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Fore
08-12-2021, 08:18 AM
I've always wondered where Tom Delonge got "The Others" term from.
I went through his Joe Rogan interview about a month ago trying to ascertain that and also to ascertain why UFOlogy has such a disdain for him.

It was truly an atrocious interview. Pontif, it looks blatantly clear to me that he is experiencing a remote psychic attack from ET. His thoughts are diffused. He looks like hes sweating and out of it, his chain of thoughts are all over the place.

I recall anytime I ever tried to talk over the phone about even a little bit, the ET would focus in on me and I'd get palpitations, extreme nervousness like I was doing something very wrong, my chest would hurt real bad, and I'd stammer.

Not because I didn't know the subject inside and out. But because their intense focus was making me feel downright awful and what should come out smoothly wasn't.

That's why I never do anything live and impromptu. Even in my own mind it is forbidden to talk about it outloud or even write anything down physically. I get the shivers when I talk about it in person.

It took me a while to get through that feeling of dread when writing online. Even then, if I talk about something sensitive, I feel awful. If the ET's suppress me, my sugar level drops like a rock and my chest hurts a ton. I am remembering how many times I had to lay down because it was so debilitating. (You guys really don't know how bad it was in the early days). The ET's did it so intensely that my family was affected by it in unison.

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Also,

It's like my psyche has strong auto-suggestions baked in. If you asked to talk to me right now over a cell phone, my mind goes to "whoa, whoa, whoa....hell no" like your asking me to give you keys to a money vault or something. I automatically feel irrational pervasive fear about interviews of anysort.

A part of me is like set against me, like a powerful series of suggestions that never goes away.

When I saw Tom Delonge acting unhinged on Joe Rogan. I felt right away, "I know what that is. It looks so familiar...he seems to be under Duress."

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I've tried to influence a small corner of the audience to reconsider his testimony. Explaining what he might have been under. That interview seemed to destroy the TTSA.

I also explained what Tom Delonge meant in many of his expressions of hidden information. How he seemed to at times, poorly understand the subject matters he touches upon. The other audience seemed to understand. Tom Delonge has coincidentally begun to make interviews again starting tomorrow.

Hopefully, he consider some form of countermeasure for any remote interference.
He's technically working for the opposing team. (opposing the ET)
Dr. Greer is for the team. (For the ET)

I myself am against the team. :angel_not:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BjUK5V5sTg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn2h2phywNE

Fore
08-12-2021, 08:21 AM
If you want to see how badly the Joe Rogan interview went:

The free Youtube link to a small portion of the full broadcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-wVdi_Vcsw

Full episode (requires free registration with an Email):
https://open.spotify.com/episode/2ybsXdWAtxqLBdRByLb2YG

Garuda
08-12-2021, 08:56 AM
I am beside myself with awe, shock and bewilderment.

I think Tom Delonge literally lifted data off my previous accounts. I just noticed someone posting information that Delonge supposedly released...about how "filaments" intersect with brain tissue to drive conscious activity.

Worse yet, I think DOD research slides share a hell of an uncanny resemblance to all the specifics we've talked about over the years. Did these people really use online forums to source lines of inquiry? It just seems downright bizarre and unreal.

Its inducing shock to my mind. Now I am paranoid as to whether those Human Group ET's really were being serious in saying I was an "Infamous" leaker. I had no idea people would ever actually use it for anything serious.

You may remember back in the OMF days that the Pentagon and CIA were daily visitors of the forum...

pontificator
08-12-2021, 09:59 AM
@Fore, One of the most amusing things is that for some strange reason nobody seems to bother warning me much. Or, at the very least, I have only received the odd warning about actions specifically.
I think the closest I ever received to a warning of sorts, was when I ensured I had my own backup copy of the my threads and yours from OMF. There was a sad resignation from an entity with a female signature, which, after careful review over time I came to the conclusion was some form of monitoring entity.

Following that theme, there was a time where I was playing Mount and Blade, terribly buggy, and had almost conquered a castle when it crashed out. I worked out why this had happened fairly quickly, based on a mental logic model, but then went and dived into battle despite being aware it would happen again. At that time, the female entity concerned "frowned/disapproved" is the best way to put it.

It also disapproved of being teased, when I went on a jaunt in Skyrim, where you can basically get character buffs via the blessings from giving items to one of the alters of the in-game "gods"... well, during one such test I thought mentally "oh look, I'm giving a sacrifice to a false idol", boy did that make it frown/disapprove. Anyway, never did that again, careful testing seemed to be indicating it was either a long-suffering monitoring entity, or a Guardian Angel, but I didn't pick up anything from it to indicate exactly what it was; probably not enough ability my end.

There was an interesting time where I did run a sort of Guardian Angel test, where I basically thought along the lines of "undoubtedly you are seriously frustrated with me, and you need to vent your anger, so I'm giving you explicit permission to shout at me." I also backed that by essentially saying to God that it was all good and to permit it to do so. Anyway, it was not an audible shout, but it certainly rattled my tree :) It was at that point I became aware of the overall structure of the spiritual body in my case, which really is like a tree. It also gave me great insight into exactly what the blind man saw when Jesus restored his sight, in terms of him seeing far more than mortals should. In this case, the entity was a male signature, and that is most interesting indeed.

So, there are many ways of finding information, where things are permitted, and they reveal things which you otherwise did not know. It seems that guidance or an external conscience is provided by a female signature, whereas the normal rounds are done by a male signature who does not "talk" or impart empathic information. From this, we have to wonder how that dynamic works, and if the overall structure on that front is parental, in terms of a male and female working with the same subject.

I do know when I started looking into growing vegetables, and getting a poor starter project going, I sensed "male stern approval", somewhat along the lines of "he's finally doing something right." This particular entity can be violent when it wants... and seems to be a tad oversensitive at times. Be aware all the above mentioned things take place over many years, it is very rare for anything to happen. When I was around 13, I did sense concern from an entity [not enough ability to determine signature, but review suggests the female entity], and this occurred when my glasses were being stolen way back then (along with a pile of other things from the other kids.) Not knowing why, and then finding out why, is one of those bad moments when you realise why your life is hard at times. I wouldn't have another supernatural experience until years later when I encountered the murder site...

Fore
08-12-2021, 10:40 AM
You may remember back in the OMF days that the Pentagon and CIA were daily visitors of the forum...I do. And a ton more IP blocks that I didn't know what they were (from the Alphabet soup). I vaguely remember IP's that seemed to belong to the marines.

Fore
08-12-2021, 11:22 AM
@ Pontif, I'll share some speculation of mine on paranormal issues.

I could definitely be wrong about this but (without ESP) it seems that you can only psychically sense entities who have similar influence to you.

If you have a lot of "influence" from an ET stuck in your field, that little bit of them allows you (without ESP) to sense ET's of a similar configuration if they approach your immediate surroundings.

Same with the Angels/UT and the paranormal types.

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Unless you have some sort of active ESP in your skillset, you shouldn't be able to naturally sense them. Your "Influence Structures" are pre-set to detect your own Influence type. Unless you project it beyond the confines of your body and you are able to sense interference with other configurations of Influence (also called ESP)....

Then you simply won't notice what's around you unless it does something very obvious to induce interference with your field, like interacting with it.

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An Angel could be 30 feet above your head and you wouldn't notice it (without ESP) unless you had something in common. (short of physical distortions cause by excess concentrations of influence)

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ET embed (a fragment) of influence into your body so they can resonate with their own influence field type from far away. That fragment blends into your own field type.

When they emit data, their embedded fragment in your body reacts to it and you can sense it.
It's how they apparently do "passive" Telepathy. They can also sense your fields data through that fragment.

So when you actively think something, that data is picked up by the fragment and its owner senses the data in your own field.

"Active Telepathy" just means it requires targeting parameters to remotely intersect some foreign influence field. Line of sight or through relative spatial position, or recalling a specific signature unique to you.

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So if you've got alot of stains (of different kinds) in your field, you may want to diagnose it to see whats embedded in "you".

Remove the stain in your field, and you've effectively cut the "line of association".

Sorry for the long winded response.

pontificator
08-12-2021, 01:59 PM
Thinking on it, they have technically left the key to their souls with me... "It is time for more experiments..."

Fore
08-12-2021, 06:34 PM
I suppose your not wrong about that.
Technically, if they (an ET) have other fragments inside their own field, you should be able to access their telepathic network.

For example, last night while writing that post, I was aware that since a day or two some foreign "ET" entity was nearby in the sky somewhere. I could sense it's structured influence in the general area.

Unlike the years before now, I am not able to pinpoint where it is as I have no ESP actively in use.

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Which makes me wonder...I wasn't aware Puthoff from the TTSA was in charge of a psychic program called "Stargate". (What a silly name in my opinion)
I thought Kit Green was in charge of that? (Sorry, I don't keep track of it)

I wonder if they ever figured out such a thing as described above for their own uses.

I have a good idea of what the psychic program might really have been useful for and perhaps it's not what is widely understood. If I am wrong and they didn't actively use it for that then...wow. They really missed that boat.


https://youtu.be/9r1NwdZ4AAk

Fore
08-13-2021, 12:49 AM
Very good interview aired today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBSdg3nwxoo

Fore
08-13-2021, 12:55 AM
I gave him alot of notes to clarify working concepts. I do believe He read through them as you can see.

Lets see what the Dr. Greer Faction does next...

pontificator
08-13-2021, 03:11 AM
I ran a briefish experiment, where I isolated the what seemed to be a few candidate areas, and then interlinked them. It certainly had an effect, very weird field changes and I suspect the subsequent feedback loop caused all sorts of fun problems ;)
I'm wondering what other "fun" things I could do; perhaps a few insects added into the mix.

Sansanoy
08-14-2021, 12:21 PM
I think it kind of makes sense for UFO figureheads to hit the forums. There is a saying in that group that I recently heard regarding that blue avian guy from Gaia TV. Forget his name. But the saying is that you're only as good as the information you have to reveal. So a lot of these people have expiration dates, and those that are researchers need to regularly make new interviews so they need new information. From what I gather from his books I wonder if he ever interacts with divine council theology.

pontificator
08-14-2021, 01:09 PM
Finally finished getting through that set of videos, the Puthoff one was particularly informative. As with most things, I suspect the reality is there is a paucity of information , and in terms of the big picture, it's too compartmentalised.

That experiment I ran yesterday has had very odd effects, I'm going to check a few more things there, but it looks like it activated something. I was even getting the query system to work for the higher mind [poorly]:
[command word activation, I use for safety] "search and identify third-party entity shards present" : "39"
"Proportion from individual entities" : "31"
"Identify nature of remainder" : confused mix "machine intelligences/devices/other"

However, when I did a quick test on shower water temperature, and a secondary test to see if it could do a Fahrenheit conversion, it was about 4 degrees C off [after doing the calc to give a reverse figure]. Note, I can't mentally do that conversion to save my life.
Point being, I wouldn't trust those earlier numbers to be accurate; at best, I'd say there were 4 definitive possibilities, but 39 seems ridiculous (clarification there, Fore? I'm not sure what the average count should be.)
I'll do some hop tests, more tap tests against likely shards, and further RV tests on that UFO base Puthoff mentioned, which is apparently at a specific mountain in OZ (it's not that far away, really.)
If I'm lucky, I'll get into another stare down competition with a Grey; there's this very cold mechanical feedback you get from that, which is rather unique in terms of the sensation (I find these particular instances provide great material for my descriptive writing.)

@Sansonoy, conversely, it does suggest most of those researchers are disconnected from direct research, that is they don't have the abilities people like us end up with to do original research using the phenomena itself. In turn, it does pose the question "is that on purpose?"

Maybe I should make an account and do a "Pontificator was here" post on one of these live feeds, for a laugh.

Fore
08-14-2021, 06:03 PM
Context is King:

https://youtu.be/IbZJOALUPok

(Aired Yesterday):

https://youtu.be/Qpq97N0aeEk

Fore
08-14-2021, 07:03 PM
I am starting to strongly wonder if we've got this all wrong.
What if the concept of the Anti-Christ is not a single person but a group of figures? (666 of them?)

I am starting to consider the possibility that God in the Book of "Revelations" might be talking about a spiritual condition among humanity. (The man of perdition/ruin), (The Falling Away) etc.

If I frame the story differently I don't know if I am breaking things left and right but it is curious the way certain passages of scripture and Daniel are worded.

I wonder if the symbols present in Revelations is supposed to be like a multi-faceted reference that says more about the figures than just the words themselves.

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For example, is the "Dragon" a reference to the metaphysical Figurehead of the "Fallen UT"? (Ultra-Terrestrials/The Satan)

(Extra-Terrestrials are from "off world". Ultra-Terrestrials are from other Realities.)

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The First Beast comes up from the "Sea" but also comes from the Abyss/Bottomless Pit. If sit and you think about it, the Physical Bottomless pit is also above our heads and we call it "Space". Also consider God in the very first passages of Genesis builds up reality by "dividing the waters" from one another to build up the Heavens and their separate spaces.

Are "The Waters" of early chapters of Genesis the ancient concepts of a "vast expanse" with the same substance in all directions? I wonder if that is why it is called "the sea". Maybe I am stretching it. But I wonder.

The First Beast is also described as a strange animal made of composite flesh types. It has 10 separate heads speaking blasphemies against God but has one common body between all the heads.

Is that an allusion that the "ET" are a genetic mishmash of different combinations of hybridized Earth Life and that even though they have seemingly different heads, they all come from the same source.

Is it therefore proper to say "The First Beast" ascended out of the "bottomless pit" / "The Sea". It had 10 Heads, 10 Horns (Kings) and it went to war with the "People of God" and overcame them. It also deceived the whole Earth. Then asks mankind to Worship "the Dragon".

(Worship = Pay Mindfulness to, To give Respect, To be Mindful of, To Follow, To Imitate, To Adhere to.)

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The Second Beast rises up from the "Earth", with two horns and speaks like "a Dragon". (also called the false prophet who performs miracles and signs and wonders.)

And tells the People of the Earth to Worship "The First Beast".

This Second Beast (in the Book of Revelations also called The False Prophet) tells humanity to take a mark on their hand or their forehead. (Pontif this is for you, that "stain" in your field)

This "Second Beast" also tells Mankind to make "An Image" to the Beast. Then this Second Beast "breathes life" into this "Image". This image then turns around and begins telling humanity to Worship the "First Beast" and that anyone who refuses to do so...is put to death.

Image = Likeness?

Is this a roundabout way (speculation) of stating that Humanity is asked to make a composite living creature (like the First Beast) which is then infused with a spirit by the "Second Beast" from the Earth?

See where I am going with this?

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As far as I know, only the "ET" have the knowledge to transfer consciousness from one body to another.

What do you all think?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13&version=KJV

Fore
08-14-2021, 07:22 PM
According to the Bible, those who accept "the Mark of the Beast", "The Number of His Name", "or Worship the Beast" are automatically rejected from any inheritance in Heaven.

Just like I've been talking about in previous pages, whoever accepts "their mark" also receives and assumes the same *status* or condition as the hybrids between Humanity and the "Fallen UT".

The individuals are automatically renounce their inheritance in the afterlife. God no longer accepts their spirit. These individuals will become like "the Fallen".

I guess the "Great Deception/Delusion" is there to capture everyone who didn't believe the Testimony put forth by God of how this sordid set of events came about. It looks though, like the majority of Humanity will not listen to His Testimony. :(

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Worse yet, the "ET" and all associated parties must know exactly what they are doing to Humanity....and still do it. That's pretty messed up.

I can definitely see the vast majority believing the lies presented in front of their eyes over what God has said or repeatedly warned them about. Most won't even read the Bible despite all the pleading of warnings.

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Freewill is a like a fire. It can be useful or extremely destructive.

Sansanoy
08-14-2021, 08:38 PM
The First Beast comes up from the "Sea" but also comes from the Abyss/Bottomless Pit. If sit and you think about it, the Physical Bottomless pit is also above our heads and we call it "Space". Also consider God in the very first passages of Genesis builds up reality by "dividing the waters" from one another to build up the Heavens and their separate spaces.

Are "The Waters" of early chapters of Genesis the ancient concepts of a "vast expanse" with the same substance in all directions? I wonder if that is why it is called "the sea". Maybe I am stretching it. But I wonder.

The First Beast is also described as a strange animal made of composite flesh types. It has 10 separate heads speaking blasphemies against God but has one common body between all the heads.

Is that an allusion that the "ET" are a genetic mishmash of different combinations of hybridized Earth Life and that even though they have seemingly different heads, they all come from the same source.

Is it therefore proper to say "The First Beast" ascended out of the "bottomless pit" / "The Sea". It had 10 Heads, 10 Horns (Kings) and it went to war with the "People of God" and overcame them. It also deceived the whole Earth. Then asks mankind to Worship "the Dragon".

(Worship = Pay Mindfulness to, To give Respect, To be Mindful of, To Follow, To Imitate, To Adhere to.)




In ancient cosmology, there is the primordial sea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ocean) which goes down into sheol, as well as the visible heavens, meaning space. It's not a stretch at all.

Leviathan is this primordial creature of chaos. He is even depicted exactly like Revelation depicts (https://www.google.com/search?q=Lotan+Baal&sxsrf=ALeKk00GC5sBruZj7FHm1gOaM8xv9j1N-Q:1628964855697&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_1sz8jrHyAhXxGFkFHR1XDMYQ_AUoAnoECAEQB A&biw=1680&bih=911#imgrc=DH-Yzmm7amGWaM) him. The creature is composite, because the overall myth includes various chaotic forms that are seen as individuals, and as a single creature. As if a head could be sent off on it's own with it's own shape an identity. So Leviathan of the river is different from Leviathan of the another river, but both are Leviathan. Whatever meaning it has should be rooted in Ancient near eastern lore.

