The Starchild Skull

[newyorklily]

The most recent DNA testing of the Starchild skull has been released and it indicates that the being was not human. This can be found in Lloyd Pye's article "A Fragment of the Starchild Skull's FOXP2 Gene is Recovered: A New Partial Analysis of DNA Reinforces That Absolute Proof Can Be Obtained To Confirm The Starchild Skull Is Not Human" http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

In these tests, the Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and the FOXP2 gene, were sequenced and compared to earlier known humans and our closest primates. The number of variations found in the mtDNA taken from the Starchild Skull were much greater than the earlier humans (Neanderthal and Denisova) but less than a chimp.


Within those 1,583 base pairs, the Starchild carries a grand total of 93 variations that are different from the extremely highly conserved human mtDNA genome. That is 93 in only 9.5% of the genome! It’s already near to the maximum of 120 variations in human mtDNA. If we do a simple but highly reliable mathematical extrapolation, expanding the 9.5% out to 100% (times 10.5) we find that 93 established variations extrapolates out to 977 variations!

Remember, the maximum of variations in human mtDNA is 120. Neanderthals carry 200. The new hominins, Denisovans, carry 385. The Starchild extrapolates to 977! However, we must be clear about what that 977 means. During the course of repeated mtDNA sequencing, a high probability exists that several of the variations found will not hold up as valid. Some are likely to be established as errors. Because of that likelihood, let’s be overly conservative and err well on the side of caution. Let’s say the Starchild’s mtDNA will fall in the range of 800 to 1000 variations. Compare that range to the human 120. What does it mean?

The results for the FOXP2 gene were more dramatic.


With that said, let’s examine the fragment of Starchild Skull FOXP2 sequenced by our geneticist. Of the entire 2,594 base pairs of the normal FOXP2 gene, our fragment is 211 base pairs that come from a segment near the center of the gene. If the same 211 base pair section were isolated from any normal human, every base pair would be exactly the same as what is found in any other human. There would be no difference in any of them.

Okay, ready….brace yourselves. The Starchild’s 211 base pair FOXP2 fragment has a grand total of 56 variations! Now, while extrapolating this 211 base pair fragment is a bit more of a stretch than extrapolating the four combined fragments of mtDNA we discussed earlier, doing so does provide something to think about. Divide 2,954 by 211, and you get 12.3. Multiply 12.3 by 56, and the range of total variations in the Starchild’s FOXP2 base pairs would be 600 to 700! So let’s be crazy conservative and say it’s only 200 or 300. It is still astounding in a super highly conserved gene that in normal humans has no variations at all!

If we compare the same section from a rhesus monkey’s FOXP2, only 2 of its 211 base pairs would vary from any human. If it were a mouse, it would be 20. If a dog, 27. An elephant, 21. An opossum, 21. A Xenopus (a kind of frog), 26. So dogs and frogs are the most different, at 27 and 26 base pairs respectively

Lloyd Pye does point out that this study must be repeated many times in order for these results to be considered absolute proof but this does look very promising.

[cheb]

I think Mr. Pye is finally on the back stretch with this long saga. I just received an email update from his website, indicating he will be on C2C this evening, Monday March 5th:

From: "Starchild Project" <contact@starchildproject.com>
Monday, March 5, 2012 8:17 PM

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At 8:00 pm central time I was called by the C2C staff....

....to be on with George tonight during the first hour, which is midnight central time to 1:00 am. If it goes as usual, I'll come on about 12:15 to 12:20 for a couple of short segments, and then they'll take a question or two.

They want me to talk about the new FOXP2 development, so if you've had any trouble understanding it, and if you can spare the time to listen, maybe we can say something that will clarify it for you.

