Debunked Yet?

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0RqMCugLE

Does anyone know if this has been critiqued yet? (At least by a credible source...not trolls. O_o)

:ufo:

[Pandora'sParadox]

These 2 also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0RqMCugLE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwX_OWkx8Og (1:05-3:00 is all i care about in this one...) I've seen it elsewhere, but no real talk on it...

[Pandora'sParadox]

sry, the 1st was a duplicate. this is my 2nd "also"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3hEUfRq-vg


p.s. side note- why does russia know so much more about this than we do? talk to a russian and they think that this kind of stuff is old news. o_O

[majicbar]

sry, the 1st was a duplicate. this is my 2nd "also"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3hEUfRq-vg


p.s. side note- why does russia know so much more about this than we do? talk to a russian and they think that this kind of stuff is old news. o_Ohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=AaZW75jJjnw

The video is CGI and was made by "the faking hoaxer" 5 years ago, others have ripped this original video into these subsequent efforts and claims.

See:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFakin...?feature=watch


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hIZW5mbqcFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=6KS-ypy88fY

[Pandora'sParadox]

I'm baffled that people would waste their time in making these videos.
Thanks for the links and your time in finding them.
I subscribed to his channel...makes for great entertainment. :biggrin2:

p.s. any truth in skinny bob? LoL

[ProblemChild]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0RqMCugLE

Does anyone know if this has been critiqued yet? (At least by a credible source...not trolls. O_o)

:ufo:
My problem with the alien interview is the use of "DNI" in the video on screen code. Department of Naval Intelligence? If so then it is the same gaff that Lazar made.

[majicbar]

My problem with the alien interview is the use of "DNI" in the video on screen code. Department of Naval Intelligence? If so then it is the same gaff that Lazar made.Or is it? If the DNI is a black unit, then anything directed to "DNI" would attract the attention of those who are read into the black program and be directed within that organization. Black programs have a history of fronting organizations and corporate entites to do business as legitimate fronts conducting black operations. We should not be duped into rejecting automatically what we cannot find in the open, especially given the subject in this case. We need to be warry in either accepting, or rejecting, what we see and what we believe.

[Doc]

Or is it? If the DNI is a black unit, then anything directed to "DNI" would attract the attention of those who are read into the black program and be directed within that organization. Black programs have a history of fronting organizations and corporate entites to do business as legitimate fronts conducting black operations. We should not be duped into rejecting automatically what we cannot find in the open, especially given the subject in this case. We need to be warry in either accepting, or rejecting, what we see and what we believe.

Good point! I did a search back in history to see if that name existed earlier...no luck. It may indeed be as you suggest: a black program and/or a dog whistle for people who are read in. Also with known USAF and Navy involvement the DNI might mean something else entirely.

[Pandora'sParadox]

Lazar has shown proof that he did work for DNI. Hence, his W-2's...and if he is a phony, why sentence his for things he "allegedly" did? O_o
And...people act like this dept. doesn't exist. There are these kind of dept.'s in every aspect of the military branches. YOU just never hear about it because it doesn't concern civilians...

(you would figure, being in the air, this would follow under USAF...but the Navy has a lock down on all things intelligent.)

http://www.menphis75.com/images/studioufo/bob%20lazar.JPG
Now, the story is...that Mr. Lazar went and got a blank w-2, then typed it up himself. (why?) to further his claims? Then how did Mr. Lear come up with those home made vhs's with him and bob watching the test flights...?
ok, say he did make it all up...when was the last time you heard of the government sentencing an individual for "not working there, and no evidence?"
mmm...the reason i still use bob as a reference, is somethings just can't be overturned just because you can't figure it out. Having talked to him, and questioning his science and credentials...he explains that the "theories" were taught to him and the science was not backed. Simply, "The means do not follow the standard way we think of how science should be." Like someone teaching you to write with your other hand, its possible; just not the norm.

