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    ALCU reports, March 13th 2019: Documents Reveal ICE Using Driver Location Data From Local Police for Deportations. Click here to read article.

    Over the years in this thread, the development and rolling-out of government "license plate readers / scanners" was discussed. It is now a reality...

    The article mentioned that one system "Vigilant contains over Five Billion license plate scans nationwide", and referenced as a " Nationwide Mass-Surveillance Dragnet".

    Illegal immigration, terrorists, and criminals are used to justify "Mass-Surveillance".

    Although H.R.4760 - Securing America's Future Act of 2018 was defeated in 2018, it was tabled for a later vote. More-than-likely it will be rebranded and voted on again.

    The other day, I was at a gas station. Person in front of me was buying cigarettes, and the cashier had to scan his driver license at the register. Was that scan entered into a data base?

    People use electronic debt cards to pay for most everything, creating a record of what was bought. Is a cashless society is on the horizon?

    Food for thought: Drive to church, work, store, doctor's office... GPS within cellphones tracks it. In route to the locations license plate readers scan and record movement. Facial Recognition cameras on the streets, at airports and ports of entry. Cameras at stores, the work place and schools records and tracks people. Tech Giants are recording internet behavior of individuals. Companies are now implanting RFID bio-chips into employees' hands.

    Massive Surveillance is a reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    ALCU reports, March 13th 2019: Documents Reveal ICE Using Driver Location Data From Local Police for Deportations. Click here to read article.

    Over the years in this thread, the development and rolling-out of government "license plate readers / scanners" was discussed. It is now a reality...

    The article mentioned that one system "Vigilant contains over Five Billion license plate scans nationwide", and referenced as a " Nationwide Mass-Surveillance Dragnet".

    Illegal immigration, terrorists, and criminals are used to justify "Mass-Surveillance".

    Although H.R.4760 - Securing America's Future Act of 2018 was defeated in 2018, it was tabled for a later vote. More-than-likely it will be rebranded and voted on again.

    The other day, I was at a gas station. Person in front of me was buying cigarettes, and the cashier had to scan his driver license at the register. Was that scan entered into a data base?

    People use electronic debt cards to pay for most everything, creating a record of what was bought. Is a cashless society is on the horizon?

    Food for thought: Drive to church, work, store, doctor's office... GPS within cellphones tracks it. In route to the locations license plate readers scan and record movement. Facial Recognition cameras on the streets, at airports and ports of entry. Cameras at stores, the work place and schools records and tracks people. Tech Giants are recording internet behavior of individuals. Companies are now implanting RFID bio-chips into employees' hands.

    Massive Surveillance is a reality.
    Our town has Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR) at every major intersection leading into/out of the city.
    "They" know when you arrive/leave town.
    Local PD also has cruisers, with trunk mounted ALPR units, that can drive up and down your street logging info, like what time your car is parked in your driveway, and when it is gone. Some controversy recently about car covers obscuring vehicle's license, interfering with ALPR.

    Interesting that the town buys the equipment, and stores the data into a local police department database.
    There is then some options (agency policy) about IF all the data is voluntarily shared with the manufacturer, or other LEO agencies (like ICE, Sheriff, Highway Patrol, etc.) vs requiring a warrant for specific vehicle information.
    Here in California, each agency is required by state law to publish the policy on their website (compliance currently being monitored/audited).
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    If you're visiting this site for the first time, this is one of many threads worth surfing through. Over the years, there has been a lot of information posted within this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by calikid View Post
    Our town has Automated License Plate Readers (ALPR) at every major intersection leading into/out of the city.
    "They" know when you arrive/leave town.

    Local PD also has cruisers, with trunk mounted ALPR units, that can drive up and down your street logging info, like what time your car is parked in your driveway, and when it is gone. Some controversy recently about car covers obscuring vehicle's license, interfering with ALPR.

    Interesting that the town buys the equipment, and stores the data into a local police department database.

    There is then some options (agency policy) about IF all the data is voluntarily shared with the manufacturer, or other LEO agencies (like ICE, Sheriff, Highway Patrol, etc.) vs requiring a warrant for specific vehicle information.

    Here in California, each agency is required by state law to publish the policy on their website (compliance currently being monitored/audited).
    All the sharing of information regarding individuals, sounds like a marriage between corporations, local, state and federal agencies.

    I wonder how long, if not already that cellphone GPS, Facial Recognition and Automated License Plate Readers databases are interlinked... And or all the information is transmitted to central databases.

    How many local, state and federal governments are subcontracting corporations to process and store data? Then calm; "No the government doesn't own Massive Surveillance Databases" and having full access to it.

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    I have never been a fan of "secret courts" used to approve questionable Law Enforcement investigations. To easy for abuse of power to occur without proper oversight. But in this case I have to wonder if an abuse occurred, or if this is simply a case of punishment for the offense of "Contempt of President". As in, how dare anyone question the integrity of a high official. Almost funny how sensitive politicians become when (IMHO) 'questionable tools like FISA warrants' are pointed in their direction. Maybe some good can come out of it if the entire process ends up under review.

    Lindsey Graham will probe alleged FISA abuses at FBI, calls on Barr to appoint new special counsel

    Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham said Monday that he will probe alleged abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) at the start of the Russia investigation, while calling on Attorney General Bill Barr to appoint a new special counsel to investigate the “other side of the story.”

    Graham, R-S.C., made the comments during a press conference on Capitol Hill following the release of the findings in the Robert Mueller investigation, which did not uncover evidence of a Trump-Russia conspiracy in 2016. Graham and other Trump allies cited the findings to renew scrutiny of the probe's origins at the FBI. The chairman said he'll look into any alleged misconduct related to the Russia investigation on the part of the Justice Department, the FBI and the Democrats, but added that due to “the emotional nature of this” he believes a new appointment is necessary.
    “I’d like to find somebody, like a Mr. Mueller, that can look into what happened with the FISA warrants, the counterintelligence investigation... "
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    NBC News: How facial recognition became a routine policing tool in America. Click here to read article.

    The technology is proliferating amid concerns that it is prone to errors and allows the government to expand surveillance without much oversight.
    A lot of the information within the article is a rehash of what is known regarding law enforcement's usage of Facial Recognition. The article did mention that, very often police are not informing anyone how a suspect was identified. Worth repeating, the technology is making errors with identification of people.

    Aside from government data bases, are they accessing other resources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    NBC News: How facial recognition became a routine policing tool in America. Click here to read article.



    A lot of the information within the article is a rehash of what is known regarding law enforcement's usage of Facial Recognition. The article did mention that, very often police are not informing anyone how a suspect was identified. Worth repeating, the technology is making errors with identification of people.

    Aside from government data bases, are they accessing other resources?
    Figure mug shots. Wanted poster photos. Interpol most wanted. Known terrorist. All in the mix.
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    More gray area would be DMV pics. Passport photos. Anything mandatory NOT associated with criminal activity.
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