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    The April 10, 1963 (according to official reports), The Thresher, under the command of Lieutenant Commander John W. Harvey, USN, with a total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and observers) disappeared without explanation .

    OR JUST A TRACE or clue as to the fate of the boat or its occupants were ever recovered: no oil slicks, no radiation, no floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were found were never seen. Interestingly, almost all the reports at the time indicated that the ship had "disappeared" or "lost", not "sunk". A woman whose husband was in the unfortunate ship reported her belief that her husband was still alive.

    Theologically speaking, the possibility of a long-distance connection or "communion" on a deep, emotional level between a husband and wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or "psychic" phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual nature of the union of a husband and wife after the consummation of a marriage become, according to Christian teaching "one flesh".

    The words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and Jeannie Joy - two writers devoted to pursuing strange events - shortly after the Thresher incident, were as follows:
    "My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I do not consider myself a widow. I do not think my husband is dead. No, it's not a matter of simply not being able to believe it, to accept reality is that just can not get over the conviction that he is still alive somewhere. I love my husband very much. I know he loved - loves me. We were very close. We always knew when something was happening we any of us. Intuition, I guess. I should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really in trouble and he knew it - a matter of life or death, but I did not feel it. "

    "What do you think really happened," Carson and Joy asked the attractive young woman.

    "Most people think I'm crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher was captured."

    "By whom?"

    "I can not say for sure, but it WAS a Russian submarine spotted near there that day (ie, near where REPORTED disappeared, 220 miles from Boston harbor) - only I can not imagine how even the Russians could CAPTURE a boat like the Thresher without leaving the slightest evidence. "
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    A ship in an underground facility?... I wonder if the chamber can be filled with water to float this baby, and if so where would this ship go?
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    Underwater caves, these divers are really brave...
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    These cave kind of look manmade, but it might just be my imagination running with the ball
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    Quote Originally Posted by WildMage View Post
    The April 10, 1963 (according to official reports), The Thresher, under the command of Lieutenant Commander John W. Harvey, USN, with a total of 129 men (comprised of the crew, civilian technicians, and observers) disappeared without explanation .

    OR JUST A TRACE or clue as to the fate of the boat or its occupants were ever recovered: no oil slicks, no radiation, no floating debris, or similar signs of wreckage were found were never seen. Interestingly, almost all the reports at the time indicated that the ship had "disappeared" or "lost", not "sunk". A woman whose husband was in the unfortunate ship reported her belief that her husband was still alive.

    Theologically speaking, the possibility of a long-distance connection or "communion" on a deep, emotional level between a husband and wife should not necessarily be consigned to the realm of the occult or "psychic" phenomena. Many religions believe that the very spiritual nature of the union of a husband and wife after the consummation of a marriage become, according to Christian teaching "one flesh".

    The words of this woman, who was interviewed by Will Carson and Jeannie Joy - two writers devoted to pursuing strange events - shortly after the Thresher incident, were as follows:
    "My husband was on the submarine Thresher when it disappeared. I do not consider myself a widow. I do not think my husband is dead. No, it's not a matter of simply not being able to believe it, to accept reality is that just can not get over the conviction that he is still alive somewhere. I love my husband very much. I know he loved - loves me. We were very close. We always knew when something was happening we any of us. Intuition, I guess. I should have felt something the instant there was trouble, if he was really in trouble and he knew it - a matter of life or death, but I did not feel it. "

    "What do you think really happened," Carson and Joy asked the attractive young woman.

    "Most people think I'm crazy when I say this, but I believe the Thresher was captured."

    "By whom?"