You can "debunk" people for days, but if you don't actually hunt for yourself, you find your just believing other peoples opinions. Therefor perpetuating the endless trudge of barriers we face today when doing "our kind" of research...

[Pandora'sParadox]

All im saying is there are slight claims he has made, that i have found truth in...i am not a "Lazarian" for future reference. LoL

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEcVeNnBtag

My latest find...Having run this by everyone I know for advice, I bring it here to share. (Because we can't figure it out...LoL)

:doh:

[Pandora'sParadox]

this one is stabilized...

Plz check out both and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9_Z8QIkUAg


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[ProblemChild]

this one is stabilized...

Plz check out both and tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9_Z8QIkUAg


\ \/ /

Viral marketing.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-video-of-ufo-behind-a-cloud-dropping-flashing-blue-lights-viral-marketing-hoax.3087/

[ProblemChild]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU48KMukJks#t=56

[ProblemChild]

Or is it? If the DNI is a black unit, then anything directed to "DNI" would attract the attention of those who are read into the black program and be directed within that organization. Black programs have a history of fronting organizations and corporate entites to do business as legitimate fronts conducting black operations. We should not be duped into rejecting automatically what we cannot find in the open, especially given the subject in this case. We need to be warry in either accepting, or rejecting, what we see and what we believe.

Victor at c.07.57. "Department of Naval Intelligence."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_GYPZufyBg

[CasperParks]

When faked, debunking is important. When not faked, and or unexplained stating that not able to debunk is important as well.

[Doc]

Casper, I agree without reservation.
Some men are bound by honor, others are not. Yet, the smallest among them knows what the ideals are.

[CasperParks]

Casper, I agree without reservation.
Some men are bound by honor, others are not. Yet, the smallest among them knows what the ideals are.

Sorry, Doc...

I did edit the comment to something else - not sure I should state what I had. Sometimes I hold back, or have second thoughts.

Doc was referring to "Oath of Secrecy" post I deleted and altered prior to edit time elapsing. I should've left the post as it was.

Basically, at what point does someone break that oath?


"Some men are bound by honor, others are not. Yet, the smallest among them knows what the ideals are". Doc at the outpost forum.

[ProblemChild]

When faked, debunking is important. When not faked, and or unexplained stating that not able to debunk is important as well.

I agree in part. I personally don't like the term debunking. I like to investigate. Soemthing is either true or not. Sometimes it can be not proven. The cases that stand up to investigation and still remain unknown are my favourite.

[Pandora'sParadox]

Thanks for the link video. Its good to know you guys are on-top of your game. :cool:

As for the "debunk" issue...we use this term, only due to the high number of hoax attempts. I wish...people had better to do with their time than create false info and propagate it. (Well,if that's what you get paid to do...then that's your job. 0_o) We will always have "lies" in this world, but it's up to us to not push it as well.

As for Doc's comment on honor and such... My view? -> When 2 men make an agreement, then men should stick to it. Your truthful with me, I'll be truthful to you. That is the foundation of "secret keeping" isn't it? There is a reason you take a secrecy oath before you see anything...so in that instance, would you break an oath?
My answer is, if I ever have to ask myself, would this make my fore-fathers proud? or... "Is this were you wanna be when Jesus comes back?" -Joe dirt- Morals and ideals keep us on the straight & narrow.

(Trust me, if info had to get out, there are ways that implicate no one) :o

[Pandora'sParadox]

Art Bell is the tits. I bet he has some info he isn't sharing. ;-)

[Pandora'sParadox]

Does anyone have anything interesting about the "Lacerta Files"?

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7NIwY5y1A&list=PLvnrndBdPYLO-vxneY9CcJUHf7BfZvBFA

The re-fueling from the sun is my favorite one.

[ProblemChild]

Does anyone have anything interesting about the "Lacerta Files"?

Rico Kolodzey most likely wrote lacerta or was in cahoots with someone.

[Pandora'sParadox]

Thanks for responding. I figured "Lacerta" was an out right hoax...due to the limited information backing it. But...still intriguing non the less.

