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X-Origins
02-28-2016, 07:11 PM
This is the only place I thought this may fit so if its in the wrong place please move it. But I would like to ask a few questions here. But lets start by letting me say that we have all read the continuing saga of conspiracy theories on the Kennedy assassination. Who shot, from where, how many shooters etc...But I am currently reading a book that brought up this scenario and this is my questions:

(1). Do you think Kennedy's assassination was partly due to his ambition to expose UFOs to the public?

Now having ask that we all know that Rockefeller imposed institutional reforms that would have made it impossible for any sitting President to reveal full disclosure. Rockefeller managed to completely wrestle executive power of the UFO situation away from the Executive branch.

(2). Is it these institutional reforms by Rockefeller that has kept present and past Presidents since Truman tight lipped about UFOs?

Not looking to debunk any conspiracy theories here just trying to figure out how or why at the time they considered the UFO subject a threat to national security. Apparently Kennedy's thought was that the Russians may get the wrong idea if they see one of these UFOs floating over Moscow or something and think it was the United States.

calikid
02-28-2016, 07:56 PM
Hello. Welcome to the forum.

Don't recall all the specifics, but do recall a Russian rocket launch had a dramatic fail of unknown origins. Shortly after, Kennedy ordered CIA to share ALL UFO info with the USSR. Speculation was USSR thought US brought down rocket & contemplated nuclear response, while Kennedy obviously suspected ET.
Ten days later, Kennedy was assassinated. The release of information never occurred.
So, yes. IMHO It is possible the assassination was linked to prevention of disclosure.

lionheart001
02-28-2016, 08:12 PM
I have read a couple of books on this. I believe one was 'Secret Journey to Planet Serpo'. John F. Kennedy was 'really into' the ET's and how much it could do for us in our technological growth and health (medicines and that kind of tech). He designed a special cabinet or group or team that would handle all ET tech and info and announced it I think 3 days before he was killed, giving orders to the president of the CIA (who was presently handling all ET activity).

And then countless people through the decades say that it was the CIA that took down John including one of the shooters on the team that was dispatched that morning.

I think the truth is out there now and we have heard it. The truth always surfaces.

Very sad... He was a good guy. I think he meant a lot of good.

epo333
02-28-2016, 10:55 PM
Perhaps J.FK was about to disclose news about an exchange program . . . namely SERPO or what ever it was called at the time . . .:yikes:

calikid
02-29-2016, 03:58 PM
Perhaps J.FK was about to disclose news about an exchange program . . . namely SERPO or what ever it was called at the time . . .:yikes:

Nice theory. No telling WHAT black projects the intelligence agencies wanted to keep under wraps.

But two written request (http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2015/05/jfk-demanded-ufo-files-10-days-before-his-assassination-2488982.html) from President Kennedy about UFOs were revealed in documents (no theory) released by C.I.A. under a FOIA request, back in 2011.
One, asking CIA to provide a list that would delineate legitimate black projects from true unknowns (UFOs).
The other, telling NASA officials to cooperate with USSR on the subject of UFOs.
Memo dated Nov 12, 1963, 10 days prior to the Dallas tragedy.

The conjecture was over a USSR launch of Zond-1/Kosmos-21 (http://russianspaceweb.com/3mv_kosmos21.html) on Nov 11, 1963 (launch failure was one day prior, to date on JFK memo).
The vehicle payload remains classified to this day. Due to some failure, the spacecraft was left stranded in space.

Was the JFK memo prompted by this failed USSR space mission? It is possible.
Was the JFK assassination related to these memos, and the information they would have revealed? It is possible.

epo333
02-29-2016, 11:05 PM
Nice theory. No telling WHAT black projects the intelligence agencies wanted to keep under wraps.

