Human Mutilation

The Bizarre Death of Todd Sees (2002 Northumberland Pennsylvania)

.....................The F.B.I. showed up with in 30 minutes, they took charge, they would not let the wife look at her dead husband, no matter how much she tried. The F.B.I. asked questions around the area, neighbors, mostly farmers, 3 farmers on one farm said they saw a large round bright object, just above the powerlines, at the time of the disappearance, it was silent, it did not move fora! bout 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up and suddenly stopped,a light shined down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up,hesitated again then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight.........

Read More:

http://www.phantomsa...ion-murder.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tobFj...limr6H5o5uWx44

There is also many references to human mutilation in Richard Hall's presentation and cases have been found particularly in Brecon Beacons and Daldby Forest England.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRd4...limr6H5o5uWx44

Human Mutilations are a very sensitive topic.

This is an interesting article on it - BUT - WARNING - CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES!!!
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilat...utilations.htm


Edit, March 2014: The URL has changed.
This is the new one: http://www.think-aboutit.com/human-mutilation/.

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Originally Posted by Garuda

Human Mutilations are a very sensitive topic.

This is an interesting article on it - BUT - WARNING - CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES!!!
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilat...utilations.htm

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To my knowledge these are the only images of a human mutilation case on the web.

I have been researching missing people in the US to see if there could be any connection to the mutilation phenomena generally.

David Paulides has done extensive work in this field and has looked at clusters of regions in the East and West where people have gone missing. His work focuses on national parks and even though he stops short of offering a theory he hints that something unnatural is going on.

As expected little information is forthcoming from the park authorities or local law enforcement.

David has written a number of books and has been host many times on the well known radio talk shows. I have not provided links as the information is easy to find should anyone wish to do so.

This research by it's very nature is only likely to come to a dead end I suppose for two main reasons.

1) The missing are not here to tell their story. According to Paulides some children were later found under strange circumstances but so far little has come to light about what occurred.

2) The cover up by the authorities is likely to be thorough for obvious reasons and so it is likely that only a small amount of information will ever leak out.

Unless anyone has any original ideas.

I now believe that the mutilation phenomena is a wide ranging long term sampling exercise.

To analyse changes in organic life here in preparation for some major ecological change.

Either for the benefit of organic life here, or the benefit of some other race intending to make contact. Either way the sampling is being carried out by ET's.

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Originally Posted by Garuda

Human Mutilations are a very sensitive topic.

This is an interesting article on it - BUT - WARNING - CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES!!!
http://www.think-aboutit.com/mutilat...utilations.htm

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That is quite the article. It says a lot. I'm glad that the pictures didn't display in my browser, I'm sure they were pretty gruesome. I'm using google chrome on windows 8.

Those mutilation cases don't seem like they're done by simply "et scientists", more accurate to call them psychopathic, murderous parasites. The suggestion of laser-like heating/cutting tools employed suggests these predators know what they're doing and have the tools to do it. Doesn't sound like an animalistic beast attack. It sounds more like some strange beings on our planet are interested in specific organs and specific human-body materials. Maybe they find some importance in certain glands they take out? I think they're taking the organs for genetic experiments to grow bodies, like greys. This fits in with a lot of other related reports. I also tend to think that some nonhumans feed on blood, like greys do by soaking it up through their skin.

It'd be nice if some newage 'spacebrother-lovers' type people had the courage to look at material like this and adjust their beliefs accordingly instead of regurgitating channeled information about all aliens being good and all that other nonsense.

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Originally Posted by lycaeus

That is quite the article. It says a lot. I'm glad that the pictures didn't display in my browser, I'm sure they were pretty gruesome. I'm using google chrome on windows 8.

Those mutilation cases don't seem like they're done by simply "et scientists", more accurate to call them psychopathic, murderous parasites. The suggestion of laser-like heating/cutting tools employed suggests these predators know what they're doing and have the tools to do it. Doesn't sound like an animalistic beast attack. It sounds more like some strange beings on our planet are interested in specific organs and specific human-body materials. Maybe they find some importance in certain glands they take out? I think they're taking the organs for genetic experiments to grow bodies, like greys. This fits in with a lot of other related reports. I also tend to think that some nonhumans feed on blood, like greys do by soaking it up through their skin.

It'd be nice if some newage 'spacebrother-lovers' type people had the courage to look at material like this and adjust their beliefs accordingly instead of regurgitating channeled information about all aliens being good and all that other nonsense.

