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    That was the first I heard of it too. I don't recall anywhere else that anyone saw "floating" Aliens or any kind of aliens for that matter.

    Thought that might be an interesting find.
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    Actually, I never heard of or have found anything regarding radar contact by either the US or RAF. That above was the closest I could find. Which is very speculative considering there are "floating" aliens

    To add: If there was any radar evidence, I believe it would of jumped out at any researcher looking into this back when it happened. Unless of couse you want to believe "they" removed the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdverseCamber View Post
    Huh?

    'All' the files?!
    All the files have gone missing. My source is the Ministry of Defense.
    When the MoD released the files to the public, no files about the Rendelsham incident were released because none could be found. Therefore they are missing. Now, missing can mean anything from “reclassified” to “destroyed’. We just don’t know what happened to them.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdverseCamber View Post
    Actually, what’s your source, especially considering the ones I’ve supplied, that the missing files contained any radar data?

    You seem to be implying that because some (NOT "all") of the files are missing that these must contain the data requested when I’ve shown that’s not the case by identifying the files that DID contain the data.
    That's your interpretation. That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying that we have no way of knowing. Read my post again.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdverseCamber View Post
    Have you read this thread (or the released Rendlesham files) at all?
    Do you have files from the MoD on the Rendelsham incident? If you do, I would love to see them.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdverseCamber View Post
    All of which is entirely beside the point anyway as lux made the statement that radar data actually existed, unless of course you’re asserting he was mistaken?
    My interpretation is that lux is talking about verbal reports by witnesses. I'm more interested in written radar reports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calikid View Post
    "...they had even seen aliens floating in beams of light underneath the spacecraft."

    That's news to me. Never heard of the floating aliens before. Does anyone else recall who may have made this claim?
    I've never heard of a "floating alien" either. The only "floating" that has been mentioned is that some allegedly reported that Jim Penniston either jumped or floated up on to the side of the craft. Jim Penniston denies that this happened.

    As far as "aliens" go, John Burroughs has said, that when he was surrounded by the white light, he saw a face that terrrified him. Burroughs refuses to say that it was a "being" or an "alien".
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    Quote Originally Posted by newyorklily View Post
    All the files have gone missing. My source is the Ministry of Defense.
    When the MoD released the files to the public, no files about the Rendelsham incident were released because none could be found. Therefore they are missing. Now, missing can mean anything from “reclassified” to “destroyed’. We just don’t know what happened to them.
    Quote Originally Posted by newyorklily View Post
    That's your interpretation. That's not what I am saying at all. I am saying that we have no way of knowing. Read my post again.
    Yes we do have a way and some of us do in fact know what was released.

    From the first link you posted:

    Minister's request

    The files reveal that key documentation relating to the Rendlesham Forest incident has disappeared.
    Did you even read it?

    I can’t fathom how you arrived at that conclusion from what was written in that article.

    Quote Originally Posted by newyorklily View Post
    Do you have files from the MoD on the Rendelsham incident? If you do, I would love to see them.
    How can I if your source is the "Ministry of Defence" and you have repeatedly stated that "All the files have gone missing?”

    However, I guess you really can’t tell the people so here you go:

    DETAILS of an alleged UFO sighting near a Suffolk RAF base more than 20 years ago have been released under the Freedom of Information Act. The Rendlesham File is one of the first documents to be released as part of an opening-up of the inner workings of Whitehall. It had previously only been seen by about 20 people, who requested access to it through the American Freedom of Information Act.

    http://www.rense.com/general32/rend.htm
    You’d better tell the Mod they’re wrong.

    Oh wait, there is one other possibility...

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    I stand corrected. Thank you for the documents.
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    Good morning,


    I see before me a most fruitful discussion which is proving most valuable, I would like to thank all of you for assisting and posting.

    To answer the reoccurring question regarding radar data which has been raised I of course have no radar data I hope that can help clear up any misunderstanding that may have resulted from my earlier posting. I do appreciate the number of different sources of information & disinformation available I see many witness statements posted which will result in forthcoming answers one hopes.

    I have previously mentioned I was a young boy at the time of this incident, I come from a family which has served it's country and the information I have provided is the witness statement/s of them being in the service/s, attending duties in the area in question at the time of the incident.

