Nanoman - Chris H Cooper

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Chris Cooper's claim to get there in 2 days refers to his Space Drive technology not conventional tech. As he says NASA missions use solid fuel, they rely on ejecting that matter at velocity to reach escape velocity from the earth. They then rely on solar power or nuclear power to power to unit, it is too costly to produce proper thrust after leaving earth orbit. The space drive pushes against the 'quantum field' I assume it will accelerate half way to Mars then decelerate closer to Mars. Cold fusion is essentially converting mass directly into energy just like the sun, e=mc2, so for a tiny amount of deuterium can produce a vast amount of energy, if slowly. It the best storage medium there is (mass) It depends on him using cold fusion to power his Space Drive two big unknowns.

No you misunderstand Long Eyes
See my earlier post.
He claimed his new technology would get to Mars in two days (Knap thought he'd said three) but with present technology it takes two years.
But the Mars Rovers took just six months.
But as I explained above maybe Cooper was talking about present technology with a crew and freight supplies etc which I presume would take longer with a heavier payload.

But here I would like to say a big thank you Long Eyes for transcribing this interview - a lot of hard work! Did you do it all yourself?

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No you misunderstand Long Eyes
See my earlier post.
He claimed his new technology would get to Mars in two days (Knapp thought he'd said three) but with present technology it takes two years.
But the Mars Rovers took just six months.
But as I explained above maybe Cooper was talking about present technology with a crew and freight supplies etc which I presume would take longer with a heavier payload.

But here I would like to say a big thank you Long Eyes for transcribing this interview - a lot of hard work! Did you do it all yourself?

I wouldn't think he's too far out anyway to be honest. It can take a year so depending on relative positions. It's an error but it's not his field, it's conversation and not a pitch.
Yes transcribing it myself had no time today to get any done yet.

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Final chunk of hr 3

GK: Let me ask you this Chris, you know some of the designs that, used to be just circles, then they became more complex over the years, and then obviously humans are doing some of them, maybe a lot of them, maybe nearly all of them, but some of the more interesting ones they have these mathematical connections. I think, I hope, I’m pronouncing this right, I remember one from some years ago a Mandelbrot kinda of a design. So many of the most interesting ones have these sorta advanced mathematical components to them, or am I overstating it? (31'49”)

CC: Yes, they certainly have. There's a lot of mathematics embedded in these geometries and from some of the crop circle makers that I met they have small groups that will try to figure out very complex geometries, it's become quite an art-form. The ones that really interested me, that were really off the beaten path, where you have to hike a couple of miles in on farmers land. I would always ask the farmer for permission, obviously and go out on a hike to find some these circles no one even knew about. And these were the most interesting, you look at the lay of the land for instance, maybe there was a slope to the land, and the circle would be misformed - not quite round, project that circle onto a flat plan and it's suddenly a perfect circle. Whoever was able to make have a perfect understanding of the topology of the land, in order to map that topology into the circle? So the only way to see the true geometry would be to remap that onto a flat plane. (33'37”) These complexities just not I don't think it's possible to do with rope and boards.

GK: So what's your general take on it? Or do you have one? Do you think it's an effort to communication? Is it art? Is it graffiti by some other intelligence? What's going on there?

CC: I have no idea, who, what, where or how. It's certainly a display of intelligence. These things are made and we maybe even have clues as to how they made; the pits and shovels – this Utility Fog if you will. Who's behind it? I have no idea. That's the mystery. (34'40”)

GK: Jeremy for you as a film maker that's a challenge for you. You’re making a, you wanna have a degree of separation between you and wildest stuff, even though Chris has been willing today tonight to share this with us, at considerable risk, I would say. You have to put it in categories I guess? As you're as making films about his work?

