Phoenix Lights - ET Vehicle or US Military vehicle

[calikid]

Thousands of witnesses, including the state governor witnesses an unknown aerial object of hugh proporations.
Was it military or ET?

[Chris]

I've been working in Phoenix for the last several months and I have had the pleasure of speaking with quite a few people who were witnesses to the event. Whether or not they believed in UFOs prior to the event has no bearing on the story they tell - which is seeing an incredibly huge and slow moving vehicle moving toward the southeast.

The description of "huge" was stated by everyone as the adjective given to its size. A more objective description ranged from 1,000 feet to a mile in size. People were so blown away by the event that people were pulling off of I-10 and getting out of their cars to watch this huge vehicle slide slowly by above their heads as they dropped their jaws in awe.

[Zaggan]

I was in Phoenix visiting my Sister when the lights occurred. What most people don't realize is that it lasted two days, and covered most of Arizona. The popular sighting occurred on the second night, but news reports from those two days (tv) mentioned a report of a sighting in Phoenix, then overnight there were sightings in northwest Arizona all the way back towards Phoenix. It was the second night that everyone saw it.

There have been numerous reports over the years of something like this around Phoenix (going back to early 90's that I'm aware of), so my guess is that it's one of ours, and it's based in Phoenix, probably around Luke AFB.

[calikid]

Hi Zaggan,
Did you actually see one of the sightings?
As I understand it, a few of the sightings were unexplained, but one of them was the "flare drop" incident.

[Zaggan]

Unfortunately, I did not. I was aware of the previous unexplained sightings there, so that is why I picked up on it from the beginning. Some of the previous ones occurred in the early 90's, and I think one actually occurred during daylight. It was reported as a triangle.

[calikid]

I saw a map of the fly over, traveled from Phoenix all the way down to Tucson.
Have relatives in Tucson, but they missed it.

If it is "one of ours", cannot help but wonder if a stealth/invisibility shielding may have failed that night.
Why else would the pilot be so reckless unless he thought they would be unseen.

[Musado]

Why else would the pilot be so reckless unless he thought they would be unseen.

*IF* it was one of ours maybe the plan was that it should be seen :das

[southerncross]

Regarding the 1st sighting that first night of the V shaped craft the Gov. saw, with so many pulling over and observing did no one take a picture with a cell phone of camera? Surely someone captured it, and if so, are they published online?

Makes one wonder about Stephenville,Tx. us or them ?

[Redbone]

Truly one of the most amazing sightings to come along. The number of eye witnesses....The size of the craft. Even Govenor Fife Symington came out later and admitted he witnessed the craft. It is obvious that whomever the craft belong to, they wanted to be seen. And seen they were in a big way!!

[calikid]

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It is obvious that whomever the craft belong to, they wanted to be seen. And seen they were in a big way!!

I would certainly like the opportunity to ask the pilot. :biggrin2:

[Redbone]

I would certainly like the opportunity to ask the pilot. :biggrin2:

"Scotty The shields....I need the shields"

"I'm givener all she's got Capt'n"

Can you image being in the Captain's chair on that sweet ride?

"Where to Captain?"

"Out There!" As Captain Kirk points to the stars, "Take her out there!"

[Edgar Fouche]

Don't forget there were several reported sightings of a Flying Triangle traveling from central Nevada down to Phoenix. The flares BS from the US is totally unbelievable to me. Edgar Fouche

[Zaggan]

I agree Ed, I heard reports the day before of at least the Grand Canyon to Phoenix. Back in the early 90's there were also reports of the triangle around Phoenix.

Edit to add that it was the day of the main sighting that I had heard of the previous sightings.

[Doc]

When I lived in Phoenix we saw training fllights out of Luke AFB almost nightly. Sometimes they flew in circles, sometimes in a linear formation. If you watched for anything longer that a few seconds it was obviously aircraft. On quiet nights you could even hear the engines for a long distance if the wind was right. Once in a while they did a flare drop which looked exactly like what it was. I find it hard to imagine anyone thinking a flare drop was something else--especially after it was explained to them. I doubt anyone would mistake a flare drop like I saw for a UFO.

[calikid]

There was a flare drop (on the second night?) after the initial sighting.
The USG scrambling to create a cover story?

@Ed, remind me, were any of those triangles as large as the Phoenix sighting claimed to be?

