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Longeyes

02-15-2016, 10:31 PM

This could be very good news

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/644284/Whistleblower-to-blow-lid-on-1000s-of-UFO-files-including-Rendlesham-case

Whistleblower about to 'lift lid on 1000s of UFO files' is GENUINE, says ex-MoD man
A FORMER US Naval officer who claims his secrecy agreement with the American Government has expired is vowing to lift the lid on thousands of top-secret UFO files he claims to have seen...

Edward

02-15-2016, 10:52 PM

Yes Very interesting indeed. Let's hope this is true and that more and more people come out and start talking about what they know.

Edward

Wansen

02-16-2016, 04:16 AM

This is an interesting one.

While I very much hope this person is on the level, it is unique that an E4 from an NAS telecommunications facility would have access to the top-level traffic. It is possible (I was a supervisor while an E4 but didn't have vault access), but fairly uncommon.

As for personally delivering classified material, unless those civilian contractors had a highly secured comm channel, with Navy Crypto, this would have been done via classified courier (a job I did often), and that is a way to gain access to material but the most sensitive files are usually 'sealed' and would require the courier to individually open them to be read.

Longeyes

02-16-2016, 07:13 AM

This is the mufon report it comes from
http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=74474&rnd=

I was a Radioman 3rd class petty officer at Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from Feb 86' to Oct 89' having maintained a TS SBI/ESI NATO/SIOP Compartmental Security Clearance. I was required to deliver TS Code word designation COSMIC to SRI, ESL/SYLVANIA, LOCKHEED SKUNKWORKS, TRW, RATHEON, BERKELEY LABS, LAWRENCE LIVERMORE LABS, and other think tanks throughout Silicon valley. In addition we had a GS11 employee who was transferred from a Joint U.S. U.K. Communication station north of London after working at that site for a dozen years. He said it was an NSA/UK facility tasked with tracking UFO including Rendalsham Forest Incident. He said that UFO/ET were real and that hopefully disclosure would happen in my lifetime since he was in his early 60s at the time. I'm not reporting a UFO sighting rather a UFO related experience. I have copies of my security clearances.

I personally handled, viewed and delivered thousands of documents involving UFO/ET Projects. My secrecy agreement with the U.S. Government expired in Oct 2014. At this point in my life I would like to share my knowledge in hopes that someone will be able to use it effectively towards disclosure.

Wansen

02-16-2016, 08:50 AM

Thank you Longeyes, I couldn't find it on the MUFON site as I was looking for an article or news story.

It's quite a story.

At every Naval communication station & center I've worked in, highly classified material handling required an E-6/7 or above at all times. Before a highly classified message was received, a warning message would be received just prior informing us that a highly classified message was coming in and requiring the appropriately ranked NCO to confirm their rank before the message was sent from the other end.

A blind would then be placed over the printer and the print-out would only be glanced at to confirm it printed correctly, logged in by the unclassified header, classification stamped then sealed. The point I'm trying to make is that it's not all that easy to see the 'good' stuff.

Only if one has access to a private location (or the clearance & need-to-know) can one peruse highly classified information. After the Walker scandal, all highly classified information required the presence of two persons during transmission, transfer, receipt or destruction which is also logged. So unless you really, really trusted your opposite, you were too scared to violate "OPSEC" (operational security) as you knew they'd throw you in a hole for (most of) the rest of your life.

Generally speaking, that's the higher-ranked NCO's & officers, cryptographic technicians and intelligence specialists but not (usually) a radioman never mind an E4.

I'm not saying he is lying, perhaps they did it differently at NAS's, however, it is IMO, highly unusual for an RM3 to have access to that (undoubtedly) extremely high-level of classified material.

Longeyes

02-16-2016, 10:52 AM

Great it's really good to have the inside track on this stuff Wansen thanks.

The Express writer says Roger Marsh will be doing a proper follow up on it. He puts his articles on Openminds TV's website
http://www.openminds.tv/author/roger

Wansen

02-16-2016, 04:34 PM

Thanks again Longeyes, I want to keep up on this one, I appreciate the link.

Lee

02-16-2016, 04:37 PM

I agree, this looks like one to keep an eye on.

The source claims he was a "Radioman 3rd class petty officer at Naval Telecommunications Center within NAS Moffett Field from Feb 86' to Oct 89'."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petty_officer_third_class
http://www.militarymuseum.org/NASMoffettFld.html

He says he held the following security clearances: "TS SBI/ESI NATO/SIOP" (Top Secret, Single Scope Background Investigation / Extremely Sensitive Information, North Atlantic Treaty Organisation / Single Integrated Operational Plan)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_access_program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._security_clearance_terms

His claims come in two parts:

- First hand experience, from the report description: "I delivered Top Secret Documents that contained photos, hyrogliphics, (sic) and R&D material on ET/UFO" and from the report body: "I was required to deliver TS Code word designation COSMIC to SRI, ESL/SYLVANIA, LOCKHEED SKUNKWORKS, TRW, RATHEON, BERKELEY LABS, LAWRENCE LIVERMORE LABS, and other think tanks throughout Silicon valley." and "I personally handled, viewed and delivered thousands of documents involving UFO/ET Projects. My secrecy agreement with the U.S. Government expired in Oct 2014. At this point in my life I would like to share my knowledge in hopes that someone will be able to use it effectively towards disclosure."

- There is also the folowing second hand information: "In addition we had a GS11 employee who was transferred from a Joint U.S. U.K. Communication station north of London after working at that site for a dozen years. He said it was an NSA/UK facility tasked with tracking UFO including Rendalsham (sic) Forest Incident. He said that UFO/ET were real and that hopefully disclosure would happen in my lifetime since he was in his early 60s at the time."

Lets hope that the source continues to move forward and share his information publicly. Looking forward to the follow up by Roger Marsh. (Thanks also to Wansen for your insight.)

newyorklily

02-16-2016, 05:36 PM

It's not likely that something more will be released on this soon. MUFON has a new department called the "Special Assignment Team" (SAT). It is headed by Chase Kloetzke and was created specifically for military whistleblower reports. Roger Marsh might write the article for Open Minds but he wouldn't be working the case. It would be worked by Chase and whomever she assigned.

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Longeyes

02-17-2016, 07:18 AM

Found a very interesting article about ESL

http://steveblank.com/2009/04/06/story-behind-“the-secret-history”-part-iii-the-most-important-company-you-never-heard-of/

Story Behind “The Secret History” Part III: The Most Important Company You Never Heard Of
Posted by steveblank
This is Part III of how I came to write “The Secret History of Silicon Valley“.

