Gnosticism - The Forbidden Religion - Jose M. Herrou Aragon

[lycaeus]

I'm very fond of Gnosticism. So I'd like to recommend this guy's books. I'm almost done The Forbidden Religion, which was inspired by lessons in his dreams. H alsoe has another book on Parapsychology that looks really good too and gets into psychic self defence. It's all on the website.

http://www.theforbiddenreligion.com/gnostic-book.htm#.Uzjom-ddXiM

And here are the 32 Gnostic Statements from the site:

THE 32 GNOSTIC STATEMENTS OF THE FORBIDDEN RELIGION

1- Jehovah does not want man to know his origin or his great destiny. He forbids all contact with the higher world. He wants man to be a reflection of him, the creator, and not a reflection of the Supreme God.

2- Just as the creator cursed the serpent when it destroyed his plans and ruined his work, so must the creator be cursed by every man who has woken up. Just as the creator cursed the Serpent of Salvation, so the creator himself will be cursed as long as he exists, by every Spirit liberated from his clutches.

3- It is the divine energy of the imprisoned Spirit which impelled and continues to impel the evolution of the man-animal!

4- Gnostics do not want to wait thousands of millions of years. They want to liberate themselves now, as soon as possible. And not only liberate themselves. They also want to put an end to this whole satanic system, the breathing of the demiurge and his insane plans, the torment of the imprisoned Spirits, the successive creations and destructions, death and reincarnation, everything created, everything that is impure and the demiurge as well.

5- The worst thing that can be done to the Truth is to forbid it. The opposite effect will be produced: it will emerge with more strength and violence.

6- That is the reason for the fear and that is the reason for the Conspiracy: so that nobody can ever find the Path of Liberation and Return.

7- The aim of these religions is to keep man asleep, leading him blindly to the final slaughterhouse: his fusion with the demiurge.

8- If man could withstand the vision of True Light without dying, he would only see unfathomable darkness, because he would be seeing the True Light.

9- Warriors of the Spirit loathe matter. They are indeed destroyers, but destroyers of the impure.

10- Only the absurd aspects would be destroyed, the sick part, that which imprisons the Spirit, the coffin which encases It: the body and soul of the animal wrongly called man.

11- And the day everything that is garbage is destroyed, that is to say, the day on which all creation and its creator are disintegrated, when nothing remains, not even a single atom, body or soul, only the Spirits will remain, freed forever. Now there will be no more duality and the world will go back to being one and only one: the Unknowable Eternal Fire.

12- Gnostics conclude then that if those laws are those of the demiurge, they can and must be disobeyed.

13- All that the creator says, orders and demands must be disobeyed, because he is not the True God but an imposter who considers himself to be “the Only One”.

14- Through his constant opposition, the Gnostic gradually acquires a power equal then later superior to that of the creator god.

15- What happens is that there is something in man which was not created by the creator god: the Eternal Spirit.

16- This rebellion comes from the Spirit. It is the uncreated in man which loathes and opposes the creator satan and his work.

17- The creator god exists, but he must be eliminated by man.

18- The duality of worlds must be eliminated by man so there will be only one kingdom: that of the Unknowable God.

19- Most of them do not want to know the truth: that they are living in a huge mental institution invented and controlled by the Supreme Madman.

20- His impure body and soul have been deified by the Spirit and no longer belong to the demiurge. His body, soul and Spirit have been converted into only one thing: something indestructible, immortal and eternal.

21- The path of the right hand towards the demiurge by means of perfection of the soul, or the Path of the Left Hand, towards the Unknowable God by means of liberation of the Spirit.

22- Real kaivalya inevitably includes total and absolute separation from the demiurge himself.

23- This is the natural hostility of the Spirit towards the demiurge and his work. If the Spirit felt love for the demiurge and his creation, it would not be a Spirit, it would be a soul. The soul is pure love (for the demiurge and his work). The Spirit is pure hate (for the demiurge and his work).

24- It is good to remember that, although persecuted and denied, liberation and fulfilment of the Spirit also exist.

25- The initiate recognizes the Unknowable God, rejects the authority of the creator god and his commands, and declares that he has been forever liberated from the power of the demiurge.

26- By means of the initiation, the initiate has radically changed his relation with the creator god. He has separated himself from the demiurge and all creation. He has separated himself from his body and soul. He is now outside the laws which govern the world of matter and time. He is now outside everything, except his Spirit.

27- I want to separate myself from the creator god and his creation, I want to separate myself from matter and time, I want to separate myself from my body and soul, I want to unite myself with my Spirit, I want my Spirit to be liberated, I want to be my Spirit, I am my Spirit.

28- Originally impure, made from mortal demiurgic matter, the body and soul will be transmuted into divine and eternal matter by the Spirit: the indestructible vajra . The mud and breath of the demiurge will thus become pure and glorious. They will form only one entity with the Spirit, inseparable and indissoluble for the whole of eternity.

29- The triumphant Spirit has seized from the demiurge part of his creation, a body and a soul, and has transformed them into divine matter over which the demiurge has no control. The created has been transmuted into the uncreated by the power of the Spirit!

30- The time for the Spirit's revenge has arrived.

31- The body and soul, deified and incorporated by the Spirit, will be the trophy which the Spirit will flaunt eternally as a souvenir of Its triumphant passage through the perverse world of created matter.

32- In this way, all duality will have disappeared and the world will go back to being only one: the Eternal Kingdom of the True and Unknowable God.

[mek]

I have some interest into the subject. I've learned that Gnostics hate this demiurge, yet I haven't yet had learned enough what they held/hold as real god of their's or is it like they have none at all. Well the post was interesting, well sort of, perhaps not as original Gnostic writing as the Gnostics were back when it started. Also there is a certain amount of hate in the statements, sort of hate towards the demiurge, I'm not sure if such is a very good point of view towards such entity, if there is such anyway. Of course I have my own opinion about these matters, but I collected below a few statements and I'd like to know what does one think about these questions.




1- Jehovah does not want man to know his origin or his great destiny. He forbids all contact with the higher world. He wants man to be a reflection of him, the creator, and not a reflection of the Supreme God.

13- All that the creator says, orders and demands must be disobeyed, because he is not the True God but an imposter who considers himself to be “the Only One”.

18- The duality of worlds must be eliminated by man so there will be only one kingdom: that of the Unknowable God.

25- The initiate recognizes the Unknowable God, rejects the authority of the creator god and his commands, and declares that he has been forever liberated from the power of the demiurge.

