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newyorklily
11-26-2011, 07:37 PM
I think I saw a shadow entity early one morning, almost two years ago. I had gone back to Pennsylvania with my uncle where he lives with his two sisters-in-law and I stayed up late working on my laptop and talking over old times with one of them, Diane. After Diane went to bed (around 3:00am), I stayed at the dining table, working on the internet for a little while longer. During this time, one of the cats in the house, Rudy, came down the stairs and stood right at the edge of the dining area. I thought he was staring at me and I thought nothing of it at the time because I once had a cat that would do the same thing when he wanted me to come to bed. Now I wonder if he saw something else in the room. After a few minutes he disappeared and I figured that he went back upstairs to go to sleep.

At around 3:30am, I decided to have a little more pumpkin ice cream before going to sleep. I closed up my laptop, turned off the lights in the dining area (except for one wall sconce), went to the kitchen for the ice cream and then brought it back to the dining table. While I was sitting there eating it, I saw a shadow pass over the opposite side of the table and against the wall. I instinctively looked behind me but there was no one there. Even if someone was standing behind me, it could not have caused the shadow. The only light source in the room was the wall sconce which was in front and to my right. The shadow actually passed under the light source. As I watched this, I felt surprised and amazed but I did not feel afraid. I finished my ice cream and then went to bed.

The next day, when Diane was driving me to the bus station, I told her what I had seen. She knew exactly what I was talking about because she had seen it in the house for a long time.

Many seem to think that these sahdow beings are ghosts of some sort. I tend to wonder if "shadow" is a good word to describe them. While watching it, I thought it looked more like a silhouette than a shadow. Perhaps there is a path between worlds that some beings knnow how to travel. Maybe there are places where the membrane between the worlds is thinner than others, or maybe this happens at specific times of the year. Then, perhaps, we can see these travelers enroute.

What do you think they are?

Dood
11-26-2011, 09:31 PM
I personally do not know what they are...

BUT, it gives a whole new meaning to whatever was in my closet when I was a child.
Seriously, I can swear to gawd there was something in my closet when I was little and it was not my imagination as my parents use to tell me. :das
It MOVED in my closet and scared the living hell out of me...

Also, I did have that one experience a few years back where something was at the foot of my bed.
THEN 'it' walked around up to my head then reached out and said: "Relax". That is ALL I remember.
I also could not move...
I do not know if this is the same thing that is being discussed here but, it was 'Shadowy' to me! :(

A99
12-05-2011, 06:20 PM
I think that shadow beings are just another kind of interdimensional intelligence that reside in those realms outside of our own.

Because most reports describe seeing only a limited variation of this kind of entity, it seems like the intelligence that manifests that way into our own dimension only uses a few variations of what essentially is a shadow template.

The ones that are most commonly seen are the humanoid ones that are either with or without a fedora hat... or the humanoid ones that look like branches are sticking out of their heads.

And there then are those giant spider ones.

What's interesting is that each one shows up differently.

The humanoid ones that are with or without the fedora zip by us fast and are usually only seen in our peripheral vision... but not always.

The humanoid ones with branches sticking out of their heads show up in groups where they seem to almost be dancing where they are seen straight on as shadows on a wall.

The giant spider ones skitter at various speeds across walls and ceilings where sometimes they stop for a minute or two before taking off again to their destination across the room.

So each kind seems to have its own way of showing up and even its own type of behavior.

A99
12-05-2011, 07:05 PM
Back last March, a giant spider shadow being or sometimes two, were showing up in my bedroom night after night throughout an entire week. After seeing them for a few nights in a row, one night I had my camera handy on the nightstand next to my bed and was able to capture picture of one as it was momentarily resting on the wall before skittering off again to another part of the room. The photo of it is not showing the kind of detail I was seeing with my own two eyes, like the legs for example which are only hinted at in the photo. Like anything that is interdimensional, there are those electromagnetic aspects to the phenomenon that interfere with the photographic process... hence why there are those distortions seen of the being in this photo making it look less detailed in form and shape than it actually was when viewing it. IOW, the spider shadow being was much more detailed and defined than how it's showing up in the photo.

Below is that photo.

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Redbone
12-05-2011, 07:22 PM
Children are not yet conditioned to close their inner sight. Imaginery friends and things that go bump in the night are all too real when one is still convinced that Santa's reindeer really can fly. Native Americans would say that we have lost touch with the Spirit World. Spirits and the Spirit World were a major part of their religions and customs. They would say you must speak to the Earth and it will speak back. There is much we do not understand, much that we have lost of ourselves. Shadow people or full bodied apparitions(that I have seen), they are among us. There was a time when we knew this.......and accepted it. There is a Native American saying "Thank the food before you eat!"

jiduto
12-05-2011, 07:29 PM
I wish the image of the spider was better, but I understand why it is not.

I too have seen spider creatures floating around. The ones I have seen are large, usually volleyball to basketball-sized. They always have a glow though, which I do not see in your description. They also always are floating away from me when I wake up. Their legs move fast, but they float away slowly, which is weird. Only once have I seen a spider pause. When this happened, I got the impression that the spider "knew" that I was aware of it, and paused to sort of send a message without words that it was aware of me being aware of it, if that makes sense. One time I also remember getting up and touching the spider, however, I also had the point of view of watching this happen, sort of like my physical body staying put and watching, while an Astral copy of myself went out and touched the spider. I thought "HA!" when I touched it, almost like a verification that the spider was real and not just my eyes playing tricks on me. I should also mention that I know its not my eyes playing tricks, because as I became aware that this was a repeating phenomena, I was making sure I was awake and that my eyes and concentration were fully focused on the spiders.

Spiders are not all that I have seen that appear to be extra-demensional. I have seen things that I would describe as "pom-poms" as well as floating, glowing stars. Once I saw an astral machine move away from me. Oddly enough, the machine could not go through the wall but had to take a 90 degree angle to get out of my sight. The spiders do disappear by moving into walls.

I have also seen a few shadow beings. One was a few feet tall, very pointy nose, with a fedora hat. One was human-sized with a fedora hat, which sent me a single telepathic message and manipulated time. I saw a humanoid one without a hat at a cemetery. This one made a noise telepathically at me. I have also seen the fleeting shadow people that you can just make out in the corner of your eye in a quick instant.

A99 - I would like to know more about these spiders that you are talking about. Do you have any links or information you could send to me please?

Also, I just joined this forum, and this is my first post. The topic and the mention of the spiders got me to sign up and respond. I have not been able to find much about the astral spiders I have seen in the past.

A99
12-05-2011, 07:32 PM
"Thank the food before you eat!" that's a good one! I will remember that! Thanks Redbone!

A99
12-05-2011, 07:40 PM
Thanks jiduto!
I can relate to some of the things you have mentioned in your post... thanks for sharing! It's always great when others have seen things like this too because then we don't feel like we're nuts! If you know what I mean! :biggrin2:

You asked:
A99 - I would like to know more about these spiders that you are talking about. Do you have any links or information you could send to me please?

I was just describing my own experience of them. But I've posted the same information I shared here at OMF and others in that forum shared their own sightings of spider shadow beings. I did do a look up on the internet though... one time, and found that there were others at other forums talking about those same kinds of beings in the form of a spider. So it is not uncommon.

matthews1969
12-05-2011, 08:14 PM
A friend of mine described a human shadow pass by the foot of his bed.And he was telling me this in all seriousness
He's a down to earth steel worker and not prone to flights of fancy.Our perception of reality is limited to our 5 senses.
How different this would be if for example if we could see in the infrared or hear in the ultrasonic.

Redbone
12-05-2011, 08:43 PM
I have not experienced the shadow people as A99 and jiduto have. My experiences were with full bodied apparitions. One was my Father who had commited suicide 45 years earlier when I was 5 yrs old. He appeared just as I remembered him. I had been angry all my life because he left me so young, but we talked and cried for hours and I forgave him. I have since been at peace with my Father and his death. The other was a Succubus who did not like the fact that I saw her entering my bedroom. She made a speedy retreat by vaporizing in front of me. This scared me so bad I had trouble sleeping for weeks. Everyone I have told these stories to have said that I was dreaming both times. But I can tell you that I was not dreaming. I remember every single detail from both encounters. Shadow People, Astral Spiders or Ghost, there is something going on that I cannot explain. The Cherokee believe that everything...the Wind, Trees...even blades of grass have a spirit. The more I live and experience, the more I see they are right.

southerncross
12-05-2011, 09:27 PM
I'm so glad this was posted. Friday night my husband and I (and the dog) had a group experience with a large shadow. This is the second one in this house and we've been here 3 yrs. At 3am the dog woke and began barking at a shadow hovering over my husband. He woke the second the dog barked and saw it too. He lept out of bed and the dog began to chase it into the living room barking and growling like mad, my husband behind him and then me. The shadow bumped something making a noise. We looked through the house thinking at first someone was inside, but the place was empty. We even checked outside, nothing. There was nothing there to create such a shadow, much less bump into something as we all lay there. We realized once we were fully awake that this thing was floating over my husband and seemed to have dark wings or at least a shape like that so of course it wasn't an intruder.

This happened once before about 2 yrs ago but the shadow did not run off. My husband got up and put his hand through it feeling something cool. It didn't move and for reasons I can't understand he figured it wasn't harmful and went back to sleep. I didn't learn about it till the next morning. Needless to say I was shook. So, we can't figure this out or what they want. He had similar instances at our former home but he said he thought it was family as he felt no harmful feeling with it. I'm not sure. But this last one has us perplexed. Anyone with any experience in these things I'll be glad to listen. I have my theories, but I'm interested in others thoughts.

Zaggan
12-05-2011, 10:35 PM
I have a number of them in my basement, where my computer is. Not frightening, just annoying. However, when my son lived here and stayed in the basement, he did not like them. He is particularly sensitive, and I think they may have had an agenda with him.

A99
12-05-2011, 11:19 PM
I have not experienced the shadow people as A99 and jiduto have. My experiences were with full bodied apparitions. One was my Father who had commited suicide 45 years earlier when I was 5 yrs old. He appeared just as I remembered him. I had been angry all my life because he left me so young, but we talked and cried for hours and I forgave him. I have since been at peace with my Father and his death. The other was a Succubus who did not like the fact that I saw her entering my bedroom. She made a speedy retreat by vaporizing in front of me. This scared me so bad I had trouble sleeping for weeks. Everyone I have told these stories to have said that I was dreaming both times. But I can tell you that I was not dreaming. I remember every single detail from both encounters. Shadow People, Astral Spiders or Ghost, there is something going on that I cannot explain. The Cherokee believe that everything...the Wind, Trees...even blades of grass have a spirit. The more I live and experience, the more I see they are right.

That's great that you saw your Dad and were able to tie up some loose ends to get a better sense of closure. That you had that opportunity to do that. Thanks for sharing! Very moving story!

A99
12-05-2011, 11:28 PM
I'm so glad this was posted. Friday night my husband and I (and the dog) had a group experience with a large shadow. This is the second one in this house and we've been here 3 yrs. At 3am the dog woke and began barking at a shadow hovering over my husband. He woke the second the dog barked and saw it too. He lept out of bed and the dog began to chase it into the living room barking and growling like mad, my husband behind him and then me. The shadow bumped something making a noise. We looked through the house thinking at first someone was inside, but the place was empty. We even checked outside, nothing. There was nothing there to create such a shadow, much less bump into something as we all lay there. We realized once we were fully awake that this thing was floating over my husband and seemed to have dark wings or at least a shape like that so of course it wasn't an intruder.

This happened once before about 2 yrs ago but the shadow did not run off. My husband got up and put his hand through it feeling something cool. It didn't move and for reasons I can't understand he figured it wasn't harmful and went back to sleep. I didn't learn about it till the next morning. Needless to say I was shook. So, we can't figure this out or what they want. He had similar instances at our former home but he said he thought it was family as he felt no harmful feeling with it. I'm not sure. But this last one has us perplexed. Anyone with any experience in these things I'll be glad to listen. I have my theories, but I'm interested in others thoughts.

Lol, what great ghost story! I bet you and husband have fun telling others about it too! I can only imagine the kinds of reactions you must get when you do that!
I've had them zip over me too one time I did wonder if it had wings but it zipped by much too fast for me to tell. It sounds like you must have gotten a better look and impression of the one that you saw and will make note of it.

A99
12-05-2011, 11:32 PM
I have a number of them in my basement, where my computer is. Not frightening, just annoying. However, when my son lived here and stayed in the basement, he did not like them. He is particularly sensitive, and I think they may have had an agenda with him.

That could be. I would be interested in finding out your son's thoughts on that.

southerncross
12-06-2011, 12:35 AM
Lol, what great ghost story! I bet you and husband have fun telling others about it too! I can only imagine the kinds of reactions you must get when you do that!
I've had them zip over me too one time I did wonder if it had wings but it zipped by much too fast for me to tell. It sounds like you must have gotten a better look and impression of the one that you saw and will make note of it.
He did get a pretty good look and the fact that it was floating over him just hovering is just so weird. This makes twice it's happened to him. And the fact that the dog saw it and chased it gives me comfort that no one was dreaming. I've only told one person who thankfully is open minded, but we tend to keep our mouths shut on it. Most folks just don't get it and think you are a drinker or something! lol
I just can't figure out if it is a spirit or another lifeform we have not "discovered" and documented.

A99
12-06-2011, 01:19 AM
I've been entertaining the notion that they are "intelligences" from another realm/dimension and that their preferred template/form of manifestation is as a shadow being. But what's interesting is that there seems to be only a few different kinds of shadow entities or versions of them. So basically, there's a uniformity there that I find very intriguing. So now you are talking about a humanoid winged shadow being that floats in mid-air and goes bump into the night. So is this another kind of shadow being that's less common? As I said before, each kind of shadow being seems to have its own unique set of behaviors.

At any rate, I will be keeping an eye out for any new reports that pop up of winged shadow beings. I think that new versions of them must pop up every so often where the intelligence is somehow mimicking the time and culture that its showing up in. How else can we explain humanoid shadow beings that seem to be wearing a Fedora Hat? Could the winged shadow entities be mimicking batman? Who knows?

southerncross
12-06-2011, 04:27 AM
He said he wasn't 100% positive about the wings as the form was fuzzy, may have been a shoulder. I can let that go, but the fact that it hit something implies mass or energy and the dog sensed it immediately. Just hovering parallel over him is so odd. Yeah I'd be curious as to what you find.

A99
12-06-2011, 05:09 AM
He said he wasn't 100% positive about the wings as the form was fuzzy, may have been a shoulder. I can let that go, but the fact that it hit something implies mass or energy and the dog sensed it immediately. Just hovering parallel over him is so odd. Yeah I'd be curious as to what you find.

I think it's fair to say that whatever it is, it's not from our dimension. Or it could be from some kind of sub-stream that's within our own dimension. But whatever the case may be, the frequency of their energy translates into a specific pattern that apparently translates and manifests as a shadow being in our dimension. And in addition to this, the frequencies also determine the DENSITY of the resulting manifestation too. If the manifestation is dense enough, then it can in fact interact physically in some way with our own physical reality that allows us to hear it bumping into something when it does that (probably intentionally). That your husband felt a temperature change when he put his hand through the entity indicates that it was more dense than air and could hold a temperature different from the temperature of the room.
So this may mean that some versions of shadow beings are more dense than others.

Zaggan
12-06-2011, 04:52 PM
That could be. I would be interested in finding out your son's thoughts on that.


Just talked to him about it, and he said they had a weird energy, he perceived them as "sh*t disturbers", when they were present he was on edge, so I would probably say that their energy is "irritating" at best. There have been no physical interactions at all that I can tell.

Redbone
12-06-2011, 05:02 PM
I think it's fair to say that whatever it is, it's not from our dimension. Or it could be from some kind of sub-stream that's within our own dimension. But whatever the case may be, the frequency of their energy translates into a specific pattern that apparently translates and manifests as a shadow being in our dimension .

My belief exactly! Death is not the end, but another beginning. Just as my Father reached out to me from another plain of existence, perhaps Shadow People are trying to do the same. For whatever reason, my Dad and I were allowed to connect years after his death. The Succubus did not try to harm me, but neither did she have my best interest in mind. Actually she was rather indifferent. I do not know if the Shadow People were once humans, or if they are even aware of our existence. I do know through research that there are different classes of hauntings. There are intelligent beings that try to communicate or interact with you. There are residual hauntings that seem to be playing out some kind of scene like a broken record whether you are present or not. Then there are non-human hauntings which some classify as demonic. The domonic are the ones that mean you harm. I do not know in which category the Shadow Beings belong since I have had no experiences with them. Maybe someone here can answer that question for me?

A99
12-06-2011, 06:49 PM
Just talked to him about it, and he said they had a weird energy, he perceived them as "sh*t disturbers", when they were present he was on edge, so I would probably say that their energy is "irritating" at best. There have been no physical interactions at all that I can tell.

He's right on the mark on that one and thanks for asking him about that!

A99
12-06-2011, 06:57 PM
Redbone, all I can say is that Shadow Beings do not seem to be malevolent.
The ones with the branches sticking out of their heads are the first kind of ones I saw in this phenomenal category. I saw them as well defined dancing shadows on a wall. They showed up as a group... like they usually do and not just in my case but I have read reports by others who saw and say the same thing. I thought they where very elegant and beautiful. No malevolence what so ever.
Even those giant spider shadows have their own charm about them. They move with intention and intelligence. No fear on my part and no sense of malevolence from them either.
But the humanoid ones that zip by real fast can surprise you. I don't like being surprised like that... lol. But once again, I never sensed any real malevolence.. just annoyance and irritation. Because they zip by so fast, there's not even chance to feel fear.

southerncross
12-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Randy ( my husband) said he didn't feel anything with ill intentions, but it was just there hovering over him and once detected shot out of the house. Clearly some kind of energy is there as it struck something making a noise. And I think intelligence is there as well, certainly curiosity. But where they come from and where they go remains a big question. One other thing he said was it made a brief rustling sound.

newyorklily
12-07-2011, 04:40 AM
Randy ( my husband) said he didn't feel anything with ill intentions, but it was just there hovering over him and once detected shot out of the house. Clearly some kind of energy is there as it struck something making a noise. And I think intelligence is there as well, certainly curiosity. But where they come from and where they go remains a big question. One other thing he said was it made a brief rustling sound.

That is so interesting, southerncross. Do you have any idea what the entity might have struck? Did you notice any damage to items in the room or was anything moved out of place? Also, did your husband feel anything like a breeze, even if it was very brief?

A99
12-07-2011, 12:36 PM
Southerncross, Lily’s questions are good one’s and I’m looking foreword on your feedback on them!

Below are my thoughts on your most recent post here because you hit on a few things about these beings that I can relate to…

Here’s that post….
“Randy ( my husband) said he didn't feel anything with ill intentions, but it was just there hovering over him and once detected shot out of the house. Clearly some kind of energy is there as it struck something making a noise. And I think intelligence is there as well, certainly curiosity. But where they come from and where they go remains a big question. One other thing he said was it made a brief rustling sound.”



Anyway, please excuse my ramble before I get to the point I want to make here but there’s already plenty of documentation that spirits (in this case, of human disincarnates), for example, have at times interacted physically with our own world. They can bang on a wall or table (and the list goes on and on)… if the energy of the spirit is strong enough to do that.

Shadow Beings of every sort are also spirits from the ethereal realms. My personal opinion is that they are just another variety of those non-human sentient beings that dwell in those realms/dimensions/parallel worlds outside of our own.

Some call them the beings of Magonia.

But anyway, because they can manifest into our own dimension, they qualify as inter-dimensional beings (just like human disincarnates are and so many other kinds of beings from those subtle realms.)

And depending on how strongly they manifest, just like those spirits of the human disincarnate kind, UT‘s and EBE‘s who possess trans-dimensional technological capabilites and other kinds of beings of Magonia type beings, I would think that Shadow Beings too can interact with our physical world if they are energetically strong hence dense enough too to do that … and why not? Your story about your husband’s encounter of them is a good example of this! It’s the first one I’ve ever read about, at least that I can remember, where a Shadow Being bumped something where the witness heard it and this is why I’m making note of it! That it even hovered/floated over Randy like it did, in my view, also indicates that it waa energetically strong enough to do that instead of just zipping by fast like it is in most reports of them.

The Shadow Being he saw though is not one of those common ones as it had wings too. Because each kind of Shadow Being has its own set of behaviors and do different things, it could be that the humanoid with wings are at a higher level of energy and are denser than other kinds of shadow beings where they can float and hover over things too. It sounds like these are the traits of this version of a Shadow Entity that distinguishes it from those other known versions of them. Once again… will be on the look out for any other reports out there on similar encounters. I’m sure they are out there!

