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    These 3 books are an in depth view of the realm between lives.

    Journey of souls (top link): http://www.google.com/search?q=journ...-a&safe=active

    Destiny of Souls (4th or 5th link) http://www.google.com/search?q=journ...-a&safe=active

    http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Soul-...1072263&sr=1-2

    I think you would really appreciate them. They are some of the best I have read with regards to understanding this subject.
    Go download!

    I would also recommend the work of Ian Stevenson who studied THOUSANDS of cases of children who remember past lives without regression and the book by a journalist who started out as a skeptic but became a believer whist documenting Stevenson's travels:
    http://www.amazon.com/Old-Souls-Comp...ords=old+souls

    The books above helped me make up my mind that reincarnation is real.

    I always try and remember these propositions:

    1- the soul survives independent of the physical body
    2- souls have many lives, not just one
    3- our many lives are not linked by a karmic law of action and reaction
    4- we reincarnate to gather experience so we can grow
    5- the only judgment after death comes from ourselves
    6- we are responsible for all aspects of our lives because we plan and choose them
    7- we always have free will to deviate from our life plan
    8- we are all One and all God
    9- soul consciousness is holographic, and represents the part and the whole all at the same time
    10- the aim of the Source is to experience all that is and can be

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl2 View Post
    These 3 books are an in depth view of the realm between lives.

    Journey of souls (top link): http://www.google.com/search?q=journ...-a&safe=active

    Destiny of Souls (4th or 5th link) http://www.google.com/search?q=journ...-a&safe=active

    http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Soul-...1072263&sr=1-2

    I think you would really appreciate them. They are some of the best I have read with regards to understanding this subject.
    Go download!

    I would also recommend the work of Ian Stevenson who studied THOUSANDS of cases of children who remember past lives without regression and the book by a journalist who started out as a skeptic but became a believer whist documenting Stevenson's travels:
    http://www.amazon.com/Old-Souls-Comp...ords=old+souls

    The books above helped me make up my mind that reincarnation is real.

    I always try and remember these propositions:

    1- the soul survives independent of the physical body
    2- souls have many lives, not just one
    3- our many lives are not linked by a karmic law of action and reaction
    4- we reincarnate to gather experience so we can grow
    5- the only judgment after death comes from ourselves
    6- we are responsible for all aspects of our lives because we plan and choose them
    7- we always have free will to deviate from our life plan
    8- we are all One and all God
    9- soul consciousness is holographic, and represents the part and the whole all at the same time
    10- the aim of the Source is to experience all that is and can be
    "3- our many lives are not linked by a karmic law of action and reaction"

    This appears not to be true, unless you meant "are linked". In several instances Bruce Goldberg has shown that karmic law does infact carry over for a soul and until the "lesson" related to that karma is actually learned, several of ones lives will be devoted to this "lesson".

    This seems to be true also of lives that are in the "future" and in a parallel universe and timelline. The works of Bruce Goldberg are very instructive to the structure of life beyond what we experience this time around.

    http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/revealed.htm

    http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/SearchForGrace.htm
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    So I am stuck trying to figure this out without any ability to speak to this person. Really really vexing.
    Every night before you drift to sleep TELL God that you NEED to know about this. Be firm but not too pushy. It seems really important to you, so I would focus on the feeling of you solving this mystery every night, feel what it's like to discover what you want to know, without anticipation. Do it every night and write down absolutely everything from your dreams on a notebook beside your bed. You're bound to get something. The memories are inside you somewhere.

    This would be my advice for anyone who is wondering about this
    That, and see a hypnotherapist, maybe. I've never done either, nor felt the need to.

    I'm next to certain that reincarnation is a reality. I have this funny birthmark where a ring stone would be on my wedding ring finger. The psychic told me that I burned the ring into my hand, lots of flames . and thats the only birthmark...

    I have strange memories that dont seem to be from this life since I was a toddler as well.

    These 3 books are an in depth view of the realm between lives.
    Haven't read the books, but Mr. Newton's interviews are awesome. I showed my buddy and his mouth dropped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post
    "3- our many lives are not linked by a karmic law of action and reaction"

    This appears not to be true, unless you meant "are linked". In several instances Bruce Goldberg has shown that karmic law does infact carry over for a soul and until the "lesson" related to that karma is actually learned, several of ones lives will be devoted to this "lesson".


    http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/revealed.htm

    http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/SearchForGrace.htm
    I disagree. An example would be that if in one life you run someone over and they spend the rest of their life in a wheelchair, that in the next life you will be the one to spend your life in a wheel chair as karma. Almost as if karma is some kind of punishment. I dont think it works like that. Nobody judges us but ourselves and if we want to stop incarnating and progress, then its up to us to CHOOSE the next life. Its not thrust upon us. WE choose the lesson.
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    To clarify...