If you haven't yet seen the essay, here is another chance. If nothing else, just glance over the new FOXP2 illustrations. They are well worth your while.

http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

[Doc]

From Coast to Coast:

Starchild Skull Update "First hour guest, researcher Lloyd Pye (http://lloydpye.com/) shared an update on the Starchild Skull, an anomalous, possibly alien, 900-year-old bone skull found in Mexico in the 1930s. Even though it's called the Starchild, he believes the skull actually belonged to an adult because the teeth that were present were considerably worn. The latest DNA testing of the skull has uncovered 56 differences between it and humans-- much more than the genetic differences between humans and other animals, he reported. For more on the DNA testing, see Pye's in-depth essay (http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm)."

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/03/05

The links have in-depth details. Recommended reading for anyone interested:

http://lloydpye.com/


http://www.starchildproject.com/dna2012.htm

[Marvin]

The most recent DNA testing of the Starchild skull has been released and it indicates that the being was not human. This can be found in Lloyd Pye's article "A Fragment of the Starchild Skull's FOXP2 Gene is Recovered: A New Partial Analysis of DNA Reinforces That Absolute Proof Can Be Obtained To Confirm The Starchild Skull Is Not Human".

In these tests, the Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and the FOXP2 gene, were sequenced and compared to earlier known humans and our closest primates. The number of variations found in the mtDNA taken from the Starchild Skull were much greater than the earlier humans (Neanderthal and Denisova) but less than a chimp.




Remember, the maximum of variations in human mtDNA is 120. Neanderthals carry 200. The new hominins, Denisovans, carry 385. The Starchild extrapolates to 977! However, we must be clear about what that 977 means. During the course of repeated mtDNA sequencing, a high probability exists that several of the variations found will not hold up as valid. Some are likely to be established as errors. Because of that likelihood, let’s be overly conservative and err well on the side of caution. Let’s say the Starchild’s mtDNA will fall in the range of 800 to 1000 variations. Compare that range to the human 120. What does it mean?



Lloyd Pye does point out that this study must be repeated many times in order for these results to be considered absolute proof but this does look very promising.



It seems a bit premature for me to get excited, especially when the margin of experimental error is large enough to make part (or possibly all) of the data suspect. Time will tell.


M

[newyorklily]

Lloyd Pye is putting some information out on video now.


http://youtu.be/XzvqZFhQtpU

And


http://youtu.be/g_vqT1sN8og

[atmjjc]

There is one particular curiosity of the starchild skull which is, it has teeth. Teeth means it eats, chews, swallows and has some form of digestive apparatus and the appearance of the teeth would mean it is a carnivore.

We all should be aware that there is some anomalies in human childbirth. In today's world most are aborted before birth or in third world countries are killed after birth. Sad but true, and most are still born.

I am not saying this is the case of the starchild skull but I am not ruling it out either. This is a scientifically perplexing case which i doubt will ever be proven either way.

Just so you know where I am coming from...look around at each other...WE are all hybrids.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_585657&feature=iv&src_vid=yfHZA2hZUjA&v=lOSbRCg0B4g

[majicbar]

"There is one particular curiosity of the starchild skull which is, it has teeth."

With evolution some things exist structurally which do not conform to the actual behaviors of an offspring. Most of us still have "wisdom teeth", some are occasionally seen with another behind even that one. The presence of teeth would not mean that they are being "used". It means that in the evolutionary liniage that an ancestor did use them. As you say we are all hybreds of a sort.

[newyorklily]

Lloyd Pye has been diagnosed with an aggressive form of cancer. From his email:









I STILL CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT, BUT IT'S TRUE.

Outwardly, I am the picture of health, but in my upper abdomen lurks a tumor the size and shape of a softball. Its formal name is "Aggressive B-Cell Lymphoma." It is a fairly common cancer that is very amenable to treatment, but that treatment has to be as aggressive as the tumor or death ensues.

What does this catastrophic news mean to me? To us? The the relationship we have forged here during my 14 years with the Starchild Project? The simple answer is this: "Things have to change--bigtime!" This will very likely be my last "Byte of Pye" in this format. It will be taken over by other people who will notify you when the changes are complete. However, expect to be given a choice to stay with the new Starchild newsletter, which I hope all of you will do, and then also join me where I'll be next, at www.LloydPye.com (http://www.lloydpye.com/).

