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    Robert Morningstar was kind enough to dust off an article he wrote on this subject and forward it to the OutPost for publishing:

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    The FBI’s October 1947 “Flying Disk” Memo
    Regarding General George F. Schulgen’s Report:
    “Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aircraft”
    By Robert D. Morningstar
    On October 30th, 1947, Brigadier General George F. Schulgen, Chief Air Intelligence Requirements Division, Office of Assistant Air Staff-2 wrote an extensive directive on Flying Saucer type aircraft sightings for wide distribution throughout US Air Force bases around the world, outlining in detail the intelligence needs of the USAF entitled:
    “Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer type Aircraft”
    On October 7th, 1947 the following FBI report was written and submitted by S.A. EG. Fitch to David .M. Ladd (Assistant Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,) recounting General Schulgen’s views on “Flying Disks” and the intelligence requirements of the US Air Force.
    It is clear from General Schulgen’s October 30, 1947 assessment of the situation, primarily directed to the immediate attention of the Planning and Collections Branch, the USAF was leaning toward and German-Russian origin to Flying Disks, citing the Horton VIII, the Horten IX and the Gotha Go-89229 and P-60 “Night Fighter” jet propelled aircraft..
    Curiously, General Schulgen’s is what I would describe as a strictly “nuts and bolts” memorandum. No hint is given at all of the Roswell UFO Crash, with no mention of the recovery of the “lenticular” and “aerodyne” vehicle mentioned in the Twining Memos (White Hot & IPU CIG Reports on the Roswell UFO/alien bodies recovered, nor is there any mention of the presence of aliens or extraterrestrials.
    As such, it may well be that this concentration on the search for mundane UFO explanations was the 2nd “USAF CIC (Counter Intelligence) UFO Cover Story” in USAF history, intended to distract attention from the Roswell Weather Balloon farce of July, which had not yet faded from public memory by Halloween, 1947. Americans still sensed that something “spooky” was going on with “Flying Saucers.”
    The American public was not satisfied with the official denial of what was plainly flying before their eyes across the world and over the United States with impunity from coast to coast, from northwest to southeast. Flying Saucers were being seen around the world and the distribution list for General Schulgen’s “Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aircraft” shows how vast and global was the already known range of Flying Saucers, but who manufactured and was operating such amazing aerospace craft in 1947 was still a worldwide mystery.
    For the time being, the Russians would provide a convenient suspect, as well as a credible “fall guy” to help cover-up the Alien Presence that was uncovered at Roswell. Below is the (partial) “Distribution list” of General Schulgen’s “Intelligence Requirements” of October 30th, 1947.
    “Distribution to:
    !. MA’s in England, France, Sweden, Finland, USSR, Turkey, Greece, Iran, China, Norway, Philippines and to the Commander-in-Chief, Far East *, and Commanding General of United States Air Forces in Europe, through Commanding General, EUCOM. (Stamped ) SECRET.”
    ˇ Editor’s Note:
    Commander in Chief, Far East was General Douglas MacArthur
    Below is a transcript of a report by SA E. G. Fitch to D. M. Ladd, Assistant Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, written in regard to General George F. Schulgen’s views and Air Force intelligence requirements on Flying Disks Revealing Secret UFO, revealing direct dealings and discussions at the highest levels between US Air Force General George F. Schulgen and the Federal Bureau of Investigation


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    Brigadier General George F. Schulgen, U.S.A.F.
    Transcript of FBI’s October 1947 “Flying Disk” Memo
    TO: D. M. LADD
    DATE: 7/10/47
    FROM: E. G. Fitch

