Tall Whites and the book series 'Millennial Hospitality'

[lionheart001]

Hey all,

For those of you that havent heard of this book series and also not heard much about the Tall Whites, I strongly urge you to read the first three books of Millennial Hospitality. You can purchase and download digital versions (as well as book versions) at Amazon.com.


Charles Hall who wrote the books talks about his meetings with them at Indian Springs Aux AFB in Nevada. The Tall Whites had a base North of there which later became part of Area 51, just south of Groom Lake, North of Indian Springs.

He talks about interacting with a unique lady named 'Teacher', talks about their language litely, talks a little about their propulsion system (without detail mind you, but all he could learn at the age of 25 back before SciFi movies came about). They use coils wrapped around the inner hull of their craft which use Photons somehow in Quantum Fields to form various fields which effect gravity and create barriers, etc. They glow white when powered up.

He also interacted with some children as well and talked about them.

Very interesting to hear about some of the details.
* Their home world is possibly in the Arcturus star system, 36 Light Years away.
* Mother Ships travel between stars, take about 60 days/ 2 months travel time (in 1965, could be faster now) to go to Arcturus, about 44x the speed of light. Ships must be refitted and refueled, took about 2 weeks in 1965. Passengers onboard a regular Mother ship was about 1,000. They were usually going from one place to another, Earth was a refueling point as it is located in a deep space area, so Earth was a landing point for refueling when crossing a large void of space.
* Small scout ships were built at their USAF built base in Area 51. These craft varied in size, one like a bus, small scouts, and an ambulance. They could go to the moon in a quick hop, and could go to Mars in several hours. They were unstable at near light speed, so they were kept in lower speeds. They were home-made in the base, and required being able to get outside if the coils needed to be repaired. They could super heat at times and would require being redone or rebuilt or rewound, however they repaired fried coils, which were accessed through exterior panels. Their speeds in atmosphere (in 1965) were about 8,000 MPH with no sonic booms, instant start/stop, consistent with saucer magneto technology, but the Tall Whites supposedly use a Photonic light based system for propulsion compared with Grays Magnetic/gravity system. Perhaps its just a slightly different way of doing the same thing.
* They didnt clone (back then, I dont know about now) and their children were utmost important.
* The Tall White women loved Earth women's clothing and were able to get into clothes and wigs and things to look human and would do shopping runs in downtown Vegas (back in the 1960's). They also found gambling interesting.
* Their nervous system is about 2.5x faster then hours. They can think circles around us.
* Vegetarians, they do not eat meat. They also live to be about 750 to 1,000 years old. (So did humans before the great flood and when we were originally vegetarians. Humans often lived to be 900 to 1100 years old. Evidence in Babylonian and Hebrew texts show this).
* The Tall Whites are usally 'very' skinny and I think they eat 2 times per day compared with our 3x plus snacking.
* Their planet is larger, hotter, about 120F to 140F or more. Constant cloud cover, no skies to see the stars. They love to walk around at night on Earth and see the stars as they cannot on their home world. They didnt know about stars till they had invented craft that flew above their cloud layers.
* They usually make homes underground. On their homeworld, they enjoy making their shelters and living areas undergroung to better manage their living conditions and shield them from storms, etc.

Great books. I really enjoyed them. You get to know a few characters of the Aliens and see how the USAF were already working nicely with Alien cultures, learning about them, learning to work with them, etc.

[Wansen]

Read the books and yes, they were interesting although at times curious in what his writing seemed focused on.
It became tiring at times to read about yet another trip to the mess hall to get the seemingly endless amount of sandwiches he wrote about eating.

Whether they were true or not is perhaps another question.

IMO, if he made it up, he's got a lot of 'sand' for making repeated appearances talking about his experiences, complete with Q & A to the audience to (apparently) sell his books.

If he's telling the truth and tall whites are living in the Nevada desert...

[Garuda]

FWIW, Ed Komarek dedicated an entire chapter to the Tall Whites in his book: http://authors.exopaedia.org/edkomarek/chapter-06.html

There also is a group on Facebook where they are discussed: https://www.facebook.com/groups/199754893384417/
(It's a private / closed group, so you'll have to ask to be allowed in).

[Wansen]

FWIW, Ed Komarek dedicated an entire chapter to the Tall Whites in his book: http://authors.exopaedia.org/edkomarek/chapter-06.html

There also is a group on Facebook where they are discussed: https://www.facebook.com/groups/199754893384417/
(It's a private / closed group, so you'll have to ask to be allowed in).

Interesting article, thank you for the amplification. Seems to (somewhat) corroborate Hall's writings although it seems the author still has at least a bit of doubt.

I will say that Hall seems very sincere (IMO), during his presentations but his story is so fantastical it beggars belief.

When confronted with a situation like this, I ask myself "with the (proverbial) gun to my head, do I believe this or not"?

What a bizarre subject we've chosen to study: riddled with secrecy and deceit, mis and dis information, outright censorship and more than a bit of derision. Perhaps we are both exceptional and foolish in our pursuit for the truth in it.

[lionheart001]

What a bizarre subject we've chosen to study: riddled with secrecy and deceit, mis and dis information, outright censorship and more than a bit of derision. Perhaps we are both exceptional and foolish in our pursuit for the truth in it.

Well put.


Garuda wrote; There also is a group on Facebook where they are discussed: https://www.facebook.com/groups/199754893384417/
(It's a private / closed group, so you'll have to ask to be allowed in).

Interesting..

I often wonder if the aliens monitor our posts on forums from their bases around the world.

[Garuda]

(...) I often wonder if the aliens monitor our posts on forums from their bases around the world.

I don't doubt they do.

[Wansen]

I had a chance to visit with Charles Hall yesterday as he was here (Kalani Retreat in Pahoa), to give an intimate lecture on his experiences.

