Rendlesham: Explained Again?

[Lee]

Blogger, Sacha Christie, has recently posted a document which she believes may suggest a conventional explanation for the events which occured at the joint US/UK bases at Bentwaters/Woodbridge in Dec 1980.

She includes a link to the full 243 page document from the Defense Nuclear Agency on the topic of "The role of behaviour Sciences in Physical Security".

Read the blog entry at - http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2012/02/rendlesham-revealed.html
(http://sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.com/2012/02/rendlesham-revealed.html)
Direct link to the Defense Nuclear Agency document - https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B99UoREaBWq4YjQ3MTlkNWMtOTIxNC00NzEwLTk1Nzk tMDQ1MGMxYzQ4MTY0&hl=en_US

[Lee]

Jim Penniston responds:

"... here is the posting I did on the Justice site last night. She was using this 244 page Defense Nuclear Agency program document to explain the RFI. I thought I set one of her supporters straight with this. I just happen to be very familure with the document and program she was trying to use. Posting below from Justice site. @Daniel. Dan, I am glad you like this document. This document is part of a testing program by the Defense Nuclear Agency. It was designed to test and understand effects from interior alarms within weapons storage structures, and the MAID MILES (Magnetic Anti-Intrusion Detection Line Sensor) magnetic line sensors surrounding WSAs, which also included FDS (Fence Disturbance System) which was attached to outer chain link fences on WSAs. . The study program was two-fold, one it had a concentration of prolong effects of physiological effects such as mental fatigue. It further looked at the line sensors; the Maid Miles could cause some other minor conditions if you were exposed to the magnetic field from the line sensor.

Prolong exposure would have to be caused from directly standing within the very small area of influence. (The actual distant would be classified, but outside the immediate area of the WSA that is installed in would determine range. But rest assured it would be less than twenty feet... And two, the study and testing also observed and evaluated responses from SRTs (Security Alert Teams) and by ARTs (Alarm Response Teams), back up times, and effectiveness under fatigue situations was also evaluated under this study.

I was a qualified SPCDS Operator and was certified in that position, I further wrote and developed all Security OPLANS, and Security Directives for the twin bases. It is important to know, that this testing was done stateside at Nellis AFB in the early 1980s for Sandia Labs. Testing of this sort was done entirely in the states for standardization purposes. The USAF never conducts testing outside the continental United States. Because of security reasons.

It also studied time responses and back up of security teams and SPCDS Operator alarm Annunciations within the Shelter when this alarm was active. This program that you and Ronnie are referring too, once read in its entirety you will find, answers NOTHING I am afraid, because people are trying to re-write was it is intended for.

It is simply a standardization and evaluation of a bigger security picture involving the type of systems used and response initiatives. In either case, to have any medical or physiological effect, you would have to live inside a structure for about five years to be effected or be camped outside for years trying to get a medical effect from this by-product of these alarm systems. An interesting fact is the study determined in .001 percent of the cases involving testing; it only created a slight medical condition. Very rare and remote.

So I am not knocking theories Dan, I am only telling you that this program/study does not have anything to do with any Air Force Base which is located overseas. I do understand that bogus information like this detracts and can mislead people, and derail them from what really happened at RAF Bentwaters/Woodbridge. The answers are very simple, and we will see you in June. "

Source: Facebook

[Lee]

Thanks to researcher Dave Haith, who sent the original blog link to his email list, for the following responses:

Col John B. Alexander, (Ret), responds:

"Nonsense. Your explanation does not fit the facts - four decades of them.
That's hardly a DNA experiment.
This is ergofusion, typical of the field. There is nothing in the document
you sent that in any way relates to the Bentwaters case. As indicated in my
earlier email, unusual events at Bentwaters preceded the now famous
two-three days, and have continued up until recently, long after the base
was closed. Making a case that it was a psychological experiment (which
others have done as well) just doesn't accommodate the facts. In fact, I
doubt that we currently have the capability to recreate the incident as
described by the large number of witnesses."