One other thing…

Southerncross, I agree with you and your husbands’ observations and sentiments that these beings are sentient and intelligent … and that there’s a curiosity there on their part because they could in fact be observing us and visiting us due to their own curiosity that they have about us. In my view, I think that that is a very strong characteristic of these kinds of beings. I picked that up too and many others have said the same exact thing about them also! I’m so glad you brought that up because it’s very true!

southerncross
12-08-2011, 02:58 AM
Lily, so far I haven't found anything out of place, but I haven't gone up in to the attic. I will be there this week though getting some Christmas things down and I'll look. He didn't mention a breeze, but I'll ask. He only spoke of a brief rustling sound.

A99, While he said the shape reminded him of wings I still question that, as wings are an affectation to angelic beings that came late in Christian lore. It may have just been a shape that looked that way but it was a brief look. One of the things that I find curious is how he is the one always sought out here. I have a theory that the 2 times he has seen one in this new house (we've been here 3 yrs) it may be the same one. Since he was a child he has had interesting dreams of angelic like beings. So much so, I refer to them as 'his brothers'. Randy is a very spiritual and deeply Catholic person. At the other house, he saw the ones that move fast that you refereed to (no detail just a dark silent blur) all the time around the bed. They didn't disturb the dog on the bed either but the dog was always staring at the dining room corner during some evenings. But that was out in the country and on Comanche land so I don't know who that was.

I did not see anything unusual until I lost my mother and a former fiance within 6 months. I was deeply affected by their loss. I heard sounds in the attic at night like a marble being dropped on a wood floor, but there was no wood floor over the bedroom. And when I sold the house, the new owners reported many strange things occurring where the electricals went haywire for a few months. We had no dificulty with the electricals whatsoever. A bottle of water froze in the fridge, next to one that did not. I spoke to an authorized serviceman on it and he said it was impossible...ok. The morning after I left, I fell and seriously hit my head. They feared bleeding in the brain. Luckily I was ok, but Randy remarked that the house was upset we had left. Indeed it felt that way. I finally went back there and spoke to the land for a while and everything calmed down. So odd. Nothing like that had ever happened to me, but my heart and soul was in that beautiful land.

We'll have to start a thread on visitations as I have had some from family members that are interesting. That seems to be where my experience lies.
I'll let you know about the attic when I get up there this week.

A99
12-09-2011, 10:22 PM
Hi Southerncross, sorry for the delay in my response to the message above that I read at work didn't have time to comment on. First off, sorry to hear about the passing of your mother and former fiance. That they each transitioned over in a six month period must have been a real tough time for you. The passing of ones mother especially is always one of those "rites of passage" in anyone's life and it's a difficult one to navigate through both emotionally and spiritually.
From what I know, it's not unusual at all for a parent to visit their loved ones or send some kind of sign to them soon after their death. You have yours, I have my own and I think most people you talk to have their own stories too. Looking forward to you starting up a thread some time on the topic of "visitations".There isn't a story on that that I have not found interesting and I think we all have them too!

As for the house you moved from, it sure sounds like those presences there must miss you and your family. Lol... I just love the part about one bottle of water freezing in the fridge yet the bottle next to it did not. Now that's weird! :biggrin2: As for the electrical's going haywire, that's not so weird because "they" DO tinker with such things as that when the mood suits them. Same with the plumbing too so don't be surprised if the new owners tell you that they had a flood in the house due to a faucet that mysteriously turned on.

As for Randy and his angels... it sounds like you really lucked out to end up marrying a guy who has had dreams of angels when he was a kid! And you never know, he himself may be an angel in disguise! Lucky You!

southerncross
12-09-2011, 11:11 PM
Matthew I agree it would be awesome if we could see in infrared or UV. We are so limited. perhaps we would all be a bit freaked out but reality is reality.

I think it is peculiar that right now so many people are seeing or experiencing th is other level of reality. Makes you wonder what is going on?

I did check the attic today. Nothing out of place to my eye. There was a bump so who kows what that was. It's been blissfully quiet since.

A99
12-10-2011, 12:38 AM
While we're on the topic of infrared or UV... I had a dim red lightbulb in my bedroom lamp when I captured that photograph if that shadow spider being. I always have that on at night in my bedroom because I don't like being in pitch black rooms. But that explains why that photograph is red.

southerncross
12-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Has anyone managed to measure the changes in the atmosphere with these shadow beings?
I was wondering if electromagnetics changed, temps., etc.
For so many people seeing these things, it's amazing we know so little.

A99
12-11-2011, 10:20 PM
Has anyone managed to measure the changes in the atmosphere with these shadow beings?
I was wondering if electromagnetics changed, temps., etc.
For so many people seeing these things, it's amazing we know so little.

I'm on my way out the door but will address your questions on this later... based on my own experiences of them. Also wanted to make a few comments about that 1884 book by Edwin Abbot called "Flatland"...

newyorklily
12-11-2011, 10:26 PM
Has anyone managed to measure the changes in the atmosphere with these shadow beings?
I was wondering if electromagnetics changed, temps., etc.
For so many people seeing these things, it's amazing we know so little.

Chase Kloetzke andd Michael Rambacher of Project White Paper have done several shows with paranormal research and ghost hunting groups. I think in some of them, they have seen and registered, shadow beings. You can get the MP3s here http://inceptionradionetwork.com/archives/project-white-paper-show-downloads/ I recommend shows 11, 13, 20, and 32. They are free but you need to register and log in on Inception Radio Network.

Environmental factors have also been recorded in the homes of abductees. This was known as the Ambient Monitoring Project. http://www.mufon.com/MUFONNews/znews_monitoringabductions.html A large amount of information was recorded (including barometric pressure) but, unfortunately, MUFON did not have the money to have it analyzed.

It's a shame this data has gone to waste. We could have learned a lot from it and it would have been interesting to compare the paranormal data with the abduction data.

Redbone
12-13-2011, 07:09 PM
Often when I am sitting on the couch with my wife and we are watching TV. I will glimpse something out of the corner of my eye. Usually it is small, moves very fast and is gone by the time I turn and look. It is more solid than a shadow but it is always dark grey or black and no one sees it but me. I will be walking from one room to another, stop in my tracks and turn because I feel that something is watching me. We have a long staircase to the second floor and I cannot tell you how many times I thought I saw someting move at the top when I go by. It happens so often that I've accepted it as a normal part of my life.

Many nights I lay in bed and hear talking or singing. It only happens if there is white noise such as a fan running. When I first started hearing it I would get up and investigate to see where it was coming from, but soon learned it wasn't my wife or the neighbors. I can never make out what the voices are saying but I distinctly make out the cadance of speech. Since I like to sleep with the ceiling fan running, it too has become a regular part of my life.

During a recent trip my wife and I went to Gettysburg PA, a trip I highly recommend. While on a guided ghost tour of the Battlefield, I heard gunshots, cannon fire and mounted cavalry. The only other person in our group that heard it was a clairvoyant. My wife was standing right beside me the whole time and never heard a thing but crickets.

The Cherokee believe in a race of little spirits called, 'Yundi Tsundi'. They are believed to be only knee high. Some are black, some are brown and others are golden. It is said that if you are a bad person, they will play tricks on you. If you are a good person, they will help you and teach you. It is said that at night you can hear them talking and chanting.

southerncross
12-13-2011, 08:30 PM
Ah, Redbone you just triggered some memories for me. I have heard voices on occasion and yes, you can't make out what they say. You just want to say, "Speak up, or shut up!" I'm glad I am not alone in that now. And my husband sees those shadows as well out of the corner of his eye, he just ignores them and doesn't even talk about them now. On occasion I feel like someone is watching me. I don't feel threatened, and usually it is in the kitchen. I checked the area with an em meter and nothing significant. EM energy can give you the creeps but it wasn't that.

I went to Gettysburg in the 90's alone on a beautiful foggy autumn day. The battlefield was virtually abandoned and the air was heavy. Just gorgeous.
I went up on Little Round Top as I had just finished the biography of Gen. Chamberlain "In Providence Hands" (terrific read) and walked the ridgeline of the Federals all the way to the tip of the line. It was so peaceful and quiet. I then drove over through the little valley to Devil's Den and walked up the big granite boulder path. The pathway made my back tense up, I can only describe it as a spasm that electrified you. Never felt it before or since. Once on top I got the feeling I was being watched by many people but I was totally alone. The puddles in the granite appeared to change to blood. I kept telling myself chill out, it's your imagination but I couldn't shake it. I finally went back down but it was the longest walk of my life, there were eyes everywhere.
I have since read of a ragged Texan confederate that appears there sometimes. Being a Texan I don't know if he was trying to get my attention. I'm not psychic at all I don't think, but by heaven, that place is seriously "busy" even on quiet autumn days. I want to go back there though. It is a fascinating place.

Dragonfire
12-13-2011, 10:23 PM
Hi Redbone,

I have those little rascals too. I have even tried to get one or more on camera with no luck I must add. Lately, they don't seem to be coming around. But on occasion I catch one out of the corner of my eye.

My dogs don't seem to be bothered by them.

Redbone
12-14-2011, 03:25 PM
Ah, Redbone you just triggered some memories for me. I have heard voices on occasion and yes, you can't make out what they say. You just want to say, "Speak up, or shut up!" I'm glad I am not alone in that now. And my husband sees those shadows as well out of the corner of his eye, he just ignores them and doesn't even talk about them now. On occasion I feel like someone is watching me. I don't feel threatened, and usually it is in the kitchen. I checked the area with an em meter and nothing significant. EM energy can give you the creeps but it wasn't that.

I went to Gettysburg in the 90's alone on a beautiful foggy autumn day. The battlefield was virtually abandoned and the air was heavy. Just gorgeous.
I went up on Little Round Top as I had just finished the biography of Gen. Chamberlain "In Providence Hands" (terrific read) and walked the ridgeline of the Federals all the way to the tip of the line. It was so peaceful and quiet. I then drove over through the little valley to Devil's Den and walked up the big granite boulder path. The pathway made my back tense up, I can only describe it as a spasm that electrified you. Never felt it before or since. Once on top I got the feeling I was being watched by many people but I was totally alone. The puddles in the granite appeared to change to blood. I kept telling myself chill out, it's your imagination but I couldn't shake it. I finally went back down but it was the longest walk of my life, there were eyes everywhere.
I have since read of a ragged Texan confederate that appears there sometimes. Being a Texan I don't know if he was trying to get my attention. I'm not psychic at all I don't think, but by heaven, that place is seriously "busy" even on quiet autumn days. I want to go back there though. It is a fascinating place.

I too plan to go back to Gettysburg someday. My Great-Great Grandfather fought there with the 1st North Carolina Cavalry. He was wounded and lost his right hand. If you ever make it back, try to stay at the Brickhouse B&B, my wife and I loved it.

I have never felt threatened by the little people......or whatever they are! These experiences started for me right after I had the visitation with my Dad. That was ten years ago and it happens so often that I kind of take it for granted now.

Redbone
12-14-2011, 03:37 PM
Hi Redbone,

I have those little rascals too. I have even tried to get one or more on camera with no luck I must add. Lately, they don't seem to be coming around. But on occasion I catch one out of the corner of my eye.

My dogs don't seem to be bothered by them.

Hi Dragonfire,

I have to ask about your dogs.....You say they are not bothered by them but do your dogs noticed them?
I asked because animals have that extra sense that we lost long ago. I do not have a dog but my neighbor did. We live in a Townhome and share a common wall with them. Before her dog passed away, he would go to the common wall and bark. Sometimes he would just lay there and stare at the wall. I first thought it could be mice but it is not. We do not have a pest problem nor have we ever....so it has to be something else.

Dragonfire
12-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Redbone,

No, they don't go chasing after them. I have three, and if one starts, they all start. But in this case, they don't seem to notice or are just not interested. We have too many chipmonks, squirrels etc. They have and can smell a opossum or deer before I even know it's around. If they smell it, they start running around following that scent.

So maybe they just aren't that interested in the shadows. I always check the dogs to see if they hear, or sense anything.
Other animals that are around too. The birds, and there are a lot of them, are a grat indicator. But the shadows I catch are usually in the evening at dusk.

Dragonfire
12-14-2011, 04:42 PM
By the way, inside or out doesn't seem to matter

boppie
12-14-2011, 06:56 PM
Hello all!

I too, have experienced the peripheral phenomena in our house where my family have lived for 22 years. It started after my Mom passed 5 years after moving in (my Dad 5 years before that in the bedroom where my wife and I sleep). They moved in with us due to their poor health. We had all the classic disturbances that you're familiar with...footsteps, lights blinking, hearing our names called (by Mom), me being touched...tapped on the shoulder 3 times during dinner).

After an unpleasant dream involving my Mom (she wasn't a happy person), I decided to get some advice. This was before any of the ghost hunting shows were on so we were stymied at what to do. These events were frightening my 3 daughters, so you can imagine the intense energy they were emanating, which was probably helping fuel the activity.

We went to a new age book store and lo and behold, we spoke with a guy that knew what to do. We burned sage and asked my parents or whoever it was to ascend and to proceed to the next level. We said, "We love you and want to see you in the next realm", words to that affect. Activity slowed to about 20% of what was occurring. Several weeks later it just about stopped entirely...except for the periphrial stuff and continues to this day. I mostly see it, my wife not so much. I have a nephew who is a full blooded Cherokee so I will ask him about those 'critters'.

southerncross
12-14-2011, 10:38 PM
I get mixed reactions from my dog. He used to just stare at the corners or wall and when they zipped around the bed he watched but stayed quiet. It wasn't till this last encounter and he flew off the bed absolutely screaming chasing this t hing through the house, my husband behind him. He was so sure someone was in the house he searched the house, garage and even walked outside. It was completely still and the dog was okay then. Whatever it was it exited very fast and it's been quiet since.
I don't have many answers. I certainly have a lot of questions! LOL I hope to eventually get this figured out. I don't know if they were ever human or if they are spirit and/or pure energy. And I can't decide how intelligent they are, but they do appear to have intelligence and intent. What, I don't know. I never see them, Randy and the dog do, why I can't - you got me. But I am learning how to get rid of them or hold them at bay.

Redbone
12-15-2011, 01:39 PM
Hello all!

I too, have experienced the peripheral phenomena in our house where my family have lived for 22 years. It started after my Mom passed 5 years after moving in (my Dad 5 years before that in the bedroom where my wife and I sleep). They moved in with us due to their poor health. We had all the classic disturbances that you're familiar with...footsteps, lights blinking, hearing our names called (by Mom), me being touched...tapped on the shoulder 3 times during dinner).

After an unpleasant dream involving my Mom (she wasn't a happy person), I decided to get some advice. This was before any of the ghost hunting shows were on so we were stymied at what to do. These events were frightening my 3 daughters, so you can imagine the intense energy they were emanating, which was probably helping fuel the activity.

We went to a new age book store and lo and behold, we spoke with a guy that knew what to do. We burned sage and asked my parents or whoever it was to ascend and to proceed to the next level. We said, "We love you and want to see you in the next realm", words to that affect. Activity slowed to about 20% of what was occurring. Several weeks later it just about stopped entirely...except for the periphrial stuff and continues to this day. I mostly see it, my wife not so much. I have a nephew who is a full blooded Cherokee so I will ask him about those 'critters'.

Hi Boppie,

I am glad to hear that you are seeking advise as to what should be done in your home. To date my experiences have been very benevolent. I have an ability called Lucid Dreaming in which I can take control of my dreams, when I was younger I would have terrible nightmares due to tragic events in my childhood. I developed the ability to take control of these nightwares as a form of self defense. I think this ability has something to do with why the spirits pretty much leave me alone. Oh, I know they are there.....they know I know they are there......but we kind of co-exist, much as my Cherokee ancestors existed with nature and the spirit world.

Redbone
12-15-2011, 01:58 PM
I get mixed reactions from my dog. He used to just stare at the corners or wall and when they zipped around the bed he watched but stayed quiet. It wasn't till this last encounter and he flew off the bed absolutely screaming chasing this t hing through the house, my husband behind him. He was so sure someone was in the house he searched the house, garage and even walked outside. It was completely still and the dog was okay then. Whatever it was it exited very fast and it's been quiet since.
I don't have many answers. I certainly have a lot of questions! LOL I hope to eventually get this figured out. I don't know if they were ever human or if they are spirit and/or pure energy. And I can't decide how intelligent they are, but they do appear to have intelligence and intent. What, I don't know. I never see them, Randy and the dog do, why I can't - you got me. But I am learning how to get rid of them or hold them at bay.

southerncross,

This is exactly the behavior my neighbors dog exhibited. Many a time when I was visiting next door before her dog passed, I would watch him walk over to the wall in question and sniff, scratch the wall or bark. We have a lot of deer and other animals that pass through our back yard but this wall always seemed to attract his attention. My wife and I have never felt threatened in any way nor has our 6yr old grandson who has been visiting us regularly since he was an infant. The land our home is built on was a family farm and the family cemetery is still here. Before the Settlers came, this land belong to a now extinct Native American Tribe called the Saponi. So, I am sure the land is full of activity.

Redbone
12-15-2011, 04:11 PM
The giant spider ones skitter at various speeds across walls and ceilings where sometimes they stop for a minute or two before taking off again to their destination across the room.

I was just sitting at my desk here at work doing some reading on my PC. I saw one of these spider shadows skitter across the ceiling just enough to catch my eye. When I stopped what I was doing and glanced up, it was gone. Quite exciting, I have never seen one before.

southerncross
12-15-2011, 06:21 PM
How do you think these vary from the Shadow figures? I have never seen one of these nor has anyone I know.

Also, I wonder why I never see shadow figures, but my husband does....I don't get it, ideas?

Redbone
12-15-2011, 07:57 PM
How do you think these vary from the Shadow figures? I have never seen one of these nor has anyone I know.

Also, I wonder why I never see shadow figures, but my husband does....I don't get it, ideas?

My experiences started with the visitation from my Dad, who had been deceased for 44 years. After that I began noticing what I call the 'Little People' scampering about and the talking and chanting(singing) at night. I think it had something to do with my mental and physical condition. I was in intense pain for a long period of time and had undergone major surgery. Something in my mental reciptors was either switched OFF or switched ON, depends on how you look at it!

The 'Little People' although black in color seem more 3 dimensional than a shadow. What I mean is, I see more detail than just a black mass. I actually see something walking or crawling and when I look, it dashes back out of sight or disappears.

The Black Spider I just witnessed for the first time, came out of a flourescent light just above and forward of my cubicle. It was a black mass with tentacles similiar to a octopus. I saw it in my peripheral crawl out of the light and when I looked up, it had already skittered out of sight.

I am still waiting on the Shadow People with the Fedora's or Wings. I figure they must be next. Then if I can catch a glimpse of a UFO I will die happy. That will complete my Holy Grail (Ghost, Bigfoot and UFO).

Dragonfire
12-15-2011, 10:19 PM
That will complete my Holy Grail (Ghost, Bigfoot and UFO).

Where did you see Bigfoot? You should tell your story in the crypto board. Start a new thread. Unless you did and I missed it.

Found it. I sure wish you would expand your experience in the crypto board.

southerncross
12-16-2011, 02:32 AM
I have had visitations, not as real as yours. I could not touch them, so I wish that had opened the door but it didn't. As my husband had a similar back surgery and intense pain for almost 8 years, this may have opened the door for him. As a child I dealt with a great deal of pain and had some eery experiences with things that didn't meet my definition of reality, so perhaps that is the key.

Things scrambling out of a light at work would certainly liven things up !!

Redbone
12-16-2011, 06:52 PM
I have had visitations, not as real as yours. I could not touch them, so I wish that had opened the door but it didn't. As my husband had a similar back surgery and intense pain for almost 8 years, this may have opened the door for him. As a child I dealt with a great deal of pain and had some eery experiences with things that didn't meet my definition of reality, so perhaps that is the key.

Things scrambling out of a light at work would certainly liven things up !!

SC,

I remember a few strange occurances when I was young but nothing like what I am experiencing now. As children we are much more open to possiblities. Something happened to me that brought that ability back. I don't know what it was or what I did different. I wish I knew, I would gladly share it with you. At first this stuff scared the daylights out of me. But not so much anymore.

southerncross
12-18-2011, 03:23 AM
Redbone,
I had a chat with Randy 2 days ago about this and asked him if he sees them all the time and doesn't say anything and he says yes. Also, he has seen them come out of light fixtures! He has never told me that. I just can't imagine what they are. Kinda creeps me out that they are around and I can't see them. Of course they haven't hurt me, but still....