I'm currently looking into this "Massive craft re-fueling from the sun" it is in the link provided with the group of youtube vids. It appears to come from Mexico or Spain. (I can hear Spanish, but can't distinguish between dialects.) But the video just blew my mind...and apparently...it happens a lot. O_o

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whFghUswO5U

Attention is on this now...LoL Thanks to all of you putting up with my frantic posting.

Live Long and Prosper.

\ \/ /

[whoknows]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_Abduction_%28film%29

speaking of smoke and mirrors.?

[Pandora'sParadox]

Wikipedia is a joke... I know I might come across with some already dis-proven information, but that is the point of the "exchange of information" these sites are built off of. Having a website that the general public can edit and create without any permissions is immediately admissible.

[whoknows]

LOL, Well, hey truth is where you find it. And you are correct sites like wiki and the outpost are open to any body to say any thing they want, but I always hope that they will not be made a joke. Then again truth is always subject to personal perception. Dang, the smoke is getting thick for some reason.

LOL sorry I'm being offensive again... Funny thing truth.

[Marvin]

Funny thing truth.


One can write a whole thread on TRUTH verses FACT.


M

[majicbar]

One can write a whole thread on TRUTH verses FACT.


MAnd then there are the Rumsfieldisms of distorted language and distorted logic that turn both truth anf fact on their head. Unfotunately langauge does not only serve to expound thought but to confound it, and withou honest language and honest logic the truth and the facts can be lost in the fog of dishonest motives.

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About


Back on track...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-QpPCrnFkA

I'm more interested in the light pulses...any comments? (I think it's a 6 part series, but 4 had some interesting light shows.)

[Pandora'sParadox]

One can write a whole thread on TRUTH verses FACT.


M


And then there are the Rumsfieldisms of distorted language and distorted logic that turn both truth anf fact on their head. Unfotunately langauge does not only serve to expound thought but to confound it, and withou honest language and honest logic the truth and the facts can be lost in the fog of dishonest motives.


Well stated. What is truth? Even things that are presented to use, still might have an underlining agenda...then comes the partial truths. As "M" said, we could do a good sized thread on what "Truth" is compared to "Facts".

[whoknows]

One can write a whole thread on TRUTH verses FACT.


M


LOL So true as I said truth at best is a subjective thing and therefore probably not a good topic for a thread!

[Pandora'sParadox]

LOL So true as I said truth at best is a subjective thing and therefore probably not a good topic for a thread!




You know you wanna make one... :das

[Pandora'sParadox]

Interesting video I just stumbled across...some of the crafts look strikingly similar to some seen on the NASA smoking gun documentary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q-wppA9H4g

[CasperParks]

Interesting video I just stumbled across...some of the crafts look strikingly similar to some seen on the NASA smoking gun documentary.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q-wppA9H4g

This video popped up a few months ago, was posted here at the outpost. Will have to search for it in the threads. Good to see it is still drawing people's attention. Wonder if MUFON has a report on it?

[Pandora'sParadox]

It looked like the normal stuff, until I saw the video at "1.33" with that circle shape. From the NASA videos I have, they look about the same, but the NASA one is 10x larger.

[CasperParks]

It looked like the normal stuff, until I saw the video at "1.33" with that circle shape. From the NASA videos I have, they look about the same, but the NASA one is 10x larger.

Around the time this was reported, a number of other sightings took place over a period of days in the region. At least member at the outpost reported a couple of sightings.

[ProblemChild]

It looked like the normal stuff, until I saw the video at "1.33" with that circle shape. From the NASA videos I have, they look about the same, but the NASA one is 10x larger.

A good investigation here:

http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/foxufo/

[Pandora'sParadox]

Were would an intelligent civilization hide? In the mountains and in the oceans... o_O

[whoknows]

You know you wanna make one... :das

Not me man, I question the truths I think know.

