MJ-12 - Real or Not?

[Lee]

Ever since the first reference to MJ-12 appeared in the public domain, controversy has raged over whether the group really existed or not. According to Bob Huff, he was able to receive confirmation that the group existed under that name at one time from several independent sources. The following is excerped from his web site, (http://arioch.us/home/supportin_evidence.htm):

Source #1
Worked with a Naval R&D group at Ft Meade - NSA - in the early and mid-80s. Was inadvertently briefed by MJ12 - he was in mtg he was not suppose to be at when the briefing started.MJ12 attributes include:
- a US-led International group with discretionary distribution of alien information
- Provides technical support to NSA projects
- Read AF docs from the 50's and 60's describing the debris from the Roswell crash
- MJ12 chooses its 'employees'; you cannot apply
- Parts of organization in close proximity to Ft Meade
- Abductions are real
- Aware of near term electromagnetic disruptive Solar events
- May have a mean streak regards inquiring minds Claims the hypersonic AURORA have been flying since 1979.
Claims the hypersonic AURORA have been flying since 1979.

Source #2
Former contractor [ TRW ] with access to extremely sensitive projects. The TRW organization
- based in Reston, VA - specializes in covert surveillance devices.
MJ12 is US Government program that interacts with at least one species of extraterrestrials. MJ12 missions are to manage our interactions with the aliens and to exploit the reversed engineered technology for national purposes. The aliens actively help MJ12 to reverse engineer the technology.
Started in 1947, MJ12 is a NSA program hidden within its 'C' Group. [We both speculated that NSA was established in part to cover MJ12.] Several hundred government workers in accordance with the GS hierarchy make up the MJ12 organization. Source
confirmed that MJ12 recruits it employees against different needs and has some process of potential employee identification and tracking. MJ12 budget is in the multiple billions per year. Though fairly autonomous in its operations, it ultimately reports to a joint committee whose members include the Directors of both the NSA and CIA. The President is not necessarily in the chain.
Some MJ12 facilities are located at Ft. Meade, Northern Virginia, Sandia, Los Alamos, Denver [Buckley Air Force Base], and Los Angeles. As the British are partners [junior?], MJ12 has facilities at Menwith Hill Station, England. Though there are other locations, missions are flown out of Sandia in very special craft. Missions focus on signal intelligence gathered with very exotic technology. Off-Earth capabilities are possible.
Some prime contractors for MJ12 include Lockheed, Boeing, TRW, and TASC.
MJ12 does not directly participate in abductions. Alien abductions of humans were not part of a 'deal'. Source impression was it was for the genetic betterment of the human race.
MJ12 interacts with the aliens in number of different ways: - Live interactions - Radio-like communications
Source had not been briefed on Project Preserve
Destiny but having read the book, believes the account to be true. Though Source does not know of any specific impending natural upheaval, Source has a general fear of such an event.
From a psychological point of view, Source is constantly amazed how individuals who act on behalf of MJ12 can compartment their lives. One example cited was of male seen by Source at a
local restaurant. Apparently when working, this individual flies SIGINT missions aboard very special craft using alien technology. Source was amazed to watch this same individual play with his
children with no hint, of course, of his exposure to entirely new world.
Other bits and pieces: Source knew of Deep Space Probes but Source did not associate it with NSA.
MJ12 is the most highly classified program within the US Government. For the past 50 years the alien-based technology has provided the US with a decisive, strategic advantage in dealing other nations. I would suggest in affect it has FAR exceeded the impact of the British ULTRA on history. One day, the history of the later half of the 20th Century will need to be re-written.
Source #3
Retired AF network and communications specialist. Helped setup some aspects of NORAD’s Network Operations Center (NOC). Knew of MJ12 and NORAD capability to track alien craft.

Source #4
Met a contractor who worked onsite at NRO HQ in Chantilly, VA. The individual worked a specific area and held the appropriate clearances. When asked if there was a MJ12 the individual confirmed the existence of the agency but would reveal no more.

Source #5
A former Navy enlisted man stationed at Ft Meade in the 80's. Was briefed into MJ12. First to cite that MJ12 is a ongoing NSA program hidden away in the 'C Group' corroborated by Source #2. Spoke of the US exploitation of reversed alien technology since the 50's.

Source #6
A former cleared auditor for OMB who 1987 visited MJ12 at Ft. Meade. The individual worked in secure area in the Old Executive building. Here he read and reviewed many US government programs related to Extraterrestrials.

