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Garuda
02-12-2017, 04:07 PM
Several Olmec statuettes appear to depict traditional yoga poses.

Were the Olmecs in contact with India? Did they migrate to Middle-America from China?

Interesting article on Graham Hancock's website: "Olmec Yogis with Hindu Beliefs: Did they migrate from ancient China?", by Bibhu Dev Misra
https://grahamhancock.com/dmisrab10/

A99
02-12-2017, 07:04 PM
How fascinating! I've always has an interest in the Olmec's and their art. Will research more on this.

Here's a photo of me at The Olmec/Zapotec center in Monte Albán, near the city of Oaxaca, MX walking down one of the pyramids there.

http://i.imgur.com/hRsSkiy.jpg

http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/olmec-zapotec-Monte-Alban.jpg?itok=z2vlAbcT

A99
02-12-2017, 07:37 PM
Here's a better photo of that site:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/50131870.jpg

M-Albion-3D
02-12-2017, 08:41 PM
How fascinating! I've always has an interest in the Olmec's and their art. Will research more on this.

Here's a photo of me at The Olmec/Zapotec center in Monte Albán, near the city of Oaxaca, MX walking down one of the pyramids there.

http://i.imgur.com/hRsSkiy.jpg




Awesome images in this thread! Thanks for the direction. Why is the image above so blue?

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?2384-Life-on-Mars&p=49899&viewfull=1#post49899

A99
02-12-2017, 10:42 PM
No reason why i changed it from it's original color version to blue. Just felt like it I guess. :) It's a personal photo and it seems less in-your-face that way.

Viewing Olmec art in google's images and found the following : The Olmec paintings of Oxtitlan Cave, Guerrero, Mexico. It bears a lot of resemblance, stylistically, to a primitive Chinese dragon.

http://fineouncegoldsmithcollective.blogspot.com/2012/06/year-of-dragon.html


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-g5wrPqqzwbs/T-M1bgJLvLI/AAAAAAAAArY/6TkHEF80aRw/s1600/Rendering+by+Felipe+Davalos+of+a+painting+in+Oxtot itlan+Cave.+From+David+C.+Grove.+The+Olmec+paintin gs+of+Oxtitlan+Cave,+Guerrero,+Mexico.jpg

A99
02-12-2017, 11:09 PM
Just noticed a typo in my first post in this thread... it's "I've always had an interest in the Olmec's.... not I've always has an interest.... :bleh:

Anyway, very interested in researching ancient India including any information out there about them traveling across the ocean to the New World. I think this guy is really onto something.

A99
02-13-2017, 01:02 AM
Oh, here's something....

India’s Ancient and Great Maritime History


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QOEXdDNuisg/VgkErsUUsVI/AAAAAAAAUa8/c3LvVlwoafg/s0/2015-09-28_11-13-17.jpg


This shows how ancient Vedic culture was able to reach many areas of the globe. We should first take into account that ancient India, which was centered around the Indus Valley years ago, and was already well developed before 3200 BCE, stretched from Afghanistan to the Indian Ocean and points farther east and north, the largest empire in the world at the time. But its influence spread much farther than that. During its peak developments, it had organized cities, multistory brick buildings, vast irrigation networks, sewer systems, the most advanced metalwork in the world, and a maritime trade network that incorporated the use of compasses, planked ships, and trained navigators that reached parts of western Asia, Mesopotamia, Africa, and other ports far beyond their borders. 1 So they were certainly capable of ocean-going trips that could have reached even to the Americas.



Mexican archeologist Rama Mena points out in his book, Mexican Archeology, that Mayan physical features are like those of India. He also mentions how Nahuatl, Zapotecan, and Mayan languages had Hindu-European affinities.
In this line of thinking, some American tribes have traditions of having ancestral homelands across the Pacific. A legend of Guatemala speaks of an ancient migration from across the Pacific to the city of Tulan. A tribe from Peru and Tucano of Columbia also relate in their traditions how ancestors sailed across the Pacific to South America.



This information makes it clear that ancient India had the means to reach and in fact did sail to many parts of the world, including the ancient Americas, long before most countries. This is further corroborated by information in the chapter of Vedic culture in America in Proof of Vedic Culture’s Global Existence, for those of you who would like more information on this.


Further evidence has been shown, such as that presented at a 1994 conference on seafaring in Delhi where papers had been presented that shows how Indian cotton was exported to South and Central America back in 2500 BCE. Another report suggested Indian cotton reached Mexico as far back as 4000 BCE, back to the Rig Vedic period. According to Sean McGrail, a marine archeologist at Oxford University, seagoing ships called ‘clinkers’ that were thought to be of Viking origin, were known in India a good deal earlier. Thus, India’s maritime trade actually flourished many years ago, along with many other of its advancements that are hardly recognized or accounted for today. 21
This helps reveal that India’s maritime trade actually flourished more and far earlier than most people realize. This was one of the ways Vedic culture had spread to so many areas around the world. Though the talents and capabilities that came out of ancient India’s Vedic civilization have often remained unrecognized or even demeaned when discussed, nonetheless, the Vedic people were far more advanced in culture and developments then many people seem to care to admit, and it is time to recognize it for what it was.

http://www.dandavats.com/?p=20110 (http://www.dandavats.com/?p=20110)

A99
02-13-2017, 02:22 AM
Interesting fact:

...the last cycle of the Mayan calendar started in 3113-14 BCE, very close to the Hindu dates of beginning of Kaliyuga! Without any connection between the two civilizations, their calendars begin with only a difference of 11 years. What is also interesting is that in both these calendars, this is the last stage of the cycle.

http://decodehindumythology.blogspot.com/2016/04/yuga-of-misery-yuga-of-mercy.html

A99
02-13-2017, 05:42 AM
The Olmecs were the original creators of what is popularly called the Mayan Calendar.