But two written request (http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2015/05/jfk-demanded-ufo-files-10-days-before-his-assassination-2488982.html) from President Kennedy about UFOs were revealed in documents (no theory) released by C.I.A. under a FOIA request, back in 2011.
One, asking CIA to provide a list that would delineate legitimate black projects from true unknowns (UFOs).
The other, telling NASA officials to cooperate with USSR on the subject of UFOs.
Memo dated Nov 12, 1963, 10 days prior to the Dallas tragedy.

The conjecture was over a USSR launch of Zond-1/Kosmos-21 (http://russianspaceweb.com/3mv_kosmos21.html) on Nov 11, 1963 (launch failure was one day prior, to date on JFK memo).
The vehicle payload remains classified to this day. Due to some failure, the spacecraft was left stranded in space.

Was the JFK memo prompted by this failed USSR space mission? It is possible.
Was the JFK assassination related to these memos, and the information they would have revealed? It is possible.


Yup, We will never know the true possibilities IMHO, JFK and his Brother probably had connections (read confederates) in the Senate and Pentagon. The CIA, NASA, and even corporations would have wanted silence.

CasperParks
02-29-2016, 11:26 PM
It is possible that Kennedy's assassination was due to a variety issues. He had upset a lot of people. UFO / alien cover-up was one of many.

majicbar
03-01-2016, 12:41 AM
This is the only place I thought this may fit so if its in the wrong place please move it. But I would like to ask a few questions here. But lets start by letting me say that we have all read the continuing saga of conspiracy theories on the Kennedy assassination. Who shot, from where, how many shooters etc...But I am currently reading a book that brought up this scenario and this is my questions:

(1). Do you think Kennedy's assassination was partly due to his ambition to expose UFOs to the public?

Now having ask that we all know that Rockefeller imposed institutional reforms that would have made it impossible for any sitting President to reveal full disclosure. Rockefeller managed to completely wrestle executive power of the UFO situation away from the Executive branch.

(2). Is it these institutional reforms by Rockefeller that has kept present and past Presidents since Truman tight lipped about UFOs?

Not looking to debunk any conspiracy theories here just trying to figure out how or why at the time they considered the UFO subject a threat to national security. Apparently Kennedy's thought was that the Russians may get the wrong idea if they see one of these UFOs floating over Moscow or something and think it was the United States.

"Now having ask(ed) that: we all know that Rockefeller imposed institutional reforms that would have made it impossible for any sitting President to reveal full disclosure. Rockefeller managed to completely wrestle executive power of the UFO situation away from the Executive branch."

WHAT? You have to source such claims like this. There is no evidence for, and there is plaenty evidence AGAINST such a claim! How would Rockefeller have come to developing an organization more powerful than the U.S. government. One has to believe that the government does not know how to just say NO to such a power grab! Again, what is you source please?

X-Origins
03-01-2016, 01:33 AM
"Now having ask(ed) that: we all know that Rockefeller imposed institutional reforms that would have made it impossible for any sitting President to reveal full disclosure. Rockefeller managed to completely wrestle executive power of the UFO situation away from the Executive branch."

WHAT? You have to source such claims like this. There is no evidence for, and there is plaenty evidence AGAINST such a claim! How would Rockefeller have come to developing an organization more powerful than the U.S. government. One has to believe that the government does not know how to just say NO to such a power grab! Again, what is you source please?


If I can locate the file on my computer I will....If not I ain't going to worry about it.

calikid
03-01-2016, 01:44 AM
If I can locate the file on my computer I will....If not I ain't going to worry about it.

Planned to circle back around to the Rockefeller comment myself.
Not something I recall hearing before/sounds interesting.
I'd like to hear more, if you can dig it up.
Were you referring to VP Nelson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller) Rockefeller?

X-Origins
03-01-2016, 11:36 AM
Planned to circle back around to the Rockefeller comment myself.
Not something I recall hearing before/sounds interesting.
I'd like to hear more, if you can dig it up.
Were you referring to VP Nelson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Rockefeller) Rockefeller?

