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    I agree John Lear isn’t reliable I don’t buy it.
    Ron via Dan Smith via Grant Cameron said it was a hoax - Sours grapes and I think Dan Smith is a time waster.

    What is incredible is we have a NY Times article they took months to mull this over before they were certain about it and printed it. We have a Senator, Chris Mellon and Luis Elizondo and the pilot all vouching for this and still people are calling it a hoax.
    People who still have a problem now have lost their grip on reality, and will call anything a hoax, because we now have clips with an impeccable pedigree and very highly well placed people vouching for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newyorklily View Post
    I don't really trust John Lear. He says the moon landing was a hoax and that's not true (and we have proof).

    The "UFO man at the CIA" (Ron Pandolfi?), might just be jealous that he wasn't involved in this breaking news.

    I think we should also keep in mind that there may still be people on the inside who do not want this information to come out (for many and various reasons). It's best to know and verify the source of information.

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    I don't either, he's come out with some spectacular story's. But give him credit for his experience, and "being connected" all right.

    What bothers me, was not so much the messenger, but is there any truth to his assertions??

    Myself, I see this recent disclosure as being the thin edge and expect nothing more than "much more to come" ...bring it!

    If this disclosure gains any traction...being; "Forewarned is Forearmed" its CYA!

    Please let me know if anyone has knowledge of; that the voice on the, "it's rotated" video been confirmed whereby the pilot has "come forth" and stated; "yes, that is me"? I checked many sites but could not get a straight answer so it seems.
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  3. #163
    This recent article with David Fravor seems to have new details...
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/sc...b0be28412422da

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    Interesting this post by Grant Cameron really spurned something on Monday

    Interesting post from Dan Smith (Ron Pandolfi's unofficial spokesman) on Open Minds today. Cast of characters Footmann=Ron Pandolfi and Princess=Aliyah Pandolfi.
    "And this is not a solo act. There are three of us. I have the truth of the Kingdom. Princess has the key to the Kingdom. Footmann..... is our foot soldier. He is in the chain of command...... he is point man, he rides shotgun, if you will.
    The opening salvo of our campaign has been fired. It was the shot heard ‘round the world...... our Grey Lady (NYTs) has opened Pandora’s Box.
    That’s all, folks. The trap has been set. The honey pot has been set out. The bees are already on the scent. Are we talking months or years? We may be talking weeks."


    Dr Eric Davis, one of Hal Puthoff's colleagues started replying...

    Pandolfi and his mentally ill Twit-Bird Dan Smith had no role in The NY Times article or in Luis Elizondo’s AATIP program at the DoD. My boss and I were subcontractors to BAASS which was the contractor of record to the Luis’ program. Nobody associated with the program wanted anything to do with Pandolfi before and after he left the CIA. He had a very bad reputation within the IC.

    ...Hal is my boss. I’m his Chief Science Officer at the Inst. for Advanced Studies at Austin (division of EarthTech Int’l, Inc.). So I’ll be doing TTSA research projects on advanced physics should they raise the money to fund it and the other projects they plan to do.


    When Grant suggests that Semivan may have been introduced to the Ufo story by Pandolfi...

    That is a false story. Jim Semivan doesn’t run the TTSA and he stayed very far away from Pandolfi because Pandolfi had a very bad reputation as a malevolent actor within the CIA.

    More info on Dr Eric Davis

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric_Davis6
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...sium_n_3620126
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    Dr Davis continues

    Grant, you expend a great deal of time on Pandolfi and Smith. Their unfounded claims and assertions OR the unfounded claims and assertions made by others about them are nothing but a diversion of your research efforts away from Presidential UFOs. You’ve fallen into the same trap that many other investigators have fallen into since the 1980s. This is what Jacques Vallée warns against in his series of books, Forbidden Science, whereby serious investigators like yourself get pulled into following dead-end “do-loops” where no real data exists which prevents you from following the real UFO data in your investigations on Presidential UFOs.

