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pontificator
01-12-2012, 02:37 AM
Right, there is a lot of material to cover, would this section structure look about right to you Fore?

1) Fundamental aspects of "The Influence" and it's effects in the physical universe.
2) The physical universe as one dimensional aspect of "The Influence"
3) Systems used to enter influence space from "outside" the universe [Translation Gates]
4) The "Self->Higher Mind->Filter->Spiritual Body->Body/Lower Mind" System
5) Non-Physical entities in the above systems.
6) Physical entities in the above systems.
7) Artificial Entities.
8) Psychic Powers and Higher Order Entities on classifying such abilities as "Magic" [defined here as the manipulation of reality through supernatural means, which the usage of the influence would be.]
9) Reclassification of some ET's as Technologically advanced Magicians?

pontificator
01-12-2012, 11:36 AM
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This should be familiar to some people. Now I currently seem to be unable to edit my posts in this thread, I will need that to be able to tidy things up as we go. Unfortunately the Open Minds forum is gone so I'll be using whatever backed-up material that is available.

The above images concern the nature of reality [an imprecise understanding] as regards the effects of "The Influence" over the self. as this thread goes on these images will be described in more detail, including how it appears to work. Be aware that while we will be discussing paranormal abilities and psychic powers, they are firmly viewed as magic by any Angel that was asked to comment [read, research, understand, but don't do. A single human with such powers is used by others more skilled, and that is essentially why it is "bad" per say.]

newyorklily
01-12-2012, 01:45 PM
Be aware that while we will be discussing paranormal abilities and psychic powers, they are firmly viewed as magic by any Angel that was asked to comment [read, research, understand, but don't do. A single human with such powers is used by others more skilled, and that is essentially why it is "bad" per say.]

Hi pontificator. I'm glad you decided to post this at the OutPost.

Could you go into this further, please? I've been working on mine (casually) for over 40 years and have never experienced a "no" from my Guardian Angels. Quite the opposite. In some case, I've felt that they wanted me to do more. Don't the angels you cite give protection (from evil)?

A99
01-12-2012, 02:57 PM
Pontificator, you need to point out that the information you are sharing here is Fore's and your point of view in terms of those topics discussed in this thread. To present such information as authoritative in ways beyond each of your personal experiences and insights (Fores and yours) is not the way you should be presenting this information.

The title of this thread should be "What Fore and I Think We Know So Far". That would be much more appropriate for those topics you are talking about in this thread ... IMHO.

A99
01-12-2012, 03:14 PM
This said though, I'm glad you are presenting this information and it will be useful in comparative analysis with those versions of the same kind of material by other "experiencers" and contactee's to not only see the common thread running through all of them but also those differences too.

But no version is more authentic and correct than any other version of information like this unless one has evidential material available too to help back up the information and claims that they are publicly presenting in forums like this one.

pontificator
01-13-2012, 12:11 PM
This said though, I'm glad you are presenting this information and it will be useful in comparative analysis with those versions of the same kind of material by other "experiencers" and contactee's to not only see the common thread running through all of them but also those differences too.

But no version is more authentic and correct than any other version of information like this unless one has evidential material available too to help back up the information and claims that they are publicly presenting in forums like this one.

It is the full intention to gradually flesh this information out extensively over time with other peoples experiences and experimental data, and I am well aware that there are inconsistencies that were deliberately inserted into the working model by the entities concerned. The last thing that any of them wanted was a working HowTo manual wandering around on the net. Especially when it can be used to show a lot of what they do is largely an elaborate framework of lies [remember that, and never take anything at face value.]

One of the biggest problems at the moment is that there are a lot of non-scientifically described documents on the subject, mainly concentrating on mysticism as opposed to a nuts and bolts understanding of the material concerned. This creates problems as you can fully understand, as well as presenting a multitude of terms for the same things, each with a slightly different definition [if there is one.] Therefore the reason the thread is entitled "we" as opposed to simply "Fore and Me" is that I expect the material to become highly hybridised over time. However, I will look at enforcing a certain standard of required in-depth analysis to see how it augments and fits in with Fore's model [Which works quite well when put into practice in terms of terminology and observation. There are some bits missing though, and these need to be clarified.]

@NewYorkLily, you are correct in that they give protection from evil if you are deserving of such protection [they only operate with Gods permission, and he does say no or limits the scope of what they can do.] One of the interesting things is that each person has a purpose and path to follow, one which might not necessarily result in you making it out the other end. It is up to the individual to apply their discretionary faculties as to what is required of them, and remember that Judas had a set fate that was absolutely necessary as it effectively set the final stage [someone had to do it after all.]

In terms of magic I am using the Oxford definition, and that applies to psychic powers and other supernatural abilities. Be aware that granted powers from the Holy Spirit are a different kettle of fish, and follow a different rule-set as they are not 100% self generated and controlled [Self-generative abilities can be inherent, and effectively a natural feature when not utilized beyond their initial state. Training them separately, and having them augmented, usually leads to something else taking advantage of them which is why they are inherently bad at the current time. There are also issues where they can cause fundamental damage to reality, and that is definitely not good.]

newyorklily
01-13-2012, 12:53 PM
I don't understand. Here you are saying that this is based on scientific principles and that you want to teach it in a "nust-and-bolts" manner and forego any mystical traditions.



One of the biggest problems at the moment is that there are a lot of non-scientifically described documents on the subject, mainly concentrating on mysticism as opposed to a nuts and bolts understanding of the material concerned. This creates problems as you can fully understand, as well as presenting a multitude of terms for the same things, each with a slightly different definition [if there is one.] Therefore the reason the thread is entitled "we" as opposed to simply "Fore and Me" is that I expect the material to become highly hybridised over time. However, I will look at enforcing a certain standard of required in-depth analysis to see how it augments and fits in with Fore's model [Which works quite well when put into practice in terms of terminology and observation. There are some bits missing though, and these need to be clarified.]

But here you are saying that it is controlled and ruled by religous beliefs and faith. Religious beliefs vary from person to person whereas the scientific method is constant. It can't be both so, which is it?


@NewYorkLily, you are correct in that they give protection from evil if you are deserving of such protection [they only operate with Gods permission, and he does say no or limits the scope of what they can do.] One of the interesting things is that each person has a purpose and path to follow, one which might not necessarily result in you making it out the other end. It is up to the individual to apply their discretionary faculties as to what is required of them, and remember that Judas had a set fate that was absolutely necessary as it effectively set the final stage [someone had to do it after all.]

In terms of magic I am using the Oxford definition, and that applies to psychic powers and other supernatural abilities. Be aware that granted powers from the Holy Spirit are a different kettle of fish, and follow a different rule-set as they are not 100% self generated and controlled [Self-generative abilities can be inherent, and effectively a natural feature when not utilized beyond their initial state. Training them separately, and having them augmented, usually leads to something else taking advantage of them which is why they are inherently bad at the current time. There are also issues where they can cause fundamental damage to reality, and that is definitely not good.]

I do not view God and angels the way you do therefore, I cannot agree with your method.

A99
01-13-2012, 01:24 PM
It is the full intention to gradually flesh this information out extensively over time with other peoples experiences and experimental data,
Hmmmm, no Pont, that would be a separate analysis that would also include Fore's contactee experiences and communications as well as a number of other experiencers and contactee communications. It would be a Fair and Balanced analysis and not one that is biased in any way to support those contentions made by one contactee and their astral "ET" sources who are communicating through them.
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and I am well aware that there are inconsistencies that were deliberately inserted into the working model by the entities concerned.

Inconsistencies were deliberately inserted into the... what?... working model, you say? Is this what Fore's guys are saying Pont? So because of that it's true and any contactee or experiencer whose communications do not say that are wrong Pont? Because only Fore's guys are the one who give out the correct info on things. No Pont... once again, you and Fore need to rename this thread from "What we think we know" to "What Fore and Pontificator Think They Know".





The last thing that any of them wanted was a working HowTo manual wandering around on the net.

Once again,you're talking about what Fore and his astral ET guys are saying only yet you are being disingenuous by trying to come across like ALL Experiencers and Contactee Sources are saying the above and that is completely ludicrous because once again, that's only what Fore and his ETs are saying, not everybody else's.




will continue later....

Dragonfire
01-13-2012, 02:24 PM
Good points A99,

Here's some questions Pontificator,

1 - Who's working model?
2 - Who set it up?
3 - Where did the original data come from to get it started?
4 - Who is working with the model?

There are other questions, but for now these will do.

A99
01-13-2012, 04:49 PM
Thanks for putting all of that into a nutshell Dragonfire! You've just showed us why you're a super-mod here and why I am not.:p

pontificator
01-13-2012, 06:51 PM
Hmmmm, no Pont, that would be a separate analysis that would also include Fore's contactee experiences and communications as well as a number of other experiencers and contactee communications. It would be a Fair and Balanced analysis and not one that is biased in any way to support those contentions made by one contactee and their astral "ET" sources who are communicating through them.

So, a neutral analysis as you say, devoid of support of any one individuals analysis of the situation. Well, as the thread has been re-titled that will no-longer be a problem, will it?



Inconsistencies were deliberately inserted into the... what?... working model, you say? Is this what Fore's guys are saying Pont? So because of that it's true and any contactee or experiencer whose communications do not say that are wrong Pont? Because only Fore's guys are the one who give out the correct info on things. No Pont... once again, you and Fore need to rename this thread from "What we think we know" to "What Fore and Pontificator Think They Know".


Actually that was a point made by Fore about what he had been taught. If you were familiar with the source material, and subsequent analysis in the past, then you would be aware of that piece of information. The general methodology employed by ET's in their research and contact program is that there should be a lock and key system for different experiencers. Some will find their stories match to a point, others will not. Essentially everyone has a piece of the puzzle, and it is a case of sorting the wheat from the chaff. This is also why experiencers divide into different groups, as the resulting friction from the, effectively, "he said she said" factor creating large-scale friction.



Once again,you're talking about what Fore and his astral ET guys are saying only yet you are being disingenuous by trying to come across like ALL Experiencers and Contactee Sources are saying the above and that is completely ludicrous because once again, that's only what Fore and his ETs are saying, not everybody else's.

will continue later....

Well, as the thread has been retitled to reflect your opinion before I even really gotten started this will no-longer be a problem. As I have stated, this is an evolving thread, and just because other experiencers have not made their comments yet, and had their material inserted into the model, does not mean that they will not do so.

*sheesh* I barely start writing something and everyone leaps down my throat...

pontificator
01-13-2012, 07:09 PM
I don't understand. Here you are saying that this is based on scientific principles and that you want to teach it in a "nust-and-bolts" manner and forego any mystical traditions.

Mystical tradition and mystical teachings are two different things. Much the same as a countries culture vs it's scientific achievements. In this case I am speaking of mysticism as a dressing around a scientific principle that obscures the hidden truth beneath [I'm actually surprised that I'm actually having to explain this, but then again "there you go" as it were {that quote is a saying btw, not an inference about you, just in case you take it that way}]



But here you are saying that it is controlled and ruled by religous beliefs and faith. Religious beliefs vary from person to person whereas the scientific method is constant. It can't be both so, which is it?

Did I say that? No. I am concentrating on the scientific method of analysis of the subject.



I do not view God and angels the way you do therefore, I cannot agree with your method.
You are free to express your opinion, and I will not hold it against you. [for a moment I thought a particular sentence had been edited out, but I just miss-read one of the paragraphs I'd written last night. Was tired at the time.]

pontificator
01-13-2012, 07:25 PM
Good points A99,
Here's some questions Pontificator,

1 - Who's working model?

Mine, Fore's and anyone who contributes to it.


2 - Who set it up?

Lets see, originally we had the material put together by Fore, which I was studying. By merely analyzing the material I, quite suddenly, came face to face with the supposedly impossible and non-existent. Given that there definitely appeared to be more to it after that quite unusual, but not unique, event I started running experiments with individuals on and offline. This thread will, over time as it is written, be a summary of what was found by myself, Fore, and those individuals [whom I doubt would wish to be identified in a public forum.]


3 - Where did the original data come from to get it started?

Crikey, how long is a piece of string? This goes well beyond just Fore's material and my experiences, in fact now I think about it I've been compiling material on the subject since roughly 1992, looking for a commonality in the material. Fore's experiences ticked all the right boxes at the time, and was one of the best described cases I had come across. The fact that it led to a visitation made it all the more compelling to research further using what I'd found so far. So the material will effectively be a summary of pretty much everything I've read and studied, as well as other peoples experiences, since just before the last century [quite literally].


4 - Who is working with the model?

At this time, myself because the forum is currently small and no-one has yet had anything to really contribute to as of yet. I am expecting as I put up more material people will be able to analyse and present what they experienced of a given area, and how this may effect the model. The model, yet to be written I might add, will be like any theory, evolving over time to best describe the presented material.


There are other questions, but for now these will do.
Fine enough, but is it normal procedure for everyone to have to describe everything it is they intend to do, or are working on? I really need some peace and quiet to simply get things done in terms of typing material up here so that people have something to work with. I barely have the index up...

Dragonfire
01-13-2012, 08:26 PM
Hey Pontificator, Thanks for the answers. It clears up some thoughts I had. I never really read any of fores blog or what you and others were doing there so excuse my ignorance.

I thought that maybe this was from some kind of scientific study being done someplace. Not fore's, yours, and others being done here or at the old place.

I think I'll follow along and see where it goes. I have not had the experiance so maybe I can be a little more objective.

newyorklily
01-13-2012, 11:28 PM
Originally Posted by newyorklilyhttp://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?p=4442#post4442)But here you are saying that it is controlled and ruled by religous beliefs and faith. Religious beliefs vary from person to person whereas the scientific method is constant. It can't be both so, which is it?




Did I say that? No. I am concentrating on the scientific method of analysis of the subject.



Yes, you did say that here.


@NewYorkLily, you are correct in that they give protection from evil if you are deserving of such protection [they only operate with Gods permission, and he does say no or limits the scope of what they can do.] One of the interesting things is that each person has a purpose and path to follow, one which might not necessarily result in you making it out the other end. It is up to the individual to apply their discretionary faculties as to what is required of them, and remember that Judas had a set fate that was absolutely necessary as it effectively set the final stage [someone had to do it after all.]

You are saying that one species of beings aides another species only if that species is deserving of protection and God approves it. That is a religious statement of faith. It is not science. Science is equal for everyone. Predestination (as you state above) is also a statement of faith. Do you have scientific proof of it? Or, for that matter, do you have scientific proof of God?

pontificator
01-14-2012, 10:42 AM
Yes, you did say that here.
*nods* I answered a question you brought up, and I will not answer any more such questions so that it might not offend you further than you already have been.


You are saying that one species of beings aides another species only if that species is deserving of protection and God approves it. That is a religious statement of faith. It is not science. Science is equal for everyone. Predestination (as you state above) is also a statement of faith. Do you have scientific proof of it? Or, for that matter, do you have scientific proof of God?

*nods knowingly* I could fire back with "can you prove gravity?", but that would be incredibly unfair to you. I made a statement based on observation and questioning, in completely neutral manner, which is but one aspect of the scientific discipline. Ask one and it is not scientific, ask two and get the same answer then you can form an hypotheses. Ask many, and receive the same answer, then it is a theory. Theories can be disproved when a different answer arises to the same question, leading to another hypotheses and so on. It is also possible to receive the same answer, but find that the consistent answer is a lie when put to the test [An observation made by some experiencers before me. However, this does not mean that everything lies, and so on.]

*hypothetically* If I observe a 50000 ton weight falling through the atmosphere, and absolutely state that it will hit the ground, and then it hits the ground, was it's fate predetermined or scientifically inevitable? A philosopher could come up with a "Deus Ex Machina" inspired answer to this that would defy reality, and which was much derided by Aristotle, Friedrich Nietzsche et al. The reality is that both interpretations would be two sides of the same coin, and neither inherently incorrect.

Anyway, I digress, I do intend to cover this more fully in the main material, and at that point you can expect a more coherent answer. Most material will be based on observation, correlation, and frequency of effect [Apparent repetition.]All aspects of the scientific method. However, I will not be conducting experiments based on any presented theory, that's for someone braver than I to do [part of the peer-preview process.]

I found what I was looking for, and it is a coherent writeup of the limitations of scientific theorem: http://adamkemp.newsvine.com/_news/2007/01/09/513465-the-nature-of-science-why-gravity-is-just-a-theory

pontificator
01-14-2012, 12:51 PM
Fundamentals to keep in mind:

“The Influence”: a descriptive and objective term that defines a certain set of expected behaviours for a given situation in which “The Influence” is utilized or manipulated. Substitute “The Influence” for “gravity” and you should understand more clearly the way in which I will use the term.

However, “The Influence” is not gravity, but gravity could be affected by “The influence” under the right circumstances. “The Influence” can also be referred to as “Influence” when directed by an entity to perform an action. As no suitable English word really exists to cover this we will need to cope with this for now.

Most people accept that the universe is multi-dimensional, and that some dimensions cannot be seen, but can be inferred through observation. The Double Slit experiment is one such observable effect, as is the flow of time around oneself [length, width, depth and time being aspects of reality that are readily accepted.]

Influence space, as it were, exists as a layer over these dimensions and more. There are dimensional aspects beyond Influence space and so on, until the edge of the universe is reached, and breached by the osmotic membranes between different physical universes [we will call this osmotic effect a translation gate, as it effectively converts from one universal set of reality to another; this will be discussed in section 3]. Not everyone supports the idea of multiple universes, but I note it has become quite popular amongst physicists over time.

Matter is expected to exhibit certain behaviours, and follow certain rules. It is at the influence layer that these rules are defined and regulated, where one might consider an “Influence Model” twin of the matter concerned to exist. Non-physically represented behaviours of the universe are also modelled and regulated at this layer, and can actually exist independently of the material layer. That is, until those non-physical properties interact with “Influence Models” that have a physically apparent twin.

Moving ahead to take a non-physical entity from section 5 we could place it in this Influence space. Its apparent existence would be non-observable, or even inferable, until it manipulated an “Influence Model” with a physical presence in 3 dimensional space. Because it could observe a scientist [which would have lot more going on than just an influence model at this layer] attempting to recreate the effect would only be possible if the entity intentionally repeated the effect.

Think upon that for a moment, and then think about how many times you have seen a wild rat run past you, and then how many times it repeated the action when you wanted it to. Hopefully you will now realize that if you could not recreate the effect of a wild animal running past you, then there is a very low probability of the scientist being able to replicate his experiment with an independent entity in influence space [which may even be the equivalent of a rat.]

Looking to section 4 in influence space we see complex structures that exist around certain types of physical manifestation, be it artificial or natural [in both the physical and influence sense for both instances]. A small animal will have its influence model of its physical matter, and then another structure that builds atop of this to give it the properties of an organic body. Further highly programmed structures act as interconnect points, referred to as “interconnect centres”, which have an actual set of interconnecting conduits, referred to simply as the “interconnect”, as it were, between control of the body and the consciousness guiding it.

In sections 6 and 8 I will cover prior experiments and observations of what happens when influence space is manipulated, and the effects of manipulating interconnect centres and the interconnect itself.
For clarification, the manipulation of matter by matter itself is “natural”, the manipulation of the fundamental natural laws by directed “Influence” is “supernatural”. A scientific device so advanced it appears magical but still works within the laws of the universe is “natural” and not magical [Dictionary definition supernatural]. A scientific device that is constructed by manipulating the influence layer, inferring new physical rule sets for the materials and behaviours of said materials, is both scientific and supernatural, or magical. Please remember this distinction if a non-corporeal entity “converses” with you; also not all objects with such properties will have a scientifically valid purpose or logical construction method.

This is an evolving document, and things will be clarified, corrected, and changed over time.

A99
01-14-2012, 02:54 PM
Pontificator said:


Lets see, originally we had the material put together by Fore, which I was studying. By merely analyzing the material I, quite suddenly, came face to face with the supposedly impossible and non-existent.

Why the secrets? Why can't you tell us what you came face-to-face with after "studying" over some of Fore's written material?

Could it be that you won't do that because some may interpret ‘it’ as from Satan or from the dark side because any description of 'it' quintessentially matches up in some way that many will identify it as something recognizable and/or comparable as something from that category?

Knowing that someone like Fore would relish anyone reporting on this board about what they came face-to-face with that they believe is connected to him, that the majority are very secretive and quiet about their own "face-to-face" experiences that are related to Fore should speak volumes on why that is.

I will not name names here but I'm one of them only in my own case, I had been talking about my own experiences publicly on OMF prior to the shut down but not here yet....

Hint: Reptilians
But one time I saw the backside of a tall white too show up.
Both connected to Fore.

A99
01-14-2012, 03:49 PM
I need to clarify what I meant by saying:

Hint: Reptilians
But one time I saw the backside of a tall white too show up.

Fore had flooded my place with "Raw Influence" and and by doing so he said that any entity (there at my place) can pick up the influence that is there and cause trouble.

Well, they did not cause trouble.. but the raw influence Fore sent caused them to manifest in 3D form for me to see clearly. But they were already there. I had been capturing photographic material of those beings before I ever registered at OMF and met Fore.

I have shown my material in forums I belonged to before i joined OMF.

But the "raw influence" that Fore sent my way, was used by those ETs that were hanging around my place and gave them enough energy to convert loosh... which is anything thing that "raw influence" is or works with.. so that they could manifest to me so that I could see them clearly in 3D physical form. In actuality though, they not in full physical form though to the eye, they looked that way.

I could add more information but for now, this is all I"m going to say... he did also send me some of his spirituals, as he called them.. I soon found out they were some trickster entities but when I described to him one of them, he said "Oh, that's one of the nicer ones".

But back to when Fore sent me that "raw influence" and I'm posting this so others here will have better understanding on it 'in his own words'.

Raw influence can also do something like this if there is either already unseen entities at the location he sends the influence too or through those 'spirituals' as he calls them that he sends out to people.... he said
"the entity can utter words in your head, the only requirement is that you have enough influence production."
So in that usage for "raw influence", psychics how have enough "influence production" can hear entities that are around them talking to them if
those entities are doing that.
So "influence" has a few definitions to it.... another word for it is Loosh. Fore as usual is giving his own name to a familiar term that was first defined by Robert Monroe.
But "Influence" also has other meanings too. and I have attempted to describe them in this message... these are in Fore's own words. They are quotes from Fore.


"if it does not,(meaning the entities who were already at my place, the Reptilians and others do not have enough influence) I told it (the spiritual/trickster being he sent out to me) I would flood your area with raw influence for it's use and activity.


... then Fore said " though as a result, your environment is likely to destablize in it's normal influence properties." He also said : "the other problem is that flooding an area like that is also the precepts of a haunting."
Also he said that after sending out raw influence, in this case through his "spirituals" that he sent out to me, "it means any entity (that is already there at my place) can pick up the influence that is there and cause trouble."

Fore
01-14-2012, 04:22 PM
Right, there is a lot of material to cover, would this section structure look about right to you Fore?

1) Fundamental aspects of "The Influence" and it's effects in the physical universe.
2) The physical universe as one dimensional aspect of "The Influence"
3) Systems used by Multi-Dimensional's to enter Physical space from "outside" the universe [Translation Gates]
4) The "Self->Spiritual Body- >Higher Mind->[Inter-connect] Filter->->Body/Lower Mind" System
5) Non-Physical entities in the above systems.
6) Physical entities in the above systems.
^) Trans-Dimenstional entities in the above systems.
7) Artificial Entities. (Artificially created "Encounter" Bodies)
8) Psychic Powers and Higher Order Entities on classifying such abilities as "Magic" [defined here as the manipulation of reality through supernatural means, which the usage of the influence would be.]
9) Reclassification of some ET's as Technologically advanced Magicians?

Corrected a few points but otherwise should work. Are you going to put it in a chapter format?

Should be fun. LOL, I wonder if TOP will be as resilient as OM was? Lets test it and see...

P.S. Now that no one is watching what I say or divulge, I can say as much as I please. I don't know if you will come out unscathed though. Should be very interesting to talk without an editor actively working behind the scenes.

I liked the name you made for this thread as well.

A99
01-14-2012, 04:23 PM
The ones that were already there didn't cause trouble... they just manifested in 3d or nearly so so I could see them.. when they would flash in. He loaded my apt with energy/loosh for those ETs to work with to manifest.

I have had them manifest though before on various occasions in the past via through my own 'influence production'. But those who are like us, know that such abilities are an on and off thing and come in waves that may last for even months at a time before it weakens again.

A99
01-14-2012, 04:31 PM
Corrected a few points but otherwise should work. Are you going to put it in a chapter format?

Should be fun. LOL, I wonder if TOP will be as resilient as OM was? Lets test it and see...

P.S. Now that no one is watching what I say or divulge, I can say as much as I please. I don't know if you will come out unscathed though. Should be very interesting to talk without an editor actively working behind the scenes.

I liked the name you made for this thread as well.

I will be making some corrections as Pont. continues here. Anyone who wants me to send them some Raw Influence, as Fore calls it, just let me know. :) You will see the results too. But rest assured, I will NOT be sending you any trickster entities... like Fore sent to me... oh, but yes, but sent me one of the "Nicer Ones".

A99
01-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Originally Posted by pontificator
Right, there is a lot of material to cover, would this section structure look about right to you Fore?

1) Fundamental aspects of "The Influence" and it's effects in the physical universe.
2) The physical universe as one dimensional aspect of "The Influence"
3) Systems used by Multi-Dimensional's to enter Physical space from "outside" the universe [Translation Gates]
4) The "Self->Spiritual Body- >Higher Mind->[Inter-connect] Filter->->Body/Lower Mind" System
5) Non-Physical entities in the above systems.
6) Physical entities in the above systems.
^) Trans-Dimenstional entities in the above systems.
7) Artificial Entities. (Artificially created "Encounter" Bodies)
8) Psychic Powers and Higher Order Entities on classifying such abilities as "Magic" [defined here as the manipulation of reality through supernatural means, which the usage of the influence would be.]
9) Reclassification of some ET's as Technologically advanced Magicians?


I will be putting the above in plain English minus the psycho/techno babble for greater clarity and understanding.

Fore
01-14-2012, 04:48 PM
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This should be familiar to some people. Now I currently seem to be unable to edit my posts in this thread, I will need that to be able to tidy things up as we go. Unfortunately the Open Minds forum is gone so I'll be using whatever backed-up material that is available.

The above images concern the nature of reality [an imprecise understanding] as regards the effects of "The Influence" over the self. as this thread goes on these images will be described in more detail, including how it appears to work. Be aware that while we will be discussing paranormal abilities and psychic powers, they are firmly viewed as magic by any Angel that was asked to comment [read, research, understand, but don't do. A single human with such powers is used by others more skilled, and that is essentially why it is "bad" per say.]@ Any Readers

In other words, Read, Learn and Understand....but beware.

Technically, this is....in a sense....forbidden knowledge. (Religiously speaking)

So if you put it into practice, your in for a world of hurt because of so many hazards that exist if you intend to actually develop and use these abilities. There are also moral hazards that you will frequently encounter. There are also ethical issues that will quickly arise in your mind if you start to utilize these various types of paranormal phenomena to your advantage. If you learn about it and use it to understand what you see in ET/UFO accounts (in general) what once didn't make much sense....will now seem more "ordinary" and understandable.

Also, a tiny warning for those currently engaged in ET affairs. If you absorb this information be aware that when you are "read" telepathically, you are very likely to be asked how you know about this or any of the topics within. You might be asked very firm questions or you might even be upgraded in their handling approach...though I am not sure that is a good thing.

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(IMO)
The more aware you are of "things you shouldn't know about" the more iffy your predicament becomes.

If you are in front of the right ET, they might open up more with the truth [and less of the practiced disinfo] of what they are doing with you if they believe you have a sufficient understanding of what is happening around you.

If you are in front of the wrong ET, well, bad things might happen as they try to figure out (from you) where you learned it from and what to do next (if anything).

It is 50/50 luck of the draw. I hope you are a very lucky guy/gal!

A99
01-14-2012, 04:53 PM
Since I will be making some inputs to this thread, I will be showing you how you can use your own Influence Production to be able to capture photographic evidence of those beings/ets/entities should any of them be around you... which is usually the case. We each are surrounded by the unseen.

If you do not have enough "Influence Production" then you will not be able to capture things photographically... unless the beings are already loaded with their own "Influence Production" to be able to manifest in ways to be able to be photographed or recorded by video.

Fore said:

Technically, this is....in a sense....forbidden knowledge.

The information being shared here is NOT forbidden knowledge. :rolleyes:

It may seem so in the presentation Fore and Pont are giving here because they are sometimes (many times) speaking cryptically to make things harder to understand for the neophyte... that and them using Fore's own terms he created for terms already in usage. That too serves the purpose to make things more complicated in terms of explaining everything and also making things sound more Science Fiction-like... like something out of Star Wars. lol

norenrad
01-14-2012, 05:28 PM
I will be putting the above in plain English minus the psycho/techno babble for greater clarity and understanding.

I was hoping somebody would. I'm trying really hard to follow what you guys are talking about.

A99
01-14-2012, 05:47 PM
I will do my best Norerad... Unlike Fore and Pont who, curiously enough sound very much like writers, I myself am not a jack-of-all- trades which means that I am not, conveniently enough, a writer too.
But I do have the background and expertise in this area on a number of different levels to be able to explain everything in plain English so that everybody will understand the information and not just science fiction fans including those who are familiar with Fores terms for things that already have other terms for them... lol.

Fore
01-14-2012, 05:56 PM
It is the full intention to gradually flesh this information out extensively over time with other peoples experiences and experimental data, and I am well aware that there are inconsistencies that were deliberately inserted into the working model by the entities concerned. The last thing that any of them wanted was a working HowTo manual wandering around on the net. Especially when it can be used to show a lot of what they do is largely an elaborate framework of lies [remember that, and never take anything at face value.] Exactly.

I will help you in every way I can. I can even explain why some of my trained abilities work. It is pretty simple to understand as long as the basics are already understood by the reader. The principles are nothing fancy "nor of Fantasy".

I love it when some of the UFO community reads my material as they start to unravel many of the mysterious cases they read about over the years, it seems. With hundreds of cases in their memory it all starts to be reinterpreted in "a new light" and they start to deduce things they didn't previously.

It is so much fun to see that happening, LOL.

For the ETs though, it is not a fun event. Some of them see trouble brewing when people start to come to an understanding of events they previously did not understand. Some of the ETs only see people whom can now differentiate between what was once thought to be a fake case...is now real...and what was once thought to be a real case...is now a fake or inconsistent in some crucial way.

They also start to see the claims people make (as crazy as they are "made to sound" by the ETs involved in mind games) and start to realize the scope of the foundation of lies that are being perpetuated. They have a woven tapestry...and no one likes it when the threads are pulled apart and it begins to unravel.

My only determination is to replicate some of my understandings to other minds. So that they can then evaluate the multitude of cases through this understanding. I hope it is very enlightening and shocking at the same time.


One of the biggest problems at the moment is that there are a lot of non-scientifically described documents on the subject, mainly concentrating on mysticism as opposed to a nuts and bolts understanding of the material concerned. This creates problems as you can fully understand, as well as presenting a multitude of terms for the same things, each with a slightly different definition [if there is one.] Therefore the reason the thread is entitled "we" as opposed to simply "Fore and Me" is that I expect the material to become highly hybridised over time. However, I will look at enforcing a certain standard of required in-depth analysis to see how it augments and fits in with Fore's model [Which works quite well when put into practice in terms of terminology and observation. There are some bits missing though, and these need to be clarified.] I will try my best to replicate my knowledge to you. I won't be visiting any other thread at TOP just to be sure any free time is dedicated to just this purpose.


@NewYorkLily, you are correct in that they give protection from evil if you are deserving of such protection [they only operate with Gods permission, and he does say no or limits the scope of what they can do.] One of the interesting things is that each person has a purpose and path to follow, one which might not necessarily result in you making it out the other end. It is up to the individual to apply their discretionary faculties as to what is required of them, and remember that Judas had a set fate that was absolutely necessary as it effectively set the final stage [someone had to do it after all.]

In terms of magic I am using the Oxford definition, and that applies to psychic powers and other supernatural abilities. Be aware that granted powers from the Holy Spirit are a different kettle of fish, and follow a different rule-set as they are not 100% self generated and controlled [Self-generative abilities can be inherent, and effectively a natural feature when not utilized beyond their initial state. Training them separately, and having them augmented, usually leads to something else taking advantage of them which is why they are inherently bad at the current time. There are also issues where they can cause fundamental damage to reality, and that is definitely not good.]I am quite....shocked....that you understand this.

You are one scary dude when it comes to insightful understanding of these things....insightful to a disturbing degree. I wonder if it was a coincidence that we met at the other forum?

It is hard to leave me shocked...but somehow you succeeded in that. I didn't expect you to realize any of that.

I have been witnessing the various abilities of the Holy Spirit and it is unlike mine. It is surprising at how it works when I ask and pray for it. That is just one of the core reasons why I have suspended the use of my own abilities. God is the provider, therefore I depend on Him. I no longer want to use my own abilities....as strange as that sounds. It feels better this way.

It is why I agree with you, I prefer people educate themselves about "the phenomena" for the sake of their own unique understanding and to be wiser about the situations they see and confront themselves. But not pick up these same "tools and their designs" to commit the same mistakes I did with them.

Fore
01-14-2012, 06:07 PM
@ Pontif

I suggest every three pages we compile a list of the most relevant material. So that anyone dropping in half way can save themselves time by reading the most relevant posts instead of the whole back and forth that has very little to do with the purpose of the thread.

I suggest this kind of format (example):

Post:
[#1] (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=4313&viewfull=1#post4313),[#2] (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=4328&viewfull=1#post4328),[#28] (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=4651&viewfull=1#post4651)

A99
01-14-2012, 06:09 PM
I can even explain why some of my trained abilities work.

Oh... in my case it is different. I will not only be explaining my own trained abilities, but I will be doing demonstrations of them too. :)

newyorklily
01-14-2012, 06:10 PM
@ Any Readers

In other words, Read, Learn and Understand....but beware.

Technically, this is....in a sense....forbidden knowledge. (Religiously speaking)

So if you put it into practice, your in for a world of hurt because of so many hazards that exist if you intend to actually develop and use these abilities. There are also moral hazards that you will frequently encounter. There are also ethical issues that will quickly arise in your mind if you start to utilize these various types of paranormal phenomena to your advantage. If you learn about it and use it to understand what you see in ET/UFO accounts (in general) what once didn't make much sense....will now seem more "ordinary" and understandable.

Also, a tiny warning for those currently engaged in ET affairs. If you absorb this information be aware that when you are "read" telepathically, you are very likely to be asked how you know about this or any of the topics within. You might be asked very firm questions or you might even be upgraded in their handling approach...though I am not sure that is a good thing.

----------------

(IMO)
The more aware you are of "things you shouldn't know about" the more iffy your predicament becomes.

If you are in front of the right ET, they might open up more with the truth [and less of the practiced disinfo] of what they are doing with you if they believe you have a sufficient understanding of what is happening around you.

If you are in front of the wrong ET, well, bad things might happen as they try to figure out (from you) where you learned it from and what to do next (if anything).

It is 50/50 luck of the draw. I hope you are a very lucky guy/gal!

So what do you think of established remote viewers such as Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith? Or those who teach such as Courtney Brown and Ed Dames? Do you think they are evil? Or leading everyone into danger?

A99
01-14-2012, 06:11 PM
@ Pontif

I suggest every three pages we compile a list of the most relevant material. So that anyone dropping in half way can save themselves time by reading the most relevant posts instead of the whole back and forth that has very little to do with the purpose of the thread.

I suggest this kind of format (example):

Post:
[#1],[#2],[#28]


Lol, you mean the books where you lifted most of your information from?
Can we start with Montalk/Archie's :biggrin2: bibliographies for his books?

Fore
01-14-2012, 06:17 PM
Once again,you're talking about what Fore and his astral ET guys are saying

@ A99

They are not "astral" ET. (whatever that means?)

That is a big misconception as later when I make a basic animation it eliminate the ambiguity.

@ Mods,

If pontif is fine with it, could you change the name of the thread?

A99
01-14-2012, 06:20 PM
You use your terms and I will interpret them to mine. Your ETs are 'astral'.

Mind aren't.

Fore
01-14-2012, 06:29 PM
So what do you think of established remote viewers such as Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle and Paul Smith? Or those who teach such as Courtney Brown and Ed Dames? Do you think they are evil? Or leading everyone into danger?

I don't think (or know) much about them.

As for one thread of what leads people into danger, it is the freedom to use them without any oversight except a persons own whims. If I use it to RV my local ATM to pluck the PINs from the people making transactions as well as their card numbers, then I can do what ever social engineering I can get away with. That might be what some people might think of doing.

Or how about watching your spouse 24x7 to make sure she/he is not cheating on you? (Imagine RV AND Telepathy in this scenario?...)

Or what if you drop in Remotely to hear a conversation where people are laughing about lying to you? What should a person do (ethically) when confronted with non-standard (psychic) collection activity? Should they react on it preemptively? Maybe walk into it despite knowing about it?

Those are the kind of moral/ethical and behavioral dangers I am talking about. (By the way, that last one is real and has happened to me in real life off the forum...not fun)

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The other danger is....

In a world where almost everyone is largely dormant at their psychic level....it is not hard to spot a psychic from the sky sitting in a tin can in the sky.

Especially if you have a lot of influence output spreading out all over the place like a flare in a concrete and wooden jungle called a city. A psychics emissions can be sensed from a great distance. Especially by high technology folk floating invisibly through our air space.

I think Steven Greer and folks like him have pow-wows at beaches and far off places (at great cost) to show people how to make themselves "get noticed".


The people you attract may not be friendly, or they may be very friendly...therein is the danger.

To assume there is none...is kinda interesting to say the least. I am not even invoking (pun intended) the topic of spiritual sources.

Fore
01-14-2012, 06:33 PM
You use your terms and I will interpret them to mine. Your ETs are 'astral'.

Mind aren't.

If by astral you mean physical...then yes. Otherwise, it is disinformation.

Fore
01-14-2012, 06:45 PM
Lol, you mean the books where you lifted most of your information from?
Can we start with Montalk/Archie's :biggrin2: bibliographies for his books?No, that would be to skip the irrelevant [or marginally irrelevant] posts on this thread.

newyorklily
01-14-2012, 06:56 PM
I don't think (or know) much about them.

I have started two threads in this (Mind's Eye) section. Each has free downloads of professional journals on Remote Viewing. I think you will find them a very interesting read. I suggest starting with the one from IRVA (International Remote viewing Association).


As for one thread of what leads people into danger, it is the freedom to use them without any oversight except a persons own whims. If I use it to RV my local ATM to pluck the PINs from the people making transactions as well as their card numbers, then I can do what ever social engineering I can get away with. That might be what some people might think of doing.

And the splitting of the hydrogen atom led to nuclear medicine as well as weapons of mass destruction. The same could be said about any hardware gathered after a UFO crash.



The people you attract may not be friendly, or they may be very friendly...therein is the danger.

To assume there is none...is kinda interesting to say the least. I am not even invoking (pun intended) the topic of spiritual sources.

So is walking down many New York City streets.

I'm not saying there is no danger in it, I'm saying that the ability, in and of itself, is not evil.

Fore
01-14-2012, 07:05 PM
Since I will be making some inputs to this thread, I will be showing you how you can use your own Influence Production to be able to capture photographic evidence of those beings/ets/entities should any of them be around you... which is usually the case. We each are surrounded by the unseen.

If you do not have enough "Influence Production" then you will not be able to capture things photographically... unless the beings are already loaded with their own "Influence Production" to be able to manifest in ways to be able to be photographed or recorded by video.

Fore said:


The information being shared here is NOT forbidden knowledge. :rolleyes:

It may seem so in the presentation Fore and Pont are giving here because they are sometimes (many times) speaking cryptically to make things harder to understand for the neophyte... that and them using Fore's own terms he created for terms already in usage. That too serves the purpose to make things more complicated in terms of explaining everything and also making things sound more Science Fiction-like... like something out of Star Wars. lolI didn't learn it from books my friend. I learned it through interactions, lessons and lots of stress testing conducted upon me.

The stuff you see on TV and books may be what you learned from. It is not what I learned. So if I seem a bit lost by hollywood words. It might be because I am actually not too familiar with the stuff that is laying around in pop-culture.

Your references to pop-culture are just more mystified associations. I don't even like Star Wars. (!)

If you want to use hollywood terms to describe the paranormal, by all means tire yourself out. If you want to use the nitty gritty terms that are found in a mystics corner/tent, by all means tire yourself out. If you wish to demonstrate for me your psychic prowess with lots of hand waving, by all means, tire yourself out.

I can then utilize your own excess output (if any) for my own commentary purposes.

Fore
01-14-2012, 07:52 PM
I have started two threads in this (Mind's Eye) section. Each has free downloads of professional journals on Remote Viewing. I think you will find them a very interesting read. I suggest starting with the one from IRVA (International Remote viewing Association). Was Ingo Swann the one that wrote Penetration?

If so then I know him a little bit. I have not yet read past page 18. But it was incredibly interesting to read even up to that point if that is Ingo Swann. If that is him, he made some interesting discoveries at the pool on that day. Heh, very interesting man.




And the splitting of the hydrogen atom led to nuclear medicine as well as weapons of mass destruction. The same could be said about any hardware gathered after a UFO crash. I cannot argue against this point. Just be aware, the greater the leap forward, the greater the danger.





So is walking down many New York City streets.

I'm not saying there is no danger in it, I'm saying that the ability, in and of itself, is not evil.I don't know what to say to this, other than....I think the ability itself is not necessarily evil. I think by use of it, new doors are opened up that can lead to a pandoras box.

The immensity of the dangers and human nature make me personally feel Grimm at the thought. Even I need supervision every now and then.

If left alone with my abilities actively turned completely on. I worry deeply about what the various temptations would lead me to do. The only ones whom have ever held me back were the ETs under strict observation. Enough so, it is very rare that anyone leaves me unattended for long without some level of oversight.

Since I have disabled the majority of the psychic tools at my disposal, I have also found that my personal stiff control over my lower mind has degraded. I am becoming less like them in control and more like the average person. I personally resolved to keep temptation at a distance. It is a scary thought in itself to imagine that one day I will be totally normal and share the same base thoughts and motivations as any regular person.

