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Longeyes
11-12-2018, 10:06 AM
This could be huge no idea if there are any decent other sources for this but it could be massive...


Chinese Initiative for ET Disclosure
Chinese Initiative for Disclosure is to create a World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCETC).

Two weeks ago (Oct 2018) in Moscow a delegation of Chinese and Europeans participated in the launch of the first World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCETC). The opportunity arose because of a joint Russian/Chinese space meeting. The President, Yin Fan invited delegates with expertise in this matter from around the world to participate in a significant development that addresses disclosure....

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/unexplained/chinese-initiative-for-et-disclosure/

Garuda
11-12-2018, 12:56 PM
This could be huge no idea if there are any decent other sources for this but it could be massive...


Chinese Initiative for ET Disclosure
Chinese Initiative for Disclosure is to create a World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCETC).

Two weeks ago (Oct 2018) in Moscow a delegation of Chinese and Europeans participated in the launch of the first World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCETC). The opportunity arose because of a joint Russian/Chinese space meeting. The President, Yin Fan invited delegates with expertise in this matter from around the world to participate in a significant development that addresses disclosure....

https://www.nexusnewsfeed.com/article/unexplained/chinese-initiative-for-et-disclosure/

From people who were present, I can confirm that this is being discussed and that several people I know have been approached.
The idea would be to establish a new, worldwide UFO organization.
At this moment, exploratory conversations are taking place.
I should know more in a few days.

Longeyes
11-12-2018, 01:36 PM
Cheers Garuda
Was it anything to do with the Russian conference which was also quite recent? Was there were Brits there, Australian Chandler, the Brazilian Aj Gevaerd ?

Garuda
11-12-2018, 01:53 PM
Cheers Garuda
Was it anything to do with the Russian conference which was also quite recent? Was there were Brits there, Australian Chandler, the Brazilian Aj Gevaerd ?

Yes, several high profile researchers had been invited to Moscow, where the topic was raised, and even though the conference was in Moscow, the initiative was indeed taken by the Chinese.

Longeyes
11-12-2018, 01:55 PM
From Aj’s site pretty sure this was the meeting think Richard Dolan was there as well

https://ufo.com.br/multimidia/fotos/five-continents-ufo-forum-em-moscou.html
https://ufo.com.br/noticias/abertura-oficial-do-five-continents-ufo-forum-com-o-brasil-em-destaque.html

Longeyes
11-12-2018, 06:52 PM
Don Schmidt for USA
William Chalker for Australia
Micheal Heseltine for UK....
Representatives from Lichtenstein and the Vatican also we’re at this Five Continents UFO.

The Chinese and Russians were behind this

Think perhaps AJ meant Gary Heseltine the policeman who runs PRUFOS the Uk police sightings database. Don Schmidt not Richard Dolan (my mistake)

calikid
11-12-2018, 07:47 PM
From Aj’s site pretty sure this was the meeting think Richard Dolan was there as well

https://ufo.com.br/multimidia/fotos/five-continents-ufo-forum-em-moscou.html
https://ufo.com.br/noticias/abertura-oficial-do-five-continents-ufo-forum-com-o-brasil-em-destaque.html

Is there an English version of this Newstory? Sadly, I read very little EspaŮol (or is it Portuguese?).

Longeyes
11-12-2018, 09:00 PM
Copy the link into google translate that’s what I usually do.
Aj’s site stops you from copying it directly even the translation.

Garuda
11-13-2018, 03:13 AM
Don Schmidt for USA
William Chalker for Australia
Micheal Heseltine for UK....
Representatives from Lichtenstein and the Vatican also we’re at this Five Continents UFO.

The Chinese and Russians were behind this

Think perhaps AJ meant Gary Heseltine the policeman who runs PRUFOS the Uk police sightings database. Don Schmidt not Richard Dolan (my mistake)

Yep, it was Gary Heseltine who was there.

Longeyes
11-13-2018, 08:24 AM
Yep, it was Gary Heseltine who was there.

Did you represent South Africa?

Garuda
11-13-2018, 11:44 AM
Did you represent South Africa?

No, I wasn't there, but I am being kept in the loop.


EDIT TO ADD: the conference was called the 'Five Continents UFO Forum'. Africa was not included.

CasperParks
11-14-2018, 12:01 AM
How did I miss this thread?

Please keep us updated....

Garuda
11-15-2018, 08:30 AM
Update: the goal is to create an official UN Office that deals with UFOs. The Chinese want that Office to be in China, and are willing to pay for it.

