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    UFOs on Missile Launch Tests at Vandenberg- Anon Witness Reports to NUFORC

    Nice to see another bit of confirmation of this

    http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/128/S128388.html

    Occurred : 6/1/1968 (Entered as : 1968)
    Reported: 7/9/2016 9:08:17 AM 09:08
    Posted: 7/15/2016
    Location: Vandenberg AFB, CA
    Shape: Cigar
    Duration:30 minutes (each)
    Sightings during official launches of missiles at Vandenberg AFB 1965 to 1978.

    I am now a 73 years old male, who, for over 15 years, worked in the Aerospace industries at Vandenberg AFB, in the early years of missile activity, from 1965 through 1978, Delco & Santa Barbara Research Center, in Goleta, CA.

    It’s getting to be late in life, for me and I have little to lose any more, so I have decided to discuss my experiences while at Vandenberg, pertaining to UFOs.

    As an Employee of Convair, MAB5, involved with the Atlas D & F series, launch facilities, with access to Bldg. 7000, I have been included in many conversations where UFOs were discussed. I have witnessed several incidents, while launching Atlas D missiles from South Vandenberg (Point Arguello), LF04 & LF05.

    Most of my tenure, at VAFB, was while it was the designated Western Test Range and part of the Strategic Air Command, or, SAC. While it was Military, most of the locals received critical launch activity reports from various locations all over Lompoc and Vandenberg Villiage, where most of us worked. Because of my work with the rehab of the launch facilities after a launch, I knew of the upcoming schedules and was cleared for the Fallback areas during launches, for both Atlas and Thor missiles.

    On many occasions, I was allowed to view the launches using the “Big Eye”, a 4400mm telescope, and, later, view the Range Camera data, at Bldg. 7000.

    The “Big Eye” was used to receive immediate sight data to verify the flight profile for each missile launch. During the Thor launches, it was imperative that the BlueStreak (much smaller missile used for gathering exhaust gases data for analysis by Douglas Aircraft to improve the main engines). While viewing some of the launch films, it was quite common to see UFO activity paralleling the flight. Given that for many of these years, the Thor was considered the fastest ICBM that we had, on launch.

    The BlueStreak was a small, extremely fast, single stage missile used strictly for gathering various data about the missile flight. It was fired T+10, into the exhaust trail, in the case of the Thor, to within 1,000 yards of the missile. On many occurrences, UFOs were seen to “catch” the BlueStreak, track with it, then speed up and “catch” the Thor missile, tracking it for a brief time, then speed away at a terrific speed.

    One thing about the launch radar units of the day: These radar units were capable of tracking at speeds of up to 10,500 m/h. In fact, they were used to find and identify the, at that time, Top Secret flights of the SR-71, when notified of it passing through the Hawaiian Air Space, insuring that it stayed in the flight lane it was authorized for, and it flew at a reasonable speed of 3,500 mph plus. I mention the radar capability to address the flight of the UFOs….the radar couldn’t track beyond the max speed. The increase in speed was immediate and it was extraordinarily fast, outrunning both missiles.

    At the time, the launch films were classified as Secret. If they still exist, they would likely be held wherever SAC stored such data, after turning the base over to NASA. All of the film data is analog, not digital.

    A comment on the film, “Out of the Blue”, where it describes an incident at VAFB where a UFO supposedly shot lasers at, and disrupted, what appeared to be a Titan Delta flight; I was at VAFB at the time of the first Titan augmented flights and no such incident happened that I was aware of.

    During my time at VAFB, I was a Mechanical Designer for Convair Division of General Dynamics. I also worked for Regional Communications, GTE and General Electric on various contracts to SAC. While at Delco and Santa Barbara Research Center (Division of Hughes), I worked on the design teams for the F16 Highspeed Fire Controller and, for SBRC, the Thermal Camera enclosure for LANDSAT IV.


    ((NUFORC Note: Date above is approximate, and represents several sightings. We spoke via telephone with the source of the report, and he sounded to us to be quite sober-minded. We suspect that he is an excellent witness, and a highly reliable reporter of fact. We have invited him to attempt to reconstruct the actual dates of the multiple events he was involved with, or witness to, during his assignment to Vandenberg AFB. PD


    ((NUFORC Note: Witness indicates that the date is approximate. PD))

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    Interesting.