Hi....I cannot find that file and I do not remember where I got that. So I guess I have no source for it. Anyone reading this ignore that part of the OP, sorry about that folks. Hard to prove something without evidence.

Longeyes
03-01-2016, 03:52 PM
Welcome x origins

If you haven't read it I would recommend Micheal Salla's book discussed here
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1856-Kennedy-s-Last-Stand-Eisenhower-UFOs-MJ-12-amp-JFK-s-Assassination-by-Michael-Salla&highlight=Kennedy+book

lionheart001
03-02-2016, 07:47 PM
The group of people that aimed to control the world. I heard they even had a meeting onboard a Nuclear naval sub under the Polar ice cap once.

X-Origins
03-03-2016, 12:10 AM
Welcome x origins

If you haven't read it I would recommend Micheal Salla's book discussed here
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1856-Kennedy-s-Last-Stand-Eisenhower-UFOs-MJ-12-amp-JFK-s-Assassination-by-Michael-Salla&highlight=Kennedy+book

Thanks. I have seen that book on Amazon may have to get it......I am currently reading his other book on Exopolitics.

calikid
10-22-2017, 07:31 PM
Sounds like a trove of JFK Assassination documents is about to be released.
Let's hope President Trump doesn't block the release.
Should be interesting.

calikid
10-27-2017, 06:04 AM
I was in second grade when Kennedy was shot. A tender 7 year old trying to comprehend who the President was, and why anyone would want to kill him. I do recall the Warren Commission closing the issue. And promising that after 50 years ALL records would be released. Missed that deadline. Maybe in another 50?

Trump delays release of some JFK assassination documents, bowing to national security concerns
By Ian Shapira, Steve Hendrix and Carol D. Leonnig

President Trump delayed on Thursday evening the release of thousands of pages of classified documents related to the John F. Kennedy assassination, bowing to pressure from the CIA, FBI and other federal agencies still seeking to keep some final secrets about the nearly 54-year-old investigation.

The president allowed the immediate release of 2,800 records by the National Archives, following a last-minute scramble to meet a 25-year legal deadline. After lobbying by national security officials, the remaining documents will be reviewed during a 180-day period.

In a memo released by the White House, Trump said: “I am ordering today that the veil finally be lifted. At the same time, executive departments and agencies have proposed to me that certain information should continue to be redacted because of national security, law enforcement, and foreign affairs concerns. I have no choice — today — but to accept those redactions rather than allow potentially irreversible harm to our nation’s security.”
Story Continues (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trump-expected-to-release-remaining-jfk-assassination-documents-thursday/2017/10/25/52c8f71a-b9b7-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html)


https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/10/26/National-Enterprise/Advance/Graphics/jfk-50-promo.jpg?uuid=Y-xvCLpnEeebk7lwQ-V6Ig

Longeyes
10-27-2017, 02:58 PM
This has come out already
Police in Cambridge Uk were notified 25mins before the assassination took place

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-41773716

Wansen
10-27-2017, 10:38 PM
E. Howard Hunt’s (of Watergate infamy) attorney Douglas Caddy details a dinner with Hunt at which he claims Hunt told him Kennedy was assassinated for planning to reveal the reality of the ET presence on earth to the Soviets.


https://youtu.be/AUZuj59rpC8

Relevant portion starts at approximately 33:00

calikid
10-28-2017, 12:49 AM
E. Howard Hunt’s (of Watergate infamy) attorney Douglas Caddy details a dinner with Hunt at which he claims Hunt told him Kennedy was assassinated for planning to reveal the reality of the ET presence on earth to the Soviets.


https://youtu.be/AUZuj59rpC8

Relevant portion starts at approximately 33:00

That video is a few years old, Wansen.
Can't help but wonder if the new release of documents does anything to bolster Hunt's claim?

