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M-Albion-3D
07-24-2017, 09:41 AM
I know, this sounds way off base but.....I do believe CIA insider, Robert David Steele is telling the truth here.

I've scoured many images in high magnification and in super hi resolution especially captured by the MRO camera. In many instances, (too many really), I have seen the faces of humans depicted all over, I'll post a few shortly.

This is really sad but when the public mind becomes aware of this, there's going to be hell to pay IMO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9cgm1B7Rew

calikid
07-24-2017, 02:50 PM
Is he telling the truth? Or spewing wild stories in an attempt to stir up the fringe element. Have them repeat heinous stories that the mainstream will consider unbelievable. Thereby tainting more realistic research. Practically the definition of disinformation.

With the Billion$ it would cost to transport and maintain anyone on Mars; unruly, untrained children? Seems unlikely.

IMO, Stinks of yellow journalism.

M-Albion-3D
07-24-2017, 04:13 PM
Is he telling the truth? Or spewing wild stories in an attempt to stir up the fringe element. Have them repeat heinous stories that the mainstream will consider unbelievable. Thereby tainting more realistic research. Practically the definition of disinformation.

With the Billion$ it would cost to transport and maintain anyone on Mars; unruly, untrained children? Seems unlikely.

IMO, Stinks of yellow journalism.

I can see you are no admirer of Mr. Steele, I get that. But Mars, if that were the case, why are we seeing images, to scale, of human faces all across the surface? Believing that the only so called "space program" has been the one that NASA has been shoving down our throats for almost 60 years is like well....religion. One "believes" in their narrative as a matter of faith, imho.

Would you like to see some new "huge human facial creations" on Mars and in 3D no less? Once one "sees" and comes to terms with the many definite examples of human life there, the shock can be quite traumatic but in time (took me about 5 months) the "effect" does wear off.

If this sounds ok to you, here's a link for some 3D glasses and once you have them, we can take trip across the surface and I will show you some "not yet" posted evidence. Let me know.

Oh the "billion$"...peanuts! The Pentagon is a connoisseur of diverting funds to the tune of 10 TRILLION$ thus far!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army-idUSKCN10U1IG

http://www.activistpost.com/2017/03/10-trillion-missing-pentagon-no-one-not-even-dod-knows.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/23/politics/us-army-audit-accounting-errors/index.html

Note, have you ever wondered why the FED keeps on printing more fiat money in the trillions and the population is getting poorer and poorer while the trillions just seem to disappear as the years go by and....almost no one in this country is even aware of the theft?

Here ya go...:das

https://www.amazon.com/Glasses-Prescription-Movies-Gaming-Anaglyph/dp/B0058GN1AM/ref=sr_1_17?s=instant-video&ie=UTF8&qid=1500907040&sr=8-17&keywords=3d+glasses

best regards,
mal

Longeyes
07-24-2017, 07:39 PM
Seems to far fetched for me. And the quality of the other witnesses, Corey Goode and Al Beilek is hardly inspiring. One claims there is a star gate to take you there. Why don't they just send the kids via that? Instead of a 20yr journey through space. Even that figure is bizarre as we could do it faster than that now with current tech?

CasperParks
07-24-2017, 08:05 PM
20 years to reach Mars?

What are they using, a row-boat?

calikid
07-25-2017, 01:29 PM
IMO, the artifacts on Mars can stand on their own, regardless of the veracity of Mr Steel's claims.

I do have doubts about his experience.
Another possibility (beyond disinformation); he may have just had a particularly vivid dream that has become "real" to him.
I simply find his story unlikely.

calikid
07-25-2017, 01:44 PM
20 years to reach Mars?

What are they using, a row-boat?
One of the many fascinating transport theories:
Fly to Mars in a couple of days in a ARV. Serve 20 years.
Then, instant "portal" transport from Mars back to earth, only the transport results in time travel 20 years into the past.
Erasing memories and biological aging evidence.
Time Travel Paradox: if he is here 20 years in the past, how can he also be on Mars?
Maybe fodder for your next book Casper?

epo333
07-26-2017, 01:34 AM
Seems to far fetched for me. And the quality of the other witnesses, Corey Goode and Al Beilek is hardly inspiring. One claims there is a star gate to take you there. Why don't they just send the kids via that? Instead of a 20yr journey through space. Even that figure is bizarre as we could do it faster than that now with current tech?

I saw some of these claims a few weeks ago. I figured either FAKE NEWS attempts, or some debunker clans throwing dis-information to gullible researchers.