    He talks about one possible avenue for research...

    Those are the traversable wormholes that are predicted by Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity. They are not black holes or modified black holes. They have no event horizon or singularity which makes them perfectly traversable. They are macroscopic and require negative vacuum energy to produce them. We produce a form of negative vacuum energy in very minute, feeble quantities in the lab today. The technological challenge is to scale up the amount of negative vacuum energy to produce a man-sized wormhole.

    See:
    https://www.space.com/30829-scientis...-wormhole.html
    https://www.space.com/21721-warp-dri...holes-ftl.html
    https://www.space.com/22541-wormhole...el-theory.html
    https://www.nbcnews.com/science/have...ime-8C11003618
    https://www.livescience.com/39159-ti...-wormhole.html
    https://www.scribd.com/mobile/docume...c-Neighborhood


    In another reply

    ...Elizondo made arrangements with the Navy and a program office within the UnderSecDef for Intelligence to release the F-18 FLIR videos.


    To another question

    Yes, the US Navy, Naval Intelligence, and all of the fighter pilots interviewed by a Naval investigation into the encounters have confirmed the reality of the FLIR videos including the associated radar data. This data was stored in a program office’s archives. The data got declassified and released to the public. But chain of custody remains classified to prevent tipping off foreign enemies on the identities of intelligence personnel, their assigned offices, specific intelligence programs that were involved, and technology content origin the data itself. So no, chain of custody will likely never be revealed to protect highly sensitive sources and methods. This is standard military-intelligence protocol. No mystery here because the Federation of American Scientist’s Secrecy News newsletter publishes reports and analysis and government documents that describes all of the rules and regulations involved with anything that is classified secret or higher.

    Finally ne ends with...

    More FLIR videos are to be released but I have no idea when that will be

  6. #166
    Very interesting article here connecting NASA, NIDS, Eric Davis and Bigelow

    http://undergroundresearchinitiative...ffiliated.html

    Interestingly according to the article:

    'Dr. Davis obtained a PhD in Astrophysics in 1991 from the University of Arizona. He co-founded the NASA-JSC's (Johnson Space Center) Advanced Deep Space Transport Technology Assessment Group. He is also the author of numerous speculative peer-reviewed papers on wormholes, warp drive, quantum teleportation, and other advanced propulsion studies. And, as referred to earlier, he co-edited a book on the research findings from NASA’s Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Project before funding for ongoing work was cancelled in 2002. '
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  7. #167
    Anybody who paid any attention at the old OMF to Dan Smith and Pandolfi knows that the best way to discover the truth is to ignore each and every word they say.

    It's that simple: if you want the truth, don't listen to either of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Longeyes View Post
    Dr Davis continues

    <snip>
    In another reply

    ...Elizondo made arrangements with the Navy and a program office within the UnderSecDef for Intelligence to release the F-18 FLIR videos.


    To another question

    Yes, the US Navy, Naval Intelligence, and all of the fighter pilots interviewed by a Naval investigation into the encounters have confirmed the reality of the FLIR videos including the associated radar data. This data was stored in a program office’s archives. The data got declassified and released to the public. But chain of custody remains classified....

    <SNIP>


    Finally ne ends with...

    More FLIR videos are to be released but I have no idea when that will be
    Good find. I've spent a great deal of time trying to nail down the film's "chain of custody" without success.
    Not sure I can be satisfied without a FEW more details.
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  9. #169
    One of the main points of contention remains the video that was released.

    According to the Washington Post, Elizondo said he had gone through the proper - but classified - channels to have the video declassified.

    But it was already available on the website of a German CGI company since 2007 (as Isaac Koi had already pointed out on Facebook).

    Read more at http://www.openminds.tv/nimitz-ufo-v...dead-end/41459
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    Joe Rogan Experience #1029 - Tom DeLonge

    The show must go on - mustn't it?

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