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    I am not a fan of copy and paste when it exceeds , say , a paragraph .

    But I love and respect Jon Rappoport , a one man army and air force , to bring down the CDC , FMA , WHO and Big Pharma . Let alone the strange(love) Dr A. Fauci .

    And his latest offering talks directly to the subject areas we are looking at , imho :-

    Does wearing a mask cause diagnostic tests to read false-positive for COVID?

    Suppose one of the most intense "safety practices"---wearing a mask---actually inflates the number of COVID diagnoses?

    Needless to say, it would be a bombshell. Suppose PCR and antibody tests turn out false positive results because people are wearing masks every day?

    How is that possible?

    Actually, it's quite simple. A person wearing a mask is breathing in his own germs all day long. He breathes them out, as he should, but then he breathes them back in.

    It seems evident that this unnatural process would increase the number and variety of germs circulating and replicating in his body; even creating active infection.

    Along with this, a decrease in oxygen intake, which occurs when a mask is worn, would allow certain germs to multiply in the body---germs which would otherwise be routinely wiped out or diminished in the presence of an oxygen-rich environment.

    Here's the key: Both the PCR and antibody tests are known for registering false-positive results, since they cross-react with germs which have nothing to do with the reason for the test.

    If wearing a mask increases the number and variety of germs replicating in the body, and also increases the chance of developing an active infection...then the likelihood of a false-positive PCR or antibody test is increased.

    In other words, masks would promote the number of so-called COVID cases. This would, of course, have alarming consequences.

    People labeled "COVID" face all sorts of negative consequences. I don't have to spell them out.

    In past articles, I've shown that both PCR and antibody tests DO register false-positives because they react with irrelevant germs.

    For example, let's consider the PCR: From the World Health Organization (WHO): "Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) technical guidance: Laboratory testing for 2019-nCoV in humans":

    "Several assays that detect the 2019-nCoV have been and are currently under development, both in-house and commercially. Some assays may detect only the novel virus [COVID] and some may also detect other strains (e.g. SARS-CoV) that are genetically similar."

    Translation: Some PCR tests register positive for types of coronavirus that have nothing to do with COVID---including plain old coronas that cause nothing more than a cold.

    From a manufacturer of PCR test kit elements, Creative Diagnostics, "SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Multiplex RT-qPCR Kit":

    "...non-specific interference of Influenza A Virus (H1N1), Influenza B Virus (Yamagata), Respiratory Syncytial Virus (type B), Respiratory Adenovirus (type 3, type 7), Parainfluenza Virus (type 2), Mycoplasma Pneumoniae, Chlamydia Pneumoniae, etc."

    Translation: Although this company states the test can detect COVID, it also states the test can read FALSELY positive if the patient has one of a number of other irrelevant viruses in his body. What is the test proving, then? Who knows? Flip a coin.

    Now let's consider the antibody test---

    Business Insider, April 3, 202: "Some tests have demonstrated false positives, detecting antibodies to much more common coronaviruses."

    Science News, March 27: "Science News spoke with...Charles Cairns, dean of the Drexel University College of Medicine, about how antibody tests work and what are some of the challenges of developing the tests."

    "Cairns: 'The big question is: Does a positive response for the antibodies mean that person is actively infected, or that they have been infected in the past? The tests need to be accurate, and avoid both false positives and false negatives. That's the challenge'."

    That's just a sprinkling of sources on both the PCR and antibody tests---revealing that both of these tests DO spit out false-positive results. Many of those false-positives are the result of cross reactions with irrelevant germs.

    And as I stated at the top of this article, if wearing masks increases the number and variety of germs circulating and replicating in the body, then it's quite likely that masks will, in fact, contribute to false diagnoses of COVID.

    Now, we come to a different angle on this story. Everyone is aware that governors and other politicians are ramping up orders to wear masks to new insane levels. If indeed this order will result in more diagnosed COVID cases...

    How can we avoid looking at the financial incentives?

    It turns out that the states are receiving federal money for EVERY COVID case.

    The reference here is Becker's CFO Hospital Report, April 14, 2020, "State-by-state breakdown of federal aid per COVID-19 case":

    "HHS recently began distributing the first $30 billion of emergency funding designated for hospitals in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act..."

