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    While my knowledge of the Aviary is that of the readings and excerpts Ive been researching over the past couple hours since your arrival, i would like to play devils advocate. Majestic 12 and the aviary are terms and plans used decades ago. and a completely different time. And probly nothing more will be learned due to less accountablilty during that era. info was a lot harder to spread and a lot easier to destroy, unlike this era. Are you aware of anything going on currently that could compare?
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    As part of my due diligence for getting ready to ask Rick Doty a few questions, I've been looking at early (1980s) public references to Richard C Doty in relation to UFOs (and/or relevant documents/incidents).

    In case it helps others, here is my current draft list of those 1980s public sources [with a few later sources briefly noted, which I'll include as part of a separate list of sources relating to the 1990s onwards when I get the time].

    Below the list of early references, I'll paste my current list of references to discussion of Rick Doty in various UFO books.


    (1) 1981 October – MUFON Journal – Article by Larry Bryant on hoaxes includes discussion of “the Ellsworth Hocument) (page 16). The article refers to the hoaxer as a “he” and states “Perhaps some day he’ll tell all … In the meantime, all we can do is savor the meat, juice and spice of his gem of a put-on”. The article concludes by noting that the ultimate value of the hoax may lie in its contribution “to the sociology/psychology of the hoax phenomenon …”.

    (2) 1982 – TV documentary “The UFO Experience” produced by Ron Lakis refers to Kirtland Air Force Base sighting in 1980, which results in Barry Greenwood making a FOIA request for relevant documents (which name Richard C Doty). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU08pQRTFcs

    (3) 1984 January – MUFON Journal –Article (promoted on the cover) by Bob Pratt on the Ellsworth AFB documents

    (4) 1984 June – FSR (Vol 29 Number 5) - Several references to Doty, in relation to the Kirtland AFB 1980 incident

    (5) 1984 July – MUFON Symposium Proceedings – Paper by Barry Greenwood refers to Doty in relation to Paul Bennewitz

    (6) 1984 – The book “Clear Intent” (1984) by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood discuss Doty and related documents at pages 225-228 of the Spectrum Book softcover edition.

    (7) 1985 March-April - CUFORN-Bulletin Vol06_No02 - “UFO Landing reported at Kirtland AFB” by Bruce Maccabee

    (8) 1985 April - MUFON UFO Journal – “Kirtland Landing” by Bruce Maccabee

    (9) 1985 – Leonard H Stringfield’s Status Report IV includes a section (Section 5) on the Ellsworth document.

    (10) 1987 September Just Cause – Letter from Linda Moulton Howe discusses Doty

    (11) 1987 December – CAUS Bulletin - Letter from Linda Moulton Howe discusses Doty

    (12) 1987 December – MUFON Journal – “MJ-12 Magic Act” by Barry Greenwood refers to Doty near end

    (13) 1988 January – Richard Doty interviewed by Klass – notes in KlasDoty file on Blackphiles1 CD.

    (14) 1988 February - Focus – Relatively long letter by Doty to Bill Moore dated 4 March 1988 published

    (15) 1988 March – Just Cause – Two brief references to Doty in relation to MJ-12

    (16) 1988 March – Letter by Richard Doty – Subsequently published in Just Cause (1988 June), see below

    (17) 1988 July – UFO Universe – Article by Linda Moulton Hoer refers to Doty

    (18) 1989 March – Letter by Richard Doty – File “Doty1” on Blackphiles CD

    (19) 1988 April – Focus – Several references to Doty, particularly in relation to the sale of an “uncut taped interview”

    (20) 1988 June – Just Cause – Various references to Doty, including a copy of his letter dated 3 March 1988 and a copy of Linda Moulton Howe’s affidavit

    (21) 1988 December – Just Cause- Brief reference to Doty as being Falcon on “UFO Cover-Up? Live!” television show

    (22) 1988 CUFORN v9R –Two articles by Lawrence J Fenwick refer to Doty, including one article on the “UFO Cover-UP? Live!” TV show

    (23) 1989 March – Focus - Several references to Doty, mainly in the context of Linda Moulton Howe’s statements