They first want to have 30 representatives of 30 different countries, each representing their country.
It's not clear to me at this stage, whether this quorum is enough to create such an Office or whether there still has to be a vote on it then.

Negotiations are ongoing behind the scenes to get to that quorum, and to get the people involved on the same page.
(Or rather, to select people who are on the same page).

M-Albion-3D
11-15-2018, 04:05 PM
Update: the goal is to create an official UN Office that deals with UFOs. The Chinese want that Office to be in China, and are willing to pay for it.

They first want to have 30 representatives of 30 different countries, each representing their country.
It's not clear to me at this stage, whether this quorum is enough to create such an Office or whether there still has to be a vote on it then.

Negotiations are ongoing behind the scenes to get to that quorum, and to get the people involved on the same page.
(Or rather, to select people who are on the same page).

This is a fascinating development and one that Stephen Bassett has been alluding to for several years, to remove the west from being the purveyors of Disclosure and seeing it break from countries in the east i.e. Russia and China.

IMO, China will select rather than "put it to vote" but we shall see.

Garuda
12-20-2018, 07:31 AM
Some further information...

I attended some meetings with regard to this project, and it became clear that the people who are behind this project are not really on the same page.
One will say they want to create a civilian worldwide coalition of ufologists, while another will tell you that the end purpose is to create a UN office.
So, even when it comes the to basic purpose of the initiative, they are not in agreement.

The article on Nexus contains some plain falsehoods. The guy who is presented as the mayor of Hezee e.g., is not the mayor of Heze.

People are being lured in with false promises about positions in the non-existing UN agency and even the carrot of becoming a diplomat is being dangled, while it's obvious that civilians cannot just declare themselves official UN diplomats without proper accreditation by the governments of the countries they're supposed to represent.

Wait and see is the motto for now.

The initiative does go back to a Chinese organization of (civilian) ufologists, who will elect a new president and board, etc.
So we'll have to see what the intentions of those new board members are.

CasperParks
12-20-2018, 07:05 PM
Some further information...

I attended some meetings with regard to this project, and it became clear that the people who are behind this project are not really on the same page.
One will say they want to create a civilian worldwide coalition of ufologists, while another will tell you that the end purpose is to create a UN office.
So, even when it comes the to basic purpose of the initiative, they are not in agreement.

The article on Nexus contains some plain falsehoods. The guy who is presented as the mayor of Hezee e.g., is not the mayor of Heze.

People are being lured in with false promises about positions in the non-existing UN agency and even the carrot of becoming a diplomat is being dangled, while it's obvious that civilians cannot just declare themselves official UN diplomats without proper accreditation by the governments of the countries they're supposed to represent.

Wait and see is the motto for now.

The initiative does go back to a Chinese organization of (civilian) ufologists, who will elect a new president and board, etc.
So we'll have to see what the intentions of those new board members are.

Thanks for the update...

Longeyes
12-21-2018, 05:10 PM
Thanks Garuda sounds like a right mess.

Longeyes
02-26-2020, 10:18 AM
This is really worth watching. The guy who made has put a lot of hard work into this.
History of the UFO topic at the UN followed by a detailed exposition about the Five Continents Forum.
Its base is going to be in the Chinese Premier's wife's home city. She is allegedly in UFOs.
The Five Continents Forum meeting in Moscow was all apparently paid for by the Chinese Government.
They will probably raise it as an issue at the UN this year.


https://youtu.be/MWKysekGJU8

Longeyes
06-17-2020, 02:14 PM
Just following this up are from a poster, Aoibhghaire in Nov 2018 on the Avalon Forum
was a participant at this past weekend conference in Haskova in Bulgaria (4-5 Nov) Title: "Communications with Extraterrestrial Intelligence".

I met Dr Roberto Pinotti from Italy, a social scientist, who was approached to spear head this initiative. He went to China in July to discuss the plans. Then a number of delegates including two others that attended the Haskova conference told me they had come back from Moscow just two weeks ago after the signing and launching of this initiative. The three delegates I met are now working on this project as explained in the previous OP.

They are now approaching 30 possible persons to become future delegates for this initiative. The plans were at the Moscow meeting and the funding was shown and in place and it is for real. I understand in speaking to Pinotti that in February 2019 will be the launch of the next phase, as per OP.