Redbone
12-19-2011, 02:52 PM
Redbone,
I had a chat with Randy 2 days ago about this and asked him if he sees them all the time and doesn't say anything and he says yes. Also, he has seen them come out of light fixtures! He has never told me that. I just can't imagine what they are. Kinda creeps me out that they are around and I can't see them. Of course they haven't hurt me, but still....

What creeps me out is the fact that these things have always been there but I wasn't seeing them. Sometimes it is a little overwhelming and it is definitely not something one talks about in general converstion. Just as Randy, I see them all the time and do not mention it to my wife. She is totally oblivious to this sort of thing, even though I've tried in the past to tell her what I was seeing. That didn't go over very well :rolleyes: She thinks I am incouragable and watch too many 'Ghost Hunters' shows. :wall:

southerncross
01-02-2012, 03:20 AM
Any opinions as to why some folks see them and others don't ?

Redbone
01-03-2012, 02:11 PM
Any opinions as to why some folks see them and others don't ?

My experiences started in 1998 after I suffered from a herniated disk. I went through a tuff period of incredible physcial pain. I had four back surgeries, two of which where disk fusion, and was heavily medicated. It started as weird dreams and escalated into actual physical apparitions. Today I suffer from chronic back pain, diabetes and a few other annoying ailments. I am on a regular regiment of medications, but I am lucid and able to live and work a normal life. However, I have these 'artifacts' for lack of a better word, that have been with me ever since.

My best quess is the combination of intentsive pain and medication, changed something in my brain. The experiences are much like schizophrenia, in what I see and experience are totally real to me at the time. Once I even thought that maybe I was becoming schizophrenic, until my trip to Gettysburg. The Tour guide and I had the same experiences. No one else in the group saw or heard what we did. She later exclaimed to me that she was clairvoyant and she has these type of experiences all the time. I never know when a experience will happen, which can be a little unsettling at times, but I am getting use to it. Some are rather pleasant, others can be scary, but all are definitley interesting.

southerncross
01-04-2012, 02:03 AM
What creeps me out is the fact that these things have always been there but I wasn't seeing them. Sometimes it is a little overwhelming and it is definitely not something one talks about in general converstion. Just as Randy, I see them all the time and do not mention it to my wife. She is totally oblivious to this sort of thing, even though I've tried in the past to tell her what I was seeing. That didn't go over very well :rolleyes: She thinks I am incouragable and watch too many 'Ghost Hunters' shows. :wall:

I totally get where your wife is coming from. But I'm the one that watches the GH Shows. LOL The one we had recently that bumped through the house preceded these dreams I started having about a person that I am convinced is a reincarnation of an early 20th century musician. The experiences have been palpable and sos much so my priest has recommended I see this fellow that specializes in these things, also a priest but not an exorcist or anything. He just deals in extraordinary occurrences and is quite good at figuring these things out. Won't be able to see him in Tucson till late March though.

Meantime, I'm keeping a log and will be drawing these dreams. I want to understand what t his tunnel was I went through while wide awake and the "download" of information that happened. It all started with this black shadow that plowed through the house making noises. But man, this has been odd.

Redbone
01-04-2012, 06:15 PM
I totally get where your wife is coming from. But I'm the one that watches the GH Shows. LOL The one we had recently that bumped through the house preceded these dreams I started having about a person that I am convinced is a reincarnation of an early 20th century musician. The experiences have been palpable and sos much so my priest has recommended I see this fellow that specializes in these things, also a priest but not an exorcist or anything. He just deals in extraordinary occurrences and is quite good at figuring these things out. Won't be able to see him in Tucson till late March though.

Meantime, I'm keeping a log and will be drawing these dreams. I want to understand what t his tunnel was I went through while wide awake and the "download" of information that happened. It all started with this black shadow that plowed through the house making noises. But man, this has been odd.

Funny you should mention the musician. One of my reoccuring dreams is of me playing and singing Country music in a huge arena or stadium full of adoring fans. I always wanted to be a Country artist and songwriter, I even tried my hand at Nashville some years ago. I was told I had talent but just never got the right break. Thing is the dreams are more like memories of a past life. In my dreams I am an established and famous recording artist. I am singing original music but when I awake I can never remember what I was singing. When I use to write songs, the music and words would come to me like a voice was speaking to me.

I wonder often if I am remembering a past or alternate life or just subconsciously living a fantasy. There are other reoccuring dreams that I can control through Lucid Dreaming. But when I am experiencing this particular dream, I can not control what is happening. Which is another reason I believe it to be past memories.

southerncross
01-06-2012, 11:07 PM
Well, things keep floating in my head and some new images. They may be meaningless, but I don't get why it is important if I don't meet and share this with this person. It's just an exercise in futility for me right now.
It will leave me wondering how much is real and how much might be imagination. And there's no guarantee if I did meet them, that they wouldn't consider it all just so much foolishness. It's really frustrating as images and things keep floating in.

newyorklily
01-11-2012, 07:35 AM
Any opinions as to why some folks see them and others don't ?

I don't know for sure but I think that at least two things are necessary.

1) The person needs to be in the right place at the right time

2) The person needs to be open to extrodinary events happening in her/his life

I think these are required whether it is for seeing shadow beings, ghosts or UFOs.

Dragonfire
01-11-2012, 02:32 PM
Ever notice that if you look for them they are nowhere to be found. Then all of a sudden you catch one when least expecting it.

Redbone
01-13-2012, 06:35 PM
Ever notice that if you look for them they are nowhere to be found. Then all of a sudden you catch one when least expecting it.

Yeah that is what took some getting use too. When I first started having the experiences and seeing things, it would always be completely unexpected and scare the mess out of me. I even started sleeping with blackout masks so they couldn't bother me at night. Eventually I got use to it and now it doesn't bother me as much. The shadow creatures have become more of an entertainment, but the full bodied apparitions still give me a fright at first glance, especially if I do not recognize them.

southerncross
01-13-2012, 08:10 PM
So what the heck at they? Are they other life forms here naturally occurring as say humans, or animals?
Or are they from another dimension ?
The one my husband had floating over him was like a good 6 feet long, shape of a head/shoulders, and took off
like a bat outta hell. He said it did not communicate with him in any way, so you have to ask yourself, why it was there in the first place?

lux aurea in obscuro
01-18-2012, 01:44 PM
Good afternoon,

This is my first post per say and I take pleasure in replying to OP NewYorkKlily. My reason for posting a reply is that I have noticed just recently after a prolonged absence a similar phenomenon taking place.

To keep it simple and importantly on topic I have witnessed first hand a many oddities and unexplainable happenings in my few years, the majority of which ceased after my marriage coming up eight years ago. Myself and my wife recently moved into an apartment a 1 bed flat 16-17 months ago having previously resided in a rather small cramped studio of 12ft x 12ft.

Almost immediately after taking on the tenancy I noticed shadows while I was decorating at first believing it to be because of exhaustion, decorating after my day job. I wake between up @ 4:30AM and was decorating up until 10:30PM some evenings, this was late September so already dark outside. I of course thought nothing of this at the time again being exhausted and my mind in overdrive mode heavy with concentration ensuring I had no drips or runs in my paint work. We moved in and once our new humble abode was nicely furnished settled in very nicely indeed having a very positive vibe and feeling about the place.

I start work early my duties commencing from 6AM until 3PM so I am home by 4:30PM normally, my wife however starts at 8-9AM returning home between 7-8PM so I have a few hours to myself spending quality time with 'BoBo' our beloved pet cat. It is within these few hours I tend to notice most of the time the shadow/s.

We live on the ground floor of a nice secure small estate so I have heavy cotton net like curtains which allows a certain amount of light in from the outside yet still keeps beady eyes at bay. My chair is positioned in the far corner of our 12x12 lounge by our window, I notice the shadow/s over on my left hand side by the side of the 2 seater chair my wife enjoys. The most frequent of shadows which 'bugs' me again while in heavy study concentration being about 3feet in height almost like a small child sort of size.

I say in heavy concentration as I'd normally be reading a many threads on ATS, once upon a time OMF and generally cross referencing outside sources to feed my curiosity and hunger for answers. It's during these 'mental sessions' I often notice my attention drawn to the corner just by the chair and notice the small light grey 'foggy' outline casually glide towards my lounge door. I have never felt any feeling of negativity only somewhat like a sort of vacuum that the pent up negative thoughts and energy have been removed from my sphere of operation. If anything I could say it makes me feel a bit light hearted and joyful and my concentration improves soon afterwards. Like a memory dump of cached information freeing some much needed grey matter for further abuse. That's the story regarding the little guy as I refer to he, she, IT.

Now the other major shadow being something completely different and not as pleasant at all.

I have only noticed this other much large shadow form normally later in the evening sometimes while my wife is in residence. It appears in my small hallway which is visible from both my lounge and my bedroom. This shadow is more prominent darker and larger seemingly forming a sort of elongated diamond shape. The feeling I get when I notice it is not very nice and for a second has me on my guard, before fading away almost like fleeting off. The sensation of being watched almost being stood over. Now the real interesting part for me being my cat and his responsiveness.

The smaller shadow by the chair only gains a passing glance from BoBo as if to say hi you again before his eyes close and he is all cat like sleeping on the arm of the chair. The larger shadow having a total different effect on BoBo he used to stand on sentry duty outside the bedroom door once we had retired for the evening but just this past weekend we rearranged our bedroom layout because of a mould and damp issue. These past few evenings he has gone nuts once were in bed running around outside the room meowing and meowing like he would with me when he is being vocal and communicating.

I rather not speculate as to what these shadows are non the less very interesting given my experiences in the past, I do feel a sense of intelligence at work that we are aware of each others presence. That is all I can productively offer regarding shadows my story at least.

Kind regards

M

southerncross
01-20-2012, 02:04 AM
Hello lux, and welcome to the forum. I'm glad you chose to share your experience. These shadows are perplexing things and thus far we have had no negative experiences or feelings off of ours. You cat is a good barometer however and worth listening to. Some folks would recommend either a house blessing or a smudging. I don't know what your beliefs or background is, but you might consult that tradition to see what might help to clear the air.

We had our home blessed and it has still had these shadows. They have not been harmful or oppressive for us at all. So far they've been playful and seemed like they wanted to communicate or are just curious. You could also try to communicate or simply tell it to leave, that this is your space and they are not welcomed there. That way your little guy will stay if you want it to. I hope you'll keep us abreast of what happens and others will have ideas as well.

12X12 feet! You have my deepest respect for your ability to withstand the tiny limits, .....and I hope you are enjoying your new space.

lux aurea in obscuro
01-20-2012, 11:16 AM
Good morning southerncross,


Thank you for your words of wisdom my friend. Regarding blessing and clearings it is indeed an option which would certainly be considered if I/we felt any intervention needed. I seemingly have possibly a stronger constitution regarding my ability to live side by side with the unseen and do not scare easily I of course respect my personal space and our humble abode. However I feel that the same space is not just ours as we are but mere visitors to this realm and world of ours here today and gone in the blink of a cosmic eye, so I try to be a good neighbour to all entities.

I have lived in many homes which have been deemed haunted in the classical sense of the word, one such requiring the full rites of passage with an exorcism performed. After the exorcism was performed terrible things occurred much worse than before hand so I am very sceptical regarding it's effectiveness. I thankfully were not resident at the dwelling at the time owing to a family rift. However the effects of this treatment were almost deadly.

In all honesty I do very occasionally feel a presence of darkness and negativity with the classic tell tale signs of wild temperature fluctuations and diabolical smells what I do is not recommend by myself to others which is to openly engage. I provoke that to materialise in my physical realm and allow me to physical, mentally and spiritually administer it out thy door. I incite it to materialise so my inner strength and forces of love and light may banish it back to the dark place it hides, calling it a coward and picturing it's weakness in my minds eye being it's submission to our divine creator.

Needless to say it soon buggers off tail between legs n all as I have not & will not be done.

Thanks for your appreciation of my previous domestic arrangements the 12x12 was my 'room in the sky' for 13 long years I resolved myself to deeming it punishment for the many errors of my ways long ago, I have served my life sentence & now I am free. A skill I developed as a result 'making space work'.


Kind regards

M

A99
01-20-2012, 09:11 PM
I’m so glad you are here Lux and it sounds like you’ve got a lot to share! I love reading over your posts here!

As for myself I am always excited when I have encounters with those who are from other realms. I know that sounds weird but it’s true! Such experiences just fill me with so much wonder and awe about how so much more interesting our world really is than what the world out there would have us believe and that we are definitely NOT the only ones here!

But having said this, I was not always that way because when I was a young child, such experiences absolutely terrified me. It didn’t help either that I grew up in a big old house that, prior to us moving in, was a temporary funeral home for a couple of years before their new home/facility was built.
Yes, it was a big house, big enough to store bodies in the basement where they undoubtedly performed a number of tasks down there too as indicated by the hooks pounded into its stone walls.

I can remember times when I would be so frightened by what I would see at night, I would sneak down to the sunroom where our tv set was at and pull up furniture to block out the entranceway to that room just to feel more protected should any weird thing try to grab me from behind while sitting in the recliner watching tv. Not that that ever happened but I never thought that it could NOT happen… lol.

Do I still feel that terror anymore that I used to experience as a child? No, not in the least! But this does not mean that I have not forgotten what it was like and that I would not wish it on anyone!

A99
01-20-2012, 09:44 PM
Anyway, I'm hesitant to talk about this at this time, but I seem to be going through an active period again because last night and the night before, those astral spiders are showing up again. Only this time round, they are showing up in different GLOWING colors of red and green. Like the ones I've seen in the past, they skitter across the wall only now they are starting off directly from the wall next to my bed as opposed to the wall across the room. And when they appear, they are not there long enough for me to grab my cam to take a pic of them but will see if I can still manage to do that if they show up again tonight... and I expect that they will too. Also, they look different than the large spiders I saw before... these ones are also spiky but like the last time, they look 3D too and not just shadow-like... In addition to this, on both nights, I felt as if 'something' was leaning against my back... (I always sleep on my side) and I didn't like that at all which is why I would get out of bed and watch a movie on my laptop before turning in again -- which was very early in the morning but didn't wake up till 9:30 am. IOW, whatever it was that was doing that, kept me from falling asleep.

Redbone
01-20-2012, 09:59 PM
I have never at any time felt threatened by any of the shadows I see. But the apparitions, now that is another story. They scare me. One in particular has returned a number of times and always when I am restless and having trouble sleeping. I think that she is a Succubus but I am not a expert on such things so I am not sure. When I see her, it usually takes me awhile to get over the fright. But I know she is not connected to the home that I live in, since she has followed me to several dwellings.

A99
01-21-2012, 12:38 AM
Many years ago, I had an "Old Hag" experience.. it's the only one I've ever had but I was sort a dozing off but still very much in an awake state when all of the sudden, in my minds eye I saw an old bent over ugly human "being" zip up the stairs where by then my eyes were open and for split second that being.. that was very, very hyper-real and glowing, then ZIPPED over to my bed from the doorway of my bedroom and then jumped on top of me! I could not move at all because I was in a paralyzed state but IT seemed to be sucking all of the air out of me and yes and I was desperately trying to fight it off but couldn't do that. Let's just say that it was a very very unsettling experience. It disappeared right after that but the whole incident felt very real. That was the only paranormal or whatever experience that I've had as an adult that really rattled me but I'm glad I had that experience because now I know what people mean by saying that they had an "old hag" experience. Prior to that incident, I had never heard of such a thing before. It's odd that the "old hag" experience is not an uncommon one.

A99
01-21-2012, 01:07 AM
I have never at any time felt threatened by any of the shadows I see. But the apparitions, now that is another story. They scare me. One in particular has returned a number of times and always when I am restless and having trouble sleeping. I think that she is a Succubus but I am not a expert on such things so I am not sure. When I see her, it usually takes me awhile to get over the fright. But I know she is not connected to the home that I live in, since she has followed me to several dwellings.

That's unfortunate that she's following you from one location to the next. It wouldn't so bad if you didn't feel so uncomfortable when you first see her but good that your initial fright dissipates immediately after that. As they say, "like attracts like" so it could be that she's formed some kind of attachment to you for some reason. That you are even seeing her might just be enough for her to keep showing up because those who are able to see spirits are radars to spirits who are still wandering around in that grey zone due to their inability to "move on" into the light. This is when spirit rescue helps so if you can calm yourself down enough to try to communicate to her, you could ask her to allow those who are around her who are trying to lead her to better place to go with them. If you keep doing that everytime you see her, she may start paying attention and will consider your suggestion to to that. In the meantime, she needs your prayers for help because she's definitely having a hard time moving on due to fear of the unknown.

In the apartment that I'm living in now, when I first moved in here, I saw an old woman with longish white hair sitting in a chair by my bedroom window. She even glanced over at me where I noticed that she had a very sad look on her face. I said to her that it's time for her to move on and leave this place and to follow those who are trying to lead her into the light.... she never showed up again. Lol, not sure if she followed my suggestion but I'm just glad that she never showed up again.

lux aurea in obscuro
01-21-2012, 12:29 PM
Good morning A99,


Thanking you most kindly for your welcome words of encouragement. Also to admit having read your response/s to some of the more complex threads on this marvellous site you are for sure most gifted in your abilities to bring a sense of calm and order to what could otherwise become a train without any breaks crashing through these threads.

Understanding your situation when you were young living in that particular large house with a 'Fritzel' I use that term to define a basement as in J Fritzel the Austrian chap who kept his daughter as a sex slave and prisoner. Basements are a bewildering place and I dread to think what those hooks were employed for although I feel the answer is unfortunately rather obvious.

Having read your reply above I have to admit a strangeness came over me like you had stolen my troubled past and presented as your own, not that is the case however the similarities are a many. Making a confession and to keep on topic my younger years were off the charts regarding paranormal events. The shadow beings were with me from day one and so much a few instances remain burned and etched into the grey matter like it was just yesterday evening. My parents noticed something was real wrong because of a number of issues, I did not speak or engage, worse still because of the nocturnal activities I would constipate myself and regularly soil myself and wet the bed owing to not having physical control over my own body or stranger still the ability to move.

Being frozen 'paralysed' in my bed was an almost daily occurrence, once a being a glowing green orb of light came a little too close. The orb/entity would normally watch from outside my bedroom window which would result in my paralysis I was hypnotised by it's presence & the words that echoed in my head "don't be afraid I am your friend". This being a shadow orb in the sense of it being transparent so I hope it qualifies as still being on topic. The one occasion it came to close I remember only to well, it came inside the room from the closed window! I of course were now bricking it in the proverbial sense & at the top of my voice I recall the only time I did speak out for assistance - and shout out loud for my father, nothing audible came out my mouth not even air. Shouting and shouting while paralysed not even the smallest of audible sound, while underneath on the lower bunk section of bed my baby bother was sound asleep. The shadow being 'green orb' very very slowly made it's way from hovering above the window on the far side of our bedroom and gently glided over to the end of my bunk bed at my foot level. It was then it became more luminous and seemed to become larger, now rising above the level of my paralysed body it floated along side the length of me from above my legs, over to my tummy then I must have blacked out. Once I had come too I thought it was mid afternoon with what seemed the sun high in the sky outside my window.

At this point I even being a young boy of about 5 was very pissed off, not only had my friend invaded my bedroom I now missed the chance to secure the garden swing and assumed my baby bother would have beet me too it! I climbed out of bed only to see the lil fella still fast asleep? Was he ok? before I could wake him I got dizzy real bad. My head spinning like the worse hangover in history, I went to the corner of the room buckled up in agony almost choking not being able to catch my breath. I vomited not sick but a large white soft sort of kidney shaped object. At this point my father who I can only assume heard my gagging burst into the room, and the strangest thing happened the bright sun outside vanished and it was pitch black in the room again. I remember as he picked me up off the floor pounding my back our beloved German Shepard 'Brutus' came bounding in behind him going berserk making a bee-line for the white object I had just hurled up. Brutus attacking it and running away downstairs with it.

After I had been put back to bed and settled down the show went on with a wonderful display of lights outside which I will discus possibly in another thread better suited as what I saw out that window that evening was by no means shadow beings.


Kind regards

A99
01-21-2012, 04:08 PM
Lux said:

Thanking you most kindly for your welcome words of encouragement. Also to admit having read your response/s to some of the more complex threads on this marvellous site you are for sure most gifted in your abilities to bring a sense of calm and order to what could otherwise become a train without any breaks crashing through these threads.

