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    The FISA requests sound like rubberstamp judges, but at least they have judges. National Security Letters, on the other hand, have no oversight. Even with the public uproar post-Snowden, the seemingly excessive surveillance goes on. Hopefully congress will get motivated one day, and pass a few laws for public rights to privacy. Maybe even sunset a few of the Patriot Act provisions.


    Apple: We just got blitzed by US national security requests

    The US made twice as many data requests to Apple in the last six months of 2016 as it did in the first six months, the company says.
    by Shara Tibken

    The US and other governments around the world needed a lot of help getting data from Apple devices last year.

    The number of national security orders issued to Apple by US law enforcement doubled to about 6,000 in the second half of 2016, compared with the first half of the year, Apple disclosed in its biannual transparency report. Those requests included orders received under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as well as national security letters, the latter of which are issued by the FBI and don't require a judge's sign-off.

    Critics of national security letters, like the Electronic Frontier Foundation, say they "allow the FBI to secretly demand data about ordinary American citizens' private communications and Internet activity without any meaningful oversight or prior judicial review." Companies that receive national security letters are subject to gag orders, which means they can't even disclose they've received such orders -- unless the letters become declassified.

    That's what happened in Apple's case. It disclosed late Monday, as part of its most recent transparency report, that one of the national security orders it received came in the form of a declassified national security letter. It didn't provide any more information about the letter, including when it originally received the order or what the order involved. Other companies have shared more information about the requests when they're declassified.

    Apple on Tuesday declined to comment beyond its transparency report, as did the US Department of Justice.

    National security letters were enabled by the USA Freedom Act, which passed in 2015. As part of the regulations, the FBI has to re-examine past national security letters and decide which can be declassified. Those started being reported by recipients a year ago.

    Apple's not the only company that's received national security letters. Twitter disclosed in January that it received two from the FBI in the last two years that previously came with gag orders not to discuss them. Google, Yahoo and Cloudflare also have published national security letters received from the FBI, some dating back to 2013.
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    Who really owns Apple anyway? Like Google and the media, it's a multinational conglomerate which suggests that it too is embedded into the global military/industrial complex.

    Which ever faction of that complex retains information like data from Apple (inclusive) is still going to use that information for their own purposes which undoubtedly would be to gain more power within that complex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A99 View Post
    Who really owns Apple anyway? Like Google and the media, it's a multinational conglomerate which suggests that it too is embedded into the global military/industrial complex.

    Which ever faction of that complex retains information like data from Apple (inclusive) is still going to use that information for their own purposes which undoubtedly would be to gain more power within that complex.
    I did respect the fight Apple gave the FBI over decrypting the San Bernardino terrorist phone.
    Apple Made some (IMO) valid points about customer privacy.

    Apple did not just roll over and surrender the info, and they expressed a firm resolve to see the matter through in court. You may recall the FBI went another route, and withdrew the request before court date arrived. Kudos to Apple for standing up for their customers.

    This current news piece does show an increase in LEO demands. Be nice to see stricter guidelines for approval on such requests.
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    Apple doesn't care about your privacy... all they care about is profit. I don't think that makes them worthy of anyone's respect especially in the case of the FBI needing to have info about terrorists connections and potential attacks, pedophiles, illicit cigarette trafficking, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, the illegal arms trade, weapons of mass destruction etc... Most Americans share the same sentiment I do on this issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A99 View Post
    Apple doesn't care about your privacy... all they care about is profit. I don't think that makes them worthy of anyone's respect especially in the case of the FBI needing to have info about terrorists connections and potential attacks, pedophiles, illicit cigarette trafficking, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, the illegal arms trade, weapons of mass destruction etc... Most Americans share the same sentiment I do on this issue.
    Apple supplied a well reasoned argument when they stated that breaking encryption for one is the same as breaking it for all. (Any back door established for Police would surely be exploited by hackers).

    Not about who has broken the law, it is about the next "request".
    The government has already been clearly shown to overstep their authority, by the Snowden releases.
    Why would we expect them to show restraint with additional surveillance tools?

    LAw Enforcement has major funding to fight the crimes you listed, and we all wish them success.

    But IMO we must place limits on police powers, or you end up living in a police state.
    You may be willing to surrender civil liberties for a little security, and you are entitled to your opinion.
    I on the other hand, would object to the loss of such hard earned rights.
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    Washington Post reports: How Congress dismantled federal Internet privacy rules, click here for new article.

    [QUOTE]A quote in the new article:

    Trump and the Republicans are doing so many different things on parallel tracks, the news media and activists can’t follow it all. This is by design,” said Trump adviser and Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich[
    This isn't about politics... It is about Conspiracy.

