'Sirius' The Documentary

[epo333]

Something new from Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the worldwide Disclosure Movement and the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0FO_HtF5s&feature=player_embedded

[CasperParks]

Thanks for sharing the video.

[Garuda]

An interesting recent development is that Greer wants to include information about the corpse of a small extraterrestrial he has been able to get his hands on.

Today, he posted a video with a picture of that alien:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1WhI25S7CY

[Fore]

Something new from Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the worldwide Disclosure Movement and the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0FO_HtF5s&feature=player_embeddedAnyone know what the symbol on his chest means? I can't quite make out the writing beneath the triangle.

(The triangular symbol on his chest caught my attention more than his speech. Hopefully it was a one time shirt he was wearing.)

[pontificator]

I think it says CSETI for the first line... just checked, same: http://www.cseti.org/

[Flying Tiger Comics]

An interesting recent development is that Greer wants to include information about the corpse of a small extraterrestrial he has been able to get his hands on.

Today, he posted a video with a picture of that alien:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1WhI25S7CY


Looks like a Futurama space mummy. Maybe it's teriyaki flavour. At least it's not a 12" pianist...

[Lee]

Interesting, but the image quality isn't very good.

There have been similar stories over the years and other pictures showing very small humanoid bodies.

Puerto Rico:
http://i45.tinypic.com/our0go.jpg

Chile:
http://i46.tinypic.com/296f5uc.jpg

Russia:
http://i47.tinypic.com/34hgd9k.jpg

I'm not sure what these 'creatures' are or even whether they are genuine or not, but personally I doubt that they represent intelligent extraterrestrial beings.

One question I have is why are they all naked? Surely a genuine intelligent ET would be clothed? Analysis of such clothing might also be an easier way to prove intelligent ET origin.

[Flying Tiger Comics]

Yeah I have a huge collection of files on the Puerto Rico miniature creatures. I have no doubt at all they are genuine, but like you I doubt they're space aliens. Especially since they live in and around a big cave system. Much like the Scottish doll sized entities that lived inside Arthur's Mount above Edinburgh and the Cherokee miniature people, etc.

[Doc]

Maybe they are the Menehune? :cool:


http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/menehune-2/
Posted by: Loren Coleman on April 2nd, 2010

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/Menehune1-116x300.jpg
Menehune from The Field Guide of Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933665122/ref=ase_cryptozoologi-20/). Image © Loren Coleman, Patrick Huyghe, Harry Trumbore, 1999; 2006.
In an article in the Maui Time Weekly published yesterday, April 1st, 2010, writer Anuhea Yagi appeared to be trying to explain away Hawaii’s little people, the Menehune:
Residents and visitors alike can readily conjure the image of happy menehune, the mythical little people famed for their nighttime craftsmanship skills (notably, Kauai’s Alekoko Fishpond, which legend tells was constructed overnight).
Loren Coleman, cryptozoologist and co-author of The Field Guide of Bigfoot and Other Mystery Primates (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933665122/ref=ase_cryptozoologi-20/) (1996) says his book includes his “investigations of the 1940s’ Waimea sightings of Menehune by school superintendent George London and about 45 children from two middle elementary level classrooms.” The children are purported to have “told of seeing the Menehune playing around the large trees on the lawn of the parish property, which stands directly across the street from Waimea High School today.”

[norenrad]

Fairies

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e374/norenrad/Fairies.jpg

At least that was my first thought, history is loaded with them, from one culture to another.

[calikid]

Maybe they should change the title to "You can't be Sirius". :-D

[A99]

Ha, ha! That's a good one calkid!

[epo333]

Some of these small Alien(s) reports have been determined to be monkeys . . .:yikes:

680 http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-salinas-alien-many-stories/

681

[calikid]

Some of these small Alien(s) reports have been determined to be monkeys . . .:yikes:

680 http://forgetomori.com/2009/aliens/the-salinas-alien-many-stories/

681

To bad there are no photos of the subjects "other end".
Fundamental difference between apes/man and monkeys.
Monkeys have tails.

[A99]

It could be that it's a materialized psychism. And even though Greer and co. so far have analyzed it to be a biological specimen, once they analyze it further, scientists may find whole gaps of information missing that should be there but are not. For this reason, the results of their analysis may end up 'inconclusive' in many categories in regards to that specimen.

[newyorklily]

An interesting recent development is that Greer wants to include information about the corpse of a small extraterrestrial he has been able to get his hands on.

Today, he posted a video with a picture of that alien:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1WhI25S7CY

Thanks for that Garuda. I'm finding the picture a little strange though. It looks like the figure was photographed in a profile position. Wouldn't a dead body be laying on its back rather than its side?

Has anyone compared the small alien figures with the "stick figure" video that 11August was analyzing? I think there is a thread on it in the Image Analysis section.

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[A99]

Thanks for that Garuda. I'm finding the picture a little strange though. It looks like the figure was photographed in a profile position. Wouldn't a dead body be laying on its back rather than its side?

Newyorklily, could you give us a link to 11Augusts analysis of that video you are talking about and also a link to the post with the link to that video too?
thanks.

[A99]

BTW, I think this specimen is an animal of some sort but that's just my own opinion.

[newyorklily]

Newyorklily, could you give us a link to 11Augusts analysis of that video you are talking about and also a link to the post with the link to that video too?
thanks.

I can't seem to find it. Maybe someone else who knows the video I'm talking about, can post it. It was filmed in either Mexico or Brazil. It showed a Gumby like figure walking through a gate.

I thought the thread was on here but maybe I'm remembering it from another forum. :mad:

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[A99]

11A's all over the net (ufo forums... big VIP in the photo analysis dept. for sure) so not surprising if you saw it on another forum somewhere. But thanks for the info and will keep on the look-out for it. :)

[Longeyes]

This seems like another embarrassing episode for Dr Greer. What is he playing at?
Good luck analyzing it. I'd very surprised if it is anything.

[calikid]

Anyone hear of any updates on this film?
Release date?

[A99]

Something new from Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the worldwide Disclosure Movement and the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0FO_HtF5s&feature=player_embedded

It sounds like it's going to be an interesting documentary. Thanks for this update!

[calikid]

A recent email put out by Dr Steven Greer
subject: update on Sirius film


Dr. Greer reports on research on possible ET body.
After many weeks of travel, we are back to report that amazing results have been obtained from our study of the small possible ET body which was discussed in an earlier blog post.

Dr. Bravo, Emery Smith and I traveled to the country that is now home to this small possible ET body and were able to successfully obtain extensive X-Ray and CT Scans of the entire body. We were also able to obtain DNA samples under sterile, surgical conditions. These DNA samples are now being studied by one of the world's top geneticists.

The X-Ray and CT scan show an intact, actual biological humanoid organism, without question. Astonishing 3-D images were able to be constructed of the body from the detailed CT scan, and we were able to see internal organs such as lungs and what I am fairly sure is a heart structure.
These images have just been examined by the world's foremost authority on skeletal abnormalities, dysplasias and fetal skeletal syndromes and he has stated that this being is unlike any known skeletal structure found in humans. We also know that it is not an ancient hominid, and while humanoid, not apparently human.

Both this expert as well as the radiologist who is head of the imaging center where all X-rays and CTs were done have stated that the bone density precludes the body being that of a 20-22 week aborted human fetus. There is just too much calcium in the bone for this being to have been the result of a fetus of that age. Both doctors feel that the being was post-natal at the time of death (that is had lived for some time outside the womb, if indeed a womb is involved...).

The procedures for the DNA studies are complex and time-consuming. Literally the state-of-the-art technology available on earth will be brought to bear on this study, and the team of experts are without a doubt the most advanced and professional team that could possibly be assembled. The DNA studies will take around 2 months, and possibly longer.