Lux, your comment above is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said to me in a forum. Thank-you so much!
I just jotted down this little poem as a response to your observations on that....

The Alchemy of Mediation

Fire on a mountain is quenched by
Melting streams from Spring-times thaw;
How else to change wintery silver smiles
Into warm and earnest ones, to create Harmonic Law?
by Yours Truly

I read some information last night that you may find interesting in regards to those childhood experiences you are referring to your most current post here. Will post on that a little later!

newyorklily
01-21-2012, 04:15 PM
I have never at any time felt threatened by any of the shadows I see. But the apparitions, now that is another story. They scare me. One in particular has returned a number of times and always when I am restless and having trouble sleeping. I think that she is a Succubus but I am not a expert on such things so I am not sure. When I see her, it usually takes me awhile to get over the fright. But I know she is not connected to the home that I live in, since she has followed me to several dwellings.

It can be very frightening, Redbone. If you (or anyone else) wants to read more onthe "Old Hag" phenomenon, I suggest The Terror That Comes In the Night: An Experience-Centered Study of Supernatural Assult Traditions by David J. Hufford. From the review here (http://dreamflesh.com/library/david-j-hufford/the-terror-that-comes-in-the-night/)


Although this was published well over twenty years ago, when placed within my own little world’s timeline, The Terror That Comes in the Night was a long time coming—and well worth the wait.
The bulk of the book is a collection of fascinating first-hand accounts of a particular kind of sleep-related experience that seems to form a "complex and stable pattern" across many cultures. Hufford’s first encounter with a tradition that actually incorporated this experience was during his time at the Folklore Department of Memorial University in Newfoundland, Canada. The inhabitants of this island referred to it as "the Old Hag", and generally connected it with witchcraft attacks. However, he soon discovered that islanders who had never heard of the Old Hag had experienced exactly this phenomenon. Casting his net wider, he found reports of it from all over North America, in statistically significant numbers. It seemed that even in cultural settings where a language for the experience is unavailable, and where people had refrained from talking about it for fear of being seen as crazy, the same core features are discernible.
















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southerncross
01-21-2012, 06:47 PM
My goodness i feel absolutely fortunate to have only had my experience after reading some of yours above! I have been lucky not to be frightened by any of the shadows and thus far the dead I see are always known to me or are imparting a message.

I havent' stated yet however the things that have occurred since seeing the shadow and hearing it bump through the house. I have had a series of dreams that repeat much like "groundhog day" (the movie) and a recurring message that repeats in French and English. I don't speak French by the way. Then there is the message I wrote down in the middle of the night that I do not recall writing. It has been an ongoing mystery, so much so that my Monsignor friend has suggested I speak to a priest friend of his that his quite versed in the matters and I will see him when I am in Tucson in late March. This all has to do with the reincarnation of a public figure in to another public figure and an exwife is trying to get a message to the reincarnated person. Sounds absolutely nuts I know, but that is where it has gone. Now I'm stuck with the message and a nagging exwife seeking forgiveness! It's almost comical.

A99 - the colorful spiders you see are amazing by your description. Do you get any impression from them as to whether they are harmful or neutral ?
I feel lucky that I don't see them as they sound distracting and it doesn't sound like any of you so far have been able to communicate with them.
I wonder if they are intelligent or simply other life forms like spiders or such ?

A99
01-21-2012, 07:54 PM
Good morning A99,


Thanking you most kindly for your welcome words of encouragement. Also to admit having read your response/s to some of the more complex threads on this marvellous site you are for sure most gifted in your abilities to bring a sense of calm and order to what could otherwise become a train without any breaks crashing through these threads.

Understanding your situation when you were young living in that particular large house with a 'Fritzel' I use that term to define a basement as in J Fritzel the Austrian chap who kept his daughter as a sex slave and prisoner. Basements are a bewildering place and I dread to think what those hooks were employed for although I feel the answer is unfortunately rather obvious.

Having read your reply above I have to admit a strangeness came over me like you had stolen my troubled past and presented as your own, not that is the case however the similarities are a many. Making a confession and to keep on topic my younger years were off the charts regarding paranormal events. The shadow beings were with me from day one and so much a few instances remain burned and etched into the grey matter like it was just yesterday evening. My parents noticed something was real wrong because of a number of issues, I did not speak or engage, worse still because of the nocturnal activities I would constipate myself and regularly soil myself and wet the bed owing to not having physical control over my own body or stranger still the ability to move.

Being frozen 'paralysed' in my bed was an almost daily occurrence, once a being a glowing green orb of light came a little too close. The orb/entity would normally watch from outside my bedroom window which would result in my paralysis I was hypnotised by it's presence & the words that echoed in my head "don't be afraid I am your friend". This being a shadow orb in the sense of it being transparent so I hope it qualifies as still being on topic. The one occasion it came to close I remember only to well, it came inside the room from the closed window! I of course were now bricking it in the proverbial sense & at the top of my voice I recall the only time I did speak out for assistance - and shout out loud for my father, nothing audible came out my mouth not even air. Shouting and shouting while paralysed not even the smallest of audible sound, while underneath on the lower bunk section of bed my baby bother was sound asleep. The shadow being 'green orb' very very slowly made it's way from hovering above the window on the far side of our bedroom and gently glided over to the end of my bunk bed at my foot level. It was then it became more luminous and seemed to become larger, now rising above the level of my paralysed body it floated along side the length of me from above my legs, over to my tummy then I must have blacked out. Once I had come too I thought it was mid afternoon with what seemed the sun high in the sky outside my window.

At this point I even being a young boy of about 5 was very pissed off, not only had my friend invaded my bedroom I now missed the chance to secure the garden swing and assumed my baby bother would have beet me too it! I climbed out of bed only to see the lil fella still fast asleep? Was he ok? before I could wake him I got dizzy real bad. My head spinning like the worse hangover in history, I went to the corner of the room buckled up in agony almost choking not being able to catch my breath. I vomited not sick but a large white soft sort of kidney shaped object. At this point my father who I can only assume heard my gagging burst into the room, and the strangest thing happened the bright sun outside vanished and it was pitch black in the room again. I remember as he picked me up off the floor pounding my back our beloved German Shepard 'Brutus' came bounding in behind him going berserk making a bee-line for the white object I had just hurled up. Brutus attacking it and running away downstairs with it.

After I had been put back to bed and settled down the show went on with a wonderful display of lights outside which I will discus possibly in another thread better suited as what I saw out that window that evening was by no means shadow beings.


Kind regards

Lux,
Back to your experiences in your above post. By some strange coincidence, late last night I was reading over an article about Skinwalker Ranch and how the former owners saw, on a regular basis, orbs of various sizes and colors zip around their homestead only to find that after logging on here this morning, you were describing your childhood experiences with a somewhat similar type of phenomenon too -- not entirely by any means but close enough for me to draw comparisons between the two…

The article called “The Witchery Way”, was written by Ryan Dube from RU and here’s a short excerpt from it that’s describing what the Gorman’s saw and experienced at their ranch:


By far the most common objects they witnessed were floating spheres of different sizes and colors. In 1995 and 1996, the Gorman’s and others reported 12 separate incidents of seeing large orange circles flying over the trees of the center homestead. Tom Gorman claims that holes occasionally opened up in the orange spheres and other smaller spheres would fly out. (A neighboring rancher told this reporter of his own encounters with what he called a flying orange basketball.)

By early 1996, the sightings of blue spheres at the ranch became almost commonplace. These orbs were said to be about the size of a softball, made of glass and filled with bubbling blue liquids that seemed to rotate inside. Mr. and Mrs. Gorman say that in April 1996, they watched one of the blue orbs repeatedly circle the head of one of their horses, The horse was illuminated by an intense blue light, and there was a sound like static electricity in the air, but this wasn't ball lightning. The orb seemed to be intelligently controlled. When Gorman approached the horse with a flashlight, the orb darted off, manoeuvring through tree branches with speed and dexterity.

The Gormans say the blue spheres seemed to generate severe psychological effects on the family. Family members felt waves of fear roll over them, far in excess of what might be normal, whenever the blue orbs appeared. It was the appearance of one blue orb in particular that finally convinced the Gormans to sell the ranch. One evening in May 1996, Gorman was outside with three of his dogs when he noticed a blue orb darting around in the field near the ranch house. Gorman urged his dogs to go after the ball. The dogs chased and snapped at the orb, but it dodged and manoeuvred enough to stay just beyond the reach of their snapping jaws. The ball led the dogs out across the pasture and into the thick brush that borders the field. Gorman says he heard the dogs make three terrible yelps, then they were silent. He called for them, but they didn't respond.

The next morning, Gorman went to look for the dogs. What he found were three round spots of dried and brittle vegetation. In the middle of each circle was a black, greasy lump. Gorman surmised that his dogs had been incinerated by something. One thing for sure, the dogs were never seen again. The disappearance of their dogs prompted the Gormans to think about getting out.

http://www.realityuncovered.net/reality/articles/witchery_way.php
At any rate, I can’t imagine any child having to go through something like what you did in your encounters with that kind of phenomenon and how they would cause you to have such negative physical and emotional reactions to them too. All the while them being something completely out of yours and everybody else’s ‘frame of reference’ … well, if you were not traumatized by those encounters then you would not be normal. Incidents like these take a life-time to process and I’m sure when you recall everything that happened back then, it probably even feels like it just happened yesterday. I know that I can relate to that kind of thing and many others here in forum can too. Thanks for sharing!

In a change of subject, your comments about the basement in my childhood home was right on the mark! Lol

A99
01-21-2012, 08:00 PM
southerncross said:

A99 - the colorful spiders you see are amazing by your description. Do you get any impression from them as to whether they are harmful or neutral ?
I feel lucky that I don't see them as they sound distracting and it doesn't sound like any of you so far have been able to communicate with them.
I wonder if they are intelligent or simply other life forms like spiders or such ?

Definitely neutral but don't have time to explain more at this moment but will comment later because there's more that I want to add! talk later!

Would like to comment later on this part too..

My goodness i feel absolutely fortunate to have only had my experience after reading some of yours above! I have been lucky not to be frightened by any of the shadows and thus far the dead I see are always known to me or are imparting a message.

I havent' stated yet however the things that have occurred since seeing the shadow and hearing it bump through the house. I have had a series of dreams that repeat much like "groundhog day" (the movie) and a recurring message that repeats in French and English. I don't speak French by the way. Then there is the message I wrote down in the middle of the night that I do not recall writing. It has been an ongoing mystery, so much so that my Monsignor friend has suggested I speak to a priest friend of his that his quite versed in the matters and I will see him when I am in Tucson in late March. This all has to do with the reincarnation of a public figure in to another public figure and an exwife is trying to get a message to the reincarnated person. Sounds absolutely nuts I know, but that is where it has gone. Now I'm stuck with the message and a nagging exwife seeking forgiveness! It's almost comical.

A99
01-22-2012, 05:29 PM
Sorry for the delay in my getting back to you on this southerncross…..

Like I said, at least in my case, they’ve always seemed neutral though I do admit that whenever they show up, I get the sense that they are watching me. But what I wanted to say was, twice in their most recent appearance, on both nights, immediately after they disappeared, I felt as if something was leaning up against my back. I didn’t go into this before, but at the time when that would happen, whatever it was seemed to be the size of those spiders. I felt a pressure on my legs and back, like a round ball that then jumped up to the base of my neck where it seemed to merge into me. That’s when I decided enough is enough so I got out of bed and stayed up for awhile… the second night I was up almost the entire night and didn’t turn in until 4:40 AM hence why I didn’t wake up till 9:30 AM later that morning.
Seeing those kinds of beings are not distracting for me … in fact, I’m intrigued by them. But it’s another thing all together to have them… if it was one of them, lean up against me like that. So yes, in that sense, they are distracting and even moreso because there was no way I was going to remain in bed after that would occur.

As for them communicating to me, that’s never happened. But they most definitely do move with intelligence and I have walked over to one on the wall and put my hand near one where it then moved away to another part of the wall. Just saying that if I move closer to them, they move away. But I’ve also put my hand through them once or twice when they would not move away as if they were allowing me to do that. OLne time when I smashed one, it then disappeared while I was doing that… Another time when I smashed one, it moved away instead.

Southerncross said:

I have had a series of dreams that repeat much like "groundhog day" (the movie) and a recurring message that repeats in French and English. I don't speak French by the way. Then there is the message I wrote down in the middle of the night that I do not recall writing. It has been an ongoing mystery, so much so that my Monsignor friend has suggested I speak to a priest friend of his that his quite versed in the matters and I will see him when I am in Tucson in late March. This all has to do with the reincarnation of a public figure in to another public figure and an exwife is trying to get a message to the reincarnated person. Sounds absolutely nuts I know, but that is where it has gone. Now I'm stuck with the message and a nagging exwife seeking forgiveness! It's almost comical.

You sound like you're mediumstic Southerncross. Many times at night, as I am slipping into a slightly altered state of consciousness which is around the time when I usually decide to hit the sack, a presence will feel like they are weighing down on me then merging with me and as that is happening, thoughts will pop into my mind that are not my own where I may even see scenes playing out of complete strangers in my minds eye. But I sometimes get those uninvited spirit mergings while I'm sleeping too and I've kept a tape recorder near by in voice activated mode because sometime those spirits will speak through me and I've even recorded them doing that. This is why I sleep alone... my "friend" can't sleep with me because of the weird voices that occasionally come out from me while I'm sleeping. It's wakes him up when that happens where he has trouble falling back to sleep after that. So whenever he's here, he sleeps in the guestroom.

In your case, it sounds like it could be a spirit taking over your mind who has been communicating that information to you via through those dreams. Keep us updated on that ok?

southerncross
01-22-2012, 06:44 PM
That is absolutely fascinating. I too would draw the line at them curling up next to me or at the base of my neck. No thanks. My husband, who sees these large black figures hover over him occasionally, has gotten up and put his hand through them as you have. He said he didn't feel anything negative, sometimes a little faint static energy. Then he'd lay back in bed and go to sleep. Not sure I could do that. The most recent one however, when noticed by him and the dog, lifted vertically tot he ceiling as if intelligent and recoiling, then burst through the walls making bumping sounds. Something that has never happened before. It was the bump that woke me up. I sense intelligence, I just can't sense motive.

However it was a few nights later that my dreams began. I have never thought of myself as mediumistic, but you may be right. The one's that have appeared to me, communicate telepathically. My late sister was literally inches from my face and when she blew in to my face, my hair moved. So besides being visible, they can manipulate our environment around me. But I don't have control over seeing them. They either come or don't. I would like to be able to develop that better as I think there is much to learn from them. This current contact is very strong. I can usually shake them off, but she has been determined to contact the spirit of her reincarnated husband....as crazy as that might sound to people. I suppose there are far stranger things in the universe. But doing that will be a feat in itself. And why should a successful public figure care about a past life? I may be left holding the bag.

I have been reading a good deal on parallel universes and String Theory. I think we are very close to not just proving they exist but entering in to a relationship with them. When you consider that when one string (time line) which is usually closed, can be acted upon by a D-brane and open it briefly, then theoretically it is possible for information and life forms to cross over. To what ends, I don't know. But it is a fascinating thought to follow.

So far, I have been having dreams, but I can't get them to surface and stay with me long enough to write them down,...ideas as to how?

Redbone
01-23-2012, 07:59 PM
The 'Old Hag' sounds interesting but she is not what I am experiencing. The women I see is young and quite attractive, so it is not her physical appearance that bothers me. She mostly appears during a dreamstate. I am capable of lucid dreaming so I am aware of her presence. This annoys her because I have control. On occasion I have seen her enter my room when I was not yet sleeping. She has a white glow and she is transparent. Once I realized that I could see through her it scared me so bad, I let out a loud moan. Then she burst into thousands of little lights similiar to fireflies and dissappeared.
On a later appearance during a dream, I asked her why she did that and she said that I was never suppose to see her. I told her that she scared the daylights out of me, but she was not apologetic, she was as usual annoyed. I don't think she is a lost spirit, she seems to have an agenda but I keep spoiling her intentions.

southerncross
01-24-2012, 04:52 PM
Redbone, you rascal you ! Frustrating the ladies, lol
I don't know how I'd feel about a watcher when I was asleep though. Any way you can record where she stands ? Might be fascinating to catch her.

I woke in the middle of the night last night to a thump and a dragging sound over head. The only thing there are beams and insulation, so not sure what that was.
Things have just been more active since all this started in early Dec.

Redbone
01-24-2012, 06:54 PM
Redbone, you rascal you ! Frustrating the ladies, lol
I don't know how I'd feel about a watcher when I was asleep though. Any way you can record where she stands ? Might be fascinating to catch her.

I woke in the middle of the night last night to a thump and a dragging sound over head. The only thing there are beams and insulation, so not sure what that was.
Things have just been more active since all this started in early Dec.

Believe me, I am the one being frustrated. She has been visiting me for years but I have only seen her outside of a dreamstate twice. Both times she scared the crap out of me. I don't care how beautiful she is, it is just very unsettling to see a full physical apparition appear and walk towards you. I use to wear a sleep mask because I didn't want to wake up and see her. I finally got over that, but you can bet I still have an uneasiness everytime I wake up or hear something in my bedroom.

About a year and a half ago I was diagnosed with sleep apnea and have to wear a CPAP. Since then I have not seen her. I still encounter her in my dreams, but we are on an even playing field then.

As a child I had terrible nightmares due to witnessing my Dad commit suicide when I was five. I would literally wake up screaming uncontrollably. The nightmares got so bad they were affecting my mental and physical health to the point that I had a nervous breakdown as a young teenager. I literally learned to take control of my dreams out of self defense. When she appears in my dreams, I am not afraid. In fact she becomes afraid of me.

In Vietnam we had a saying, 'Yeah though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I will fear no Evil. For I am the evilest son of a bitch in the Valley!' When I am Lucid Dreaming I am the evilest one in my dreams. Anytime I am dreaming and I do not like the direction that a dream is taking me, I can stop it or change it. If anything in my dream threatens or scares me, I become the bigger monster and go after it.

Last time we meet didn't go well for her, so she hasn't been back recently. But everytime I close my eyes, I expect to see her or something like her.

kleemkrishnaya
03-15-2012, 06:49 AM
I really want to thank you for sharing, NewYorkLily, & other posters, too . . .this can not have been easy.

BTW I recently caught a glimpse of a WHITE shadow being; I mean, exactly like the dark version, complete with the triangular "hat" energy form above the head; but consisting some dead white, plastic-looking materiel. I was sitting on the sofa in my lounge at the time, when I & also "remembered" hitting one with my car near a shopping mall - an odd feeling that there's more, but I am unable to recall any further details. I am convinced that there is indeed a "thinning of the veils" underway. Strength & protection to all!

WildMage
03-19-2012, 04:04 AM
Ancient Aryan Discovery in Russia

Spiral cities built on remote Russian plains by swastika-painting Aryans

Russian archaeologists have unearthed some ancient and virtually unknown settlements which they believe were built by the original Aryan race about 4000 years ago.

According to the team which has discovered 20 of the spiral-shaped settlements in remote part of Russia steppe in southern Siberia bordering Kazakhstan, the buildings date back to the beginning of Western civilization in Europe.

The Bronze-age settlements, the experts said, could have been built shortly after the Great Pyramid some 4000 years ago by the original Aryan race whose swastika symbol was later adopted by the Nazis in the 1930s.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IXhJum2gQ
5:56 - 6:01

in regards to a portal:

It was a white pyramid and on that day a human approaching from the other side...


http://www.vaidilute.com/books/tilak/tilak-contents.html

Nighthawk
05-25-2012, 03:47 AM
Rosemary E Guiley The DJINN (Shadow People/beings)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3dqV9q_8oU
In this Bases Educational Suppliment with the AMMACH Project, The ultimate enemy of man kind is discussed here, with Rosemary Ellen Guiley, the Vengeful DJINN, older, even before Man ever "arrived" The DJINN are rather annoyed, and they are coming.
Seen as scuttlers, "mulitlegged" creatures, "Shadow People... all over this world.... black fluidic intelligent energy...
This interview provides a short history and decription of the DJINN, and a blatant simple warning. This early pre DVD version carries limited graphics and music by Nick Ashron, at nickashron.com

Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/megawatts1066

Flying Tiger Comics
07-31-2012, 05:41 AM
And yet another interviewer hung up on his own weird little mind trip and all his preconceptions! God, why can't we just get neutral interviews, especially about real cutting edge concepts like the Jinn.

southerncross
07-31-2012, 07:59 PM
I agree with you. Many people are operating on the wrong premise in my opinion.
I am currently working with a couple physicists on this and other topics. They are working in the Quantum Mechanic field and are convinced that QM and these reported shadows are related. They are quite cautious as to drawing any conclusions as yet, but they are on the dimensional approach to these shadows.