1978. Two years out of the Air Force, serendipity (which would be my lifelong form of career planning) found me in Silicon Valley working for my first company: ESL. If you’re an entrepreneur, ESL is the most important company you’ve never heard of. If you are a practitioner of Customer Development, ESL was doing it before most us were born. If you think the Cold War turned out the right side up (i.e. Communism being a bad science experiment) ESL’s founder Bill Perry was moving the chess pieces. And no one who really knew could tell you. 74HGZA3MZ6SV

Bill Perry’s public life as Secretary of Defense and his subsequent work in preventing nuclear proliferation and nuclear terrorism is public knowledge. But part of his life that that doesn’t even merit a Wikipedia entry is that Bill Perry used Silicon Valley to help end the cold war.

Fred Terman Sent Us

In 1953 the U.S. Army needed to build missile and proximity fuse jammers and Quick Reaction Capability (QRC) systems (translation: the other side just came up with something that’s killing us in a shooting war, get us a fix quick.) The Army offered Fred Terman, the Dean of Engineering at Stanford, a $5M contract to build an electronics countermeasures lab. When Terman said no, Sylvania, a tube company which built proximity fuse tubes in WWII, won the contract and set up its Electronic Defense Lab (EDL) in Mountain View California in the middle of an orchard. Terman became a consultant to the company.

In ten years Sylvania EDL grew to be one the largest companies in the valley − 1300 people were working on electronic countermeasures and electronic intelligence. By 1961 its customers now included our intelligence agencies. (BTW, when the customers were “three-letter” intelligence agencies, contractors used an oblique way of talking about who they were working for: they were all referred to as simply the “customer"...

This is funny and he's closer to the truth than he can imagine

Not surprising with a CEO with a PhD in Math, at ESL the engineers ran the company, pursuing bleeding-edge designs in antennas, receivers and microwaves – at times hand in hand with Stanford’s engineering department. (Some of this stuff was so advanced that the rumors were that we got it from the alien spacecraft hidden at Wright-Patterson Air Force base.)...

Longeyes

02-17-2016, 07:55 AM

And Bill Perry ended up as Bill Clinton's Deputy and Secretary for Defence
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Perry
Which means the clintons know for sure what's going on.

According to this ESL is a part owner of Area 51

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bgTG1dxoQ8kC&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=esl+part+owner+of+area+51&source=bl&ots=yVjev25T_a&sig=TaJUb8mQXsQlPLE_JDyW94LxGSE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjeq5ehpv7KAhWDwBQKHa9BCyIQ6AEIHDAA#v=on epage&q=esl%20part%20owner%20of%20area%2051&f=false

Longeyes

02-17-2016, 08:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LicNQpUh0o
UFOs 50 YEARS OF DENIAL: UFOs and Area 51
25'27" Includes a clip from Ch13 in Las Vegas where Bill Perry admits existence of top secret base in Nevada Desert ie Area 51

'We do have a military operation going on at Groom Lake. highly classified, highly important to US security'

Apparently it was in January 1996 news-conference footage, also captured by KTNV-TV, the ABC affiliate in Las Vegas

Longeyes

02-17-2016, 09:04 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRW_Inc.

In 1953, the company was recruited to lead the development of America’s first ICBM.[6][7] Starting with the initial design by Convair, the multi-corporate team launched Atlas in 1957[8] after some spectacular failures. It flew its full range in 1958, and was adapted to fly the Mercury astronauts into orbit.[8]

And a connection to ESL in here as well. Dean Wooldridge helped set up TRW.

Dean Wooldridge retired in January 1962[13] to become a professor at California Institute of Technology.[2] Simon Ramo became President of the Bunker-Ramo Corp in January 1964, a company jointly owned by TRW and Martin Marietta for the production of computers and computer monitors. Thompson Ramo Wooldridge officially became TRW Inc. in July 1965.[13] Free of anti-competitive restrictions, except regarding ICBM hardware, STL was renamed TRW Systems Group, also in July 1965.[13] The Credit Data group was formed in 1970[13] to compete with Dun & Bradstreet,[2] and ESL was acquired in 1978,

It was taken over in 2002
In February 2002 Northrop Grumman launched a $5.9 billion hostile bid for TRW. A bidding war between Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems and General Dynamics ended on July 1, 2002 when Northrop's increased bid of $7.8 billion was accepted

The two friends who set up TRW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Ramo

Well Woolridge started his career at Bell Labs (Where Corso said they feed the microchip)
In 1962 gave up business world altogether later on studied neurology
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/sep/22/local/me-wooldridge22

They both worked at Hughes Aircraft designing radar for jets (Boyd Bushman also worked at Hughes on Radar)

Longeyes

02-17-2016, 09:26 AM

Currently
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Perry

Dr. Perry serves on the board of directors of Los Alamos National Security, LLC, the company that operates the Los Alamos National Laboratory and the board of directors for LGS Innovations, a wholly owned subsidiary of Alcatel-Lucent engaged in government services.

Where Nanoman claims they are doing all kinds of stuff.

Wansen

02-17-2016, 09:35 AM

Longeyes

02-17-2016, 10:10 AM

Someone else with connections to TRW in the same time frame as the whistleblower
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._Foster,_Jr.

From 1973, Foster was vice president, science and technology of TRW, retiring in 1988. He continued to serve on the board of directors of TRW from 1988 to 1994. He is a Consultant to Northrop Grumman, Ninesigma, Wackenhut Services, Inc., and Defense Group, Inc. He is also Chairman of the Board of Pilkington Aerospace, Inc., and Chairman of Technology Strategies and Alliances.

He was

In 1952, Foster was recruited to Lawrence Livermore Laboratory by founder Edward Teller, and became a division leader in experimental physics. He was promoted to associate director in 1958, and director of the Livermore Laboratory and associate director of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in 1961, in which positions he served until 1965.[1]

It like a list of the most influential scientists in the US have passed through it. HAve been working my way through the list 'U.S.: top DOD scientists' from here http://www.isgp.nl/global_power_structures

Philip Odeen also worked at TRW
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Odeen

n 1997, Secretary of Defense William Cohen selected Odeen to chair the National Defense Panel. Also in 1997 the TRW corporation acquired BDM, and Odeen became executive vice president and general manager of Information Technology at TRW. He was senior representative in Washington D.C., responsible for government relations, business development and selected international activities of the Aerospace and Information Systems sector. This corelated well with his position in government. He retired as chairman of TRW in 2002, when Northrop Grumman took over the company in a $7.8 billion merger.