JC: Yeah I mean look I’ll take it on. The thing with Chris is he's the most honest person I've ever met; you know he just says it as it is if he doesn't know it, he doesn't know it. There's this awesome story, I don't know if it's classified or he had the privileges to talk about, but it was about weaponry and he had to go to Los Alamos to kinda of talk about it because he overheard some stuff. This is a guy who has a real strong moral compass. Now when he tells me these extraordinary stories, (35'38”) I mean every time I look into them there is substance. Just like with the Utility Fog it's just if it's coming from Chris I'm willing to investigate it. Normal Dr Lier alleged, sure enough I got fascinated by it so if there's an element of truth then I know I’m in good hands with a scientist like Chris. I will look into it.

GK: Well here's the thing Chris, now that you have shared this story it opens up a whole new realm of possible research by folks who are earnestly trying to get to the bottom of crop formation mystery the argo-glyphs. This could give them new tools to approach that, that work? I mean they're chasing around these old barflies who go out with boards, or crazy college kids who wanna mystify farmers and create a media stir, but there is a legitimate chance for straightforward research, if folks have the right gear, and the right approach. Don't you think? (36'46”)

CC: Certainly there's, there's a lot to this story than college kids with nothing to do.

JC: And didn't you say when you observed this, which, oh my gosh! I wish I’d seen anything like this. When you observed this was there a shimmering in the air if I remember it correctly the story?

CC: Yes. Yes. And the shimmering in the air would be consistent with the concept of the Utility Fog type of material at work.

GK: Have you err, have you give thought to how this stuff is projected and from where? I mean is it … I mean people on this program would think there must be an alien spaceship hovering above and they projected it down somehow. Or some kind of orbiting platform but I guess it doesn't necessarily have to come from something like that?

CC: No. No. No there's been quite a lot of speculation in the hard-core nano, theoretical nano-technologies and engineering work, where you simply set up a local area network between these microscopic robots, some of their arms are communication arms, some transmit power, others transmit force. Think of a colony of ants they can all hold hands together, and form into structure. You instantly have nodes that would be higher level communications nodes - decision makers. Those decision makers would be telling the rest of the army of drones, microscopic drones when to do and when to do it. (38'46”) They could all act as a collective.

GK: So I guess the question, the other question is from where? Where does that come from? Does this go back to, I not asking to pin you down but could it come for some other place? Some other reality? You were talking about higher dimensions things of that sort. Is that what we are talking about? Or could it just come from somewhere else on Earth? In this reality?

CC: For this to have been designed machined developed manufactured by any of the usual suspects, from the US, from a military research lab, or university, the chances of that are just astronomically small. I believe we are decades if not centuries from actually building and deploying a network of microscopic robots. In terms of then... where do they come from? You have to start question if some of these extraordinary possible explanations of.. where did they come from?

GK: Well we'll pick that up on the other side...

END of hr 3

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No you misunderstand Long Eyes
See my earlier post.
He claimed his new technology would get to Mars in two days (Knap thought he'd said three) but with present technology it takes two years.
But the Mars Rovers took just six months.
But as I explained above maybe Cooper was talking about present technology with a crew and freight supplies etc which I presume would take longer with a heavier payload.

But here I would like to say a big thank you Long Eyes for transcribing this interview - a lot of hard work! Did you do it all yourself?

Been awhile since college Astronomy class, but if I recall correctly Earth & Mars are close to each other once every two years. So suspect 2 years is a round trip estimate. 6 months travel time to Mars when it is close. Wait a year for the near alignment to approach again (time could be spent doing exploration), then six months for return trip. Two years total, round trip.
Launching any earlier would place you farther away. Take longer & use more fuel.

Two days for such a trip would be unbelievable!

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Been away from the forum for awhile, just stopping by now and again. This thread has brought me back. Most interesting. Thanks for your work with transcription, Longeyes!

