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    Thank you Neverwas, now I understand your concern and what is interesting is the coldness you felt around in the air in this interaction. It would be enlightening to know if you had a before and after synopsis of the person of interest of these occurrences because it would give us a better picture to draw a mental references from. It does suggest an abnormal happening of some sort.

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    The one that I sat with trying to discuss having a conscience with, he had a long history of being very spiritual, sometimes in a good way and sometimes in a not good way, he had some very bad influences in his life.
    There are times when it seemed he was seeking help and then there where times when he seemed to only be around to conn people.
    I had some doubt's and worries about this individual for quiet some time. He was not what I would call stable. Not way out there like some people are really noticeable, he was not that way.
    I seemed to poke something inside him that day when he manifested on me.
    He did not want to talk about having a conscience.
    This incident happened in 2001. It wasn't until 2007 I found out about what it truly meant for someone to be labeled a psychopath. I had dealings with this person again.
    Three rules for dealing with them I learned. I can say them here as this person also had MPD.
    Rule # 1, treat them like they have the plague
    Rule # 2, If you don't adhere to rule #1 you will most likely end up having to use overwhelming superior force of some sort to git rid of them (it)
    Rule # 3 hide
    The closer to the truth the better the lie and the truth itself when it can be used is the best lie.

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    MPD also known as Dissociative Identity Disorder better known as Multiple Personality Disorder is also a rare mental disorder which is form of a coping mechanism of the individual who develops personalities believed to be caused by traumatic events usually in childhood usually extreme, repetitive physical, sexual, and/or emotional abuse. There is a switching mechanism between the individualís personalities that are developed which is triggered by something and the switching could be seconds to days between personalities. In some situations the individual loses time, may go into trances, experience headaches and amnesia, may even experience out of body episodes, sometimes there into harming themselves physically and prone to suicide ideation. They might even consider themselves possessed by demons or angels and even ET.

    Sometimes avoidance of this type of person may be difficult if they are family members. If they are actually a possessed person then you must look for some type of supernatural event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atmjjc View Post
    MPD also known as Dissociative Identity Disorder better known as Multiple Personality Disorder is also a rare mental disorder which is form of a coping mechanism of the individual who develops personalities believed to be caused by traumatic events usually in childhood usually extreme, repetitive physical, sexual, and/or emotional abuse. There is a switching mechanism between the individual’s personalities that are developed which is triggered by something and the switching could be seconds to days between personalities. In some situations the individual loses time, may go into trances, experience headaches and amnesia, may even experience out of body episodes, sometimes there into harming themselves physically and prone to suicide ideation. They might even consider themselves possessed by demons or angels and even ET.

    Sometimes avoidance of this type of person may be difficult if they are family members. If they are actually a possessed person then you must look for some type of supernatural event.
    Most of the above fits this person, I haven't seen him in 3-4 years. He was getting worse mentally, years ago he could hold things together. I do know people who hear from him occasionally, it's been several months since they said anything about him calling them. They grew up with him. I do know he and part of his family where involved with messing with some pretty "not good" supernatural practices. Lord knows what else went on when he was a child. I and my friends have heard things, whether they where true or not, I'm not sure.

    As far as the frozen air feeling I've felt it 3 other times, once was in a graveyard with a new burial in it.
    I've been in other graveyards and never felt that. I avoid them now. It was creepy, like a spirit was reaching out.
    Another time was when we knocked on the persons door that had the black eyes and was preaching something strange and somewhat incoherent.

    Then there was a time when an Ex. and I went to check on his brother who was an extreme drug addict.
    He was passed out, in a deep sleep. It was extremely cold around him. My ex got him up, I'm not all sure what happened after that as I was sent back out to the car. He was ok, his brother made sure he got some help after that. I know what happened worried my ex. pretty bad. I do believe his brother had an extremely nasty "spirit" on him that manifested every once and a while through the years after this incident.
    The closer to the truth the better the lie and the truth itself when it can be used is the best lie.

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    Neverwas, it seems that you might be dealing with some psychic feelings of your own and trying to cope with them. Maybe the dead are trying to communicate to you for some reason or you are experiencing some form of empathy with the people you come in contact with.

    We do have a resident psychic (A99), who may be of help to you or guide you thru the process of assimilation or at least share experiences. I have read one of her predictions in Danís thread in the old OMF which was pretty much correct.

