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Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:09 PM
This is old news but I'm bringing it up here again because the thread was lost when Open Minds went down.
And I have since done a bit more digging and found a few extra background and details which I hope you will find interesting.

This is the article where I first came across the story this is not however the original source of the story.

http://beforeitsnews.com/military/2012/07/top-russian-admirals-ufos-patrol-bermuda-triangle-2401538.html

Top Russian Admirals: UFOs Patrol Bermuda Triangle

Tuesday, July 17, 2012 19:25

Former Russian Navy Chief Fleet Admiral Vladimir Chernavin described declassified encounters Russian sailors had with three types of UFOs: saucers, cylinders, and cigar-shaped craft. The admiral stressed the former Soviet Navy observed and gathered a large number of UFO sightings over the decades from various regions around the world.

Deputy Commander-in-Chief, Fleet Admiral Nikolai Smirnov concurred with Chernavin's assessment of the cases.


Weekly meetings about the encounters with otherworldly craft were documented by the former deputy section chief of exploration for the Oceanographic Commission of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Captain First Rank Vladimir Azhazha who launched a new career as a UFO investigator after his stint in the navy.

All the high-ranking, former naval officers stressed that roughly half of UFO encounters happen at sea. Statistically 60 percent occur in the Atlantic and Pacific, 10 percent in the Mediterranean, and the rest in other waters. Yet of all the encounters across the globe, some of the most amazing—and unsettling—incidents happened in the Bermuda Triangle…


Many men have seen them [UFOs] and have not been mistaken. Who are we to doubt their word? …Only a few weeks ago a Palermo policeman photographed one, and four Italian Navy officers saw a 300-foot long fiery craft rising from the sea and disappearing into the sky…Why should these men of law enforcement and defense lie? [Lord Rankeillour, Member of the House of Lords, Debate on Unidentified Flying Objects, Hansard (Lords), Vol. 397, No. 23, January 18, 1979.]


Six Russian submersibles encounter huge UFO

While on naval manuevers in the Pacific, six Russian submarines encountered mysterious echoes on their sonar. None of the sonar technicians in any of the boats could identify the signature of the echoes, nor could they determine just what the object was their instruments were reading.

All agreed, however, that the object was enormous and traveling beneath their submarines.

Despite the fact that the subs were under orders not to break formation or surface during the naval exercise, all six Russian submarines surfaced when the sonar operators confirmed the gigantic unknown had turned and was swiftly closing in on them.

The unidentified submerged object (USO) ascended rapidly and shot from the ocean. After surfacing it switched to atmospheric flight. According to the seamen's reports, the object quickly disappeared.

Navy Intelligence Captain First Rank, Igor Barclay, testifies

According to Captain Barclay, a seasoned intelligence officer, UFOs and USOs frequently appear during naval exercises undertaken by Russian, American and NATO fleets.

Many sightings and encounters occur in the region known as the Bermuda Triangle. Encounters with alien craft take place in the waters around the Bahamian islands, Bermuda, and Puerto Rico. Sometimes encounters also happen near the Eastern seaboard of the U.S.

Some of the Russian experts have told Barclay that they believe strong evidence exists the region contains one or more submerged UFO bases. Evidence of this, they say, can be seen by the numerous reports of USOs seen entering and leaving some of the Atlantic's deepwater areas in the southern part of Bermuda Triangle and greater Caribbean region.

The craft sometimes act hostile and make threatening manuevers. This has led some of the naval officers to speculate that whatever the intelligence is guiding the vessels, they do not like visitors.


The captain is also impressed by lake sightings of USOs. Like the oceans, some of the deeper lakes have frequent UFO activity with craft—usually saucer or cylinderical in shape—diving into, and later ascending from, the water.

Underwater the craft glow brightly and can be spotted even during daylight hours. Their light is "reminiscent of the spotlight and flash like the glitter of electric welding."

Barclay shared a tragic incident that ocurred in the summer of 1982.

During a diving training exercise held at the Siberian Lake Baikal, the largest freshwater lake in the world, several of the divers encountered strange beings at depth. Described as being only three-feet tall and wearing form-fitting sliver jumpsuits, the diving team were amazed to discover the humanoids wore no diving gear or scuba equipment. The strange beings, however, all wore odd-looking spherical helmets.

Attempting to confront the unidentified divers that were swimming in the restricted military training zone, the group of Russian divers swam after the helmeted beings.

Unfortunately, the attempt ended in disaster. Not only did the Russians fail to catch any of the fleeing humanoids, but four of the Russians were hurt in the attempt and three later perished.

Despite a massive search by the military, the strange beings were not seen again.

Fantastic sky cylinders soar over the Pacific

Captain Azhazha confirmed another of the declassified reports.