    "Below is a breakdown of how much funding per COVID-19 case each state will receive from the first $30 billion in aid. Kaiser Health News used a state breakdown provided to the House Ways and Means Committee by HHS along with COVID-19 cases tabulated by The New York Times for its analysis."

    "Alabama
    $158,000 per COVID-19 case

    Alaska
    $306,000

    Arizona
    $23,000

    Arkansas
    $285,000

    California
    $145,000

    Colorado
    $58,000

    Connecticut
    $38,000

    Delaware
    $127,000..."

    The article goes on to list every state and the money it will receive for EACH DIAGNOSED COVID CASE.

    If mask wearing increases the likelihood of a COVID diagnosis, then: those states forcing new widespread mask dictates will be multiplying their federal $$$.

    And if you really want to cover the bases, every method of fake case-counting will have the same ballooning $$$ effect for the states.

    ALL the so-called containment measures---masks, quarantine, isolation, distancing, lockdowns, economic destruction---bring on fear, stress, loneliness...lowering immune-system function...leading to more infections...which means more germs replicating in the body...which means more false-positive COVID diagnostic tests...and more human destruction...and more $$$ for the states.
    SOURCE:

    beckershospitalreview[dot]com/finance/state-by-state-breakdown-of-federal-aid-per-covid-19-case.html END OF !

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    At the risk of repeating myself, there were 176 deaths in Miami yesterday.
    Regardless of the testing results, those people died of COVID-19.
    That was a record day for deaths.
    Wearing masks, social distancing, avoiding large gatherings, contact tracing and quarantining has been PROVEN to reduce infection rates.
    Look at NYC and other hot-spots that are seeing MAJOR reductions after implementing these protocols.
    The cities that are now new hot-spots should disregard the positive results/methods because Mr Rappoport (NOT a medical profession by the way) says so?
    While you are certainly entitled to your opinion (applaud your taking the time to research, Raymondo. But I'm reaching different conclusions), I will take my chances following the recommendations of the best Immunologist and Infectious Disease professionals in the USA (and possibly the world) over an investigative reporter.
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    Matters are not going well in Florida and Texas --- the two biggest likely swing states for the November election . My oh my . Another pesky coincidence .

    But the figures are so unbelievable that the Florida Governor , De Santis , has called for an investigation into why people who tested positive have never even taken any sort of test . Let alone a system for recording fatalities that lists
    anybody and everybody who has stopped breathing , like the crashed and mangled motor cyclist , and elderly who simply looked as though they might have a few of the danger symptoms .

    "Mark 'em all as Covid ", was the cry that rang out .

    That sure sounds like a scientific process for getting at the truth .

    As for Fauci . Explain this :-
    The Virology Journal – the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health – published what is now a blockbuster article on August 22, 2005, under the heading – get ready for this – “Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.” Write the researchers, “We report…that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

    This means, of course, that Dr. Fauci has known for 15 years that chloroquine and it’s even milder derivative hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) will not only treat a current case of coronavirus (“therapeutic”) but prevent future cases (“prophylactic”). So HCQ functions as both a cure and a vaccine. In other words, it’s a wonder drug for coronavirus.

    Very strange ( Love ) .

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    Published to The Liberty Beacon from EuropeReloaded.com
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  5. #115
    A few references showing HDQ is effective in inhibiting SARS-CoV- 2 infection.

    Dr Fauci , WHO and Lancet have publicly withdrawn their claims to the contrary .


    References
    1.Wang, M. et al. Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro. Cell Res. 30, 269–271 (2020).


    2.Holshue, M. L. et al. First case of 2019 novel coronavirus in the United States. N. Engl. J. Med. https://doi.org/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191 (2020).


    3.Weniger, H. Review of side effects and toxicity of chloroquine. Bull. World Health 79, 906 (1979).