He is extremely personable and presents himself as an honest, forthright and highly intelligent person who is quite genuine.

Some of the information he presented regarding how potentially dangerous both the Tall Whites and especially the Greys can be did not go over well with some who felt our "space brothers" are here only to help us; a shouting match between some of the attendees ensued nearly ruining the event.

Charles' highly detailed accounts of his experiences - including being nearly killed after hit by a Tall White's wrist weapon - was downright chilling.

This combined with some excellent research done by David Hilton has led me to reevaluate my position on Charles' veracity.

To realize that this has been going on since 1965 and has been kept (almost) totally hidden and unknown is a (damnation-able) testimony to the (practically) total control of TPTB over us.

[Sansanoy]

Thats unfortunate. I think a lot of the space brothers scenarios leave a person feeling deeply validated, special, and in some cases righteous. And so an attack on the character of the aliens becomes an attack on the foundation of the way someone views themselves. I remember seeing a debate between Bud Hopkins and John Mack about whether they are good or bad and Mack said something to the effect of "it seems like you got all the abductees with bad experiences and I got all the abductees with good experiences. But the existence of good experiences does not mean that they are good. A good being would not intentionally do bad things, but a bad being would intentionally do both good and bad things.

They say we need to be "more spiritual" but their spirituality is meaningless. The tall whites say they want to teach us to be spiritual while admitting that they wiped out every species of animal on their planet that is in competition with them for food. People say they feel so loved when they are with them, but they don't give love, they cause you to feel love. Love is shown by actions not by emotions. We can induce love in the lab but that doesn't mean it's love. Forcing someone to feel love is mental rape.

[Fore]

Thats unfortunate. I think a lot of the space brothers scenarios leave a person feeling deeply validated, special, and in some cases righteous. And so an attack on the character of the aliens becomes an attack on the foundation of the way someone views themselves. I remember seeing a debate between Bud Hopkins and John Mack about whether they are good or bad and Mack said something to the effect of "it seems like you got all the abductees with bad experiences and I got all the abductees with good experiences. But the existence of good experiences does not mean that they are good. A good being would not intentionally do bad things, but a bad being would intentionally do both good and bad things.

They say we need to be "more spiritual" but their spirituality is meaningless. The tall whites say they want to teach us to be spiritual while admitting that they wiped out every species of animal on their planet that is in competition with them for food. People say they feel so loved when they are with them, but they don't give love, they cause you to feel love. Love is shown by actions not by emotions. We can induce love in the lab but that doesn't mean it's love. Forcing someone to feel love is mental rape.


I don't doubt they do.

After a post like that of Sansanoy, I'd watch him closely. He/She deserves a medal just for saying what (s)he has.

While I do know that some ET do induce artificial emotions for the sake of inducing less trauma on the individual. It does make you wonder about the ethical/moral nature of doing such an act on an unwitting individual. By that I mean making a relationship based on those induced emotions inside that persons body and not because of the contents of that relationship.

For example,
If moderators or Admins of a forum were to induce on their [human] members artificial emotions and mental sensations outside their control; I am pretty sure 99% of the people who were affected would object to it. Probably vehemently. So that makes you/me wonder what is the right reason to do it. I honestly can imagine a right scenario, but it is a really thin and shaky circumstance.

If someone were to do this to members for the sake to establish a relationship you can only imagine how far it might go. You could <cough> even insert <cough> false back-references into the persons identity to "captivate/assist" into a co-operative mindset. Imagine a soldier who works at a base who also thinks he was born on venus in his last lifetime and how "precious a time it was". You can imagine that it would affect their identity.

Worse yet, if those affected person(s) do not even fully realize it is happening and the individual perpetrating it does not actually opt to disclose it to that person....about that facet of their relationship. It really makes it a disturbing event.

Anyway, a woman like Blossom Goodchild comes to mind. Someone had a good "go" in a similar manner. (IMO)

Edit: I often wonder about the reactions. How fragile and hostile an individual can be if you introduce them to that concept. By default they should opt to avoid what makes them uncomfortable. But honestly, I can imagine it has to be rather traumatic for them to recognize when they have been through the same process being described.

[Nautillus]

I haven't read the books yet, but have watched a few interviews of the author. He keeps mentioning the books all the time like he is too eager to sell them. There's one particular story I found hard to believe. Maybe, all of you who read the books can explain. Remember the female alien who nearly killed a CIA guy who was trying to help her climb the stairs?

How did Hall found out about that? Was he there? (unlikely) Did someone told him the story?(also unlikely) He was a nobody at the time, working on a need to know basis. So what's the story there?

[Wansen]

I haven't read the books yet, but have watched a few interviews of the author. He keeps mentioning the books all the time like he is too eager to sell them. There's one particular story I found hard to believe. Maybe, all of you who read the books can explain. Remember the female alien who nearly killed a CIA guy who was trying to help her climb the stairs?

How did Hall found out about that? Was he there? (unlikely) Did someone told him the story?(also unlikely) He was a nobody at the time, working on a need to know basis. So what's the story there?

Interesting questions and unfortunately I can't answer them but I can tell you that much of his story beggars belief.

Charles said that he never dreamed of writing books. He was writing his memoirs for his Grandchildren over a several year period and when he became unemployed his wife insisted on contacting a publisher.

Among the more incredulous includes his recounts of the Tall White's (female apparently)
repeatedly picking the locks of the barracks area / "visitors center" to use the bathrooms at night! He even said his predecessor told him "White Ghosts" haunted the place.

The Tall White children being entertained by watching him float weather balloons (while they floated about in glowing anti-gravity suits).

Watching the Tall White's (escorted by a contingent of CIA and Tall White guards) walk into
a Vegas casino while dressed as humans complete with make up.