That is probably something super strange to say LOL. But thats how I see it.

When I had my abilities in their active state, the lower mind is just like your hand, you can control it with an overbearing degree. Same is true for your own personal body and it's associated psychic extensions. Enough control, that people like me become extremely flat emotionally (and perhaps creatively). Stoic[1] (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoic) is maybe a better term. Inert.

There is alot that goes on inside a normal person that doesn't occur in that state of mind. There is an excess of self control that is necessary to control your own ability.

Normal people are very laid back and relaxed in a different sense. Very uninhibited and fluid and selfish but loving and caring etc...

It is scary to think on the possibility that someday there will be people whom will naturally gain control of their abilities with their lower mind as their guiding force.

You must imagine the mayhem that will cause. Privacy and the level of perception will be something unfamiliar to people alive today. I imagine it must work out somehow. But how, is a mystery even to me. I wouldn't be surprised if WW3 is a necessary component to it's evolution. Even the kids whom are gifted with the artificial versions (I think they call themselves star seeds?) seem to realize there is a deeply incompatible nature to how two different levels of thoughts and comportment work.

Personally, I don't see how the two can co-exist in a really genuine and functional way. Even the ETs instructed me to emulate the expected behaviors that normal people seem to expect. But all of that is just pure emulation and not actual deep understanding of what normal is supposed to be.

The ETs I knew don't seem to have a fully functional fix to integrating the two perfectly. I recall my handler tried to teach me how to try to create a genuine approximation of what people want. The whole PSI ability and the associated "control mechanisms" are like "a gear" that changes "the human way" too drastically to still make it compatible in just the right sense. Every impression I have always heard seemed to indicate the next version will be better or more robust and compatible.

But I think those are just baloney rumors. They seem to get the biology right but the psychology is not quite mixing well. There is something that is missing that they are trying to recreate. Something that makes the two compatible.

I see that I can see another persons mind, I understand it to a great degree, but I don't know how to relate to it perfectly as the same sensations in the other persons body aren't going through mine.

Now that my abilities are turned off, and the self control is evaporating, the whole base foundation is coming together and stirring up. Old things that stirred in me since childhood are coming back. It feels nice to be able to sit somewhere and talk and your behavior and symptoms inside your mind and chest all work together to make it natural. But I wonder how much more I will De-evolve before I reach a completely normal state where my thoughts will be all over the place like everyone else. Or when I will start to fidget like everyone else and have that natural authentic prose that people always have.

It is strange to compare my group to perfectly normal people, there is such a huge difference. I wonder why they even wanted me to learn this stuff anyway?

newyorklily
01-14-2012, 09:03 PM
Was Ingo Swann the one that wrote Penetration?

If so then I know him a little bit. I have not yet read past page 18. But it was incredibly interesting to read even up to that point if that is Ingo Swann. If that is him, he made some interesting discoveries at the pool on that day. Heh, very interesting man.
Yes, that is him.




I don't know what to say to this, other than....I think the ability itself is not necessarily evil. I think by use of it, new doors are opened up that can lead to a pandoras box.

The immensity of the dangers and human nature make me personally feel Grimm at the thought. Even I need supervision every now and then.

If left alone with my abilities actively turned completely on. I worry deeply about what the various temptations would lead me to do. The only ones whom have ever held me back were the ETs under strict observation. Enough so, it is very rare that anyone leaves me unattended for long without some level of oversight.

Since I have disabled the majority of the psychic tools at my disposal, I have also found that my personal stiff control over my lower mind has degraded. I am becoming less like them in control and more like the average person. I personally resolved to keep temptation at a distance. It is a scary thought in itself to imagine that one day I will be totally normal and share the same base thoughts and motivations as any regular person.

That is probably something super strange to say LOL. But thats how I see it.

When I had my abilities in their active state, the lower mind is just like your hand, you can control it with an overbearing degree. Same is true for your own personal body and it's associated psychic extensions. Enough control, that people like me become extremely flat emotionally (and perhaps creatively). Stoic[1] (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoic) is maybe a better term. Inert.

There is alot that goes on inside a normal person that doesn't occur in that state of mind. There is an excess of self control that is necessary to control your own ability.

Normal people are very laid back and relaxed in a different sense. Very uninhibited and fluid and selfish but loving and caring etc...

It is scary to think on the possibility that someday there will be people whom will naturally gain control of their abilities with their lower mind as their guiding force.

You must imagine the mayhem that will cause. Privacy and the level of perception will be something unfamiliar to people alive today. I imagine it must work out somehow. But how, is a mystery even to me. I wouldn't be surprised if WW3 is a necessary component to it's evolution. Even the kids whom are gifted with the artificial versions (I think they call themselves star seeds?) seem to realize there is a deeply incompatible nature to how two different levels of thoughts and comportment work.

Personally, I don't see how the two can co-exist in a really genuine and functional way. Even the ETs instructed me to emulate the expected behaviors that normal people seem to expect. But all of that is just pure emulation and not actual deep understanding of what normal is supposed to be.

The ETs I knew don't seem to have a fully functional fix to integrating the two perfectly. I recall my handler tried to teach me how to try to create a genuine approximation of what people want. The whole PSI ability and the associated "control mechanisms" are like "a gear" that changes "the human way" too drastically to still make it compatible in just the right sense. Every impression I have always heard seemed to indicate the next version will be better or more robust and compatible.

But I think those are just baloney rumors. They seem to get the biology right but the psychology is not quite mixing well. There is something that is missing that they are trying to recreate. Something that makes the two compatible.

I see that I can see another persons mind, I understand it to a great degree, but I don't know how to relate to it perfectly as the same sensations in the other persons body aren't going through mine.

Now that my abilities are turned off, and the self control is evaporating, the whole base foundation is coming together and stirring up. Old things that stirred in me since childhood are coming back. It feels nice to be able to sit somewhere and talk and your behavior and symptoms inside your mind and chest all work together to make it natural. But I wonder how much more I will De-evolve before I reach a completely normal state where my thoughts will be all over the place like everyone else. Or when I will start to fidget like everyone else and have that natural authentic prose that people always have.

It is strange to compare my group to perfectly normal people, there is such a huge difference. I wonder why they even wanted me to learn this stuff anyway?

I think you need to look for a guru. A human who is very familiar and experienced with these abilities but, because he is human, knows the drawbacks and temptations as well.

neverwas
01-15-2012, 02:36 AM
The immensity of the dangers and human nature make me personally feel Grimm at the thought. Even I need supervision every now and then.

If left alone with my abilities actively turned completely on. I worry deeply about what the various temptations would lead me to do. The only ones whom have ever held me back were the ETs under strict observation. Enough so, it is very rare that anyone leaves me unattended for long without some level of oversight.

Since I have disabled the majority of the psychic tools at my disposal, I have also found that my personal stiff control over my lower mind has degraded. I am becoming less like them in control and more like the average person. I personally resolved to keep temptation at a distance. It is a scary thought in itself to imagine that one day I will be totally normal and share the same base thoughts and motivations as any regular person.

That is probably something super strange to say LOL. But thats how I see it.

When I had my abilities in their active state, the lower mind is just like your hand, you can control it with an overbearing degree. Same is true for your own personal body and it's associated psychic extensions. Enough control, that people like me become extremely flat emotionally (and perhaps creatively). Stoic[1] (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stoic) is maybe a better term. Inert.

There is alot that goes on inside a normal person that doesn't occur in that state of mind. There is an excess of self control that is necessary to control your own ability.

Normal people are very laid back and relaxed in a different sense. Very uninhibited and fluid and selfish but loving and caring etc...

It is scary to think on the possibility that someday there will be people whom will naturally gain control of their abilities with their lower mind as their guiding force.

You must imagine the mayhem that will cause. Privacy and the level of perception will be something unfamiliar to people alive today. I imagine it must work out somehow. But how, is a mystery even to me. I wouldn't be surprised if WW3 is a necessary component to it's evolution. Even the kids whom are gifted with the artificial versions (I think they call themselves star seeds?) seem to realize there is a deeply incompatible nature to how two different levels of thoughts and comportment work.

Personally, I don't see how the two can co-exist in a really genuine and functional way. Even the ETs instructed me to emulate the expected behaviors that normal people seem to expect. But all of that is just pure emulation and not actual deep understanding of what normal is supposed to be.

The ETs I knew don't seem to have a fully functional fix to integrating the two perfectly. I recall my handler tried to teach me how to try to create a genuine approximation of what people want. The whole PSI ability and the associated "control mechanisms" are like "a gear" that changes "the human way" too drastically to still make it compatible in just the right sense. Every impression I have always heard seemed to indicate the next version will be better or more robust and compatible.

But I think those are just baloney rumors. They seem to get the biology right but the psychology is not quite mixing well. There is something that is missing that they are trying to recreate. Something that makes the two compatible.

I see that I can see another persons mind, I understand it to a great degree, but I don't know how to relate to it perfectly as the same sensations in the other persons body aren't going through mine.

Now that my abilities are turned off, and the self control is evaporating, the whole base foundation is coming together and stirring up. Old things that stirred in me since childhood are coming back. It feels nice to be able to sit somewhere and talk and your behavior and symptoms inside your mind and chest all work together to make it natural. But I wonder how much more I will De-evolve before I reach a completely normal state where my thoughts will be all over the place like everyone else. Or when I will start to fidget like everyone else and have that natural authentic prose that people always have.

It is strange to compare my group to perfectly normal people, there is such a huge difference. I wonder why they even wanted me to learn this stuff anyway?

It is a good thing to stay away from things that temp, one must choose wisely.
This is a form of thought control in itself -don't let garbage in.
Why should your thought's be all over the place? Maybe you need to learn a new form of control, IDK
I don't see where one has to be all "natural" when one would be "turned off"
Why should your thought patterns change so much.
Maybe your overshooting on trying to be too much controlled by the lower "nature". Is this where man's mind really supposed to be fore ? One needs to find the happy middle ground.
I'm thinking that being a little less introspective and a little more mindful of close relationships around one can be helpful, just thinking to do no harm to those nearest you and being spontaneous with what should already be a practiced reaction and not worrying so much about if you reacted perfectly to the situation
is more a normal way "To BE"

norenrad
01-15-2012, 03:03 AM
I don't even like Star Wars.

:yikes:

For the love of God! WHY?!

norenrad
01-15-2012, 03:35 AM
It is strange to compare my group to perfectly normal people, there is such a huge difference. I wonder why they even wanted me to learn this stuff anyway?

Did I just have a vision or is it my imagination? I almost envisioned a place where some people are gathered or were gathered... maybe I watch too much TV.

pontificator
01-15-2012, 09:57 AM
@A99: I've retrieved a copy of the encounter description I had from the old forum for you:


I have a [ very confused ] reply much earlier in the thread with a lot of details ( best
list my posts for those interested ), but essentially yes. I woke up to find a grey
"looking" at me, while I was flat out, but I was really more puzzled until I realized it
was leaning over from behind me, and I was looking at it upside down [ I only saw it
from the top of where the nose would normally be and up ].
It went out of view [ the area around the eyes moved wider, so I'm not 100% sure if I
was supposed to wake up ] after about 1.7 seconds.
Anyway, I waited and did not move, mainly because I was super excited and making
sure that I was not going to go lashing out or anything ridiculous [ I really don't want
to hurt anything ].
Next thing I know a voice [ male ] sounds in my mind saying my name, now this
voice was truely awesome as it was totally clear.

A few moments later... I kept looking up waiting for orders, not knowing it was not the
grey that had spoken to me, and then it said "I am here" [ I believe that it expected
me to look in its direction immediately the first time it spoke ].

So, I look to my right expecting a grey of some description, and instead I'm super
puzzled when I see this glowing orange being that has these amazingly round eyes [
black ] looking in my direction [ it had had this odd notch in its brow ridge above the
eye area, I've debated since whether or not it could put its eyes on stalks... ].

Now, I get this overwhelming emotion of honour when looking at this being [ for the
record, until that point I have never experienced the emotion of honour, and am not
sure if other people feel it as well ], but underlying to that I'm still excited and think
that surely this is a projected emotion. Now, I don't know what I did but when I
thought that there was a minor jolt like static in my head, as though I had clashed
with it [ my suspicion was confirmed at this point ].

I reached out with my right hand, and gently held its arm, making sure not to hurt it...
felt much like the surface of an orange/Buddha's hand really.

Debating what question to ask, I dismiss asking its name as Its useless as far as I'm
concerned [ and it probably won't tell me anyway ], I finally settle on asking it "what
are you?".

Well... now I think on it, it might have been a rather rude question, but that certainly
made it look up. It replied in it's cool voice, but along with underlying meaning, "I am
the penultimate human form".
At that moment I started feeling intense kinship, and quickly asked another question
"and the Greys?".

It had a disappointed feeling in them, saying "They are biological/bio-mechanical
machines", and indicated through other feelings that they were limited to purpose.

After that point everything went weird, I assume it gained control of me at that point
and put me under. Had a flash of it standing in a corridor etc.

Now, after the first day I was going to bed and noticed some marks on my left thigh,
they were very strange. Triangular in pattern one had a small scab and a small hair
regrowing from it, while the other two were two holes of 2mm diameter and roughly
1.5 mm deep. Those two looked like a belly button in miniature really, as though
something had plunged in pulling the skin into a pit. These were completely gone
within 48 hours of the incident. I did not get a photo, and I believe I was compelled
not to.

So, my conclusion is that a lot was going on, but I am not aware of it because it was
buried.



@Fore, I think this might look a bit better now for the index:
1) Fundamental aspects of "The Influence" and its effects in the physical universe.
2) The physical universe as one dimensional aspect of "The Influence"
3) Systems used by Multi-Dimensional's to enter Physical space from "outside" the universe [Translation Gates]
4) The "Self->Spiritual Body- >Higher Mind->[Inter-connect] Filter->->Body/Lower Mind" System
5) Non-Physical entities in the above systems.
6) Physical entities in the above systems.
7) Trans-Dimenstional entities in the above systems.
8) Artificial Entities.
9) The concept of artificially created "Encounter" bodies, or “plug and play” bodies.
10) Psychic Powers and Higher Order Entities on classifying such abilities as "Magic" [defined here as the manipulation of reality through supernatural means, which the usage of the influence would be.]
11) Reclassification of some ET's as Technologically advanced Magicians?

Also, check post #17 if you accidently missed it, I am beginning the very basic overview from that point and expanding out. Need to write up next section, so I'll not be placing too many replies to people until I have that ready [apologies in advance.]

pontificator
01-15-2012, 11:57 AM
Following from post 17: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=4584&viewfull=1#post4584

“The Influence” has other interesting properties due to its extra-dimensional nature, namely time-independence, differing types of influence, and differing operative wavelengths. I am using radio wave speak here, mainly because it is the closest approximation; essentially the influence only affects other influence masses on the same wavelength.

If you have two different types of influence then they can occupy the same space without affecting each other. This is one of the main reasons that an entity residing in influence space can pass through physical objects and their influence space copies. In section 5 we will see how the same entity would use its own influence and create an “Interconnect Centre” compatible with the Influence layer copy of a real-world object; allowing it to manipulate the copy and produce real-world effects in physical reality.

With an awareness of how different influence types can operate in the same space, it should not be a great leap of understanding to see how a technologically advanced extra-dimensional entity could “phase” in and out of reality; thus allowing it to move through apparently physical objects, or use the same technology to move a person through the walls of a house and into a waiting ship. This will be discussed in more detail in sections 3, 6 and 7.

Artificial entities, discussed in section 8, are a subset technology utilized most often by Trans-Dimensional entities, but also operated by physical entities that have acquired the technology. We will cover their basic functionality and limitations, the artificial influence body at the influence layer, and the emulated consciousness loop that gives it a degree of awareness.

newyorklily
01-15-2012, 03:59 PM
Following from post 17: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=4584&viewfull=1#post4584

With an awareness of how different influence types can operate in the same space, it should not be a great leap of understanding to see how a technologically advanced extra-dimensional entity could “phase” in and out of reality; thus allowing it to move through apparently physical objects, or use the same technology to move a person through the walls of a house and into a waiting ship. This will be discussed in more detail in sections 3, 6 and 7.



1) When an entity "phases" out of reality (either their reality or ours), where does the entity go?

2) How does "influence" cause the entity and/or human bodies to pass through walls? Does the influence change the composition of the bodies or the walls?

3) Can "influence" surround and transport a spacecraft?

noot
01-15-2012, 04:03 PM
From a different thread but it may help your understanding.


Precognition and Time

Are you interested in the explanation of 'precognition?' The truth is that it doesn't exist in the manner that we generally consider. What the 'clairvoyant' is seeing is not the future but the present as it exists outside of time. To understand that one must realize that time, itself, is what I've termed 'a categorical imposition upon realty.' In plain terms- time does not exist in the most real world. It is brought to existence (imposed upon existence) by consciousness, not by the real stasis. In fact, that is what 'consciousness' actually is. It is the derivative principle of temporal order. Einstein had an interesting observation that he never thoroughly pursued- and that was that time prevents the actuality of everything happening at once. He was correct. In reality everything does, in fact, happen at once. Past, present and future are practical divisions of the universal stasis and not necessary actualities per se. What this means is that precognition is not a function of time but rather, in a very real sense, a function space. No-one is seeing the future because there is no future. What a clairvoyant is actually describing is an event or a series of events visited without the constraints of the categorical imposition temporal reality.

I think that Gary Schwartz and also Dean Radin have a rudimentary sense of the forgoing analysis.




So when I say the space-time is a categorical imposition upon creation what do I mean?

Only that the god resides in the permission and the obligation to order the universe. And that consciousness is the principle of negation... since it resists the reality that all actual occasions occur at once.

A99
01-15-2012, 08:49 PM
Thanks Pont for posting that info about your encounter!
Let me read this over and will comment on it tomorrow sometime!

Neuru
01-15-2012, 10:40 PM
1) When an entity "phases" out of reality (either their reality or ours), where does the entity go?

2) How does "influence" cause the entity and/or human bodies to pass through walls? Does the influence change the composition of the bodies or the walls?

3) Can "influence" surround and transport a spacecraft?

I'm interested in this as well.

Also, as a know-nothing newcomer I have a few, most probably stupid, questions.


First question


With an awareness of how different influence types can operate in the same space, it should not be a great leap of understanding to see how a technologically advanced extra-dimensional entity could “phase” in and out of reality; thus allowing it to move through apparently physical objects, or use the same technology to move a person through the walls of a house and into a waiting ship.

Since influence is in the "mirror universe", is it possible that quantum phase in the physical universe is the physical equivalent of influence type in the "mirror universe"?
The reason for asking that is that Tom (Montalk) hypothesized that ETs and alien bases and ships are made invisible by shifting their quantum phase:

As mentioned, aliens can lurk nearby while invisible. In physics terminology this happens when they have not yet fully rotated themselves into our dimension, their quantum wave functions have not fully collapsed into our reality, or their quantum phases are not fully locked into our own. In occult terminology, this happens when they manifest within the etheric plane without condensing fully into the physical. The etheric is a transitionary boundary layer between the physical and nonphysical, functioning as an invisible substratum to the physical world but containing energies, beings, and constructs that influence the physical at the quantum level. Think of it as the backstage to our reality, the area behind the curtain of our limited five-sense perception.

http://montalk.net/alien/146/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-2


(For "etheric layer" substitute "mirror universe", for "ether", substitute "influence".)


Second question

Based on how you (i.e. Fore and Pontificator) understand of the structure of Creation, how close to truth is the cosmology presented by the Ra Material (aka The Law of One) (http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx) (searchable here by topic (http://lawofone.info)) and the Cassiopaean Transcripts (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/sess_cass/cass.htm)? I'm asking because the Interaction.jpg you (Pontificator) posted, seems to have parallels with the Ra Material's density system. No idea how familiar you are with it but here (scroll to the bottom) (http://educate-yourself.org/cn/rulesofthegame08may03.shtml) is a basic and incomplete description of "densities". A "density" level is basically an evolutionary level / development level of consciousness. Using Forespeak they would roughly look like this:

the first three densities constitute physical consciousness, so one who does not have psychic powers is at most aware at a third density level (e.g. humans);
fourth density is when someone can use their psychic body and perceive and manipulate "influence";
fifth density is the "actual person's consciousness" which is "not embedded within reality", as the picture says, that is, it is outside space and time. I think Montalk and the channeling/mystical sources he endorses call this level of consciousness Spirit or Higher Self;
above this, I'm not sure. Sixth density is where "social memory complexes" reside. Maybe angels also exist at this level?

Third question

Based on what you (Pontificator and Fore) hinted at in previous posts, am I correct in my assumption that when complete, this document will provide a more or less complete explanation of Influence-related phenomena, including detailed instructions on how to develop the abilities required to perceive and manipulate influence for various purposes (i.e. remote viewing/perception, telepathy, telekinesis, etc.)? If so, even as a layman I would advise everyone involved here in disclosing this "forbidden" knowledge to expect and be aware of aggressive disruption attempts by ETs, time travelers and anyone who doesn't want this information to be made public, much less in an easy to digest form. From what I've seen these disruption attempts would include anything from damage to the forum's server(s), damage to users' computers, psychic attacks and, perhaps the most subtle way, using thought insemination (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57087428/montalk - Thought Insemination%2C etc.. and Galactic Diplomacy.htm) to artificially generate conflicts/quarreling between forum members. Based on what Fore has said, OMF may very well have been the victim of this.


Sorry if all the above was far from coherent and added more confusion than understanding. Also, I do not expect to receive answers to all these right away, only when (and if at all) they are relevant to the topics being discussed. Nevertheless I am following this thread with great interest.

(Btw I'm not a "Foreist" or "Montalkist" in case you might have though that.)

pontificator
01-16-2012, 05:24 AM
1) When an entity "phases" out of reality (either their reality or ours), where does the entity go?
Okay, lets define the usage of phase in this context. If I have two sounds and one person opening a door every other second, and every time the person opens the door they hear both sounds then they have heard two sounds. In essence the listener is in phase with the event. If one of those sounds then plays in every second that the door is shut, then the listener will only hear one sound. The sound is now out of phase with both the listener and the other sound playing.

It is still there, in the same place. So to answer you question, to change ones phase is essentially to go out of synch with the surrounding environment so that you are no-longer interacting with an aspect of it. Your technological advantage may reprogram the influence for just you so it no-longer interacts with light, sound and other objects. Alternative methods can also be used, depending on what is being done, and becomes a "how many ways can one travel underwater?" question.




2) How does "influence" cause the entity and/or human bodies to pass through walls? Does the influence change the composition of the bodies or the walls?

A good question, from observation and peoples descriptions of encounters there appear to be two principle methods used: In an abduction by a ship a beam of light [actually the influence affecting the surrounding matter] changes the phasing of the objects around the person retrieved. Now, you might wonder how one tells if the material around the abductee was changed instead of the abductee themselves... well from all accounts the abductee finds themselves unable to breathe, paralysed, and moving through objects. Objects which have that beam of light passing through them, and making them seem less than real. Observation also notes that entities have commented on the phasing of objects being a simpler process than attempting to phase an entire complex entity [which would make logical sense.] Also, there is the entire paralysis issue where the retrieved entity is being held in a locked position as it is moved, this would tend to lend weight to the idea that to move a person you need to perform some pretty interesting calculations that would have a hard time if the person were thrashing about.

Now that brings us to another point, if the person themselves were being phased out then there would be no problem if they were moving, as their position would be immaterial.


3) Can "influence" surround and transport a spacecraft?
From accounts it looks more like the craft is operating using modified materials that have artificial influence programming, so in essence the craft defies normal physics because it operates outside of them. You can have materials that look like lead but weigh less than paper, that can accelerate at phenomenal speeds because they have different laws of energy conservation and so on. So I'd say they don't need to use the influence to transport the craft, as they have simply programmed it up from scratch using altered matter. I'll talk about matter and how it has natural programming to define what it is later on, but know that it can be altered so that normally impossible things happen.

@Noot, thank you for that quote, it's exactly the sort of explanation that I'm after!

newyorklily
01-16-2012, 05:55 AM
Okay, lets define the usage of phase in this context. If I have two sounds and one person opening a door every other second, and every time the person opens the door they hear both sounds then they have heard two sounds. In essence the listener is in phase with the event. If one of those sounds then plays in every second that the door is shut, then the listener will only hear one sound. The sound is now out of phase with both the listener and the other sound playing.

It is still there, in the same place. So to answer you question, to change ones phase is essentially to go out of synch with the surrounding environment so that you are no-longer interacting with an aspect of it. Your technological advantage may reprogram the influence for just you so it no-longer interacts with light, sound and other objects. Alternative methods can also be used, depending on what is being done, and becomes a "how many ways can one travel underwater?" question.





This makes me think of some forms of camoflage. A plane that is painted with a special paint that lets light bend around it rendering the plane, invisible. The plane is still there, it just has the illusion of disappearing. Is that an accurate analogy?

pontificator
01-16-2012, 07:27 AM
This makes me think of some forms of camoflage. A plane that is painted with a special paint that lets light bend around it rendering the plane, invisible. The plane is still there, it just has the illusion of disappearing. Is that an accurate analogy?
That would be a physical world analogy, and is partially there but the physical state of the aircraft does not change at any stage. In the phasing presented here you could take the same craft and make it not interact with physical matter, photons etc.

atmjjc
01-16-2012, 09:10 AM
Forgive my ignorance here I am trying to understand what you are formulating. I wasn’t paying that close of attention until you started using the word “phasing”. When you use the word phasing do you mean a vibratory effect between two objects where they phase with the same vibratory frequency?



In the phasing presented here you could take the same craft and make it not interact with physical matter, photons etc.


I am somewhat confused here, if not matter than what is being phased?

pontificator
01-16-2012, 11:06 AM
Forgive my ignorance here I am trying to understand what you are formulating. I wasn’t paying that close of attention until you started using the word “phasing”. When you use the word phasing do you mean a vibratory effect between two objects where they phase with the same vibratory frequency?





I am somewhat confused here, if not matter than what is being phased?

I'm not too surprised; it's getting a bit ahead here, NewYorkLily and I are currently discussing a topic I've yet to put the full material up for. Like building blocks you seldom get a tower if you start half-way up ;) There used to be a lot of this in the old forum, but essentially I am making the consolidated version of what I started learning about in 2008, and which Fore has been doing for a longer period of time + combining it with further material as a way of explaining what people talk about in the field.

Now, the term phased is being used for simplicity, but in reality what we are really talking about is altering the fundamental reality of the matter concerned so that it no-longer works the same way in the physical universe; it's magic ;) Things appear and disappear, allow light and matter in but also interact with the environment at will etc. I'll be getting into this in section one [I think I've done enough of the overview, I'll get into the nuts and bolts.]

Fore
01-16-2012, 11:25 AM
@ Pontif

I probably won't be available on the forum until the 17th. I have to go get a minor surgery, so I will be hopped up on medication until then.

I should also state that there appears to be confusion around what Phasing actually is. There is also an apparent confusion on what the Influence actually is. Montalk came pretty close but the ideas are slightly different from what I was shown. The slight differences makes a huge difference in how you model these different concepts together.

Quantum fluctuations have something [indirectly and directly] with the influence [and the manifestation of the paranormal/supernatural/psychic]. The actual story is kinda complicated but very easy to understand if you explain it in very easy to understand terms.

I will see if I can type up anything in the morning to clear up my model before I go in.

P.S. I was contacted twice both last night and today at about 11am by two different ET. So at least two ET strangers are aware of what the ET referred to as "my commentary" on "the/those devices". It didn't speak or use English the right way. I guess it didn't have much practice. It was all very passive though, no threats yet. I did not talk back, I only listened on both occasions.

pontificator
01-16-2012, 11:31 AM
@ Pontif

I probably won't be available on the forum until the 17th. I have to go get a minor surgery, so I will be hopped up on medication until then.

I should also state that there appears to be confusion around what Phasing actually. There is also an apparent confusion on what the Influence actually is. Montalk came pretty close but the ideas are slightly different from what I was shown. The slight differences makes a huge difference in how you model these different concepts together.

Quantum fluctuations have something [indirectly and directly] with the influence. The actual story is kinda complicated but very easy to understand if you explain it in very easy to understand terms.

I will see if I can type up anything in the morning to clear up my model before I go in.

It'd be good if you do, I'm currently writing up the LEGO guide to influence and clarifying a few errors before I put it up would be useful. I've decided to go with an example pocket universe for section 1 and build it up from scratch showing how it works. I'm finding it pretty easy to follow, so I suspect it'll clear up a lot of issues (Just so you know, the person currently reading, a lot of people are asking questions that are well ahead of where we currently are. If you are just learning right now then don't be frightened off by the advanced question and answer session. Think of it as a primer for the later sections.)

newyorklily
01-16-2012, 11:42 AM
@ Pontif

I probably won't be available on the forum until the 17th. I have to go get a minor surgery, so I will be hopped up on medication until then.

I should also state that there appears to be confusion around what Phasing actually is. There is also an apparent confusion on what the Influence actually is. Montalk came pretty close but the ideas are slightly different from what I was shown. The slight differences makes a huge difference in how you model these different concepts together.

Quantum fluctuations have something [indirectly and directly] with the influence [and the manifestation of the paranormal/supernatural/psychic]. The actual story is kinda complicated but very easy to understand if you explain it in very easy to understand terms.

I will see if I can type up anything in the morning to clear up my model before I go in.

P.S. I was contacted twice both last night and today at about 11am by two different ET. So at least two ET strangers are aware of what the ET referred to as "my commentary" on "the/those devices". It didn't speak or use English the right way. I guess it didn't have much practice. It was all very passive though, no threats yet. I did not talk back, I only listened on both occasions.

Fore, how could you have been contacted at 11am today when it is only now 5:42am in NYC? Where are you?

Good luck with the surgery.

Fore
01-16-2012, 11:48 AM
Hint:

"Phasing" is basically isolating an object within from interacting with the rest of the universe to a certain extent. (depending on configuration and settings).

I was told it had nothing to do with psychic abilities, purely a technology.

The object that is phased is still an object in the universe, but the various ongoing effects of the rest of the universe on this object become greatly diminished.

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A craft the size of a city block can be phased in specific ways so that the tidal forces of gravity acting on the object (like the planet for example...) become nearly nullified. The object in specific "phased" configurations may exhibit fractions of 1 G (G= Gravity).

The object (in certain configurations) can remain optically visible, but partially isolated from the exterior environment.

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An ET (a biological person) with a personal Phasing field, can alter the constants of the rest of the universe acting upon it. So they appear to be weightless or near weightless even when they are standing in your living room. No anti-gravity required.

Think of phasing as more of an isolation field, it can be arranged in most shapes.

The Phasing field can also be changed to do specific kinds of...I think the proper word is "refraction" of light. A field that is configured a specific way can allow incoming light to ~bend~ (more like tossed) around it like an extremely diffused redirection of light. The observer on the ground whom has his or her eyeballs on the object and can only see a specific range of spectrum....they will not really see anything in the sky. (But technically, if they fire a bullet at it, it will bounce...assuming the other protective field aren't in place....otherwise it will never touch the actual surface of the craft.

But if they point a device that can see a part of the spectrum that the field is not scattering around actively, they will witness a craft through that.

If they also look at the object through specific optics, the ET's alleged that at this level of occlusion the object will somewhat be visible to the naked eye.

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I will type more later, it is very late.

Fore
01-16-2012, 11:49 AM
Fore, how could you have been contacted at 11am today when it is only now 5:42am in NYC? Where are you?

Good luck with the surgery.I am talking about the 15th's (11am) and the 14th's nighttime.

pontificator
01-16-2012, 12:09 PM
Ahhh, that phasing, I was thinking of something else at the time [influence interaction and programming.] *thinks* Actually, that must be way back in the original threads [I have copies of the old ones, but they take an age to go through, even with word and pdf search facilities.]

I'm currently writing about objects and their mirror copies, thought it'd be the best place to start in the influence section, nice and simple [Lots of cool relevant things that apply to just about everything else.]

atmjjc
01-16-2012, 12:46 PM
Pont

I know the frustrations of trying to put certain meanings into written language but when you refer to mirror copies what are you referring to and what meaning are you trying to convey?

newyorklily
01-16-2012, 12:50 PM
@ Pontif

I probably won't be available on the forum until the 17th. I have to go get a minor surgery, so I will be hopped up on medication until then.

I should also state that there appears to be confusion around what Phasing actually is. There is also an apparent confusion on what the Influence actually is. Montalk came pretty close but the ideas are slightly different from what I was shown. The slight differences makes a huge difference in how you model these different concepts together.

Quantum fluctuations have something [indirectly and directly] with the influence [and the manifestation of the paranormal/supernatural/psychic]. The actual story is kinda complicated but very easy to understand if you explain it in very easy to understand terms.

I will see if I can type up anything in the morning to clear up my model before I go in.

P.S. I was contacted twice both last night and today at about 11am by two different ET. So at least two ET strangers are aware of what the ET referred to as "my commentary" on "the/those devices". It didn't speak or use English the right way. I guess it didn't have much practice. It was all very passive though, no threats yet. I did not talk back, I only listened on both occasions.

OK, fore, you will not be on the forum until tomorrow because you are going into surgery today.
You will try to type something up in the morning (which is now) to clear things up before you go in. (What time is surgery? In NYC, it's usually around 8:00am)
You were contacted two nights ago (the 14th) and yesterday morning (the 15th).

This post looks like it was written yesterday. So, if it was written on Sunday, why was it and who is posting it now?

Fore
01-16-2012, 04:15 PM
@ Lily/Pontif

Another useful feature of phasing technology and it's isolation zone is that it can also do what the ET more-or-less call (paraphrased) "rate distortion".

Rate distortion inside an active phasing field means that...in effect a sort of ~time dilation~ can be configured to occur. Keep in mind this is a _feature_, not a required effect within a phasing field.

Rate distortion is a fairly sensitive subject, as sensitive as phasing occlusion and diffusion techniques. (Optical invisibility)

Rate distortion is where the laws of physics are affected in a certain phasing configuration where a person or object such as a craft can experience 1 minutes on the inside and beyond the fields confines the exterior universe has passed an entire day.

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I have witnessed of the Advisor when she has communicated from within such a field. She appeared to move at an extremely accelerated rate of speed. And her observations were always out of synch with real [actual] time.

Keep in mind there are 1440 minutes in one day. So the "rate-distortion" my group used for a brief time was about 1440x to 1.

For each minute that passed in my time, only 0.041 seconds passed for them. In other words a few hundredths of a second.

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When my group of ETs said they had re-established time-synchronization....the advisor was able to tell me the exact hour minute and second that was passing in linear time. She came in handy as a living human watch. LOL. (and a living talking alarm clock that would wake you at any time you asked her to.)

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Anyway, that may be why there are numerous accounts of people seeing aliens moving about effortlessly and seemingly as if they were in "fast forward". A probable combination of the cancellation of gravity and rate-distortion while using a "phasing field".

I should also mention that the ETs taught me that they can allow light to come through the phasing field but not go back out. They said as a result they can cast a shadow on the floor or appear to be a non-reflective (black) 3 dimensional surface in a humanoid shape.

Next, is one very sensitive (but not secret) topic that is still covered by the utility of "phasing field" technology. How Trans-Dimensional ETs use phasing fields....

tomi01uk
01-16-2012, 06:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81BjS3k_FZ8

noot
01-16-2012, 07:47 PM
All anyone has ever asked of Fore is evidence. None has ever been forthcoming..

MOD WARNING: Use the correct name!

tomi01uk
01-16-2012, 08:39 PM
As Rushdie and others have, some things need to be said. And when they are .. inner conflicts may give rise to outer conflicts. But just imagine what life would be like if left unsaid or unchecked by reasonable men or even by satire or song.

murmur
01-16-2012, 09:26 PM
See you back at the woodshed uncle toon

pontificator
01-17-2012, 12:49 AM
Pont

I know the frustrations of trying to put certain meanings into written language but when you refer to mirror copies what are you referring to and what meaning are you trying to convey?
In this context a mirror copy is essentially a physical objects presence in influence space. Much the same as a single object has a presence in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd dimensions.

pontificator
01-17-2012, 12:57 AM
Now we have a rough overview of the topics we will be covering let’s have a look at the influence properly, we will begin by using an object and describing it thoroughly. Everything stems from this, because if you don’t understand how to affect something simple then you will most likely cause damage when working with something complex. Each post will describe this scenario with a further expansion of the effects within it, and I will start with only the very basics [deliberately ignoring some things until we need to know them, much like a school textbook]

This is a simplified model, and very easy to understand and build upon:

Let’s say we have a pocket universe, it is the same as this one but with several fundamental differences:
1) There currently exists only one type of patterned Influence
2) There is only one object that exists physically, with only its mirror image in influence space.
3) In its influence space the background “static” of un-patterned influence is currently doing nothing
4) Time is currently paused.

Okay, now you know you have an object and a special pocket universe that we can add real-world parameters into one at a time. Remember that this is a building blocks model; it is very simple, and yet can be made into something very complex.

In the physical universe the object exists, it is, but it has nothing defined beyond the fact it exists. There is no depth, height, width and so on because in influence space the object does not have that information.
Let us add another object, starting by giving it the parameters “Exists, depth”. Into the physical universe pops another object that exists and has depth. This object is different from the other object because of the new influence pattern made of two parameters. The two objects are different types, they have different influence signatures, and they can be recognized by these signatures.

Let’s say I made 5 of each object, as a young psychic playing with my pocket universe I can tell the difference between the types of object by their signature. That is I can tell the difference between them, but there is something lacking… uniqueness, each object is a perfect mirror copy of the next, and the system is not complex enough for me to tell which object is which; short of looking at where it may be in the physical universe.
Please note that in the real influence universe you can identify materials by their signature, and recognise one object from another because they have a unique construction. It is this very same signature model that allows a person to psychically connect to another person, much like dialling a number in the phone book.

Now, let’s reduce the system back down to one object and give it width, height, depth, and then have it in the shape of a cube. Our cube is now floating in the pocket universe, doing nothing because we are not using time in the system yet [in reality our cube would be many replicated atoms, but we’ll ignore that for now, think of the cube as a big square atom].

Now, think of those parameters I have given the object, and how many are missing. For example, we have no mass, temperature, reflectivity index, shear strength, atomic bonding strength and so on. In the real universe every piece of matter you see has physical properties, which exist in the influence mirror image as a highly complex set of defined parameters. Those parameters can be changed, allowing an object to acquire physical properties that may be completely different from what they should be.

So, let’s go a step further, in the pocket universe I now make a ball of lead that is 1 Newton of mass, and I also make a ball of Lithium that is 1 Newton of Mass. The ball of lead looks much smaller than the ball of lithium, because lead has a higher density per atom than lithium atoms do. The two metals also have different properties, a unique signature that says “This is Lead” and “This is Lithium”. Now, let’s do something interesting, and swap the parameters for each and every atom in the two objects [A psychic would memorize the exact influence pattern for a lead and lithium atom, or use an example piece to compare against depending on their ability.] Suddenly, in the pocket universe, our ball of lead undergoes a transformation into a ball of Lithium, and the ball of Lithium transforms into a ball of lead. The new ball of lead now has a much greater mass, and the ball of lithium now has a much lesser mass [keep this in mind if you decide that you suddenly want a gold toilet, in all likelihood the heavy toilet will rip its way through the floor of your house due to the immense weight].

Now for something a bit more advanced, let’s say I have a nice pen, but it is made out of stainless steel. I want a gold pen, but I don’t want the soft gold to be damaged when I write. I decide that I will memorize the strength parameters, mass and temperature tolerance of stainless-steel. So, I change the pen into gold, and then swap out the relevant parameters for those of stainless steel. My gold pen is now a magic pen, looks like gold, and for intents and purposes is gold… except it has the properties of stainless steel [In reality if you attempted this you would most likely notice that over time the unnatural parameters of the pen would actually decay. This means your pen would gain and lose properties, and may even become quite dangerous if bluntness suddenly became sharpness. POINT: Decay is not logical.]

Note that other parameters are programmed into the influence mirror object, like the probability of something happening when certain effects occur. You’ll find crystallization, pooling effects, sublimation and other factors are governed by it. We’ll not cover this here as it is a very advanced topic, but know that this can be affected to allow interesting things to happen; you could have a bar of metal that, when heated to melting point, follows a distorted probability set that means it essentially forms a specific shape before cooling. It is highly unlikely that any one individual will ever learn all available parameters, and the laws which govern their stability when used in combination.

[To be continued]

newyorklily
01-17-2012, 02:05 AM
This sounds like alchemy. Could the alchemists centuries ago have used this method to change matter?

Fore
01-17-2012, 07:45 PM
This sounds like alchemy. Could the alchemists centuries ago have used this method to change matter?It probably can.

But this is something that has apparently been known around the world for many millennia.

In most cases, the people whom figure it out, try to hide it from everyone knowing what it is and how it works.

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My view is that the "philosophers stone" is likely an artificial "influence" manipulation device, that artificially does what is depicted in Pontifs writing.

Just take a look:

Courtesy of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone

The "overtones" of the actual devices capabilities and what it does, how it does it, is still there as "myth". Those whom witnessed the device in action were around ET beings or were "Spiritually Transformed" when using the intended applications of the artificial device. (A device designed to change the influence copy of any object)


The philosopher's stone (Latin: lapis philosophorum) is a legendary alchemical substance said to be capable of turning base metals (lead, for example) into gold (chrysopoeia) or silver. It was also sometimes believed to be an elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and possibly for achieving immortality. For many centuries, it was the most sought-after goal in Western alchemy. The philosopher's stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection at its finest, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss. Efforts to discover the philosopher's stone were known as the Magnum Opus.[1]

"[...]is a legendary alchemical substance said to be capable of turning base metals (lead, for example) into gold (chrysopoeia) or silver."

"[...]It was also sometimes believed to be an elixir of life, useful for rejuvenation and possibly for achieving immortality"

"[...]The philosopher's stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection at its finest, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss."

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In other words, translating the arcane babble...

What the artificial device actually does is change the influence copy of a physical object, depending on the directives of the person handling the device. The device itself [in some global cultures] is depicted as "glowing" with a halo or mist of light around it.

