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  2. #52
    Came across this in the Sep. 08 issue of MUFON. Pretty interesting...

    Book Review . . .
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash

    Reviewed by Nicholas Roesler
    On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River, near the
    Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the
    sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An
    unidentified flying disc traveling at 2700 miles per hour collided
    with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The
    flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the desert below,
    igniting a desperate race by two governments to recover
    technology from beyond the stars…
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash, the first
    of a planned three-book series by authors Noe Torres and
    Ruben Uriarte, tells of the 1974 midair collision of a Cessna
    passenger aircraft, with an as-yet unidentified aerial craft in
    the desert surrounding Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico. The
    Cessna was heading south from El Paso, Texas, en route to
    Mexico City. The pilot of the aircraft, believed to have been
    the only person aboard, was presumed killed. No body was
    ever recovered from the crash site or surrounding area.
    The book was born out of a 2005 television documentary
    on which Ruben Uriarte, spoke extensively on the case. He is
    the State Director for MUFON in Northern California.
    The case involved both the United States and Mexican
    militaries, with the Mexican military’s involvement reaching
    the highest levels, including SEDENA, Mexico’s equivalent to
    the US FBI.
    When one takes into account that militaries from two
    countries were involved, the authors’ accomplishments
    become all the more remarkable.
    The authors had the unenviable task of actively researching and investigating a case that, at the time of publication,
    was over thirty years old. The crash at Coyame is the perfect
    subject for a full-length case study, given the striking parallels drawn by the authors between that case and the 1947
    Roswell incident, as far as the recovery operation by United
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash
    States and Mexican military
    personnel is concerned.
    Faced with a very cold
    case, authors Ruben Uriarte
    and Noe Torres investigated
    every avenue firsthand,
    interviewing witnesses with
    firsthand knowledge of the
    event, including the locals in
    Coyame, Mexican military
    personnel, and others in the
    surrounding area. In this
    respect, the case becomes a
    human interest story. Given
    the nature of the incident
    itself, it is impressive that the
    witnesses speak so candidly
    to the authors about their experiences and impressions
    regarding the incident and subsequent military recovery
    operation.
    While the title Mexico’s Roswell is perhaps a misnomer, it
    is nonetheless apropos in terms of the importance of the
    case. The scope and breadth of this case is every bit as
    worthy of study as its American counterpart.
    The crash of the aircraft itself is only the very beginning
    of the story. The issue then becomes the recovery of debris
    by a joint team consisting of US and Mexican military
    personnel. The authors’ study and detailing of the military
    aspects of this case is first-rate.
    Mexico’s Roswell is well researched, well written, and
    well constructed as a whole. They could have, however,
    offered a bit more detailed background information to readers
    coming to this case cold, or by expanding the entire work in
    a later edition.
    At 220 pages, Mexico’s Roswell is a reasonably quick
    read; the average reader should be able to read it in the span
    of a weekend.
    Torres and Uriarte are to be commended to tackling such
    an important case, whose impact on ufology may just now
    be coming to light thanks to the research they have undertaken. A definite must-read.
    MEXICO’S ROSWELL is the first of a three book series by
    co–authors Ruben Uriarte and Noe Torres. The Authors’
    second work in this series, The Other Roswell: UFO Crash
    on the Texas-Mexico Border, is currently available. This
    book discusses the eyewitness testimony of Colonel Robert
    Willingham, who claims to have chased a UFO across
    Texas, saw it crash to the earth near Del Rio, Texas, and
    later visited the crash site. The title and subject of the
    authors’ third offering has yet to be announced.
    For further information, see: www.RoswellBooks.com
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  3. #53


    I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...
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  4. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora'sParadox View Post
    Came across this in the Sep. 08 issue of MUFON. Pretty interesting...