Source #7
Individual is a senior retired AF officer who participated in many black projects. He found the Dan Sherman's 'Project Preserve Destiny' book very plausible and spoke of US studies to manipulate EM mentally. He also thought the principle of noise cancellation could be applied to destroy and/or control weapon systems. His assertions:
- MJ12 is an unacknowledged agency/program headquartered at NORAD
- Been around since at least the 50's
- He referred to the Greys as 'the Visitors'
- It is a composite agency drawing from CIA, NSA, DIA...etc for a very small staffing and a multi- billion dollar budget
- MJ12 exploits and disseminates information of alien origin to other US Government agencies and facilities strategic and tactical military advantages
- Had first hand access to classified information affirming the alien nature of the Roswell crash
- MJ12 spends a lot of money and resources on secure communications [C4I] that could survive an EMP from oh say a massive Solar flare...
- MJ12 is a ruthless bunch
- While at Sandia, read a Top Secret material analysis report of alien debris recovered near Roswell
You assert in your book Project Preserve Destiny that contact with Visitors began in 1947 - the presumption being that Roswell crash was instigator.
Source confirmed the alien nature of the Roswell crash. The individual was high ranking officer working a Sandia National Labs. Specifically he was researching the possibility of using new
materials in the fabrication of nuclear warheads.
While conducting his research in a classified library, he came upon a Top Secret report describing the analysis of the Roswell debris. Though there was no reference to bodies, it did describe the materials properties, the desirability of those properties, and our inability to yet create the materials. Include in the report of was a sketch of a beam with hieroglyphic-like 'writings'. At the time of the report, the symbols were not understood.
In my estimation, given the source's very high rank and areas of responsibility, his 'story' is proof the extraordinary nature of the Roswell crash and, indirectly, another objective verification of your 'story'.
- US has its own flying saucers
Other Stuff
- Been many times to Area 51. While there would be black out period requiring himself and other high ranking officers to locked in a guarded underground room
- Stealth aircraft development benefited from MJ12 supplied materials and processes.
- US nuclear weapons design has benefited from MJ12
- The US has and will assassinate foreign nationals in the US. Upon approval from a special chain of command, special forces will be dispatched to 'execute' the mission
- Thought that some of the alien technology exploitation was conducted by another agency at WPAFB

Source #8
Government employee working network Security issues at the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA). Acknowledge MJ12 but indicated any further discussion would result to an enforced
stay at Ft. Leavenworth (?). Possible connection to NCS.

Source #9
Former Air Force Academy graduate with Ph.D. in mathematics. Holds several patent and has created proprietary algorithms for the Dept of Treasury, Justice and NSA. Also acknowledged MJ12 but again another entity you don't talk about.

Miscellaneous
Discovered that within the CIA's Directorate of Intelligence that there is a SCI coded intelligence source named MAJESTIC. AF COL remarked that MJ12 uses this codeword for
information classification.
See: http://arioch.us/home/supportin_evidence.htm

For those interested in more backround here is Robert James Huff's extensive Resume http://arioch.us/home/docs/rjresumeWeb.htm

[Lee]

Here also is the "My lunch with MJ12" article referenced above:

I will name my source SARGON. SARGON was a contractor briefed into the MJ12 organization. SARGON has now been out both organizations for a year. The summary of our lunch conversation is: MJ12 is US Government program that interacts with at least one species of extraterrestrials.
MJ12 missions are to manage our interactions with the aliens and to exploit the reversed engineered technology for national purposes. The aliens actively help MJ12 to reverse engineer the technology. Started in 1947, MJ12 is a NSA program hidden within its 'C' Group. [We both speculated that NSA was established in part to cover MJ12.] Several hundred government workers in accordance with the GS hierarchy make up the MJ12 organization. SARGON confirmed that MJ12 recruits it employees against different needs and has some process of potential employee identification and tracking.
MJ12 budget is in the multiple billions per year. Though fairly autonomous in its operations, it ultimately reports to a joint committee whose members include the Directors of both the NSA and CIA. The President is not necessarily in the chain.
Some MJ12 facilities are located at Ft. Meade, Northern Virginia, Sandia, Los Alamos, Denver [Buckley Air Force Base], and Los Angeles. As the British are partners [junior?], MJ12 has facilities at Menwith Hill Station, England. Though there are other locations, missions are flown out of Sandia in very special craft. Missions focus on signal intelligence gathered with very exotic technology. Off-Earth capabilities are possible.
Some prime contractors for MJ12 include Lockheed, Boeing, TRW, and TASC. One such TRW facility is located in a SCIF on the third floor of 1895 Preston White Drive in Reston, VA work directly for MJ12. The TRW facility there used to be a corporation named ESL which specialized in covert SIGINT collection.
MJ12 does not directly participate in abductions. Alien abductions of humans were not part of a 'deal'. SARGON impression was it was for the genetic betterment of the human race. MJ12 interacts with the aliens in number of different ways:
+ Live interactions
+ Radio-like communications
SARGON had not been briefed on Project Preserve Destiny but having read the book, believes the account to be true. Though SARGON does know of any specific impending natural upheaval, SARGON has a general fear of such an event. From a psychological point of view, SARGON is constantly amazed how individuals who act on behalf of MJ12 can compartment their lives. One example cited was of male seen by SARGON at a local restaurant. Apparently when working, this individual flies SIGINT missions aboard very special craft using alien technology. SARGON was amazed to watch this same individual play with his children with no hint, of course, of his exposure to entirely new world.
MJ12 is the most highly classified program within the US Government. For the past 50 years the alien-based technology has provided the US with a decisive, strategic advantage in dealing other nations. I would suggest in affect it has FAR exceeded the impact of the British ULTRA on history. One day, the history of the later half of the 20th Century will need to be re - written.
Late Breaking News: Another source KREIG confirms seeing MJ12 in a NSA budget report. Further, that in 1987 KREIG met with MJ12 at Ft Meade.
Source: http://arioch.us/home/my_lunch_with_mj12.htm