The last one I had any experience with dashed out of the room, through 2 walls making a thumping sound as it did. It makes me believe they are energetic with out mass.

A99
08-08-2012, 03:17 PM
Hi Southerncross, could you keep us updated on your work with those physicists in regards to shadow beings and other topics too?
That sounds interesting!




I agree with you. Many people are operating on the wrong premise in my opinion.
I am currently working with a couple physicists on this and other topics. They are working in the Quantum Mechanic field and are convinced that QM and these reported shadows are related. They are quite cautious as to drawing any conclusions as yet, but they are on the dimensional approach to these shadows.

The last one I had any experience with dashed out of the room, through 2 walls making a thumping sound as it did. It makes me believe they are energetic with out mass.

Fore
08-08-2012, 04:49 PM
I agree with you. Many people are operating on the wrong premise in my opinion.
I am currently working with a couple physicists on this and other topics. They are working in the Quantum Mechanic field and are convinced that QM and these reported shadows are related. They are quite cautious as to drawing any conclusions as yet, but they are on the dimensional approach to these shadows. Depending on which angle they are researching I think they are on the right track.


The last one I had any experience with dashed out of the room, through 2 walls making a thumping sound as it did. It makes me believe they are energetic with out mass.I have seen the same phenomena as well.

I believe that it is related to paranormal "influence". In a "sub-reality" called "influence space", all physical objects and their related phenomena are represented as "influence" potentials. Everything from heat to gravity to various quantum parallel states.

Indeterminate potentials (in a sense) are also represented there. (Think the effects of Pre-cognition)

Bonus: "Influence Space" is not linear in many senses of the word. That topic is a complicated assortment of complex introductions.

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Psychics who generate excessive "influence" in "influence space" can change the behavioral aspects of the constants of physics behind objects. In other words they change the "influence" double of a physical object or physical process. Thereby leading to "paranormal phenomena". Paranormal side effects would occur because the objects double in "influence space" are altered and thereby the physical object in physical space experiences a change in physics behavior.

An entity that has no corporeal [physical] form (think Shadow entity) still has an influence double acting out events in "Influence space". When it runs through the "influence" version of the wall in "influence space" it directly disturbs the constants that describe the physical wall.

The result from the interference of two incompatible influence structures "colliding" with one another is a third interference pattern occurs (like a shockwave or alteration). Usually this "disturbance" in the "influence copy" of the wall will manifests itself in the physical version of the wall as a short burst of irregular physics.

The interference pattern from [the "disturbance"] may cause processes in physics to go slightly out of whack for a short moment. Meaning paranormal and supernatural like effects results.

The wall might spontaneously get colder or static arcs or spontaneous oscillation (vibration) or electrical disturbances or even unexplained and sudden inertia occur. Even up to abnormal physical anomalies that should not occur in regular physics. This is all because the physical properties of the wall experiences a minor disturbance in it's representational "influence double" in "influence space".

Often in paranormal circles people encounter the interference as it propagates throughout an environment or object as it is caused by an entity that has no corporeal representation.

Human beings (whom are psychic) can also generate these interference patterns in the "influence copy" of the environment. They tend to call these interference patterns "psychic energy".

Normal human beings who are not psychic can still generate these interference patterns during extreme experiences. (pleasurable or painful)

Even the appearance of "Shadow Beings" (3D shadow forms) are simply a result of "influence" interference patterns which momentarily alter standard physics operations.

I believe at SRI they studied individual whom could alter the number generators probability by exerting influence interference on these devices. The randomized patterns generators are affected by the influence interference pattern. Physics change as the effect is sustained.

Macro-PK is simply a controlled form of this, as are voices from paranormal sources. I am unsure as to EVP.

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If you want, forward them this text, and see if you friends in research find any good clues as to where to change directions in the research.

The Paranormal research crowd still appears to think that these "influence" interference patterns that entities [and human psychics] generate are related to matter and energy conversion in the "standard" sense. They would be wrong. (IMO)

It is more like throwing a monkey wrench at the physics behind reality. Sometimes proverbial sparks fly when physics anomalies are introduced momentarily. _Usually_ the "Influence patterns" behind physical processes have an affinity to remain unchanged.

Though in some cases, if you lob an "Influence" interference pattern with intelligent control, the physics behind an object, person or environment can change rather permanently. (Depends on many variables)

(That opens to doors to indirect manipulation of physics, PSI research, and PSI weapons research believe it or not....)

A99
08-08-2012, 05:24 PM
Granted most Shadow Beings are seen as shadows on a wall where sometimes they show up as looking very 3-D too, there are also many cases of seeing them 'fly' from the wall or even out of no-where where they are seen as dark forms in mid-air right in front of you. I would not even be mentioning this had I not seen those kinds of shadow beings too.
Also, in my own case, when those spider shadow beings were showing up for several days on 2 separate occasions, I would often times put my hand through those beings but never once did I feel any temperature change in that spot when they were there... (but need to double check my notes on that...may have been one occasion when I noticed a temp. change). I would do that when they would reach their destination from across the room where they would stop on the wall next to my bed and just sit there before they would then fade away a few seconds later.
This said though, certainly everything should be considered in our analysis of this phenomenon and your comments about walls in regards to this phenomenon in some situations is worth pondering over.
As for EVP, as a long time researcher in that field, EVP, just like all paranormal phenomena, are interference patterns from non-physical realms.

atmjjc
08-08-2012, 07:44 PM
I did have an episode with what might be referred to a shadow being which I posted here...

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?484-Interesting-entity-encounter-in-Tennessee

The symmetry of this object or being was quite remarkable and it comes remarkably close to a symbol which I recalled in a Martinist document that I have viewed some time ago. Aleister Crowley has gotten much credit for this symbol but the document I have witnessed was purported to be of the 16th and 17th century making. This symbol has basically the same characteristics of the being I witnessed and posted in March 2012 which New York Lilly started. You can look at the symbol at this link...

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=aleister+crowley+symbols&start=117&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&biw=1120&bih=561&tbm=isch&prmd=imvnso&tbnid=lWHMkXj_wH_gcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.occult-woodcarving.com/Index-1.html&docid=LYl-C5lLLIznRM&imgurl=http://www.occult-woodcarving.com/images/alhex.png&w=500&h=570&ei=_qsiUI-TJoiE2QX99oGoCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=611&vpy=200&dur=5024&hovh=240&hovw=210&tx=121&ty=207&sig=102218947005153349213&page=7&tbnh=178&tbnw=165&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:117,i:163

A99
08-08-2012, 09:54 PM
Shadow Beings usually show up in the same shapes for most people and that's one of the unique aspects of this phenomenon. But there are also a few reports of them showing up in a shape no one has yet reported and it sounds like this may be the case in your sighting of one atmjjc. I have yet to run into a report that a shadow being is conveying a message in some way but the one you saw, due to the interpretation of that symbol, seems be conveying the message to you that it's protecting you from evil or it's telling you any of those other things that this symbol stands for. On the other hand, let's delve into this a little more shall we? Supposing we look at Carl Jung's 'Shadow' concept and then take that further and interpret it within the context of what that symbol means and how it relates to you in someway. That may be something worth exploring. I could do the same and find out more about the symbolic interpretation of the spider and inject that with Jung's Shadow concept and perhaps find out more about myself.

Fore
08-09-2012, 12:43 AM
Granted most Shadow Beings are seen as shadows on a wall where sometimes they show up as looking very 3-D too, there are also many cases of seeing them 'fly' from the wall or even out of no-where where they are seen as dark forms in mid-air right in front of you. I would not even be mentioning this had I not seen those kinds of shadow beings too. Yeah, I have noticed those various forms as well.



Also, in my own case, when those spider shadow beings were showing up for several days on 2 separate occasions, I would often times put my hand through those beings but never once did I feel any temperature change in that spot when they were there... (but need to double check my notes on that...may have been one occasion when I noticed a temp. change). Yeah, I did that too but mostly with the humaniod types.

Sticking my hands/body directly into/through them to see what the sensation was like "usually" made them recoil or move away. I noticed though that the effects vary depending on the "influence" configuration that the entity is using.

When doing that to see what the sensation is like, it causes a variety of strange effects. In some it will cause some pain in whatever part of your body that intersects with "their form". Other times it was a sensation of electricity. Other times static. Sometimes a spot in mid-air of coldness or sometimes excess heat.

Other times you can "bump" into them and you feel like you are hitting a denser air mass than the rest of the environment.

Those are all bodily sensations though, at an ESP level I experience them in a different way through the "influence" they gave off.





I would do that when they would reach their destination from across the room where they would stop on the wall next to my bed and just sit there before they would then fade away a few seconds later. I have seen that a few times. Partial body apparitions in color.(to the naked eye)

Did you get the footsteps the apparitions make as well?


This said though, certainly everything should be considered in our analysis of this phenomenon and your comments about walls in regards to this phenomenon in some situations is worth pondering over. Walls were just one tiny context. The effect I described is basically for everything from the air the beings travel through to solid objects and peoples living tissues. It is (in my experience) governed by the same principles.


As for EVP, as a long time researcher in that field, EVP, just like all paranormal phenomena, are interference patterns from non-physical realms.

I dunno, the thing about EVP and some of the other phenomena is how they encode the waveforms?

I have heard ghosts and apparitions speak audibly (at low db's) through out the day. Though, I could never really figure out how they managed to produce verbalized sound without vocal chords.

I have no set theory on how that is possible. There has to be a transmissible paranormal phenomena for it to happen but I have not been able to figure it out.

I also do not understand how it is possible for any Entity to encode waveforms in electrical pulses. I understand how they could make noise...but I have no real technical clue as to how they achieve the encoding process.

With electronics the sound form is electrically encoded as a signal. Some of the EVP work has moved away from the mic pick ups and into weird territory with waveform analysis without the mic being the pick up source.

For an entity to encode an intelligent [let alone intelligible signal] they would have to understand how the process works at a nuanced level to make it come out the way they would hope for.

So it seems nearly impossible for intelligible signals to be formed through mic-less EVP work. Heck I don't even know how they do it with a mic!

How do they transmit sound through the air without vocal chords to approximate the range and vibrations in the air?

A99
08-09-2012, 01:55 AM
Thanks for your comments Fore and I'll comment on them tomorrow morning. :)

atmjjc
08-09-2012, 04:35 AM
Shadow Beings usually show up in the same shapes for most people and that's one of the unique aspects of this phenomenon. But there are also a few reports of them showing up in a shape no one has yet reported and it sounds like this may be the case in your sighting of one atmjjc. I have yet to run into a report that a shadow being is conveying a message in some way but the one you saw, due to the interpretation of that symbol, seems be conveying the message to you that it's protecting you from evil or it's telling you any of those other things that this symbol stands for. On the other hand, let's delve into this a little more shall we? Supposing we look at Carl Jung's 'Shadow' concept and then take that further and interpret it within the context of what that symbol means and how it relates to you in someway. That may be something worth exploring. I could do the same and find out more about the symbolic interpretation of the spider and inject that with Jung's Shadow concept and perhaps find out more about myself.

I can make an analogy of the being I caught a glimpse of...

You are looking in a fish tank when out of the blue a strange looking fish you have never witnessed before peers back at you. A subjective analysis of the behavior of what is witnessed is the fish is intelligent and just as curious of you as you are of the fish. The fish detects movement from you and scurries on behind something out of visual sight.

Okay, let’s entertain Jung’s theory of the ‘collective unconscious’ and the term he used as ‘unus mundus’ He seemed to be contemplating in analogical argument of when does matter form in this fundamental contemplative world we recognize in our shared unconscious and formative symbolism of the archetype.

I do believe IMO, our reality in what we derive as life with the arrow of time moving forward as ‘artificial’ and we can examine and correlate Jung’s’ hypothesis with physics. There are models of scientific theory today which hold his thoughts as relative to scientific predictions of this artificial reality.

Some physicists are in the belief that the arrow of time actually reflects backward from the future to the past and often represent it as a hologram. If this be the case than Jung theory in part would hold up to scrutiny since we would all in some way be able in theory, to live or glimpse all aspects of the artificial universes.

I am curious A99 of your view as to the symbolism being a protection of evil. I am open to this if you can elaborate. Is this a psychic feeling you are receiving?

A99
08-09-2012, 06:19 PM
Atmjjc, I googled up that symbol and one of the things they said was that it's used to ward off evil. This is why I mentioned that. I do know that some experiencer's sense that the ones that show up for them are not only watching them... but are protecting them in some way too. I too have sensed this at times. But I most definitely DO feel that they are watching me when they show up. IOW, 'it' is observing me just as I am observing 'it'. Also, good to see that you are a fan of Jung. I am too!

A99
08-09-2012, 06:46 PM
@fore, you stated "I have heard ghosts and apparitions speak audibly (at low db's) through out the day. Though, I could never really figure out how they managed to produce verbalized sound without vocal chords."
Perhaps it would be helpful for you to do some research on this but that would mean that you would have to venture outside of the paradigm that you are operating from to be able to consider others explanations on this type of phenomena. After ruling out any psychiatric problems, like schizophrenia, for example, (but only a psychologist or psychiatrist is qualified to do that)* ... then you can research on the history of psychic phenomena. There's much information on the internet to dive into and I think it would be worth your time to do that.

* um... that may not be a good idea because seeing or hearing anything that is in the paranormal category automatically qualifies someone as a nutcase ... forget I even mentioned it.

Fore
08-09-2012, 11:10 PM
@fore, you stated "I have heard ghosts and apparitions speak audibly (at low db's) through out the day. Though, I could never really figure out how they managed to produce verbalized sound without vocal chords."
[COLOR=#333333]Perhaps it would be helpful for you to do some research on this but that would mean that you would have to venture outside of the paradigm that you are operating from to be able to consider others explanations on this type of phenomena. I am (and always have been) open to working [logical] solutions and suggestions.

The paranormal research community has a wealth of information that even I do not have. More or less it seems it is statistics and experimental findings. But typically if you ask a hard question the things they give out seem implausible, unfounded, crazy or as if they were half baked ideas.

Perhaps it is a case of paradigm lock on my part. But I like to field which researchers seem to have a viable hypothesis from the majority whom seem to have come out of some "crack pot" think tank.


After ruling out any psychiatric problems, like schizophrenia, for example, (but only a psychologist or psychiatrist is qualified to do that)* ... then you can research on the history of psychic phenomena. That could be a factor. I don't believe I have any Bi-Polar issues though.

I recall it gave guests to my house the creeps while growing up. (It was resolved by turning up a radio when the invisible chatter was abound in the air) Actually most of them had a foreboding sense before they even got to the front door. Lucky/Unlucky for us in the family, the first time visit was usually the last. The walking footsteps rarely went on when strangers were visiting. Some of the apparitions are strangely shy when friends came over.

Perhaps, I had developed a form of contagious schizophrenia or proximity hallucinogens? (im joking)

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I heard from some of the apparitions that they followed them home. How do I know this is true? Well, (not always) the people would say so in a surreptitious way. Then the visitors and family friends would avoid coming over. Not that I could've really do anything about it anyway.

Anyway, you could lay awake on the bed and hear more than one ghost talking to another. I gave off so much psychic output that at least 20 to 40 coming and going apparitions had more than enough juice to cause all manner of paranormal events.

From there I learned directly from a wide range of apparitions what I wanted to know. Cross checking what they claimed vs what is real. There were plenty of opportunities. Even in terms of experimenting with them or on them. From how fast they expended "psychic energy" [Influence] to how they perform advanced paranormal tricks by observing their actions and coordination with each other.

Anyway, unfortunately they were just collecting around a hot spot of activity. The paranormal types were just a side show to "other" activity going on.

The "other activity" is where I learned everything you see me write. Some of it though is from direct observation of entities interacting with each other.

Fore
08-09-2012, 11:11 PM
There's much information on the internet to dive into and I think it would be worth your time to do that. Any [credible] cliff notes on the topic of voice modulation hypothesis?

Not the EVP vareity, just the direct to ear kind.

Also, any [credible] research into why the shadow forms remain anthropomorphic? I noticed that many of the apparitions retain a Humanoid form at the ESP level but when they manifest a physical distortion they usually don't come out fully humanoid. Some are like a ball type distortion, some a cloudy form with a core humanoid form etc.

Fore
08-09-2012, 11:46 PM
* um... that may not be a good idea because seeing or hearing anything that is in the paranormal category automatically qualifies someone as a nutcase ... forget I even mentioned it. [/COLOR]

Yeah, hehe, some do think that. But...if you think about it, it means that for now at least there is no oversight of psychic activity at this point in time on this Earth. You can pretty much get away with anything if so inclined.

As with my neighbors, if they accidentally saw my paranormal abilities, you can easily use the current paradigm of thinking to make them appear crazy in front of others if they assert any claims loudly. (as has accidentally happened to me) Its a shameful act to perform considering they noticed something but useful in terms of keeping things in check.

It's amazing how you can utterly confuse someones rational state of mind by simply mind reading some series of important facts they haven't told anyone and just point it out to them then and there. You can even use spiritual apparitions to relay activities that a person does behind closed doors. (They usually have nothing better to do anyway)

I did that to one of my [former] neighbors a few years ago by revealing information that was in his head. I used one of my family members and another neighbor to throw off suspicions from myself being the source. That guy got so mad accusing everyone of talking to each other that he got from one end of the city to the other in less than five minutes. (about 10 miles) I got scolded by some for messing with the guy but it was a fun game to play on him.

I used one of the willing apparitions available at the time to head over and relay the conversations it witnessed. (It sucked at keeping things in proper context) I did the remote presence surveillance myself. The family and I had very good laughs as I notified them of my non-standard collection activities. (The neighbor was not a nice guy so I didn't much care)

I could even sense the phone numbers they were dialing in real time from a location on the other side of the city. (Remote Presence+Mind Reading) I had a lot of fun and behind the scenes....I would relay information and details between people that was collected "unconventionally". Conventional people in society keep way too many secrets from each other anyway.

In the end, only one neighbor was okay with the whole thing. Though I never told her where the abilities were developed nor whom taught them to me. Another neighbor whom did learn all the details was more scared and afraid at what I could do than anything else.

She thought I was reading her mind 24/7 or had deals with the devil or something. She was one of the few that ever actually saw the wide variety of abilities I once had. (She actually only saw what I could do at 20% of my normal activity)

It didn't take her long to assume too much and become incredibly paranoid and fearful even though I never did anything to harm her. All I did was show her the ranges of psychic activity I still had at the time. Though as a result of using my abilities in front of her, her house became a hotspot as apparitions became attracted by the output I was giving off.

She left her house moved to California after her paranoia focused on me got out of hand. We had a falling out and I moved out with the family. She gave her house to her brother (the not so nice guy) and that guy (a grown man) was left to deal with the apparitions. He wasn't aware of the activity at first because she didn't tell him about it. He was such a scaredy cat when encountering the paranormal.

Eventually he slept with *all* the lights turned on. I would walk by the house on my way home nearby. The guy turned on everything electrical that made sound or produced lights. Eventually the electric bill got so high that they cut it off.

That is when his terror during the night time got to him. His other brother (nice guy) would tell me that his brother was insane. (the nice brother is skeptical towards the paranormal) The nicer brother told me some of the stories I had already heard from the paranormal apparitions that I asked to keep an eye on him (for entertainment value).

So most of it was rehashing what I had already heard, but from the mans perspective. One day, the paranormal got too friendly and grabbed him while asleep and tried to drag him out of bed/couch. (Malicious types I bet)

I heard from one of apparitions what they witnessed while sitting in my home a few blocks away. They relayed the same story that I heard from the brother the next day. The entity grabbed him by the leg and attempted to pull him from the couch. The brother also mentioned the incessant walking that would happen in the hallway (where all the light used to be left on). Anyway it was too much for him and he was terrified. He ran to his car and got the heck out of there. He went flying across the city to the nicer brothers house and stayed there and squatted on his couch in the living room and abandoned the property.

The man refused to go back and when I walked by the house it indeed had been abandoned.

The sister learned the (not so nice) brother had abandoned the house and was angry (much to my chargin). Funny to me, but probably not to him or his sister.