    "I can not say for sure, but it WAS a Russian submarine spotted near there that day (ie, near where REPORTED disappeared, 220 miles from Boston harbor) - only I can not imagine how even the Russians could CAPTURE a boat like the Thresher without leaving the slightest evidence. "
    WTF. Of all the speculation posted here on the forum, this is beyond wrong. The Thresher sank right below it's escort ship. Thresher sank in radio contact with the escort ship, sonar heard it's breakup which was nearly instant with water at 2400 mph in a tenth of a second according to an article in Navy Times. Photos of the wreckage are available. Clearly the sources used as reference for this post on Thresher not being found are wrong.

    http://www.navytimes.com/article/201...-sank-Thresher

    http://www.nationalgeographic.com/k1...s_detail2.html

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Thresher_(SSN-593)

    Note: The Wikipedia page goes on the hypothesis of a water system failure, but the article in the Navy Times makes for compelling testimony otherwise. In any case the accident forced the Navy to change it's reactor operations to recover from shutdowns at critical times.
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    Something has been sending signals from off the coast of Sweden. Many think it is a Russian submarine but Russia denies that any are missing. As far as I know, the source still hasn't been found. Where is it?

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/20..._r=0&referrer=
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    WildMage: Thanks for posting the Panamint and Hav-Musuv information, which is what I was referring to back then. It is the entrance to the Hav-Musuv tunnel/cavern that is rumored to be in the Southern Panamints. I had made a couple of "surveys" of the area to get oriented for a serious effort to see if it could be found. The first time we went out there we ran into a Jeep club that was coming out of the canyon entrance--they were turning back because the road which used to be maintained had become impassible through floods and neglect due to lack of funding. As a result I went and bought Jeep that wouldn't have to turn back from anything in the desert--then my health took a dive and I had to put my plan for exploration on hold.

    (BTW, the Thresher is not the submarine in the story. The Russian K129 was the object of the Glomar Explorer search. There is a mention of which US Submarine went through the subterranean passage to the Panamints and I will find it. I don't recall the submarine being lost as part of the story.)

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    I do recall, seeing a special on how Howard Hughes recover the submarine. Some scheme about mining the seafloor. Howard Hughes was in the middle of a lot things back then.

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    San Bernardino Caves

    Kokoweef Caverns
    SWORN STATEMENT OF E. P. DORR.

    Below you will find a transcription of the sworn statement made by Earl Dorr as it pertained to Kokoweef Caverns. This was published in the California Mining Journal, November 1940, though written in 1934.

    It is speculated that Earl was attempting to get capital at the time for his projects in the area.

    TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

    This is to certify that there is located in San Bernardino County, California, about two hundred and fifty miles from Los Angeles, a certain cave.

    Traveling over state highways by automobile, the cave is reached in about ten hours.

    A Civil Engineer, Mr. Morton, and I spent four days exploring the cave for more than eight miles. We carried with us Altimeters, Pedometers, and a Theodolite, with which to observe and record actual directions, take elevations and measurements by triangulation. Our exploration revealed the following facts:

    1. From the mouth of the cave we descended as shown by the Altimeters to be about 2000 feet, where we encountered a canyon, which from the Altimeters and by calculations we found to be from 3000 to 3500 feet deeper; making total depth of 5400 feet from the mouth where we entered the caves to the floor of the canyon.

    2. We found the cave divided into many caverns or chambers, of various sizes, all filled and embellished with Stalactites and Stalagmites, besides many grotesque and fantastic shapes that make these caves one of the wonders of the world.


    3. The largest chamber we explored is about 300 ft. wide, 400 feet long and from 50 to 110 feet high. It is encrusted with crystals, fashioned into festoons of innumerable Stalactites, that hang from the ceiling, some of which are extremely large.

    One, the largest seen, is 27 feet in diameter and hangs 1510 feet down into a 3000 ft. canyon. This great Stalactite is perpetually washed by water flowing down over it and falling into the dark canyon depths. The huge glistening white crystal is 500 feet longer than the Eiffel Tower, and challenged us with amazement and wonder.

    4. There is a flowing river on the floor of the canyon, which rises and falls with tidal regularity. All measurements and estimates of the river, including its tides and beach sands were reckoned by triangulation, taken with the Theodolite, and while we did not reach the river, nevertheless, taking observations with our theodolite and its telescope, we reckoned the river to be about 300 feet wide at high tide and 10 feet wide at low tide. It rises and falls from 7 ? to 8 feet. The Peysert brothers confirm our reckoning.

    5. When the tide is out, there is exposed on both sides of the river from 100 to 159 feet of black sand, which the Peysert brothers report is very rich in placer gold. They report the sands on the river shore to be from 4 to 11 feet deep; and on an average about 8 feet deep.

