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    UFOs and the missing evidence

    There are reputable historical accounts that include evidence that was taken away by authorities.

    What missing evidence would you like to see?
    Perhaps a FOIA request?
    Sad when such evidence exists, but the US White House says "we know nothing".

    Let's start it off with astronaut Gordon Cooper.
    He claims (and I have no reason to doubt) that he and a group of photographers were shooting video of training exercises at Edwards AFB in California when a saucer LANDED NEAR THEM. Video of the landing was taken, and he later confirmed it was GOOD video. The film was sent to Washington DC.

    WHERE IS THIS FILM TODAY??? Missing Evidence.

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    The Big Sur UFO video

    Lt Robert Jacobs, military photographer on station in Big Sur, CA photographs an Atlas rocket launch from Vandenburg AFB. The video reveals a UFO flying into frame, AND SHOOTING DOWN THE ROCKET with what appears to be some type of energy beams. We have his name, and his C.O.'s name (Maj Florenz J. Mansmann). He states the video was handed off to CIA government officials.

    WHERE IS THIS FILM TODAY??? Missing Evidence.

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    Sgt James Penniston, of Rendlesham forest fame, stated that while on scene at a UFO incident where he actually touched a UFO, he also shot a roll of film of the object.
    While I enjoyed his testimony and viewing copies of his notes and sketches, I cannot help but wonder if those photographs exist in a drawer marked TOP SECRET.
    Sgt Penniston said that he turned over the film, but was later told the film was bad.

    Not sure I believe the film was bad.
    WHERE IS THIS FILM TODAY??? Missing Evidence.

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    In prerhaps the most famous case, Dr Jesse Marcel Jr, his father, and many other Roswell witnesses made note of an I-Beam engraved with "hieroglyphics", and a sheet of flexible metal that were taken away to military bases.
    WHERE ARE THESE ITEMS TODAY??? Missing evidence.

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    This is a great ideas for a thread, Calikid! Also, some potentially very rewarding research projects for anybody who feels that way inclined. How about this one:

    The Holloman Landing Footage.

    In 1973 documentary film makers; Bob Emenegger and Adam Sandler were invited to Norton AFB and offered official assistance with their film UFOs, Past, Present and Future. They were promised footage showing a UFO landing and contact at Holloman AFB allegedly filmed in 1964. Unfortunately this footage never surfaced.

    Ten years later, in 1983, Linda Howe was offered the same film for inclusion in a documentary she was producing for HBO, once again the footage never materialized.

    In 1988, Bob Emenegger appeared alongside Paul Shartle, former Audio visual director for Norton AFB, on the documentary UFO Cover Up: Live. Amazingly, Paul Shartle claims to have viewed the footage and offered the following description:

    "I saw footage of three disc-shaped crafts. One of the craft landed and two of them went away. It appeared to be in trouble because it oscillated all the way down to the ground. However, it did land on three pods. A sliding door opened, a ramp was extended, and out came three aliens. They were human size. They had odd gray complexions and a pronounced nose. They worn tight-fitting jump suits, thin headdresses that appeared to be communications devices, and in their hands they held a translator, I was told. The Holloman base commander and other Air Force officers went out to meet them."

    More info here: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/Hollowman_AFB_UFOs.html



    WHERE IS THIS FILM TODAY??? Missing evidence.
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    Kecksburg incident
    Mass sighting of a fallen object.
    Reports of an "acorn" shaped UFO with hieroglyphic like etchings being transported away on an Army truck.

    Speculation was that it was a fallen Russian satellite.

    WHERE IS IT NOW? Missing evidence.
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    Aurora Texas May 17, 1897

    Front page news of a spacecraft crashing into a windmill, and plummeting to earth.
    A search of the sealed well, where the debries were toss did not turn up anything.
    But the newspaper did mention the burial of the Alien "Martian Pilot" in the local cemetery.

    The headstone was removed in recent time to discourage would be souvenir hunters. But why the reluctance to legally exhume the body? Missing Evidence.
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    I remember an episode of UFO Hunters that went to Texas to see if they could uncover any evidence. Pat went into the well that supposedly had been where the locals had thrown debris.

    Had it been removed prior to their visit, possibly years earlier?

    More missing evidence?
    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"
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    Varginha UFO incident

    I recall this story, from 1996, initially reported as a "chupacabra" (aka goat sucker) sighting.
    First reports (possibly from firemen) were of a being about 5ft tall, with a large head, big eyes, thin body, brownish skin, and had a terrible odor.
    It appeared unsteady on it's feet, possibly injured or sick.

    Two days later a body was reported discovered on a road side, military trucks dispatched for retrieval were said to have transported the bodies to a hospital for examination.

    If such physical evidence as an alien autopsy exists, where is it today? Missing evidence.
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    It was 1977. The Brazilian island of Colares.
    A flap that included people being chased by UFOs and targeted with powerful light beams that left burns and needle like puncture wounds.

    The Brazilian government launched "Project Saucer" and dispatched a military unit to island. The unit not only interviewed many witnesses, but were ALSO ENGAGED by UFOs. Hundreds, if not thousands of photographs and videos were taken. Thousands of pages of documents, including detailed drawings, were generated.

    Shortly before his death/suicide Captain Hollanda, the office in charge of that unit, gave a 1997 interview.

    Since that time, a fraction of the photos and documents have been released to the public.
    Where is the rest? Missing Evidence.
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