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    @Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right? I am under the impression this will be post-fall, you thinking of looping back again or will you let things pan out this time? (I have a suspicion that you looped back into a different scenario this time around, thus you can run into "yourself" on a different run in the same timestream.)

  2. #2192
    Quote Originally Posted by pontificator View Post
    @Fore, The Advisor's reappearance cannot be that many years out now, 4 or less, right? I am under the impression this will be post-fall, you thinking of looping back again or will you let things pan out this time? (I have a suspicion that you looped back into a different scenario this time around, thus you can run into "yourself" on a different run in the same timestream.)
    Fore hasn't been here for over a year now.

    Has anybody heard from him recently?
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  3. #2193
    Quote Originally Posted by Garuda View Post
    Fore hasn't been here for over a year now.

    Has anybody heard from him recently?
    That is a good question... Hope that Fore is okay...

  4. #2194
    Have had a pretty nasty headache and nausea effect since the Friday Christchurch attacks. Since they've started burying them, the effect has mostly dissipated. I've noticed a pretty similar pattern with people who die violent deaths around here, and it is proximity based; I suspect the death-rate on that day intensified the shockwave. Fortunately, nothing came visiting.

    Please note, censorship over NZ way surrounding this event is very hardcore, so I won't say very much more beyond the above observation. It is not legally safe to discuss the actual event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pontificator View Post
    Have had a pretty nasty headache and nausea effect since the Friday Christchurch attacks. Since they've started burying them, the effect has mostly dissipated. I've noticed a pretty similar pattern with people who die violent deaths around here, and it is proximity based; I suspect the death-rate on that day intensified the shockwave. Fortunately, nothing came visiting.

    Please note, censorship over NZ way surrounding this event is very hardcore, so I won't say very much more beyond the above observation. It is not legally safe to discuss the actual event.
    News of the massacre at Christchurch also gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
    Anyone who would carry out such a heinous act in a place of worship, gunning down unarmed men women and children, is a coward in my book.
    Glad he was captured, hopefully he will be punished to the full extent of the law.
    Condolences, I feel your pain.

    As for the NZ news blackout. We see the PM on the news (USA News Media) making statements about the event, so I imagine some details are discussed publicly.
    Why do you think there is news suppression? Fear of copy-cats?
    The online social-media streaming by the perpetrator was certainly a sick perversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calikid View Post
    News of the massacre at Christchurch also gave me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach.
    Anyone who would carry out such a heinous act in a place of worship, gunning down unarmed men women and children, is a coward in my book.
    Glad he was captured, hopefully he will be punished to the full extent of the law.
    Condolences, I feel your pain.

    As for the NZ news blackout. We see the PM on the news (USA News Media) making statements about the event, so I imagine some details are discussed publicly.
    Why do you think there is news suppression? Fear of copy-cats?
    The online social-media streaming by the perpetrator was certainly a sick perversion.
    Although I do not like this particular person's thinking, here is a case in point: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=12214017
    More background: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/...ectid=12214083

    So, to summarise, it is difficult to talk about the subject as the mere act of communicating information is banned. Websites discussing important aspects of the matter have been actively banned (hell, it's an offence to like or retweet a thread with non-violent stills of the video.) I am in communication with people working in one of the major telecommunications centres, they are in active hunt and collect evidence mode; you can look up the list of banned websites if you wish.
    Our newspapers and TV channels are in trouble, and actively avoid talking about important aspects of the case.
    A particularly disturbing aspect, without giving specifics, is that the Government is implementing aspects of the manifesto; the manifesto that cannot be discussed, figuratively torn apart or intellectually analysed in public here. It is a known fact that you never implement a terrorist's demands, and yet here we are; in one example, which is in the public domain, the gun law changes were one of the aims of the attack (in some ways the changes make sense, but in others it is important to take into account that before this attack the laws were made dangerously lax by the current government.) I am aware of aspects of the manifesto, as some people overseas are sensible enough to discuss the contents without quoting, and therefore causing their website to be banned from access here. Hell, theoretically even reading an overseas news story can get someone into trouble here if it contains "objectional" content.

    Just a bit of background to NZ, there are serious problems in this country, but discussion of those problems is actively suppressed. As a result, the problems concerned are more serious than they need to be (the suicide rate being one particularly bad issue, it's simply not talked about [as if that will cause it to go down.] Hell, I had a student who threw himself under a car and died, I had to spend quite a bit of the next day talking with his crying friend, who witnessed it, because he trusted me more than the counsellor.) So, with that in mind, they'll not allow people to actually learn what to keep an eye out for. At the moment NZer's are on a witch-hunt for neo-nazis, people who saw the video, people who know the contents of the manifesto and are talking about it; people are getting fired, the employment relations tribunal has stated this is unjustifiable dismissal, but that's a bit late when people find themselves let go without redundancy pay or the ability to call upon their job insurance as a result.

  7. #2197
    For clarification, there are lots of nasty people out there that are being held to account for spreading that video and the manifesto. In many cases, I really don't have a problem with that; they are examples of what should be stopped. However, it is having a chilling effect that is stopping the country from facing the problem head-on. Where there should be a reasonable discussion, so that this type of event can be stopped in the future, this cannot occur in the current climate; or a future one with the material being fully banned.

    The effect of scaring the populace into not talking about extremely important events can only result in a negative outcome. I personally suspect that if the Holocaust were occurring today, the current laws would suppress the information to the point that no one would understand what it was really all about; beyond "a man caused his country to commit heinous acts. You will see neither photos nor film of the event, to protect the privacy of the victims, but we can name them and show what they were like when they were alive. He also wrote a book which we cannot name or discuss, and created an ideology that no one shall know or recognise."

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