I think there is an anti spirit. Not a singular thing, but a mash up of demonic spirits. One of the things I have learned in reading about exorcism, is that there is a hierarchy to hell. They take orders, and they don't break them. So you have a simulated omnipresence, and omniscience. Christians move in various ways that benefit each other without knowing it, like saving up some money for no reason and then coming across someone with a need for that exact amount. We are moved together in various ways by the Holy Spirit as if we are balloons coordinated by the wind. There is an anti spirit out there doing the same, this is why so many of the things you see taking place on the news seem to happen in coordination, without collaboration. There is another wind out there moving the hearts of individuals toward actions that unknowingly to the person involved, combine with an overall goal.

It's hard not to see that whole part about breathing life into an image of something as being in reference to the creation of man. It's seems to be a direct inversion of God saying Let us make man in our image (and breath life into him). Instead the antichrist is making a man in his image, and breathing life into him.

I think you could consider the mark as the opposite of Baptism. In the same way that Baptism is the public announcement of one claiming loyalty to God's kingdom, this mark would appear to the public announcement of claiming loyalty to the adversaries kingdom.

I think that intelligence is a personal faculty, but wisdom is a faculty on loan from God. At the very least God you can't have wisdom without God because being contrary to God is unwise, and being righteous is wise. I wonder if this great delusion is, in part, the withdraw of this faculty of wisdom. That God withdraws this wisdom, because the hearts of men become hardened, and unreceptive, so He no longer restrains the mind and gives them over to their hearts desire by withdrawing this faculty.

I couldn't get my thoughts together as well as I wanted, and my edit timers about out.

pontificator
08-15-2021, 04:29 AM
@Fore, that's one of the problems I'm having, they ["aliens"] certainly keep away and anything else is getting clobbered, but the ability range continues to develop. I'm not 100% sure that works at the moment, as I have asked for it to be dealt to, and that certainly seems to happen. However, the systems in place do not go away.
As it is, I have a sense of imminence, and from what I'm detecting, there is a sense of excitement, and that something is going to happen very soon. Whether that requires proper integration into the "alien" network or not is uncertain.
I can confirm that location mentioned by Puthoff does exist, the imagery [a mix of individuals and internal structures] was rather strong. Given it was a bit too strong, I'm avoiding looking at it again; as in it was bad news.
The ongoing irritate and generally cause disruption side of things is having an effect... to the point one chimed in to tell me to stop. I'll see what run of "horror" will be suitable for them next (at that moment I get a stabbing behind the eye, so they clearly haven't gone away.)

dreamoftheiris
08-15-2021, 07:37 PM
I am starting to strongly wonder if we've got this all wrong.
What if the concept of the Anti-Christ is not a single person but a group of figures? (666 of them?)

I am starting to consider the possibility that God in the Book of "Revelations" might be talking about a spiritual condition among humanity. (The man of perdition/ruin), (The Falling Away) etc.

If I frame the story differently I don't know if I am breaking things left and right but it is curious the way certain passages of scripture and Daniel are worded.

I wonder if the symbols present in Revelations is supposed to be like a multi-faceted reference that says more about the figures than just the words themselves.

----------------

For example, is the "Dragon" a reference to the metaphysical Figurehead of the "Fallen UT"? (Ultra-Terrestrials/The Satan)

(Extra-Terrestrials are from "off world". Ultra-Terrestrials are from other Realities.)

----------------

The First Beast comes up from the "Sea" but also comes from the Abyss/Bottomless Pit. If sit and you think about it, the Physical Bottomless pit is also above our heads and we call it "Space". Also consider God in the very first passages of Genesis builds up reality by "dividing the waters" from one another to build up the Heavens and their separate spaces.

Are "The Waters" of early chapters of Genesis the ancient concepts of a "vast expanse" with the same substance in all directions? I wonder if that is why it is called "the sea". Maybe I am stretching it. But I wonder.

The First Beast is also described as a strange animal made of composite flesh types. It has 10 separate heads speaking blasphemies against God but has one common body between all the heads.

Is that an allusion that the "ET" are a genetic mishmash of different combinations of hybridized Earth Life and that even though they have seemingly different heads, they all come from the same source.

Is it therefore proper to say "The First Beast" ascended out of the "bottomless pit" / "The Sea". It had 10 Heads, 10 Horns (Kings) and it went to war with the "People of God" and overcame them. It also deceived the whole Earth. Then asks mankind to Worship "the Dragon".

(Worship = Pay Mindfulness to, To give Respect, To be Mindful of, To Follow, To Imitate, To Adhere to.)

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The Second Beast rises up from the "Earth", with two horns and speaks like "a Dragon". (also called the false prophet who performs miracles and signs and wonders.)

And tells the People of the Earth to Worship "The First Beast".

This Second Beast (in the Book of Revelations also called The False Prophet) tells humanity to take a mark on their hand or their forehead. (Pontif this is for you, that "stain" in your field)

This "Second Beast" also tells Mankind to make "An Image" to the Beast. Then this Second Beast "breathes life" into this "Image". This image then turns around and begins telling humanity to Worship the "First Beast" and that anyone who refuses to do so...is put to death.

Image = Likeness?

Is this a roundabout way (speculation) of stating that Humanity is asked to make a composite living creature (like the First Beast) which is then infused with a spirit by the "Second Beast" from the Earth?

See where I am going with this?

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As far as I know, only the "ET" have the knowledge to transfer consciousness from one body to another.

What do you all think?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13&version=KJV



This makes sense to me. It's interesting making the connections between different sources of information. I have been studying the major arcanum of the Tarot and how it relates to spiritual growth and there are some interesting parallels here. (I made a few videos on this topic if anyone is interested (https://youtu.be/PW0Nnk6RnA0) )


If you take a look at the card "The Devil" (called "The Matrix of the Spirit (https://www.lawofone.info/images/)" in the Law of One material) - you'll see a monstrous entity standing among destroyed pillars with two slaves chained to him. The slaves have heads of goats. The entity is known as "Typhon" in ancient Egyptian myth which symbolizes "Egotism", "Pride", "Insolence", etc.

Typhon is standing between the rubble of destroyed pillars and in the card "Isis Unveiled" (or The Potentiator of the Spirit (https://www.lawofone.info/images/) in the Law of One material), Isis is shown between two pillars, symbolizing the fact that "Nature obtains productivity by means of polarity".

The fact that Typhon is standing on top of the rubble of two pillars is signifying that there is an attempt to bypass the natural means of evolution, essentially an arrogance that attempts to remove "God" or the "Divine" from the equation.

This is an archetype that tells the story of how beings can forfeit their freedom and become slaves of a monstrous entity, rendering them similar to it.


The next card after "The Devil" is known as the "Blasted Tower" (or "The Potentiator of the Spirit (https://www.lawofone.info/images/)" in the Law of One material)

This card depicts lightning striking a tower and destroying it. You can see this as the end result of the arrogance of the "Devil". The blindness results in the building of "towers of rigid structure" which inevitably get met with the thunderbolts from above.

There are parallels to the archetypal story of the Tower of Babel - a myth that is depicted in many different cultures across the world. The story tells the tale of a world as one people who attempt to bypass Nature and reach the Divine by means of building a tower. This tower is then destroyed by God who scatters the people across the world, giving them different languages and making them unable to communicate with each other.

This archetype, I believe, is depicting the inevitable result of any arrogant attempt to bypass God. Eventually, thunderbolts will reign down. And the deeper the arrogance, the greater the separation, the greater the fall.


The thunderbolts, however, provide the illumination necessary to see through the blindness of the rigid intellect, if only briefly.



I think while there is an active attempt to get us to become like "them" - i.e. artificial, ultimately, this plan will not succeed.




In ancient cosmology, there is the primordial sea which goes down into sheol, as well as the visible heavens, meaning space. It's not a stretch at all.

Leviathan is this primordial creature of chaos. He is even depicted exactly like Revelation depicts him. The creature is composite, because the overall myth includes various chaotic forms that are seen as individuals, and as a single creature. As if a head could be sent off on it's own with it's own shape an identity. So Leviathan of the river is different from Leviathan of the another river, but both are Leviathan. Whatever meaning it has should be rooted in Ancient near eastern lore.

I think there is an anti spirit. Not a singular thing, but a mash up of demonic spirits. One of the things I have learned in reading about exorcism, is that there is a hierarchy to hell. They take orders, and they don't break them. So you have a simulated omnipresence, and omniscience. Christians move in various ways that benefit each other without knowing it, like saving up some money for no reason and then coming across someone with a need for that exact amount. We are moved together in various ways by the Holy Spirit as if we are balloons coordinated by the wind. There is an anti spirit out there doing the same, this is why so many of the things you see taking place on the news seem to happen in coordination, without collaboration. There is another wind out there moving the hearts of individuals toward actions that unknowingly to the person involved, combine with an overall goal.

It's hard not to see that whole part about breathing life into an image of something as being in reference to the creation of man. It's seems to be a direct inversion of God saying Let us make man in our image (and breath life into him). Instead the antichrist is making a man in his image, and breathing life into him.

I think you could consider the mark as the opposite of Baptism. In the same way that Baptism is the public announcement of one claiming loyalty to God's kingdom, this mark would appear to the public announcement of claiming loyalty to the adversaries kingdom.

I think that intelligence is a personal faculty, but wisdom is a faculty on loan from God. At the very least God you can't have wisdom without God because being contrary to God is unwise, and being righteous is wise. I wonder if this great delusion is, in part, the withdraw of this faculty of wisdom. That God withdraws this wisdom, because the hearts of men become hardened, and unreceptive, so He no longer restrains the mind and gives them over to their hearts desire by withdrawing this faculty.



@Sansanoy interesting observation about the mark being the opposite of Baptism. I totally agree that you cannot have true wisdom without God. I think, going back to the analogy of the Tarot, the world has turned away from dogmatic religion in favor of dogmatic science. We have traded in one tower for another - a tower of religious dogmatism for a tower of rigid, rational intellect. What's needed, in my view, is a strengthening of intution

The intellect alone cannot provide the wisdom necessary to see through falsity. By itself, the intellect is blind. Intuition provides the means to progress and true spiritual evolution. And that comes from the Higher Self, that part of us that is closest to God.

Being totally cut off from this higher insight makes artificial beings completely beholden to the "lower, rational intellect". Unable to truly evolve.

CasperParks
08-16-2021, 05:50 PM
I was skimming the thread, and find Christian Biblical Prophecy interesting:

Mention of the "sea" being outer space possibly holds value.

Mark of the Beast: It's believed by some people that the "Grays" are a "Hive Mind". As far as the "Mark of the Beast" it could be a Bio Chip implant, electronic tattoo or something akin to either that we haven't seen yet. Either way, it is a loss of Freewill...

Is it possible that the leader / leaders of a Gray Hive Mind claim "Look at humans of the Earth, they are evolving toward a Hive Mind therefore the Earth and her inhabitants are ours."

Have those on Earth suffered; Alien Contamination and Interference? If so, was it the Grays that committed the offense?

If that statement is true; Has there been and is there an ongoing attempt at an Intervention? I believe that Christ taught Freewill... If that is true, would it be considered as an Intervention?

The Mark of the Beast, if a RFID Bio Chip Implant, Electronic Tattoo, or something akin to either becomes a reality... At first anyone refusing it will be boycotted... "Can't buy or Sell without it". "Won't be able to find employment without it." After a period of time "It becomes law" to have it...

My opinion: Massive Surveillance is akin to a Hive Mind. It seems as if most Apps for cellphones are very intrusive, tracking whereabouts, likes and dislikes, contact lists and so-on. Corporations hold onto data, and often share it with governments...

Again, all of this conjecture... As time passes, we'll learn more... Conjecture allows us to be on-guard in the event something turns out to be reality or close to it.

pontificator
08-17-2021, 06:30 AM
Oh joy:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/wild-weather-alert-thunderstorms-auckland-harbour-bridge-severe-wind-warning/FXGGBON3M752GM4MBSSIW2AMVU/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-coronavirus-case-identified-in-auckland-community-no-link-to-border-or-miq/JQEPSWCF7HZBEYK472MDETKMQE/

And I've missed the opportunity to witness the supermarket Chaos again... they always panic buy before I leave work, most disappointing. It seems every time something exciting is going down, I miss it by the time I arrive.

pontificator
08-17-2021, 08:08 AM
There's even this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/transpower-issues-emergency-notice-for-national-grid/XC37LGOJTLCS6HKID5XVUMTXUM/
If they shutdown the power tonight, I'll be in level 4 with a small datacenter offline, with a very difficult application path to even power it back on.
When it rains, it pours. Wouldn't surprise me if I receive an Alien raiding party tonight, just to make things even more "exciting".

Fore
08-17-2021, 09:56 PM
There's even this: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/transpower-issues-emergency-notice-for-national-grid/XC37LGOJTLCS6HKID5XVUMTXUM/
If they shutdown the power tonight, I'll be in level 4 with a small datacenter offline, with a very difficult application path to even power it back on.
When it rains, it pours. Wouldn't surprise me if I receive an Alien raiding party tonight, just to make things even more "exciting".

You're serious? They are going to cut power to a datacenter?
You can't exactly spin that up easily...are they crazy?

(Joke post below)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeFtwtvy4Wc

pontificator
08-18-2021, 03:33 AM
I'll remind everyone of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Auckland_power_crisis
At the moment there is a problem where NZ is going towards complete electrification and discontinuing many services along the way (natural gas being one.)
However, here's the situation:
While Gas power plants are being decommissioned, Coal plants are taking up the slack and burning more than ever before; crazy...
The current generation capacity is such that during this cold winter the power grid is not coping, this is the second time a managed shutdown of various services has been performed to make the grid stable (they start by turning off everyones water heaters, then disconnect less critical customers in the outback etc.) This is mainly due to the push for everyone to move from wood fired burners to heat pumps.
Add to this the idea of going all electric for vehicles, but not bringing on enough extra capacity, then you can see where this is going.
Totally nuts...

I should rephrase that to a small server farm; the scale of datacentres in NZ is not exactly that big, but they come with the same problems. However, Microsoft and Google are looking to build their own, but I'm not sure if they'll be too happy with the power situation.

Fore
08-19-2021, 06:34 AM
@ Admins

https://i.imgur.com/JyqmobE.jpg

Are Open Minds Productions affiliated with Open Minds Forums (our original forum that was on proboards?).

Or are these two completely separate entities run by completely different people?

ScaRZ
08-19-2021, 02:49 PM
This "Second Beast" also tells Mankind to make "An Image" to the Beast. Then this Second Beast "breathes life" into this "Image". This image then turns around and begins telling humanity to Worship the "First Beast" and that anyone who refuses to do so...is put to death.

Image = Likeness?

Is this a roundabout way (speculation) of stating that Humanity is asked to make a composite living creature (like the First Beast) which is then infused with a spirit by the "Second Beast" from the Earth?



Fore......I read your post and it hit upon the subject of The Second Beast I've been studying on for several weeks.

As we continue onward in time there will be a peeling away, layer by layer. The light will soon reach layers that have always been there but were never seen. The light will reveal them only when it is the correct time for fulfillment to be accomplished.

Revelation 13 has really gotten my attention and has me thinking about the beast coming up out of the earth. This second beast I believe to be The False Prophet is given power that blows my mind.
I have believed for some time now that this beast could be more than a mortal human.

Revelation 13:14-15

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

As we can read he or it is given this ability to do signs in the presence or by the authority of the first beast. This second beast tells those who dwell on earth to make an image to the first beast. I have wondered for many years what this image could be. Most seem to believe it is a statue but I think it could be something much more.

We humans were created to image God......."In other words we are to be Imagers of God." This isn't just about an outward appearance but most importantly to image his very character. This is what being "One" with God is all about. Jesus Christ was the perfect example of a true "Imager of God".

I believe this image that those who dwell on earth are to make is accomplished by.....A mixing of DNA...Genetics.... of the first beast. This image is an Imager of The First Beast.

The second beast is given the ability or power to give Breath to this Imager of The First Beast. Remember when God gave the breath of life to Adam?......"When this occurred Adam (The Man) became a living soul." We now see this second beast gives the breath of life to this Imager of The First Beast. The False Prophet is given the power to bring this Imager to life and can now speak because he is alive and people are now to serve or worship this Imager who was brought to life by this False Prophet.

As it is written......."If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb."

Big question......"If this second beast (The False Prophet) isn't a mortal human, then who are what is he/it?

epo333
08-19-2021, 03:10 PM
@ Admins

https://i.imgur.com/JyqmobE.jpg

Are Open Minds Productions affiliated with Open Minds Forums (our original forum that was on proboards?).

Or are these two completely separate entities run by completely different people?

@Fore:

They were/are two completely separate entities run by completely different people!

That was even more confusing "back in the days" . . .

Garuda
08-19-2021, 04:03 PM
@Fore:

They were/are two completely separate entities run by completely different people!

That was even more confusing "back in the days" . . .

To add to the confusion, several of their reporters were members of OMF.

Fore
08-20-2021, 06:57 AM
Fore......I read your post and it hit upon the subject of The Second Beast I've been studying on for several weeks. First, I have missed you. Don't be a stranger :)


As we continue onward in time there will be a peeling away, layer by layer. The light will soon reach layers that have always been there but were never seen. The light will reveal them only when it is the correct time for fulfillment to be accomplished. Yes, it almost as if the book of Revelations is only for some to understand in it's full depth.

Perhaps it becomes widely easily understood in general as someone reading it as history (after the events have come and gone) rather than pre-history. (prophecy, where only those who are intended to understand, actually do?)