We hope to provide some of these results, and the detailed CT and X-ray images, in the film Sirius. (See Sirius.Neverendinglight.com)
The STAR team has provided film footage of our trip including the examination and surgical procedures performed on the small being, as well as the CT scan and X-rays to the A. Kaleka and the Neverendinglight team to use in the film Sirius.

We have also completed the Sirius Lecture Event in Santa Monica CA which was a great success and standing room only. A big thank you to all of you who came out to make that event a wonderful and historic event!

We have transferred to Neverendinglight hundred of UFO photos, video tapes, dozens of top-secret witness testimony and top-secret government documents as well as other materials for the film At this point there is enough evidence in hand for a 20 part series! We hope the film Sirius will be completed in December, 2012 and I will be further interviewed by NEL in November prior to our Contact expedition to the CA desert Nov. 10-17.

I would like to thank all of you for the enthusiastic support you have provided to this historic film project Sirius. Without you, none of this would be possible!

Steven M. Greer MD


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www.Sirius.Neverendinglight.com

[Blucottoncandy]

Curious to know if anyone is planning on attending...

http://siriusdisclosure.com/

The Sirius World Premiere will be held on April 22, 2013 in Los Angeles, CA

[Longeyes]

I'm pretty unsure about this documentary. I think Dr Greer's truth-compass stopped functioning sometime after the 2001 Disclosure Project, which I thought was awesome.
His book Extraterrestrial Contact is really flakey - full of half stories, maybe lights in the sky and slight feelings of other presences?!? And for all his CETI ambassador training, his course on how to contact ETs, the evidence he has produced himself is rubbish.
The photo he released last year of an ET materializing for a faction of a sec, was really hard to make out and just probably a trick of the light. None of his recent stuff holds up.
He harks on about free energy and how easy it is to do and how big oil has bought up all the patents and suppressed all these ideas. But his Orion Project (http://www.theorionproject.org/en/) has been trying to bring out these technologies for years now and nothing concrete ever seems to have emerged. If it was that easy Hal Puthoff would have made a commercial model 20 years ago. I don't disbelieve this stuff, I just don't believe him.
The little alien - I very much doubt is extraterrestrial, he says it has heart lungs you can see the skeleton, far to similar in my opinion to a terrestrial life form.
I don't trust his instincts and I think the whole field will suffer the consequences of this documentary. Hopefully i'm wrong

[Nighthawk]

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[Longeyes]

The press is really starting to get on board Greer's bandwagon. Why did he have to feature so strongly on that dead 'alien'?
http://www.scienceworldreport.com/articles/6119/20130409/ufo-film-provide-proof-tiny-extraterrestrial-aliens-six-inch-body.htm
I think he's just going to make a collasal t*t of himself. Any make Ufology even more derided than before.

Read this yesterday
http://www.openminds.tv/background-of-ufo-documentary-humanoid-alien-revealed-964/

The recent press release about the UFO documentary Sirius which will feature Dr. Steven Greer and his research on a tiny ET they call the “Atacama Humanoid,” caused quite a bit of stir after it was published in several websites, including our own. What most American ufologists didn’t realize, however, is that this case from Chile’s northern Atacama Desert region is not new and was covered in the Chilean media shortly after its discovery in 2003.

The little ET was found in a ghost town called La Noria, which was once a boom town of the nitrate industry that flourished in this region prior to World War One, when the Germans invented synthetic nitrate. According to a report published in the newspaper La Estrella de Arica on October 19, 2003, written by journalist Camilo Aravena Arriagada, “it all started on a winter morning when a local man from the pampa, Oscar Muñoz, was following his hobby of collecting tokens, bottles and other objects of historical value in the ghost towns from the nitrate era.” Muñoz went specifically to a ghost town called La Noria, located 56 KM to the interior of the provincial capital of Iquique.
1 Panoramic view of La noria

General view of the ghost town of La Noria in northern Chile, where the alleged ET skeleton was discovered in 2003. (Credit: Alberto A. Espinoza)
La Noria Google map

Location of La Noria in northern Chile from the Google satellite map. (Credit: Google Maps)

As Muñoz dug in the area around La Noria’s abandoned church, he came across a white cloth tied by a violet ribbon, finding inside “a strange skeleton no bigger than 15 cm [the size of a pen]. It was a creature with hard teeth, a bulging head with an additional odd bulge on top. Its body was scaly and of dark color. Unlike humans, it had nine ribs,” stated the article in La Estrella de Arica.
The first photo of the alleged tiny alien taken by local worker Alejandro Dávalos. (Credit: Alejandro Dávalos/La Cuarta)

The first photo of the alleged tiny alien taken by local worker Alejandro Dávalos. (Credit: Alejandro Dávalos/La Cuarta)

Alejandro Dávalos, a local worker who was friends with Oscar Muñoz, took a photograph of the creature, and the case received some attention after the story and photo was published in Chile’s mass circulation tabloid La Cuarta. This paper is notoriously sensationalist so it must be taken with a grain of salt. Their headline on October 9, 2003 was, “Discovery of a horrible dwarf extraterrestrial causes commotion in Iquique!” The story was very tongue in cheek, but it did reveal that the ghost towns of La Noria and Humberstone are well known for paranormal activities.

The article by Aravena in La Estrella traced the early history of the creature. Muñoz sold it to a local businessman who owns a pub in Iquique for 30,000 pesos (about $64 in current exchange, it might have been a little more in 2003). The new owner then proceeded to charge money for taking pictures of the alien. The creature itself was eventually sold to a Spanish businessman for a much larger fee and taken to Spain, where it disappeared from public discussion. Although I am not familiar with the details of the transaction, it is likely that Dr. Greer found out about the creature during a very high profile Exopolitical Symposium near Barcelona in 2009, where he was one of the feature speakers.
La Noria ET 2

Another picture of the pen sized alleged ET published in the Arica paper. (Credit: La Estrella de Arica)

Aravena quoted several ufologists and one scientist, who gave their preliminary assessments. The first impression was that the creature could be an early fetus, but this was dismissed by Mario Pizarro, who represents Chile’s UFO research group AION in the north. “Nobody has done a serious investigation to determine what it is,” said Pizarro, “but I don’t think it has anything to do with a four month-fetus. My own personal opinion is that it’s something very strange. I can’t say that it’s an extraterrestrial.” Pizarro also confirmed that this area of La Noria is rich in paranormal experiences.

My old friend Rodrigo Fuenzalida, who is the director of AION in Santiago and probably Chile’s best known ufologist, was far more skeptic after seeing the creature in Iquique. He stated that, “after seeing the figure at close range, I was able to notice something that looked like the remains of an umbilical chord. A visible mark on the left parietal area could have molded the head and bulge to what it now looks. This case is an enigma that should be analyzed by professionals in the fields of medicine and biology, but I don’t think it has anything to do with a UFO case or with ET beings.”

A biologist from Arturo Prat University, Dr, Walter Seinfeld, was even more skeptical. He told the Arica newspaper that, “without a doubt it’s a mammal and I am almost sure that is human,” although he clarified that he can’t give more definitive opinion without examining the creature.

That was basically the initial coverage of Chile’s so-called La Noria ET. We will soon see what kind of scientific backing is presented by Dr. Greer in the new documentary Sirius.

The original article in Spanish in La Estrella de Arica can be read here.

An article about paranormal activities in La Noria and Humberstone can be accessed here.

There's got to be more secure evidence than this! I hope he's done the testing properly.

[newyorklily]

MUFON is also strongly standing behind Greer. He is speaking at their Symposium in July and an email went out today asking members to spread the word around.

http://i525.photobucket.com/albums/cc335/nylily/mufonsymposium.jpg (http://s525.photobucket.com/user/nylily/media/mufonsymposium.jpg.html)

[Doc]

I hope they can back this up with positive results from respectable sources, otherwise they are going to look foolish or worse.

[calikid]

I hope they can back this up with positive results from respectable sources, otherwise they are going to look foolish or worse.

Worse = Deceitful?