Translated from Russian, he said:

"There is evidence from the Pacific Fleet sailors how in the remote waters of the Pacific, they observed 'hanging' in the sky cylinders, of which the flying saucer UFO smaller, plunged into the water, and then again back to the main cylinder, and he flew away."

The report is similar to many reports that have come from all over the world during the past 60 years.

Cylinders acting as "mother ships" operate as airborne carriers, the atmospheric version of naval aircraft carriers. Small craft—normally disc-shaped or spherical—use the skyborne carriers as their base of operations. What their missions are no one knows.

Azhazha believes the cylinders are linked to undersea bases that may populate the greater ocean depths at particular spots around the globe.

Famous researcher Ivan T. Sanderson explored this idea at length and had an exhaustive list of USO incidents featured in his classic book, Invisible Residents.
Many of the cases Sanderson researched at the time were culled from leaks in the Russian military. With the declassification of many of the Soviet navy USO encounters, Sanderson has been proven to be correct.

Night of the Bermuda Triangle terror

The Soviet navy became involved in an encounter withing the dread Bermuda Triangle that escalated into stark terror.

Highly respected and decorated Rear Admiral Yury Beketov, a former commander of one of the USSR's finest nuclear subs, often conducted wargame manuevers in the region of the Bermuda Triangle. Confronting unearthly phenomena more than once, he was under orders to pass such incidents immediately up the chain of command to his superior, Admiral Smirnov.

Testifying on an ocurrence during one night mission, Beketov described how critical systems aboard the submersible went haywire. Strange, unnatural phenomena and interference dogged their boat.

And then, shocked sonar operators tracked massive submersibles moving at incredible speeds in the distance and beneath their boat. Some were on collision courses veering off at the last moment.

Although many of the crew were frightened, they continued to attend to their duties. But no one knew if within the next minute, or the minute after that, their boat would be rammed.

According to the sonar readings—that were strictly confirmed—some of the alien vessels were traveling underwater at 400 miles per hour.

Beketov is sure the craft are operating with physical principles unknown to humans. As he rightly points out, 400 mph in the atmosphere is not too difficult to achieve, but underwater with the resistance and density, it is next to impossible and no technology known could attain even half that speed.

The rear admiral concludes that "beings who have created such material objects, greatly surpass us in development. You can even suggest that in the depths of the ocean along with us, there is another ancient civilization. Or is it aliens from other worlds, hidden from human eyes in deep water?"

Captain First Rank Vladimir Prikhodko related another remarkable discovery that's still been suppressed: two huge pyramids at the bottom of the ocean within the Bermuda Triangle.

Found by accident in 1991, Russian oceanographer Dr. Kvedvar Mendlik reported the pyramids were larger than those in Egypt and appeared to be constructed of thick glass or crystal.

Mendlik guesses they're no more than 50 years old. [See: Giant Crystal Pyramid Discovered In Bermuda Triangle]

But, if the technology is far advanced, the structures may be considerably older.

They may even be millions of years old.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:17 PM
A similar article did appear in the tech herald in 2009

http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Russian-navy-declassifies-UFO-encounters/6900/


The Russian navy is the latest to join the bandwagon of world official agencies anxious to declassify its encounters with Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs).

According to Svobodnaya Pressa news website, records of unexplained encounters by submarines and ships of the Russian navy have been revealed to the public for the very first time.

Vladimir Azhazha, former navy officer and a famous Russian UFO researcher, told Russia Today of a peculiar characteristic of UFOs, never before revealed to the general public - that they (UFOs) apparently enjoy water.

“Fifty percent of UFO encounters are connected with oceans. Fifteen more – with lakes. So UFOs tend to stick to the water,” he said to RT.

Following in a similar vein to recently-released NASA encounters with UFOs, the Russian records reveal an unexplained encounter a nuclear submarine had with six unknown objects underwater. After failing to get away from the UFOs, the captain allegedly gave the order to surface. The mysterious objects followed suit, then took off, according to the records.

Retired submarine commander Rear Admiral Yury Beketov was quoted by RT as saying many unexplained phenomena occured in the now-infamous Bermuda Triangle.

“On several occasions the instruments gave reading of material objects moving at incredible speed," he said. "Calculations showed speeds of about 230 knots, of 400 kph."

"Speeding so fast is a challenge even on the surface. But water resistance is much higher. It was like the objects defied the laws of physics. There’s only one explanation: the creatures who built them far surpass us in development,” Beketov said.

The released records also show large UFO activity around and in Russia’s Lake Baikal, the deepest fresh water body in the world.

RT again reports of one encounter in lurid detail: "In one case in 1982 a group of military divers training at Baikal spotted a group of humanoid creatures dressed in silvery suits. The encounter happened at a depth of 50 meters, and the divers tried to catch the strangers. Three of the seven men died, while four others were severely injured."

“I think about underwater bases and say: why not? Nothing should be discarded,” says Vladimir Azhazha. “Skepticism is the easiest way: believe nothing, do nothing. People rarely visit great depths. So it’s very important to analyze what they encounter there.”