The Tall White females are wildly interested in the latest fashion catalogs and love pouring over them.

The Tall White's and the Greys have an intense dislike and barely tolerate each other.

There's much, much more that's quite hard to swallow.

But I can tell you that if he's making this up, he should be in the movies as he acts as though he's telling the truth and even takes any impromptu question anyone cares to ask and there were plenty from an obviously skeptical group when I attended.

I've been quite disturbed since attending his lecture. I've reminded myself that there's virtually no evidence of any kind to support his singular account and even David Hilton's "evidence" is anecdotal at best. I've recalled some of the more seemingly preposterous parts of his story in an effort to discount him and tried to admire his creative mind (his books were published as fiction), and yet, it's been difficult to do.

There's a ring of truth about it. His sincerity seems unquestionable. If he's lying, it's obvious he believes it to be true and while it would be easy to think he's nuts, he seems not only very sane but also very intellectual and philosophical.

And that is what's so disturbing.

I comfort myself by hoping I'm wrong and that Hall is simply a brilliantly creative liar who has concocted a "Whale-of-a-tale" that I've foolishly fallen for.

Unfortunately, I think it's more likely he's telling the truth.

[Wally]

There's a ring of truth about it. His sincerity seems unquestionable. If he's lying, it's obvious he believes it to be true and while it would be easy to think he's nuts, he seems not only very sane but also very intellectual and philosophical.


Could his memories be manufactured or implanted? If so he most certainly would believe them as if they were true. But then that raises the question of who gave him those memories and for what purpose. Perhaps the CIA gave them to him as disinformation?

[Nautillus]

Allow me to invoque Occam's razer; the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Sometimes one builds a narrative and manages to stick buy it no matter what. Am I saying all of it is fake? I just don't know, but it sure is somehow "too" appealing.

Could a "low status" military guy be allowed to witness the kind of things he tells? Does it make sense in a world of extrem secrecy?

[Nautillus]

I meant to write "stick by it" in the post above. Sorry...

[Sansanoy]

Charles explains that both his continued relationship with them and his ability to speak about it is founded in the aliens themselves. According to Charles the cooperative relationship with the aliens and the military was in part contingent on the military's cooperation with their demands. Charles was one of their pets, and one of their demands was a continued relationship with Charles while he was employed with the military as well as the latitude to reveal the encounters.

I had the same initial doubt, especially since he released this as fiction first and later said it was true. Here is the way I dealt with it mentally. We can confirm he is who he says he is and worked where he said he worked. They have testimony (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZD.htm) from several witnesses who worked in the same position as Charles or knew him who can at least corroborate some of the events in the stories as well as attest to UFO interaction at the base though no witnesses had any interaction with the ETs but Charles. So something ET related was very likely going on at this base, and so if his story is false it seems like it's more of a matter of how he was so deceived into experiencing all this.

When historians look at documents to determine the accuracy and truth value of the document they look for certain clues that can reveal the trust worthiness of the author. One such clue is if they reveal evidence that would either be counter to the authors purposes or beliefs. Hall is a catholic and a lot of the aliens information is in direct contrast to Christian belief. If he was motivated by money he might have had the aliens believe in something generic like "Christ consciousness". So there are little clues in his writings that might indicate he is not trying to deceive people.

I tried to see if he is lying by watching the Q@A after his speeches. He doesn't posture himself physically or mentally to prepare for answers. If this were all a theoretical construct of his (a lie) he would have to load up the entire theoretical world into his mind to answer questions so he doesn't contradict himself. But Charles just waits for the question then he calmly accesses his memory and responds based on his memory. He never appears to "make up" new content on the spot or become stressed over any of the questions. He is just very casual to confrontation, but also seems deeply disturbed by what he experienced.

So I am of the mind to think that at the very least he believes his story is true, and if it's not true something needs to account for the strange things happening at that base. If he is honest and his story is false I would be inclined to think the military was experimenting on him. But for me, given the two options, it seems to require less assumptions to believe him. That is how I came to view the whole thing, I don't consider it fact, but I consider it credible enough to begin working with when I think about things.

[A99]

Why does he say he's a PhD Nuclear Physicist? A number of people out there in various forums have looked into that claim but could not find anything to back that up. If, in fact, he's does not have a PhD in nuclear physics, like he says he does, then what effect would that have on the veracity of his story about Tall Whites?

Also, as far as I know, he has refused to take a polygraph test wrt to his Tall Whites story and his educational background. Sorry, but right off the bat, his refusal to take such a test like that sends up red flags all over the place about the veracity of his story.

[Sansanoy]

For me it would depend on what kind of lie it was. I think there are various levels of lies that people are comfortable making. A "white lie" like "Does this make me look fat" "No" is one realm of lie people are willing to make. Others may stretch the truth, and make a job title seem greater than it is like Trashman = waste engineer. Another level is "the end justifies the means". I think once you find out which level a person operates on you can figure out what to do with the rest of his story.

In the case of Charles one thing I read said that he is currently working as a nuclear physicist and database manager in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and that he did Ph.D. level postgraduate work at the University of Maine at Bangor. So if he did lie, it was close to the truth, he embellished the truth. So if that is the case we can trust him so far as to embellish the truth, but we can't yet say he would fabricate the truth. For that we would have to catch him fabricating the truth. I don't know if that is the right way to look at it, but that is the way I see it.

[A99]

Sorry, there's a difference between PhD level postgraduate work and calling oneself a PhD. I was at one time working for my master's degree in Art Therapy but I would never say to someone that I have a Master's degree in Art Therapy because that would qualify as outright lying... in my book and most certainly in the job market. lol

[Nautillus]

And isn't that verifiable?