The people whom grab and touch it, are affected themselves as their psychic profile changes. They "receive enlightenment". Their concepts and understanding are primitive but somewhat insightful.

The reason why people call it the elixir of life is because their bodies feel much better when their natural influence in their bodies is converted to a much different form. It is the same side effect that some psychics notice when they "activate" their abilities.

They feel much better overall, their minds become sharper and more extended, their health jumps in quality...etc.

Courtesy of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone#In_Buddhism_and_Hinduism


In Buddhism and Hinduism
Main article: Cintamani

The equivalent of the philosopher's stone in Buddhism and Hinduism is the Cintamani.[10]

In Buddhism, Cintamani is held by the bodhisattvas, Avalokiteshvara and Ksitigarbha. It is also seen carried upon the back of the Lung ta (wind horse) which is depicted on Tibetan prayer flags. By reciting the Dharani of Cintamani, Buddhist tradition maintains that one attains the Wisdom of Buddha, able to understand the truth of the Buddha, and turn afflictions into Bodhi. It is said to allow one to see the Holy Retinue of Amitabha and assembly upon one's deathbed. In Tibetan Buddhist tradition the Chintamani is sometimes depicted as a luminous pearl and is in the possession of several of different forms of the Buddha.[11]

Within Hinduism it is connected with the gods, Vishnu and Ganesha. In Hindu tradition it is often depicted as a fabulous jewel in the possession of the Nāga king or as on the forehead of the Makara.[citation needed] The Yoga Vasistha, originally written in the 10th century AD, contains a story about the philosopher's stone.[12]

A great Hindu sage wrote about the spiritual accomplishment of Gnosis using the metaphor of the philosopher's stone. Saint Jnaneshwar (1275–1296), wrote a commentary with 17 references to the philosopher's stone that explicitly transmutes base metal into gold. The seventh century Indian sage Thirumoolar in his classic Tirumandhiram explains man's path to immortal divinity. In verse 2709 he declares that the name of God, Shiva or the god Shambala, is an alchemical vehicle that turns the body into immortal gold.

Turns body into gold - olden speak for gives them "supernatural" powers and "insights".

Gives immortality - Changes their body using influence manipulation <-- Read, common mis-representation of what it actually does and are ideas still being spread far and wide by ET propaganda even to this day...

These depictions are of various kinds of advanced devices that work on physical principles not yet familiar within the ranks of modern day science. These devices, when worn as adornments by the ET and or their Contacted Kings/wise men, etc...can give people seemingly "supernatural" abilities and control over a standard physical environment.

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As you might imagine, this is connected to a sort of primitive technology exchange. The ET basically may approach a primitive culture like ours in the past and say,

"I will rule over you, in exchange I will give you fur coats and pelts (or in this case, "Influence Manipulation Devices"), knowledge of farming and trade and in return you'll accept my settlement on this world.

Good deal?

@ Anyone reading

If you run back through the myriad of mystical traditions and history that you have read to this very day. You will probably see why even some obscure concept or knowledge like this is something some ETs don't want people to see it in that light.

Only certain people in some projects are allowed to know that. The general public is not supposed to know about it in this context.

...It gives a bad impression to the locals. :biggrin2::das:angel_not:

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The more pieces we put together the bigger the decoding of events becomes...one hopes

Fore
01-17-2012, 08:31 PM
By the way, Pontif, you should read the following piece.

As you'll no doubt smile/grin at these descriptive writings on this web page as you go reading through this particular section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher%27s_stone#Properties

I hope you smiled as much as I did, LOL. Consider this very "soft" evidence that some non-humans have put this techniques into a technological format.

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These techniques can be used to make and pattern,

Artificial devices, artificial (sentient) intelligences, all based on this one discovery. And there is still so much more...volumes worth. It was this discovery (among others) that possibly lead to the creation of "Encounter suits" made of living domestic flesh for the use of non-local ET whom needed to explore areas they could not touch or visit in person due to how their original bodies were made.

The most recent Hollywood spun depiction of this ET technology is found in the movie "Avatar".

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499549/

A human whom explores a distant world with his artificial body ("Encounter Suit") created out of the natives genetics and design, his mind is linked to this artificial body where he then contacts and engages the natives.

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Nothing at all, I falsely assure you, like some of our Nordic ET friends whom appear to be remarkably human-oid on the outside and yet act with various levels of familiarity within their own human-like skin. That incredibly pale skin and colorless hair that probably has never seen the light of the sun. (:biggrin2::das:angel_not:)

("Encounter Suits" made of flesh)

pontificator
01-18-2012, 11:11 AM
Okay, now we’ve taken a simplified look at an object, I suggest we have a look at that un-patterned influence in the pocket universe. For all intents and purposes we could consider it a gas, or a liquid, independent of time. In reality this is not the case, but due to the limitations of the human body and its perceptive range you can think of it like this for now. The extremely simplified examples that follow are intended to get the concepts across to the reader, I will be greatly expanding upon them as we go.

If influence is given a pattern then it is affected by other masses of influence with the same pattern. In some cases the patterns of two masses of influence, although different, may be similar enough for them to affect each other to a limited extent. [An advanced psychic will notice that they can interact with some people better than others, or not at all. This is due to the degree of compatibility of their influence with another person’s influence, just in case you were wondering what this is relevant to.]

Now, typically an object will not generate influence, and as such our wandering cube will not do so in its current state. In the actual influence universe many beings and living creatures generate influence; either by conversion of that existing in influence space, or by introducing it from outside influence space {Covered in section 3}; please note that there are also situations in which beings can no-longer generate influence.
Let’s take a look at our model, and introduce a small mass of influence called “Yellow”, another called “Blue”, and another called “Red”. None of the masses are able to interact with one another, as they have no commonality amongst each other. We’ll add rules, Blue decays into “Yellow”, “Red” can interact with “Yellow”, “Yellow” decays into un-patterned influence [think of the un-patterned as though it were neutral]. “Red” can also observe anything in the Influence universe [for simplicity].

None of these influence types are currently associated with objects, so let’s keep it approximately in line with what you would find in the real physical and influence universe. I will exclude a layer of complexity for the moment, but “Red” will now be directed by an intelligence, “Blue” by another intelligence, and “Yellow” is simply a by-product of “Blue” existing. Don’t worry about the how yet, just know that the intelligences are able to interact with the different influence masses.

We will add another object which will be a cone, and “Blue” influence appears in the middle of the cone’s mirror copy in the influence universe. As the cone also exists as a physical object in the pocket universe the entity controlling “Blue” can now push the cube around via the physical cone. “Red” is controlled by an entity that cannot affect either the cube or the cone, unless it starts manipulating “Yellow”, we will place an “influence body” which will be in the shape of a ball for “Red” to be generated in. The ball does not exist in the physical universe, but the entity controlling it wants to play with the cube as well.

“Red” discovers a few interesting things about its environment: “Yellow” can be changed to “Blue” if it makes the effort to do so, and the directed commands it puts into the “Yellow” will appear in the “Blue” version once it is changed. “Red” makes its move, and begins gather “Yellow” before it decays into un-patterned influence. After a while it has a lot of “Yellow”, which will make more “Blue” than the “Blue” entity can generate for a given moment.
“Blue” is resting the cone by the flat side on the cube, contemplating something. “Red” has been examining what “Blue” does to control the cone [its body] effectively, and programs the “Yellow” with a set of commands that would flick the cone the other way up and move into the cube. “Red” moves into position within the cone, and converts all of its “Yellow” into “Blue” suddenly.

“Blue” suddenly finds its cone body turning the other way up, and moving the pointed end toward the cube. “Blue” is unable to override what its body is doing because it cannot produce enough new “Blue” in time, and the cone hits into the cube. “Blue” is seriously puzzled, and does not know why its body suddenly did that, because it does not know that “Red” or “Yellow” exist. In a limited sense “Blue” suddenly found itself possessed for a brief moment.

So, what have we learned so far? Influence can have differing levels of interaction, and for one influence type to affect another type of influence there must be a degree of compatibility. Entities produce, or use, influence that is compatible with them. They give their influence commands to perform actions in the influence universe, which may be translated into actions in the physical universe if they are directing a body. Entities without a physical body can observe an entity in the influence universe, and the influence object’s mirror copy, if it is capable of doing so [not everything is in reality, so you can get the interesting situation where an entity has partial observation of only some influence presences.] Additionally entities can alter some types of influence so that they can gain limited control over another entity’s physical body.

With that out of the way let’s look at something else “Red” has discovered [this is greatly simplified]. When “Blue” is thinking the surrounding influence cloud around itself reflects its thoughts before decaying into “Yellow”. “Red” decides it wants to have a conversation with “Blue”, and examines the way “Blue” influence stores thought. “Red” gathers some yellow, and adds the thoughts with a slightly different voice to allow “Blue” to know something else is talking to it [it could choose to keep it the same, and make “Blue” think that the thoughts were its own.] “Red” moves next to “Blue” and rapidly converts the newly programmed “Yellow” into “Blue” while injecting the Cone with it [in reality the entity would be interacting with the other entities interconnect, and usually not the body directly]. Suddenly “Blue” “hears” another voice talking to it, and every thought “Blue” has can be responded to by this voice after some “Blue” influence decays into “Yellow”. “Red” talks nicely, and they all live happily ever after [in this system.]

In reality a bodiless entity is usually not good news, especially one that takes control of your body and puts thoughts in your head that you think are your own. You must keep this in mind, as no entity with nefarious intent is going to say “I am evil”, “I have nefarious intent” or “By helping that child, which seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, you have given me a vessel that I can control in the future.” However, this is the precise intent of the material here, to recognise what is going on where possible. A suitably trained psychic can do what a bodiless entity can do, but with limits imposed by their “influence body”, and this includes reading intent and the surrounding thoughts of an entity [if that entity does not know how to cover this up.]

Now for another concept, one day “Red” discovers that it talks to the ball body via a link from where it’s real consciousness resides. The link attaches to the ball on a specific point, and that point takes the commands from its consciousness and translates them into commands that will direct the ball. Red looks at “Blue”, and discovers that the cone is directed by the same system. However, the points only take one type of influence, “Red” for the ball, and “Blue” for the cone.

“Red” is frustrated that it will not be able to go body-swapping in a hurry, and thinks about how the cube works. After an undetermined time “Red” has made a copy of the point on the ball, and is checking what it produces at the other end to affect its ball influence body. “Red” examines the cube carefully, checking to see how the influence of the cube could be directed, and then carefully makes changes to the copied point. It attaches its new control point to the cube, and then directs “Red” influence at it to see if it can now control the cube. In our highly simplified system “Red” suddenly gains control of the cube, and begins playing with “Blue” in this system, making adjustments to control over time.

In reality a psychic, and other entities, can learn to perform a similar action. More often than not the copied point is actually changing the influence parameters, or probabilities, of the object, rather than truly controlling it like a body. So, to a lift an object upward the object is flooded with influence translated by the point, and the object is changed so that it is weightless and has anti-gravity properties to make it move to a set area. An object can be made to act like an extension of the body, but we’ll need to cover several more chapters before we hit the various issues you would face.

@Fore, yes :) I get your point. Did you ever wonder if a division of the ETs were actually a division of highly advanced Magicians of old?

tl2
01-18-2012, 11:16 AM
I can even explain why some of my trained abilities work.

Oh... in my case it is different. I will not only be explaining my own trained abilities, but I will be doing demonstrations of them too. :)

Hi a99. What kind of demonstrations? Are you able to give readings? What did you have in mind?

A99
01-19-2012, 02:10 AM
Interference Patterns (The Influence)
Throughout the ages, philosophers and metaphysicians have said that there is a connection that exists between sound and form -- and that once we become aware of this, we then have a much greater understanding of creation.

And there’s no better place to find this than in the Bible in John 1:1...
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God; all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men.”

Another term for the Word, is the Logos.

Ostensibly, there are many other religious traditions that believe that tones derived from the “Music of the Sphere’s” are the source of creation only each have their own way of expressing that. In the Sanskrit tradition, for example, the sound vibration of “Om” is said to be the seed from which all creation came forth.

Rudolph Steiner talked about the simultaneous ‘everywhere’ ubiquitous tone or sound-ether that via the Word-cosmic speech “works within substances in an organized principle“ #1

INTERFERENCE PATTERNS
The notion that there is a relationship between sound and form is elegantly demonstrated in the study of Cymatics* where the sound vibrations will produce different patterns of sand on a Chladni glass plate. The higher the frequencies, the more complex the patterns are.

And as I recall, Tibetan Buddhists have been known to model their Mandela’s from similar type experiments that go as far back as the eighth century.

Dr. Hans Jenny, who is one of the pioneers in the field of Cymatics said that vibrations resulted in what he called “interference patterns” which would cause the chaotic dispersion of the sand on the plate to find order in response to those vibrations. He also discovered that these “interference patterns” are predictable because different tones/vibrations always produce the same kind of pattern.

So when we take this a step further and view the world around us, it becomes apparent that the energy of matter is held in place by unseen pre-defined “interference patterns” that are a response to subtle forces.
Where we can also surmise that as the vibrations slow down and continue to do so, they crystallize into those forms and structures that we see in our three dimensional world.

The writings of physicist Fred Allen Wolf echoed these same sentiments when he said that the universe is constructed by those “interference patterns” that exists between mind/consciousness and those frequencies located on the physical spectrum.#2

The following two sub-titles are included in this post in order to establish some of the concepts and terminology I will be using when I go back to the main topic. I’m trying to avoid flooding this essay with too much extraneous background information but some concepts do need to be extrapolated more on for better clarity and comprehension in the material I will be posting later. Most likely I will be adding a few more sub-titles too.

MORPHIC FIELDS AND MORPHIC RESONANCE
In fact Rupert Sheldrake’s “morphic fields”# are also “interference patterns” in, as quantum physicist Bohm terms them, the “implicate order” and the “explicate order” presented in his model of the universe which is a holographic one.

The “explicate order” being comprised of everything in our local physical environment and the “implicate order” being understood as an all encompassing ‘consciousness’.

Sheldrake, referred to that all encompassing “consciousness” as the akashic records which are comprised of morphic fields and units from which the “explicate order”, draws from through a feedback mechanism that he calls “Morphic Resonance”.

Sheldrake’s “morphic field’s”, at least in this context, possess memory bank built up by humanity throughout all time, and are projections of intentions, thoughts and deeds that manifest dominant patterns where some of them are said to be archetypal too. The more universal and dominant those patterns are, the more powerfully they can manifest in various ways into our explicate order.

For example, the BVM apparitions are a case in point. This Christian icon has been worshipped for the past couple of thousand years and has an enormously powerful morphogenetic field where we can speculate that anyone whose stochastic resonant vibration is on level with her’s, can entrian into her field to get new illuminations. Because of the strength of that field, a field that has been fortified by those thoughts and prayers of millions and millions of Christians throughout the ages, this may explain why there have been so many Marian apparitions and communications from her.


BELL’S THEOREM
One good reason why we know that trans-communication with extra-dimensionals is possible is because Bell’s Theorem#4 has proven that superluminal quantum connectiveness has provided us with a feasible explanation about various kinds of psychic phenomena. Bell concluded that something non-local, that is unknown to science, is the “causal mechanism” that allows for seemingly inexplicable paranormal events to take place. That it is possible for some people to communicate to or get information from someone else through telepathic means who is simultaneously hundreds of miles away; and this implies that we can do that across dimensions too.

#1 Leviton, Richard, The Imagination of Pentecost: Rudolph Steiner and Contemporary Spirituality, (Hudson N.Y., Anthroposophic Press), p. 339
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cymatics
#2 Fred Allen Wolf, Star Wave: Mind, Consciousness and Quantum Physics (New York: MacMillian, 1984)
#3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake
#4Zukav, Gary, The Dancing Wu Li Masters: An Overview of the New Physics, (NY, William Morrow & Company, 1980), p.296-99

A99
01-19-2012, 02:21 AM
My last post is referring to the information below...

Fundamentals to keep in mind:

“The Influence”: a descriptive and objective term that defines a certain set of expected behaviours for a given situation in which “The Influence” is utilized or manipulated. Substitute “The Influence” for “gravity” and you should understand more clearly the way in which I will use the term.

However, “The Influence” is not gravity, but gravity could be affected by “The influence” under the right circumstances. “The Influence” can also be referred to as “Influence” when directed by an entity to perform an action. As no suitable English word really exists to cover this we will need to cope with this for now.

Most people accept that the universe is multi-dimensional, and that some dimensions cannot be seen, but can be inferred through observation. The Double Slit experiment is one such observable effect, as is the flow of time around oneself [length, width, depth and time being aspects of reality that are readily accepted.]

Influence space, as it were, exists as a layer over these dimensions and more. There are dimensional aspects beyond Influence space and so on, until the edge of the universe is reached, and breached by the osmotic membranes between different physical universes [we will call this osmotic effect a translation gate, as it effectively converts from one universal set of reality to another; this will be discussed in section 3]. Not everyone supports the idea of multiple universes, but I note it has become quite popular amongst physicists over time.

Matter is expected to exhibit certain behaviours, and follow certain rules. It is at the influence layer that these rules are defined and regulated, where one might consider an “Influence Model” twin of the matter concerned to exist. Non-physically represented behaviours of the universe are also modelled and regulated at this layer, and can actually exist independently of the material layer. That is, until those non-physical properties interact with “Influence Models” that have a physically apparent twin.

Moving ahead to take a non-physical entity from section 5 we could place it in this Influence space. Its apparent existence would be non-observable, or even inferable, until it manipulated an “Influence Model” with a physical presence in 3 dimensional space. Because it could observe a scientist [which would have lot more going on than just an influence model at this layer] attempting to recreate the effect would only be possible if the entity intentionally repeated the effect.

Think upon that for a moment, and then think about how many times you have seen a wild rat run past you, and then how many times it repeated the action when you wanted it to. Hopefully you will now realize that if you could not recreate the effect of a wild animal running past you, then there is a very low probability of the scientist being able to replicate his experiment with an independent entity in influence space [which may even be the equivalent of a rat.]

Looking to section 4 in influence space we see complex structures that exist around certain types of physical manifestation, be it artificial or natural [in both the physical and influence sense for both instances]. A small animal will have its influence model of its physical matter, and then another structure that builds atop of this to give it the properties of an organic body. Further highly programmed structures act as interconnect points, referred to as “interconnect centres”, which have an actual set of interconnecting conduits, referred to simply as the “interconnect”, as it were, between control of the body and the consciousness guiding it.

In sections 6 and 8 I will cover prior experiments and observations of what happens when influence space is manipulated, and the effects of manipulating interconnect centres and the interconnect itself.
For clarification, the manipulation of matter by matter itself is “natural”, the manipulation of the fundamental natural laws by directed “Influence” is “supernatural”. A scientific device so advanced it appears magical but still works within the laws of the universe is “natural” and not magical [Dictionary definition supernatural]. A scientific device that is constructed by manipulating the influence layer, inferring new physical rule sets for the materials and behaviours of said materials, is both scientific and supernatural, or magical. Please remember this distinction if a non-corporeal entity “converses” with you; also not all objects with such properties will have a scientifically valid purpose or logical construction method.

This is an evolving document, and things will be clarified, corrected, and changed over time.

Specifically to the part below:

Matter is expected to exhibit certain behaviours, and follow certain rules. It is at the influence layer that these rules are defined and regulated, where one might consider an “Influence Model” twin of the matter concerned to exist. Non-physically represented behaviours of the universe are also modelled and regulated at this layer, and can actually exist independently of the material layer. That is, until those non-physical properties interact with “Influence Models” that have a physically apparent twin.

Moving ahead to take a non-physical entity from section 5 we could place it in this Influence space. Its apparent existence would be non-observable, or even inferable, until it manipulated an “Influence Model” with a physical presence in 3 dimensional space. Because it could observe a scientist [which would have lot more going on than just an influence model at this layer] attempting to recreate the effect would only be possible if the entity intentionally repeated the effect.

A99
01-19-2012, 02:27 AM
Also this part too...


“The Influence” has other interesting properties due to its extra-dimensional nature, namely time-independence, differing types of influence, and differing operative wavelengths. I am using radio wave speak here, mainly because it is the closest approximation; essentially the influence only affects other influence masses on the same wavelength.

If you have two different types of influence then they can occupy the same space without affecting each other. This is one of the main reasons that an entity residing in influence space can pass through physical objects and their influence space copies. In section 5 we will see how the same entity would use its own influence and create an “Interconnect Centre” compatible with the Influence layer copy of a real-world object; allowing it to manipulate the copy and produce real-world effects in physical reality.

With an awareness of how different influence types can operate in the same space, it should not be a great leap of understanding to see how a technologically advanced extra-dimensional entity could “phase” in and out of reality; thus allowing it to move through apparently physical objects, or use the same technology to move a person through the walls of a house and into a waiting ship. This will be discussed in more detail in sections 3, 6 and 7.

Artificial entities, discussed in section 8, are a subset technology utilized most often by Trans-Dimensional entities, but also operated by physical entities that have acquired the technology. We will cover their basic functionality and limitations, the artificial influence body at the influence layer, and the emulated consciousness loop that gives it a degree of awareness.

A99
01-19-2012, 03:01 AM
www.jonklimo.com/Papers/UFOMag.pdf


www.jonklimo.com/Papers/UFOMag.pdf


The Comprehensive Ufologist: Drawing Comparison’s Between Those Anomalous Phenomena Found In Paranormal and After-Life Studies and Those Anomalous Phenomena Found in Ufology and Extraterrestiology.

Before I had my first UFO sighting back in 2005, my main area of research were in the area’s of paranormal anomalous phenomena in general and in the ITC/EVP field.

Ostensibly, having grown up in a household that had monthly Edgar Cayce meetings that my father started up due to his own psychic experiences and interest in that area, being a lot like my dad and his sister in this regard, I began my informal education in paranormal studies in my pre-teen years.

But it was not until after I had my own UFO sightings, that I began to read everything that I could find on that phenomenon and ET’s. And the one thing I found absolutely amazing was how little so many researchers in Ufology knew about the subject of parapsychology and its history, regardless that all of the anomalous phenomena that we also see in Ufology has been researched on, analyzed and written about extensively over the past two century’s. That there was so little intellectual analysis, comparisons and interfacing between those two fields, has led me to conclude that until Ufologists start to seriously study the history of Parapsychology, they will never even come close to truly understanding all of the various kinds of paranormal phenomenology that we see in Ufology and Extraterrestrialology.

Fortunately, I’m not alone in my sentiments on this very important issue and one of the Parapsychologists who has specifically addressed it in an in-depth manner is Jon Klimo, who is the director of the doctoral program in Parapsychology at Rosebridge Graduate School of Integrative Psychology in Concord, California. He is also a well known and respected author of books on various topics in the field of parapsychology.

A few years ago, Klimo wrote a very long article for UFO Magazine entitled “Otherworldly and Inter-Dimensional Relations or Connecting with the Otherworldly” (working titles) which talks about the strong connection between parapsychology and Ufology.

He starts off by saying that he finds it “unacceptable” that there has been little or no interaction between these two fields especially in light of the fact that UFO/ET experiencers continuously report having the same kinds of extraordinary abilities, experiences of anomalous phenomena “and other processes long studied in parapsychology“. And this includes “ telepathy, mind control, mind anomalously effecting matter (PK), teleportation, levitation, out-of-body experiences, transubstantiation and materialization/de-materialization, to name only some”.

In his view, another reason why the two fields need to merge is because a “growing percentage” of UFO/ET experiencers are reporting that UFOs and ETs are interacting with our own physical world from a “realm of habitation” that is the same realm “traditionally associated” with dreams, out-of-body experiences and the realm we go to after we cross-over. And that UFOs and ETs “ may be closer in nature “ to those other realms of reality than they are to our own physical world.

Klimo believes that “This joining of forces (of both fields) will help usher in the emerging scientific paradigm” that our own physical world and reality “revolves around” and is “dependent upon the inner reality of consciousness”.

That outside of those ET’s who inhabit our own physical dimension only, those other ET’s who operate from those other realms have apparently “evolved” to a level where they have been able to “engineer at will, of a true post-dualist unified field universe”. And once again we go back to those same kind of paranormal phenomena that have been long studied in the field of parapsychology. ET’s, for example, use telepathy, advanced forms of PK, and there are even witness accounts that say that they can operate their ships with their “mind alone”. And that some ships are even said to be “alive and at one with them”. That ET’s (and their ships) appear to be able to alter and control the way they manifest to us, indicates that the “nature of their embodiment” is of “light or related immaterial energy”. In short, ET’s are showing us what we long have suspected and “thought possible”. That they have “evolved to understand and manipulate the four known forces of physics” which is indicated by their ability to “operate on a sub-atomic level”, reveals to us that the real action may lie in their
ability to engineer the relationship between what we might think of dualistically as inner
or mental forces and higher dimensional, higher frequency, subtler-energy domains
which, in turn, influence and are responsible for what occurs on our physical level reality
or probably on any other level of reality that can be experienced by those inhabit it were
transiently visit it.

Fore
01-19-2012, 05:02 AM
@ Pontif

I have been trying to put aside some spare time to create images of your depiction. Though keep in mind that people might get easily lost while reading some of the explanations.


Okay, now we’ve taken a simplified look at an object, I suggest we have a look at that un-patterned influence in the pocket universe. For all intents and purposes we could consider it a gas, or a liquid, independent of time. In reality this is not the case, but due to the limitations of the human body and its perceptive range you can think of it like this for now. The extremely simplified examples that follow are intended to get the concepts across to the reader, I will be greatly expanding upon them as we go. @ readers

Just keep in mind that while analogies are made to the dynamics of the physical universe, the substance or fields being described differ in their behavior than any materials found in the physical universe.



If influence is given a pattern then it is affected by other masses of influence with the same pattern. In some cases the patterns of two masses of influence, although different, may be similar enough for them to affect each other to a limited extent. [An advanced psychic will notice that they can interact with some people better than others, or not at all. This is due to the degree of compatibility of their influence with another person’s influence, just in case you were wondering what this is relevant to.] This is a very important point being made. If you don't understand this, you will lose sight of what is being discussed later on when it gets more "in-depth".

The analogy that Pontif uses to radio waves is simply a way of saying that there is a logical consistency in which [influence] patterns affect on another. Some patterns do not affect one another or pass through each other with very little interference.

Note: From the vantage point of a psychic "reading/sensing" the environment, patterns that they cannot "sense" are patterns which they cannot "perceive". If they don't reconfigure an influence pattern, no matter how much they throw at a process...nothing will change.



Now, typically an object will not generate influence, and as such our wandering cube will not do so in its current state. In the actual influence universe many beings and living creatures generate influence; either by conversion of that existing in influence space, or by introducing it from outside influence space {Covered in section 3}; please note that there are also situations in which beings can no-longer generate influence. Keep in mind that while objects do not generally process and produce [dynamic ranges of] influence...as in consciousness....They do naturally possess influence patterns.

I do not know if there is such a thing as a 3 dimensional object without influence. I know there are people whom "run almost dry" in their production of influence, but never really completely.




Let’s take a look at our model, and introduce a small mass of influence called “Yellow”, another called “Blue”, and another called “Red”. Careful with the use of "mass" as a descriptive term. Make sure your audience understands that this is an analogy. I know English is a limited language for the subject...but just make sure to point it out for the nuts and bolts crowd.




None of the masses are able to interact with one another, as they have no commonality amongst each other. We’ll add rules, Blue decays into “Yellow”, “Red” can interact with “Yellow”, “Yellow” decays into un-patterned influence [think of the un-patterned as though it were neutral]. “Red” can also observe anything in the Influence universe [for simplicity]. @ Readers

While this may not seem very important as a lesson, trust me, it is a core principle upon what my abilities are based on. If you learn this and a number of other points to a point of familiarity, it will be easy to perform psychic events*.

(Disclaimer: All factors being equal and all requirements being fully met.*)



None of these influence types are currently associated with objects, so let’s keep it approximately in line with what you would find in the real physical and influence universe. I will exclude a layer of complexity for the moment, but “Red” will now be directed by an intelligence, “Blue” by another intelligence, and “Yellow” is simply a by-product of “Blue” existing. Don’t worry about the how yet, just know that the intelligences are able to interact with the different influence masses.

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A99
01-19-2012, 05:09 AM
Case in point:

Matter is expected to exhibit certain behaviours, and follow certain rules. It is at the influence layer that these rules are defined and regulated, where one might consider an “Influence Model” twin of the matter concerned to exist. Non-physically represented behaviours of the universe are also modelled and regulated at this layer, and can actually exist independently of the material layer. That is, until those non-physical properties interact with “Influence Models” that have a physically apparent twin. w

You guys need to re-think your presentation on 'what you think you know' because for those here who are really reading what you are presenting here, we know that the information from the get go is so unorganized, no one can understand what you are saying.
As an instructor at a community college, I can tell you that you need to go back and use a pyramid style type of presentation starting off with what you are calling "The Influence" and those concepts that are inclusive within it.

A bubble map would be a good start using "The Influence" as the central bubble from which everything else that is inclusive within it, sprouts from it.

As it is now, I'm only seeing a complete MESS.

A99
01-19-2012, 05:12 AM
Everything is so messy, I can't even begin to unravel it! Seriously.

A99
01-19-2012, 05:13 AM
You are jumping all over the place! Start from the bottom and then work up! Sheesh!

A99
01-19-2012, 05:19 AM
The way you have it now
"The Influence" is EVERYTHING.

newyorklily
01-19-2012, 05:31 AM
The way you have it now
"The Influence" is EVERYTHING.

MOD WARNING: A99, you are out of line. This thread is about Pontificator's and Fore's experiences, not yours. They can write it any way they see fit. If you don't understand something, then ask a question. Do not direct.

A99
01-19-2012, 05:32 AM
A suggestion (and a very good one too!)

http://www.google.com/google-d-s/drawings/

Work together to create drawings and diagrams in Google Docs and insert them into your documents, spreadsheets, presentations and web pages.

Fore
01-19-2012, 07:04 AM
The way you have it now
"The Influence" is EVERYTHING.
The problem is, it is very hard to understand any one particular bit of info without understanding something else that is deeply inter-related to the first subject. There is a deep spanning tree of knowledge that branches off then joins again at other subject. You need to know quite a number of things in order for that associated information to make sense.

Charts are great but they have to bridge the gap between a 2010 style society and its understandings vs that from...somewhere else.

I don't know how to water it down any further. I think we could start with "The Influence" and what it is...but

Big BUT...

How do I weave together what "The Influence is and why it produces psychic or paranormal phenomena (for example) if I don't explain what modern day conceptions of Quantum Physics is like...as seen from an ET perspective? These are deeply interrelated phenomena that require different (nay numerous) pieces of knowledge to be able to understand the "geek speak".

I am open to suggestions though.

(Though I am not sure if mixing other more Earthly-orientated ideas like you did in the last few posts, is going to help matters. It might complicate things deeply as people will have to unlearn [or at least set aside] various concepts that are "in contention" or "off-target" when it comes to understanding what it is and how it works.)

@ NyLily

By the way, I have been reading that PDF that you made a thread for. Interesting stuff on how they do it. The first thing I noticed is the difference on how they initiate the sessions. They way I was taught, instructed, etc... we don't use external stimuli to activate our ability in that way. (Technically it is always "on")

In the ET group of experimentation, I was a part of, we use non-physical extensions that reside in our bodies and just outside our bodies. These pieces of invisible hardware aren't made of physical mass, but utilize either naturally occurring influence structures or artificial created influence structures that the ET put inside of people like me.

When I developed, these invisible structures are under my direct (lower/mind) control. So when we want to use an ability we simply feed the structure influence that is patterned correctly, then issue mental/visual/directive based intent and our structures translate our conscious intentions into the appropriate non-physical manifestation or response. These structures gives us feedback in various ways about it's status, whether it is in my head, my temples, my chest, or just outside my body hovering on the periphery of it.

It is the "invisible machinery" or biological meta-physical adaptation that controls the whole thing.

Stimulating the thalmus is as easy as a silent sub-vocal intent in my mind. My non-physical components are monitoring my activity at several levels of my consciousness. So when it sees the directive or expression, it then gives me real time feedback on what is expected to achieve that specific ability. I might get an ongoing paranormal sensation of sequences that are required to turn on a specific ability in a specific configuration.

Then from both the outside and inside, I control my body through my structures to achieve the proper sequencing of activating an ability. Whether it be stimulating the thalmus (sp?) or organizing the directives for an associated non-physical structure that takes care of that region or process.

We are always supposed to be "on" or "Active" so that the sequence is very short and to the point. (.5 seconds)

Whether it be looking "through" the cupboard without opening it or reading someones mind.

There is no meditation or hemi-sync sounds. All of it is taken up by the invisible extensions and the associated knowledge on running the artificial hardware that the ETs put in or the natural components that I am born with. Though this I can multiplex several sets of abilities one on top of another and function with then while still holding a conversation or washing plates. (Or watching TV)

So you can, for example, be watching a rerun of "I love Lucy" and then "sense" (or be alerted to) a call coming in a few minutes into the future (pre-cog). Then, identify the person whom is calling and scan them a full minute before they actually pick up the call, while projecting part of your field remotely to see what they are up to at that distance. While also noticing they are at home but are going to the mall in a few minutes and thinking to yourself...hey I want some malt...better ask them to get me some while they are going.

....A minute later...then the call comes in. You pick it up, pretend you don't know anything, then go through the (necessary) motions of steering a normal conversation to accomplish asking that person to pick up a malt for you while they are going to the mall....When they ask how you know, you realize you slipped up, then say something ridiculous and joke about it hoping they will likely forget this oversight in your judgement. (hehe)

All that without much more than a few seconds worth of mildly conscious effort (well...when you abilities are "on" anyway...)

Fore
01-19-2012, 07:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lERbTkN82go

By the way, I watched URI Gellar and the others like Hal Puttoff and whats his name...

Very fun experiments. I was watching the video and all the time in the back of my head I kept thinking back on the techniques I used and how a few were similar and many were very dissimilar as he applied himself.

newyorklily
01-19-2012, 06:13 PM
@a99 - read your pm.

Fore
01-19-2012, 09:33 PM
In the ET group of experimentation, I was a part of, we use non-physical extensions that reside in our bodies and just outside our bodies. These pieces of invisible hardware aren't made of physical mass, but utilize either naturally occurring influence structures or artificial created influence structures that the ET put inside of people like me.

When I developed, these invisible structures are under my direct (lower/mind) control. So when we want to use an ability we simply feed the structure influence that is patterned correctly, then issue mental/visual/directive based intent and our structures translate our conscious intentions into the appropriate non-physical manifestation or response. These structures gives us feedback in various ways about it's status, whether it is in my head, my temples, my chest, or just outside my body hovering on the periphery of it.

It is the "invisible machinery" or biological meta-physical adaptation that controls the whole thing.

Stimulating the thalmus is as easy as a silent sub-vocal intent in my mind. My non-physical components are monitoring my activity at several levels of my consciousness. So when it sees the directive or expression, it then gives me real time feedback on what is expected to achieve that specific ability. I might get an ongoing paranormal sensation of sequences that are required to turn on a specific ability in a specific configuration.

Then from both the outside and inside, I control my body through my structures to achieve the proper sequencing of activating an ability. Whether it be stimulating the thalmus (sp?) or organizing the directives for an associated non-physical structure that takes care of that region or process.

I should disclose that I have (for safety reasons) limitations/limiters "added in" to keep these components from injuring my very own biology as well as the delicate components that are invisibly situated inside and around my body.

They (the ET experimenters) also place psychological and situational triggers/restrictions to keep me from manipulating too much influence at any one time. Whether it is within my body or around it in the environment.

So every time my actual abilities are "engaged" in doing something, I can feel the limits and stay within the safe zone of operating them. The human body...as the taller ET supervisors pointed out long ago, has limits on what it can handle internally. The same is true for other people in my periphery; as in around me when I am actively manipulating "the influence" as I go about feeding influence through the invisible structures.

As the invisible psychic structures become more developed and refined, they begin to exert "unsafe" levels of manipulation on the physics of a persons body or that of others around you. So these virtual limiters are there at several levels "of the process" to contain how much you utilize the varied paranormal effects. If you exceed a certain threshold of activity it can damage the body you have...and then you are "Sorry Out of Luck".

If you expose others to extremely strong fields of "influence" it can also damage their biology. So delicate practices and very restrictive habits are entrained from the beginning....as was the case with me. You learn how to to restrain yourself rather than how to exert an excessive amount of manipulative force.

Which is why I sometimes laugh a bit when people paint me as some kind of cowboy with my ability. They have no real idea as to how much control I exert or how much I am holding back when I do things.

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While the ET are capable of large influence emanations, they do not typically exert it as they don't want to damage a human beings insides or their thought process.

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This level of internal control over yourself is literally why the mentality tends to lean towards conservative actions in one sense. You think about what you are going to do before you do it. Though when you have your (higher/mind) working that can be only a few fractions of a second.

Note: Assuming you as a psychic, aren't reading the future state of any given environment. If you are, then you have already thought of it long in advance before it actually becomes a physical reality.

Anyway,

When you want to remove the restrictions you either have to go and ask permission to remove them or if you can do it yourself. But you have to seek consent from each aspect "of you" that is monitoring the activity inside of your mind and listening in on everything that is happening. If every part of you agrees it is a good idea to remove the restrictions that are in place, you'll "feel a sense of wholeness" in terms of "a determined agreement" and then the self-imposed limits starts to decrease and your ability to exert more control of "the influence" goes higher.

Generally at this point you'd have to use the outer fields (External Field Manipulation [EFM]) vs the ones found inside your body (Internal Field Manipulation [IFM]).

If you don't, as the ET were apt to point out, you'll damage living tissue in your brain, throughout your body, create internal hemorrhaging, seizures as electrical dynamics go askew and various kinds of anomalies as the density of the fields control increases. The artificial anomalies with relation to standard physics becomes more intense and pronounced. (Read: Psychically more "robust". )

People whom don't know these things are likely to damage their physical body and die an early death.

I noticed, that in some cases the first thing people damage is their heart as they manipulate internal influence incorrectly and over-tax their body in several ways in an attempt to produce more influence. The way people like me are taught, you almost relax to the point of almost not breathing. Then once the sequences of activation are complete, you manage the entire process and emanations with the constant real time feedback you get.

Whether a person is directly in front of you or remotely situated in Alaska, does not mean much except a slightly different change in targeting strategy.

Fore
01-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Anyway,

When you want to remove the restrictions you either have to go and ask permission to remove them or if you can do it yourself. But you have to seek consent from each aspect "of you" that is monitoring the activity inside of your mind and listening in on everything that is happening. If every part of you agrees it is a good idea to remove the restrictions that are in place, you'll "feel a sense of wholeness" in terms of "a determined agreement" and then the self-imposed limits starts to decrease and your ability to exert more control of "the influence" goes higher.

Generally at this point you'd have to use the outer fields (External Field Manipulation [EFM]) vs the ones found inside your body (Internal Field Manipulation [IFM]).

If you don't, as the ET were apt to point out, you'll damage living tissue in your brain, throughout your body, create internal hemorrhaging, seizures as electrical dynamics go askew and various kinds of anomalies as the density of the fields control increases. The artificial anomalies with relation to standard physics becomes more intense and pronounced. (Read: Psychically more "robust". )

People whom don't know these things are likely to damage their physical body and die an early death.

I noticed, that in some cases the first thing people damage is their heart as they manipulate internal influence incorrectly and over-tax their body in several ways in an attempt to produce more influence. The way people like me are taught, you almost relax to the point of almost not breathing. Then once the sequences of activation are complete, you manage the entire process and emanations with the constant real time feedback you get.

For example nina was one good (and old) example of what improper procedures can do to the body. As well as what happens when you use your IFM (Internal Field Manipulation) instead of establishing the proper External psychic Structures.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L61RptUUEqU

If they did an MRI on her body they would have probably [Speculation] have found arteries inside of her body bursting internally from blood and tissues moving around with just as much force as the objects in front of her.

Edit: Stopping a remote targets heart is as easy as knowing what the biological shape and intended design is. (or figuring it out)

Then disrupting the normal process is easy as pooling blood against the normal systolic process or disturbing the electrical components around the heart. It wouldn't be too hard to do if you do it right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systole_%28medicine%29

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/Heart_systole.svg/465px-Heart_systole.svg.png

Courtesy of WikiPedia

Longeyes
01-20-2012, 12:03 AM
Over the last three years I have undergone a path of training. I have been studying an age old form of Tibetan Buddhism that dates back to the Buddha and may well go back even further. What I’ve learned is an internally consistent view of the universe that reveals the world in its true nature quite starkly.
I could only have guessed at many of the things that I know have come to believe. As someone mentioned here it is crucial to have a guru who comes long tradition. You don’t just benefit from their knowledge but also from the countless people in the tradition that have gone before.
To start with the only way you learn anything in this world is through direct experience.
I.e. something comes into you awareness and you find it profoundly true. This is quire different from learning by rote what someone has told you.
Someone can tell you that man landed on the moon, lead melts at 327.5 degrees C, but you don’t really know that all you can have is trust in the fact that they are right. Science is in fact dogma backed up with facts.

Listen hard some of this stuff is subtle.

The universe is created by the beings that exist within it.
The universe is made up of consciousness.
The physical reality you see around you is not as concrete as you imagine - it is a construct of mind. Think about the way you interact with the world through your senses.
Modern science backs this up from the completely wrong end of the argument. When you see you only really see a small 10% of your visual field the rest is filled in by the brain - made up. Colors are merely different bands of EM radiation given certain labels. Take the colour blind for instance they see the world differently and we all perceive vision in a very different way to a fly or an eagle. In the same way your perception of solidity of the in the exterior world is purely representation of physical sensation of touch in your mind.
A smell is also merely a label the brain has given to very complex set of chemicals meeting your olfactory gland. This is not a denial of the physical world. The actual world exists out there in unimaginable detail and complexity that we can never hope to understand it, we merely have our own interpretation of it. The point is this, if you think along these lines this long enough it begins to dawn on you that all you really have is your awareness - nothing else. But it goes deeper than that in fact - all there actually is awareness and there is nothing else.
We are all ultimately connected as we are all part of the same awareness. As well as being one we are also separate. You know this on some instinctive level as well as 1 + 1 = 2 1 + 1=1.
Once you do truly understand this - the universe starts to unravel. What you thought were actually completely unconnected series of events all of a sudden seem less like coincidences. It isn’t a coincidence that you have been thinking about something all day and then you switch on the radio and they just happen to be talking about it. Or you are search desperately for something then when you give up and you find it almost immediately. We are connected on a level far deeper than physical reality. You have in some very real way created them. It’s here that you can start to get slightly unhinged but there is no real need as none of it real means anything.
This is primarily what they don’t want you to know. We write the rules and are trapped purely by our own design. You have the power to change the world. You are in fact completely free but are blind to see it - this is why we are unenlightened.
Fore’s right about being challenged once you start to see things but this isn’t a bad thing it means you are hot on the trail. Like Jesus was tempted in the desert for 40 days and the Buddha was attacked by Mara before he became enlightened. The closer you get the more things stand in your way that’s why it really helps to have a tradition behind you.
If you motivation is not correct you will fall to the side.