Here's what Nick Pope has to say:

"I’m skeptical that any trial of the sort suggested here (with personnel at
Bentwaters/Woodbridge being used as ‘guinea pigs’ in an attempt to see how
security personnel would react to various - possibly exotic - events) took
place or could have explained the Rendlesham Forest incident. On page 7 of
the document that’s being quoted, for example, you’ll find the quote: "...
everybody early in the game knows it is an exercise ... what you cannot do
as far as I can see at the present time is to actually initiate an event
that will result in the call out of a fire team, for example, without the
whole system knowing it is an exercise. That simply is beyond the scope of
what we might be able to do.

Even if something like this had happened, MoD would have received advance
notice or, at the very least, retrospective notice, and I would recall this
from MoD files. In any case, conducting such a test in the UK would have
been an added and unnecessary complication – any such test would most likely
have been conducted in the Continental United States.

More generally, where the whole theory falls down is on the idea that you'd
concoct a UFO encounter as a cover story. There would have been no need.
You'd simply tell those personnel concerned that they’d been involved in an
exercise, that the details were classified and that they weren't to talk
about it. Most, if not all, would have complied."

[Lee]

Robert Hastings, author: UFOs and Nukes:

Sacha,

I research nuclear weapons-related UFO incidents utilizing declassified US
government documents and the testimony of ex-military personnel. Since 1973
I have interviewed more than 130 of those veterans, including the seven who
participated in my September 27, 2010 press conference in Washington D.C.
CNN streamed that event live and the full-length video of it may be viewed
at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

While your scenario is interesting, it simply will not work. In point of
fact, declassified documents and supporting witness testimony confirm that
UFO incursions at nuclear Weapons Storage Areas (WSAs) such as the one at
RAF Bentwaters first occurred in the late 1940s, at Killeen Base, in Texas,
and Manzano Base, in New Mexico. Indeed, such incursions are well documented
throughout the era of nuclear weapons testing, deployment and storage—long
before the experiment proposed in the DNA document you have used as the
basis for your speculation.

Re: the Bentwaters incident in particular, I will simply mention here that
in 2006 I interviewed, on tape, the two USAF air traffic controllers who
were on duty at the RAF Bentwaters tower during the week of UFO activity in
December 1980. Neither had gone on-the-record previously. Both confirm
tracking a bona fide unknown “target” that traveled 120 miles in 8-12
seconds (that is, two to three sweeps on their radar screen) and, according
to one of them, made a 90-degree turn at one point. The object apparently
hovered momentarily not far from the tower and was described by one of the
controllers as an orange-colored sphere with lights around its equator.

In short, radar data, which are empirical not anecdotal, support the
presence of at least one unknown, high performance aerial craft during the
period of reported UFO activity at the twin bases in late December 1980.

The controllers’ verbatim testimony and other information relating to the
events of that week may be found at http://tinyurl.com/89frftl

I will send, at no cost, copious excerpts from my book UFOs and Nukes to
anyone who emails me at ufohastings@aol.com. The declassified information
relating to the Killeen Base incidents, in particular, as they relate to the
Bentwaters incidents some 30 years later, are particularly noteworthy."

[Lee]

Colin Bennett author of Combat Diaries responds:

There have been many Lutheran counter-attacks such as this. She makes the
fundamental mistake of assuming that the documents she cites as "evidence"
refer to Rendlesham when they may well refer to other events, or indeed be
purely a theoretical paper for a purely theoretical excercise, which was
probably the origin of the infamous MJ-12 papers.

She appears not to realise that it is not necessary for any action to follow
or indeed for any events to have "actually" occurred in order to launch an
array of belief and "explanations" sufficient to create a belief system.
Given Web power and mass media actuality is no longer needed for Orwellian
Control. A controlled feed of images to archetypal appetites is all that is
needed. Therefore the documents she refers to might be termed inspiration
arrays more than anything "real" in the pre-postmodern sense. We would be
fools to assume that Intelligence agencies are not into this kind of thing
in a big way. Media is Cool Control. Eventually tanks, guns and
concentration camps may not be needed.