[enigphilo]

This was the Directors message email from MUFON in January. I don't remember when I signed up for the mailing list but I rarely receive much information. The focus seems to be on membership and expansion. I hope they use that to gather and disseminate information rather than win popularity. It does seem they are setting a precedent for prioritization of information with the Leonard Stringfield papers.

As it pertains to Greer. MUFON seems to want to expand. It would make sense to back a strong horse, it could be a gamble or they have done the research. Hopefully something will come out of this.



Dave MacDonald_New MUFON International Director

Mutual UFO Network

Director's Message

January, 2013

Kicking off the New Year

WOW! What a great year for MUFON. We have made tremendous strides on all fronts. Our domestic membership is growing at a rate of 75-100 new members per month; our auto-Renew program has had wonderful acceptance which will help us solve the "leakage" problem that plagues most organizations. Our expanded facilities have been a God-send allowing greater efficiency, more capabilities, increased visibility resulting in a respectable increase in "walk-in" traffic which has resulted in new members and a level of community acceptance and respect that would be the envy of any organization.

Another big story is our growth in our International operations. In just a few months we have brought our International membership up to about 100.

We now have National Directors, Regional Directors, Field Investigators and general members in 39 countries. In 19 of those countries we have National Directors with fully organized, fully functional MUFON chapters encompassing a devout following of UFO enthusiasts numbering into the 5 figure range, all of which are potential donors. Europe and South America are fully engaged in this effort. Many of you may not be aware of our free newsletter program which currently services close to 30,000 subscribers.

In January of 2013, I will be flying to Paris to attend what may be one of the most prestigious conclaves of UFO Directors in the history of Ufology. MUFON National and Regional Directors as well as Directors of the Académie d' Ufologie from all over Western Europe will be in attendance as well as Representatives and members from many of the most highly respected research organizations the world has to offer.

MUFON has reached out to the world in a gesture to unite researchers on a global scale. Although each group will maintain their own independence there will be the open sharing of ideas and information which will result in the first truly global network of its kind dedicated to solving one of the greatest mysteries of our time.

Another one of the year's highlights was the acquisition of The Leonard Stringfield papers. I am thrilled to announce that the digitization of these files is complete and a protocol has been developed to set the terms and conditions under which these files can be researched.

A copy of this Access Protocol can be requested by serious researchers by contacting MUFON Headquarters. Researchers meeting the criteria may then apply for access to the files. Please note that researchers who are MUFON members in good standing have priority for the first year.

Although there is so much more going on I better wrap up so that our Journal Editor, Roger Marsh, does not clutch his chest and gasp for air as he sees how much space I am eating up.

So, Happy New Year and thanks to every one of you for your efforts and overall support. Because of you MUFON is smoking hot! Keep looking up. And, the best is yet to come.

[Garuda]

Snippet from an article published today:


Today, the team has elected to share the following additional 'Atacama Humanoid' conclusive findings: 'Ata' was male and survived post-birth 6 to 8 years.
Speaking specifically to Internet controversy over 'Ata,'..While it's size led many to suggest that it was an aborted fetus, bone density and epiphyseal plate studies have already concluded that this creature survived post-birth 6 to 8 years.
There will be considerably more DNA analysis results information released to the public on 'Ata,' the 'Atacama Humanoid,' as the team is calling him, between today and the 22nd. {Emphasis added}

Full article at: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10641553.htm

[Doc]

Worse = Deceitful?

Worse = He would be seen as just another snake oil salesman

[A99]

The procedures for the DNA studies are complex and time-consuming. Literally the state-of-the-art technology available on earth will be brought to bear on this study, and the team of experts are without a doubt the most advanced and professional team that could possibly be assembled. The DNA studies will take around 2 months, and possibly longer.

So they haven't even done a DNA test on it yet? It sounds like Greer is jumping the gun by running a publicity campaign on it before that's been completed. At any rate, why am I thinking that the length of that DNA study is going to be somehow drawn out like taffy even though it would seem that their initial results will most likely be conclusive enough to tell us what it really is?

update: Oh, I see.... am now reading over that link Garuda posted today.

[Doc]

A99: I was thinking pretty much the same thing. Even the appearance of it being dragged out suggests less than optimal results. There are a couple of cryptid DNA projects that are going on two years in process with promises of big news any day now.

[A99]

Thanks Doc.
Sounds like, at the end of the day, the results are going to be SPINNED as INCONCLUSIVE by Greer and co. [YAWN]

[Doc]

Thanks Doc.
Sounds like, at the end of the day, the results are going to be SPINNED as INCONCLUSIVE by Greer and co. [YAWN]

I think that similar doubts have been expressed by nearly everyone who has written about this promised news who was not promoting it in some way.

[newyorklily]

Snippet from an article published today:

Today, the team has elected to share the following additional 'Atacama Humanoid' conclusive findings: 'Ata' was male and survived post-birth 6 to 8 years.
Speaking specifically to Internet controversy over 'Ata,'..While it's size led many to suggest that it was an aborted fetus, bone density and epiphyseal plate studies have already concluded that this creature survived post-birth 6 to 8 years.
There will be considerably more DNA analysis results information released to the public on 'Ata,' the 'Atacama Humanoid,' as the team is calling him, between today and the 22nd. {Emphasis added}

Full article at: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10641553.htm

Thank you for posting this, Manuel.

Unless they have an actual ***** and/or testicles, I don't see how they can determine the sex of the being. If they are using DNA to determine it, then they are comparing it to the DNA of a homo sapien. The way to determine that it is "alien" would be in finding differences, not similarities.

[Longeyes]

A Y chromosome would do it? Though that would imply that it perhaps some kind of hybrid? Who knows.
Pretty certain they already have the DNA results and I seem to remember an article saying the had a few.
One lab won't be enough to back up a claim like this you'd need at least three surely. The promo mentions plural labs...
Hope they didn't analyze that weird bit of jelly coming out of the things eye. ;)

[Longeyes]

Today's the day

Time: 7:30 pm (PST) for LA premier. That is 3.30am GMT or 4.30am BST which we are currently on in the UK
With streaming available for 72 hrs for $9.99 after the event.

[Lee]

It looks like Dr Greer decided to offer the stream for free. This just arrived in my email box:

"WE DID IT with your help! THANK YOU !

Today is the long awaited Premiere for Sirius.

We are providing a UStream free so you can enjoy the fun of the red carpet, Dr. Greer's opening remarks and more excitement after the film.
Click here (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001O8rlAuRuGGyrXNb86iTgfRfKTdli9c_lXyD_Y1 dNQi_Rnhd2hyq4HT4qxu6L0sLX-bwjYOH9i6Ytj1QmJXPHnEuhiDA094laoiaZJ8-nF0VnJz3Gu3smEEJel9uX7QzTvD_ZtoSBui4=) to connect to UStream.


While the film is being shown at LA Live you can watch it on video on demand. please click here. (http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001O8rlAuRuGGxDJ3ZmFmkviThUxZnbITat6K8noF FkySo29bbzye9qMJe8yE9uL3nbq1QRLJh72_INgfT2GxPoHp6D zhSlkqopNCndvWwUjU8Q2vUUFutLrg==)



The video on demand is available in the following languages:




Arabic



Chinese



French



German



Hindi



Italian



Japanese



Korean



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Spanish"

[Lee]

Did anybody here w a watch the premier then...?

[Garuda]

I didn't. It was at an ungodly hour for my timezone...

[Longeyes]

The streaming still current Garuda. Should be for another couple of days.
I'm going to watch it in a bit will report back

[newyorklily]

I was reading that some people didn't receive their link, even after they had paid the $9.99. I hope they got that worked out.

[Garuda]

The streaming still current Garuda. Should be for another couple of days.
I'm going to watch it in a bit will report back

That probably is the paying one. I had received a link to a free livestreaming event, but when I got up this morning and tried the link it said the event had ended.