When you then look at what someone called ‘phasing’. You see it in a totally new light it not a question of what you do with electronic ET gizmo’s it is an understanding of what it actually is. There is no way I would claim to be able to do such a thing but I don’t discount it as impossible.

Did any of you ever read any Lyall Watson’s ‘Supernature’ was a classic. I think in there there was a description of an Italian kid who could pop tennis balls inside out, very much like the Matrix when all the kids are in the Oracle’s flat.

Hard science is now backing up what was once thought of as the vagaries of parapsychology ie ESP and PSI.
Read ‘The Conscious Universe’ by Dean Radin it is a classic which everyone should have read. The development of Meta Analysis has transformed Parapsychological research. It makes it possible to combine data sets of similar experiments taken over years to determine higher mathematical certainties. PSI has been shown to be proven with certainties of 1 in a million and sometimes more. This makes it impossible for serious scientist to ignore. In fact this is slowly happening now. Radin conducted at his own laboratory at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas a set of brilliant experiments which have all but proved precognition. Subjects were shown images on a screen, some would be nice, others horrific it was obvious looking at graphs of skin conductivity and heart rate that subjects prepared themselves unconsciously for the bad images. No prior psychic ability was required. So much so that that last year that Prof Daryl Bem, a hugely well-respected psychologist at Cornell University repeated the experiments, he reported some positive results in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology (vol 100, p 407). This January an article in the New Scientist revealed that off the back of Bem’s work scientists, at University of California, are trying to make money on the horses using similar methods.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21328471.800-esp-evidence-airs-sciences-dirty-laundry.html

All change science’s view of the universe.

It is of course key to point out that psychic powers and the like are not at all something we need or anything to really search after. They are unimportant but quite likely to develop if you follow the path of awakening. To be awakened or enlightened is the real goal.

Would be interested to know what Fore and Pontifactor make of all this

Fore
01-20-2012, 03:44 AM
@ LongEyes

Imagine my surprise when was a tiny kid and I first started to sense the environment without directly relying on my 5 senses. I remember my exitement when I asked "the Advisor" about it and she told me at length that I shouldn't worry and taught me more about the whole experience.

To see/sense/perceive without turning your head and looking was something....interesting.

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What was infinitely more interesting was when it advanced more as the years rolled on and I became aware that I was perceiving seconds into the future. Then when they conducted an early experiment on me that lasted about 1.5 years, my eyes were opened. They left my pre-cognition turned on 24x7. I was like a kid playing real world Hop Scotch.

Everything was pre-planned when I looked at the world without my 5 senses. I could perceive the conversations clearly, see the pre-echo of events as they transitioned into real time events. What mystery! (LOL)

I started playing games with peoples futures around me. Then one day I started to realize I was always standing where I was supposed to. So one day I looked at where my abilities said I should be almost like as if the whole thing was a Re-run of an old play. I intentionally stepped outside "of bounds" simply by occupying an area where my abilities said I wasn't supposed to be at. Almost immediately I noticed the strange feelings of...almost like a strange non-visual non-body orientated vertigo.

Almost as if my invisible psychic extension were realigning themselves to the new version of reality. I quickly realized the ET observers were aware of my games and asked me to confine my "what if" games with my abilities. I started to fool around and noticed that when I did this, it seemed as if I were occupying a "cold spot" in reality.

I also noticed that some of the ETs themselves generated strange sensations like what I generated when I repeatedly stepped outside of what the future said I would be doing. I assumed this meant they must be like me, as in people or objects or situations that aren't supposed to be "there" doing anything.

Looking back at it, I also noticed that it didn't go unnoticed. I met other ET's whom I only met in passing whom told me not to make perturbations on my own without their consent. I developed further and soon after found out that the Advisor could see events much like I could years in advance. She could detail entire events as if they were a past memory of events. She knew at the time I was so utterly curious about it. So she taught me how to use it. Made it part of the experimentation and watched me as I grew my own form of her ability. I started to realize that the future (mine at least) was not very interesting nor very nice.

It became a waiting game rather than an exploration game. I realized that with a bit of tinkering and theorizing on my own I could look at different versions of events. Never quite as good as hers....not by a long shot.

I started to rely less on my 5 senses as they became almost secondary to my abilities. I collected information using them and relegated my 5 senses as simply something you use when you want to focus on something. Half of my higher mind was always paying attention to distant events around me while the other parts were watching the immediate vicinity or watching the paranormal entities walking about nearly silently.

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My disappointment though was everyone else. Everyone else was unable to perceive or utilize any of that information themselves because of the onerous secrecy of the experiments. They were almost like dormant actors that acted very lively in the world. But really, they weren't aware of the rest that was happening around them, in the now, or in the further future. All the planning seemed to be pretty blindly made and when you pointed it out, they wanted "to know" how you possibly knew about something ahead of time. Something which the ETs would give me stern warnings and instructions to help me out of the tough spots I made by myself and my games.

Lying was always the solution they applied. There was never an attempt by them to explain anything. They helped me to make people think there was something "wrong with them", what they saw, or what they witnessed. That is the only way to cover something up or at least that is what I learned from saying too much and then facing the inconvenience of the questions that arose.

They sternly told me that each change I made affected their collection activities to some degree. To not engage in efforts over others without their explicit approval.

The other strangers echo'ed similar views when they came in to inspect what had been done so far, or what they were curious to see (seemingly for themselves).

Others (especially nordic humaniods) gave me the look-over with disparaging remarks as if I were an "inferior life form" whom shouldn't be aware or know of any of these things.

Others watched me as if I were a two headed elephant, did the equivalent of smile but really said nothing.

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All I was ever told is that "my own people" wouldn't understand anything I had the urge to say to them. That I must remain silent and keep my secrets. Always in an authoritarian way.

The Advisor only kept saying that people would not believe me as a matter of fact (in a much nicer way) and that I should try under controlled conditions they would set up. I did so, and as she said, they really didn't understand. They had no common experience with me. They didn't really even believe it was possible.

So when I got too discouraged the Advisor stepped in to assist me by giving me information to tell them and told me to tell them it was her openly. I did so, and they believed and were shocked. Most didn't like it and called me something demonic or whatever (just because she and I read their mind or performed other basic psychic events that outclassed them). Others kept their distance and thought I was scanning them 24x7. (??)

I explained it to them how it works with the ET playing games of editing my explanations so they were less technical and omitting broad swatches of information of all kinds from what I said. The advisor most of all did this as she saw me typing. She convinced the others that it was okay if those expositions continued. She set ground rules that specific things could not be said as someone in human intelligence (she claimed) would match the patterns of specific information I was writing.

She taught me about how human spy networks worked and what to expect from their current capabilities. So did the others with copious explanations (and it was disturbing in the level of insight they had into everything). Lots of things happened when I ignored her on that.

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In the end, it seems no one actually believes any of it is real. Even if you dazzle them for a month they forget...in half...or a quarter of that time. What you show to one person is not valid or transferable to another person. No one ever seems to remain or be "a good enough witness" for everyone to rely on....blah.

Since then, the ETs have turned alot less friendly towards my "outreach" attempts. LOL

I am not even sure what is the point anymore. I more than welcome Pontif taking over, God knows Noahs flood is going to hit him eventually if he gets too deep into explanations. Then again, by now they are probably beaming out copious "apathy beams" to dog+ World. I don't mind a fight of wits behind the scenes. It gets tiring though and before you know it you start considering potentially destructive methods as an applied strategy of winning.

Winning..."what" though?

It is harder to win trust by benevolent means than it is by simply being destructive. Strangely, if you freak someone out the whole thing is seen in a bad light but it lasts and is taken more seriously (somehow?) than if you take away someones pain in a moment. If you do parlor tricks in good humor, it barely lasts and barely anyone cares to notice it.

It is disturbing the ways people and community dynamics operate.

Fore
01-20-2012, 04:37 AM
@ Pontif

Scan event occurred a few moments ago while I was editing that post of mine (above). My field changed it shape for about 2 minutes and I had muted hearing for that lapse of time. Pretty strong scan. Whomever it was is definitely not even attempting to hide it. Their response time (monitoring frequency has improved it appears)

I guess what I edited out got their goat. I edited out a taunting comment that OM was going to be online soon and so would my threads. That I wanted to see how they could stop that. LOL, I thought about it and decided to not post that bit. A scan event occurred just before I finished editing the post.

I guess they got the gist of the message through what I was thinking as I wrote it....

I also remarked how they should probably encourage those thread being removed upon OM's potential reinstatement. I would be happy to see them become public again. hehe

atmjjc
01-20-2012, 10:56 AM
@fore
I am quoting you from A99 thread #18 in which she gives an effort to explain this thread.


I have seen their craft, seen some the [ET] people while fully awake, experimented with them and performed activities with them.
I am assuming this was covered at OM and is buried in your many posts there. Even if OM came back on line it would take way too much effort and time to try and research this. So this would probably be an excellent time maybe to start a new thread in the encounters area were you could sum up your experiences in a shortened modified style like in the quote above so we can better understand.

I am not saying you & pont should quit explaining here by concentrating there but I for one am more interested in your experience with ET.

You might consider?

lux aurea in obscuro
01-20-2012, 03:11 PM
Good afternoon,

Super smashing a truly engrossing read I wondered unto page 4 if I could handle the ride, and it's sure been a journey enjoying every second of it. I can honestly say this has cemented a many thoughts and theories I have had for what seems like an eternity. If anything this thread for me makes too much sense in fact dissolving any notion that I had mental issues and am not 'wired correctly' we are not the best judge of our own mental state of health.

Now in my mind I am picturing buying all you who have involved yourselves in this particular thread a nice delicious beverage of your choosing for you surely deserve it 'cheers'.

I have nothing constructive to add at this early stage other than encouragement and I hope the debate continues. For I would truly like to find a method of communication with these entities 'the friendly ones' for I have had a gut full of the naughty ones. The information contained so far is most helpful with my own quest to uncover and discover, unlocking possible abilities I may have in order to converse in a positive light with ET's.


Kind regards

M

newyorklily
01-20-2012, 03:21 PM
@fore
I am quoting you from A99 thread #18 in which she gives an effort to explain this thread.


I am assuming this was covered at OM and is buried in your many posts there. Even if OM came back on line it would take way too much effort and time to try and research this. So this would probably be an excellent time maybe to start a new thread in the encounters area were you could sum up your experiences in a shortened modified style like in the quote above so we can better understand.

I am not saying you & pont should quit explaining here by concentrating there but I for one am more interested in your experience with ET.

You might consider?

I think this is a great idea too.

Garuda
01-20-2012, 03:58 PM
In the mean time...

I've uploaded a copy I had made of Fore's Experiences.

Because of the size (close to 900 A4 pages), I've split it up over different files:
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2007.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2008.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2009.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2010.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2011.htm

Warning: these files may take some time to load.

Fore
01-20-2012, 08:19 PM
Since last night, some sense has been pounded into me.

Mostly by one seemingly supernatural source and echo'ed by a few members.

So here I am throwing my defense to the ground, my shield, armor and proverbial sword of words.

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The promise was made that when I most needed it, I would be defended by a different means.

I am tired of the ET and last night reminded me that taunting them is no game. That is my delusion right there.
These "wolves" are up and roaming about over something I mentioned and how I said it. They are looking over the landscape
as we speak and are looking for a resolution.

I am not going to get cozy with them or invite them to have anything further to do with me. I prefer my peace as it has been for while now.

I will not taunt them again about anything. Come hell or high water I will simply employ a bit of restraint and hope God has a big enough shield for the both of us.

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If people call me a liar or delusional, I won't say anything in my defense unless I am asked a concrete question.

If someone wishes to mitigate the problems that arise from not defending myself, then take it upon yourself, to do so.
(I am not talking to anyone human here)

If there is someone whom wishes for me to be defended in my accounts of events, then pull your own weight and get down to it through your own effort. I will not perpetuate the "plausible denial" factor any longer. If I have psychic abilities and I clear their use with God and his Angels, I will use them to demonstrate freely.

The foreground and background conflict ends with this statement.

@ The ET

I know you all like internal conflict and strife as it helps you keep control over things. I will be taking this tool straight from your hands, from now on.

If you want to exercise control, you will have to do it "the hard way" and expose your presence. That is all I have to say.

If you feel perturbed because of this sudden change, that is not my problem. Talk to your supervisors or a non-human psychologist.

newyorklily
01-20-2012, 08:29 PM
Since last night, some sense has been pounded into me.

Mostly by one seemingly supernatural source and echo'ed by a few members.

So here I am throwing my defense to the ground, my shield, armor and proverbial sword of words.

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The promise was made that when I most needed it, I would be defended by a different means.

I am tired of the ET and last night reminded me that taunting them is no game. That is my delusion right there.
These "wolves" are up and roaming about over something I mentioned and how I said it. They are looking over the landscape
as we speak and are looking for a resolution.

I am not going to get cozy with them or invite them to have anything further to do with me. I prefer my peace as it has been for while now.

I will not taunt them again about anything. Come hell or high water I will simply employ a bit of restraint and hope God has a big enough shield for the both of us.

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If people call me a liar or delusional, I won't say anything in my defense unless I am asked a concrete question.

If someone wishes to mitigate the problems that arise from not defending myself, then take it upon yourself, to do so.
(I am not talking to anyone human here)

If there is someone whom wishes for me to be defended in my accounts of events, then pull your own weight and get down to it through your own effort. I will not perpetuate the "plausible denial" factor any longer. If I have psychic abilities and I clear their use with God and his Angels, I will use them to demonstrate freely.

The foreground and background conflict ends with this statement.

@ The ET

I know you all like internal conflict and strife as it helps you keep control over things. I will be taking this tool straight from your hands, from now on.

If you want to exercise control, you will have to do it "the hard way" and expose your presence. That is all I have to say.

If you feel perturbed because of this sudden change, that is not my problem. Talk to your supervisors or a non-human psychologist.

I hope you and Ponti are going to continue writing in this threads (and, hopefully more in the future). While I don't think as analytically as the two of you, I can see the similarities in my own experiences in what you write. Similar experiences, different interpretaions. I look forward to reading more.

norenrad
01-20-2012, 09:12 PM
I started to fool around and noticed that when I did this, it seemed as if I were occupying a "cold spot" in reality.

Very interesting. I often pondered about the possibility of "holding" time or "stopping" time. I am curious if in that moment, would it be hotter or colder, are objects more dense or less dense? If time could be totally stopped and I was still aware, would it be possible to move around or would the very air be so heavy that moving and breathing would be impossible?

It would seem that you may have answered at least one of my questions; briefly moving outside normal time feels cooler. If I understand this correctly, moving back in time would feel warmer... but then, I may be only wasting time thinking about it.

atmjjc
01-21-2012, 01:37 AM
Norenrad, take your camera out and take a picture. Look at the photograph and understand you have just stopped time. Time is a perception formulated or captured by our biological make-up. You can understand this by perceiving density with matter as the thickest.

pontificator
01-21-2012, 11:18 AM
Oh, don't worry, I'll still be writing. Also, just in line with that cold sensation, one of the few times I've gained a lock on an ET entity "reading" me I noticed the following:
"The Stare", somewhat like that old adage "when you look into the abyss the abyss looks into you.
"The Calculation", purely logical, no emotion there.
"The Cold", I had come across something that should not be.

These days I do not try to do that, but I do note that I never did get a repeat on that, it was almost as though whatever it was [including type] deliberately avoided that happening again. The same was not true for other beings, but that is a story for another day.

Next up I'll have "Red" discovering more about the makeup of the "Interconnect" and the "Interconnect Centers." This will then lead on to me talking about how these interact with the influence programming of the influence body. In turn I'll show how the influence body is merely the mirror of the physical body with regulatory programming and control methods. "Blue" will gain some complexity to demonstrate this.

It'll take a while to write that up though.

@Fore, Oh, BTW, check with the guys upstairs to see if it'd be okay for me being able to hear and listen in on anything in the influence layer. It'd need setting up though, so I was wondering if you'd give me a hand on that front? [as it'd be passive, rather than active interaction, I thought it might be considered less of a problem. Mind you, having instant understanding of any spoken and written language would be a good trade-off ;)]

Fore
01-21-2012, 11:22 AM
I had to step out to do a checkup.

I think you guys got the wrong idea. I don't claim to be able to stop time or something crazy like that.

No, I just am trying to show you of the anomalies you notice when the ET are around and communicating information in a conversation format....or if you use a similar "psychic techniques" of reading the future like they do. (though they also have purely technological versions of this)

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Let me try to explain it as best as I can. What I am trying to explain is not something about "stopping" the future. I am trying to explain how reading future information can cause abnormalities from your perspective as a psychic.

Most psychics are very familiar with the idea of using the influence to read or sense the objects in the local or distant environment. Most would say they percieve a "vibration" and they can "sense" something. (my lingo speak for this is "a pattern")

What alot of psychics don't seem to know in a seemingly coherent format...is that these same patterns they percieve (in the influence) can be read almost completely independent of time.

What that means is that while I may not be able to see with my five senses anything more than the immediate present. Through the use of my psychic ability to read influence patterns I can read a frame of time that is a few hours, days, or years distant in time.

This is possible because influence patterns are not a physical part of the universe and are not bound by physical rules... That "sounds impossible"...I know.

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I was taught by The Advisor (an ET) on how to perceive influence events that described information 1 hour into the future. I began to realize, understand and familiarize myself with how they always seemed to know about what was going to happen next. They weren't reading real-time information about the environment. They were looking at a "future index" of time, observing the contents and then acting on it.

Later on, mostly on my own, I did a bit of theorizing on what I knew vs what I didn't know about how "they" use psychic abilities to see into the future environment. I deduced how it probably worked and eventually made a series of "good guesses" about how the ET control their influence structures (invisible psychic components that are a part of them) to see time frames other than the non-physical influence that occurs in real time.

This sounds like it is complicate but once you understand what I do, it actually isn't all that complicated to guess. You just have to be insightful and theorize a bit.

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Anyway,

Not only did I get to see future time frames of any particular state of "the influence" but also got to see slightly adjacent versions of the future and some tweaking. Like small variations. (probabilities)

When they found out, they helped me in some ways to increase my ability to a certain extent while restricting me heavily. I couldn't (or wasn't supposed to) without their permission. I did anyway.

One day I got curious, I read my future actions by reading the actions of others around me. I read carefully where I was supposed to be and what I was supposed to do. Then I did something completely different according to that information.

That is when tiny disturbances occurred. It seemed to create continuity errors or continuity shifts. If small, you barely feel it, but if you intentionally go out of your way, then the changes become more significant with what was originally percieved and seen at a future reference frame in the future.

That is when I noticed the strange sensations of almost like a ~probability-shift or a minor paradox~ of sorts kept happening. My abilities kept acting weird and I would received the psychic equivalent of "a strange set of sensations". Like as if my invisible components were realigning themselves to what is "now" the future. Then I started to keep tabs on people future as the pre-cog ability increased.

I observed as people always did what they were supposed to do. It was almost as if everyone is affixed on a specific probability trajectory across time. I figured if I knew what was going to happen next, I might as well tell somebody about it. So I began to spill my guts and change peoples futures. At first without their consent or knowledge. The same strangeness of "psychic vertigo" kept happening.

It felt ?wrong? somehow. As if something was ?wrong?. That is my best description I can come up with.

I began to figure out that while my physical body didn't experience too much my psychic body did sort of "reel" from the changes.

Then, I began to tell people exactly what was going to happen to them in short periods of time, like tomorrow. When they would ask, I would say it was something "I just knew". Then I increased it to months in advance and that is when the ET's put the breaks on me. They told me every time I did that, their observations became "a little fuzzier". To stop doing that.

The more aware I became and sensed, the more I realized these guys were bathed in these strange "paradox". It was as if they themselves were somehow an "aberration" in reality. They seemingly weren't supposed to be there...somehow.

When I realized that percieved anomalies came as a result of these changes, I started looking for these types of strange patterns on the ET's. I realized they were bathed in them at an invisible level.

And when they visited in person it became much more obvious.

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To me it implied there was something I don't know about them even up to this day.

When it was clear and they understood what I knew about them. They opened up and began to be 100x times more obvious about knowing about various things. They started to tell me about events with immense level of details.

One time the Advisor even dictated an entire series of conversations over the next few days just to push me into a corner that she was aware of most things I will do at that future time.

They began to do incorporate exercises with me on how to be in the right place at the right time. To create limited scenarios or participate in ones they created to show me new things.

Then they began to show me how to combine "mind reading" while reading a persons future...

Eventually, I learned and practiced near them as they observed me going through the motions. The Greys there took notes while the Advisor took orders from one ET supervisor whom rarely came down. They taught me how to read a persons mind in the "future tense". Something which I still use to this day.

They were the ones whom showed me how to entrap someone by knowing what they are going to say or do in the future and then actively preempt them.

To this day I still use this ability. It is not something that the ETs would like people to know exists as it makes "normal people" feel "uncomfortable".

At one point on my 1 on 1 sessions with people they allowed me to make it obvious. By giving me the freedom to utilize these abilities in concert with ongoing conversations.

If you were there, you would see that I was responding to questions before they were even asked. Not just a mind reading talent, but one where you know what your opponent will say before they do. Then stopping them in mid-thought by answering their questions ahead of time.

In all truth though, it is an asset they relay on to conduct their "business" practices. The more they know [or I know through them] about what is going on both in the present and in the way it is going to turn out, the more *cornered* they have whomever it is they want to corner. That is what it comes down to.

And you would be surprised in the ways it is used against the public community.

Maybe...more on that later.

neverwas
01-21-2012, 05:52 PM
I do say fore that I can understand your ways of writing quite a bit better than others, a different way of looking behind the curtain. Please don't let others discourage you. I do believe we all have something to contribute. Well some of us.

I can just imagine some ethereal bonfire somewhere where those who do not hold humanities best intentions are dancing around with a "happy little mouse dance" saying they have us going at each other and derailing anything being told about their manipulations.


I certainly can relate to ponti's incident with "the stare"

norenrad
01-21-2012, 06:32 PM
The more aware I became and sensed, the more I realized these guys were bathed in these strange "paradox". It was as if they themselves were somehow an "aberration" in reality. They seemingly weren't supposed to be there...somehow.

I had thought this many times.

Another thing to ponder, if you are able to see or sense future events, then the "now" has already happened (very confining idea and throws free will out the window) and by influencing the "now" with information from the future, you have changed the future.

Perhaps we are unpredictable in the long run and that's what interests them, we are influenced by a higher order that they are unfamiliar with and that puzzles them... just running with a thought.

Fore
01-21-2012, 11:16 PM
I had thought this many times.

Another thing to ponder, if you are able to see or sense future events, then the "now" has already happened (very confining idea and throws free will out the window) [...] Actually, it doesn't as seen from my perspective.

Each time you walk outside of a building, you are making decisions about what you are going to do. The nature of the influence seems to contain that info in a readily available and accessible state as long as you are a capable psychic.

While I (for example purposes) may know where each of your steps will land on the floor at any given moment if I am observing you from across the street, you are still in control of what you are going to do and what you did.

Your free will in that sense remains intact. The only thing is, I know where your steps will be...while you do not.

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If you think about it from that specific perspective, you are like a sort of 3D actor in a 4D play. From the point of view of 4D folks, the next chapter is already written. From the point of view of the 3D actors, the play is a total mystery. (Seeing the world through their 5 senses only)

Only if I run across the street and interrupt you passage across its path...will there be "an aberration". If I mind my own business, and observe from afar without interfering, I will be merely an observer without causing any large aberrations.

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In philosophical terms, you are a 3D man. While I am 4D enabled. I know what comes next when I have these capabilities in functioning order.

You do not have this advantage. (in this example)

The same is true of those "behind the curtain" away from prying eyes. They usually know what any specific conversation is going to turn out like. So they know what to tell me what to say and how to act. (from behind the curtain.)

Always saying the right things, always doing the right things, from their perspective....it is all a long formula of events they evaluate and then implement. Long before you have ever even thought of walking across the street, they already know all about it.

I have used this ability before on OM in my early days. When I lost my ability, the members noticed that my behavior changed gradually as I became clueless as to what was happening around me or would happen as a result of each and every action. Proverbially it is like the prior example, like a 4D actor becoming a 3D actor.

It was part of the reason why I had a reputation back then of "winning" arguments. While I no longer do. Because now I am like you.

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I do not mean this maliciously or anything, though as you can imagine it can be very advantageous to know about everything ahead of time. The ETs even evaluated my responses many times and gave me "talks" to correct my behavior or to prevent me from saying something.

Before I even joined OM, they were scripting events. Sometimes unknown to me as I didn't realize it before I became proficient in it myself.

I can open the books starting here, and while no one will believe me, this is part of the reason why I have such a ~notorious~ reputation at times.



and by influencing the "now" with information from the future, you have changed the future. Which is why the ET behind the scenes don't want you to know or even begin to understand this. If you were to accept this as a reality...it would become "troubling" to them. If you share that with others or gain evidence that you can share with others in other communities....that would be "a problem" as the Greys like to say.

That is why when I still had the capability, they heavily restricted and warned me not to discuss future information with any member. Unless they could hide it, they did not want it known to be a true skill or capability.

Without evidence or proof, there are only claims. With proof, that is...a problem for them.

(Actually, there is proof, but most of it is burred between members.)

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Anyway,

When I broke my oath to never use my ability itself to back up my claims. The poop hit the fan.

When I broke my oath to cease the continual "plausible denial" to my claims. They took it as a problem that needs fixing...from what I can gather.


Perhaps we are unpredictable in the long run and that's what interests them, we are influenced by a higher order that they are unfamiliar with and that puzzles them... just running with a thought.

People have extensions beyond their body that are spiritual in origin, not just psychic extensions. If someone like a (higher order being) Angel comes down to change things, then it is a pretty important event. (IMO)

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Otherwise, people are pretty much painfully predictable.

The ETs had an ongoing project where they were trying to psycho-analyze difficult people whom they had a hard time controlling through scenarios and stimulus.

Keep in mind that when they "handle" you, they are typically treating you with a ~analytical formula~ in their mind. Some ET don't know (as in having a common ground) "why" you generally cry or have passionate experiences. Some ET really only understand what it means in a formulaic sense as to how it relates to other phenomena that goes on inside of your head. So the inside of their mind is like a complex relational database.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database

Some ET know if you cry, that you are experiencing discomfort, but they may not "understand" on a level of sympathy or relate to your experience of discomfort.
Some ETs do.

There are many ET whom do somewhat genuinely understand and relate to our experience as human beings. Others only know the text book version that is embedded in their head. Some of them simply do not have the same feelings or sentiments "to share the experience" with you. So for some, it is lost on them beyond what the technical manual in their head tells them.

Some only generally understand it from a logical or intellectual point of view. Sometimes they make the wrong assessment as to the cause even though they can mind read you very easily to compensate. Even then, some are a bit lost..period.

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The human condition is not a mystery to some of the ET. They have a better working model than most human beings can even begin to fathom.

They just may not share these sentiments we feel.

To some ET we are nothing more than lower order life forms. Relatively unaware and unconscious compared to them. Like a human is to an iguana. 3D biological entities unaware that they are actors in their 4D stage.

The future only seems unpredictable from the point of view of 3D human beings. To them there is a lot less mystery about alot of things going on.

tl2
01-22-2012, 02:56 PM
Fore, your PM box is full.

Fore
01-22-2012, 08:39 PM
Here is an idea that I want to shine a spotlight on:

Are we 3D level players within the ETs machinations? (the teaser starts here)

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If you are a normal member of the UFO community the first response you should come up with in your mind is "No". That is the right response the ET would want anyone in the UFOlogy community to some up with.

Let me pull back the curtain slightly so you can read a little from a behind the scenes manual that only some get to witness and understand.

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People whom come into certain contact with the ET may have a very good chance to be exposed to various different "protocols of handling" them as individuals. Some ET are expected to behave in a certain way within certain parameters. It does not generally matter what shape or color they come in. This means that the human people are evaluated mentally to see what they are susceptible to.

Then templates are matched to their susceptible nature or to the ETs needs.

This template can be that you come from Mars. Or you were born in a different star system and then were born here.

They have such an immense level of psychic ability that they know how to make it process through your mind in a specific way that...when experienced...it leaves a lasting impression, on you the individual.

Right here, most people whom have been treated in this kind of way will start to jolt for the browsers close button. They don't want to know or believe there is any such thing. Inside of their mind there are usually left over suggestions that guides the individual into a state of accepting or facing the programming. It is not always successful and many times people need to be exposed to repeated visits.

I wrote of the procedure in another part of the forum and how it (very basically) works. I will link to it as soon as I find it again. I recall I wrote it to PAM.

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Anyway, once you are convinced that you are from venus or are an tau ceti alien in a reincarnated form. The real work begins.

Things are fleshed out and the resistance to the paradigm shift in your thinking is generally evaluated from different perspectives to ensure i"it takes". This is the ET version of an MKUltra like program.

It is supposedly widely used in specific programs that covers many people (not all).

What is left in your mind is a convincing story. That story prevents you from being taken seriously by those without the story. This is the Key and Lock system (as I call it) used by the ETs to #1)limit the activity and interaction of a person or a group of people with other people in similar programs...as well as the general populace.

Some of the ETs then give others contacted individuals similar reproductions to other people in other sessions using a series of "master templates". There are only so many "Master Templates" and this is so that they can limit the number of storyline being employed by ET personnel whom encounter human beings.

They are not supposed to create story lines from thin air as this "goes out of bounds" to the "Key and Lock" system. (nicknamed by me)

New story lines can be circulated after a long period of time when they get supposedly spaced out in human time. So I think that may explain why the story lines of the 1920 through the 1950's do not match with the 1960's through the 1980's and or further onwards. I do not know the exact reasons but, this might be it.

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The "key and lock" system works basically like this:

You believe that you are from mars. You have certain details in your mind that covers the story line and a number of relevant points. Your mind is exercised for a bit after you receive this story line so you may develop personal minor characterization that is internally generated by you (specifically).

This story line is your "key". Usually people are supposed to believe it with conviction. But some of the ET's told me that sometimes they only rely on the knowledge that the individual retains not necessitating the full scope of belief. They told me that through knowledge alone that individual can be coerced at any time by bringing together fabricated events that are then picked up by the person as reinforcing the validity of a story line.

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Note:

A fabricated event example:

Meeting people at a specific time and place whom hold a compatible story line. What one of the two people do not know is that the other person may have been "influenced" to be there at a specific time and date to coincide with you.

From this this can build entire communities or movements within those communities without ever being physically present on the ground. More on that later.

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If the person with the "key and lock" system meets someone whom does not have a "proper key" (the right story line), they are supposed to be rejected. This is "the lock" part of the system.

Keeping human beings separate and divided upon these story lines of ET fiction. This lock system is like a play pen when only certain like-subjects can interact with one another. They are only supposed to trust one another in these play pens. Anyone outside these play pens is rejected or tolerated.

This is how you confine and limit entire communities with one base experience from sharing too much information with one another. The human condition and the various associated feelings and sentiments that people create through this Key and Lock system prevents large scale cooperation. It perpetuates distrust and confusion.

What it means is, they seed the idea, help it grow inside someones head, then release you into the wild without recalling where you got it from.

From there the person develops these sub-conscious desires that float to the surface, a feeling of strangeness or of not belonging. Finally after a few more visits (which the person might not remember) the storyline is brought to the forefront. The person becomes aware of the story and is "softly hammered" repeatedly through their own conscious awareness to grow accustomed to it and make it a part of their reality.

The vast majority (I was told) accept the story line. The minority require different Templates...or they are front loaded with fabricated memories which support the story line and/or lucid dreams. People whom do not take easily can be exposed to a regimen of long term exposures to dynamic [modified] stimulation until they come into acceptance. (This is highly sensitive secret, so I won't go there)

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The whole process keeps people guessing or makes them extremely sure of what they believe. Either result is an acceptable result. I have actually shown examples in order to evaluate and understand how the system works.

Denial of the programming can cause a person discomfort. Most will choose to steer their life away from sources which deny or impede the programming.

Regardless of whether the person falls at either extreme of the scope of the programming (either constantly guessing or is absolutely sure of the storyline) they are manipulable in order to add extra content in line with the operating agenda of the ET.

For example, A first person called linda whom has become convinced she is from Tau Ceti and was born there originally but brought back to earth through reincarnation (and/or a denial of the current biological parents). She may find herself "coincidentally" meeting a person at the supermarket whom may go out of their way to strike up a conversation with her. Quite nervously the other party called Jasmine interjects at the checkout lane and asks Linda odd questions.

Linda, who was minding their own business may have been abducted had the information passed on to her about this other woman and what she looks like. Including names etc. Or if the ET are in a hurry they can also remotely insert the information of the facial similarity of the other person *Jasmine* without ever coming into physical contact with Linda.

These are all secret pieces of information and I am feeling kind of ~~ in sharing it. Your not supposed to know that.

Anyway, this can be done remotely. That is the gist of it. The community at large seems to be familiar with the introduction of information through what I see most people referring to as "mental downloads".

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When Linda and Jasmine pick up the conversation outside the supermarket, Jasmine may feel an "overriding and irrational urge" to become acquainted with Linda. She may not (consciously) know why. Linda may recognize Jasmines face and name but does not (consciously) know why.

They may eventually form a paranormal group or a ufo group or simply keep tabs on one another after they have time to discuss.

A little time after that, an ET may come zipping by on his scheduled errands and from his UFO 2 miles up in the sky scan Linda and determine that the encounter did occur and writes that down on his notes. He moved on and may in a few hours scan Jasmine to determine the same.

The two women may think it is match made in heaven but...LOL...sort of is huh? (LOL)

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If Linda and Jasmine one day encounter Laudia and hear her story that she is from mars and has had contact experience with reptillians. Usually in that case, Linda and Jasmine are supposed to tolerate (at best) or reject Laudia and the notions she brings with her.

This is the key and lock system. People generally stay where they are supposed to be. Locked up inside of elaborate lies. Each with their own Key of truth which is used to compare the others to.

A play pen?

Or an Animal Pen? You decide.

Fore
01-22-2012, 08:59 PM
These same strategies can also isolate a community built up of Close Encounter of the First through Fifth kind from the regular folks in the world.

Around this "key and lock" system, the ETs also pick the farm...err I mean the human beings...to pick up advanced screenings of strategically placed disinformation that they want to introduce into the "Play Pen" communities.

They assign ETs to release elaborate false information into these communities to make sure that each "Master Template" has something to chew on and evolve on. They establish large followings through them and do a head count and gather statistics on how well the Disinformation is propagating throughout the Play Pens.

The ETs are sure to make it sound nice, but also plausible (in a wild eyed sense) so that normal non-affected human beings look to their left at the UFO community and wonder about how crazy they all are. This separates the unaffected from the affected. The affected in the mean time squabble about whom "Master Template" is more valid than the next.

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The whole thing combines into a Play Pen with "Locks and Keys". A Play Pen that has lots of Smoke and Mirrors all throughout to keep the affected cozy for the long haul.

If a particular community Play Pen requires a boost, they assign an "affected" person to the role of contactee, tell them they are "chosen" and then (if required) they provide the sights and sounds of legitimate crafts and experiences to lend credence to one branch of this disinformation campaign.

When they believe it has enough credence among a particular Play Pen. They evaluate the situations, determine enough is enough and flush the contactee with false events they never plan to fulfill. Then use other communities with different "Locks and Keys" to come swooping in to destroy the [now hosed down] contactee. The unwitting human (usually made of the affected) accomplices to clean up the mess and destroy the movement.

A new legend [of confusion] or disinformation story line is born and the ET move on.

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They evaluate which play pens (of story lines and disinformation) require a boost, then choose the messengers and the whole process repeats.

Rinse and Repeat.

That is how you divide, confuse and perpetuate within the "Key and Lock" system. (It is my nickname for it by the way)

Fore
01-22-2012, 09:05 PM
The next time you step into a book store,

Go to the UFO/ET section and look over how many book are in stock. Ask yourself, how many ET did it take to make all this happen?

I'd be interested to hear your calculated results....:biggrin2::das:angel_not:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0Ce52bznJlk/Tim5fvxucQI/AAAAAAAAF-0/aPHNpeTVgLc/s1600/howard+lee+contactee.jpg

But then again...what do I know...? I am only the parrot that repeats what he has heard after years of active service and research.

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I wonder when they are going to send the Jackals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackal) to take out what is left of my "apparent credibility"??

Fore
01-22-2012, 09:06 PM
Fore, your PM box is full.
I just cleaned it out.

norenrad
01-23-2012, 12:02 AM
This template can be that you come from Mars. Or you were born in a different star system and then were born here.

Well then, I'm glad that I still think I'm from Earth.

Funny thing about that. When I first arrived here in Colorado, I was on my way to lunch and was standing at a street corner waiting to cross when some crazy guy came up to me very excitedly. He was so amazed that "they" are finally allowing people from (some other planet - my planet) down here on Earth. He patted me on the back and welcomed me to Earth and walked away in total glee. After a few days, another guy, sitting on a bench, asked me if I had ever been to (some planet) and told me that I should go there because it's very beautiful.

Very strange welcoming to Colorado, indeed.

Fore
01-23-2012, 12:41 AM
No doubt, you will find that alot of the content that people are given are not very logical upon close examination.

Some of the stuff that happens behind the scenes is pretty hard to believe...until you witness it a few hundred times over and over again as they try it on yourself and others. Or they help you meet people and then put them on display as if there were "fine works of inhuman artistry" for you :to observe", "learn from" and "understand". Worse yet, I see\saw evidence of it happening in other distant cases from around the world. Disturbing.

I realize the truth I have witnessed is actually much stranger than fiction really ever could be. In fact, if Hollywood ever made a movie on the "ET: Behind the Scenes". It would probably be so strange...yet so familiar...in some senses that you'd really never understand the whole movie unless you went through alot of it first hand.

I am banking that a good number of the members here will recognize at least some segments of the processes they have been through and perhaps realize there is a story behind it in the back of their mind. I am not going to tell them what to think. But just point it out though my accounts of events.

Some stuff to "chew on" for a while.

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Though right now I am waiting for the ET sponsored Jackals to pay me a visit both through the forum and off it in the background. I am hoping that if I play a dead possum that they won't beat me too hard and senseless when it comes time for them to "set the record straight" through their proxies.

So far the protection seems to be working. Let me hope it holds.

Fore
01-23-2012, 12:52 AM
By the way Norenrad,

Speaking of Hollywood. I think you will like the cheesy movie called....I think it is called "The Darkest Hour". It gives an interesting spin to Aliens whom are invisible to the naked eye until a high frequency beam makes them visible to the naked eye.

From my vantage point I saw a lot of interesting concepts mixed in...very fictional...but interesting.

The ETs in the movie can see through walls and objects. (but not through insulators: glass)
The ETs in the movie also traverse the scenes completely invisible to the naked eye until something attempts to penetrate their field.
The ET in the movie affect electronic equipment when they are close by.
The ET in the movie reduce the global population quite suddenly over the course of a few days.
The ET knock out the electronic infrastructure upon their initial arrival to cripple mankind.

Interesting fiction. If they would change a number of very vital points about the fictional ET, you could make an even more interesting film that would be a bit too close to reality for the ETs potential comfort.

atmjjc
01-23-2012, 12:46 PM
Hello fofore,

When you are in a wakeful cognizant state of being and are with the ET who is also in this earthly awoken state where if mere mortal were to view you and ET, how would you communicate with this life form?

Do you speak the Asian or English language with them and do they answer such as in sounds that if some human was standing nearby would be able to hear? Have you ever seen them eat food? Do they eat it as we would through their mouths if they have one or some other way?

How about sex, did you ever engage in sex with them and are they even capable of sex as we understand it. How do they suckle their babies? Do they have sexual organs?

Are their eyes located in the front of their heads or to the sides say like a fish? Do they Die and would you be able to kill one of them if you so pleased.

I have actually been inside your brain to view the probabilities of how you formulate your logic per say.
Sorry about all the questions just trying to formulate an understanding of this entire insider talk you and ponti are having.

Just trying to understand a very complex subject in which you and ponti have informed us you have firsthand knowledge.

tl2
01-23-2012, 02:49 PM
Going to bite the bullet here as I have never said this before but I ALWAYS have a problem trying to read your posts Fore. It like my brain does not want to read them and my eyes just seem to scan through them until the end. Its not even the content of your posts as I usually cant get that far. Its like my brain switches off. I find it requires a great deal of concentration to read your posts. Its almost like I have some kind of weird block. Other forum members long posts, I have no problem with. its really frustrating.

Doc
01-23-2012, 03:56 PM
I have a hard time reading any long posts. Research I read about personals advertising said people won't read anything longer than five lines and that three lines is ideal. I know that specific research doesn't necessarily correlate to forums but I do wonder if it is only me. I am often told my own writing is very terse, which probably comes from my work. I realize that others have much more to say than I do in their posts and I am not criticizing them in any way. They might get more people to read all the way through if they stuck to one main idea per each post.

U.N.C.L.E.
01-23-2012, 04:59 PM
That's an interesting point you make tl2. I've experienced the same thing reading Fore's posts. What puzzles me is that I enjoy what I can comprehend and get a sense that he is kind, patient and good. I'm not usually inclined to "feeling vibes" or believing in such, but it's as if my brain is trying to censor his posts. Nice try brain, but that only makes me more detirmined. :)

Going to bite the bullet here as I have never said this before but I ALWAYS have a problem trying to read your posts Fore. It like my brain does not want to read them and my eyes just seem to scan through them until the end. Its not even the content of your posts as I usually cant get that far. Its like my brain switches off. I find it requires a great deal of concentration to read your posts. Its almost like I have some kind of weird block. Other forum members long posts, I have no problem with. its really frustrating.

