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    Hi Marvin,


    Thanks and I of course agree regarding the risks of interstellar travel and those beings having constant bombardments. However could it be only a particular frequency has a negative effect? Us humans are sensitive to a frequency of around 7Hz the 'brown note'. Enjoying subsonic and infrasonic bass I know that all is well until that real low note hits. People have a tendency to make a big mess at that frequency if the right amount of gain/volume is applied.

    So you can maybe appreciate that yes most frequencies are harmless yet all biological matter has a resonating point which if applied a big mess will ensure. I am sure these beings also have a resonating point I would guess a much higher one than humans? Could it be that a particular narrow band of frequency a very specific frequency could have a negative effect on ET.

    Slightly off topic yet relating to ET's choice of clothing. The bodies discovered on board the crashed craft have often been described as having on a "thin metallic like cloth". Could this be to protect the beings from radiation? If yes it would imply that without the protective suits they may well be effected by environmental conditions.

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    "After traveling through this type of radiation to arrive on Earth, why are radio/microwaves a deadly threat on earth but not in space? Radar does not "hold a candle" when compared to the output of a star (among other sources)."

    Because the microwaves are not used for interstellar travel, there is no atmosphere. Once in the Earth's atmosphere the microwaves are used in the UFO's flight mechanism to control the air for lift, aeromotive thrust and reduction of air resistance. Presumably where the UFOs normally go there is not a technology where microwaves are used for surveillance, so interference is not an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post
    Because the microwaves are not used for interstellar travel, there is no atmosphere. Once in the Earth's atmosphere the microwaves are used in the UFO's flight mechanism to control the air for lift, aeromotive thrust and reduction of air resistance. Presumably where the UFOs normally go there is not a technology where microwaves are used for surveillance, so interference is not an issue.

    To take this stance, one would have to assume that microwaves from space cannot reach the surface of the Earth… if true, then these are very large and expensive paperweights.




    Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lux aurea in obscuro View Post
    Hi Marvin,

    So you can maybe appreciate that yes most frequencies are harmless yet all biological matter has a resonating point which if applied a big mess will ensure. I am sure these beings also have a resonating point I would guess a much higher one than humans? Could it be that a particular narrow band of frequency a very specific frequency could have a negative effect on ET.

    Kind regards.

    Since I have never seen an Alien propulsion device, I have no idea how it works or if frequencies of microwaves would cause a problem. I can only venture an opinion… if they know about the dangers of radio/microwaves and do not build in any protection from them, then they’re not to bright.


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    Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting...

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    Magicbar,

    Thanks for that! Your proposition sit's well with me here just now, and I like the idea of only employing microwave propulsion systems on Earth. I have been of the opinon now that a number of systems would be employed situation dependant.

    Marvin... LoL whatever your on I want some & one of those paperweights too!

    While of the subject of frequencies I see the mention of crystals in a number of threads and just today on the way home the bus stopped outside a charity shop, they had a display of crystals in a cabinet by the window. I understand crystals being used in radios a many years ago what I saw today with the sun gleaming down on the cabinet a wonderful light show. The crystals sperating the differing specturms of light which was not only a treat but an eye opener.

    Kind regards.

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    "Since I have never seen an Alien propulsion device, I have no idea how it works or if frequencies of microwaves would cause a problem. I can only venture an opinion… if they know about the dangers of radio/microwaves and do not build in any protection from them, then they’re not to bright."

    Marvin do not forget that the microwaves strengths are subject to the inverse square law so lower power microwaves over a short distance will have have proportionally equal effect to larger power at a greater distance. Only microwaves from large sources such as employed by our military radars would have been a threat to a microwave propulsion system. Faced with the unique technology of our primitive and insane cold war environment the aliens could have fallen into a consideration of the "Drake equation": For what period of time is a civilization likely to be using high power microwaves in military surveillance radars blanketing regional areas of a planet. I would venture that it is an unlikely occurrence so they would not likely have anticipated it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majicbar View Post
    "Since I have never seen an Alien propulsion device, I have no idea how it works or if frequencies of microwaves would cause a problem. I can only venture an opinion… if they know about the dangers of radio/microwaves and do not build in any protection from them, then they’re not to bright."