[A99]

If he does not have a doctorate in nuclear physics, as he claims to have, then I really can't believe his story about the Tall Whites. It all comes down to this, if someone can lie about having a PhD in something when in fact they do not... then what else are they lying about?

[Nautillus]

You have point, but can´t that be verified? is it possible?

[Sansanoy]

Where was it stated that he has a Ph.D?

[A99]

Based on what I've been reading, there's no one who has been able to verify his claims that he has a PhD in nuclear physics... as he claims to have. There are a few threads on Hall at ATS, for example, and some have looked into that but couldn't find anything to back up his claim on that.

As for myself, I would love it if someone could show me information that would confirm that's he's got a PhD in that because I would like to believe that his story about the Tall Whites is not a fabrication. But because there are issues with him telling the truth about his educational background. I really have to hold off on believing his Tall White story for now. Sure, he looks like a nice guy in his interviews but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth about everything... or anything at all for that matter.

[A99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwcD9Xt6nEU

Nuclear Physicist Dr Charles Hall Speaks Of Military Contact with Aliens During His Military Service

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Dr. Charles Hall - Alien Disclosure on Tall White ET's, News Report

http://www.educatinghumanity.com/2013/03/alien-disclosure-charles-hall-on-tall-white-aliens.html

He's called Dr. Charles Hall all over the internet. That's what he's calling himself. One would think that if he does not have a doctorate in nuclear physics, he would have corrected everyone on that ages ago.

[Sansanoy]

Are there any occasions where Charles Hall himself says he has a phd or refers to himself as Dr Charles Hall either in his books, speeches or self run web sites?

[Wansen]

Are there any occasions where Charles Hall himself says he has a phd or refers to himself as Dr Charles Hall either in his books, speeches or self run web sites?

Hello Sansanoy,

Very interesting comments on this subject; I appreciate your and A99's inputs.

When Charles was here, he was both billed as (in advertisements) and identified as a "physicist" not as a "Dr.".

[Wansen]

Could his memories be manufactured or implanted? If so he most certainly would believe them as if they were true. But then that raises the question of who gave him those memories and for what purpose. Perhaps the CIA gave them to him as disinformation?

That's a great question Wally. Honestly, I had never considered it but it would explain much.

[Wansen]

Allow me to invoque Occam's razer; the simplest explanation is usually the right one. Sometimes one builds a narrative and manages to stick buy it no matter what. Am I saying all of it is fake? I just don't know, but it sure is somehow "too" appealing.

Could a "low status" military guy be allowed to witness the kind of things he tells? Does it make sense in a world of extrem secrecy?

Without trying to defend him; I recall him saying it was his lowly rank (E-2), that made him ideal as he was very unimportant and quite expendable.

[Nautillus]

Does this mean there are lots of low rank military around who have knowledge of these matters? Does it sound logic to you?

Make no mistake, I want to believe. I's an amzing tale, but...

[Wansen]

....... They have testimony (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZD.htm) from several witnesses who worked in the same position as Charles or knew him who can at least corroborate some of the events in the stories?......

I'd forgotten about this.

I should mention that Dr. Salla was also in attendance and was warmly received by Mrs. Hall who remembered his favorable articles on Charles.

[Wansen]

Does this mean there are lots of low rank military around who have knowledge of these matters? Does it sound logic to you?

Make no mistake, I want to believe. I's an amzing tale, but...

No. Not necessarily.

Yes, if there was a "need to know"

I think it's important to state that Hall specifically pointed out that he was NEVER briefed quote: "Before, during or after" (end quote) his tenure at Area 54 (or what he says is correctly called "dreamland").

[Wansen]

Charles explains that both his continued relationship with them and his ability to speak about it is founded in the aliens themselves. According to Charles the cooperative relationship with the aliens and the military was in part contingent on the military's cooperation with their demands. Charles was one of their pets, and one of their demands was a continued relationship with Charles while he was employed with the military as well as the latitude to reveal the encounters.

I had the same initial doubt, especially since he released this as fiction first and later said it was true. Here is the way I dealt with it mentally. We can confirm he is who he says he is and worked where he said he worked. They have testimony (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_ZZD.htm) from several witnesses who worked in the same position as Charles or knew him who can at least corroborate some of the events in the stories as well as attest to UFO interaction at the base though no witnesses had any interaction with the ETs but Charles. So something ET related was very likely going on at this base, and so if his story is false it seems like it's more of a matter of how he was so deceived into experiencing all this.

When historians look at documents to determine the accuracy and truth value of the document they look for certain clues that can reveal the trust worthiness of the author. One such clue is if they reveal evidence that would either be counter to the authors purposes or beliefs. Hall is a catholic and a lot of the aliens information is in direct contrast to Christian belief. If he was motivated by money he might have had the aliens believe in something generic like "Christ consciousness". So there are little clues in his writings that might indicate he is not trying to deceive people.

I tried to see if he is lying by watching the Q@A after his speeches. He doesn't posture himself physically or mentally to prepare for answers. If this were all a theoretical construct of his (a lie) he would have to load up the entire theoretical world into his mind to answer questions so he doesn't contradict himself. But Charles just waits for the question then he calmly accesses his memory and responds based on his memory. He never appears to "make up" new content on the spot or become stressed over any of the questions. He is just very casual to confrontation, but also seems deeply disturbed by what he experienced.

So I am of the mind to think that at the very least he believes his story is true, and if it's not true something needs to account for the strange things happening at that base. If he is honest and his story is false I would be inclined to think the military was experimenting on him. But for me, given the two options, it seems to require less assumptions to believe him. That is how I came to view the whole thing, I don't consider it fact, but I consider it credible enough to begin working with when I think about things.

Highly impressive observations and a cogent opinion - my profound appreciation.