That's long-term. In the short-term, I am obviously in a fight for my life, and I intend to do my best to win it. As you might have guessed, to do that I will need massive amounts of help from YOU, from each of you to the degree you can manage. I want to treat my cancer by alternative means, not the standard "one-size-fits-all" approach of chemotherapy and radiation applied with elephant-gun imapact on one and all. That's not how I want to fight.

Instead, I want to go to an alternative clinic in Europe with very good success at treating lymphomas like mine. As with all cancer treatments, this one is very expensive, in the low tens of thousands of dollars. Here in the U.S. it would be in the high tens of thousands of dollars. Either way, I have to pay, and I simply do not have the money to pay those bills. To do so, I will need rather large amounts of money, both for the initial treatment, which is one full month, followed by subsequent treatments two or three or more times, depending on the kind of follow-up I will require.

The bottom line is that I need an enormous amount of help to save myself, and I am extremely lucky that I have friends like the people on this list who can put themselves in my shoes and feel sympathy for me. This is an ordeal of the highest magnitude, as I'm sure you all understand full well. If you can help me with this, and are willing to do so, in this special instance PLEASE DO NOT CLICK ON THE DONATE BUTTON BELOW.

That one is for donating to the Starchild Project. With this last Byte of Pye from me, I am asking for donations FOR ME, and to do that you will have to go to my personal webpage at the link below.

http://www.LloydPye.com (http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=64116216&msgid=2274741&act=GP22&c=941276&destination=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.LloydPye.com)


HOW DID THIS DISASTER UNFOLD?

The following information if for those of you who want to know more about the details of how it happened. If you're pressed for time, this is not really necessary for you to know. It is my recounting of how it unfolded. Some will want to know this, many will not. Make your own choice.

On June 15th I had a special celebratory dinner in an Ethiopian restaurant. I drank cardamom tea, which is common in such places. An hour later I was in the throes of a very serious gallbladder attack, the first time such a thing has ever happened to me. I always have excellent health checkups, which kept me from believing I was having a heart attack, but the pain was quite severe in and around my upper abdomen, and it did not let up for four hours! In that time, though, I found out that cardamom tea could induce such attacks on those with "clogged" gallbladders, and it turned out that I had one.

After a few more bouts with my gallbladder, I went to my doctor on July 9th. He palpated my abdomen and very quickly informed me that in addition to a gallbladder problem, I had a rather large mass that didn't belong in my upper abdomen. He was very concerned and suggested an ultrasound. Fortunately, am now old enough to be enrolled in Medicare, so I was able to afford my 20% co-pay for this, and for the CAT scan that followed. There could be no doubt about it--I had a softball-sized tumor growing inside me. What was it?

A biopsy was scheduled for July 12th. An appointment was made with an oncologist for July 17th. In the meantime, my family and I convinced ourselves that it had to be a nonmalignant fatty tumor because those have been known to run in one branch of my family. However, those were just under the skin, not large and internal. Additionally, I have always taken care of myself, taking vitamins every day, watching my weight, not drinking or smoking, intermittently exercising, and always getting "excellent" reports for my yearly physical since I turned 60 (I'll turn 67 in September).

I did not strike anyone who knows me well as someone who would be a likely candidate for a malignancy, much less one the size of the tumor I so clearly had. So I went to the oncologist thinking I could dodge the bullet, but the bullet got me. He told me it was a bad report, aggressive B-cell lymphoma, and I had to act and act fast to stop the tumor's growth and save my life. So that is what I'm determined to do.....with your help.

I can't begin to handle this alone. If you've followed me at all in these Bytes of Pye over the past few years, you know I live on a shoestring, very low to the ground to avoid charges by skeptics and critics that I'm "just in it for the money." It's their classic criticism of people like me because it works. If they can illustrate instances where we are trying to provide for ourselves in any way other than the ways they provide for themselves (writing and lecturing), they pounce. Thus, I have always tried to keep my efforts to writing and lecturing, but in alternative fields that is flatly no way to make a living.