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This is like Earths wild west, you can pretty much go unnoticed as a psychic. If anyone does notice what you are doing, you can always play the "credulity card" that "there are obviously no such things as the paranormal or beyond". Their inculcated sensibility is supposed to subdue them into realizing that they did not actually see...what they did actually see. (Not my proudest moments though)

If a Doc gets you in his or her office there are really funny psychic tricks to do which can make him or her think they might be losing it. :)

I personally have always wanted to grab a hard core skeptic by the hand and introduce them face to face with the various kinds I have met. How does a rational skeptic react with such a circumstance? Do they panic? Lose their marbles? Well at least I know how a not so nice guy and his sister reacted to it.

They only met the paranormal side of the family. Wonder what they would have done with the ET side? (Most spiritual entities are pretty scared of the ETs by the way...freaks them way out when they come by)

A99
08-10-2012, 01:00 PM
My public wifi has been down due to bad weather conditions... it finally just came up again a few minutes ago but am just out the door... if it's still up when i get back, will comment on your recent posts... talk later!

A99
08-10-2012, 02:44 PM
I am (and always have been) open to working [logical] solutions and suggestions.The paranormal research
community has a wealth of information that even I do not have. More or less it seems it is statistics and
experimental findings. But typically if you ask a hard question the things they give out seem implausible,
unfounded, crazy or as if they were half baked ideas.






Ok, so which researchers "seem" to you to have a viable hypothesis on any given paranormal topic? Who are
they? What are their names? Just wondering.

If you don't remember their names... can you give one example of one of their theories on any given topic. Since you are scientifically
oriented, I would imagine Persinger and his Tectonic Strain Theory would be on your list right? So that's one but who are the others?

A99
08-10-2012, 02:50 PM
Anyway, you could lay awake on the bed and hear more than one ghost talking to another. I gave off so much psychic output that at least 20 to 40 coming and going apparitions had more than enough juice to cause all manner of paranormal events.

What do they say? Can you give an example of what they were chatting about?

There's more stuff I want to comment on and ask but for now, am interested in your response on these 2 questions. :)

A99
08-10-2012, 07:41 PM
I recall it gave guests to my house the creeps while growing up. (It was resolved by turning up a radio when the invisible chatter was abound in the air) Actually most of them had a foreboding sense before they even got to the front door. Lucky/Unlucky for us in the family, the first time visit was usually the last. The walking footsteps rarely went on when strangers were visiting. Some of the apparitions are strangely shy when friends came over.

@fore, I can relate to some of the stuff you are saying here and there's no question
in my mind, especially because I'm aware of some of your abilities, that what
you are saying here is the truth. Yes, spirits that are around us sometime to speak
audibly where others who are nearby will hear their voices too. In my own case, this has
only happened to me twice but where someone else was around and heard the voice too but when I'm
alone, it happens quite often. And when things are really active, I keep a recorder
nearby to turn it on to catch those voices. And even in my EVP sessions, many times
they will speak out loud too.


In a change of subject, last night when my internet service went off,
I decided to clean out some of my folders on my laptop. And while doing that, I found
a notepad file of a dream I had back in July, 2011 where an old friend showed up in it
whom I have not seen in over 20 years.


I always try to record my more lucid dreams immediately when I wake up because sometimes
they turn out to be either precognitive or later on are seen to be significant in some way.
In fact, I usually wake up right after I have lucid dreams like that even if I get one in
the middle of the night.


Well anyway, I'm only bringing this up because a couple of months ago someone told me
that my friend, the one who showed up in that dream, passed away back in February of 2011.
Of course I was shocked to hear that but
at the time when I found that out, I had completely forgotten about that lucid dream I had
of him back in July of last year.... until I stumbled on that file last night while cleaning
out the folder it was in.
So he died in Feb of 2011 and five months later he popped into one of my dreams where I had
no idea that he had died... nor have I ever even thought about him in over 20 years either and
that's why I thought it odd that I would have dream of him at the time when he showed up in one!


The dream itself was totally absurd... Marco, as we called him was a big clown and one time by the pool-
side party back years ago he wrapped a beach towel around him to make it look like a toga and yelled
"Hail Caesar!" after pushing someone into the pool. So it's not surprising that he showed up in my
dream first dressed up as Julius Caesar. Me, Marco and a woman dressed up like she was from the
1950's were standing in some kind of an enclosed courtyard of a castle with high stone walls and
a huge big gate at the entrance. Then at one point in that dream, Marco changed from looking like
Caesar to looking like some kind of Conan the Barbarian. Below is a screenshot of that dream
I typed out in notepad. I also include the property box for that file which shows when I created
it.... and his obit from the Plain Dealer.


I think Marco was just dropping in to say hi from beyond the veil... and, I'm glad he did too! :)
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southerncross
08-11-2012, 10:53 PM
They are convinced that what happened to me and what continues to happen is a real phenomenon and we are currently waiting for one of the 3 to return from the west coast in October to share this with and bring his thought in to it. They are going to move slow as the want to pin this down in black and white physics, and not something anecdotal. So I am being forced to be patient when I want to go whole hog. Science is science and it is a tough mistress.

Meanwhile I do get precog dreams and some I don't like. Like the 3 I have had dealing with the military and martial law in Washington DC. It disturbed me as the last time they had Martial law in DC was after the death of MLK. So I was unnerved.
Problem with these is I got no time frame. Only thing I saw was trees on the leaves and the capitol building dome, tanks and armed military on the ground. Not comforting.

A99
08-12-2012, 12:57 AM
Do keep us updated on that. Oct. may seem a long way away but it will come up sooner than you think! Because shadow being experiences are so insurmountably ubiquitous, I would not be surprised if any of those scientists have had their own experiences or they have someone close to them who has seen them hence another reason why they might be interested in this phenomenon. But whatever the case may be, your experience of hearing them go thump into the night is a unique one so it's great that they are want to evaluate it further.

As for your recurring dreams of something happening in Washington DC. If I ever had one like that I too would find it very unsettling. Thanks for sharing and hope it never happens but then again, sometimes these dreams do turn out to be precognitive ... for better or worse. Thanks for sharing.

Also want to add that I'm surprised to see that post of that dream in this thread because when I clicked on "Post" after I typed it out, it would not post (probably due to the weak internet connection I have now due to bad weather conditions here in my neck of the woods) . So then a little later I decided to start up a new thread in this sub-forum on that dream instead... lol, now I'm seeing that in fact that dream did post here so now I have it up twice in this sub-forum... oh well, I'm glad it's here in this thread now because then you ended up telling us about your dream. :)



They are convinced that what happened to me and what continues to happen is a real phenomenon and we are currently waiting for one of the 3 to return from the west coast in October to share this with and bring his thought in to it. They are going to move slow as the want to pin this down in black and white physics, and not something anecdotal. So I am being forced to be patient when I want to go whole hog. Science is science and it is a tough mistress.

Meanwhile I do get precog dreams and some I don't like. Like the 3 I have had dealing with the military and martial law in Washington DC. It disturbed me as the last time they had Martial law in DC was after the death of MLK. So I was unnerved.
Problem with these is I got no time frame. Only thing I saw was trees on the leaves and the capitol building dome, tanks and armed military on the ground. Not comforting.

Fore
08-12-2012, 01:51 AM
What do they say? Can you give an example of what they were chatting about?

There's more stuff I want to comment on and ask but for now, am interested in your response on these 2 questions. :)It's been a while since then. The points that stick out in my memory are hearing them talk about us in the room. My sister (the most skeptical part of the family) slept on that bed in particular in her room.

She used to sleep with my mom next to her (cause who wouldn't if disembodied voices where chiming in over your head). The voices sometimes were unintelligible but you could tell they were clearly speech using common language. Sometimes in English, sometimes in Spanish, sometimes in an unknown language.

They happened more often to my sister than to me. Over her bed there was the two or three vortexes that researchers have noticed near some haunted places. Her room was at the far end of the house we used to live at, at the time. The three or two tears were about 2 or 3 feet above the air. Most of the partial body apparitions appeared right next to their bed. I still recall seeing (in color) the appearance of a woman though her bottom half below the thighs was missing.

The presence of the ET and myself seemed to cause the "influence" space within the home to distort in very severe ways. Many visitors stated they felt a foreboding presence around the home. Many of the experiments I ran with my ET group involved high output test runs on different kinds of paranormal abilities. Often with short pauses in between to discuss points or different methods.

The Paranormal spiritual beings seemed to be attracted by the high output of influence from my body and that of the ET that came around very often. Most of them absorbed the excess and manifested in many ways. Everyone in the family knew of it and just downplayed it and then later bemoaned the activity when it got to be too much.

I wasn't fully aware as I am now that I was the cause of the activity as were the ET. I was technically aware to some degree, but I really didn't understand the full implications and the interrelated issues...though suspected of many things.

Hopefully that answers the question.

Fore
08-12-2012, 02:13 AM
What do they say? Can you give an example of what they were chatting about?

There's more stuff I want to comment on and ask but for now, am interested in your response on these 2 questions. :)By the way, the same entities I just mentioned (two ghostly spirit men) used to bother my sister alot. They used to scare her by holding her within her dream state. Often they would recreate the room in her dream state and then torment her within the dream by manifesting as agitant entities slamming on walls or trying to get in through the closed door.

They did it for personal enjoyment more than anything else. (bored spirituals)

I one time came into the room while she was sleeping and noticed the two of them engaged in that stupid activity of penetrating into her dreams. I recall I observed them doing that and after a few second of scanning them and analyzing how they both did it. I psychically interrupted the process and told them to scram.

It was from those two idiots that I first got a glimpse of how the entities embed themselves in a dreaming persons mind. I got to witness it first hand and that probably the only reason I recall them.

When the Spirituals (ghosts mostly) got too out of hand I would overwhelm them and take control of their weak ghostly presence. Using the knowledge the ET imparted to me about how various psychic systems work. Sometimes if I was in a bad mood I would experiment different methods of applying discomfort. Though more often than not they would just attack me for doing that to them.

Fore
08-12-2012, 02:16 AM
Ok, so which researchers "seem" to you to have a viable hypothesis on any given paranormal topic? Who are
they? What are their names? Just wondering.

If you don't remember their names... can you give one example of one of their theories on any given topic. Since you are scientifically
oriented, I would imagine Persinger and his Tectonic Strain Theory would be on your list right? So that's one but who are the others?I don't usually keep their names in mind.

I looked up Persinger and Tectonic Strain Theory. I can walk you through several errors hes made and why his results are basically inconsistent. Probably should save this for my own thread though. It will also be a low priority as I want to touch on significant points.

A99
08-12-2012, 09:01 PM
Thanks for your comments Fore... wifi weak again today but will comment more later on what you're saying here!

A99
08-13-2012, 01:25 PM
They happened more often to my sister than to me. Over her bed there was the two or three vortexes that researchers have noticed near some haunted places. Her room was at the far end of the house we used to live at, at the time. The three or two tears were about 2 or 3 feet above the air.

I once captured an excellent photo of one of those transdimensional tears that occurs in the fabric of our dimension during those times of high strangeness. Somehow I lost it over the years... I think it was when my computer crashed one time and somehow I didn't have that photo included in my photo album back-up that I kept on my server. But anyway, It looked like a large ragged sheet dangling from the ceiling of what some spiritualists spirit photographers call an 'photographic ectoplasmic structure' as that's how such dimensional openings show up photographically sometimes. I'm not a Spiritualist and do not like such archaic terms as 'ectoplasma' but that's what they are called by most of us non-spiritualists too who are also 'spirit photographers' like I am. Here's parts of another photo that I took a few years ago where that showed up in it too. Only in this case, it was just a small section and it -- the portal was opening from my computer that I was sitting in front of at that time as I was recording an evp session. 683

A99
08-13-2012, 02:01 PM
Saying that they are '"bored spirituals" is a very subjective observation Fore because 'sensitives' throughout the ages witness and experience those low level human and/or non-human intelligence's who do things to induce fear to feed off of that energy-- those ones are energy vampires. They are not there just because they are bored. lol. This does not include those human disincarnates from higher levels who visit their loved ones for various reasons or those protective and guardian spirituals who are around us all the time. I have never encountered an experiencer, including myself, who has sensed that a spiritual is showing up at any given time just because it is bored.

But this is not to say that your observations are incorrect on that one and if that is what you were sensing at the time when they were showing up then who am I to negate that? But to imply that all of them were showing up for that reason is a rather sweeping statement that also implies that that is the only reason why they show up at all in the first place.







By the way, the same entities I just mentioned (two ghostly spirit men) used to bother my sister alot. They used to scare her by holding her within her dream state. Often they would recreate the room in her dream state and then torment her within the dream by manifesting as agitant entities slamming on walls or trying to get in through the closed door.

They did it for personal enjoyment more than anything else. (bored spirituals)

I one time came into the room while she was sleeping and noticed the two of them engaged in that stupid activity of penetrating into her dreams. I recall I observed them doing that and after a few second of scanning them and analyzing how they both did it. I psychically interrupted the process and told them to scram.

It was from those two idiots that I first got a glimpse of how the entities embed themselves in a dreaming persons mind. I got to witness it first hand and that probably the only reason I recall them.

When the Spirituals (ghosts mostly) got too out of hand I would overwhelm them and take control of their weak ghostly presence. Using the knowledge the ET imparted to me about how various psychic systems work. Sometimes if I was in a bad mood I would experiment different methods of applying discomfort. Though more often than not they would just attack me for doing that to them.

Fore
08-13-2012, 02:07 PM
If such things as ectoplasm exist, I never recall encountering it.

The couple of spiritual manifestations I encountered left no more than an ambient discharge of concentrated influence in the environment (at ESP level). I can't say I ever saw a physical by-product in the sense of ectoplasm. The only hypothesis I can come up with for ectoplasm residue is maybe deterioration of preexisting material or perhaps a much higher beed of psychic talents that I don't think a normal ghost could pull off. (Material Manifestation)

The vortexes were suspended above the bed about 2 or 3 feet above it in the air. I recall the perpetual distortions would cause physical anomalies. One of the perpetual distortions I created myself at another point in my former house.

A99
08-13-2012, 02:25 PM
If such things as ectoplasm exist, I never recall encountering it.

Fore, just because you yourself have never encountered it does not mean that it does not exist.
I just showed you what a photographic ectoplasmic structure looks like so at least you have seen that. :)

A99
08-13-2012, 02:53 PM
I can't say I ever saw a physical by-product in the sense of ectoplasm. The only hypothesis I can come up with for ectoplasm residue is maybe deterioration of preexisting material or perhaps a much higher beed of psychic talents that I don't think a normal ghost could pull off. (Material Manifestation)

Ectoplasm (from the Greek ektos, meaning "outside", and plasma, meaning "something formed or molded") ...
It can be seen at various stages from non-physical and etheric to a full blown physical manifestation. It can also be seen photographically even when not seen with the naked eye.

I would like to just call it another name but am not in a position to be making up my own terms for such things without having other researchers in the field running after me with shovels and pitchforks for doing that. Ectoplasm is an archaic term that old time Spiritualists came up with. Most who hear it automatically think it only looks like what we seen in those old ectoplasm photo's from the early 20th century where fraud was rampant. Though there are some authentic photo's too of mediums exuding that substance and those of us who are educated on these matters know which ones they are.

A99
08-13-2012, 03:09 PM
The vortexes were suspended above the bed about 2 or 3 feet above it in the air. I recall the perpetual distortions would cause physical anomalies. One of the perpetual distortions I created myself at another point in my former house.

In such situations, what I see with my naked eye is a large mass of plasma that seems to be electrified (transient lightning-like lines are seen in them too)... it's like looking through a suspended pool of water in mid-air. IOW, it looks like a transparent pool of water. When they show up, I see soft colors swirling within them and even see transient shapes of things form in them too.

Fore
08-13-2012, 05:58 PM
In such situations, what I see with my naked eye is a large mass of plasma that seems to be electrified (transient lightning-like lines are seen in them too)... it's like looking through a suspended pool of water in mid-air. IOW, it looks like a transparent pool of water. When they show up, I see soft colors swirling within them and even see transient shapes of things form in them too.Yeah, I know what you are referring to.

Though I never considered it to be plasma. More like static and electrical discharges. Um, like a momentary flash bulb of various colors or (less like) ball lighting.

Do these kinds of physical anomalies (induced by paranormal means) and distortions qualify as "ectoplasm"?


Ectoplasm (from the Greek ektos, meaning "outside", and plasma, meaning "something formed or molded") ...
It can be seen at various stages from non-physical and etheric to a full blown physical manifestation. It can also be seen photographically even when not seen with the naked eye. Ah, I thought ectoplasm was only limited to the physical stuff.

Could you give an example of "[...] seen at various stages from non-physical and etheric[...]"? What would constitute an ectoplasm if it is not specifically composed of a remnant physical mass?

Fore
08-13-2012, 06:04 PM
I would like to just call it another name but am not in a position to be making up my own terms for such things without having other researchers in the field running after me with shovels and pitchforks for doing that. Ectoplasm is an archaic term that old time Spiritualists came up with. Most who hear it automatically think it only looks like what we seen in those old ectoplasm photo's from the early 20th century where fraud was rampant. Though there are some authentic photo's too of mediums exuding that substance and those of us who are educated on these matters know which ones they are.

Did they experience any strange side effect like burns or a loss of skin? Did this ectoplasm manifest out of thin air? Were there any odors or other physical phenomena related to this manifestation of physical mass? (or do you mean to imply more like the emissive (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emissive) light and electrical types of "ectoplasm"?)

Fore
08-13-2012, 06:09 PM
Fore, just because you yourself have never encountered it does not mean that it does not exist.
I just showed you what a photographic ectoplasmic structure looks like so at least you have seen that. :) I am not negating it exists. I am just not familiar with that phenomena as it has always been presented in popular media.

Until now, I did not know that "ectoplasm" had a category for non-physical phenomena. I didn't know that transiently emissive [paranormal] phenomena could be considered an Ectoplasm.

If anything, you've got my full attention.

A99
08-13-2012, 08:28 PM
Fore, the ones I see, and I should say on quite a regular basis will sometimes appear and stay there for a good 45 min. even ... or longer. To me, they definitely look like plasma and I can see the outline of these large amorphous shapes as they are floating in mid-air like they do. They are plasmic energy intelligences... and when they show up, I am also hearing those different melodious tones and a cacophony of other kinds of sounds including voices speaking where sometimes an isolated voice will all of the sudden generate from them and say a few words out loud. The last time one showed up, which was a few days ago, a voice said, "open the door" which I then realized was a reference to a very lucid dream I had a few days prior to that where I opened a huge big double wooden door and then became infused with the Holy Spirit. There were others there too in that room at the time when that happened. A bright blue light beamed down to each of us and filled us with ecstasy that I interpreted as being filled with Spirit. It was beautiful!

Also, check out this link for answers to your questions about Ectoplasm. It's from Robin Foy's website. Robin and his wife were the original founders of the famous Scole group and experiment. They too are not members of the Spiritualist Church, btw but like me, we are all stuck with using some of those same archaic terms used by the spiritualists in this field... physical mediumship... lol, I hate that term too. At any rate, anytime any of us try to change the the name of those terms to update them to current times... we end up getting hell for it. This is unfortunate because different kinds of phenomena evolve and change over the years. Changing the name of the phenomena from it's older more archaic one means changing it to a term that reflects how the phenomena has evolved in some way from the way it was before.

http://robinsphysicalphenomena.webs.com/typesofphenomena.htm



Yeah, I know what you are referring to.

Though I never considered it to be plasma. More like static and electrical discharges. Um, like a momentary flash bulb of various colors or (less like) ball lighting.

Do these kinds of physical anomalies (induced by paranormal means) and distortions qualify as "ectoplasm"?

Ah, I thought ectoplasm was only limited to the physical stuff.

Could you give an example of "[...] seen at various stages from non-physical and etheric[...]"? What would constitute an ectoplasm if it is not specifically composed of a remnant physical mass?

A99
08-13-2012, 09:10 PM
There are still those who go into a full deep trance state who then have ectoplasm coming out of them that form faces and hands... but nothing like what it was before for some of those famous legitimate physical mediums from the late 19th and early 20th century. That stopped a long time ago. But if the physical medium is in the trance state while in the middle of generating ectoplasm and is suddenly forced out of that trance state due to someone shaking him or her awake ... this apparently is very dangerous for the medium and their physical well being because it causes a shock to their system that can take a long time to recover from.
If you are interested in finding about more about how things have evolved in the area of physical mediumship... Robin wrote a short essay on this that can be seen on his site at this link: http://robinsphysicalphenomena.webs.com/physicalphenomenamethods.htm

Did they experience any strange side effect like burns or a loss of skin? Did this ectoplasm manifest out of thin air? Were there any odors or other physical phenomena related to this manifestation of physical mass? (or do you mean to imply more like the emissive (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/emissive) light and electrical types of "ectoplasm"?)

