HOUR 3 C2C
GK: We're talking with Nano-man, Chris Cooper and filmmaker Jeremy Corbell, about advanced propulsion systems, the possibility of interstellar travel and some of these topics invariably swerve pretty close to the subjects we're used to talking about on this program; UFOs, strange things in the sky, extra-terrestrials, other intelligences, other realities. In a moment, we pick our conversation about this strange quantum field theory that Chris Cooper has been exploring -how it could be put to practical use and then we are going back to the Utility Fog, this very strange nano-material that he found under some unusual circumstances, see if we can get him to tell that story and lot more to come... (0'54”)
GK: Chris Cooper in the last segment you were telling me about these ultimate possibilities if the Space Drive sort of be developed on a mass scale. Obviously there are applications for the development of space, commercial development of space; it eliminates a lot of the barriers and the cost for that. You said, 'We could Mars in like 3 days' so interplanetary travel would certainly be possible what about interstellar travel though. Do we need something more exotic than the Space Drive system we are talking about? To travel a distance that far? To another star system?
CC: No, I believe it's just a matter of systems integration. We've got cold fusion, we've got the extremely strong and durable materials, both needed for actually building a spacecraft and we've got a propulsion system that could take passengers, and cargo between stars.
GK: How long? How long though to the nearest star? How long does that take? If Mars is three days it would seem like it would take a long time?
CC: Mars with classic propulsion is a 2 year trip, so to cut 2 years to 2 days, and the fact we are doing serious modifications to the underling quantum field itself, would mean that travellers would, may not, experience the same space-time distortion that Einstein speaks of when you reach the speed of light. Imagine digging a tunnel from here to Alpha Centauri and then travelling through that tunnel instead of a trip using classic propulsion. So a trip from here to Alpha Centauri maybe a few months.
GK: Well certainly much more doable. (3'13”) Let me ask you this – you have been quoted, by Jeremy in some of his films, of saying, you know 'Humans could become in effect extraterrestrials' What I don't have a sense of is how comfortable you are in talking about some of the sort of the more classic applications of that term? The kinds of stuff that we cover on this program all the time? But I'll ask Jeremy that question first. Jeremy you've had conversations, you've got to know Chris really well. Is there a concern that he wants to be hands off with some of the more exotic options here because he wants to be taken seriously among colleagues? How do you see it? (3'51”)
JC: I mean Chris is a pretty fearless person. I've never noticed him to shy away from the infinite possibilities that are there. You know, tell me if I’m wrong Chris! But a lot of what he's derived inspiration from, are these things that seems to defy our known physics. I mean, I think he's very open to that stuff. You know he like us - we have big questions about it. For example, I brought Chris a piece of the alleged implant that was in Patient Seventeen, and Chris helped me read through the isotopic composition of object number 17. And we sat there together and the Zinc 64 was off by over 1%. I mean Chris was saying to me at the time, 'This is astounding, I mean this zinc is non-terrestrial it was not formed in our supernova. And you found it in a person? (4'45”) And it's things like this that we have experienced together, where I see Chris as a very open mind about it, quite frankly Chris it seemed like to me, when we first started documenting together. I mean man if you weren't building a spaceship man! I mean it was like from the material science to the cold fusion. I mean isn't it part of your idea that one day humanity can travel amongst the stars? And what you are working with is precisely going towards that? You know building some sort of spaceship to take humanity off planet.
CC: That is absolutely my ultimate goal; in all of these technologies is the ultimate survival of our species, and the ultimate survival of the life of this planet and to secure our future. It is absolutely my goal to take us off planet and to explore the rest of the galaxy, not from a observatory but boots on the ground.
GK: And are you inspired by some of the kinds of exotic subjects that we discuss on this program from time to time? Strange things seen in the sky? Stories about UFOs? Some other intelligence? Aliens?
CC: I am certainly inspired by the possibility that others have come before us.
JC: And you've seen some things Chris that you can't explain, you tasked me with doing an SEM (Scanning Electron Microscopy) one a substance which you could not explain and these nano-machines these micro-bots, all of this stuff seems to play some sort of role in your mentality of your current day physics and your hard core science that you are doing now?
GK: Utility Fog
CC: When you see some of these materials it defies any explanation, at least any classical explanation, as to the origin of these materials.
GK: Well let's talk about the Utility Fog, and I don't know if Jeremy came up with that name or that was the name you told him about. (7'08”) I don't know how you can describe in any detail how you got it? I'll leave it up to you how much you want to say.
CC: I wish I could take credit for the term Utility Fog, but unfortunately I can't. The term was coined many years ago at a nano-technology conference in 1994. And, at that time, it was a theoretical construct that was advanced; nano-technology, nano-machines could be built on the scale of, devices and machines built on a scale that would require a microscope even to see them. And in a large swarm they could all link together and act as a united device with millions of microscopic parts. This theoretical construct of Utility Fog is something as far as I know we are decades, if not centuries, away from actually making some of the exotic materials. As though there's nothing specifically in physics or chemistry that would preclude us from designing machines on that scale. (8'35”)
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