[Lee]

In an attempt to verify some of this information I contacted Bob Huff in 2009, his response follows:

---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: RE: Your MJ12 source material
From: "bob" <bob@******.us>
Date: Sun, June 7, 2009 10:29 pm
To: "Lee@******.com"
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Hi Lee,

Interesting seeing some of my earlier posting re-posted.
Since those postings, some new items of possible interest:

- Because a NSA Director from the 1980's is a West Point graduate as I am I
was able to setup an email interchange between he and Dan Sherman, the
author of 'Above Black'. Essentially, the former director denied knowledge
of Sherman's program or MJ-12 - not totally unexpected but was interesting
to watch the interchange.

- On a flight I met an SAIC executive, a retired AF Major General. Before
joining SAIC, his last command was as the deputy commander of NORAD. While
He found the idea of Sherman's 'Project Preserve Destiny' possible I was
particularly intrigued by his comment that he had been 'briefed on Roswell'.
If Roswell was a non-event, what was he briefed on?"

- Met a worker from Rocky Flats - a now closed nuclear bomb facilitation
site in Colorado - who was aware of MJ-12. Workers, who were plutonium
machinists, were sometimes recruited and sent west for two weeks at a time.

- Met a woman who worked at Lockheed Martin's Waterton Canyon site who read
about MJ-12 in a document referencing the use of nuclear power for flight
operations
.
One posting I don't see reference is my encounter with another West Point
graduate who was a former Air Defense Artillery officer. In the early 80's,
he recounted that his Patriot battery Doppler radars would sometimes pick up
extraordinary UFOs. When these events happened, civilians would come to the
battery and download the associated computer data. His battery commander
indicated they were from NORAD and from MJ-12.

Best Regards,

Bob

[calikid]

Hi Lee,

What is your take on the MJ-12 documents?
SOM-1, Briefing docs, etc.

I found Stanton Friedman's book, Top Secret/MAJIC an interesting read.

Do you find the docs credible?

[Lee]

Hi calikid,

That's a big question! Let me get back to you when I have more time.

For now, I'll just say that I think there is a possibility that MJ-12 existed at one time (under that name or possibly another), a few of the documents might be genuine, some are certainly fake.

[Garuda]

Robert and Ryan Wood run the Majestic Documents web site, which has plenty of interesting information on the MJ-12 (and other) documents.

Here's a video of a presentation they did at the 2011 X-Conference that partly covers the topic.

[noot]

That Majestic is real is an artical of faith and point of departure for all committed ufologists. Without that we lose our purpose. Just sayin...

[DeepCut]

noot, nice signature.

I don't think it's as real as an article of faith, but when i think of the definition of faith, perhaps it is that real !

And no-one who is committed to finding out the truth about extraterrestrial visitation here on Earth would lose their purpose if these documents didn't exist, there's plenty of other information around, including excellent witness testimony.

Some of them are certainly fake, they don't have the complex headers nor the language of the military or intelligence-minded.

Then again, perhaps something so 'high-level' wouldn't have the complex headers because the distribution list would be tiny.

Excellent post though Lee, and nice to hear from Bob himself, lots of food for thought.

[Redbone]

My take on the matter is that MJ12 is real and the SOM-1 documents are as well. Stanton Friedman comes across as a trustworthy individual to me. I am also an avid supporter of Colonel Corso. I have read pro's and con's but I lean toward the pros on this one.

[CasperParks]

I suspect that Majestic is and or was real, if Majestic continues today it maybe be in another form.