Revelation 13 has really gotten my attention and has me thinking about the beast coming up out of the earth. This second beast I believe to be The False Prophet is given power that blows my mind.
I have believed for some time now that this beast could be more than a mortal human.

Revelation 13:14-15

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

As we can read he or it is given this ability to do signs in the presence or by the authority of the first beast. This second beast tells those who dwell on earth to make an image to the first beast. I have wondered for many years what this image could be. Most seem to believe it is a statue but I think it could be something much more.

We humans were created to image God......."In other words we are to be Imagers of God." This isn't just about an outward appearance but most importantly to image his very character. This is what being "One" with God is all about. Jesus Christ was the perfect example of a true "Imager of God". Perhaps the "First Beast" from the sea/bottomless pit is first working it's way up to claiming to be God by establishing well known paradigms from Christian Literature.

#1 on that list (for me anyway) is the proposition the "First Beast" having "Thee" divine character.
A supposed peace maker. Reorganizing world politics and factionalism and religions under his own charter.

#2 on that list is to be able to resurrect himself/itself like Jesus The Christ did.
To impart the false idea that it has power over life itself.

#3 on that list is to "give life" to a lifeless being.
Like what God did with Adam.

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If you falsely establish these three points, a peace maker, the ability to resurrect itself on demand and finally the ability to give something lifeless...life. Would it be enough to convince a world of ignorant people, to call it god? In fact, towards the end, he (the First Beast?) literally walks into Gods holy place and declares himself God.

All the while bad mouthing those in the "Heavenly realm" and blaspheming God's good name.
That part does confuse me though, if he claims to be god, then when he badmouths those inhabitants in the higher heavenly places...what does he refer to them as? Is this "First Beast" denouncing a "Supernatural" enemy? An "ET" enemy?

This probably implies the narrative in the near future must be different than we imagine it to be right now.

As he rallies Humanity to gather together to battle God/Christ, then what is the nature of his enemy?

What good would human weapons do against either type? I wonder what storyline it'll use to convince Humanity to move such a massive army...

More importantly, why does the world never question "why does god need human help"?
<mega shrug>
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I believe this image that those who dwell on earth are to make is accomplished by.....A mixing of DNA...Genetics.... of the first beast. This image is an Imager of The First Beast. When I was talking to Pontif about the strain in the field left behind by the ET as a form of easy access.

I wondered in the back of my mind while typing it for him, if this is the nature of future "mark" of the beast. But it implies things that don't correlate with the Bible. So I dunno.

People think its a mircochip or a physical mark.

But if Satan is always trying to counterfeit God's own way of doing things. He's short on one factor I don't think he'd be able to easily replicate. The Holy Spirit of God.

Though, if you are creative enough (puts on Machiavellian cap again), you could mark up all your believers with a supernatural mark. An "influence" stain in their field. The "marked" assuming they are made "psychic" through this process would be able to easily identify who had the mark and who didn't through ESP observation. It would also make sense to put "it" in their hand or in their forehead.

You'd also be (assuming they are all psychic) capable of making the entire world be metaphysically/supernaturally "connected" through that same "mark" in the metaphysical sense. Those "marked" would also be able to easily perceive supernatural communications from their "god".

That's the only way, I can imagine you'd be able to fake "a Holy Spirit" without actually having one.

If this Machiavellian idea were executed as written above, the world would basically be "baptized" by receiving this "Mark of the Beast" as if it were...a substitution of...receiving the real Holy Spirit of God.

Perhaps the "Mark of the Beast" is Satans (The Dragon) best *counterfeit substitution* for the real "Holy Spirit".

Fore
08-20-2021, 07:31 AM
Having said all that:

@Everyone

Your chances of getting fooled by what coming in the very near future becomes a greater certainty after the "ET" arrive.

If anything I had said is even remotely accurate, do yourself a favor and buy a Bible of your choice and read through it. God went through great lengths to impart it unto mankind and to help them sort out truth from lies by giving them a lengthy history lesson and....lessons of every kind....in it's pages.

This is your off ramp, take it. Before people "can't believe their eyes" and the general consensus is established. If you wait to make up your mind...after they arrive, your chances of not being fooled greatly approaches zero.

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Their scheme is solid and convincing. If you are still wavering by the time they arrive, they will practically make up your mind for you. You'd have to seemingly defy logic itself to escape it. It may in fact be illegal for you not to believe what everyone else has reached as a consensus.


Your best bet is now, not later. Logic is not likely going to save your skin from their version of a 5D slideshow and show and tell lessons.

God will be painted out to be the bad guy and they will be the good guys. And anyone who says otherwise will be imprisoned or put to death. Thats how palpable and real it'll be to everyone who witnesses it.

When us Christians deny "this world truth" that is self evident to everyone. We'll be doing so knowing that Christs legacy will never be overwritten by any charlatan.

The world will be so convinced of this all as being absolutely 100% real without the slightest doubt. That you'll literally have no choice but to join the majority.

When you see them putting people to death for not taking the mark, it's because dying is a far better option than taking that mark and living. You may not realize it, but God will not accept anyone's soul who takes on this "mark".

For that reason, they'd rather be put to death. Better that, than become like the "ET" or "the fallen" ones behind them...who when they die, are exempt from Heaven and have no future alive or dead (including their hybrids).

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Once you take their "Mark" there is no going back forever.
And yes, I am being 100% serious.

It's uncomfortable to be so blunt about it, but I'd rather not have to give an account to God of my time alive and say, "I took a pass on warning them, I thought it imprudent."

I'd rather say to Him "I did my part, I warned them in good faith, whether they took that opportunity or not, is solely on them. I laid down the concepts as I understood them and gave them a straight talking. I hid nothing from them."

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As for those of you who are atheist, it won't help you one bit. If you've always needed proof, when they arrive, they'll corner you and every demographic and type of mode of thinking. Every kind of false proof and fabrication that is seemingly airtight and solid and "real" will be provided.

You won't have a choice in whether you want to believe or not. Skepticism is not even on the table. "They" won't have the luxury of time. For that reason, there will be persecution and prosecution of anyone who will not believe what the world sees, hears and witnesses.

If you find others who resist and refuse in going with the worldwide consensus. Remember what I have said and keep it in mind.

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Your off-ramp to the rampant madness of the "Last Days":

https://www.biblegateway.com/

Keep a physical copy somewhere in your home because you "might not" always have the Internet or easy access to electrical power after "they" arrive.

Good luck and I hope God blesses your choices.

ScaRZ
08-20-2021, 12:10 PM
Fore........I have missed you also and I think back to some of the topics we would talk about at OM. I sometimes wish God would reveal to me all the answers that I seek, but then again could I handle the full portion? It's no different than how the small steps of a child become bigger steps and much larger steps as life moves forward.

Remember there are two spirits at war......"The Spirit of God (The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Christ, The Spirit of Truth) and The Spirit of Antichrist (An Instead Of, A Counterfeit)"

I believe that in every lie, there must be a small element of truth to make the lie believable.


You mentioned several times in your post about The Mark of The Beast....."This mark is a counterfeit of Gods mark (The Seal of God).

Remember the words of Henry Ford, “You can have any color (of car) you want, as long as it is black.” The Adversary has a similar sense of humor doesn't he?........ "Everybody can have any (religion, belief system) they want as long as it is black (devoted to following The Adversary).

ScaRZ
08-20-2021, 12:42 PM
I believe that people will allow their Temples (Bodies) which are The Temple of God to become corrupt by believing in their hearts and minds The Lie.

The Antichrist will in fact sit in their Temples which in my opinion is no different than The Seal of God placed on the hearts and minds of true believers. The Seal of Antichrist, The Seal of The Adversary is The Mark of The Beast.

In my opinion the temple we need to be most worried about, is our house (temple, tent). Our bodies are the Temple of God and who or what sits in our temples that can, do, and will corrupt.

Who do, or who will we image?.......Who do, or who will we be imagers of?........"It all comes down to who or what sits in our temples."

Fore
08-20-2021, 11:22 PM
I just got one heck of a staredown by the "ET" with the strong sense that they want me....kaput. They are reeeeaaaalllly pissed off. I get the foreboding feeling they are about to bring the hammer down on me.

@ Pontif, keep the original writings of OpenMindsForum stored somewhere secure and reliable. I dunno what they are up to...

I dunno which of the (many) things I've done lately has brought on the intense hatred (like they want me dead) from above, but I sense danger on my end. Hopefully, God will be my shield. Pray for me.

pontificator
08-21-2021, 06:04 AM
@Fore, I have multiple types of those posts from OMF. Be assured, should they cause you harm, I have several ideas to implement. I also like wasting the time of those who do not have much time left, and they are prime candidates.
I can assure you my prayers are the stuff of nightmares for the adversaries' agents. And I am certainly praying you will not be harmed; I have prayed for the oppositional counter, in that their acts against you or I will instead empower us against them.
If anything, I suspect the "ET" will want to keep as far away from me as possible, if they are able to that is.

Hmmm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bp8fk5rosI&ab_channel=BloombergQuicktake

Sansanoy
08-21-2021, 12:25 PM
I just got one heck of a staredown by the "ET" with the strong sense that they want me....kaput. They are reeeeaaaalllly pissed off. I get the foreboding feeling they are about to bring the hammer down on me.


Fore, were you ever baptized after accepting Jesus? I wasn't till many decades later, thinking it purely ceremonial. But I discovered that there are real spiritual changes with it. I think that what we see in Zechariah 3: 1-2, is what is always taking place in a Job like sense where the host of heaven meet, and challenges are made against a person. I think baptism eliminates a lot of the claims the enemy can make on someone, or at least it seems that way to me. I think it would be like one who lives in America but their citizenship is still in Russia, they are subject to two authorities rather than one. (Zechariah 3:2 is also a an explicit example of Jesus in the OT, it's pretty cool when He shows up so clearly, and yet so easy to miss)

ScaRZ
08-21-2021, 02:23 PM
I dunno which of the (many) things I've done lately has brought on the intense hatred (like they want me dead) from above, but I sense danger on my end. Hopefully, God will be my shield. Pray for me.

Fore.....I certainly hope it wasn't anything I've written that got their hatred up. It is strange as soon as I began communicating with you after a very long time this happened.

I pray The Father will deliver a shield of resistance to push them away.

As is written in scripture.......James 4:7........"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Fore
08-21-2021, 09:51 PM
Fore, were you ever baptized after accepting Jesus? I am unsure. I was baptized by another Christian.

I can call on the Holy Spirit when I pray and it shows up. I suppose that I am. (?)


is what is always taking place in a Job like sense where the host of heaven meet, and challenges are made against a person.

I think that's something like what is happening now. I'm being told by an Angel that they are demanding access to me. (in a sense of an "ET" fist pounding table as a demand)

Someone blocking them and keeping them at bay. That's not usually how it goes.
I've always skirted the rules and the edge in writing out my accounts. Something has always kept me safe from them. I don't know what. But you'd be amazed at the hell you can live through.

You guys/gals really don't know what it cost me to talk about my experiences. I did it for my own reasons. But at the end of the day I always paid the consequences of it alone.

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Never had someone actually defend me. But at the same time, I've been told lately by an Angel to lead people away from the ET, not towards them. Don't do the same things I've always done which is just to hand people information about them (that belongs to them).

Don't fascinate people or bring them towards/into the phenomena. Simply state what I know about them, clarify the situation, and tell them to back out of it. Warn them off. Tell them what they really need to know. Not all the rest.

In other words, give my personal testimony as I understand it. Warn anyone who will listen.

That's it.

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When I start going down the old path about going into too much excessive detail, I get told to stay on the path. People don't need nuanced specifics. Keep unnecessary things out of the picture.

Bring their understandings up to a basic level, let them assess things on their own. Point them to God and explain their misunderstandings of the situation where I am able. (more or less)

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After the "ET" staredown, I was afraid for about an hour because I got that intimidation and fear feeling I've always gotten. This time though it felt certain. Like they actually want me dead.

Right now though, I feel fine. I am worried, but not like that pervasive fear that I always felt when coming back to the forum(s).

I was asked by an Angel to pull back and take time off, that I've been too aggressive and loose lipped with details. I was asked to stop provoking the "ET" as the "ET" demanded to have access to me. They advised me to stop for now and take a break.

The thing is though, it's nice to be able to talk without having someone (The "ET") looking over your proverbial shoulder and weighing everything you say and do. You can literally say what you want without restraint. I only stop when I think some piece of info could be used for nefarious reasons. (my ears are ringing)


It feels like there is an invisible wall or buffer zone between the "ET" and I.

Fore
08-21-2021, 10:43 PM
Fore.....I certainly hope it wasn't anything I've written that got their hatred up. It is strange as soon as I began communicating with you after a very long time this happened.

I pray The Father will deliver a shield of resistance to push them away.

As is written in scripture.......James 4:7........"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."I don't think it's you. But honestly, I don't know.

I've done so many things in the last 60 days that...who knows what's triggered them.

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So far, much to my dismay, it looks like Tom Delonge and his TTSA used my material (years ago) from OMF. It looks like he used it in his "pitch" meeting with increasingly higher authorities in the USA.

Apparently, the advisor was correct in her account about how things went behind the scenes. It appears his "pitch" was well received. (to my dismay...)

I didn't actually expect those accounts to be be anything more than venting on my part. I was investigating Delonge to figure out where he got the term "The Others" from. He claims that's what High Level Officials call them. (???)

I've only ever called them "The Others" because thats what the advisor called them.

Then I looked at some slides from a DOD program, and noticed they had one uncanny....deep resemblence....to what has been talked about on OMF. I was taken aback that they actually looked at forums for anything useful. (can't they abduct ET's and interrogate them instead?)

Or was it just a convergence of details that seemingly lines up? I dunno.

Only thing crossing my mind, was "Oh Sh*t, what did I do? This can't be real."
I thought the "ET" were being exaggerated in their claims of not saying this or that. That their warnings were just "them being them".

Or when Human-based "ET" visited me with their creepy persona saying that I was an "infamous leaker". I was...skeptical and rolled my eyes internally. Just gibberish that ET say but makes you take a double take and wonder...why say that to me?

(I thought it was a joke on their part. Though, they seemed serious like I was in some magazine or book somewhere or was thee gossip.)

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I've never taken it seriously. I know certain things shouldn't ever be said, and I don't need an "ET" breathing down my neck to know not to say certain things. I can grok that.

What I don't take seriously, is this idea that I am the only one saying that. (OMF flashback about people telling me something like that...yikes)

To me this all should be super obvious and completely well known for UFOlogy. I've never bought into that idea that something new is coming out of my mouth. Though, I've never also understood why I rarely see anything else saying it...

I guess this is what cognitive dissonance feels like?

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As a sense of mental self-protection I say to myself that nothing I've said isn't already well known. (probably)

The only thing I worry about is taking responsibility as a part of disclosure. I am crossing my fingers and hoping I sure as heck didn't have any input into any of it. I am hoping there is a misunderstanding somewhere.

Technically, it's the advisors fault for being too open about things and telling me too much and me parroting things I've heard, seen or done directly. What a cluster <bleep> all around.

(I am not gonna bother editing this vomit of ideas and mixed sentiments...)

pontificator
08-22-2021, 03:03 AM
I got this hard-activation suddenly, and thought to myself, ah yes, Fore's posted something. It only happens in that fashion when I'm going to read the material in the short-term future [about 10 minutes] and it's new.
The real question, however, is do I read the material in the future with certainty, and an ET observes, or do I read the material because I detect the ET observing? In terms of the uncertainty principle, does either matter when the outcome is the same?
If I chose not to read upon detecting this effect, would the effect never happen because I had chosen not to read? (and therefore the effect would never happen in of itself.)

So, all those years back when I started reading the original OMF thread, I noted the standard effect of "this is truthful" when going through the text. In that it was sincere, and not embellished.
It's quite similar to how I can read a religious text, and instantly recognise when God himself is actually being quoted; I also note there is never ambiguity in terms of the translation of his words.
Keep that in mind, there is no ambiguity; if a word is used, all of its meanings apply.

With the OMF text, the effect of the field growing was very subtle, and gradually grew stronger and stronger. Here's the thing, for an entity to be aware the text is being read by an individual of interest, that individual must already have some ability to perform a lookup of sorts; indicating I already had some form of natural query and natural lines of association set up. Alternatively, were those put in place at a very young age, to ensure that a certain set of events would occur; the real question there is, who did that?

So, considering that bit of info, could it be that Fore was positioned as a poisoned chalice for the "ET" to consume, and which would result in the "behind the scenes" groups armouring themselves up vs the "ET". I am beginning to lean in that direction, as the players are well beyond the 4D chess level.

So, I am thinking of conducting a poll, to see how many of you would be interested in what I hit the "ET" with that caused them to show up, physically, and rather angry... I assure you, it was not PC...

pontificator
08-22-2021, 06:32 AM
That the "ET" are able to make demands of the Angelic higher-ups indicates a few possible points:
There is a channel of communication between them; well, there has to be.
There is a place which is neutral ground for communications; they are hardly going to be knocking on the door of God's crystal palace.
There may be the equivalent of a round-table, where meetings are held to go over things.
The third-party which was mentioned, as a physical party by the Advisor, that kept both parties (The others, advisors group) at bay could be another creation/s which act/s as the intermediary party/ies. However, that's probably a grand deception issue, but revelation does describe physical entities being sent to earth to persecute mankind/the adversaries minions (by that point); worth checking on.
With the ETs banging on the door, this means they would be acting independently of the Adversary, which is rather interesting, or the Adversary has a wider remit than total control of the actions of Demons. Again, worth investigating.


I have to ask the question, are the "ET" (considering multiple camps there) a force which moves independently of the Adversary, because some of them have broken away from the adversary? At what point does the product of the grand deception delude itself, so even it does not know what the truth is?