    6. There are numerous ledges above the canyon that are from 10 to 40 feet wide and covered with sand. We personally explored the ledge sands for a distance of more than eight miles, finding little variation in the depth and width of these ledge sands. And wherever examined,the ledge sands are found to be fabulously rich in placergold.

    7. I have known intimately Oliver, Buck and George Peysert From my boyhood. I have discussed these caves with them repeatedly and thoroughly. They have reported to me in detail, their experience in exploring the caves.

    One of them, George, lost his life in the cave. Buck and Oliver say George was killed by diving in the river on the floor of the canyon.

    He struck an unseen rock, which killed him instantly. They have reported to me repeatedly their mining experiences and say they mined on the beach sands of the river a total in all of six weeks.

    They carried lumber down to the river and constructed a sluice box and, using a pump, the three mined for six weeks, during which time they recovered more than %57,000 in gold, (gold at $20.00 per ounce); they sent their gold directly to the U.S. Mint and banked the returns in a bank in Needles, California, and another bank in Las Vegas, Nevada.

    I last talked to them in my home about November 10th 1934, at which time they repeated their former statements, giving information as to how they discovered the river, and more of their experiences in gold mining. They recovered several of the largest nuggets of gold ever found in California.

    Both Mr. Morton and myself filled our pockets with the sands from the ledges, carried it out and had it assayed. Just what Mr. Morton's sand assayed, I do not know, but it was approximately $2000. per ton.

    I carried out ten pounds and two ounces of the ledge sand, and panned seven pounds, recovering more than $7.00 in gold, with gold at $20.00 an ounce. I sold the gold for $18.00 per ounce.

    The balance of my ten pounds of sand I sent to John Herman, a Los Angeles Assayer. His assay certificate shows a value of $2,144.47 per yard - gold at $20.67 per ounce.

    I, E. P. DORR residing at 300 Aldena Street, Pasadena California make the foregoing statements for the purpose of inducing investors to invest in the work of mining the gold in these caves, and solemnly swear that all statements made hereinabove are true and that all persons will find the physical conditions in the cave as above stated.

    SUBSCRIBED and sworn to this ___day of December, 1934.

    Source:E Adventure Net <-- http://www.e-adventure.net/land/caving/epdorr.html / or / --OOPARTS: http://www.s8int.com/giants9.html

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    Devil's Hole

    Devil's Hole is a 10 x 20 meter limestone sinkhole in the upper end of Death Valley National Park. It is flooded to within 15 meters of the surface of the surrounding ground. The depth is currently unknown. People have described the water as rising and falling with the tide. It could not be connected to the Pacific Ocean as it would flood the area. However it may be connected to an underground sea or more likely to and underground river. A river changes height and flow rate constantly which could explain this variation.

    There is another entrance to this water body that has been closed by the Park Service. Reason being the disapperance of two boys who were snorkling in the cave. It is alleged that they sealed that entrance shut. The Devil's Hole entrance is still open although now it is fenced off and entry is restricted because of the Pup fish found in Devil's Hole.

    NEVADA, PAHRUMP - NW of Pahrump [which lies due west from Las Vegas] is Devil's Hole National Monument, an annex of Death Valley National Monument. It is an apparently "bottomless" aqua-cave containing a species of cave fish located no where else in the world. Like the legendary "subterranean grand canyon" -- which reportedly runs beneath the Kokoweef and Dorr Peaks near the SW flank of the Ivanpah Mts. just south of highway 91 and NW of Needles, California -- the Devil's Hole water level ALSO reportedly rises and falls with the tide, suggesting a connection with a massive underground sea below and upstream, possibly in the area of eastern Nevada and western Utah. At least 2 boys disappeared trying to explore Devil's Hole, and Navy scuba divers were lowered on cables and reported seeing a large subterranean river which roared up from below, flowed across a wide expanse although they could not estimate the depth because of a myriad of colonnades of black rock through which the river flowed, before plunging once again down an abyss. This reportedly occurred in a cave NEAR Devil's Hole.