So, I'm eagerly awaiting your comments! :)

[Longeyes]

That probably is the paying one. I had received a link to a free livestreaming event, but when I got up this morning and tried the link it said the event had ended.

So, I'm eagerly awaiting your comments! :)

That was just the red carpet coverage and preamble not the actual film

[Longeyes]

Well I watched it paid up my $9.99.
I have to say it was worth it. It was really nicely made and although it did at time feel like an homage to Dr Greer it was very good.
C SETI was mentioned a lot which was a little unnecessary, and my gripes were...

They showed the Jerusalem Dome UFO footage as if it was real which as we all know a load of media students in Jerusalem having a laugh. Uhouse appeared with a quote I don't believe him because he backed up David Burisch
I didn't realise that Greer's Orion Project had tried to buy up the estate of the late Water powered Car inventor Stanley Meyer which I also thought was phoney.

They did use three labs to check the DNA ,though the results were inconclusive there were anomalies, the real problem is telling junk DNA from real DNA. It was definitely male, it had a Y chromosome, and genetically much closer to a human than a monkey. When you think about it any alien DNA wouldn't be recognized by the software because it hasn't previously been identified so would simply be labeled junk. A top scientist in genetic bone disorders stated that it was approx 6 yrs old when it died. None of the genetic disorders associated with the figures abnormalities (ie Dwarfism etc) showed up in the DNA.

There was a lovely bit I hadn't heard before basically Jan Harzan told a tale of about Ben Rich saying 'We could now take ET home.." Harzan asked Rich, how it (UFO propulsion)
works. Rich replied, “Let me ask you.How does ESP work?” Harzan replied,” All points in time and space are connected?” Rich replied, “That’s how it works!"

There's not a lot any of you guys won't have seen before but it does have a beautiful energy to it. I was really carried on by the message - to disclose embrace our future etc.
I really hope it makes a difference.

[Doc]

Longeyes: Thanks for the review, especially your critical look at some of the people associated with this and giving us a summary of the details of the DNA testing. It does seem worth the ticket price. The word out there was that "Dr. Greer had to deliver". Do you think he did?

[Longeyes]

I think so, the public will have a lot of problems with Greer's crystal 'C - SETI' symbol, the chanting, and meditations to call down the ETs. I know I do and I'm one of the converted.
Weirdly I'm kinda of one of Greer's children. I was always interested but I was in Washington staying with a friend when I watched the Disclosure Project over the internet and it tipped the balance for me. That was about a couple of weeks after it it had happened,then I visited some other mates in NY.... went up the twin towers... came home to the UK and a week later saw them blow up on the television live.
That was another thing they where they maybe were foolish to imply that 9/11 was a conspiracy. They didn't actually say it but were leaning heavily towards it. I'm not convinced.

[Doc]

It is like he thinks he has to re-draw the circle ever wider to pull in new people or maintain the interest of the ones he already has.

[Garuda]

Lee Speigel writes in the Huffington Post that the DNA is human, or rather that one scientist said it was human:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news

[atmjjc]

I DID NOT SEE THE MOVIE.


I did see the REPORT and SUMMARY by Dr. Gary Nolan which was sort of what I expected concerning his specimen from South America whom Greer refers to as ATA.



Chile Specimen
Report and Summary by Dr. Garry Nolan


There is a need to bring modern biomedical, transparent and verifiable analysis to a
variety of arenas. In the Fall of 2012 a biomedical analysis was initiated of a
mummified specimen claimed to have originated in the Atacama Desert of Chile, South
America. High resolution photographic, X-Ray and Computed Tomography evidence
was taken, along with purification of DNA for whole genome sequence (WGS).

The first stage of the study involved analysis by medical experts specializing in pediatric
growth abnormalities, with primary expertise in the genetics of bone disorders. The
objective of these initial studies was to rule out, or in, previously known syndromes or
rare disorders that could explain the symptoms observed in the specimen. A second
consideration was to determine the “age at time of death”—given that its size would
suggest that the specimen was a pre-term fetus, stillborn, or a deformed post-natal
child. A third, but important, consideration was to determine if the specimen was a
nonhuman hominid such as a South American primate.

Morphologic features include that the specimen has only 10 ribs, mild mid face
hypoplasia, and shows abnormalities of the skull. The observed abnormalities do not
fall into any standard or rare classification of known human pediatric disorders. As
represented by a specialist in pediatric human bone and growth disorders (see attached
report), the 6 inch specimen is a human that was likely 6-8 years of age at the time of
death (age based on epiphyseal plate X-Ray density standards). X-Ray imaging and
CT scan results confirmed the specimen is biological and is not a non-human primate.
The specimen was concluded by the medical specialist to be a human child with an
apparently severe form of dwarfism and other anomalies.

To further investigate the specimen, and to determine possible genetic drivers of its
observed morphology, tissue from the specimen was subjected to whole genome
sequencing. 3 milligrams of tissue was used to prepare 12.5 micrograms of purified
genomic DNA. The DNA was of high quality, showing little to no serious degradation.
DNA was subjected to Illumina library preparation and sequencing on Illumina Miseq
(PE250x2), Genome Analyzer IIX (SR36x1), and Hiseq 2000 PE100x2) sequencing
platforms according to manufacturer’s protocols.

Over 560 million paired end sequence reads passed automated quality control filters
and provided an estimate 19.6X coverage for the whole genome. Approximately 509million
(~91%) reads were mapped to the human reference genome hg19 (providing a
17.7 fold coverage of the genome). The presence of ~9% “unmatched” DNA should not
be interpreted to represent anything unusual about the specimen itself. Reasons for the
lack of match can include artefacts generated during library preparation, low quality
reads from the instrument, or insufficient data to allow computational alignment against
the human reference standard. Further, since this sample is likely to be at the least a
few decade olds, and possibly older, DNA degradation resulting in apparently “false”
mutations can occur. For instance, degradation of cytosine (C) via deamination to uracil
(U) would result in false interpretation of a C residue as thymidine (T) and a resulting
guanine (G) misread as adenine (A) on the opposite strand.

Reconstruction of the mitochondrial DNA sequence and analysis shows an allele
frequency consistent with a B2 haplotype group found on the west coast of South
America, supporting the claimed origination of the specimen from the Atacama Desert
region of Chile. Sequence analysis definitively rules out the specimen as an example of
a New World primate.

Preliminary results demonstrate no statistically relevant alterations of genes encoding
proteins commonly associated with known genes for primordial dwarfism or other forms
of dwarfism. Therefore, if there is a genetic basis for the symptoms observed in the
specimen the casual mutation(s) are not apparent at this level of resolution and at this
stage of the analysis. As the current list of human disorders is far from complete and
many human disorders are polygenic, there might remain to be found a combination of
mutations working in concert that lead to the observed defect(s).

Next steps: This preliminary report demonstrates how currently available biomedical
technologies can be readily applied to the analysis of archeologically and
anthropologically relevant human specimens with genetic disorders of unknown origin.
This report is not a formal conclusion on the nature of the mutations or the underlying
cause of the disorder in this human specimen. Currently the data represents
(conservatively) a 15 fold whole genome reading and as such is insufficient for definitive
conclusions. Future plans include continued study of this specimen to establish up to a
50 fold WHS read that could point to targeted sequencing of hypothetical causal
mutations. Comparison of the observed sequence variations against recently
developed ethnically focused genome databases is planned. Full analysis of the DNA,
and attempts to link genetics to morphology, will eventually follow in an appropriately
peer-reviewed article in an accredited scientific journal. The results will be
independently verified before publication.

[newyorklily]

Longeyes: Thanks for the review, especially your critical look at some of the people associated with this and giving us a summary of the details of the DNA testing. It does seem worth the ticket price. The word out there was that "Dr. Greer had to deliver". Do you think he did?