M-Albion-3D
10-28-2017, 08:26 AM
There's a new "Deep Space series" video just released on Gaia "JFK and the Deep Space program" The earlier videos in the Deep Space series were extremely good and well documented. I have not seen the new one in the series just yet (too late time for bed) but will watch tomorrow and will post my thoughts on this 30 min exposé

https://www.gaia.com/video/jfk-and-secret-space-program

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/922/RnrK5M.png

Wansen
10-28-2017, 12:02 PM
That video is a few years old, Wansen.
Can't help but wonder if the new release of documents does anything to bolster Hunt's claim?

After hearing about the CIA & FBI demanding that 100’s (or 1000’s depending upon the news source), of JFK files/documents remain sealed, I’d be quite surprised but pleased if it did.

Hard to accept that the truth, over half a century later, would still cause “significant harm to National Security”.

epo333
10-28-2017, 06:29 PM
After hearing about the CIA & FBI demanding that 100’s (or 1000’s depending upon the news source), of JFK files/documents remain sealed, I’d be quite surprised but pleased if it did.

Hard to accept that the truth, over half a century later, would still cause “significant harm to National Security”.

IMO, this continued cover-up most likely IS because of the ET/Alien aspect, as very little else could possibly matter after 50+ years . . .

It was around this time, alleged ET contacts at Holloman AFB took place. I'm thinking perhaps that event may have been on JFK's disclosure plan!

calikid
10-28-2017, 07:59 PM
IMO, this continued cover-up most likely IS because of the ET/Alien aspect, as very little else could possibly matter after 50+ years . . .

It was around this time, alleged ET contacts at Holloman AFB took place. I'm thinking perhaps that event may have been on JFK's disclosure plan!

Maybe, but there are some other possibilities. Like quotes from a mole the CIA had inside the KGB (rumored). Not something the CIA would want publicized.
I can respect that publishing SOME intelligence reports would hurt legitimate US intelligence efforts.
But hundreds or thousands of pages? Seems unlikely.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/56b232598b769964b4f83f9563aef37d/tumblr_nvthggX7fs1tdbdiyo8_1280.jpg

Wansen
10-28-2017, 08:09 PM
After hearing about the CIA & FBI demanding that 100’s (or 1000’s depending upon the news source), of JFK files/documents remain sealed, I’d be quite surprised but pleased if it did.

Hard to accept that the truth, over half a century later, would still cause “significant harm to National Security”.

Thank you, calikid. I am a routine victim of the dreaded auto-correct.

Wansen
10-29-2017, 03:13 AM
IMO, this continued cover-up most likely IS because of the ET/Alien aspect, as very little else could possibly matter after 50+ years . . .

It was around this time, alleged ET contacts at Holloman AFB took place. I'm thinking perhaps that event may have been on JFK's disclosure plan!

That is a fascinating (most likely) conclusion. I have to admit it does sound highly plausible.

The difficult part is getting my head around how (potentially) massive the coverup of the ET reality may be.

Among the multitude of JFK assassination theories adrift, one can only imagine the ‘knee jerk’ reaction the average Joe would have hearing something to the effect that “Kennedy was killed because of Aliens” when, in fact, this might very well be the truth.

CasperParks
10-29-2017, 04:44 AM
Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories will continue for a long, long time. I doubt Trump has or will see all files related to it... At a later date, if they claim to have released all the files - I will have my doubts.

M-Albion-3D
10-29-2017, 07:45 AM
I watched this highly informative video on Gaia and was impressed to understand some of the intrigue surrounding JFK's visit to Germany immediately after the second world war. Evidently, he was invited along by James Forestall, as they were personally close.

I suspect what they viewed and inspected there may have shocked them all to the core.

I've recorded about 6 minutes and recommended the watch if you have a subscription. The link is below the image.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/922/uRJlDE.png

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiQ1F5d3EtRWR2UEU/view?usp=sharing

calikid
10-29-2017, 04:50 PM
I watched this highly informative video on Gaia and was impressed to understand some of the intrigue surrounding JFK's visit to Germany immediately after the second world war. Evidently, he was invited along by James Forestall, as they were personally close.