So did John P Stenbit

https://www.mitre.org/about/leadership/trustee/mr-john-p-stenbit

Mr. Stenbit previously was an executive vice president of TRW, from which he retired in May 2001. He joined TRW in 1968 and was responsible for the planning and analysis of advanced satellite surveillance systems. Prior to joining TRW, he held a position with the Aerospace Corporation involving command and control systems for missiles and satellites, and satellite data compression and pattern recognition. During this time, he was a Fulbright Fellow and Aerospace Corporation Fellow at the Technische Hogeschool, Einhoven, Netherlands, concentrating on coding theory and data compression

Ruben F Mettler

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_F._Mettler

Ruben F. Mettler (1924-2006) was an American businessman.[1][2] He served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of TRW Inc. from 1977 to 1988.[1][2]

Wally

02-18-2016, 10:51 AM

Lee

02-18-2016, 03:44 PM

Did they actually let him make copies of the documents he observed or let him keep some of them for himself? It seems odd that the powers that be would do this given the secret nature of those documents.
If he does not have the original documents or copies then wouldn't whatever he is disclosing be dependent upon his memories? While it would be great if true, I am rather skeptical.
He never actually claimed to have any documents in his possession, so those headlines are somewhat misleading. Although he did claim to have copies of his security agreement which wouldn't be unusual.

So it seems that we will indeed be dealing with testimony alone, obviously inconclusive for the most part, but perhaps he will supply information that can be independently verified. Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism.

Lee

02-25-2016, 11:27 PM

The Express online has a new article on our "Navy Whistleblower" some new quotes along with a mention of statements given to MUFON and Nick Pope, both of which will hopefully be released in full very soon.

"EXCLUSIVE: Navy whistleblower 'saw proof of aliens and UFOs on Earth'

A FORMER US naval officer has sensationally claimed to have seen pictures of real aliens and UFOs among top-secret military files.
The 49-year-old man's startling revelations in an exclusive interview with Express.co.uk also include claims other whistleblowers have been killed after trying to lift the lid on extraterrestrial activity.

We tracked him down after he made an approach to official UFO investigators about wanting to break a 27-year silence on what he saw."

Read complete article - http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/647476/EXCLUSIVE-Navy-whistleblower-saw-proof-of-aliens-and-UFOs-on-Earth

Wansen

02-26-2016, 03:24 AM

Curious.

Being totally familiar with US Naval communication equipment and procedures (from that era), I can tell you I have never, ever, seen a classified photograph (other than comm gear schematics and diagrams) inside of any USN communications facilities and further more, all (Radio) controlled traffic was EXCLUSIVELY text.* Photography was the provenance of Intelligence & Lithography and not Radio(men) or "RM's.

The only way this sounds plausible is if he was a classified courier somehow tasked with delivering Intelligence reports but I have never heard of an RM3 assigned to this, we required an E-6 or above, usually it was our most senior CPO (E-7) if not an SCPO (E-8) and RM's (Radiomen) handled Comm traffic only and IS's (Intelligence Specialists) handled Intel. CT's (Cryptographic Technicians) potentially had full access to both.

Additionally, he had to have some work-around or understanding with his opposite. IIRC, the "two-man integrity" policy was Navy-wide by 1986 if not '85. I found that it was possible to circumvent this at times as well by arranging extra long visits to the bathroom stall while on a "message run" but this was not commonplace or practical in the long-term.

* My first post detailing my exposure to a UFO report while on active duty clearly stipulates that this report while referencing photo's was "written" (text) only.

uforadio

03-15-2016, 07:36 AM

Wansen

03-15-2016, 06:12 PM

Hi Wansen. I have more info on this and would like your opinion. Will contact you over pvt message after my work tonight.

Best wishes

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Hello uforadio,

I look forward to hearing from you and I'm happy to assist.

Warm Regards

uforadio

03-15-2016, 11:38 PM

Hello uforadio,

I look forward to hearing from you and I'm happy to assist.

Warm Regards

Just sent you pvt message.
Best wishes.

Wansen

03-18-2016, 04:40 AM

uforadio shared with me a fascinating audio interview with this "New whistleblower".

I've asked if he plans to share it with the forum and I am awaiting his reply.

I can state that IMO, there is no doubt he was a Naval RM, and as I speculated, he indeed was a Classified Courier (aka: "Top Secret Mailman"). He knows all the vernacular and has an in-depth knowledge of the nomenclature and procedures used in Naval communications.

Additionally, he was tasked with Communications / Intelligence duties as he was a "router" (designator of recipients of message traffic based on subject matter), under an O-4 (LCDR), intelligence officer and given the fact that he worked at an NAS (Naval Air Station), some of their intelligence was about UFOs detected by the base's P-3 Orion anti-submarine patrols.

I sincerely hope uforadio decides to share this audio interview, it was certainly enlightening.

Wansen

03-18-2016, 08:09 AM

uforadio has graciously given me permission to post the following.

My thanks to him.

http://www.kgraradio.com/former-navy-officer-shares-ufo-secrets/

calikid

03-18-2016, 02:38 PM

uforadio has graciously given me permission to post the following.

My thanks to him.

http://www.kgraradio.com/former-navy-officer-shares-ufo-secrets/

Very cool! Thanks for the link.

A99

03-18-2016, 04:45 PM

Same here Wansen... thanks for the link and looking forward to listening to that interview later on today. :)

Wansen

03-18-2016, 05:10 PM

All thanks to uforadio; he seems quite skilled at research.

Interview starts a bit slow as the RM reviews his bonafides and Naval Telecommunications SOP's but after that...

A99

03-19-2016, 04:28 AM

Wansen

03-19-2016, 07:12 AM

Fascinating interview. I especially like the part where he was talking about the photo's of ET's. Still processing and I'm looking forward to more detailed information he will hopefully be sharing somewhere down the road.

"Still processing" is spot on for me as well. The proliferation and multitudes of encounters, ships and species he spoke of was downright disturbing.