[Redbone]

Don't forget there were several reported sightings of a Flying Triangle traveling from central Nevada down to Phoenix. The flares BS from the US is totally unbelievable to me. Edgar Fouche

Was the Triangle you refer to here possibly one of ours? I was curious if maybe we had dispatched one of our own to shadow the big one that was seen in Phoenix?

[Precog]

I believe that they were ours and wanted to be seen. I am a skywatcher and have a MUFON report filed for a sighting of a triangle on 29 Nov 2010. I would have to say it was around 1000 ft wide and was moving no faster than one or two MPH. I could also see the six clearance lights, two on each corner. It was very low and no other drivers pulled over as I was waving and pointing to make them aware of it. I have seen about two dozen of them fly over my house.

[aquila]

phoenix lights

[Longeyes]

This massive in my opinion
Some has leaked gun camera footage to David Collins of KWBV News it shows planes interacting with an unknown object at the time of the famous Phoenix Lights Incident.

http://kwbvnews.com/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/phoenix-lights-ufo-watch-incredible-4804782
Grab a copy while you can

The clip is here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7ngIklBym8

This pretty good evidence the video has already been flagged
18 u.s.c. § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

[Longeyes]

An earlier clip of it here
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/192291/Classified_Phoenix_Lights_Footage_Surfaces/

[Longeyes]

Damn sorry folks this may not be what it seems. UFO Chronicles are not convinced. It may well be fake sorry.
Will keep checking see if anything else pops up in his twitter feed. Dave Collins has promised more footage and verification so will have to wait and see

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2014/12/classified-ufo-video-released-by-fake.html

[Longeyes]

http://www.openminds.tv/alleged-leaked-classified-ufo-video-released-fake-news-channel/31194

Almost certainly fake apologies again

[CasperParks]

http://www.openminds.tv/alleged-leaked-classified-ufo-video-released-fake-news-channel/31194

Almost certainly fake apologies again

Lot of fake stuff out there, difficult sorting through what is real and what is not.

Two important factors:
1) Jaded public.
2) Time, money and effort by researches wasted.

[Longeyes]

Yep not sure what is going on with this guy. Alejandro at Openminds TV found out that was portrayed as the actor James Patrick Stuart. But he replied on his website that that was Hollywood who needed a face for him.
I quote, 'JP Stuart portrays me in the American Crimes series, but that is typical Hollywood wanting a charismatic face on a dark subject.'

Will see if anything else develops.

The footage Grid reference N33.549845 W112.451023 corresponds to a location couple of miles from Luke Airforce Base.

Which reminded me of the following which was posted on ATS a while back...

[Longeyes]

'AL' posting on Above Top Secret forum approx Feb 2009

Luke AFB scrambled two F-16C's from the 56th Fighter Wing, however, these aircraft were not vectored southwest of Phoenix toward the source of the [publicly reported flare] lights, but directly south toward Tucson. What is known further, is that less than 10 minutes later, a second set of F-16C's from the 56th were also scrambled and sent southeast.

Radio reports from the first flight of aircraft indicated something "odd" was occurring, however the pilots never gave any indication or specifics (in the open at any rate), as to what that was. Both flights were kept away intentionally from the lights being seen near the Estrella range. It was obvious to all with access that there were other aircraft in the area, with orders to drop flares (whether this was the Maryland ANG is unknown). It was felt that this was indeed a "deception" measure to keep curiosity focused on one space in the sky, as flares were never used that far north of the Goldwater training range (as any Luke personnel can tell you, if they were, there would be weekly "Phoenix Lights" incidents).

In a later post he went on...

On the night of March 13th, 1997, an alert klaxon sounded at Luke, orders for two armed aircraft to perform an immediate take-off to 10,000 feet, and head south-east towards a radar sighting north of Casa Grande, Arizona. The first two aircraft, from the 56th Fighter Wing (310th Fighter Squadron), were armed only with 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder missiles and 20mm Vulcan cannons each. Once the flight was airborne, the flight leader called in that something “odd” was occurring after he picked up a radar contact a few thousand feet below, and several miles ahead of his position. His radar was showing “clutter” common to stand-off jamming.

This led to two further F-16C’s from the 56th, that were being fueled and armed since the first flight was launched, being sent up. This pair, in addition to the armament as above, also carried 2x AIM-7M Sparrow medium range missiles as well. They were also vectored south-east towards Flight 1 (now over Marana, AZ and approaching Tucson) on full afterburner. Flight 1 leader was able to regain radar contact on something large and low that was beginning to accelerate rapidly. Flight 1 lost the contact approximately 7 miles south of Tucson, and was ordered to proceed close to the border and try to regain contact.