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    atmjjc, I'm not too worried about much of this anymore. I've pretty much closed things down. I do believe that if I really need to know something badly enough I'll get a warning.
    The closer to the truth the better the lie and the truth itself when it can be used is the best lie.

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    In 1949, the Devil came to St. Louis....

    Or at least, if you believe the stories that have been told for the last fifty-odd years, a reasonable facsimile of him did.

    This is the story that has been told for three generations and it is the story that has inspired books, films and documentaries. It is, without question, the greatest unsolved mystery of St. Louis. And, let's face it, a story that has become a confusing and convoluted mess over the years. There are so many theories, legends, tales and counter-stories that have been thrown into the mix that it's become very hard to separate fact from fantasy. So, let's see if we can get to the bottom of what happened in 1949, despite all of the unanswered questions that have been left behind.

    What really happened in Maryland that would drive a family halfway across the country to look for answers? And what happened at the old Alexian Brothers hospital in St. Louis that still has former staff members whispering about it in fear today? And most of all, was this boy really possessed by demon?

    To continue follow the link below.


    http://www.prairieghosts.com/exorcist.html

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    http://www.strangemag.com/exorcistpage1.html

    Strange Magazine has an overview of the case using The Exorcist as jumping off point.

    I have been interested in this case for years. I was frustrated that so little factual material could be found over the years. I would love to know the real story.

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    Ya Doc , the Jesuits are really tight lipped and are known as the Pope’s front line soldiers so I don’t think any new material about this incident will be coming forth soon. There is many witnesses that have signed sworn statements that in their opinion they had witnessed a supernatural event. I think the tally is up to 41 now.

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    Pope 'exorcised two men in the Vatican', claims new book
    Pope Benedict unwittingly performed an exorcism of two men possessed by the Devil in the very heart of the Vatican, according to the Catholic Church's best-known exorcist, Father Gabriele Amorth
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    By Nick Squires, Rome
    4:18PM GMT 06 Feb 2012


    In a new book, Father Amorth, the exorcist for the diocese of Rome, gives a bizarre account of how he and two assistants brought a pair of "possessed" Italian men to one of the Pope's weekly audiences in St Peter's Square in May 2009.

    In his book, "The Last Exorcist Ė My Fight Against Satan", he claimed the mere presence of the pontiff cured the men of their demonic afflictions.

    Father Amorth said his two female assistants escorted the two men into St Peter's Square as the Pope was driven between crowds of faithful in the white "Popemobile" jeep.

    The women managed to obtain seats for the two men in an area of seating normally reserved for the disabled.

    As the Pope approached them, the men, identified only as Marco and Giovanni, began to act strangely, Father Amorth wrote.

    He described how they trembled and how their teeth chattered.
    When one of the assistants asked Giovanni to control himself, he said "I am not Giovanni" in a voice that was not his own, Father Amorth claimed.

    As soon as the Pope stepped down from the "Popemobile' the two men flung themselves to the floor.
    "They banged their heads on the ground. The Swiss Guards watched them but did nothing," the priest wrote.

    "Giovanni and Marco started to wail at the same time, they were lying on the floor, howling.

    "They were trembling, slobbering, working themselves into a frenzy.

    "The Pope watched from a distance. He raised an arm and blessed the four of them. For the possessed it was like a furious jolt - a blow to their whole bodies - to the extent that they were thrown three metres backwards," he continued.

    "They stopped howling but they cried uncontrollably."

    Father Amorth, who claims to have conducted thousands of exorcisms, wrote: "It is no mystery that the Pope's acts and words can enrage Satan...that simply the presence of the Pope can sooth and in some way help the possessed in their fight against the one who possesses them."

    Federico Lombardi, the Vatican's spokesman, disputed the account, saying Benedict was not aware of the men's afflictions and had not intended to carry out an exorcism.

    Father Amorth is a controversial figure whose outspoken views have embarrassed the Vatican in the past.

    In November he branded yoga as "evil", claiming that it leads to a worship of Hinduism and other Eastern religions based on "a false belief in reincarnation".

    He has also railed against Harry Potter, saying the children's books seem innocuous but in fact encourage children to believe in black magic and wizardry.

    The Devil "studies every one of us and our tendencies towards good and evil," said Father Amorth, whose new book is sub-titled: "It's not me who is frightened of the Devil, it is he who is frightened of me".

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