[Fore]

Highly impressive observations and a cogent opinion - my profound appreciation.Same as above.

We should clone him/her. Hehe

[A99]

Yes, it is a very good in-depth analysis... but... if only our dear Charles would correct people who are calling him "Dr." all over the internet...and that, ladies and gentleman should be big red flag for us that something is seriously amiss about this man.... and his story of Tall Whites.

In addition to this, his refusal to take a lie detector test should also raise red flags that he's either an attention seeking conman or a gov't disinformation agent.

Sorry, as much as "I want to believe", I can't jump on the bandwagon on this one until he, at the very least, submits to a polygraph test. As there is no proof or evidence that supports his story, him taking a lie detector test would allow us to consider that his story is, to some extent, not a complete fabrication.

[Nautillus]

How did you find out he refused the test?

[A99]

How do you think?

[Wansen]

Yes, it is a very good in-depth analysis... but... if only our dear Charles would correct people who are calling him "Dr." all over the internet...and that, ladies and gentleman should be big red flag for us that something is seriously amiss about this man.... and his story of Tall Whites.

In addition to this, his refusal to take a lie detector test should also raise red flags that he's either an attention seeking conman or a gov't disinformation agent.

Sorry, as much as "I want to believe", I can't jump on the bandwagon on this one until he, at the very least, submits to a polygraph test. As there is no proof or evidence that supports his story, him taking a lie detector test would allow us to consider that his story is, to some extent, not a complete fabrication.

Believe it or not, I had a similar idea regarding Charles; as he routinely professes his devotion to the Catholic faith, I wanted to ask him if he'd swear on a Bible that his testimony is true. After giving it a second thought I decided that not only might it seem insulting, but that it also wasn't my 'place' to put him on the spot, as much as I wanted to.

IMO, your skepticism is healthy, warranted and in this field more than absolutely necessary; I appreciate you giving us your honest opinion.

[Longeyes]

I've got problems with him too, fine write a book about your experiences, but 5 books? Seems more like a money making exercise than anything else.
Has anyone one else ever claimed independently to have seen TW at his location? And if he had so much interaction could he not have taken any photos?
For me it's 50/50 whether he is telling the truth. If there was just someone else who could back up his story.

[Sansanoy]

I'm not invested in his story, if he is lying I want to know about it. But I can't fault him for not taking the polygraph. There are two main problems with polygraphs. The first problem is that they only measure arousal so an innocent person can appear to be guilty. The other problem is that a guilty person who knows how the test works can accurately and reliably pass repeated polygraphs.

What this means is that an innocent person has nothing to gain and everything to lose from taking a polygraph. Passing the polygraph will not prove his innocence because it can so easily be tricked. However failing the polygraph while innocent will show him as a liar. Audiences are not satisfied or convinced with innocent polygraph readings, but they will be satisfied with a guilty verdict because the test is reportedly accurate when it's not being tricked. So there is nothing to be gained by the gamble... by winning he doesn't earn trust from the skeptical because the test can be beaten and if he loses he loses everything.

I would never take one personally unless I was already deemed as guilty and this was my only way to establish innocence. My mind is way to chaotic and backwards to trust someones physiological interpretation of my mind.

Personally I can't fault him over the existence of websites with mistaken information. I would hope he would want to correct that information but I can't expect him to police the entire internet. Maybe he has corrected people? we just don't know.

I definitely share your suspicion I just don't have enough information to discount his story. Nor do I have enough information to secure his story either. I'm basically hanging onto these puzzle pieces to see if they fit anywhere else in such a way that a picture starts to emerge. This whole UFO situation is a 1,000 piece puzzle with 2,000 pieces in the box, no picture and you are pretty sure only 500 of those pieces are original to the box.

[Wansen]

I've got problems with him too, fine write a book about your experiences, but 5 books? Seems more like a money making exercise than anything else.
Has anyone one else ever claimed independently to have seen TW at his location? And if he had so much interaction could he not have taken any photos?
For me it's 50/50 whether he is telling the truth. If there was just someone else who could back up his story.

Excellent points Longeyes, I know you're a thorough researcher and I thank you for your learned input.

[Sansanoy]

I just found a similar account to Halls story quite randomly in my reading. Hall said the tall whites had a Pencil that was like a gun, that could cause great pain or death depending on what they wanted. I was reading a snipit of "tribal memories of the Flying Saucers (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_races03a.htm)" and saw the same weapon. The story comes from Native American legend surrounding death valley about a race of human like beings that lived underground in the area. Here is a quote from it.

""’Have you ever seen a Hav-musuv?’

"’No, but we have many stories of them. There are reasons why one does not become too curious.’

"’Reasons?’

"’Yes. These strange people have weapons. One is a small tube which stuns one with a prickly feeling like a rain of cactus needles. One cannot move for hours, and during this time the mysterious ones vanish up the cliffs. The other weapon is deadly. It is a long, silvery tube. When this is pointed at you, death follows immediately.’ "

Here is Charles description of it from this interview.

"Q. In vol three, you describe an incident where you were burned by microwave weapons, can you elaborate?
He explained how the pencil weapon can be used by the Tall Whites to cause great pain, death, or sleep. He describes an incident where a CIA guard tried to help a Tall White female in getting up the stairs at the Congressional building, but the guard inadvertently hurt the Tall White and she threatened CIA guard who had to beg for his life. He explains that the pencil weapon can be used to stimulate calcium atomic frequencies to cause great pain like being burned, but one was not actually burned. When the iodine setting is used by the stun gun it can cause one to bleed to death. He compared this to the black plague when people would bleed to death due to arteries being weakened and blood would leak out causing death. In an email, Charles clarified how the pencil weapon works: "

In the Native American account there are two tube like weapons, in halls account there are settings. It may represent an advancement in technology between the ancient account of the Native Americans and the recent account of Hall. There are also major difference in appearance between the aliens. The Hav-musuvs were beautiful, golden skin and wore headbands with long dark hair where as the tall whites were, tall and white. But it's interesting to see such an unconventional and unexpected weapon show up twice, and with enough time in between to represent advancement. (I don't think that proves Halls story at all, just an interesting observation I came across that I thought worth mentioning. (I also have not looked into the reliability of the Hav-musuvs story))

[GusB]

I recall stories of Greys having similar weapons but seemed to cause paralysing effects. There must be some sort of frequency or microwaves that cause such effects on humans. I don't doubt that the military have seen this at some point and tried to replicate it somehow. If you look into it further I'm sure you will find prototypes being made. The microwave gun comes to mind but what the Tall Whites have is clearly far more advanced.