Note: Had the hard influence effect again, so I deliberately did not go the forum to check, as a simple test.
So, I set the visit for 4:17pm, as that would be an hour afterwards; actually 4:30pm now. I noticed a slight increasing level of compulsion to check, which is interesting. When I chose not to check, the field intensity moved to the rear of the skull, right (I went and made a cup of Milo, you know, to be chill and sedate.) It then moved to the top sides of the skull when I sat at my PC to think, and now to areas slightly above and forward of the ears (to be more exact) as I'm typing.


So, as you can see, I'm on a thought ramble. However, I find this useful as it gives more areas to consider, and other ideas to investigate that people may not have considered.


@Fore, have you considered you are giving a witness to the actions of the "ET" on earth, as you perceived them? There's a lot more going on here than a simple stoush between powers, and at some point humanity does have to go to war against the dragon.

Fore
08-22-2021, 07:36 AM
So, all those years back when I started reading the original OMF thread, I noted the standard effect of "this is truthful" when going through the text. In that it was sincere, and not embellished.
It's quite similar to how I can read a religious text, and instantly recognise when God himself is actually being quoted; I also note there is never ambiguity in terms of the translation of his words.
Keep that in mind, there is no ambiguity; if a word is used, all of its meanings apply.

With the OMF text, the effect of the field growing was very subtle, and gradually grew stronger and stronger. Here's the thing, for an entity to be aware the text is being read by an individual of interest, that individual must already have some ability to perform a lookup of sorts; indicating I already had some form of natural query and natural lines of association set up. Alternatively, were those put in place at a very young age, to ensure that a certain set of events would occur; the real question there is, who did that?

So, considering that bit of info, could it be that Fore was positioned as a poisoned chalice for the "ET" to consume, and which would result in the "behind the scenes" groups armouring themselves up vs the "ET". I am beginning to lean in that direction, as the players are well beyond the 4D chess level.

So, I am thinking of conducting a poll, to see how many of you would be interested in what I hit the "ET" with that caused them to show up, physically, and rather angry... I assure you, it was not PC...

The 4D chess stuff is well beyond me.

Better yet, remember in the old days when the ET tried to force me with threats to coerce me to try to discredit myself?

I wonder if I can even pull that off. I wonder if anyone would even believe me if I tried to lie about my experiences.

My estimation is I would just flat out look stupid in doing so. I doubt it would even matter at this point. I doubt there has ever been a single UFOlogy experiencer who has actively tried to discredit their own accounts on purpose. I am guessing that would be unique.

What bothers me is the fact that the "ET" haven't even remotely influenced or sent anyone to do the standard discrediting. It's like there is no resistance. Whats keeping them from moving their own chess pieces and creating whole cloth narratives to fool people??

These people can never be depended on to do the things they are best at.
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I think the ship has already sailed and there little I can do about it. Epo just reminded me I just gave Tom some wind for his sails by incidentally giving him clarifications. (god I am an uncoordinated dope these days)

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I am just going to sit here and see what happens next.

I doubt the ET will keep the Disclosure door open for too long in Human circles. Knowing how they think these things through, the longer they keep the dialog going the greater chances there will be for truth narrative to actually creep in.

I am a bit confused myself that they've haven't gone to the next major step by now.

I am also surprised by how weak the "Pro ET" narratives really are. Greer has the numbers but it's like he's spinning his wheels. I would've thought he'd hold more sway in the hearts and minds of people.

But he's generally seen as a discredited figure from what I can see. I wonder if they will soon discard him and switch out with a better pawn with a more convincing plot line. (IMO)

Or perhaps in this "4D" chess game they will deploy worldwide evidence to bolster their narrative?

<shrug>

I guess I should be glad they aren't trying all that hard from the looks of it. Or that the smarter and clever individuals among the "ET" have yet to be on center stage.

Fore
08-22-2021, 08:10 AM
So, as you can see, I'm on a thought ramble. However, I find this useful as it gives more areas to consider, and other ideas to investigate that people may not have considered. I am doing the same. Just vomiting out raw uncut thought processes.



@Fore, have you considered you are giving a witness to the actions of the "ET" on earth, as you perceived them? There's a lot more going on here than a simple stoush between powers, and at some point humanity does have to go to war against the dragon.Humanity doesn't technically go to war against the Dragon according to prophecy, they go to war against God/Christ and His Army at His arrival; under the banner of the "Beast from the Sea" and "Beast from the Earth" and "the Dragon".

The world according to the Bible gets in line with the enemy to attack God at His arrival.

I still wonder though, what do they frame God as being if "the First Beast" declares itself as god.
What kind of narrative would they use to describe the "First Beast's" enemy? (God/Christ)
I really would love to know.

If it's a flesh and blood enemy, wouldn't humanity look at this fake god a little funny?
If it's a spiritual enemy, why would mankind need to be involved?
What kind of lie would the "First Beast" declare that would propel humanity to send everything that isn't nailed down to go to war?

There is a serious set of mysteries that the Bible doesn't seem to answer.

It reminds me of this fictional scenes question:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9sqkahSziU

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To answer your original question:


@Fore, have you considered you are giving a witness to the actions of the "ET" on earth, as you perceived them? I am just a single person. I'd do my part anyway for good reasons.

Would be nice if I had hard proof and not just knowledge and memories.
The only useful thing the "ET" left behind in my brain (well besides the knowledge) are the strategies they use. It's not very hard to turn it against them even without utilizing psychic abilities.

Active Psychic abilities only really makes it much easier and more effective by a couple of orders of magnitude.

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But I don't want to manipulate anyone. Like Paul in the Bible, I'd rather speak simply and truthfully.
Those who'll listen will, and those who won't, never would have. Just got to give every tree a fair shake and hope things work out in the end.

(That's my current working principle)

The ET propaganda is a like a Jenga puzzle. You have to analyze what's going on and pull on the weakest points and watch it come crashing down. Then try to leave something useful in it's place and hopefully a bit more hardened so when a "4D" ET chess master comes along, he'll find it hard to topple it.

Garuda
08-22-2021, 09:39 AM
Some quick comments

- The term 'Others' for UFO occupants etc. has been in use since the late 40s. It's not that uncommon. And it's frequently used in non-English UFO literature.

- The documents Snowden leaked showed how the US intel community not only monitored discussion forums, but actively took part in them, sometimes with the intention of breaking them up by stoking animosities. Both ATS and Om were heavily monitored and had several members from the intel community. We knew of at least half a dozen of members of OMF at the time who let us know that they were former intelligence operatives. It is safe to assume there were members who were still active in the intel community.

Fore
08-22-2021, 11:52 AM
Oh, that explains some things. Thanks for that Info Garuda.

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Something was interfacing with me but I don't know what it even is but it's answering my own thoughts on what I am doing wrong and says it's been watching since several days. I normally would ignore/block it and throw it out as suspect.

But in this case, it gave some rather useful advice that I'll take to heart and do my best to perhaps modify my behavior.

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Apparently, I am imprudent. I don't have a good idea of what I should and shouldn't do and behave in it's opinion like a child. :p

I don't take warnings seriously when prompted.

I am being asked to learn self-restraint in what topics and people I engage with. That sometimes doing nothing is a better overall outcome than doing something in every outcome all the time. (I've heard that before somewhere?)

It reviewed my memories from yesterday and days before and said I should restrain my impulsive behaviors and not ask imprudent questions to specific figures who might do me harm in asking unnecessary questions.

(It means don't reach out to Kit Green and ask why don't they already know about external Psychic structures. Like I was thinking yesterday.)

(It also points out not to do what's on my mind and go out of my way to pull pages worth of leaked or declassified documents online and start publicly inquiring if someone else can decode what is being researched in cryptically worded programs. Then putting forth my own answers.)

That perhaps it is not the wisest thing to do by instigating/populating ideas in peoples minds or leading them to a probable answer.

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It also said not to post everything on my mind online. That I ought to learn how to conceal thought processes and not commit everything. (Be an open book = Bad)

To learn to keep many thoughts to my self.

To stop posting private/concealed interactions in detail. As it creates (a third party reference?) problems for others that are supposedly very real.

Something about learning that my actions have consequences for others (not defined) even if I don't see it.

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I think that most of it.
Whatever it was, it wasn't talking down at me.
Seems like good advice that I don't see the harm in practicing it.

From today onwards, I'll try to keep things in mind and resist my own impulses. If you catch me doing it, say something (in private). And I'll try to not keep doing it over time...

Edit: Oh, I forgot it said something about some of my impulses could be considered a ?national security? concern if I keep doing what I am doing. (?)

Then it cited specific memories, some stuff that I too thought was a bad idea to type for normal people and totally didn't go forward with it. I don't think I've ever even committed such information to this forum or OMF.

Saying that I haven't considered whether other nations have the same capabilities or not. (free insights?)

It said something briefly that I shouldn't talk about things so openly as I don't know who's watching and from where. (a fair point, I hadn't even considered it from that angle.)

ScaRZ
08-22-2021, 11:59 AM
I don't think it's you. But honestly, I don't know.

I've done so many things in the last 60 days that...who knows what's triggered them.



There is one huge thing that I've learned over the many years that I've been involved in talking about Dark Forces........"They do not take kindly to the subject matter if there is truth within the dialog." They work hard at keeping people steered away from the correct path. There are many thorns on a beautiful rose plant. True believers and followers of Jesus Christ walk among thorns all their lives. Tribulations will come, the storms will blow but a strong foundation will protect when they arrive.

The army of darkness has crept in laying down layer after layer of fools gold.

The darkness didn't move in with a mighty bang. They crept in gently sliding up next to an eager audience producing a very precise but patient whitewashing message.

Sansanoy
08-22-2021, 12:06 PM
I am unsure. I was baptized by another Christian.

I can call on the Holy Spirit when I pray and it shows up. I suppose that I am. (?)


It's something you want to be sure of, because if you aren't sure of it, "they" aren't sure of it. It's supposed to be a public profession that you belong to God's kingdom, rather than their kingdom. So it's meant to be a visible sign to them and people. I would ask when the next baptism is so that you can be sure it happened, or if they don't do it, find a church that will and go that day.

I remember that when you moved, they had to get special permission to operate again since you were in a new area. That matches perfectly with the concept of angels over the nations (Deuteronomy 32.8, Daniel 10:13). That there are these territorial angels who have departed from their roles (Psalm 82). It kind of seems like there is still some of that ownership somehow. That might be why.

pontificator
08-22-2021, 12:35 PM
Hmmm... something new is visiting...

Fore
08-22-2021, 12:45 PM
There is one huge thing that I've learned over the many years that I've been involved in talking about Dark Forces........"They do not take kindly to the subject matter if there is truth within the dialog." They work hard at keeping people steered away from the correct path. There are many thorns on a beautiful rose plant. True believers and followers of Jesus Christ walk among thorns all their lives. Tribulations will come, the storms will blow but a strong foundation will protect when they arrive.

The army of darkness has crept in laying down layer after layer of fools gold.

The darkness didn't move in with a mighty bang. They crept in gently sliding up next to an eager audience producing a very precise but patient whitewashing message.My real concern is that I don't see the human side of this equation actually doing anything about it.

I can't see a single element of anyone addressing the "ET" as a social issue.
I mean yes, they do talk about are they evil or good or are they communist or capitalist. (?)
But there is literally nothing in terms of communicating what are good parameters for contact?

Like what is defined as a good or bad scenario where one can actually be sure that there isn't undue influence from the foreign party. For example, if the people of LA in California suddenly started thinking city wide that the ET's are "love and light" or "space brothers" there is literally no public messaging on what are considered red flag events.

Or what if the "ET" do the proposed plan of turning people against their own government?

Everything is aimed at "Are they here?" and not at hardening the population against certain scenarios.
I mean, technically you could harden people against the phenomena even without disclosing there is a phenomena.

You can educate people quietly and subtly by stories, movies and TV shows on what are the varied forms of manipulation.

You only really need 1 TV show with an extremely accurate portrayal of an ET's day. So that when the population sees it in real life, they'd at least recognize what it might be.

But most stories are made from the perspective of human beings.

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As far as I can tell, I don't see anything to protect people from even the most basic forms of deception.

Alot of people seem to be thinking in very overly positive terms. They are projecting their hopes and seeking solutions from complete strangers they've never met before. People seem to have no real evaluation scheme, simply blind expectations or maybe even low grade faith.

Some few people just opine that they want the "ET" technology, basically not caring for the ET themselves.

Others are looking at the ET with an expectation of almost a religious revelation. Like they are about to start a new faith system or something. (Transcendence etc)

I'd say 90%+ are pinning or banking all their hopes for a better quality of life to result from "the ET experience". I find that really disturbing.

Sansanoy
08-22-2021, 02:51 PM
Hmmm... something new is visiting...

Maybe the internal paradigm of Romans 7:21 is also true externally. I remember when I started apologetics and began talking to atheists I would get attacked with panic attacks between visits, as if this cloud of pressure was choking me. It's not that way now, but it went on for many years. Maybe Baptism is something uniquely important in this case, something they are afraid of happening. If their secrets are revealed online that puts them in a bad position, but it doesn't put Fore in a good position. But with Baptism, who knows what Fore will become when this stronghold is broken, and he begins to trample upon the things that opposed him.

Fore
08-22-2021, 09:15 PM
Maybe the internal paradigm of Romans 7:21 is also true externally. I remember when I started apologetics and began talking to atheists I would get attacked with panic attacks between visits, as if this cloud of pressure was choking me. It's not that way now, but it went on for many years. Maybe Baptism is something uniquely important in this case, something they are afraid of happening. If their secrets are revealed online that puts them in a bad position, but it doesn't put Fore in a good position. But with Baptism, who knows what Fore will become when this stronghold is broken, and he begins to trample upon the things that opposed him.I'm surprised that happens to you too.

In a little bit, I'll contact you privately to help me find someone to officially baptize me. (do they do walk-in baptism? Sort of joking.)

Fore
08-22-2021, 09:24 PM
I remember that when you moved, they had to get special permission to operate again since you were in a new area. That matches perfectly with the concept of angels over the nations (Deuteronomy 32.8, Daniel 10:13). That there are these territorial angels who have departed from their roles (Psalm 82). It kind of seems like there is still some of that ownership somehow. That might be why.Yes, that whole territory thing is apparently true.

The youtube channel "Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure" re-aired something that was apparently filmed back in 2013. There in Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan appear to affirm (albeit, in a very basic sense) that Territories among the ET appear to exist on Earth.

I also noticed they had "Anonymous" at the beginning of the video from years gone by.

I time coded it:


https://youtu.be/U4UjBev0XJw?t=4116

pontificator
08-22-2021, 11:03 PM
Yes, that whole territory thing is apparently true.

The youtube channel "Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure" re-aired something that was apparently filmed back in 2013. There in Linda Moulton Howe and Richard Dolan appear to affirm (albeit, in a very basic sense) that Territories among the ET appear to exist on Earth.

I also noticed they had "Anonymous" at the beginning of the video from years gone by.

I time coded it:


https://youtu.be/U4UjBev0XJw?t=4116

In turn, I suspect that if it were carefully examined, the ET territories will likely overlay the territories assigned to the adversary 1:1 . There is one territory of old, a principality, described around chapter 10 of the book of Daniel https://www.legit.ng/1215095-prince-persia-bible.html . If one were to find the old boundaries, and I suspect they don't move much, you could map it over the places of today.

Fore
08-23-2021, 05:34 AM
Some quick comments

Is there any particular reason why people have a bad opinion of Michael Salla?
I personally found the man to be as close to the ideal as i've ever seen.

It's like someones going around ufology and discrediting the best individuals and promoting the worst types.

Edit: If I'd use an analogy, Michael Salla attitude (the last time I paid attention) is a vegetarian straight shooter. Logical, concise, mostly neutral.

While the people being promoted to the forefront seems to be junk food eaters who ingest just about anything and vomit it back up. With seemingly little objectivity or strategy to their madness.

If they were an antenna to increase a signal-to-noise ratio, I'd tear them off the roof, throw them into the trashcan from high above, spit on it's while uttering "useless". Unfit for any useful purpose.

(Sorry, I just realized that a little over the top)

ScaRZ
08-23-2021, 11:41 AM
In turn, I suspect that if it were carefully examined, the ET territories will likely overlay the territories assigned to the adversary 1:1 . There is one territory of old, a principality, described around chapter 10 of the book of Daniel https://www.legit.ng/1215095-prince-persia-bible.html . If one were to find the old boundaries, and I suspect they don't move much, you could map it over the places of today.

Many people just don't see the spirit world for what it really is. There is a spiritual war going on all the time around us.


Daniel 10:12-14

Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.



Below is some very good comments on this passage from Ron Dart's booklet he wrote called (The Tracks of the Devil). You've got to go all the way back to The Tower of Babel when God separated the 70 nations of the earth and chose 70 Sons of God to rule over the nations. These 70 Sons of God did not and have not ruled the divided territories without corruption entering the picture......"These 70 Sons of God were corrupt of they became corrupt." Later God chose Abraham to begin a new nation....."God's nation" that would be the beginning to bring all nations back to God.


Ron Dart wrote:

Now the vision Daniel received in answer to his prolonged prayer is fascinating enough, but in the process of revealing the vision, the messenger of God dropped a small piece of tantalizing information. Most of us believe that God is all powerful, that all He has to do is say the word and all powers, human and demonic, fall down before Him. Yet here is an emissary of God who is held up for three weeks by someone called the 'Prince of Persia.' Who is this 'Prince of Persia' and how was he able to thwart an angel of the Almighty?