A99
01-23-2012, 05:09 PM
I have a hard time reading any long posts. Research I read about personals advertising said people won't read anything longer than five lines and that three lines is ideal. I know that specific research doesn't necessarily correlate to forums but I do wonder if it is only me. I am often told my own writing is very terse, which probably comes from my work. I realize that others have much more to say than I do in their posts and I am not criticizing them in any way. They might get more people to read all the way through if they stuck to one main idea per each post.

You are correct about that Doc and as an instructor in Graphic Arts, even though technically I'm not an expert in advertising as that's for the "marketing dept.", I nevertheless do have to run through some of those often times unwritten rules in that area with my students because all advertising involves some kind of graphic arts to visually communicate what ever message in text is being conveyed in the advertisement. Graphic artists need to be very well read on such topics as that including subliminal messages too and such subject matters are an integral part of their training in the field of Graphic Arts.

Fore
01-23-2012, 08:16 PM
The only thing I can say is that I will have to make a better effort to stick to one topic during my conversations. Keeping the responses short to about 1 *regular sized* paragraph and attempting to break up several components of related knowledge into several chunks.

By default this will result in my post count jumping like crazy and perhaps a huge number of pages. If it is required, I can adapt to it. Though I cannot prevent people from experiencing after effects from reading my posts.(which I am also familiar with) <~5 lines

U.N.C.L.E.
01-23-2012, 08:56 PM
A99,
As a student of the graphic arts and graphic design, I must tell you that what Doc noted is consistent with basic graphic design rules as I have been taught. Another basic rule (in design and elsewhere) I have learned, is to properly credit the folks you quote, re-post or copy or otherwise borrow from... You need to credit John Lennon in your signature, "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans." Sorry for being picky, but I'm a student of the graphic arts and advertising."

You are correct about that Doc and as an instructor in Graphic Arts, even though technically I'm not an expert in advertising as that's for the "marketing dept.", I nevertheless do have to run through some of those often times unwritten rules in that area with my students because all advertising involves some kind of graphic arts to visually communicate what ever message in text is being conveyed in the advertisement. Graphic artists need to be very well read on such topics as that including subliminal messages too and such subject matters are an integral part of their training in the field of Graphic Arts.

tl2
01-23-2012, 09:12 PM
The only thing I can say is that I will have to make a better effort to stick to one topic during my conversations. Keeping the responses short to about 1 *regular sized* paragraph and attempting to break up several components of related knowledge into several chunks.

By default this will result in my post count jumping like crazy and perhaps a huge number of pages. If it is required, I can adapt to it. Though I cannot prevent people from experiencing after effects from reading my posts.(which I am also familiar with) <~5 lines

Hi Fore. My post was not aimed at the way you write but more about my weird blockage that stops me from reading them even though I really want to.

A99
01-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Originally Posted by A99
You are correct about that Doc and as an instructor in Graphic Arts, even though technically I'm not an expert in advertising as that's for the "marketing dept.", I nevertheless do have to run through some of those often times unwritten rules in that area with my students because all advertising involves some kind of graphic arts to visually communicate what ever message in text is being conveyed in the advertisement. Graphic artists need to be very well read on such topics as that including subliminal messages too and such subject matters are an integral part of their training in the field of Graphic Arts.


A99,
As a student of the graphic arts and graphic design, I must tell you that what Doc noted is consistent with basic graphic design rules as I have been taught. Another basic rule (in design and elsewhere) I have learned, is to properly credit the folks you quote, re-post or copy or otherwise borrow from... You need to credit John Lennon in your signature, "Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans." Sorry for being picky, but I'm a student of the graphic arts and advertising."

Thanks uncle! The place i got that quote from did not mention it's source... now I know. Also, I was agreeing with Doc.. as you know. Good luck in your training dear and brush up on your reading comprehension skills too... :)

Doc
01-23-2012, 11:44 PM
In case there is any doubt, I see this thread as a scholarly effort to arrange information and make some sense of it. In my field and others that is a step toward Theory Building--a worthy pursuit in science and elsewhere. Criticism is part of the process. Most of what I see lately here is well intended. My few words certainly were.

(4 sentences) :angel_not:

A99
01-23-2012, 11:48 PM
:bleh:

Fore
01-24-2012, 12:17 AM
@ tl2

I know what you mean, If you go over the old thread from OMF you will see people mentioned it publicly. So I am not offended if you tell me you are having a hard time. I will just adapt my strategy in order to make it easier or more favorable a presentation.

@ Doc

I understood what you relayed to me about shorter (and more to the point) postings. I do wander quite a bit because I am actively thinking about the subjects and pulling the information mostly from memory at any given time. I do not know how to "teach", I only know how to "converse" about the subject as if someone were to informally interview you about what went on.

The only structure my words have ever had was when the ETs have polled me about what I was going to relay on any specific subject. They would then engage in various efforts to reshape, dumb down or oversimplify my explanations as I blabbed. In some cases, telling/asking me to edit out or censor entire portions of what I wanted to re-express to others.

Fore
01-24-2012, 12:25 AM
The only structure my words have ever had was when the ETs have polled me about what I was going to relay on any specific subject. They would then engage in various efforts to reshape, dumb down or oversimplify my explanations as I blabbed. In some cases, telling/asking me to edit out or censor entire portions of what I wanted to re-express to others.

A real world example, is that when I wanted to say anything remotely sensitive, they would know about it ahead of time (even before I did many times) and would ask me to go over the subject by dictation. When they heard (or as they heard) the material to be discussed, they would put certain information as being out-of-bounds and/or very sensitive information. Some of them asked me to re-phrase entire presentations until it was satisfactorily bland and unremarkable, before the e-Pen ever touched the forum.

In return, they would assist me by giving me information on people and what I should avoid if I insisted in posting information about themselves.

At times, they told me in no uncertain terms that I was not to discuss an entire range of information for any number of reasons. I was then expected to comply with the decision. If I sought to anyway, they would damage my work and home PC by causing electrical shorts or severe software/hardware errors as they had in the decades prior.

Fore
01-24-2012, 12:34 AM
In return, they would assist me by giving me information on people and what I should avoid if I insisted in posting information about themselves.

At times, they told me in no uncertain terms that I was not to discuss an entire range of information for any number of reasons. I was then expected to comply with the decision. If I sought to anyway, they would damage my work and home PC by causing electrical shorts or severe software/hardware errors as they had in the decades prior.

If I was extremely stubborn, and decided to proceed regardless of how high the hurdle. They would then inform me that they were monitoring those whom I spoke with. Members would sometimes tell me in private that they experienced extremely unusual activity. Some said so publicly.

Often they felt as if the air became blanketed in something invisible around them. Others reported hearing loss for a number of minutes as they suddenly felt strange symptoms in the environment around them. Others experience sharp localized headaches. Others experienced night time encounters (at the extreme) or very lucid nightmares where a formless or formed individual alerted them that they should not ask or seek anything from what they are reading.

Others encountered secondary paranormal side-effects after a non-local projection. Seeing a spike in paranormal activity or noticing that their abilities were sometimes spiking as a result of the unknown encounter with something they usually described as a fearful intelligence. A few of the lucky ones, (like Pontif) describe physical encounters with parties. Others (like Dove) not so nice encounters with curious ET whom later alerted me to the event (within 24 hours) before she mentioned it.

Doc
01-24-2012, 12:39 AM
@ tl2

I know what you mean, If you go over the old thread from OMF you will see people mentioned it publicly. So I am not offended if you tell me you are having a hard time. I will just adapt my strategy in order to make it easier or more favorable a presentation.

@ Doc

I understood what you relayed to me about shorter (and more to the point) postings. I do wander quite a bit because I am actively thinking about the subjects and pulling the information mostly from memory at any given time. I do not know how to "teach", I only know how to "converse" about the subject as if someone were to informally interview you about what went on.

The only structure my words have ever had was when the ETs have polled me about what I was going to relay on any specific subject. They would then engage in various efforts to reshape, dumb down or oversimplify my explanations as I blabbed. In some cases, telling/asking me to edit out or censor entire portions of what I wanted to re-express to others.

I knew you would take it in a good way. What you do with the information is hard enough, teaching would be harder but teaching is a skill you could probably learn if you decided you wanted to go that way.

Fore
01-24-2012, 12:49 AM
Most individuals describe unknown intelligences or the sensation of a presence that is somehow momentarily affecting their body or their friends and family.

A few of them become close encounters. Many of them just become passive observation both from the perspective of the observer as well as from my vantage point. At times this passive surveillance can become active interference when members whom appear to meet ~certain criteria~ are considered a problematic individual or are a protagonist (of sorts) to further increase my involvement in the spread of that information.

The contactee's tend to (a number of them admitted it privately year ago) to sense a presence (usually described as fearful or ~foreboding~) behind my words. They tend to say they feel as if someone is watching them but they can't explain how or why. Others in that same vein have told me that they feel it is very false because their active ET handler has stated it is the case and that they should not read it any further. Two of these told me that they "were told" explicitly it was "lies" and were ?prohibited? from reading it.

Other people (the majority) tend to report that they feel a unique aversion that they cannot explain and feel that by reading the material or account that they have somehow become entangled in the mystery of the words. Many eventually dropped out saying they felt "something was very wrong with them" and/or something happened to them, but unfortunately did not want to talk about it.

A few have told me that I am "a liar" and "evil" based on what they read. That they support our "space brothers" and that my "lies" should not be allowed to continue. (These tend to be less stable individuals, IMO)

A number of individuals have said they experience "headaches" that appear and suddenly go away while reading. Others say they feel an aversion they cannot easily describe. Many therefore decide to lurk and later admitted they were felt afraid that many occurrences were somehow related to their reading of the subjects expressed in those threads. A number of you stated that you felt if you didn't participate actively that these "occurrences" would decrease.

I am not sure if this is accurate or true.

Fore
01-24-2012, 01:02 AM
A number of individuals have said they experience "headaches" that appear and suddenly go away while reading. Others say they feel an aversion they cannot easily describe. Many therefore decide to lurk and later admitted they were felt afraid that many occurrences were somehow related to their reading of the subjects expressed in those threads. A number of you stated that you felt if you didn't participate actively that these "occurrences" would decrease.

I am not sure if this is accurate or true.

The reason I say this, is because members do not seem to generally understand that written material is associated with a blind target. (In this case No-Name ET) it can cause individuals to focus their intent upon these individuals through an unconscious psychic connection.

Think of it as unconscious/accidental targeting. (Sort of like those used in RV)
Which leads to a "very weak" psychic bond.
Which an ET senses.
Which results in scans of the remote psychic connection being generated.
Which then leads to any number of human beings coming under evaluation to determine the connections nature.

I have said this countless times in private and publicly. But it seems members are lost when I say this. The 5 active senses of the body (peripheral perception) are not a requirement for remote targeting. A psychic human or ET does not require a direct observation of the target in order to form a line of association with that target.

In Plain English: In a simple sense, *you, and individual* don't need to be "physically spoted" for a high level psychic entity to become aware of a remotely located *you* bringing active attention upon them.

That is how some forms of RV work.

Fore
01-24-2012, 01:11 AM
I have said this countless times in private and publicly. But it seems members are lost when I say this. The 5 active senses of the body (peripheral perception) are not a requirement for remote targeting. A psychic human or ET does not require a direct observation of the target in order to form a line of association with that target.

In Plain English: In a simple sense, *you, and individual* don't need to be "physically spoted" for a high level psychic entity to become aware of a remotely located *you* bringing active attention upon them.

That is how some forms of RV work.

In plain English, you can read an individuals association with other individuals.

So as an example, a psychic can sense people whom have read the material and formed an "invisible bond". I call these invisible bonds "A line of Association".

Even if they have never posted. They will still leave behind a trace if they unconsciously focus on the targets being spoken of but whom they have never met.

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A sensitive secret among the ETs is that these very bonds can be used to target a wide network of individuals whom the ET will never meet nor interact with directly. They can sense the network of individuals through their "psychic bonds". (A line of Association)

It is useful to track ~large community dynamics~ in different ways (up to hundreds of remote targets at a time). It is also used to build a sort of ongoing "mapping of consciousness states" that goes into ET reports on what the large number of individuals are thinking and believing.

Fore
01-24-2012, 01:26 AM
By the way,"In Theory", you can also submit doses of influence to any given individual you are connected to using the method above.

The ET are very good at this. I am prohibited from even trying.

So they can monitor a large pool of people, evaluate what are the right points to agitate and utilize, finally inserting "spontaneous urges" into several remote targets. Then prod them to commit to a course of action. All without moving from their ET chair.

I have observed as the ET have done this countless times. The "normal" human beings generally can glean there is ~something happening~ but really do not understand how it is coming at them nor why. This invisible tool can be used to pluck out 12 people out of a batch of 800 whom will be instrumental in a specific agenda being played out.

Some affected individuals can be reserved as support as the invisible "game" of influencing peoples behaviors and determination travels its course.

If there are "snags" as the event is taking place, the ET's simply compensate and readjust the situation with the vast knownledge and intel they have on lots of people. Everything from psychic profiles to mental profiles and inhibition.

During the application of these "games" of strategy, there may be times when "remotely influenced" individuals may begin to exhibit strange behaviors and stress from being increasingly pressed to act according to the prodding. If the individual fails them, they always have a backup.

When they are involved, things usually seem to be extremely coincidental, like clockwork, and very much staged.

Influence has a number of both positive and malevolent uses. It can help as well as hurt people.

U.N.C.L.E.
01-24-2012, 02:09 AM
I think tl2 understands... I'm not criticizing Fore's posts. I'm trying to convey my feeling that, at times, (to me) Fore's posts seem to be abnormally hard for ME to comprehend, as if someone or something would rather I not comprehend. The above confusion explains much of what I'm writing about.

U.N.C.L.E.
01-24-2012, 02:35 AM
I'm reading you loud and clear presently Fore!
Thank you!

By the way,"In Theory", you can also submit doses of influence to any given individual you are connected to using the method above.

The ET are very good at this. I am prohibited from even trying.

So they can monitor a large pool of people, evaluate what are the right points to agitate and utilize, finally inserting "spontaneous urges" into several remote targets. Then prod them to commit to a course of action. All without moving from their ET chair.

I have observed as the ET have done this countless times. The "normal" human beings generally can glean there is ~something happening~ but really do not understand how it is coming at them nor why. This invisible tool can be used to pluck out 12 people out of a batch of 800 whom will be instrumental in a specific agenda being played out.

Some affected individuals can be reserved as support as the invisible "game" of influencing peoples behaviors and determination travels its course.

If there are "snags" as the event is taking place, the ET's simply compensate and readjust the situation with the vast knownledge and intel they have on lots of people. Everything from psychic profiles to mental profiles and inhibition.

During the application of these "games" of strategy, there may be times when "remotely influenced" individuals may begin to exhibit strange behaviors and stress from being increasingly pressed to act according to the prodding. If the individual fails them, they always have a backup.

When they are involved, things usually seem to be extremely coincidental, like clockwork, and very much staged.

Influence has a number of both positive and malevolent uses. It can help as well as hurt people.

atmjjc
01-24-2012, 03:18 AM
Hello fofore,

When you are in a wakeful cognizant state of being and are with the ET who is also in this earthly awoken state where if mere mortal were to view you and ET, how would you communicate with this life form?

Do you speak the Asian or English language with them and do they answer such as in sounds that if some human was standing nearby would be able to hear? Have you ever seen them eat food? Do they eat it as we would through their mouths if they have one or some other way?

How about sex, did you ever engage in sex with them and are they even capable of sex as we understand it. How do they suckle their babies? Do they have sexual organs?

Are their eyes located in the front of their heads or to the sides say like a fish? Do they Die and would you be able to kill one of them if you so pleased.

I have actually been inside your brain to view the probabilities of how you formulate your logic per say.
Sorry about all the questions just trying to formulate an understanding of this entire insider talk you and ponti are having.

Just trying to understand a very complex subject in which you and ponti have informed us you have firsthand knowledge.

These questions seemed to have gotten buried in the pages. So a repeat. I need a basic understanding to query through your many posts to try to understand what you are saying.

tl2
01-24-2012, 09:48 AM
Most individuals describe unknown intelligences or the sensation of a presence that is somehow momentarily affecting their body or their friends and family.

A few of them become close encounters. Many of them just become passive observation both from the perspective of the observer as well as from my vantage point. At times this passive surveillance can become active interference when members whom appear to meet ~certain criteria~ are considered a problematic individual or are a protagonist (of sorts) to further increase my involvement in the spread of that information.

The contactee's tend to (a number of them admitted it privately year ago) to sense a presence (usually described as fearful or ~foreboding~) behind my words. They tend to say they feel as if someone is watching them but they can't explain how or why. Others in that same vein have told me that they feel it is very false because their active ET handler has stated it is the case and that they should not read it any further. Two of these told me that they "were told" explicitly it was "lies" and were ?prohibited? from reading it.

Other people (the majority) tend to report that they feel a unique aversion that they cannot explain and feel that by reading the material or account that they have somehow become entangled in the mystery of the words. Many eventually dropped out saying they felt "something was very wrong with them" and/or something happened to them, but unfortunately did not want to talk about it.

A few have told me that I am "a liar" and "evil" based on what they read. That they support our "space brothers" and that my "lies" should not be allowed to continue. (These tend to be less stable individuals, IMO)

A number of individuals have said they experience "headaches" that appear and suddenly go away while reading. Others say they feel an aversion they cannot easily describe. Many therefore decide to lurk and later admitted they were felt afraid that many occurrences were somehow related to their reading of the subjects expressed in those threads. A number of you stated that you felt if you didn't participate actively that these "occurrences" would decrease.

I am not sure if this is accurate or true.

Liking the new posting style fore. :) Nice and short and clear. Also the post I quoted really is spot on regarding what I feel when I used to read your old posts over at OMF. Its odd that you should mention headaches that come and go as I have experienced this when reading your posts in the past. But not recently.

pontificator
01-24-2012, 10:11 AM
So, currently “Red” is aware that he has an influence body that exists in the influence universe, but that his body does not have a physical representation in “Reality”. “Red” notes that “Blue” has the ability to control a physical body natively, but has no native awareness of “The Influence” or the influence dimension [consider it as a dimensional aspect of the universe as a whole.].

Today we are going to look a little further up the chain, and note that there is a conduit from their consciousness [“Spiritual Consciousness”] to a control point on their simple bodies. After this we will further examine the difference between how the control point works in conjunction with a physical body vs a non-physical one.

However, I will present you with the following concepts and definitions [which probably need correcting]:

“Lower Mind”: The physical nuts and bolts brain of the entity concerned; a composite of the Physical body and its influence counterpart.

“Higher Mind”: Although not fully understood it is a complex system that acts as a proxy to the actual consciousness of the entity; the “Spiritual Consciousness” [ where flying unicorns and sentient insects may live for all we know, it’s classic “here be dragons” country]. The “Higher Mind” links to the “Lower Mind” via an “Interconnect” and “Translation Gateway”.

“Translation Gateway”: Translates different types of reality between differing realities. The result being that something can pass from one reality to another and obey the other realities requirements. The result is not always desirable and can result in a stable form changing into an equivalent which is partially unstable in the other universe.

“Interconnect”: Connects the “Higher Mind” to an “Interconnect Centre”. “Higher Mind” influence is “Translated” into influence compatible with the “Interconnect Centre” of the target influence body. Because the “Interconnect” is essentially only producing one type of influence there are limitations to the types of entity that the “Higher Mind” will be compatible with.

“Interconnect Centre”: Interconnect Centres are Located at control points on the influence representation of a physical body, or the same on an influence only body. Their purpose is to take the commands sent through “The Interconnect” and map them to the influence system/body at the other end. In turn, “The Interconnect” takes feedback from the influence system/body and changes it to a format that will be understood by the “Higher Mind”.

Now, think on this, and I’ll get back with a short story involving “Red”, “Blue” and an invading force from another universe; probably “Green”.

pontificator
01-24-2012, 10:48 AM
Fore mentioned I'd gotten a visit some time back, thought it'd be relevant to that question set of your atmjjc

When you are in a wakeful cognizant state of being and are with the ET who is also in this earthly awoken state where if mere mortal were to view you and ET, how would you communicate with this life form?


Well, in my case I became aware that something was causing physical pressure around my temples when reading and checking Fore's material, something I had not experienced before. After a while I wondered if I might being read, and suggestions being made. So, I posed a few questions to myself about a few things, and checked my thoughts. One answer to myself seemed to be an empathic "no". However, that was not in keeping with the way I'd normally cognitize it, so I gave a rather long convoluted logical bollocking to whatever it was I suspected was looking in. This was mere internal thinking.


It was that very same night that I had a full-on physical encounter, a possibly irritated looking Gray, and a possibly briefly insulted "penultimate Human form/pinacle of human evolution" [as it called itself]


The telepathy was multi-layered [it was applying honour as an actual emotion, I was excited so I noticed both were simultaneous, and it was therefore applying control], I asked two questions "What are you?" after looking it and essentially thinking to myself "what the hell is that?!?" [It did not fit anything I'd ever read about] and "and the greys?" after it answered the first.


First answer was given simultaneously, and was heard internally as a perfect[no air-movement,timbre etc] male voice "I am the penultimate Human form/pinacle of Human evolution" empathy addition "kinship"


Second answer was "They are Bio-Mechanical Machines/Biological Robots", non-voiced "They are limited to purpose", empathy "Disappointing" I got the impression it was having to deal with them all the time in terms of fixing their mistakes, and dealing with the limits inherent to them. Given it would appear that I might have accidentally woken while one was working on me I'd vouch for that aspect.



Do you speak the Asian or English language with them and do they answer such as in sounds that if some human was standing nearby would be able to hear? Have you ever seen them eat food? Do they eat it as we would through their mouths if they have one or some other way?


I have observed consumption of liquid via a straw ONCE, no other observation of any other consumption method, but I should clarify it was a very young hybrid. In terms of the obviously Alien looking ones, they always used telepathy and nothing else [including voluntary body language.] I have always used Front-End communication in English, but have combined this briefly with some aspects of empathic understanding. I have not really been given that much of an opportunity to run a seriously interesting experiment in that area.



How about sex, did you ever engage in sex with them and are they even capable of sex as we understand it. How do they suckle their babies? Do they have sexual organs?


*Mock Horror* Good God man, have you seen what they look like?!? I assure you I'd need to be WELL out of it before anything like that happened, and I mean completely unconscious... As for young, I've only seen the young Hybrid, and those would have limited human requirements.


Apparently the Nordic ones are extremely beautiful, and would probably be horrified by the idea of attempting to mate with a human. I personally wonder why the other ones haven't caught on to that, as they seem to have absolutely no sense of aesthetics...



Are their eyes located in the front of their heads or to the sides say like a fish? Do they Die and would you be able to kill one of them if you so pleased.


The ones I've seen looked like they'd probably die quite easily if they allowed you to kill them, the bone structure and lack of skin movement would suggest a firm hold could be obtained, and a swift jerking motion would translate into broken bones in a very effective manner. However, that's only for the ones I've seen, they didn't strike me as terribly robust. Eye position was always front, providing them with stereoscopic vision.

atmjjc
01-24-2012, 03:28 PM
Thank you Ponti for your explanation of the life forms you describe and answering most of the questions that I presented to you.

As you are most likely aware that I too have some familiarity with the alien life forms you are presenting. Those questions were posed in all sincerity for I am comparing notes to experiences I have encountered with them for quite some time now.

I too have the same experience with pressure building in my brain starting from the nasal cavities working its way up to both sides of my head especially the temporal regions when a life form wishes to make contact. It is not painful but it is a definite pressure and at times it will give me a nose bleed.

Watch out for the grey ones they can and will possess you if it meets their purpose. The grey ones which you mention avoid me like the plague and will only communicate with me only through an animal that they possess, usually a bird.

Your observation of awkward movement is excellent. Their true form remains a mystery for they reside in a lighter density or atmosphere for a better understanding and when they exert themselves into this denser form they have trouble controlling their form and the grey entity you see before you is the most comfortable state for them. They are the main characters in the play not the human looking ones.

I can ramble on here Ponti but this is you and fore’s thread but thanks again and please due walk us through what you are explaining not all of us are familiar with you terminology.

Fore
01-24-2012, 06:58 PM
Moments ago I was "warned"...really more like threatened....by the same guy whom threatened me the last time while I was OMF and shortly before I resigned.

He, the [seemingly] supervisor class ET whom replaced my original ET group. Has demanded I cease talking about these events. If I do not, then He has said he will see to it that my financials takes a nose dive. (He will ruin me financially)

I believe it is a very credible threat.

As a person with common sense, and a great understanding of how they do things. I am asking myself if it is wise to push forward.

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In the end, no one will believe me anyway.

As I thought of this grim reality, in the last hour....before this old ET guy stepped up to the plate to finalize the threat. I was "Assured" by the [ET that spoke before him] that any attempts to verify or utilize my abilities to support my actions *will result in a direct intervention*. I was told a short time ago that *they will* come in person and personally see to it that or they will reprogram its influence functions so that it remains unconvincingly disabled against my control.

These are my choices...

I then (like always) started bargaining to see if they would allow me to walk away without any further problems. That if I cried uncle and ran for the hills would they spare me the financial difficulty.

As soon as I started rolling over and played dead possum against the cold but silent "bears"....

A different ET (one of the more benevolent ones whom support my activity to a certain extent) said that I should not be negotiating with these others. I immediately recognize his telepathic voice and his influence pattern from not so long ago. He was "that guy" one night whom was right above me in a large shaped craft about a year or two ago. I recall that night a Grey was sent to "visit me" in person and intimidate the hell out of me a few years ago. I recall my dog went berserk at the Grey presence. I recall this guy, intervened by asking me to have a backbone and not give in so easily. That very moment the Grey turned around from his approach and went back the same way he came. This guy is one of the mysterious folks whom support my activity. From his signature he feels like a Nordic-type like the advisor. They aren't many compared to the others...but they seem to somehow have an dis-proportional sway in how things go "up above".

I wonder if I am a shared piece of property between these two folks?

What spooked me out about this Nordic-like guy was that he and the other woman could hide their presence so damn well that they could literally walk right up to me before I would notice. That night that guy was right above our house and I didn't notice the craft until he seemingly ?took down? that ?effect? they use to remain completely unnoticed.

The Grey came after some of my (s)words were exchanged with the other groups of ETs. I recall I told them off. The Grey came walking across the street towards my house. With his phasing field set extremely low. So low I noticed him from several dozens of yards away from the front of my house. The Grey was making it known that he was coming. I recall looking out my porch window and wondering what the hell I was going to do when it got here. I recall feeling an overwhelming fear that...disappeared...when the Nordic guy interjected in the situation...I recall that my fear suddenly disappeared as if someone has turned off a projected emotion or sensation.

I know it is an intimidation tactic, but damn.....it is effective....even when you know what it is.

I recall I was wondering if I should run outside and bring my dog inside for fear that the Grey would do something to it. I was too damn scared (I say with deep shame) to go out there as it walked towards my house. I recall my dog was barking insanely right where it was standing. Even if it was not optically visible even my dog could feel it's intentionally powerful and overwhelmingly fearful presence. I recall my dog was yelping insanely from it. All I could think of was what going to happen to me this time. The last time it put it's face up to me and breathed on me.

Believe me, when you are that scared....heh *shamefully*...you'll do anything you are asked to do.

As soon as this Nordic guy from above spoke up, and basically told me to stand up for what I believe in, the Grey did a 180. And walked off away from the house as if he had been recalled. Which made me incredibly suspicious. How does an incredibly intimidating Grey suddenly turn around like that and then leave without rhyme or reason?

Is that a ploy? Whom recalled it? The guy above or the people whom sent him?


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Anyway,
This (Nordic-like) guy chimed in and claimed, as promised, they will defend me when I need it. Though I am wondering if this is a false choice between Bad and Worse....

It makes me feel confidence to go forward and say more...but at the same time...it makes me utterly worried if this isn't some kind of a mind game.

I recall many years ago, the Advisor *(my main ET contact) would talk with Nordics like this guy. She said they were members of her own original group. Usually very dry folks when it comes to talking. Some of them though were very human-esque in their attitudes.

What spooks me out, is that these people seem to have an edge that they others seem to lack. They can hide their presence and signature (and for that matter, their craft) to such a surprising degree... They literally walk right up to you and you barely notice it until they are within arms reach. I dunno what the story is behind it.

Sorry for typing too much, but the waters at my end....are none too calm...

Fore
01-24-2012, 07:04 PM
Thank you Ponti for your explanation of the life forms you describe and answering most of the questions that I presented to you. I am sorry I have not answered them yet.

I would like to make a few graphic presentations as to how the whole thing is experience from my end. I want you and the others to understand it as I understand and experience it. This way, you and the others, will have a door opened up in understanding some very rarely understood events that (I believe) occur day in and day out in most cases.

I want you to understand intimately how the influence can be utilized to sense "phased out" objects.

As well as why some research projects at SRI and the other paranormal research labs of the past and present actually work.

As well as how psychics throw off probabilities and the constants of physics (both large and small) to create observed phenomena. These explanations require lots of graphics to simplify understandings.

Fore
01-24-2012, 07:42 PM
In the end, no one will believe me anyway.

As I thought of this grim reality, in the last hour....before this old ET guy stepped up to the plate to finalize the threat. I was "Assured" by the [ET that spoke before him] that any attempts to verify or utilize my abilities to support my actions *will result in a direct intervention*. I was told a short time ago that *they will* come in person and personally see to it that or they will reprogram its influence functions so that it remains unconvincingly disabled against my control.

These are my choices...Strangely enough, for the record, the following lines describing the threats had seemingly been edited out.

It had HR tags around it. Not sure what HR tags are for? That part in red showed up as a long line instead of text.

The whole thing should read:




In the end, no one will believe me anyway.

As I thought of this grim reality, in the last hour....before this old ET guy stepped up to the plate to finalize the threat. I was "Assured" by the [ET that spoke before him] that any attempts to verify or utilize my abilities to support my actions *will result in a direct intervention*. I was told a short time ago that *they will* come in person and personally see to it that they will have someone remove my psychic influence structures or they will reprogram its influence functions so that it remains unconvincingly disabled against my control.

These are my choices...

Looked it up: http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_hr.asp


Definition and Usage

The <hr> tag creates a horizontal line in an HTML page.

The <hr> element can be used to separate content in an HTML page.

@ Admins

Is there a button on the editor for creating HR tags? If not, you might want to look at beefing up security.

Fore
01-24-2012, 08:23 PM
For the record, a "server glitch" occurred on January 20, 2012. The forums "Webserver" [the front-end] was unable to contact it's "Database server" [the back-end]. The cause is not yet known, the ISP I was told is investigating when I queried for further info. An effort to upgrade a software package was [apparently] successful to remedy the situation on the 22nd.

http://i43.tinypic.com/29cq3xy.png

http://oi40.tinypic.com/10gzb80.jpg

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/entry.php?26-OFF-LINE-6hrs-Jan-20-12-Minor-Tech-Problems

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/entry.php?25-TOP-Forum-Maintenance-on-Sunday-Jan-22-2012

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/entry.php?27-The-Last-Forum-Update-Went-Smoothly

It was shortly before that Admin Garuda posted my "Encounters" thread [accessible here] (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=5364&viewfull=1#post5364)that I have written over the last few years. Full of accounts of my personal experiences and observations. Hours just after that, I posted my own personal rebellious post (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=5386&viewfull=1#post5386) against my former ET associates. I affirmed I would stop adding to any conflict.

The server then went down for about 6 hours.

The outage was a "coincidence". Just like last time....

Edit: And I joked about the last incident on the 14th of January 2012.


[...]
Should be fun. LOL, I wonder if TOP will be as resilient as OM was? Lets test it and see...

P.S. Now that no one is watching what I say or divulge, I can say as much as I please. I don't know if you will come out unscathed though. Should be very interesting to talk without an editor actively working behind the scenes.

I liked the name you made for this thread as well.

Apparently, this server is going to need a few more strengthened bolts to keep up with the potential ET kicking it. Let us hope there is not a Datacenter explosion like the last one they brought to my attention before it happened. LOL. Should be fun, indeed.

tl2
01-24-2012, 08:41 PM
In the mean time...

I've uploaded a copy I had made of Fore's Experiences.

Because of the size (close to 900 A4 pages), I've split it up over different files:
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2007.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2008.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2009.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2010.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2011.htm

Warning: these files may take some time to load.

thank you Garuda and Fore.

Fore
01-24-2012, 08:41 PM
Edit: And I joked about the last incident on the 14th of January 2012.


[...]
Should be fun. LOL, I wonder if TOP will be as resilient as OM was? Lets test it and see...

P.S. Now that no one is watching what I say or divulge, I can say as much as I please. I don't know if you will come out unscathed though. Should be very interesting to talk without an editor actively working behind the scenes.

I liked the name you made for this thread as well.

Apparently, this server is going to need a few more strengthened bolts to keep up with the potential ET kicking it. Let us hope there is not a Datacenter explosion like the last one they brought to my attention before it happened. LOL. Should be fun, indeed.

For the Record,

On the 14th at night time, I was contacted by a Grey [with a small profile body] and notified (as is "normal standard procedure" in all my years with them) and told that my commentary was under evaluation.

On the morning of the 15th at approximately 11am. I was contacted again telepathically by an ET stranger whom cordially addressed me and told me that....*

....I was given unique freedoms. He answered a question that was crossing my mind. Apparently eavesdropping. It was a cordial reply that like before...he stated they were aware of my extraneous commentary made "on those devices". (The computers/internet)

The unknown stranger [an unprofiled ET], spoke and used English in a very rough way. He was not a Grey...but something unknown....that spoke very cordially. He did not seem to know how to use English properly. That much was obvious from his phrases.

*LOL, I just got another threat. I guess this means they are monitoring me on a moment to moment basis.

I thought I had resolved not to taunt them, but man is it fun to agitate them. (not that I like the results though when it comes back to bite me.)

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Anyway, enough about them, onwards to the topics at hand....

norenrad
01-24-2012, 11:13 PM
That's some strange company you have Fore. I can't help but be reminded of a few dreams that I have once in a while. Seems something is trying to control me, I'm afraid, but I step up and force my will with great effort... and it works. It's almost like taking my fear and blasting it outward away from me, it then becomes like a wave that pushes out from me and whatever was trying to intimidate me slinks away.

Very strange sensation that is.

Fore
01-25-2012, 04:21 AM
That's some strange company you have Fore. I can't help but be reminded of a few dreams that I have once in a while. Seems something is trying to control me, I'm afraid, but I step up and force my will with great effort... and it works. It's almost like taking my fear and blasting it outward away from me, it then becomes like a wave that pushes out from me and whatever was trying to intimidate me slinks away.

Very strange sensation that is.If you read back and go over the material I typed a day or two ago. You will see that I mention that my psychic structures listen to my consciousness. Whether it be the foreground part of my mind [the lower mind[ or the background "higher mind".

Whether people like me are asleep or awake, these invisible structures that people like to call "energy centers" (or in my lingo, influence structures)...it virtually follows through with whatever the express intent is.

Note: This is one reason why in my case I was taught to control my thoughts and emotions to a express degree. It does not matter if you are asleep or not, in people like me, it is actively listening to our ongoing ruminations "inside my mind" regardless of the state of your organic brain.

So when people like me issue "a directive" to turn "on" our ability or reconfigure psychic structures for a different operating mode....it obeys. We can control our body from both the inside and outside through these structures. Even through different states of mind. Whether awake or asleep.

The higher the active configuration and psychic activity, the greater the level of self control. It sounds inhuman, but try not to think of it that way. It is simply a result of these structures operating in conjunction within the body and the mind attached to it. (In this case, mine)

Fore
01-25-2012, 04:45 AM
People like me can also rely on these psychic structures interfaces with our body and mind directly to feed us information [in a consciousness feed].

That means even if I am asleep, the psychic structure will monitor events in real time outside our conscious awareness. It usually has to be set to do this unless your directives are extremely loose or undefined as to what it should monitor in terms of events.

Therefore, if an entity sneaks up while I am asleep, it will detect the presence of an entity and forward me that information even while I am sleeping. The psychic awareness of that entity in the vicinity is turned into a lower mind cognition of an event. (read: lucid awareness) In your own sleep you would become lucid and aware and feel the invisible cognition that some spiritual entity (or ET for that matter) is approaching where you are sleeping.

That entity, if it uses the opportunity to bond to my influence field and manipulate my encoded consciousness to create and manifest an avatar body in my sleep....I will be consciously aware that someone else is interfacing with my consciousness. As I will feel the exterior presence influencing the contents of my own mind. Through various controlling directives I can control the dream state itself and the part that the entity has gained control of.

Paralyzing or controlling its own emissions of influence.

It is not dissimilar than a short burst of mind control in reverse. Different, but the principles are the same. Like a reverse hack.

Most entities (depending on the level of your active psychic control and state) will balk and/or resist when they notice you have a "virtual hold" on them. From there you can read forcibly read their mind while they are struggling forcefully to separate from you. ~Ejecting~ their personally encoded information from your own cognition and its psychic structures is also not that hard to do when you have that much control and are active psychically.

It is less fantasy than most people imagine. When ETs paralyze their contacted individuals or put their bodies into an unconscious state, they do basically the same in principle. I have broken the hold of a Grey in my first face-to-face encounter using the same base principles they use.

atmjjc
01-25-2012, 01:43 PM
@fore


Originally Posted by atmjjc

Thank you Ponti for your explanation of the life forms you describe and answering most of the questions that I presented to you.




Originally Posted by Fore

I am sorry I have not answered them yet.

I assumed you and Ponti were joined at the hip:) and you share the same reality with the ET you speak.

So how would you answer the questions that I gave? I am curious if you share with Ponti the same experience as to the physical nature of the ET. :confused:

Fore
01-25-2012, 05:22 PM
He (pontif) has used some of the models I talk about and used them to his own personal advantage and/or research.

Through that application and research he has been able to corroborate at least a portion of my claims [in reference to the contact experience and some psychic experiences]. Originally, this was done by me in an attempt to replicate my experiences by sharing information with others. Pontif lives on the opposite side of the world on a nation island. So no, we are not of one mind or one body.

They only difference between him and the others, is that he is adept at absorbing and correctly understanding the expressed information (IMO and IMV).

IMO = In my Opinion
IMV = In my View

Understanding the material seems to be the core difficulty towards others picking up and using the information themselves. Some find it difficult to understand. I assume it is either a poor teaching strategy or that some people who start to learn experience unpleasant feedback. What Norenrad and Tl2 expressed as difficulty in understanding the information is not that uncommon.

Fore
01-25-2012, 05:47 PM
You should also consider that the material itself comes from non-human sources. The information itself may deeply conflict with traditional usage of PSI abilities among our earthly kind. The understandings are more readily understood from the ET mindset than from the human mindset.

You have to go through a sort of development camp and observe the sorts of core basics that are common of the ET sphere of knowledge and advances.

These accounts I have written are no doubt being received by the majority of regular people (even in the UFO community) as a form of apparent fantasy by one individual. These notions can be swept to the side if the ET leave me alone to my own devices and allow me to produce copious and ample examples.

This is clearly not something they are willing to do at this time. At least, for some of them. They are "concerned" if I set down the first keystone of their knowledge in a public community. That can affect their ongoing activity and their ongoing relationships with other human beings. Other groups will be unlikely to stand idly by while people are fed information they should not know...about what happens to them or that occurs around them behind the scenes.

If you teach me the strategy that works best "to help you" understand and that of many others. I will apply it.

Fore
01-25-2012, 05:48 PM
You don't understand this yet, but the knowledge I have in my head is ample enough to put a dent in their association with others. They are aware that if I make a convincing argument that it spells trouble for them and others whom have nothing to do with me directly. If I show obvious proof that this information is valid it will then spread elsewhere.

Knowledge of the "Keys and Lock" system is enough to make people start to doubt their own contact experience because it sounds eerily similar to what they themselves have experienced. When that doubt starts...ETs projects and their relationships with those they have contacted are affected. They have to go through more effort and apply themselves to "helping victims"...I mean experiencers...feel more reassured that the fabrication they made is good for them is still good for them.

The way their phasing field can diffuse and deflect light to create [apparent] optical invisibility is another thing they are worried about. They have their reasons why they would prefer people didn't find out which bands of wavelengths they don't deflect when in this state.

They don't want people to understand procedures and methods applied to the contact experience. This is bad enough to bring down the sledge hammer on poor old Fore. The more mystery the community lives in the better the chances are that their projects will end in a success. Too much information is bad for many ET groups. They have to deal with contacted or experiencer human beings whom get wiser to their games and applied strategies.

Wise individuals do not act predictably and often in unfavorable ways that is not conductive to their agenda. They require secrecy and strategies to conduct many events. It is not a profitable situation for the ETs (even the benevolent ones) if people find out too much about themselves. That is why the majority of the ET's whom most people remember a little bit about apply deep strategies of obfuscation and applied confusion.

The "Keys and Lock" system supports this. There are also many different others I might talk about....

Including how they make decisions amongst each other and when they refer issues to a higher authority than themselves.

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The ET's themselves are very predictable people. They operate by a creed of sorts. Whether they are more honest or less...they each have their own secrets they prefer we all didn't realize were there. If you know what the game is, then you know what is coming next. That is a problem.

Fore
01-25-2012, 07:07 PM
The ET's themselves are very predictable people. They operate by a creed of sorts. Whether they are more honest or less...they each have their own secrets they prefer we all didn't realize were there. If you know what the game is, then you know what is coming next. That is a problem.A good example of ETs promoting one belief system....they themselves put into the minds of people....is the Federation of Light.

I heard of Blossom Goodchild; I went to her site to investigate back when I was a member of OM. I contacted her via her blog after I conducted passive mind reading sessions to gather relevant info and "type" that she was. I found Grey influence patterns in her body as well as patterns I don't recall at the moment. I addressed her at the time and struck up a conversation.

