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Longeyes
03-02-2016, 10:24 PM
Interview with John Podesta


http://www.lasvegasnow.com/video?videoId=386322091

A99
03-02-2016, 11:08 PM
Can Podesta tell us the exact name of the dept. within the military or gov't agency that has those unreleased classified documents? I personally do not see anything more pressing than for the American public to have access to those files and even though I previously thought Trump might be able to bully his way into getting that information for us, knowing what I know now about him and how self-serving he is, I'm voting for Clinton because she's like us... she wants to know the truth.

X-Origins
03-02-2016, 11:19 PM
Every President since Truman has wanted to know the truth but some how it slips their grasp when it comes to the UFO disclosure. My opinion, and mind you its only my opinion I do not think Clinton will get any further than the rest.

A99
03-02-2016, 11:53 PM
Just goes to show that the US is really a covert military stratocracy where the Pres. of the US is merely a mid-ranking civilian civil servant who is way down on the "need to know" list on essential and important matters.

majicbar
03-03-2016, 12:38 AM
Can Podesta tell us the exact name of the dept. within the military or gov't agency that has those unreleased classified documents? I personally do not see anything more pressing than for the American public to have access to those files and even though I previously thought Trump might be able to bully his way into getting that information for us, knowing what I know now about him and how self-serving he is, I'm voting for Clinton because she's like us... she wants to know the truth.

Podesta does not name the department, my feeling is that the sucessor of the "Majestic" group has all the files and control of the subject, but has embargoed the knowledge to within its own walls of secrecy so that it can controll all interaction with the alien groups that we may encounter. I recall that Eisenhower transferred all control over to this group for any further government activity in a memo which created it (MJ-12) as having overall control and limited access even to future Presidents on a need to know basis only. Since then it may be refering to itself as under some other name or reference. There have been limited leaks of "Majestic, MJ-12" materials from the historic period pre 1954, a sort of limited disclosure for those seeking some understanding of the issue. With all the interaction that UFOs present to our population it seems rather foolish to continue to controll the basic knowledge of the alien existence, yet I feel this is a middle ground that seems necessary for those in the government who are uncomfortable with any and every aspect of the alien issue and the reality that there really is nothing that they can do to control any of it. Those of us on the outside who want to know will have to do with what little we have, as we can conttrol nothing.

earthman
03-03-2016, 12:41 AM
It would be hard to the government to come clean. Serious PR mess. How would the US citizen's take it if they confessed they knew this all this time. I think they can only just now say something might be true about the UFO phenomenon and say yes it is happening. Now lets make contact and be done with it. Only way. Maybe Clinton could be the one to do it. Still makes me wonder who is in charge of this. Who knows and for how long.

A99
03-03-2016, 01:05 AM
Reply to majibar's comment.

Since when does a "memo" from the President garner such power to dictate an action without the approval of congress and/or SCOTUS? That's illegal isn't it? Can't it be reversed? At any rate, the term "need to know" is a joke in this case because in reality that condition is non-existent. Former Pres. Clinton even said on a talk show that if we are being visited, he "hopes" our visitor's are not like the ones that showed up in Independence Day. That's a pretty scary statement coming from a former president, is it not?
One thing for sure, that group that's keeping that information to themselves about our visitor's essentially controls the world.

A99
03-03-2016, 01:28 AM
It would be hard to the government to come clean. Serious PR mess. How would the US citizen's take it if they confessed they knew this all this time. I think they can only just now say something might be true about the UFO phenomenon and say yes it is happening. Now lets make contact and be done with it. Only way. Maybe Clinton could be the one to do it. Still makes me wonder who is in charge of this. Who knows and for how long.

Hillary Clinton stated that it's possible that we've been visited which in my book means that she had access to information maybe via her husband that states that we have in fact been visited and most likely, are still being visited. As for the PR mess... I don't think that's really an issue... not in this day and age.

earthman
03-03-2016, 01:49 AM
I know if they did come out and say they knew for 60 years. I would love it. But I'm not sure how people that really don't believe would react. I still wonder how they will react to our Satellite project. Will they try to stop us?

Wansen
03-03-2016, 02:10 AM
Just goes to show that the US is really a covert military stratocracy where the Pres. of the US is merely a mid-ranking civilian civil servant who is way down on the "need to know" list on essential and important matters.

Well said, I couldn't agree more; Eisenhower's farewell address warning went unheeded and we're hip-deep in it now.

A99
03-03-2016, 02:24 AM
earthman,
Hopefully not but if I were you, I'd still watch my back nonetheless.

A99
03-03-2016, 02:27 AM
Well said, I couldn't agree more; Eisenhower's farewell address warning went unheeded and we're hip-deep in it now.

Good point.

majicbar
03-03-2016, 07:36 AM
Reply to majibar's comment.

