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Lee
02-10-2013, 09:41 PM
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Pandora's Box: The 'Disclosure Lite' Program.

Preamble:

Over the past few years staff members here at The OutPost Forum have developed connections with an international network of individuals from several sectors within the Military Industrial Complex. We stay in touch with a number of these people we have met and become friendly with because we have interests in common, not because they can "do something for us". When news is slow, as it has been for some time now, we hope that maybe someday soon we will hear from someone that something is about to happen, or perhaps some new information about an old case. As all of us who share these interests know, the slow times seem to last forever, punctuated by a brief flurry of activity, or worse, a false alarm and then more waiting. Finally, our efforts are bearing fruit. We have been given the go ahead to exclusively reveal important information provided to us from this network of individuals regarding a new and ongoing project.

Note: We would like to make it clear that these individuals have requested anonymity - which we have agreed to honor - and we will not under any circumstances answer questions regarding the identity of our contacts. Suffice to say that we are satisfied that these individuals are in a position of responsibility with direct access to the group and program described below. We are well aware that many people will criticize the need for anonymity and perhaps even reject this information because of it. However, faced with the choice of keeping quiet or agreeing to our contacts' need for anonymity and making this important information publicly available, we chose the latter.

Background:

Our contacts have made it very clear right from the start that the basic tenets of UFO cover up history are; "...without a doubt ... absolutely and completely true." Meaning Extraterrestrial entities have visited this planet, technology and biological specimens have been recovered. Some degree of limited contact has been established and reverse engineering programs have been initiated with varying levels of success. (Specific details are unclear at this time).

The 'Disclosure Lite' Program:

According to our contacts, 'Disclosure Lite' (our term) is a new and officially sanctioned program that was initiated in 2012. Its genesis came about as a compromise between the various elements of the Government, Intelligence, Aerospace and Business communities who have been fighting over Disclosure for decades. As we all know, there have been sides taken in this battle with ultimately the anti-Disclosure group(s) managing to somewhat keep a lid on the various attempts at official release.

This compromise is then the result of several meetings concerning the subject matter in which our sources played a part and testified numerous times before the group. Interestingly, their own contact within the group is someone who is well known within private industry. (Name not provided.)

The 'Disclosure Lite' Program is designed to take selected individuals and have them talk about their personal experiences and exposure to the ET presence. They will not venture opinion as to what others may know or what the Government may be doing, but will instead keep their testimony very personal. The individuals making these statements will have their testimony pre-approved, with the timing and method of dissemination preordained by the group. By keeping it personal it is thought they will not be looked upon as whistle blowers. The specific individuals being selected are chosen because of their lack of previous involvement with the subject matter of UFOs and Extraterrestrials.

So far there have been two official public affirmations from this program:

- The first was former CIA public relations veteran Chase Brandon's statements from last year where he told of viewing a box of Roswell related material held at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection (HIC) in Langley, Virginia.

We already have a detailed thread on this topic which can be found at:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?726-The-Cryptos-Conundrum&p=11218&viewfull=1#post11218
(http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?726-The-Cryptos-Conundrum&p=11218&viewfull=1#post11218)
- Second was Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev's well publicized remarks from December last year. The reporter selected to ask Medvedev the question did not know that she was being set up to ask it but Medvedev knew it was coming and answered as he was approved to do. The situation where it was asked was an aside following an interview with five Russian television stations and was constructed in such a way that he could answer as an off the cuff remark and not get involved responding to questions from reporters.

Once again detailed information and relevant links can be found in the following dedicated thread:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1015-Alien-Invasion-confirmed-by-Russian-Prime-Minister&p=16513&viewfull=1#post16513
(http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1015-Alien-Invasion-confirmed-by-Russian-Prime-Minister&p=16513&viewfull=1#post16513)
We have been told that further statements will follow in the coming months and that these may well come from some surprisingly well known and high profile individuals.

Some Additional points of interest:

- It is people on the civilian side that are pushing for this.
- The military controls the actual hard evidence and are against official Disclosure.
- The technical people 'in the know' have nothing to lose, as they would not be hit by all of the questions and FOIA requests.
- ET as a demonic entity is a meme that was started to keep the truth hidden.
- There is a group of 3, 4 and 5-star officers who are attempting to squash this program.
- The UT basis for ET is a meme that came from them.

Afterthought:

According to Greek mythology Pandora opens her box and unleashes evil into the world, luckily for her at the very bottom is a silver lining in the form of hope. If the information presented above is accurate, and we believe it is, then the secret keepers have finally garnered enough courage to open their own version of Pandora's box, if only one small crack at a time.

As with Pandora, the contents of 'Brandon's box' - once housed at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection - can never again be hidden once revealed. It's contents will unleash, not evil into the world, but memes into the collective consciousness of humanity, causing us to reevaluate our position in the universe and perhaps our understanding of reality itself. In this modern version of the ancient Greek myth, perhaps our silver lining is the recovered technology and the potential for clean energy, gravity manipulation and faster than light travel in the not to distant future.
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theavenger
02-10-2013, 11:27 PM
Excellent. Keep it coming.

Doc
02-10-2013, 11:47 PM
Excellent. Keep it coming.

There is more to come! :cool:

CasperParks
02-11-2013, 05:21 AM
Looking forward to 'Disclosure Lite' as it progresses.

Fore
02-11-2013, 07:32 AM
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Some Additional points of interest:

- It is people on the civilian side that are pushing for this.
- The military controls the actual hard evidence and are against official Disclosure.
- The technical people 'in the know' have nothing to lose, as they would not be hit by all of the questions and FOIA requests.
- ET as a demonic entity is a meme that was started to keep the truth hidden.
- There is a group of 3, 4 and 5-star officers who are attempting to squash this program.
- The UT basis for ET is a meme that came from them.

Afterthought:

According to Greek mythology Pandora opens her box and unleashes evil into the world, luckily for her at the very bottom is a silver lining in the form of hope. If the information presented above is accurate, and we believe it is, then the secret keepers have finally garnered enough courage to open their own version of Pandora's box, if only one small crack at a time.

As with Pandora, the contents of 'Brandon's box' - once housed at the CIA's Historical Intelligence Collection - can never again be hidden once revealed. It's contents will unleash, not evil into the world, but memes into the collective consciousness of humanity, causing us to reevaluate our position in the universe and perhaps our understanding of reality itself. In this modern version of the ancient Greek myth, perhaps our silver lining is the recovered technology and the potential for clean energy, gravity manipulation and faster than light travel in the not to distant future.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGBXn4rsDbk

The "meme" the anonymous sources above are "fighting against" is even older than the government they work within. It becomes clearer each day that the ET and UT may have a common origin.

My theory is still developing and changing:

Perhaps the [fallen] UT have adapted through technology to stave off their current plight. Despite that, these former-UT are now made of [or reside] in a material body and are still at their old games. They still seem to retain some supernatural abilities from their former lives.

Is it any wonder why some of them still *cringe and malign* the UT when they hear about their UT brethren?

Imagine being an offspring / offshoot from their established other worldly genetic lines. I can only imagine what they teach their children about their downfall...hidden away in caverns and underground locations both on Earth and off it.

Their technology is their cosmic crutch and their [sometimes harvested] bodies are their cosmic limp.

I highly doubt the UT carved out a comfortable living space in our 3D material universe for them [the fallen UT] to reside in. The Earth is probably a prime real estate occupied by humanity.

It's got an immense genetic diversity to pluck genetics from and make newer longer lasting bodies. It may possibly be why they come in bodies that seem to be an amalgamation of various earthly genetics. Bird, Lizard, Mammalm feline, canine, etc... all rolled into one.

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If they descend on the capitols of the world trading their cosmic crutch for favors and space to live on they could possibly get quite a bit out of that. (<Cough> Livings spaces underground, bases and mountain habitats)

How would they explain to the leader of the Earth that they approach? Would they say, "we want some land to live on" (ala, the Tall Whites)?

Or would they frame the property exchange in some other way?

The Bible makes some references of them longing to live on the surface of the Earth. I wonder if that has something to do with their intended aim to replicate the appearances of Human beings through hybridization. If they transition away from various genetic lines and into "Humanoid" shapes and appearances then they can live on the surface of the Earth without restriction. (It may not freak us out at all, at that point)

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Then the same thing happens again as it did in the past, they inbreed until there are no original Human beings left. Except this time there won't be a Flood.

But...
Long before that the aim, the common symptom of some ET interactions is to seemingly replace history first, then the populations on Earth. They want to engage in revisionist history and they want to portray a different relationship with mankind.

Most accounts with them have usually been negative. When they are positive there is usually a theme mixed in to carry a person to a specific conclusion. Just look at the contactee phenomena for a few hours and....well...I won't color that in myself.

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My next developing theory is:
"Demons" probably originate from the mortal Hybids when they expire.

I assume the ET have a number of different genetic trees but likely all with one common origin. Not natural evolution but artificial in nature. They come from other worlds, yet if you look at their features, they have Earthly genetics.

A few incidents have even captured alien DNA. What a non-surprise it was when the results showed that they had a common genetic relationship with human beings. Even though they didn't look like one facially...but did in their body.

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I believe the originators of these genetic aberrations "in space" probably practiced over a long period of time the mixing genetics until they got a stable genetic root. I speculate that the originators are probably immortal in some sense. They themselves probably wear a body until it is aged and then switch to another brand new one. [wild speculation though] Like a person switching from a used vehicle to a newer one.

Whatever was in it originally, just gets torn out and thrown away. (who knows?)

The offshoot births of these experimental genetics are probably the mortal class of ET. They were born, and they eventually die. When they reproduce in number it appears (in my theory at least) that they are from "a distant world" because they share similar appearances. These mortal ET probably carry on the lie with a clear intention. To claim all sorts of thing about an unearthly origin.

Perhaps this is the true reason why ETs usually lie or omit where it is they are from. And when they do, they usually pick a close constellation somewhere.

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My theory holds that when these mortal ET die,

Their offshoot spiritual constitution isn't accepted into the Utopia/Eternity where the UT reside. They aren't recognized as legitimate [sanctioned] creations according to the Bible. Perhaps this is why some ET accounts are very biased against God.

So once the Hyrbids die, they spiritually wander around forever. No peace, only decay, with resentment and all manner of bad spiritual mojo.

Perhaps this is the connection between the Hybrids of yesterday and those of Today. The same activity by the same originators, the same display of technology and application of intent and the various supernatural attributes associated in those activities.

Garuda
02-11-2013, 08:41 AM
@Fore

The way I read, or rather interpret, those two statements, is that the ideas that all ETs are demons or all ETs are UTs are memes.

Robert_Fay
02-11-2013, 10:51 AM
Probable most readers here will be upset with this. If so, it is unintended.

It goes contrary to what most of us have been taught to presume is the direction we are going with this timeline and illusion.

It is offered here in the spirit of providing information, not to pick a fight or generate consternation in the reader.

Answer Planet PROLOGUE (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/category/answer-planet-prologue/)
~ Recognize and REMEMBER {please} that you do "Get Your Free Beer"
http://eductivefuturegroup.com/category/answer-planet-prologue/


924 (http://louisdietvorst.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/within-and-without-the-universe-its-the-same/)

A99
02-11-2013, 01:31 PM
Can't wait to see how all of this evolves Lee! It sounds very exciting!

Doc
02-11-2013, 03:14 PM
@Fore

The way I read, or rather interpret, those two statements, is that the ideas that all ETs are demons or all ETs are UTs are memes.

My take on it, from this source and others, is that the people who opposed disclosure used the UT Meme as a distraction; part disinformation and part deterrent. Pretty clever, acually. They reasoned that by encouraging the UT hypothesis they could confuse a segment of researchers and the public. They also figured that the idea of demons would scare off some of the public, particularly religious people, and that UTs would sound ridiculous to others. This makes no judgement about validity of the UT Meme, it just describes the use that they made of it.

Edit to add: The language we used could be interpreted to mean that the UT Meme was made up by the PtB and disseminated by them to cause confusion. I didn't see it that way. I thought it meant that when the idea emerged they saw it as an opportunity and promoted the meme. Maybe we can get that clarified or perhaps there is already information out there that would lend support to one or the other version.

ScaRZ
02-11-2013, 03:23 PM
"Fore" you and I think much alike.

I will be keeping an eye on this. Some interesting times ahead with escalated battles coming from many directions. What will be lies? What will be truths?
The wings of truth will never be revealed where the most popular words roost.

A99
02-11-2013, 03:50 PM
@Doc
The source wants you to believe everything he said was in the spirit of sarcasm but in actuality this source selectively uses the UT and anything else meme as demons to serve his own ends when it suits him.

Chris
02-11-2013, 03:50 PM
My take on it, from this source and others, is that the people who opposed disclosure used the UT Meme as a distraction; part disinformation and part deterrent. Pretty clever, acually. They reasoned that by encouraging the UT hypothesis they could confuse a segment of researchers and the public. They also figured that the idea of demons would scare off some of the public, particularly religious people, and that UTs would sound ridiculous to others. This makes no judgement about validity of the UT Meme, it just describes the use that they made of it.

Exactly, Doc! I was in the middle of trying to craft a similar response but I could not have said it any better!

Doc
02-11-2013, 04:16 PM
@Doc
The source wants you to believe everything he said was in the spirit of sarcasm but in actuality this source selectively uses the UT and anything else meme as demons to serve his own ends when it suits him.

I think you have it right. They may not use sarcasm so frequently but people at that level develop a style of communicating in which they say and don't say something at the same time, leaving you to fill in the blanks or to come to the conclusion they want you to reach, which can come across as sarcasm or "kidding on the square". After a while you get pretty good at filling in the blanks--but it always leaves you with some uncertainty. Wondering, did I get that right? Is he telling me the truth? That leaves plausible deniability open if needed later and leaves the door open for the source to revise details later as needed. Clever.

CasperParks
02-11-2013, 05:47 PM
This is an important event on several levels.


Feb. 11, 2013 From ABC News:

Pope Benedict XVI announced today that he will resign Feb. 28, saying his role requires "both strength of mind and body."

The pope's decision makes him the first pontiff to resign in nearly 600 years. A conclave to elect a new pope will take place before the end of March. The 85-year-old pope announced the decision to resign in Latin during a meeting of Vatican cardinals. Read more at: ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/International/pope-benedict-xvi-resign/story?id=18462811)

With Disclosure around the corner, a changing of Popes was expected.

Expect the new pope to be charismatic. He will be power at the Vatican when Disclosure takes-place, and prepared to explain their version of how alien life effects their religion.

Around the corner, meaning months or years leading up to Disclosure.


The Catholic Church has been preparing the ground for Disclosure for some time. Apparently, they do not intend to be left behind or made irrelevant by Disclosure. They may be putting themselves in the forefront of religious response to any serious Disclosure, no matter how big or small.

Doc,

I agree, they do not intend to be left out of it.

Changing of the Guard is not a coincidence.

Fore
02-11-2013, 08:13 PM
My take on it, from this source and others, is that the people who opposed disclosure used the UT Meme as a distraction; part disinformation and part deterrent. Pretty clever, acually. The only problem with this of course is that, in reality, the ET have said this in many face to face accounts. It predates the sources by a long shot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvBiH29QE7Q

The modern day accounts are somewhat the same, somewhat different than the historial ones. The theme remains fairly constant. The further back you go, the less ambiguous the statements are.

This is an agenda that comes from several ET factions over many years. Even before these men or women were born. The ET even seeded completely contradictory themes into the minds of those they meet. Usually the only consistency is the fact that they want to rewrite the historical notions establish on Earth.

And when some of the ET accounts do give credence to Earthly notions, they weave themselves as the figures of importance within those themes. Everything from claiming themselves to being Jesus to some obscure "god" (by precise name) in the Middle East.

Some abductees and contactees are even filled with symbolism, numbers and mental markers. All this across distant places and distant time frames. Mention "Horus" or the "Law of One" (small examples) and you are likely to find more than one contactee with a subconscious connection to such imagery. The worse part is, they don't usually know why.

In my group the symbolisms were numbers and Triangular shapes. Is it really a surprise that the pyramids sprang forth thousands of years ago all over the world? Monolythic multi-million ton formations across many cultures worshiping (yes worshiping) the intelligent "gods" who taught them all about farming, harvesting, finances, mining, culture and weaponry.

The last pyramid to go up was in South/Central America a couple hundred years ago. Again, with similar traditions. Not one of ET to Human relationships. But a relationship of Men to "gods".

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I don't really understand the angle these sources are presenting. As soon as a number of ET factions reveal themselves the whole claim will just be smack in the middle of human affairs.

So, I don't get it. What are the anonymous sources up to?

It will be interesting to hear what they supposedly have to reveal. The opening shots though are something worth worrying about. (IMO)


They reasoned that by encouraging the UT hypothesis they could confuse a segment of researchers and the public. They also figured that the idea of demons would scare off some of the public, particularly religious people, and that UTs would sound ridiculous to others. This makes no judgement about validity of the UT Meme, it just describes the use that they made of it. Kinda strange, people usually like the occult.

The religious (at least the Abraham descended types) are going to be utterly suspicious regardless of what clothing they put on.

I'll personally give them a chance to say whatever though. It'll be interesting...


Edit to add: The language we used could be interpreted to mean that the UT Meme was made up by the PtB and disseminated by them to cause confusion. I didn't see it that way. I thought it meant that when the idea emerged they saw it as an opportunity and promoted the meme. Maybe we can get that clarified or perhaps there is already information out there that would lend support to one or the other version.A clarification would be appreciated cause I am eyeing the lot in a very suspicious way.

0.o?

Chris
02-11-2013, 08:31 PM
The tone and tenor of the information we received this time is very different from what has been disclosed in the past in that it was very unambiguous. And those passing this along have done so in a manner consistent with the "Disclosure-Lite" program in that no one has said anything beyond what their own experiences have been in this.

So no fantastical stories - just "I was at this meeting and this is what was said and this is what individuals have said in their presence" type of messages.

Fore
02-11-2013, 09:20 PM
Then I am personally eager to hear what they personally recount hearing.

Hopefully it is eye opening.

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P.S. They aren't the Avairy I hope! (I forgot how to spell their name.)

newyorklily
02-11-2013, 10:05 PM
This is an important event on several levels.



With Disclosure around the corner, a changing of Popes was expected.

Expect the new pope to be charismatic. He will be power at the Vatican when Disclosure takes-place, and prepared to explain their version of how alien life effects their religion.

Around the corner, meaning months or years leading up to Disclosure.



Doc,

I agree, they do not intend to be left out of it.

Changing of the Guard is not a coincidence.

One of the things about the next Pope is that he is supposed to be the last Pope. Many over the centuries have predicted this, the most well known being St. Malachy. http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm

I wonder how this ties in with Disclosure.

Dragonfire
02-11-2013, 11:04 PM
Hopefully as this plays out, everything will become clearer. Last Pope, yeah just like the 12/21/12 ;)

Only a new beginning :biggrin2:

newyorklily
02-11-2013, 11:05 PM
What makes the Pope's resignation even stranger was that he announced it in Latin. According to The Telegraph, his Cardinals didn't even know what he was doing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9863684/Pope-Benedict-XVI-resigns-Softly-spoken-in-Latin-the-resignation-that-shocked-the-world.html


Due to his choice of Latin, and because of the enormity of what he was saying, several of the 50 cardinals arranged around him on the marble floor did not understand what he was telling them.

It appears that the Pope did not consult with them first which I find very unusual.

CasperParks
02-12-2013, 12:02 AM
The tone and tenor of the information we received this time is very different from what has been disclosed in the past in that it was very unambiguous. And those passing this along have done so in a manner consistent with the "Disclosure-Lite" program in that no one has said anything beyond what their own experiences have been in this.

So no fantastical stories - just "I was at this meeting and this is what was said and this is what individuals have said in their presence" type of messages.

Whatever surfaces over time, Disclosure will be a wild ride.

:cool:

epo333
02-12-2013, 02:50 AM
One of the things about the next Pope is that he is supposed to be the last Pope. Many over the centuries have predicted this, the most well known being St. Malachy. http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm

I wonder how this ties in with Disclosure.

It is widely believed that the last pope of the Catholic Church will succeed Pope Benedict XVI. Many people believe that we are in "the end times." That the signs are all around us. St. Malachy, (d. 1148) Irish Bishop and Seer, produced an accurate list of future popes which began with Pope Celestine II in the year 1143. His list consists of a single line which gives a clue to the characteristics of each pope. From this list of 112 popes there is to be just one more after Pope Benedict XVI. His predictions regarding the popes have been for the most part pretty accurate regarding the identifying characteristics that each line reveals. St. Malachy doesn't give any predictions or information about what happens after the last pope. However, according to other seers, we will have arrived at the end times.

Note:
111. The next pope (The glory of the olive) chosen on April 19, 2005, was Cardinal Ratzinger, the favorite to win. He will be known as Benedict XVI.

In the future (?)

112. The LAST POPE!
(Peter the Roman) "In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge the people. The End."


http://j.l.navarro.tripod.com/jlnavarro/id18.html

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IMHO, This event of the Pope retiring does seem timely, along with the many other worldly events saturating us on a daily bases.

We can hardly keep up. Ison comet arriving this year (a bad omen in ancient times), teetering economy, crushing of the Bill of Rights in the USA, devastating weather activities around the world, increased Earthquakes in numbers and strengths. Slaughter of babies in schools, etc,etc...

Disclosure can't happen soon enough...!

Fore
02-12-2013, 04:08 AM
"Fore" you and I think much alike.

I will be keeping an eye on this. Some interesting times ahead with escalated battles coming from many directions. What will be lies? What will be truths?
The wings of truth will never be revealed where the most popular words roost.Hi Scarz, sorry I have yet to join up. I just don't have much time on my hands these days.

Your words, as always, are far more interesting than that of Insiders. :)

I just heard that the pope resign. Interesting...

@ Epo

Watch out, out of the frying pan and into the fire.

montalk
02-12-2013, 09:03 AM
We have been told that further statements will follow in the coming months and that these may well come from some surprisingly well known and high profile individuals.


So these methods of release will mostly be external to The Outpost Forum, as in mainstream news, book releases, etc. as has been the case with Medvedev and Chase, correct? And this thread here will mainly be about spotting and discussing these statements, which will be showing up elsewhere? Or will some of these insiders show up here to tell their story? If that can't be answered, then take it as a rhetorical question. Because I wonder if there's any overlap between this, and the Source "A", Serpo, or Drone sagas from a couple years ago.

Lee
02-12-2013, 11:20 AM
That's right. Those further statements will be appear in the mainstream media. This thread will be used to discuss those statements.

I doubt we will see any program insiders here, but you never know.

I do feel that Serpo and the drones might well have been semi official programs too, personally, but as far as contacts go, no relation. As for source A, and this is just my personal opinion, I think he was just a pathological liar.