32- In this way, all duality will have disappeared and the world will go back to being only one: the Eternal Kingdom of the True and Unknowable God.


Who or what is this Supreme/True/Unknowable God?



15- What happens is that there is something in man which was not created by the creator god: the Eternal Spirit.


This sounds true to me to some extent. However one creates sort of one's own spirit in my view, since one decides about what one is about through one's own actions and choices.



16- This rebellion comes from the Spirit. It is the uncreated in man which loathes and opposes the creator satan and his work.

20- His impure body and soul have been deified by the Spirit and no longer belong to the demiurge. His body, soul and Spirit have been converted into only one thing: something indestructible, immortal and eternal.

23- This is the natural hostility of the Spirit towards the demiurge and his work. If the Spirit felt love for the demiurge and his creation, it would not be a Spirit, it would be a soul. The soul is pure love (for the demiurge and his work). The Spirit is pure hate (for the demiurge and his work).

24- It is good to remember that, although persecuted and denied, liberation and fulfilment of the Spirit also exist.

26- By means of the initiation, the initiate has radically changed his relation with the creator god. He has separated himself from the demiurge and all creation. He has separated himself from his body and soul. He is now outside the laws which govern the world of matter and time. He is now outside everything, except his Spirit.

27- I want to separate myself from the creator god and his creation, I want to separate myself from matter and time, I want to separate myself from my body and soul, I want to unite myself with my Spirit, I want my Spirit to be liberated, I want to be my Spirit, I am my Spirit.

28- Originally impure, made from mortal demiurgic matter, the body and soul will be transmuted into divine and eternal matter by the Spirit: the indestructible vajra . The mud and breath of the demiurge will thus become pure and glorious. They will form only one entity with the Spirit, inseparable and indissoluble for the whole of eternity.

29- The triumphant Spirit has seized from the demiurge part of his creation, a body and a soul, and has transformed them into divine matter over which the demiurge has no control. The created has been transmuted into the uncreated by the power of the Spirit!

30- The time for the Spirit's revenge has arrived.

31- The body and soul, deified and incorporated by the Spirit, will be the trophy which the Spirit will flaunt eternally as a souvenir of Its triumphant passage through the perverse world of created matter.

What is this Spirit?



21- The path of the right hand towards the demiurge by means of perfection of the soul, or the Path of the Left Hand, towards the Unknowable God by means of liberation of the Spirit.


What exactly would this Spirit have to be freed from?


Was an interesting post however, I think this subject is interesting also. It's like I'm into this spiritual pondering a lot, there are truths and not so true things, or misunderstandings and such etc. a lot, even in common beliefs and religions. The ultimate truth is so hard to get from these things. Leaves many believing into things, which are not so good for oneself, well maybe I'm wrong. But still it's good to have these things going on in the mind, so that one lifts up from the ground level and such. :angel_not:

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[Doc]

I read through all the 32 Statements and was surprised at how complicated and almost artificially difficult the ideas were to follow. I've found the idea of hidden knowledge and salvation through knowing to be interesting but what I read makes me less likely to want to know more of this brand of Gnosticism.

[montalk]

Compare with Philip K. Dick's summary / personal understanding of Gnosticism:



The Ten Major Principles of the Gnostic Revelation

From Exegesis, by Philip K. Dick

The Gnostic Christians of the second century believed that only a special revelation of knowledge rather than faith could save a person. The contents of this revelation could not be received empirically or derived a priori. They considered this special gnosis so valuable that it must be kept secret. Here are the ten major principles of the gnostic revelation:

1. The creator of this world is demented.

2. The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

3. There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward

- returning there
- bringing it here.

4. Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.

5. Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us. This other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor. We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity. The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.

6. You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.

7. Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).

8. Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it. Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.

9. The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil) will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.

10. During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to, the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

To know these ten principles of Gnostic Christianity is to court disaster.


By "creator of this world" the Gnostics mean the creator of our 3D space-time-matter-energy universe, which is not necessarily the True God who is the creator of the entire multidimensional framework of existence, of which our 3D universe is but a subset -- a subset pretending to be the only reality, or equally a veil that obscures the greater reality beyond it.

Our 5-sense reality is seen as a kind of "matrix," and its creator is just an impostor pretending to be the True God. The goal of the fake god / demiurge is to totally consume our spirit, lock it into matter, and make us entirely subservient to matter-based impulses such as dog-eat-dog survivalism, materialism, and deterministic (non-freewill) types of behaviors. Or else it creates false systems of spirituality that make you think you're becoming free, but you're just being lead down a dark path.

The basic gist is that we can see through that veil, awaken from our matter-induced amnesia of who we really are, and we can establish contact with the True God, with the Paraclete / Holy Spirit, and/or with the higher part of our being that isn't our lower mortal mind. It's also implied that by doing so, we gain back control over our lives, our bodies, souls, and environment, from the grips of the deterministic matrix.

There are some satanists, luciferians, left-hand-pathers that use the banner of gnosticism to preach a kind of "rebellion against all control, transcendence beyond all limitation" that differs from true gnosticism in that it purposely ignores or rejects the existence of an absolute divine ethical framework.

[Doc]

Yet another reason to like Philip K. Dick. His summary is less off-putting and yet, true to the more complex one above. It always seemed to me that with our brains as what takes to the top of the food chain, to deny or suppress our intellect in favor of 'blind faith" as the way od knowing good did not make much sense. Surely, we are meant to know and understand.

[mek]

I find these principles interesting. They indeed are more sound than the almost hateful and initiating principles the earlier mentioned were. However I find the Gnostic teaching slightly misguided, and these principles are maybe true Gnostic teachings, with perhaps some modifications, I'm not sure.



1. The creator of this world is demented.

I think the creator of this world is the same as creator of the unseen world so to speak. These worlds are connected to each other seamlessly, from what I've learned.



2. The world is not as it appears, in order to hide the evil in it, a delusive veil obscuring it and the deranged deity.

I think evil is not hidden, it's in plain view and maybe the demiurge is blamed from that what people make themselves into the world. Similar to how devil is blamed from all that is bad, when it's the people who create it by themselves.



3. There is another, better realm of God, and all our efforts are to be directed toward

- returning there
- bringing it here.

True there is another world, but it's not like things are wrong in that sense. I think this reality called world is as much needed as are the other worlds. I think it's better to be content rather than complaining about the state of affairs.



4. Our actual lives stretch thousands of years back, and we can be made to remember our origin in the stars.

Why only thousands of years, might be that the time some have lived spans back across the time of this universe.