    At request of Brigadier General George F. Schulgen, Chief of the Requirements Intelligence Branch of Army Air Corps Intelligence, Special Agent __ discussed the above captioned matter with him on July 9, 1947. General Schulgen indicated to __ that the Air Corps has taken the attitude that every effort must be undertaken in order to run down and ascertain whether or not the flying disks are a fact and, if so, to learn all about them. According to General Schulgen, the Air Corps Intelligence are utilizing all of their scientists in order to ascertain whether or not such a phenomenon could in fact occur. He stated that this research is being conducted with the thought that the flying objects might be a celestial phenomenon and with the view that they might be a foreign body mechanically devised and controlled.
    General Schulgen also indicated to __ that all Air Corps installations have been alerted to run out each reported sighting to obtain all possible data to assist in this research project. In passing, General Schulgen stated that an Air Corps pilot who believed that he saw one of these objects was thoroughly interrogated by General Schulgen and scientists, as well as a psychologist, and the pilot was adamant in his claim that he saw a flying disk.
    General Schulgen advised __ that the possibility exists that the first reported sightings of the so-called flying disks were fallacious and prompted by individuals seeking personal publicity, or were reported for political reasons. He stated that if this was so, subsequent sightings might be the result of a mass hysteria. He pointed out that the thought exists that the first reported sightings might have been by individuals of Communist sympathies with the view to causing hysteria and fear of a secret Russian weapon.
    General Schulgen indicated to __ that he is desirous of having all the angles covered in this matter. He stated that reports of his scientists and findings of the various Air Corps installations will be available in his office. He advised that to complete the picture he desired the assistance of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in locating and questioning the individuals who first sighted the so-called flying disks in order to ascertain whether or not they are sincere in their statements that they saw these disks, or whether their statements were prompted by personal desire for publicity or political reasons. General Schulgen assured __ that there are no War Department or Navy Department research projects presently being conducted which could in any way be tied up with the flying disks. General Schulgen indicated to __ that if the Bureau would cooperate with him in this matter, he would offer all the facilities of his office as to results obtained in the effort to identify and run down this matter.
    __ advised General Schulgen that his request would be made known to the Bureau and an answer made available to him as soon as possible.
    __ also discussed this matter with __ of __ __ indicated that it was his attitude that inasmuch as it has been established that the flying disks are not the result of any Army or Navy experiments, the matter is of interest to the FBI. He stated that he was of the opinion that the Bureau, if at all possible, should accede to General Schulgen's request...
    Shortly thereafter, a detailed directive (a preliminary “MOU”) went out from the top echelons of the Federal Bureau of Investigations in Washington, DC to FBI field offices around the nation.
    “You should investigate each instance, which is brought to your attention of a sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether or not it is a bona fide sighting, an imaginary one or a prank. You should also bear in mind that individuals might report seeing flying discs for various reasons. It is conceivable that an individual might be desirous of seeking personal publicity, causing hysteria, or playing a prank.
    The Bureau should be notified immediately by teletype of all reported sightings and the results of your inquiries. In instances where the report appears to have merit, the teletype should be followed by a letter to the Bureau containing in detail the results of your inquiries. The Army Air Forces have assured the Bureau complete cooperating in these matters and in any instances where they fail to make information available to you or make the recovered discs available for your examination, it should promptly be brought to the attention of the Bureau.
    Any information you develop in connection with these discs should be promptly brought to the attention of the Army through your usual liaison channels. “ <Bold emphasis mine – Ed.>
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    Twining Memo to Schulgen:
    SUBJECT: AMC Opinion Concerning "Flying Discs"
    TO: Commanding General
    Army Air Force
    Washington 25, D.C.
    ATTENTION: Brig. General George Schulgen
    1. As requested by AC/AS-2 there is presented below the considered opinion of this command concerning the so-called "Flying Discs." This opinion is based on interrogation report data furnished by AC/AS-2 and preliminary studies by personnel of T-2 and Aircraft Laboratory, Engineering Division T-3. This opinion was arrived at in a conference between personnel from the Air Institute of Technology, Intelligence T-2, Office, Chief of Engineering Division, and the Aircraft, Power Plant and Propeller Laboratories of Engineering Division T-3.
    2. It is the opinion that:
    a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious.
    b. There are objects probably approximating the shape of a disc, of such appreciable size as to appear to be as large as man-made aircraft.
    c. There is a possibility that some of the incidents may be caused by natural phenomena, such as meteors.
    d. The reported operating characteristics such as extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar, lend belief to the possibility that some of the objects are controlled either manually, automatically or remotely.
    e. The apparent common description is as follows:-
    (1) Metallic or light reflecting surface.
    (2) Absence of trail, except in a few instances where the object apparently was operating under high performance conditions.
    (3) Circular or elliptical in shape, flat on bottom and domed on top.
    (4) Several reports of well kept formation flights varying from three to nine objects.
    (5) Normally no associated sound, except in three instances a substantial rumbling roar was noted.
    (6) Level flight speeds normally above 300 knots are estimated.
    f. It is possible within the present U.S. knowledge -- provided extensive detailed development is undertaken -- to construct a piloted aircraft which has the general description of the object in sub- paragraph (e) above which would be capable of an approximate range of 7000 miles at subsonic speeds.
    g. Any development in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, time consuming and at the considerable expense of current projects and therefore, if directed, should be set up independently of existing projects.
    h. Due consideration must be given the following:-
    (1) The possibility that these objects are of domestic origin - the product of some high security project not known to AC/AS-2 or this Command.
    (2) The lack of physical evidence in the shape of crash recovered exhibits which would undeniably prove the existence of these subjects.
    (3) The possibility that some foreign nation has a form of propulsion possibly nuclear, which is outside of our domestic knowledge.
    3. It is recommended that:
    a. Headquarters, Army Air Forces issue a directive assigning a priority, security classification and Code name for a detailed study of this matter to include the preparation of complete sets of all available and pertinent data which will then be made available to the Army, Navy, Atomic Energy Commission, JRDB, the Air Force Scientific Advisory Group, NACA, and the RAND and NEPA projects for comments and recommendations, with a preliminary report to be forwarded within 15 days of receipt of the data and a detailed report thereafter every 30 days as the investigation develops. A complete interchange of data should be affected.
    4. Awaiting a specific directive AMC will continue the investigation within its current resources in order to more closely define the nature of the phenomenon. Detailed Essential Elements of Information will be formulated immediately for transmittal thru channels.