A99
02-12-2013, 02:32 PM
I think Ratzinger deserves a rest because he was after all de facto pope during the last part of Pope John Paul’s reign.
But let’s back up

In Malachy’s list, thecurrent pope (#111) is called “Glory of the Olive”. And “in the originalprinting of Lignum Vitae the following line “In the extreme persecutionof the Holy Roman Church, there will sit”appears as a separate paragraphimmediately below Gloria oliuæ”
source: wiki
Of course, I don’t even haveto go into how persecuted the Church has been over these last couple of decadesdue to all of those child abuse scandals. Never before has the Church been aspersecuted as it is right now due to those scandals. So Malachy is once againshowing us just how prescient he was when he named the current pope the name hedid. The Church indeed at this time in history was forced to hand out an olivebranch to the world with promises of change and justice for all of the abused.

Many years prior to whenRatzinger came to the throne of Peter, people were making speculations thatpope #111 would be from the order of Benedictines that uses olive branches intheir crest. And lo and behold, when Ratzinger was elected pope, he chose to benamed after St. Benedict, the founder of that order.

I am absolutely certain thatRatzinger, who didn’t even want the position but was elected anyway to it, didnot choose that name in isolation and in fact chose it to conform to Malachy’spope list. So what does this tell us? It tells us that he chose that name as avery strong message to us that he knew that it will be his job to extend anolive branch to the world and express the Church’s request for forgiveness witha promise that such child abuse atrocities will never happen again.

But on another level, there’sthe second message that he broadcasted to the world when he chose to conform toMalachy’s pope list too and that is that pope number #111 will, in fact be, thesecond last pope on that list and that he knows that these are the last days ofthe Church -- and he wants us to know that too. That he will be the second lastpope before the Church’s demise which will occur during the reign of the nextelected Pope.

So the next question is, whatdoes Ratzinger know that we don’t? Well,whatever it is that he knows, it must be a real doozy because here we have asuper conservative pope who didn’t dare initate any changes to the rules of thechurch who just so happens to now be the first pope in 600 years to resign? Ofcourse, they want us to believe that Ratzinger chose to do that on his ownaccord. But, once again, because this would be the last pope in the world whowould ever introduce something new or do something different to deviate in anyway from the Church’s long standing traditions, we know that something else isgoing on here. All popes grow old in office and when they get to the pointwhere they can no longer perform their duties, a de facto pope instead performsthose duties for him and even shows up in place of him in public when that’snecessary. No big deal, it’s happened at the end of every papacy throughout thebeginning of the Church. So we know that Ratzinger didn’t resign just becausehe’s feeling too old to function on a daily basis as pope. Ratzinger is not a popethat would change tradition and resign; especially one that initiated a conservative revolution in the Church! So it's extremely out of character for someone like him to break with tradition and resign. This tells us that something else is going on now.

So yes, there has to besomething else that the public does not know about yet that the Church knowsabout. Ratzinger either doesn’t want tobe around when the public finally finds out about it (which I strongly doubt)or his way of dealing with whatever issues are coming up are not in agreementwith those who are running the show behind the scenes. So for that reason theyforced Ratzinger to resign.

In closing, I found thefollowing 2005 Rense article veryinteresting and this includes a comment made by someone at the bottom of thatpage:


Did St. Malachi's Prophecy

Score Again With New Pope?
From J.D
4-19-5

With the election of the newPope...has anyone drawn your attention to the Prophecies of St. Malachi?

St. Malachi, the 12th centuryIrish bishop, who in a vision saw the names of all of the Popes from his ownday until the end of the Catholic Church. Exactly 112 of them. Some of his"names" have been intriguingly accurate. See the page http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1351430/postsfor some examples.

According to Malachi, PopeJohn Paul II was the second-from-last Pope. The newly-elected Pope Benedict XVIis the next to last; the Pope following him will be the final Pope, who willoversee the destruction of the Church.

For the current Pope, Malachisaw the name "Gloria Olivae" -- the Glory of the Olive -- andpredicted that he would be a member of the BENEDICTINE order.

Is the new Pope Benedict aBenedictine? Or does Malachi score points just for getting the"Benedict" part right?

Interestingly enough, GloriaOlivae is supposedly the one known in John's Revelations as "the greatdeceiver". The one who prepares the way for the Antichrist, the finaldestroyer of the Church. The Antichrist, per Malichi, is the next Pope, wholike the first will be named Peter.


Comment
Fom Jean B.
Dear JD

I'm wondering where you foundyour piece of information to conclude so easily that this Pope is the onedesigned to preparing the way for the Antichrist and the next one is theAntichrist in your comment "Did St. Malachi's Prophecy Score Again WithNew Pope?".

Since you refer to SaintMalachy, here is the another comment you could find at the following URL:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/4/3/180901.shtml

"The 111th prophecy is"Gloria Olivae" (The Glory of the Olive). The meaning of the olive isunclear. The Order of Saint Benedict ? not St. Malachy ? has claimed that thispope will come from its ranks and Saint Benedict himself prophesied that beforethe end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantlylead the Catholic Church in its final fight against evil. The 112th prophecysays, "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reignPetrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid manytribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and thedreadful Judge will judge the people."

The "last" Poperefered to in the Scriptures is never said to be one of these two described inSaint Malachy's prophecy. It may rather be the next one, or one who shallpersecute "Peter the Roman", and not a regularly elected Pope. Itshall be an usurper who shall seat on the throne of Peter by fraud notaccording to the rules of the Church. In other prophecies he is designated asthe one who shall come and change the laws of the Church.

Jean B.

ScaRZ
02-12-2013, 03:09 PM
Hi Scarz, sorry I have yet to join up. I just don't have much time on my hands these days.

Your words, as always, are far more interesting than that of Insiders. :)

I just heard that the pope resign. Interesting...



I understand "Fore". I guess I will need to visit here more often. I will try and find some of the threads you post in and toss a few comments at you.

The Pope stepping down really isn't a surprise to me. Insiders at The Vatican have been talking about this occurring for some time now.


I'm glad this will be The Thread for discussing the "Disclosure Lite" information. That way it will be easy to follow. Sounds like there will be no asking questions and receiving any answers from those doing the very lite disclosure. I guess all we will be are reaction students. Onlookers viewing our responses to a very lite disclosure......"Piece by piece".

newyorklily
02-12-2013, 03:32 PM
This article about Brad Bird's Tomorrowland movie, has been circulating on Facebook recently. http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2013/02/07/is-brad-bird-s-quot-tomorrowland-quot-movie-about-that-quot-ufos-are-real-quot-tv-show-that-walt-disney-productions-almost-made-back-in-the-1950s.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Jimhillmediacom+%28JimHillMed ia.com%29#.URpN2h37JrX

The box in it, is very reminiscent of Chase Brandon's box.

Doc
02-12-2013, 05:35 PM
This article about Brad Bird's Tomorrowland movie, has been circulating on Facebook recently. http://jimhillmedia.com/editor_in_chief1/b/jim_hill/archive/2013/02/07/is-brad-bird-s-quot-tomorrowland-quot-movie-about-that-quot-ufos-are-real-quot-tv-show-that-walt-disney-productions-almost-made-back-in-the-1950s.aspx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Jimhillmediacom+%28JimHillMed ia.com%29#.URpN2h37JrX

The box in it, is very reminiscent of Chase Brandon's box.

This article is a very thorough discussion of when Walt Disney was approached by the US Military to produce a feature that would introduce viewers to UFO and Extraterrestrial Reality. There are many details included, more than I have seen anywhere before this. Many people think this was a first attempt at Disclosure, shut down when the PtB decided not to go through with it. While debunkers say this is a mundane event spun up to dramatize reality, no one has ever proved the story to be untrue. The part that intrigues me the most is that all the principal participants are identified, real people who actually had the positions the were said to have at the time. Some of the key people told the story consistently for decades afterward.

earthman
02-12-2013, 06:34 PM
Disney made on a while back that was only seen in a few states, then takin down. Dick Criswell sent me the dvd back when he was still alive. It's now on youtube. Should check it out, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DHunekX1xPw

earthman

Doc
02-12-2013, 06:54 PM
Thanks, Earthman. I look forward to watching it when I get back from work this afternoon.

whoknows
02-12-2013, 07:51 PM
A few things I can’t help but thinking.

One is the likelihood of much deception surrounding any kind of “disclosure.” I think there is major amount of diversity in what is expected to be disclosed . I have to ask are "ET’s, UT’s, or Demons” what is being disclosed or are they just players? What is our relationship to these, what's our part in all of this?

Another thought I find hazardous is getting tied up into supposed certainties connected with any kind of dogma. In other words thinking that any group that over time has acquired “the answer” is a danger… We are all seekers and hold truths that are subject to subjective points of view that can be definitive for personal point of view, but overall .? And as we all know we are subject to change as we learn more and our once “truths” become something new.

“Truth” LOL I think we are all in for a lot of surprises. I know one thing though, whatever I find disclosed to be will only be an addendum to who I am becoming, it will not define me.

Sorry if I am seeming redundant or pedantic , saying thing out loud often helps me refine and redefine thought.

Love is the only immutable truth I have ever found!

newyorklily
02-12-2013, 08:00 PM
Disney made on a while back that was only seen in a few states, then takin down. Dick Criswell sent me the dvd back when he was still alive. It's now on youtube. Should check it out, here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DHunekX1xPw

earthman

Thank you, earthman. I remember watching this a couple of years ago. Robert Urich does the narration for this one and I was a big Robert Urich fan back in the day. Some of you might remember him from the TV show Spenser: For Hire.

There are some interesting coincidences with this. The film was made in 1995. In 1996, Robert Urich found he had a rare form of cancer called synovial cell sarcoma. He fought it and was declared cancer free in 1998 but then in 2001, the cancer returned. He died from it in 2002 at the age of 55.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Urich

Synovial cell sarcoma usually occurs in people 30 and under. Urich was about 50 years old when he was diagnosed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synovial_sarcoma

Robert Urich wasn't new as an actor in this field. He played a retired New York cop visiting a Colorado town plagued by cattle mutilations, in the 1982 movie Endangered Species. In this movie, the government was responsible for the cattle deaths. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083885/

montalk
02-13-2013, 03:23 AM
I really look forward to what statements these insiders will be making. I don't care about the identities of the people behind it. That's not as important as what the statements themselves reveal about the motivations of this group and the groups behind them. What direction is the audience being nudged toward? What's said versus avoided? What's being highlighted versus belittled? Whom would that serve? Why? Reverse engineering these releases will help us get a "fix" on the current endgame trajectory.

earthman
02-13-2013, 07:30 AM
I bet main stream media will just play any thing to do with UFO's or Alien's as nothing more then goofy statements on the laughable subject of UFO's. They will just bring in Bill Nye the Science Guy to just say they are all nuts. What happened when the sixth man to walk on the moon stood up on this. A Big Nothing. He deserved more then that. That is one that just eat's me raw. Edger Mitchell is a hero. And he is made out as stupid or worse because of this subject. It's going to take someone like President Bill Clinton to come out on this. And even then, Bill Nye will say it must be his medication, he is delousinal, Hillirary must have beat him in the head. The Media must come clean on this before anyone will ever believe anything on the subject. I know there is no questions to be asked on this but find out how the media is going to handle this, because they will play a big part in this no matter who comes out on this.

earthman

Doc
02-13-2013, 08:13 AM
I bet main stream media will just play any thing to do with UFO's or Alien's as nothing more then goofy statements on the laughable subject of UFO's. They will just bring in Bill Nye the Science Guy to just say they are all nuts. What happened when the sixth man to walk on the moon stood up on this. A Big Nothing. He deserved more then that. That is one that just eat's me raw. Edger Mitchell is a hero. And he is made out as stupid or worse because of this subject. It's going to take someone like President Bill Clinton to come out on this. And even then, Bill Nye will say it must be his medication, he is delousinal, Hillirary must have beat him in the head. The Media must come clean on this before anyone will ever believe anything on the subject. I know there is no questions to be asked on this but find out how the media is going to handle this, because they will play a big part in this no matter who comes out on this.

earthman

In time more specifics will come out but based on what I have heard so far, events like the Russian Prime Minister's press conference are designed in part to neutralize the media effect due to the unexpected nature of their announcements. If the people who follow, telling about their personal involvement, are big enough names and enough of them come forward...well that should produce different results. There will be more said about this as things develop.

Robert_Fay
02-13-2013, 11:36 AM
Can anyone verify this?

Pope Benedict resigned to avoid arrest, seizure of church wealth by Easter (http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/)

Posted on February 13, 2013 by itccs
[ http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/ ]

Diplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation

New Pope and Catholic clergy face indictment and arrest as "Easter Reclamation" plan continues

A Global Media Release and Statement from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State


Brussels:

The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.
The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.

Issued 13 February, 2013
12:00 am GMT
by the Brussels Central Office

Garuda
02-13-2013, 02:01 PM
Can anyone verify this?

Pope Benedict resigned to avoid arrest, seizure of church wealth by Easter (http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/)

Posted on February 13, 2013 by itccs
[ http://itccs.org/2013/02/13/pope-benedict-resigned-to-avoid-arrest-seizure-of-church-wealth-by-easter/ ]

Diplomatic Note was issued to Vatican just prior to his resignation

New Pope and Catholic clergy face indictment and arrest as "Easter Reclamation" plan continues

A Global Media Release and Statement from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State


Brussels:

The historically unprecedented resignation of Joseph Ratzinger as Pope this week was compelled by an upcoming action by a European government to issue an arrest warrant against Ratzinger and a public lien against Vatican property and assets by Easter.
The ITCCS Central Office in Brussels is compelled by Pope Benedict's sudden abdication to disclose the following details:

1. On Friday, February 1, 2013, on the basis of evidence supplied by our affiliated Common Law Court of Justice (itccs.org), our Office concluded an agreement with representatives of a European nation and its courts to secure an arrest warrant against Joseph Ratzinger, aka Pope Benedict, for crimes against humanity and ordering a criminal conspiracy.

2. This arrest warrant was to be delivered to the office of the "Holy See" in Rome on Friday, February 15, 2013. It allowed the nation in question to detain Ratzinger as a suspect in a crime if he entered its sovereign territory.

3. A diplomatic note was issued by the said nation's government to the Vatican's Secretary of State, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, on Monday, February 4, 2013, informing Bertone of the impending arrest warrant and inviting his office to comply. No reply to this note was received from Cardinal Bertone or his office; but six days later, Pope Benedict resigned.

4. The agreement between our Tribunal and the said nation included a second provision to issue a commercial lien through that nation's courts against the property and wealth of the Roman Catholic church commencing on Easter Sunday, March 31, 2013. This lien was to be accompanied by a public and global "Easter Reclamation Campaign" whereby Catholic church property was to be occupied and claimed by citizens as public assets forfeited under international law and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.

5. It is the decision of our Tribunal and the said nation's government to proceed with the arrest of Joseph Ratzinger upon his vacating the office of the Roman Pontiff on a charge of crimes against humanity and criminal conspiracy.

6. It is our further decision to proceed as well with the indictment and arrest of Joseph Ratzinger's successor as Pope on the same charges; and to enforce the commercial lien and "Easter Reclamation Campaign" against the Roman Catholic church, as planned.

In closing, our Tribunal acknowledges that Pope Benedict's complicity in criminal activities of the Vatican Bank (IOR) was compelling his eventual dismissal by the highest officials of the Vatican. But according to our sources, Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone forced Joseph Ratzinger's resignation immediately, and in direct response to the diplomatic note concerning the arrest warrant that was issued to him by the said nation's government on February 4, 2013.

We call upon all citizens and governments to assist our efforts to legally and directly disestablish the Vatican, Inc. and arrest its chief officers and clergy who are complicit in crimes against humanity and the ongoing criminal conspiracy to aid and protect child torture and trafficking.

Further bulletins on the events of the Easter Reclamation Campaign will be issued by our Office this week.

Issued 13 February, 2013
12:00 am GMT
by the Brussels Central Office


It's nonsense as what is described is simply not possible under current international law.

Doc
02-13-2013, 03:24 PM
It's nonsense as what is described is simply not possible under current international law.

Who could even enforce or execute such a warrant?

ProblemChild
02-13-2013, 04:41 PM
Who could even enforce or execute such a warrant?

Google itccs.org and Kevin Annet.

And this for starters:http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/07/05/still-not-convinced-kevin-annett-jason-bowman-are-lying-ive-got-more/

Doc
02-13-2013, 05:24 PM
Google itccs.org and Kevin Annet.

And this for starters:http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/07/05/still-not-convinced-kevin-annett-jason-bowman-are-lying-ive-got-more/

Thanks! The citations of the laws and the letter from the Pope's attorneys pretty much debunk the whole thing.

earthman
02-13-2013, 06:27 PM
The Vatican is a country in it self and there would be no way' even if there was a warrant that a Pope would be handed over. Some people will believe anything, lol. Sure, all the child molestation by the church is out of control but the Pope surely is not responcable for that.

Earthman

Doc
02-13-2013, 06:46 PM
The Vatican is a country in it self and there would be no way' even if there was a warrant that a Pope would be handed over. Some people will believe anything, lol. Sure, all the child molestation by the church is out of control but the Pope surely is not responcable for that.

Earthman

Apparently the organization supposedly issuing the arrest warrant operates out of somebody's kitchen. See Problem Child's link:

http://www.genuinewitty.com/2012/07/05/still-not-convinced-kevin-annett-jason-bowman-are-lying-ive-got-more/

earthman
02-13-2013, 06:57 PM
Kitchen deplomacy, signed by the microwave and washed in the sink, lol. Bunch of idiots aren't they? Shame this stuff even gets out.

Earthman

Lee
02-13-2013, 09:09 PM
We received some feedback via an email list, which is worth sharing here:

"there are NO 5-star officers in today's active military services. the rank, also known as
General of the Army, was worn temporarily during WW II by Marshall, MacArthur, Eisenhower,
and Bradley, but hasn't been conferred since. (this gaff alone sprinkles salt on the entire article for me.)
-- Bob Reid."

Our response:

"Note that Medvedev was the second individual to make a public statement on behalf of 'The program', this strongly implies that "The group" referenced is international, not just US military.

From wiki:

"Five-star rank is a now widely-used term derived from the United States military description for a general or admiral whose badge of rank is designated by five stars.[1] The rank is that of the most senior operational military commanders, and within NATO the rank is designated by the code OF-10.

Not all armed forces have such a rank, and in those that do the actual insignia of the "five-star ranks" may not contain five stars. For example: the insignia for the French OF-10 rank maréchal de france contains 7 stars; the insignia for the Portuguese marechal contains four gold stars; and many of the insignia of the ranks in Commonwealth of Nations contain no stars at all.

Typically, five-star officers hold the rank of General of the Army, Admiral of the fleet, Grand admiral, Field marshal, Generalfeldmarschall, Marshal of the Air Force, General of the Air Force, and several other similarly named ranks. Five-star ranks are extremely senior - usually the highest ranks - and thus are very rare; as an active rank, the position exists only in a minority of countries and is usually held by only a very few officers during wartime. In times of peace, it is usually held only as a ceremonial rank.

Despite the rarity and seniority of five-star officers, the leadership of some countries have felt the requirement to propose, and in some cases to adopt, even more senior ranks such as generalissimo, generalissimus, reichsmarschall, first marshal of the empire, General of the Armies, etc. These ranks are summarized in the highest military ranks article." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-star_rank

calikid
02-13-2013, 09:57 PM
We received some feedback via an email list, which is worth sharing here:

"there are NO 5-star officers in today's active military services. the rank, also known as
General of the Army, was worn temporarily during WW II by Marshall, MacArthur, Eisenhower,
and Bradley, but hasn't been conferred since. (this gaff alone sprinkles salt on the entire article for me.)
-- Bob Reid."

Our response:

"Note that Medvedev was the second individual to make a public statement on behalf of 'The program', this strongly implies that "The group" referenced is international, not just US military.

From wiki:

"Five-star rank is a now widely-used term derived from the United States military description for a general or admiral whose badge of rank is designated by five stars.[1] The rank is that of the most senior operational military commanders, and within NATO the rank is designated by the code OF-10.

Not all armed forces have such a rank, and in those that do the actual insignia of the "five-star ranks" may not contain five stars. For example: the insignia for the French OF-10 rank maréchal de france contains 7 stars; the insignia for the Portuguese marechal contains four gold stars; and many of the insignia of the ranks in Commonwealth of Nations contain no stars at all.

Typically, five-star officers hold the rank of General of the Army, Admiral of the fleet, Grand admiral, Field marshal, Generalfeldmarschall, Marshal of the Air Force, General of the Air Force, and several other similarly named ranks. Five-star ranks are extremely senior - usually the highest ranks - and thus are very rare; as an active rank, the position exists only in a minority of countries and is usually held by only a very few officers during wartime. In times of peace, it is usually held only as a ceremonial rank.

Despite the rarity and seniority of five-star officers, the leadership of some countries have felt the requirement to propose, and in some cases to adopt, even more senior ranks such as generalissimo, generalissimus, reichsmarschall, first marshal of the empire, General of the Armies, etc. These ranks are summarized in the highest military ranks article." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-star_rank

That fact caught my eye earlier as well.
Am I reading your reply correctly?

Paraphrased/Summarized: Maybe not currently in the US, but not all members are necessarily from the US Military.

Lee
02-13-2013, 10:24 PM
That's right. It's also quite possible that people from intelligence or aerospace circles may still use the term when refering to very high level military officers.

Chris
02-14-2013, 12:04 AM
That's right. It's also quite possible that people from intelligence or aerospace circles may still use the term when refering to very high level military officers.
The statement was made by an individual referencing the highest ranking officers in the military and a way to underscore that there is a division between what the military wants to do (nothing) and what those of the science, technology and intelligence arenas want to do (disclose).

calikid
02-14-2013, 04:01 PM
The statement was made by an individual referencing the highest ranking officers in the military and a way to underscore that there is a division between what the military wants to do (nothing) and what those of the science, technology and intelligence arenas want to do (disclose).

Cannot help but wonder what our world would look like today if those same Military types had classified Einstein's 1905 papers.
After all, keeping the people in the Dark Ages would be much safer.

The leap in technology that Disclosure would provide could free mankind to even greater achievements.
If only the power brokers can overcome their fears, and look forward to the benefits for mankind.
Let's hope the Disclosure Lite Program puts us on the right path.

earthman
02-14-2013, 04:35 PM
One word, Big Oil... What will happen when oil is all of a sudden not needed as much? Country's that depend on oil as there only source of income, will fall. Saudia Arabia, oil is almost all of there GNP. I think that is one of the big stickler's as to why this has not come to light yet. I'm sure that they have had a say in this for a while. These countrys will have to find a new income, like making glass, all that sand they have. Coal also. I'm not sure how this could be handled.

Earthman

Doc
02-14-2013, 05:04 PM
The statement was made by an individual referencing the highest ranking officers in the military and a way to underscore that there is a division between what the military wants to do (nothing) and what those of the science, technology and intelligence arenas want to do (disclose).

My take on this point was that the mention of '3-4 5- star officers' trying to squash the Disclosure Lite Program was to point out that the powers for and against disclosure had changed. Formerly, it was two factions within Intel (the White Hats and the Black Hats) that were in opposition to each other over disclosure. I don't know what the significance of that is beyond the fact that having control of the hardware makes the military a powerful opposing force to any convincing disclosure.