5. Each of us has a divine counterpart unfallen who can reach a hand down to us to awaken us. This other personality is the authentic waking self; the one we have now is asleep and minor. We are in fact asleep, and in the hands of a dangerous magician disguised as a good god, the deranged creator deity. The bleakness, the evil and pain in this world, the fact that it is a deterministic prison controlled by the demented creator causes us willingly to split with the reality principle early in life, and so to speak willingly fall asleep in delusion.

The good god the impostor might be called some kind of divinity, yet such entity is nothing but a ruler not the creator. I think the creator is a real one, and that everything is actually consisting of his functions. Everywhere and not only in this physical reality.




6. You can pass from the delusional prison world into the peaceful kingdom if the True Good God places you under His grace and allows you to see reality through His eyes.

This might be true, there are other worlds outside this universe and places like Heaven exist in my view. But they are not places where one should live for eternity, if one is able to live in this world. Since this world is better for certain entities.



7. Christ gave, rather than received, revelation; he taught his followers how to enter the kingdom while still alive, where other mystery religions only bring about amnesis: knowledge of it at the "other time" in "the other realm," not here. He causes it to come here, and is the living agency to the Sole Good God (i.e. the Logos).

I believe that Christ is in dealing with the impostor divinity. So he isn't as miraculous as some think. Yet he is a special entity, and not a total impostor entity.



8. Probably the real, secret Christian church still exists, long underground, with the living Corpus Christi as its head or ruler, the members absorbed into it. Through participation in it they probably have vast, seemingly magical powers.

Miracle work is possible. It can be very hidden yet very influential.



9. The division into "two times" (good and evil) and "two realms" (good and evil) will abruptly end with victory for the good time here, as the presently invisible kingdom separates and becomes visible. We cannot know the date.

Good and evil are the two sides of the same coin. What matters is wrong and right more than were it good or bad.



10. During this time period we are on the sifting bridge being judged according to which power we give allegiance to, the deranged creator demiurge of this world or the One Good God and his kingdom, whom we know through Christ.

I would think it's more about oneself than like one should care about such demiurge and what he wants. Also making allegiances with any entity, would be harmful. Since there are no perfect beings.


I wanted to put my own thoughts to challenge these principles. There is loads of matters thought not so well in my opinion in these teachings. I've found in my opinion slightly more information about such matters, than what the common belief is.

[lycaeus]

Montalk that was a really good explanation. I love Philip K Dick books.

I don't understand all of those statements but a lot of it is intriguing and seems to make sense. They say the Gnostics were the ancient conspiracy theorists because of their unorthodox beliefs that set them apart.

I can see how some of the statements could be used to justify a destructive or hateful lifestyle like this:

12- Gnostics conclude then that if those laws are those of the demiurge, they can and must be disobeyed.

In a positive interpretation, this could be about using the power of the higher mind, or Spirit, to transcend physical limitations. "Disobey the physical laws" by overpowering them with the power of your Spirit, like by healing your body with your mind, or developing psychic abilities. In a negative way, an ignorant person could use this as an excuse to go against their biological instincts that tell them to keep the body healthy and to not physically hurt others, or damage the environment. And they might do drugs, or hurt others which is not good.


Just as the creator cursed the serpent when it destroyed his plans and ruined his work, so must the creator be cursed by every man who has woken up.
This quote sounds pretty negative indeed for example. They say that since carbon is almost everywhere in the physical universe, and it has 6 electrons, protons, and neutrons, than the physical matter or Matrix is Satan, and by extension, the Demiurge, which is a lesser, false God than the real big guy upstairs. But this line is hard for me to get my head around because the physical world can be a beautiful thing. Couldn't there be physical worlds that are a spiritual paradise? Why curse all of creation? Its interesting material though nonetheless, it seems dark in a way. I was feeling a bit dark and victimized when I first read it, maybe that's why I was so attracted, but a lot of the Gnostic stuff is very uplifting to me for the most part. You always have to listen to your heart and truth inside. Jesus taught how to escape the limitations.

Jesus quote:

(28) Jesus said: I stood in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in the flesh. I found them all drunk; I found none of them thirsting, and my soul was afflicted for the sons of men; for they are blind in their heart, and they do not see that they came empty into the world, (and) empty they seek to leave the world again. But now they are drunk. When they have thrown off their wine, they will repent.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas28.html
I think he's talking about how people have become so infatuated with physicality, they are intoxicated or 'drunk' with it. So they've lost knowledge of their higher Spiritual aspects. This would be the negative side of physicality, when matter overpowers the spirit. That's the philosophy of Satanism basically. You have the inverted pentagram of the 4 Elements above the 5th Point pointing downwards. The 5th point is Spirit.

The distinction between Soul and Spirit is fascinating to me. Back in the day humans were known to have body, soul, and spirit. But spirit was taken out of the equation to keep people unaware and easier to control, according to that book the Forbidden Religion. Most people use the terms 'soul' and 'spirit' interchangeably (if they even use those terms at all). But I've always noticed some differences amongst people. So the concepts of hylics and organic portals simply made sense to me, especially considering the evidence of genetically engineering and manipulating different human races on the planet. Castaneda talked about how some people didn't have that 'luminous cocoon' so they were missing something in their being. Without getting too judgemental I'd say that not all humans have that spirit component in them which comes from 'the higher realm' and they come from the physical world, having body and soul but no spirit.

I think the soul is basically your astral body, where your passions and emotions are. The soul energy goes to the Demiurge when you die, or the Eagle in Toltec terms, or the Moon I've also heard. If you can't separate the soul from your spirit than your spirit's trapped in the Demiurge some groups say. Though I think a lot of the fear of damnation and devouring of your spirit is a tactic of the dark and probably not true. It [the soul] connects the Spirit to the body. The Spirit is the core of your consciousness, the observer. Like if you get angry because a mosquito bites you, you could become emotional and swear loudly out of irritation. But the Spirit is not so concerned with the physical body and emotions, it is distinct. I notice some people identify with their body and emotions much more than others, who seem to have more of a natural objectivity about themselves, and I think these distinctions of spirit, soul, and body might explain things. Lack of spirit would also explain why hylic people are so comfortable in the physical realm with no aspiration for something higher. These distinctions would also explain much of the polarity and butting of heads on so many issues in our world.

The themes of Spirits from the 'higher world' of the 'true God' being trapped here does seem to make sense. It fits in with the writings of Robert Morningsky and Truman Cash regarding the white light trap and ET controllers. And also Robert Monroe's writings about Spirits forgetting who they are and becoming trapped in the cycle of physical reincarnation because of attachment to physicality.