I think what Dr. Greer delivered was more questions about the being. In this aricle, written by Lee Speigel for the Huffington Post, he wrote about how Dr. Nolan (one of the scientists researching the DNA), identified the being as human. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4568226,b=facebook

However, in this paper written by Dr. Greer, it is clear to see that the being cannot be completely human. If it is, it raises a lot more questions especially about medical science as we know it. http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

[montalk]

Saw the documentary tonight. It was well-done from a film-making point of view.

I agree with Greer about the Military Industrial Complex / Shadow Government / Cabal being a huge danger to our planet.

I was familiar enough with the free energy and antigravity researchers discussed in the film, and think most of them are legit. If we could have just enough free energy to shake off the oil industry and decentralize control of power, mankind would be so much more free. Then again, free energy without equal ethical evolution = perpetually running war machines and drones with infinite energy weapons and bombs that could blow up the planet.

On CSETI sending out telepathic thoughts to contact aliens, very bad idea. Greer's paradigm rests on the premise that aliens are benevolent across the board. Well, we've debated that quite a bit already so I don't need to rehash the arguments.

The main thrust of the documentary is that human cabal = totally evil, aliens = totally good, people who want to call down aliens to lead us into a new age = totally good. And that we need to buck the current human power structure or leave them behind, and step into a high technology future under the stewardship of aliens.

Well, that's along the lines of what some questionable alien factions seem to want anyway. They're a bit too eager to take the reigns for my comfort. As I've said before, we may have two hills to climb over... first, the New World Order system (human totalitarianism by force) and after that the New "Alien" Order system (totalitarianism by alien deception, which Christians may recognize as the reign of the Antichrist). The fall of the first would lead right into the second.

[Longeyes]

Garry Nolan was the Doctor featured in Sirius who collated all the data for Dr Greer. At the end the conclusion is left pretty open - ie it's up to the viewer to decide whether you think it is some kind of hybrid but it does seem doubt.
Basically they were intelligent enough to realise that they couldn't come out and say 'This is an alien' so he hasn't made a fool of himself and in fact quite cleverly used it to create a media storm.

One other thing I noticed was that Thomas Clearwater was an exec on the film. He is the guy who put up $1,000,000 for Steve Bassett's Citizen Hearing On Disclosure so we got to thank him for a lot of this exposure.

[Doc]

Saw the documentary tonight. It was well-done from a film-making point of view.

I agree with Greer about the Military Industrial Complex / Shadow Government / Cabal being a huge danger to our planet.

I was familiar enough with the free energy and antigravity researchers discussed in the film, and think most of them are legit. If we could have just enough free energy to shake off the oil industry and decentralize control of power, mankind would be so much more free. Then again, free energy without equal ethical evolution = perpetually running war machines and drones with infinite energy weapons and bombs that could blow up the planet.

On CSETI sending out telepathic thoughts to contact aliens, very bad idea. Greer's paradigm rests on the premise that aliens are benevolent across the board. Well, we've debated that quite a bit already so I don't need to rehash the arguments.

The main thrust of the documentary is that human cabal = totally evil, aliens = totally good, people who want to call down aliens to lead us into a new age = totally good. And that we need to buck the current human power structure or leave them behind, and step into a high technology future under the stewardship of aliens.

Well, that's along the lines of what some questionable alien factions seem to want anyway. They're a bit too eager to take the reigns for my comfort. As I've said before, we may have two hills to climb over... first, the New World Order system (human totalitarianism by force) and after that the New "Alien" Order system (totalitarianism by alien deception, which Christians may recognize as the reign of the Antichrist). The fall of the first would lead right into the second.

As much as I complain about Dr.Greer's sensationalism, it is at least understandable. My bigger problem with him is the seemingly naive acceptance of assumptions about the nature and intent of the aliens that have no basis other than wishful thinking.

[Doc]

Garry Nolan was the Doctor featured in Sirius who collated all the data for Dr Greer. At the end the conclusion is left pretty open - ie it's up to the viewer to decide whether you think it is some kind of hybrid but it does seem doubt.
Basically they were intelligent enough to realise that they couldn't come out and say 'This is an alien' so he hasn't made a fool of himself and in fact quite cleverly used it to create a media storm.

One other thing I noticed was that Thomas Clearwater was an exec on the film. He is the guy who put up $1,000,000 for Steve Bassett's Citizen Hearing On Disclosure so we got to thank him for a lot of this exposure.

That is a very generous level of support. I hope it turns out that he concludes that it was money well spent.

[ScaRZ]

I think the whole Greer thing is a utter mess. Why is it the benevolent ET's haven't just simply given Greer the clean energy technology? ........."How many years has Greer now been channeling these benevolent ET's?"
Why don't the benevolent ET's just give him and the CSETI the technology?........."I would think by now Greer would have ask them,"Don't you?"
Why is it only the evil bad guys have it?

Simple questions,but where are the simple answers Mr. Greer?

[newyorklily]

I think the whole Greer thing is a utter mess. Why is it the benevolent ET's haven't just simply given Greer the clean energy technology? ........."How many years has Greer now been channeling these benevolent ET's?"
Why don't the benevolent ET's just give him and the CSETI the technology?........."I would think by now Greer would have ask them,"Don't you?"
Why is it only the evil bad guys have it?

Simple questions,but where are the simple answers Mr. Greer?

Good point, ScaRZ. If I ever get the opportunity, I'll ask him.

[Gemeos]

You can still see the documentary here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6S2VOUxBCk

and the C2C program from yesterday, with Steven Greer, Paola Harris and Dr. Garry Nolan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkI-4lhy1KI


In the first half, authors Steven Greer and Paola Harris discussed The Atacama humanoid as well as UFO disclosure. Greer, who has recently published a paper on the latest scientific findings related to the humanoid, said that the specimen is an actual organism and not a hoax. According to him, the world's foremost skeletal expert has determined that, despite its diminutive size, the entity was actually six to eight years old when it died. Stanford University professor Dr. Garry Nolan joined the conversation in the latter half of the first hour to share his thoughts on the Atacama humanoid. While he acknowledged that it is "very, very, very likely to be human," Nolan conceded that the findings so far have presented unique paradoxes which prevent making that determination with any certainty.

Regarding UFO disclosure, Harris recalled working with Greer in 1999 to document the testimony of Italian military witnesses and marveled at his meticulous nature in collecting these statements. She declared that disclosure is a grassroots process which is happening "from the bottom up, not from the top down." To that end, Greer explained that his work was borne out of that concept, since the government has steadfastly refused to release the 'truth' concerning UFOs or had been kept in the dark by those who do possess that information. As such, his new film, Sirius, aims to increase awareness about the UFO coverup amongst those previously unaware. Beyond that, Greer expressed hope that the film can lead to a breakthrough in research of alternative energy systems that "we know and can prove exist."

[DeepCut]

I contributed to the funding of this documentary, only ten pounds.

Yesterday i paid ten dollars (£6.55p) to stream the documentary.

I've been in contact with Disclosure Project members for many years now, i have the highest regard for the witness testimony the project pulled together.

In my opinion, the DP is the second best body of evidence (in the form of witness testimony) that we have in regards to the reality of the UFO phenomenon. I think the first best is the collection of various government documents (from multiple countries) that proves that governments around the world take the matter very seriously indeed.

In my mind there is no question as to the reality of UFO's or the fact that they are, or were in origin, extra-terrestrial.

Having said all that, i found the Sirius documentary severely lacking in new content, or even old content, enhanced.

I have a small experience in flim-making. There is no way that the full funding the Sirius documentary got from it's crowd-sourcing made it to the production of the film.

Firstly, it is mostly old footage from DP witnesses.

Secondly, other footage it uses is either 3rd-party, some of it from YouTube, or recently filmed at low cost, ie; interviews with Greer and his staff.

Thirdly, the analysis of the 'alien' object turns out to be inconclusive at best.