Once Flight 1 lost radar contact, Flight 2 was ordered back to Luke (Flight 2 had just approached the Tucson area). Once Flight 1 was on station, attempts were made to re-establish radar contact to no avail. After 10 minutes or so, Flight 1 was ordered back to Luke. ALL of this occurred as the “flares” were being taped and photographed south-west of Phoenix. No aircraft were vectored to that area to investigate.


Other posts included the following

Few in the mainstream press talked about the 'other' sightings that night, focusing on the large triangular craft that had passed over the Phoenix metro area, the outskirts of Tucson, and over Fort Huachuca before slipping in to Mexico.


Further scramble of aircraft was initiated from Nellis AFB, Nevada (prior to the Phoenix sighting) and Holloman AFB, New Mexico (around 10 minutes after the Flight 1 scramble from Luke). F-16’s from Nellis, no word on aircraft type from Holloman (at the time it was the only F-117A “Stealth Fighter” base, with the Luftwaffe having a training squadron of Tornado aircraft, neither would have been used on an intercept mission).

Towers at several locations had tapes of the “event”. Radar at Luke and Davis-Monthan were picking up low level “noise” on several frequencies, similar to what had happened to Flight 1. This “noise” was consistent with active wide-spectrum jamming. It was highly unusual for this to occur in an area that did not have that type of (jamming) training environment (nearest place this was done was at the Nellis AFB range). According to many in the know, something physical was in the sky that night, with radar data providing the primary source of evidence. That “something” entered Mexican airspace and promptly disappeared. Maximum recorded speed was at Mach 1.8 past Tucson nearing Fort Huachuca.

The incident has quietly fallen down the memory hole for most, but not for many USAF personnel close to the incident that night. There is a considerable amount of information that was never leaked, and for an incident of this magnitude, the mind boggles as to why ...

Lifted from this article
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-witness-documents-usaf-reaction-to-phoenix-lights-ufos
Thanks to Larry Lowe for saving it for prosperity

[Longeyes]

This is awesome a new witness as appeared and it no other than...

http://www.openminds.tv/kurt-russell-alleges-he-witnessed-famous-phoenix-ufo-event-video/40238

Kurt Russell alleges he witnessed famous Phoenix UFO

Kurt Russell claims to have witnessed a UFO above Phoenix, Arizona during one of the largest mass-UFO sightings in U.S. history. He discussed the event recently on BBC One’s, The One Show.
Guardians of the Galaxy actors Chris Pratt and Kurt Russell listen to The One Show host Gyles Brandreth tell a UFO story. (Credit: The One Show)
Guardians of the Galaxy actors Chris Pratt and Kurt Russell listen to The One Show host Gyles Brandreth tell a UFO story. (Credit: The One Show)
Russell is one of the leads in the new movie, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2, which was released recently. At the end of April, Russell appeared with co-star Chris Pratt on The One Show to promote the movie. During the interview, host Gyles Brandreth brought out a folder labeled Top Secret and X-Filish music began playing. Brandreth said he had searched the international news clippings for a story Russell and Pratt may be interested in.
Brandreth told the story in the clipping about an unidentified pilot who was flying in his private aircraft with his son near an airport in Phoenix. The pilot spotted six lights in the night sky and reported this to the control tower to find out what was going on. The tower said there were no other planes in the area.
Then in a grand finale to his story, Brandreth dramatically exclaimed, “Mystery unresolved!”
During Brandreth’s telling of the story, Pratt listened, interested, but with no real reaction. However, Russell smiled coyly. As soon as Brandreth finished, Russell chimed in.
“The tail number for that plane was Bonanza two Tango Sierra, and I was the pilot,” Russell claimed, to the audible amazement of the other The One Show hosts. Pratt apparently was not aware this of this piece of information either. His reaction was to don an incredulous smirk as he listened to Russell tell more of the story....

[A99]

Well, there you have it... another famous person seeing UFOs but wish he announced that sighting earlier instead of years after the incident. On the other hand, if he's a pilot, I guess even private pilots like him have to be careful about telling the public about seeing UFOs as some may not want to fly with him when he's piloting the plane after making an announcement like that. lol

[Longeyes]

I think the story was out there about a small aircraft seeing the event years ago, but Kurt Russell had just kept quiet about it being him. If it gets the Phoenix Lights more attention I'm all for it.