But if these far-out theories are true, then why would the Demiurge and its minions the Archons entrap Spirit beings in physicality? Is it all about feeding on loosh, the spiritual energy that the physical world can not generate on its own? Is that why so-called 'spiritless humans' or 'hylics' seem to mirror the spiritual energy of and psychically vampirize those with that spiritual consciousness in them? I've read that the Demiurge is trying to copy the "Pleroma", the 'true' more divine world, but its only a simulacra.

There are a lot of theories. I've even heard one theory related to Castaneda's writing, that the Matrix reality only exists because of the spiritual energy we give to it, the attention we pay to it. Our minds uphold the illusion and limitations. Maybe that is why more enlightened spiritual masters can transcend the laws of physicality; because they see through the illusions, giving no energy to it, therefore they are not bound by those physical limitations and perform those incredible feats we hear about.

[Doc]

I think they ideas of mek and Lyceous touched on--that the Propositions of Gnosticism that were posted tend toward a negative and hateful approach and lifestyle are very accurate. The Propositions also seem unnecessarily convoluted.

I once read a book on creationism that was given to me by a pastor. He wanted me to see the argument against evolution by a Creation Scientist. Basically, it said that God had for some reason had hidden the truth from us. I didn't know much back then but that sure didn't seem right to me. I went looking for some refutation of that and I found a criticism of Creation Science that said the 'God's way might be difficult to understand but probably would not contain outright deception'. Or put another way, "Why would a loving God be fooling us?" That made a lot more sense to me then and now. That lead me too a scholarly field of literature called Biblical Criticism which I read deeply into for about two years, which is why I'm nowhere as religious today as I was then. Still, the mainline Christian beliefs seem to have greater internal consistency. (Of course that would appeal to my linear-thinking brain.) :o

[mek]

I thought about the matter of the spirit and soul that were mentioned in the principles as well and about what lycaeus mentioned:


I think the soul is basically your astral body, where your passions and emotions are. The soul energy goes to the Demiurge when you die, or the Eagle in Toltec terms, or the Moon I've also heard. If you can't separate the soul from your spirit than your spirit's trapped in the Demiurge some groups say. Though I think a lot of the fear of damnation and devouring of your spirit is a tactic of the dark and probably not true. It [the soul] connects the Spirit to the body. The Spirit is the core of your consciousness, the observer. Like if you get angry because a mosquito bites you, you could become emotional and swear loudly out of irritation. But the Spirit is not so concerned with the physical body and emotions, it is distinct. I notice some people identify with their body and emotions much more than others, who seem to have more of a natural objectivity about themselves, and I think these distinctions of spirit, soul, and body might explain things. Lack of spirit would also explain why hylic people are so comfortable in the physical realm with no aspiration for something higher. These distinctions would also explain much of the polarity and butting of heads on so many issues in our world.

I agree there are many spirits in a human being. So I believe and what I think is the reality is that we do have a soul, that I'd call the persons main spirit, that is the most in control of the person or the highest spirit. Then there are other spirits also coming and going when the time is right. And some might stay for the complete time of the body and leave once the earthly life has ended like the soul does. And actually I believe some people have many of these sort of souls at the same time, and that it's not so uncommon. And there are also many smaller spirits controlling a person's body's functions etc. and sometimes there are harmful spirits in a person, like when possessed. So that is what I believe is the reality.

I think the Demiurge is not messing things in anyway, since I think it's an invented matter not a real truth. This is because I don't see a need for such creator of this physical reality, like I think this reality is connected to the others so that there is no real border even, but that these all affect other dimensions and worlds without anyone able to say I built this and he did that, I think. Actually I believe in the afterlife there is also a physical body like in this universe spirit's have a physical body, so that would mean there would have to be sort of own Demiurge for each dimension, and that would be quite impractical when there isn't the real creator anywhere in that sense, but these Demiurges building things as they wish. So I believe the demiurge is an invented matter from the Gnostic religion, like many things in religions in general are only matters to be believed in and not the truth. These there are so many in religions that actually from what I've learned is that there is a real lack of truths in our religions.

[montalk]

They say the Gnostics were the ancient conspiracy theorists because of their unorthodox beliefs that set them apart.

Pretty much. They were fumbling around for "ultimate truth" and every gnostic sect had its own angle, just like different conspiracy camps today. The Church said, "how can they claim to know the truth, if they all contradict each other and change their position over time? The truth is immutable, the Church's canon is immutable, therefore the Church's cannon is truth and these gnostics are full of crap." Of course that's a logical fallacy and the proper reply is: "Better to keep improving your model of the truth than prostrate before a fixed lie."

They had their extremists though. I don't agree with the idea that all matter, the physical universe, space and time are fundamentally evil and solely the creations of an evil demiurge. I don't agree that the physical body is evil and full of sin. That's on the level of the 9/11 holographic plane theory. I think some gnostics lost the plot and went overboard with their interpretations. Even if they were shown things, they lacked the context to interpret it objectively. At least today we have the internet and libraries and each other to compare notes with.

As far as the view that the universe itself is evil, well it makes more sense to me that the demiurge, matter, energy, space, time, bodies are basically neutral --- but that they serve as the "rope" in a tug of war between divine and infernal forces. I'm reminded of Ephesians 6:12 "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."

I mean just look around, everything good that is done in this world is done through the world, even if it has a divine origin. Everything evil done in this world is done through the world, even if evil in origin. The world is the chessboard. Even if you extend "world" to include the subtle energy realms, you still have demons emitting toxic subtle energy that makes us sick and weak, as well as positive beings (angels?) radiating positive subtle energy that can make us feel better. Or if you look within, you have your better side -- conscience, empathy, nobility, altruism -- and your worse side -- hateful, selfish, ignorant egotism.

So I'm in favor of the idea that the body and the world/universe can and must be conquered and transmuted by the divine impulse within and around us, rather than us trying to flee from the body and world. We can master it, or at least help it return to its rightful master. I think spitting on the body and the world and running away from it is like crawling back into the womb to hide. It's retrogressive.

[lycaeus]

Everyone brought up some good points. I don't think the physical world is inherently evil. But I'll admit was feeling a little victimized, not emotionally sober, I got excited and wanted to curse all of creation like that guy suggests. But that's not me. At the end of the day creation is a beautiful thing. Though there is a true need to connect with the higher aspects of ourselves for our own good. As evil as things are, even Satan, they are ultimately our spiritual allies giving us the catalyst to evolve as stronger people.