Consider the picture. Daniel fasts and prays to God. God hears him and immediately dispatches an answer. The problem is that Daniel is inside the kingdom of Persia, and God's messenger has to fight his way in! It is no small battle—it takes three weeks to make it. Think what this means. There was a spirit being, called the Prince of Persia, who was strong enough to stand off an angel of God for three weeks. In the end, it takes two to one odds to win, and the battle is still not over. Michael, another Prince of God, keeps the Prince of Persia busy while the angel comes to Daniel to deliver the message.

One would have thought that God could have whispered in Daniel's ear, or that the angel could simply have materialized in Daniel's room....What this story reveals to us, almost as an aside, is that there is a spiritual world alongside our world, invisible to us, but real, vibrant, alive and dangerous. We use the word infrastructure to describe the physical structure underlying our society—water pipes, sewers, utilities—things underground and invisible, but real and necessary, nonetheless. What comes as a shock is the fact that there is also a spiritual infrastructure—unseen, unsensed, invisible, but nonetheless real and powerful. Not only is there a spirit world co-existing with our own, but there are spiritual battles routinely fought around us, and the outcome is by no means automatic (p.3-4).

Garuda
08-23-2021, 03:17 PM
Is there any particular reason why people have a bad opinion of Michael Salla?
I personally found the man to be as close to the ideal as i've ever seen.

It's like someones going around ufology and discrediting the best individuals and promoting the worst types.

Edit: If I'd use an analogy, Michael Salla attitude (the last time I paid attention) is a vegetarian straight shooter. Logical, concise, mostly neutral.

While the people being promoted to the forefront seems to be junk food eaters who ingest just about anything and vomit it back up. With seemingly little objectivity or strategy to their madness.

If they were an antenna to increase a signal-to-noise ratio, I'd tear them off the roof, throw them into the trashcan from high above, spit on it's while uttering "useless". Unfit for any useful purpose.

(Sorry, I just realized that a little over the top)

The main reason people have a problem with him these days is his unwavering support for Corey Goode, whom most researchers consider a fraud.

epo333
08-23-2021, 05:29 PM
Is there any particular reason why people have a bad opinion of Michael Salla?
I personally found the man to be as close to the ideal as i've ever seen.

It's like someones going around ufology and discrediting the best individuals and promoting the worst types.

Edit: If I'd use an analogy, Michael Salla attitude (the last time I paid attention) is a vegetarian straight shooter. Logical, concise, mostly neutral.

While the people being promoted to the forefront seems to be junk food eaters who ingest just about anything and vomit it back up. With seemingly little objectivity or strategy to their madness.

If they were an antenna to increase a signal-to-noise ratio, I'd tear them off the roof, throw them into the trashcan from high above, spit on it's while uttering "useless". Unfit for any useful purpose.

(Sorry, I just realized that a little over the top)

Ha, maybe not that far over!!! (kind of thought thought you would be up on this!)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode

Fore
08-24-2021, 10:05 PM
Ha, maybe not that far over!!! (I kind of thought thought you would be upon this!)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?97313-The-Truth-about-Corey-Goode

You'd think I would be following UFOlogy and its many stories. The reality though, is that I am an outsider looking in. I don't bother following much if it's not directly in front of me or someone brings it up.

So I may know of the names, but know little about what they believe.

For example, I know who Wilcox is (forgot his first name, sorry). What he looks like. But I have no real clue as to what he's into.

I knew of Puthoff and knew he was a physicist/scientist but didn't know until the last month that he was into physic stuff (stargate?). I thought he was only into nuts and bolts stuff.

I thought Kit Green was just a research psychic. I had no clue he was a project manager at the CIA.

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I don't own any UFO material except one plastic figurine that the Advisor gave me of herself when I was much younger. I think there is a Stephen Speilberg ET doll I saw somewhere. Not mine and I don't know where it is at the moment.

I have one PDF file for the Montalk Project (which I never finished).

Just yesterday I purchased the first book UFO book I'll ever own ("fiction") for Tom Delong's releases.
I am curious as to what he's up to and what stories they are using. For that reason I bought it.

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I don't keep any diaries of my former contact experience. ("ET" rules)
The only records are stored online.
I don't have any recordings of any kind.
I rarely take any photos of myself.

So once I die (hopefully not soon) it'll all disappear with me.

It's not paranoia on my part, it's just paranoia on the ET's part and how they made this box of confinement, and I've had always been forced to live in the confines of that box. (parameters)

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It's very hard for me to read ET/contactee and UFOlogical books. I just feel a repulsion as if someone has given me strong hypnotic programming to keep me from it.

I've found ways around it if I try hard enough. Speed reading seems to reduce the effect. I am using speed reading through a PDF version of the book I bought to read through the material.

As I know I'll never be able to read the physical book itself.

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Even if it looks like I don't have the mental/emotional scars/trauma of dealing with the ET, it's just because I hide it well. I wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self what I've been through because of them. I am sure the younger me would decide not to have anything to do with them.

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One of the biggest things I most want to resolve is the ability to see things the way a normal person does.

To relate to people perfectly without imitation.

God once gave me a brief gift, an insight, that incidentally accentuated just how damaged I am because of my experiences.
For about a minute He allowed me to feel like I belonged and was like everyone else. I felt something I never felt before which is to feel like I am a part of Humanity. After that minute was over it went back to how it's always been.

That's when I realized that I didn't notice that I don't feel like I am a part of the group. That I am a "neither here nor there" person. I've noticed while reading the old text of mine that I sometimes write like I am not a human being myself. Or like an outsider looking in.

I remember when I used to sit down and do "people watching" and read their minds silently and picked up on all those crazy thoughts and intense emotions and reactions that people had internally that these people thought no one could perceive on their insides. Wondering what was broken inside of me that I couldn't "do that" naturally.

It's seriously demoralizing when you have to imitate something that doesn't come out naturally.
I didn't even fully understand how people even see the world until I started suppressing my PSI abilities.

Only then did I realize that normal people are the way they are because they can't see anything beyond their eyes and ears and some inference. You can't change any aspect of what it is to be normal and still remain normal.

Ugh, I am typing what on my mind again....

epo333
08-25-2021, 02:07 AM
Fore,

Sometimes letting out how your feelings, releases and eases the turmoil we struggle with within ourselves.

Reading your writings over the years has made me realize and thankful that I didn't travel down many of the roads offered to me at the times I were seeking and researching the many paranormal "widgets" contained in our universe.

I think each person (soul?) has their unique "normalcy" as they exist through the Alpha and Omega.

There is no way we can know the plan of our Creator, (if you will) we are his tools sometimes. Perhaps he has created you to be the "static" against these forces that surround us daily.

Speaking of static, my brain isn't developing what I feel I need to say!

. . .

Later maybe:

Fore
08-25-2021, 04:22 AM
A pretty detailed encounter I came across just now about a UFO filling up with water.

https://i.imgur.com/1MqqduH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8mWr3dR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/j2QX0Bi.jpg

You can see the basic elements.
Projected phasing light (the pale blue light)...not sure why it is on in this case?

The Orbs (drones/cameras/exterior sensors) detaching from the main body. Then reattaching before the main body leaves the area.

The main phasing field around the main craft causing disturbances in electrical devices.

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I wonder whats the purpose of the pulsating lights around the rim? I somehow doubt they are anti-collision lights...?

ScaRZ
08-25-2021, 01:24 PM
@Fore

I was wondering if you have any contact from the one I remember years ago that you called "The Guardian". You wrote more about "The Advisor" but did mention The Guardian some. If I remember correctly The Advisor was ET, while The Guardian was Angelic.

Fore
08-25-2021, 06:17 PM
@Fore

I was wondering if you have any contact from the one I remember years ago that you called "The Guardian". You wrote more about "The Advisor" but did mention The Guardian some. If I remember correctly The Advisor was ET, while The Guardian was Angelic.I haven't heard from them in several years, at some point they seemed to have dropped out. They did claim to be Angelic but I had my doubts.

Fore
08-25-2021, 08:56 PM
I have a question, how much do I sound like your average contactee/experiencer?

What makes me sound believable vs not. I noticed Pontif said he sensed there was "truthfulness" from my accounts. Is that subjective or do I do something I am not noticing in how I write or express things?

What's the difference (if any) between myself and your regular contactee/experiencer?

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Next,
If I wanted to throw people off, (if things get hairy for me), what can I do to make it suddenly sound more...like everyone else. What changes would I have to make to pass myself off as just another person? (Or am I already doing a good enough job?)

I've never figured out (nor thought of) a way to "walk back" certain topics. If an agency knocks on my door, what's the best way to throw them off? How does one play it down? Should I buy a lot of (used? worn down) books so I can point to them and say "I got it from that!"?

I was just meandering over an exit strategy in case things go south.
I am noticing from my previous posts that I don't really have an exit strategy or a way to downplay things.

I don't have enough info on members of UFOlogy to make it sound convincing. I'm thinking I need a plausible-sounding thing to point to.

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Do you guys have like stacks of UFO books in the background?

ScaRZ
08-25-2021, 10:46 PM
@Fore........

To be honest, at OMF I wasn't sure what to think of you for awhile. But as time past and we began communicating more I could see you were a good person. Over the years as I've read your material I tried hard to view things from a different angle than I ever thought I would. You have been an experiencer and to this very day I have to my knowledge never seen or been in contact with UFO'S, ET or UT.

Some of the things you have shared over the years seem to connect in my studies within the pages of scripture and ancient text. This is where as you know my main interest is.

Just because I'm not an experiencer and you are does not mean we both can't learn from each other. It's all like a giant jigsaw puzzle dumped out on a very huge table. Everyone of us can help each other snap the correct pieces together. There are times no matter how hard I try the piece I think needs to fit right there......"IT JUST WILL NEVER FIT." You on the other hand could reach down pick up a piece and snap it right in.

You have never come across to me as a fake.

This is where I believe you come into the picture. Fore....you have an up close and personal history that can be a light if used to share information that has value for a desired objective. The dark forces, the foul spirits, the unclean entities will toss grenades your direction, it's part of the journey when that path is taken.

I don't care if it's you, me or the greatest man/woman who ever lived. Most people will reject the light and remain in darkness. But and that's a big but, there will be those that can and will be reached. I believe you are a key that can unlock a wealth of knowledge to feed a famine sick world.

pontificator
08-26-2021, 01:18 AM
Meanwhile Bloomfield revealed work was under way to look at what an internal boundary between Auckland and the rest of the country would look like, what travel would be permitted across the boundary and how it would be enforced.
Hendy agreed a north-south divide would make sense.
"I think at this stage, a North Island and South Island split is probably what we'd be looking at."

Usually NZ is a test-bed for things, looks like the preliminary framework for city isolation is being put in place. This framework can be used later for other purposes.

@Fore, sometimes the best way to throw people off is to "be abnormal", but in an understandable way. I know this is about to sound terrible, but the layout someone should confront when they "break in" is the following (I apologise in advance to everyone for what you definitely should not read below):
1) You need to purchase a sex doll and make it look like the advisor as much as possible, including what it is wearing. Put it in a prominent place, and make it look as though it is idolised.
2) You need to ensure you have posters of greys all over the place. The more shocking, the better. If you have UFO's where all the prominent bits are replaced by breasts, all the better.
3) "Toys" of an Alien look should be present...
4) You need notebooks of "notes", drawings, scribblings and ramblings, including an extensive diary of your "exploits" with the "advisor" from 1.
5) Throwing in a few physics books, and books detailing UFO operation would be good.
6) An extensive collection of Blink182 material, including all the UFO fiction and other books; they would contain your material.
7) A collection of metal bits, magnets and wires, made up according to a diagram for a free-energy device. Needless to say, it should not be a working one.

So, if you've not passed out, I assure you that anyone confronting that "horror" would certainly not think you were the real deal. In fact, they'd think you were a raving, deluded idiot, and give up. Hopefully you would survive the embarrassment and questioning/interview. Again, apologies...
Now back to our regular viewing...

Sansanoy
08-26-2021, 01:31 AM
I have a question, how much do I sound like your average contactee/experiencer?

What makes me sound believable vs not. I noticed Pontif said he sensed there was "truthfulness" from my accounts. Is that subjective or do I do something I am not noticing in how I write or express things?

What's the difference (if any) between myself and your regular contactee/experiencer?

I first heard about you from an article from, iirc, Garuda, and I was floored by the things I saw there. So I read most of your story on the archive of minds. It wasn't that I recognized your truthfulness instinctively, it was that I recognized the ones mentioned and the religious structures surrounding it. It was like someone who read the entire bible 100 times and then slept and had a dream. The part that comes to mind the most is the cube with 12 gates. I thought, how can this guy literally describe the descending temple of heaven and say nothing about Christianity at all, or act as some unique prophet. As more and more things of similar nature were mentioned I saw that you had no idea the theological significance of what was being talking about and shown. It was like seeing a thread where someone who never heard about Jesus was wondering about a dream of this guy called Jesus, who had all these friends, and one betrayed him and he died, but came back. When one sees something like that one knows they encountered something real. (I just use this as an example, I'm not saying what happened or what was seen was anything good, in fact my first impression was that it was from the angels over the nations because everything seemed a shade off from the bible. )

I recognized your truthfulness after that through the way you behaved. You never opportunized it, self promoted, or wanted to be the center of attention. You were always genuine, and humble despite the experiences. I think a good way to throw people off would be to do the opposite of that.

Fore
08-26-2021, 02:05 AM
Usually NZ is a test-bed for things, looks like the preliminary framework for city isolation is being put in place. This framework can be used later for other purposes. I've been thinking the same.

I wonder if COVID is the springboard for setting up city-level isolation. You have to admit, it's pretty convenient as a situation.


@Fore, sometimes the best way to throw people off is to "be abnormal", but in an understandable way. I know this is about to sound terrible, but the layout someone should confront when they "break in" is the following (I apologise in advance to everyone for what you definitely should not read below):
1) You need to purchase a sex doll and make it look like the advisor as much as possible, including what it is wearing. Put it in a prominent place, and make it look as though it is idolised. You made me almost spit out my actual tea as I read that. Hilariously funny. :rolleyes:

Think I'd be put in an asylum for a good reason. Still hilarious.


2) You need to ensure you have posters of greys all over the place. The more shocking, the better. If you have UFO's where all the prominent bits are replaced by breasts, all the better. I think your post is enough to discredit me and this thread. (LMAO)

I think maybe this prop is good enough that poster in the background:
https://i.imgur.com/fNbtfQL.png


3) "Toys" of an Alien look should be present...
4) You need notebooks of "notes", drawings, scribblings and ramblings, including an extensive diary of your "exploits" with the "advisor" from 1. I don't think I can pull that off even if I tried.

The toys though would love to own a model of those UFO Triangles. I wonder if they make them?


5) Throwing in a few physics books, and books detailing UFO operation would be good. Got any recommendations?


6) An extensive collection of Blink182 material, including all the UFO fiction and other books; they would contain your material. I think that will be incidental but if the fiction and non-fiction is worth it, I'll collect it.


7) A collection of metal bits, magnets and wires, made up according to a diagram for a free-energy device. Needless to say, it should not be a working one. Ugh, wouldn't be caught dead with that.


So, if you've not passed out, I assure you that anyone confronting that "horror" would certainly not think you were the real deal. In fact, they'd think you were a raving, deluded idiot, and give up. Hopefully you would survive the embarrassment and questioning/interview. Again, apologies...
Now back to our regular viewing...The bad thing about having UFOlogical props is I'd have no actual clue what's inside its pages. It would work for online skeptics to say that's where the info came from. If put under scrutiny I doubt I'd sound convincing as if I knew what someone like Hynek did for a living or what was his role. (Scientist/Researcher, ?Blue Book...maybe?)

Fore
08-26-2021, 02:35 AM
https://i.imgur.com/OIW9IaU.jpg

By the way, got any idea what the words "Instantaneous Sensor Disassembly" might refer to?

I can identify all of them except that one.

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I learned in the last 60 days that they are calling these metamaterials.
An interesting paper. Looks like they are still taking baby steps.

https://i.imgur.com/pbBhPW8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ix9tTxD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JrX6LqJ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/qHAXHMt.jpg

pontificator
08-26-2021, 02:45 AM
Got any recommendations?

https://www.amazon.com/League-UFO-Lou-Baldin/dp/0578013304
https://www.amazon.com/Physics-Essentials-Dummies-Steven-Holzner/dp/1119590280
https://www.amazon.com/Alien-Worlds-Extraterrestrial-National-Geographic/dp/1426311109/
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Holes-Universes-Other-Essays/dp/0553374117
https://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Special-General-Theory-Physics/dp/048641714X/

You have to "make it look good"... I do recommend that first book.

If you can get this, I highly recommend having it on your shelf [it is quite good, somewhat brutal]:
https://www.amazon.com/UFO-The-Complete-Series-Blu-ray/dp/B074R1NQS2
There are a lot of silver-suited women, with interesting haircuts, in it... just make sure you have a blueray player from the UK to play it.
It's also available on archive.org: https://archive.org/details/UFO.complete

That should get you started.

pontificator
08-26-2021, 06:29 AM
In most military jargon "Instantaneous Sensor Disassembly" would be a gentle way of describing the following:
1) Something fell off.
2) It exploded.
3) It turned into its component parts and formed a pile.
4) Bits melted and it fell apart.
5) It stopped working (physical component failure: various.)

It's in the same realm as "The device ceased to be a working scientific instrument" when a probe is crushed after falling into a high-pressure atmosphere; where hydrogen becomes metal.

More slides: https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/ozvouk/missing_aatip_slides_leaked_by_christopher_mellon/
A bit of discussion on slide 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPLJJRxdq98&ab_channel=ProjectUnity
Full-length interview of prior link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpi0YXboDQM&t=0s&ab_channel=ProjectUnity
Original posting: https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/01/advanced-aerospace-threat-and.html

ScaRZ
08-26-2021, 12:02 PM
@Fore......