Anyway.... the Olmecs appeared in MX out the blue as a fully formed civilization. Its most well-known artifacts are those large negroid heads which could have been the slaves or fellow boat-mates of not the Phoenicians (based on evidence of Caucasian visitors during that time period in MX in those locations where the Olmecs lived) but ancient Indians from India. In other words, the Olmecs could have been ancient Indians from India. This explains why some of the the Olmecs artwork looks the way it does... Asian Indian. More later.

A99
02-13-2017, 06:20 AM
There's that Chinese influence too. Everything I've been Googling up on this topic seems to be supporting those facts cited in that article on Hancocks website. Very interesting.

A99
02-13-2017, 06:31 PM
Here are a couple of other snapshots of me at Monte Alban's at those pyramid ruins.

http://i.imgur.com/OqsMmls.jpg

A99
02-13-2017, 09:50 PM
Here's the timeline for several events that are relevant to this topic; all from wiki.

Buddha's death ... a symposium on this question held in 1988,the majority of those who presented definite opinions gave dates within 20 years either side of 400 BCE for the Buddha's death.


He attained enlightenment at the age of 35 and soon after that, he began to attract followers in northern India. He taught for the next 45 years and died at 80.


The Olmec civilization flourished roughly between 1200 BC and 400 BC,


The heads date from at least before 900 BC and are a distinctive feature of the Olmec civilization of ancient Mesoamerica.




Who brought Buddhism to China?
It was brought to China by Buddhist monks from India during the latter part of the Han dynasty (ca. 150 CE) and took over a century to become assimilated into Chinese culture. One of the key forces of Buddhism's success was Daoism.


Initially, Buddhism remained one of the many small sects in India. The main breakthrough came when King Asoka (ca. 270-232 BCE) converted to Buddhism. He did not make it a state religion, but supported all ethical religions. He organised the spreading of Buddhism throughout India, but also beyond; most importantly to Shri Lanka. This occurred after the Third Council.

A99
02-13-2017, 10:18 PM
Unfortunately, the authors claims do not match up to the established/mainstream timeline of sig. events that are relevant to his claims.

For example, let's look at what the author of that article that's posted in the OP says about the Olmec heads. The link for that, which is a different article than the one in the OP of this thread, is on his site on the following page: http://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2016/10/the-olmec-heads-did-they-serve-as_14.html

The author claims that those heads are Dvarapalas, protectors of Hindu-Buddhist temples.

But, mainstream archaeologists state that those Olmec heads were created before 900 BC.

That's centuries before Buddha was even born and when, thereafter, Buddhism spread in India and then to China.

So this would cancel out, at least according to mainstream archaeologists, any assumptions that those Olmec colossal heads are Dvarapalas. :(

A99
02-13-2017, 11:11 PM
Now let's look at the author's claim that "Olmec clay figurines and stone statues...depict yogic asanas." And that it came by way of China.

As stated in one of my previous posts here, there is some legitimate support in the academic community that ancient Hindi seafarers from India traded in Mexico and Central America in the BCE.

Because the Olmec's appeared suddenly as a fully developed civilization where Hindu-Buddhist artifacts were left in their wake which occurred just as suddenly as they disappeared centuries later, we could surmise that the Olmec's were Hindu-Buddhist Asians from India who may have also blended in with the existing indigenous populations in those area's where they settled.

As for China... Hindu-Buddhism was not introduced to that country until 150 AD'. That's centuries after the Olmec civilization ended.

Any Chinese influence, stylistically-wise, in the Olmec's Hindi-Buddhist sculpture, figurines and art already existed in India due to that country's cultural assimilation of the Chinese influence in their art. The Hindu-Buddhist Indians had already been trading with the Chinese for centuries prior to the time when they landed in Mexico. In addition to this, Hindu-Buddhist statues, figurines and art in MX look oriental because the indigenous tribes in MX and Central America, looked Mongoloid.

The information above would seem to support the notion that it was not the Chinese who brought yoga to MX, but the Asian Hindu-Buddhists from India. And, in fact, the Olmec's could have been Asian Indian.

A99
02-13-2017, 11:49 PM
Unfortunately, the authors claims do not match up to the established/mainstream timeline of sig. events that are relevant to his claims.

For example, let's look at what the author of that article that's posted in the OP says about the Olmec heads. The link for that, which is a different article than the one in the OP of this thread, is on his site on the following page: http://www.bibhudevmisra.com/2016/10/the-olmec-heads-did-they-serve-as_14.html

The author claims that those heads are Dvarapalas, protectors of Hindu-Buddhist temples.

But, mainstream archaeologists state that those Olmec heads were created before 900 BC.

That's centuries before Buddha was even born and when, thereafter, Buddhism spread in India and then to China.

So this would cancel out, at least according to mainstream archaeologists, any assumptions that those Olmec colossal heads are Dvarapalas. :(




On the other hand, Dvarapalas are seen in the Hindu culture (and the Buddhist culture too).. So in that case, that's very well what those Olmec heads could be. But they are not Hindu-Buddhist because Buddha wasn't born until centuries later.

But once again, it's not from China wrt the Olmec's. It's the Hindu Indians from India. They may have been there before they became Hindu-Buddhists. Prior to that they were only Hindu.