    Confirmation of UFO activities at Vandenburg but he specifically denies knowledge of the "Big Sur" incident.

    IMO, Jacobs and Mannsmen's corroboration seems strong evidence. Jacobs testimony is particularly powerful as was his rebuke of Bill Nye for his aspersions.

    Those interested may read Jacobs' personally written account: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigsur.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wansen View Post
    Interesting.

    Confirmation of UFO activities at Vandenburg but he specifically denies knowledge of the "Big Sur" incident.

    IMO, Jacobs and Mannsmen's corroboration seems strong evidence. Jacobs testimony is particularly powerful as was his rebuke of Bill Nye for his aspersions.

    Those interested may read Jacobs' personally written account: http://www.ufocasebook.com/bigsur.html
    The story of the film shot in Big Sur was quite inspirational, very believable.
    The frequently shown animation, purportedly recreating the film Jacobs shot (showing the UFO shooting light beams at the rocket, just prior to destruction), was very exciting.
    Major Mannsman did make some compelling written statements.
    After I first heard the story, some years ago, I noted the address shown in the letterhead of the memo signed by Mannsman.
    Since he lived in a city only a few hours away, I made the drive out to a ranch on Jensen Ave., in Fresno California, only to discover he had passed away (been awhile; as I recall it was natural causes/old age. No foul play suspected) shortly before the story broke.
    Sadly depriving me of the chance for a first hand interview, to corroborate Jacobs story and verify the memos.

    While it is possible this new anon witness was simply unaware of the incident (Jacobs didn't even realize it, until he was later shown the film), it seems to be another missed opportunity to verify Jacobs story beyond the written statements of a deceased witness.

    Does anon's lack of knowledge of this well known event cast doubt on his claims of insider knowledge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by calikid View Post
    The story of the film shot in Big Sur was quite inspirational, very believable.
    The frequently shown animation, purportedly recreating the film Jacobs shot (showing the UFO shooting light beams at the rocket, just prior to destruction), was very exciting.
    Major Mannsman did make some compelling written statements.
    After I first heard the story, some years ago, I noted the address shown in the letterhead of the memo signed by Mannsman.
    Since he lived in a city only a few hours away, I made the drive out to a ranch on Jensen Ave., in Fresno California, only to discover he had passed away (been awhile; as I recall it was natural causes/old age. No foul play suspected) shortly before the story broke.
    Sadly depriving me of the chance for a first hand interview, to corroborate Jacobs story and verify the memos.

    While it is possible this new anon witness was simply unaware of the incident (Jacobs didn't even realize it, until he was later shown the film), it seems to be another missed opportunity to verify Jacobs story beyond the written statements of a deceased witness.

    Does anon's lack of knowledge of this well known event cast doubt on his claims of insider knowledge?
    You be the judge.
    I agree on the Big Sur story, Jacobs and Mannsman's corroboration seem quite solid.

    It's unfortunate that Mannsman passed away, that could have been a golden opportunity for you, still, I applaud your efforts to learn the truth.

    You bring up the excellent point that even Jacobs didn't know about the incident so it makes perfect sense that this new anon witness wouldn't either. Jacobs' fiery indignation at Nye's ignorant skepticism (on Larry King) was thoroughly warranted (IMO), and I like the 'cut of his jib'.
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    John F. Waskiewicz a Mufon Research specialist/Physics has a 26 page PDF study and analysis of the Big Sur.

    Here is the link for view or download.

    http://www.nicap.org/reports/6409XXb...Waskiewicz.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by atmjjc View Post
    John F. Waskiewicz a Mufon Research specialist/Physics has a 26 page PDF study and analysis of the Big Sur.

    Here is the link for view or download.

    http://www.nicap.org/reports/6409XXb...Waskiewicz.pdf
    Many thanks!!!

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    Talk about your smoking gun.

    Can't help but wonder.
    Where the heck did the original film ended up?

    Ppl at NORAD/SAC must have had to rethink defense strategies after viewing it. An unknown presence that can literally fly circles around a ballistic missile? Breathtaking.

    Recreation/Animation of Jacobs account.
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