My aim, was to accentuate the bits she didn't know about herself and how it related to her ET. I started prompting her to think. Through our conversation and posing of numerous questions, I was able to evaluate her situation and give her insight into her own experience. She started to realize there was more than meets the eye to her situation. She turned around and started asking her ET Group questions....they didn't appreciate it.

They tried to make her bend to their will by sheer promises and mind games of Trust Me. Eventually when they realized "whom was promoting her search for truth" they TOLD her I was lying :biggrin2: and could not be trusted. That wasn't good enough for Blossom Goodchild. (good for her)

She started to doubt openly. And her followers did as well as they saw me and Blossom having a rational conversation that made her doubt her experiences and what was really behind the curtain. She kept asking relevant questions at my prompting and at her own curiosity as I kept accentuating the knowledge she was missing. They [the ET at her end] became angry and perturbed with her. They (the Grey in disguise) started showing their true colors. Even her followers could not grasp nor understand why their demeanor changed.

The Federation of Light has become less about light as she pressed them and their words changed and they began to lose control of the situation. (LOL)

With the sudden change in the imposters attitude, many thousands of people including Goodchild was confused as to why they changed. They (Her ET) were promptly "relieved" of their position as Goodchild's better half. The ones whom took over were (as I actively scanned them) Humaniods. (of Nordic variety)

These were smarter, better liars. They also turned up the hypno-beams on Goodchild. Massaged her brain a bit and brought her back into the program.

In one fell swoop they turned Goodchild around (without a real reason) and got the show back on the road. When the situation stabalized, the Humaniod ET turned it back to the Grey ET whom were originally in charge. As if nothing had ever happened. Goodchild last comment to me before she banned me from her blog was that she felt I had her best interests at heart. But that she could no longer handle the questions or the information I was sending to her via the blog she had.

She was handled by more experienced people. I tipped my hat at the people behind that movement. A good [con] game was played.

Months later she was crying as they didn't show up. (is it really a mystery?)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm4v8ylAxTc

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This woman is an honest and good woman. A human being like any other. She was just *used* by less than honest Entities. Most people would think this was a lady whom was mentally unstable. The truth though is that this is repeated all over the world. This can be anyone.

The ETs have methods to work over even the best among us. None are immune because the research has already been done and models and methods already established to make people do what they would like. All without ever being present in person.

Go back a page and read my admission on just one tool the ETs use. I know they use it, because I was a part of it. I used it too.

Not to the same ends as them, as I am not even an 1/8 as crooked as them.

P.S. If you think that stopped Goodchild, you'd be wrong. Days later, she was picked up again, "treated" to the mind games once again, and she continues to this day without missing a beat.

When it has been determined that she is an expended asset, she will take the largest nose dive and none will remember her anymore.

This can be anyone. Be Fore-warned (pun intended)

All you have to do is be in the wrong place at the wrong time and in the right situation. The less savory ET will use anyone as a propaganda device. Even mere contactees and abductees with no audience. The community and the "Keys and Locks system" spoken about previously in this thread is their virtual theme park. A community of confusion where no one knows anything for certain...but they believe everything that is in their own segmented play pen.

Neuru
01-26-2012, 04:44 PM
Fore, If you don't mind, while I have a few questions that don't seem to have been asked in your original thread.


As odd as this might sound, you might want to check this: Looking Ahead: 2010-2015 (http://montalk.net/notes/looking-ahead-2010-2015). Specifically: scroll down to "Synchromystic Foreshadowing in Movie Titles." For 2002 / 2012 there are these, among others:

- "signs in the skies, celestial phenomena"
- "appearance of threatening object(s) in sky"
- "orbital disturbance"

You have written about two such events that (according to your Advisor, at least) will happen in the near future:

1. In your original thread you guessed that the "support center" vessel might look like a star from the ground (Jan 16, 2008, 12:29am) and that it will be made visible to everyone on the ground for a few days. (No idea where you said this but i remember this. False memory?) This is supposed to happen sometime before any of the factions discloses their actual existence to the public.
2. This post in your blog (http://montalk.net/fore.zip): Jul 20, 2009, 5:51am. An artificial object that looks like a comet from the ground. OMF member JakeReason speculated that, based upon the imagery you were shown, this object may upset the Earth's magnetic field and produce geomagnetic storms. Maybe it will also noticeably alter the Earth's axis/rotation? (To do this, it would have to be very dense or use something non-physical.)


Just in case the "synchromystic foreshadowing" holds up, this may well be due in 2012 or the first half of 2013. In the context of your near future timeline, would it sound plausible? For instance if Israel suddenly decides to nuke Iran in the latter half of 2012? (Possibly the precursor to the war of contracts.)

Neuru
01-26-2012, 05:19 PM
Also, early on in your thread (Feb 6, 2007, 5:24am and Feb 9, 2007, 4:33am) you wrote about memories from a non-physical / spiritual realm. 5 years later (i.e. now) how much of those do you still think were genuine?

Garuda
01-26-2012, 06:25 PM
Might be useful: Links to a backup I made of Fore's Blog.

- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_blog_2008.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_blog_2009.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_blog_2010.htm
- www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_blog_2011.htm

The last one, i.e. for 2011, is over 2 MB in size.

pontificator
01-27-2012, 10:42 AM
Both “Red” and “Blue” have bodies in the mirror of the universe, the “Influence” layer. In the case of “Blue” the body represents the physical body that blue has in the physical reality of our demonstration pocket universe. In the case of “RED” it has an influence body as well, but that body does not have a physical representation in reality.

Now, you may wonder as to why one has a physical body, and the other does not. Cast your mind back to the earlier posts, where the influence was described not so much as a force, but more as a pattern of definitions that described what was happening with that quantity of influence. With that in mind the reason that Blue’s influence body has a physical representation is because the influence making up the influence body also has definitions/programming/encoding for a physical manifestation. In turn the physical body is made of physical reality that has an influence twin, that twin intertwines with the influence body as well. This means that Blue has an influence body that is made of physically existing and non-physically existing elements. Non-physically existing elements would include the Interconnect and the interconnect centres.

Back to manifestation, think on that, when a quantity of influence gathers in one spot with a psychics directed command it will be a manifestation of intent [the psychic’s intent is used for the purposes of programming the influence, essentially telling it what to do]. It may not have a physical presence, but it can most certainly affect physical reality by manipulating its influence layer/dimension presence [Red essentially operates in this manner, programming its released influence, and the influence around it, to perform actions in its environment].

Now, “Red” is examining “Blue’s” interconnect, he notes that it carries information from somewhere else [the higher mind] to “Blue’s” influence body on several special points. These points are the interconnect centres, and they translate what “Blue’s” consciousness intends to do into programmed influence which directs the influence body to perform the intended action. As an analogy, I have a remote controlled car, I move levers on the remote control [my intent], a radio-wave is sent to the car’s receiver [conduit], the receiver translates the signal through a processor [interconnect centre] into actions that direct motors [physical body].

“Red” keeps watching, and sees that the interconnect centres take feedback from the body, translate it into the same directed intent format that the higher mind sent down the conduit, and sends it back via the interconnect up to the higher mind. It is at this point that the consciousness of “Blue” receives his feedback from his body.

Now, think how telepathy fits with this… telepathy is essentially when one individual sends programmed influence up an interconnect via an interconnect centre [the interconnect centre is operating outside normal parameters when this happens, and this is the reason why some people are psychic and some are not, they may simply not have the right “features”]. The influence has to have the correct pattern, so it is compatible with the target, and in order to read the target the psychic must listen in on the relevant interconnect centre by having a quantity of influence pooling into the target point. Interesting point, distance is not the point, if your influence is wandering around independently of your body then you can still get feedback from that influence if it is programmed to give feedback to you [via one of your interconnect centres with the nice extra features.] Think on the implications, and reflect on the fact that you can insert non-real thoughts, images, emotions and sensations into a target. Aliens do this quite regularly, and if they want you to believe you are flying around in space on a white unicorn with sparkles coming out of its mane then they can do so… more to come after you digest this segment.

tl2
01-27-2012, 01:49 PM
Fore, If you don't mind, while I have a few questions that don't seem to have been asked in your original thread.


As odd as this might sound, you might want to check this: Looking Ahead: 2010-2015 (http://montalk.net/notes/looking-ahead-2010-2015). Specifically: scroll down to "Synchromystic Foreshadowing in Movie Titles." For 2002 / 2012 there are these, among others:

- "signs in the skies, celestial phenomena"
- "appearance of threatening object(s) in sky"
- "orbital disturbance"

You have written about two such events that (according to your Advisor, at least) will happen in the near future:

1. In your original thread you guessed that the "support center" vessel might look like a star from the ground (Jan 16, 2008, 12:29am) and that it will be made visible to everyone on the ground for a few days. (No idea where you said this but i remember this. False memory?) This is supposed to happen sometime before any of the factions discloses their actual existence to the public.
2. This post in your blog (http://montalk.net/fore.zip): Jul 20, 2009, 5:51am. An artificial object that looks like a comet from the ground. OMF member JakeReason speculated that, based upon the imagery you were shown, this object may upset the Earth's magnetic field and produce geomagnetic storms. Maybe it will also noticeably alter the Earth's axis/rotation? (To do this, it would have to be very dense or use something non-physical.)


Just in case the "synchromystic foreshadowing" holds up, this may well be due in 2012 or the first half of 2013. In the context of your near future timeline, would it sound plausible? For instance if Israel suddenly decides to nuke Iran in the latter half of 2012? (Possibly the precursor to the war of contracts.)

Great questions. I believe fore said there will be 2 more false flag attacks, then a nuke detonation by which time everything has got out of hand at which time, E.T shows up. My best guess for this would be the 2013 - 2016 time period for all this to happen. However, I suspect fore will not be allowed to talk about this as he mentioned previosuly.

neverwas
01-28-2012, 06:34 AM
yes the kids are playing with bombs, so they are very liable to blow things up.
fore, did you read the book by Micheal Heisner that ScaRZ posted? Especially pages 50- 60, only a few days left til it's offline.

ScaRZ
01-28-2012, 02:51 PM
yes the kids are playing with bombs, so they are very liable to blow things up.
fore, did you read the book by Micheal Heisner that ScaRZ posted? Especially pages 50- 60, only a few days left til it's offline.

Fore......does need to read it if he hasn't. Save it to your computer and take your time reading it.

I listened to something yesterday that reminded me of some of Fore's insights into demons and dark forces.

Fore
01-28-2012, 07:52 PM
Fore......does need to read it if he hasn't. Save it to your computer and take your time reading it.

I listened to something yesterday that reminded me of some of Fore's insights into demons and dark forces.I am laying low for the time being.

I have some info I want to share about sightings and their particular oddities and why some things happen and how it related to what I have written previously....but the timing and execution are not quiet right...

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Please point me to the thread and posts as I am not sure which you are referring to. I am always available to read what ScaRz has posted.

ScaRZ
01-28-2012, 09:22 PM
I am laying low for the time being.

I have some info I want to share about sightings and their particular oddities and why some things happen and how it related to what I have written previously....but the timing and execution are not quiet right...

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Please point me to the thread and posts as I am not sure which you are referring to. I am always available to read what ScaRz has posted.

Here it is Fore. Be sure and save it to your computer before the end of this month.

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/Mythbook1stdraft.pdf


http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?279-quot-The-Myth-That-Is-True-quot-By-Michael-Heiser

pontificator
02-04-2012, 11:31 AM
[Think of this post as a primer for the bits to follow.]

Today we will introduce an entity called green, and make a few adjustments to the layout of the pocket universe [In keeping with the developing child theme.] Red will still retain its disembodied state, Blue will now look like a plasticine humanoid [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morph_(character).] We’ll have some simple trees, some simple grass, a pond 10 meters wide, a house built out of wooden children’s building blocks, 4 blue coloured birds, 1 Bee Hive, and 4 Cows + one Bull [currently all “alive”.] This will all be on the flat side of the Cone, which now has a diameter of 1Km, and the cone is now essentially our equivalent of a planet.

A mysterious luminous orb is somewhere, and provides a night and day cycle to the system, in the pocket dimension; it’s a big glowing ball of energetic carbon that has mysteriously fallen in from another universe. The glow comes from the decay of the materials from their alternate physical state, in their origin universe, to that of the pocket universe. This is an important point, and affects anything non-native to the real universe [If the entity concerned has not taken special precautions then it could irradiate anything it comes into contact with, as higher-order matter loses its extra features to various forms of radiation or actual matter transmogrification.]

Green is an entity non-native to the pocket universe, it comes from “somewhere else”, and will serve as our “alien” in the system while we cover “translation gates”.

Now, let us examine each of these things using previous illustrations, and add some additional information. None of the animals have psychic abilities in this setting.

The body of Blue is very simple, he has two eyes, two ears, one mouth, two arms, two thumbs, 4 fingers [one thumb, two fingers per hand], two legs, two feet, no toes. The mirror influence copy of the body has 5 interconnect points at the top of the head [two left, three right], one on each arm, one on each hand, one on each leg. The total amount of points is 11. He has no internal organs yet [That area opens up a whole can of worms you don’t need/want to know about yet.]

Red can now “possess” any creature or object in the system, and spends his time working out how everything works as something new happens. He periodically communicates with Blue as he finds something out, but I not quite sure how to “adjust” the influence body of Blue to “see” what he sees.

The Birds eat seeds from the trees, which stops them from growing out of control. They then deposit the digested matter onto the Cows, in an attempt to make an image of a giant bird. The Birds are always unsuccessful in this matter, as the Cows keep moving.

The Cows are also simple, but have a functional mouth which leads to a gut that changes the grass into soil, which is then deposited onto the ground.

All matter [usually soil] falling off the edge of the cone goes to the tip of the cone, and gradually the cone grows a new layer around itself in the same manner as a tree grows a ring of bark. The Cone gradually expands and thus the world of Blue and Red gradually gets bigger.

Blue now spends his days tending his cows, cleaning bird droppings from their backs with water, and aids them in their battle against the grass which threatens to grow too much. He sleeps in his small house of blocks when it is dark, and helps the Cows when it is light. During all this he contemplates how things have changed, and what Red has found out about their erratically changing situation.

Green, the entity from an alternative universe, is concerned because one of its students has lost a material sample somewhere. After looking around carefully it finds that it fell into a universe teleportation device, which had been damaged by another student falling onto it previously. The settings are mysterious, and that it worked at all is cause for alarm; perhaps something might follow it back and find their live and viable universe?

Not wishing to lose its position in the hierarchy Green decides it needs to investigate the target universe, retrieve the lost material, and perhaps gain recognition and a promotion if the found universe is viable. This is Green’s “Mysterious Purpose”.

The first problem Green faces is how will he find out the properties of the target universe? The physics will be different, matter composition will follow different rules, probes necessary to investigate the dimension might not even be able to be assembled using the right materials [think of it this way, in our universe we might need to make a probe out of ice and liquid mercury to get the right effects in the target universe. That’s simply not going to work, and if the target uses more complex features than our own universe we will have a serious problem.]

Green Starts by opening a gateway into the pocket universe, pushing rods of one material after another into the portal, leaves them for a while, and then brings them out. He notes how each material has changed, and gradually creates a template showing how the target universe treats the matter. He repeats the experiment with reactive materials, checking to see if a viable set of machinery could be made to function in the target.

Eventually Green determines that a rudimentary probe, corresponding to 4 of his 20 dimensions, could be made to function in the target, and that he must use materials that conform to a limited set of elements which exhibit minimal decay in the target. Green, highly intelligent as he is, creates a set of technological devices compatible with the target, makes a probe, and sends it in.

Red is wandering around the cone, determining how quickly it is growing in size, and then notes that the influence signature of the matter emitted by the mysterious luminous orb has stopped flowing past him. Red knows that in the current state of affairs that the cone will now be “dark”, and Blue will not be able to see anything with its light sensing organs.

In reality the day and night cycle requires much more inference on the influence layer; as the entities which reside there do not have eyes per se, and simply rely on detecting the influence types with their encoded properties. This does not mean that things do not affect entities on the influence layer, but that they simply have a different reality which they experience. They also have different problems which may cause forms of injury to their influence only bodies, issues that would not necessarily affect a physical being [highly “active” environments have this effect and the more entropy in a system the more damage an entity can experience.]

Green’s probe has entered the pocket universe near the student’s lost material sample, between the world of cone and its illumination. Because there is no universe transmitter [a physical object existing on both sides of the gateway border] Green has to rely on a physical attachment to the probe.

Through primitive three dimensional sensors Green examines what has happened to the sample, noting that it is decaying at a steady rate and not causing immediate harm. Green then examines the universe his probe has entered; quickly spotting that there is simply nothing there beyond a mysterious “world” orbiting the sample. Interested in what the sample does to the “world” he moves the probe to one side, watching as the sample bathes the “world” with its emissions. Green observes the “world” for some time, watching as it slowly grows, how it’s primitive inhabitants function, and how the decay of the sample has become integral to its ecosystem.

Because the observed universe is so simple, and because it is now reliant on the sample, Green decides that it will be an ideal place of experimentation for his students. In Green’s existence “ethics”, “morals”, and other normal factors that are expected by humanity, are simply different; remember this if you run into something from “somewhere else”, it might politely say hello, rip your arm off, and then put it back on perfectly; all simply because it will have no long-term physical effects, and the experiment would yield useful data [That the subject screams, freaks out, and lives the rest of its life in fear, is simply the subject being silly about a perfectly transient situation.]

tl2
02-09-2012, 05:49 PM
Where is Fore latley?

pontificator
02-10-2012, 11:32 AM
Not 100% sure at the moment, but judging from the way things have been "exciting" my end it wouldn't surprise me if he's run into a little bother. My general psychic field, which seems to simply be on these days, is also acting a bit oddly... even after days/weeks of doing nothing with it I can still use simple intent to activate the few things I could do before [I have thought, with inactivity, it'd all deaden like happened with Fore's abilities, but that's not happening... in fact, I don't get any pain when running a ramp-up test either.] Also, something, not quite sure what but it's a non-physical, keeps turning up when I try to go to sleep... thankfully it's given up on trying to force its thoughts on me...

Fore
02-10-2012, 07:23 PM
I am still here; I am just allowing some of the waters to cool down for a bit.

I have come to realize that even if I have alot of acquired knowledge, there ?appears? to be a serious separation or rift between what is common for me and what is common for others.

Some of the ETs whom were monitoring/watching me over the last few weeks have given me both constructive and negative advice about speaking out. Some of the apparently ~passive~ onlookers are (on rare occasion) are given to putting forth creative analogies that are mentioned as some talking points of familiarity. That I could use in my conversations to make it easier for other non-associated people to understand my experience better.

Some of those ideas are actually pretty good, insightful and helpful.

Fore
02-10-2012, 07:33 PM
While other [ET] whom seem to be self interested in more ways than one. Most of these rather negative strangers are made up of more or less the same individuals that were present when OM was shut down. Preferring to give very overt threats about my status and what can be done to me as a result of sharing any more.

I prefer to simply stay silent when a threat comes down the pipe and simply say little or nothing in return. I don't want to have any exchanges frankly speaking. I also don't like that "feeling" of being used by other 3rd parties ET whom are seemingly interested...for their own reasons. Both the Good and the not so Good are all in it for apparently their own arbitrary reasons.

I have come to understand in the last few months that these strangers "in charge of me" and those of unknown affiliation are playing what seems to be a private tug-of-war with the bits of knowledge they all know I understand coherently enough. More than once over the past 2 years I have caught more than one ET thinking thoughts of using me as a play toy of plausible denial.

Even the nice [and helpful] ones seem circumspect. Not all, but some.

Some of these exchanges shared during telepathy (and sometimes gleaned...through light mind reading them) are all about using me as an impromptu platform to disseminate a range of knowledge and concepts with an excuse that they can disavow me at a later time. Some of the ETs even think about and reference some weird notions I am not really aware of at this time. It relates to a down shift in gears...down the road with how they are dealing with the public perceptions of themselves. I got the inescapable conclusion that they shutting down the old running game they have so it might not really matter [as much] at this point.

More than one ET has thought of using me [in the back of their mind] as a throw away pawn. A person they can encourage to leak sensitive information gained through my experience as a deniable source (me). Then getting those directly responsible ET into trouble (or just plain old me into trouble).

When I asked different ET's about their background thoughts and what it meant, they seemed somewhat "surprised" that I picked up on that much.

Fore
02-10-2012, 07:52 PM
I recall an incredibly frank ET told me they were not "in charge of me" as a responsible party so it didn't matter to them if I leaked information about them. They explained they had an interest in what I could say in my unique position and they made it clear they had an ulterior reason for helping me organize my presentations.

Another one said that they only cared to speak with me just to encourage several specific conversations on topics they weren't allowed to explain or show through their own projects or what more than one ET refereed to as "official channels and exchanges". I was told that they were (deeply paraphrased) opportunistic and wanted to see the conversation evolve further in a specific conversation. They were there simply temporarily there looking in to encourage "my activity".

Another stranger [ET] mentioned (and I have heard this comment countless times from different ET) that there are multiple terrestrial/non-terrestrial onlookers watching to see how much I express from what I had learned from these ET over the years. More than one ET mentioned that while I (referring to me) may think some of the knowledge is bogus there are other human people [many ET claimed] whom keep a watch to see what was being disseminated in these communities I was a part of.

A number of ET said some flattering things too (LOL). I was told by multiple ET strangers and ET I have known for a long time that some of the topics I dealt with and spoke about in depth were still sensitive information in human intelligence. More than one ET (more often than not the ones that stress out over my conversations) that some of these topics put me on watch lists. I was told I should be more vague as a couple of topics I spoke about were still sensitive information among human-side organizations.

I was told even though their efforts were made to edit my stories for their content and specificity.

More than one talked down to me about how I made them look unnecessarily evil in my conversations and told me it was done for my protection against human sources whom they said knew what I was saying was substantially correct.

The ET said most of the edited content that I was allowed to post after going "through them" was generally (they claimed) on the level of classified knowledge from several decades ago. I was told I should not attempt to explain to anyone an in-depth analysis on how my internals work as the knowledge is of a highly sensitive piece of information that human side organizations glean information from. One ET said that it was my fault for expressing my urges to share. That international sources with less developed (or what they called ~unaligned~ projects) would glean enough concepts from my conversations to get insightful ideas as to what the ET are currently working on. Then they lectured me almost endlessly about how there are human people in projects associated with ET projects that would not like what I had to share openly for various reasons. That I should accept censorship as they doled it out on me.

Another ET told me [off]that I had no idea what the organizations were like both on the strictly ET, human and/or various joint efforts. They told me if I had my memory recall affected when I was hell bent on a specific conversation which they barred from happening....that supposedly it was "to protect me"? (I call baloney!)

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Point is, I dunno whom to believe or what is true about any of it or not.

I just want to speak my mind. Thats it. I don't really care who thinks of what or anything being said.

1) All I do know, is that the ET taught me how to develop and use it.
2) I used it extensively until recently.
3) I have shown others how it works....and it just works.
4) It seems more advanced than the psi projects used in the 70's 80's 90's. Etc.
5) If the intelligence agencies have info on par with this or projects that can reproduce capabilities like this, then most of what I relay is probably going to sound very familiar....I'd bet....
6) The ET's will discredit me if they have an urgency and reason to do so.

7) If they are going to seek to discredit me if they haven't done so already. If that is the case then there is absolutely nothing wrong with talking! At least that is what I last said some days ago when confronted with another idle threat.

8) Even if they pull my psi abilities right off from my body and/or impair my ability to use them when I demonstrate, then that means I don't have to worry anymore about using my abilities. They will actually be doing me a favor. So go ahead. Just remember, once you do remove it, it is unlikely I will be a usable piece of "living hardware".

9) I imagine that there must be other people out there in the world whom have said all these things by now. What I am saying has got to be repeated somewhere in probably better detail. I know I am not the only one. So there must someone with loose lips somewhere writing out the same sort of stuff as I am.

Whats wrong with talking about:
--How their phasing fields work?
--How they conduct themselves in their work?
--How they are able to do things.
--The sentiments, politics and future planned scenarios they have behind the scenes?

Guys, its not like anyone believes me, :)

Just let ole' Fore ramble for a bit about much of nothing. I promise it won't hurt to let things be.

norenrad
02-10-2012, 08:08 PM
Well, I would like to hear what they say other than what they will do if you say it. I would like to know who says what and who may disagree with what they say. If most people think this is all make believe, then what will any of it hurt anyway?

We already know they are there and we have a pretty good idea why they are there, so what's the secret? Of course, the names may have to be changed to protect the innocent and all that jazz, but I would like to know more specifics.

newyorklily
02-10-2012, 08:21 PM
Well, I would like to hear what they say other than what they will do if you say it. I would like to know who says what and who may disagree with what they say. If most people think this is all make believe, then what will any of it hurt anyway?

We already know they are there and we have a pretty good idea why they are there, so what's the secret? Of course, the names may have to be changed to protect the innocent and all that jazz, but I would like to know more specifics.

Ditto! I would like to know more as well.

Fore
02-11-2012, 04:43 AM
Well, I would like to hear what they say other than what they will do if you say it. I would like to know who says what and who may disagree with what they say. If most people think this is all make believe, then what will any of it hurt anyway?

We already know they are there and we have a pretty good idea why they are there, so what's the secret? Of course, the names may have to be changed to protect the innocent and all that jazz, but I would like to know more specifics.Well, one thing you have to watch out for when I open my big mouth to write about something that is happening away from the keyboard is that I am not looking out for the consequences that result.

I am just writing on a spur of the moment and without much foresight as to what the unintended consequences may be.

This is in deep contrast to what is usually protocol with the ET whom have been behind the scenes. In the past, almost everything was pre-checked as I was always told I had to go over what I was going to say. I'll keep my posts short and to the point as people seem to like this better.

Fore
02-11-2012, 05:27 AM
This "pre-check" editorial review of sorts goes like this:

-----Behind the Scenes-------

Step 1: You first get an urge to say something you know you shouldn't say.

Step 2:
A)You either wait until an ET is available to review the topic and go over the entire material that is intended to be spoken about.
or
B)They assign someone to "listen in" on what you are thinking about. Sometimes within minutes (or on rare occasions) days later someone notifies you what they want changed after reviewing your thoughts.

Step 3: You then have to wrangle with these folks on different topics you intend to touch on. They "tell" you to go over the wording of the as of yet unwritten post as you intend to write it. Then they tell you what to rewrite if not drop completely from the line of thought you will later commit to text.

Often you have more than one (usually low level) ET reviewing the entire conversation and asking you to detail specific points they eventually forecast you'll touch upon. Usually at this point they inform you of events you have no knowledge of in advance and either allow a watered down version to be committed or to drop the entire conversation altogether.

When it is "too sensitive" or they don't want a conversation on this or that topic, they tell you (order you even) to explicitly drop the entire thought of writing it down. It becomes censored if it ever makes it out of this "review process".

Step 4: They organize or enhance the range of topics and provide feedback on what you are about to talk about or write down.

Sometimes the ideas are very useful when they are actually constructive. Other times they limit the conversation to such a degree that there are tons of critical pieces of information to leave out before you are even allowed to bring it up as a topic of conversation.

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In the past, they added Step 5 and 6 which was steering the nature of the conversation behind the scenes. Making sure to phrase things correctly so that it doesn't cause issues behind the scenes where they are concerned. Meaning, Step 5 is usually where they warn you about you can't say in a certain way.

Like for example, you should never say that you have met them at a specific date, time and place as they say human organizations try to figure out where they are and where the source is coming from. They consider that a deep issue and it is a pretty serious one according to them.

Or they give you (rather reasonable) "boots to the ground" advice to keep from being added to a "watch list" ("raise a red flag") as they claim some of my wordings of events may make other people think I am involved in something which I am not.

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Step 6 is usually watching to make sure I follow through according to the content of what I am to adhere to.

They always know ahead of time if I will actually follow through or not. Sometimes I go farther than what was stipulated during the review process.

Anything related to the ET is required to be reviewed and evaluated. Whether it is an actual spoken conversation or simply a written post.

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If I try to go forward without the process, I get "scanned" hours prior to the event actually taking place and am addressed as to the situation. They make it clear that they have their "concern".

If some ET whom is monitoring what I am up to gets wind that I am being "spontaneous", they can make you experience:

--A sudden spur of the moment debilitating illness that will make you want to lay down as if you were having a stroke or heart attack or as if you blood sugar is suddenly incredibly low.

--A sudden overwhelming need to sleep.

--A sudden paralyzing forgetfulness overcomes you that paralyzes your thoughts on what you were going to talk about.

--A sudden and immediate failure of electronic phones, computers, or (on rare occasions) power and signal.

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These measures don't stop until they have "a word" with you about what your doing, sometimes in person, to correct the situation. If you agree they undo it within a moment. If you persist, they escalate the issue to someone else whom makes it clear that you have to adhere to their rules...or else.

(Did I make them seem kinda "evil"? I think I made it sound rather straight to the point, IMO)

Fore
02-11-2012, 06:30 AM
@ Pontif

I don't know if they release these kinds of films in your area. But I thought you might laugh a bit as it is right up our alley. (LOL)
Warning, Rated R content.

"Direct Influence"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVUa1VZqsU8

"The Discovery"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiiQoEm8wRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL8jnztGJyc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DMv5mR-NHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uZSvbuFNI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07EXNvuive0

pontificator
02-11-2012, 10:40 AM
I'm putting that at the top of my list!

BTW, I'll post a link to the local cinema listings, you'll be able to see if anything you recommend is on at the Cinemas in NZ. Chronicle is currently screening: http://www.flicks.co.nz/movie/chronicle/

*thinks* I need to get on with writing the next part to cover Mr Green abducting Blue, and all it entails...

Tabbori
02-13-2012, 08:22 PM
This "pre-check" editorial review of sorts goes like this:

-----Behind the Scenes-------

Step 1: You first get an urge to say something you know you shouldn't say.

Step 2:
A)You either wait until an ET is available to review the topic and go over the entire material that is intended to be spoken about.
or
B)They assign someone to "listen in" on what you are thinking about. Sometimes within minutes (or on rare occasions) days later someone notifies you what they want changed after reviewing your thoughts.

Step 3: You then have to wrangle with these folks on different topics you intend to touch on. They "tell" you to go over the wording of the as of yet unwritten post as you intend to write it. Then they tell you what to rewrite if not drop completely from the line of thought you will later commit to text.

Often you have more than one (usually low level) ET reviewing the entire conversation and asking you to detail specific points they eventually forecast you'll touch upon. Usually at this point they inform you of events you have no knowledge of in advance and either allow a watered down version to be committed or to drop the entire conversation altogether.

When it is "too sensitive" or they don't want a conversation on this or that topic, they tell you (order you even) to explicitly drop the entire thought of writing it down. It becomes censored if it ever makes it out of this "review process".

Step 4: They organize or enhance the range of topics and provide feedback on what you are about to talk about or write down.

Sometimes the ideas are very useful when they are actually constructive. Other times they limit the conversation to such a degree that there are tons of critical pieces of information to leave out before you are even allowed to bring it up as a topic of conversation.

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In the past, they added Step 5 and 6 which was steering the nature of the conversation behind the scenes. Making sure to phrase things correctly so that it doesn't cause issues behind the scenes where they are concerned. Meaning, Step 5 is usually where they warn you about you can't say in a certain way.

Like for example, you should never say that you have met them at a specific date, time and place as they say human organizations try to figure out where they are and where the source is coming from. They consider that a deep issue and it is a pretty serious one according to them.

Or they give you (rather reasonable) "boots to the ground" advice to keep from being added to a "watch list" ("raise a red flag") as they claim some of my wordings of events may make other people think I am involved in something which I am not.

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Step 6 is usually watching to make sure I follow through according to the content of what I am to adhere to.

They always know ahead of time if I will actually follow through or not. Sometimes I go farther than what was stipulated during the review process.

Anything related to the ET is required to be reviewed and evaluated. Whether it is an actual spoken conversation or simply a written post.

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If I try to go forward without the process, I get "scanned" hours prior to the event actually taking place and am addressed as to the situation. They make it clear that they have their "concern".

If some ET whom is monitoring what I am up to gets wind that I am being "spontaneous", they can make you experience:

--A sudden spur of the moment debilitating illness that will make you want to lay down as if you were having a stroke or heart attack or as if you blood sugar is suddenly incredibly low.

--A sudden overwhelming need to sleep.

--A sudden paralyzing forgetfulness overcomes you that paralyzes your thoughts on what you were going to talk about.

--A sudden and immediate failure of electronic phones, computers, or (on rare occasions) power and signal.

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These measures don't stop until they have "a word" with you about what your doing, sometimes in person, to correct the situation. If you agree they undo it within a moment. If you persist, they escalate the issue to someone else whom makes it clear that you have to adhere to their rules...or else.

(Did I make them seem kinda "evil"? I think I made it sound rather straight to the point, IMO)

Thanks Fore. I just wanted to let you know I enjoy reading your posts. I can relate to so many things you write about.

Fore
02-16-2012, 08:03 PM
Thanks Fore. I just wanted to let you know I enjoy reading your posts. I can relate to so many things you write about.That is always an encouraging sign.

I also wanted to tell people something they probably shouldn't know. In reference to the above (Step 5) they (The ET group I was with) usually took it upon themselves to give me background information. Sometimes very vague, but more often than not, detailed enough to gather a proper perspective on how to deal with people.

In other words, they would give me a [sometimes] relevant info on someone I met and where they were at a specific point in life. Usually this was done by giving me a psychic profile (like a snapshot of a persons personality and internal make-up) about whom they were and what I should know before engaging them in a conversation.

I had my own capabilities of doing that on my own, but they usually would do so that to keep me from talking with people blindly without really knowing them.

It gives you an idea of how much they [my former ET group associates] know/knew before anyone else does. And...yes, they frown on people realizing that.

If it was standard practice on my end, the chances are high that it is probably standard practice elsewhere. Just keep that in the back of your mind if you ever encounter another person like me or that displays a specific series of habits.

Fore
02-16-2012, 08:57 PM
There have been some recent developments.

Strange ones at that, then again, not too unexpected.

A woman ET addressed me telepathically last night while I was watching a program with my brother. I have noticed her before in the background over the years. I don't "know" her but I have witnessed her interjecting from time to time every couple of years in the affairs of the others in my ET group. Even when they Advisor was still around.

She informed me that she has supposedly established some kind of "preliminary arrangement" with the other ETs to keep the retaliation at bay for now. She said "they" were still hashing out the details. Then she told me that she might be the person I am to deal with directly....

All the while while she was addressing me I was thinking if this was an "Opt Out" situation? LoL she was definitely listening as she had responded by saying I had no real choice in this matter. She told me the others were still talking it over with her and the discussion was very preliminary. (Not set in stone)

She always had this air of authority. Though I supposed she is below the supervisor level. Call it a gut feeling/Strong impression from the way her mind works. As you hear her mind it feels as if you are talking to a commander or a captain of something. She has that strange mentality in her mind that someone develops after they have been in some position of authority for a while. Though I doubt she is even at the supervisor level.


Anyway, I didn't respond directly as I try not to "talk" back when they address me. But then I thought the following:

"What you really mean is probably not that I don't have a choice. It is that you want to Conn me into believing I don't have a choice and thereby automatically conclude going back with you guys/gals is somehow mandatory".

She responded by saying (i am a bit fuzzy on all the details) that I am expected to cooperate. Then she claimed rather strangely that I would need to offer an apology to my "readers" and offer a retraction of my statements and implications that they are being painted as malevolent or without scruples.

I am not kidding! She detailed for me how I was supposed to say that. She made a very convincing argument as she reiterated the message I should write. I also felt spontaneously compelled to follow through with that until I caught myself.

Then said that I was going to work with her....? I had no clue if this ET woman was being serious. But I didn't get the whole subtle points behind her demands until she finished what she was going on about. She stated she was going to be my cooperative partner in sharing information. That she wanted to talk to the Administrators of the medium where I shared information and had my conversations in person. She said in a strange vague way that she wanted to define their relationship with her.

???

That is an highly unusual statement coming from a group of ETs whom always seem to be more bent on hiding their identity and their motives. She really must be from an official mindset or a part of some other project. Her behavior...or should I say her explicit motives are radical to say the least.

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That is when I realized this woman can't be serious. She told me it was a preliminary and all the details hadn't been hashed out behind the scenes.

Then I realized what she was up to. It dawned on me...very disturbingly. She was trying to become the Advisor whom I had worked with for so many years. She was trying to dupe me into recreating the same situation that happened between ~14 and 8~ year ago.

This woman without a name, was trying to recreate circumstances from the past. I caught on, that whatever it is I am saying or might say....they want to control it somehow. This woman was (tell me I am wrong lady!) electing herself as the person to fill in the role of "The Advisor". The person whom could put the brakes on me.

This woman is offering herself up to be the "new" Advisor without actually telling me that is what she intends to do. That whole meeting people in person is only something the Advisor would have done if/when she got permission from the others.

What are they so afraid of anyway? Not like anything in my head can't be dismissed through perception management.

They are puzzling people....<shakes head in wonderment>

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There is something happening in the background that either I must be unaware of or they have a circumstance in the way that isn't entirely obvious to me.

Why attempt to do these strange ploys? Especially with someone you don't trust?

That doesn't make sense. Why would she try to recreate the circumstances of the past that I had with the Advisor? Are they that limited that they can't come on down and give me a sudden stroke and all of it would be over with ? The ET woman's behavior is puzzling to me. Perhaps I am too jaded to see the goodwill in that effort she claims she is doing on my behalf.

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At the end she told me after listening to my thoughts that I should know (paraphrased) "that the others want to do much worse". She didn't confirm any of my last thoughts. but I could gather I was probably on to her game. (At least I think so)

If they could have done worse, they would have. I don't doubt they want to.


@ The ET Woman

I just have a gut feeling that if I don't talk to you or want anything to do with "YOU" then something is stopping you. Either a circumstance or maybe something you want from me that keep you from making me a veggie on the spot. Maybe I am wrong...but your overtures sounds like someone hampered by circumstances.

If you or the others wanted to, you and I know very well know you could force me to do things against my will. That you restrain yourself probably indicates that some "issue" is keeping you from doing what you could very well do quite easily by force.

Am I seeing things wrong? Then I guess the next time you address me the first and last thing out of your mind should be the actual truth.

At least your [hopefully one day] predecessor (The Advisor) was pretty honest about alot of things. If you intend to make serious overtures, come in person. No phasing, paralysis, or other sorts of obscure protocols which diminish my conscious awareness.

What are you so afraid of? At least the other guy gave me a fake nickname. You don't even offer that much.

atmjjc
02-17-2012, 09:31 AM
@ Fore

Justa quick note.

Usually I become sensitive at the time with 1 in it like 11:11 or 1:11 etc and I am kind of use to that and I have no clue as to why I am sensitive to the 1 time but then there was something else… something unusual and it happened the other day, I got real antsy and a feeling of incoming messages with the number 4 it was 0400 hrs and I have 4 digital clocks that just jumped out at me and I took notice. I thought maybe it was some type of symmetrical symbol like a square or something on that order when suddenly I just started laughing because the only other alternative would be Fore.

So I give you a + 4, fore…lol

pontificator
02-17-2012, 12:21 PM
@Fore, I'll offer a hand there [*chuckles to himself as he thinks of several mischievous ways of doing this*].

How about this counter [they'll know it already, probably {actually... they'd be retarded if they didn't}] "Co-operation comes with a price, and a dog only gets it's treat when it does what it's master wants" "Pontificator asks that he be given almost unfettered access to everything he asks for {simply information, experimental details, concepts, and a "pocket" entity}, within sensible parameters"

Push that point, offer no compromise, and it should be fascinating to see what happens... also don't forget that they can't do anything if you maintain your belief in God. In all likelihood they'll walk away, and nothing will come of it. However, make sure you do it, can't work if you don't try it on ;)

Now, I'm going to be watching "Chronicle" tomorrow, writing some of my book, coding some of my experimental game engine, and going out on a date. Terribly spooky how well things go when you rely on God for defense...

pontificator
02-17-2012, 08:26 PM
Last night was a bit wild, not as wild as it could have been, but wild all the same. About 30 minutes after the above post I was still being read, and this was a pretty heavy reader [high-pressure field, but within the parameters of the current "new and improved" non-skull crushing one.]

However, that was not the interesting bit, my senses picked something up, and a very loud note went off on my left and sped away at quite high speed. Seems someone is definitely riled, and actually flew past my house [unless the stories of them running at extreme speeds are true] because that particular note only happens with physical presences [phased out or not]. Looks like a whole new ball-game is afoot, and these are active players... should be "exciting." For some reason their mentality when they do that reminds me of "speak softly and carry a big stick"...

neverwas
02-17-2012, 09:21 PM
Very simple question fore,
Why let them bother you or push you around at all ?

Fore
02-18-2012, 08:12 AM
Very simple question fore,
Why let them bother you or push you around at all ?I don't "let them bother me".

They just invite themselves uninvited whenever they want to.

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Imagine if you had "people" keeping tabs on you from afar.
Imagine that as "people" they are a capable of impressive feats with their PSI abilities.

Every person unlike them (like you: i.e. Human) is an absolutely open door to them.
They can do just about anything they wish as long as they play by their own agendas and leave behind no believable traces of their activity.
At the least extreme, they can remotely manipulate situations around a person to make situations *very hard* for someone.
At the outer extreme, they can disrupt a persons mind _for just a moment_ while they are doing something potentially dangerous. A few seconds or a few minutes is all they require. They don't even have to be present on-site to make it happen...hence there is no evidence of their invisible hand.
Many times they will tell you ahead of time when they openly threaten you what they are about to do. Then they do it. Then you observe, understand, and conform. Otherwise....bad things happen.

When you have had enough experiences with this, you ultimately understand that you have to worry about what they may do....and more importantly...what they are capable of doing.

I was present at the demonstrations through my childhood, teen year, and into adulthood. I witnessed (due to my recurring skepticismon) myself and other strangers whom I did not know go to various displays of their activity. With that knowledge in hand and copious explanations given by them on how they perform it, I understood enough to watch what I say.


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When I read someone say, "Why let them bother you or push you around at all ?", I realize the person speaking does not have a personal insight into these "peoples" and what they can do [to you or anyone].

Examples,

If need be, they can destroy someone financially.