[Nautillus]

I am presently reading book 1 and I am surprised to know there were severeal eye witnesses to the alliens besides Hall. Where are these airmen? Have they confirmed Hall's words? Have they ever been mentioned in Hall's interviews and statements?

[Wansen]

I am presently reading book 1 and I am surprised to know there were severeal eye witnesses to the alliens besides Hall. Where are these airmen? Have they confirmed Hall's words? Have they ever been mentioned in Hall's interviews and statements?

Nautilus, would you share the name of the book you're reading please?

[Nautillus]

Like I said it's the number one book "Millennial Hospitality'.

I have already finished it and started number 2. He is not much of writer...

One thing I can tell you about US airmen in the sixties (from Hall's words), they were a bunch of sissies! All of those mentioned in the books were amazingly terrified of these aliens who looked practically human. They scream in horror, they shake in fear, they cry, they probably piss themselfs. Imagine if the aliens had a monster like appearance. How would they react? Heart attack?

[A99]

Beings that are all white DO exist. I know that because I had an encounter with one and so has my son. So I'm not ruling out that there are a few section's of Hall's encounters with what he's calling Tall Whites that are, at least to some extent, not entirely complete fabrications.

Anyway, stumbled on this interesting photograph of an albino family in India.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/article-2111298-120DAD79000005DC-229_1024x615_large.jpg

[A99]

Sorry but I couldn't resist:

http://cdn.dailycute.net/2013/10/21/bbd6d77fb0e4e3a4a3f8966567261c3c.jpg:D

[Sansanoy]

Beings that are all white DO exist. I know that because I had an encounter with one and so has my son. So I'm not ruling out that there are a few section's of Hall's encounters with what he's calling Tall Whites that are, at least to some extent, not entirely complete fabrications.



What are some of the aspects that you you agree with based on your experiences?

[A99]

Well, first off, there ARE beings that are all white but when I described and posted an image I created of what the being that I saw looked like, Garuda said that it's not a "Tall White" as what Hall wrote about in his books. It was another kind of being... nevertheless it was all white too. Also, my son saw an all white being that was dressed from top to bottom in white that was standing next to a tree in his dad's backyard. It stood there and stared directly at my son as he was looking at him from the window in the kitchen. When my son told me about that, he didn't know about the all white being that I saw.

My son said that the being looked completely human but all white, slim and tallish. Mine, on the other hand, looked like this with a semi-transparent covering over its eyes... It seemed to be of avg height.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/q97ykfep_1.jpg

I'll flip through Halls first book again to see if there's anything there that I can relate to. If there is, I'll post it here. The one I saw looked as solid as any other physical thing but it also seemed interdimensional. The one my son saw looked completely physical but at the same time other-worldly too.

[Sansanoy]

Should I see the "white" in the picture as white people skin under a blur, or as pure white light?

[A99]

Here's the link of the thread I started up on that all white being encounter:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?986-Another-Tall-White-Visitation&highlight=tall+white%2C

Also, here's a link to my website. http://eyeontheblind.webs.com/

[A99]

Found this piece after googling up "Tall Whites". It'a on Colin Wilson's website. The tall being seen by the policeman is not describe as having white skin but it was dressed all in white nevertheless.
http://www.colinandrews.net/UFO-Presteigne-Meeting.html


Next at the meeting to share his experience was another former policeman, Ken, who had his
encounter on the outskirts of Bristol while driving home after his work shift. He was passing the
entrance gate of a research facility when he saw an eight-to-nine foot tall being. With no other
vocabulary to express it, he called the being a ‘spaceman’. The being was wearing a one-piece suit
and a helmet with a black visor over his eyes. Ken said that as he was not on duty and had no idea
what he was looking at, he went straight home, arriving still in shock. Although he told his wife, who
did not believe it, he decided not to make an official report fearing professional repercussions. The
next day he learned from the newspaper of two other people who reported seeing a ‘spaceman’
looking into their car at Chilcomb, near Winchester, after their car engine failed. Ken was reading
about the famous Joyce Boyles and Ted Pratt encounter (http://www.colinandrews.net/UFO-PoliceSergeant-SilburyHill.html) mentioned above. Both Ken’s event and
theirs happened the same night in 1976. Chilcomb is about seventy miles southeast of Bristol.

http://www.colinandrews.net/sitebuilder/images/PolicemanTallBeingsByWayne--532x360.jpg

http://www.colinandrews.net/sitebuilder/images/PaulAnderson-101_3173-115x115.jpg

[A99]

Sorry for the typo's in previous post. Had not had my coffee yet and my carpal tunnel's thing on my left hand, which is an on and off thing, is acting up again.

[Nautillus]

I am a believer. I believe that intelligent life is out there, I believe aliens have been visiting us for a long time. I have no problem to believe that aliens may be living on the planet.


That being said, I've just finished reading Charles Hall's five books. In my opinion it all is a hoax. Where should I begin?