    4.McChesney, E. W. Animal toxicity and pharmacokinetics of hydroxychloroquine sulfate. Am. J. Med. 75, 11–18 (1983).
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    5.Mauthe, M. et al. Chloroquine inhibits autophagic flux by decreasing autophagosome-lysosome fusion. Autophagy 14, 1435–1455 (2018).
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    6.Savarino, A. et al. New insights into the antiviral effects of chloroquine. Lancet Infect. Dis. 6, 67–69 (2006).

    7.Mingo, R. M. et al. Ebola virus and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus display late cell entry kinetics: evidence that transport to NPC1+ endolysosomes is a rate-defining step. J. Virol. 89, 2931–2943 (2015).

    8.Zheng, N., Zhang, X. & Rosania, G. R. Effect of phospholipidosis on the cellular pharmacokinetics of chloroquine. J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 336, 661–671 (2011).
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    9.Ohkuma, S. & Poole, B. Fluorescence probe measurement of the intralysosomal pH in living cells and the perturbation of pH by various agents. Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 75, 3327–3331 (1978).
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    10.Popert, A. J. Choloroquine: a review. Rheumatology 15, 235–238 (1976).
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    11.Laaksonen, A. L., Koskiahde, V. & Juva, K. Dosage of antimalarial drugs for children with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis and systemic lupus erythematosus. A clinical study with determination of serum concentrations of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Scand. J. rheumatol. 3, 103–108 (1974).CAS

    12.Huang, C. et al. Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China. Lancet 395, 497–506 (2020).
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    Looks like a lot of the research you quoted Raymondo was conducted in 2005, that's 15 year old research.
    And it appears to be mainly targeted to SARS, Not COVID19.

    It does appear more extensive double blind studies (the anti-malaria drug HCQ vs Placebo) were recently conducted in 2020 that not only concluded HCQ was ineffective in treating COVID19 in the early stages, it could also produce a dangerous/fatal heart arrhythmia.

    While it was initially reported that HCQ performed well in monkey trials inhibiting infection of monkey Kidney cells, the results in human lung cells was not as successful.


    HCQ’s bumpy ride: New study says it can’t block coronavirus infection of lung cells July 25, 2020.
    A paper came out in Nature on July 22 that further underscores earlier [B]studies that show that neither the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine nor chloroquine prevents SARS-CoV-2 – the virus that causes COVID-19 – from replicating in lung cells.....
    .
    ...Since then, HQC has had a bumpy ride. It was initially approved by the FDA for emergency use. The FDA then quickly reversed its decision when numerous reports of deaths caused by heart arrhythmias emerged. That news brought many clinical trials to a halt.
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    HCQ shows no benefit against early, mild Covid-19: Study July 19, 2020.
    New York, July 17 (IANS) Researchers have shown that the famous anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) was ineffective for Covid-19 patients with early and mild symptoms.

    In a randomised trial, published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, the research team from the University of Minnesota (US) found that HCQ did not substantially reduce symptom severity in Covid-19 patients.
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    Excellent that you highlight the point I stressed --- that Fauci and his organisation approved HCQ as effective and safe over 15 years ago .
    Naturally that research then stemmed from the SARS outbreak – caused by coronavirus SARS-CoV ( now SARS -Cov 1) and the NIH researched ( Fauci effectively ) chloroquine and concluded that it was effective at stopping the SARS coronavirus in its tracks. Worth reading that again . That is exactly what it did then and still does .
    Of course this COVID-19 bug is also a coronavirus, labeled SARS-CoV-2. One and Two are genetically related and share 79% of their genomes. Most critically and importantly they both use the same host cell receptor, which is what viruses use to gain entry to the cell and infect the victim.
    So what was safe and obviously relevant then is still just as relevant and safe now and any hint otherwise suggests ignorance or deliberate falsification . Let Fauci et al take their pick .

    TPTB detest HCQ . Not only because it was touted by the President but, far more worrying for them , it makes them next to no cash / profit and ruins the prospect of making trillions from a vaccine which , judging from the patents held by Gates , is probably secretly available right now and just waiting for the right time to publicise .
    No doubt at the height of hysteria after the fake second spike .