And another in the Russian Times

http://rt.com/news/russian-navy-ufo-records-say-aliens-love-oceans/

Russian Navy UFO records say aliens love oceans

The Russian navy has declassified its records of encounters with unidentified objects technologically surpassing anything humanity ever built, reports Svobodnaya Pressa news website.

The records dating back to soviet times were compiled by a special navy group collecting reports of unexplained incidents delivered by submarines and military ships. The group was headed by deputy Navy commander Admiral Nikolay Smirnov, and the documents reveal numerous cases of possible UFO encounters, the website says.

Vladimir Azhazha, former navy officer and a famous Russian UFO researcher, says the materials are of great value.


“Fifty percent of UFO encounters are connected with oceans. Fifteen more – with lakes. So UFOs tend to stick to the water,” he said.

On one occasion a nuclear submarine, which was on a combat mission in the Pacific Ocean, detected six unknown objects. After the crew failed to leave behind their pursuers by maneuvering, the captain ordered to surface. The objects followed suit, took to the air, and flew away.

Many mysterious events happened in the region of Bermuda Triangle, recalls retired submarine commander Rear Admiral Yury Beketov. Instruments malfunctioned with no apparent reason or detected strong interference. The former navy officer says this could be deliberate disruption by UFOs.

“On several occasions the instruments gave reading of material objects moving at incredible speed. Calculations showed speeds of about 230 knots, of 400 kph. Speeding so fast is a challenge even on the surface. But water resistance is much higher. It was like the objects defied the laws of physics. There’s only one explanation: the creatures who built them far surpass us in development,” Beketov said.

Navy intelligence veteran, Captain 1st rank Igor Barklay comments:

“Ocean UFOs often show up wherever our or NATO’s fleets concentrate. Near Bahamas, Bermudas, Puerto Rico. They are most often seen in the deepest part of the Atlantic Ocean, in the southern part of the Bermuda Triangle, and also in the Caribbean Sea.”

Another place where people often report UFO encounters is Russia’s Lake Baikal, the deepest fresh water body in the world. Fishermen tell of powerful lights coming from the deep and objects flying up from the water.

In one case in 1982 a group of military divers training at Baikal spotted a group of humanoid creatures dressed in silvery suits. The encounter happened at a depth of 50 meters, and the divers tried to catch the strangers. Three of the seven men died, while four others were severely injured.

“I think about underwater bases and say: why not? Nothing should be discarded,” says Vladimir Azhazha. “Skepticism is the easiest way: believe nothing, do nothing. People rarely visit great depths. So it’s very important to analyze what they encounter there.”

Meanwhile Russian Navy officials have denied the collection of UFO-related encounters exists. A source in the Navy’s service staff said the story may have its roots in the reports of vessel commanders, which describe locating objects of unclear but Earthly origin.

“An illusion of a UFO encounter can result from large fish shoals, floating garbage or natural phenomena,” ITAR-TASS news agency cites the source.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:27 PM
But this is in fact the original source of an article in the russian press

http://www.svpressa.ru/issue/news.php?id=11385

And this is a rough translation of the original article

The Navy has declassified information about meetings submarine of unknown objects in the deep sea and the mysterious underwater bases

Former Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Chernavin told the "SP" that the Soviet Navy had accumulated a large number of sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), pop out of the water and sinking into the depths of that special group was established collection and analysis of such facts. It once a week preparing a report on the subject of the Navy Commander. It was headed by deputy commander Admiral Nikolay Smirnov. Recently, these materials are declassified.

Describing the naval UFO information, the former deputy section chief of exploration Oceanographic Commission of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR Captain First Rank Vladimir Azhazha did this alignment:

- 50 percent of UFO encounters are connected with oceans. 15 percent - with lakes. So UFOs tend explicitly to the water element. Therefore naval collection of data on UFOs is of special value.

There are statistics water UFO: first place for the meeting with the sailors is Atlantic - 44 percent of cases observed in the Pacific - 16 percent, 10 percent - in the Mediterranean, all the rest have 30 percent.

There is evidence that one of the Pacific Fleet submarines while on combat patrol, means sonar found next to a six unknown objects that defy classification. Maneuvering off the uninvited escort failed. The commander of the submarine was forced to command the ascent, grossly violated the rules of combat patrols. With all six boats afloat UFO crash carried out of the water and disappeared.