[whoknows]

Were would an intelligent civilization hide? In the mountains and in the oceans... o_O

LOL is this a trick question?

In plain sight!

[Pandora'sParadox]

So we both agree, that they ARE here...just locations are unknown. Why hide at all? Not one curious lil alien dude didn't just rebel and say hi?

And now I gotta watch the movie "Paul". lol

[Pandora'sParadox]

Can't wait till all this is behind us...

Then the topic thread will be, "Equal rights for E.T.'s" or "Futuristic tech cures all human known ailments."



Patiently waiting...

[whoknows]

So we both agree, that they ARE here...just locations are unknown. Why hide at all? Not one curious lil alien dude didn't just rebel and say hi?

And now I gotta watch the movie "Paul". lol

I don't know I have not seen one, though there was the that time...:yikes:

Doesn't matter though. We are space people traveling on spaceship earth wondering the galaxy. "There are roomers that the ship is ours so you got to roll with it, even though your masters head is blown off, ya got to let go or ya stay."

[Pandora'sParadox]

Shwing!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITH3gwccX0A

This is the documentary I referenced before...didn't know you tube had the full version. I have the original version so I will watch both and see if there is editing. Def an interesting watch.

[Pandora'sParadox]

Just watched this episode, unfortunately you tube doesn't have the full episode to post. It deals with E.T.'s of a negative nature around the appalachian areas. This episode carries some relevance to my blog posts, and is one scary/inlightening watch. o_O


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9V9QTPXlGI

[Pandora'sParadox]

Canada's increased sightings
http://www.anonymousfo.com/TheLatestUFOs/LatestUFOs.html

Received this update last night.
http://neighborhood6.tumblr.com/post/69356683809/pretty-sure-i-saw-a-ufo-tonight-the-nearest


More lights over Phoenix... :das

[Pandora'sParadox]

How did we not acknowledge that dragons are back? Game of thrones style disclosure? :bleh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQkvVKH3gMU

[Pandora'sParadox]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/robynwilder/british-man-claims-to-have-photographed-actual-fairies?s=mobile

Interesting...

[Pandora'sParadox]

Came across this in the Sep. 08 issue of MUFON. Pretty interesting...

Book Review . . .
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash

Reviewed by Nicholas Roesler
On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River, near the
Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the
sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An
unidentified flying disc traveling at 2700 miles per hour collided
with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The
flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the desert below,
igniting a desperate race by two governments to recover
technology from beyond the stars…
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash, the first
of a planned three-book series by authors Noe Torres and
Ruben Uriarte, tells of the 1974 midair collision of a Cessna
passenger aircraft, with an as-yet unidentified aerial craft in
the desert surrounding Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico. The
Cessna was heading south from El Paso, Texas, en route to
Mexico City. The pilot of the aircraft, believed to have been
the only person aboard, was presumed killed. No body was
ever recovered from the crash site or surrounding area.
The book was born out of a 2005 television documentary
on which Ruben Uriarte, spoke extensively on the case. He is
the State Director for MUFON in Northern California.
The case involved both the United States and Mexican
militaries, with the Mexican military’s involvement reaching
the highest levels, including SEDENA, Mexico’s equivalent to
the US FBI.
When one takes into account that militaries from two
countries were involved, the authors’ accomplishments
become all the more remarkable.
The authors had the unenviable task of actively researching and investigating a case that, at the time of publication,
was over thirty years old. The crash at Coyame is the perfect
subject for a full-length case study, given the striking parallels drawn by the authors between that case and the 1947
Roswell incident, as far as the recovery operation by United
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash
States and Mexican military
personnel is concerned.
Faced with a very cold
case, authors Ruben Uriarte
and Noe Torres investigated
every avenue firsthand,
interviewing witnesses with
firsthand knowledge of the
event, including the locals in
Coyame, Mexican military
personnel, and others in the
surrounding area. In this
respect, the case becomes a
human interest story. Given
the nature of the incident
itself, it is impressive that the
witnesses speak so candidly
to the authors about their experiences and impressions
regarding the incident and subsequent military recovery
operation.
While the title Mexico’s Roswell is perhaps a misnomer, it
is nonetheless apropos in terms of the importance of the
case. The scope and breadth of this case is every bit as
worthy of study as its American counterpart.
The crash of the aircraft itself is only the very beginning
of the story. The issue then becomes the recovery of debris
by a joint team consisting of US and Mexican military
personnel. The authors’ study and detailing of the military
aspects of this case is first-rate.
Mexico’s Roswell is well researched, well written, and
well constructed as a whole. They could have, however,
offered a bit more detailed background information to readers
coming to this case cold, or by expanding the entire work in
a later edition.
At 220 pages, Mexico’s Roswell is a reasonably quick
read; the average reader should be able to read it in the span
of a weekend.
Torres and Uriarte are to be commended to tackling such
an important case, whose impact on ufology may just now
be coming to light thanks to the research they have undertaken. A definite must-read.
MEXICO’S ROSWELL is the first of a three book series by
co–authors Ruben Uriarte and Noe Torres. The Authors’
second work in this series, The Other Roswell: UFO Crash
on the Texas-Mexico Border, is currently available. This
book discusses the eyewitness testimony of Colonel Robert
Willingham, who claims to have chased a UFO across
Texas, saw it crash to the earth near Del Rio, Texas, and
later visited the crash site. The title and subject of the
authors’ third offering has yet to be announced.
For further information, see: www.RoswellBooks.com

