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tl2
03-15-2012, 12:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA_T4YhwHL8


explanation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM2pE6c4rX8

FAKE?

norenrad
03-15-2012, 01:56 PM
A lot of these videos look convincing to me, until a professional analyzes them. I'm only able to distinguish the really bad ones, but this one looks pretty good.

Lee
03-15-2012, 07:44 PM
Hmmm, this looks pretty good to me, but i'd like to hear what our IA guys make of it too.

I've asked Marvin and 11A to take a look at it. If they think it's worth while, we'll try to make contact with the witness, track down the location, etc.

Edit: Location - "The coordinates are: 61.343924,15.050343, It is not the exact coordinates but it is around this place said my cousin. Closest town is Orsa."

Marvin
03-16-2012, 02:21 PM
Please click on the following link for a closer look at the video.


http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?534-UFO-caught-on-Camera-2012-Sweden&p=8116#post8116



M

norenrad
03-16-2012, 02:52 PM
After taking a quick look at the following video, I have a few issues with it.



http://youtu.be/PA_T4YhwHL8


There are two issues that are difficult to ignore:

1. The camera does not follow the object in question. Generally, this is typical of post additions of CGI.

2. There is an odd gap or halo on the quad-runner’s side where the object contacts the driver’s body. This gap extends from the driver’s elbow to the helmet (in this frame):


Here is a closer look at one of the frames, where the object goes behind the driver of the quad-runner:


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff290/instantmartians/4b.jpg

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff290/instantmartians/4c.jpg


Above, I have labeled my concerns about the object “disappearing” before contacting the driver’s arm. You will notice where the background trees contact the drivers forearm, the trees are in full contact with the sleeve… but the object is not.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff290/instantmartians/4cc.jpg

I have “enhanced” the frame to better see the halo on the driver.


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff290/instantmartians/4d.jpg

The above is a closer look on how the trees do not show the halo, but on the upper part of the driver’s body, there is a gap that gives a halo effect which separates the object from the body.

Video technology is not my expertise, so maybe 11A will jump in and better explain what is happening here.


M

Thank you Marvin, I noticed that "halo" too, but I wanted to see if someone else thought that it wasn't normal, it is noticeable throughout the video. When you stop the video when the object is above his helmet, you'll notice two or three small horizontal "white" lines between the ship and his helmet, or that could be my computer screen.

Lee
04-03-2012, 04:27 PM
"FX Expert Says Sweden UFO Not a Fake (Video)
April 03, 2012 03:05 AM EDT

A Hollywood FX expert has reviewed the hotly debated "Sweden UFO" footage with powerful video editing tools and says the video is not faked.
The unidentified technician stops short of confirming the flying saucer is an actual unidentified flying object, but observes that if it is phony, "it's the best fake ever" posted to YouTube." Read More - http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981239051


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tuUsN9igi3M

Does anybody want to comment on this analysis...?

norenrad
04-03-2012, 06:39 PM
I still have to say, they are not looking at it, they are just riding along like nothing is there. Did they only notice this object while viewing their recording afterwards? If so, then this could be something, but I have to tell you, if I was the one with camera, sitting at that angle, I would have noticed the object. Now, if the object was just sitting there and not moving, I may have missed it, but look how it zips into view at the beginning... I would have definitely noticed that and I would not just keep riding along, I would have stopped and tried to get a better view, if not contemplating the idea of getting the heck out of there.

This could be real, but the people in it seem too nonchalant. I do realise that there are people out there that wouldn't notice a tornado coming straight for them, my wife is like that, so I can only express my opinion on their reaction to the object.

Lee
04-03-2012, 07:02 PM
You make a good point, Norenrad, this could well be a sign that the object was added to the footage afterwards. If you watch the original video with audio track, the camera man calls to his sister asking her to stop. So he claims to have seen the object at the time. Given that the sister is steering it is quite reasonable for here to have missed it. That doesn't really explain why the camera doesn't turn and focus on the object though. Maybe it all happened to fast?

norenrad
04-03-2012, 07:08 PM
Indeed, I would like to see further analysis of this one.

Lee
04-03-2012, 07:10 PM
Indeed, I would like to see further analysis of this one.
Me too. Any takers out there...? :biggrin2:

Marvin
04-04-2012, 01:49 PM
"FX Expert Says Sweden UFO Not a Fake (Video)
April 03, 2012 03:05 AM EDT

A Hollywood FX expert has reviewed the hotly debated "Sweden UFO" footage with powerful video editing tools and says the video is not faked.
The unidentified technician stops short of confirming the flying saucer is an actual unidentified flying object, but observes that if it is phony, "it's the best fake ever" posted to YouTube." Read More - http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981239051


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tuUsN9igi3M

Does anybody want to comment on this analysis...?



I will say this... the article states the video is not a fake, then goes on to say "if it is phony, it's the best fake ever posted to YouTube."

They can't have it both ways... is it not fake or a great fake?


M



Edit to add: If anything, the above video shows the camera is not mounted... and it does not follow the object. Usually this indicates the video was shot and the object was post added. You cannot follow an object with a camera... which isn't there.

Doc
04-04-2012, 03:17 PM
It looks to me like he makes a pretty good case for consistency around 4:15 and after. But what do I know? I'm an audio person. :biggrin2:

Marvin
04-05-2012, 02:08 PM
Doc,

Check the video again from 4:48 on... "this is some of the best fake footage I have seen." Since he argues for both side of the issue (being fake and real), you can come away with whatever you want the video to be. In other words (as an analysis), that video isn’t worth the electrons it was made with.

What is the value of declaring the video real and then claim it is the best fake footage (which must be made by a professional)? Which is it?

One of the reasons I am becoming more hesitant explaining why an image is fake, is the hoaxers are using that type of information to hone their skills and clean up their mistakes. It is becoming extremely difficult to conduct the type of analysis this video attempts to do and detect deceptive or fraudulent images. This is why we need to see the original photo or video to test for changes or modification to the data within the image. When the digital technology becomes capable of hiding the modifications……

Dragonfire
04-05-2012, 02:40 PM
Think this is a good fake. Can't put my finger on it, but something just doesn't add up.

I'm with Marvin here.

Doc
04-05-2012, 05:14 PM
Marvin: I like the explanation of the "halo" effect. I found that to be persuasive. The guy does start to say weird stuff at the end. I don't know is he is being snarky or thinks he is a comic but it detracts from his analysis.

What I don't like about the video is that it is like a few others lately, notably the Bigfoot video featuring the quadrunner, it is all too convenient. It is like some clever guy takes some snowmobile video and his friend the CGI nerd says, "I could put a UFO in that." Of course, that isn't proof...but it feels fake to me because because of the "just happened to catch a UFO" factor.

Lee
04-05-2012, 05:30 PM
I would tend to agree. Like a lot of people I do tire of all the fakes on youtube, to the extent that I find myself dismissing a lot of them out of hand, "not worth the effort", is a thought I often have. That said, I wouldn't want to "throw the baby out with the bathwater", as the saying goes. In this case, I'm ready to move on and look for the next one.

Phillip
04-09-2012, 12:32 AM
Think this is a good fake. Can't put my finger on it, but something just doesn't add up.

I'm with Marvin here.

I would agree with you.