Are you expecting these books to be about alien encounters? Forget it, that's not what they are. If we take the five volumes as one, 80 to 90% of it is about Hall's everyday life as a US Airforce weather observer. He describes his duties thoroughly day after day, along with descriptions of the scenery the roads, the buildings, etc. We even have to read endless pages about his tour of duty in Vietnam. The five books repeatedly repeat themselves and we sometimes read the same episode two or three times. The fourth book, for example, practically repeats the first one.
Considering the amount of pages in the five books the actual tales about aliens are quiet scarce.

Earing Hall’s interviews and reading his books are two different things. In the interviews he is constantly referring to his books and yet there are things he mentions in the interviews that are not in the books. Listening to the man I really wanted his story to be true, and that’s why I read the five books in a row.
There are so many inconsistencies in the narrative that it would take me a long time to list them all.

Throughout the books the most used words are fear and terror. Everyone is terrified. There isn’t a brave man at Nellis base. Every airman who encounters the aliens is absolutely terrified of them, pissing in their pants terrified. This of course in spite of the fact that these aliens could actually be mistaken for humans. Should they have had a monster like form the all base personnel would have died of terror.
The aliens themselves are terrified as well, even when they are in great numbers, armed and facing a single unarmed human. Everybody lives in terror!

Almost all of the alien encounters reported by Charles Hall are a game of hide and seek. They are lurking in the shadows, they hide and run away like children. Later on there is actual contact and he claims to be good friends with some of them. There is this particular alien whom Hall saves his life and because of that he claims they are like brothers although nothing ever happens between each other and they rarely even speak.

For someone who is later supposed to be a scientist Hall showed back then no curiosity at all about the aliens. During more than two years of contact he hardly questions them about anything. 99% of the (very scarce) information is provided by the aliens themselves, intently or by chance when he eavesdrops conversations between the aliens and the generals, or when he listens to the thoughts of aliens talking among themselves using a machine capable of communication by thought. Why the aliens should use a machine to communicate by thought amongst themselves is a mystery to me. Why should they speak English among themselves (when Hall was not present) is another.

Hall is authorized (by the Pentagon) to go anywhere he wants whenever he wants. But he never goes anywhere that matters! Sure, he drives and walks a lot, he gives ample description of the mountains and valleys. He sees a lot of alien crafts (almost always from afar), but he never goes to the interesting places. He claims to find the bases of the aliens but he doesn’t go near them. Why? Because he is terrified, he is always terrified. He “lives” with aliens for more than two years and all his conversation with them is chitchat. When in his shoes I’m sure all of us could think of a thousand questions to ask, but not airman Hall. He was all about small talk.

Charles Hall is amazing at drawing his own conclusions about alien facts based on… anything, really. Sometimes, out of the blue, he presents as truth facts that cannot be supported by his own narrative, scientifically or otherwise. One of his most treasured conclusions was that the aliens could run and move very fast because their nervous system was three times faster than our own. The man was a weather observer not a doctor. His assumptions on the origin of the aliens is also amusing. In his words he doesn’t offer hypothesis, he issues statements which are based only on what he thinks to be true and not on something he was told or shown by the aliens.

For a long time, Charles Hall thinks the aliens he sees are illusions from his mind. These “illusions” leave footprints all over the place, but he doesn’t care about it. Almost all of his friends at Nellis saw the aliens. The descriptions they give of them are absolutely the same as Hall’s, but nevertheless he continues to think they are illusions. Not for one moment does he stop to think how strange it is for everyone to be having the same illusions, or does he discuss this with the others.

Charlie Hall (Baker in most of the books) is portrayed as a hero. Both colleagues, officers, generals and even the aliens say he is the bravest man they ever met. The concept is repeated constantly throughout the books. However, his actions are always of a sissy since he is afraid all the time.
He is also (said by everyone) a very intelligent man. He is supposed to have an IQ of 140. How smart he is is also something recurrent in the books.

Hall’s real but not declared job at Nellis airbase is to prepare aliens for interaction with humans. Well nor only he seldom interacts, but the all idea doesn’t really add up. Almost all of the aliens are afraid of him, because he is human. However the generals and their staff walk along with alien parties all the time. At some point a general (accompanied by lots of alien) exposes Hall for them to see what a human is like. He even asks if they want to see his teeth (?). Weren’t the general and staff human too????

The last book is appalling. In what seems to be the need to try and make a few more bucks, Hall repeats his story all over again. Yes, the same all thing, step by step in a different but similar location but this time leaving the tall white out of the picture. Now it’s all about the greys. The same hide and seek in the shadows as before, but no actual contact this time.
At the end of the book Hall presents his own version of the Roswell events, not as a theory but as the real thing, all based on… his own mind I guess.

There is much more that could be said, but I have already abused your patience.

[atmjjc]

I am a believer. I believe that intelligent life is out there, I believe aliens have been visiting us for a long time. I have no problem to believe that aliens may be living on the planet.


That being said, I've just finished reading Charles Hall's five books. In my opinion it all is a hoax. Where should I begin?

Are you expecting these books to be about alien encounters? Forget it, that's not what they are. If we take the five volumes as one, 80 to 90% of it is about Hall's everyday life as a US Airforce weather observer. He describes his duties thoroughly day after day, along with descriptions of the scenery the roads, the buildings, etc. We even have to read endless pages about his tour of duty in Vietnam. The five books repeatedly repeat themselves and we sometimes read the same episode two or three times. The fourth book, for example, practically repeats the first one.
Considering the amount of pages in the five books the actual tales about aliens are quiet scarce.

Earing Hall’s interviews and reading his books are two different things. In the interviews he is constantly referring to his books and yet there are things he mentions in the interviews that are not in the books. Listening to the man I really wanted his story to be true, and that’s why I read the five books in a row.
There are so many inconsistencies in the narrative that it would take me a long time to list them all.