Fourthly and finally, when will Greer come out and admit his sexuality ? He is meant to be all about 'love and light' these days (a term i find repulsive) and yet hides the truth of his own sexuality.

If you are seeking truth from the world, don't hide the fundamental parts of your being, whether they be your beliefs or your desires.

I have gay friends, i am not at all homophobic, i raise this point because i think that if a person cannot be truthful about their own sexuality, how can we expect them to be truthful about greater matters ?

Perhaps, if i can indulge in some amateur psychology, his efforts to gain disclosure on the UFO front mirror his inside need to just be himself, publicly.

To summarise, a very disappointing documentary with no new content, plenty of old content, plus all the usual graphics and music that imply love and light and the pursuit of truth, yet give us nothing.

I really am sad about the quality of this doc, i was hoping for more than a rehashing of the political and energy issues regarding UFO's and their disclosure.

As a final word, i have the utmost respect for Greer's work in bringing together such a huge body of credible witness testimony in the Disclosure Project. That was a success, i think the documentary is a failure.


All the best,

DC.

[newyorklily]

I think what Dr. Greer delivered was more questions about the being. In this aricle, written by Lee Speigel for the Huffington Post, he wrote about how Dr. Nolan (one of the scientists researching the DNA), identified the being as human. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4568226,b=facebook

However, in this paper written by Dr. Greer, it is clear to see that the being cannot be completely human. If it is, it raises a lot more questions especially about medical science as we know it. http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/SMG-report-4-22-2013-FINAL-COMPLETE.pdf

I would like to know why Lee Speigel took Dr. Nolan's words out of context and made it sound like Dr. Nolan began the study with a bias and wanted to debunk the being. From the above article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false#sb=4568226,b=facebook


'Sirius' Documentary Reveals DNA Test Results On Ata, The '6-Inch Alien'
By Lee SpeigelPosted: 04/23/2013 12:16 pm EDT | Updated: 04/23/2013 12:16 pm EDT

The mummified remains of what looks like a 6-inch space alien has turned "Sirius" into the most eagerly awaited documentary among UFO enthusiasts.

The findings, however, might come as a disappointment.
In early publicity, filmmakers claimed the documentary would reveal that the DNA of the creature with an oversized alien-looking head couldn't be medically classified (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10591131.htm).

In fact, the film, which premiered Monday in Hollywood, features a scientist who concluded the little humanoid was human.
"I can say with absolute certainty that it is not a monkey. It is human -- closer to human than chimpanzees. It lived to the age of six to eight. Obviously, it was breathing, it was eating, it was metabolizing. It calls into question how big the thing might have been when it was born,"said Garry Nolan, director of stem cell biology at Stanford University's School of Medicine in California.

"The DNA tells the story and we have the computational techniques that allows us to determine, in very short order, whether, in fact, this is human," Nolan, who performed the DNA tests, explains in the film.

For anyone who saw the movie, it was very apparent that the impression Lee Speigel gave was very inaccurate.

[DeepCut]

Interesting, but the image quality isn't very good.

...
One question I have is why are they all naked? Surely a genuine intelligent ET would be clothed? Analysis of such clothing might also be an easier way to prove intelligent ET origin.

How long do you think textiles survive before they degrade into nothing ?

I watched the doc yesterday, i payed ten quid to fund it and i payed six quid to stream it.

Very disappointing. Lots of old video material, the new video material brought us no new information. The analysis of the corpse proved to be inconclusive.


All the best,

DC.

[Longeyes]

I contributed to the funding of this documentary, only ten pounds.

Yesterday i paid ten dollars (£6.55p) to stream the documentary.

I've been in contact with Disclosure Project members for many years now, i have the highest regard for the witness testimony the project pulled together.

In my mind there is no question as to the reality of UFO's or the fact that they are, or were in origin, extra-terrestrial.

Having said all that, i found the Sirius documentary severely lacking in new content, or even old content, enhanced.

I have a small experience in flim-making. There is no way that the full funding the Sirius documentary got from it's crowd-sourcing made it to the production of the film.

Firstly, it is mostly old footage from DP witnesses.
.

Agreed there is no way the money they needed that much money to shoot and produce that film. Shooting a lecture and C SETI weekend and a few close associates was taking the easy root. But the marketing that has gone into this has cost 10,000's of dollars it has had pretty good coverage. It needs to make the mainstream to make some impact.

He does state (see below) that the money will go to free energy research but I don't think he has been up front enough about that.

I get the impression he's taking a few shortcuts to get the money for funding. ET Contact was a rubbish book mostly written up notes, this too has been done a little bit on the cheap. But I don't doubt his intentions I think he genuinely will use it for research. And although he's pretty camp I don't think there's any real evidence he's gay.

His 'hug every alien' mentality may be wrong but agree I don't think the dark forces are so manifest on this material plane. I mean we would have been taken over and enslaved long ago. If you think you are enslaved now you've got real problems, not in the west anyway. I also agree we do have a divine spark or indestructible buddha essence which cannot be destroyed. In fact the highest Buddhist teachings teach that true nature of the universe is 'all-good'. People then say 'You get nothing for free in this world!' Well you were given life and consciousness the most precious gifts for absolutely nothing. I hope the same is true for free energy, surely the best way though would be to offer people a stake in that future offer them some shares?

http://siriusdisclosure.com/sirius-film-2/

Your financial support will help us distribute the documentary which will expose years of witness testimony and evidence for the world to see. In addition, through the proceeds of this film, you will be helping fund independent research and development of the long-suppressed energy technologies so urgently needed by humanity.

[Longeyes]

Sirius has made it into the papers in the UK a couple of them quoting the idiot,Lee Speigel, from the Huffington Post.com, although they have posted a fairer article today in the UK version.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/ufo-documentary-reveals-remains-six-inch-1850805
http://metro.co.uk/2013/04/24/space-alien-skeleton-discovered-in-chile-is-actually-a-mummified-human-3665015/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2313828/Is-really-human-DNA-tests-inch-skeleton-alien-looking-creature-sized-head-prove-actually-human-claim-scientists-new-documentary.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4901320/tv-show-reveals-truth-of-6in-skeleton-found-in-atacama-desert.html

[DeepCut]

...
His 'hug every alien' mentality may be wrong but agree I don't think the dark forces are so manifest on this material plane. I mean we would have been taken over and enslaved long ago. If you think you are enslaved now you've got real problems, not in the west anyway.
...


Longeyes, i feel you may be a bit short-sighted ;+}

If we are enslaved, how would we know ? Do cows know that they are food-slaves ?

And what is this 'not in the west anyway' ? What do you feel is so special about the west ?


All the best,

DC.

[earthman]

Was a bit disappointing. Same old story. As for contact by meditation, yea it's real. I had my dought's on this for years until I found my old girlfriend from 37 years ago. We are together now living in Denver. She had some good story's about contact through meditation. She knew nothing about DP or Greer and the ufo community as a whole. I have introduced her to these things now. She has been a contactee since childhood. She considers these things private so I can not comment on her experiences. But she has changed my views and has introduced me to a new way of thinking. Greer is making contact but that's as far as it will go. They are not going to make there self known as of yet. People have to change there ways before that will ever happen. I just glad I will have the chance to talk with them this summer when i'm ready. Until then I am learning and changing my views on life and what it is all about.

[Longeyes]

Longeyes, i feel you may be a bit short-sighted ;+}

If we are enslaved, how would we know ? Do cows know that they are food-slaves ?

And what is this 'not in the west anyway' ? What do you feel is so special about the west ?


All the best,

DC.