Now my attitude is, "Screw 'em!" They can criticize me all they like. I have lived by their strictures as long as I could. Now I have to live by whatever means are available, and asking for your help to bail me out of this terrible jam is the most viable method available to me to accumulate the large amount of money I need in the shortest possible time. Please donate NOW.


WHAT ARE MY NEXT STEPS?

In only a few days, on July 29, I am scheduled to leave for England for two months, during which I intended to lecture around the country. Now I have no idea how many of those dates I will be able to make because I desperately need to get myself into a cancer clinic that can do for me what needs to be done, and everything needs to go at the fastest pace possible. Right now my tumor is softball sized. In only a few weeks it will be the size of a honeydew melon, and it will be squeezing the life out of the vital organs it is already pressing against, including my liver, pancreas, spleen, gallbladder (which kicked off my initial problem), and then my heart and lungs.

If enough of you respond with serious help for me, which I have to believe you will do, then I will enroll for treatment by the middle of August, and as I said, the initial round of treatment is one month. As soon as I can get my LloydPye.com website changed over to the new format, it will include a blog. Or maybe I'll go with a blog on Facebook. I'm still trying to resolve that issue. But soon I will have a blog going that will recount my experiences at the clinic, and I hope it will provide help for others in my same situation, to tell them what to expect if they choose the alternative route I want to take.

I firmly believe I can win this if I get enough support. As of right now, I am healthy. I have a good constitution. I have a good frame of mind. I have always been a scrappy type, willing and able to take on difficult challenges. This is, of course, one of any life's greatest challenges, a fight with Death.

I'm not asking anyone to donate to help me lose this fight. I'm asking you to help me win it. And I REALLY need help this time. Again, before all is said and done the total cost will be tens of thousands of dollars. I think anyone who knows anything about cancer treatments anywhere in the world will vouch for that. I live hovering around the poverty level. But not now, not any more.

I have to drop that life and take on a new one. My old life is over, and now I have to forge a new one. I have to become "a cancer survivor," and with enough help from enough of you, my Starchild and Byte of Pye family, I can and will do it, and you are free to follow along on my journey every step of the way. I hope you will. I think it will be quite a learning experience!

My heartfelt thanks to you all for reading this exceptionally long missive, and I know all of you wish me the very best outcome. I'm sure I can achieve it.

Lloyd Pye
July 19th, 2013
www.LloydPye.com (http://www.lloydpye.com/)

[Marvin]

With all due compassion and respect to Mr. Pye, he only reports “news” that agrees with his alien hypothesis.

I recorded Monster Quest a little while back, which (to my surprise) combined the “Flatwoods Monster” and the “Starchild” into one segment.

Bone was taken from the “Starchild” skull by a independent forensic anthropologist. She was able to extract Mitochondrial DNA (DNA traced through the mother), but was unable to extract any paternal DNA. Her determination was the “Starchild” was a human child. If you want to read more:

http://weirdanimalreport.com/article/monsterquest-lizard-monster



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ucUemFZkmo

The above is not the complete segment… “Starchild” starts at 12:55. I advise everyone to see the whole segment and make your own decision.


M

[majicbar]

"unable to extract any paternal DNA. Her determination was the “Starchild” was a human child", really? Given the story, unless she can prove the paternal DNA is also human this is a scientifically stupid claim on her part. Absence of evidence proves nothing, neither claim can be supported by the results of this test. Until DNA evidence proves the paternity of the DNA, we gots nuttin!

[Marvin]

"unable to extract any paternal DNA. Her determination was the “Starchild” was a human child", really? Given the story, unless she can prove the paternal DNA is also human this is a scientifically stupid claim on her part.


You really need to see the show if you want more info than I can remember from it.

800 year old DNA can be a tricky thing to deal with… but I believe her logic was quite simple… if the only DNA she could extract was human, then there is zero data supporting an alien origin (or hybrid). It didn’t sound stupid at the time.


M