    Another legend regards two divers who were lost in Devil's Hole. Allegedly a diving tank having the serial number of one of the divers was found floating months later in the Bay of Cortez near Baja, California. In reviewing the U.S. Park Service historical file on Devil's Hole (ACC # 1240, DEVA # 44646) there was reference to this event, but the diving tank find was not mentioned. (It may be that this was not reported to the park service since it allegedly occurred months later than the dive.)

    The June 23, 1965 Reno Evening Gazette , reported that professional diver Jim Houtz descended to 315 feet looking for the two lost divers but found no sign of them. Houtz stated that: " … Devil's Hole has an unknown source of water; perhaps an underground river." "The source of water could be limitless."

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    One last tidbit of weirdness -- re: the So Cal underground tunnels, cities, waterways:

    The Underground City Of The Lizard People

    Deep beneath the heart of Los Angeles’ financial district, hundreds of feet below the huge downtown edifices that house banks, corporate offices, and government agencies, lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

    At least that’s what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.

    Shufelt had first heard of the city in a Hopi Indian legend about the “Lizard People.” They were a fabled lost race who had who had nearly been wiped out after a meteor shower rained down on the


    Southwest back around 3,000 BC. (Arizona’s famous Winslow Crater was said to be Ground Zero of this fiery deluge.)

    The Lizard People constructed thirteen subterranean settlements along the Pacific Coast, to shelter the tribe against future disasters. These underground cities housed a thousand families each, along with stockpiles of food. As the story had it, the tribe used a “chemical solution” that melted solid bedrock to bore out the tunnels and rooms of their subsurface shelters.

    Along with housing their people in the event of a disaster, the tunnels were also constructed to hold a trove of golden tablets that chronicled the tribe’s history, the origin of humankind, and the story of the world back to creation. Shufelt was particularly interested in these tablets for both pecuniary and archeological reasons.

    A Hopi chief named Little Green Leaf told Shufelt that the vanished race’s capital city was located under present-day downtown Los Angeles. In 1933, after surveying the area, Shufelt occupied the Banning property at 518 North Hill Street and sank a 350-shaft straight down, digging for what he said was a “treasure room” directly underneath. Shufelt said that he had located gold in the catacombs below with the aid of his “radio X-ray.”

    This peculiar instrument, which was sort of a tricked-up dowsing rod, had also helped Shufelt map the location and extent of the underground tunnels. He said that the subterranean city was shaped like a giant lizard, with the head in the vicinity of Chavez Ravine (the present location of Dodger Stadium), and the tail tapering out beneath the Central Library. The “key room,” the chamber that contained the map of the city and the directory to the gold tablets, lay several hundred feet under the present site of Times-Mirror Square. Shufelt also claimed that he’d traced passages stretching to the area around the Southwest Museum, and said that ventilation tunnels extended westward, opening at the Pacific Ocean.

    Despite all his extensive mapping and plotting of the treasure-filled underground city, Shufelt never actually found it. Shortly after the Times story appeared, the project, which had been authorized by the City Council over a year earlier, suddenly ceased, and Shufelt and his cohorts disappeared. The whole mysterious, improbable business was written off by a hoax, and quickly forgotten. Since then, inexplicable tunnels have been unearthed in downtown Los Angeles, but they’ve usually been explained away as the work of smugglers hiding illegal Chinese laborers in the 19th century.

    But Shufelt wasn’t the only modern Californian who believed that an ancient underground city lay beneath Los Angeles. As a postscript to this strange little tale, let’s look at the vision of Miss Edith Elden Robinson of Pico Rivera, which appeared in the highly respected American Society for Psychic Research’s journal.

    On the evening of December 22, 1933, five weeks before Shufelt’s excavations hit the pages of the Times, the clairvoyant Miss Robinson envisioned that under Los Angeles lay “a vast city…in mammoth tunnels extending to the sea-shore.” She said that the tunnels had been constructed by a vanished race to protect themselves from danger, and to provide access to the sea.

    Who knows? Maybe this fabulous subterranean city really existed. Perhaps it’s even populated with latter-day Lizard People who live hidden and unsuspected hundreds of feet below modern-day Los Angeles, emerging only furtively to watch the 21st-century barbarians slowly strangle their own surface-level civilization with smog, traffic and urban sprawl. –MM

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