    (24) 1989 April – Letter from Rick Doty to Robert Todd (File “Doty2” on Blackphiles CD)

    (25) 1989 CUFORN v10R – Several references to Doty, including in an interview with Jobn Lear

    (26) 1989 March – Just Cause – Several references to Doty, including in relation to FBI investigation of Doty and Moore regarding MJ-12

    (27) 1989 June – Focus - Several references to Doty, mainly in a copy of Bill Moore’s speech to MUFON Symposium on 1 July 1989

    (28) 1989 June – MUFON Journal – Numerous references to Doty in an article by Robert Hastings. (See also the documents in the enclosures to that article)

    (29) 1989 July – Focus - Several references to Doty, including his “role” in relation to the unpublished novel by Bob Pratt and Bill Moore

    (30) 1989 August – MUFON Journal – Brief references to Doty in an article about the 1989 MUFON Symposium

    (31) 1989 September - MUFON Journal – Brief references to Doty in an article about the MJ-12 documents

    (32) 1989 September – Just Cause – Numerous references to Doty, including in relation to the “UFO Cover-Up? Live!” television show and a copy of the Craig Weitzel letter

    (33) 1989 November – MUFON Journal – Several references to Doty in Part 1 of Bill Moore’s article “UFOs and the Government”

    (34) 1989 December – MUFON Journal – Brief references to Doty and the Ellsworth Humanoid in Part 2 of Bill Moore’s article “UFOs and the Government”

    (35) 1989 December – Focus - Several references to Doty, particularly in Part 3 of Bill Moore’s article “UFOs and the Government”

    (36) 1989 – AIG Report – The MJ12 Aquarius Hoax – numerous references to Doty

    (37) 1990 – “The MJ-12 Document – An Analytical Report” by Bill Moore and Jaime Shandera, includes discussion of the Ellsworth Document, Doty, the Weitzel letter.

    (38) 1997-2001 – Saucer Smear - Several letters about, and by, Doty

    (39) 2005 October – IUR article by Robert Durant on Doty

    (40) 2006 – Team of Five emails in relation to SERPO

    (41) 2006 February – UFO Magazine – Article by Richard Doty

    (42) 2007 – MUFON Journal – Various articles by, and about, Brad Sparks’ MUFON Symposium presentation (at pages 92-159 of the MUFON Symposium Proceedings 2007) on the origins of MJ-12 which refer repeatedly to Doty

    (43) 2007 October 20th – Various references to Doty, including biographical article by Barry Greenwood

    (44) 2009 October – Magonia Issue 34 – Article by Dennis Stacy entitled “Moore and the Military” refers to Doty and related documents.

    (45) 2017 - Interview of Richard Doty by Steven Greer, related to Greer's documentary "Acknowledged", released on Youtube

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    Books containing notable discussions of Richard Doty (other than “Mirage Men” by Mark Pilkington , “The Bennewitz Papers” (1991) by Christa Tilton and Jacques Vallee's Journals) :

    (1) Bishop, Greg in his “Project BETA : The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth” (2005) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) generally, particularly at pages 33-40 (in Chapter 5), 41, 42 (in Chapter 6), 57 (in Chapter 8), 63-66 (in Chapter 9), 68, 69-70 (in Chapter 10), 74-84 (in Chapter 11), 86, 87, 89 (in Chapter 12), 118-120, 125 (in Chapter 16), 145-146 (in Chapter 18), 155-156, 159-161 (in Chapter 20), 169, 172 (in Chapter 21), 177-178, 179, 180, 181 (in Chapter 22), 202-208 (in Chapter 24), 214, 217-218 (in Chapter 25), 226-227 (in Chapter 27), 231 (in the epilogue) of the Paraview Pocket Books softcover edition.

    (2) Clark, Jerome in his “The UFO Book: Encyclopedia of the Extraterrestrial” (1998) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 146-147, 149, 150, 151-153, 154-155, 162-163, 164 (forming part of the entry entitled “Dark Side”) of the Visible Ink Press softcover edition.

    (3) Clark, Jerome in his “The UFO Encyclopedia: The Phenomenon from the Beginning - 2nd edition” (1998) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 314-315, 316, 317 of Volume 1:A-K (forming part of an entry entitled “Dark Side” at pages 301-319)of the Omnigraphics hardback edition.

    (4) Collins, Robert M (with Doty, Richard C and Cooper, Timothy S) in “Exempt From Disclosure” (2006) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 3 (in the Introduction), 7, 8, 10, 11, 12 (in Section 1, Chapter 1), 103 (in Section 2, Chapter 4), 143, 145 (in Section 3, Chapter 2), 178, 180, 182, 183 (in Section 3, Chapter 4) of the Peregrine Communications softcover second edition.

    (5) ?Doty, Richard C? in “Exempt From Disclosure” (2006) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) (by Collins, Robert M (with Doty, Richard C and Cooper, Timothy S)) at pages 62-91 (in Section 2, Chapter 4), 124-126 (in Section 3, Chapter 1), 142-145 (in Section 3, Chapter 2) of the Peregrine Communications softcover second edition.

    (6) Fawcett, Lawrence and Greenwood, Barry “Clear Intent” (1984) at pages 225-228 of the Spectrum Book softcover edition.

    (7) Friedman, Stanton in his “Top Secret – MAJIC” at pages 19-20, 57, 58, 139, 207 of the Marlowe & Company edition.

    (8) Good, Timothy in his “Need To Know : UFOs, the Military and Intelligence” (2006) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at page 336 (in Chapter 22) of the Sidgwick & Jackson hardback edition.

    (9) Hansen, George P in his “The Trickster and the Paranormal” (2001) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 226, 227-237, 458 of the Xlibris softcover edition.

    (10) Howe, Linda Moulton in her “An Alien Harvest” (1989) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 134-137, 143, 144, 145-159 (in Chapter 7), 245-250 (in Appendix 3), 251-257 (in Appendix 4) of the Linda Moulton Howe Productions softcover edition.

    (11) Huyghe, Patrick “Swamp Gas Times” (2001) at pages 98-103 of the Paraview Press softcover edition.

    (12) Lambright, Christian “X Descending” at pages 22, 96, 102, 119, 122, 145, 150, 152-158, 164-185, 196-200, 204-206, 210-213, 225-256, 260, 261 of the softcover edition.

    (13) Peebles, Curtis in his “Watch the Skies!” (1994) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 258-262, 269, 273, 278 (in Chapter 17) of the Smithsonian hardback edition, pages 310-314, 322-323, 328, 333 of the Berkley paperback edition.

    (14) ?Shandera, Jaime H? in “Exempt From Disclosure” (2006) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) (by Collins, Robert M (with Doty, Richard C and Cooper, Timothy S)) at page 103 (in the Addendum to Section 2, Chapter 4) of the Peregrine Communications softcover second edition.

    (15) Vallee, Jacques in his “Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception” (1991) (available on Amazon USA and on Amazon UK) at pages 41-50, 169, 180, 181, 196, 250-251 of the Ballantine Books paperback edition.

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    Isaac, are your questions for Doty's interview on KGRA, November 16?

    From Facebook:

    "Please join Linda and I on Thur Nov 16th as our guest will be Richard Doty, a retired Special Agent who worked for AFOSI, Agent Doty will go into how he was able to review the OSI report on Rendlesham in 1984. One of the things he will talk about is the OSI involvement in the incident as it took place on the first night."
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    Isaac, are your questions for Doty's interview on KGRA, November 16?
    No. Doty is rather active on my Facebook page at the moment, so I plan on asking him questions there or by email. We have some contacts in common. I'm holding back asking many questions until I've re-read my notes and checked some things out.

    (The KGRA interview arose out of a post by Doty on my page).

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    I listened to the interview of Rick Doty
    last night. He said some things about the Rendelsham case that raised red flags for me.

    1) He said that the witnesses were not given drugs for their interview, they were hypnotized - by OSI, not NSA.

    2) Some of the witnesses recalled 1.5 meters Greys walking around.

    3) Some witnesses had missing time.

    He also said that OSI was already observing the base because there were reports of drug transactions on it. This may or may not be true but, if it is true, OSI agents would have seen the UFO.

    I need to listen to it again and take more notes. I'm hoping Race Hobbs will make the archive free to the public.

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