[Pandora'sParadox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZXxeFYw7jA

I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...

[Doc]

Came across this in the Sep. 08 issue of MUFON. Pretty interesting...

Book Review . . .
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash

Reviewed by Nicholas Roesler
On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River, near the
Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the
sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An
unidentified flying disc traveling at 2700 miles per hour collided
with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The
flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the desert below,
igniting a desperate race by two governments to recover
technology from beyond the stars…
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash, the first
of a planned three-book series by authors Noe Torres and
Ruben Uriarte, tells of the 1974 midair collision of a Cessna
passenger aircraft, with an as-yet unidentified aerial craft in
the desert surrounding Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico. The
Cessna was heading south from El Paso, Texas, en route to
Mexico City. The pilot of the aircraft, believed to have been
the only person aboard, was presumed killed. No body was
ever recovered from the crash site or surrounding area.
The book was born out of a 2005 television documentary
on which Ruben Uriarte, spoke extensively on the case. He is
the State Director for MUFON in Northern California.
The case involved both the United States and Mexican
militaries, with the Mexican military’s involvement reaching
the highest levels, including SEDENA, Mexico’s equivalent to
the US FBI.
When one takes into account that militaries from two
countries were involved, the authors’ accomplishments
become all the more remarkable.
The authors had the unenviable task of actively researching and investigating a case that, at the time of publication,
was over thirty years old. The crash at Coyame is the perfect
subject for a full-length case study, given the striking parallels drawn by the authors between that case and the 1947
Roswell incident, as far as the recovery operation by United
Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash
States and Mexican military
personnel is concerned.
Faced with a very cold
case, authors Ruben Uriarte
and Noe Torres investigated
every avenue firsthand,
interviewing witnesses with
firsthand knowledge of the
event, including the locals in
Coyame, Mexican military
personnel, and others in the
surrounding area. In this
respect, the case becomes a
human interest story. Given
the nature of the incident
itself, it is impressive that the
witnesses speak so candidly
to the authors about their experiences and impressions
regarding the incident and subsequent military recovery
operation.
While the title Mexico’s Roswell is perhaps a misnomer, it
is nonetheless apropos in terms of the importance of the
case. The scope and breadth of this case is every bit as
worthy of study as its American counterpart.
The crash of the aircraft itself is only the very beginning
of the story. The issue then becomes the recovery of debris
by a joint team consisting of US and Mexican military
personnel. The authors’ study and detailing of the military
aspects of this case is first-rate.
Mexico’s Roswell is well researched, well written, and
well constructed as a whole. They could have, however,
offered a bit more detailed background information to readers
coming to this case cold, or by expanding the entire work in
a later edition.
At 220 pages, Mexico’s Roswell is a reasonably quick
read; the average reader should be able to read it in the span
of a weekend.
Torres and Uriarte are to be commended to tackling such
an important case, whose impact on ufology may just now
be coming to light thanks to the research they have undertaken. A definite must-read.
MEXICO’S ROSWELL is the first of a three book series by
co–authors Ruben Uriarte and Noe Torres. The Authors’
second work in this series, The Other Roswell: UFO Crash
on the Texas-Mexico Border, is currently available. This
book discusses the eyewitness testimony of Colonel Robert
Willingham, who claims to have chased a UFO across
Texas, saw it crash to the earth near Del Rio, Texas, and
later visited the crash site. The title and subject of the
authors’ third offering has yet to be announced.
For further information, see: www.RoswellBooks.com (http://www.RoswellBooks.com)