The former commander of a nuclear submarine, Rear Admiral Yury Beketov repeatedly participated in combat service in the Bermuda Triangle and repeatedly reported to Admiral Smirnov of unusual phenomena. Today, he says:

- The output closer to the U.S. and moved to Bermuda. Unfolded. Went the opposite tack. Experienced many unusual phenomena: the instrument gave unmotivated failure, then a powerful noise. Some unexplained phenomena, apparently created artificially. We have repeatedly observed that the instruments record the movement of material objects with unimaginable speed. We measured some speed - is about 230 knots (400 kilometers per hour). This speed and on the surface it is difficult to establish, but in the air. But the powerful resistance of the water. If these objects are not the laws of physics. One conclusion: the creatures created by such material objects significantly exceed us in development. There are even in the depths of the ocean along with us, there is another ancient civilization. Or is it the aliens of other worlds, hiding from human eyes in deep water.

By the way, in the Bermuda Triangle is the deepest depression the Atlantic - Puerto Rican. Its depth is 8742 meters. Perhaps there are hidden UFO bases, rather, NGOs - unidentified underwater objects.

Veteran Intelligence Navy Captain First Rank Igor Barclay says:

- Ocean UFOs often appear in areas of concentration of our forces or the NATO fleet. This is the Bahamas and Bermuda, Puerto Rico, the U.S. East Coast waters. It was there, according to some experts, are underwater UFO base. Very often they see a UFO in the deepwater area of ​​the Atlantic - in the south of the Bermuda Triangle and the Caribbean. And they behave not as guests.

Very impressive data on UFO sightings in the lake. At kilometer depths of the lake sailors repeatedly observed glow reminiscent of the spotlight like the sparkle and flash welding, as well as departures from the water obscure objects as bright shining silver discs and cylinders.

In the summer of 1982 divers diving military service during the training dives into the water of Lake Baikal several times almost experienced divers in tight silver suits their body, in all similar to humans, only about three meters of growth. Moreover, at a depth of 50 meters, they had no diving equipment, or any other devices, but their heads are concealed spherical helmets. An attempt to catch the unidentified divers ended tragically. Of the group of divers in seven people who tried to do it with the grid, four became disabled, and three died.

According to the navy, UFOs come in different forms: saucers, cigars, cylinders.

- There is evidence of the Pacific Fleet sailors - continues Vladimir Azhazha - how in the remote waters of the Pacific Ocean, they observed "hanging" in the sky cylinders, of which flew smaller saucer UFO, immersed in water, and then again returned to the main cylinder, and it flew off somewhere. According to our Earthling, this cylinder can be identified with the uterus. About underwater bases can say one thing: why not? Nothing can throw. It is easiest to take a skeptical stance: neither believe in nothing and do nothing. People rarely sink to great depths. It is therefore very important to analyze that with which they're found.

Comment Chairwoman research organization "Underwater Search" Captain First Rank Vladimir Prikhodko:

- The data of our sailors are supported by many foreign certificates. For example, the U.S. military press reported the Unexplained contact off the coast of Puerto Rico. USN spent teaching here, the purpose of which was the discovery of the submarine breaks through the "enemy." The exercise involved the aircraft carrier, five escort ships, submarines and aircraft. All submarines involved in teaching, maneuvered in the "silent stroke". "All of a sudden there was something exceptional - said Professor Sanderson, who made a report based on the analysis of documents, U.S. Navy. - Technician hydrophone at one of escorts sent to the bridge that is one of the submarine broke the system and, obviously, was to pursue what- the unknown target. "

Acoustics report put officers in a deadlock. The fact that the unidentified object, measuring device, went under the water at a speed of 150 knots! That is - 280 km / h! This can not be, because the modern submarine submerged can reach speeds above 45 knots. Watch officer immediately reported it to the captain, who, in turn, immediately contacted a command ship. Imagine his surprise when he learned that, just interrupting each other, all the other ships to report to the same carrier. "At least, - says Professor Sanderson - 13 logbooks submarines and aircraft logbook were records that have marked their gidroakkustiki" ultrabystrohodny submarine. " The relevant reports of all this were immediately sent Commander Atlantic Fleet, U.S. Navy.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:28 PM
...Four days object maneuvered within a large area, and four days the ships and aircraft of the U.S. Navy took its signals are watching him. (Or, on the contrary, he watched them!) H and that's not all. According to the reports gidroakkustikov, this object is immersed to a depth of 20,000 feet in a matter of minutes. In other words, he maneuvered in the vertical and horizontal planes, as it can not do any modern underwater vessel built by man. Not to mention the fact that the ultimate immersion in modern submarine does not exceed 6,000 feet. Even the bathyscaphe "Trieste", built for the ultra-deepwater dives, where the famous oceanographer Jacques Piccard in 1960, made a record dive to the Mariana Trench at a depth of about 35.800 feet, so as not to be destroyed, at a cost of 4.5 hours immersion. And this almost unknown object maneuvered from the surface to a depth of 20,000 feet in a matter of minutes! "In other words - says Sanderson - the mysterious object must literally belong to another world."