The second conclusion I drew from this change in the forces for and against disclosure is that the Disclosure Lite program is meant in part to be a work-around to neutralize the resistance. If the revelations are kept to individuals telling about their personal involvement with ET presence 1) No one can stop the individual from doing it. Once it is done, the powers in opposition are left reacting to an event that has the headlines already. 2) Individuals would not be subject to FOIA requests, meaning the control of the flow of information remains in the hands of the disclosure program. No one can use the power of the courts to force the individual to release more information or to widen the focus of his revelations. Once the horse leaves the barn all you can do is chase the horse, you can't make it not to have happened. Fait Accompli - Pandora's Box

Doc
02-15-2013, 07:44 AM
Here is video of Dimitry Medvedev's statements with English subtitles. The reporter had been given the question in advance to ask at the end of the interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo

Text: Along with the briefcase with nuclear codes, the president of the country is given a special 'top secret' folder. This folder in its entirety contains information about aliens who visited our planet… Along with this, you are given a report of the absolutely secret special service that exercises control over aliens on the territory of our country… More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called Men In Black… I will not tell you how many of them are among us because it may cause panic.

Doc
02-15-2013, 07:48 AM
The Russian documentary film Men in black that Dimitry Medvedev refers to in his statement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrjXmDlAYzo

ProblemChild
02-15-2013, 10:18 AM
Hi Doc, Where did you get the information that the reporter was given the question in advance? Can we be sure that he was referring to the documentry above or the Will Smith MIB films?

Doc
02-15-2013, 01:54 PM
Hi Doc, Where did you get the information that the reporter was given the question in advance? Can we be sure that he was referring to the documentry above or the Will Smith MIB films?

The first report I read about Medvedev's comments back in December said the reporter was told to ask the question but not what the answer would be. A source close to disclosure but not involved in Disclosure Lite told me back in December that it had been set up in advance as a "he didn't know the microphone on" moment--for unknown reasons. I didn't think much of it then. I'll see if I can find that report or another reference to that.

Yesterday, when I was looking for a video of the statement with subtitles I saw several comments at youtube from Russian Speakers who said (1 - the reporters were joking but Medvedev was serious 2) - he made reference to a "well known documentary film" that has been shown on TV in Russia and Russian viewers are familiar with the reference. Also read the comments at the link below starting with comment #5 by Aug Polariz from December 13, 2012 and those following:

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/12/russia-disclosure-aliens-are-living.html

From youtube, beginning with the English comments below the comments in Russian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w9LkhnnkVA

Here, see the first comment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJXkD4TOGDo

This is the Russian documentary they are referring to:


youtube.com/watch?feature=play*er_embedded&amp;v=6lQU9bQXIT0

A99
02-15-2013, 02:21 PM
Here is video of Dimitry Medvedev's statements with English subtitles. The reporter had been given the question in advance to ask at the end of the interview.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo

Text: Along with the briefcase with nuclear codes, the president of the country is given a special 'top secret' folder. This folder in its entirety contains information about aliens who visited our planet… Along with this, you are given a report of the absolutely secret special service that exercises control over aliens on the territory of our country… More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called Men In Black… I will not tell you how many of them are among us because it may cause panic.

I married into a family of first generation Lithuanians and Russians (since divorced) and when they are joking around, they are not apt to keep as straight a face as how we are seeing Medvedev in this video. There's truth in those words and it will be interesting to see just how long he will remain in the public eye if not on this planet if he keeps this up.

You can see it in his eye's... there's no glint there, he's serious.

ProblemChild
02-15-2013, 02:55 PM
Thanks Doc, I'll look through them. If he is talking about the documentry rather than the feature film it makes it all the more interesting.

ProblemChild
02-15-2013, 03:57 PM
Now I'm confused. The documentry seems to be about ET in general rather than solely about MIB. Also it seems to be called "Hidden Territories". I can't see any reference to Men in Black in the titles. Perhaps I'm missing something? but how could the President refer to this documentary if it was not in fact called "Men in Black"

A99
02-15-2013, 04:19 PM
Here's a comment on You Tube by a Russian wrt that video showing Medvedev talking to that reporter:
Zdravko Vojinovic (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/user/MrZdravisha1) 3 days ago (http://www.youtube.com/comment?lc=Q_P9kpPzzgD0TCX0BqIUjhZtr6SenDw4HHUAccC 3Hgg)STORRY about "movie" contais about RUSSIANdocumentary moovie- NOT AMERICAN !!! It is VERY IMPORTANT to know!!!

Doc
02-15-2013, 04:30 PM
Now I'm confused. The documentry seems to be about ET in general rather than solely about MIB. Also it seems to be called "Hidden Territories". I can't see any reference to Men in Black in the titles. Perhaps I'm missing something? but how could the President refer to this documentary if it was not in fact called "Men in Black"

I don't know why that is. It looks to me like maybe the beginning is cut off? Here's a whole list of posts to youtube referring to it as Men in Black.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=men+in+black+russian+document ary&oq=men+in+black+russian+documentary&gs_l=youtube-reduced.12..0l2.15992.15992.0.17446.1.1.0.0.0.0.10 3.103.0j1.1.0...0.0...1ac.2.foWW6phx-a4

Doc
02-15-2013, 04:37 PM
This is from my link above:

The documentary so called Men in Black is from actually russian documentary series called (Sekretnie Territorii on RENtv) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHrIO3nbH8 "Secret Territory UFOs and Men In Black" also translated as "Hidden Territories - The Secret About the Men in Black"

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/12/russia-disclosure-aliens-are-living.html


(http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/12/russia-disclosure-aliens-are-living.html)

ProblemChild
02-15-2013, 05:20 PM
Thanks Doc. I think it highly unlikely that the PM would refer to a single documentary from a series as the best reference for information. How could he be sure that the reporter had heard of the series let alone a single episode. I think he was joking and refering to the Will Smith MIB film and by referring to the comedy MIB as a documentary was a kind of punchline.

All the rest is the online pundits trying to meat on a thin story.

Doc
02-15-2013, 06:07 PM
Thanks Doc. I think it highly unlikely that the PM would refer to a single documentary from a series as the best reference for information. How could he be sure that the reporter had heard of the series let alone a single episode. I think he was joking and refering to the Will Smith MIB film and by referring to the comedy MIB as a documentary was a kind of punchline.

All the rest is the online pundits trying to meat on a thin story.

If you read at all the links you'll find that people have been arguing about that since Dec 8 or 9, 2012. Some say just about everyone in Russia watches REN TV which produced/showed the documentary which is popular and it is as logical a cultural reference in Russia as an American movie would be. The reporter asking the question was from REN TV. So, who knows?

Lee
02-16-2013, 03:14 PM
Thanks Doc. I think it highly unlikely that the PM would refer to a single documentary from a series as the best reference for information. How could he be sure that the reporter had heard of the series let alone a single episode. I think he was joking and refering to the Will Smith MIB film and by referring to the comedy MIB as a documentary was a kind of punchline.

All the rest is the online pundits trying to meat on a thin story.
For what it's worth, I had exactly the same reaction when the story first broke. Medvedev certainty seemed to be joking, especially considering the context of his statement. It's still not clear to me whether he was referring to the film or the documentary.

Our contacts clearly told us that Medvedev's statement was carefully planned as part of the 'D-lite' program. If further personal disclosures are made in the coming months, as we have they will, maybe people will begin to take this information more seriously.

calikid
02-16-2013, 03:14 PM
This is from my link above:

The documentary so called Men in Black is from actually russian documentary series called (Sekretnie Territorii on RENtv) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvHrIO3nbH8 "Secret Territory UFOs and Men In Black" also translated as "Hidden Territories - The Secret About the Men in Black"

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/12/russia-disclosure-aliens-are-living.html


(http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2012/12/russia-disclosure-aliens-are-living.html)

Anyone find a link to this video that provides English subtitles?

add note: Just notice it listed above..... :doh:

Thanks Doc.

Chris
02-16-2013, 03:38 PM
For what it's worth - I had a friend of mine who speaks Russian watch the interview and their impression was that Medvedev was serious with his remarks. They also stated that the Men In Black reference was - to them - a clear reference to the Russian TV series.

ScaRZ
02-16-2013, 04:11 PM
?

Do any of the Admins know if your contacts have any involvement with what was once referred to as the T.C. ("The Clues") Group?

Doc
02-16-2013, 04:36 PM
?

Do any of the Admins know if your contacts have any involvement with what was once referred to as the T.C. ("The Clues") Group?

None that we know about.

Chris
02-16-2013, 04:36 PM
?

Do any of the Admins know if your contacts have any involvement with what was once referred to as the T.C. ("The Clues") Group?
We never learned who was behind The Clues so that would be impossible to answer. Although personally speaking I would doubt it.

Dragonfire
02-16-2013, 08:22 PM
Not to get off track too far, wasn't R. Doty involved in the TC group?

Chris
02-16-2013, 08:44 PM
Not to get off track too far, wasn't R. Doty involved in the TC group?



There might have been some speculation regarding Doty but I really don't believe he was involved.

Doc
02-17-2013, 02:07 AM
My recollection of The Clues was that he/they made a point of not being part of the old crowd or known names. I always got a sense that it was a European thing and if there was indeed a group, they were not anyone we knew or ever heard of before.

ScaRZ
02-17-2013, 04:31 PM
Thanks for the replies to my question on The Clues. They came to my mind as soon as I read the first post about the Disclosure Lite. I know The Admins at OMF had received some information from The Clues that was never placed on the forum. The Clues also reported on a Russian angle/Russian asset and with the mention of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev's remarks from December last year moved me in a direction of wondering if they (or some of the T.C. group) may be behind it in some form. I wouldn't look for them to verify it even if it was true and that's the only way I guess we will ever know.

Doc
02-17-2013, 06:20 PM
Thanks for the replies to my question on The Clues. They came to my mind as soon as I read the first post about the Disclosure Lite. I know The Admins at OMF had received some information from The Clues that was never placed on the forum. The Clues also reported on a Russian angle/Russian asset and with the mention of Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev's remarks from December last year moved me in a direction of wondering if they (or some of the T.C. group) may be behind it in some form. I wouldn't look for them to verify it even if it was true and that's the only way I guess we will ever know.

I am glad you thought of it and suggested it. That is a good theory look for supporting evidence about and to keep in mind as things develop. What do you remember about The Clues mention of a Russian angle or asset? It doesn't ring any bells with me at all.

ScaRZ
02-17-2013, 08:42 PM
I am glad you thought of it and suggested it. That is a good theory look for supporting evidence about and to keep in mind as things develop. What do you remember about The Clues mention of a Russian angle or asset? It doesn't ring any bells with me at all.

From the very first information received from "The Clues" you can see they mention the Soviets involved with Americans in establishing a colony on Mars. I will lay out some information where the Soviets/Russians are mentioned. First off something to consider about the information being released from them.

"2- once the material was released, track the flow and study where it may lead. It was a bonus to them when these projects hit the Internet and they learned the identities of those viewing the information and for study in the near future tests."

********************************

"This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork. Not everything is, as it seems."

"President Eisenhower comes aboard in �53 as I did. When he realized the threat was real, he contacted the Soviets, British and a few other trustworthy heads of state."

"The Soviet Union and the U.S. had recovered 10 more discs and 27 more bodies."

"A few of us have returned from (removed) in which we viewed evidence a Colonel had in his possesion. We were amazed at the material, which included a 40-minute long video of an American or Russian military recovery team seizing two Grey bodies and parts from a downed disc. Incredibly no words were spoken, only hand movements."

"The Russians, also, sent a few people to this planet three years later and our Russian contact might be able to get us documentation."

"Our Russian asset sent word to us that everything has been locked down. He is worried that something is about to happen, due to military deployments and heightened alerts."

"Not once did we promise the video, we only mentioned that we were trying to purchase it, and the asking price was to steep for us. If you want proof as to who bought it, check out the BBC as to who met Fidel Castro nearly two weeks ago. That's right, Chavez, Chinese military personnel and Russian diplomats."

"Now, to those that want more alien info, the Soviets sent their own team three years later. It seems the Seinuvians/Ebens (whatever you want to call them) felt the US was the superior race on our planet, but liked the Soviet communistic society. It reminded them of home!!"

"Now, the Soviets did go , but I must stress that we do not, at this point, know which solar system or planet they were taken. Our source is having trouble getting the information to us, due to the FSB and SVR watching every move his department makes. When more information is delivered, we will check it out and when verified, pass it along. His last message mentioned possibly the Zeta system, but he needed to get back into the vault and verify the information. It's also difficult trying to match their e-race names to ours."

"We have heard from one of our assets overseas. He claims the Soviets went to Alpha Centauri A and the planet Seinu (�����) is 1.62 astronomical units from that sun. He also mentioned one of the returning men was a clone and when discovered during medical tests, committed suicide."

****************************

Something to think about:

"Our committee has agreed to join forces with the overseas asset and his group, and a third group in another country. One has the incredible intel, the other has the financial backing, and we have many assets to contribute."

"Our group will no longer release information to your website, it will
be done overseas where the media is not controlled by their governments."


JakeReason placed all the T.C.GROUP - The Seinu Disclosures here for those with any interest.

http://openmindsforum.forumotion.com/t100-tcgroup-the-seinu-disclosures

Doc
02-17-2013, 10:20 PM
Thanks for the memory refresher, ScaRZ. I went back and read the very first paragraphs of the TC releases where the author sets the stage with a dying old spy, secret journal, unruly grandson, and topped off with an omniscient, all-too-convenient narrator to make sure we knew what to think about it all. We had been trying to track down the source of the TC or Seinu disclosures without too much success although by the time we published anything, I had some ideas about the source that one person among us at least shared. At this time Serpo was in full swing and the people who decided that they were going to take down Serpo were hard at it. By the end of that year I would be convinced that the PtB had put resources and personnel in the field to kill Serpo but at that early date I was just skeptical of the TC material. I thought we were being set up to look foolish or being tested by some person or persons to see how gullible and how honest we were. I felt that if we had put out any public endorsement at all in The Clues releases, someone was going to jump out of a cake blowing a horn and yelling, "Surprise!"

Chris
02-17-2013, 11:55 PM
Thanks for the memory refresher, ScaRZ. I went back and read the very first paragraphs of the TC releases where the author sets the stage with a dying old spy, secret journal, unruly grandson, and topped off with an omniscient, all-too-convenient narrator to make sure we knew what to think about it all. We had been trying to track down the source of the TC or Seinu disclosures without too much success although by the time we published anything, I had some ideas about the source that one person among us at least shared. At this time Serpo was in full swing and the people who decided that they were going to take down Serpo were hard at it. By the end of that year I would be convinced that the PtB had put resources and personnel in the field to kill Serpo but at that early date I was just skeptical of the TC material. I thought we were being set up to look foolish or being tested by some person or persons to see how gullible and how honest we were. I felt that if we had put out any public endorsement at all in The Clues releases, someone was going to jump out of a cake blowing a horn and yelling, "Surprise!"
Additionally, the communication from him (or them) was limited to just two of the old staff (neither of whom is with us here today). The attempts we made to continue contact with him (or them) was done to try and discover who he (or they) was (or were) as we were highly skeptical as to the veracity of the story.

I always felt as though it was an attempt to distract from Serpo and to test our credibility - and he (they) failed on both counts.

Doc
02-18-2013, 01:44 AM
Additionally, the communication from him (or them) was limited to just two of the old staff (neither of whom is with us here today). The attempts we made to continue contact with him (or them) was done to try and discover who he (or they) was (or were) as we were highly skeptical as to the veracity of the story.

I always felt as though it was an attempt to distract from Serpo and to test our credibility - and he (they) failed on both counts.

I never thought it was more than one person. It always seemed to be the same voice even when the narration shifted to another individual. I thought the writer of The Clues was very familiar with the literature. In the section ScaRZ reposted, TC mentions all three of the then current "we've been there" stories. The Serpo story of twelve Serponauts going to another planet, the alternate story that it was only three (or two or four) from the US and the version that said a small group of Russians went later. A casual reader would not have known so much detail, I don't think. The TC approach always felt too slick (like some of the too slick people we knew back then) too polished and very much agenda-driven. TC began to undermine the credibility of the Serpo Releases immediately with criticisms that were already out there and not of much substance at that early stage, such as the profit motive among the principals such as Bill Ryan and Victor Martinez. Add to that TC's insistence that we publish his stuff right away and some of us were seeing red flags all over the place.

So ScaRZ, the long and short of it is, if TC was involved in Disclosure Lite, I for one would be saying so right up front because I doubt I would want to have anything to do with it.

Robert_Fay
02-18-2013, 12:43 PM
I don't know if this will make anyone happy, or not, and i very much doubt that anyone here will want to give it any credence:

MIRTHFUL IRREVERENCE - the munition of triumph
Take on the Jesuit\Rothschilds and Rockefellers?
ATTENTION : BILDERBERGERS (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/category/ets-lose-control/)
{ http://bit.ly/Attention_BILDERBERGERS }
{{ http://bit.ly/_Bildebergers-Denuded (http://bit.ly/_Bildebergers-Denuded)}} ~ check out the Nov 2009 publishing date on "The Reason You Have Lost Control of the Planet..."
{{{ http://bit.ly/ATTENTION-Bildebergers }}}

The part of this category that i suspect most won't like is this:
The ETs Have Lost Control / Forced into View (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/2009/10/26/the-ets-have-lost-control-forced-into-view/)

Garuda
02-18-2013, 01:08 PM
I don't know if this will make anyone happy, or not, and i very much doubt that anyone here will want to give it any credence:

MIRTHFUL IRREVERENCE - the munition of triumph
Take on the Jesuit\Rothschilds and Rockefellers?
ATTENTION : BILDERBERGERS (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/category/ets-lose-control/)
{ http://bit.ly/Attention_BILDERBERGERS }
{{ http://bit.ly/_Bildebergers-Denuded (http://bit.ly/_Bildebergers-Denuded)}} ~ check out the Nov 2009 publishing date on "The Reason You Have Lost Control of the Planet..."
{{{ http://bit.ly/ATTENTION-Bildebergers }}}

The part of this category that i suspect most won't like is this:
The ETs Have Lost Control / Forced into View (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/2009/10/26/the-ets-have-lost-control-forced-into-view/)

This is the second time you're making a completely off topic post in this thread.

Please stay on topic. Future off-topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Longeyes
02-18-2013, 02:31 PM
Well done guys for putting this stuff out there I know it takes years to get close to these people and get the truth out.
It's been quiet for far too long.

Longeyes
02-18-2013, 02:42 PM
Also were the revelations by Dick French last year in any way part of this? Chris could you check with your contacts? I assume not but would have loved to have heard more of his story
He seemed of the same ilke high up intellgence officier with impeccable credentials.
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?791-Dick-French&highlight=dick+french
I have been far too busy in the last six months to really be here much and do and digging but hopefully will have a bit more time soon.

ScaRZ
02-18-2013, 02:51 PM
So ScaRZ, the long and short of it is, if TC was involved in Disclosure Lite, I for one would be saying so right up front because I doubt I would want to have anything to do with it.

I always thought the T.C. Group couldn't make up their mind/minds what the heck they were doing. Too much jumping here and there with the majority of info everybody already knew about for years. I'm with you Doc it didn't read as coming from more than one person.

The thing is if you have no idea who this person or persons where back then,how would you know he/she/they aren't involved with the Disclosure Lite?

Chris
02-18-2013, 03:24 PM
I always thought the T.C. Group couldn't make up their mind/minds what the heck they were doing. Too much jumping here and there with the majority of info everybody already knew about for years. I'm with you Doc it didn't read as coming from more than one person.

The thing is if you have no idea who this person or persons where back then,how would you know he/she/they aren't involved with the Disclosure Lite?
The goal of the TC group was obfuscation through disinformation - which would be an anti-Disclosure stance. The group behind Disclosure Lite are actively involved in the Disclosure process. And I would find it very hard to believe that the individuals I know so far would have had anything to do with TC.

Chris
02-18-2013, 03:25 PM
Also were the revelations by Dick French last year in any way part of this? Chris could you check with your contacts? I assume not but would have loved to have heard more of his story
He seemed of the same ilke high up intellgence officier with impeccable credentials.
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?791-Dick-French&highlight=dick+french
I have been far too busy in the last six months to really be here much and do and digging but hopefully will have a bit more time soon.
I will ask but his name never came up in the conversations we had.

Doc
02-18-2013, 06:14 PM
I always thought the T.C. Group couldn't make up their mind/minds what the heck they were doing. Too much jumping here and there with the majority of info everybody already knew about for years. I'm with you Doc it didn't read as coming from more than one person.

The thing is if you have no idea who this person or persons where back then,how would you know he/she/they aren't involved with the Disclosure Lite?

The Clues went to great lengths to hide his/their identity and location. The people involved in Disclosure Lite are real, identifiable people who are staying out of the public eye for the time being. Yes, I agree with you freely that is "as far as we know" they are. If TC was somehow involved with them it would seem to be a contradiction of their self-identification as out of the mainstream. We can't be 100% sure of that but, really, I think the bigger question is "are the people we do know are involved going to actually deliver?".

Doc
02-18-2013, 06:21 PM
Also were the revelations by Dick French last year in any way part of this? Chris could you check with your contacts? I assume not but would have loved to have heard more of his story
He seemed of the same ilke high up intellgence officier with impeccable credentials.
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?791-Dick-French&highlight=dick+french
I have been far too busy in the last six months to really be here much and do and digging but hopefully will have a bit more time soon.

Thanks for bringing Dick French back up, Longeyes. I think that his history and his story didn't get the detailed attention they deserved. I'm going to go back and watch some of the interviews and commentary and see what may relate to or confirm the ideas included in Disclosure Lite. If you are thinking of anything specific already, please post about it. There may be a good chance that Dick French going public was one of the seeds of Disclosure Lite. It certainly is consistent with the main theme of individual experience that stands alone.

ScaRZ
02-18-2013, 08:16 PM
The Clues went to great lengths to hide his/their identity and location. The people involved in Disclosure Lite are real, identifiable people who are staying out of the public eye for the time being. Yes, I agree with you freely that is "as far as we know" they are. If TC was somehow involved with them it would seem to be a contradiction of their self-identification as out of the mainstream. We can't be 100% sure of that but, really, I think the bigger question is "are the people we do know are involved going to actually deliver?".

Thank you Doc for your input.

Chris
02-18-2013, 08:38 PM
Thanks for bringing Dick French back up, Longeyes. I think that his history and his story didn't get the detailed attention they deserved. I'm going to go back and watch some of the interviews and commentary and see what may relate to or confirm the ideas included in Disclosure Lite. If you are thinking of anything specific already, please post about it. There may be a good chance that Dick French going public was one of the seeds of Disclosure Lite. It certainly is consistent with the main theme of individual experience that stands alone.
The preliminary feedback we have regarding Dick French is that although they can not say with certainty that his statements were a part of Disclosure Lite that they nevertheless were in keeping with the program's protocols for release of such information.

So, that was a GREAT catch, Longeyes!

Longeyes
02-18-2013, 11:28 PM
Nice :)

Robert_Fay
02-19-2013, 02:22 AM
This is the second time you're making a completely off topic post in this thread.

Please stay on topic. Future off-topic posts will be deleted.

Thanks for your cooperation.