That is a good book review. Too bad the case is not more recent but it does add to the literature in solid way.

[Doc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZXxeFYw7jA

I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...

That is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen!

[CasperParks]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZXxeFYw7jA

I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...

Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless... :zip:

[Doc]

Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless... :zip:

Right. Unless there is no choice?

I think there is also a strong possibility that it is a very odd human hired through the byzantine DC influence of politics as it is played in the 21st Century.

[Pandora'sParadox]

Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless... :zip:


I remember coming across the original video of the instance...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2mjs_gdMAI

I agree that keeping him in plain sight would have worked...20 yrs ago. With media the way it is, everything is recorded...so a man whipping his head from side to side almost like one of those "dancing cobra's in a jar", would get easily noticed. This sort of went along with Snowdens claims of un-human influences within our government.

With much (heated) discussion, my final say on the matter was, "I bet they won't let that happen again..." :o LoL
But...with this oddly coming back up, you can expect a lot more cameras on the service men from now on.

[Edgar Fouche]

Lazar has shown proof that he did work for DNI. Hence, his W-2's...and if he is a phony, why sentence his for things he "allegedly" did? O_o
And...people act like this dept. doesn't exist. There are these kind of dept.'s in every aspect of the military branches. YOU just never hear about it because it doesn't concern civilians...

(you would figure, being in the air, this would follow under USAF...but the Navy has a lock down on all things intelligent.)

http://www.menphis75.com/images/studioufo/bob%20lazar.JPG
Now, the story is...that Mr. Lazar went and got a blank w-2, then typed it up himself. (why?) to further his claims? Then how did Mr. Lear come up with those home made vhs's with him and bob watching the test flights...?
ok, say he did make it all up...when was the last time you heard of the government sentencing an individual for "not working there, and no evidence?"
mmm...the reason i still use bob as a reference, is somethings just can't be overturned just because you can't figure it out. Having talked to him, and questioning his science and credentials...he explains that the "theories" were taught to him and the science was not backed. Simply, "The means do not follow the standard way we think of how science should be." Like someone teaching you to write with your other hand, its possible; just not the norm.
You can "debunk" people for days, but if you don't actually hunt for yourself, you find your just believing other peoples opinions. Therefor perpetuating the endless trudge of barriers we face today when doing "our kind" of research...

Sorry, you are wrong. Bob took a pay stub when he was a 'photo processor tech, the date on his fake/washed/retyped W-2 had the WRONG year of employment according to his interviews, videos, and posted diary. Even John Lear has admitted that Lazar only worked at Los Alamos for five days. Yet we're expected to believe he 'dropped' off his resume on the way to fly a Janet flight to Area 51.