--By finding the relevant individuals whom support that financial backing and messing with them.

A) Making these people "spontaneously" uncooperative or finding ways to remotely manipulate these people from a distance so they "destabilize" as an individual.
This could be your boss, your employer, your financial "apparatus" etc...

B) Turning people 180 on a dime to the point that supporting financial systems fall apart.

Note: Keep in mind that you don't have to actually do anything or provide a reason for any of that to happen. These "people" can manufacture delusions and paranoia by manipulating the spectrum of thoughts that people have inside them. (i.e. Your business partners)

Note: Once they are finished with the activity the people 9 out of 10 times realize that their behavior was abnormal and cannot explain why they behaved irrationally. They are bewildered by their own behaviors when these "peoples invisible hand" stops messing around.

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This is a good incentive (and a rather passive one) for cooperating. Opt-out is rarely an option.

Fore
02-18-2012, 08:25 AM
At the most extreme,

They can lead you down a set of situations (unbeknown to you) that leads you to difficult circumstances. (or a circumstance full of deep regret)

Which will eventually make you want to experience no further "regrets". So you decide to cooperate unwillingly.

Or you will have more regrets to adorn your life with....
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You must understand, at the very least, one very basic point.

Your head and what is in it, is not a sealed box. It is not behind a mental firewall.

It is an open box. Anyone [like them] can step into it and change or re-arrange the contents as they choose. To fit their agenda or to change your motivations, notions of beliefs, attention span etc.

Ufology is aware to a limited degree that this happens during abductions.
Ufology is [seemingly] largely unaware that this happens during the course of contacts.
But most of all, Ufology [in general] seems to be deeply unaware that these types of events can happen to anyone the entities focus on...even from great distances and outside of the classification of "contact".

Fore
02-18-2012, 04:43 PM
@ Neverwas

Can you imagine what you would do....if you had nothing better to do in your spare time?

What if you an advanced life form whom was antagonistic towards a lower/inferior culture? (Human beings)

What if in your spare time between assignments you reached out with some of your advanced capabilities to make contact with some ignorant native down on the ground? What would you say if you were not a perfect person with a good disposition?

You'd probably have a little bit of fun pulling jokes on the primitive natives. Some of the ET's do that and I have been a witness to some of it myself.

Some non-human people have integrity in their spare time, others do not. Like bored geniuses with a chip on their shoulder that they are of a superior insight they play games with what they consider to be....disturbingly....almost non-sentient entities below them. Not worthy of equal respect nor acknowledgement.

Some of them, hide behind the facts they know are technically true. They use these facts and their superiority to feel okay about doing any number of things to a native. They are not dealing with a person, they are simply dealing with "a monkey" or "a rat". A non-sentient (by their own standards) entity whom just happens to experience pain, discomfort or emotions but whom is not on equal terms with them as "people".

Some of them actually don't think like that. Some of them actually do sympathize and extend all the courtesy of actual friendship....despite knowing they are on a different level of insight. Some of them are...what I would call..."smart enough"....to figure out that the facts don't always make the assumptions to be true.

Some extend their courtesy and treatment even upon people whom they might readily recognize as "slow" or "less capable". They see beyond the facts they know.

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While others are not nearly as kind. And while they do not air this form of discrimination all the time or sometimes even in a malicious sense....some do. Some like to feel superior even if they are only three steps above you in evolution.

The point is, they can get away with alot in their spare time. As long as it is never traced back to them they can do quite a bit. It is only when they are conducting official business or duties they receive do they have to measure their responses in accordance to observing their operating rules.

If a superior above them tells the ET to make "the contacted" feel like a king, that is what they will do even if they think the contacted are less than a used cigarette.

If a superior hands them order to dispose of a contact or irradiate them to give them terminal cancer, many won't hesitate to carry it out as instructed. Some of the ones whom sympathize would probably offer a parting apology but still perform as instructed.

That is the environment some of the ET come from.

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If you want to get on an ETs case you should probably ask them if they have ever harmed anyone in the course of their activities near Earth.

If it looks like they have a lot of experience in dealing with human beings....that may be an uncomfortable/unsettling question. But don't worry, most will shake it off in half a heartbeat and then give you "no" as the answer.

Having a conscience is something some Project/Agenda Orientated ET cannot afford to have.

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Note: Some of the more Jaded ET eventually rationalize the facts they know into a more comfortable position. That they aren't dealing with people like themselves. They are simply dealing with lower forms of life whom [if they think about it] really aren't even all that conscious to begin with.

Some of the ET even get very annoyed when they are forced to confront a lower form of life because it is not cooperating. Some of the worse cases eventually use their own PSI abilities to perform extensive self-control to make themselves "numbed out" during the experimentation. At that numbed-out point I was told they can do quite a bit without cracking.

You know you are looking at a ET newbie when their superior order them to do one thing and they are slow to perform. Either that, or they are an ET individual who is close to cracking.

Some of the folks above do not have healthy work habits or a work ethic to say the least.

If you see mental/behavioral degradation in other contactee/abductee accounts, now you have an idea of why.

Those ET whom are unsympathetic from the start and believe you are not a sentient being can go very far. They are the ones whom can lie profusely and do so with a smile on their face.

You don't even wanna know the stories I have heard on what the hybrids go through. Then again, they are just "stuff" I hear from some of the ET in conversations over the years. Some of the conversations started after I lifted info off their mind and then asked them about it. It's the easiest way to start a conversation in an area they don't want to talk about. Some of them can get so uptight too when it is something they rather you didn't pick up on.

Fore
02-18-2012, 05:35 PM
One thing you can say to an ET to get beneath their armor is to make them a genuine offer "to disappear" with them.

I was told though that it is impossible and I was told why that is the case. The ETs supposedly go through regular evaluations using ET hardware. It was explained to me that it is almost impossible to touch the Earth soil if you don't pass the evaluations.

I was told by one Nordic that you go into a room where they attach devices and they read through your persona and thoughts evaluating you state of mind and different factors. Like a ~lie detector~ but much more thorough and in-depth. If they pass the regularly scheduled evaluations then they are allowed to continue in the projects. The devices I was told are like a screening device that measures a persons condition and thought patterns.

I was told it was a very rare event that anyone tried to defect. That some of the stories I might hear about UFOs conducting search patterns are not about downed craft but of personnel that supposedly defect and run away.

Then the nordic told me that even if someone defects they have methods to gather the whereabouts of personnel and recover them. They made some mentions of various methods. It sounds impossible to runaway.

That nordic also asked me when had I ever heard of an ET that ran away?

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Honestly, I couldn't think of any such incidents except of some Puerto Rican sightings of some strange creatures being sighted. The Nordic mentioned that these aren't runaways, Just biological experimentation and adaptations illegitimately performed by non-public human projects whom captured a few ETs years ago. The nordic claimed the non-public projects made attempts to piece together genetic components using gene sequencing from other natives creatures found on Earth. From the recovery of the bodies they have the nordic said these illegitimate projects try to recreate genetic duplications.

The nordic pointed out that (years before I knew what they actually meant by it) the sightings rarely had any speech involved during these incidents. She claimed the neurological/non-physical programming was not something that illegitimate project had any access to. (~?~)

The nordic claimed that the research revolved around using amphibian genetics and various animal genetics to fill the gaps in the tissue samples the non-public project had in storage. The nordic said that it was a non-sponsored type of research.

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The nordics then moved on to tell me that various governments had learned that detaining ET representatives usually did not work for very long as they would die out. She told me a strange back story about how some of the early human-like ET were detained beyond their scheduled departure during meetings that were arranged.

The nordic said the majority died after only a number of days while two died out after a few months and that it baffled the non-public personnel whom were tasked to keep them alive. She stated they eventually figured out that these specific individuals like herself came in a form that prevents them from staying for extended periods of time.

That their non-physical extensions and bodies were not fully converted to material mass intentionally.

She claimed after the responsible parties learned of that and other developments (she sporadically mentioned) they began to realize that they couldn't keep certain kinds of ET's alive if they delayed their departure. She claimed that it wasn't a biological issue that killed them after a time.

Then she told me a tidbit mention that in the 1980's (supposedly several decades after) the military in the USA retained/abducted 2 Nordics. She claimed the ET knew where they were being held but did not want to create an incident. Supposedly they were successful in keeping these alive. Though she said they never attempted the same again but didn't specify why. She also mentioned that a third Nordic-like corpse was brought on site.

She claimed during that time the two were interrogated and tortured to reveal information. She told me she recalled the reports as they were a big deal during that time. She claimed "relations were strained" during that time. But didn't tell me why that would be the case.

norenrad
02-18-2012, 06:24 PM
Some non-human people have integrity in their spare time, others do not. Like bored geniuses with a chip on their shoulder that they are of a superior insight they play games with what they consider to be....disturbingly....almost non-sentient entities below them. Not worthy of equal respect nor acknowledgement.

Here's my opinion of that; Just because they can, does not make them geniuses and it most definitely does not make them right. If they think they are so superior, then why bother with us at all? I say take a hike and go play in their own sandbox. I do not think they have the answers to the afterlife, of that I'm certain, if they did, they wouldn't be playing these silly mortal games. If they know of, have proof of and can contact the afterlife, then I might be impressed, otherwise they are in the same boat as us... technology does not impress me and does not make an honorable people.

neverwas
02-18-2012, 08:01 PM
I'd say "they" can make life difficult, but aren't there others involved that can make them miserable ?
We are definitely on a battle ground. They are not the only players, least not by what I've seen.

Fore
02-18-2012, 09:41 PM
Here's my opinion of that; Just because they can, does not make them geniuses and it most definitely does not make them right. If they think they are so superior, then why bother with us at all? I say take a hike and go play in their own sandbox. From what I can tell some of the ET are supporting an old party line from many millennia ago.

This is my current theory for the day:

I think it is all about a form of territorial colonial-ism. Rather than planting flags on foreign soil, I think instead they plant their genetic seeds and let it grow to occupy a world. Then come back later and claim the territory and people as their own. If they fail to hold the area around their new soil, the next conqueror simply wipes out the population and plants their own seed (their own flag).

I think the area we live in is a contested region of some kind.

One thing is for sure, there is probably more than one faction of ET going about this. They definitely want to replace us as the dominant life form by reducing our numbers and inserting a seed of their own. Similar in design but made from themselves (hybrids?).

I think we belong to another species that had previously claimed the Earth as it's own. While the now current territory holders have been busy learning what works and how they can adapt their own seed to work just as well.

This is why I think in ancient times ET's sent human beings out on missions to destroy foreign flesh. (giants? Nephiliam?) It is a grudge match with higher order forms of life who are hell bent on seeing if their seed dominates.

I think the current territory holders are made up of several species and they most likely want to get rid of the human population but first they want to research how we were designed and composed both physically and mentally. Then make their own copies that work "just as good".

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If this is the case then the old human population has to be brought to the brink of extinction (all 7 billion of us).

I don't think the current land owners are strong enough to repel the previous owner (upon which our genetics are based) so they are probably feeding us technology to make us an impromptu fighting force for them.

When we are brought to the brink they will have us fight their war by duping us with lies about our origin and our place in the universe. In the effort our population will likely go from 7 Billion to less than a few thousand as we fight our own genetic lineage in their stead under some proposed lie.

As the previous land owner will probably not want anything to do with a population of it's own seed that does not even trust or recognize it as the current owner..... It will probably be forced to turn an entire world into a desolate landscape. Then re-settle/re-seed the entire world once again.

That will take time. Which is a deeply effective strategy if you think about it. Turning mankind against it's real progenitors.

Anyway, thats the flavor theory of the day.

Fore
02-18-2012, 09:43 PM
I'd say "they" can make life difficult, but aren't there others involved that can make them miserable ?
We are definitely on a battle ground. They are not the only players, least not by what I've seen.The question might be is anyone on our side?

From what I am seeing all roads lead to a lake of fire. One way or the other. According to ancient myth [history], it is not the first time . Perhaps the 4th or 5th time.

Fore
02-18-2012, 09:51 PM
I'd say "they" can make life difficult, but aren't there others involved that can make them miserable ?
We are definitely on a battle ground. They are not the only players, least not by what I've seen.By the way, I don't see anyone whom is genuinely on *my side*.

The ones whom want me to talk seem to be interested only because they won't be blamed. That doesn't mean I won't have to absorb the consequences if you know what I mean.

There is one guy whom I think might be on my side. But I only think he might have a say because he "might" have joint ownership. The Advisor claimed many years ago when I was younger that two groups were actually in charge of me. Hers and the Grey Males had their own.

Is that true or false? I dunno. They seem to talk alot amongst themselves for there only being one ET group.

From the way these folks act in the background, it seems that unilateral decisions are hard to come by. I rarely see swift action which tells me something is holding them back from simply shutting me up quickly. It doesn't seem to be about hierarchy considerations. It seems to be about property rights. (it feels strange to refer to myself as property...)

There are mysteries that even I do not understand about their behaviors.

norenrad
02-19-2012, 12:01 AM
I don't think the current land owners are strong enough to repel the previous owner (upon which our genetics are based) so they are probably feeding us technology to make us an impromptu fighting force for them.

As the previous land owner will probably not want anything to do with a population of it's own seed that does not even trust or recognize it as the current owner..... It will probably be forced to turn an entire world into a desolate landscape. Then re-settle/re-seed the entire world once again.

2 Peter 3:10

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

Revelation 21: 1-2

1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.


That will take time. Which is a deeply effective strategy if you think about it. Turning mankind against it's real progenitors.

It's already happening and has been happening throughout our history, even more so today... it won't be very long.


Anyway, that's the flavor theory of the day.

That's prophecy.

Fore
02-19-2012, 11:47 AM
I just watched this. The resemblance is uncanny to what I just thought up hours ago.

I believe this is a part of the disturbing narrative that the future ET descending will use on mankind at some point.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v7RhgjOOjU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CKME2xgYq


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--rS_TfrFtc

norenrad
02-19-2012, 10:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--rS_TfrFtc

My thoughts on DNA regarding the video above are reflected many times in the Bible.

Romans 2:15

15 They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

Acts 17:27

27 God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us.

There are more examples, but the idea is there. Scientists tell us that they do not know why we have more DNA than what is needed to create a physical human being, but that may be wrong thinking... we are more than meat.

Fore
02-20-2012, 06:03 AM
Which brings up an interesting question.

Of whom flesh are the hybrids made of?

I have talked about this topic many times with the ETs and it is a question they dodge more often than not.

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Some of them explained to me (indirectly by implication) that most ET cultures have a divergence at some point in their past. The point where modifying their life design is seen as necessary rather than allowing a natural evolution.

Sort of like Eugenics.

eu·gen·ics
   [yoo-jen-iks]
noun (used with a singular verb)
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics).

Some of them told me among the ET they also experience problems that directly result from their "enhancements" down the ages. The one problem most cited ("quietly") by "the Advisor" is the sociological problems that arise as a result of various improvements. It was explained that normally a world full of ~transcendent~ beings can form groups that merge and form bonds telepathically. One or a "series of" Telepathic individuals within that group may become dominant because their train of thought are the most logical or ~visionary~ and therefore greatly influence others in the group to think and accept views extremely similar to that of the dominant individuals.

Formations of one particular train of thought grow based on whether the additive effects on non-aligned individuals are solid in reasoning and long standing. (deeply paraphrased)

Then I was told, and this is confirmed by various ET, that raises issues among telepathic societies of one dominant pervasive thinking pushing or limiting the activities of others. Polarizations in other words. She said that in her own culture (more or less) the idea of the "sound mind" principle tramples on individual liberty and only so much lee-way is ever given for individuals to dissent from the "sound mind" principle in her own culture.

Rather than the evolution of freedom she claimed it turned into a overall policy of "acceptable thoughts". With only a handful of contrasting dominant "of a sound mind" groups springing forth.

She told me that in other cultures the effects were worse in that the dominant force pushes forth militarily that all it's incorporated citizens share the same values and mentality. She said those culture wars were about the dominance of pervasive view points and self interests.

She told me she would like to be me having nothing to do and having the freedom to engage in any activity she wanted to do. (I was a teen back then when I had this conversation with her and the others)

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This may explain somewhat why it is hard to find "real ET" (as in born somewhere other than the Earth) whom are willing to part with the party line. I don't think they can afford to diverge from it.

I heard of hybrids and how they live and how some of them reflect more of the human condition while others are closer to their "benefactors".

By the way, interesting tidbit. One Grey told me a long time ago that they differentiate between hybrids and human beings when I asked why aren't they mistreated and subjected to various kinds of experiments.

Another Grey told me that they do prompt "the children" to become accustomed to handling people in various projects.

Another time I discussed with one of the Males (Grey) what kind of environment they have set up for them. A lot of dodging occurred when I asked that. I recall I was told that there are different "children". Some <cough>"more adapted"<cough> to certain projects than others. I was told they were not harmed but collocated (read: resided) in different areas to which they were attached as a group function. (read: they lived near where they were experimented with among the ET)

From what I was told in various conversations the cream of the crop are sometimes kept on the Earth itself in the anonymous.....

(being warned not to talk about that.)

.......kept on the Earth itself in the anonymous care of host ETs that supposedly reside in the countryside in human-like habitations. These are supposedly the best of the best.

Why on Earth or on the Countryside...???? I have no real clue. I assume, if it is true, that they are trained on how to live in a real earth environment and how to be like the men and women of the Earth. I don't know that, but I assume that must be the reason. (?)

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I was also told some of the ones whom are hybrid transients between projects suffer from depression and lack of contact with reciprocating entities. The Grey whom told me that told me they suffer from a lack of proper interaction. They also told me that they were taught how to behave properly but lacked the reciprocation necessary for certain developments.

One of the main thrusts of that conversation was wanting to met one. But when the supervisors heard of it I was told that wouldn't be happening.

I understood that I was probably seen as a black sheep LOL. Probably ask all the wrong questions and start a minor insurrection. (LMAO)

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Other hybrids I was told were shipped off to retention areas where they underwent education and were maintained as a populace allegedly. I was told a portion of the facilities were subterranean and others were off world.

I asked what of the hybrids that might have problems or birth defects. They did not answer that repeated question.

Fore
02-20-2012, 06:08 AM
I think the flesh of the body defines the characteristics of the individual.

The soul of the individual obviously adds alot unto that.

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What makes me wonder though is why one supernatural culture is trying to destroy the descendants of one Extra-terrestrial culture and promote it's own.

Are we dealing with a God or are we dealing with ET pretending to be something they are not.

I define God as:
--A supernatural awareness that was never born and always was.
--It has no previous Ancestor.
--It does not come from a previous culture.

Clearly a God cannot die. The question then becomes is do our Gods bleed and die? (or err the equivalent?)

pontificator
02-20-2012, 11:41 AM
*thinks* One thing to be careful of Fore, how hybrid does a hybrid need to be to be considered a hybrid? Additionally, where on that spectrum would you or me fit?

The reason I bring it up like that is that we have an uncanny synchronicity, but contact significantly different levels. However, I also wonder as to how much I am actually allowed to remember, as it seems far too co-incidental that I can just whip abilities out of the hat when given precise instructions. Actually, on that front I'm finding that I am observing events while my eyes are closed all too frequently these days... although it's like looking down a distorted tunnel, plus I need to be partially asleep [seems to be a threshold somewhere for it to suddenly work, but it does have full colour.]

So Fore, does it ever actually turn off? I suspect that when I followed the reassembly instructions for the internal structures that I might have done a bit too good a job of it... don't worry though, if anything is active I leave it exploring the intimate world of different types of glass [thought it'd be safer.] On another front I've also found Sodalite affects the structures around my head, so I have a particularly nice orb of it sitting next to my bed [was looking at a crystal museum, they had a particularly large shop with a massive variety of minerals, and I noticed both sodalite and azure had an effect]. I figured if it affected me then it'd affect other things... although it's more of a curiosity really.

Oh, and as regards post #197, be careful in that the grand deception is probably getting around. Don't forget, you can actually ask and get an answer [which I'd be keen to hear], as this is starting to fall into the realm of "need to know" as it affects us all really.

Fore
02-20-2012, 07:39 PM
The woman ET is apparently serious and to the point.

Several things have happened in that last few days that make me concerned about keeping my distance (if that is even a possibility).

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On one front I have this ET woman whom has a low-level captain-esque kind of feel to her mind. Like she belongs to some sort of federation or something. "That kind" of sense in her personality and mentality.

She is playing some sort of role of a mediator or a stop-gap (so she claims) for the people in charge whom she says want to do me harm if they had their way. She doesn't tell me much of anything about herself or whom she represents other than she is negotiating on my behalf. She said that I needed to offer some kind of proof that I can be reasoned with.

She outlined that if the negotiation are to be successful I need to show that I can be reasoned with and that there is some kind of leverage for them to control the flow of information. She then offered herself in that role and capacity. ?

Then states that as a consequence of her participation she wants to talk to the administrators directly and in person. A lofty claim in my eyes as everyone I know is usually only doing that as a last resort. She is presenting it as a first resort....strange lady. Either way, I roll my eyes when they say that.

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So I have my [deep] reservations about even talking to them. So I put forth a condition that I thought the woman would not go along with. "Meet me in person and we will discuss it. No tricks of the mind or anything approaching perceptions control."

Well, I was approached. I can't say when as I was told not to mention it if I really want to meet in person. But someone started to use the protocols I witnessed more than once and am intimately familiar with.

Specifically, the protocols to control someones perception [of an event] that is established before they step through the doorway or risk being seen physically in appearance.

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As I laid down to get a nap out of the way, I hadn't even closed my eyes yet when I noticed a strange static influence sensation that was familiar to me. It makes you feel strange and it is a funny/odd sensation. I jolted to attention knowing one of them was coming as it developed. I felt my abilities reawakening all at once.

But seconds after it started under someones elses control it immediately stopped. I assume they noticed that I noticed it.

I started measuring the various PSI talents I had felt coming up to their normal level and noticed that at the same time someone noticed because the static dissipated almost immediately and then all of my abilities went dormant again at the same time. As if someone had intended to test if they still worked and then when that was determined it was put to it's off position.

In fact as I write this, I recall a similar incident with a woman ET whom was wondering about about 2 years ago and roughly the same happened then. (I think)

I noticed I couldn't sense anyone nor did the air feel strange in any way. I asked telepathically whom it was and to identify themselves. I got no response.

I tried to turn on my own abilities again and noticed that whomever turned them on momentarily didn't completely shut them down properly. Several minutes passed as I tried to create a bubble of influence around the room to see if anyone was invisibly close by. As I know the ETs cannot use this particular version of control if they are not within a close distance.

Then I heard that womans voice respond after I thought of reporting the incident.

She stated that if I wanted to have a person to person conversation I would need to not reiterate all the happenings around me. That visitations were best done with secrecy.

I just realized though that she just broke the most obvious demand I made. I told her not to instate the various protocols for direct contact as a stipulation. She didn't follow through. Very disappointing.

@ ET lady

You must understand that if you follow standard protocols then you might be a Grey whom is projecting images or such. I asked you not to present yourself with standard protocols for a specific reason. This is a bad faith effort on your part as you know how to read English...I am sure...

If you want to be the valve controlling the information flowing out of me and appease the others you negotiate with. Then you should know that your predecessor (The Advisor) was far more honest and upright about things. She taught me alot. I am not nearly as ignorant as you seem to believe. If you try again, do so as specified. Otherwise, you are limiting your progress as "a control valve" and I will assume that you are not serious.

That is all I have to say, you should evaluate your performance with the others to ascertain where you dropped the ball.

pontificator
02-21-2012, 11:05 AM
*nods in amusement* They never change... too much reliance on established protocols, to the point it is as though they have seemingly lobotomised themselves...

You'd best give the admins a crash course in basic psi defence, but I suspect intelligent introspection will help more [It works for me more often than not, but only for a limited time.] *Leans back* as usual they are not saying anything about me, which means that I am no "threat", strangely comforting in some ways.

Oh, while I think about it, I actually can give some insights on Grey appearance manipulation. It's a three-form process, and the window before they gain control is less than 3 seconds [3 seconds is an interesting figure, it is the precise time that it will take for someone monitoring you to gain a lock on your thoughts if you do something outside your established pattern].

Firstly, you will be awake, you always are, even if you don't remember. You will sense a wrongness nearby, and automatically turn your head to face it. This establishes eye contact, and allows stage two.

Secondly, it does not completely change its apparent appearance to fit a loved one, what it actually does [and I've actually seen it, very interesting to see in action] is to access your visual memory of an individual. This is not a photographic representation, and what it does is to overlay an approximation of the facial lines over its own face [well, greys have it down pat here, they are pretty much a blank slate in this regard] and include the eyes with colour in the correct position. This means you will get the mouth shape, eye-lines, lip shape, lines of the cheeks around the mouth and so on. Strangely they don't bother with the ears or the hair... This is all to establish the first stage of recognition, which brings us to step three.

Thirdly, using all the above it shoves your intelligence level down to that of a child and makes your emotions of attachment well up. It's seriously creepy when you think about it afterwards, especially when you go to hug your "mother" [Amnesia is usually from that point on, you may remember being returned or leaving the place you were in.]

Thinking back on my very first experience with a grey I suspect it was trying to use stage two, but it was too far away and my myopia "saved" the day for a moment. However, I could be completely wrong there ;)

@Fore, make sure you keep us appraised of commander "jelly battleaxe's" progress [yeah, I know the type, all in "I'll fix this all and show up my predecessors" hotshot mode. They usually make horrendous mistakes, so be careful.]

Fore
02-21-2012, 09:58 PM
*thinks* One thing to be careful of Fore, how hybrid does a hybrid need to be to be considered a hybrid? Additionally, where on that spectrum would you or me fit? I once brushed that subject with a Grey a long time ago when they were telling me alot of things I didn't yet know were actually true (yet).

The one that I talked to mentioned that if the subject was a failure and still perfectly normal they would supposedly allow it to stay with the mother if it was determined it would stay alive on it's own.

A little after that another one mentioned at the time that determining whom stays on the Earth after the modification depended on what occurred at the early stages of the modification or creation stages. It mentioned that it depended on what the results were projected to be. The vast majority are taken out of the woman and stays with them. (the short version)

The failures are either extracted or they are (if they are defective enough in a human sense) they are left to grow to full term. They never were explicit in telling me what extracted means. But....they were trying to keep their image up in front of me.

I don't recall whom it was exactly (if Grey or if it was the Advisor) stated a long time ago that in very rare circumstances (population wise) they allowed the rare individual to live on the Earth itself within the bounds of custody. (somewhat paraphrased for English sake) They only really explained to me that some are unique enough in their biology that they are capable of allowing them to survive with the [human] parents.

I recall I was told they use those unique hybrids for "exploratory purposes" to figure out what happens in an actual normal environment with normal interaction and normal parents.

One Grey I recall explained that the hybrids have genetic flaws that requires specific nutrition that they cannot produce in their own bodies. Followed by a brief chemical and genetic exposition on flaws. A subtle explanation from which I gathered that [some hybrids] have some kind of "need" that they need to have put into them. That a portion of the hybrid population requires a special kind of nutrient that isn't available in the foods we eat.

I don't recall all the specifics. Though I think it was a white substance or was it a pasty doe like substance? I honestly do not recall completely.

I think they eat it through their food.

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I figure it must be like how human beings have a broken gene that prevents us from producing Vitamin C unlike all the other animals on Earth whom have the unbroken gene.

What the Grey did not tell me is if the flaw is intentional or if it is an honest problem they were going to fix. That I do not know and I probably shouldn't speculate as they are sensitive on that subject on how I present it in front of people. Hell, I don't even know if that is true. I haven't heard of any stories of hybrids needing special supplements.

Then again...I think I did run across one story a couple years ago on OpenMinds where a woman claimed to live with a hybrid. The [human] woman was blind if I recall the story correctly. The hybrid had several kinds of physical difficulty and always wore dark glasses. I don't recall off the top of my head what the account was called. All I do vividly recall is that the woman recounted that the hybrid had similar psi capabilities in the accounts that were frighteningly similar to my own.

I wish I could find that story again.

If anyone recalls what the story is, please forward it to me. I would like to read it again.

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Though the "creme of the crop" hybrids are a population that is kept separately on the Earth (supposedly) in surface encampments in what they claimed are rural areas monitored and directly controlled by the ET's themselves....along with assistance.


What I mean by "assistance" is that one Grey with loose lips told me that the Hybrids get the full course training on how to pass for human and more. They are the best treated from the way the explanation sounded. They want for nothing. They are the over-achievers.

Most disturbingly the Grey whom mentioned it said in an oft comment he was making that they are given a very loving environment.

I found that interesting.

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So basically there are different populations maintained for different purposes from what I have heard over the years in different explanations. Depending on what the hybrid is graded as they are shipped to a different destination.

--The ones whom (I imagine) have it the worst are the ones whom don't make the grade and stay with the people whom put them together. Moving from project to project with no real proper interaction. (said from the lips of one Grey) These hybrids assist their progenitors in their projects and stay with them moving from project to project. Like nomads without a home.

The next best position is a total toss up:

--The Hybrid makes the grade but go to on-world/off-world encampments where they are educated and trained formally to pass qualifications of some kind. Dunno what becomes of those. That is a separate population. Orientated supposedly on intellect and the technical.

--The Hybrid is unique and passes for Human. It can pass most common [blood] tests that our human doctors can put them through. They are allowed to go with their biological parents and are test beds for how they handle life on Earth in normal development conditions. (very tiny population)

The best of the best:

--The Hybrid gets shipped off to a [supposedly] Rural area on the Earth and put into the care of various Aliens and their assistants.
They are educated and subjected to guided development in different areas. They get love nurturing and advanced education.

They are extra-ordinary and the gifted. What they exist for is anyones guess.

norenrad
02-21-2012, 11:08 PM
Sounds a bit like breeding slaves or a cast. They better be careful, someone up there doesn't like what they are doing.

Fore
02-22-2012, 01:02 AM
Sounds a bit like breeding slaves or a cast. They better be careful, someone up there doesn't like what they are doing.The only reason I even know about it is simply because I was cooperative for a long time in running their tests.

If you are "groomed" (for lack of a better word) they give you the necessary background knowledge you need to make you competent in your specific purpose.

I made a point back then of asking questions that had very little to do with experimentation. Fully intending one day I would be able to tell the story of what I learned.

pontificator
02-22-2012, 09:11 AM
Though the "creme of the crop" hybrids are a population that is kept separately on the Earth (supposedly) in surface encampments in what they claimed are rural areas monitored and directly controlled by the ET's themselves....along with assistance.


What I mean by "assistance" is that one Grey with loose lips told me that the Hybrids get the full course training on how to pass for human and more. They are the best treated from the way the explanation sounded. They want for nothing. They are the over-achievers.

Most disturbingly the Grey whom mentioned it said in an oft comment he was making that they are given a very loving environment.

I found that interesting.


I can understand that approach, the result would be a "poster child" that could be shown off, an individual who knew only kindness and benevolence from the aliens concerned. When questioned they would be able to demonstrate their abilities, and only relate that which they knew. Meanwhile the other project elements would not be seen, nor would they be able to be corroborated. Think of it as having a special population of propagandists, ones that can refute anything said to the contrary [We know that people prefer to hear good things of apparently beautiful and kind people, especially if they are helpful.]

In the background all the other elements could act in their own capacity as a workforce, one which could be allowed to die out when it had reached the end of its useful period [After all, what can they do if they don't get their vital nutrients?] I'm just taking it all from the point of view of cold-calculation there, but it seems a bit simplistic, and surely there is a bit more to it than that.

Fore
02-22-2012, 10:17 AM
I can understand that approach, the result would be a "poster child" that could be shown off, an individual who knew only kindness and benevolence from the aliens concerned. When questioned they would be able to demonstrate their abilities, and only relate that which they knew. Meanwhile the other project elements would not be seen, nor would they be able to be corroborated. Think of it as having a special population of propagandists, ones that can refute anything said to the contrary [We know that people prefer to hear good things of apparently beautiful and kind people, especially if they are helpful.]

In the background all the other elements could act in their own capacity as a workforce, one which could be allowed to die out when it had reached the end of its useful period [After all, what can they do if they don't get their vital nutrients?] I'm just taking it all from the point of view of cold-calculation there, but it seems a bit simplistic, and surely there is a bit more to it than that.Your either very perceptive or we have discussed this before years ago?

Whatever the case may be, you are a perceptive fellow. If I were you, I would keep my distance from these guys. They don't like that sort of quick pickup in people if the past has ever been any indication.

I haven't answered most of your questions because I am stalling to see what happens on my end. I think I should not be stalling after giving it some thought.

Lets get into the areas they _REALLY_ prefer we didn't openly discuss.

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Lets change tact. We should attempt to find third party accounts, witnesses, stories....claims that support my accounts.

@ ETs

This is me breaking that plausible denial agreement. Matching other experiencers accounts [in the wild] to increase the veracity of the statements being made.

Note: The next time the woman ET attempts to activate my abilities.... I am intentionally fore-warning you that I will memorize the process and use it on myself....if at all possible. That will then aide me in proving my accounts using my own abilities. Think it over the next time you try to pull a stunt like that. You were given instructions you decided not to abide by.

You are going to destroy my credibility one way or the other. I understand your position on this and I have some insight into how you will thanks to having heard your threats on how and what you might do to me.

So I will be arming myself with third party testimony and make it increasingly difficult to allow you to achieve that. I do so purposefully on the basis of your threats towards me.

If you find that an unacceptable position, I ask that you seek someone higher or "more capable" to assist you in the negotiation process. If you want to turn this around then you will have to work on a more benevolent trajectory going forward. Convince me that I am wrong about this without fear or intimidation tactics.

Any harm that befalls my family or associations will be intentionally magnified in front of the public eye. I will document it and share quite openly what was done to me.

Work on your benevolent strategy from here on out.

God, be on my side and offer me and my family safe harbor from my enemies. Seen and unseen. Amen.

pontificator
02-22-2012, 11:17 AM
Your either very perceptive or we have discussed this before years ago?

Whatever the case may be, you are a perceptive fellow. If I were you, I would keep my distance from these guys. They don't like that sort of quick pickup in people if the past has ever been any indication.

I haven't answered most of your questions because I am stalling to see what happens on my end. I think I should not be stalling after giving it some thought.

Lets get into the areas they _REALLY_ prefer we didn't openly discuss.

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Lets change tact. We should attempt to find third party accounts, witnesses, stories....claims that support my accounts.


*Suddenly has an image of Han Solo go "Woo Hoo!"* Actually that was based on a mixture of old stories in general print and a contrived plot I came up with... I actually thought it was rather bad, so didn't use it [Seems some aliens have no taste...]
So, if I'm a bit uncomfortably perceptive it's probably because I spend too much time analysing everything, plus following world events [I have this impossible aim of total information awareness, but it does mean I can go in-depth on almost any topic brought up.]

Hehehe... this is actually going to be quite fun, but corroborating everything is going to take quite some time. However, it's not impossible to do, I think I have several books that should allow me to combine incidents.

BTW: Should I run an experiment and attempt to cause a public supernatural incident? *half-jokingly* *notices that sparked some-things attention, which means it's viable*

Fore
02-22-2012, 11:18 AM
First 10 minutes:

References to:

--ET Interactive Hardware: The psychic capability sometimes needed to work some of the ET interfaces and devices.
+ Artificial Intelligence and how the pilot controls the various systems and directives upon which the craft works.
+ Genetics, Brain formation, Mental interfaces inside a person...and the ETs interests in exploiting human beings with irregular/unique neurological formations.
+ Cognitive interfaces [developments]


--Human Groups
+ Special interests in gleaning information on processes, knowledge of processes and interrogations for further information.
+ Manipulating the lives of such individuals in different ways. Financial, Approached for "Friendship", Surveillance [Ditto for the ETs too!]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mNVQd89omg

P.S. This is the first time I have ever seen the video. I am incredibly lucky to find these things so quickly. Sounds like all the stuff I was discussing.

Edit: They just became aware of what I am writing. I just sensed their uptick in awareness. Took them long enough....
Thought they had gone on a vacation or something...(joking)

Fore
02-22-2012, 12:01 PM
First 10 minutes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mNVQd89omg

References to:

--People being intimidated

--<Cough> The triangular symbol that means alot to some of the ETs. <Cough> @ 15minutes

--Undeground Cities with their own government body (heard of that wild claim from The Advisor) @ 28min
I guess it probably is true??

--(LOL) Discussed the same kind of old technology transfer that The Advisor mentioned. (@ 34min)
+ They give us a Model T Ford* and we are so incredibly happy about it like it is a new toy.
Like trading muskets (inferior technology) while they keep the high technology devices for themselves.
Very much like she described.

--Discusses how the information he reveals is cleared to be brought to the attention of the public. @ 37min
+ What can be said vs what cannot be said
+ "Leaks" are intentional. "Smooths" the way for later official stories.
+ Do not be surprised if the legitimate sources are "denied".

Fore
02-22-2012, 06:01 PM
Hello fofore,

When you are in a wakeful cognizant state of being and are with the ET who is also in this earthly awoken state where if mere mortal were to view you and ET, how would you communicate with this life form? Your question is somewhat "malformed" as your asking several things at once. Some of which I don't really understand your phrasing of the question.

What I think you probably want to know is what an average person would notice if they were in the same room during a face to face encounter. [No Phasing in the mix]

The person would see the physical Alien present and they would see me right next to it and right in front of them.

The observer [such as yourself] at close proximity would also feel a ~"strange static"~ in the air and an invisible force of ~"air pressure"~ permeating from the entity right in front of me. (assuming it has it's abilities set up to emit that intensely). This would be felt on a physical level. The observer would feel it like an invisible atmosphere surrounding the Entity all over as they would be close enough in proximity to the observer for them to feel the intense "influence" that emits from the Entity. Something which is emitting from it's body naturally. (note: Not all ET's are psychic)

At an ESP level they would feel a very strong [Alien Conscious] with a permeating force looking right back at them.
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The other aspect to your question ->I think<- you were trying to ask is what would a person see if the ET is "phased out".

It depends largely on what the ET does to hide it's presence. It may decide not to hide it's psychic presence from the observer...or it might let it all be very obvious to the observer watching.

Assuming it allows it's psychic presence to be noticed:

The person would not see anything in front of me physically. Though the entity would still be there and still be physical. It would just not be a standard observable person like I would. Think of it like a ~Star Trek~ cloaking type of technology. Only this allows the entity to remain invisible to you [the observer].

Your eyes wouldn't see anything unless you were psychically "aware" or "capable". You would notice the emanating presence still in the room but would not see a body physically in front you with your 5 senses.

You would realize something "is there" but you would not be able to see it with you eyes. If you walked up to it and passed your hand through it, your hand would pass through a mass of various kinds of "static" that is created by it's presence. Chances are somewhat high you would feel it with your skin if it made no attempt to conceal it's remnant presence better

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ET People like Nordics are usually more gifted in hiding their presence from human observation even while using the phasing technology to hide their bodies physical presence in the room. They (in my experience) usually opt to hide the majority of their presence from human psychics.

So they can walk right up to you and be beside you before you notice it.

If an ET hides their non-physical presence on top of their physical body by using phasing technology....it is somewhat hard to notice them.

With the phasing technology the ET can be right within a foot of you before you have a chance to react or notice them. By the time they turn off their "phasing technology" and "appear physically" in front you, they will probably stun you using their psychic ability. This is supported by various accounts I have seen in different stories where people are caught by surprise by an ET visitor whom is right next to them but in a phased out state. They knocks them unconscious before they have a chance to react.

And no, they don't billy club people over the head to knock them unconscious in case anyone is thinking something silly like that.

Do you speak the Asian or English language with them and do they answer such as in sounds that if some human was standing nearby would be able to hear? Have you ever seen them eat food? Do they eat it as we would through their mouths if they have one or some other way?

How about sex, did you ever engage in sex with them and are they even capable of sex as we understand it. How do they suckle their babies? Do they have sexual organs?

Are their eyes located in the front of their heads or to the sides say like a fish? Do they Die and would you be able to kill one of them if you so pleased.

I have actually been inside your brain to view the probabilities of how you formulate your logic per say.
Sorry about all the questions just trying to formulate an understanding of this entire insider talk you and ponti are having.

Just trying to understand a very complex subject in which you and ponti have informed us you have firsthand knowledge.[/QUOTE]

Fore
02-22-2012, 06:21 PM
@ Atmijic

The easiest way to understand Phasing is to recognize it as a technology.

Note: Some people believe it is a supernatural talent. As far as I know, that is not anywhere near the case.

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All you really need to understand is the following:

When you wear the phasing device on your body or step into a ship equipped with a phasing device. You turn it "on". Anything within the immediate periphery of of the device becomes slightly separated from the rest of reality.

When the device is turned on it emits a ~bubble~ that affects matter within the ~bubble~ and its boundary. (really simplistically explaination)

Whatever is in the bubble is isolated from the rest of the universe in small increments.

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That means an ET can change what kind of isolation the bubble provides from the rest of the universe.
He can (for instance) isolate the effects of external gravity present in the universe on the physical mass within the Bubble of phased out matter.
That means the ET suddenly becomes weightless as the effects of gravity can be nullified.
He can also cause oddities by changing settings so that he experiences time at a much faster or slower pace than the rest of the universe around him.
He can affect whether photon penetrate into the field and bounce off his body or his craft. Making himself/herself/itself invisible or visible to people observing what is inside the phased bubble. (bit more complicated than that though)

Most commonly, people would be familiar with the technology as abductees and contactees.

The abductees see it often when they see the blue light if the phasing field is being created from the craft itself and projected on location.

Or they can opt to use what they have on them (with no blue light) and simply walk right through the bedroom walls and right up to the victim they intend to abduct. In most cases the person won't be aware of the approach until the very last second. (assuming they are even awake to witness anything)

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Contactees would be the most familiar with it in terms of the "popping into existence" and "winking out of sight" without moving anywhere. Or as some people say, disappearing and reappearing in front of them without the craft or person ever having moved from their spot. Their ability to observe the ET or the Craft is the only thing that actually changes.

ETs don't have to move anywhere while they are invisible to the naked eye.

Fore
02-22-2012, 06:40 PM
A big misconception that people have come to me with is:

The idea that because the ET is "phased out" they suddenly become a ghost. (LOL)

No, they are still very much solid and real as you or me. They only become slightly out of synch with the rest of the physical universe. Their physicality has not changed.