Well we aren't being paid $4 dollars a month and starving. We've got enough free time to spend it on sites like this. We have more material goods than we'll ever need, people regularly have lockups full of stuff because they can't fit all it all in their houses. Do you really think there is no difference between your life and that of say a Dalit in India? Do you have to work 12hrs a day 6 days of the week that is pretty standard in China only now are they starting to get better working conditions. Do you live in an oppressive regime like the Middle East or a country at war like Syria, or Somalia where there is no government at all. If you are enslaved its a very open prison. Don't get me wrong I don't think that the 1% deserve anywhere near as much power and wealth as they have but all the moaning about how bad things are with the economy at the moment, compared to other poorer parts of the world - use your imagination. Everyone has an HD TV, even people on benefits, in other parts of the world some people don't even have access to water. If in doubt check this site out see how poor you are...
http://www.globalrichlist.com/
We have more spare time, more freedom than we've virtually ever had the problem we face is we could lose it, and it is a constant battle for rights and stopping oppression greed violence all the evils in the world today. I think they've made millions of that ET technology they've seeded. Things are in balance always the secrecy surrounding UFOs has done a great deal of harm - it needs to end.

[Doc]

Longeyes: That global rich list is fascinating. Thanks for posting it. As you said, many of us have more than we need,etc. I know we give things to charity we no longer want that others would consider themselves rich to possess.

[DeepCut]

Well we aren't being paid $4 dollars a month and starving. We've got enough free time to spend it on sites like this. We have more material goods than we'll ever need, people regularly have lockups full of stuff because they can't fit all it all in their houses. Do you really think there is no difference between your life and that of say a Dalit in India? Do you have to work 12hrs a day 6 days of the week that is pretty standard in China only now are they starting to get better working conditions. Do you live in an oppressive regime like the Middle East or a country at war like Syria, or Somalia where there is no government at all. If you are enslaved its a very open prison. Don't get me wrong I don't think that the 1% deserve anywhere near as much power and wealth as they have but all the moaning about how bad things are with the economy at the moment, compared to other poorer parts of the world - use your imagination. Everyone has an HD TV, even people on benefits, in other parts of the world some people don't even have access to water. If in doubt check this site out see how poor you are...
http://www.globalrichlist.com/
We have more spare time, more freedom than we've virtually ever had the problem we face is we could lose it, and it is a constant battle for rights and stopping oppression greed violence all the evils in the world today. I think they've made millions of that ET technology they've seeded. Things are in balance always the secrecy surrounding UFOs has done a great deal of harm - it needs to end.

OK, i didn't mean to cause you to reply so vehemently, i think we have the same view of the world, pretty much.

I agree, it does have to end, and we are in a very lucky position as Westerners, i think i mistook your original meaning so i apologise for that.

What do we do as people that benefit from wars that we don't want to be a part of ?

I live in London, i tookj part in the Stop The War demos' there were far more people present than the meeja told everyone else on the 6 o clock news ...

When i look at history, the only positive change has come from groups of individuals.

It's all very well us all sitting at home typing (as you are undoubtedly aware of) but what do we do ?

Here in the UK apathy seems to rule - "Let them eat cake".

I'm just really pissed off (like a lot of us on this forum are) and i see that demos and online protests change nothing.

We are being ******-over left, right and centre and it's time we did something.

I think, whatever our individual political outlooks, our real power lies in our pockets. Supply and demand.

Unfortunately, those of us that really give a **** seem to be in a minority. I can tell by your post that you feel strongly about this.

I think the only way the human-condition can lessen is with a psychological revolution. We have technology, but we misuse it.

I hope that evolution eventually encompasses the mind as well as the body and the external existence we seem to have,

Anyayway, i'm a bit drunk and rambling but i hope you don't think i'm an ******** now ;+}

I hope i've explained myself well enough - communication is very important to me and it's very hard to present oneself as a whole person on a forum.


All the best,

DC.

[Longeyes]

Sorry DC. I'm preaching to the converted here rant over.
I agree it very difficult to get a sense of who someone is on forums. So much communication seems to be lost even going from speech to text.

I don't think we are powerless. I was on that march as well, the problem wasn't with the media, i'm pretty sure there was mention of the 2 million people turning out. It was just Blair had already made his mind up. It never thought that when that many people turn out against something - they've generally got a pretty good point to make. The intelligence reports were cherry picked he and Bush had already decided by then, it wasn't as if we didn't have weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq saying there was nothing there.

Our Democracies I think are mainly under threat from big business. We vote once every four years for someone to uphold our rights, beliefs look after the future. Then when the get to Parliament they get lobbied every day by big businesses and the banks look how eroded the so called changes have become. In the US it even worse because you have to raise millions to even stand for office, which is very hard to obtain without getting obligated, added to the fact that lobbying in the States is the most advanced in the world. That isn't democracy. Once in power our voices are drowned out by corporate lobbies. Then there's the revolving door policies in a lot of state departments, the people regulating the banks worked for and will work for again the big banks. And they're surprised when things go t**s up? It was in the new today big accountancy firms in the UK getting people to work in the Revenue and finding the loopholes , and also consulting the Revenue with tax laws designed so that they can pass savings onto their clients. That's daylight robbery.

But what I really love at the moment are groups like 38degrees and Avaaz who are giving us a voice again. There have been some incredible successes in the last couple of years. Someone handing you a 2 million people petition tends puts a lot pressure on people. These groups are making a difference.
http://www.avaaz.org/en/
http://www.38degrees.org.uk/
And remember you aren't the only person who cares people only need to be told and they are generally outraged by what has being going on under their noses.

[Longeyes]

Longeyes: That global rich list is fascinating. Thanks for posting it. As you said, many of us have more than we need,etc. I know we give things to charity we no longer want that others would consider themselves rich to possess.

Hi Doc

You'll probably like this too...
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[Doc]

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[atmjjc]

It seems to me that Dr. Garry Nolan seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. His Report and Summary of ATA was not ambiguous. The DNA testing though far from being complete, clearly showed that ATA was human and had a mother. The timing and release was intentional since the DNA testing was completed in fall of 2012 and not fully released to the public until around opening night of Dr. Greer’s movie.

I personally know of the visitors and no one needs to persuade me concerning Alien presence, but Dr. Greer is taking a Guru approach to try and make people believe and appears to be spinning the truth in favor of recruiting new believers into his new age philosophy.

For those of you who have not seen the movie “Kumare” I highly recommend viewing the movie before accepting anyone as a new age guru and especially before shelling out $$$ for any cause until vetted.

Ted Talks... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3BJ23H5yBQ

[earthman]

For those of you who have not seen the movie “Kumare” I highly recommend viewing the movie before accepting anyone as a new age guru and especially before shelling out $$$ for any cause until vetted.


Haha. Good one. It's on Netflix, havn't watched it yet. Looks good. I see where your coming from on Greer. I can do what Greer is doing through my girl friend for free.

[Doc]

It seems to me that Dr. Garry Nolan seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. His Report and Summary of ATA was not ambiguous. The DNA testing though far from being complete, clearly showed that ATA was human and had a mother. The timing and release was intentional since the DNA testing was completed in fall of 2012 and not fully released to the public until around opening night of Dr. Greer’s movie.

He said it had markers from the geographical area where it was found, which makes it either local fauna or a hybrid. It was as if he was vaguely proposing several hypotheses and trying to leave several doors open. That isn't necessarily bad science but it is less than clear presentation of his conclusions, I assume for PR reasons.

[Longeyes]

He said it had markers from the geographical area where it was found, which makes it either local fauna or a hybrid. It was as if he was vaguely proposing several hypotheses and trying to leave several doors open. That isn't necessarily bad science but it is less than clear presentation of his conclusions, I assume for PR reasons.

I think there he is referring to the Mitochondrial DNA. You inherit a complete copy of your mother's mitochondrial DNA, it is they easiest way to track migration. Mutations build up over generations and has humanity spread across the globe you can track genetic changes, the DNA progressively mutates the further it is from the source. He mentioned it had mitochondrial DNA consistent with the local population in the film. Ie It almost certainly had a human Mexican mother.