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    Cheers, Doc! Please thank Robert Morningstar for us too.

    It does give a very interesting historical perspective of the phenomenon, as Bob says, very 'Nuts and Bolts'. Which is something researchers often seem to forget these days, especially the sceptics.


    As an aside, I've filed an FOIA with the CIA for a copy of the Marilyn/wiretap Information Report. Unlike previous FOI requests I've filed, the response will be via post, so I definitely won't be holding my breath. I'll share the response here if/when it arrives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    Cheers, Doc! Please thank Robert Morningstar for us too.

    It does give a very interesting historical perspective of the phenomenon, as Bob says, very 'Nuts and Bolts'. Which is something researchers often seem to forget these days, especially the sceptics.


    As an aside, I've filed an FOIA with the CIA for a copy of the Marilyn/wiretap Information Report. Unlike previous FOI requests I've filed, the response will be via post, so I definitely won't be holding my breath. I'll share the response here if/when it arrives.
    Robert Morningstar really has gone the extra mile to find resources to add to this discussion! The more I get to know the guy, the more there is to like about him. He's a good friend to The OutPost Forum and I'm happy to make sure our members and readers know it! Robert is the editor of UFO Digest ( and has his own widely read email newsletter, similar to Victor's List.

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    2. It is the opinion that:
    a. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious

    Excerpt taken from the Twining Memo to Schulgen. When I read this, I had to stop for a moment and digest the significance of that one statement. Here we have two of the top Military personnel of that era, conversing on UFO's and saying this is something that is real and we should be concerned. WOW! I don't know what else to say but thanks to all who have contributed to this wonderful thread. Keep it coming
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    There are 14 years of Jackie Kennedy's personal letters to an Irish priest, going to auction next month. According to some articles, some of the letters include her suspicions that JFK was cheating on her. I wonder if any of the letters mention Marilyn Monroe.

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    Thanks, Lily! Could make for some interesting reading. I wonderd if JFK shared any UFO related pillow talk with his wife, or maybe just his mistress...?
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    EXCLUSIVE - Bobby Kennedy ordered Marilyn Monroe's murder by lethal injection to prevent her from revealing her torrid affairs with RFK and JFK: New book sensationally claims to have finally solved the mystery surrounding her death

    • Investigative journalists Jay Margolis and Richard Buskin believe they they lay to rest any notion that Marilyn committed suicide, and reveal how they think the screen goddess really died
    • The Kennedy brothers were ‘passing her around like a football,' revealed brother-in-law, actor Peter Lawford, years after she died
    • Marilyn knew too much about the Kennedys and threatened to reveal everything
    • Bobby Kennedy did not act alone, the authors claim. Complicit in the murder was Lawford and Marilyn's shrink, who gave her the fatal dose of pentobarbitol
    • Before that, she was given an enema filled with broken-down Nembutals and seventeen chloral hydrates
    • When ambulance drivers found her in her Brentwood guest house, 'She was naked. She had no sheet, no blanket. There was no water glass. No alcohol…'

    By Caroline Howe
    Published: 13:50 EST, 16 May 2014 | Updated: 16:00 EST, 16 May 2014

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    Very interesting article. I have the same info about drugs administered via enema in my article, as unlikely as it seems that's what the autopsy report strongly suggests. This might also explain why Eunice Murray was washing sheets at 4:00 am.

    Same goes for RFK's involvement, he was there twice that day along with two other men and bugging techs heard a distressed MM being subdued by them right before she was discovered dead. Again, Eunice Murray confessed later in her life that she was involved in a cover up and named RFK.

    I also came across the info about her physiatrist injecting her directly into the heart, but there is nothing in the autopsy to support that. Morticians state very strongly that there was no needle marks on her body.

    It looks like the authors chose to reject the CIA wiretap document, which is a shame, because if it's genuine the finger would be pointed at MJ-12 and the UFO cover up rather than the CIA or directly at RFK, even though evidence shows that he was present. My thought is that he was there to calm her and attempt to retrieve the Diary.
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