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Phasing does not affect what is inside the bubble in terms of its apparent physical nature.

All phasing does is isolate whatever is inside the bubble that is being phased to a slightly different state in relation to the rest of the physical universe.

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Though there is a caveat:

Some Trans-dimensional ET use the Phasing technology to isolate their Trans dimensional body and form from coming into complete contact with the physical properties and tidal forces of the universe.

Some ETs can exist in a hybrid state for extended periods of time in our universe by never coming into contact with it's full enforcement of physical laws. For example, they might convert their bodies into 70% physical mass and 30% Trans dimensional properties.

By isolating themselves in a phasing field/bubble ( with phasing technology) they can feel more relaxed in the hybrid conversion of their bodies. If they attempted to phase into the universe with the full set of physical laws affecting them. Their 30% Trans-dimensional nature would begin to annihilate itself on contact or decay rapidly into the properties that the physical laws in our universe require.

Physical laws prevent any non-standard objects from existing within the universe. All ET have to convert themselves into this universe design to live here. Or live in a "phased out" facility that is self sufficient and isolated to some degree from the full effects of our strict physical laws.


It's all kinda complicated.

Fore
02-22-2012, 06:46 PM
A Trans dimensional ET whom doesn't convert their body properly to a standard physical mass. Will start to "leak" heat/energy/radiation immediately upon coming into contact with the "full effect" of physical reality.

Some ET are already converted to physical mass, so they don't have to worry about coming in contact with the full force of physical laws ordained by the universe and it's particular system of reality.

Sometimes (I heard) the Trans-dimensional ET create biological populations to do their complicated work for them. These biological beings act as a proxy made of matter and flesh. Fully suited to the job and none of the hazards.

Fore
02-22-2012, 06:52 PM
Unsure if this one is real or not. (Just searched for it now)

More or less it is what phasing is about:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWBBj1GiWBw

tl2
02-22-2012, 09:00 PM
Unsure if this one is real or not. (Just searched for it now)

More or less it is what phasing is about:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWBBj1GiWBw

Your last 4 or 5 posts have been great fore. So interesting.

Fore
02-23-2012, 06:34 PM
Forum went out sporadically in the morning (8:30am CST):

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http://host-tracker.com/check_res_ajx/9858863-0/

Garuda
02-23-2012, 07:00 PM
It didn't go out "sporadically."

It went out for 1 full hour, due a corrupted file on the server.

Fore
02-23-2012, 09:33 PM
It didn't go out "sporadically."

It went out for 1 full hour, due a corrupted file on the server.It is a good thing that that the error was fixed quickly. Lets hope these issues come and go just as quickly in the near future.

atmjjc
02-24-2012, 11:17 AM
Thanks for the explanations Fore, and what I am doing is a comparative subjective analysis of my experience with the ET life forms especially of the grey type to that of other contactees.

What I have learned so far is language due to our perceptual knowledge of how we form reality sometimes lacks an understanding of the phenomena of ET interactions and explanations of what we have experienced comes out okay in our understanding of our reality but seems oblique when using comparative forms while using verbal or written language to an audience who has their set experiences in their set reality.

Communication with ET is quite fascinating. My experience with communicating with ET and how they communicate to us is viewed in my reality as a form of behavioral manipulation rather than language based give and take scenarios. In other words you are not really speaking to the ET or the ET is not really speaking to you what is being formed is a pattern of some type of influence that works both ways sort of like a dolphin interacting with a human and vice versa, or you start talking to your dog and it wags it tail and you interpret it as an understanding of what you are saying and you think it’s happy because it’s wagging its tail and you continue talking to your dog but the reality of the interaction may be quite the contrary as what you might think as to the dog understanding but never-the-less you got your dog wagging its tail.

The internal dialog we think we are having with ET in actually we are internally interpreting it as language and we are really having a conversation based communication with ourselfs which in turn replicates certain outward behavior and the same goes with ET.

Fore
02-24-2012, 02:39 PM
The internal dialog we think we are having with ET in actually we are internally interpreting it as language and we are really having a conversation based communication with ourselfs which in turn replicates certain outward behavior and the same goes with ET[/FONT].[/SIZE]

From my perspective you are sort of right and sort of wrong at the same time. It depends on the context that you would like to apply to any given notion of telepathy.

I guess I should point out the differences on which telepathy is based on. As far as I know, there are ~nuances~ to telepathy (as a process) that most people who aren't experiencing it on a daily basis would really start to grasp in all of the shared complexity behind conducting telepathy exchanges.

Fore
02-24-2012, 03:09 PM
For example, in a sense, there are two forms of an entity such as an ET of keeping track of what is on your mind.

The first I should make is the different between passive and active observation of your mind and its contents.
--[Passive]

-->This is where it is simply watching another persons mind as it changes in it's content.

An analogy is like watching scrolling text on a computer screen. Except you can't control the scrolling speed or what thoughts are being generated nor accessed on the screen you are observing. You have to skip through alot of content you aren't interested in. Waiting for the relevant info to come across the screen and then reading it.

It is not directly affecting your mind (in an "involved" sense). It is simply passive observation from a distance.

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Context: An ET can simply listen in on your thoughts even if you aren't capable of projecting your thoughts unto them. They literally read your mind (aka Observe the contents) to witness your thoughts.

Fore
02-24-2012, 03:18 PM
--[Active]

The other form is active control.

This is where the scrolling lines on the screen (in the previous analogy) is controllable. You can query the person as if they were a terminal. The basic method is usually about controlling a persons cognitive hardware remotely.

That means an ET can query for information your not thinking about but which you do know as it is in your mind. Sort of like hijacking your mind and telling it to run queries against your memories and thoughts. It responds immediately with the information and it scrolls across the screen (as in the previous analogy).

Basically, [Active] mean that someone else is sharing active control over your personal mind.

Fore
02-24-2012, 03:30 PM
When an ET has [Active] control over a person. They can:

--Edit the content in a persons mind.
--Change neurological functions so that a person undergoes unconsciousness or an altered state.
--Can also suppress various levels of functionality in a persons mind.

For example, they might decide to impair a persons ability to think critically. Or they might turn suppress the numerous underlying functions that relate to face recognition.

They can even change the "thought code" that is running in someones head so that they are more vulnerable to later hijacking attempts. (Hypnagogic/Hypnopompic suggestions)

The ET can also do it while a person is fully awake and aware. The ET can also control the persons perception of themselves through this method of active control.

By changing the lines of code inside a persons cognition they can make it appear as if they are more human than they actually are. They can also add values such as the sensation of honor, gratitude, superiority, compassion, sympathy, etc.

These cognitive effects can be generated and imposed upon a persons living conscious mind...literally out of thin air.

As long as the individual subject is not aware that these are falsely generated and their capacity to recognize these effect is hampered, they will remain unaware even if it is obvious to every other observer.

Fore
02-24-2012, 03:49 PM
So telepathy should have a bumper sticker that reads:

"People/Objects may appear differently than they actually are."

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Moving on, the idea that conscious communication requires language is somewhat not true.

A person can understand a projection of thought (via telepathy) even if there is no strict language interpretation involved. Meaning that if I project an image into your head of a red car and me getting into it...Your mind understands the concept and the format of the presentation.

There is a human format in terms of "Thought code".

There are various non-human formats in terms of Alien "Thought code".

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If an ET uses a thought transmission that is incompatible with a _Human Cognitive Format_....the human with their specific type of cognition and interpretative skills...will become confused as their mind struggles to understand the format in it's own native interpretation.

The ETs brain and our human brains work in different ways. The human brain associates thoughts and ideas in one way while the ET usually different from us, use a different format of consciousness.

So for example, if instead of showing a red car, they used their own native consciousness to exchange the concept of someone driving off in a car, the human brain would [upon receiving it in their human mind]perceive the information but would fail to interpret the meanings behind the various conveyed telepathic meanings.

What results is an incoherent (to the human being) piece of information.

It results in the interpretation formed inside of the human person becoming known as non-sense information their mind can't make heads or tails out of it.

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Therefore, when possible, the ETs often use verbal words and expressions via telepathy. Because the human mind can (and is pretty skilled at) interpreting this kind of expression correctly.

Often with other associated formats a human mind can understand and interpret properly such as imagery, sounds, impressions of rational meaning behind an expression...etc.

Fore
02-24-2012, 04:21 PM
A "Psychic Mask" is a pseudo-persona that most ET use to create the appearance/resemblance of possessing a human nature inside of a persons mind.

It is usually created in order to facilitate genuine communication without frightening someone due to an ET's non-human nature. It is a tool to present oneself as a non-abnormal entity. (by human standards at least)

Often though it is used nefariously to create the presentation within a persons mind of a false likeness to human concepts of "a pure" spiritual ET or high benevolence status.

People open up easier (I guess) if they believe that the person on the other end is non-threatening or otherwise of a good disposition. If an ET possesses neither quality, they can always just manufacture the illusion that they are both.

Though the proof is in the pudding...

atmjjc
02-25-2012, 10:52 AM
You give a good example of what I am trying to communicate when you use the word ‘Telepathy’. We both observe the same phenomena, you call it telepathy I might use another phrase and call it something different from my perspective.

If we look into nature, let us say at the insects with their antennas and an assortment of physiological makeup as to how they detect pressure or vibration or how they are able to distinguish odor through hair or feet etc. like a tick which is able to distinguish the carbon monoxide of its prey it needs to feed on. These insects alone have so many different ways to communicate to their outside reality it becomes mind boggling.

To add or to go even further in trying to distinguish what the heck ET are up to then we must try and understand how they are put together and we can only do that by using are reality base understanding through are physiological makeup and how we communicate to their understanding. Now if we throw in the Cosmos, time, nature, function, means of travel, distance, physics etc…then you begin to see the scope of what we are up against.

But we do have a plus side—they, the ET, are on our turf and we know they been with us for some time, and they have weaknesses, and we are coming very close to be able to exploit those weaknesses.

Fore
02-26-2012, 12:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=TXcNfjv5zB4

Fore
02-26-2012, 09:18 PM
[SIZE=2][FONT=Century Gothic]You give a good example of what I am trying to communicate when you use the word ‘Telepathy’. We both observe the same phenomena, you call it telepathy I might use another phrase and call it something different from my perspective. Thanks.



To add or to go even further in trying to distinguish what the heck ET are up to then we must try and understand how they are put together and we can only do that by using are reality base understanding through are physiological makeup and how we communicate to their understanding. Now if we throw in the Cosmos, time, nature, function, means of travel, distance, physics etc…then you begin to see the scope of what we are up against. I agree with you that if you learn about, understand and incorporate information about how the ETs operate or what they do or whom they are....then yes, you will be better off than someone whom has never bothered to learn about this.


But we do have a plus side—they, the ET, are on our turf and we know they been with us for some time, and they have weaknesses, and we are coming very close to be able to exploit those weaknessesWell you are optimistic.

I would like to poll you in the near future after I have explored several different pieces of information and see if you think that just them being on our "turf" really offer much value.

Fore
02-26-2012, 10:09 PM
First lets talk about what are some of the capacities of psi perception they posses and why any of it even matters. I'll keep it short and to the point.

You should keep in the back of you mind while reading --->the following claims<-- I am going to make, that I did possess similar abilities as they did while my abilities were active. My abilities were active for ~about 25 years~ up until just recently. My Psi abilities increased every year after age 5. I cannot recall before that point...but I assume they were as active even before that age. I was involved in testing and experimentation of those abilities and that is how I developed as the years progressed. The person whom was in charge of overseeing my activity were (directly) 3 greys (3 to 4.5 feet tall) and 1 Nordic I called the Advisor.

3 Greys
1 Nordic

Indirectly involved were too many to count over the years. But the 3 Greys had their own Supervisors and the Nordic had her own Supervisor. She often took orders on what to perform next from the Grey Supervisors.

I have also heard from the other ET groups whom were also associated with my group and would check in anywhere from every few days to every few years. Some of them were not Grey nor Nordic nor any familiar form I have been in close proximity to work with them.

I have met 2 of the Supervisors from the Grey side of the family (Pun intended) but only met 1 Supervisor from the Nordic side. I have met also 1 female and 1 male whom had close relationship with the Advisor. To this day they are still there when they show up. What their relationship is (objectively speaking) I do not know. I only know that "The Advisor" (Nordic female) that they were allegedly part of her original team.

The 1 woman and 1 man are virtually anonymous individuals. They are very much Nordic and appear to be in control in some unknown capacity. I have never witnessed the 1 woman or 1 man affiliated with The Advisor to ever take any orders. I have never noticed them coordinating their activities with the Supervisors of the Grey. (that I can recall off the top of my head)

I have only ever witnessed that the Grey stop a procedure when they interject in the situation. They (above all others) have kept their identity very much anonymous. I do not know what their capacity or relation is beyond what I have been told. If they are watch dogs or "owners" with a stake in this project. (Of which I am considered a piece of property)

It is unclear.

All I do know is that they only reveal their presence at the moment they inject in what is going on and then disappear without a trace. Everytime they have injected they are extremely close by. I have talked to the man and the woman on rare occasion. Mostly to the man. They never reveal anything about what they do or what they call themselves.

In the last interjection the Nordic Man told me I could call him "Alphet" (spelling it like it literally sounds). He said to me that if I needed a name to refer to him, I could use that name for to represent him. The man said it was not his name but a nick name he told me he would refer to himself as. In otherwords, just like the others, they don't offer any real names or any personal identifiers. They don't want to be identified for some odd reason.

The Advisor (keep in mind I have known her since I was less than 5) also behaved in the same manner. Picking the name "Jane" when I first asked her for an actual name after knowing her for at least 10 years. I told her not to make up fake names and then she told me I could call her "Medaan".

So on the Nordic side:

3 Nordics
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1 Man (aka "Alphet" <--fake name)
2 Women (Medaan = The Advisor) the other woman hasn't offered any identifier.

3 Greys
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No names (1 Grey claimed/identified *when pushed* to name the species of "The Advisor" was from, it used the word "Essasani")

A Google search about 15 years ago found only a handful of hits on the term. (Literally 5 or 11 hits total. Years later the term was found with a higher increase in references. Some guy called Darryl Anka. How the Grey knew that term is beyond me. I assume it was involved in the possible fabrication of the Essassani story line? Dunno.

http://www.floating-world.org/asassani.htm

Or perhaps the term is a reference to a hybrid status? (I dunno.)



2 Grey Supervisors
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No names

1 Nordic Supervisor
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No Names

Fore
02-26-2012, 10:31 PM
By the way,

I just had to smile at this. On that page I refereed to about the Essassani. There is a reference there to a claim made by Darryl Anka. What got me smiling with curious interest was the text line that refers to some book. It makes a claim that the ET told Darryl about the 2001 event in 1998.


"Now we will take a moment to remind you, that we in general spoke of this in your year of 1998, and did mention at that time, that there was, at that time, a 97% chance of what you call a terrorist strike on your New York City. At the time we included the possibility of it being nuclear in nature, for that was the most likely scenario at the time of the sensing. In essence that is the only main factor that has changed."
http://www.floating-world.org/asassani.htm

Interestingly enough it sounds exactly like the scenario the Advisor predicted and presented to me in the same context.

About the attack on 9/11. Eerie similarities. At about the same time frame as it was told to me. Suspicious....

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I wonder if there is some connection between my ET group and that of Darrl Anka. I wonder where in the world that guy was at that time.

LoL, I just went to the main website for this guy http://bashar.org/ and I found that it seems one of the banners has a triangular symbol to it.

Now that is interesting.

http://bashar.org/images/stories/bashar-logo.png
Courtesy of: http://bashar.org

LoL, I guess now I know what these folks do in their spare time?

neverwas
02-27-2012, 05:15 AM
I've only one thing to say to old basher and those like it...
"The closer to the truth, the better the lie, and the truth itself, when it can be used, is the best lie."
Isaac Asimov-Foundation's Edge

southerncross
03-01-2012, 09:25 PM
There is another saying in the military that you know you are over the target by the amount of flack you are taking.
So when these guys begin to really trash you and denounce your sanity or credibility, you may be coming in to range.

That said, that site is a bit woo-woo out there for belief.

Fore
03-01-2012, 11:38 PM
There is another saying in the military that you know you are over the target by the amount of flack you are taking.
So when these guys begin to really trash you and denounce your sanity or credibility, you may be coming in to range. The funny thing is, they have always refused to visit skeptic debunkers 9 out of 10 times.

The reason is kinda obvious (and was a clearly stated reasoning between me and them).
The skeptic/debunkers are motivated to helping people believe there is nothing going on in the background. Nothing to this story except mental illness. So they blacklist most of the skeptical people and make sure to keep them in that firm belief.

When they want to "push the envelope" and make their presence known. The ET I know target the people whom already believe or the neutral folks whom are simply watching. That causes people to realize that someone "unconventional" is affecting and/or visiting more than one person in the community.

The Skeptics/Debunkers then like to assume that there is some form of trickery involved when there isn't.

If a person gets a visit, or they encounter an overt presence that is studying them for a short period of time and report it, it makes the debunkers pretty skeptical.

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The only way I know how to force "an encounter" with a skeptic that the ET have "black listed" is to intentionally position "the skeptic" right in front of them with a bullzeye and make them "an issue" that impedes these ET and their agenda. They then have to deal with the skeptic that is making "an issue".

By placing a skeptic/debunker in their way,
--They either avoid the person they have decided not to show evidence of their presence.
--They are forced to "make a decision" and affect the Skeptic/Debunker using standard tactics.

The ET whom watch over me then have two options.
--Either allow the Skeptic/Debunker to stay a skeptic by keeping their distance.
--Or they do something to the Skeptic to make them a non-issue and risk revealing their presence.

They usually pick the latter in favor of their agenda, which is when a skeptic/debunker usually becomes a non-skeptic. The Skeptic/Debunker become a witness themselves and tend to see the shenanigans others report in their homes/road.

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The only reason why this works is because I have a good idea as to what my ET group and the associated administration of those groups prefer to see happen. It apparently annoys them when I do that.

When and if you see me (mischievously) propose that the skeptical/debunker do something "if they want proof"...it is almost always about making them a person "an issue" for some ET to deal with. I simply put them in direct conflict with the [apparent] ET agenda around me. The ET then decide what to do about it.

Some people actually get visited in person and witness the ET. While others are "scanned" repeatedly over and over again for "days on end". Which makes them a bit freaked out at the possibilities of what is on the other end doing the remote scans.

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When skeptics/debunkers turn into witnesses if not outright believers, the ET themselves then damage the entire sphere of "plausible denial of a situation" and the idea that I am somehow "mentally unstable" starts to unravel. (heh)

People above me, (the ET) over time become more "radical" in their approach.

--They try to negotiate a terms of silence. Such as giving me what I want in return for saying nothing meaningful.
--Others whom have been at this for a longer time propose "harmful consequences" should follow my actions as a means of resolving "an issue" of non-compliance. (second most popular sentiment)
--Others propose separating the audience from the belief that anything I have to say is true or instituting financial calamity. (the most popular sentiment)

I know this because they tell me about it openly in order to [seemingly] gauge what my reactions are to the various proposals. Asking me to decide on rare occasions what I prefer. A way of instilling fear on "what ifs".

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For example,

They have even claimed that if I don't straighten out, they would [allegedly] nurture a series of conversations among the Administrators of this forum. [Allegedly] they said if things do not change they will "insert" a situation where I will be seen as a weight they would rather not have around and make them eject me. That proposal is among a number of different varieties going about.

I recall the various ET making this particular overt threat that stated "they" would see to it that "the burden" of "hosting my conversations" can become so great that "they would trigger a conversation" of how to bury that conversation. I was told that if I chose to continue, "they" may insert a conversation among the controlling parties (Administrators) to see to it that the sentiment grows that I should not be allowed to continue.

One of the ET pushed the idea that they can "make it happen" so I would be made to be seen as embarrassing, a nut case, unstable, etc. Several different ET on different occasions made the overt threats that this was happening already and that they can "synthesize any manner of conversation necessary to make it happen". (paraphrased)

I don't know if these are simply mind games or if they really did go ahead and do it. (Or if they are just making "pretense statements" about what they already potentially know and are somehow falsely taking credit for it?)

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In either case, whatever the truth or the lie may be. Or what is or isn't happening. I only responded a few times with the following sentiment when I heard of the proposed manufactured shortcomings.

I [basically] said, "Well, then, I had better hurry up and spill everything I know...immediately...before it is over, right? Thanks for letting me know."

My reaction wasn't well received. The Nordic-like lady more or less intervened and took over the relatively one-sided conversation from there onwards in the weeks that came and went. The last 4 days have been totally quiet and uneventful.

I haven't typed anything either as a result of the calm and uneventful days.

Fore
03-02-2012, 12:17 AM
That said, that site is a bit woo-woo out there for belief.

The Bashar stuff? I never really read it. I suppose it is like any other story.

ET propaganda usually is way out there. Usually substantially false IMO.

Fore
03-02-2012, 12:33 AM
@ Pontif

By the way, I thought you would find this interesting Pontif.

Take a look at the symbol on page 21 in the video. It's at about 15 minutes.

http://i39.tinypic.com/cqd5.png

See the triangular symbol?

Take notice how the inside of the tranigular symbol has what seems to be two opposing lines? As in two opposing forces, with a line dividing the third portion or the triangle. This reminds me of the story (~theological~ nursery rhyme) I heard from the Advisor about their belief system.

If you recall the original threads on OMF, you might recall that the most basic symbol (represented by a "3" or "a triangle") was of a story of 3 unique forces they believed in.

--2 Opposing forces.
--1 Governing force that promotes or demotes either of the other two.

http://i39.tinypic.com/cqd5.png

atmjjc
03-02-2012, 09:39 AM
There is another saying in the military that you know you are over the target by the amount of flack you are taking.
So when these guys begin to really trash you and denounce your sanity or credibility, you may be coming in to range.

That said, that site is a bit woo-woo out there for belief.

I think you hit the nail on the head Southerncross. The Posse Comitatus Act is ignored by Homeland Security leaving the door wide open to spy on U.S. citizens.

The Military Industrial Complex is huge and it has an enormous resource in proxy Intelligence agents which is funded by black projects hidden in DoD contracts with the private sectors proxies. It would be quite difficult to trace anything back to any 3 letter agencies unless you knew exactly what you are looking for. So it would be safe to say any type of perceived threat by these rogue Intelligence sources which deal in this area whether a real threat or not would be met with swift retaliation.

Write now I would think For is a curiosity to them but once that nerve is pinched they can be as formable as any ET. There is a whole new breed of psychic spies out there and they have an attitude.:cool:

pontificator
03-02-2012, 11:01 AM
@ Pontif

By the way, I thought you would find this interesting Pontif.

Take a look at the symbol on page 21 in the video. It's at about 15 minutes.

http://i39.tinypic.com/cqd5.png

See the triangular symbol?

Take notice how the inside of the tranigular symbol has what seems to be two opposing lines? As in two opposing forces, with a line dividing the third portion or the triangle. This reminds me of the story (~theological~ nursery rhyme) I heard from the Advisor about their belief system.

If you recall the original threads on OMF, you might recall that the most basic symbol (represented by a "3" or "a triangle") was of a story of 3 unique forces they believed in.

--2 Opposing forces.
--1 Governing force that promotes or demotes either of the other two.

http://i39.tinypic.com/cqd5.png

That's a difficult one, as the two opposing forces could be just about anything, as could the third. One could have it that we have good and evil in opposition, with the third factor being god. Alternatively we have two opposing philosophies that are counterbalanced by a neutral party. It could also be the physical in opposition to will, with the third being a form of transcending spiritual force exterior to the two. Another interpretation could have it as the physical verses the spiritual, the third force being neither of the two.

It has been very, very busy my end, so I've not been able to do as much typing as I'd like. Actually it's not been this "interesting" busy in a long time, lots to keep track of.

Now, time for a little unbalancing of the apple-cart [you'll know what I'm getting at Fore], I do love going for the jugular unexpectedly and out of the blue. Here is a question, and it'll cause serious disruption:

How does an individual activate their psychic sub-system, and in turn how does one activate the so-called third-eye or higher-mind interface?

Fore
03-02-2012, 02:16 PM
Now, time for a little unbalancing of the apple-cart [you'll know what I'm getting at Fore], I do love going for the jugular unexpectedly and out of the blue. Here is a question, and it'll cause serious disruption:

How does an individual activate their psychic sub-system, and in turn how does one activate the so-called third-eye or higher-mind interface?

There are various ways of going about it. Though a few central points are the most important to developing. Keep in mind some of my psychic structures are probably artificial so I don't know if the same techniques would work on a baseline person whom hasn't had any handling from an ET or been experimented on.

If I think aloud, there are a couple of points that need to be addressed if someone wants to undergo development.

---Perceptual awareness of PSI fields.
++They have to first develop a physical understanding of what releasing influence actually feels like at a physical (skin and bone) level.

---They have to ~sort of~ retrain their mind to handle ESP level events at a cognitive level.
++They have to learn how to make a functional relationship between their thoughts/intent and the psychic response that results.
++They have to quiet down their mind to make a clear series of directives that their non-physical mind will pay attention to. (Call it Phase 1)
++They have to learn to maintain that control indefinitely [even while asleep]. Control must be maintained even when transitioning into different states of a mind. (Call it Phase 2)
++They have to learn how to recognize the proper physical indicators that these developing PSI structures require to maintain a proper functioning state. (Call it Phase 2a)
++They have to learn how to give that delegate that control over to their non-physical mind so that it can handle some of the tedious tasks. Sort of like delegating several ~administrative functions of their physical mind's relationship with their psychic components~. There are better and more efficient multitudes of tasks that are better performed at a non-physical cognitive level than at a physical cognitive level. (Call it Phase 3)
++They have to actually develop and practice the use of various ranges of PSI abilities and ESP awareness.
++Then they have to learn how to put these various abilities under the control of their higher mind. (preferably) While the lower mind (their physical mind) simply initiates the directives for a particular task which their higher mind will follow through with.
++They have to develop a strong sense of self. So that when they become somewhat mature as psychics and are bombarded with a large range of ESP perception they can handle the discrete information without integrating events into their persona.

Read: If you go around reading dozens of mindsets of your friends and family, you don't want your normal (lower mind) to start to "absorb or mimic" those ESP events as if they were a part of that person. Learning to distinguish between internally generated content and externally sourced ESP is important. You also have to know what is a function of your own mind vs real ESP. (imagination vs ESP) (Call it Phase 4)

---They have to learn how to trigger and slowly build up a strong outflow of influence like that of the ET.
++They have to understand there are biological ramifications of that kind of induced stress.
++They have to gauge whether their personal body is tolerating the excess influence outflow. Watching for side effects and any deficiency that might crop up as a result of over-stressing their immature non-physical body.

---They have to learn self restraint. Their urges and mannerisms have to be evaluated very carefully during some normal activity that requires them to be close to other people. When they had their field at the regular intensity they couldn't accidentally harm anyone. As the field intensifies they may put other people around them at a more significant risk if they don't control what their PSI abilities respond to.

I am sure I can think of a bunch of others things.

I assume you want to know the activation routines. The routines are simply but they require practice and at least a familiarity with a persons own field. If they cannot sense their own field then it is hard to (consciously get feedback) on how it is progressing during it's intensification.

Lets continue to touch on this as I want to answer your question concisely.

atmjjc
03-03-2012, 05:29 PM
I was at the golf course the other day and a lot a people were there just started shouting out your name-- 'fore'...Whats up with that?

You seem to be popular on the golf courses.:bleh:

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:20 PM
@ Pontif

The first part I would ask any person who wished to develop their psi abilities:

First you have to create a feedback loop so that your 5 physical senses are aware of what influence feels like.

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I was told by the Advisor many years ago when I was small that this feeback process was largely necessary because human beings don't concentrate nor develop very well without some form of manifest feedback. To this day I assume that is true. If you can't feel your own emanations then you won't be able to really develop several understandings about what is happening inside and outside of your in terms of PSI influence being emitted and controlled. You also won't be able to design an interface that you can then use to control your own abilities.

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The most basic tool anyone aspiring to bring out their abilities should at least be able to do is create a really basic distortion in the palm of your hand.

Most people call it a PSI ball. A roughly spherical force emitting just above the hands surface. Though some people can only manage a permeating invisible force from their hand.

Simply take a pen made of metal, plastic or wood and insert it into the distortion above or around your hand. Once you do this several things may happen.

************************You are more gifted than others**************************

---You may notice the presence of the solid object interfering with the manifestation above your hand.

Note: If you are able to sense this much, then you are at the very least capable of experiencing "localized" ESP.

ESP = Extra-Sensory Perception

*************************You have some issues to work on************************

---You may not sense the pen but your other hand may feel the invisible force pushing or tugging on the pen.

Note: Unfortunately, you haven't ~really~ developed ESP sensations but you are at least able to put out enough influence to create a minor distortion which affects the pen and therefore you feel (physically only) a minor push or pull acting on the pen itself. Your fingers are registering the sensation of an invisible force acting on the pen. Though your (conscious lower mind) does not get any direct feedback of what is the shape or size of the object entering into the distortion of influence above your palm.

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:23 PM
************************You are more gifted than others**************************

---You may notice the presence of the solid object interfering with the manifestation above your hand.

Note: If you are able to sense this much, then you are at the very least capable of experiencing "localized" ESP.

ESP = Extra-Sensory Perception

If you fall into this camp then you can (within reasonable limitations) work on increasing that field by doing small scale psi activations to increase your output.

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:27 PM
*************************You have some issues to work on************************

---You may not sense the pen but your other hand may feel the invisible force pushing or tugging on the pen.

Note: Unfortunately, you haven't ~really~ developed ESP sensations but you are at least able to put out enough influence to create a minor distortion which affects the pen and therefore you feel (physically only) a minor push or pull acting on the pen itself. Your fingers are registering the sensation of an invisible force acting on the pen. Though your (conscious lower mind) does not get any direct feedback of what is the shape or size of the object entering into the distortion of influence above your palm.

If you fall into this camp, you should be able to experience ESP if you conduct basic exercise routines to allow your structures to develop and configure itself with the framework of your physical mind and its components.

In English, you have to continuously work on exerting influence at small scales and hope that your associated psychic structures will "wake up" (as a figure of speech). When they do get enough exercise, chances are high that you will begin to notice ESP-like perceptions of a pen or other object interfering in your emanations.

This will provide you with feedback on your progress.

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:40 PM
Regardless of whether you belong to group A or group B. You will require some time to run tests on your capability of maintaining emanations for extended periods of time.

If all goes well, your psychic structures will increase their presence as they absorb the resulting excess influence emanating from one region of your body to another.

As this increases, your structures should (in theory) marginally develop to the point where they will bond to your body as a marginally functional structure.

In English, That means that your supply of influence gradually increases inside your body in certain regions, causing other associated structures to develop and unravel into an elevated state.

Elevated state = "Activation"

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When it does develop and unravel, you will notice that these invisible control structures inside your body will begin bonding to your body in different ways. (these are called "Inter-connect Centers" in my lingo)

As they do, you'll notice the first development: the most important structures will be the ones that allow you to funnel influence (internally) from one area to the next. They will be able to create an internal series of connections throughout your body which will allow you to focus greater magnitudes of influence from one region of your body to another.

The other most important development will be that you will notice your head start to ache and hurt for a good number of months. Don't worry, if you do things properly, that pain will go away gradually.

The pains are from your influence system cleaning out various impurities from inside the pathways. The pain is also caused by "the bonding process" between your Interconnect-Structures around and inside your head...to your physical anatomy.

Don't be too alarmed...unless you start to experience very bad side effects.

If all goes well, your structures (in theory) will naturally attach to your physical anatomy such as your physical brain. If properly formed, it does this in order to inject signals into your actual neurological structures. Giving you enhanced PSI control and advanced forms of ESP awareness (at a physically conscious level of awareness).

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:49 PM
If all goes well, your structures (in theory) will naturally attach to your physical anatomy such as your physical brain. If properly formed, it does this in order to inject signals into your actual neurological structures. Giving you enhanced PSI control and advanced forms of ESP awareness (at a physically conscious level of awareness).

This is necessary in order to really be a psychic like what I have described in my own accounts.

This is necessary.

------------The Good result--------------

If your fields are properly configured, then you will easily surpass with time what passes for psychic activity in normal paranormal circles.

------------The Bad result---------------

If your fields do not attach properly and continue to intensify, you may experience siezures, incredible headaches, heart palpitations, momentary loss of normal brain functions, etc....

If you experience these kinds of bad side effects as listed by the ETs. Then you should realize that you are (at a biological and meta-physical level) not matching one of the variables necessary for proper psychic development.

Continuing to increase the influence running through your body may lead to deterioration of your health or quality of life.

If you fall into this category, stop *any forms* of psychic activations (including influence releases) and/or seek help from an ET whom has the medical hardware to assist in correcting the bonding process.

I do not think it is a good idea to go to the ET's for help. (IMO) They may simply incorporate you into one of their projects. Be fore-warned.

Fore
03-04-2012, 04:57 PM
Assuming you have properly bonded your Psychic structures (Inter-connect Centers) with your physical body.

You may slowly begin "ramping up" the level of influence traversing the inside of your body.

At this point most of your will have what I call an "IFM" (Internal Field Manipulation).

Release this intensified field into your surroundings as keeping it inside of your body will hurt your body over an extended period of time. If you keep it inside, your body will feel like it has an invisible force building up inside of you. If you release if over a prolonged period of time, your secondary structures will start to appear.

You should now have a Transitional "IFM".

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Over an extended period of time, a second set of structures will develop, these I call "EFM". (External Field Manipulation)

They are psychic structures around your body. "EFM" psychic structures

Your internal field will become like a power supply. While your external field will become like a rather sizable coil where all of the influence produced inside your body will slowly transition externally to it.

Fore
03-04-2012, 05:24 PM
Gradients of Psychic Performance:


Assuming you have properly bonded your Psychic structures (Inter-connect Centers) with your physical body.

You may slowly begin "ramping up" the level of influence traversing the inside of your body.

At this point most of your will have what I call an "IFM" (Internal Field Manipulation). You will only be able to perform small scale phenomena at this level. Mostly local phenomena.

If you attempt to strain your structures you may damage internal chemistry within your body and subject internal structures to stresses they were not [seemingly designed for].

The risk is fairly small though at this level. As you will likely tire out very quickly when operating at this stage of your psychic development.


Release this intensified field into your surroundings as keeping it inside of your body will hurt your body over an extended period of time. If you keep it inside, your body will feel like it has an invisible force building up inside of you. If you release if over a prolonged period of time, your secondary structures will start to appear.

You should now have a Transitional "IFM". A Transitional "IFM" is where you should be the most careful. You can induce damage to your internal structures if you do not formulate your emanations properly.

You should be able to sense the external environment in varying degrees without using your 5 senses. You should experience lasting effects on your sensory perception as your psychic structures should inject ESP information spontaneously into your Physical Brain so that you can perceive them cognitively as information.

(Assuming all things go well)

You may be able to generate various forms of Remote Presence, some levels of Remote Viewing, Inconsistent Telepathy, Mind Reading, etc.

Your stamina should last a number of hours instead of minutes.


Over an extended period of time, a second set of structures will develop, these I call "EFM". (External Field Manipulation)

They are psychic structures around your body. "EFM" psychic structures

Your internal field will become like a power supply. While your external field will become like a rather sizable coil where all of the influence produced inside your body will slowly transition externally to it.You should develop a large range of abilities in many disciplines and be able to easily sustain large grades of psychic activity. (if you are well endowed)

Your stamina should last for many days. You should be able to perform complex and simultaneous psychic tasks. You should develop an awareness of your non-physical mind and your intelligence as a result should jump significantly.

You should be able to perform tasks similar to the ET. At this point, you'll probably be approached by a few as you'd stand out among others.

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You should not use your internal field to conduct psychic tasks. At this level, your organic tissue will experience unsafe levels of influence in various intensities. You should be able to close your eyes and navigate most environments without the aid of your 5 senses.

Assuming you develop properly, you should be able to acquire a perpetually sizable field around your body. You will need to learn how to clean out various forms of contamination from external influence.

Note: You should be careful when handling other people in close proximity. Sudden shifts in your external field may (nay, are very likely) to cause disruptions in other peoples internal fields. You may notice that your emotions and thoughts may "contaminate" those around you. You may also need to be careful when engaging in tasks that affect your state of mind (such as sex) which can cause your field to react abnormally and affect the other person both positively or negatively.

You should not conduct "activations" close to other people as it may cause physical side effects in others.

You should avoid close contact with Electrical transformers or Electrical Power Stations as your sensitivity may be significantly improved.

You should not emit pulses of improperly configured influence waves towards sensitive electronics or "flex your field's properties" near sensitive electronics. You will likely create significant power disruptions. You will notice that when you do your lights and nearby electronics will flicker momentarily.

Maintain your field properly configured and in as "neutral state" as possible.

(Multitudes of suggestions that would go on forever.)

pontificator
03-05-2012, 03:44 AM
If you fall into this camp then you can (within reasonable limitations) work on increasing that field by doing small scale psi activations to increase your output.Don't forget, shoving a pen into your PSI ball can produce some pretty creepy sensations; I ran a quick test, to see how well things were still working there, I'm finding that the individual fingers and skin surface appear to be getting the feedback. So it's quite similar to having extended ones sense of touch outward from it's normal position. Seeing if I could run an analysis of the object would require a lot of work, but I suspect it's quite possible [I'm a bit conflicted between trying to gain control of the field vs just trying to leave it alone, it is running by itself.]

Fore
03-05-2012, 04:45 AM
Don't forget, shoving a pen into your PSI ball can produce some pretty creepy sensations; Well, only if they get mapped improperly.

So far I have heard of a few claiming that their psychic abilities are giving them abnormal "phantom sensations" in a strange way. Such as describing objects shapes in terms of color (which is very strange mapping in itself).

The most common neurological sensory "mis-maps" on a persons physical anatomy is the sensation of color in an "aura".

Obviously influence has no "color", but as our human brain seems to be well evolved for the task I guess it is not a useless mapping of sensory input right?

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By the way, in case anyone is wonder what Pontif and I are talking about, we are talking about Sensory Perception in the human body being used by psychic structures. The psychic structures attach itself (well technically it has always been attached from the beginning)....maybe I ought to use a different word scheme.

Lets put it this way, the psychic structures (Interconnect Centers) "reassert" control over the neurology of the brain.

Due to a psychic increasing their level of influence intensity by way of using "activations". The somewhat dormant features in the psychic components (The Interconnect Centers) become active. Like dormant features, they begin to reassert control over different regions of the neurology and body of a person.

In the head area specifically, the intense influence allows emanations circulating throughout the body of a developing psychic allows for the structures to dominate a certain number of features found in the brain.

Like a non-physical chip or transistor it starts to affect brain function. It injects signals into neurological activity which we then call "psychic perception", ESP, etc.

When we use these same structures to take control of these psychic structures, we gain control over what the internal and external field is doing. In essence (if you are controlling you field from the lower [physical] mind you can issue directives of intent that pass along to your psychic structures and therefore you psychic structures react in accordance.

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Most psychics tend to function way below this level of understanding.

They think that if they focus their eyes hard enough that their will somehow emit influence.
They [very funny] assume squint hard enough to strain a tense muscle or two that it will product influence.
Or if they get emotional enough that somehow it will control their personal influence.
etc.

<rolls eyes>

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If your psychic structures map correct and efficiently, (as in properly), then you should develop ESP that is functionally useful.

(ESP = Extra Sensory Perception)

In other words, if you develop just right, you can sense objects, peoples thoughts, varied kinds of information of all types. It should manifest in your lower mind as coherent information that is properly formatted to your lower conscious mind.

The ET told me a long time ago that specific people have genetic traits that allows them a greater chance of successfully mapping their PSI abilities to their neurology (and therefore their conscious mind) properly. They told me the majority they test on do not map properly or usefully.

So take that into account as a significant factor. The ET also sometimes bend over backwards fixing issues using artificial structures that are [supposedly] custom made or adapted along the way. Some of my structures [allegedly] are like that. They are not all natural.

So what happens in the wild without ET assistance and medical technology is anyones guess.

Fore
03-05-2012, 05:01 AM
@ Readers

In essence, you can think of the mapping process as your psychic structures (interconnect centers) slowly and gradually developing.

When it get to a certain point, these psychic structures [Interconnect Centers] develops connections between each other and the physical anatomy of your body and mind.

Like a network with a bridge, it shares information.

One end of the bridge is the biology side. The electrical impulses and complex chemistry.

The other end of the bridge is the psychic components made of no physical mass.

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When the non-physical side wants to share information with the biology side, it uses a type of spiritual programing found inside those Interconnect centers.

These are "Translation Tables"

The Translation Tables found inside each "Interconnect" allows it to figure out how to communicate back and forth between both sides of the bridge.

The psychic structures understand what your physical organic processes "do" and "describe" as it is connected to it constantly. It observes and relays all this info and observes processes happening in your body.

Through this connected bridge between the organic and non-physical. It can also inject organic-like signals and stimulate organic tissue to communicate.

So quite literally, your "higher self" can communicate and control your physical organic body. Creating the perception of consciousness and awareness.

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Through this connection, you can use your organic body to also pass information to your physic structures.

When your psychic structures are trained to listen to your conscious (organic half) it will relay your physical minds intent into an event at a psychic level.

It is "as simple" as learning how to cross the bridge with information that both sides can coherently understand.

Fore
03-05-2012, 05:07 AM
@ Reader

Keep in mind, that some people have their wires connected all wrong.

Either due to their brain development, genetic predisposition, or psychic structures that malfunction or develop improperly.

So some people may become "unstable" when exposed to prolonged psychic activity.
Their brains processes (the organic side of the bridge) may get bad or incoherent information that confuses the brain or creates...irregularities.

People can go crazy as their mind goes down hill.
Or they may experience abnormal brain activity which causes improper brain stimulation. The psychic structures (if improperly functioning) can cause this. Seizures or epileptic attacks as the ETs warned might happen.

So I pass this warning on to you so that "I said so".

P.S. Having a healthy psychological disposition is always a good trait to have going forward.

Tabbori
03-06-2012, 04:03 PM
Awesome Fore! and Thanks for posting.