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Hour 4 C2C Nanoman Show

GK: We’re talking with ‘The Nanoman’ Chris Cooper and filmmaker Jeremy Corbell, and we’ve already have some pretty astonishing things so far about the discovery this stuff called Utility Fog, In which, titanium nanobots are shown under electron-microscopes and this sample was amazing stuff, was obtained from a crop formation that our guest, Chris Cooper was present along with five other people, when this thing sorta formed around them. That it sorta opened his eyes to other possibilities, and it’s been a factor and research that’s led to among of other things a Space Drive System that the Pentagon was interested in for a while. But there’s one more big development that we’ve only hinted about and that deals with cold fusion... (01’08”)

GK: Jeremy Corbell (1’16”) and let you set up this audio clip we are about to hear. I’m not sure you knew when he started working on this project with Chris Cooper that you’d… his research would take you into the area of cold fusion, or what your general knowledge of confusion was. I know that, in general, for a while we had and what look like a breakthrough by those guys Fleischmann and Pons, and then suddenly was discredited. And it seemed like whole thing went away or went underground or behind the scenes. But, you know in the public eye, it probably seemed pie in the sky. So why don’t you set up what we’re about to hear. (1’55”) What was going on as you working on this part of the project?

JC: Yeah, I mean, all of this has been a scientific learning curve with me, with a lot of my films, with Patient Seventeen, and all my work with Chris Cooper. You know, you realise you do a lot of sitting around, waiting to something to happen when you do a documentary. This experience is fantastic. We had spent a number of days talking about these breakthroughs that Chris was having with a number of scientists working on cold fusion. I must add, in 2007 Lawrence Livermore, Chris did achieve workable cold fusion, but he really wants to commercialise it was upscale it. (2’41”) So we’re there, and we’re going to the laboratory, and I think it was two days before were supposed to be go to this laboratory, and he’s saying ‘you know, we are gonna have this breakthrough. I’m sure we’ve got it to a level now’. And I said,’ Well, I have to film something - it’s a visual medium.’ And that’s when the idea of the light bulb came in. Well, if we can illuminate something it’s really gonna show the audience that your reaction has possibilities. You know, because to me this cold fusion this concept away outside myself. The way it could transform the world is so significant, so there I am, his father had put together this electronics package that would be able to take the temperature differential and turn it into electric power, if indeed we achieved, on that day, a true cold fusion reaction. And there we are, he sets it up, and it’s like one of the scientific days, you like, ‘Oh bummer it didn’t work’. So, we’re sitting there for about an hour, and they’re tinkering with getting the wiring right, and so I just start filming other stuff. I ‘m shooting ‘B’ roll of all this strange, Frankenstein equipment, that’s in this house. And then as my cameras just filming some device in another room, you can hear Chris screaming ‘Jeremy!! I can’t believe it!’ There was this incredible opportunity. Were just the camera happened to be rolling, you know, right when this happened. So that’s not audio clip you can hear; and I have full video of this diode being lit, which we think is the first time light bulb was ever been engaged through true cold fusion. So this is a kind of monumental historic moment and you’ll hear the audio and the excitement of my really nerdy friend who I love dearly Chris Cooper…

GK: Alright let’s play it. Play it and then let’s talk about.

AUDIO CLIP (4’29”)
CC: Oh my god Jeremy it’s working! …Oh my god!
There it is! There it is! I’m not going to touch it.
Come around, come around. I’m going to touch it. It’s blinking
JC: Where is it?
CC: Right over here you have to around
Dennis: Real electric power there we go! Oh my god Holy sh*t it really is working!
JC: Okay can I get a light on?
Dennis: I can’t you did it! We did it!
JC: Okay can I get a light on here?
Dennis: Oh my god
JC: Okay hold on guys
Dennis: Okayyyyyy! Oh man! Oh my God!
CC: You wanna get a picture of the thing?
Dennis: I can’t believe this. You get one fusion reactor with net power that’s burning a light… that’s infinite power… and he gets excited?!
CC (Might Chris’s dad): Go figure! Go figure! Dennis, this is bigger than the atomic bomb you know that, you even said it yourself.
Dennis: No it’s not - its a little biddy thing
CC (Same voice as above): Yeah, a little biddy thing
Dennis: The sphere is about the size of the uranium core of a bomb.
CC: Yeah, yeah.
JC: Okay guys hold on there I need some explanation.
Dennis: You wanna see this thing running here?
CC: Oh my god…
END AUDIO CLIP

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GK: Jeremy’s gonna the post audio and video on his website extraordinarybeliefs.com. Chris walks us through that? How did you do that? Is it replicable? And what does is it mean? (6’07”)

