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majicbar
09-03-2012, 01:23 AM
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2012/09/the-socorro-incident-historical-wind.html

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2012/09/vidcast-dr-kevin-randle-host-frank.html

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2009/09/socorro-incident-hoax-exposed-or-case.html

It now looks like the report of this sighting being a hoax is itself a hoax. The professor reporting the hoax may be a government shill, friends with Donald Menzel the debunker and Menzel has been listed as a supposed member of MJ-12. The reporter who wrote the story seems not to be trustworthy as an investigator, making the whole hoax much more questionable given the investigation done by Blue Book and Hynek back in 1965.

majicbar
09-03-2012, 06:58 AM
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2012/09/the-socorro-incident-historical-wind.html

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2012/09/vidcast-dr-kevin-randle-host-frank.html

http://www.theufochronicles.com/2009/09/socorro-incident-hoax-exposed-or-case.html

It now looks like the report of this sighting being a hoax is itself a hoax. The professor reporting the hoax may be a government shill, friends with Donald Menzel the debunker and Menzel has been listed as a supposed member of MJ-12. The reporter who wrote the story seems not to be trustworthy as an investigator, making the whole hoax much more questionable given the investigation done by Blue Book and Hynek back in 196(4).

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Zamora.html

The Zamora incident began at 5:45 P.M. on April 24, 1964, in Socorro, New Mexico.

Blue book report link:

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Zamorareport.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lonnie_Zamora

"Object speed and acceleration

According to reconstructions of the event from Zamora's account, the time was probably no more than 20 seconds from when the object went to silent operation, rapidly accelerated, and then faded from view near Box Canyon, a distance of about 6 miles (9.7 km). Assuming constant acceleration, these numbers can be used to estimate the object's acceleration, average speed, and final speed. The acceleration would be given by 2d/t^2, where d is the distance of 6 miles (9.7 km) or about 9600 meters, and t is the time of 20 seconds. The final speed would be 2d/t and the average speed d/2. This works out to a final speed of 2160 miles/hour, an average speed of 1080 miles/hour, and an acceleration of 48 meters/sec^2, or almost 5 times Earth gravity of 9.8 meters/sec^2.

These high values rule out many conventional explanations, such as a helicopter or balloon. A high-performance jet aircraft or rocket propulsion could conceivably produce the accelerations and supersonic speeds, but neither forms of propulsion are silent. The Air Force report on the incident also said that they analysed the soil and found no evidence of chemical propellants, as might be expected from a jet or most rocket engines. Further, no contemporary craft was capable of vertical take-off and such high speeds. The oval object described by Zamora also lacked any wings or other external structures that might have provided lift."


Comment..... I'd guess this means it was probably NOT a BALLOON.

"Some debunkers suggested that the affair was a hoax. Harvard astronomer Donald Menzel first suggested that Zamora had been the victim of a complex prank engineered by high school students who "planned the whole business to 'get' Zamora." (Hynek suggested this to some Socorro citizens, who discounted the idea). Years later, Menzel argued that Zamora had misidentified a dust devil.

Journalist, and prominent UFO skeptic, Philip J. Klass first suggested that the Zamora sighting was due to misidentified ball lightning. When this debunking was itself debunked (notably by atmospheric physicist Dr. James E. McDonald), Klass switched gears and suggested the Zamora sighting was part of a scheme Zamora had invented with Socorro's then mayor, Holm Bursum, Jr., to attract tourism, claiming Bursum owned the land where Zamora's encounter occurred. Klass claimed that Bursum hoped Zamora's "fabricated" UFO story would lure tourists to Socorro, and Bursum could then develop the UFO landing site into a tourist attraction. Both Bursum and Zamora consistently denied these accusations as ridiculous, and even after Zamora's sighting gained national publicity the landing site was never developed. In fact, Bursum didn't even own the property as Klass claimed.[18]"

"As of 2009, the landing site reportedly remains much as it was in 1964."

Also, link to the NICAP report of the incident:

http://www.nicap.org/zamora6.htm




Counterpoint at this link:

http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.aspx?id=1397

The author of this article in my opinion lacks the investigative skills to see this for what I think it really is given the Professor being a friend with Menzel and Menzel just happening to come up with the same explanation so many years before, based on nothing but sheer speculation and being a typical USAF Blue Book conclusion.

Garuda
09-03-2012, 07:05 AM
Yeah... I remember the story that it was a hoax turned out to be a hoax itself.

Doc
09-03-2012, 02:51 PM
Zamora was a solid citizen kind of guy, well known and in many ways the ideal witness. That didn't stop jackals like Klass from going after him with wild accusations and armchair research. The debunkers threw all sorts of crap against the wall over the years in hopes that something would stick. I thought it was a hilarious piece of irony when the Zamora Incident craft was alleged to be a scout ship from the first Serpo landing of the Ebens. Had he been living, that would have made Klass' head explode. :biggrin2:

Marvin
09-05-2012, 02:24 PM
Zamora was a solid citizen kind of guy, well known and in many ways the ideal witness. That didn't stop jackals like Klass from going after him with wild accusations and armchair research. The debunkers threw all sorts of crap against the wall over the years in hopes that something would stick.


After 47 years, there aren’t many left from the day of the sighting to defend what they experienced. Anyone can say anything about it these days (and do).

Klass is more than an armchair researcher… there is too much disinformation with him me thinks.

A99
09-06-2012, 12:33 AM
That's very funny Doc! I'm familiar with this case and how Klass went after him like in such a relentless manner, it almost seemed pathological. Yet, at the end of the day he couldn't snuff out Zamora's credibility because if he did manage to do that, we would not be talking about this case today.


Zamora was a solid citizen kind of guy, well known and in many ways the ideal witness. That didn't stop jackals like Klass from going after him with wild accusations and armchair research. The debunkers threw all sorts of crap against the wall over the years in hopes that something would stick. I thought it was a hilarious piece of irony when the Zamora Incident craft was alleged to be a scout ship from the first Serpo landing of the Ebens. Had he been living, that would have made Klass' head explode. :biggrin2: