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    Casper, what they currently have in China, with the social scoring should terrify any free society. This is is similar to your FICO score but base on your social media reach and ability to influence others. With big tech demonstrating their ability to censor and silence messaging at will. This becomes an extremely powerful tool in sidelining any potential distribution of critical information. The days of whistle-blowers or sharing controversial information are coming to an end. The sharing of Ring video is just a tracker piece they already have the AI for facial, and vehicle recognition. As for posting anonymously this died years ago, with metadata fingerprints of individual online activity.
    sit on the edge to watch something unfold with a force we cannot control but communicate with

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    Data gathering, facial recognition cameras and so-on are troubling. However data has helped solve crimes, including murder.

    In a society where law enforcement must get a warrant approved by a judge, government tracking and data fishing has limits. There is always concern that we are one national or global crises away from suspending Rights to Privacy.

    Once those Rights are suspended and when promised it is only temporary, it is difficult to undo. Temporary becomes expanded from one, two, three years or more... At what point does temporary suspension of Privacy Rights become permanent?

    It great that crimes are solved... At the same point, we must ensure safeguards and limits are in place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    Data gathering, facial recognition cameras and so-on are troubling. However data has helped solve crimes, including murder.

    In a society where law enforcement must get a warrant approved by a judge, government tracking and data fishing has limits. There is always concern that we are one national or global crises away from suspending Rights to Privacy.

    Once those Rights are suspended and when promised it is only temporary, it is difficult to undo. Temporary becomes expanded from one, two, three years or more... At what point does temporary suspension of Privacy Rights become permanent?

    It great that crimes are solved... At the same point, we must ensure safeguards and limits are in place...
    Pretty hard to enforce with masks?

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    A problem which was solved a fair few years back when China introduced skeletal fingerprinting. Camera systems are able to estimate the positions of the major bones of the body, and the distances involved. Given the majority of skeletons are unique at a certain level of accuracy, it does not matter what your face looks like. I was offered such systems as part of a camera deal able to monitor the temperature of individuals during early 2020, when they were priced at about $15000 NZD. However, they didn't really fit our purposes.
    Last edited by pontificator; 01-01-2021 at 11:22 AM. Reason: keep forgetting 2020 was in the past, time flys...

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    Whitehead: “We Are Building Our Own Electronic Concentration Camps”

    Databit by databit, we are building our own electronic concentration camps.

    With every new smart piece of smart technology we acquire, every new app we download, every new photo or post we share online, we are making it that much easier for the government and its corporate partners to identify, track and eventually round us up.

    Saint or sinner, it doesn’t matter because we’re all being swept up into a massive digital data dragnet that does not distinguish between those who are innocent of wrongdoing, suspects, or criminals.

    This is what it means to live in a suspect society.

    The government’s efforts to round up those who took part in the Capitol riots shows exactly how vulnerable we all are to the menace of a surveillance state that aspires to a God-like awareness of our lives.

    Relying on selfies, social media posts, location data, geotagged photos, facial recognition, surveillance cameras and crowdsourcing, government agents are compiling a massive data trove on anyone and everyone who may have been anywhere in the vicinity of the Capitol on January 6, 2021.

    The amount of digital information is staggering: 15,000 hours of surveillance and body-worn camera footage; 1,600 electronic devices; 270,000 digital media tips; at least 140,000 photos and videos; and about 100,000 location pings for thousands of smartphones.

    And that’s just what we know.

    More than 300 individuals from 40 states have already been charged and another 280 arrested in connection with the events of January 6. As many as 500 others are still being hunted by government agents.

    Also included in this data roundup are individuals who may have had nothing to do with the riots but whose cell phone location data identified them as being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Forget about being innocent until proven guilty.

    In a suspect society such as ours, the burden of proof has been flipped: now, you start off guilty and have to prove your innocence.

    For instance, you didn’t even have to be involved in the Capitol riots to qualify for a visit from the FBI: investigators have reportedly been tracking—and questioning—anyone whose cell phones connected to wi-fi or pinged cell phone towers near the Capitol. One man, who had gone out for a walk with his daughters only to end up stranded near the Capitol crowds, actually had FBI agents show up at his door days later. Using Google Maps, agents were able to pinpoint exactly where they were standing and for how long.

    All of the many creepy, calculating, invasive investigative and surveillance tools the government has acquired over the years are on full display right now in the FBI’s ongoing efforts to bring the rioters to “justice.”

    FBI agents are matching photos with drivers’ license pictures; tracking movements by way of license plate toll readers; and zooming in on physical identifying marks such as moles, scars and tattoos, as well as brands, logos and symbols on clothing and backpacks. They’re poring over hours of security and body camera footage; scouring social media posts; triangulating data from cellphone towers and WiFi signals; layering facial recognition software on top of that; and then cross-referencing footage with public social media posts.

    It’s not just the FBI on the hunt, however.

    “Americans deserve the freedom to choose a life without surveillance and the government regulation that would make that possible. While we continue to believe the sentiment, we fear it may soon be obsolete or irrelevant. We deserve that freedom, but the window to achieve it narrows a little more each day. If we don’t act now, with great urgency, it may very well close for good.”—Charlie Warzel and Stuart A. Thompson, New York Times

    Much more here:
    https://www.technocracy.news/whitehe...tration-camps/

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    epo333,

    Great post to an article!

    It covers a lot: Geo Fence Warrants, Facial Recognition, GPS, Cellphones, Automated License Plate Readers, and more... It brings into perspective how detailed and complex Massive Surveillance is becoming...
    Last edited by CasperParks; 03-23-2021 at 01:54 PM.

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