    The points raised regarding the evidence reported on the ground the sighting and touching of one such craft I find the most fascinating aspect. As mentioned cassette recording, drawings of symbols and the reading/s obtained as the location providing more evidence than any airspace monitoring devices.

    Symbols reported and logged matching Egyptian hieroglyphics? Please forgive my slackness in speed finding these symbols I feel these could be a key part of the investigation. I see many ancient sites across the world having now discovered hieroglyphics these sites all the more mysterious being linked to cosmic star alignments.


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    I know of three mentions of radar returns concerning Rendlesham

    If you can get hold of a copy of Robert Hastings book UFO’s and Nukes there is a whole chapter in there dedicated to the Brentwater’s case.
    What is astounding about Hastings is the number of new witnesses he managed to find.
    It’s Chapter 21 – Beams of Light. This is proper nuts and bolts research Hastings traced these people down and interviewed them himself.

    Rick Bobo was Security Policeman who stationed there at the time
    “I heard some of the radio transmissions, not all of them, you understand, because there were different frequencies. I heard over the radio that London had spotted something on their radar. I heard some of the radio transmissions from some of the men who were out there….. There was lots of chatter on the radio. I think I heard that Heathrow [Airport] had it on radar. I’m surprised no one scrambled a fighter.
    He was also interviewed in Georgina Bruni ‘You can’t tell the people’

    Two USAF air traffic controllers James H. Carey and Ivan ‘Ike’ Barker who admitted to tracking an unidentified target on radar sometime between 26th Dec and 1st Jan 1981
    Jim Carey : “At the time, I was a tech sergeant, an air traffic controller with the 2164th Communications Squadron. The other controller was named Ike Barker. A major named --- ----- was also there. I think the incident happened between 10 and 12 o’clock, if I remember right. Ike and I usually worked 6 p.m. to midnight, but it was during the holidays, when we might have to work eight or nine hours. But as I recall, it happened before midnight.”

    Carey continued, “What I remember is seeing was a very fast object on the radar we had in the tower. The scope was variable—it had a zoom as far as its [displayed] range, between five and 60-miles radius, but I think it was at set at a 60-miles when the object appeared. It came in from the east, went straight west across the scope and disappeared off the left side. It took maybe four sweeps—each sweep was two or three seconds—to cross it entirely. So it covered 120-miles in [approximately eight to twelve] seconds. In the 15 years I was an air traffic controller, I’d never seen anything travel across the scope that fast. A few seconds later, it came back on the scope, retracing its course, west to east, at the same speed. Then—I think it was maybe half or three-quarters of the way across—it did an immediate right-angle turn and headed south, off the bottom of the screen. I mean, it turned just like that, instantly. We couldn’t believe it! I told Ike, ‘Okay, that was not one of ours!’”

    He also interviewed four other witnesses not concerning radar tracks but to the Brentwater case:
    Carl Thompson Jr a radio comms specialist,
    Tim Egercic – a security policeman on D flight at Brentwaters
    Robert ‘Charlie’ Waters also another SP
    James ‘JD’ Burris a senior airmen assigned to the 81st SP Squadron

    The third mention is this:
    In Leslie Kean’s new book Nick Pope writes about Rendlesham as well.p169 (or p126 in paperback)
    He mentions another witness a RAF radar operator Nigel Kerr who was stationed at RAF Watton Xmas 1980.
    Someone at Brentwaters called him to ask him if he could see anything on his radar.
    For three or four sweeps something did show up directly over the base.
    Last edited by Longeyes; 01-26-2012 at 07:54 PM.

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    Thanks for that Longeyes.
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    I found this letter in the documents from this link http://www.rense.com/general31/ufofilepart1.pdf (part of the document link provided by AdverseCamber which is on the Reense site.) It can be found on page 9 of the pdf document.

    2. I believe your outlined response is the right one; Neatishead, which is the Sector Ops Centre responsible for that area had nothing unusual to report, and nothing more substantive has come to light. I have received no evidence that any radar reported unusual tracks. (Illegible) Randles appears to have “evidence of radar trackin”, and provided that it can be managed without undermining our position, I would like to have a look at the radar evidence.
    (Bolding added by me.)

    I can't read the first name but it looks to short to be "Jenny". Does anyone know who that person might be?

    What would have happened if the evidence did undermine their position?

    This does sound like plans for a cover up.
    Last edited by newyorklily; 01-28-2012 at 08:57 PM. Reason: typo
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