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    Hopefully, Trump will eventually close down the CIA, NSA and the FBI (or render them only nominally active) that is... if he manages not to get impeached (framed by a deep-seated agency) or assassinated (by deep-seated agency) before he can somehow pull that off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A99 View Post
    Hopefully, Trump will eventually close down the CIA, NSA and the FBI (or render them only nominally active) that is... if he manages not to get impeached (framed by a deep-seated agency) or assassinated (by deep-seated agency) before he can somehow pull that off.
    Chaos prevails, so anything can happen. If there was ever a time to think outside-the-box on what could be, now's the time.
    I don't see these organizations being closed down anytime soon.
    The problem with that is there are enemies of the state, that we must guard against.

    These organizations have been give extraordinary powers to protect the USA against "bad actors".
    Those powers come with guidelines and limits/oversight.
    While we want to be kept safe, we must be vigilant that such powers are not abused.
    And if said powers are abused, a method of discovery and correction (oversight) needs to be in place.

    Every time a whistle-blower exposes violations, I have to wonder "where was the congressional oversight"?
    IMHO, either oversight committees are not doing their job, or worse, criminal obfuscation is taking place.
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  3. #493
    Seriously, it's very clear that the hackers of those CIA files turned over to Wikileaks are the ones who are in control now. No doubt that the really juicy files are not included in that public release (and whatever they release later) because those ones are saved for whomever they summon to their bargaining table.


    Personally, I can't even wrap my mind around the ramifications about all of this but it's not surprising why our gov't officials and the media are not talking about any of this. I wonder why? lol


    For the avg. citizen, the best we can do is try to figure out what we must do to prepare ourselves for some big changes in our way of life on every level that exists. First and foremost, we need to find out what their agenda is and then take it from there.


    It's human nature to think that everything is sunshine and rainbows and everything will turn out fine. Paranoia, afterall, is for the ones who belong in straitjackets so let's not even go there lest one be labeled as 'one of those ones'. But history shows us very clearly that it's best to err on the side of caution because the risk of being otherwise is simply too great of a risk to take. But only the wise and judicious will choose that path. Everyone else's day of reckoning though won't arrive, until it's too late.

    We think we know who the hackers are but we really don't.
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    With politics, what comes next is disheartening...

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    One theory that's floating around out there wrt the latest Wikileaks release is that the CIA intentionally loosened up the security protocols for those files so that they could be easily accessed by anyone out there who wanted to hack into that agency and then turn those files over to Wikileaks.

    The CIA planned this all along so that they could then accuse Russia as the hackers of that release regardless that the hacker could have even been one of their own and not just some random hacker out that as I just mentioned before in my previous sentence. The CIA's primary motive for doing this, according to this theory, is to justify, at sometime in the near future, reactivating the Cold War against Russia with the objective to be able generate massive opportunities for the military/industrial apparatus to cash in, big time in countless different ways.


    This is the real reason why the CIA has so many issues with this current administrations sentiment to be on more friendly terms with Russia. The CIA doesn't want this at all because they are pushing for another cold war with Russia instead. The media, one example being The Washington Post whose owner has strong CIA connections, has been playing along with the CIA by coming down strong on this current administrations meetings with the Russian Ambassador and so on.


    This current administration is trying to quell the CIA's resistance towards them by asking congress to increase the defense budget to 54 billion which will in turn assuage the military arms/equipment/service industry which is connected to the CIA... both with the agenda to push towards another Cold War with Russia.
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    In a refreshing chance of pace, it is nice to see LEO use their "extraordinary powers" to crack a case of clear foreign Cyber-espionage.
    Only slightly OT - Bravo to the Feds, this time.
    Now, if only they can continue to keep focused on the TRUE bad actors, and leave everyday US citizens OUT of their dragnets.


    Here’s How Russian Agents Hacked 500 Million Yahoo Users
    by Dune Lawrence

    It was June 2013, and U.S. law enforcement thought they were finally getting their hands on a slippery target: Russian hacker Alexsey Belan, indicted in Nevada and California for computer intrusions at three U.S. e-commerce companies, had been arrested in Europe.

    Instead, Belan escaped to Russia, where the U.S. charges didn’t hamper his job prospects. Rather than handing Belan over to the U.S., Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) enlisted the man to help the agency hack into American Internet companies, including Yahoo! Inc.