After listening, I recalled several "Sea Stories" that I've heard from other Navy and Marine personnel. A few years ago I happened to be at Pearl Harbor while the Chinese Naval Fleet arrived. Amazed to see what was considered in my day "potential enemy combatants" tie-up to the piers at Pearl, I asked a friend at Fleet Ops who explained to me that they were part of an international fleet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_RIMPAC that was really an anti-ET war exercise. I thought he was BS'ing me but now I'm not so sure. Other sailors told me of glowing balls of light in pairs that darted in and out of the water following the RIMPAC fleet (a MUFON report was filed on it).

Once, a Marine Srgt. Major looked me straight in the eye and told me he'd personally "been in combat against ET" and that he knew of other hostile ET encounters. I quelled my uneasy feeling by telling myself that he was lying even though I knew he had served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan in combat, (earning a Bronze Star), and was part of an elite (Force Recon) unit and was as no-nonsense and squared-away as they come and had no reason to make up such a story and had no idea of my interest in the subject. Another sailor who served on the Enterprise (carrier not Starship :biggrin2:), told me and a few others about seeing UFOs flying over the ship during the late 70's.

I never allowed myself to fully believe it, but if it's an omnipresent phenomenon - and it sure seems to be - with regular (as in daily) incursions, perhaps Military encounters are more commonplace and widespread than can be imagined.

A99

03-19-2016, 07:46 AM

What you just shared in your last post isn't anything we'd see in the mainstream news anywhere but it goes without saying that information like that would cause a major panic in the general public to the extent that officials would be declaring a state of emergency in an effort to prevent things from getting out of control. Will comment more on this later today... I'm EST and it's way past my bedtime. Thanks for sharing. Much food for thought.

A99

03-20-2016, 01:22 AM

"Still processing" is spot on for me as well. The proliferation and multitudes of encounters, ships and species he spoke of was downright disturbing.

After listening, I recalled several "Sea Stories" that I've heard from other Navy and Marine personnel. A few years ago I happened to be at Pearl Harbor while the Chinese Naval Fleet arrived. Amazed to see what was considered in my day "potential enemy combatants" tie-up to the piers at Pearl, I asked a friend at Fleet Ops who explained to me that they were part of an international fleet https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_RIMPAC that was really an anti-ET war exercise. I thought he was BS'ing me but now I'm not so sure. Other sailors told me of glowing balls of light in pairs that darted in and out of the water following the RIMPAC fleet (a MUFON report was filed on it).

Once, a Marine Srgt. Major looked me straight in the eye and told me he'd personally "been in combat against ET" and that he knew of other hostile ET encounters. I quelled my uneasy feeling by telling myself that he was lying even though I knew he had served several tours in Iraq and Afghanistan in combat, (earning a Bronze Star), and was part of an elite (Force Recon) unit and was as no-nonsense and squared-away as they come and had no reason to make up such a story and had no idea of my interest in the subject. Another sailor who served on the Enterprise (carrier not Starship :biggrin2:), told me and a few others about seeing UFOs flying over the ship during the late 70's.

I never allowed myself to fully believe it, but if it's an omnipresent phenomenon - and it sure seems to be - with regular (as in daily) incursions, perhaps Military encounters are more commonplace and widespread than can be imagined.

Did that Marine Srgt. Major give you any details about that "combat against ET" and those other hostile ET encounters? What were the crafts like and what kind of ET were they?

Not that I didn't already know from personal experience that military jets chase after UFO's when they show up, for example. That would not qualify as a battle or anything like that but I saw that with my own two eyes yet, if we were on friendly terms with them, then there would be no need to chase after them like that, right?

In fact, those jets would not have needed to show up there in the first place if they were "friendlies". But the fact is, they did show up and I wondered what happened when they caught up to those triangles (if they even managed to do that). Were they going to blast them out of the sky or were they only trying to establish communication with them? So many questions and no answers. Maybe it was just a flyby to identify those crafts and nothing more. This incident occurred not too far from the shoreline of Lake Erie and I was with three others when it happened. A day that's indelibly embedded in my mind as one like no other before or since.

So if they are hostiles then what do they want and why are they here? Once again, if the general public were to be informed about those "battles" between ETs and our military, panic would ensue and all hell would break loose on a mass scale. Most would feel that there would be no way to escape "them" short of an underground bunker somewhere or a cave. Wow, what a nightmare!

Wansen

03-20-2016, 03:26 AM

Did that Marine Srgt. Major give you any details about that "combat against ET" and those other hostile ET encounters? What were the crafts like and what kind of ET were they?

Not that I didn't already know from personal experience that military jets chase after UFO's when they show up, for example. That would not qualify as a battle or anything like that but I saw that with my own two eyes yet, if we were on friendly terms with them, then there would be no need to chase after them like that, right?

In fact, those jets would not have needed to show up there in the first place if they were "friendlies". But the fact is, they did show up and I wondered what happened when they caught up to those triangles (if they even managed to do that). Were they going to blast them out of the sky or were they only trying to establish communication with them? So many questions and no answers. Maybe it was just a flyby to identify those crafts and nothing more. This incident occurred not too far from the shoreline of Lake Erie and I was with three others when it happened. A day that's indelibly embedded in my mind as one like no other before or since.

So if they are hostiles then what do they want and why are they here? Once again, if the general public were to be informed about those "battles" between ETs and our military, panic would ensue and all hell would break loose on a mass scale. Most would feel that there would be no way to escape "them" short of an underground bunker somewhere or a cave. Wow, what a nightmare!

Sounds like an interesting siting at Lake Erie; I understand how it gets burned into your memory like nothing else.

The Srgt. Major did not elaborate much at all but only because I didn't ask a single question. I was simply flabbergasted by what he said (and a bit frightened), and truth be told, I didn't want to hear or believe any of it.

I first met him back in the 80's when we both participated in "Team Spirit" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Spirit) together. Years later, at chance meeting at the NCO club in Okinawa after he'd had more than a few 'Jack & Cokes', talking about the old days and friends and having a great time until somehow, the subject of UFOs came up. I didn't bring it up and I'd never told him about my sitings nor about seeing the Intel Report on the JASDF UFO encounter but I did say something to the effect about the truth being covered up.

He got real quiet and his eyes took on a 'far away' look when he blurted out about being in combat against ET. It was right out-of-blue and I couldn't have been more surprised (in a bad way). It was probably the last thing I ever wanted to hear and I remember getting very uncomfortable and wanting to leave. He did say something to the effect that it was an operation, used the word "we" which I took as meaning ET was engaged by either a squad, platoon or perhaps even a company of Marines, definitely not a one-on-one fight.