Since when does a "memo" from the President garner such power to dictate an action without the approval of congress and/or SCOTUS? That's illegal isn't it? Can't it be reversed? At any rate, the term "need to know" is a joke in this case because in reality that condition is non-existent. Former Pres. Clinton even said on a talk show that if we are being visited, he "hopes" our visitor's are not like the ones that showed up in Independence Day. That's a pretty scary statement coming from a former president, is it not?
One thing for sure, that group that's keeping that information to themselves about our visitor's essentially controls the world.It is a "Presidential Directive", it is an executive order that will cover his ass and directs how his executive staffs are to do what is said in any such memo. It is legal to the degree that it and order persuant to a law enacted by Congress, or a War Power granted by the Congress to the President. As the original grant to the "Majestic group" came while the WWII and Cold War issues were operative, it would have legal standing. It CAN be superceeded by any future President if they are aware of it, supposedly Eisenhower allowed them to leave all future Presidents "uninformed", which I believe is outside the powers and intent of the rules which allowed for the "Executive Powers acts" in the first place.

Longeyes
03-03-2016, 08:26 AM
It would be hard to the government to come clean. Serious PR mess. How would the US citizen's take it if they confessed they knew this all this time. I think they can only just now say something might be true about the UFO phenomenon and say yes it is happening. Now lets make contact and be done with it. Only way. Maybe Clinton could be the one to do it. Still makes me wonder who is in charge of this. Who knows and for how long.

That's what gets me who is in charge? In whose interest are they acting on? Humanity? The USA? Themselves?
Seems like the President gets some but very little real information on it. That means the public, who 'they' were originally organised to help, have no idea they even exist, have no say or input on what they do on our behalf.
I can't help thinking that if such a highly compartmentalised system gets compromised (ie infiltrated ) who would even know?
If they are technologically 100+ yrs in advance they still are no defense against a ET race millions of years more advanced than us?
I would have thought complete openness would be the best defense, it seems the very secrecy that they have strived to protect is what has compromised them.
If ETs had wanted to take over our planet they would have done by now, if they already have, we can't tell, then inform us. If they already have this ultra top secret elite would be the dark ETs first target.
I think the more paranoid military leaders at the end of WII, thought we must have the ability to protect our skies at any cost, no matter whether the visitors are good or bad.
The price we paid are the unchecked abductions, who knows what else, and denying the truth to the vast majority of mankind.
We can't progress as a species if we don't know all the facts, the average Joe has no idea what the nature of reality is or what is going on in the greater universe. Billions of wasted lives, massive amounts of suffering because of ignorance.

X-Origins
03-03-2016, 10:37 AM
Just goes to show that the US is really a covert military stratocracy where the Pres. of the US is merely a mid-ranking civilian civil servant who is way down on the "need to know" list on essential and important matters.

Thats basically what it amounts to in the scheme of things and I agree.

Longeyes
03-04-2016, 03:18 PM
The story has made a broadsheet in the UK
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/hillary-clinton-declassify-government-documents-ufos

CasperParks
03-04-2016, 04:44 PM
The story has made a broadsheet in the UK

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/03/hillary-clinton-declassify-government-documents-ufos

Thanks for sharing - I will share on social media.

Doc
03-04-2016, 07:50 PM
At the 2007 UFO Crash Retrieval Congress in Las Vegas, the dinner speaker was Daniel Sheehan, who says he has been told UFO information by Insiders.

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2007/12/16

Mr. Sheehan said that he'd been told that individual Presidents are on a Need To Know basis regarding UFO information and whether or not Presidents got "The Briefing" in the absence of any current Need To Know depended on a few factors including whether the President could be trusted to keep such secrets and their known character. He gave many details and I would not want to misquote him but I do recall he thought President Bill Clinton was not thought to be able to keep a secret like that. I also recall that he said President Carter had demanded all the UFO information be turned over to him and something in his attitude was off-putting to the keepers of the secrets and somehow or other he never did get the briefing. I believe most of Mr. Sheehan's remarks on UFOs are online and a search would turn most of what he said that night without too much trouble.
:ufo:

atmjjc
03-04-2016, 09:35 PM
Thx for that Doc...

A quick query brought up this 2001 interview with Daniel Sheehan but I thought this is fairly similar to what Grant Cameron of the CIA was sounding off a few years back. I then looked to see who transcribed this interview and it was none other than Grant Cameron. Cameron was more than likely one of the insiders Sheehan had spoke about.

We know for sure Cameron worked for the CIA but to my knowledge was never reprimanded by the Company for divulging highly classified information, which makes it kind of fishy IMO.

In intelligence nothing is ever as it seems which makes me suspect a Disinformation campaign.

This link will take you to the interview.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc836.htm


Interview with Daniel Sheehan (July, 2001)

'Strange Days...Indeed' with Errol Bruce-Knapp and Scott Robins, Transcribed by Grant Cameron

original source | fair use notice

Summary: Interview with Daniel Sheehan July 14, 2001 'Strange Days...Indeed' with Errol Bruce-Knapp and Scott Robins. Daniel Sheehan has degrees from Harvard in government, law and divinity. He established the Christic Institute in Washington D.C., and has been legal counsel on many high profile cases... Cases such as Karen Silkwood for example -- Iran-Contra, the American Sanctuary Movement, the Pentagon papers, Three Mile Island and Watergate. He has gained access to many restricted government files.