    Book Review . . .
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash

    Reviewed by Nicholas Roesler
    On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River, near the
    Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the
    sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An
    unidentified flying disc traveling at 2700 miles per hour collided
    with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The
    flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the desert below,
    igniting a desperate race by two governments to recover
    technology from beyond the stars…
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash, the first
    of a planned three-book series by authors Noe Torres and
    Ruben Uriarte, tells of the 1974 midair collision of a Cessna
    passenger aircraft, with an as-yet unidentified aerial craft in
    the desert surrounding Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico. The
    Cessna was heading south from El Paso, Texas, en route to
    Mexico City. The pilot of the aircraft, believed to have been
    the only person aboard, was presumed killed. No body was
    ever recovered from the crash site or surrounding area.
    The book was born out of a 2005 television documentary
    on which Ruben Uriarte, spoke extensively on the case. He is
    the State Director for MUFON in Northern California.
    The case involved both the United States and Mexican
    militaries, with the Mexican military’s involvement reaching
    the highest levels, including SEDENA, Mexico’s equivalent to
    the US FBI.
    When one takes into account that militaries from two
    countries were involved, the authors’ accomplishments
    become all the more remarkable.
    The authors had the unenviable task of actively researching and investigating a case that, at the time of publication,
    was over thirty years old. The crash at Coyame is the perfect
    subject for a full-length case study, given the striking parallels drawn by the authors between that case and the 1947
    Roswell incident, as far as the recovery operation by United
    Mexico’s Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash
    States and Mexican military
    personnel is concerned.
    Faced with a very cold
    case, authors Ruben Uriarte
    and Noe Torres investigated
    every avenue firsthand,
    interviewing witnesses with
    firsthand knowledge of the
    event, including the locals in
    Coyame, Mexican military
    personnel, and others in the
    surrounding area. In this
    respect, the case becomes a
    human interest story. Given
    the nature of the incident
    itself, it is impressive that the
    witnesses speak so candidly
    to the authors about their experiences and impressions
    regarding the incident and subsequent military recovery
    operation.
    While the title Mexico’s Roswell is perhaps a misnomer, it
    is nonetheless apropos in terms of the importance of the
    case. The scope and breadth of this case is every bit as
    worthy of study as its American counterpart.
    The crash of the aircraft itself is only the very beginning
    of the story. The issue then becomes the recovery of debris
    by a joint team consisting of US and Mexican military
    personnel. The authors’ study and detailing of the military
    aspects of this case is first-rate.
    Mexico’s Roswell is well researched, well written, and
    well constructed as a whole. They could have, however,
    offered a bit more detailed background information to readers
    coming to this case cold, or by expanding the entire work in
    a later edition.
    At 220 pages, Mexico’s Roswell is a reasonably quick
    read; the average reader should be able to read it in the span
    of a weekend.
    Torres and Uriarte are to be commended to tackling such
    an important case, whose impact on ufology may just now
    be coming to light thanks to the research they have undertaken. A definite must-read.
    MEXICO’S ROSWELL is the first of a three book series by
    co–authors Ruben Uriarte and Noe Torres. The Authors’
    second work in this series, The Other Roswell: UFO Crash
    on the Texas-Mexico Border, is currently available. This
    book discusses the eyewitness testimony of Colonel Robert
    Willingham, who claims to have chased a UFO across
    Texas, saw it crash to the earth near Del Rio, Texas, and
    later visited the crash site. The title and subject of the
    authors’ third offering has yet to be announced.
    For further information, see: www.RoswellBooks.com
    That is a good book review. Too bad the case is not more recent but it does add to the literature in solid way.

  5. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora'sParadox View Post


    I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...
    That is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen!

  6. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora'sParadox View Post


    I'm glad this hasn't fallen off the books just yet...
    Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless...

  7. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless...
    Right. Unless there is no choice?

    I think there is also a strong possibility that it is a very odd human hired through the byzantine DC influence of politics as it is played in the 21st Century.

  8. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by CasperParks View Post
    Interesting, yet using an alien body guard in public even if disguised risks discovery. Logically it would not make sense - unless...

    I remember coming across the original video of the instance...

    I agree that keeping him in plain sight would have worked...20 yrs ago. With media the way it is, everything is recorded...so a man whipping his head from side to side almost like one of those "dancing cobra's in a jar", would get easily noticed. This sort of went along with Snowdens claims of un-human influences within our government.

    With much (heated) discussion, my final say on the matter was, "I bet they won't let that happen again..." LoL
    But...with this oddly coming back up, you can expect a lot more cameras on the service men from now on.
    Last edited by Pandora'sParadox; 04-11-2014 at 09:12 PM.
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  9. #59

    Lazar the myth debunked!

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora'sParadox View Post
    Lazar has shown proof that he did work for DNI. Hence, his W-2's...and if he is a phony, why sentence his for things he "allegedly" did? O_o
    And...people act like this dept. doesn't exist. There are these kind of dept.'s in every aspect of the military branches. YOU just never hear about it because it doesn't concern civilians...

    (you would figure, being in the air, this would follow under USAF...but the Navy has a lock down on all things intelligent.)

    http://www.menphis75.com/images/stud...ob%20lazar.JPG
    Now, the story is...that Mr. Lazar went and got a blank w-2, then typed it up himself. (why?) to further his claims? Then how did Mr. Lear come up with those home made vhs's with him and bob watching the test flights...?
    ok, say he did make it all up...when was the last time you heard of the government sentencing an individual for "not working there, and no evidence?"
    mmm...the reason i still use bob as a reference, is somethings just can't be overturned just because you can't figure it out. Having talked to him, and questioning his science and credentials...he explains that the "theories" were taught to him and the science was not backed. Simply, "The means do not follow the standard way we think of how science should be." Like someone teaching you to write with your other hand, its possible; just not the norm.
    You can "debunk" people for days, but if you don't actually hunt for yourself, you find your just believing other peoples opinions. Therefor perpetuating the endless trudge of barriers we face today when doing "our kind" of research...
    Sorry, you are wrong. Bob took a pay stub when he was a 'photo processor tech, the date on his fake/washed/retyped W-2 had the WRONG year of employment according to his interviews, videos, and posted diary. Even John Lear has admitted that Lazar only worked at Los Alamos for five days. Yet we're expected to believe he 'dropped' off his resume on the way to fly a Janet flight to Area 51.