CC: So, so the experiment was conducted in a completely enclosed sphere, of brass. Inside the sphere was the material cold fusion catalyst, in an atmosphere of hydrogen and deuterium, and this is the most remarkable cold fusion experiment I’ve ever seen because there is no input power. And what that means is, that the coefficient of performance, is basically a ratio of power in to the power out, but in this case there’s no power in. the whole thing is at room temperature and the device is as an elevated temperature. It has CHT so it’s COP, it’s coefficient of performance, is infinite. Zero power in real measurable power out. This was the most, is still the most extraordinary day of my scientific life - to actually see an electronic harvesting circuit, harvesting enough electro-power from the set of ?Poltee? devices around the outside the sphere. And it was able to, actually collect that’s thermal power, moving through ?Calseea? to convert that to electrical power. The energy harvesting circuit would collect enough of that power, to then light up an LED. And then it would flash an LED about once every second or so. And as far as I know that experiment demonstrating thermal to electric conversion, on cold fusion device, that required a zero input power had never been done before…

GK: Chris, this changes cold fusion…

CC: This is one of the most significant experiments in cold fusion, and can in my experience; it may very well be the most significant cold fusion experiment of all time.

GK: I mean it changes everything. Cold fusion changes everything right?

CC: Absolutely. There’s zero environmental impact, there is no radiation and the by-product of cold fusion is helium. Helium is a harmless gas that is used to inflate weather balloons, inflate balloons at a party, so absolutely benign, environmentally friendly and inexhaustible.

GK: You know I would think, but if you, I had made that breakthrough - that’s all I’d be working on even though your other stuff is all very interesting. That when you look at the ultimate potential of cold fusion, that’s my entire energy would be devoted there?

CC: So my current energy is devoted toward a carbon based material that is conductive, has extremely large surface area etc. And so the materials that I’m currently working on scaling up for manufacturing; this carbon nanotube thread and cable, is one of the potential products for this material I’m working on… is cold fusion. (10’22”)

GK: So it’s all kind of related? Cold fusion, space drive, carbon nanotubes? It’s all the same project just different aspects of it?

CC: It all uses the same platform technology.

GK: Jeremy, you’ve got that on film seems like that would be really big news?

JC: Well it is the first time anyone is hearing about it. I mean a lot of what I’ve filmed it’s behind by year, a couple years, you need to film it, you need to edit it. I do everything myself. So this is our first opportunity to kinda announce to the world, that Chris has, in his work, along with a few other cold fusion scientists achieved something which is truly remarkable. And a first and yes, it’s captured on film and there’s more to come on that. You get a little five minute free piece, and then I going to edit that entire series on cold fusion. So, I’m very excited I mean this a first to announce it on coast.

GK: And Chris do you publish? On that? Do you have any plans to share with colleagues it’s over for your forum or venue?

CC: So, the… my primary interest is to get these technologies commercialised, and viable commercialisation passes through the standard, raise money, build a team. Do the heavy lifting it takes to really optimise, optimise the process, optimise the material and get ready for prime time. So, I prefer to speak quietly and work diligently and deliver real products. Whereas when one looks the current state of cold fusion, there’s a lot of people talking about it and very few people actually doing anything about it. So there’s plenty of people being very vocal, and it’s just not my style I suppose.

GK: You mean people flapping their gums are not really doing the heavy lifting?

CC: Yes

GK: Okay, tell me this. So you know you shown it can be done in a lab? And if your work is in the carbon nanotube type of area? Can you protect the work that you’ve done? Patent it? Or otherwise prevented it from been stolen from you? I would imagine you wanna share it with humanity at some point?

CC: Yes, in fact the carbon nanotube cold fusion work, that I’ve done, has been patented, and was verified at Lawrence Livermore National labs.

GK: It was?

CC: Yes

GK: And is it published? Is it out general scientific community is it known?

CC: No, no, it’s not. It was a work for others contract back, in 2007, and I have been far more focused on the heavy lifting of commercialising these technologies and a lot was focused on publication and so forth.