Fore
08-14-2012, 06:27 AM
There are still those who go into a full deep trance state who then have ectoplasm coming out of them that form faces and hands... but nothing like what it was before for some of those famous legitimate physical mediums from the late 19th and early 20th century. That stopped a long time ago. But if the physical medium is in the trance state while in the middle of generating ectoplasm and is suddenly forced out of that trance state due to someone shaking him or her awake ... this apparently is very dangerous for the medium and their physical well being because it causes a shock to their system that can take a long time to recover from.
If you are interested in finding about more about how things have evolved in the area of physical mediumship... Robin wrote a short essay on this that can be seen on his site at this link: http://robinsphysicalphenomena.webs.com/physicalphenomenamethods.htmI have to say.....I had a wide range of expressions on my mind and face as I read the short but concise link you gave me.

It was truly fascinating. Yet totally disturbing to see how they attempted to do this. I can more than name a few points that didn't make any logical sense to carry it out that way. The people involved in the older method were basically using what appears to have been very high intensity influence.

But the techniques and applied method to achieve the goal seemed....really poorly conceived. I didn't actually think _anyone_ in their right mind would do it that way. It seemed totally unnecessary and bizarre. I sat here reading through each line in utter bewilderment with the methods they came up with. It seemed so unnecessary.

Though I was reading it, in the back of my mind I was comparing and contrasting the technical implementations and various strategies I would have used vs the crazy ways these two (or more) people thought up!

I am not surprised the two cited might have received burns. They didn't perform any safety routines and the internal lacerations and bruising is rather evident that they didn't understand what tolerances were for the human body. Absolute madness. Interesting but damn....bizarre.

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It seemed as if they thought they were going to give the spiritual presence some kind of clay so they could form a material apparition. They seemed to miss the point that most ghosts can't control, readily absorb, or manipulate raw influence injections that way. How could they be mediums and not notice that??

That was one of the questions that made me deeply wonder as to what the rest of the mumbo jumbo was about. I could more or less decode half of the other mentions if I put myself in their shoes. But that is crazy.

I also wonder why they didn't have the influence patterns reconfigured so that ambient light wouldn't depolarize the configuration. It should have been really easy to do for a medium.

(Perhaps they employed a form of sensory deprivation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation) in order to increase their apparently limited control....switch on the light and they lose the sensory deprevation and zap the influence rebounds right into 'em?)

The whole trumpet thing was an interesting attempt. Energize a rod and stick it to the end of the trumpet or megaphone and suppose the entity would be able to create speech using basic modulation. Though I have little confidence it would have worked the way they had hoped.

What gets me is that they seem to have a very high output influence but seemingly really bad ideas in terms of execution. Why didn't any of the Spirits "assisting" them tell them that what they were up to was a dangerously bad idea? Even in the 1920's the spirits of then should have known it was a bad formulation for manifesting an apparition! As spiritual entities they should have EVEN MINIMAL awareness that they [the spirituals] absorb influence in a completely different way. Instead they were given the equivalent of high tension wires and asked to mold a face and a form....crazy application considering.....

Did the medium think they knew better and ignored those obvious points or did no one in the room know the most basic points of how the spiritual entity charge up and do influence control? No Idea

I can't help but notice that the mediums actions outlined a clear incapacity to perform very general types of influence modification. Very high output...but crazy execution. A light bulb (nor photon patterns) should not kill anyone performing an ectoplasm generation. Yet somehow these mediums put themselves into a configuration where they would lose control of the intense emanation upon a light being turned on.

In so many ways, it's just mystifying....There seemed to be little or no higher cognitive control system. Or it just wasn't employed very effectively at the very least...

A99
08-14-2012, 09:24 AM
It seemed as if they thought they were going to give the spiritual presence some kind of clay so they could form a material apparition. They seemed to miss the point that most ghosts can't control, readily absorb, or manipulate raw influence injections that way. How could they be mediums and not notice that??

That is incorrect but this is not to say that you are not entitled to your own opinion on this but it is nevertheless... incorrect -- allow me to continue.

It is the spirit who agreed to physically materialize before the group who is utilizing the ectoplasm that they have brought forth from the medium to do that…. with the help also of a spirit helper (and other spirits who are there too) who is there too to facilitate that process.


But here you are saying that spirits can’t do that…. but Fore… they in fact do DO THAT.

Perhaps it would be helpful for you to attend a physical mediumship circle session that has a medium who is able to exude ectoplasm for the spirits who are at the session to use that as the substance to physically materialize into our own plane.

If you are saying that these kinds of physical materializations are impossible... then try telling that to all of the mediums and sitters at those circle sessions who have witnessed and have even recorded those materializations via movie cams that can record in dim lighting situations.

Have you ever seen those video's Fore? I have... they are not on You Tube either and you have to request permission from the medium or whomever was running the session to view those recordings. These kind of sessions have been attended by scientists and very credible individuals like medical doctors and so on.... too, btw.

But here you are saying that such events are impossible. And by saying that, you are implying that these people are lying about what see and hear (and sometimes even touched or rather... were touched by the materialized spirit) at sessions like these... and that the video's recorded of such events are all hoaxes.

A99
08-14-2012, 09:39 AM
(Perhaps they employed a form of sensory deprivation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_deprivation) in order to increase their apparently limited control....switch on the light and they lose the sensory deprevation and zap the influence rebounds right into 'em?)

Why else would they operate in a room that only has a red light in it for illumination as opposed to having regular lights on during those sessions? The reason why is to induce sensory deprivation in order for help the medium go into a full trance state... which is needed in order for those spirit intelligences who are there to #1) produce the ectoplasm and bring it forth from the medium and #2) to then have the spirit who has agreed to materialize form that ectoplasmic substance into themselves as a physical representation of themselves. Other spirits are there to help facilitate that process too.

Only a red light is used in the room also to help everyone there to focus their thoughts and energy on the task at hand. By having the bright lights off in a session room... it helps to keep those in the circle from being distracted from the task at hand. For example... they will not be looking at the faces of those in the circle because the lighting is not bright enough to make out those faces with any real clarity. Or they will not be distracted if they see someone shift in their seat and the list goes on and on...

The dim lighting is only to help those there to remain focused on the session and the task at hand... this is not complicated fore.

But if, all the sudden, the regular lights in the room were switched on.... that abrupt change like that would startle the medium who is in a trance state to jerk out of the deep state where the ectoplasm that she is exuding then zaps right back into her body again.

And that is dangerous for the medium ....

A99
08-14-2012, 10:02 AM
The whole trumpet thing was an interesting attempt. Energize a rod and stick it to the end of the trumpet or megaphone and suppose the entity would be able to create speech using basic modulation. Though I have little confidence it would have worked the way they had hoped.

Who cares how they levitate the trumpet or if they use a rod or not to do that? Who cares what process they use on their end to do that anyways?

The bottom line though is that they levitate the trumpet and use it to amplify their voices.

As for how they can produce their voices... who cares? But the bottom line is they are able to talk out loud so everybody can hear them.

These events have been recorded by video .... at many sessions throughout the years. Once again, these sessions have been attended by scientists and other very credible individuals who have witnessed, on a first hand basis such phenomena.... including things like apports too.

You can be the skeptic and say that such phenomena is impossible just like most people will say that it's impossible for you to have been in contact with ET's for a number of years. Same kinda stuff Fore.

A99
08-14-2012, 10:25 AM
By the way, it is the spiritual intelligences who have communicated to mediums all throughout time and all around the world, that they produce and bring forth the ectoplasm from the medium and use that substance to physically materialize into our own world.

Just like you have received communications from ET's ... mediums have received communications from human disincarnates on how they do this or that. Read Allan Kardec's The Spirits Book .... it's loaded with scientific explanations given to us by Spirits via mediums on how they are able to produce the kind of phenomena that is generated by them.


If you are saying that your ET's would say that it is impossible for intelligences from other realms to produce something like ectoplasm where they then use that substance to materialize with.... well, those human disincarnates say otherwise so go figure! And not only that, they have demonstrated over and over and over again that they can in fact do that.

The question is... who is right and who is wrong?

Perhaps the spiritual intelligences who use ectoplasm to materialize have simplified their explanation on how they are able to do that. Certainly, the paradigm that your ET's have given you .... and those processes involved that create and effect different kinds of phenomena is more catered to those where only a more scientific and technical sounding explanation will suffice in order for them to believe such phenomena is possible regardless if they have witnessed such phenomena with their own 2 eyes anyway. So in those cases, the motto 'seeing is believing" is not applicable here because unless it's back by some kind of science that they can relate to and are familiar with at least on some level, then it never happened. lol

So we have to ask ourselves... because there are so many different kinds of explanations that we receive from those who are not of this world or are transdimensional, how can we tell which ones are giving us the correct information or not on how they do stuff?

I personally believe though that the information you get from your ET contacts is something that those in the physical mediumship community is ready for... these days, people are much more literate in the sciences hence why we are ready to understand those more complex explanations on how phenomena is produced and so on...

A99
08-14-2012, 11:15 AM
Actually, Allan Kardec's book 'The Book on Mediums' would be a better one to start off with.
"It is intended to be an actual handbook (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/handbook) for would-be mediums, containing doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritist_doctrine) and practices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritist_practice) that one must master in order to become a medium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_(spirituality)), an elementary course on theories and basic methods to assess the new light that had never been tried by rational inquiry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology) before: the interaction of the physical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matter) and spiritual (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit) worlds.
The Book on Mediums set the bases and the terminology that guided Parapsychology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parapsychology) and Paranormality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Age) for quite sometime. In its pages one will find a classification of paranormal phenomena, with a special focus on those capable of communicating messages, and thorough descriptions of the mechanisms that — according to Spiritism — were involved. It also contains serious warnings against unguided use of the gift of mediumship (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediumship), especially without the necessary seriousness."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_on_Mediums

Fore
08-14-2012, 09:55 PM
That is incorrect but this is not to say that you are not entitled to your own opinion on this but it is nevertheless... incorrect -- allow me to continue.

It is the spirit who agreed to physically materialize before the group who is utilizing the ectoplasm that they have brought forth from the medium to do that…. with the help also of a spirit helper (and other spirits who are there too) who is there too to facilitate that process.


But here you are saying that spirits can’t do that…. but Fore… they in fact do DO THAT. Thats not specifically what I am saying.

"Ectoplasm" is a physical anomaly in spacetime (paranormal occurrence and materialization) as defined by the articles cited previously.

"Controlled and Guided" paranormal phenomena is principally caused by the use of influence structures which manipulate influence.

If that influence emanation then creates a spacetime distortion and is therefore classified as "an Ectoplasm" in material space...then that intensity/density is of a sufficient degree that distortions in space time then occur. It is therefore also far too intense for a non-trained influence center/structure to control such incredible intensities.

I can slowly and gradually feed a spiritual entity influence, but when and if I exceed that entities capacity to control that amount of patterned influence, the psychic centers and general systems it has in it's psychic body will begin to descend into disarray due to overwhelming intensity.

You cannot (and should not) be able to feed an unprepared entity a ton of influence that its psychic structures cannot handle nor control. I cannot give a spirit (Ghost) a very high intensity discharge (so high that it would cause paranormal side effects) and then rationally imagine that it will be able to control it when it is unable to affect the mass of influence.

I would clearly damage the entity "internally" and the entity would be unable to remain in control of the influence emanation and it would dissipate incredibly quickly due to background tidal forces in influence space.

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On the other hand,

Gradually increasing the supply and allowing the entities structures to compensate for and build up a robust range of influence control over time makes sense in both a metaphysical sense and a pragmatic one.

If it were easy for any entity to walk into a persons home and spontaneously command any influence in a living persons body to come to them. They could pretty much collect influence even up to the point of killing everyone in the home. Luckily that is not how it works in the real world. Psychic affinity is a gradual change to structures in a mature psychic system.

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If I gave a living human being a shot of raw influence they would be in pain. (and that is not a theoretical assessment as I have done that in practice several times)

Their structures could not handle the intensity and it had to be manually extracted from their body.

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Any intensity (and configuration) that is capable of damaging living tissue is likely to cause havoc within any untrained spiritual presence. You would quite literally break their "internal" systems with such high intensity influence propagation. Resulting in changes.

Further, the medium in the article put themselves at an unnecessary risk and lacked components which would have made the entire process both pragmatic in application and safe. The entity around the medium should have pointed out the absurdity of the practice in that specific way. [COLOR="#FF0000"]Yet, there we are.

Is it any surprise that the later versions are closer to a more "sane" applied method? (IMO)

I realize that normal psychics from a normal background usually don't have the cognitive control mechanism designed in the same way. But....the system first cited in the article has incredible flaws and would likely only have worked with a very specific group of entities whom had already been pre-conditioned for the exercise.

The most the other "helper" spirits could have done is de-intensity the emanations from the body of the medium and then feed it to the (supposedly) average spirit.

Which...would....defeat....the..whole..purpose..of ...the..entirely....very...risky...exercise....of. ..releasing...the....high...intensity...influence. ..from....the....body...of....the....medium.

Certainly a quick way to certify the death of the medium. (As noted in the article)

Why didn't the medium use an external influence structure? An EFM is fully capable of isolating and handling those kinds of high intensity loads with rather ~perfect~ safety? They seemed to be under-trained enough to use their own internal control structures (IFM)....fully aware that they would suffer injury to themselves if anyone interrupted them.

Another point, the medium used a trance method instead of a conscious control interface for this procedure. It seems the medium doesn't have "overriding" exterior control of their own body.

At least in the ET project I was involved in they teach how to use psychic control structures to control the internal components of our body. (or anyone elses for that matter) Both the psychic structures and the physical anatomy itself.

But okay, she didn't have that advantage way back then. But [B]how does the medium get to that level of releasing that immense intensity of influence and not develop in all the other basic control methods? It seems incomprehensible that the development path would not have been achieved.

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I dunno what else to say, but I don't deny it happened. I never did that. I just marvel at the life threatening techniques employed. I didn't have to read between the lines for the signs that the medium actually performed this crazy stunt. With a proverbial ET text book in hand, I saw all the obvious errors that were cited as "risks" in the article.

It seems deeply impractical, unnecessarily dangerous, and completely...<make up your own expression>

Fore
08-14-2012, 10:42 PM
Perhaps it would be helpful for you to attend a physical mediumship circle session that has a medium who is able to exude ectoplasm for the spirits who are at the session to use that as the substance to physically materialize into our own plane.

If you are saying that these kinds of physical materializations are impossible... then try telling that to all of the mediums and sitters at those circle sessions who have witnessed and have even recorded those materializations via movie cams that can record in dim lighting situations.

Have you ever seen those video's Fore? I have... they are not on You Tube either and you have to request permission from the medium or whomever was running the session to view those recordings. These kind of sessions have been attended by scientists and very credible individuals like medical doctors and so on.... too, btw.

But here you are saying that such events are impossible. And by saying that, you are implying that these people are lying about what see and hear (and sometimes even touched or rather... were touched by the materialized spirit) at sessions like these... and that the video's recorded of such events are all hoaxes.

I didn't say that, so there is nothing for me to defend. I am pretty sure they can and do. All it takes is a highly condensed flux points from a dense influence. Boom, you get momentary paranormal effects. I don't know about the permanent manifestation of material matter being in the range of the average ghost.

I did not know that "Ectoplasm" has had such a broad definition. You taught me something I didn't know on that point.

Fore
08-14-2012, 11:00 PM
Why else would they operate in a room that only has a red light in it for illumination as opposed to having regular lights on during those sessions? The reason why is to induce sensory deprivation in order for help the medium go into a full trance state... which is needed in order for those spirit intelligences who are there to #1) produce the ectoplasm and bring it forth from the medium and #2) to then have the spirit who has agreed to materialize form that ectoplasmic substance into themselves as a physical representation of themselves. Other spirits are there to help facilitate that process too.

Only a red light is used in the room also to help everyone there to focus their thoughts and energy on the task at hand. By having the bright lights off in a session room... it helps to keep those in the circle from being distracted from the task at hand. For example... they will not be looking at the faces of those in the circle because the lighting is not bright enough to make out those faces with any real clarity. Or they will not be distracted if they see someone shift in their seat and the list goes on and on... Well I had surmised two things. Either it was a sensory deprivation technique or the influence they emitted was a configured pattern that light would disrupt its cohesion.

(Light has its double in the influence as well.)

Some spirituals like some Demons are pretty sensitive to certain types of influence modification. Even the natural type. It decompiles/deteriorates their patterns. So I assumed the lights would somehow affect the configuration patterns the medium was using in the high intensity releases (corrective tidal forces in "influence space" etc). Some researchers and ghost hunters have found that low light conditions allow entities to project distortions in the environment.

Wheras [supposedly] the lights being turned on makes the entities "weaker" (or so the theory goes).


The dim lighting is only to help those there to remain focused on the session and the task at hand... this is not complicated fore.

But if, all the sudden, the regular lights in the room were switched on.... that abrupt change like that would startle the medium who is in a trance state to jerk out of the deep state where the ectoplasm that she is exuding then zaps right back into her body again.

And that is dangerous for the medium ....I understand, but I have to ask. Why aren't they able to remain focused if they are practiced at doing this? Do they really need the dim lighting or is it their first time at doing such things?

Maybe more a criticism than a comment or question.

Fore
08-14-2012, 11:44 PM
Who cares how they levitate the trumpet or if they use a rod or not to do that? Who cares what process they use on their end to do that anyways?

The bottom line though is that they levitate the trumpet and use it to amplify their voices. ?

You should care, as a researcher and an experimenter. What good is it to spend an entire life time of delving into the paranormal if you never bother to ask the why's and how's of the phenomena? (IMO) You should never say you don't care how it is done. That is very illogical.

How then can you figure out what is a hoax vs what is real if you don't invest time and effort into finding out how it all happens? Knowledge is power?


As for how they can produce their voices... who cares? But the bottom line is they are able to talk out loud so everybody can hear them. Well, I don't care much for what an entity would say as to how they do it.


These events have been recorded by video .... at many sessions throughout the years. Once again, these sessions have been attended by scientists and other very credible individuals who have witnessed, on a first hand basis such phenomena.... including things like apports too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apport_%28paranormal%29

"Apports"...so that is what it is called. I have encountered (I think) this phenomena and it is so annoying. The entities used to hide things when we were going to look for them. Only for them to reappear right in front of you.

I never could figure out how the hell they did that. At first I thought it was an attention deficit rather than something paranormal. But then I looked very carefully for a tool or an object where I left it and took _painfully long_ observations that it wasn't there where it was supposed to be. It was so bothersome that often I would just give up and shout at them to put it back where it was supposed to be. (yes outloud)

After getting mad and finally throwing in the towel, the object or tool would reappear right there again where I had checked with careful and thoughtful intent (because it was always happening)...as if it hadn't moved anywhere else.

How the heck did they do that? I have no real theories as to how it is achieved. (well unless a malicious ET hid it?:confused:)

It didn't just happen to me, it happened to everyone in my household on a daily basis. (frankly any time you wanted to do anything...it was so damn annoying to suffer through the same pointless routine)

If objects fell from a table it would disappear and no amount of moving or searching would bring it back. Sometimes we would find it months or years later behind a wall when we made changes to the house. We had a joke in the family (out of our frustration) that if we jumped too high or tripped we would suddenly be in another dimension. (keep in mind a joke made in frustration)

Fore
08-14-2012, 11:54 PM
You can be the skeptic and say that such phenomena is impossible just like most people will say that it's impossible for you to have been in contact with ET's for a number of years. Same kinda stuff Fore.I didn't say it was impossible. Not in the context you're talking about.

I keep in mind different observational points. You apparently keep a different set of points in mind that you think I am referring to...when referring to my observations. So you imagine I am referring to one thing when I am really referring to another.

Also, if I didn't know any ET, then I wouldn't have had experience as a psychic, therefore, I wouldn't have had any contact with the paranormal and therefore you did not ever experience any paranormal phenomena related to me. It is a simple logical chain, correct?

Therefore, there should be no concerns for any phenomena which purports to happen around me to others.

<Fore emphatically shrugs> It's all a coincidence of synchronicity wrapped in a mystery that is cradled in a riddle. (Or is it?)

Either that, or I am always telling the truth.