A99
03-05-2016, 02:30 AM
Thanks all for those Sheehan links :)

newyorklily
03-05-2016, 03:07 AM
Thx for that Doc...

A quick query brought up this 2001 interview with Daniel Sheehan but I thought this is fairly similar to what Grant Cameron of the CIA was sounding off a few years back. I then looked to see who transcribed this interview and it was none other than Grant Cameron. Cameron was more than likely one of the insiders Sheehan had spoke about.

We know for sure Cameron worked for the CIA but to my knowledge was never reprimanded by the Company for divulging highly classified information, which makes it kind of fishy IMO.

In intelligence nothing is ever as it seems which makes me suspect a Disinformation campaign.

This link will take you to the interview.

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc836.htm


Interview with Daniel Sheehan (July, 2001)

'Strange Days...Indeed' with Errol Bruce-Knapp and Scott Robins, Transcribed by Grant Cameron

original source | fair use notice

Summary: Interview with Daniel Sheehan July 14, 2001 'Strange Days...Indeed' with Errol Bruce-Knapp and Scott Robins. Daniel Sheehan has degrees from Harvard in government, law and divinity. He established the Christic Institute in Washington D.C., and has been legal counsel on many high profile cases... Cases such as Karen Silkwood for example -- Iran-Contra, the American Sanctuary Movement, the Pentagon papers, Three Mile Island and Watergate. He has gained access to many restricted government files.

Grant Cameron is a Canadian who has done a lot of work gathering documents on what the U.S. Presidents knew about UFOs. He owns the website, Presidential UFO. He never worked for the CIA.

http://www.presidentialufo.com/

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Fore
03-05-2016, 04:43 AM
I know if they did come out and say they knew for 60 years. I would love it. But I'm not sure how people that really don't believe would react. I still wonder how they will react to our Satellite project. Will they try to stop us?

No, not likely.

If your method is off, it wouldn't yield the results that would uncover alien activity. Then, there isn't any honest reason to stop your attempt. It would proceed just without a hitch and just yield no promising results. (A "Null" result)

You'd be off to a good start to open some informal chats with individuals who have sighted ET craft and attempt to figure out if your system can reasonably detect appearances or instances of such crafts in an area OR even anything unique related to sightings.

It is a reasonable assumption that ET's are ahead of common detection techniques. So a cube-sat would need to drive to "home plate" some kind of innovative attempt to measure and detect anything related to alien activity. If you are just taking environmental samples with the cube-sat then you'd need to be able to prove that anything you do collect is in some way going to establish a link to ET activity.

Anyway, I am pretty sure there must be other countries with sat projects with deep pockets who'd secretly collect data on ET activity. I am going to assume they had to first field test a general set of hypothesis on the method they wanted to achieve. To do that you need to know the possible parameters of what you are looking for and how you should go forward in looking for it just like a major industrialized nation.

Edit: For example, if a cube-sat were capable of detecting a radiation signature that is uniquely generated by on the ground ET craft. Then you could take a piece of data like a coordinate on the earth surface and search for any associated sighting. After a few dozen detection, (if successfully tied to real incidents being reported) you could make a reasonable assertion that you can corroborate that something strange (as in out of the norm) took place at a specific time and place on earth.

Then, coordinating witnesses, you could establish that people on the ground saw X,Y,Z that indicates something of unearthly origin.

Though I am not sure a cube-sat could do all that within the confined space it has right?

atmjjc
03-05-2016, 03:06 PM
Grant Cameron is a Canadian who has done a lot of work gathering documents on what the U.S. Presidents knew about UFOs. He owns the website, Presidential UFO. He never worked for the CIA.

http://www.presidentialufo.com/

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My mistake it wasn’t Grant Cameron it was Chase Brandon who worked for the CIA with a similar story. So let me rephrase the structure of this post from the last post.

A quick query brought up this 2001 interview with Daniel Sheehan but I thought this is fairly similar to what Chase Brandon of the CIA was sounding off a few years back. Chase Brandon was more than likely one of the insiders Sheehan had spoke about.

We know for sure Brandon worked for the CIA but to my knowledge was never reprimanded by the Company for divulging highly classified information, which makes it kind of fishy IMO.

In intelligence nothing is ever as it seems which makes me suspect a Disinformation campaign.

So not Grant Cameron but Chase Brandon is the culprit who worked for the CIA. I am forever getting these two people mixed up. Not the first time I made that mistake between these two fellas.:o

http://www.chasebrandon.com/page0/page0.html

CasperParks
08-10-2016, 04:44 AM
Over the years, John Podesta has created a documented trail for Disclosure. Letís say upon Disclosure, those in power fall from grace. Podesta has positioned himself to run for President, and will be able to claim and prove he has pushed for Disclosure for years. That or, he has positioned himself as point-man when it happens.