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As I said in the OP, Dalby Forest and Brecon Beacons have according to Richard Hall's sources seen a spate of these attacks. This says straight away that it is no psychopath running loose in the US.

I believe it could be happening all over the place; some bodies are returned and some are not. Are the authorities doing the right thing by covering it all up? On Richard Hall's presentation (see youtube) it mentions how unknown agents have taken away mutilated sheep posing as officials. No body knew how they could have known about the mutilation so quickly.

Someone in the UK is in the know about this. It is possible that local law enforcement are blaze about it and just naively put it all down to satanic ritual or psychopathic murder.

As Garuda said this is a very sensitive topic. On Unexplained mysteries they closed the thread and deleted it. Maybe someoe put pressure on them; I have no idea.

50.000 of the missing persons cases globally should fall in this category. Its more prevalent then we think (based on how much attention it has been given on the media, alternative media).

Most cases are of course in Africa and Asia. For odd reasons, in the Asian countries do little to no investigation on these cases if they find out they bear a recognizable pattern pushing their definition in this category. Mostly they just leave it be. South America is a bit more serious about this and I've heard they even started doing seminars there where they advise and "train" people what to do or how to respond in a situation if they are facing such horrid fate. If I'm not mistaken, the only well known case, the Roswell analog of human mutilation, was also a case that occurred on South American territory. I'm not so sure why North America is so passive about it.

Richard D. Hall is releasing a documentary on Human Mutilation cases.

Here is part 1 (of 6):

http://blip.tv/richplanet/part-1-of-...ver-up-6774077

The page contains the links to the other 5 parts.

I repeat the warning I put up before: GRAPHIC AND DISTURBING VISUAL CONTENT!
The documentary explicitly says it should not be watched by anybody under the age of 18.

Thank you for bringing this documentary to our atention, Garuda. I've just watched the film and found it to be very interesting, certainly controversial subject matter, but well worth watching.

I remember first hearing about 'Group 5 8 Security' back in the late 90's during an interview with Nick Pope on the James Whale show. An individual, almost certainly Derek Gough, had called in to relate the information passed to him by a Special Forces contact. Both James Whale and Nick Pope laughed off the caller and his info at the time, stating that the source was probably bogus. I have to admit that my reaction at the time was exactly that, clearly the caller was aggitated and ernest, but his contact could well have been a Walter Mitty character.

Having now watched Richard Hall's film, I am willing to reconsider. The circumstantial evidence surrounding David Gaugh is quite compeling, and Richard Hall has done an outstanding job tracking down the Military source and verifying his identity. The apparent existance of human mutilation photographs passed to Derek Gough, seen by other individuals including Tony Dodd, adds some weight to the claims in my opinion. It is one thing to fake a story and pose as retired Special Forces, but quite something else to fake eleven graphic and disturbing images of mutilated human beings.

So on balance I am left with the impression that NATO may indeed have employed a special unit tasked with locating and securing, not only UFO crash sites, but Human Mutilation cases too. That both Derek Gough and Richard Hall may have met with a genuine whistleblower and that this individual may well have an incredible and explosive story to tell. Whether the complete story will ever see the light of day remains to be seen.

Hats off to Richard D Hall, Derek Gough, David Cayton and the late Tony Dodd for their work on this subject which is extremely controversial even within the UFO comunity itself as can be seen by Linda Howe's reaction during the film.

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The Bizarre Death of Todd Sees (2002 Northumberland Pennsylvania)

.....................The F.B.I. showed up with in 30 minutes, they took charge, they would not let the wife look at her dead husband, no matter how much she tried. The F.B.I. asked questions around the area, neighbors, mostly farmers, 3 farmers on one farm said they saw a large round bright object, just above the powerlines, at the time of the disappearance, it was silent, it did not move fora! bout 10 to 15 minutes. It suddenly went up and suddenly stopped,a light shined down and something was pulled up into the light. It then went straight up,hesitated again then went west over the Susquehanna River and out of sight.........

Read More:

http://www.phantomsa...ion-murder.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tobFj...limr6H5o5uWx44

There is also many references to human mutilation in Richard Hall's presentation and cases have been found particularly in Brecon Beacons and Daldby Forest England.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFRd4...limr6H5o5uWx44

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First link http://www.phantomsa...ion-murder.html seems dead?

"If you see one, RUN!"
Butch Witkowski - PA MUFON

After viewing those pics, it sounds like good advice to me. :yikes:

Some years ago, there was a discussion - I think it was a private email discussion - about human mutilation cases. There was a consensus that it was virtually impossible to get any information, and that it was covered up even more securely that other UFO-related information. The estimates ranged between 200 and 600 cases over a sixty year period.