The way it works is like that method described by Borges in his story: Tlon
Uqbar Orbis Tertius.

Suppose Mr X claims that he has two heads on his shoulders, but only one is
visible. A torrent of claims that the invisible head has been seen will
surely follow. Clusters of images will swarm as in the process of
crystallisation. Sketches and screen-shots of the invisible head will
doubtless appear, only to be denied by the original Mr X who might insist
that these attempts at portrayal of his invisible head are not “accurate.”
This situation is created not by facts but by images. Others will claim to
have a similar invisible head themselves, and a whole viral meme will have
been created. The many pseudo-heads will cross breed, Mr X will be
interviewed by Project Camelot, Jerry Springer Ufologists and Foil-Hat
Radio, in which (in most cases) pseudo-evidence of a particular pseudo-event
will be produced. It follows that the beloved scientists as
commissar/gauleiters managing the Thou Shalt Not control system will weigh
in with numberless denials of anything and everything beyond the sun and
moon.

Should anyone not believe a word of any of this than let them take a look at
the following New Yorker article by Jeannie Vanasco
Why is DARPA interested in story-telling?
http://tinyurl.com/7eds62m

[Lee]

Now for the forthright opinion of long time UFO and anomalies researcher
George Wingfield:

"********! Oh, dear , oh dear, Dave! I’m afraid that once again you’ve been
listening to one of those krazy konspiracy kooks and especially so in this
case, since this one even describes herself as an infomaniac housewife and
par-abnormal investigator who produces inane ramblings. Should you really
believe someone like this? The answer is quite simply NO.

"Fifteen years ago I went to a UFO conference at which Larry Warren was
giving a presentation based on his book “Left at East Gate” which he wrote
with Peter Robbins. Peter is an honest guy and clearly believed all that
Larry had told him but in my judgment Larry is not, and I got the very
strong impression that much of what he said was fabricated. I am seldom
wrong about these things.

"Over the years other researchers have increasingly questioned Larry Warren’s
testimony about the Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest case and it is almost
certain that he was not actually there in December 1980 when these events
occurred, although he was posted to the base at some stage. If you read
Georgina Bruni’s excellent book “You Can’t Tell the People” on Rendlesham
you will find that was her take on the matter. There were many other USAF
servicemen who witnessed UFO events in Rendlesham Forest and over RAF
Bentwaters at the time and I have far more faith in what they say than I
have in Larry Warren. Charles Halt, John Burroughs, Jim Penniston, Adrian
Bustinza, Edward Cabansag, and others are far more credible than Larry
Warren and I have no doubt they would all reject this extraordinary new
unsupported claim from the mad housewife in Leeds.

"I have no axe to grind as regards whether the Rendlesham Forest events
involved ET flying saucers, time travelers, or a psychological warfare
experiment conducted by the Defense Nuclear Agency. I would very much like
to know the truth but I really don’t believe this explanation is valid in
any way. Jacques Vallee would favour a solution of this kind but I very
much doubt that he would support this kind of evidence .

"I will just add that the UFO conference at which I met Larry Warren was
also one where I met and got to know Whitley Strieber. I like Whitley immensely
and he was always the life and soul of the party but I soon became aware
that his alien encounters as described in “Communion –A True Story” were
solely horror fiction. I saw quite a bit of Whitley at one time and also
talked to his wife and other friends of his and I am now 100% sure that his
abduction and anal rape by aliens was something that only happened in his
very fertile imagination and not in our consensus reality.

"So whatever the truth of the Rendlesham Forest case, I very much doubt that
you will find it in the inane ramblings of this Leeds housewife. As, they
used to say in the X-Files: TRUST NO ONE! Especially not the likes of
her. Please pass this letter of mine on to others on your mailing list in
case they too have been misled."