Throughout the books the most used words are fear and terror. Everyone is terrified. There isn’t a brave man at Nellis base. Every airman who encounters the aliens is absolutely terrified of them, pissing in their pants terrified. This of course in spite of the fact that these aliens could actually be mistaken for humans. Should they have had a monster like form the all base personnel would have died of terror.
The aliens themselves are terrified as well, even when they are in great numbers, armed and facing a single unarmed human. Everybody lives in terror!

Almost all of the alien encounters reported by Charles Hall are a game of hide and seek. They are lurking in the shadows, they hide and run away like children. Later on there is actual contact and he claims to be good friends with some of them. There is this particular alien whom Hall saves his life and because of that he claims they are like brothers although nothing ever happens between each other and they rarely even speak.

For someone who is later supposed to be a scientist Hall showed back then no curiosity at all about the aliens. During more than two years of contact he hardly questions them about anything. 99% of the (very scarce) information is provided by the aliens themselves, intently or by chance when he eavesdrops conversations between the aliens and the generals, or when he listens to the thoughts of aliens talking among themselves using a machine capable of communication by thought. Why the aliens should use a machine to communicate by thought amongst themselves is a mystery to me. Why should they speak English among themselves (when Hall was not present) is another.

Hall is authorized (by the Pentagon) to go anywhere he wants whenever he wants. But he never goes anywhere that matters! Sure, he drives and walks a lot, he gives ample description of the mountains and valleys. He sees a lot of alien crafts (almost always from afar), but he never goes to the interesting places. He claims to find the bases of the aliens but he doesn’t go near them. Why? Because he is terrified, he is always terrified. He “lives” with aliens for more than two years and all his conversation with them is chitchat. When in his shoes I’m sure all of us could think of a thousand questions to ask, but not airman Hall. He was all about small talk.

Charles Hall is amazing at drawing his own conclusions about alien facts based on… anything, really. Sometimes, out of the blue, he presents as truth facts that cannot be supported by his own narrative, scientifically or otherwise. One of his most treasured conclusions was that the aliens could run and move very fast because their nervous system was three times faster than our own. The man was a weather observer not a doctor. His assumptions on the origin of the aliens is also amusing. In his words he doesn’t offer hypothesis, he issues statements which are based only on what he thinks to be true and not on something he was told or shown by the aliens.

For a long time, Charles Hall thinks the aliens he sees are illusions from his mind. These “illusions” leave footprints all over the place, but he doesn’t care about it. Almost all of his friends at Nellis saw the aliens. The descriptions they give of them are absolutely the same as Hall’s, but nevertheless he continues to think they are illusions. Not for one moment does he stop to think how strange it is for everyone to be having the same illusions, or does he discuss this with the others.

Charlie Hall (Baker in most of the books) is portrayed as a hero. Both colleagues, officers, generals and even the aliens say he is the bravest man they ever met. The concept is repeated constantly throughout the books. However, his actions are always of a sissy since he is afraid all the time.
He is also (said by everyone) a very intelligent man. He is supposed to have an IQ of 140. How smart he is is also something recurrent in the books.

Hall’s real but not declared job at Nellis airbase is to prepare aliens for interaction with humans. Well nor only he seldom interacts, but the all idea doesn’t really add up. Almost all of the aliens are afraid of him, because he is human. However the generals and their staff walk along with alien parties all the time. At some point a general (accompanied by lots of alien) exposes Hall for them to see what a human is like. He even asks if they want to see his teeth (?). Weren’t the general and staff human too????

The last book is appalling. In what seems to be the need to try and make a few more bucks, Hall repeats his story all over again. Yes, the same all thing, step by step in a different but similar location but this time leaving the tall white out of the picture. Now it’s all about the greys. The same hide and seek in the shadows as before, but no actual contact this time.
At the end of the book Hall presents his own version of the Roswell events, not as a theory but as the real thing, all based on… his own mind I guess.

There is much more that could be said, but I have already abused your patience.

This is an excellent well done and thought out critique, thanks for this Nautillus.:)

[Longeyes]

You've put a lot of time into doing that Nautillus. Thanks, it confirms for me what I've suspected long suspected about Charles Hall - he's not the real deal.

[Sansanoy]

Thanks as well Nautilus. I will definitely never read those books now.

How bad were the contradictions between the books? Were they so bad that it gives the impression that he is not lying but deceived into thinking what he experienced is real? I wonder if he was experimented on at that base, with something that might cause him to have consistent hallucinations. He just doesn't seem like a liar, but his story is funky all over when it comes to the tall white content.

[Nautillus]

Thanks as well Nautilus. I will definitely never read those books now.

How bad were the contradictions between the books? Were they so bad that it gives the impression that he is not lying but deceived into thinking what he experienced is real? I wonder if he was experimented on at that base, with something that might cause him to have consistent hallucinations. He just doesn't seem like a liar, but his story is funky all over when it comes to the tall white content.


There are no contradictions between the books, or within the narrative itself. It is the nature of his story that lacks verisimilitude. All the content about the aliens and Hall's interaction (or the lack of it) with them could easily fit in a single book. The rest is about Hall's daily activities as a weather observer, the trips to Vegas, the landscape, his friends and how amazing he is. He saves the day at least two times and he is always said to be an incredible human being. The bravest, the smartest, a hero in everyone's words.

The aliens are portrayed as a notorious more advanced race that behaves like children, playing constant hide and seek, peeking lockers and drawers. Throughout the five books the actual data on the aliens is almost inexistent mostly because during more then two years Charles Hall hardly asks them a question. All there is is their physical description, that of their crafts and a few other details.

[GusB]

You post has been food for thought over the last few days. Thanks Nautillus :)