But he never said 'This is human' and although it seemed much closer to human DNA the a monkey. He didn't confirm 100% that it was human and as a scientist I very much doubt he would. If it is human it is a mutation that no-one has ever seen before but it is impossible to tell without another source with the same mutation. How could you isolate the particular genes (alien DNA) that caused the mutation, it won't stand out it will be just another meaningless chunk of GTATGA etc. But what is more likely an alien hybrid? Or a mutation that hasn't been discovered yet? We don't even have a myth or story hinting that the mother was abducted had an alien child. This was found in the desert. We don't even know if other alien lifeforms use DNA as a genetic material I mean you can't cross a cat with a dog it's hardly likely the Mexican mother had sex with an ET and this popped out. There are so many problems with this, unless you had a know sample of alien DNA how could you isolate genes there are 32 Billion base pairs (ie GTACAT...) in the human genome. So he basically has something he can't prove is alien.
If it had completely unknown DNA, or something other than DNA, then that would be different.

[atmjjc]

I agree with much of what you are saying Longeyes but…


posted by Longeyes

But he never said 'This is human'

Do you mean Greer or Nolan?

Dr. Nolan did not report it was a specimen as of ‘unknown origin’ according to DNA research but reported it as human according to DNA research. So if Dr. Nolan is now on a circus tour with Dr. Greer than his motives for contradicting his own studies or trying to make it appear as if something else might be a reason that ATA could be something else but human than his integrity would be in question as a scientist.

ATA also has a Y chromosome, which determine its sex as male and showed he had a human father. What would interest scientists now would be bone density and mutation studies, not whether it was from outer space or from another planet.

Again Dr. Garry Nolan who headed up the Stanford research on ATA and he did report in his Summary which will be examined for peer review by fellow scientists that the specimen is human. Never once did he report it was not or infer it was not human in his Report and Summary.

[Longeyes]

I was just going on what I remember Dr Nolan saying in Sirius. Watch the last 15 mins or so maybe I'm wrong but he seemed to leave it open. There are questions which don't have answers. How could a mini human that small survive for 6 yrs?

I don't think it is an alien and I think it was more of a ploy to gain some notoriety for the film which was always going to backfire. I mean the whole problem with UFOs in the eyes of the public is that 'they don't hold up, there is no evidence'. How stupid was it to front the whole film with something that flakey? Anyone with any sense will read that and switch off, exactly the opposite effect he's trying to create.

He should have focused on the very best of his witness testimony and free energy technology. Focusing on cseti and the ata humanoid was daft. No offence Earthman but people have enough problems getting there head round ETs let alone contactees. We've become normalised to it and know the evidence the general joe in the street lives in another world. It's also almost impossible to verify.

[newyorklily]

I was just going on what I remember Dr Nolan saying in Sirius. Watch the last 15 mins or so maybe I'm wrong but he seemed to leave it open. There are questions which don't have answers. How could a mini human that small survive for 6 yrs?


A human child that size could not survive especially in a rural society who knows how many years ago. So, the question still remains: If it isn't completely human, then what is it? Hybrid? Genetically manipulated human? Hopefully, we will get these answers in the future.

[Doc]

A human child that size could not survive especially in a rural society who knows how many years ago. So, the question still remains: If it isn't completely human, then what is it? Hybrid? Genetically manipulated human? Hopefully, we will get these answers in the future.

I think that is one of the genuine mysteries. How did it live 6-8 years?

I had a thought the other day that I know is ridiculous...but if this was a mutation that is rare but has been known to happen occasionally in certain geographical areas, would it explain tales of elves and fairies? Michael Crichton in Eaters of the Dead The 13th Warrior) wondered if a relict population of earlier humans or proto-humans, who kept out of sight in the forests, etc. were responsible for the old stories of elves, The Little People and the like. I think it is worth thinking about, at least.

[newyorklily]

I think that is one of the genuine mysteries. How did it live 6-8 years?

I had a thought the other day that I know is ridiculous...but if this was a mutation that is rare but has been known to happen occasionally in certain geographical areas, would it explain tales of elves and fairies? Michael Crichton in Eaters of the Dead The 13th Warrior) wondered if a relict population of earlier humans or proto-humans, who kept out of sight in the forests, etc. were responsible for the old stories of elves, The Little People and the like. I think it is worth thinking about, at least.

Dr. Nolan said that they could not find any known markers for any known mutations (i.e. progeria) however, like you said, this mutation might be so rare these days, that the scientists don't know about it...yet.

But, I'm also wondering if ETs were conducting genetic experiments on ancient humans. This article in Message To Eagle tells of scientists who have discovered that the DNA of Europeans changed dramatically 4,000-5,000 years ago. However, the scientists have no explanation for the change.

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/genetichisteurope.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Messagetoeaglecom+%28Message+ To+Eagle+-+News%29&utm_content=Yahoo%21+Mail#.UX16NqI3tRa

Here is the abstract from the actual paper. http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v4/n4/full/ncomms2656.html


Haplogroup H dominates present-day Western European mitochondrial DNA variability (>40%), yet was less common (~19%) among Early Neolithic farmers (~5450 BC) and virtually absent in Mesolithic hunter-gatherers. Here we investigate this major component of the maternal population history of modern Europeans and sequence 39 complete haplogroup H mitochondrial genomes from ancient human remains. We then compare this ‘real-time’ genetic data with cultural changes taking place between the Early Neolithic (~5450 BC) and Bronze Age (~2200 BC) in Central Europe. Our results reveal that the current diversity and distribution of haplogroup H were largely established by the Mid Neolithic (~4000 BC), but with substantial genetic contributions from subsequent pan-European cultures such as the Bell Beakers expanding out of Iberia in the Late Neolithic (~2800 BC). Dated haplogroup H genomes allow us to reconstruct the recent evolutionary history of haplogroup H and reveal a mutation rate 45% higher than current estimates for human mitochondria.

Maybe faeries and the little people are experiments gone wrong.

[Longeyes]

This I would say is big news, off the back of 'Sirius' Dr Greer has been asked to brief 120 world leaders industry, academic and the like...
Sounds hopeful.

From his New Year email message...
Dear Friends and Supporters,

I would like to thank all of you for the key support that you have provided in the past year as Sirius was launched and a new wave of interest in Contact and Disclosure swept the world.

The most successful crowd-funded documentary film in history has had very successful premieres in Australia, London, Los Angeles, Washington DC, Las Vegas and Virginia.

We have just signed an agreement to have Sirius broadcast in Asia in Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei and other locations and a special edition DVD will be distributed in Japan in the coming months.

In the course of the roll-out of Sirius, thousands of people have learned about how each of us can make Contact through the CE-5 Contact program, and that ending secrecy on UFOs can pave the way for bringing out new zero point energy technologies to end the era of Big Oil.

As a result of this momentum, I was asked to address a prestigious gathering of 120 leaders from around the world who represented governments, corporations, academic institutions and other key sectors of society. Many had never heard of the evidence and testimony of the Disclosure Project and the promise of the new physics behind the energy and propulsion system of UFOs. As a result of this event, senior leaders around the world have requested further information and are being sent the video of Disclosure Project Witnesses with the presidential briefing document (2 hr Witness DVD). At this gathering of leaders from around the world, we made the argument for the support of civilian, peaceful uses of new zero point energy systems, and called for active involvement by leaders to assist in bringing out to the public these new, earth-saving technologies which have been illegally suppressed for over half a century...

[epo333]

Steven Greer on Russian Times!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwwtxHEI0Wc

[Longeyes]

That was awesome! He is a good spokesperson.
Lots of Et related stuff on their channel at the moment. Why not get on Vasily Yeremenko and Alexey Savin on? At least check back with the motherland? Have they hit a new seam (ie. ufology) they had Hellyer on last week, or they preparing us for something?

[earthman]

That was pretty good. One of the best interview's I have him do in a while.

earthman

[CasperParks]

He is a good speaker. I suspect he is allowed to continue moving forward for a reason.

Disclosure is fast approaching.