    I've worked many Black TS programs in my almost 30 year career in the USAF and DoD. It takes a couple of months to get a new SAP (Special Access Program) even if you have a Top Secret SBI clearance. Yet he 'drops off his resume' on the way to the Top Secret Groom AB and the proven phony Area S-4 at Papoose Dry lake south of Groom? Really? Many military personnel, geologist, and area witnesses have said endlessly, even with satellite overflight high definition pictures that there are NO facilities at Papoose Dry Lake as Lazar claimed.

    Not only that, lying Lazar said there were hanger doors in the mountain side, concrete ramps, a massive asphalt parking lot, an improved asphalt road from Groom to Papoose Dry Lake, and halogen lights around the parking lot and ramps. ALL OF THIS BS has been proved a lie over and over.

    His W-2 has been examined by experts. It was washed, retyped, and retyped with the wrong year, and the employee was the Department of Naval Intelligence. Which hasn't existed since WWII. Under the reorganization of the Army and the creation of the USAF in 1947 by President Truman, the War Department was changed to the Department of Defense. The SUB departments were the Departments of the Navy, Army, Air Force, Coast Guard. From then to NOW the National Security Agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, Homeland Security are all under the DoD.

    QUOTE: "(you would figure, being in the air, this would follow under USAF...but the Navy has a lock down on all things intelligent.)"
    You are so wrong. The National Security Agency, the National Reconnaissance, Space Command, and all forms of crypto/cryptological intelligence is controlled by the NSA, NRO under the US Air Force. Same as the smoke and mirrors deception known as NASA!

    Roger Leir and Gene Huff lied through their teeth to support Lazar, hoping their would be a BIG movie and book deal!

    Lazar has NO PROVEN EDUCATION other than a few courses at Pierce Junior College. Yes, he is a self educated science hack who has interesting hobbies.

    The military tracks and documents everything you do all the time! Every hour of your training, every hour of your schools, your annual reviews, your temporary and permanent duty assignments, who your chain of commend is/was, all awards, decorations, and citations, every base you were at, every Special Access Program you were granted access to, all classified documents you had access to, your SBI (Special Background Investigation and when it was done, your prior education before you had a clearance, interviews with your family, co-workers, friends, and former Professors and schooling.

    And to get a clearance of Top Secret, with a specific SAP at Groom, regardless of your job would have taken a minimum of ONE YEAR! Yes even back then.

    A further point is that on Lazar's FAKED W-2 he says the OMB number on the W-2 is classified. Look it up, the Office of Management and Budget number is nothing more than a document (form) number.

    If that weren't enough proof of a total fraud, Lazar puts 'E-6722MAJ' on the W-2. Yes lets put the most private and protected and secret group in the world on someone's W-2 which is public information if you want to file a request. Really, people like Lazar, Burisch, Sherman, etc., are the reason professional researchers and scientists, shy away from UFO research. Who am I? How do I know?
    Post #19
    http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/s...Released/page2

    A debunking that I, Edgar Fouche, and Bigpappy51 (Danny) and I researched for Alienscientist/Jeremy Rys.

  10. #60
    For the first video the light is a big deal. The explanation is that the light is dim because they are sensitive to light. However the light that does exist is not where it would be preferable to the being, such as above him, it's in fact in front of him shining right into his eyes. If you look at the top of the aliens head there is a shadow up there because the light is being cast from the camera side of the room and shining right on the aliens face. You can even see the light source reflecting right off the beings eyes. Secondly they shine flash lights directly into the beings eyes like they are checking them for dilated pupils. It also makes me wonder what the purpose of the video is, the only thing that really happens in it is they ruffie the poor creature and then start harvesting the drool...its very bizarre.

    If it were real the best explanation for why the room was dim would be because the creature is sensitive to light, but it's clear from the positioning and usage of the ambient light and flash lights that they don't care about this condition of the alien. I think it's fake, because the only good explanation for why the light would be dim is not exemplified in the video itself. Another thought is instead of making a video in the dark, why not give him sunglasses. Not only would it be awesome, you wouldn't have to work in the dark.
    Last edited by Sansanoy; 02-16-2016 at 01:22 PM.

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