It baffles me. Why, how, is this off topic? You are talking about the ET realm, are you not? Are they good? How will they help us? Will they be self-serving or altruistic? When will their presence be revealed. Who will do it? Am i wrong?

The post i put up addresses this. It says they have lost whatever purported influence or "control" they ever had.

I am perplexed, how is this not relevant? What is it that i am not getting?

Is it only allowed that "we believe" or play in the "they are good\bad" game that is the theme?

Is this a private clique who would prefer that i just go away?

Chris
02-19-2013, 02:46 AM
It baffles me. Why, how, is this off topic? You are talking about the ET realm, are you not? Are they good? How will they help us? Will they be self-serving or altruistic? When will their presence be revealed. Who will do it? Am i wrong?

The post i put up addresses this. It says they have lost whatever purported influence or "control" they ever had.

I am perplexed, how is this not relevant? What is it that i am not getting?

Is it only allowed that "we believe" or play in the "they are good\bad" game that is the theme?

Is this a private clique who would prefer that i just go away?
No, we do to want you to leave TOP.

If you had made a post stating the items above then the post would have been fine. However, the reality is that you posted about the Bilderbergers and did not have anything to say about the Disclosure-Lite program.

A post concerning the Bilderbergers would be more appropriate in the "Conspiracy" board.

Chris
02-19-2013, 02:58 AM
Tonight I have been reading Richard Dolan and Bryce Zabel's excellent book "After Disclosure" while I am on my flight to Phoenix. Very interestingly it contains several elements of the Disclosure-Lite program we have had described to us here in the last few months.

I have spoken to Bryce about the book and Disclosure in general - including DL - and I highly recommend it to everyone here. Hopefully Bryce will be joining us here at TOP in the near future!

CasperParks
02-19-2013, 03:02 AM
Lot of posts over the past couple days in this thread. Tired, will have to catch-up tomorrow. It was a long round trip.

Garuda
02-19-2013, 06:53 AM
It baffles me. Why, how, is this off topic? You are talking about the ET realm, are you not? Are they good? How will they help us? Will they be self-serving or altruistic? When will their presence be revealed. Who will do it? Am i wrong?

Yes, you are wrong.

This thread does not deal with 'are they good,' 'how will they help us,' 'will they bey self serving or altruistic' ...
There are other threads in the forum that deal with that. Not this one.

This thread deals with a new disclosure initiative in which high profile individuals talk about their own experiences as a form of 'disclosure lite,' and has nothing, nada, zilch to do with Bilderberger conspiracies. So I'd suggest you start a new thread on it, if that's what you want to discuss.

Chris
02-20-2013, 01:04 AM
If the Dick French release of information is indeed a part of this program then it makes you wonder about anyone else who has come out within the last year or so that might also fit the protocol as we are to understand it - which would be someone talking about their own personal experiences within the intelligence, military or technology worlds.

Fore
02-20-2013, 04:18 AM
This thread deals with a new disclosure initiative in which high profile individuals talk about their own experiences as a form of 'disclosure lite,' [...]

This video has a semblance (IMO) to do with the leaks behind Disclosure and "Disclosure Light".

Please keep in mind when the next releases go out in public media.

(And perhaps consider why certain crack downs occur when people photograph or testify of Alien craft or Alien Entity contacts with formal relations to the various governments present on Earth.)

Switch the words around slightly as you hear it in the video and you'll get the basic drift of one of various tactics.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybBa_Ygg1rE

I'd also ask the listener to consider for a moment that perhaps not all the Disinformation originates from purely Human sources. Consider the idea that even the ET set up such programs to obscure real information by creating those 200 altered accounts.

I propose the idea or concept that Disclosure proponents have more to deal with than 3 or 5 letter agencies looking over their shoulder.

CasperParks
02-20-2013, 05:18 AM
Fore,

Agree on flooding of information and mis-information. Whatever level of Disclosure takes place, it gets the ball rolling. Sorting through all the muddle is not easy.

CasperParks
02-21-2013, 06:42 PM
For breakdown and explanation of this project click here and read Pandora's Box: The 'Disclosure Lite' Program under Articles. (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/content.php?133-Pandora-s-Box-The-Disclosure-Lite-Program)

Daily vast numbers of individuals surf through TOP in search of information, maintaining track within this thread is important.

The staff member who wrote the article did a good job, thanks.

Lee
02-21-2013, 09:49 PM
For breakdown and explanation of this project click here and read Pandora's Box: The 'Disclosure Lite' Program under Articles. (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/content.php?133-Pandora-s-Box-The-Disclosure-Lite-Program)

Daily vast numbers of individuals surf through TOP in search of information, maintaining track within this thread is important.

The staff member who wrote the article did a good job, thanks.
Thank you Casper!

For the record, I would like to know let our members know that we contacted Chase Brandon several days ago and invited him to comment on the article and more specifically on the 'D-lite' program. We have received no response to date.

Chris
02-24-2013, 04:42 PM
As I mentioned above, I have been (slowly) reading Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan's book "After Disclosure". They have nailed many of the aspects of the Disclosure Lite program as they have been revealed to us. Everything behind the reasons, the timing and the approach are extremely similar. Could it be that this book is part of the impetus behind the program or is there an even closer relationship between the two...??? :confused:

Doc
02-24-2013, 05:57 PM
As I mentioned above, I have been (slowly) reading Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan's book "After Disclosure". They have nailed many of the aspects of the Disclosure Lite program as they have been revealed to us. Everything behind the reasons, the timing and the approach are extremely similar. Could it be that this book is part of the impetus behind the program or is there an even closer relationship between the two...??? :confused:

I'm not familiar with Bryce Zabel (yet) but I know Richard Dolan's work well. He is very good at getting to both the "what" and the "why" of things. When he writes about the motives behind what is happening, he is usually credible. I'd better read this book!

earthman
02-24-2013, 06:47 PM
The gov's on the world will have to come up with a plan so they don't look like ass's for keeping this under rapp's for so long. We have to comprimise a bit on this. Demanding as the Discloser Project does just dosen't get it. They can't just say they knew for so long. I hope this works out for once. How many times have we thought that our information says it was going to happen and we were let down. Hope your contacts are right on this. I hate to have another let down.

earthman

Chris
02-25-2013, 05:03 AM
The gov's on the world will have to come up with a plan so they don't look like ass's for keeping this under rapp's for so long. We have to comprimise a bit on this. Demanding as the Discloser Project does just dosen't get it. They can't just say they knew for so long. I hope this works out for once. How many times have we thought that our information says it was going to happen and we were let down. Hope your contacts are right on this. I hate to have another let down.

earthman
Unless they can come up with a really great reason for keeping this under wraps for all this time they will come out looking like major league asses!

majicbar
02-25-2013, 07:09 AM
Unless they can come up with a really great reason for keeping this under wraps for all this time they will come out looking like major league asses!

And if it turns out that there are some of these others who are abducting humans and doing mutulations on these humans as are being done with various animals, that would probably be enough for many to excuse the coverup. I hate to think about that, but it is in some of the odder "leaked reports".

Might it even be produced as a false flag to cover those major league asses?

Robert_Fay
02-25-2013, 11:09 AM
No, we do to want you to leave TOP.

If you had made a post stating the items above then the post would have been fine. However, the reality is that you posted about the Bilderbergers and did not have anything to say about the Disclosure-Lite program.

A post concerning the Bilderbergers would be more appropriate in the "Conspiracy" board.

That whole post has a topic {blog Category} of what will not be happening, including the UFO \ ET thing.
All of that, Bilderbergers included, have had their control dynamic usurped.
Nothing of any of their agenda dynamic will happen.
The link was a Category link.
Within it is:
The ETs Have Lost Control / Forced into View (http://eductivefuturegroup.com/2009/10/26/the-ets-have-lost-control-forced-into-view/)

Sorry that you didn't get to see this.

Chris
02-25-2013, 03:54 PM
And if it turns out that there are some of these others who are abducting humans and doing mutulations on these humans as are being done with various animals, that would probably be enough for many to excuse the coverup. I hate to think about that, but it is in some of the odder "leaked reports".

Might it even be produced as a false flag to cover those major league asses?
The cases of animal mutilations are quite clear and obvious. I do wonder though if the reports of human mutilations is a false flag to cover the reality of human abductions and all that those abductions imply - namely allowing the hybridization of ET species with humans. The other aspect of the presence of ET is that they have turned us into who we are today through genetic manipulation.

There are several potential ugly truths hidden behind what is being leaked out today. The slow and deliberate release of information through the Disclosure Lite program could be done so as to show the "good" of our involvement with them through the ages. The approach would then be to show the benevolent side before getting to any of the potentially disturbing aspects of our involvement with them.

So first we find out about their contributions to our world through technological advancements. Then we hear about their assistance in saving us from self-destruction through their intervention and prevention of nuclear war. Next might be we find out about the contributions to medical advancements. Finally we hear about how they saved us from some natural disaster.

Then, after all of the feel good benevolent stories are told, the rest of the truth starts to leak out. It's akin to managing a marketing campaign. There is even a name for this process that Glenn Beck borrowed for one of his novels called "The Overton Window". Simply put it describes how you change the way the masses perceive of a subject matter through moving the entire perception of that subject matter.

My belief is that we are in the initial stages of an Overton Window effect being created for the ET presence.

Doc
02-25-2013, 04:01 PM
I think you are right, Chris. The Individual Narrative approach is a great way to control the flow and perception of the information they are releasing. They pick what stories will come out and when. No one is identified to be held accountable. If they have the public perception where they want it to be, if other information starts coming out that disagrees, it puts the new information at the disadvantage of having to change public perception.

epo333
02-26-2013, 12:28 PM
And if it turns out that there are some of these others who are abducting humans and doing mutulations on these humans as are being done with various animals, that would probably be enough for many to excuse the coverup. I hate to think about that, but it is in some of the odder "leaked reports".

Might it even be produced as a false flag to cover those major league asses?

Aliens Killing Human Beings - A Very Rare, Yet Documented Case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1jDZoj2xs

CasperParks
02-26-2013, 06:22 PM
The gov's on the world will have to come up with a plan so they don't look like ass's for keeping this under rapp's for so long. We have to comprimise a bit on this. Demanding as the Discloser Project does just dosen't get it. They can't just say they knew for so long. I hope this works out for once. How many times have we thought that our information says it was going to happen and we were let down. Hope your contacts are right on this. I hate to have another let down.

Perhaps:

Those in current power will claim it was started prior to their time in office. They will pass the buck, blaming mostly the United States for cover-up. That the US held them back and the US will step off the world stage. I suspect Disclosure plays into what we are seeing today within the US with gun registration, combat troops having exercises in US cities and more. Disclosure will have a huge impact on the economy, as well.

If not for alien interference and intervention, where would humans of Earth (Eden) be today?

Doc
02-26-2013, 06:31 PM
Perhaps:

Those in current power will claim it was started prior to their time in office. They will pass the buck, blaming mostly the United States for cover-up. That the US held them back and the US will step off the world stage. I suspect Disclosure plays into what we are seeing today within the US with gun registration, combat troops having exercises in US cities and more. Disclosure will have a huge impact on the economy, as well.

If not for alien interference and intervention, where would humans of Earth (Eden) be today?

I thought that enough time had passed by 2006-2007 that most of the people who were "in on the coverup" were dead or retired. Then, I was told by an insider that I was wrong. Many of the people responsible for perpetuating the coverup were still active and in positions of power. Many of them still believe they did the right thing. They would exert all of that power to thwart Disclosure.

earthman
02-26-2013, 07:58 PM
I bet the UN has a big say in this. I'm sure UN members have known about this for years and have had a say on when this might come to play. I'm sure that the US is not the only player in this. After Medvedev's statement it shows that they have a big say in this. Is there any word that the UN just might have started this "Lite" disclosure process? And might more leader do the "slip of the tongue" thingy in the near future?

earthman

Chris
02-26-2013, 10:50 PM
I bet the UN has a big say in this. I'm sure UN members have known about this for years and have had a say on when this might come to play. I'm sure that the US is not the only player in this. After Medvedev's statement it shows that they have a big say in this. Is there any word that the UN just might have started this "Lite" disclosure process? And might more leader do the "slip of the tongue" thingy in the near future?

earthman
While I agree that this is indeed an international effort I'm not too sure that it is UN based. There is no information we have received that would suggest it is the work of the UN.

I would look for someone in the very near future to make an additional statement. And it will be from someone you recognize.

earthman
02-26-2013, 11:10 PM
Humm.... Can't wait for more.... Wonder who..:confused:

boppie
02-27-2013, 10:52 PM
Well, here's a question from the cheap seats...and forgive me if I missed this detail from the 'DL' info: Are representatives of the world's major super powers part of the Disclosure Lite initiative besides the US? Russia, China, UK, etc.? If so, who?

Just wondering from Indy.

Chris
02-27-2013, 10:58 PM
Well, here's a question from the cheap seats...and forgive me if I missed this detail from the 'DL' info: Are representatives of the world's major super powers part of the Disclosure Lite initiative besides the US? Russia, China, UK, etc.? If so, who?

Just wondering from Indy.
We don't know exactly who is all involved at this point aside from the US and Russia.

Longeyes
02-28-2013, 10:56 AM
Well I for one wish they would hurry up. Mankind is on the edge of a precipice. @ 9 billion souls and counting we are consuming more and more of the planets resources. I know a lot of you will disagree but we desperately need some kind of global agreement on how to manage and regulate our destructive and constructive tendencies on this planet. We don't live in isolation we are dependent on the ratio s of oxygen and co2 in the air and even down at the microscopic level we rely on bacteria to help digest food and mites to clean our skin. We don't exist in isolation from the system no matter how much we would love to. We share this world with trillions of other life forms. Unfortunately as tribal animals we lack a global perspective and much of our focus is on the everyday nitty gritty of life. Why can't we get rid of all the tax havens at least start to talk about some how managing the worlds population. To many people decry china one child policy but without it there would no doubt be another billion people on the planet driving up the price of metals and fossil fuels much of the problems of climate change and environmental problems would be solved if there were less of us.

Longeyes
02-28-2013, 02:35 PM
I like to think disclosure would be akin to the magic moment the astronauts experienced when they looked back at earth from the moon, saw a distant blue orb, and sensed the fragility and preciousness of the world. I hope it will help humanity to think as one against the unforgiving reality we all face.

atmjjc
03-01-2013, 11:41 AM
If you read some of the replies we seem to be anthropomorphizing with the personification of human characterization of what we think an alien species might be. We seem to have this nuts and bolts star wars and star trek mentality of the aliens and seem to be pissed off on why the government is withholding disclosure.

Just saying there may be a damn good reason why information is being withheld from the general population.

If and when there is disclosure it may possibly be that it can’t be hidden anymore and it will become so obvious that we having to have the government tell us would be ludicrous.

murmur
03-01-2013, 11:48 PM
Watch out, you are being set up. Beware of Wolves in Sheeps clothing!

Funny...I thought the same thing...but clearly not for the same reasons

Longeyes
03-02-2013, 02:35 AM
Atmjjc surely if we were anthropomorphising the aliens would be shooting one and other stealing, and invading territories of less advanced civilisations and ethnically cleansing them so far no evidence of that.
I think the real fear initially was that they had no idea what the ETs wanted at all still have very little, to them surely we are little more than insects or animals not worth even bothering with. But if there wasn't so kind of 'prime directive' why the hell have they not got rid of us eons ago. Abductions seem to back this up its no different than the way we treat a polar bear , dart it put it to sleep take samples and set it free. Disclosure I very much doubt will involve contact but the sheer myriad of life forms will be the problem, inter dimensional pan galactic inter temporal certainly too much for the majority to grapple with easily especially the religious and scientific communities whose dogma is backed up by facts.

atmjjc
03-02-2013, 11:31 AM
Hi longeyes,

You are most likely misinterpreting the word anthropomorphizing, what it means in short is attributing human characteristics to non-human objects.

The summation of my meaning of my last post was basically we should be careful of what we wish for because it may be beyond our perceptual understanding of what alien life is in contrast to human life. We are what we are and they are what they are in which case we may not be compatible in understanding one another... meaning we are at a huge disadvantage.

Longeyes
03-04-2013, 03:01 PM
I agree with you we have no real idea what to expect.
But no I know what anthropomorphising means. My point was we are not exactly a civilised species , imagine another humanity hurtling its way towards you, the idea is terrifying , there's no one in control , we are flying along at an incredible pace technologically,there are greater and greater gaps between rich and poor, we're still fighting amongst ourselves and we agree on virtually nothing. Yeah hope they are more grown up and maturer than us. I know it's not an American idea but I believe there is an underlying truth and we can get closer to it. It isn't about who can win the argument but progress towards that truth that really matters. Hopefully and I'm pretty sure it is common to all no matter what you are.

Chris
03-05-2013, 01:02 AM
Hi longeyes,

...The summation of my meaning of my last post was basically we should be careful of what we wish for because it may be beyond our perceptual understanding of what alien life is in contrast to human life. We are what we are and they are what they are in which case we may not be compatible in understanding one another... meaning we are at a huge disadvantage.
While I do not agree with the decisions that have been made to withhold the information from us I do tend to believe that there are most likeley several good reasons for them to have done so. I personally have no illusions that Disclosure will bring about world peace and harmony and be the answer to all of humanity's problems. To do so would be to give them god-like attributions like our ancestors did.

Our world will change forever and not everyone will see it as something good. In fact, most people really do not handle change very well. I fully expect we will see many people freak out over the news and that there will be a period of chaos ensuing the announcement.

More than just being different from as, as you have pointed out, I think it highly unlikely that we will even come close to fully understanding them. Their morals, philosophies, beliefs and spirituality may all be totally out of synch with where we are in that regard. We are a work in progress as I'm sure so will they be.

lycaeus
03-05-2013, 03:25 AM
I'm probably a little misinformed, but when I think of Disclosure I get this impending feeling of doom that the beginning of the end is at hand. I doubt the one's first to reveal themselves will have our best interests in mind. I picture everybody treating them like gods, doing everything they say. People would kill their neighbour to defend these beings if they offered free energy to the public, cured diseases and hunger and other things like that. I wish that we could just be left alone, but we've never been alone. We never really had a fair chance. The best we can do is to try and get along, spread knowledge and live the best we can, but there are way too many brainwashed people out there that will never change. So I guess the best thing for us in general is that something big shakes up our view of the world and wakes us up a bit. Then people might start considering other possibilities they wouldn't have considered before, and hopefully we can change our ways for the better. But I just can't stand tyranny of any kind so I pray to god that people start demanding personal freedom and if not I will just shake my head. So yeah, I guess I'm darkly optimistic.

CasperParks
03-05-2013, 05:00 AM
While I do not agree with the decisions that have been made to withhold the information from us I do tend to believe that there are most likeley several good reasons for them to have done so. I personally have no illusions that Disclosure will bring about world peace and harmony and be the answer to all of humanity's problems. To do so would be to give them god-like attributions like our ancestors did.

Our world will change forever and not everyone will see it as something good. In fact, most people really do not handle change very well. I fully expect we will see many people freak out over the news and that there will be a period of chaos ensuing the announcement.

More than just being different from as, as you have pointed out, I think it highly unlikely that we will even come close to fully understanding them. Their morals, philosophies, beliefs and spirituality may all be totally out of synch with where we are in that regard. We are a work in progress as I'm sure so will they be.

Disclosure is a dangerous and difficult transition toward a broadening reality.

As humans on Earth enter this birthing phase, shall they be stillborn or born anew?

Hold on tight it is gonna be a bumpy ride!

montalk
03-05-2013, 07:18 AM
What if aliens uncloak and reveal that we are nothing more than a simulation, that the universe does not extend beyond the solar system, and that they are just computer avatars inserted by the programmers to interact with us. That there is no escape from our simulation because we are products of it, that the programmers are getting angry with how things are going here, and that they're about to pull the plug on the whole thing. Except maybe they'll save the data files of just over a hundred thousand characters that they've grown to like, which they'll use to seed Universe 2.0 ...

That's the kind of crazy stuff we have to be prepared to deal with, if we want full disclosure of everything. We may get more than we bargained for. It doesn't have to be exactly like the above scenario. Just that a different secret of an equally mind-blowing order, may be what aliens absolutely refuse to reveal. The secret could be why they never say exactly and truthfully who and what they are, and why they come up with any story other than that one, to pacify us for as long as they can. They're hiding something, the question is what.

Fore
03-05-2013, 08:00 AM
I'm probably a little misinformed, but when I think of Disclosure I get this impending feeling of doom that the beginning of the end is at hand. I doubt the one's first to reveal themselves will have our best interests in mind. I picture everybody treating them like gods, doing everything they say. People would kill their neighbour to defend these beings if they offered free energy to the public, cured diseases and hunger and other things like that. I wish that we could just be left alone, but we've never been alone. We never really had a fair chance. The best we can do is to try and get along, spread knowledge and live the best we can, but there are way too many brainwashed people out there that will never change. So I guess the best thing for us in general is that something big shakes up our view of the world and wakes us up a bit. Then people might start considering other possibilities they wouldn't have considered before, and hopefully we can change our ways for the better. But I just can't stand tyranny of any kind so I pray to god that people start demanding personal freedom and if not I will just shake my head. So yeah, I guess I'm darkly optimistic.http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0gZMFD34Vc#t=6140s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u0gZMFD34Vc#t=6578s

I so believe you are on the right track. But I believe it will be even worse than you might imagine.

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I believe that disclosure will eventually change society for the worse and ultimately be responsible for damages of untold measure. I imagine that people imagine that their intelligence or their current knowledge base will protect them if such a situation were to confront them. From what I have seen, they really have no inkling what is going to happen to them.

Right now the world is full of the equivalent of a proverbial 5 year olds whom any adult from above call tell any lie to and they will very likely believe it. The lies can come packaged in the form of a proposed science (knowledge), philosophy or even simply the spreading of a false idea.

Unfortunately, stranger(s) will be handing out candy in the form of ideas, philosophies and knowledge.

Longeyes
03-05-2013, 11:34 AM
I have very good reason to believe that the ultimate level of reality is nothing to really be afraid of. It is our ego clinging that causes the most problems. What we call physical reality is nothing more than a display. If it was truly solid nothing would ever move or change and this is patently not true. If you look at reality hard enough the cracks start to appear, your everyday experience has a lot in common with a dream and in some sense fundamentally the same. The problem we face as fore said we are mostly like 5 yr olds ready to believe anything. The reason for this is hardly believes in a spiritual path let alone is on one. Learn as many facts as you like they won't actually teach you anything you need to know. They are very much like the wallpapering on the walls of our world. But don't worry the ultimate nature of the world is essentially non conceptual and so impossible to actually explain. No matter how much further technically advanced they are from us that will not change. It is simply the nature of things. So from that point of view they won't be able to say a while lot more than is already understood be some , all be it a tiny proportion of us.

ScaRZ
03-05-2013, 02:50 PM
Unfortunately, stranger(s) will be handing out candy in the form of ideas, philosophies and knowledge.

I believe you are dead on Fore.

Knowledge presented as the next big thing (has been/is/and will be) candy hard to resist.