    WHO , CDC , FDA and Pharma etc faced this terrible problem once the HCQ cure for the infection in its early stages became available .
    So they set up a research programme that was bound to fail . They did exactly the same with Azithromycin which also profits hugely when used with Zn .
    Their initial research went horribly wrong and was totally discredited and WHO were forced to publicly admit that the research was fraudulent and unbelievably Lancet had to offer a complete retraction .
    Since then research set up under official regulating bodies seems guaranteed to :-
    1.Be based on a scientifically incorrect patients comparison model . OR.
    2 . Uses HCQ with elderly and hospitalised patients rather than with patients who are in the early stages of infection-- nobody advocating the use of HCQ has ever claimed its use is beneficial to patients outside of early infection .OR.
    3. Zinc is not included in patient medication when it is known that efficacy is a function of HCQ + Zn .OR .
    4 HCQ dosage is criminally wrong -- high and hopelessly so versus known and universally accepted protocols . Hence patients dying of heart attacks of one sort or another !!!!!!

    Of course , specialists , consultants and doctors by the thousand and world wide know from their own direct experience that HCQ works brilliantly within the spectrum already alluded to --- early infection , with Zn and at the correct dosage level . No amount of fake WHO linked propaganda will stop them knowing what their own treatments have repeatedly shown . 100% success .

    Next and last, I give you a quick route to some of the detail reports either prepared by Zero Hedge or published on that site .Frankly it is impossible to resist the notion that the WHO and the Fauci gang are criminally insane .Of course Fauci has an appalling track record of major decision blunders - and worse -- stretching back over three decades .
    For every piece of research concluding HCQ has few if any treatment benefits there are many , many more showing direct opposite findings and most significantly from north America , Japan , Brazil , France and India .

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    Fauci and pals will be working flat out to discredit this


    Seaweed Extract Outperforms Remdesivir in Blocking COVID-19 -- reported extensively in the last 48 hours by dozens of sources

    An extract from seaweed has outperformed Remdesivir in ousting COVID-19 during cellular tests, according to new research.

    The research is part of a larger body of research investigating a 'decoy strategy' against viruses such as COVID-19. This strategy works by urging the virus to 'latch' onto decoys rather than healthy human cells, where it then becomes trapped, neutralized and eventually destroyed.

    In the case of COVID-19, the spike protein on the surface of SARS-CoV-2 attaches onto a molecule on the surface of human cells known as the ACE_2 receptor. Once attached, it then inserts its own genetic material inside the cell so it can begin to replicate. Usage of the right decoy would mean that SARS-CoV-2 may be 'distracted' away from human cells and, instead of being able to replicate and cause havoc in the human body, be destroyed. Previous findings have shown thta the strategy works in ousting other viruses like Dengue, Zika and Influenza A.


    For the present findings, researchers from the Center for Biotechnology and Interdisciplinary Studies (CBIS) at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute tested antiviral activity in five compounds. These were three variants of heparin (a common blood thinner) and two fucoidans, extracted from seaweed. All five compounds are long chains of sugar molecules.

    The researchers conducted a dose-response study known as an EC50 with each of the compounds against SARS-CoV-2 in mammalian cells. In the end, they found that seaweed extract RPI-27 had significantly better antiviral effects than Remdesivir. While Remdesivir has an EC50 value of 770 nanomolar, RPI-27 had an EC50 value of around 83 nanomolar (the lower the value, the better).

    "What interests us is a new way of getting at infection," says Professor Robert Linhardt, one of the study's authors. "The current thinking is that the COVID-19 infection starts in the nose, and either of these substances could be the basis for a nasal spray. If you could simply treat the infection early, or even treat before you have the infection, you would have a way of blocking it before it enters the body."

    From Labroots and taken from https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0724104228.htm

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    Seems the origins of the "Faucci has known for 15 years...." was reported by "One News Now", a website operated by American Family Associaion. A Christian fundamentalist nonprofit run by pastor Donald Wildmon.
    The Southern Poverty Law Center classed this political organization as an anti-LGBTQ hate group.
    Facebook flagged it false news.

    The story was recently reviewed on a fact checking website, complete with references.

    Below are a few of the highlights.
    First: The article relies on a 2005 study about the effect of chloroquine on Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, more commonly called SARS. Chloroquine is chemically similar to hydroxychloroquine, but it is a different drug and is primarily used to treat malaria. Both drugs pose risks for people with heart problems.