I'd have to agree that matter is essentially neutral and our world is a tug-of-war between the light and the dark. There are so many 'coincidences' or synchronicities here that you have to conclude there is some higher reality going on beyond this world. Maybe our world is like a movie and the cosmic battle is like a bunch of movie producers arguing over how to edit the final product?

Though Earth does seem fundamentally corrupt. Because we have to kill to live. Those are the rules of the game, that's how our reality is programmed. I was vegan for years but went back to eating meat because I'm utterly convinced it is necessary for my good health. My heart and mind were against the killing, but my body has to follow the rules here and do what works. But who knows, maybe in the future our DNA will evolve and we will get enough energy from just the sun and water, its possible.

What bothers me about the Demiurge concepts is that it will eat your soul forever. And that many religions, and mystical groups that talk of merging with the creator are unknowingly on the false path of the Demiurge being led to the slaughter as food. That's scary. But I can't accept that. I think if we don't evolve our souls well enough and soon enough, we'll probably have to reincarnate and experience more struggles to evolve, but not that an eternal spirit will be eternally damned. Though you could be tricked and evolve on the dark path. And there are obviously higher powers to tip the scales as well for us. We just have to show who's side we're on and if we're worth any help.

I don't know if I like the idea of merging into a homogenous ball of "Oneness" with the creator though maybe you'll have a different mindset at a higher level of existence about that. I don't know if that aspiration is a trick of the Demiurge, to 'lose yourself' in 'oneness' with nature, and connect with everyone, then finally the Demiurge. Or maybe it is dark forces trying to redirect positive spiritual impulses in the wrong direction by condemning good things. In the end its about finding the right balance between serving your self and serving others.

I was suspicious of the Ra material because his channellings advise us to evolve and eventually merge with the Creator. Does he mean the Demiurge?... And Ra is known as an Archontic parasite in demonology accounts. He's also known as a UFO-piloting Nordic alien from ancient Egypt who demanded war and warship. The Christians are tricked into praying to (Amen)-Ra and the Satanic celebrity Lady Gaga chants to Ra. So Ra seems like an agent of darkness. Maybe he's an agent of the Demiurge who takes various forms? Though the channelings have a lot of good advice. These could be different beings using the same name. Aliens do that.

[lycaeus]

I had to share this part of the book here.

The author Jose M. Herrou asks for Gnostic initiations in another dimension when he sleeps. What he gets is strange light phenomena in his room. The next time he finds 2 men in his room who stick a needle into his brain, and inject him with fluid. The 2 men act as if they must appear as they are as there 'is no other way'. They say they have come as requested. But Jose is unfortunately scared.

The third initiation is more benign, and involves a shape becoming engraved into his head by a laser beam from the same guys with the same light.

What does it mean???


Not only initiations of the Spirit, but also those of the
soul can be received in other dimensions.

In my case, I searched the world over and for many
years for someone who could give me the true Gnostic
initiation. In the end, I found out that person had been
living all those years less then a hundred metres from my
house! I had been searching distant countries for that which
was within arm’s reach. When I went and knocked on his
door I was told that he had left this world a short time ago.

My disappointment was so great that I thought the only
way to get the authentic Gnostic initiation would be to
initiate myself during sleep, in other dimensions of the
created world.

Next I am going to relate some of the experiences that
have happened to me.

One night, during which I had been reading “The Green
Face”, a book by Gustav Meyrink, before going to sleep I
mentally repeated “I want the liberation of my Spirit” many
times and then I fell asleep. Half an hour had passed when
a bright light woke me up. I kept my eyes closed but could
see a bright light; everything around me was light. I slowly
opened my eyes and realized that this intense light filled the
whole room. I thought that someone had got into my house
and put the lights on. But no, the lights were out; this was
a different light, a strange light that I had never seen before.

Without moving, I looked around the whole room and
found that the light was coming from one of the corners. A
beam of light was flowing out from the corner and had
already filled the room, gushing forth like a bright mist
which engulfed everything. Faced with phenomena such as
these we must try not to be afraid and remember that fear
does not exist for the Spirit. The Spirit is not afraid of
anything because It is indestructible, immortal and eternal.

Another night, after reading a few pages of the book
“The Theory of Eternal Life” by Rodney Collin, I resolved
to mentally repeat the words “I want to receive the
initiation of the Spirit” until I fell asleep. Forty minutes
later, the same light as before woke me up but now there
were also two people in the room. I kept my eyes closed,
but “sensed” that there were two men there, next to my bed.

I thought “How could they have got in, if the doors and
windows are locked and only I have the keys to the house?”

I was afraid to open my eyes, afraid to look at them and
afraid they would notice I had woken up. I heard a strange
and powerful voice: “You called us and we have come, and
now you are afraid!” I kept my eyes shut and did not reply.

I wanted to escape, but I was afraid they would attack me
if I tried. Next, I heard “You weren’t fully prepared” and
then “There is no other way”. They immediately nailed into
my head a kind of needle, without giving me time to react
or defend myself. I felt that they were injecting a kind of
liquid into my brain, using what appeared to me to be a
kind of metal syringe or something similar. Then I fell
asleep. From that day on I felt within me a sort of distance
with respect to the world and I knew without a doubt
exactly what the goal was to which I had to dedicate all my
efforts for the rest of my life. I also noticed that my doubts
and uncertainties about the most direct path to the Spirit
had disappeared.

Fear in a man is a sign that he is still identifying with
the created world and its laws. A sign that he still loves
matter, his body and soul, and does not want to lose them.
For that reason his separation from everything created must
be gradual. As he progresses with his Spiritualization his
fear diminishes, at the same time as, as we have already
said, his hostility towards the impure and the ephemeral
increases. This is the proof that a man is becoming close to
his Spirit.

Years later, I had a similar experience after mental
repetitions prior to sleep. The same light and the same men
appeared. This time the same voice said: “Now there is no
fear”. And next they leant a strange instrument against my
head which emitted some sort of laser beam. A strange
rhomboid-shaped symbol was then engraved on my head
by the beam. After that second experience, less invasive
than the first, I noticed that I was getting closer to my Spirit
without looking back or around me. The path had been
completely smoothed, transformed into a direct path and
now I only had to walk down it.

The third initiation aims to ease and help with the final
transmutation, the True Salvation.