The last thing he said, I'll never forget: "That stuff in movies and TV is sometimes true; we've fought 'em a few times." The mood had turned dark and heavy and I hastily left feeling quite nervous and depressed.

I wish I had had the guts to ask him questions - as I felt he wanted to talk about it - but I was mentally very unprepared for what he said and I simply couldn't "process" it.

calikid

03-20-2016, 04:35 AM

Sounds like an interesting siting at Lake Erie; I understand how it gets burned into your memory like nothing else.

The Srgt. Major did not elaborate much at all but only because I didn't ask a single question. I was simply flabbergasted by what he said (and a bit frightened), and truth be told, I didn't want to hear or believe any of it.

I first met him back in the 80's when we both participated in "Team Spirit" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Spirit) together. Years later, at chance meeting at the NCO club in Okinawa after he'd had more than a few 'Jack & Cokes', talking about the old days and friends and having a great time until somehow, the subject of UFOs came up. I didn't bring it up and I'd never told him about my sitings nor about seeing the Intel Report on the JASDF UFO encounter but I did say something to the effect about the truth being covered up.

He got real quiet and his eyes took on a 'far away' look when he blurted out about being in combat against ET. It was right out-of-blue and I couldn't have been more surprised (in a bad way). It was probably the last thing I ever wanted to hear and I remember getting very uncomfortable and wanting to leave. He did say something to the effect that it was an operation, used the word "we" which I took as meaning ET was engaged by either a squad, platoon or perhaps even a company of Marines, definitely not a one-on-one fight.

The last thing he said, I'll never forget: "That stuff in movies and TV is sometimes true; we've fought 'em a few times." The mood had turned dark and heavy and I hastily left feeling quite nervous and depressed.

I wish I had had the guts to ask him questions - as I felt he wanted to talk about it - but I was mentally very unprepared for what he said and I simply couldn't "process" it.

Your reaction was understandable. We live our lives with certain understandings that provide a foundation for personal reality.
To have those foundations rocked with the realization that "it's all true" (the E.T. rumors) can be an earth shaking experience.
Coming "off the fence", even after years of weighing the evidence, can be very disorienting.
Sounds like you came out the other side in good shape, glad to have you aboard researching the topic. :cool:

With any luck, perhaps you will have the opportunity to see your colleague again someday. Stranger things have happened.

Wansen

03-20-2016, 06:18 AM

Your reaction was understandable. We live our lives with certain understandings that provide a foundation for personal reality.
To have those foundations rocked with the realization that "it's all true" (the E.T. rumors) can be an earth shaking experience.
Coming "off the fence", even after years of weighing the evidence, can be very disorienting.
Sounds like you came out the other side in good shape, glad to have you aboard researching the topic. :cool:

With any luck, perhaps you will have the opportunity to see your colleague again someday. Stranger things have happened.

That's very kind of you to write calikid; truth be told, I was a bit angry with myself later for my reaction and more importantly, for not allowing him to unburden himself and perhaps even acting as though I didn't believe him. Truth be told, I did almost the same thing with Charles Hall a few weeks ago. There he was all by himself after the lecture, standing three feet in front of me and he'd said that not only was he happy to answer any questions, but that he liked doing it and yet I walked right by him without saying a word.

My head was swimming from his lecture; my 35 mile (or so) drive home seemed to take about five minutes and I barely slept that night. I can't help but feel there is a deeply sinister aspect to the secrecy that surrounds this phenomenon and that if I was somehow given the opportunity to learn even half of the truth I might go right off the 'deep end'.

Fore

03-20-2016, 06:40 AM

Longeyes

03-20-2016, 08:48 AM

Wansen

03-20-2016, 08:55 AM

@ Wansen

Have you ever come across any (Human) Telepaths or suspected any Telepathic activities in your surroundings during your time in the Navy?

I recall many ET having mentioned being annoyed by "spot" checks. In their mentions of annoyances I heard more than one of them comment on a claim that Trained Human Telepaths were employed in the "Public" Armed Forces by Humans to spot any irregularities in Human staff. Supposedly, it was said that these Telepaths would do unannounced routine checks upon staff "behind walls" to detect "activity".

I was wondering (since your brought up that tidbit) if you had ever seen, noticed or suspected anything that you thought was Telepath related in your time?

Fore, to the best of my knowledge I've never come across any Telepaths or Telepathic activities....however, the term "spot check" was used. It meant an unannounced, surprise inspection / investigation to ensure compliance with procedures and security integrity. I do know for an absolute fact that our intelligence operatives practically had a mania for collecting information and keeping that information secure. I know because I read most of it, as it was literally the one and only perquisite my job came with.

I came into contact (very infrequently, fortunately), with some of them; these operatives were highly zealous, industrious with calculated alacrity, unbelievably well-funded and highly "patriotic". Using Telepaths to detect activity or compromise(s) would be accordance with their mandate and makes perfect sense.

Wansen

03-20-2016, 09:09 AM

Longeyes

03-20-2016, 02:49 PM

If I was him, I'd be looking over my shoulder all too often. I hope I'm just being paranoid.
Yea for sure I'd say he's probably a lot safer in the open ie going public, once you've done it then they have nothing to gain by taking you out, but then you've got deal with family friends...

atmjjc

03-20-2016, 04:47 PM

Amazing stuff. They've got to get a more indepth interview with him.
The 150 species in a manual, the Aurora the 'Blue Cube' and his credentials make him one of the most important whistleblowers in recent years.

Okay, what am I missing here, in the intelligence circles the ‘Blue Cube’ or better known as ‘1003’ (one double O 3) or simply the ‘Cube’ we were referring to a building located within the Onizuka Air Force Station just outside of Sunnyvale, California better known as the ‘Stick’

Lt Gen John Sheridan is still hush hush about what went on in this building.

I am pretty sure it was torn down in 2010 or 2011?

What do you guys mean when you mention the ‘Blue Cube’?:cool:

Longeyes

03-20-2016, 05:13 PM

The whistleblower worked at Moffet Airfield, he went inside the Blue Cube a couple of times a girl friend of his was working for Lockheed back engineering tech and mentioned to him it was monitoring everything in the skies, including UFOs going at 15,000 miles an hour doing 45 degree turns. He managed linger long enough watching the screen for 20mins and saw about three ET craft travelling over 10,000 per hour making turns we could not accomplish in man made craft.

epo333

03-20-2016, 06:17 PM

Sounds like the same building to me . . .