    The One News Now story claims the journal that published the study is "the official publication of Dr. Fauci’s National Institutes of Health." That’s inaccurate.

    While the 2005 study has been indexed by the NIH’s National Library of Medicine, it was published in the peer-reviewed Virology Journal. The journal is produced by BioMed Central, a United Kingdom-based for-profit publisher. The study’s authors worked for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal, and the study was funded by grants from the Canadian Institutes of Health Research.

    We reached out to the NIH for more context, but we haven’t heard back.

    Second: The study does not suggest that hydroxychloroquine could be effective at treating or preventing COVID-19, as One News Now claims.

    "HCQ functions as both a cure and a vaccine," the website wrote. "In other words, it’s a wonder drug for coronavirus."

    This is inaccurate — there is no cure or vaccine for SARS or the novel coronavirus. While some studies have found that hydroxychloroquine could mitigate some of the symptoms associated with COVID-19, other research has found no such effect. With more than 50 studies in the works, as well as an NIH clinical trial, it’s too soon to say whether the drug is a viable treatment for the coronavirus.

    The 2005 study found that chloroquine — not hydroxychloroquine — was "effective in inhibiting the infection and spread of SARS CoV," the official name for SARS. The research was conducted in "cell culture conditions," meaning the drug was not administered to actual SARS patients. The authors wrote that more research was needed on how the drug interacts with SARS in animal test subjects.

    "Cell culture testing of an antiviral drug against the virus is only the first step, of many steps, necessary to develop an antiviral drug," said Kate Fowlie, a press officer for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in an email. "It is important to realize that most antivirals that pass this cell culture test hurdle fail at later steps in the development process."

    Finally: Fauci could not have known in 2005 that hydroxychloroquine was a potential treatment for COVID-19. Available evidence shows that the novel coronavirus first emerged in Hubei Province, China, in November.

    While the novel coronavirus is similar to SARS in some respects — both are human coronaviruses that originated in bats, cause respiratory illness and spread through coughs and sneezes — they are different diseases. COVID-19 has infected more than 3.5 million people worldwide compared to the 8,000 who were sickened during the 2003 SARS outbreak. While SARS cases are generally more severe, scientists believe that COVID-19 is more transmissible.

    As One News Now notes, the novel coronavirus and SARS have a 79% genetic similarity and use the same "host cell receptor," meaning they infect people in similar ways. But that doesn’t mean the findings of the 2005 study apply to COVID-19.

    "Whether chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine are of value for treating infections with the different, but related, SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot be answered by the data in the 2005 study," Fowlie said.


    Final Ruling: One News Now wrote that Fauci "has known for 15 years that chloroquine and … hydroxychloroquine will not only treat a current case of coronavirus but prevent future cases."

    The website cited a study that has to do with SARS, not the novel coronavirus. It was published in 2005 in Virology Journal, which is not the "official publication" of the NIH.

    While the study found that chloroquine helped inhibit the spread of SARS in cell cultures, those results do not suggest that the drug is an effective treatment for SARS or COVID-19. As of now, there is no approved treatment or vaccine for either coronavirus.

    The One News Now article is inaccurate.
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    This sounds promising. In separate news conferences, both President Trump & Dr. Faucci made the (long anticipated) announcement.
    The first Phase 3 vaccine trial in the US is expected to begin next week
    By Andrea Kane
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    The first Phase 3 vaccine trial in the US is expected to begin next week

    Much of the world has pinned its hopes on a vaccine as a way out of the Covid-19 pandemic that has infected more than 15 million and killed more than 630,000 people globally.

    The World Health Organization says there are 25 potential coronavirus vaccines in clinical trials internationally.

    Here in the United States, the government has put its money behind several different vaccine candidates through Operation Warp Speed.

    One of those vaccines is being developed by the Vaccine Research Center at the National Institutes of Health's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in partnership with the biotechnology company Moderna. The vaccine is expected to enter Phase 3 testing next week. This phase of the trial is expected to involve 30,000 volunteers and will test whether the vaccine protects people against the coronavirus.
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