You see the intricate knowledge coming out of me, so there must be "a reason" why I know so much right? Perhaps I just read a lot of paranormal books? Do you like that idea more? Or perhaps I am an agent of the NSA or CIA? (ooh a spook! Maybe you like that idea even more?)

Just kidding, I am what I say, I experienced everything I have written down. The comments, technical explanations etc are not just "a coincidence". It is just what it is.

What it is, is for you to determine. <shrug>

If you want to see if I am making it up, read out loud (like a story book) the contents of our conversation to some [lucid and intelligent ghost] you have laying around. Be sure to iterate through every line. By a months end, your chosen ghost will have enough working knowledge to really be walking and talking. The only thing he or she needs is a steady influence supply.

If your nerves hold out for the long haul, you'll be surprised.

A99
08-15-2012, 12:32 AM
Thanks for your additional comments on some of the stuff I've been talking about. I like the way you explain things using your own terminology....
Just want to add that my comments about the lighting in the room during the sessions is much more complex than just keeping everybody focused. I just kept it simple but there's more to it than what I stated here.

A99
08-15-2012, 12:52 AM
I know you're not making things up Fore .... of course, anyone new to your information via reading your daily posts for the first time would naturally wonder about that but once they get into the habit of reading each new post as it comes up, it's very clear that that is not the case at all... that all you are doing is just sharing what you know and your regular readers here, including me, are very grateful that you are doing that. I think there are outside forces involved too. That you have been chosen to share the information that has been given to you; but that's just my own opinion.

CasperParks
01-13-2015, 04:28 AM
Interesting video on Shadow People posted at youtube by Suspect Sky (https://www.youtube.com/user/SuspectSky/videos)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbcccff1JuA

southerncross
01-18-2015, 01:10 AM
I'm glad that others are participating in this thread. My experience is back on post #11.
To this day my husband and I know that what we experienced was real. And that the dark shadow made bumping noises as it exited through the house. That tell me it is energetic and very real.

Since then I have heard the bang in the interior door again. It coincided to exactly the time my husband placed my rosary on the slab tomb they say held Christs body. I was home and it was 2 am Texas time. Interesting coincidence ? I don't know.

I had another experience in 1986 with one and it terrified me so much my screams woke my husband. It was large and changing shapes. It stood in the bedroom door. It and I frightened my husband so bad he slept with the bedroom lamp on. I am not one to panic or flip out easily, but this thing was absolutely not good. I won't say evil, but it wasn't good for certain.
I hope we can figure out what they are and what they want. Are they just curious, or do they get something from us or our environment by being near us ? I hope to understand some day. I think Steven Hawkings comments in the video are certainly closer than anything I've heard yet to make sense.

CasperParks
01-18-2015, 04:33 AM
Post number 11, on 12/05/2011 : I'm so glad this was posted. Friday night my husband and I (and the dog) had a group experience with a large shadow. This is the second one in this house and we've been here 3 yrs. At 3am the dog woke and began barking at a shadow hovering over my husband. He woke the second the dog barked and saw it too. He lept out of bed and the dog began to chase it into the living room barking and growling like mad, my husband behind him and then me.

The shadow bumped something making a noise. We looked through the house thinking at first someone was inside, but the place was empty. We even checked outside, nothing. There was nothing there to create such a shadow, much less bump into something as we all lay there. We realized once we were fully awake that this thing was floating over my husband and seemed to have dark wings or at least a shape like that so of course it wasn't an intruder.

This happened once before about 2 yrs ago but the shadow did not run off. My husband got up and put his hand through it feeling something cool. It didn't move and for reasons I can't understand he figured it wasn't harmful and went back to sleep. I didn't learn about it till the next morning. Needless to say I was shook. So, we can't figure this out or what they want. He had similar instances at our former home but he said he thought it was family as he felt no harmful feeling with it. I'm not sure. But this last one has us perplexed. Anyone with any experience in these things I'll be glad to listen. I have my theories, but I'm interested in others thoughts.


I'm glad that others are participating in this thread. My experience is back on post #11.
To this day my husband and I know that what we experienced was real. And that the dark shadow made bumping noises as it exited through the house. That tell me it is energetic and very real.

Since then I have heard the bang in the interior door again. It coincided to exactly the time my husband placed my rosary on the slab tomb they say held Christs body. I was home and it was 2 am Texas time. Interesting coincidence ? I don't know.

I had another experience in 1986 with one and it terrified me so much my screams woke my husband. It was large and changing shapes. It stood in the bedroom door. It and I frightened my husband so bad he slept with the bedroom lamp on. I am not one to panic or flip out easily, but this thing was absolutely not good. I won't say evil, but it wasn't good for certain.

I hope we can figure out what they are and what they want. Are they just curious, or do they get something from us or our environment by being near us ? I hope to understand some day. I think Steven Hawkings comments in the video are certainly closer than anything I've heard yet to make sense.

I suspect a number of things are going on.

Interdimensional is a possibility.

Entities that exist beyond our normal ability to see them.

Entities are using tech altering, stealth, and or creates a field of some-sort around them.

Again, I am leaning toward a number of ongoing things.

Humans upon this Earth are limited by economic controllers, vision of probabilities and tech.

southerncross
01-27-2015, 03:10 AM
Hi Caspar, I'm leaning toward inter dimensional. It's only an instinct but I know what I heard. And I know my husband saw it and the dog chased it mad as hell. When I see something I doubt it. But when I hear it and the dog sees and chases it I know I'm not alone. Two big bumps as it exited was not my imagination.

My husband said it just disappeared through the wall and made the bump, then a brief pause and another bump which would get it outside. For him to run outside chasing the thing at 3 am it had to be very real and we three didn't hallucinate together. The next question is what did it want ? Floating over him mirroring his position and very close. Say within one foot. No face, just the black head, neck, shoulders and then drops to the bottom of the shape, no feet.

He used to see other dark forms around the bed but they left us alone. Tis one was not so friendly. I can't imagine what it wanted. And it's never returned to our knowledge. Question is, how did it get in so silently ?

majicbar
01-27-2015, 12:56 PM
Hi Caspar, I'm leaning toward inter dimensional. It's only an instinct but I know what I heard. And I know my husband saw it and the dog chased it mad as hell. When I see something I doubt it. But when I hear it and the dog sees and chases it I know I'm not alone. Two big bumps as it exited was not my imagination.

My husband said it just disappeared through the wall and made the bump, then a brief pause and another bump which would get it outside. For him to run outside chasing the thing at 3 am it had to be very real and we three didn't hallucinate together. The next question is what did it want ? Floating over him mirroring his position and very close. Say within one foot. No face, just the black head, neck, shoulders and then drops to the bottom of the shape, no feet.

He used to see other dark forms around the bed but they left us alone. This one was not so friendly. I can't imagine what it wanted. And it's never returned to our knowledge. Question is, how did it get in so silently ?

It must have made itself just off the vibrational frequency of the matter that made up the walls. Remember that matter is still almost all empty space. Such an entity would have had to also polarize all the electrons that would have prevented other quasi matter to flow through it. Do that and such quasi-matter should be able to flow right through what we find normally 'solid'. The same process is used by some alien types to do the same thing. This might also be useful traveling through space to reduce friction and collisions with space junk and meteoric materials.

southerncross
02-10-2015, 03:42 PM
I think that's a strong argument. I don't think these things exist naturally in this dimension and in order to slip over here they have to adjust to our material existence. Wy they come here I just don't know. The thing was floating horizontally over my husband and when spotted turned and was off like a jet. I call it Thumper, largely because of the bump it makes when it leaves, and also to defuse my nerves about it. I've joked about it being clumsy but I know there's more to it. I've known it to be here twice.

I just find it interesting that when my husband placed the rosary on the tomb slab, there was this loud thud in house. And as it never leaves the house now, there's been no unusual occupancies. Coincidence, I don't know, but I'm not going to take the chance and remove it.

whoknows
02-10-2015, 06:28 PM
This is one of those occurrences that we need take care not too read too much into, but I would go out on a limb and posit that what is being observed is not purposeful action on the part of an entity but rather a natural occurrence of interactions in the boundaries between universes.

After all could it not be that we in our daily activities interact without out knowledge with other universes as shadow persons, indeed could it not be that what is being seen is our own selves in that alternate universe?

southerncross
02-13-2015, 04:24 PM
Well, we got the impression that this was a deliberate action on the part of this entity. Neither of us felt it had malintent, but lets face it, it scared the day lights out of us. And the fact that it banged about as it rapidly exited the house was another factor that startled us. This isn't an every day occurrence.

That said, it is possible these things are all around us and we don't see them, or rather we only see their shadows from time to time. I have wondered if we are perceived as ghosts in some other dimension and we unknowingly haunt someone. I think it didn't have time to change its form in order to move through our "solid" walls in a silent manner. There are certainly some unusual life forms out there and perhaps we only see the tip of the iceberg.
It was a remarkable experience and I feel privileged to have witnessed it. I hope to see more in the future.

montalk
03-09-2016, 09:44 AM
Just saw this great documentary The Nightmare (2015) about "sleep paralysis" but really it's about demonic/interdimensional harassment. Here's the trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoPsjWqvwT4

Eight people share their accounts of "sleep paralysis," which are depicted via re-enactments in the documentary. I've gotten tons of emails from people who had similar experiences, and I know many of you have had them too. I deal with it too but in a more subtle form. There are some interesting tidbits in the doc where, if you're knowledgeable, you can see what's going on behind certain details being mentioned. I thought it was pretty cool to see these phenomena depicted in a realistic way.

That said, standard disclaimer: beware of accidentally connecting up with that stuff due to any fear reactions or mental connections you might form with the people and beings while watching it.

calikid
03-09-2016, 12:59 PM
Just saw this great documentary The Nightmare (2015) about "sleep paralysis" but really it's about demonic/interdimensional harassment. Here's the trailer:

(Snip video)

Eight people share their accounts of "sleep paralysis," which are depicted via re-enactments in the documentary. I've gotten tons of emails from people who had similar experiences, and I know many of you have had them too. I deal with it too but in a more subtle form. There are some interesting tidbits in the doc where, if you're knowledgeable, you can see what's going on behind certain details being mentioned. I thought it was pretty cool to see these phenomena depicted in a realistic way.

That said, standard disclaimer: beware of accidentally connecting up with that stuff due to any fear reactions or mental connections you might form with the people and beings while watching it.
Looks entertaining.
Was it presented as a "Mocumentary"
or legit medical record?

I first heard of Sleep Paralysis in the early 1990's. A recognized medical condition that helped explain many (but not all) Abduction experiences.

Where did you see it; DVD, theatre, YouTube?

Thanks for sharing.

montalk
03-10-2016, 06:35 AM
Was it presented as a "Mocumentary"
or legit medical record?

Legit documentary, but with 'jump scares' in the re-enactments for dramatic effect.


I first heard of Sleep Paralysis in the early 1990's. A recognized medical condition that helped explain many (but not all) Abduction experiences.

It does account for the more vague ones like "I woke up paralyzed and felt a presence in the room." Real abductions and sleep paralysis might involve similar mechanisms behind the paralysis. Like if there's a natural mechanism, it can probably be triggered artificially as well. But as you know, sleep paralysis doesn't account for the multiple witnesses or pets reacting to presences in the room, or abductions while driving, etc.

My personal opinion is that sleep paralysis comes with some degree of decoupling between soul and body (in addition to the brain circuitry doing its thing per the medical literature). The metaphysical decoupling allows the soul to bypass the five senses and therefore see/experience things that are normally filtered out. Problem is that in this state, dream/hallucinatory phenomena can mix in with it.

So drawing a line between the subjective and objective is iffy. There was one part of the documentary, around 55 minutes in, where a guy woke up to a tall shadow being with glowing red eyes threatening him; simultaneously, a girl sleeping next to him woke up screaming because she 'dreamt' there was a black cat with glowing red eyes sitting on her chest muttering something indecipherable at the guy. Both saw "black" with "glowing red eyes" directed "at him" but one saw a cat, the other a tall being looming over. That's an example of how a common archetype or signature of something actually there, being interpreted in different ways by the non-awake mind of two different people.


Where did you see it; DVD, theatre, YouTube?

It's on Netflix (https://www.netflix.com/title/80031391) and other less legal online places.

Gwaihir57
03-11-2016, 09:54 PM
Hello, Ive recently heard this term on here, and I apologize if this isnt the correct forum category to post to but here it goes...

For about a year now ive been seeing things in my peripherals like a small head or limb(shadowy) move that catches my attention and i look that direction and dont see anything. Or ill see something move or scoot across the ground, very small...dont wanna say its an "orb" bc its dark...like a shadow. Ive checked lighting incase its like a bug or something casting a shadow...but there isnt. I read a post on here that someone said there are things called "shadow beings".

Its never scared me, its just im a very observant person and seem tpo notice these small changes in my view. and frankly am curious as to why now im noticeing these shadowy entities, or spots.

a link of reading would be good or any info for that matter.

Sansanoy
03-11-2016, 10:55 PM
I remember seeing that when I was young around 8ish, then I just stopped seeing it. Our peripheral vision is almost all rods which just see black and white, that makes us more sensitive to movement from the sides due to the sharper contrast. I never got any resolution as to what was causing it, but it is something I have heard from many people.

atmjjc
03-11-2016, 11:19 PM
Hello, Ive recently heard this term on here, and I apologize if this isnt the correct forum category to post to but here it goes...

For about a year now ive been seeing things in my peripherals like a small head or limb(shadowy) move that catches my attention and i look that direction and dont see anything. Or ill see something move or scoot across the ground, very small...dont wanna say its an "orb" bc its dark...like a shadow. Ive checked lighting incase its like a bug or something casting a shadow...but there isnt. I read a post on here that someone said there are things called "shadow beings".

Its never scared me, its just im a very observant person and seem tpo notice these small changes in my view. and frankly am curious as to why now im noticeing these shadowy entities, or spots.

a link of reading would be good or any info for that matter.

Hi Gwaihir57 and welcome.

Suggestions before you look at the mystical or surreal aspect of visual phenomena it is always prudent to check and see if what you are experiencing have natural causes. I would suggest maybe a visit to an optometrist and rule out floaters. This is a common occurrence with aging and diabetes and other sorts of eye problems. You may have to tell the eye professional what you are seeing because this is such a common occurrence that if you don’t inform the eye specialist and it doesn’t bother you than he may just skip over an explanation of what he sees in your eyes as he is examining them.

If your eyes get a clean bill of health then you may be experiencing another form of mystical vision.

http://www.eyehealthweb.com/eye-floaters/

Garuda
03-12-2016, 03:46 AM
There already is a thread on Shadow Beings here: www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?50-Shadow-Beings-What-are-they


EDIT TO ADD: I merged the two threads.

A99
03-13-2016, 01:37 AM
I think my first experience with sleep paralysis occurred when I was in kindergarten when on Easter morning, I saw a giant white rabbit standing by my bed just as I was waking up. I can't recall if I was frozen with fear when I saw that but I DO recall being in that state -- too scared to move. Was it, in fact, sleep paralysis? Could be. Then moments later, when I was no longer "frozen", it slipped under my bed where I then looked under it and saw it where I then ran out of my room, like the dickens. I think I told my mother about it but I can't really recall that part of it with any certainty.

I'm bringing this one up because, thereafter, I had recurring nightmares of that giant white rabbit that, to this day, I remember one of them in quite a bit of detail.

Interestingly enough, it was that TV series "Taken" that triggered off my memories of that giant white rabbit in my childhood and that years after that when I was a young adult, I had recurring dreams of a tall blond nurse which included an grey alien baby.

If you recall that tv series Taken, at one point that little girl walked into a forest with a giant white rabbit to where his space ship was. That's what triggered my own memories of a giant white rabbit that showed up in my childhood.

I'm from a large family and a few days ago, one of my younger sister's and I were talking about our childhood years and she mentioned that when she was very young, she used to see "monsters" at night in our house when in a completely wide awake state. She knows nothing about my own experiences, at least as far as I know but when she started talking about that, she brought up her "monster" sightings completely out of the blue. She didn't go into much detail about them except to say that one time on her way to the bathroom at night, she saw batman and robin... another time she saw a mummy. I too have experiences with a mummy that showed up in a recurring dream in my adult years, so I found that interesting. I will be asking her, the next time I see her, to elaborate more on those "monsters" she used to see.
She's a very conservative Christian so I will have to be very careful when I seek more details on all of that.

calikid
03-15-2016, 01:07 PM
Just saw this great documentary The Nightmare (2015) about "sleep paralysis" but really it's about demonic/interdimensional harassment. Here's the trailer:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoPsjWqvwT4

Eight people share their accounts of "sleep paralysis," which are depicted via re-enactments in the documentary. I've gotten tons of emails from people who had similar experiences, and I know many of you have had them too. I deal with it too but in a more subtle form. There are some interesting tidbits in the doc where, if you're knowledgeable, you can see what's going on behind certain details being mentioned. I thought it was pretty cool to see these phenomena depicted in a realistic way.

That said, standard disclaimer: beware of accidentally connecting up with that stuff due to any fear reactions or mental connections you might form with the people and beings while watching it.
Managed to rent "The Nightmare" off Amazon last night. $0.99 for 7day HD rental.
Enjoyed it.
Pretty much a documentary from the experiencer's POV.
Eight subjects from around the world with remarkably similar symptoms/stories.
They all presented as negative experiences. Lasting prolonged, if not lifetime periods of time.
IMHO, came across as Night Terrors with the added element of Sleep Paralysis. A combination that heighten their terror.
While I did enjoy the presentation; rather clinical descriptions/narrations with NOT overly dramatic CGI recreations,
I was somewhat disappointed by the lack of medical professionals on screen.
Many if not all referenced seeking medical assistance, with disappointing results.
Would have been nice to hear a professional respond. Or even highlight the current level of understanding on this very unusual condition.

The condition seems unique in that unlike full blown delusions, these people have an experience they suspect was real, but still seem to grasp the events are probably just a dream. "I know it was a dream, but it sure did seem real".
I feel for the sufferers, hopefully medical science can take a closer look, and some day find a way to relieve their pain.

Montalk, I do not agree with your assessment that these people are experiencing paranormal events, but I do thank you for the recommendation. Similar mental trauma to abduction, really brings home the personal cost of such problems.
3+ stars.

Sansanoy
03-18-2016, 04:37 PM
Regarding sleep paralysis I was reading Volume 2 of the declassified UK UAP files (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121026065214/http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UapInTheUkAirDefenceRegionVolume2.htm) and on page E1 of part A I saw something interesting about this phenomenon and UAP radiation.

"At the time of vehicle failure several reports (Canada) have resulted in apparent temporary paralysis of humans until the nearby object moved away. It is possible that some muscular control (motor-control) nerves can be affected by electrical potential. This can be replicated by medical scientists. One explanation is that either constant or pulsed microwave, coupling into the nervous system may cause this affect. Pulsed interference with the human system is possible because of the 500 milliseconds muscle relaxation delay. "

A99
03-18-2016, 10:13 PM
It's already been established that a form of paralysis, that in this case, we can call it "situational paralysis" as opposed to calling it "sleep paralysis", is a well documented phenomenon in the alien abduction narrative.

Screen memories are also a ubiquitous phenomenon that occurs in the alien abduction and experiencer narrative too. I did a quick google on that and here's a run down on what they are:


Screen MemoriesScreen memories with regards to Alien abduction are essentially altered or false memories in which something unpleasant is thought to have been glossed over with something more familiar and/or friendly. Owls amongst other animals often appear as a disguise to replace the images of Aliens etc. within such memories, as do police officers, fire-fighters (and other people of authority), and strangely clowns too. And it is suspected that these ill fitting memories were implanted within the abductees by the Aliens in order to prevent mental trauma following abduction.

http://www.theparanormal.me/2011/10/owl-dreams-aliens-screen-memories-and.html

A99
03-18-2016, 10:17 PM
Regarding sleep paralysis I was reading Volume 2 of the declassified UK UAP files (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121026065214/http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UapInTheUkAirDefenceRegionVolume2.htm) and on page E1 of part A I saw something interesting about this phenomenon and UAP radiation.

"At the time of vehicle failure several reports (Canada) have resulted in apparent temporary paralysis of humans until the nearby object moved away. It is possible that some muscular control (motor-control) nerves can be affected by electrical potential. This can be replicated by medical scientists. One explanation is that either constant or pulsed microwave, coupling into the nervous system may cause this affect. Pulsed interference with the human system is possible because of the 500 milliseconds muscle relaxation delay. "

Very interesting and thanks for sharing!