Moffett Federal Airfield (IATA: NUQ, ICAO: KNUQ, FAA LID: NUQ), also known as Moffett Field, is a joint civil-military airport located in an unincorporated part of Santa Clara County between southern Mountain View and northern Sunnyvale, California, USA. On November 10, 2014, NASA announced that it would be leasing the airfield to Google for 60 years.[1]

More here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moffett_Federal_Airfield

I'm finding Google mixed up in things more and more these days!

Fore

03-20-2016, 08:05 PM

That's very kind of you to write calikid; truth be told, I was a bit angry with myself later for my reaction and more importantly, for not allowing him to unburden himself and perhaps even acting as though I didn't believe him. Truth be told, I did almost the same thing with Charles Hall a few weeks ago. There he was all by himself after the lecture, standing three feet in front of me and he'd said that not only was he happy to answer any questions, but that he liked doing it and yet I walked right by him without saying a word.

My head was swimming from his lecture; my 35 mile (or so) drive home seemed to take about five minutes and I barely slept that night. I can't help but feel there is a deeply sinister aspect to the secrecy that surrounds this phenomenon and that if I was somehow given the opportunity to learn even half of the truth I might go right off the 'deep end'.I have questions, and I fully understand this isn't the thread for it.

But there are many rumors and I'd love to pick your brain to see if there is any truth behind some ruminations I have heard stated from long ago.

Since this is a Navy thread about released UFO files, I'd like to ask you specifically about your experience in the Navy and the surrounding period of time.

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There was talk one time between ET's when answering a question of mine that had to do with with what I'd consider some kind of penetration testing. The idea was truncated during exposition by another ET so I didn't get the full context. But enough to get the gist.

I wanted to ask, by any chance, do you "feel" it is (at all) common that people would walk up to you (or other friends) in a regular setting (such as a bar, on the street or outside of your job) and try to strike up conversations about topics you knew of but were unable to respond to?

I don't mean people you know, I mean people who come out of the blue and later disappear and you never see them again.

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The other question, I assume in your experience at the navy where you worked at your posts, you had assigned schedules and meetings. But did you at any time (especially inside high security zones) ever notice any in-congruent <cough> passing of time?

For example, if you went into a building, command room, briefing room (or whatever)....did you ever notice any irregularities with the passage of time or other odd sensations? (slight tremors/vibrations/strangeness OR color shifts OR any other kind of anomalous passages of time)?

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You once mentioned in your writings that you witnessed a module/container staffed by people, a container or module that you hadn't noticed previously and weren't sure when it was situated there.

Could you be a bit more specific?

You didn't describe the vehicle you were on (a Navy ship?) nor if the module was installed while out at sea or if it was already installed while docked at some port.

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Finally, have you ever heard any rumors of security areas that appear to intermittently vanish the next day? Or of people who have commented to you as having been at their routine and are (abnormally) surprised by the passage of time while on duty?

(Sort of like someone commenting to you that they looked down at their wrist watch and it was 2am and then they experience 30 minutes of normal activity. Then noticed that it is something like noon time after they leave their post. Feeling that there was some kind of discrepancy in time frames.)

That sort of thing or anything like it.

atmjjc

03-20-2016, 09:31 PM

@Longeyes and EPO333

Thx Guys

Yep, it was the Navy Air and the Air Force joint exercise. After the Challenger blew up the Air Force renamed itself after the American-Japanese Hero Ellison Shoji Onizuka the American astronaut from Kealakekua, Hawaii who was actually the first of Japanese ancestry to reach outer space on the space shuttle Discovery. He died on the Challenger in 1986.

Same Place...

On January 26, 1994, Sunnyvale Air Force Station was renamed Onizuka Air Force Station in honor of Lt Col Ellison Onizuka.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellison_Onizuka

Wansen

03-21-2016, 01:15 AM

I have questions, and I fully understand this isn't the thread for it.

But there are many rumors and I'd love to pick your brain to see if there is any truth behind some ruminations I have heard stated from long ago.

Since this is a Navy thread about released UFO files, I'd like to ask you specifically about your experience in the Navy and the surrounding period of time.

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There was talk one time between ET's when answering a question of mine that had to do with with what I'd consider some kind of penetration testing. The idea was truncated during exposition by another ET so I didn't get the full context. But enough to get the gist.

I wanted to ask, by any chance, do you "feel" it is (at all) common that people would walk up to you (or other friends) in a regular setting (such as a bar, on the street or outside of your job) and try to strike up conversations about topics you knew of but were unable to respond to?

I don't mean people you know, I mean people who come out of the blue and later disappear and you never see them again.

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The other question, I assume in your experience at the navy where you worked at your posts, you had assigned schedules and meetings. But did you at any time (especially inside high security zones) ever notice any in-congruent <cough> passing of time?

For example, if you went into a building, command room, briefing room (or whatever)....did you ever notice any irregularities with the passage of time or other odd sensations? (slight tremors/vibrations/strangeness OR color shifts OR any other kind of anomalous passages of time)?

---------------------

You once mentioned in your writings that you witnessed a module/container staffed by people, a container or module that you hadn't noticed previously and weren't sure when it was situated there.

Could you be a bit more specific?

You didn't describe the vehicle you were on (a Navy ship?) nor if the module was installed while out at sea or if it was already installed while docked at some port.

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Finally, have you ever heard any rumors of security areas that appear to intermittently vanish the next day? Or of people who have commented to you as having been at their routine and are (abnormally) surprised by the passage of time while on duty?

(Sort of like someone commenting to you that they looked down at their wrist watch and it was 2am and then they experience 30 minutes of normal activity. Then noticed that it is something like noon time after they leave their post. Feeling that there was some kind of discrepancy in time frames.)

That sort of thing or anything like it.

Hello Fore: First, my apologies for not responding to your earlier queries regarding the scenarios; I only saw them today after reading atmjjc's, Longeyes & EPO33's posts on Moffet's history and then remembering and reviewing my post on USNAVCOMMSTAPHIL (which also had a highly-advanced USAF radar tracking element). An unintended rudeness on my part.

I do not recall anyone asking me questions on topics I couldn't respond to (i.e., classified) and we had standing orders to report that if it happened and we would because sometimes it was the Navy's own operatives who would "try" you, and not reporting was a violation.