Doc
03-05-2013, 04:35 PM
I have considered the idea that we may not be able to understand them or know them. That is the premise of a lot of speculative writing, including "Solaris" which treats the subject very well. There is just as much reason the think the opposite, too, in my opinion.

Maybe we can understand them enough that communication and coexistence are possible.

Maybe the gradual release of Disclosure Lite is the way to go instead of an "announcement". The trickle out method gives people time to adjust and to deal with denial and shock.

I think we are far less likely to see chaos and more likely to see Cabbage Patch Aliens as the must have toy for Christmas. That is, somebody will figure out how to make a buck off the aliens and that well make it alright. I don't buy the gloom and doom or end of days arguments as any more likely. We evolved a certain way for a number of reasons. Another successful species can have evolved for similar reasons and be similar enough that the differences are workable. "Nothing is written."

earthman
03-05-2013, 06:29 PM
I believe there will be a little unrest but not the "doom and gloom" as some think. Being able to communicate shouldn't be to hard. A white board and pictogram will work. After contact, it should be like us learning a new language. They can learn. I believe it's a Star Trek universe out there. Vary simular as the show. At least i hope. And Hope no Ferengi's in our area, lol.

Hollywood always plays alien's as some sort of monsters. That could not be true. They would have to be simular in shape and form. First, they would have to have hands of a sort. So they can have dextairity to be able to create things, electronic's, solder parts, hold things. Eye's so see perifrial vision wise. Up right walking as we evolved. Not monsters like the "Alien" movie. You think that thing could build a ship?. No. Even the "ET" movie would not be right. Those finger's would not have the dextairity to do this. They would have to be simular to us, i'm sure of that. I'm sure you all are catching what i'm talking about. Just thought i would put in my thoughts on this, lol.

earthman

Fore
03-05-2013, 07:11 PM
Since no one has actually been off-world to see the universe...

No one knows what is true or false if it hasn't happened in our immediate (mostly atmospheric) surroundings. We human beings can come up with some crazy ideas of how we think things should be. We have no actual idea of how they really are.

Someone listening in can pretty much play into that.

I know one thing in my contact experience has enlightened me about. They know the authors of UFO literature by First and Last name. They know what we think, what we wish to see and what most of us expect.

When it is time, we will very likely see a combination of what collective of Human Ignorance can accomplish. Neither knowing any better and far too willing to accept what we see and hear.

If we want to speak in terms of formulas, they can do that.
If we want to see human like ET's among their representation, they have that covered.
If we want to embrace some popular notions that many "like or fancy" for psychological reasons, they have that covered.
If we have millenias of beliefs, they can depict themselves within those confines or roles. "Better yet", they will rewrite it and add to our ignorance of reality around us.

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The pre-existing condition of the individual, determines the effectiveness of the message.

Disclosure is likely to be a double edged sword. If they don't need our chiefs anymore, they will contrive a false disclosure with their testimony and have human beings behead them.

When human governments are convicted there will be a pressing need for more secure governance. That is all covered in the messages at the beginning, no doubt.

Those who perpetuate a contrary idea within the fabric of altered consciousness will very likely find themselves beheaded as well by popular opinion of what is considered true and all different manner of half truths.

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Anyway, beware of assuming things. You might just find a fabricator of other worldly origins willing to fulfill it.

There will be brainwashing on a scale never attempted before. Truth turns into fiction, and fiction into truth. If you rely on your sight to determine what is true, you are doomed. If you rely on intellectual approaches to problem solving you will find yourself confounded and amazed. If you want something untrue, you will find it within their embrace.

whoknows
03-05-2013, 08:46 PM
:doh:responded to the wrong post lol the one I posted is so not germane!

earthman
03-05-2013, 09:03 PM
Recently i spoke with an old friend who has had contact and it falls in line with what Fore has said for a while now and what Dr Greer was saying in the Joe Rogan interview. So there is many ET's out there. Some like i was explaining in my previous post and what my friend was talking about. I totally believe her. They seem to like her and have spoke with here on many occasions. It will be hard for these ET's to make contact because there in a differant form then the other ones out there like the tall white's and Greys. These seem to be diminsional of a sort. She knew nothing of things like Dr Greer and places like this explaining such stuff. And when she explained what happened, i knew it had to be true. I would put her story here but i will wait intill she is ready to do this. I expect it with in 2 months, sorry. This is truely an amazing story about who they are and there possible contact. But i have to wait untill she is ready. I can't explain why yet but soon.

earthman

Lee
03-05-2013, 11:15 PM
One thing to consider is that Disclosure may not nessecarily lead to Contact. My feeling is that if our visitors wanted open contact they could initiate it at any time. Quite probably they have nothing to benefit from publicly acknowleged contact. Some groups may actually have much to lose.

My own feeling is that the masses will take Disclosure (or Contact) in their stride. It will be big news, a talking point for a few weeks and then become just another specialized area of interest. (Just as it is now.) This based on the level of interest I see from people in my own social life.

Most likely the real problems will stem from the institutions of the world, and there we may well see some big issues. Hopefully those charged with keeping the secret have already done much of the work preparing the worlds institutions for the shock of Disclosure

Fore
03-06-2013, 01:58 PM
My own feeling is that the masses will take Disclosure (or Contact) in their stride. It will be big news, a talking point for a few weeks and then become just another specialized area of interest. (Just as it is now.) This based on the level of interest I see from people in my own social life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJbh8B5AVU

I hope you are right. Lets see if these particular aliens sources whom were witnessed by these insiders ever had any talks about what is coming down the pike.

Then again, is there any incentive for ET's to tell insiders anything?

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I would not be surprised if various governments around the Earth have probably known long in advance what is coming down the pike. I'd imagine they know they are unwillingly going to take the fall to a superior agenda. That their populations will turn against them due to higher-end propaganda.

I think the disclosure means different things for different people in different roles. I have always imagined some of the faithful government officials are probably out and about trying to minimize the damage caused by disclosure; while others are just trying to get out of the way so a patsy government gets the blame for the whole affair.

I still recall how one of the ETs mentioned numerous different plans Human groups had been building for some time. This is just some of the rats fleeing a sinking titanic. Different people, different knowledge bases, different responses to the dilemmas facing them.

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Disclosure is a "mind game" when you can't verify the accuracy of a given set of information by any particular party. The only solid truth is that "they are coming" and "soon". What anyone does do in the face of that knowledge is anyones guess.

Some hide, some cooperate, some decide to put up a meager fight with absolute knowledge they will lose anyway, some stay behind to face the music and others try to minimize the damage to the population in what amounts to futility. I remember the candid stories I heard from one [nordic] ET, everyone knows at the end of the day there is very little they can do to stop it.

I still remember the echos of the sentiments as they described both good and bad people acting and planning out all sorts of remedies.

All you can do is try to "create order out of the chaos" as the authority switches hands (unwillingly). I recall one of the taller Greys used to say that all of the time.

Disclosure and Contact is going to be a day of solemn defeat and anguish for those that know what is really happening. For those in the public that don't, it is a day or mixed elation and grief if the scenarios of transition pan out the way they were described.

Those that are coming already have figures within their mind of how high the death toll will be and how they can hide it midst the chaos. Keeping a human population alive is not their priority from what I recall.

Sometimes I can almost understand the need for secrecy. I can only imagine someone trying their hardest to keep the public from finding out by putting their fingers in the crack of the dam. Once the knowledge that they exist is made certain, there is no reason for the ETs to hide anymore.

That is when it all starts to unravel.

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Do yourselves a favor and as soon as you see Palpable and substantial Public Disclosure of them occurring, call up your friends and family and keep them with you at all times. Talk to them and keep them within eyesight at all times because the ET scenarios on suicide are sizeable but "acceptable" by their standard.

To get through a New Order they have to step on some eggshells that bleed red.

Personally, I am dead set against it. It makes me cringe to see the agenda creeping forwards anymore.

Doc
03-06-2013, 04:16 PM
President Obama to Announce Planet X?

A leading expert on Planet X (inbound) will be on Coast-to-Coast AM radio TONIGHT (11pm PST).

by Christopher Rudy (http://www.heartcom.org/MyWebSites.htm)

OK, this is one for you 'Real Men' who prefer the WHOLE TRUTH, no matter how fearsome it may be.

I'm referring to the 'Straight Skinny on the Deep DooDoo'... the big 'elephant in the room' that is ignored in the mainstream media. Few are the 'Real Men' in the mainstream media (including Alpha Females) who have the balls to 'cuss and discuss' this highly censored subject.

The leading expert on Planet X I'm referring to is Gordon Gianninoto who I've hosted on my Cosmic Love talk show twice. After the first show, the producer of Coast-to-Coast AM contacted me to get Gordon for C2C, featuring Gordon for 3 hours on November 18th, 2010. Gordon will be on for another 3 hours tonight, interviewed by George Noory.

An estimated 4.5 million listeners tune in to Coast-to-Coast each night. A unique factor tonight is that Mars is aligned with Mercury on the heels of the Full Moon Energies yesterday (http://www.heartcom.org/FullMoon.htm). It's a volatile mix, both hypersensitivity and obsessive-compulsive 'tendencies'. So if you tune in to C2C, be cool - no fear.

It's all in cosmic order. Political BS is another matter:)

Gordon graduated at the top of his High School and Law school classes. Then he 'connected' on a higher level with numerous personal experiences of the UFO kind, being debriefed for many years on 'The Coming Pole Shift (http://poleshift.ning.com/)'.

According to Gordon, President Obama is about to make a public statement about 'Planet X' because we will ALL be seeing it in the sky before long. Believe It Or Not (http://www.heartcom.org/BelieveOrNot.htm), those 'Real Men' who get a grip on this reality now will be able to keep their heads while others are losing theirs.

The question is whether Obama will be leveraging the 'fear factor' for public compliance with 'emergency footing' to secure the public, or leveraging fear to coerce a draconian Martial Law scenario to take our guns and leave us defenseless, go after pesky patriots, and utilize those FEMA camps that have been ostensibly built nationwide.

As I said, 'Real Men' would rather be well-armed with the WHOLE TRUTH (http://www.heartcom.org/2012Alignment.htm) that the talking-head actors on the boob tube aren't scripted to tell you.

Realize that the 'unintended consequence' of Obama's gun control campaign has been frantic gun-buying, just as the blow-back for all Fed-gov. 'external control' -- for suppressing individual and State sovereignty -- has been more public demand for freedom from federal police state 'mission creep'.

The public wants more TRANSPARENCY as Obama originally promised.

Will President Obama announce Planet X?

Interesting Times. Be Strong. Stay Tuned!

via Christopher Rudy

boppie
03-06-2013, 11:12 PM
Hey, Doc...

Was wondering if 'the insiders' were anyone that might be hiding in 'plain sight'? You know, people we might know or recognize that may be out in the open but keeping a juicy secret.

Neuru
03-07-2013, 12:24 AM
@Doc, about the site that was linked in the article you posted here... I found some parts (not all) of it heavily reminiscent of Time Cube (http://www.timecube.com/), except for the smaller fonts and nicer background, anyone else here feel the same?;)

CasperParks
03-07-2013, 12:34 AM
:zip:

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

(sarcastic humor)

Doc
03-07-2013, 05:27 AM
@Doc, about the site that was linked in the article you posted here... I found some parts (not all) of it heavily reminiscent of Time Cube (http://www.timecube.com/), except for the smaller fonts and nicer background, anyone else here feel the same?;)

They appear similar to me also. I know nothing about Time Cube and Christopher Rudy is a relatively new acquaintance to me. Somehow I got on his mailing list and his work and releases are interesting--his usual topics are not exactly the sort of thing I usually explore--but interesting nevertheless. Maybe someone who is more familiar with these sources can shed some light on it?

Doc
03-07-2013, 06:06 AM
Hey, Doc...

Was wondering if 'the insiders' were anyone that might be hiding in 'plain sight'? You know, people we might know or recognize that may be out in the open but keeping a juicy secret.

As far as I know there is a mix of people--known and not so well known among the insiders behind Disclosure Lite. I can say with more certainty that we're expecting that the people coming forward are well known; some well known in the US and some in their own countries, if not here. Some are known worldwide. Once again we are in a position of having to read between the lines (one of the other guys will correct me if I am too far off base) but one of the reasons this is expected to be successful is that the people coming forward are widely recognized and not usually associated with UFOlogy or related topics.

If you have followed this for some time you probably could come up with some names of people who would be involved in negotiating and designing a disclosure initiative. If you started with the fields they represent; industry, military, government, intelligence then think of the names associated with serious discussions of disclosure over the years, most of us onlookers would come up with a few of the same names. That may not be exactly "hiding in plain sight" but it is something like it. An example would be when the names of the original MJ-12 were first released, most of them were the people in the positions you would expect to be called on for that sort of thing. (Assuming any of that is true, of course.) If that is true, then the people who would be involved today would be whoever is similarly placed.

Doc
03-07-2013, 06:10 AM
:zip:

Nothing to see here folks, move along...

(sarcastic humor)

They do like to always build in some deniability. :bleh:

CasperParks
03-07-2013, 06:53 AM
James Fox on the Citizen Hearing


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJv3h_lQYUg

Published on Mar 5, 2013

An event of historical implications will be held at the National Press Club in Washington, DC from April 29 to May 3, 2013. At that time forty plus researchers and military/agency witnesses will testify for thirty hours over five days before former members of the United States Congress. The Citizen Hearing on Disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race will attempt to accomplish what the Congress has failed to do for forty-five years - seek out the facts surrounding the most important issue of this or any other time.


Citizen Hearing website (http://www.citizenhearing.org/) - Citizen Hearing Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/user/CitizenHearing/videos?view=0)

CasperParks
03-07-2013, 06:55 AM
I know Citizen Hearing has been raised in the past. Any old or new thoughts on it?

earthman
03-07-2013, 02:48 PM
Could be another part of the Lite program.

earthman

Garuda
03-07-2013, 03:21 PM
Could be another part of the Lite program.

earthman

I doubt it. Or at least not directly: the Citizen Hearings is an initiative of Steve Bassett, who is an 'outsider' to the MIEC.

The Disclosure Lite Program has to do with people who in their work have been exposed to certain information and are volunteering that knowledge.

But then again, it is perfectly possible that the Citizen Hearings will offer a platform for people who are part of the Disclosure Lite Program.

earthman
03-07-2013, 03:57 PM
Yea, that is pretty well what i ment. I'm sure they didn't arange this hearing. Just some of the folks that will be there could be a part of it. Will be interesting to listen to.

earthman

Longeyes
03-07-2013, 07:51 PM
I see Dick French is one of the witnesses will be interested to see what he says. He should get some more of his books printed they are impossible to get hold of

Chris
03-07-2013, 07:53 PM
As far as I know there is a mix of people--known and not so well known among the insiders behind Disclosure Lite. I can say with more certainty that we're expecting that the people coming forward are well known; some well known in the US and some in their own countries, if not here. Some are known worldwide. Once again we are in a position of having to read between the lines (one of the other guys will correct me if I am too far off base) but one of the reasons this is expected to be successful is that the people coming forward are widely recognized and not usually associated with UFOlogy or related topics.

If you have followed this for some time you probably could come up with some names of people who would be involved in negotiating and designing a disclosure initiative. If you started with the fields they represent; industry, military, government, intelligence then think of the names associated with serious discussions of disclosure over the years, most of us onlookers would come up with a few of the same names. That may not be exactly "hiding in plain sight" but it is something like it. An example would be when the names of the original MJ-12 were first released, most of them were the people in the positions you would expect to be called on for that sort of thing. (Assuming any of that is true, of course.) If that is true, then the people who would be involved today would be whoever is similarly placed.
Very well put, Doc.

At least some of the people involved directly within the group have had previous associations with the field of ufology. The people being selected to make statements concerning their experiences and personal knowledge of the subject matter have not had this association. In fact, it is a criteria for those being selected to discuss this in public.

The next people to speak out will be well known and it should be self-evident that their statements are a part of the Disclosure Lite program.

CasperParks
03-08-2013, 01:10 AM
Placed this news article link in Disclosure Lite.


European Porn Ban: EU Proposal Seeks To Regulate Internet, Ban 'All Pornography In The Media'. Read more at Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/european-porn-ban-proposal-regulate-internet-pornography-media_n_2828633.html?show_comment_id=235391620#com ment_235391620).

Much of this was discussed in the forum.

Theory: "Disclosure fast approaching there is an effort to clean-up societies’ behaviors. During the process of interaction that went on in secret, they were given an ultimatum. Perhaps, informed to become a member of “whatever alliance” changes are expected. Also, to be welcome among the heavens certain changes are needed.

The Arab Spring that is ongoing, changing of the guard with the Pope. Gun laws in the United States playing catch-up with other nations. Not to forget the long drawn-out war on drugs and other stuff. There is a danger of Religious Laws. Rampant greed of corporations and their stranglehold is another part of what is going on behind the scenes. Who will be at the top when it happens, thinking they will have an advantage over everyone else."

Speculation will not end in the years following Disclosure.

Theorizing are tools to finds answers.

Do not yield Freewill, giving unto the Change and becoming as they are. Do what is right not because it is forced - do it for self-respect, love of others and honor.


"There are none righteous, no not one." Romans 3:10

Humans will stumble and fall, it is a learning experience. Get back up, move-past-it and try not repeating mistakes.

Robert_Fay
03-13-2013, 10:01 AM
What if aliens uncloak and reveal that we are nothing more than a simulation, that the universe does not extend beyond the solar system, and that they are just computer avatars inserted by the programmers to interact with us. That there is no escape from our simulation because we are products of it, that the programmers are getting angry with how things are going here, and that they're about to pull the plug on the whole thing. Except maybe they'll save the data files of just over a hundred thousand characters that they've grown to like, which they'll use to seed Universe 2.0 ...

That's the kind of crazy stuff we have to be prepared to deal with, if we want full disclosure of everything. We may get more than we bargained for. It doesn't have to be exactly like the above scenario. Just that a different secret of an equally mind-blowing order, may be what aliens absolutely refuse to reveal. The secret could be why they never say exactly and truthfully who and what they are, and why they come up with any story other than that one, to pacify us for as long as they can. They're hiding something, the question is what.


Montalk,

This is an interesting take on things.

... the programmers are getting angry with how things are going here, and that they're about to pull the plug on the whole thing.

I just had this link sent to me. It deals with a 2010 interview, so i suppose most here will know it as old news:
DULCE INTERVIEW - Anthony Sanchez interviews Colonel X (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&highlight=)
http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&highlight=

The transcript is long, but interesting. I am pointing to it because it shows how the control of our world is done through the central-banking, fiat-money systems Because of the controllers who manipulate everything. This specifically Includes the cover-up and hiding of disclosure. This is what is happening now, most probably; as is alluded to in the interview.

Those in control are detailed in the interview ... those who are the "Illuminati" types and their genetic background as third-generation hybrids now integrated into the population.

The interview with Colonel X, it is stated that some race of beings from Sirius (called the Progenitors by greys) arrived on Mars because their home world got destroyed. Mars then got hit by an asteroid; and they had to come to Earth where they couldn't deal with the Sun's heat and the electromagnetic effects on they skin and systems. SO, they produced an offspring (Anu) [and Also produced the Greys to be their servants]

These Anu then went on to engineer themselves into another form who could better deal with the changing climate of Earth (Austra Albus). These new 'offspring' still couldn't do well with the EM environment of Earth and its dry air, so they hybridized the native Earth hominid such that this new "human" could interbreed with them, the Austra Albus. [There are no longer any Austra Albus left and haven't been for 10's of thousands of years]. Supposedly they, the Austra Albus, had long faces and sharp angular features and very big eyes (many colors: violet, gray, green, hazel, blue) with no white surrounding them. {Some might want to guess they looked reptilian, which would match with their needing moisture in the air.}

The result of the inbreeding with the hybridized hominids (humans) became, supposedly, the overlords of ancient history and now the ruling families of the money world generally identified as the "Illuminati".

My point is that: all of what we have to learn about from this interview is what i call the Thwarting of our world. This Thwarting is going away now. It has been discovered that the whole of the illusion was very much like you suggest, a sims game. It was for some authority who wanted to better understand itself by having a place that was slowed down so it could study the expression\Experience and could See&Be. It wanted this so it could observe and participate, and from that understand more.

Then it forgot it had ordered this up and never showed up for a very long time, and this place had to survive and not evaporate like fog; and so the system required that survival be caused to happen. Thwarting produced the most energy-containment through producing emotional-distress, and so the "fog" of expression got more solid and stayed in the state of expression.

The upshot of All this is that Thwarting became the prime directive, the root and core "Contract", under which the whole of the illusion was overshadowed.

Now, the thing that wanted to better understand itself has done so and seen that Thwarting is a stupid pain in the butt and directed that it go away, Along with the whole of the what i call the 'old-story' script. Instead of a play re-write, the authority has directed that the old sim be replaced with what i have come to call the NEW STORY where there is no Thwarting thoughtform, no Thwarting dynamic at play. This means that the thoughtform concept of Thwarting, all that is hidden, has to be processed away.

Processing means that it, as solid stuff of the E = MC2 state of energy, gets changed back to the (primordial un-manifest) Free Flowing state of energy that is the natural resting state (state not in expression) of energy in real-dimensions.

So, what this means is that all the Thwarting of any visitors will no longer be effecting our stage.

[A blog post Category that addresses this is: http://bit.ly/Answer-Planet-PROLOGUE ]
{or just see the isolated post: http://eductivefuturegroup.com/2013/02/08/answer-planet-prologue/}

In my mind this means that the wars promoted by the central-banking system and the fiat-money that is used to promote all of this conflict stuff will go away.

It seems many nations want a reset. They want value-backed money without the fiat-money system. They want to cancel all the debt stuff caused by the central banking system of old, globally. A global reset, if you will. That means bankers don't get to buy politicians and corporations and cause for emotional-distress by the games they play.

All this stuff mentioned in the links, below, will unwind and not be an issue any longer, eventually:
“Wealth Inequality in America (http://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM)”: http://youtu.be/QPKKQnijnsM
“Human Farming - Our Enslavement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0Alh_K-ow)”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea0Alh_K-ow
“The End of Europe (http://youtu.be/UYtbEJfQtDI)”: http://youtu.be/UYtbEJfQtDI
“The End Of Sovereign America (http://youtu.be/x2db-RPD9F8)”: http://youtu.be/x2db-RPD9F8

If this makes any sense for you, then good.
It is the best i have got to offer as a connection point to take off from your keen insight into things.
Thanks for you post, as it gave me a chance to run my mouth and probably get into trouble here for being off topic, again. Damn. I hate that when it happens. ROTFL

I will leave you with my best effort at wry humor to bring some levity here.
And with that, may I once again raise a toast to Mirthful Irreverence Everywhere.

CasperParks
03-18-2013, 04:28 AM
Just a thought, the new Pope is a scientist. At the time of disclosure a Pope with a strong science background very convenient.