When it comes to these mutilation cases, my personal working hypothesis is that there are basically two different types that have an extraterrestrial dimension. The first type would be accidental mutilations in that instead of cattle, people were taken. If the little Greys indeed are programmed bio-robots who can make mistakes, then it is conceivable that they screw up in this way. One of the main reasons I believe this, is because I know of an abductee whose arm was accidentally mutilated by little Greys who screwed up. Taller Ones had to intervene to undo the damage but they weren't entirely successful, and to this day the person has scars.
The second type would be far more sinister and would be intentional. There have been stories about a (very small) group of reptilians who eat human flesh, along with cattle, etc.

This is, without a doubt, one of the most dark and sinister aspects of the alien presence.
It's the work of a minority, but it's real.

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Originally Posted by Garuda

Some years ago, there was a discussion - I think it was a private email discussion - about human mutilation cases. There was a consensus that it was virtually impossible to get any information, and that it was covered up even more securely that other UFO-related information. The estimates ranged between 200 and 600 cases over a sixty year period.

When it comes to these mutilation cases, my personal working hypothesis is that there are basically two different types that have an extraterrestrial dimension. The first type would be accidental mutilations in that instead of cattle, people were taken. If the little Greys indeed are programmed bio-robots who can make mistakes, then it is conceivable that they screw up in this way. One of the main reasons I believe this, is because I know of an abductee whose arm was accidentally mutilated by little Greys who screwed up. Taller Ones had to intervene to undo the damage but they weren't entirely successful, and to this day the person has scars.
The second type would be far more sinister and would be intentional. There have been stories about a (very small) group of reptilians who eat human flesh, along with cattle, etc.

This is, without a doubt, one of the most dark and sinister aspects of the alien presence.
It's the work of a minority, but it's real.

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Thanks for the insight.
The intentional type was all I considered.
Accidental did not occur to me.

Are we totally discounting possibility of human perpetrators?
Seems unlikely but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by calikid

Thanks for the insight.
The intentional type was all I considered.
Accidental did not occur to me.

Are we totally discounting possibility of human perpetrators?
Seems unlikely but not impossible.

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No, we're not discounting the possibility of human perpetrators.
But most - if not all - of the cases discussed in the documentary require the use of advanced technology that is outside of our (official) range at the moment. And that does limit the options.

Re accidental mutilations: I personally believe these would account for the majority. If there really are millions of abductees, worldwide, then it would make sense that there is a statistical error margin that would account for the mutilations cases.

Also, if we were to accept the testimony from Derek Gough's military source, he clearly attributes the mutilation cases to non human entities. He claims to have been present a UFO crash retrieval sites where (presumed) ETs and highly advanced technology were present.

Personally, I wouldn't discount the possibility of accidental mutilations on humans it's certainly a possibility and far more palatable than malicious intent. I am not so sure that food is a motivation in these cases though, mainly because very little, if any, muscle tissue is removed. The focus seems to be small amounts of soft tissue from very specific locations, suggesting to me that perhaps stem cells or possibly bacteria is being harvested.

Re food: I'm referring to the few cases where entire limbs were missing...

It makes "food" slightly more plausible as an explanation in those cases, but it's of course just one of many, many possible explanations.

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Originally Posted by Garuda

Re food: I'm referring to the few cases where entire limbs were missing...

It makes "food" slightly more plausible as an explanation in those cases, but it's of course just one of many, many possible explanations.

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Fair Point, and if we consider that blood seems to be consistently removed in these cases, it is a possibility that this is processed into some kind of food. Unfortunately, given the information we have at present it is indeed impossible to be sure, one way or the other.

On another note, I have to admit I'm puzzled by Linda Howe's reaction to the Brazilian case, Agent Orange really doesn't seem like a logical explanation for excised tissue. Not to mention the question of who would be using it in Brazil on civilian populations during the 1990s.

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Originally Posted by Garuda

Re food: I'm referring to the few cases where entire limbs were missing...

It makes "food" slightly more plausible as an explanation in those cases, but it's of course just one of many, many possible explanations.

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Can't help but wonder if any crash retrieval teams discovered unsavory tidbits in a recovered craft's galley.

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Originally Posted by calikid

Can't help but wonder if any crash retrieval teams discovered unsavory tidbits in a recovered craft's galley.

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Or in the remains of alien bodies at the Seen(s)...