Witnessed another unusual case was a famous Arctic explorer Dr. Rubens Dzh.Villela and watch officer and helmsman icebreaker was taking part in naval maneuvers code-named "Deep Freeze" in the North Atlantic. The case was in the evening. Dr. Villela was on deck when suddenly saw "something came out of the water, breaking a three-meter thick ice, and a huge silver bullet disappeared in the sky." Huge blocks of ice, up in the air for a few tens of meters from the cannon thunder struck back on hummocks, and the water in the hole to form a vast seething. She rose from the clouds of steam that seems to point to the huge energy potential of the process that has just happened.

In the 70 years the American Navy conducted tests of the long-range underwater communications. In the Atlantic, the ship that took the emitted signals from the coast. And then they started taking the signals similar to the mail, but modified. The analysis has shown that this is not an echo, not a repetition of the original signal. Located the source. He was at a depth of 8 kilometers. According to American scientists, it looked like someone took a signal, modify it, and then transmitted on the same frequency as if to draw attention to himself.

In years to decipher the signal failed. Recently, an attempt was repeated with the help of powerful computers Pentagon. The results are not reported. But Americans have increased markedly after research on the seabed in the area from which a "reflection" of the signals.

In the early 90's of the last century during the test bed in the Bermuda Triangle, the center at a depth of 600 meters were discovered two gigantic pyramids, exceeding the size of Egypt. This was back in 1991, told a news conference the expedition leader, oceanographer Dr. Kvedvar Mendlik. In his view, the pyramids were built only 50 years ago. The technology is not clear. The material is like a very thick glass.

In 1997, in the valley Belingsgauzena priantarkticheskoy area surveyed avtraliyskie sailors. At a depth of 6 km bathyscaphe camera captured oval education, radiating intense inner light. The film explored the scientists of the Royal Institute of Oceanology. The conclusion was clear: these buildings can only be man-made.

These facts are led to a conclusion that the depths of the ocean as well unexplored and mysterious as the cosmos. Only humanity somehow with great interest rushes up than down. Maybe it's a big mistake.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:42 PM
Anyway since 2009 this story has intriged me.

I went as far as joining Sharkhunters

http://www.sharkhunters.com/
A group started up by US submariners of which Chernarvin was a member, I'm not sure if he still is but someone at Sharkhunters did get a reply from some of the old russian submariners confirming that off the coast of Puerto Rico in the Trench off coast was well known for strange encounters.

This last year I bought 'Invisible Residents' by Ivan Sanderson written in the sixties -don't bother it's mostly ramblings there are some true accounts in there but very few and he makes vast assumptions based and the fleetest of information. Ludicrious and a waste of money.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 01:45 PM
This a tribute and little biog of Chernavin

http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=2360

You can change the language on the page

Doc
02-19-2013, 04:45 PM
Thanks for re-posting all of this information. Some of the most well-documented multiple witness sightings come from naval ships at sea.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 11:22 PM
Another mini biography of Chernavin gives you some idea how important this man was

http://www.ourbaku.com/index.php5
Chernavin Vladimir - Admiral, Hero of the Soviet Union, the last Commander of the Navy

1928 Vladimir Nikolaevich was born April 22, 1928 in Nikolaev (Ukraine) in a working class family.
1942 - 1944 - Graduated from the two courses of the Ulyanovsk Mechanical College.

1944 - 1947 - Studies in Baku Naval Preparatory School and graduated from there in 10 classes.

In the Navy of the USSR in 1947.

1947 - 1951 - Studies in Higher Naval School. MV Frunze.

In November 1951, began service on diesel submarines of the Northern Fleet.

1953 - 1954 - Graduated from the Higher Special Officer Classes of diving and anti-submarine warfare training unit at the 1st Higher Naval Submarine School them. SM Kirov.

In 1958, as commander of the submarine "S-347", and participated in its voyage route Kola Bay - Iceland - West coast of Ireland - Faroe Islands.
Captain 3rd Rank Vladimir Chernavin was among the pioneers mastered underwater nuclear submarines.

1959 - 1962 - The commander of the nuclear submarine "K-21". In 1962, the submarine "K-21" (Project 627A "Kit") under the command Chernavin the first time in the domestic fleet made autonomous navigation lasting 50 days, and after passing under the ice of the Arctic ice-swimming test procedure, surfacing in the polynya.

1962 - 1965 - Faculty of Education at the command of the Naval Academy.

1967 - 1969 - studied at the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of them. KE Voroshilov. He graduated from the Academy with honors.

B February 1969, Captain 1st rank Chernavin V.N.byl appointed new commander of the 19th division of submarines of Northern fleet.

1970 - Awarded the title of "Rear Admiral"

12.02.1972 - 09.1973 - The chief of staff - deputy. commander and member of the Military Council of the 3rd Submarine Flotilla

09.1973 - 20.09.1974 - Komanduyuschy 3rd flotilla of submarines and a member of the Military Council of the Navy.

20.09.1974 - 01.07.1977 - Chief of Staff - First Deputy. Commander of the Northern Fleet.