And this

The launch of the Chinese initiative WCETC happened to be coinciding in Moscow at the Space Expo/Conference which was a Russian/Chinese meeting.

However, another meeting took place within that meeting for the launch of WCETC.
This is NOT a Russian initiative. This is NOT a China/Russian initiative. This is NOT a cooperation between China and Russia. This is a Chinese initiative that encompasses the world. A group of 9 delegates were invited from all continents. In fact it was the international delegates themselves that worked out the appropriate potential delegates to attend this meeting. There wasn't even a Russian delegate selected. The Chinese are relying on the International network of experts in order for this initiative to work. In fact, it was the international delegates who put the structure and organisation together for the Chinese to fund. The Chinese admitted that they donít have the knowledge/expertise in this area and are well aware of the many experts internationally. The Chinese canít progress this initiative without the international community. The executive Council will be selected by February 2019. This will be made up of 7 persons whom only one is Chinese.

The structure and funding were signed up by the international delegates and launched by the Chinese and delegates to start the next goal to be completed for February 2019. The idea is that the international delegates, including China as a delegate, are now setting the milestones and goals as outlined in a previous contribution here.

The delegates I met in Haskova this past weekend were optimistic and are working now towards achieving the next goal for February 2019.
Personally, I am a cautiously optimistic. I wasnít at the Moscow event, so therefore I am relying on others discriminating abilities whom I know well for the past 20 years for carrying out such a Ďsignificant initiative.í

Five Continents International Forum is attempting to bring the UFO issue to the United Nations. The next Chinese meeting will be held in Heze mid-2020. This meeting will have the all the representatives from 30 countries. See previous information of this subject on this forum.

There are government representatives from countries like Granada, San Marino whom are still contenders to make the announcement. But the initiative may have be finally secured by the one country it needs to make the UFO Disclosure announcement to the UN. Prince Hans-Adam II (Prince Regnant of Liechtenstein) is the head of his country has agreed to represent his country and to possibly make the announcement.

This is the minimum requirement one country and 30 official representatives. The official representatives have been given diplomatic status, this addresses the full requirements to make the announcement. Previous attempts of disclosure back in the 1960s and late 1970s didnít have such a comprehensive international group as it is now taking place. This work in progress is very much a Chinese cultural approach as compared to the US/UK policy with frequent disinformation announcements for the past 70 years whenever there was public interest.

The situation is going to be interesting now with the original planned disinformation agents from AATIP/TTSA. Even the Pentagon videos are in dispute. This is becoming a weak situation for western intelligence agents. They are well aware of the Chinese initiative and its becoming stronger.

The Chinese have let the established international forum open up to who may get involved because of their wealth of international experience in the field. The international part of the forum selected the key persons and got agreements to be representatives for their country. Knowing some of the key participants I donít think they will allow AATIP/TTSA into the group. The intelligence community are probably trying to design obstacles that may take effect before any announcement. IMHO the Chinese approach may supersede any western attempts.

The Chinese Initiative disclosure starts from 12.30 mins

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKysekGJU8

Longeyes
06-17-2020, 02:19 PM
And this Jan 2020 she posted



World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCEC) (HQ in Heze, China) criteria has already selected representatives from each country (30 in total) in order to qualify for the requirements needed for Unitec Nations participation and final disclosure. The selection process was only initiated by the international UFO community, not by the Chinese members. My understanding is that each representative is an individual selected based on their historical merits. All representatives have signed an agreement to the criteria of the WCEC goal. Each representative has also agreed to the terms and conditions. This means agencies, groups, etc have not been selected.

IMHO, the Executive Council are well aware of not entertaining other parties agendas and goals. Example, AATIP/TTSA do not fit the WCEC criteria.

The country representative declares that it is there personal belief that an extraterrestrial/non-human intelligence is interacting with planet Earth. The UFO/UAP issue is complex but it is important to acknowledge now that it is real and acts with intelligence. The country representative belief is based on circumstantial evidence collected from around the world and the representative is prepared and willing to state this publicly. For example, AATIP/TTSA media communications and policies to the outside world does not underscore the requirements for the selection process and also significantly indicates a hidden agenda that is not aligned to the WCEC policies.

The four senior positions on the Executive Council for the World Coalition on ET Contact. The votes cast by them were unanimous.
World Coalition on Extraterrestrial Contact (WCEC).

Roberto Pinotti - Vice President.
Continental Director North America - Don Schmitt.
Continental Director South America - A. J. Gevaerd.
Continental Director Europe – Gary Heseltine.