Longeyes
03-18-2013, 10:57 AM
Will pandora open her box this week? I for one certainly hope so

Chris
03-18-2013, 04:33 PM
Will pandora open her box this week? I for one certainly hope so

I'm going to try and get an update this week.

newyorklily
03-19-2013, 11:38 PM
Is this the next Disclosure Lite release? http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/3853971679.html

Petrus Romanus Authors Claim Vatican is Preparing for E.T. Savior
The Authors of Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope is Here, Claim the Vatican Is Preparing for Official Disclosure -- the Imminent and Authorized Public Admission by World Governments of Advanced Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Contact: Donna Anderson, 417-723-0610

GRESHAM, Ore., March 19, 2013 /Christian Newswire/ (http://www.christiannewswire.com/) -- In an explosive new investigative report to be released today titled Exo-Vaticana, authors Thomas Horn and Cris Putnam offer compelling evidence that the Vatican is positioning itself as a religious authority in anticipation of the imminent disclosure by world governments of the existence of extraterrestrial life.

The authors -- whose last book "Petrus Romanus: The Final Pope Is Here" correctly predicted one year in advance that Pope Benedict XVI would resign and that a new Pope of Italian descent would take his place -- now outline a host of statements from Vatican astronomers, some of which the authors interviewed and visited with at the Vatican Astronomical Technology Telescope (VATT) on Mt. Graham in Arizona. The bizarre testimonies confirm a growing belief that disclosure may be made in the near future of alien life, including intelligent life, and that this encounter will not challenge the authority of the Roman Catholic Church.

Now, only days after the election of the first Jesuit pope -- Pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Pope Francis) -- Horn and Putnam claim in Exo-Vaticana that these Vatican astronomers are developing theological arguments concerning extraterrestrial intelligence that could have a dramatic impact on the faith of the world's 2.3 billion Catholics and Protestants.

"The Jesuits and members of Opus Dei have written in the form of official church theology brand new doctrinal papers, which we're publishing, that I think are absolutely going to shock the world," Horn says.

To keep reading this breaking story please visitwww.raidersnewsupdate.com/ExoVaticana.htm (http://www.raidersnewsupdate.com/ExoVaticana.htm)

Lee
03-20-2013, 12:00 AM
Very Interesting!

Thanks for the head up, Lil. Definitely one to keep an eye on.

Doc
03-20-2013, 12:15 AM
I have been hearing for years that the Catholic Church is positioning itself so as not to get burned by Disclosure. They don't do things hastily and they don't make too many wrong moves politically...

CasperParks
03-21-2013, 01:37 AM
I think this video was posted in another thread somewhere. It seems to fit here.


At 1:14 on the time bar, Edgar Dean Mitchell begins speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI
Published on Feb 14, 2013

Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, he spent nine hours working on the lunar surface in the Fra Mauro Highlands region, making him the sixth person to walk on the Moon. Here he explains the UFO Cover-Up in less than five minutes. Item used is an extract from the documentary film "The Phoenix Lights, We Are Not Alone."

Longeyes
03-21-2013, 10:29 AM
Awesome the kind of clip you wish everyone would watch.
As I recently heard quoted from a wise red Indian elder 'We are only one people on this planet - Humanity' and the sooner we realise it the better. This planet will end up like Mars if we aren't careful. We don't have long as soon as China becomes ascendent we all shafted there will be no press freedom and tyranny will be the overwhelming force on the planet.

Chris
03-22-2013, 11:47 PM
I thought this would be a good place to post the long "lost" Disney produced documentary regarding UFOs and the alien presence:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-gP51lssbg&amp;feature=youtu.be

A99
03-23-2013, 01:47 AM
I understand. Thank-you. So many of us knew it even before (fill in the space). This is all I wanted to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAu3a7CMA84

CasperParks
03-23-2013, 01:53 AM
Disney produced documentary regarding UFOs and the alien presence

The film referred to aliens as “extraterrestrial missionaries” that had died at Roswell NM crash.

A number of times, they used “playful” in regards to UFO encounters. Word sinister was used in reference to cover-ups.

Also, film made reference regarding abductions that “they” (described Greys) had reached a point of no longer being able to reproduce.

Narrator stated, “As Disney prepares the public for their alien encounter”.

Upside pyramid symbol at Disney’s Tomorrow Land as part of their logo.

Chris
03-24-2013, 04:15 PM
Steve Hammons has written an article on this very subject:

Friday, March 22, 2013 Year of UFOs, 1952, may play role in Disney movie ‘Tomorrowland’ (http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/2013/03/year-of-ufo-developments-1952-may-play.html) By Steve Hammons

The Disney movie currently under development, “Tomorrowland,” has been surrounded by a few mysteries.

“Tomorrowland” was originally titled “1952” and the story was rumored to be related to an old storage box found at the Disney studios. The box was labeled “1952” and contained photos, books and other items related to Walt Disney’s activities.

There was speculation that the movie could be about long-standing claims by Disney insiders that high-ranking U.S. officials approached Walt Disney in the ‘50s to make a film about the realities of UFOs, intelligent visitors from elsewhere and related aspects of the situation.

Coincidentally, another old cardboard storage box was recently in the news in connection with UFOs, the Roswell incident and extraterrestrial visitation.

Chase Brandon, a 35-year veteran of the CIA and the agency’s liaison to Hollywood and the publishing world, went public with a claim that he found a storage box at CIA headquarters. Brandon stated that the contents of the box convinced him the Roswell case really did involve a crashed extraterrestrial spacecraft.


“Tomorrowland” writer Damon Lindelof, director Brad Bird and star George Clooney have not revealed details of the story publicly. Of course, some elements of the movie could still be evolving. More recent reports indicate that “Tomorrowland” may not be about UFOs and intelligent visitors at all.




Read the rest of the article at:

http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/2013/03/year-of-ufo-developments-1952-may-play.html

CasperParks
03-24-2013, 05:50 PM
Steve Hammons has written an article on this very subject:

Friday, March 22, 2013 Year of UFOs, 1952, may play role in Disney movie ‘Tomorrowland’ (http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/2013/03/year-of-ufo-developments-1952-may-play.html) By Steve Hammons

The Disney movie currently under development, “Tomorrowland,” has been surrounded by a few mysteries.

“Tomorrowland” was originally titled “1952” and the story was rumored to be related to an old storage box found at the Disney studios. The box was labeled “1952” and contained photos, books and other items related to Walt Disney’s activities.

There was speculation that the movie could be about long-standing claims by Disney insiders that high-ranking U.S. officials approached Walt Disney in the ‘50s to make a film about the realities of UFOs, intelligent visitors from elsewhere and related aspects of the situation.

Coincidentally, another old cardboard storage box was recently in the news in connection with UFOs, the Roswell incident and extraterrestrial visitation.

Chase Brandon, a 35-year veteran of the CIA and the agency’s liaison to Hollywood and the publishing world, went public with a claim that he found a storage box at CIA headquarters. Brandon stated that the contents of the box convinced him the Roswell case really did involve a crashed extraterrestrial spacecraft.

“Tomorrowland” writer Damon Lindelof, director Brad Bird and star George Clooney have not revealed details of the story publicly. Of course, some elements of the movie could still be evolving. More recent reports indicate that “Tomorrowland” may not be about UFOs and intelligent visitors at all.

Read the rest of the article at:

http://jointreconstudygroup.blogspot.com/2013/03/year-of-ufo-developments-1952-may-play.html


That Disney UFO documentary pops up and now this.

Doc
03-24-2013, 08:58 PM
That Disney UFO documentary pops up and now this.

I think there is a good chance that there is significance to the recent renewed interest and buzz about the Disney UFO documentary story at the present time.

Robert_Fay
03-25-2013, 04:43 AM
I am pretty sure you have all seen this January 6, 2010 post in the Imaginative Worlds (http://imaginativeworlds.com/) blogsite:

DULCE INTERVIEW - Anthony Sanchez interviews Colonel X (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&)

The article is long, but it provided me with a rundown that sounded real, knowledgeable and truthful.
For me it was very useful.

I copied the interview and reformatted it as double columned in a Garamond Type font for easier reading.
You can get this here (as doc or docx or PDF) if you want to: https://www.box.com/s/g6k2jrx3alrlpnshqcfd

Doc
03-25-2013, 05:11 PM
Great interview. Thanks for posting it and making the other formats available.

Chris
03-26-2013, 07:47 PM
So, out of the blue, the FBI decides to highlight the Guy Hottel memo today:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/march/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo

whoknows
03-26-2013, 07:51 PM
I found that curious as well.

Robert_Fay
04-01-2013, 09:18 AM
Great interview. Thanks for posting it and making the other formats available.

Thank you, Doc, for the encouragement. It is long, but very full of information that fleshes out a picture that makes sense to me. I am glad someone made use of the box link (https://www.box.com/s/g6k2jrx3alrlpnshqcfd) to download the re-formatted doc. or pdf files i made of the site interview in double column format. I just couldn't read the site interview. I kept getting lost.

Did you, or has anyone else found the interview to be as useful as did i?
.

Robert_Fay
04-01-2013, 01:48 PM
.

The reason i posted this video is because the DULCE INTERVIEW - Anthony Sanchez interviews Colonel (http://imaginativeworlds.com/forum/showthread.php?22933-DULCE-INTERVIEW-Anthony-Sanchez-interviews-Colonel-X&)details that the Moon has bases built by the Greys (that are now Earthbound and can no longer afford to go to their old haunts because of their dwindling numbers) who left much technology there for whomever gets there first to retrieve it.


(http://youtu.be/C98B4PqyPJo)Lunar Resort: Russia plans to build observatory, lab on Moon (http://youtu.be/C98B4PqyPJo)
http://youtu.be/C98B4PqyPJo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C98B4PqyPJo&amp;feature=em-uploademail


However, the above video happens to mention that the USA is going to Mars (which is also mentioned in the Dulce Interview), and this is curious for me as to why.

My guess is that the USA is hoping to get to Mars to gather the intel and information and any artifacts left there by the original inhabitants (the Progenitors as the Greys call them per the Dulce Interview) before they abandoned Mars, as documented in the Dulce Interview.

Doc
04-01-2013, 05:45 PM
Thank you, Doc, for the encouragement. It is long, but very full of information that fleshes out a picture that makes sense to me. I am glad someone made use of the box link (https://www.box.com/s/g6k2jrx3alrlpnshqcfd) to download the re-formatted doc. or pdf files i made of the site interview in double column format. I just couldn't read the site interview. I kept getting lost.

Did you, or has anyone else found the interview to be as useful as did i?
.

I found it very useful. So much has been written about Dulce over the years that was sensationalized and ultimately wore public interest out I believe something important is involved in the Dulce stories. This interview gives many details and offers may directions for further research and investigation. One of the best uses of The OutPost Forum is as a place to gather all these interviews/points of view for analysis and discussion.

Doc
04-01-2013, 06:33 PM
So, out of the blue, the FBI decides to highlight the Guy Hottel memo today:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2013/march/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo/ufos-and-the-guy-hottel-memo

Robert Morningstar reports (reactions to follow):

Congratulations to Michael Cohen & Victor Martinez (and VM list) for breaking this story almost a year ago.

I was pleased to see it covered with due seriousness by CNN a couple of days ago, noting that this memo (with over a million hits) has outstripped all others in the "FBI Vault," an electronic reading room, accessible through the FBI website (fbi.gov (http://fbi.gov)).


Here is an important statement from Michael Cohen's original article:


<Sources within the government have informed this publication that a 'soft' or 'back-handed' UFO disclosure is the strategy the US heads of intelligence have chosen rather than a big statement that leaves the public dazed. This new evidence is remarkable and seems like a hint dropped on the road to open contact.>



Kudos to Clay and Shawn Pickering for having kept us "in the loop."



I've attached a copy of the Hottel Memo


Happy Easter to all,


Robert M*



Victor Martinez wrote:



I want the consenting opinion/advice of others on this short list ...
that memo sure SOUNDS like it's talking about Roswell, NOT the "Scully
Hoax." I'll REtract it IF Michael Cohen and The Daily Mail do, too! –


------------------------------------------------------------------------


-----Original Message-----
From: Victor Martinez <VictorGM@webtv.net>
To: KayWilson <KayWilson@alienjigsaw.com>
Cc:
Sent: Sat, Apr 9, 2011 6:38 pm

Subject: The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell'... released online by the FBI

UFO and PARANORMAL NEWS: ROSWELL UFO CRASH: Remarkable New BOMBSHELL
Disclosure!
/
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page1199999531.php

BREAKING DISCLOSURE BOMBSHELL: Here is THE memo, written by the Special
Agent in Charge of the Washington Field Office to the FBI Director on
March 22, 1950, stating the following:

"An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying
saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being
circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in
diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only
three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each
body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by
speed flyers and test pilots.

"According to Mr. [redacted] informant, the saucers were found in New
Mexico due to the fact that the Government has a very high-powered radar
set-up in that area and it is believed the radar interferes with the
controlling mechanism of the saucers. No further evaluation was
attempted by SA [redacted] concerning the above."

QuestionS? MICHAEL COHEN at:

M.Cohen@allnewsweb.com <mailto:M.Cohen@allnewsweb.com>
------------------------------------------
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375203/The-memo-proves-aliens-landed-Roswell--released-online-FBI.htm (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375203/The-memo-proves-aliens-landed-Roswell--released-online-FBI.html)

boppie
04-01-2013, 09:28 PM
Did the Russians get permission from whoever is already there on the moon?

CasperParks
04-01-2013, 10:22 PM
Disclosure is picking up speed.

I can taste it, bitter sweet.

Chris
04-02-2013, 01:13 AM
It sure seems like something is heading our way...

rdunk
04-11-2013, 10:00 PM
Is this possibly the next step?? There is a news article just released, reporting that a "Citizen's Hearing on Disclosure" is scheduled to take place April 29 thru May 3. A former Congress woman will lead the panel, and will be joined with five other former representatives of Congress.

Here is the article:

Next frontier for Cheeks Kilpatrick: Panel exploring existence of alien life.

Washington — A group hoping to prove alien contact with Earth has tapped former U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick to help convince the federal government to acknowledge the existence of extraterrestrials.

The Detroit Democrat and mother to former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick will help preside over 30 hours of congressional-style hearings April 29 to May 3 at Washington's National Press Club. She did not respond to calls for comment.

Dubbed the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, the public panel pledges to expose evidence of "extraterrestrial vehicles" and a government effort to deny sightings of such craft commonly called UFOs.

Stephen Bassett, executive director of the Bethesda, Md.-based Paradigm Research Group that is hosting the hearings, said he sought former members of Congress to interview dozens of witnesses in a style that harkens back to their work peppering witnesses in congressional hearings.

"I had invitations out to about 50 former members who I thought were likely candidates to participate, and Congresswoman Kilpatrick was the first one to respond," Bassett said.

Kilpatrick became a U.S. representative in 1997 but lost her seat to Hansen Clarke after a 2010 primary challenge.

Kilpatrick will be joined by five other former members of Congress for the hearings. Each will be paid about $20,000 and their expenses will be covered, Bassett said.

Joining Kilpatrick on the bipartisan panel are ex-Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska (Democrat and more recently Libertarian), as well as former Reps. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., Darlene Hooley, D-Ore., Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., and Merrill Cook, R-Utah.

The chosen panel members weren't required to believe in aliens or a government cover-up, but pledged to keep an open mind.

"I made it clear to them that I am unlikely to be persuaded," Utah's Cook told the Salt Lake Tribune. "Extraterrestrial life? I can buy into that as a possibility, but to this day I have not heard or read or seen anything that makes me believe that anyone has encountered one on Earth."

The Paradigm Research Group disagrees. "We've been tracking these (extraterrestrial) crafts for decades," Bassett said. The evidence is "overwhelming — beyond any reasonable doubt there's an extraterrestrial presence (and) almost certainly from another planet," he said.

The five days of testimony are to be filmed and included in a documentary.

Bassett started the Paradigm Research Group, a lobbying organization, in 1996 urging the government to reveal evidence of extraterrestrials engaging the human race.

The organization collected enough signatures from fellow alien believers on a White House citizen petition Web page in 2011 to generate an official response.

"The U.S. government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race," Phil Larson, from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, wrote in response to the petition. "In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public's eye."

The Wall Street Journal devoted part of a 2011 article on the White House's "We the People" petition project to Paradigm Research Group.

Bassett said he hopes the hearings will generate enough attention for the government to change its mind.

"There is a government policy of denial," Bassett said. "And once that policy ends, we are going to learn the truth about this phenomenon pretty quickly."

mschultz@detroitnews.com

(202) 662-8736

Twitter: @marisa_schu

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130411/POLITICS02/304110362#ixzz2QBdQZH1R

southerncross
04-13-2013, 12:34 AM
Any information on who will be testifying and where those testimonies can be viewed when available ?

Telhuine
04-13-2013, 01:42 AM
I ran a quick internet search and found the orgs website... http://www.citizenhearing.org/

There is a "Witnesses" tab at the top, as well as a "Documentary" tab which promises to provide more info when available.

Doc
04-13-2013, 04:46 PM
Robert Morningstar forwards this under the heading "Disclosure":

Be sure to read it all at the link below.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/07/tiny-alien-humanoid-among_n_3017854.html


'Sirius,' Steven Greer's Film, Claims To Unveil Tiny 'Alien' Humanoid (VIDEO)

By Lee SpeigelPosted: 04/07/2013 9:44 am EDT | Updated: 04/11/2013 6:09 pm EDT




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An upcoming documentary promises to show an alleged, tiny "alien" being that was found a few years ago in Chile's Atacama Desert. And when we say tiny, we're talking six inches from head to ET toe.
Don't be fooled by the apparent size of the creature in the picture above, as the following image shows its true 6-inch stature.
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The film, called "Sirius (http://www.sirius.neverendinglight.com/)," will also depict how readily available forms of alternative energy technology (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10591131.htm) are what extraterrestrials may be using to travel here from the cosmically improbable distances between their home world and ours.
If this is all true, and that's a very big IF, it will certainly answer the ages-old question of whether or not humans are alone in the universe.
The force behind "Sirius" is Steven Greer, a former emergency medical physician. He's actively pursued avenues to get the U.S. government to reveal information about alien reality -- information that the powers-that-be have always maintained doesn't exist.

Doc
04-13-2013, 05:43 PM
More Citizen's Hearing via Filer's Files:



ore information soon. I’ll be speaking at:
Citizen Hearing on Disclosure (http://www.listrocket.com/public/link.php?url=http://www.citizenhearing.org/&lid=84156&uid=2816118&sid=31988&mid=27404) – April 29 to May 3, 2013 – Washington, DC

"IF THE CONGRESS WON'T DO ITS JOB, THE PEOPLE WILL."

Contact (http://www.listrocket.com/public/link.php?url=http://www.citizenhearing.org/contact/&lid=84145&uid=2816118&sid=31988&mid=27404)


"The Citizen Hearing on Disclosure will attempt to accomplish what the U. S. Congress has failed to do for forty-five years."
Stephen Bassett
Political Activist

"I've been asked about UFOs and I've said publicly, I thought they were somebody else, some other civilization."
Eugene Cernan
Apollo 17 Astronaut

"Of course UFOs are real - and they are interplanetary ...The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."
- Lord Dowding
UK Air Chief Marshal

"There is a serious possibility that we are being visited by people from outer space. It behooves us to find out who they are, where they come from, and what they want.”
Admiral Lord-Hill Norton
UK Chief of Defence

"This massive cover-up has been going on for almost six decades since the UFO crash near Roswell, New Mexico in July 1947, an event which was certainly not caused by balloons, as alleged by the U.S. Air force."
Dr. Brian O'Leary
Apollo Astronaut

"The mystery surrounding this crash (at Roswell) has never been adequately explained - not by independent investigators, and not by the U.S. government."
Bill Richardson
Congressman Secretary of Energy
New Mexico Governor
Presidential Candidate

"It is time for the truth to be brought out... Behind the scenes high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying objects are nonsense.... I urge immediate Congressional action to reduce the dangers from secrecy about unidentified flying objects."
Vice Admiral
Roscoe Hillenkoetter
CIA Director

An event with historical implications will be held at the National Press Club in Washington, DC from April 29 to May 3, 2013. At that time as many as forty researchers and military/agency witnesses will testify for thirty hours over five days before former members of the United States Congress.

The Hearing Committee is presently composed of Senator Mike Gravel (Dem/Lib, AK), Congresswomen Darlene Hooley (Dem, OR), Carolyn Kilpatrick, (Dem, MI),Lynn Woolsey (Dem, CA) and Congressman Merrill Cook (Rep, UT). One Additional Committee members may be added.

The Citizen Hearing on Disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race will attempt to accomplish what the Congress has failed to do for forty-five years - seek out the facts surrounding the most important issue of this or any other time.

For this reason the motto for the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure is "If the Congress will not do its job, the people will."Jones Cheryll 1 Citizen Hearing on Disclosure April 29 to May 3, 2013 Washington, DC

Reflecting the global implications of the issue, the entire CHD will be live streamed worldwide in English, Spanish, Arabic, Hindi, Japanese and Mandarin (archive only). This represents approximately one half of the world's population. The live webcast will also include side press conferences with witnesses as well as interviews by former CNN News Anchor Cheryll Jones. The English and Spanish webcast will include evening lectures presented by Hearing witnesses. Access to these webcasts is available via subscription here.

The Citizen Hearing on Disclosure will be filmed as the basis for a forthcoming documentary- Truth Embargo - by Just Cause Entertainment.

The title of this film is fitting as the goal of the Citizen Hearing is nothing less than the end of the extraterrestrial truth embargo this year. The world's people have waited long enough.

Over the coming weeks this site will develop rapidly with new information added daily. Check back often for updates.

This video, which provides a conceptual frame for the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, is available in the following languages: Japanese Chinese French German Spanish

Time lapse footage provided by "Earth Time lapse, Amazon HD" www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfZUtnWVyA (http://www.listrocket.com/public/link.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch_v=IkfZUtnWVyA&lid=84146&uid=2816118&sid=31988&mid=27404) and NASA.

See more videos relating to the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure at the CHD YouTube Channel

Doc
04-13-2013, 05:45 PM
More Citizen's Hearing:

http://www.listrocket.com/ktml2/user/1241_M837Hca3MN/images/uploads/_15_body_1365773342/image_32.jpeg
http://www.listrocket.com/ktml2/user/1241_M837Hca3MN/images/uploads/_15_body_1365773342/image_33.jpeg (http://www.listrocket.com/public/link.php?url=http://www.citizenhearing.org/live-stream/about-live-stream/&lid=84157&uid=2816118&sid=31988&mid=27404)
http://www.listrocket.com/ktml2/user/1241_M837Hca3MN/images/uploads/_15_body_1365773342/image_34.jpeg
"It's time to open the books on questions that have remained in the dark, questions of government investigations of UFOs. We ought to do it because the American people quite frankly CAN handle the truth. And we ought to do it because it's the law."
John Podesta
Clinton Presidential Advisor
and Chief of Staff
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"UFO's are as real as the airplanes flying overhead."
Paul Hellyer
Canadian Defence Minister
http://www.listrocket.com/ktml2/user/1241_M837Hca3MN/images/uploads/_15_body_1365773342/image_36.jpeg
"It is now time to put away this embargo of truth about the alien presence."
- Dr. Edgar Mitchell

ScaRZ
04-14-2013, 05:02 PM
If it's from Steven Greer then I really have no interest. Beware of anything Greer is pushing.