In 1975 he was awarded the title of "Vice-Admiral."

01.07.1977 - 16.12.1981 - Komanduyuschy Northern Fleet.

In 1978 he was awarded the title of "Admiral".

For his contribution to increasing the combat readiness of naval forces and leadership in challenging conditions of the oceans, personal courage in difficult and important ocean cruises, the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet on 18 February 1981, Admiral Vladimir Nikolayevich Chernavin awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union the Order of Lenin and medal "Gold Star» (№ 11451).

16.12.1981 - 29.11.1985 - Hachalnik Navy Main Staff - First Deputy Commander, a member of the Military Council of the Navy.

Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet on November 4, 1983, Admiral Vladimir Nikolayevich Chernavin awarded the highest military rank of "Admiral" with the award of decorations, "Marshall Star", established to marshal arms, and a special Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

29.11.1985 - The Council of Ministers of the USSR of 29 November 1985 Admiral Vladimir Chernavin appointed Commander of the Navy of the USSR - the Deputy Minister of Defence.
29.11.1985 - 14.02.1992 - Chief of the Navy of the USSR - the Deputy Minister of Defence. - The last Commander of the Soviet Navy.
Member of the Central Committee of the CPSU since 1986 (PhD in 1981). Deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the 10th and 11th convocation. (1986 - 1991 he.).

With members of the "Union of submariners the Navy" in Moscow

January 14, 1992 was established Interregional public organization "Union of submariners of the Navy of the Russian Federation", and from that day the last Commander of the Navy Admiral Chernavin VN it is a permanent predsedatelem.

14.02 - 25.08.1992 - After the collapse of the USSR Admiral Chernavin VN was the first Chief of the Russian Navy, the Chief of the Navy of the United Armed Forces of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) - Deputy Chief of the CIS Joint Armed Forces.

08/25/1992 - 02/06/1993, was at the disposal of the Minister of Defence and Commander of the Russian Navy.

In 1993 - transferred to the reserve. Upon his retirement, VN Chernavin to April 6, 1994 he was the director of the Russian State Maritime Historical and Cultural Centre (Maritime Centre).

Since 1995 - the chief expert of the Russian Navy.

2002 - Academician, Professor, Academy of Security, Defense and Law Enforcement.

Author of scientific papers and journalistic articles.

Works:

On sea and ocean. - M.: Knowledge, 1987;
Float in the fate of Russia (Excerpts from memoirs). - New York: St. Andrew's flag, 1993;
Nuclear submarine ... Float in the fate of Russia. Reflections after the storm and hiking. - New York: St. Andrew's flag, 1997.

Awards:

Two Orders of Lenin (1971, 1981);
Orden October Revolution (1976);
Orden of the Red Banner (1966);
Orden of the Red Star (1988);
Medals of the USSR;
Awarded individual weapons;
Awarded foreign orders;
"For outstanding contributions to the development and strengthening of the Russian State" VN Chernavin the 2003 Laureate of the Prize of the Peter the Great, with the award of a gold medal.

He lives in the hero city Moscow.

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 11:28 PM
He also appeared in a Russian UFO documentary which I would love to be able to translate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhnuYcQa1qs

If you dig around it is on quite a few Russian video sites.
If anyone knows any Russian speaker who could translate it .....?

Longeyes
02-19-2013, 11:29 PM
That is as much as I know.

majicbar
12-11-2013, 10:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0E8-f6rBU&feature=player_embedded

Russian recovery of UFO and video of alien autopsy. Who knows?

earthman
12-12-2013, 12:42 AM
Well, the footage of the Russian soldiers is not faked. It would take a team of actors to do that. Now the autopsy is darn strange. Looks pretty real and gruesome. That goes back to something I was saying a while back. The size of it. Who knows how others evolve on other planets. Gravity and size of the planet and how other predators on such planet have altered size's of species on such a plaet. Take for instance if we travel to a planet and find the people, if you can call them that, are 50 feet tall. Would you make contact? I think even if we were more advanced, I would have to think hard about that. We might end up in a sandwich, lol. Could explain why some have avoided direct contact. Especially how we butchered one of there astronauts..

earthman

majicbar
12-12-2013, 01:05 AM
Well, the footage of the Russian soldiers is not faked. It would take a team of actors to do that. Now the autopsy is darn strange. Looks pretty real and gruesome. That goes back to something I was saying a while back. The size of it. Who knows how others evolve on other planets. Gravity and size of the planet and how other predators on such planet have altered size's of species on such a plaet. Take for instance if we travel to a planet and find the people, if you can call them that, are 50 feet tall. Would you make contact? I think even if we were more advanced, I would have to think hard about that. We might end up in a sandwich, lol. Could explain why some have avoided direct contact. Especially how we butchered one of there astronauts..