[Lee]

For those interested, there is a two part interview with Sacha Christie available on youtube:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F0U-hCK3eY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oilajxakqfE&feature=relmfu

[Garuda]

It seems to be a recurring theme, these days.

A while ago, there was Leah Haley, who for years had toured the circuit, speaking about her abduction experiences, who then suddenly started claiming it never happened, and it was all some government mind control experiment!
Not that she ever bothered to actually provide anything to back that up...

Maybe all these 'it's a government mind control project' theories are in themselves mind control experiments: see how the new meme catches on!

[Garuda]

This just in from Jerry Pippin: "Lee, we are going to have Sacha on our show tomorrow night to discuss this in detail. If you are anyone has any quesitons feel free to call it. The show is on from 7:00 to 9:00 Eastern on www.inceptionradio.com "

Tomorrow = Monday 13 Feb, 7-9 PM Eastern.

[Luminari]

Maybe all these 'it's a government mind control project' theories are in themselves mind control experiments: see how the new meme catches on!

Bingo.

[newyorklily]

I can’t understand how, what Sacha Christie presented on the Jerry Pippin show last night, can be considered research.

When Jerry asked her who she knows and spoke to personally, she said that she only knows and spoke to Larry Warren. She also said that she didn’t get the documents herself, someone else got them for her.

She never spoke to anyone who is trained in the fields needed to analyze that document. She never even spoke with Jim Penniston, who posted on his Facebook page, (see above) why that document is not a valid explanation for what happened at Rendelsham.

Sacha also said that the people at Rendelsham were already psychologically fragile because they had come out of the Vietnam War. Again, these are people she has never met or spoken to so how can she psychoanalyze them? (Which she isn’t even qualified to do).

I don’t know of any organization that would consider that “research”.

[Garuda]

It's called "unqualified speculation" ... which sounds better than 'I just made it all up.'

[Luminari]

I can’t understand how, what Sacha Christie presented on the Jerry Pippin show last night, can be considered research.




It's called "unqualified speculation" ... which sounds better than 'I just made it all up.'

Narcissistic attention seekers, both of them (Christie and Prichett). Jeffery Prichett is a disgrace IMO- profiting off this garbage.

[Longeyes]

Seems full of BS and just confusing the issue in people's minds which is a real shame because this is one of the best cases we have.
The less air time it gets the better.

[Doc]

This "explanation", or something very like it, has been around the fringes of the Rendlesham Forest Case since the time of Larry Warren's book and "Unsolved Mysteries" coverage of the story. While I think it is possible that the whole thing was a test of response to an actual event, there doesn't seem to be any provable direct linkage between the program and Bentwaters. This is why the question of the radar records becomes such an important issue. If there is radar evidence, the suggestion of a mind control experiment can be tested against some objective evidence. There may have been other photographic evidence gathered at the time which would be great to have.

[A99]

So was this yet another gov't orchestrated UFO event to perpetuate the myth that we are being visited by ETs? An experiment of some sort which included mind control in order to perfect their UFO/ET myth making tactics to perpetuate the lie that the US is eons ahead of the rest of the world due to all of the alien back-engineered advanced technology we supposedly have that were either given to us by ETs or are from material confiscated from UFO retrieval operations. Lol, but in reality, we don't have any of that stuff because you can't back-engineer a space craft that may have left behind some physical psychisms that in fact probably disintegrated soon after they retrieved that kind of material -- that is 'physical material' that disintegrated, back into the realm where they came from.

[A99]

George Winfield said:

"I will just add that the UFO conference at which I met Larry Warren was
also one where I met and got to know Whitley Strieber. I like Whitley immensely
and he was always the life and soul of the party but I soon became aware
that his alien encounters as described in “Communion –A True Story” were
solely horror fiction. I saw quite a bit of Whitley at one time and also
talked to his wife and other friends of his and I am now 100% sure that his
abduction and anal rape by aliens was something that only happened in his
very fertile imagination and not in our consensus reality.