Be true to yourself or you will never feel any peace. Do the will of God that has been placed in your heart and stop worrying about what might be.

Sansanoy
08-26-2021, 12:05 PM
8) Grab a giant cork board and mount it on the wall. Get some red yarn and some pins. Cover the cork board in UFO pics, news articles and pictures of people. Then put pins in each one and use the red yarn to interconnect the pictures. Now print out a picture of a McDonalds milk shake and put it up with a pin on it. Now make all the yarn coalesce to the picture of the milk shake.

9) Wear a bathrobe all the time like Murray from stranger things.

I would have way too much fun doing something like this.

pontificator
08-26-2021, 11:23 PM
Had been thinking to myself about the nature of the artificial singularity, and other applications. With the effect of the field making energy accumulate within itself, this offers a much more efficient energy collection device.
So, as energy is accumulated, it eventually becomes possible to run fusion with various materials gathered from a body of water... in turn, discharging that energy by opening the field also offers the opportunity to drive various devices for power generation (imagine the cool steam turbines you could run with that.)

So... lets say we have many of these in the equivalent of a dam, the dam is continuously generating power because it is a dam, and the artificial singularities are gathering power as well, and you also have a ready source of water for material. The field can discharge accumulated energy every so often to power a steam turbine array, and as there are many of these units, you can stagger them between accumulation and generation mode. A more sophisticated system would use a surface made of carbon nanotubes, containing gold particles, as those translate radiation (such as gamma) directly into electricity; surrounding a system in a spherical cover of that would be quite efficient.

Given we see UFOs gathering water, and processing it, I suspect they are using some form of fusion internally, as they can accumulate enough heat to drive such a device. I also suspect the by-products of this fusion are chucked away in the form of light metals, like magnesium; you don't have to produce just Helium, you can keep going until some specific inflection point is reached. Oh, and back to the washing machine sound, from that we can tell that the water is sloshing around, so there is some form of moving mechanism inside (as to shape, and whether it is spinning or moving side-to-side is unknown from just the description.) We also must not discount a more mundane explanation, and that is the UFO from earlier is literally going to a body of water to wash everyone's clothes, and return them regularly.

@Fore, were you ever told anything about cleaning habits in general? I doubt they lounge around in 20+ day unwashed uniforms while picking dirt from beneath their fingernails.

Fore
08-27-2021, 01:09 AM
@Fore......

Be true to yourself or you will never feel any peace. Do the will of God that has been placed in your heart and stop worrying about what might be.Yes, sir!

I was scrolling through the books, man, I'd be embarrassed to own these.

@Sansanoy
I am surprised to hear your perspective of me from the outside. I wasn't aware.

Fore
08-27-2021, 01:34 AM
8) Grab a giant cork board and mount it on the wall. Get some red yarn and some pins. Cover the cork board in UFO pics, news articles and pictures of people. Then put pins in each one and use the red yarn to interconnect the pictures. Now print out a picture of a McDonalds milk shake and put it up with a pin on it. Now make all the yarn coalesce to the picture of the milk shake.

Now I just need more pins to establish a link between Pontif, Sansanoy, Montalk, and the Illuminati. (Yes, I am joking!)

I still do actually wonder where Open Minds Productions came from. I remember them from years ago but I thought they were someone just playing off the name of OMF forums.

I wonder what the DOD DNI and all the other alphabet agencies thought of us through the years.


9) Wear a bathrobe all the time like Murray from stranger things.

I would have way too much fun doing something like this. Bill Murray by any chance?

Is that show any good?

Sansanoy
08-27-2021, 01:44 AM
Is that show any good?
Stranger things is amazing. Especially if you grew up in the 80's, which was the best decade ever to be a kid. It's absolutely fantastic, tons of nostalgia, tons of scifi, fear and comedy mixed in good proportion. And there is a whole lot of synthwave (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcPZdihrp4) too.

The overall plot is that there is this a world under our own world that is a mirror image of ours, so it has our houses and building but there is nothing living in it but one type of life form. A hole gets opened up between the two through some MK ultra like experiments.

Fore
08-27-2021, 07:10 AM
https://i.imgur.com/R96OgMm.jpg

So, phasing technology is definitely real.

And

"Influence Space", "Influence Structures" and its associated features are also real....and not surprisingly also linked to the "ET" Phenomena like a tight glove to a hand.


https://i.imgur.com/OIW9IaU.jpg

Probability Space (or the abstract concept of it at least) is hinted at in many places but no outright admission. I wonder if it's still classified?

And

Do they realize yet, the "ET" aren't genuine aliens?
(at least for the straightforward "ET" Hypothesis)

It's unclear. It's like different "White" sectors of intelligence circles and government are running with different assumptions. Seems like they don't know for sure yet. "Black" though, they must have figured that out a long time ago...right? <shrugs>

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The more things they confirm, the stranger it is that I still have a heartbeat. I can only assume that surely God has a heavy hand in that situation. Or at least I hope so for my sake.

Fore
08-27-2021, 08:01 AM
Seems like the stories the Advisor said almost 25 years ago were true. About there being surveillance satellites that can look for these slight signatures.

These are called "DSP" satellites. I don't have links off the top of my head, but apparently, Elizondo has confirmed that in secret they have been able to find "signatures" (the word the Advisor used) to detect even cloaked UFOs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Support_Program

They are programmable to detect a range of types of signatures according to Elizondo. Looks like Wikipedia says they were launched sometime in the early 90s.

I see now, why they had to keep avoiding detection every time I'd "out them" that they were there next to me.

Signature Management - The Key Term Everyone Overlooked in The UAPTF Report
https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/signature-management-the-key-term-everyone-overlooked-in-the-uaptf-report

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A former airforce pilot confirmed that some "low noise" sensors use something called a "cryo-pod" to keep the sensor at a very low temperature so it increases its sensitivity and reduces ambient noise in front of the sensor.

I wonder if the human groups did send someone with a millimeter-wave camera in the late '90s like the advisor claimed to see if she was there or not.

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There is also this:
https://breakingdefense.com/2021/08/pentagon-posed-to-unveil-classified-space-weapon/

Exclusive: Pentagon Poised To Unveil, Demonstrate Classified Space Weapon
The push to declassify an existing space weapon is being spearheaded by Gen. John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

I recall those space weapon platforms used to make them rant a bit. Perhaps they've turned them on after all these years?

pontificator
08-27-2021, 11:06 AM
@Fore, here's an interesting one to consider, why is it that people like you and I can encounter the entities, but we do not encounter the craft which conveyed them? [I note this seems to be a thing for more long-term projects.]

Sansanoy
08-27-2021, 05:12 PM
I wonder if "Instantaneous Sensor Disassembly" isn't a full disassembly, but rather the separation of a connection to a higher system. For example, I wouldn't call a camera a sensor, but I would call motion detection, or a day/night detector for flood lights a sensor because it acts as a trigger. Sensors are used to trigger the operation of more complex systems such as cameras or alarms, and conserve those higher systems for non events. They are basically transistors, you have a trigger voltage coming from the sensor going to a upper device that is being interrupted by the transistor. The base of the transistor is connected to something that can yield a slight voltage based on external events, when that occurs the collector and emitter of the transistor are shorted ending the interruption which triggers whatever device is meant to be triggered. They are usually sealed devices, so there isn't anything to disassemble except the housing, and the wires between it and the system meant to be triggered. So maybe disassembly is that connection point.

All common sensors are simple devices that turn a physical event into a voltage, laser trip wires, light sensors, sound sensors etc. There may be some unknown exotic sensors though. And technically you can use logic as a sensor and that is complex (for example camera motion detection based on video signal) it would still be weird to call a camera a sensor though. Maybe, for example with the satellite, they mean just the infrared sensor was dissembled from the whole satellite. So the satellite still works for everything else, but not the parts relying on the infrared sensors because those were disassembled from the whole.

montalk
08-28-2021, 11:56 AM
I had a UFO sighting late last year that might relate.

Location: Clearing in a rural wooded area near central Florida.

Time: 11PM-11:30PM. Very dark.

Weather: 40s, clear, no wind.

Friend and I were standing around with Gen 3 night vision on. I looked at the stars and spotted the Andromeda galaxy. I pointed it out to him with my laser/light, but he couldn't see the beam too well because the gain was turned down on his night vision and he didn't want to bother messing with it.

So I played around with the beam for a few seconds when suddenly a little semi-transparent cloud appeared in the sky, either at the end of the beam when I held still, or off to the side of the beam lagging behind when moving it around.

The size of this "cloud" was like a dime held at arm's length.

As I moved the laser around, it would chase the beam like a fast moving amoeba or a cat chasing a laser dot, up to a full width's distance from the end of the beam. It seemed to have a speed limit.

Its shape would distort with motion, going from a circular look when still to more of a teardrop crossed with a Pac-Man ghost when going back and forth, or in a fast circle.

I assumed it was glare on my night vision lens and was amused by it, but just to be sure I glanced at my friend and told him to look up, but when I looked back it was gone and he couldn't see it either. With naked eye, couldn't see anything at all.

Total time observed: 30-60 seconds.

Estimated altitude: not sure, it was mono night vision so no depth perception but I'm guessing 100 yards or less.

After it was gone, I breathed on the lens to get some condensation going and tried again but couldn't replicate it. I also angled the laser / light at various positions to get glare going and could not replicate it. Not before, nor since. The stars were sharp and in focus, and no other light sources were around. The cloud did not match lens flare or internal reflections. So I'm ruling out optical artifacts on my electronics.

Hypothesis:

a) It was some kind of atmospheric phenomenon where a trapped air pocket somehow "stored" the laser energy briefly and then discharged it in a diffuse glow, similar to glow in the dark plastics but faster charge/discharge time. Never heard of such a thing though, and the air pocket disappeared too quickly if that were the case.

b) It was a nonphysical atmosphere critter. If there are ghosts and phantoms and demons, maybe there are floating plasma critters in the sky that feed on, or are attracted to, infrared light.

c) There was a human or alien ship overhead with cloaking-skin technology. When the infrared light/laser shone on it, it either got briefly charged up by it and shone it back, or it read that light like a chameleon reading its surroundings and automatically 'played back' that color with a time lag and some diffusion due to getting overloaded. Thus when I swirl the beam around, the afterglow blotch would "chase" it around.

I'm leaning toward (c), and was reminded of this incident with the latest discussion here.

One time I watched a video lecture by a guy in the UFO field, forgot who. He mentioned decades ago seeing a military(?) UFO detector system that used a camera and a laser, if I remember correctly, and it would detect minute distortions in the atmosphere in order to detect an alien ship.

pontificator
08-29-2021, 04:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6apab6_GNwk&amp;t=6s&amp;ab_channel=CristinaGomez

Fore
08-29-2021, 09:41 AM
49:55 was my favorite question. Cracked me up to see him react to it. God bless that Red Panda Koala for paying to have my question asked.
Best spent $4.99 I've ever seen.

https://youtu.be/6apab6_GNwk?t=2995

:angel_not:

https://i.imgur.com/Cb6aE3Y.jpg

Fore
08-29-2021, 10:27 AM
Havana Syndrome (Psychotronic Weapons):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdEyHn0oGWY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcaKrCDKe2M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSOLX3LWJMc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcDuAh5M_18

https://i.imgur.com/pREwYiW.jpg

Do the symptoms sound familiar? :das:):rolleyes::biggrin2:

Fore
08-29-2021, 10:53 AM
I've been scanning through the videos. And I think these "Symptoms" people are describing sounds sometimes like Psychotronic weapons (dumb weapons) while others instead sound like your typical symptoms of someone without psychic abilities being scanned by a telepath from a cold start (inactive, non-psychic newbie).

If you momentarily access someone's "influence structures" without in-depth handling... to bring them to a reasonably active state...they are going to suffer a lot of pain.

Mostly from their "influence structures" being partially teased into a semi-active state. Their increasing release of influence increases but their insides aren't cleaned out by a full activation. They don't really get to flush out their influence ~pores~ to clear out the junk influence.

I know how painful that can be, and if you leave it like that, it feels incredibly unpleasant and can last a long time. This is probably why they say "it lasts" long after the event has come and gone. I wonder if it is a metaphysical problem rather than a physical problem.

I know the "ET" said that some features can cause temporary localized seizures if you turn them on incorrectly or out of sequence. (It feels like someone hits you in the head with a small hammer)

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In some cases, there are people who describe an audible noise in the targeted location. That's probably a psychotronic weapon.

But when it's "electromagnetic" and it's impossible to track down, that's probably them picking up the background noise of a psychic scan being directed at certain people.

Just my opinion though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RStSce0W8wE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeehitD42Zg

pontificator
08-29-2021, 11:16 AM
I've been wondering if it's an intelligence gathering exercise. A group of "new" psychic spies could easily cause this havoc, especially if they are raw and fairly untrained; from our point of view. I know I can induce wicked headaches if i put my mind to it, but that's simply not a good thing to do.
Wonder if the Chinese intelligence community actually checks on the material here... mind you, if they had, they'd probably be getting visited by "interesting" things. It's a great way to compromise an entire intelligence gathering apparatus when you do that, as the US has the jump on them in terms of "agreements" with "outside" entities.

I noted Luis mentioned about sensor placement in terms of detecting UAP activity, and grinned when he pointed out you would only need one in the correct place. Now, that's rather interesting, and would certainly be of interest to the Galileo project folks.
Begs the question, is this due to there being a "flight corridor", a specific dimensional gate [we know the "higher-ups" use those], the need to exit and enter on the dark-side of the earth, or something bit more exotic? [There's also the issue of their operating base not too far away from Earth, could be they know where it is, although I remember Fore wrote that the Advisor said it was being hidden.]

Sansanoy
08-29-2021, 12:29 PM
In some cases, there are people who describe an audible noise in the targeted location. That's probably a psychotronic weapon.

But when it's "electromagnetic" and it's impossible to track down, that's probably them picking up the background noise of a psychic scan being directed at certain people.

Just my opinion though.


That makes sense to me, directed energy weapons should be easy to detect with the right tools. It just boggles my mind that there are no countermeasures employed here. There is no reason we can't detect these frequencies, and at the very least we can create simple detectors. Florescent lights will actually light up from microwave energy. A few RF lights would be a very simple measure, and RF scopes are pretty cheap for their budget. So the fact that we don't seem able to stop it does sound like it's something else.

I have synesthesia, mostly touch but when it's dark there is a light visual aspect to it. Sometimes when my wife has a migraine and my head is near hers I can detect it because my touch and vision goes off and I feel this darkish red circle with tiny black daggers, slivers really, swimming in a circular pattern. Those same daggers hit my own brain and I feel it. She doesn't tell me she has a migraine, I feel the daggers outside her own head hitting mine. If it can go from the inside out to me, the same "force", which I guess would be electromagnetic, can go from the outside in.

Sansanoy
08-29-2021, 08:30 PM
Post removed at request of author.

pontificator
08-30-2021, 02:17 AM
I'm going to point out an opportunity for all of you, keep the following diagram in mind, perhaps open next to the above video.
1772
Now, using that, listen to what they say in the interviews and where their recall eye movement is going. It's actually rather fun, but it also works very well because we have talking heads :)
You'll, over time, see their recall method for memories and what they are about to potentially reference as they speak.
Now, use that as training and remember it, you may need it in the future, and it could potentially save your life.

Fore
08-30-2021, 05:05 AM
I had a UFO sighting late last year that might relate.

Location: Clearing in a rural wooded area near central Florida.

Time: 11PM-11:30PM. Very dark.

Weather: 40s, clear, no wind.

Friend and I were standing around with Gen 3 night vision on.

Montalk, the man with the heart and mind of a true researcher.

I had a question. I've heard that UFO's tend to create electronic interference. I have a good idea of how ET's can do it with PSI projections...but physically, I've no clue.

Some people have been speculating that the electrical disturbances are from physical proximity to a UFO.

Question: Considering third-generation goggles exist as commercial and military products...Are they in any way shielded (beyond normal) from EMI? (Electromagnetic Interference?)

I ask this because an interesting question reading your account came to mind. How is that a UFO at 200 yards (600ft~) or less causes a car and cameras to malfunction? But when it comes to certain encounters the like the USS Omaha nightscope video the craft looks like it's within that distance from the top of the deck...and yet, no EMI or electrical problems in the night scope.

Isn't that weird? Or is EMI an optional effect that can be induced on demand?
Or is it purely non-physical PSI phenomena affecting physical devices and their inherent physics?

I know you probably don't know, but it's just something to sift through mental data. Perhaps wondering about why electrical disturbances appear in certain instances and not others. Seems kinda convenient for the phenomena if you ask me.

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By the way, I am currently reading through your article on Jar Magazine:
https://www.jar-magazine.com/ask-the-panel/126-the-blinders-of-ufology

I wanted to ask you something in private.

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Also, assuming that a UFO has an active "phasing field" around it, and assuming that the occupants of said craft aren't experiencing 1:1 time inside and outside the bubble. (time differentials)

Do any actual UFO cases indicate that the lights intensify upon it moving. Or shift in color when moving?

I've seen some videos online about the alleged TR3b sightings (and man there is a lot of them) and something I am noticing is that they become brighter seconds before moving in the videos.

I was wondering if that is a hoax or if it's a real observed phenomenon?

Sansanoy
08-30-2021, 12:06 PM
I'm going to point out an opportunity for all of you, keep the following diagram in mind, perhaps open next to the above video.
1772
Now, using that, listen to what they say in the interviews and where their recall eye movement is going. It's actually rather fun, but it also works very well because we have talking heads :)
You'll, over time, see their recall method for memories and what they are about to potentially reference as they speak.
Now, use that as training and remember it, you may need it in the future, and it could potentially save your life.