earthman

We can get some idea of how different species might vary based on the simple physics of an animal having to push around it's blood under different environmental conditions. Clearly the Blue Whale and Elephant, the Giraffe and similar out sized animals pose unique problems just pushing their blood around. This is compounded when extreme temperatures on the African Savanna are considered, and how much easier the Blue Whale has it in the ocean. Under high gravity, a small species would have certain advantages in circulation of blood. Exobiology will be one very interesting area once they finally concede that we are not alone in the Universe.

earthman
12-12-2013, 01:41 AM
That's for sure Majicbar. Hollywood has played Alien's as some sort of creatures. For instance, "Alien", the movie. There is no way something like that could build a ship, let alone pilot one. First, they would most likely look like us, or like what is in that video. Walking upright. And HANDS. They would have to have fingers and a thumb so they can create electronics, dexterity. Put together a ship. Build things. Even a langue, if I spelled that right. Hollywood has made "first contact" scary for earth. I'm scared as to what might happen when this does happen. I pray that no one panics and causes an incident resulting in harm to our off world friends. That's my biggest worry.

earthman

Lee
12-12-2013, 10:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ0E8-f6rBU&feature=player_embedded

Russian recovery of UFO and video of alien autopsy. Who knows?
The footage showing Soviet Troops is from "The Secret KGB UFO Files" from 1998, a few of us looked at it back on OMF and found several problems. I also contacted one of the producers and was told that he couldn't comment due to a Non Disclosure Agreement.

Also, the 'Autopsy Footage' on this youtube video does not belong with that documentary. There was an autopsy scene in the documenray but not the one linked above. This footage surfaced just a few years back, as far as I can tell. It looks fake to me, if only because the 'skin' is not attached to the 'rib cage' in any way.

Lee
12-12-2013, 10:47 AM
There is a recent article from the Huff Post which references this case, my post above relates to the video they posted. -
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4411271

Longeyes
12-12-2013, 01:45 PM
Interestingly that footage is not the original autopsy footage shown in the Secret KGB ufo files with Roger Moore where the crash footage comes from this is ...
http://youtu.be/fEJO3m8kYcw


I'm sure the other footage is from somewhere else. The clip that started all this off was a compilation by someone stuck on YouTube. They also tried to link it with the Russian Admirals who talked about underwater Ufos another unrelated story which is the story at the start of this thread.

So this is the original authentic footage.

calikid
12-12-2013, 02:57 PM
I was checking my archives for "Russian Admirals" & "UFOs", came up with this old post, but I'm not sure of it's genesis.
Seems to be a translation of some newspaper article regarding underwater UFOs, can anybody help me out with an ID?

Sounds similar, perhaps the original translation?

I found the conjecture about a parallel civilization compelling, considering the source (Russian Military).



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In the Navy been released information about meetings submarines with unknown objects in the marine and mysterious underwater depths bases

A former Navy commander-in-chief Admiral , Vladimir ???????? "SP" correspondent told that in the Soviet Navy experienced so many cases, unidentified flying objects observation (Venezuela), pop-up from underneath the water and is in depth that has to collect and analyse such facts. She once a week to prepare the report of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy. Was led by its Deputy Commander-in-chief Admiral Nikolai Smirnov. Recently, these materials was removed.

???????? ????????????? information describing, former Deputy Chief of section underwater Oceanographic Commission of the USSR Academy of Sciences of the first rank of Captain ????? made such Vladimir layout:

-50 per cent of meetings with UFO related to ocean. 15 per cent lakes. So the UFO clearly tend to aquatic yesterday. Therefore, naval data collection on UFO has particular value.

There are statistics on water UFO: first place for meetings with them Navy occupies Atlantic-44 per cent of observation, in the Pacific Ocean – 16 per cent, 10 per cent in the Mediterranean Sea, on everything else is accounted for 30 per cent.

There is evidence that one of the Pacific Fleet submarines, while on patrol hand-held tools ???????????? discovered nearby six unknown objects defying classification. From jockeying outstrip ????????? escorts failed. Commander submarine had to give the command was, in flagrant violation of rule watchkeeping combat patrol. When ???????? boats all six UFO undertook a departure from water and fled.

Former nuclear submarine commander Rear Admiral Yuri ??????? repeatedly participated in a combat service in Bermudian triangle and not once reported, Admiral ???????? of unusual phenomena. Today, he says

-Went next door to the USA and moved to Bermuda. Unfold. Reverse side. walked Faced by many unusual phenomena: the appliances failure, then gave ???????????????? arose powerful interference. Some unexplained phenomenon, apparently created artificially. We have repeatedly observed that the apparatus consists of the movement of material objects with ????????????? speed. We have measured some speed is a comment node (400 km 230 per hour). Speed and on the surface is difficult to create, only in the air. In a giant water resistance. In these objects do not have laws of physics. One conclusion: substance, which establish such facilities greatly surpass us in development. You can even suggest that the ocean depths in parallel with us there is another ?????????? civilization. Or just visiting other worlds, hiding from the abundance of human eyes deeply underwater.

