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tonyb
09-28-2014, 03:36 AM
What do you think? Is this an old ruin from an ancient civilization?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BylPGwBIcAAxQii.jpg

CasperParks
09-28-2014, 04:11 AM
Do you have a link to the image?

Can you do a copy and paste of a link?

Charlie Prime
09-28-2014, 12:13 PM
Is this an old ruin from an ancient civilization?

It looks more like slag from an electrical discharge.

If you've ever done arc welding you've seen structures like that in the melted metal produced by spits and sputters in your arc.

More information about the electrical machining of the Martian surface can be found here: https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/2014/07/21/minerals-on-mars/

majicbar
09-28-2014, 01:43 PM
What do you think? Is this an old ruin from an ancient civilization?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BylPGwBIcAAxQii.jpg

One of the hardest things in CGI is to master shadows, which is why the "wire-frame" in 3-D is important to allow automation of the process. Automation of the shadowing would have prevented this CGI's obvious failure to conserve the shadowing angles. Note how the top shadow cast by the object is a different angle from that cast by the foreground portions of the object. These lower shadows agree to the shadowing angles of the background scene. I do not see what may have caused the creator of this CGI to go stupid and do these shadows manually, if they were industrious this might have been more compelling hoax.

Charlie Prime
09-28-2014, 01:54 PM
Note how the top shadow cast by the object is a different angle from that cast by the foreground portions of the object.

The angles look the same to me.

newyorklily
09-28-2014, 03:25 PM
Do you have a link to the image?

Can you do a copy and paste of a link?

Here is the original photo,

http://marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=0753ML0032370000400001E01_DXXX&s=753

The object is near the upper left.

Here is the link for the HuffPost article.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5881322

Do you have a link to the image?

Can you do a copy and paste of a link?

CasperParks
09-28-2014, 06:34 PM
Here is the original photo,

http://marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?rawid=0753ML0032370000400001E01_DXXX&s=753

The object is near the upper left.

Here is the link for the HuffPost article.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5881322

What is buried beneath drifting sands of time? I hope there are revelations regarding Mars shortly after Disclosure.

majicbar
09-29-2014, 07:37 AM
One of the hardest things in CGI is to master shadows, which is why the "wire-frame" in 3-D is important to allow automation of the process. Automation of the shadowing would have prevented this CGI's obvious failure to conserve the shadowing angles. Note how the top shadow cast by the object is a different angle from that cast by the foreground portions of the object. These lower shadows agree to the shadowing angles of the background scene. I do not see what may have caused the creator of this CGI to go stupid and do these shadows manually, if they were industrious this might have been more compelling hoax.I was wrong about this being a simple hoax. The image is indeed from the official JPL/NASA archive. But that does not mean there are not some issues yet to be settled here. The shadows are still a problem. This artifact appears more to be an architectural piece than any natural rock formation. The shadow is not consistent with what appears as a single piece artifact. The shadow might be because the object is not one piece but is actually two pieces. The piece behind would have to be inclined to cast the shadow as it is seen.

I went through the mastcam images for that day and two days forward and two day previous in the archives and that is the only time the object was imaged. What is odd though is that there is a gap in the images from 2014-09-18 16:53:39 UTC to this image taken at 2014-1-09-18 21:08:24 UTC, a gap of 4hrs, 14 min 45 seconds. It is my feeling that this object was studied during the missing time and they left the object in the image archive at 2014-1-09-18 21:08:24 UTC unintentionally . This object is odd enough that I cannot imagine they would not have studied it with some seriousness.

Dragonfire
09-30-2014, 12:42 AM
Interesting that there are no images for 4 hrs. Did they take photo's and leave them out? (for one reason or another)

Speculation, but perhaps previous images show something that they don't want anyone to see and that might explain the artifact.... hmmm.......

majicbar
09-30-2014, 06:38 AM
Interesting that there are no images for 4 hrs. Did they take photo's and leave them out? (for one reason or another)

Speculation, but perhaps previous images show something that they don't want anyone to see and that might explain the artifact.... hmmm.......

Full archive of all of the 472 images taken by all the cameras aboard the Curossity rover for Sol 753 are in this link:

http://marsmobile.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=#/?slide=753

Dragonfire
09-30-2014, 01:41 PM
Thanks Majicbar