I laughed aloud regarding the passage of time question only because of what my answer will be:

Oh yes indeed time passes of a bizarre nature occurred. It happened during war games exercises at sea due to prolonged sleep deprivation. The evil bastards kept us awake for almost four days and nights straight and we started having blackouts. To add to the misery, bombs would be repeatedly thrown over the side (like a small depth charge), that rocked the ship, throwing us about, when it exploded underwater simulating missile strikes. Our work required us to constantly time log in and out bound traffic and I distinctly recall glancing at my watch to log the time, then doing so again just a moment later realizing a quarter of an hour or more had passed. It continued even after returning to port as I was driving home I'd blackout at red lights and awaken to the sound of blaring horns after the light turned green.

Regarding the "spooks" that manned the container-like, autonomous communications center:

It was onboard the USS Dubuque (LPD-8), an "Amphibious Landing Dock" ship which doubled as the Task Group Commanding Officer's flagship. The 'container' was placed on the starboard side of the O-4 (4th deck above the mid-deck), aft of the signal bridge.

IIRC, this occurred in late '85 or early '86 and I believe it was in Sasebo, Japan which makes it all the more strange. I lived in Sasebo and was totally familiar with the Japanese shipyard personnel as I was also the Japanese interpreter for the ship, translating (verbally) the repair and construction orders and usually had direct knowledge of, and was part of, if not directly in charge of, all repairs and modifications to ANY comm gear on the ship involving antennas.

Sasebo was a joint USN / JNSDF base and didn't have direct access to our more sophisticated comm gear, usually that had to be brought in from Yokosuka or even Honolulu which made this installation all the more strange. It seemed to happen in an instant, and even our top technician (called a "Lead Technical Controller") who "ruled" over every single communications component as the final authority, was not even informed. It just (seemed to) appear one day, it went out to sea with us (near N. Korea IIRC) and then one day....gone as if it had never been there.

I've written about seeing that Intel report on the JASDF UFO encounter but not how I got access to it. I had absolutely no business seeing it and I never should have as it didn't even go through our comm center. It went through the "spooks" center!

Other than the mess deck, berthing & bathrooms those "spooks" (we didn't know what to call them, usually you referred to a fellow sailor who's name you didn't know by his "rating" (job) which is indicated as an icon on a Navy uniform. These guys didn't have that or their names stenciled like we did, and we knew they were Intel so we called them "spooks") also used our "document destruction room".

The DDR was really a bathroom (head) in the back section of the O-3 level that housed a huge, industrial paper shredder that turned paper into powder that was then poured into an industrial-strength, salt-water garbage disposer that turned it into a sludge that was pumped over the side. The paper was designed to dissolve in salt water anyway but the Navy never took chances.

We had scheduled times to use the DDR and so did the "spooks". I don't know if we were early or they were late but we ended up being in their together - for just a moment - and it happened.

I've talked about the two-man integrity policy which meant two guys present at all times while in possession of classified material. This meant that since there was just two of us (non-spooks) we had to remain together. Usually, before the policy was in place, one guy ran the shredder while the other guy brought in the "burn bags" to be destroyed. Remaining together meant carrying as much as possible in one trip (it was a pain to go back and forth up several decks), so we loaded up on all we could carry, filling our arms to the point of dropping some of them and kicking them like a soccer balls down the passage to the DDR.

The DDR had a self-closing, spring-arm hatch that had to be hit like a battering-ram to open. I lunged at it, arms filled with burn bags, and rammed it open with my shoulder while flinging the burn bags from my arms into the room my counterpart doing the same a moment later, when we noticed the "spooks" were still inside the DDR staring incredulously at us obviously wanting us out. We gathered our bags and stepped out into the passage waiting for them to finish.

When they left, we went back to it. It's a crummy job as paper dust is flying, the shredder is as loud as a jet engine (requiring goggles and protective ear muffs), and the object is to finish as fast as possible.

The one stupid thing the Navy did (maybe still does), in Communications security is use the exact, same, red-diagonally striped "burn bag" for ALL departments. That means the "official use only" traffic that has no (real) classification is loaded in the same looking bag as the Top Secrets awaiting destruction.

Somehow, either myself, or my counterpart (must have) grabbed one of the "spooks" bags!! I started loading one of the "canary" rolls into the shredder and noticed it had stamps and code designations I'd never seen. The Intel report on the JASDF UFO encounter was included.

Talk about dumb / bad luck!

Normally a highly-classified message required its destruction to be witnessed and logged but that (generally speaking) was for the official, routed copy(ies). The duplicate carbon or, in this case, canary carbon was still on the roll. We required that to be cut-out after receiving a TS message but apparently, the "spooks" did not. It's even possible that they figured it out later but didn't say anything as we would all have been strung up.

I'm guessing the above has little or no intrinsic value to the discussion but hopefully it at least has some entertainment value.

Fore

03-21-2016, 03:32 AM

Talk about dumb / bad luck!

Normally a highly-classified message required its destruction to be witnessed and logged but that (generally speaking) was for the official, routed copy(ies). The duplicate carbon or, in this case, canary carbon was still on the roll. We required that to be cut-out after receiving a TS message but apparently, the "spooks" did not. It's even possible that they figured it out later but didn't say anything as we would all have been strung up.

I'm guessing the above has little or no intrinsic value to the discussion but hopefully it at least has some entertainment value.

I listened to the audio mentioned a page earlier. While nothing new (to me) seemed to be discussed, the man seemed to volunteer information about processes (even if decades old).

I realize that people are usually relaxed in their roles, but I wonder why people operate the way they do.

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ET's are usually alot more strict and taught that you rarely repeat anything unless it is someone your supposed to talk with. While the man in the audio was helpful in detailing the procedures and processes of events surrounding his experience. I am somewhat shocked that you guys talk about these things so openly.

Now I am not knocking you or that guy (because I really appreciate the level of details and candor) but I wonder if that is the norm? Or perhaps the ET I knew are more like the intelligence guys you described. Paranoid and always keeping tabs on everything. They (ET) usually are almost always censoring any details and force oneself to go over details hours or days in advance with their pre-cognition of entire conversations, or go over all specifics before it can be made into some kind of format.

(One reason why I don't talk over the phone or live in person about the topic.)

Even without their immediate oversight I am still so accustomed to it after all these years that more than 50% of what I actually want to say I automatically self-censor. If I don't, chest pains automatically begin...and somehow someone assigned to monitoring gets ahold of you anywhere from 6 minutes to several days later.