--The Forbidden Religion

Those experiences took place in his bedroom, not some psychedelic dreamscape. If someone wrote an experience like that on a forum like this most of the users would think it was an abduction right? Or was this really a spiritual initiation? Were they interdimensional beings who were forced to appear in a certain form? Was the form they appeared in dictated by the initiate's vibration? Because the initiation experience was less rough when he wasn't so scared. But it was men in his room using what seems to us like alien technology.

There is a lot of talk on the internet about aliens being advanced interdimensional beings who's form depends on your consciousness. Hinting that if your consciousness sucks, you get the bad experiences. But that's not entirely true as very good, quality people receive negative experiences. And there is so much physical evidence of aliens and human military black operations. They are definitely more physical than mere apparitions of your subconscious mind.... But why did those guys have to act so aggressive with the needles saying it was because Jose was scared? If you're an advanced being, or angel intitiating a spiritual person, why not just give them a hug, or bless them with your energy, or give them a vision or something? Why all the needle theatrics? Or maybe this was an incomprehensible, metaphysical/energetic experience, an alteration to this guy's body and soul that he's never experienced before. So his mind had no previous programming to display the truth of the situation, so the experience was translated into a scene that reflects the limited contents of his human mind?

It's really strange in my opinion what this guy experienced. There is a greater reality beyond ours and its like our reality is programmed. People are programmed like video-game characters. I wonder how many suspected abduction experiences are more spiritual, dreams, or astral and how many are hard and physical procedures.

Was Jose programmed by beings for an agenda? I think most of us here agree that some of his precepts stated in this thread are a little too much on the harsh or extreme side. Perhaps he was programmed to disseminate a negative perception of this beautifully-insane world we call creation? Maybe his opinions were those of the interdimensional characters who appeared in his room and altered his thinking. He said he was certain of his path after those experiences. So I think some interdimensional team from the world beyond ours basically recruited him. Any thoughts??

[montalk]

They are definitely more physical than mere apparitions of your subconscious mind.... But why did those guys have to act so aggressive with the needles saying it was because Jose was scared? If you're an advanced being, or angel intitiating a spiritual person, why not just give them a hug, or bless them with your energy, or give them a vision or something? Why all the needle theatrics? Or maybe this was an incomprehensible, metaphysical/energetic experience, an alteration to this guy's body and soul that he's never experienced before. So his mind had no previous programming to display the truth of the situation, so the experience was translated into a scene that reflects the limited contents of his human mind?

If there were no scars or bruises or red marks, no blood on his bedsheets, no soreness after the fact, etc. then it sounds like it was a symbolic interpretation of some energetic/nonphysical event. I once had a benign entity do some kind of healing thing on my head; it manifested in the dream as getting a head massage, but I had dual awareness of my dream environment and bedroom environment and could tell it was something in the room doing something, which was manifesting symbolically in a dream.


Maybe his opinions were those of the interdimensional characters who appeared in his room and altered his thinking. He said he was certain of his path after those experiences. So I think some interdimensional team from the world beyond ours basically recruited him. Any thoughts??

It's also possible this could be another mind-mangler (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?823-Quasi-Alien-Mind-Manglers) situation. Let's say that theoretically he didn't put in the homework, wasn't ready, that he wasn't pulling his own weight and was just extending his hands for initiation like a lazy beggar out of some ego-based motive, that he lacked discernment and was in some way dupe-able enough to serve a negative agenda -- then his cry for initiation could only be fulfilled by forces that respond to that sort of thing. On the other hand, an earnest prayer/request from a place of wisdom, humility, integrity, need, and readiness gets the attention of benevolent forces too.


Was Jose programmed by beings for an agenda? I think most of us here agree that some of his precepts stated in this thread are a little too much on the harsh or extreme side. Perhaps he was programmed to disseminate a negative perception of this beautifully-insane world we call creation?

Well if he asked for initiation, got it, and wrote a book based on what he was shown, then its content should inadvertently reveal their agenda and possibly their nature. I'll read it and see if anything stands out.

[lycaeus]

Good points. It may have been symbolic, or a dream of his bedroom. Possibly some benevolent spirit beings or demons. Maybe even conspiratorial men in black types. Its hard to tell if its a highly psychic or technological being messing with your mind to get you to see whatever they want.

His book talks a lot about freeing the "Spirit" from the 'hell' of the body and soul. It says there are only 2 paths, either the path of the body and soul, or the path of the spirit. One leads to fusion with the Demiurge, and the other leads to eternal life as a free, eternal spirit. You either love creation, the body and soul, or you love the Spirit. If you love one aspect, you hate the other as these are two opposing poles, the soul and spirit are 'irreconcilable'.

The path it encourages is about freedom of the Spirit, saying nothing else in life is worthwhile. It minimalizes, even criticizes, in a way, love for the Earth, the animals and people because they are 'impure creations of the Demiurge'. At the end of the book it talks about having all trapped Spirits free themselves from the trappings of the physical universe, and in that way, the Demiurge will extinguish itself having no eternal spirits to move it forward or feed it.

When considering that men appear with technology used in abduction procedures, it puts his whole philosophy in a new light. Especially considering how he was instantly changed and sure of himself after the experience.

[mek]

Good points. It may have been symbolic, or a dream of his bedroom. Possibly some benevolent spirit beings or demons. Maybe even conspiratorial men in black types. Its hard to tell if its a highly psychic or technological being messing with your mind to get you to see whatever they want.

His book talks a lot about freeing the "Spirit" from the 'hell' of the body and soul. It says there are only 2 paths, either the path of the body and soul, or the path of the spirit. One leads to fusion with the Demiurge, and the other leads to eternal life as a free, eternal spirit. You either love creation, the body and soul, or you love the Spirit. If you love one aspect, you hate the other as these are two opposing poles, the soul and spirit are 'irreconcilable'.

The path it encourages is about freedom of the Spirit, saying nothing else in life is worthwhile. It minimalizes, even criticizes, in a way, love for the Earth, the animals and people because they are 'impure creations of the Demiurge'. At the end of the book it talks about having all trapped Spirits free themselves from the trappings of the physical universe, and in that way, the Demiurge will extinguish itself having no eternal spirits to move it forward or feed it.

I'd say it's quite not so in control of a person, what he sees and experiences in dreams. So the person, who gathers his belief from dreams might be slightly in control of some entity entities, if he does go along with their teaching. Of course personal experience gives a strong belief into the matter, which might be surprising, since sometimes reason doesn't work in these things, but only what one has experienced and what one feels about the experience.