The tiny specimen has been examined by several specialist and found to be nothing more than a normal human mummified fetus with an approximate gestation period close to 15 weeks. Just because the specimen has a skeleton doesn't make it an "Alien" does it? The human fetus has all 206 bones present by the end of the fifth week. I wonder if Greer is going to have any of these specialist and their findings in his film?......."I highly doubt it."

calikid
04-14-2013, 06:10 PM
If it's from Steven Greer then I really have no interest. Beware of anything Greer is pushing.

The tiny specimen has been examined by several specialist and found to be nothing more than a normal human mummified fetus with an approximate gestation period close to 15 weeks. Just because the specimen has a skeleton doesn't make it an "Alien" does it? The human fetus has all 206 bones present by the end of the fifth week. I wonder if Greer is going to have any of these specialist and their findings in his film?......."I highly doubt it."

Let's hope definitive DNA results are presented.

Longeyes
04-14-2013, 06:12 PM
I agree if was an alien why is it so obviously mammalian? I don't doubt his integrity i think the money he's making going will to go towards researching free energy sources but the skeleton will make him a laughing stock

Doc
04-16-2013, 05:16 PM
Friday, April 12, 2013

April UFO/ET Disclosure

April Will Be A Good Month For UFO/ET Disclosure
By Ed Komarek
(4/12/13)
(Copy and Distribute Freely)
My blog: http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/


April is shaping up to be a good month for UFO/ET disclosure. Many of us in the UFO/ET community now realize that appealing to governments to disclose is not going to work, and that it’s up to an informed public to disclose. We believe that western governments will not disclose on their own because they are mostly being controlled by a Bilderberg global elite and their corporations. This elite privileged class is composed of European royalty, international bankers, industrialists and international corporations.
We believe that the evidence from whistle-blower testimony clearly shows that trillions of dollars have been made the past 70 years from reverse engineering some ET technology, and suppression of other technology. This process of technological insertion into defense and the marketplace is described very well by Col Corso in his book The Day After Roswell.

This 70 year old extraterrestrial technological bonanza has added immensely to elite financial and political power over the rest of us driving us toward an Orwellian New World Order. Therefore there has been a very strong incentive by powerful global special interests to drag out the cover-up as long as possible to maintain these tech monopolies, even while falsely claiming national security issues.
Fortunately for the global public the Russian Oligarchy has lost a lot of ground to the Western Oligarchy since the breakup of the USSR. The Russian elite now realize that the Western Oligarchy derives a lot of its power from exploiting and suppressing extraterrestrial technologies and that disclosure would weaken this power. April has begun with the circulation of the reasonably accurate Russian UFO/ET documentary Men in Black with English subtitles on the Internet. This has followed serious disclosure comments by Russian President Medvedev. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR014_jY7po (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR014_jY7po)

Medvedev referred the press to the Russian Men in Black movie months ago in an indirect endorsement of the documentary. The Western press thought and reported that he was joking, thinking he was talking about the American comedy Men in Black. However, you can see from this video clip that he was very serious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHCSpm2kepo)

On April 21 Dr. Steven Greer will be introducing to the public his long awaited UFO disclosure documentary called Sirius in Los Angles California. We expect that Steve will describe in great detail the reasons behind the UFO cover-up in this cloud financed movie documentary. Therefore this effort should really help take a bite out of the cover-up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJZ8wZrCCv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJZ8wZrCCv0)
Furthermore, Steven Greer makes it very clear that it is the Global Elite who are now the overriding force behind the UFO/ET cover-up. There is controversy surrounding a very small human or humanoid body in the film. http://www.openminds.tv/analysis-of-the-atacama-humanoid-alien-972/ (http://www.openminds.tv/analysis-of-the-atacama-humanoid-alien-972/) Also some donors are upset because they felt they were contributing to a disclosure film not to be used as a marketing tool to solicit more funds for Sirius activities.

Doc
04-16-2013, 05:17 PM
Ed Komarek, Continued:

From April 29 to May 3, 2013 Exopolitical activist Steve Bassett will hold a citizens hearing in the Washington Press Club building that will bring a large number of UFO/ET whistle-blowers to testify to the mainstream press and to sitting and retired members of Congress. Like Sirius this has been a very expensive undertaking that should really help build public and press awareness to helping with the disclosure process. http://www.citizenhearing.org/ (http://www.citizenhearing.org/)The controversy in this case is about the failure to disclose how much the participants in hearing are being paid. It is being alleged that many of the participants in this hearing are being paid beyond expenses.

Already this month retired Airman Charles Hall has been on the lecture circuit in Australia describing his experiences with the Tall White extraterrestrials while working at Nellis AFB in the early 1960s. Charles has written 4 books on the Tall Whites and now is promoting his new book on what he knows of the Greys. Charles got mainstream coverage before the trip in Australia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3IJmVXkBA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3IJmVXkBA&feature=player_embedded)

Not to be left out, I too am promoting my own modest low budget UFO/ET disclosure. My disclosure efforts now center around a free Kindle promotion in which I am allowed 5 days every three month cycle to promote my disclosure book UFOs, Exopolitics and the New World Disorder free on Kindle. It will be free on April 13, 14, and 15. I will be on Richard Dolan’s radio show 9-11 EST, Saturday April 13. The nice thing about this modest disclosure effort is that no donations are required. I only hope that people who have benefited from the book will repost in the social networks, so even more people can benefit beyond those I reach myself.
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Exopolitics-New-World-Disorder/dp/1470077825/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362958126&sr=8-1&keywords=ufos+exopolitics+and+the+new+world+disord er (http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Exopolitics-New-World-Disorder/dp/1470077825/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1362958126&sr=8-1&keywords=ufos+exopolitics+and+the+new+world+disord er)

In summary we can do this folks, if we all work together. It's up to us to tip the balance of power for a full and open disclosure. Every new person that becomes a UFO/ET activist is one more step toward ending this insidious cover-up that is destroying not just human evolution, but even the earth itself. Please join my efforts on Facebook (I accept all friendships) and if you are on Twitter and other social networks please promote this article there as well. It's imperative that we work hard to promote good credible UFO/ET information and not just complain about all the UFO trash clogging up the social networks.

http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/2013/04/april-ufoet-disclosure.html

Doc
04-17-2013, 01:41 PM
I have merged the thread with Ed Komarek's latest Disclosure article here because he covered several of the topics and upcoming Disclosure-based activities that we have been discussing.

Robert_Fay
04-22-2013, 08:58 AM
Just because the illusion is so aggravating recently, this is my new Acronym of the Week:

HOAP = Head On A Pike ... sounds like hope to me, given how i am in need of some Mirthful Irreverence that is meant to not be mean boned given how much stuff in the world is aggravating just now.

And with that, may I once again raise a toast to Mirthful Irreverence Everywhere.

Doc
04-22-2013, 06:22 PM
Just because the illusion is so aggravating recently, this is my new Acronym of the Week:

HOAP = Head On A Pike ... sounds like hope to me, given how i am in need of some Mirthful Irreverence that is meant to not be mean boned given how much stuff in the world is aggravating just now.

And with that, may I once again raise a toast to Mirthful Irreverence Everywhere.

I like it! Variation: Head On A Platter

Sometimes Mirthful Irreverence is all we have to get through the mess. And Stubborness.

Robert_Fay
04-29-2013, 05:11 AM
I like it! Variation: Head On A Platter

Sometimes Mirthful Irreverence is all we have to get through the mess. And Stubborness.

I like it, Doc. The Stubbornness is probably supported by the Mirthful Irreverence. Let's hope.

Doc
04-30-2013, 03:36 AM
I find myself wondering if the Citizen Hearing will in some way assist, promote or inspire more of Disclosure Lite revelations or testimonies. The references to the Citizen Hearing that I have seen in the media all have used the "giggle factor" approach, with political blogs ridiculing the politicians who are participating and the dismissing whole event in general as foolish--which is to be expected, I suppose. It seems that no matter how hard proponents of Disclosure try to arrange formats, locations and participants that would create an enhanced atmosphere of credibility they run into the same brick wall of resistance. It makes me think that maybe the Disclosure Lite approach will be more successful over time.

newyorklily
04-30-2013, 05:45 AM
I find myself wondering if the Citizen Hearing will in some way assist, promote or inspire more of Disclosure Lite revelations or testimonies. The references to the Citizen Hearing that I have seen in the media all have used the "giggle factor" approach, with political blogs ridiculing the politicians who are participating and the dismissing whole event in general as foolish--which is to be expected, I suppose. It seems that no matter how hard proponents of Disclosure try to arrange formats, locations and participants that would create an enhanced atmosphere of credibility they run into the same brick wall of resistance. It makes me think that maybe the Disclosure Lite approach will be more successful over time.

Grant Cameron, several times, used Chase Brandon as an example of a person in the know. So, that is following the Disclosure Lite revelations IMO. Grant also told the Committee that the person they would want to speak to would be Ron Pandolfi (I'd like to be a fly on that wall ;) ).

As far as the media goes, the room was packed, many using professional style cameras. But, the media was on the hot seat. They were singled out by Greer and Bassett for being a primary cause for people not taking this field seriously. After the session, Grant posted on his FB timeline that the NY Times was looking to speak with Dr. Greer. Add to that, the Committee members commending Stephen Bassett for putting this all together. This led to a standing ovation for him.

This is only Day 1. There are four more days to go. I think this is going to make major changes in how Washington views the UFO field.

newyorklily
05-01-2013, 11:28 PM
Here is another instance of UFO phenomenon fictionalized in a popular TV show. The plot of last night's episode of Grimm included cattle mutilations done by a blue, glowing, humanoid being (Wesen). There was also a ufologist (yes, they used that word) hunting the being and a woman who was abducted out of her car by the humanoid. There were a few UFO jokes but most of the time, everyone stayed serious.

I find it interesting that this episode would be shown this week, when so many are gathered in Washington, D.C. for the Citizen Hearing. I don't think it was intentional on NBC's part but I do find it to be a quirky twist of Fate.

You can watch the episode on Hulu http://www.hulu.com/watch/484862

murmur
05-02-2013, 04:14 AM
Grant Cameron, several times, used Chase Brandon as an example of a person in the know. So, that is following the Disclosure Lite revelations IMO. Grant also told the Committee that the person they would want to speak to would be Ron Pandolfi (I'd like to be a fly on that wall ;) ).

As far as the media goes, the room was packed, many using professional style cameras. But, the media was on the hot seat. They were singled out by Greer and Bassett for being a primary cause for people not taking this field seriously. After the session, Grant posted on his FB timeline that the NY Times was looking to speak with Dr. Greer. Add to that, the Committee members commending Stephen Bassett for putting this all together. This led to a standing ovation for him.

This is only Day 1. There are four more days to go. I think this is going to make major changes in how Washington views the UFO field.


You do realize that Greer and Pandolfi have met a few times....according to Dan....and I believe him.

It's my understanding that Pandolfi has offered to met with Kean. That was a few years ago. It was about the whole Callahan/FAA/Japan Air event. Ron was the CIA science guy in the room....Maccabee was there too. They dispute Callahan's account of the meeting.

Kean wasn't interested at the time...pretty sure it was January/February 2008

newyorklily
05-02-2013, 05:15 AM
You do realize that Greer and Pandolfi have met a few times....according to Dan....and I believe him.

It's my understanding that Pandolfi has offered to met with Kean. That was a few years ago. It was about the whole Callahan/FAA/Japan Air event. Ron was the CIA science guy in the room....Maccabee was there too. They dispute Callahan's account of the meeting.

Kean wasn't interested at the time...pretty sure it was January/February 2008

Cool! Then the retired Congress people and Senators on the Committee really should meet with Pandolfi. He probably has a lot of information to tell them.

murmur
05-02-2013, 06:13 AM
He probably has a lot of information to tell them.


Nothing that they want to hear no doubt.

I still don't get the why the ufers want to get truth from a govt that is a full blown propaganda machine.

There is no truth coming from the govt....now or ever....about this topic or any.

It's some kind of need for validation?

Besides...no matter what/when and if the govt discloses something....it will never be enough....there will always be the need to want something more, or to believe more is being held back.

Like I said...what is truth that is told to you from a govt that has repeatedly lied about many many things?

In fact....I'd be scared to death of any disclosure from our govt.

There is just no possible way what is disclosed will be truthful.

Bet your life on that

Doc
05-02-2013, 04:03 PM
I think the push for disclosure is not affected by the quality of the answers you expect to get. Governments very often have to be pushed hard and publicly to do the right thing. Make them live up to their own rules. Get their lies on the record. Sue under the FOIA. Encourage sympathetic elected officials to seek answers. If you push from all directions and don't quit until you are satisfied, maybe you get something of value. If you let their lies be the last word, you get nothing.

Doc
05-12-2013, 08:36 PM
Via Email from Victor Martinez:

http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2013/05/americans-alien-abduction-science

:-X
ALIEN NATION: Have Humans Been Abducted by Extraterrestrials Among Us? / Are ETs Here For Occupation, Colonization or Are They Simply "Tagging" Us Much Like We Track and Monitor Wildlife?! A prestigious Harvard psychiatrist, John Edward Mack, thought so.
His sudden death leaves behind many mysteries....

Ralph Blumenthal (http://www.vanityfair.com/contributors/ralph-blumenthal)
The New York Times, Sunday, May 12, 2013 / RalphNYT@gmail.com




http://f1249.mail.vip.ne1.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f13339277%5fAKkfimIAAC FEUY7u0guzv2xhX6s&pid=2.2&fid=Inbox&inline=1 Courtesy of Anne Ramsey Cuvelier (house), courtesy of JPL-Caltech/UCLA/NASA
(cosmos), courtesy of the family of John E. Mack (Mack).
Anne Ramsey Cuvelier’s Victorian mansion in Newport, Rhode Island, where, once a
year, alien experiencers gather and exchange stories. Inset, John Edward Mack at
Harvard University, where he earned his medical degree in 1955.

http://f1249.mail.vip.ne1.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f13339277%5fAKkfimIAAC FEUY7u0guzv2xhX6s&pid=2.3&fid=Inbox&inline=1
If you’re abducted by alien beings, are you physically absent?
This happens to be an important issue for the media-shy people gathered one afternoon last July on the porch of
Anne Ramsey Cuvelier’s blue Victorian inn on Narragansett Bay, in Rhode Island, once called “the most elegantly
finished house ever built in Newport.” Co-designed in 1869 by a cousin of Ralph Waldo Emerson’s, it has been in
Cuvelier’s family since 1895, when her great-grandfather bought it as a summer getaway from his winter home blocks
away, just as the Gilded Age cottages of the Vanderbilts and Astors began springing up across the island, redefining
palatial extravagance. Still imposing with its butternut woodwork, ebony trimmings, and four-story paneled atrium
frescoed in the Pompeian style, the harborside mansion turned B&B seemed a fittingly baroque setting for the group
of reluctant guests Cuvelier describes as “not a club anyone wants to belong to.”
She had gathered them to compare experiences as, well, “experiencers,” a term they prefer to “abductees,” and to
socialize free of stigma among peers. Cuvelier, an elegant and garrulous woman in her 70s, isn’t one of them. But she
remembers as a teen in the 1940s hearing her father, Rear Admiral Donald James Ramsey, a World War II hero,
muttering about strange flying craft that hovered and streaked off at unimaginable speed, and she’s been an avid ufologist
ever since. “I want to get information out so these people don’t have to suffer,” she says. “Nobody believes you. You go
through these frightening experiences, and then you go through the ridicule.”
So, for a week each summer for almost two decades, she’s been turning away paying guests at her family’s Sanford-Covell
Villa Marina, on the cobblestoned waterfront in Newport, to host these intimate gatherings of seemingly ordinary folk with
extraordinary stories, along with the occasional sympathetic medical professional and scientist and other brave or foolhardy
souls not afraid to be labeled nuts for indulging a fascination with the mystery. I had been invited as a journalist with a special
interest who has been talking to some of them for several years.


http://f1249.mail.vip.ne1.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f13339277%5fAKkfimIAAC FEUY7u0guzv2xhX6s&pid=2.4&fid=Inbox&inline=1 (http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/culture/2013/05/02-betty-and-barney-hill.jpg) © Bettmann/CORBIS.

http://f1249.mail.vip.ne1.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2%5f0%5f0%5f1%5f13339277%5fAKkfimIAAC FEUY7u0guzv2xhX6s&pid=2.5&fid=Inbox&inline=1 (http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/culture/2013/05/03-betty-and-barney-hill-incident-sign.jpg) © Splash News/Corbis. / Top, Betty and Barney Hill pose with John G. Fuller’s book
The Interrupted Journey, which chronicles the 1961 abduction that the two say they
experienced. Above, a plaque in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, commemorating the
Hills’ experience as “the first widely-reported UFO abduction report in the United States.”

CasperParks
05-13-2013, 02:30 AM
I think the push for disclosure is not affected by the quality of the answers you expect to get. Governments very often have to be pushed hard and publicly to do the right thing. Make them live up to their own rules. Get their lies on the record. Sue under the FOIA. Encourage sympathetic elected officials to seek answers. If you push from all directions and don't quit until you are satisfied, maybe you get something of value. If you let their lies be the last word, you get nothing.

So true...

CasperParks
07-14-2013, 09:33 PM
Who at the Outpost Forum coined the phrase "Trickle Down Disclosure"?

I did search the site, couldn't find it...

CasperParks
07-15-2013, 04:17 AM
I expect in the near future to wake up one morning, or a neighbor rushes over and tells me news media is reporting on aliens visiting the planet. Live coverage of spacecraft and aliens.

newyorklily
07-15-2013, 07:47 PM
I found this interesting. From Billy Cox's blog De Void http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13836/france-chile-aim-for-trans-atlantic-bridge/


In her 2010 bestseller, UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record, Kean laid out a modest plan for a modest office, staffed by no more than three people, who could officially liaison with myriad civilian and defense agencies to investigate the most promising cases and review compelling cold-case files. In 2012, at an unpublicized meeting hosted by the Center for American Progress (CAP) think tank in Washington, Kean shared a related briefing paper prepared for a 35-member, invitation-only audience. It suggested the work could be conducted from the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, for as little as $250,000 per fiscal year. Given recent revelations about how the IRS spent $4.1 million, or 16 times that total, on a three-day conference in 2010 (an amount, incidentally, categorized by a U.S. News & World Report analysis as “lightweight by corporate standards”), Kean’s budget projection looks like a chump-change lunch by Beltway standards.

CAP founder John Podesta, President Clinton’s erstwhile chief of staff, went public about that meeting in May. He told The New York Times such a project “would selectively investigate mysterious skyward sightings and seek to understand them by applying scientific method.” He called attendees “interesting, credible people who had observed aerial phenomena that were unexplained and worthy of additional followup. Going back and looking at declassifying whatever government documents exist,” he added, “is a smart thing to do.”

Among those in attendance was Tadd Buffington, a chief solution architect at NASA’s Washington headquarters. A former political and budget analyst with the United Nations, Buffington is also a MUFON field investigator motivated largely by concerns for air traffic safety (http://narcap.org/reports/TR8Bias1.htm). Buffington says Kean’s budget projection should be doubled, and he has reservations over placing such a study under the jurisdiction of agencies staffed by “political appointees,” such as the OSTP.

“I can tell you there’s a huge, huge amount of grass-roots interest in (UFO/UAP) at NASA. People want to know,” says Buffington. “And this is where NASA could fit in so well, the real NASA, not the government NASA. The problem is getting it to the top floor, where you run into the presidential appointees.

“The formality is, it has to be an issue first, and not until you can establish something like a clear and present danger — like reports of it running into our planes — is that likely to happen. And given the increasing amount of air traffic, I’m afraid that’s going to be just a matter of time. Until then, because government is self-serving, the question is always going to be ‘How’s this going to help me?’”

It's tempting to think the new French-Chilean connection could trigger a candid and overdue conversation in this country about bringing serious resources to bear on an enduring mystery that might well reap windfall payoffs for science. But at least two countries aren't waiting around to find out.

Doc
07-18-2013, 06:09 PM
Who at the Outpost Forum coined the phrase "Trickle Down Disclosure"?

I did search the site, couldn't find it...

I just looked for it too. Didn't find it. I wrote about "trickle out" disclosure. Does that help any?

CasperParks
07-18-2013, 10:19 PM
I just looked for it too. Didn't find it. I wrote about "trickle out" disclosure. Does that help any?

Doc,

That was what I found "Trickle Out Disclosure".

Under mounting pressure the pipe will burst, getting everyone soaking wet. It's probably flammable liquid that comes out.

:yikes:

Chris
07-18-2013, 10:38 PM
I found this interesting. From Billy Cox's blog De Void http://devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com/13836/france-chile-aim-for-trans-atlantic-bridge/

I am making some inquiries about this....

Doc
07-19-2013, 12:35 AM
Doc,

That was what I found "Trickle Out Disclosure".

Under mounting pressure the pipe will burst, getting everyone soaking wet. It's probably flammable liquid that comes out.

:yikes:

I think of it like a drip, drip, drip, wearing the rock away. :o

Doc
07-19-2013, 01:19 AM
A friend has been bugging me for an update but there has been nothing officially since the last we reported here. I do have this, though. Someone forwarded an email to me from a small list he is on. He noted "For Your Eyes Only" because he was not supposed to pass it on. I hate things like that because they are pretty much useless. I can't tell you it is fact. I can't just post it...and no matter what I do with it anyone would be justified in rejecting it as unsubstantiated. So let's say it is no better than rumor. I know who sent it to me but I don't know who wrote it originally, that was blanked out.

When my friend asked me again about an update I thought of that email and it occurred to me that Len Stringfield, one of my UFOlogy heroes, would put the information out there and say, "It's for you to decide whether this is true or not." So here it is, summarized and paraphrased so as to not get anyone in trouble:

The email said two wealthy people had come out in the last few months as supporters of different UFOlogy initiatives. Later, each revealed separately that they were believers as well. This went mostly unnoticed but that was not a problem. The target audience was not the general public or UFOlogy. The target audience was the peers of the two men. They were letting their associates know this information and making it an OK topic for discussion among them. Also, it was intended as a signal that it was safe for anyone else they knew to report their own experiences or beliefs.

The next part said that the behind-the-scenes movers and shakers used the event of the Citizens Hearing On Disclosure in April and May to advance their goals. It was clear that the organizers of the Citizens Hearing were not informed or made part of this effort, it was done without their knowledge. People not involved watched it develop and when it looked as if it would be a serious, professional event, they got some good media coverage for it by using contacts they had, as well as pointing some important people toward the Citizens Hearing and telling them what was significant there.

The next part talked about the internet links for "Celebrities Who Claim to Have Seen a UFO" and three or four like it, saying they had encouraged those slide shows getting widespread distribution back in January and February 2012 and had just done so again. The last section said something about "small steps" and neutralizing the "giggle factor".

So there it is. It could be true. It could be a hoax. It could be a joke on me. As someone has been known to say. "It is all E-N-T-E-R-T-A-I-N-M-E-N-T. :biggrin2:

Enjoy.