    The conspiracy, laid out in an indictment in Federal Court in San Francisco, reveals the internal workings of Russia’s state cyber-spying regime, implicated in alleged attempts to influence the U.S. election last year. Increasingly, it’s a system that capitalizes on a vast and talented pool of Russian-speaking cyber criminals, blurring the lines between profit and intelligence gathering.

    "We believe that their technical capabilities are not where they’re purported to be and they’re using criminal hackers," said Jack Bennett, the San Francisco Division Special Agent in Charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s San Francisco office. He spoke at a press conference on Wednesday.

    Besides Belan, the U.S. indicted two FSB officials, Dmitry Dokuchaev and Igor Sushchin, and a second hacker, Karim Baratov, a Kazakh living in Canada. It’s a first for the U.S., which has never before indicted anyone from the FSB for cyber-crimes, said Edward McAndrew, a former federal cybercrime prosecutor and now co-chair of the privacy and data security group at the law firm Ballard Spahr LLP.

    "It obviously comes at a very intense time in our relationship with Russia and its cyber activities," he said. "It also provides the public with fresh insight into the way that nation-state actors are enlisting cyber criminals of all types, from syndicates to lone wolves, to engage in sophisticated cyber campaigns."

    The indictment offers a lot of new information about the hack into Yahoo in 2014 that affected some half a billion accounts.
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    The former President enacts responsible/reasonable safeguards for public privacy protections upon ISPs.
    To bad it didn't last long enough to take effect.


    Congress just killed online privacy rules. Now what? (FAQ)

    Republicans in Congress have repealed the FCC's rules protecting your online data. What's it mean for you? CNET has the answers.


    Obama-era rules designed to regulate how broadband companies handle your private information online are on their way out.

    As of Tuesday, both houses of Congress have voted to repeal regulations adopted last year by the Federal Communications Commission. The next step is a signature from President Donald Trump, who has already signaled he's eager to get rid of the regulation.

    This follows efforts by new FCC Chairman Ajit Pai to put the brakes on stricter requirements on broadband companies to protect your data from hackers. Consumer advocacy groups argue that such rules protect your privacy, while internet service providers say the regulations are too strict and aren't fair because they don't apply to online companies like Facebook or Google.

    So what's all this mean for consumers? CNET has put together this FAQ to help explain.
    What just happened?

    The House of Representatives on Tuesday voted 215-205 to stop FCC regulations from taking effect that would have required broadband and wireless companies to ask your permission before sharing sensitive information about you, such as the websites you visit, the apps you use or even your location. The rules would have also set standards for broadband providers to protect information they collect and store. And they would have set requirements for when and how companies would inform you if your data was stolen.

    The House vote follows a 50-48 vote in the Senate, which invoked the Congressional Review Act. This law gives Congress the power to override regulations adopted by federal agencies before they go into effect.

    Tuesday's vote basically kills rules that the Democrat-led FCC adopted in October. Now that bill will go to Trump to sign.
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    It starts out voluntary, then a condition of employment, a condition for banking, a condition for healthcare and so-on... I am not getting chipped...

    Click here for full article - CBS News reports: Employees get implanted with microchips.

    STOCKHOLM -- The syringe slides in between the thumb and index finger. Then, with a click, a microchip is injected in the employee’s hand. Another “cyborg” is created.

    What could pass for a dystopian vision of the workplace is almost routine at the Swedish startup hub Epicenter. The company offers to implant its workers and startup members with microchips the size of grains of rice that function as swipe cards: to open doors, operate printers, or buy smoothies with a wave of the hand.

    The injections have become so popular that workers at Epicenter hold parties for those willing to get implanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    It starts out voluntary, then a condition of employment, a condition for banking, a condition for healthcare and so-on... I am not getting chipped...
    Sadly, can't remember last time I left home without my ATM or Credit Card. Both have embedded chips.
    Not implanted biologically, but always with me. Maybe I'm already chipped and didn't even know it.
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    They are pushing biochips implants for humans. Couple days ago, CBS news was pushing Biochips at the new norm. Now ABC news does same thing: Click to watch video.

    Below is another video aired on ABC news August 2016

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