I don’t know the positions for the other continents.

Longeyes
06-17-2020, 02:22 PM
And this last post in April 2020 is a bit disappointing...



The Chinese Initiative has been called off because of two matters. The City of Heze where the WCEC HQ was to be established had a major mining disaster last year that has affected the economy of Heze. Last discussions were in March 2020 and there was no change from last years event. A new city was proposed for to progress the discussions with the 32 country delegates, but the circumstances have prevented any progress. In addition the Coronavirus has also exacerbated the situation.

The World Coalition on Extra-terrestrial Contact (WCEC) with 32 countries has taken awhile for full agreement from each delegate country. To abandon this historical success would retrograde progress so far. Each delegate had to take an oath to agree to the mission statement and policies of the WCEC.

During this April 2020, since the launch back in October 2018 in Moscow, it was decided that the (WCEC) should go ahead without China. This was agreed on this month and will be setting up WCEC as an International NGO that would be recognised by United Nations.

However, in order to launch this initiative at the UN that are some requirements:

1. WCEC needs to be an INGO.

2. A selected sovereign state (country) needs to back the initiative and addresses the UN.

Because China is no longer involved is a disappointment to all delegates, losing out on having the influence of China at the UN, also being part of the Security Council, plus the previous substantial funding to back this type of initiative may be a major set back, but can still be a powerful force if designed another way.

At present a new manifesto is being developed with the agreed mission statement by all delegates.
WCEC has 32 delegates from 32 countries. Each delegate has been selected from each country that will act for the WCEC mission. Previous details were posted in PA.

Discussions have just started with the Republic of San Marino (country) at a high level. Once the WCEC manifesto is agreed upon and finalized this will be submitted to the government of San Marino.

Just recently the organisation called To The Stars Academy (TTSA) have shown interest of being involved with this initiative through there spokesperson Luiz Elizondo. Discussions have taken place with Luiz Elizondo and two principle delegates from the WCEC.

Recent discussions of the 32 delegates from WCEC are debating the pros and cons of having TTSA involved. If WCEC and the San Marino government go ahead with the initiative and launch at the UN, the media involvement would be weak for such an important event, in particular, any financial support that was originally established, constrains any significant progress for the future.

Ufological history has shown that there was never 32 countries plus the President of one country launch UFO/ET subject to the next level on a worldwide basis. There was a UFO committee back in 1978 that wasn’t based on a powerful force of this nature and was unsuccessful for other reasons.

The specific guidelines of TTSA shows NO mention of ExtraterrestrIal/Alien/UFOs. TTSA strategy in its offering does not mention the WCEC. However, the WCEC had no manifesto at the time of the discussions with TTSA. It would be of know surprise for the TTSA cause to be interested in having the Republic of San Marino support at the UN.

The policy of TTSA are the following:

1. Does not allow the ET and Alien or UFOs as mentioned in there remit.

2. They are part of the government of the United States. TTSA is within the military part with a remit to find the source of the phenomena and discover the ‘treasure’ so to speak. This is a well-known military policy. This isn’t aligned with WCEC and the public’s interest. A TTSA policy of the phenomena is designed with an intent as a threat, which is a false premise but advantageous for military industrial business.

3. A small faction in the military are for 'Pro Disclosure', however, a slow disclosure is an attempt on their own terms, a well measured strategy for a long duration with no final outcome and consistent frequent disinformation to perpetrate distraction and confusion.

We have an interesting dilemma that is currently being debated. If the WCEC partner with TTSA plus having the Republic of San Marino backing the initiative, may result with a very different manifesto.

However, the 'advantage' of having the partnership of TTSA/WCEC/San Marino may result with significant publicity worldwide which also may trigger funding for the WCEC/San Marino.

This is the current situation with no successful conclusion. However, it will be interesting to see how this unfolds with the present scenario.



Garuda any more news on this?

Garuda
06-18-2020, 12:14 PM
No need to waste anymore time on this, at least not for now, as shis initiative is completely dead.
That news from January 2020 actually dates back almost a year.
None of the people I know who were selected to represent their countries have since had any updates.
As I said from the beginning, this was dodgy. People were lured in with false promises, and the alleged main sponsor had never agreed to sponsor anything beyond the one conference.
I was asked to represent South Africa, but during the Skype Meeting where everything was presented and discussed I immediately noticed that I was being presented with false information, and never took the bait.