Will that work for something like this? I wonder how much of this is real in the physical sense, and not an interpretation of our mind of non physical events. So for example the lizard eyes in the video, (I have seen that btw, it's astonishing), can a biological eye really morph? Or is this the DMT in our brain showing us the non physical things that we need to see? If that is the case, which brain will recall it?

montalk
08-30-2021, 01:31 PM
Question: Considering third-generation goggles exist as commercial and military products...Are they in any way shielded (beyond normal) from EMI? (Electromagnetic Interference?)

Hi Fore. The ones used by pilots have shielding, but more to keep them from interfering with the aircraft's instruments. The ones that soldiers use (the PVS-14) are not EMP hardened because in being small, self-contained, using short wires and very basic components, they are not sensitive enough to justify the cost/weight of shielding. Length of wiring determines how much of an antenna something is, and therefore how much current or voltage is induced when an EMP hits. That said, many preppers keep theirs inside an ammo can just in case, haha.


I ask this because an interesting question reading your account came to mind. How is that a UFO at 200 yards (600ft~) or less causes a car and cameras to malfunction? But when it comes to certain encounters the like the USS Omaha nightscope video the craft looks like it's within that distance from the top of the deck...and yet, no EMI or electrical problems in the night scope.

Not to mention, people get abducted out of apartments in the middle of cities, and it's not like cars malfunction and power glitches whenever that happens. And yet, there are definitely cases of things sometimes malfunctioning in the presence of alien ships and aliens.

As far as cars go, I remember a case or two where the car stalled but after the UFO left the car started back up automatically. Only explanation I could come up with is that the electrons in the starter coil or distributor cap and wires were momentarily frozen, and after the UFO left they continued on their way and ignited the engine. I think something similar was happening in the computer monitor that you once were able to fritz, as the inverter circuit inside uses coils and high voltage too.

It wouldn't surprise me if the effects included certain physical constants momentarily changing, like the electric permittivity and magnetic permeability constants of free space. These determine how things interact magnetically and electrically with how much force. If the electric constant changed, electrons in wires wouldn't behave right and you'd get equipment malfunctions.

There was an earthquake researcher, Larry Park, who measured "scalar waves" coming from the ground just prior to earthquakes. He mentioned how these waves would alter the magnetic constant, and there were anecdotes of refrigerator magnets sliding/falling off fridges in the hours/days before an earthquake due to that.

So whether it's electron motion, electron density (determined by how much force they repel each other with), or electric/magnetic constants being affected, the result would be electronics not working right.


Isn't that weird? Or is EMI an optional effect that can be induced on demand?
Or is it purely non-physical PSI phenomena affecting physical devices and their inherent physics?

I'm reminded of spoon bending parties. That's psi phenomena softening metal. But there are also claims of devices that can do that using high voltage fields (from Tesla coils or pulse generators) that anomalously soften or outright jellify or liquify metal at room temperatures. John Hutchison and Eugene Podkletnov's work to be specific.

Both produce similar effects, but one uses psi / influence manipulation, and the other uses exotic physics. They may be working on atoms and molecules from two different directions but ultimately meeting in the middle.

So the electronic malfunctions could likewise be due to either/or, depending on the source and mechanism. Figuring out the bridge between physics and psi in a concrete and applicable way is a bit of a holy grail I'm chasing after.

Regarding UFOs, I bet some of those crafts are human black ops ships that were sloppy in what fields they put out and what they affected.

Whereas aliens seem to have much greater mastery of it, and therefore make fewer mistakes. Which implies it may be intentional when it occurs. After all, do they really need to be flashing all those lights looking like a flying christmas tree... unless they wanted to be seen, in measured doses.



Do any actual UFO cases indicate that the lights intensify upon it moving. Or shift in color when moving?

Yes, there was a good example of where it changed colors and then got real bright as it took off toward outer space. But I can't remember the name of that case. I don't think it was a TR3B though.

Here's sort of another one: https://www.ufocasebook.com/Allagash.html -- "After a time on the lake, the four suddenly saw a light... a light that seemed much brighter than a star. The glowing orb was hovering over the trees a couple of hundred yards away. The object changed colors as it moved back and forth; red, then green, then a whitish yellow."

(Side note: while the Tic Tac UFO vids seem totally real, the night vision one of the triangular fuzzy UFOs may not be legit: https://alternateuniverse.co/the-navys-triangle-bokeh-ufo-video-shows-jupiter-and-stars )

Sansanoy
09-02-2021, 04:03 PM
The bridge between physics and PSI.

Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces of our universe. We have finally gotten to the point that we can explain and describe our entire world in great detail all the way down the very foundations of why things are the way they are. There can't be an infinite regress of explanations, explanations must end somewhere, but what would it look like if we took electromagnetism a step further? I would say the next step is mind. Having described the entire universe in mathematics, what is left unexplained is mind. There is nothing external to the mind that explains the mind.

Imagine an apple, an apple is the sum of it's properties. Red, sweet, sour, gritty, or perhaps you could go with it's physical makeup, water carbon etc. It is no more or less than the sum of it's properties, having described it's properties there is nothing left of it to describe. When it comes to the fundamental properties of our universe, a thing can be entirely summed up as a mathematical formula. It has no properties other than the formula which describes it, to write the formula is to fully describe it. But what are the formulas really? Live intentions, persistent will, or even a given command - a mathematical formula is a sentence, mind put into words. They describe intention. I don't mean that in the sense of Panpsychism, but that these formulas describe the intentions of a mind, just as a formula for a video game describes the intentions of the coder.

Maybe it isn't a bridge between PSI and Physics, maybe the Physics rests upon the mental in a form of Idealism that allows for a real physical world. Maybe these changes are permissions within an intention or outgoing command. So for example lets say I'm Master of the Universe at the foundational level. Electromagnetism is my constant intention, however there are circumstances where electromagnetism my cause harm, and I want to suspend the outcome of those intentions, because they are superseded by greater intentions. To resolve these conflicts I send out beings with permissions, who may do good, or may violate my superseding intentions with their own because they have this authority, or permission to operate in this realm. This is something humans do at the material level, using metal for murder rather than farming. Perhaps these do the same at the fundamental level.

pontificator
09-04-2021, 01:02 PM
Been doing a bit of checking out various Rabbit Holes, as it were. Came across an individual who claimed ET contact, had the usual themes which seem to pop up every so often, but there were some details which seemed interesting.
1) Cull/dieoff of humanity; to do with an event starting in late December of 2020, culminating in everything completely going to pot within 2 years (Postings were in July of 2019).
2) Rescue of a limited amount of humanity; minor aside, those hiding underground have made their own tombs.
3) The return of the results of that rescue 15 years later, as Hybrids. <--- This be interesting.

The above three ideas (dieoff, ET rescue of small amount of pop, a return) are a common theme in doomsday predictions. Essentially, what we are looking at there is a recreation of the doomsday events for Revelation. For those who don't know any better, they see and hear what appears to be nonsense, and then a third-party capitalises on it. Not terribly difficult to do if you have the resources and nounce.

This all came about as I was researching the Deadman's switch of John McAfee, and its operation. I'm carefully following how that matter is proceeding, as it seems a fairly amusing project.
It leads to to such interesting things as (the following front company):
https://www.ingersolllockwood.com/declas-spaceforce-future-proves-past/
https://www.ingersolllockwood.com/space-force-labs/
I'll never quite understand why they always have this fascination with Space Nazis...

NZ has been very windy and wet over my way, with the usual increasing violence in the storm strength. While everyone else is just treating it as something normal, it is as plain as day to me that things are not good on that front.
I noticed that an article, in the Herald [sorry, I can't find it right now], actually encouraged people to have reserve supplies. Such things, due to the way the Govt uses the media here, only get out when there is a certainty there is a problem.

It was like that with the current lockdown due to the Delta outbreak here, just 4 days before they were talking about how people should prepare for a lockdown etc It's like clockwork, every time they say, it happens.

Sansanoy
09-05-2021, 01:15 AM
1) Cull/dieoff of humanity; to do with an event starting in late December of 2020, culminating in everything completely going to pot within 2 years (Postings were in July of 2019).
2) Rescue of a limited amount of humanity; minor aside, those hiding underground have made their own tombs.
3) The return of the results of that rescue 15 years later, as Hybrids. <--- This be interesting.

The language in this theme has always bothered me. How is the similarity to Revelation always missed. Why do these beings use such neutral language, making everything a simulacrum of what it is in revelation. They keep the structure but rewrite the characters and themes with slight alterations with the end result seemingly serving no eschatological purpose. Fore, as someone who has been on both sides of this, what do you make of this kind of religious simulacra?

That ingersol site is really really really strange. There are hidden links and sections all over it, and the news site has a video that zooms out from earth and leaves the galaxy. There is a countdown on one page that yields sept. 20th 7pm. There is a search button that finds nothing, not even topics from the site. It sounds like another enigma news source like Qanon was.

Fore
09-05-2021, 08:29 PM
The language in this theme has always bothered me. How is the similarity to Revelation always missed. Why do these beings use such neutral language, making everything a simulacrum of what it is in revelation. They keep the structure but rewrite the characters and themes with slight alterations with the end result seemingly serving no eschatological purpose. Fore, as someone who has been on both sides of this, what do you make of this kind of religious simulacra?My take on it is that not appearing to address, a known event with unknown timing, has serious implications for ongoing ET propaganda.

For example, the individual known as Steven Greer and his "Disclosure". He has this whole narrative set up (by the ET's) addressing the bigger picture of themselves and their relationship with everything in this world. (Case in point: The Movie he made recently called "The Cosmic Hoax.")

Despite his connections to the ET, he hasn't said a peep about the impacts in the near future.

If the Bible warns of the impending comet/asteroid impacts with specificity in relation to other events...it'll reflect really bad on their ongoing campaigns if it remained unaddressed ahead of time.

How does an "ancient book" have knowledge of the impending problem and yet the ET and Greer didn't know or address it?

It'll be seen as problematic.

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The easier stance is to percolate it across many ET sanctioned sources as a known (nebulously defined) event without establishing a timeline. Therefore when it happens, they can say, "we told you so!" and legitimize its existence.

They know the Bible has accurate information, therefore they mimic its content but under their own narrative.

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There is nothing worse than "a space guru" who knows what happens in the stock market a year from now but was oblivious that his tent burned down that same day.

They are hedging their narratives, IMO.

If I were you, I would post *dead center* on his Twitter feed, asking if he knows of any impending Earth impacts from the ET sources he's had contact with.

Then have someone else retweet your question. (unanswered or answered)

When he doesn't answer it, keep it somewhere safe so when he sings a new song after impact as if he knew of it you can point to your tweet as a "null" response.

If he answers he does know, then keep a copy of the interaction.
If he answers he doesn't know, then keep a copy of the same.

That way he and his contacts can't RetCon the narrative.

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It'll be fun, trust me. :)

Sansanoy
09-05-2021, 11:12 PM
That makes a lot of sense. It's so easy to forget how much they don't actually know.

Sansanoy
09-07-2021, 09:35 PM
Thinking more about this I heard something interesting about tribulation in Greek. It doesn't quite mean what we think it means, the tribulation isn't environmental disaster and persecution. It's pressure, most often as confinement. There is one verse in Romans 8:35 which can clarify what it is and what it isn't. "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?"
Tribulation (https://biblehub.com/greek/2347.htm) - properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"
Distress (https://biblehub.com/greek/4730.htm) - "narrow, confined" and 5561 /xṓra, "space, territory, area") – properly, a narrow place; (figuratively) a difficult circumstance
Persecution (https://biblehub.com/greek/1375.htm) - "follow, pursue") – properly, pursuit (chase); persecution – literally, "the hunt to bring someone down like an animal,"

Matthew 24:19-21 really brings it out "And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." Here tribulation is contrasted with the ability to flee - basically pray that your flight will not occur during the confinement. In verse 9 Tribulation is used as imprisonment - "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death". Further Acts 7:9-10 "And the patriarchs, jealous of Joseph, sold him into Egypt; but God was with him 10and rescued him out of all his afflictions(tribulation) ..."

Examples as pressure.
1) John 16:21 "When a woman is giving birth, she has sorrow because her hour has come, but when she has delivered the baby, she no longer remembers the anguish(tribulation), for joy that a human being has been born into the world. "

2) Acts 7:11 "Now there came a famine throughout all Egypt and Canaan, and great affliction(tribulation), and our fathers could find no food"

3) For full examples see here (https://www.billmounce.com/greek-dictionary/thlipsis)

I wonder if there is any mention of this pressure, or confinement in "ET" simulacra.

Fore
09-08-2021, 12:14 AM
Probably in reference to the ET plan to confine populations to their cities until they decide what their positions are on a matter.

I still don't particularly understand the point of keeping people from freely moving about.
It's a mystery even to me. Many questions, little in the way of answers.

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I have to admit though, Covid is a great practice run for lockdowns.
The vaccine passport if executed the right way is a great practice for
rehearsals in individuals' freedom based on a specific type of criteria.

Sansanoy
09-08-2021, 05:08 PM
I have to admit though, Covid is a great practice run for lockdowns.
The vaccine passport if executed the right way is a great practice for
rehearsals in individuals' freedom based on a specific type of criteria.
It really is. It seems like a practice game that Australia plans to win in utter domination. The reactions to this have just been insane, especially by Australia. It feels less like an issue of health, and more like a program of dehumanization and governmental control. Something in the back of my mind just keeps going danger, danger, danger, like another shoe is going to drop, like something is deeply wrong and it isn't covid.

I don't know if you have seen this. Here (https://youtu.be/hJpS_jajub0?t=442) is what the mask is actually doing. The masks send all your exhale straight up into the air where it can spread farther and get picked up by the HVAC return air vent and distributed through the entire room, and it also sends it out the sides at greater velocity than normal. If people just exhaled through their nose it would go straight down out of your nostrils to the floor. Nothing they are doing, at various levels, makes any sense, especially Australia. Australia has just become nuts, I have to wonder how long before they will be putting people into camps. Canada and the UK don't seem too far behind them, America has the 2A stop gap at least.

pontificator
09-09-2021, 02:28 AM
Interesting, the followup booster shot in NZ is going to be Novavax, which is a pretty traditional style vaccine. The effectiveness is very high, and it is not hype laden, just been slow to get through the normal processes; this is expected to be a yearly vaccine, like the Flu shot.
It appears the Govt here in NZ has not been very impressed, overall, by the effectiveness of Pfizer in the long-term (Israel is demonstrating this "live"). I also suspect the fact that while it protects, it makes everyone effectively asymptomatic when they are infected. As you can imagine, having that as a ticking timebomb, where your population is going into coin-toss territory as the effectiveness goes down, is not exactly a good place to be.

In terms of rounding people up and isolating, we have the isolation facilities for people coming into the country, and also specialist isolation facilities. These are mainly converted hotels, and not really purpose built. I'll be a bit more worried if they start putting up new prison-like facilities all around, but I suspect they lack the materials to do that...

If anyone knows when the next live Luis Elizondo interview is going to be on Youtube, please give everyone a heads-up here, I know a fun opportunity when I see one ;)

CasperParks
09-09-2021, 03:52 AM
Luis Elizondo called into Fade to Black (https://jimmychurchradio.com/) on Monday, 09/06/2021.
His call starts are roughly 1:04 on the meter.


https://youtu.be/6R5b6rSlRow?t=3853



(snip) If anyone knows when the next live Luis Elizondo interview is going to be on Youtube, please give everyone a heads-up here, I know a fun opportunity when I see one ;)

pontificator
09-09-2021, 05:16 AM
@CasperParks thank you :) Hopefully there will be a specific time when everyone here can hop in-channel and ask him a few questions :)

As it is, I was going to point out this is on the cards: https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a37375726/air-force-secret-space-weapon/

As you can see, it'll be a great threat to an Alien invasion force, they will be so busy facepalming that they'll fail to see the approaching ground...
Joking aside, from what I was seeing on this topic, there was a massive debate over even talking about it, as it is a two-edged sword to reveal your own capabilities.
Keep in mind, that revealing this now probably means they have something else which is its successor.

Sansanoy
09-09-2021, 02:58 PM
I also suspect the fact that while it protects, it makes everyone effectively asymptomatic when they are infected. As you can imagine, having that as a ticking timebomb, where your population is going into coin-toss territory as the effectiveness goes down, is not exactly a good place to be.

Very true, and another reason why none of it makes sense. We have delta because of the proliferation of the vaccine well beyond the vulnerable. It's like taking a pack of dogs and sterilizing the most docile ones, now whenever someone is bit, they are bitten by the most aggressive dogs while they are made to flourish by natural selection inside the vaccinated. The young are more vulnerable now than they were at the start because of the sole proliferation of this variant. And like you say, because they are leaky vaccines, the vaccinated are less likely to be aware that they are carrying it due to a decrease in the chance of becoming asymptomatic. This whole idea of covid going away through mandatory vaccination is verifiably mistaken. They are already calling those with 2 doses unvaccinated in Israel, and Fauci is talking about eventually needing 4 doses. In reality such an intent would require a subscription to the vaccine because it won't go away anymore than the flu due to how the vaccines work. The only way to truly stop these wave spikes is a mixture of natural immunity supplied by treatments and vaccines for the particularly vulnerable. The vaccine works like an immune system BOLO for people in hats, whereas natural immunity is like a BOLO for a full description of the enemy. It's much more likely to respond to variants, than the narrow image provided by vaccines.

