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Garuda
08-15-2014, 05:45 PM
Memphis| A group of volunteers cleaning up the shores of the Mississippi river near the biggest city in Tennessee, have stumbled upon the remains of an ancient boat encrusted in mud. A team of archeologists from the University of Memphis that was rapidly called to the site, confirmed that the ship is most certainly a Viking knarr, suggesting the Norse would have pushed their exploration of America a lot further than historians previously thought.

See more at: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-viking-ship-discovered-near-mississipi-river/

CasperParks
08-15-2014, 06:54 PM
Doesn't mean they had to sail around Florida, into the Gulf of Mexico then up the river? I don't recall another route. Unless, they hiked inland and build it when discovering the Mississippi River.

southerncross
08-15-2014, 07:22 PM
I have read where possible English and Nordic and other cultures had explored and traded here by coming in through the St. Lawrence River then somehow to the Ohio river which is close to Erie Lake. But I don't know the area and don't know if there is a water route from the Erie to the Ohio. If there is a water route, then the Ohio ties to the Wabash and then the Mississippi just north of Tenn. But I wouldn't discount their following ocean currents to the Gulf either.

It is looking more and more like North America was considered a storehouse of minerals and trade. There are massive copper mines in Michigan that date back to medieval or earlier times. Tons of copper were removed for the making of bronze. And there were minerals harvested by the inca in the southeast for Inca blue, a prized color in that culture.



I love discoveries like this as they shed definitive proof that No. America was a busy place before the time of Columbus. He was just following the routes and old maps of many earlier explorers. This and the discovery of the Mastadon bones and blade alone are tearing down the walls of historians old secrets. Rewrite your books guys! The truth will set you free. Lol.

CasperParks
08-15-2014, 11:12 PM
I have read where possible English and Nordic and other cultures had explored and traded here by coming in through the St. Lawrence River then somehow to the Ohio river which is close to Erie Lake. But I don't know the area and don't know if there is a water route from the Erie to the Ohio. If there is a water route, then the Ohio ties to the Wabash and then the Mississippi just north of Tenn. But I wouldn't discount their following ocean currents to the Gulf either.

It is looking more and more like North America was considered a storehouse of minerals and trade. There are massive copper mines in Michigan that date back to medieval or earlier times. Tons of copper were removed for the making of bronze. And there were minerals harvested by the inca in the southeast for Inca blue, a prized color in that culture.

I love discoveries like this as they shed definitive proof that No. America was a busy place before the time of Columbus. He was just following the routes and old maps of many earlier explorers. This and the discovery of the Mastadon bones and blade alone are tearing down the walls of historians old secrets. Rewrite your books guys! The truth will set you free. Lol.

Earthquakes can alter rivers, and they could have entered the Mississippi River from the east.

majicbar
08-16-2014, 03:37 AM
Memphis| A group of volunteers cleaning up the shores of the Mississippi river near the biggest city in Tennessee, have stumbled upon the remains of an ancient boat encrusted in mud. A team of archeologists from the University of Memphis that was rapidly called to the site, confirmed that the ship is most certainly a Viking knarr, suggesting the Norse would have pushed their exploration of America a lot further than historians previously thought.

See more at: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-viking-ship-discovered-near-mississipi-river/The Memphis area is full of references to Egypt, like "Memphis". When were these names applied, if prior to the European invasion that could be yet another clue to this prehistory.

majicbar
08-16-2014, 06:30 AM
I have read where possible English and Nordic and other cultures had explored and traded here by coming in through the St. Lawrence River then somehow to the Ohio river which is close to Erie Lake. But I don't know the area and don't know if there is a water route from the Erie to the Ohio. If there is a water route, then the Ohio ties to the Wabash and then the Mississippi just north of Tenn. But I wouldn't discount their following ocean currents to the Gulf either.

It is looking more and more like North America was considered a storehouse of minerals and trade. There are massive copper mines in Michigan that date back to medieval or earlier times. Tons of copper were removed for the making of bronze. And there were minerals harvested by the inca in the southeast for Inca blue, a prized color in that culture.



I love discoveries like this as they shed definitive proof that No. America was a busy place before the time of Columbus. He was just following the routes and old maps of many earlier explorers. This and the discovery of the Mastadon bones and blade alone are tearing down the walls of historians old secrets. Rewrite your books guys! The truth will set you free. Lol.Copper is a very odd element when found on the Earth in deposits. The processes of it's concentration is complex as is it's geological geneology. Ingots of copper from these early periods are possible to differentiate because of the subtle differences of these processes.

Ingots found on sunken ships in the Mediterranean Sea show on occasion multiple sources of origin. Sorting out these sources, there are some which seem to indicate an origin from the Michigan deposits. Some of these ships that carried these ingots are believed to be Phoenician, and some Egyptian. This is a developing picture so in the future we will have a better picture of this prehistory, it should be very interesting. The lead ballast in these ships may provide an interesting and similar trail to follow.

Atypical links provide an interesting picture of what is being said and these processes:

http://www.uwlax.edu/mvac/processarch/processarch/prefield_scientific.html

http://www.horiba.com/fileadmin/uploads/Scientific/Documents/Emission/ICP09.pdf

http://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ingots-and-the-bronze-age-copper-trade-in-the-mediterranean/

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/233770067_Copper_and_tin_isotopic_analysis_of_anci ent_bronzes_for_archaeological_investigation_devel opment_and_validation_of_a_suitable_analytical_met hodology

http://books.google.com/books?id=jS4wpoEa3jIC&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=copper%2Bscientific+analysis%2Barchaeological+s amples&source=bl&ots=9HpNxgmVb6&sig=rKYWotJKePct4sRLv3bOyL0vWQw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=uOHuU4SZGdicygSc7IF4&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=copper%2Bscientific%20analysis%2Barchaeological% 20samples&f=false

http://www.ramtops.co.uk/copper.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_iron_production

Charlie Prime
08-16-2014, 01:54 PM
Cool story.

16 meters!

" The heavily damaged ship was found near the confluence of the Wolf and Mississippi rivers "

...both Chickasaw and Choctaw mythologies include many stories of fights against “red-haired devils”.

Thanks Garuda!

CasperParks
08-16-2014, 05:08 PM
...both Chickasaw and Choctaw mythologies include many stories of fights against “red-haired devils[/I]”.

Thanks Garuda!

CP,

I was not aware of Chickasaw and Choctaw mythology. This new evidence supports their mythology was likely part of the historical record. It is always interesting when mythology and historical records match. A number of books written and films made with vikings in the Americas. Pathfinder comes to mind.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfYzE4KPQDI

Charlie Prime
08-17-2014, 03:50 PM
Cool! I like this type of movie. I'm going to download it...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446013/

Thanks C.P.!


I have one concern regarding this Viking ship article. It's from World News Daily, which is not a trustworthy news source. Does anyone know of a report about this ship from a different source?

southerncross
08-17-2014, 07:50 PM
Looks as if its bogus. Disappointing.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/876889-viking-ship-discovered-near-mississippi-river-in-memphis-tennessee-is-fake/

A number of sites have posted corrections.

CasperParks
08-17-2014, 09:59 PM
Looks as if its bogus. Disappointing.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/876889-viking-ship-discovered-near-mississippi-river-in-memphis-tennessee-is-fake/

A number of sites have posted corrections.

Disappointed.