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Originally Posted by epo333

Or in the remains of alien bodies at the Seen(s)...

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Or beyond the scene, at autopsy.
DNA on Stomach contents would be telling..... if "they" have a stomach.

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Can't help but wonder if any crash retrieval teams discovered unsavory tidbits in a recovered craft's galley.

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If you watch the full documentary, Derek Gough's source claims that he did witness human body parts on board downed craft. Bill Cooper made similar claims and a short clip is included too, personally, I'm not convinced that Bill Cooper is credible though.

Any info on the Russian Dyatlov Pass incident?

Watched "Fire In The Sky" rerun on cable last night.
There is a scene on board the alien ship where he wanders/floats into a space where a dismembered human corpse is laying out. Head & torso only,rest was missing.
Knew Walton claimed intrusive medical exam, but don't recall claims of dissection.
I wonder, Is that Hollywood? Or did he actually make such a claim?

Ancient Aliens: ROBOTS
Episode put forth a few interesting concepts.
What if, as ancient alien theorist propose, gray aliens are actually remotely operated (biological) robots.
Sent here by a distant race, to provide a vehicle for telepresence.
One of their functions, to gather the materials needed to replicate themselves.
Could be a few of those materials are harvested during cattle mutilations.
They also spoke of a tie-in with alien abductions, the harvesting of human reproductive materials.
And possibly a machine component, cyborg (my word) if you will.

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Originally Posted by calikid

Ancient Aliens: ROBOTS
Episode put forth a few interesting concepts.
What if, as ancient alien theorist propose, gray aliens are actually remotely operated (biological) robots.
Sent here by a distant race, to provide a vehicle for telepresence.
One of their functions, to gather the materials needed to replicate themselves.
Could be a few of those materials are harvested during cattle mutilations.
They also spoke of a tie-in with alien abductions, the harvesting of human reproductive materials.
And possibly a machine component, cyborg (my word) if you will.

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It's a quite common theory that the little greys would indeed be bio-robots.
That would also explain the diversity among them, with some having hands with finger-like appendices , others having claws, and yet others something that is more reminiscent of tentacles.

I have seen some documentaries on human mutilations. Not good. They are done just like cattle and horse mutilations, and while the person is still alive, just like the animals. Horrific and not good.

Has anyone heard about the nightmares that went on at Dulce?

Most of the links provided in this tread no longer work but 1988 picture of the man from Brazil whose body had been mutilated and was speculated done by UFO aliens because it was similar to animal mutilations, well, you need look no further than us humans.

I did not include the image because it is way too gruesome to post but I am sure many of you have seen it.

Anyone who has worked in the intelligence field who monitored the drug trade has seen this type of mutilation. It is not pretty but it is the standard type killings performed by the Drug Cartels south of our borders in which they have back packed their way into our country.

So don't blame the aliens on this one or at least the UFO aliens.

I thought this was interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC4GKR96m3o

Ricard D Halls film, over 18s only explicit material, hence link only !

UFOs and NATO The Human Mutilation Cover Up FULL FILM.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E_67F87gpk


Fantastic work by Richard D Hall. A must watch!
The phenomenon of animal mutilation is difficult to explain in conventional terms, and has been linked for decades with UFO's, because strange lights are sometimes witnessed in proximity to sites where animal carcases are found. But have human beings suffered similar attacks? This film attempts to answer this very controversial question. Rumours about human mutilation have circulated the UFO community for years with some people claiming to have had contact with a military group which is used to acquire the corpses of victims of human mutilation. In the film we reveal the testimony of a black ops soldier, who was employed by a secret NATO "find and secure" military team. Their job is to search for and then protect sites where human mutilation has taken place. This is the FULL MOVIE.

2015 UPDATE
In 2014 we screened the film "UFO's & NATO - The Human Mutilation Cover Up", which looked at claims of human beings suffering surgical mutilation in connection with UFO activity. We described the detailed disclosures of a former military man who worked on "find and secure" missions in the 1990's. The missions involved securing areas on the ground that had been affected after military engagement with UFO's. He witnessed over 30 mutilated human beings, all of which had similar surgical injuries to those found in animal mutilation cases. Richard met with the military source and gathered further information. Since these meetings he has been searching for evidence to corroborate the claims. In today's show we give a re-cap on the 2014 film and also reveal what part of the military it seems was supplying personnel to special forces for the secret "find and secure" teams.
2015 UPDATE to this film here: http://www.richplanet.net/starship_m...ref=199&part=1