Incidentally, the Bermuda triangle is in the territory's the biggest deep trench Atlantic-???????????????. Her depth of 8742 metres. Perhaps there and hidden base UFO Righter, NGOs – unidentified submarine objects.

Navy veteran intelligence Captain ??????? rank Igor says

-Ocean UFO frequently appear in the areas of concentration of our fleet. ?????????? or This is the Bahamas and Bermuda, ????? Rico, the waters of the East Coast USA. It was there, according to some experts are submarine base UFOs. Especially often see UFOs itself makes the area of the Atlantic – the Bermuda triangle in the South and in the Caribbean. And they did not behave as guests.

Incredible information about monitoring UFO in Baikal. At kilometre depths of this Lake sailors have repeatedly observed glows resembled a light Flash projectors and thermos sparkle of ?????????????, as well as fly from water obscure objects as brightly lighted disks and ??????????? cylinders.

In the summer of 1982 divers military ?????????? service during training dives into the water Baikal several times almost faced subaqueous ???????? in ?????????? ???????????, their bodies all-over logo is now around like people, only approximately ????????????? growth. At a depth of 50 metres, they did not have nor diving, nor any other apparatus, but their head concealed ?????????? helmets. ??????? ???????? ???????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??????????. ?? ?????? ????????? ? ???? ???????, ?????????? ??? ??????? ? ??????? ?????, ??????? ????? ??????????, ? ???? ???????.

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In the 1970s American military sailors conducted test apparatus farthest underwater communication. In the Atlantic Ocean carrying vessel, ?????????? from the coast signals. And suddenly they have begun to take similar sent signals, but modified. Analysis: this does not echo, no repetition of the primary signal. Identified the whereabouts of the source signal. He was at a depth of 8 kilometres. According to American scientists, it looked as if someone took his cue ???????????, and then pass on the same frequency as to attract attention.

In those years failed to decrypt the signal. Recently, again repeated by using the powerful computers the Pentagon. On the results are not reported. But Americans thereafter markedly intensified work on the floor in the area where the sentiment "flipped" signals.

In the early 1990s the last century, during the Bermuda triangle survey floor in the very centre at a depth of 600 metres were found two giant pyramids, exceeding the size of the Egyptian. About this as early as 1991 reported at a press conference the head doctor ??????? ??????? oceanographer expedition. In his view, the pyramid built only 50 years ago. Technology does not understand. Material like a very thick glass.

In 1997 ?????????????? in ????????????????? zone of depression, surveyed ???????????? military sailors. At a depth of 6 km ????????? TV filmed oval-shaped camera, ?????????? intensive education internal light. Trays mycelia scientists of the Royal Institute of Oceanology. Finding was simple: those for construction can be only artificial origin.

These facts to the conclusion that the ocean depths in the same as ??????????? and ??????????? space. Only mankind somehow with great interest goes up, rather than down. Maybe it's a big mistake.

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Garuda
12-12-2013, 04:27 PM
Whitley Strieber comments, too, on the 'old Russion hoax' that's being resuscitated:

http://www.unknowncountry.com/out-there/old-russian-ufo-hoax-returns-can-it-be-true

Longeyes
12-12-2013, 05:02 PM
Calikid

Please take a look from the start of this thread ;)

calikid
12-13-2013, 12:05 AM
Calikid

Please take a look from the start of this thread ;)

I did note the similarity. This old translation seems more raw.
You know the old saying "lost something in the translation", thought this might be worth the comparison.

Longeyes
12-13-2013, 08:23 AM
An article appeared in the Voice of Russia about the autopsy
http://voiceofrussia.com/2013_12_06/Secret-KGB-alien-civilizations-project-6631/

According to the document 072 / E, at the meeting of 1961 there was an incident involving 3 subjects due to the violation of the agreement by the officers at the military base when they discovered that their arrival was filmed with a hidden device without their consent.
Under the treaty 23/04, the meetings would be confidential and filming or taking photographs would not be allowed...

More on their site.

ProblemChild
12-13-2013, 08:56 AM
The footage showing Soviet Troops is from "The Secret KGB UFO Files" from 1998, a few of us looked at it back on OMF and found several problems. I also contacted one of the producers and was told that he couldn't comment due to a Non Disclosure Agreement.

Also, the 'Autopsy Footage' on this youtube video does not belong with that documentary. There was an autopsy scene in the documenray but not the one linked above. This footage surfaced just a few years back, as far as I can tell. It looks fake to me, if only because the 'skin' is not attached to the 'rib cage' in any way.

The different autopsy was covered at OMF aswell. Things like no arms and non surgical instruments came up. From 5 years ago:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tql_sasHKGc