There are entities in the unseen world doing this guiding of persons in this physical reality. It's quite nasty at times and people are being intentionally led astray by the spirits like in a similar way as people might lead each other astray. But when there is no real truth found it's like blind leading another blind.

I'd not take anyone's information as real, if it sounds simple as the example in the quote. Like that one gains eternal life through some certain path. It doesn't sound very well grounded idea. There is no path I'd say. It's more ordinary,like how one gets to live eternally is not trough a well planned path, but one has to work on the way and do things and leave things undone, that are not as simple as a decided path and the process from what I've learned isn't even, that one has to do certain things for salvation and for eternal life, which many seem to be wanting to achieve. I've learned that it's actually one's spirit's or soul's, what ever you want to call it, decision and some don't deep inside want to live eternally, but they want to do evil and become deceased when their spirit has become deceased due to it's life with such will. Some however wish to live eternally on the level of the soul and so they do manage to do such. It's so like decided already when the spirit is born, that will he live eternally or not.

This is quite difficult to understand perhaps, since it's not very clear to me really how it all works of course. But I wanted to note that simple 2 path decision is way too simplified and the difference between such two spirits soul and spirit is also not very sound in my opinion. What makes the difference? The other is the Demiurge's was the idea, but well it's just like someone invented the whole matter and now I have to believe there is Demiurge and that I need to choose my path. I'd ask then why? Because I will not then live eternally, if I don't believe this. Well I rather then leave the believing from my part and do what I like and not believe into all sort of inventions to trap my own spirit into believing what I don't feel as truth.

Sorry for the negative sound, I wanted to put some pressure on the concept sort of and I don't believe it's even close to the real idea of living eternally, I repeat this living eternally concept, since it's what its all about in the spiritual side of things. I think it's common thing in all religions and I believe it's a real thing for some spirits to live eternally so there is some truth in my opinion to the matter, but not very clearly.

This is interesting to ponder about.

[montalk]

Well I finished the book "The Forbidden Religion." It's short, simply written, and easy to understand. But it's also a shining example of luciferian disinformation in the tradition of Aleister Crowley's philosophy. It's a good chunk of truths interwoven with inversions, sophistry, and rationalization of demonism.

It's as if the author asked for gnostic initiation and liberation of spirit, but didn't specify what kind of gnosticism (the true one, or the luciferian/demonic kind), initiation by whom toward what ends (demons toward spiritual disinformation), or liberation of spirit from what constraints (constraints of the evil demiurge, or constraints of actual divine laws). So maybe he got what he asked for... which may have been what he secretly wanted.

If you're familiar with Rudolf Steiner's concept of Christ, Lucifer, and Ahriman, this book essentially rails against Ahriman and offers Lucifer as the solution, and in being binary to a fault, it throws Christ out with Ahriman since it must be only one thing or another and three options 'does not compute.'

It also uses the straw man fallacy to link various traits of Yahweh/Jehovah/Demiurge to the actual True/Good/Creator and encourage the reader to reject some aspects of the latter that should not be rejected. In other words, there are things that are of the divine, that he says are of the demiurge and should be fought, ignored, hated, rejected. Such as love, which he says is a phenomenon of the soul and not spirit. You can tell he hates love, and is motivated only by hate, anger, revenge, and revulsion. He exemplifies a luciferian escapism combined with demonic hatred of all rules and frameworks. It seems he has rejected true Spirit and instead elevated his ego to its place by giving it a kind of "holy war" paint, which is no different from what Catholics did when they went after the Cathars, the Native Americans, the Muslims, etc.

Another straw man was using the New Age / Theosophist conception of the "great white brotherhood" or "great white lodge" (similar to the modern day "Galactic Federation of Light") at face value (even though these are straw men, as in distorted misrepresentations of the real things) and in calling out their obvious stupidity, says therefore they are the bad guys and, by binary logic, the Black Lodge or Black Order must therefore be the good guys. Then he has the audacity to say that the ghoulish appearance of these Black Order "warriors" is because they are beings of Spirit who are suffering the torment of putting up a fight against the demiurge, and anyone in pain will obviously look contorted. Yeah right, nice try, that's on the level of "anal probes are good for you, they are stimulating and rejuvenating" that I read in an alien disinformation book once.

It's one of those books where it's easy to dismiss the truths it contains because of the lies, or accept the lies because of the truths. It gives gnosticism a bad name. If I had a sharpie marker and blacked out all the lies in this book, what's left would be pretty good and I would have no problems recommending it!

[lycaeus]

Well I finished the book "The Forbidden Religion." It's short, simply written, and easy to understand. But it's also a shining example of luciferian disinformation in the tradition of Aleister Crowley's philosophy. It's a good chunk of truths interwoven with inversions, sophistry, and rationalization of demonism.

It's as if the author asked for gnostic initiation and liberation of spirit, but didn't specify what kind of gnosticism (the true one, or the luciferian/demonic kind), initiation by whom toward what ends (demons toward spiritual disinformation), or liberation of spirit from what constraints (constraints of the evil demiurge, or constraints of actual divine laws). So maybe he got what he asked for... which may have been what he secretly wanted.

If you're familiar with Rudolf Steiner's concept of Christ, Lucifer, and Ahriman, this book essentially rails against Ahriman and offers Lucifer as the solution, and in being binary to a fault, it throws Christ out with Ahriman since it must be only one thing or another and three options 'does not compute.'

It also uses the straw man fallacy to link various traits of Yahweh/Jehovah/Demiurge to the actual True/Good/Creator and encourage the reader to reject some aspects of the latter that should not be rejected. In other words, there are things that are of the divine, that he says are of the demiurge and should be fought, ignored, hated, rejected. Such as love, which he says is a phenomenon of the soul and not spirit. You can tell he hates love, and is motivated only by hate, anger, revenge, and revulsion. He exemplifies a luciferian escapism combined with demonic hatred of all rules and frameworks. It seems he has rejected true Spirit and instead elevated his ego to its place by giving it a kind of "holy war" paint, which is no different from what Catholics did when they went after the Cathars, the Native Americans, the Muslims, etc.

Another straw man was using the New Age / Theosophist conception of the "great white brotherhood" or "great white lodge" (similar to the modern day "Galactic Federation of Light") at face value (even though these are straw men, as in distorted misrepresentations of the real things) and in calling out their obvious stupidity, says therefore they are the bad guys and, by binary logic, the Black Lodge or Black Order must therefore be the good guys. Then he has the audacity to say that the ghoulish appearance of these Black Order "warriors" is because they are beings of Spirit who are suffering the torment of putting up a fight against the demiurge, and anyone in pain will obviously look contorted. Yeah right, nice try, that's on the level of "anal probes are good for you, they are stimulating and rejuvenating" that I read in an alien disinformation book once.