I've worked many Black TS programs in my almost 30 year career in the USAF and DoD. It takes a couple of months to get a new SAP (Special Access Program) even if you have a Top Secret SBI clearance. Yet he 'drops off his resume' on the way to the Top Secret Groom AB and the proven phony Area S-4 at Papoose Dry lake south of Groom? Really? Many military personnel, geologist, and area witnesses have said endlessly, even with satellite overflight high definition pictures that there are NO facilities at Papoose Dry Lake as Lazar claimed.

Not only that, lying Lazar said there were hanger doors in the mountain side, concrete ramps, a massive asphalt parking lot, an improved asphalt road from Groom to Papoose Dry Lake, and halogen lights around the parking lot and ramps. ALL OF THIS BS has been proved a lie over and over.

His W-2 has been examined by experts. It was washed, retyped, and retyped with the wrong year, and the employee was the Department of Naval Intelligence. Which hasn't existed since WWII. Under the reorganization of the Army and the creation of the USAF in 1947 by President Truman, the War Department was changed to the Department of Defense. The SUB departments were the Departments of the Navy, Army, Air Force, Coast Guard. From then to NOW the National Security Agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, Homeland Security are all under the DoD.

QUOTE: "(you would figure, being in the air, this would follow under USAF...but the Navy has a lock down on all things intelligent.)"
You are so wrong. The National Security Agency, the National Reconnaissance, Space Command, and all forms of crypto/cryptological intelligence is controlled by the NSA, NRO under the US Air Force. Same as the smoke and mirrors deception known as NASA!

Roger Leir and Gene Huff lied through their teeth to support Lazar, hoping their would be a BIG movie and book deal!

Lazar has NO PROVEN EDUCATION other than a few courses at Pierce Junior College. Yes, he is a self educated science hack who has interesting hobbies.

The military tracks and documents everything you do all the time! Every hour of your training, every hour of your schools, your annual reviews, your temporary and permanent duty assignments, who your chain of commend is/was, all awards, decorations, and citations, every base you were at, every Special Access Program you were granted access to, all classified documents you had access to, your SBI (Special Background Investigation and when it was done, your prior education before you had a clearance, interviews with your family, co-workers, friends, and former Professors and schooling.

And to get a clearance of Top Secret, with a specific SAP at Groom, regardless of your job would have taken a minimum of ONE YEAR! Yes even back then.

A further point is that on Lazar's FAKED W-2 he says the OMB number on the W-2 is classified. Look it up, the Office of Management and Budget number is nothing more than a document (form) number.

If that weren't enough proof of a total fraud, Lazar puts 'E-6722MAJ' on the W-2. Yes lets put the most private and protected and secret group in the world on someone's W-2 which is public information if you want to file a request. Really, people like Lazar, Burisch, Sherman, etc., are the reason professional researchers and scientists, shy away from UFO research. Who am I? How do I know?
Post #19
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1801-Edgar-Fouche-Military-Records-Released/page2

A debunking that I, Edgar Fouche, and Bigpappy51 (Danny) and I researched for Alienscientist/Jeremy Rys.

[Sansanoy]

For the first video the light is a big deal. The explanation is that the light is dim because they are sensitive to light. However the light that does exist is not where it would be preferable to the being, such as above him, it's in fact in front of him shining right into his eyes. If you look at the top of the aliens head there is a shadow up there because the light is being cast from the camera side of the room and shining right on the aliens face. You can even see the light source reflecting right off the beings eyes. Secondly they shine flash lights directly into the beings eyes like they are checking them for dilated pupils. It also makes me wonder what the purpose of the video is, the only thing that really happens in it is they ruffie the poor creature and then start harvesting the drool...its very bizarre.

If it were real the best explanation for why the room was dim would be because the creature is sensitive to light, but it's clear from the positioning and usage of the ambient light and flash lights that they don't care about this condition of the alien. I think it's fake, because the only good explanation for why the light would be dim is not exemplified in the video itself. Another thought is instead of making a video in the dark, why not give him sunglasses:cool:. Not only would it be awesome, you wouldn't have to work in the dark.