DMT: The Spirit Molecule

[calikid]

Your descriptions sound similar to Peyote Button and/or mescaline "trips".

Mind altering substances for sure.
But going to another realm?
Suspect it is just simply altered perceptions.

Many years ago I read Carlos Castenada's series of books about a Yaqui Shaman that lead him on spiritual journeys, fueled by such psychotropic substances.
You might enjoy the books, probably still in print.

You only get one brain. Playing with brain chemistry can be fun, but is it safe? Who knows for sure?

[Koisoteric]

Your descriptions sound similar to Peyote Button and/or mescaline "trips".

Mind altering substances for sure.
But going to another realm?
Suspect it is just simply altered perceptions.

Many years ago I read Carlos Castenada's series of books about a Yaqui Shaman that lead him on spiritual journeys, fueled by such psychotropic substances.
You might enjoy the books, probably still in print.

You only get one brain. Playing with brain chemistry can be fun, but is it safe? Who knows for sure?

Yes I've read the Carlos Casteneda books some years ago & I enjoyed them greatly

All I can tell you really is I found DMT Very different from any other psychedelics that I've taken including mushrooms, LSD & Peyote Buttons.
It really does feel like a different place!

Ayahuasca is the orally active version (which I've never tried) but I'd like to because the experience is much longer, maybe a comparson can be made with DMT & ayahuasca, but the other drugs as enlightening as those experiences were I felt like I had to wait for toxins to leave my body. With DMT I actually felt cleansed & encouraged to live a cleaner lifestyle! & I wasn't the only one!

Is it safe? well we can never really know 100% but I'm fine with the risk I'm taking which is most prob a lot less risk than smoking tobacco or drinking regularly.
I've read Strassmans book (the Spirit Molecule) & they were taking much higher doses in pure form intravienously... the brain actually craves DMT & is used up very quickly hence the short duration of the experience. it is an endogenous substance meaning it is created in the body.

Strassmans theory is that the Pineal gland naturaly excretes DMT during birth, death & any spiritual experience, enabling the soul to enter & exit the body, & this guy is a scientist

I've encoutered a few sceptical 'psychedelic soilders' before, all of which had never tried DMT... maybe give it a go calikid? you might just be surprised!

[calikid]

I seem to recall a saying from the 60's

LSD is a long strange journey and DMT is like being shot out of a cannon.

Give it a go? Not sure I like the idea of being the cannon ball.
Soaring thru the air might be fun, but the landing gives me pause! haha

[Nighthawk]

Your descriptions sound similar to Peyote Button and/or mescaline "trips".

Mind altering substances for sure.
But going to another realm?
Suspect it is just simply altered perceptions.

Many years ago I read Carlos Castenada's series of books about a Yaqui Shaman that lead him on spiritual journeys, fueled by such psychotropic substances.
You might enjoy the books, probably still in print.

You only get one brain. Playing with brain chemistry can be fun, but is it safe? Who knows for sure?

Calikid,

it sounds absolutely crazy I know but if you experienced it you'd know! (by the way, I'm not saying people should take it, I would but I know I can't and shouldn't so won't )

If an altered perception doesn't mean seeing places, other massively never ending looking spaces filled with lights and beings! An altered perception is like being drunk or something like that, DMT doesn't do any of that, you are you just seeing with your third eye!

You are still in exactly the same frame of mind as are were before you took it but you are seeing into somewhere else honest, why do you think I am going on about it so much?

If you haven't looked into it Calikid you'd like the documentary, the people on there talking are very humble people, you can see it changed their way of thinking.

I'm just trying to gather as many thoughts on it as possible because it is really something else.

[nemo492]

Thanks Koisoteric for your cousin's testimony ! Maybe more some day ?
Some call it Mind expanding substance..

One of Dr Strassman's volunteers said :
"You can still be an atheist until 4mg/kg..." (injection, not smoke).

Source : The Spirit Molecule

BTW, don't anyone worry too much about your precious ego-self,
you'll get it back far too soon when the 10 minutes experience is over.

[Koisoteric]

Thanks Koisoteric for your cousin's testimony ! Maybe more some day ?
Some call it Mind expanding substance..

One of Dr Strassman's volunteers said :
"You can still be an atheist until 4mg/kg..." (injection, not smoke).

Errr my cousin hasn't smoked any (although I keep telling him about it) you are confusing me with Nighhawks cousin

My experiences are my own

I seem to recall a saying from the 60's

LSD is a long strange journey and DMT is like being shot out of a cannon.

Give it a go? Not sure I like the idea of being the cannon ball.
Soaring thru the air might be fun, but the landing gives me pause! haha

I would agree that its not for the fainthearted calikid, if you are predisposed to fear maybe not a good idea, I wouldn't recomend it as a first time psychedelic experience either (although I know several people who's only psychedelic experience was DMT)

[Nighthawk]

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N,N-DMT

COMMON & BRAND NAMES

DMT; Dimitri

EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION
Psychedelic Tryptamine
CHEMICAL NAME
N,N-dimethyltryptamine
DESCRIPTION
DMT is a powerful, visual psychedelic which produces short-acting effects when smoked. It is used orally in combination with an MAOI, as in ayahuasca brews. It is naturally produced in the human body and by many plants.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

DMT Effects by Erowid


DURATION #


DMT Duration
Smoked
Total Duration
6 - 20 mins
Onset
0 - 1 mins
Coming Up
0 - 30 secs
Plateau
3 - 15 mins
Coming Down
3 - 5 mins


After Effects
15 - 60 mins
Hangover / Day After duration_chart_dmt.gif
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EFFECTS LIST #
POSITIVE
short duration
immersive experiences
intense open eye visuals and kaleidescopic patterning
powerful "rushing" of sensation
radical perspective shifting
profound life-changing spiritual experiences
NEUTRAL
change in perception of time
auditory hallucinations / sound distortions (buzzing)
colorshifting (for example red green and gold coloring to the whole world)
NEGATIVE
overly-intense experiences
hard on the lungs to smoke
slight stomach discomfort
difficulty integrating experiences
overwhelming fear
fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)
DESCRIPTION #
"[The feeling of doing DMT] is as though one had been struck by noetic lightning. The ordinary world is almost instantaneously replaced, not only with a hallucination, but a hallucination whose alien character is its utter alienness. Nothing in this world can prepare one for the impressions that fill your mind when you enter the DMT sensorium."
-- Terence McKenna

Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.

CAUTION & DISCLAIMER #
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