    Even when the modern evidence for individual soul reincarnation is accepted, there are a number of very different spiritual approaches that can be adopted, whose adherents behave in very different ways. So our final objective in this work must be to attempt to answer the two crucial questions of why are we here? and its logical corollary of what should we do? Without answers to these questions we are swimming in a whirlpool – directionless, aimless, reactive, allowing the tides of our succession of lives to take us where they will.

    All reincarnatory worldviews share the idea that we have many lives on earth because we are supposed to progress or evolve to the point where we no longer have to incarnate in the physical plane. And while this objective of ‘enlightenment’ or ‘transcendence’ is consistent, as we will see there are a number of different views as to how it can be achieved – not only from a metaphysical perspective, but also in practical, everyday terms.[i] For most people this is where the concept of karma comes to the fore, because it is supposedly the river that runs through our succession of lives and flows out into the light realms of the eternal soul. So for many their view of the workings of karma is intrinsically bound up with their view of how to achieve the progress required to depart the earth plane for good – even if souls who have achieved this enlightened state might choose to come back to assist with various earthly developments.

    There are many different approaches to karma in the traditions of the East and West. Even the two major Eastern religions, Hinduism and Buddhism, each have many different strains – although the doctrine of anatta or ‘no self’ can tend to preclude any idea of the continuity of an individual soul that reincarnates from one life to the next in some strains of Buddhist thought. Then there are the variants of Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Judaism, Gnosticism and a variety of other esoteric schools both ancient and modern. This is not intended to be a full explanation of the many intricacies of these different approaches to karma, but we can identify certain major strands of thinking.

    The most simplistic, traditional approach tells us that we can be punished for so-called ‘bad’ karma. The harshest version of this doctrine sees the unfortunate wrongdoer devolving back down the reincarnatory chain to a lower form of animal life – or even, under some schemas, entering a terrible, hellish realm before incarnating again at the bottom of the animal chain and having to work all the way back up to human form.[ii] But most modern evidence suggests that there are significant differences between the group soul energy of animal species and the fully individualized nature of human soul energy.[iii] So many spiritual seekers in the West now tend to favor a more fluid approach that involves ‘balancing’ supposedly good and bad karma. The principle is broadly one of ‘spiritual accounting’ whereby we tend to accumulate karmic deficits – especially in earlier lives when we are less experienced – but over time our good karmic actions compensate for the bad ones, whether directly or indirectly. So the long-term aim is to achieve a ‘balanced karmic account’. But even this is seen as too formulaic by some, so the bottom line becomes the mere recognition of myriad different forms of karma that can apply in different circumstances.[iv] But does any of this karmic theory really help us to answer our two key questions?

    Apparently more sophisticated approaches tend to suggest that we should live a life of non-attachment, perhaps even as a completely disinterested ascetic in solitude. In Hindu thought this frees us from generating any further karma at all, whether good or bad, thereby ending the compulsion to reincarnate. For those of a more Buddhist persuasion, by contrast, the purpose is to see through the illusion of individuality – or maya – and recognize our ‘one-ness’ with the ‘universal consciousness’ that pervades everything. We will return to these issues in the final chapter, but for now we might recognize that to separate oneself from the world for a prolonged period might be regarded as somewhat at odds with the idea of soul experience and growth – which we have already seen is one of the strongest themes to emerge from interlife regression. Having said that the pursuit of non-attachment does not have to be this extreme. It might be that we involve ourselves fully in the experiences of life, and yet still aim to find ourselves becoming less and less attached to particular events and their outcomes.

    Rather worse, in the original Sanskrit the word karma means ‘action’, but as we saw in chapter 5 it is now widely associated with a process of action and reaction and of paying off debts – more commonly expressed via colloquialisms such as ‘you reap what you sow’ and ‘what goes around comes around’. So the fundamental problem with most karmic models is the misconception that, if we are undergoing trials and tribulations in the present, they must represent our predestined fate because of wrongdoing in the past – usually thought to have taken place in a previous life. Nowhere is this flaw more blatantly demonstrated than in the idea that people who are severely disabled, either mentally or physically, are being punished – because, as we will shortly see, they may well have deliberately chosen this challenge during the interlife in order to accelerate their emotional growth. On top of this there is a seemingly irreconcilable tension between, on the one hand, this inherent suggestion of a significant element of karmic predestiny and, on the other, the total supremacy of personal responsibility and free will – which themes also emerged strongly from the interlife regression evidence in the previous chapter. Many spiritual commentators have wrestled with this problem. Most, unfortunately, have had minimal success.