    What's crazy, Gingrich appears as if bragging about their strategy. It is like they don't care if people know, and that no one can stop them.

    It is true, there is so much going-on it is impossible to keep track of it all. Legislation is being undone, and new legislation passed that people know nothing about.

    It feels like they are rushing to get stuff done under the radar before something happens that exposes the 2016 as a fraudulent election... At a later time, they'll blame "Crazy Trump" for whatever was undone and or new laws passed. However, when asked to fix-it: "You know how Washington DC works, cannot get anything done."

    I'm going to continue repeating, "I suspect voting machines that counted paper ballots in Rust Belt States were rigged to flip votes. For every "Y" number of Democrat, Green and Libertarian votes "X" number of votes were flipped to Republican / GOP to ensure they controlled White House, Congress and Senate.

    Here is how it could tie into Surveillance and Police State... For years, they have attempted to pass Legislation that takes away more and more freedoms...

    Example: Obama was immense pressure to halt the sell of military hardware to local police, and preserve privacy and Internet Neutrality.

    Obama halted "The Militarization of Local Police."

    Now, they redid it and allow for "The Militarization of Local Police".

    GOP has ended Privacy Protection and Internet Neutrality.

    Keep in mind, Michigan was roughly 10,700 vote difference.

    Computer scientists from University of Michigan reported an anomaly with voting machines in the Detroit area. They went to Clinton, but were ignored. Hence, they went to Green Party. The Green Party raised enough money to cover the cost of hand recount. However, Michigan (GOP controlled) had an emergency session and changed the percentage a candidate had to have to demand a recount - then made the law retro active. Making a law retro active flies in the face of the US Constitution.

    And Clinton and Democrats did nothing to demand a hand recount... Why?

    Trump and the Republicans are doing so many different things on parallel tracks, the news media and activists can’t follow it all. This is by design,” Trump adviser and Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich
    "By Design"...

    Again, this isn't about politics... It is about Conspiracy.

    Side notation: Recommend watching the documentary Hacking Democracy.
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    This is an outstanding recommendation and I wholeheartedly second it!

    Hacking Democracy (full movie) for free!

    https://youtu.be/6YldIdkjrqM

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    Net Neutrality Is Trump’s Next Target, Administration Says


    The Trump administration served notice on Thursday that its next move to deregulate broadband internet service companies would be to jettison the Obama administration’s net neutrality rules, which were intended to safeguard free expression online.


    The net neutrality rules, approved by the Federal Communications Commission in 2015, aimed to preserve the open internet and ensure that it could not be divided into pay-to-play fast lanes for web and media companies that can afford it and slow lanes for everyone else.


    Supporters of net neutrality have insisted the rules are necessary to protect equal access to content on the internet. Opponents said the rules unfairly subjected broadband internet suppliers like Verizon, AT&T, Comcast and Charter to utility-style regulation.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/30/t...eutrality.html

    PS I'm all for net neutrality

    Overnight Tech: Trump signs cyber order | Net neutrality backers question FCC's cyber attack claims | Twitter CEO calls Trump's tweets 'important'


    TECH REACTS TO THE CYBER ORDER: IBM and CA Technologies issued statements praising President Trump's new order. "The order sends a clear signal that the administration is prioritizing stronger federal network and critical infrastructure cybersecurity and underscoring its vital need," said CA CEO Mike Gregoire in a statement. IBM also lauded the order and noted the executive order's effort to address the cybersecurity skills gap between the number of jobs available in the sector and number of candidates with the necessary skills. The tech firm said that it would be open to working with the government further on cybersecurity matters.

    http://thehill.com/policy/technology...shows-majority
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    Trump's FCC Chair Declares New War on Net Neutrality After 10-Year Battle for Free & Open Internet


    FCC head Ajit Pai has outlined a sweeping plan to dismantle net neutrality rules, which seek to keep the internet open and prevent corporate service providers from blocking access to websites, slowing down content or providing paid fast lanes for internet service. For more, we speak with Craig Aaron, president and CEO of Free Press.


    https://www.democracynow.org/2017/5/...clares_new_war
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    Trump's FCC Chair Declares New War on Net Neutrality After 10-Year Battle for Free & Open Internet

    FCC head Ajit Pai has outlined a sweeping plan to dismantle net neutrality rules, which seek to keep the internet open and prevent corporate service providers from blocking access to websites, slowing down content or providing paid fast lanes for internet service. For more, we speak with Craig Aaron, president and CEO of Free Press.

    https://www.democracynow.org/2017/5/...clares_new_war
    Ending Internet Neutrality is akin to censorship...

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