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So when you guys talk about procedures and things like how you destroy documents (even if it has been improved by now in the decades since) it is kind of shocking from my perspective that you'd divulge that. If I were the guy in the audio I would have lied and substituted information when he was asked about what the room visually looks like. Actually I am half-hoping he actually did.

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So while I am a little shocked at the details and the readiness to discuss things with details, I have to ask, isn't someone going to contact you or something to "correct" your behavior. (even if it is insignificant details in comparison to everything else)

I feel like a rat who has been overly-traumatized by comparison. Even after all the time that has passed its like a reflex of days gone by.

I guess it is nice to be so relaxed about the past. I thank you for all the details you offer in response to my questions. Please don't be offended, it is just someone being surprised at how well you are treated. (odd comments, I admit)

Wansen

03-21-2016, 07:03 AM

I listened to the audio mentioned a page earlier. While nothing new (to me) seemed to be discussed, the man seemed to volunteer information about processes (even if decades old).

I realize that people are usually relaxed in their roles, but I wonder why people operate the way they do.

==========

ET's are usually alot more strict and taught that you rarely repeat anything unless it is someone your supposed to talk with. While the man in the audio was helpful in detailing the procedures and processes of events surrounding his experience. I am somewhat shocked that you guys talk about these things so openly?

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So when you guys talk about procedures and things like how you destroy documents (even if it has been improved by now in the decades since) it is kind of shocking from my perspective that you'd divulge that. If I were the guy in the audio I would have lied and substituted information when he was asked about what the room visually looks like. Actually I am half-hoping he actually did.

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So while I am a little shocked at the details and the readiness to discuss things with details, I have to ask, isn't someone going to contact you or something to "correct" your behavior. (even if it is insignificant details in comparison to everything else)

I feel like a rat who has been overly-traumatized by comparison. Even after all the time that has passed its like a reflex of days gone by.

I guess it is nice to be so relaxed about the past. I thank you for all the details you offer in response to my questions. Please don't be offended, it is just someone being surprised at how well you are treated. (odd comments, I admit)

Perhaps I went into too much detail but I didn't divulge anything currently classified.

My oath of secrecy has expired - and I suspect the NAS RM's has as well.

The USS Dubuque was melted down years ago; I believe there is another new one with the same name.

Our Task Group Commander was cashiered in disgrace in an infamous incident involving cannibalism (a movie was made about it)...https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19890224&id=vGYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1SsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5727,186773&hl=en

The incident in the DDR is impossible to prove...

(Perhaps I'm just an attention-seeking prevaricator?) :biggrin2:

I doubt they'll bother to 'correct' me.

A99

03-21-2016, 12:45 PM

Edward

03-21-2016, 05:34 PM

Perhaps I went into too much detail but I didn't divulge anything currently classified.

My oath of secrecy has expired - and I suspect the NAS RM's has as well.

The USS Dubuque was melted down years ago; I believe there is another new one with the same name.

Our Task Group Commander was cashiered in disgrace in an infamous incident involving cannibalism (a movie was made about it)...https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19890224&id=vGYaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1SsEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5727,186773&hl=en

The incident in the DDR is impossible to prove...

(Perhaps I'm just an attention-seeking prevaricator?) :biggrin2:

I doubt they'll bother to 'correct' me.

Fore and Wansen,

Fore, I can totally relate and understand what you are saying about your old habbits dying hard and that the conditioning that happened in your life stands as a self reminder for your self imposed auto-correction at times given the nature of what has happened to you. It's definitely a process to over come if you "choose" to do so but like an imprint it is hard to erase unless you habbitually make an effort to correct yourself when those "self correcting" methods arise in you consciously. I still have them myself to a certain extent in regards to the rigid ways I was brought up. I haven't totally discarded it but I don't let it be overbearing in my life anymore.

Wansen, I agree. They won't correct your oath of secrecy has expired but the oath to protect and serve your country does not. Some times both clash and unfortunately the former supersedes your oath to protect and serve your country. The only time I think they would correct you if the nature of what you are talking even after the oath and paper work has expired directly puts what they are doing in jeopardy of being exposed, outed, or made known to those of which they deem should not have access to such information, technology or whereabouts. This would probably cover all the super, super secretive stuff that we only hear slivers about and often fight amongst ourselves about the veracity of the information.

Edward

Wansen

03-21-2016, 06:53 PM

Fore and Wansen,

Fore, I can totally relate and understand what you are saying about your old habbits dying hard and that the conditioning that happened in your life stands as a self reminder for your self imposed auto-correction at times given the nature of what has happened to you. It's definitely a process to over come if you "choose" to do so but like an imprint it is hard to erase unless you habbitually make an effort to correct yourself when those "self correcting" methods arise in you consciously. I still have them myself to a certain extent in regards to the rigid ways I was brought up. I haven't totally discarded it but I don't let it be overbearing in my life anymore.

Wansen, I agree. They won't correct your oath of secrecy has expired but the oath to protect and serve your country does not. Some times both clash and unfortunately the former supersedes your oath to protect and serve your country. The only time I think they would correct you if the nature of what you are talking even after the oath and paper work has expired directly puts what they are doing in jeopardy of being exposed, outed, or made known to those of which they deem should not have access to such information, technology or whereabouts. This would probably cover all the super, super secretive stuff that we only hear slivers about and often fight amongst ourselves about the veracity of the information.

Edward

I appreciate your comments Edward; I purposely refrained from writing about any Intel-related activities and our Middle-East adventures. It's sufficient to say that it would not give the reader an overly favorable impression of the US Military's conduct.

Edward

03-22-2016, 05:00 AM

I appreciate your comments Edward; I purposely refrained from writing about any Intel-related activities and our Middle-East adventures. It's sufficient to say that it would not give the reader an overly favorable impression of the US Military's conduct.

Yeah some of the military and their industrial counter-parts have not acted very well and often against our principles as a country in name of furthering various nation building agenda's and out right stealing of resources, material and/or information in said regions and further abroad. It would really give the average American a disdain for whats going on and leave a bad taste in their mouth if they really knew.

Edward

Wansen

03-23-2016, 03:41 AM

Yeah some of the military and their industrial counter-parts have not acted very well and often against our principles as a country in name of furthering various nation building agenda's and out right stealing of resources, material and/or information in said regions and further abroad. It would really give the average American a disdain for whats going on and leave a bad taste in their mouth if they really knew.

Edward

I couldn't have said it better.