    With the benefit of modern regression evidence it seems that the most important distinction we can make is between the dynamics operating across successions of lives and those that hold sway within just one life. To begin with the first of these, it is clear that our accumulated experiences from past lives shape our current life plan – influencing not only our circumstances, but also the emotions we bring back to work on, and even the past-life strengths that will help us. At least this is certainly true of more experienced souls, who are closely involved in making deliberate planning choices for themselves, and in these circumstances the idea that any sort of law of action and reaction influences the process seems entirely unhelpful. As to those less experienced and more impetuous souls whose planning may be rather more directed by others, it may be that some sort of underlying law of action and reaction is applied. But if so the dynamics of this process will be so complex as to be way beyond our human understanding – and if we cannot understand something, we cannot use it to learn and grow. So expounding any number of complex theories in this area is not going to assist such a soul in deciding how to approach their life in practical terms. Worse still, who is to say whether each of us is an experienced soul who is more or less in charge of their life planning and choices, or a less experienced and perhaps more impetuous soul wielding rather less control? As we will see, outward appearances can be extremely deceptive.

    So what about what happens within our current lives? If we switch the terminology slightly, it is sometimes abundantly obvious to us that the concept of ‘cause and effect’ holds true, especially when the effect follows hard on the heels of the cause. In fact in this context it clearly is appropriate to talk about a ‘law’ that pertains at all times – even if, again, most of the time we remain blissfully unaware of the unconscious causes that have produced the effects we consciously observe in our lives. It is because of this that, as well as having a life plan established during the interlife, we can be said to create our own reality as we go along in incarnate life – and this in turn is exactly where the supremacy of free will comes into play.

    We will return to these ideas in the final chapter, but for now the clear implication is that we can break free from the ‘bondage of karma’ at any time. If we want to promote soul growth then each and every one of us can actively decide to start with a fresh sheet of paper and to begin ‘consciously creating’ our own future. This is true not only of more experienced but also of less experienced souls, because there are no obvious restrictions – except that to reinforce this process we need to become not only more spiritually aware while incarnate, but also more fully active in the time between lives, although to a large extent the one may be thought to lead to the other. Admittedly some souls may be rather more receptive to these ideas, and rather more ready to put them into practice, than others. Admittedly also, as we will see in the final chapter, real conscious creation does not just involve ‘positive thinking’ but also a commitment to proper self-analysis so that unconscious blockages are cleared. But, despite these riders, this undeniable fact that we use our free will to create our own destiny renders it absolutely imperative that we should shift our focus away from thinking of our present circumstances as being reactively determined by our past, and concentrate instead on how our present choices are proactively shaping our future.



    More:

    http://www.ianlawton.com/bbosextr2.htm
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    LOL...that cartoon is funny.
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    Saw this today:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ink-death.html

    Near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system and enters the universe, claim two quantum physics experts

    A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.

    According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.

    Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, has advanced the quasi-religious theory.

    It is based on a quantum theory of consciousness he and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose have developed which holds that the essence of our soul is contained inside structures called microtubules within brain cells.

    They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

    Thus it is held that our souls are more than the interaction of neurons in the brain. They are in fact constructed from the very fabric of the universe - and may have existed since the beginning of time.

    The concept is similar to the Buddhist and Hindu belief that consciousness is an integral part of the universe - and indeed that it is really all there may be, a position similar to Western philosophical idealism.

    With these beliefs, Dr Hameroff holds that in a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Instead it merely leaves the body and returns to the cosmos.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz2Asvd6DVg

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl2 View Post
    I disagree. An example would be that if in one life you run someone over and they spend the rest of their life in a wheelchair, that in the next life you will be the one to spend your life in a wheel chair as karma. Almost as if karma is some kind of punishment. I dont think it works like that. Nobody judges us but ourselves and if we want to stop incarnating and progress, then its up to us to CHOOSE the next life. Its not thrust upon us. WE choose the lesson.
    I agree in general, but you missed the point made by examples form Bruce Goldberg.

    In the book on Grace, she had reincarnated with the same male character in several different lifetimes and he had killed her in each of those incarnations, whatever karmic lesson they were working on, they were, or he was, not able to learn control himself in his incarnations. The male was carrying the same karmic debt to each incarnation.

    In the book on future lives on of the books examples had caused a nuclear meltdown and killed many in some future event and had carried that karmic load back into our time and this incarnation.

    As you say it is the lessons we choose, and we do not always understand here what is going on, it is not a straight forward thing how we come to perfect our souls.

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    As Ihad said some time ago I would update people on where the research is going on regarding the tunnel experience.
    It goes very slow however there are 4 physicists working on it, one full time. Two astrophysicists, 1 quantum, 1 plasma.
    Im sure gaining a consensus must be challenging, but if anyone can do this they can.

    I continue to have unusual dreams, premonitions, and some they believe are parallel lives in other dimensions. All this has to be worked on and developed in to a working hypothesis and tested so I dont expect anything anytime soon. But it is fascinating work.

    The tunnel exists,, of that we are sure. Quantifying and testing it is time consuming and I can do nothing but wait.

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