Chris
07-19-2013, 06:47 AM
That at least sounds as though it is right of the DL playbook, Doc!

CasperParks
08-25-2013, 10:08 AM
Disclosure is drawing nearer and nearer.

Doc
08-26-2013, 05:15 PM
A friend of The OutPost who requests anonymity forwards this without comment:

Top-secret super-secure Los Alamos vault declassified
Published on Jul 19, 2013
Down in a remote canyon near Los Alamos National Laboratory lies a facility known as the "Tunnel Vault," once one of the most secret and secure locations in the United States, it's the original post-WWII nuclear stockpile storage area. Located in Los Alamos canyon at Technical Area 41, the Tunnel Vault was built between 1948 and 1949. The facility has a formidable security perimeter, a hardened guard tower — complete with gun ports and bulletproof glass — and a series of gates and doors that lead to a 230-foot long concrete tunnel that goes straight into the canyon wall. At the end of the tunnel is a large alcove room with a single bank vault door. Through that door is a vault built inside a vault with five storage areas, all protected with identical bank vault doors. Over the years the Tunnel Vault was also used as a nuclear materials and nuclear fuel storage area, a weapons research and development laboratory, weapons components storage, and nuclear material assembly for tests both in the Pacific and in Nevada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWA5Z32tiKM&amp;feature=c4-overview&amp;list=UUbWmiA_pHk9DE62BaSUFFRw

Longeyes
08-26-2013, 10:09 PM
Interesting place Doc

Why the anonymity now? Nothing revealing in this any idea what they are hinting at?

CasperParks
08-27-2013, 12:40 AM
Lot of underground bunker and or storage facilities across the US.

Doc
08-27-2013, 06:58 AM
Interesting place Doc

Why the anonymity now? Nothing revealing in this any idea what they are hinting at?

The only hint I got was this was an example of others built elsewhere.

kingfish
08-27-2013, 04:52 PM
The only hint I got was this was an example of others built elsewhere.

It's not clear why the vault was created in the first place , only how it was used throughout the years. This seems to be in a very remote, highly secured area at Los Alamos. More so than other nuclear storage areas at Los Alamos? [Would it have been strictly for neutrino research? (Project Poltergeist)]. Would there be any radiation type cautionary signs in this type of nuclear storage areas. Didn't notice any in the video.

Consider this intriguing statement made in Serpo release #35 and the timeline that the vault was constructed (1948/49):

"The SECOND ALIEN CRAFT was taken to Kirtland Field, Albuquerque, where it was carefully examined. It was later taken to Los Alamos Labs where it was subjected to a thorough, highly detailed examination."

Maybe Victor can followup and check his sources on the exact whereabouts at Los Alamos that any debris would have been taken.


the Kingfish.

Doc
08-27-2013, 07:08 PM
That is a good idea, kingfish. I'll ask Victor and post any answer here.

Chris
09-05-2013, 03:52 PM
We received the following notice from Victor Martinez. Does this sound anything like another DL event???



BREAKING! UFOs - Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials go on the Record LIVE on Thursday,
September 5, 2013 @ 2:30 p.m. PDT / 5:30 p.m. EDT!



Link to the Truthloader YouTube Channel:
http://youtube.com/truthloader (http://youtube.com/truthloader)



Generals, Pilots and Government officials will go on the record live to discuss their experiences with
UFOs this Thursday at 10:30 p.m. GMT, 2:30 PDT, 5:30 EDT. A panel of credible witnesses will join the
YouTube channel Truthloader via webcam, each speaking for 10 minutes before a 30 minute Q and
A session.

The panel will include Leslie Kean, author of the New York Times best seller "UFOs: Generals,
Pilots, and Government Officials Go On the Record." She spent 10 years researching the book,
which includes officially documented cases and reports by highly credentialed people from
around the world.


Joining Leslie Kean on the panel is Jose Lay, international affairs director at CEFAA in Chile,
a government agency whose mission is to collect, study and analyze scientifically, all reports
of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) in Chile.


Colonel Charles Halt, who in 1980 officially reported a UFO at RAF Woodbridge in England,
which later became known as The Rendlesham Forest Incident.


Captain Robert Salas, whilst an officer in the US Air Force, witnessed 10 nuclear missiles
become non-operational after guards reported UFOs hovering above the facility.


Captain Ray Bowyer, along with some of his passengers, witnessed an object estimated to
be up to a mile long over the English Channel in 2007.


Parviz Jafari is a retired General of the Iranian Air Force. In 1976 he was ordered by the Air
Force Command to approach an intense flashing object observed over Tehran. Jafari’s
weapons were jammed and communications garbled when he approached the object.



"This online conference will help bring the serious side of the subject to a wide audience.
The audience will have the opportunity to interact with the panelists which makes this a
unique event." said Leslie Kean.


“With the 30 minutes Q and A at the end of the event, it’s an opportunity to ask some of
the most credible UFO witnesses some questions. If people want to take part, leave a
comment on the live video on Truthloader, post on our Facebook wall, or

Tweet us: @truthloader” said Truthloader Producer, Phil Harper.

Notes for Editors


Link to the Facebook event:

https://www.facebook.com/events/392420010880921/ (https://www.facebook.com/events/392420010880921/)
(https://www.facebook.com/events/392420010880921/)
Link to the G+ event:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cbhgnp9ila0g1jg0h3ogasfepa4 (https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cbhgnp9ila0g1jg0h3ogasfepa4)
(https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cbhgnp9ila0g1jg0h3ogasfepa4)
Link to the Truthloader YouTube Channel:

http://youtube.com/truthloader (http://youtube.com/truthloader)

Digital Flyer:

http://i.imgur.com/f5jUsnF.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/f5jUsnF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/f5jUsnF.jpg)
Contact: If you need any more information, please get in touch:

Phil Harper - 0207 430 4708
PHIL HARPER
COMMUNITIES PRODUCER
200 GRAY'S INN ROAD
WC1X 8XZ

UNITED KINGDOM
T +44 207 430 4171 (tel:%2B44%20207%20430%204171)
E PHIL.HARPER@ITN.CO.UK (PHIL.HARPER@ITN.CO.UK)

Garuda
09-06-2013, 06:42 PM
Here's the video of it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUK2VG-D9OM

majicbar
09-06-2013, 07:13 PM
"It's not clear why the vault was created in the first place , only how it was used throughout the years. This seems to be in a very remote, highly secured area at Los Alamos." It seems to me that the extreme cost of making fissile materials to be used in atomic weapons would well warrant the expense and effort of building these vaults. At the end of 1947 there was about 50 to 60 kilograms per month of this material (U-235) coming to Los Alamos. The amounts of Plutonium have not been released but would be larger than this volume. The cost of producing U-235 and Plutonium-249 to the end of 1947 would be over a billion dollars (in 1947 dollars), today this would have been 8.8+ billions of dollars. One could not imagine Gold to be carelessly stored, given the utility of these fissile materials and our fear of Russians getting ahold of them, I feel the vaults being built is self explanatory.

Doc
09-08-2013, 12:01 AM
After some asking around about the vault the consensus (from tight-lipped people) was that this is an example of the capabilities for highly secure storage they had at the time. Anything of sufficient value or secrecy was going to be sent to something like this, i.e., hide secret stuff in a specially built secret place. By the time of LtCol Corso, the thinking had changed to the Raider's of the Lost Ark model, which was basically to 'hide in plain sight' with benign labeling and compartmentalization as the primary security methods. People go looking for secret things in the 'secret place' but they don't go looking for secret things in the old filing cabinet. Or so the thinking went. There would be exceptions to this, depending on the size of the things you were dealing with and whether or not they were going to be studied, used in due course, or hopefully, forgotten.

I'm still waiting for two people to get back to me. More to come...

CasperParks
09-27-2013, 09:19 PM
Disclosure is fast approaching.... 2017 give or take, sticks out in my mind and cannot say why... Just a gut feeling something happens in or around 2017... Maybe it is simply my imagination.

Doc
10-22-2013, 06:02 PM
People are asking if the Peruvian Air force initiative begun October 18, 2013 has anything to do with Disclosure Lite. I don't know but I am inquiring. This Peruvian project has both an investigation and a public education component. As described, it meets some of the criteria of Disclosure Lite, i.e. it is a respected source, it is making no great claims, and nothing in their announcement invites debunking or ridicule. If I get any response from "people who should know" I'll post it here.

News release:


Peruvian Air Force will open new UFO research department today October 18, 2013

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UppxAmj_g/UmGJjK9BSMI/AAAAAAAAB4Q/JdIM3lsWDpc/s320/peru.png (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-X3UppxAmj_g/UmGJjK9BSMI/AAAAAAAAB4Q/JdIM3lsWDpc/s1600/peru.png)

"On Friday, October 18th, 2013 the Peruvian Air Force will launch a Department focused on researching the presence of anomalous aerial phenomena. It will be called “DIFAA” which stands for the (Departamento de Investigación de Fenómenos Aéreos Anómalos or Anomalous Aerial Phenomena Research Department). This department will be directly assisted by a Civilian Advisory Council which, as far as I know, is a unique arrangement in the world. This council is composed of researchers, scientists and intellectuals and it includes Commander Julio Cesar Chamorro Flores (ret) who a few years earlier (while still on duty) directed the Peruvian Air Force’s UFO research office called OIFAA. During that time I also acted as a civilian advisor.

Currently, the Civilian Advisory Council also includes archeologist Manuel Aguirre Morales, research journalist Marco Barraza Camacho; the Director of the Peruvian Institute of astronomy Barthelemy d’Ans; Engineer and cultural events promoter Enrique Álvarez Vita; communications expert Patricia Meseth Petrucelli; philosopher Luis Enrique Alvizuri and I, Giorgio Piacenza Cabrera, sociologist and Exopolitics Institute advisor."


- See more at: http://anythingufo.blogspot.com/2013/10/peruvian-air-force-to-inaugurate-ufo.html#sthash.rRbzwzsO.dpuf

CasperParks
02-26-2014, 10:10 AM
Disclosure of intelligent life beyond this planet is fast approaching, we must prepare and defend the way.

Pandora'sParadox
02-26-2014, 03:52 PM
Well said.

Doc
02-26-2014, 05:15 PM
http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/02/Richard-Thieme-on-UFOs-aliens.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+EducatingHumanity+%28Educating+ Humanity

Tuesday, February 25, 2014 Government Adviser Comes Out of the Closet On UFOs, Richard Thieme

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/mM4Z0YFNrBcZBTRJpAuhrfWXtyQ0BAdHNBv_Stw7V8CB=w240-h320-no (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/mM4Z0YFNrBcZBTRJpAuhrfWXtyQ0BAdHNBv_Stw7V8CB=w240-h320-no)
It was a pleasant surprise to see the op-ed by Richard Thieme in the recent Journal Sentinel, in which he brings himself "out of the closet," as it were, regarding unidentified flying objects ("A confession: I'm out of the closet on UFOs (http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/out-of-the-closet-on-ufos-b99203753z1-245623181.html)," Crossroads, Feb. 16).

Thieme backs up his reasons for doing so, citing years of scientific research by high-standing individuals (himself included) in the fields of astronomy, sociology, psychology and other sciences and the eyewitness accounts of UFO activity, not only in modern times but throughout history credibly reported by military and government officials, police officers, pilots and honest ordinary citizens.

In my mind, it is foolish at best and in denial at worst, as Thieme states, to think that we are the only civilization in the universe and that our society is the apex of progress and evolution. As Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for believing the Earth is round, those who have the courage to go against the official government policy that UFOs do not exist are subject to ridicule and disdain.

Pandora'sParadox
02-26-2014, 11:29 PM
Great...he leaked info to Iran. AND WE STILL KNOW NOTHING... I just wanna know a little...:wall:

CasperParks
02-27-2014, 06:08 AM
http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2014/02/Richard-Thieme-on-UFOs-aliens.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed:+EducatingHumanity+%28Educating+ Humanity

Tuesday, February 25, 2014 Government Adviser Comes Out of the Closet On UFOs, Richard Thieme

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/mM4Z0YFNrBcZBTRJpAuhrfWXtyQ0BAdHNBv_Stw7V8CB=w240-h320-no (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/mM4Z0YFNrBcZBTRJpAuhrfWXtyQ0BAdHNBv_Stw7V8CB=w240-h320-no)
It was a pleasant surprise to see the op-ed by Richard Thieme in the recent Journal Sentinel, in which he brings himself "out of the closet," as it were, regarding unidentified flying objects ("A confession: I'm out of the closet on UFOs (http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/out-of-the-closet-on-ufos-b99203753z1-245623181.html)," Crossroads, Feb. 16).

Thieme backs up his reasons for doing so, citing years of scientific research by high-standing individuals (himself included) in the fields of astronomy, sociology, psychology and other sciences and the eyewitness accounts of UFO activity, not only in modern times but throughout history credibly reported by military and government officials, police officers, pilots and honest ordinary citizens.

In my mind, it is foolish at best and in denial at worst, as Thieme states, to think that we are the only civilization in the universe and that our society is the apex of progress and evolution. As Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for believing the Earth is round, those who have the courage to go against the official government policy that UFOs do not exist are subject to ridicule and disdain.

Momentum...

Pandora'sParadox
02-27-2014, 11:54 PM
sry about my previous statement, it was in reference to ed snowden. Lol, was reading the article along the side of the link Doc provided. Got my threads mixed.:rolleyes:

Doc
02-28-2014, 05:01 PM
sry about my previous statement, it was in reference to ed snowden. Lol, was reading the article along the side of the link Doc provided. Got my threads mixed.:rolleyes:

No problem. It happens. :biggrin2:

CasperParks
03-17-2014, 11:45 PM
Posted this in the STDWYTK thread (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1084-Stuff-They-Don%92t-Want-You-To-Know-Episodes) and thought it should be posted in Disclosure as well.



Stuff They Don't Want You To Know: Are world governments preparing us for disclosure? - CLASSIC (http://www.stufftheydontwantyoutoknow.com/)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MniEacG98qw

Published on Mar 17, 2014

Conspiracy theories about hidden knowledge of extraterrestrials have been around for decades, but one of these theories has an interesting twist: What if the world's governments are using pop culture to prepare humanity for the arrival of aliens?

Pandora'sParadox
03-18-2014, 04:10 PM
Lmao...good video.

And yes...they government has been putting us through this sort of disclosure since the late 60's I believe. There was one time, that the population of old was "promised" jetpacks by the end of their generation. "Where the f*$k is my jetpack?"

Ever play mass effect? A theory for that game, is that each alien represents a different species in reality. This is not some random theory, it pops up a lot in "disclosure" talks. There are certain things that are referenced due to their uniqueness and set-up. Close encounters...mass effect...Steven Spielberg's "E.T.", ect.

The mess up thing is, if we would have stuck with the beginning disclosure point of Roswell, I don't think we would be in this position. Back then, it would have been possible to contain and come to terms with E.T. existence. Now, I believe our McDonald's filled, poorly educated, 9-5, "sheeple" of today would rather commit suicide that come to terms with reality.

3:13-3:16. "No evidence, or circumstantial evidence..." So Dr. Greer's alien isn't a well know phenomenon yet...
Even if I were to bring a "grey" into town square, in a cage...it would still be made out to be a fake. It won't be until we have an intergalactic incident, that our race will come to terms with an outside existence.

CasperParks
03-26-2014, 10:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt1WVeyMqdo

Longeyes
03-27-2014, 08:32 AM
Nicely made video thanks for posting Casper

Doc
04-03-2014, 01:18 PM
They told us some incredibly well-known people would be coming out as believers within around six months. That was more than six months ago. And here we go?


Bill Clinton says we may not be alone.

During an appearance on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” Wednesday, the 42nd president was pressed by host Jimmy Kimmel about whether he saw any classified information while in office proving the existence of aliens. While Clinton said he had “all the Roswell papers reviewed” and found no clear evidence that aliens exist, he also said he wouldn’t be shocked if intelligent life exists outside our planet or even if extraterrestrials one day visit Earth.
“We know now we live in an ever expanding universe,” Clinton said. “We know there are billions of stars and planets literally out there — and the universe is getting bigger. We know from our fancy telescopes that just in the last two years more than 20 planets have been identified outside our solar system that seem to be far enough away from their suns — and dense enough — that they might be able to support some form of life.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/bill-clinton-on-aliens-if-we-were-visited-some-day-i-wouldnt-be-surprised/#ixzz2xoxUs2NH (http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/bill-clinton-on-aliens-if-we-were-visited-some-day-i-wouldnt-be-surprised/#ixzz2xoxUs2NH)

Pandora'sParadox
04-03-2014, 03:48 PM
They told us some incredibly well-known people would be coming out as believers within around six months. That was more than six months ago. And here we go?


Bill Clinton says we may not be alone.

During an appearance on ABC’s “Jimmy Kimmel Live” Wednesday, the 42nd president was pressed by host Jimmy Kimmel about whether he saw any classified information while in office proving the existence of aliens. While Clinton said he had “all the Roswell papers reviewed” and found no clear evidence that aliens exist, he also said he wouldn’t be shocked if intelligent life exists outside our planet or even if extraterrestrials one day visit Earth.
“We know now we live in an ever expanding universe,” Clinton said. “We know there are billions of stars and planets literally out there — and the universe is getting bigger. We know from our fancy telescopes that just in the last two years more than 20 planets have been identified outside our solar system that seem to be far enough away from their suns — and dense enough — that they might be able to support some form of life.”


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/bill-clinton-on-aliens-if-we-were-visited-some-day-i-wouldnt-be-surprised/#ixzz2xoxUs2NH (http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/03/bill-clinton-on-aliens-if-we-were-visited-some-day-i-wouldnt-be-surprised/#ixzz2xoxUs2NH)


lol, I was just reading this and figured it needed to be shared. At least he is still trying.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/04/bill-clinton-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-aliens-exist/

montalk
04-03-2014, 09:29 PM
Here's the rest of what he said (from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HysSUvE4Uqk )


If we were visited someday I wouldn’t be surprised, I just hope that it’s not like "Independence Day" the movie. That it's... you know, a conflict. Maybe the only way to unite this incredibly divided world of ours: "They're out there, we better [come together]." Think of how all the differences among people on Earth would seem small if we felt threatened by a space invader. That's the whole theory of "Independence Day." Everybody gets together and makes nice...

He seems to have been prepared for that question, and I detect his cavalierness was calculated to smooth out the subject a bit. Back in 2008 pretty much everyone in the media was making aliens out to be good guys, our potential brothers, not harmful, etc. but after mid 2009 we've had Michio Kaku, Stephen Hawking, numerous TV specials and series, and now Bill Clinton raising the possibility of alien invaders again.

CasperParks
04-04-2014, 12:05 AM
They told us some incredibly well-known people would be coming out as believers within around six months. That was more than six months ago. And here we go?

Bill Clinton says we may not be alone.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PNttGg-z84

Interesting how he stated the same more or less thing as Reagan. Knowledge of aliens and or a hostile alien force would unite the planet.

majicbar
04-04-2014, 01:07 AM
"Clinton said he had “all the Roswell papers reviewed” and found no clear evidence that aliens exist,...." I doubt that they (MJ-12, or it's follow-on) allowed "all" the papers to be seen, my thinking is that Clinton used this as a throwaway to make it sound like he was in the know and in the loop, it sounds good but it is just another "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" line.

CasperParks
04-04-2014, 05:12 AM
MUFON Hanger 1: Episode - The UFO Files: Crashes and Cover-Ups (http://www.history.com/shows/hangar-1-the-ufo-files/videos/hangar-1-the-ufo-files-crashes-and-coverups?m=5189717d404fa&s=All&f=1&free=false),

It is mentioned an encounter in Mexico where an officer dies shortly after physical contact via a touch. He had a large number of viruses in his system. When Disclosure occurs it is possible the public will be told "Due to high risk of viruses to humans and aliens, physical contact is limited. Keep the public from interacting with aliens."

There is a topic thread at The Outpost Forum dedicated to History Channel MUFON Hanger 1 episodes, click here to view topic. (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1603-History-Channel-MUFON-TV-show-Hanger-1)

newyorklily
04-11-2014, 08:39 PM
Is NASA starting to show that they have been back engineering space crafts? Look at what's being tested over Hawaii.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Mars-Landing-Curiosity-Rover-NASA-Flying-Saucer-254565481.html

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CasperParks
04-17-2014, 09:00 PM
Is NASA starting to show that they have been back engineering space crafts? Look at what's being tested over Hawaii.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Mars-Landing-Curiosity-Rover-NASA-Flying-Saucer-254565481.html

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How did I miss this post?

Newyorklily, thanks for sharing.

newyorklily
04-24-2014, 12:05 AM
This caught my eye because of the way it is worded.

http://m.space.com/25594-nasa-mars-missions-multi-planet-species.html?cmpid=557163

Would us being a "multi planet species" make it easier to accept other species visiting us?

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lycaeus
04-24-2014, 12:36 PM
This caught my eye because of the way it is worded.

http://m.space.com/25594-nasa-mars-missions-multi-planet-species.html?cmpid=557163

Would us being a "multi planet species" make it easier to accept other species visiting us?

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Interesting that the NASA chief said this:

Only multi-planet species survive for long periods of time.
Almost like he has other alien species in mind. How would he know that though? Has he observed some other multi-planet species? Why would he say that as if it's a normal thing to say? Unless it's just purely conceptual, but we all know these guys know more than they say.

Doc
04-24-2014, 03:48 PM
Just for reflection, the back channel word we're hearing these day is that the information coming out is considered "confirmation". That NASA quote would fit that concept, I believe.

newyorklily
04-26-2014, 12:07 AM
Paul Davies will be speaking at the World Science Festival in NYC next month about SETI's Post Detection Task Group.

http://worldsciencefestival.com/blog/meet_paul_davies_the_man_wholl_greet_the_aliens?ut m_source=General+Subscribers&utm_campaign=2ae006d412-weekly_eblast_4_25_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_c44b45becf-2ae006d412-29890533

He is the author of that book Hilary Clinton was carrying at the end of her and Bill's meeting with Laurance Rockefeller.

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majicbar
04-26-2014, 02:50 AM
"Only multi-planet species survive for long periods of time", a quote from NASA. This makes every bit the reality we face. There are no large dinosaurs, the Earth's environment only allowed them to survive for a finite time. Had dinosaurs been on a dozen planets some would still be thriving. If the aliens seeded other planets with them they might still survive as species today. Perhaps there is a imperitive that all species be taken like in an "ark" and safely moved to multiple planets for extended survival.

CasperParks
04-26-2014, 06:39 AM
"Only multi-planet species survive for long periods of time", a quote from NASA. This makes every bit the reality we face. There are no large dinosaurs, the Earth's environment only allowed them to survive for a finite time. Had dinosaurs been on a dozen planets some would still be thriving. If the aliens seeded other planets with them they might still survive as species today. Perhaps there is a imperitive that all species be taken like in an "ark" and safely moved to multiple planets for extended survival.

Truth...

newyorklily
05-16-2014, 09:02 PM
Buzz Aldrin has never seemed shy about his views that Aliens are visiting us. I would love to hear his lecture at this conference.

http://m.space.com/25889-space-development-conference-aldrin-musk.html?cmpid=557589

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