I suspect what they viewed and inspected there may have shocked them all to the core.

I've recorded about 6 minutes and recommended the watch if you have a subscription. The link is below the image.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/922/uRJlDE.png

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiQ1F5d3EtRWR2UEU/view?usp=sharing

Nice synopsis of many theories.
Poor Forrestal. Reminds me of that TV Series, "The Prisoner".
Man dedicates his life to protecting Democracy, and at the end of his career is deemed: Knows too much, cannot be allowed to retire to civilian life.
Sad ending.

epo333
10-29-2017, 05:43 PM
I watched this highly informative video on Gaia and was impressed to understand some of the intrigue surrounding JFK's visit to Germany immediately after the second world war. Evidently, he was invited along by James Forestall, as they were personally close.

I suspect what they viewed and inspected there may have shocked them all to the core.

I've recorded about 6 minutes and recommended the watch if you have a subscription. The link is below the image.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/922/uRJlDE.png

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiQ1F5d3EtRWR2UEU/view?usp=sharing

Thanks for the video MA-3.

Several years ago I had an occasion to speak directly to a naval man who was working on the 4th floor of the hospital that very day when Forestal allegedly jumped.

(Keep in mind this is here say)

He informed me that just about everyone on the staff new something wasn't right up there.

He also said that Forestal was heavily medicated and could not likely climb over the radiator to go out the widow on his own. I was fortunate to meet this man at a wedding event and we spoke for about 30 to 40 mins about what he remembered (he was about 70 years old or so at the time).

Wansen
10-30-2017, 09:12 PM
Thanks for the video MA-3.

Several years ago I had an occasion to speak directly to a naval man who was working on the 4th floor of the hospital that very day when Forestal allegedly jumped.

(Keep in mind this is here say)

He informed me that just about everyone on the staff new something wasn't right up there.

He also said that Forestal was heavily medicated and could not likely climb over the radiator to go out the widow on his own. I was fortunate to meet this man at a wedding event and we spoke for about 30 to 40 mins about what he remembered (he was about 70 years old or so at the time).

Wow.

Hearsay or not, that is very interesting.

M-Albion-3D
11-10-2017, 07:55 AM
Thanks for the video MA-3.

Several years ago I had an occasion to speak directly to a naval man who was working on the 4th floor of the hospital that very day when Forestal allegedly jumped.

(Keep in mind this is here say)

He informed me that just about everyone on the staff new something wasn't right up there.

He also said that Forestal was heavily medicated and could not likely climb over the radiator to go out the widow on his own. I was fortunate to meet this man at a wedding event and we spoke for about 30 to 40 mins about what he remembered (he was about 70 years old or so at the time).

That conversation must have been pivotal I'm sure.

The death of Forestal and the surrounding implications left somewhat of a scar on me, I remember thinking at the time, that the powers in place above the Presidency, had adopted the same evil tactics which we have all seen in Nazi Germany, Stalin's purges and Pol Pot's evil wonderland. Very sad indeed.

What happened that day when Forestal was murdered (allegedly) ripped a tare in our constitution which has not been repaired ever since.

Longeyes
11-28-2017, 01:02 PM
Hi Guys

Would highly recommend the segment with Linda Moulton Howe.
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2017/11/21
The interview with Daniel Lizst is fascinating. And it all fits in really well with Michael Salla's book discussed here, in it recounted the rise of Dulles and JFK's connections to James Forrestal. Discussed here:
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1856-Kennedy-s-Last-Stand-Eisenhower-UFOs-MJ-12-amp-JFK-s-Assassination-by-Michael-Salla&highlight=kennedy

From the coast to coast website.
Investigative reporter Linda Moulton Howe discussed the release of JFK assassination records; the Watergate break-in; long-time employees of the CIA; and the Majestic-12 group's involvement of the killing of President John F. Kennedy. She described the background of the assassination and the participation of CIA head Allen Dulles, who was fired by Kennedy in November of 1961. She said that Dulles was also the head of the secretive MJ-12 group, which reportedly had control of all UFO information, including public disinformation as well as back-engineering of captured alien technology, and that this is a vital clue as to why JFK was killed.