GK: I would imagine that with this breakthrough that you’ve made the making a practical application of cold fusion putting it into a commercial point would take enormous amounts of resources? (14’44”)

CC: Ah yes. However, there’s enormous leverage that can be achieved through modern technology. What used to take incredible resources, back when I was commercialising the carbon nanotube energy filtering material, where we had to hire, you know, dozens of scientists to do the optimisation of these materials. Today, it’s really much more suited toward automated materials discovery….

GK: So Jeremy talk…

CC: …it takes less and less resources if the technology around you is advancing at the rate that it currently is.

GK: Who else is currently doing good stuff? Good work on cold fusion, Chris?

CC: There’s as a number of, there’s a number of groups doing really good work in this field of cold fusion. Researchers there probably two dozen researchers, that are currently in laboratories, that are doing really ground breaking work in this field. The work of Peter Hagelstein professor at MIT has most significant breakthroughs in the theoretical underpinnings of cold fusion.

GK: And Jeremy your plans for the material you have? It’s more than one film project?

JC: I mean there’s 3 to 4 primary film projects. So, I’ve been following Chris for a number of years. So, just now I’m going to be able to release the second episode, in the Nanoman series, called ‘Space Drive’. And that’s actually, in February, it’s going to premier at the International UFO Congress. And at that night which is mid-December, it will be available as the second episode to download and watch. That’s my goal to slowly turnout, turnout different episodes about Chris’s work. So now, obviously I have to get into and cut the cold fusion piece, into its full glory, because people now know about it. So each piece kinda comes out like that… so we have ‘Cold Fusion’, ‘Space Drive’, the ‘Utility Fog’ If I can get a part 2 on that, and then also the work that Chris is doing with carbon nanotubes and the weaving all of these materials which have incredible properties. (17’33”)

GK: Chris the other voice we heard in that audio clip, we heard Jeremy, we recognise your voice, that other voice was your father. Tell me about his role in the work that you guys are doing must be really proud moment for him as well?

CC: Actually that was the voice of one of our other scientists, who has been working in the field of cold fusion since before Pons and Fleischman. And he was doing work in the field of cold fusion for the U.S. Air Force long before Pons and Fleischman.

GK: Well that was still a pretty exciting moment for him then?

CC: It certainly was.

GK: You’ve had conversations since then with him?

CC: Yes he is... we are continuing to collaborate on bringing this effect and this technology to commercial levels of power production.

GK: And let me ask you about your father then, because I having seen those videos clips, I’d assumed that’s who we were seeing. Is he involved directly in this part of the work?

CC: Yes, my father has been involved in this research even joined me for campaigns out at Lawrence Livermore in 2007. He is an accomplished electric engineer, worked at White Sands Missile Range and is very good at building feedback control systems.

GK: Well he must have pretty proud as he heard that news….we are going to take a break… (19’20”)

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GK: We’re talking with Chris Cooper and Jeremy Corbell (20’18”) about some pretty amazing scientific and technical developments that could pretty much change everything as we know it… Our final segment of a very interesting show here on Coast-to-coast. Jeremy before we go to the phones. I know that you’ve had some interaction with Chris’s dad and have some reflections on how proud he is and the kind of exotic work the father has done as well as the son.

JC: Yeah, his father is really incredible, and the way they work together is really unique. I remember coming home from the diode or the light bulb experiment and his father was like wanting to know, ’Did it work? Did we achieve it?’ And I said’ Well, yeah it worked we achieved it’ you know, ‘How big is the scientific discovery?’ And he’s a really thoughtful quiet man of few words. And he turned to me never really this open, and says, ‘You know this is on par ,this discovery, this experiment, is on par with the discovery of fire’ and when he said that - it really struck me. It really struck me that a man of his credentials and his scientific rigour would go that far, and say that this was that important this discovery and I surely hope is.

GK: Well must be fun to talk about around the family dinner table Chris?

CC: [LAUGHS} Yes it is

GK: Let’s take a couple calls, the first time caller Billy…. (22’04”)

BILLY: Yes, can you hear me?