I just can buy into this just now.

M-Albion-3D
07-26-2017, 04:27 AM
I saw some of these claims a few weeks ago. I figured either FAKE NEWS attempts, or some debunker clans throwing dis-information to gullible researchers.

I just can buy into this just now.

Those debunking clans seem to be successful in steering people into assuming all new evidence must be disinformation thus inhibiting further analysis. Research requires an unbiased scientific analysis in order to be thorough. That so it appears, has gone out the window.

Garuda
07-26-2017, 06:15 AM
Those debunking clans seem to be successful in steering people into assuming all new evidence must be disinformation thus inhibiting further analysis. Research requires an unbiased scientific analysis in order to be thorough. That so it appears, has gone out the window.

Scientific analysis also requires that the evidence be tested. That implies checking source reliability and validating the content.

The source is a CIA agent. CIA agents will tell or do whatever they are told to if it is in the vital interest of the US.
The technique used here is gaslighting: spread loads of false stories to hide the truth, and to confuse people.
(That truth may very well be that there IS evidence of a civilization on Mars).
So, when it comes to source reliability, the reliability is dubious as there is a likely agenda.

Then, we move to content validation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to validate one word of his claims. We just have to take his word for it.
The information he presented cannot scientifically be confirmed / validated, nor falsified (proven false), as we don't have the means to go and check what he says.
From a epistemological point of view, therefore, his claims are nonsense. They have no scientific value or meaning, as they cannot be proven true or false.

So, this story about children being used as slaves fails validation on all accounts.

And since you raise the topic of unbiased analysis: You seem to have a fascination with child abuse stories as you keep on promoting them without any critical analysis, whatsoever. As such, you are displaying an almost archetypal confirmation bias, where you accept something as true, just because it confirms your beliefs, even if there is no evidence whatsoever to justify it.

M-Albion-3D
07-26-2017, 10:11 PM
Scientific analysis also requires that the evidence be tested. That implies checking source reliability and validating the content.

The source is a CIA agent. CIA agents will tell or do whatever they are told to if it is in the vital interest of the US.
The technique used here is gaslighting: spread loads of false stories to hide the truth, and to confuse people.
(That truth may very well be that there IS evidence of a civilization on Mars).
So, when it comes to source reliability, the reliability is dubious as there is a likely agenda.

Then, we move to content validation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to validate one word of his claims. We just have to take his word for it.
The information he presented cannot scientifically be confirmed / validated, nor falsified (proven false), as we don't have the means to go and check what he says.
From a epistemological point of view, therefore, his claims are nonsense. They have no scientific value or meaning, as they cannot be proven true or false.

So, this story about children being used as slaves fails validation on all accounts.

And since you raise the topic of unbiased analysis: You seem to have a fascination with child abuse stories as you keep on promoting them without any critical analysis, whatsoever. As such, you are displaying an almost archetypal confirmation bias, where you accept something as true, just because it confirms your beliefs, even if there is no evidence whatsoever to justify it.


Thanks for this Garuda!

My response.

I am well aware of the term "gaslighting" and its psychological manipulative techniques but this is not what is happening here imo.

Gaslighting is normally associated with a relationship involving two people where one continuously batters the other person for manipulative control.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/communication-success/201704/7-stages-gaslighting-in-relationship

In the case of Mr. Steele here, the story of child slave labor on Mars was just mentioned by him in ONLY ONE interview with Alex Jones where he told, what he believed was the truth and WOW did he hit a nerve! So much so, that almost the entire network of "echo chamber blow horn fake news internet sites" were called into action to go on the offence.

And over what: just one short conversation about kids and slave labor on Mars! Really?

Here is just a clip of 8 pages returned from Google and just look at the denouncements!

The core message:

"NASA FORCED TO DENY THERE ARE CHILD SLAVES ON MARS!"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/922/I92Hvz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmI92Hvzj)
(https://imageshack.com/i/pmI92Hvzj)
In recent years, NASA has adopted a posture of "non response" to pretty much any claim which does not move within the orbit of their agenda.

Except so it seems, when the discussion hits upon the nerve of pedaphilia. In my opinion and frankly in many others too, this issue, is the biggest story of this millennium and TPTB are doing everything they can to sweep it under the rug and stop it from going anywhere near "mainstream". But that is for a discussion perhaps on another forum. However, an evidence tally can be downloaded here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiZ2Fqdk1ZUUZWY1E/view?usp=sharing

If you like, the Trumped up story revolving around the Russia issue is Gaslighting whereby constant battering of the public of a BS story in an attempt to "redirect" away from mounting evidence.