Lol.... Just another off-the-wall comment by another hard-core Nuts and Bolts 'researcher' who negates the ET Abduction Phenomenon. Granted that 'they' are NOT ETS and instead are intelligences from those other realms, the so-called "ET Abduction Experience" is a real one and is well documented.

[Sykotronik]

I think this is a case of "TPTB" upping their game from Evan Davies mincing about outside the gates of Bentwater, emphatically telling us that highly trained security personel at Europes biggest nuclear arsenal got confused and were looking at a distant lighthouse.

It looks like they thought if this "info" appeared on a "cool" blog, and related all the phenomena to the kinds of fringe science so popular with the sorts of folks on UFO forums etc, it would become, if not the accepted explanation, divisive amongst the UFO community.

And just for a laugh, here is Evan Davies, who says "they" don't walk amongst us ?:rolleyes:


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[newyorklily]

From a Facebook post today by Peter Robbins:


On the air tonight! A change of schedule for tonight’s broadcast of the “UFO Undercover” radio show with Joe Montaldo. Larry Warren and Peter Robbins, authors of the British best seller, Left At East Gate: A First Hand Account of the Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident, Its Cover-up and Investigation, will be Joe’s guests tonight to discuss the Rendlesham Forest Incident and the controversy surrounding the claims and counter claims regarding this seminal UFO incident. Montaldo will be running voice stress analysis on his guests live tonight and will post the finding as soon as possible following the broadcast. Witnesses Jim Penniston and John Burroughs will be invited to appear on a follow-up show to under go voice stress analysis to help prove or disprove there case as well. So join us live tonight from 8-10 EST www.ufoundercover.com (http://www.facebook.com/l/nAQHSZd9Y/www.ufoundercover.com). The program which had been scheduled for tonight on types of aliens and there agendas will be rescheduled for march 14 2012 8-10 EST

This should be interesting.

[newyorklily]

If any of you were planning to go to the Rendelsham conference this June, I think you will have to make other plans. Sunday night (March 18) Jim Penniston and John Burroughs announced on Paul and Ben Eno's show, Behind the Paranormal, that they would not be speaking at the conference but instead, will be writing a book with all their informtion in it.

As of this morning, the conference has been cancelled. From FB:


Gordy Goodger (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594007142)
Important announcement regarding Rendlesham Forest 2012 conference.

Due to unforeseen circumstances it is with regret that we have to announce that the Rendlesham Forest 2012 conference has been cancelled.

Full refunds will be issued and I am working on that now. We are looking into putting a new event on at the same time/place and details will be on my website. Thanks for all your support. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Gordy and Dave.
2 hours ago


Gordy Goodger (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594007142) There will be an event same place, same day but everyone has to have a refund and lets start over.
about an hour ago

[A99]

George Winfield said:

"I will just add that the UFO conference at which I met Larry Warren was
also one where I met and got to know Whitley Strieber. I like Whitley immensely
and he was always the life and soul of the party but I soon became aware
that his alien encounters as described in “Communion –A True Story” were
solely horror fiction. I saw quite a bit of Whitley at one time and also
talked to his wife and other friends of his and I am now 100% sure that his
abduction and anal rape by aliens was something that only happened in his
very fertile imagination and not in our consensus reality.


Lol.... Just another off-the-wall comment by another hard-core Nuts and Bolts 'researcher' who negates the ET Abduction Phenomenon. Granted that 'they' are NOT ETS and instead are intelligences from those other realms, the so-called "ET Abduction Experience" is a real one and is well documented.

Just looking back on my above comment made in this thread back in 2012 and now, in retrospect, my opinion on those entities responsible for the ET Abduction phenomenon was to evolve to my present one, five years later, into the notion that, in fact, those intelligence's ARE, in many cases, actual ET's.

Regardless that they are paraphysical, we can't rule out that their technology, on their end, facilitates in their interdimsionality which allows them to have 'paraphysical' capabilities. This is where I stand now.