GK: What’s on your mind? Billy? (22’30)

BILLY: I want to thank you for taking my call. It’s really is a great show tonight and I wanted to know is cold fusion technology can be used in automobiles? And if your guests would be kind enough to build me one?

GK: [LAUGHS] So, is there an application in transportation?

CC: Yes in fact the scientist you heard during the clip is currently installing an electric motor into a Model A Ford and intends to drive this vehicle across country, fully powered by his cold fusion device, and I’m supporting in that work as well.

GK: Jeremy you’re going to have to talk him into letting you take a camera along for that trip!

JC: I was already had that conversation. It was something I was not allowed to talk about, but since Chris talked about it. Going into that garage and seeing the old Ford, and then thinking about it being run on cold fusion, I am sitting in that passenger seat. Ha ha hah

GK: Well, Billy thanks for the call. Appreciate it… (23’42”)

(Skipped next caller off topic)

GK: We’re talking to Steve from Albany New York. Hi Steve! (26’00”)

STEVE: Hi, I got a question… I’m going to throw something out there… Have you ever heard of Bucky balls?

CC: Yes, in fact my Master’s thesis, at the University of Washington, was on Bucky balls, back in 1994, an extraordinary material, but very, very difficult to commercialise, because the carbon nanotube has so many of the same properties as Bucky ball, and because it’s in the format of a fibre instead of a ball, same exact carbon structure. I decided to basically pursue carbon nanotube commercialisation. (27”02”)

STEVE: OK with Bucky balls you could infuse certain elements and create almost superconductors. Could you do this with the carbon fibres? Whatever happened to superconductors? I was in the Navy about ’85- ’86, there was a big thing about superconductors, and then you never heard of it again. And I was wondering if you’re using carbon tubes you both use Bucky balls and these elements, I can’t remember what they were using, probably come up with some more materials you’d get electricity cheaper?

CC: Yes, in fact I have come across papers in the literature, where people have been able to synthesise ‘peas in a pod’ so you have carbon nanotube on the outside, with Bucky balls filling the inside of the nanotube. Extraordinary structures and there have been many papers disclosing the superconducting properties of those materials, again extraordinarily difficult to fabricate and even harder to separate from other types of carbon materials. I think that these are all structures that will lead to a continuing technological revolution in nanotechnology, as myself and others, learn how to really harness the synthetic processes for making those structures

GK: Thanks for the call Steve really appreciated it. (28’56”) We’re to go to Ed, in Connecticut, on the wild card line. Ed, how you doing?

ED: Thanks for taking the call, George. I’ve a question of you Chris, pretty too much a two part about these nanobots. In regards to their specific capabilities: A) Do you believe that they to be used in a vehicle to disrupt the bearings of real wheel vehicle, those bearings in the front wheel, they disrupt that mechanically? While in use? And B) could they be used to have somebody do something beyond their control? Maybe if they are on some kind of anti-depression drug, or something along those lines? Some type of medication?

CC: Yes indeed. What I’ve seen in the field is a form of Utility Fog. If this material is in our environment, many possibilities may exist, in terms of terms of things we don’t understand, there was certainly a time when people got sick and we had no theory of bacteria, or virus to explain why people got sick. There may be many, many strange anomalies that could be, this could be the cause of very difficult to hunt down, particularly this Utility Fog and doesn’t want be found. It would be extraordinarily difficult to extract from environment unless it was willing to let’s let you study it.

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GK: Thanks Ed. That raises some interesting possibilities. That’s for sure. We’re going to west of the Rockies to Scott, in California who is not a big fan of cold fusion. Scott, hi, you are on with Chris and Jeremy.