    Marvin do not forget that the microwaves strengths are subject to the inverse square law so lower power microwaves over a short distance will have have proportionally equal effect to larger power at a greater distance. Only microwaves from large sources such as employed by our military radars would have been a threat to a microwave propulsion system. Faced with the unique technology of our primitive and insane cold war environment the aliens could have fallen into a consideration of the "Drake equation": For what period of time is a civilization likely to be using high power microwaves in military surveillance radars blanketing regional areas of a planet. I would venture that it is an unlikely occurrence so they would not likely have anticipated it.

    Are you trying to hint you are an insider of an alien technology… if so, please share.

    If not, it is a nice story that makes advanced aliens look fairly stupid for not being prepared to deal with microwaves in an atmosphere (especially with the relatively primitive radar of 1947). If microwaves are an issue, they are going to miss out on a lot of the universe.

    Here is evidence that planetary bodies emit natural microwave radiation (apparently a hazard for alien flight):

    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1979008600.pdf

    http://mwrf.com/content/microwave-si...-water-jupiter


    Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting...

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    Hi Marvin,

    RADAR has no emotions it just works, so these advance aliens are maybe well aware of our primative technology. They probably did not consider the notion that when 'blips' pop up on the scope an engineer will adjust parameters accordingly. Maybe even with the deliberate intention of downing a real advance alien craft, us human beings can be a bit crafty like 'no?'. Put it this way what Chuck Norris could do with a paper cup and turn it into a killing machine of mass destruction your going to tell me a furry freak like me would not be tempted to turn up the vibes on the array?

    Hey please give Majicbar a break it should be completey obvious by now that he/she/it is indeed or at least was Scotty from the USS Enterprise. Now currently assigned as a super specialist propultion engineer! On a more serious note... If it were not for these notions would man have even made such a "small step". Me say let's keep good idea flowing.

    Kind regards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin View Post
    Are you trying to hint you are an insider of an alien technology… if so, please share.

    If not, it is a nice story that makes advanced aliens look fairly stupid for not being prepared to deal with microwaves in an atmosphere (especially with the relatively primitive radar of 1947). If microwaves are an issue, they are going to miss out on a lot of the universe.

    Here is evidence that planetary bodies emit natural microwave radiation (apparently a hazard for alien flight):

    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1979008600.pdf

    http://mwrf.com/content/microwave-si...-water-jupiter
    I agree Marvin, from the thread that started this:

    Quote Originally Posted by AdverseCamber View Post

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    However if this is the scenario you’re suggesting then I believe it’s absurd to think a race capable of creating spaceships that can travel at or around the speed of light yet still manage to avoid the many asteroid belts, debris & space junk would be foiled by relatively simplistic earth radar.

    <snip>

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    Marvin, thanks for the sources. They have helped me refine my thoughts, but they do not make your point.

    The sources to which you point are primarily concerned with the heat of the atmosphere of Saturn which can be expressed also as microwave energy. The points to which the sources you sight are the transmission of radio waves through this microwave background and the observation of the planet through this microwave background. So indeed I agree there is a situation with microwaves that exists on some other planets, especially the gas giants. I'll access that in a bit.

    My point is that cold war military radars used very powerful microwave radar to surveil the sky for enemy aircraft and help track our own aircraft and missiles, these radars had just added circular and elliptical polarizations in 1947 which would have passed through the atmosphere and influenced the atmosphere within which the UFO would be flying.

    So the debate then would devolve to what is the difference.

    In the case of military radar the microwaves would cause a constantly changing spin and disorient of the molecules in the atmosphere, which by the observation of some UFOs, lead to disruption of their ability to fly.

    In the case of the gas giant planets with the hot atmospheres, although filled with microwave radiation, these microwaves act as a black body and are oriented either omnidirectional, or, by the magnetic fields, in a constant polarization. This would not cause any degradation of flight, as the flight regime would be predictable and easily adjusted for.

    The UFO would be using microwaves over only a short distance of 10 to 30 meters, again the inverse square law would apply and despite the background microwave, only influencing that immediate control area would be necessary to provide lift and locomotion, although control would depend on the local polarization of the atmosphere in the immediate vicinity of the UFO. UFOs can fly in microwave environments if they can only influence the atmosphere to a greater extent over that short distance and that they have a predictable and controllable polarization of the atmosphere.

    And, no, I am not, my knowledge is speculative but informed: it is based on the long history of UFO reports and a good understanding of physics , and having seen several craft I know that they are out there, I'm only trying to understand what I've seen.
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