It's one of those books where it's easy to dismiss the truths it contains because of the lies, or accept the lies because of the truths. It gives gnosticism a bad name. If I had a sharpie marker and blacked out all the lies in this book, what's left would be pretty good and I would have no problems recommending it!

Thanks for the analysis. I can't believe I was buying into this guy's philosophy. I should have at least finished the whole book before I started this thread. I feel like an idiot for seriously considering it. But stuff like this screws with your mind. There are a lot of good and true things, then some really bad things mixed in. This kind of material will attract an egotistical person, allowing them to indulge their anger and hate under a guise of spirituality. I've been dealing with a lot of anger lately, which is not normal for me, so maybe that's the main thing that hooked me to this philosophy. I've also seen tall white things moving around in my room at night with my peripheral vision. So there could be a negative entity around polluting my thinking and emotions. I think it might be related to some people, who have signs of attachments, getting angry at me. One of whom which loathes me and has every sign of having a heavy demonic attachment. I'm making efforts though to clean out my space and calm my mind.

I'm sort of in awe now of how your mind can play tricks on you and get you to fall for certain things you really should already know better about. How your mind can conveniently pull specific pieces of information and examples together while ignoring key aspects to justify whatever your current intent is. For me, I think I was trying to justify the heavy anger that has been bugging me lately and I used this book as an excuse. I'd also heard of John Lash who talks about Gnosticism say we need a certain amount of hate to spiritually improve ourselves and the world. But I'm sure he's not as hateful as this Jose guy, and doesn't mean it in such an extreme way.

I guess the lesson to be aware of deceptions in this world and know yourself. And think carefully about things before getting excited and accepting something when there are bad signs.

I even wonder if some of the same guys who visited Jose have visited me because I've had similar, vivid dream experiences like he had with those guys and lights in his bedroom.

[montalk]

I even wonder if some of the same guys who visited Jose have visited me because I've had similar, vivid dream experiences like he had with those guys and lights in his bedroom.

If the entities who visited him were legit and benevolent, then the author must have misinterpreted the dreams to fit his biases.

I had a dream once where a purple cloud / miasma was slowly sweeping the country side. I was running to a barn in the country to get away from it. Inside was a farm woman who handed me a pitch fork. I asked why. She said when the cloud hits, it would transform me and open my eyes, and I would be able to see everyone for who they really were. I would see that some people weren't people but demons hiding in human bodies, and I wouldn't be able to keep myself from destroying them.

If I were hateful of other people and had a thing for violence and weapons, I could use this dream as a sign to arm myself and become the next mall shooter. Or I could keep it real and understand that yes, some people are probably fully possessed, but like Logion 57 / Matt 13:24-30 (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas57.html) says: "Do not pull up the weeds yet or you might pull the wheat along with it. On the day of the Harvest the weeds will be obvious, and then they will be pulled up and burned."


I guess the lesson to be aware of deceptions in this world and know yourself. And think carefully about things before getting excited and accepting something when there are bad signs.

Agreed. I get the picture of cheese on a mouse trap. If you don't eat, you die of starvation. If you eat, you die from the trap being sprung. If you carefully separate the cheese from the trap, you live. I never understood the practice of swallowing something whole because it has some good parts in it, or rejecting something whole because it has obviously wrong parts. Truth is Truth and B.S. is B.S. and even when they're mixed up together they can still be detected if you go piece by piece.


For me, I think I was trying to justify the heavy anger that has been bugging me lately and I used this book as an excuse. I'd also heard of John Lash who talks about Gnosticism say we need a certain amount of hate to spiritually improve ourselves and the world. But I'm sure he's not as hateful as this Jose guy, and doesn't mean it in such an extreme way.

I'd agree if it's stated as: hate for the proper things, in the proper amount, and in proper balance with love/hope/compassion/devotion. Hate for tyranny, injustice, corruption, delusion, debauchery, etc. seems reasonable and necessary to me, but the people I've known who tried to live only on these feelings... well they just became bitter, defeated, cold, egotistical, mechanical beings. It seems the soul/spirit cannot live on hate alone, and by losing its warmth and heart, it becomes the very darkness that it hated. You have to be motivated just as much (if not more) by your love of truth, discovery, and creativity, liberty, justice, love for the Spirit in other humans who have it, for the divine layer behind what the 5 senses perceive, etc.

So it makes sense now what I observed about some Fourth Way schools (Gurdjieff stuff). When you join, as a newbie you're just a man off the streets, therefore you supposedly haven't put in the development yet to develop a "soul" or "higher emotional center." Thus any intuition, heart-based feelings, or love you feel is just an illusion of the real thing and you should ignore it. And so you have to work at "self-remembering" and other deprogramming techniques for a long time before you can even hope to attain a soul and real higher emotions. Of course, by assuming that these positive things are non-existent within yourself and out of reach, you ignore them and don't develop them (even though they are there and sporadically activate) and over the years they end up atrophying and you end up a cold, mechanical, self-aware ego and that's it.

Now compare that with what "The Forbidden Religion" says about the True God and his kingdom -- that it's so far removed, so unknowable, and has such a hard time penetrating this world in any capacity, that you're pretty much S.O.L. and surrounded everywhere by nothing but horrible torture and control, thus don't even try connecting with it directly as it's too far away. Now compound that with the idea that the soul is completely evil and therefore love is evil too, and you no longer have a reason to listen to your heart, feel love for others, or uplift yourself emotionally (this cuts off your resonance uplink with the divine). Then it would seem the only way out is to receive luciferian gnosis, which is a cold light (knowledge divorced from love and wisdom) and what do you end up with? A cold, mechanical, self-aware ego and that's it. Same ploy, same agenda, same end-effects.

So by exaggerating some things, oversimplifying some things, and leaving other things out, this book did a good job skewing gnosticism in a luciferian/demonic direction. Without that skewing, I'm in agreement with this book. I think the author settled himself comfortably into one type of evil as a means of opposing another kind of evil, all the while ignoring the good right in front of his face. He looks pretty grim on the back cover posing in front of that H.R. Giger painting.

Well, thanks for sharing this book, it was fascinating food for thought. I'm going to put it on my digital shelf right next to "Matrix V" and Kyle Griffith's War in Heaven (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/warinheaven/warheaven-III.htm).