SCOTT: Hi. The thing is about what he’s probably doing is, is he’s probably doing some sort of unknown chemical reaction, it’s not cold fusion, because the reason that you have to put energy in get cold fusion is because the atoms are tightly together by very powerful forces. I’m sure he knows this as a physicist. I’ve had several physics classes myself and I’ve talked to all professors about it. The first thing I do is I asked them about cold fusion. And they all say, ‘It’s got a chemical reaction’ because, it may be an unknown chemical reaction I’ll grant them that, and I’m not saying he’s doing a fraud. It’s not conventional physics to be able to fuse atoms together. It’s just because they are held together for a reason. That’s why you got an atom. There’s very powerful forces electrical forces holding those atoms to the nucleus and you’re not to gonna fuse pull ‘em apart and fuse them, like he’s talking about and so I don’t think that’s what he’s doing.

GK: So, good point Scott. Okay alright

SCOTT: Get him to explain it

GK: Okay we’ll let him.

CC: That is a very good point and to tell you the truth, I suspect many cold fusion experiments, out there, are fact chemical reaction .So in order to separate the wheat from the chaff, if you will, you also really need to look for other key signatures. So, one of the things that we found from our actual cold fusion experiments, and it’s a difficult measurement to make, you will see often you’ll see soft x-ray, from the reaction. Of course, in virtually all these cold fusion experiments they are inside a container that will absorb the soft x-rays. The other thing that you’ll see when a cold fusion experiment, goes sideways, or you don’t have a enough atoms in the process, you can see some gamma rays from time to time come from these experiments and this type of radiation can’t come from classic chemistry. In terms of the overcoming the Coulomb barrier the atoms are held very tightly held together. I would refer you to some the work that Peter Hagelstein has done from MIT, and he has gone through just an extensive amount of research, analysing cold fusion experiments and coming up with what appears to be a pretty unified theory of how one can overcome these, almost impossible, barriers to creating this effect. So I agree and I was a sceptic, a very strong sceptic of cold fusion up until this point when, years ago, at Lawrence Livermore we were going through the data with some of the scientists from Livermore, and it was the scientists at Livermore who had to convince me, that what we were doing was actually cool fusion, so I hope that answers your question.

GK: Thanks Scott

SCOTT: Well, yes it does. That is good information I can follow up on thank you.

GK: Yeah great. (35’08) That was a great point I think also, as a follow to up to what Scott was saying, you know, at some level the accepted view in the general scientific community is exactly as he described is it. ‘Cold fusion is not possible’. I guess cutting edge stuff folks at your level see it differently?

CC: Yes, that’s right there are top scientists out there, at top institutions, like MIT and Livermore that believe it is absolutely possible within the rules of physics.

GK: Are you then Chris are you optimistic in the long run the big picture? So much of the news is bad. What’s happening to the planet? Doesn’t seem to away out? There’s so much that since be going wrong are you genuinely optimistic if some of these things to come fruition?

CC: Oh absolutely. We’re just on the verge, of absolutely new technological revolution, with all of these technologies, and you’ll often see a great deal of pessimism shortly before a new renaissance. I see a whole new Renaissance in science and technology coming out at full gale force. And it will take economics professors in Wall Street by surprise. The cost for achieving these breakthroughs in science are dropping rapidly as we see exponential computational technology aid folks, in private laboratories around the world, who have very little resources, but suddenly have access to powerful technologies to help push edge of science further.

GK: We have about a minute left. Jeremy, I wanna give you chance to tell us what you’re working on and what comes next. We have links to your extraordinarybeliefs.com website and also to Chris sights, and I hope listen sceptical will check those out… (37’42)

JC: So, I’m speaking at the International UFO conference with the Jacque Vallee, definitely check that out. And then I’ll be speaking at Contact which is a really cool thing, in my neck of the woods. Definitely check those out; I would encourage everyone to go to Chris’s websites. What I’ve seen Chris achieve, and what I’ve seen him do as an incredible scientist is unparalleled, sometimes it looks like magic, sceptic or not we invite you all go to Chris’s websites, learn about what he’s doing and try to become part of this solution. And so that’s my last word. Thanks for having me on. Chris, go ahead.

CC: Well thank you so much also for having me on. It’s been a real pleasure for the last three hours, and I would encourage everyone to check out Jeremy’s documentary work. He is an extraordinary film and cinematographer, the work he puts together is extraordinary.

GK: Chris thanks for being here… (38’58”)

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