Linda interviewed researcher/ producer Daniel Lizst, who mentioned that around the story of Lee Harvey Oswald and those he was in contact with, there is "often UFO information." He described the background of the power struggles during the Kennedy administration, including the fact that the Deputy Director of the CIA under Dulles (who was also fired by JFK) was Earle Cabell, who’s brother was mayor of Dallas at the time of the assassination as well as a CIA asset. He also mentioned the investigation of New Orleans DA Jim Garrison, who attempted to expose what he believed was a conspiracy behind the killing and found "a government within a government" and was convinced that the aerospace industry was involved as well.

Linda then shared a recording of her interview with lawyer Douglas Caddy, who was a friend and confidant of CIA operative and convicted Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt. Caddy said that in 1975, just before Hunt was about to start serving his jail sentence, he mentioned that Kennedy was killed because the CIA thought he was going to give "our most vital secret" to the Soviet Union. When Caddy asked him to reveal what this secret was, Hunt said "the alien presence," then shook his hand and walked away. Linda and her interview subjects further outlined a web of evidence that suggests in order to prevent the threat of nuclear war, JFK was attempting to share advanced aerospace technology with the Soviets, including concepts gleaned from captured UFOs, and that Dulles and others were determined to prevent this at any cost.

Continuing her talk with Lizst, he described a little-known figure named George Joannides, a CIA psychological warfare expert who was living and working in New Orleans the summer before the assassination. Lizst described how Joannides provided financial support to right-wing anti-Castro groups and also helped to build the impression that Oswald was a radical Communist. He also mentioned how Oswald was so fluent in Russian that his Soviet wife at first thought he was a native speaker, which was odd for a man who was supposedly a simple private in the Marines. He concluded that the assassination was meant to be a show of power by the Deep State at the time, because it was carried out "in broad daylight on a public street."

Daniel Lizst research seemed very sound to me. He joined a lot of dots.

Longeyes
11-28-2017, 01:21 PM
Daniel Lizst aka 'Dark Journalist' documentary

DARK JOURNALIST: Agent Oswald - The CIA Patsy - RARE JFK Assassination Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=hpyMuduBmtQ

There is more JFK stuff on his website
http://www.darkjournalist.com/s-caddy.php

Longeyes
11-28-2017, 02:31 PM
In this interview Watergate Lawyer and Author, Douglas Caddy says the last thing, ultra CIA insider and agent E. Howard Hunt, told him was Kennedy was assassinated because of the Alien Presence
@ 2hr 06 mins in...

http://www.darkjournalist.com/s-caddy.php

calikid
11-28-2017, 02:59 PM
CIA insider E Howard Hunt?
Forgot to mention convicted felon, member of Nixon dirty tricks squad.
One of the plumbers involved in Watergate.
IMHO, not the most trustworthy source. Use caution when assessing Hunt's Intel.

Longeyes
11-28-2017, 07:17 PM
That puts a dampener on it. Would recommend Daniel Lizst's interview on coast to coast though. They mentioned Dulles and so did Micheal Salla in his book I'm sure he was involved it somehow. I also watched his Dark Journalist documentary and it seemed well researched, had some great archive interviews in it, although I'm no expert in the field.

epo333
12-15-2021, 09:21 PM
Thousands of JFK assassination documents have just been made public

Classified documents related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy have been released.
The JFK files were released online after months of delays by the Biden administration.
Kennedy was fatally shot on November 22, 1963, as he rode in a presidential motorcade in Dallas . . .

Nearly 1,500 previously classified documents related to the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy were released on Wednesday by the US National Archives and Records Administration.


That trove of documents can be viewed here.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/release2021