Quote:

"Then, we move to content validation. There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to validate one word of his claims. We just have to take his word for it.
The information he presented cannot scientifically be confirmed / validated, nor falsified (proven false), as we don't have the means to go and check what he says.
From a epistemological point of view, therefore, his claims are nonsense. They have no scientific value or meaning, as they cannot be proven true or false".

From an epistemological perspective Garuda, we all speak nonsense until such time as our "speak" is verified as true.

When something is said by virtue alone, that does not make it so, but then again, it does not make it not so either. As an observer or recipient of Mr. Steele's comments, you state with apparent bias, "There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to validate one word of his claims. We just have to take his word for it".

With respect Garuda...prove it, prove that you know he's not telling the truth. You see, it's the same either way. While I would agree with you of course there is mis and disinformation always, but to immediately condemn the man as a liar frankly, is playing into their hands. I do not know for sure he is telling the truth but there is compelling and considerable evidence mounting that this slave trade practice actually does exist.

From my perspective, there is a sophisticated and advanced civilization on the planet with centerpoint in Hebes Chasma (Mensa), Melas Chasma and in the Meridiani Planum region as I have been posting in Life on Mars thread.

It is an unfortunate reality for me that I can say with absolute certainty, that the examples of life "depicted" in the Martian surface represent a civilization which does not appear to be one of benevolence. And, could quite easily be centered around a race which has no problem amassing slaves. We have slavery in our human genetics and could easily be a universal practice.

Garuda
07-27-2017, 05:28 AM
Your response is just one fallacy upon another...

It must be true because NASA denies it?

You spread fake news, for which there is no evidence whatsoever, but somehow want me to prove that there is no slave colony on Mars?

From an epistemological perspective we all speak nonsense until such time as our "speak" is verified as true? Err... no. Something is nonsense if there is no way to verify or falsify. Verifiability / falsifiability are the epistemological criteria, not verified / falsified.

Because slavery exists on Earth, it must exist on Mars, and therefore they must have human children as slaves?

Seriously?

Anyway... I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. The arguments you present are both unsound and invalid.

M-Albion-3D
07-27-2017, 06:50 AM
Your response is just one fallacy upon another...

It must be true because NASA denies it?

You spread fake news, for which there is no evidence whatsoever, but somehow want me to prove that there is no slave colony on Mars?

From an epistemological perspective we all speak nonsense until such time as our "speak" is verified as true? Err... no. Something is nonsense if there is no way to verify or falsify. Verifiability / falsifiability are the epistemological criteria, not verified / falsified.

Because slavery exists on Earth, it must exist on Mars, and therefore they must have human children as slaves?

Seriously?

Anyway... I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. The arguments you present are both unsound and invalid.

Yes agreed I'm done wasting my time on this thread as well, your responses are also unsound but it matters not, it was knee jerk post for me anyhow.

Thread closure requested.

M-Albion-3D
07-27-2017, 07:10 AM
Your response is just one fallacy upon another...

It must be true because NASA denies it?

You spread fake news, for which there is no evidence whatsoever, but somehow want me to prove that there is no slave colony on Mars?

From an epistemological perspective we all speak nonsense until such time as our "speak" is verified as true? Err... no. Something is nonsense if there is no way to verify or falsify. Verifiability / falsifiability are the epistemological criteria, not verified / falsified.

Because slavery exists on Earth, it must exist on Mars, and therefore they must have human children as slaves?

Seriously?

Anyway... I'm not going to waste anymore time on this. The arguments you present are both unsound and invalid.

I just read this a second time and missed it earlier.

Just for the record Garuda, your quote above "You spread fake news, for which there is no evidence whatsoever" I assume you are refering to me?

Kindly enlighten me, can you show me "where and when" I have spread fake news for which there is no evidence whatsoever"?

Respectfully,
Mal

M-Albion-3D
07-27-2017, 07:12 AM
On second thoughts, no worries - thread closed. thank you.

A99
07-27-2017, 01:36 PM
Child Slaves on Mars? This reminds me of that Temple of Doom, Indiana Jones movie.

https://bplusmovieblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/indiana-jones-and-the-temple-of-doom-1278.png?w=590

calikid
07-28-2017, 02:02 PM
This thread has been locked after a staff review.
Subject matter lacking in substance, with elements of sensationalism.