Sansanoy
09-09-2021, 03:40 PM
Australia Quarantine. A well furnished prison, with no yard time. (bad language) Author says this is the second time in his 11 days of solitary confinement that someone has gone nuts in their room. Author had 9 negative tests as was still denied being able to quarantine at home.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_emP9BcP2E

Fore
09-11-2021, 07:08 PM
https://youtu.be/Cm7fBZq-8T4

epo333
09-12-2021, 03:45 PM
Boy ole Lue Elizondo sure gets around . . . He has a "high & tight" hair cut here.

Anyway!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqZ98WvFXi8&t=375s

pontificator
09-13-2021, 07:28 AM
Hmmm, sounds like Angela Merkel was attending to represent German interests. [Not too many scientific experts heading Govts in EU]
*mutters* Governments [take your pick] never try to contact me for a chat *mutters*
I'm just joking about the sourcing of information from the public ;) [Must be too scared, or perhaps something threatened them {which wouldn't surprise me}.]

Next video from the series [should contain the good stuff]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COsPz68819k

Fore
09-13-2021, 08:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNWLN1x5ND0

DHS Employee Leaks Several Craft Captures

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/png04l/confirmed_authentic_09122021_a_superchat_user_and/

A superchat user AND Lue confirmed DHS employee Leak, Authentic.

==============================


https://youtu.be/zCEm636-0bI

UFO Footage I-10 N. Florida Very Strange 11 26 2011 "Original Footage" As seen on "Fact Or Faked"



(Footage found on the net by Red Panda Koala)

pontificator
09-14-2021, 01:02 AM
Here we go, it's on:
https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/s2610/BILLS-117s2610pcs.pdf - page 83 on.

An article covering this: https://thedebrief.org/congress-calls-for-permanent-office-to-address-unidentified-aerial-phenomena/

Once this gets going, which should be approx March 2022, you can expect it to cover more and more. I point this out about this event: This is very important and will shape what is to come.

A bit further down the track, you will need to seriously consider if you want people to know you have had any kind of interaction with a non-standard entity.

dreamoftheiris
09-14-2021, 04:30 AM
Very true, and another reason why none of it makes sense. We have delta because of the proliferation of the vaccine well beyond the vulnerable. It's like taking a pack of dogs and sterilizing the most docile ones, now whenever someone is bit, they are bitten by the most aggressive dogs while they are made to flourish by natural selection inside the vaccinated. The young are more vulnerable now than they were at the start because of the sole proliferation of this variant. And like you say, because they are leaky vaccines, the vaccinated are less likely to be aware that they are carrying it due to a decrease in the chance of becoming asymptomatic. This whole idea of covid going away through mandatory vaccination is verifiably mistaken. They are already calling those with 2 doses unvaccinated in Israel, and Fauci is talking about eventually needing 4 doses. In reality such an intent would require a subscription to the vaccine because it won't go away anymore than the flu due to how the vaccines work. The only way to truly stop these wave spikes is a mixture of natural immunity supplied by treatments and vaccines for the particularly vulnerable. The vaccine works like an immune system BOLO for people in hats, whereas natural immunity is like a BOLO for a full description of the enemy. It's much more likely to respond to variants, than the narrow image provided by vaccines.

I am concerned with the effects of these vaccines on "psychically" inclined individuals. I'm seeing an increasingly number of posts on Reddit describing a feeling of being "cut off" from the spiritual and other effects which are suggestive of something screwing with peoples psychic structures.


Take a look at these reports from a few users on Reddit:



"By the time I was post vaccine around 8 hours I had an emotional breakdown. I was saying that I "didn't feel like myself".


I know it's been allegedly debunked but I'm pretty sure it's real but there was a video where they were talking about how vaccines could be used to kill part of the brain that has what they call "God consciousness" the discussion was to use this against jihadist and domestic terrorists because it's believed those people are operating from a religiously dogmatic and belief based system.


I'm pretty sure that's kind of what I experienced. this lack of connection.


I thought it was just because of my spiritual background but once I started diving into the vaccine effects it seems a lot of people get it


it can be considered a clinical symptom of neurological or brain damage but if you put your tin foil hat on could also be intentional. Losing your sense of connectivity has damaging effects on human happiness and could lead to violence as people lose their sense of humanity.


I've had several major respiratory illnesses in my life (which is why I even bothered with the vaccine) but had never experienced what the vaccine made me experience this horrific gut wrenching feeling of being almost 'soulless'?

I'm a bit more back to normal but I attribute that to my immediate instinct to take psychedelics 😂 after my vaccine.

I still experience everything differently with a bit of a flat effect. I'm sure that's part vaccine but also almost 2 years of fear mongering media, isolation, and other stressor in my life.

I recall telling a friend the vaccine made me feel like I'd never experience happiness or connection to the universe again."



-u/ShallotSelect1473



"I havenít been able to lucid dream or astral project since I got my first shot of moderna and Iím actually panicking, with the lucid dreaming that comes to me randomly but I have ALWAYS been able to astral project at will and have been free-styling it since I was a toddler; since before I knew the name for what I was doing. I canít access that state no matter how hard I try." - u/Lauradeel



"Chaotic, I feel almost bipolar. Sometimes I feel like Iím on top of the world, literally. Like Iím not part of the earth but Iím pushing the earth down when I walk. Sometimes I feel like Iím in heavy darkness. I now have all 7 chakras activated, before knowing what chakras even were. I have intense and extremely realistic dreams and nightmares. I have extremely invasive thoughts but also very pleasant thoughts that donít feel like mine. Thoughts like ďeveryone loves youĒ accompanied with my heart chakra lighting up. I make music and Iíve literally heard music that isnít being played like itís in the room, no one else can hear it. And it fits the song. Iíve been waking up at 3-4 am almost every morning when I had previously been waking up at like 9." - u/cheddarcheeks123


"I don't know how else to put this. I had my second dose of Pfizer two weeks ago and I've become convinced there is something in these vaccines that cuts people off from spirit.

It's like my consciousness has been leashed and life has turned the volume down real low.

I can no longer:

- Feel empathy, or deep emotion, heartfelt emotion. You know that thing in your chest where you feel, physically, not intellectually. It's gone. No love, happiness, sadness, anger, anything. No compassion.

- Transcend myself in meditation, feel infinity, God and the like. Like I've been reduced to my 5 senses, and even those have been diminished.

- Feel my intuition at all, no gut feelings whatsoever, it's like I'm completely blind.

- Feel music, art, food. Be passionate about anything, have motivation for anything, I don't even feel hungry or tired, I feel nothing. Not a numbness, not a dissociation (I've had both), but a straight up lack, a severance to that spark that animates our inner lives.

- Lucid dream, astral project, even feel my energetic body at all. It's like it has dissipated.

- Sleep properly at all, and when I do it's like I can't enter as deep a sleep as I used to.

- Breathe or yawn as deeply as I used to?? This may seem unrelated but breath = prana = lifeforce...ygm

Basically, I feel like a bot." - u/ccatcal







These experiences could just be their body reacting to the vaccine in a way that, unfortunately, feels like a sort of depression.


I wonder, though, if there is something in the mRNA vaccine which is affecting people's psychic structures? And why would that be the case? Or rather, why would "they" create something that does that?

Sansanoy
09-14-2021, 05:35 PM
I am concerned with the effects of these vaccines on "psychically" inclined individuals. I'm seeing an increasingly number of posts on Reddit describing a feeling of being "cut off" from the spiritual and other effects which are suggestive of something screwing with peoples psychic structures.



I have taken medication that had this effect on me, it is exactly like being cut off from spiritual things. I have heard a few people say they don't feel themselves anymore after getting this vax. My wife had a "strange" feeling for weeks from J&J. Some of the effects you listed sound like mild autism, which some claim vaccines can cause. I am shocked by the determination of governments to get everyone, of any age, vaccinated, for something with such a high survival rate. There is no claim of efficacy by these vaccines to prevent transmission, only severity. Until that claim can be made, there shouldn't be this expectation that 100% vaccination is going to end the stream of variants. So when I hear that the vax mandate is to protect the vaxed from the unvaxed it's hard not to think the worst when their actions don't match their claimed motivations. Something just feels like walking into a spiders web.

pontificator
09-15-2021, 02:15 AM
From my point of view, I can't say I've observed an effect yet. But then again I have a wait for a second dose.
Yes, yes, I know a lot of you will wonder why I'd run it as a dangerous experiment, but I'm more of a scientist at heart. This means direct observation and monitoring; as well as isolating it to only hit the arm ;)
I did notice there was a numbing of the left arm, with a bit of ongoing weakness, and the integration of the carrier medium down it. However, that will fade in time as it expends itself; the left arm also has poor circulation below the elbow, due to a prior car accident.
There was one odd side effect, I did get clotting in a finger on the left hand, but this cleared quite well when I spotted it and prompted it to do so; I use visual prompts for the desired effect, it usually works quite well; I've used that for a long time since I've been young, when I learned about the effects of Placebos and things like this: https://drdavidhamilton.com/how-your-mind-can-impact-your-immune-system/. The thought was, if thinking about things and visualising things works, then surely it'll work for other stuff. I assure people, it works great for warts, just imagine the pain, smoke and wound created from pouring acid onto it each day, works a treat for me.

On a side-note, I still get alerts from people thinking things of significance, so a friend is in trouble, and I'm trying to sort them out, but not sure if I'm in time. As far as I can tell, the cause is an event propelling itself into the past to a time when something can be done; always thought audio, always in the voice of the person saying something of significance as though in conversation. It's an interesting effect overall, and this is one of the few times I'll see if I can make a difference; it won't kill anyone if I fail, and that will only happen if they choose not to accept help.

pontificator
09-17-2021, 06:08 AM
A couple of videos today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVX6zJ3HiyQ&amp;ab_channel=VechtenmetMoszkowic z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4zho5lWH1g&amp;ab_channel=DisclosureTeam

Note: I'm watching these soon, mainly interested in getting them here to make it easier for everyone to find them.

pontificator
09-21-2021, 09:20 AM
A nice summary of Tom Delonges' position on various ET and UFO/UAP/Flying BBQ topics:
https://libredd.it/r/ufo/comments/drngzw/a_summary_of_tom_delonges_statements_about_the/

Note: Flying BBQ applies only if you approach the craft too close while it is operation, especially if it is purging its artificial singularity field. Surgeon General's Warning: UFOs/UAPs can cause cancer.

An excellent new, and quite long interview with Luis Elizondo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K03nGoZg0xE&amp;ab_channel=DisclosureTeam

Yes, I'm keeping my eyes peeled for these, probably because there is usually 1 or more new bits of info hidden away. His stance on some of the later questions is also interesting.

At the risk of losing some brain cells, I also checked a few other experiencer's accounts for what's going on. Same theme still applies, take the religious bits and replace them with aliens, and mystical lonely being creating life. Add conflict between souless and those with souls etc. Always a limited amount who will make it. Noticed one common element, which is conjoining of soul with another body to become complete (if that isn't in seriously bad territory, then nothing is.)

Now this is critical important: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3
Read a different way, manager sends down two blokes to evacuate critical assets. Then utilises redirected asteroid to perform orbital strike, because people in two cities offended him major. Lot's miss's gets radical new dead sea salt exfoliation treatment, after hanging around too long, by being splashed by super-heated molten salt ejecta.

Overall, rather interesting theory, but much like the magicians during the 7 plagues of Egypt, probably much more to it. It does, however, confirm something seriously bad happened there.

pontificator
09-22-2021, 07:20 AM
From the nature paper linked earlier (very long read):

One of the largest volcanic eruptions known for the last 10,000 years occurred at ~ 1663–1599 BCE (3613–3549 cal BP)169 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3#ref-CR169), centered in the eastern Mediterranean on Thera, a Greek island now known as Santorini. The explosion generated a massive tsunami that is proposed to have reached the island of Crete 110 km away and triggered the collapse of the Minoan culture, which evidence suggests was closely related to the culture at TeH143 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3#ref-CR143),170 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-97778-3#ref-CR170).

A rather interesting coincidence that all traces of a particular type of culture was being removed in such a complete manner; as in burn it with fire.

Fore
09-22-2021, 10:25 AM
From the nature paper linked earlier (very long read):


A rather interesting coincidence that all traces of a particular type of culture was being removed in such a complete manner; as in burn it with fire.

An explosion larger than Tunguska? Damn, that was a pretty big blast...
1400C too...

pontificator
09-22-2021, 11:50 AM
An explosion larger than Tunguska? Damn, that was a pretty big blast...
1400C too...

It gets much worse as they do the analysis of the minerals and shock damage at the site, basically the place encountered a flash burn which reached 2500+C in order to melt the iridium present etc. The following blast was so strong it basically melted, pulverised and levelled everything above a certain height. The injuries sustained by those who were intact enough to examine were catastrophic, including one child who's legs were snapped at the knees in reverse (they were facing away from the blast.) Some soldiers, or they seem to be soldiers, instantly lost their bodies somewhere below their lower face and above the femer, with the surviving bits hurtling away and being rapidly buried by melted mud bricks, bone splinters and pretty much a pulverised slurry of the rest of the city.

The palace... well, it was completely destroyed not that far above ground level, and the interior plaster was vaporised to the point it was coating the very poor condition artefacts in the area.

Honestly, I've never seen evidence of such massive ferocious damage like this before; Nukes aside, but even they pale compared to what I'm reading about in this paper, the devastation literally salted the earth so it was unusable for agriculture for almost 600 years. Jericho, yes that Jericho, was taken out by the blast wave too, but not quite as badly... well, there will be some debate there. Seems they rebuilt it just in time to get levelled again later; because once was clearly not enough.

pontificator
09-24-2021, 01:10 PM
Meanwhile, scientists discover Black Holes have quantum pressure: https://journals.aps.org/prd/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevD.104.066012
Strange that ;)

Version for mortals: https://www.space.com/black-holes-more-complex-exert-pressure

@Fore, worth thinking of that in terms of the surrounding envelope, as it would act as a transition medium for heat calculations; as well as being an area which would absorb heat. I also suspect that it would affect the refractive index further, but not 100% on how much, as that is completely dependent on the medium present.

pontificator
09-26-2021, 03:56 AM
I was looking at the SAFIRE project a bit more closely, given it's mentioned here and there every so often, noted the Electric Universe crew (I find them a bit "evangelical" at times.) Of course, this project turns out to be what I'm after, which is people doing actual research and getting results, especially unexpected ones.
As I'm watching through the videos in the movies (https://aureon.ca/movies) section, namely "The SAFIRE Project - Bath England July 2019", I note someone in the crowd I've seen before. Well, if if isn't Hal Puthoff, he wouldn't be there unless something really interesting was going on.
Project SAFIRE later commercialised into Aurion (https://aureon.ca), with the obvious aim of getting things off the ground. At their current rate of progress, I suspect we'll see more from them than Fusion in the same timeframe, assuming things don't collapse beforehand.
On another side of things, given the tech required, I suspect you could make a working chamber with power output using less advanced technology, especially with Nation-State backing, so Nazi UFOs are not entirely out of the question ;)

epo333
09-26-2021, 03:32 PM
I was looking at the SAFIRE project a bit more closely, given it's mentioned here and there every so often, noted the Electric Universe crew (I find them a bit "evangelical" at times.) Of course, this project turns out to be what I'm after, which is people doing actual research and getting results, especially unexpected ones.
As I'm watching through the videos in the movies (https://aureon.ca/movies) section, namely "The SAFIRE Project - Bath England July 2019", I note someone in the crowd I've seen before. Well, if if isn't Hal Puthoff, he wouldn't be there unless something really interesting was going on.
Project SAFIRE later commercialised into Aurion (https://aureon.ca), with the obvious aim of getting things off the ground. At their current rate of progress, I suspect we'll see more from them than Fusion in the same timeframe, assuming things don't collapse beforehand.
On another side of things, given the tech required, I suspect you could make a working chamber with power output using less advanced technology, especially with Nation-State backing, so Nazi UFOs are not entirely out of the question ;)

There are a couple of threads here on TOP from last year.


Hal's involvement makes me think this is much further along then I first thought.
It doesn't get much better then energy (electricity) generation and radioactive waist neutralization.

Looking around the web, I found some nay-sayers as we would expect. Sure would be nice if we could find a comment or interview from Hal.

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?2790-Interviewing-%93Mr-X%94-Exotic-Physics-amp-The-UFO-Cover-Up&p=59780&highlight=SAFIRE#post59780

Over all the project seems slow going, could be suppression attempts by oil companies (I seen that first hand by Shell Oil) or lack of investors.

Your absolutely right about Hal Puthoff he seems to be on the edges on news tech.

I'm not sure what you mean by "evangelical" . . .

Longeyes
09-27-2021, 08:42 AM
Yes there are plenty of other threads on the forum.
SAFIRE was recently been discussed by Ross Coultard, the plasma interestingly shows signs of anti-gravity effects as well as over unity. Some very capable people running the program from what I’ve read and watched

Longeyes
09-27-2021, 11:41 AM
Eric Davis is also cited as a consultant at the end of their latest video on their You Tube channel

epo333
09-27-2021, 09:44 PM
Eric Davis is also cited as a consultant at the end of their latest video on their You Tube channel

Quite a Team . . .

https://www.safireproject.com/project/images/team/Safire%20Group%20Portrait-web.jpg


More at link:
https://www.safireproject.com/project/team.html

pontificator
09-29-2021, 10:12 AM
Currently watching this, but also following the comments [break out into youtube and follow the "live" recorded chat.]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_cusmqgPo&amp;ab_channel=WitnessCitizenUAP

Seems something is going on, with account hacking, leaks of accounts, physical breakins etc of UFO researchers, saw mention of problems Luis was having with all his twitter handles being released. Hmmm... suggests someone, probably govt/agency level, has been spooked [not exactly 4-chan territory, they'd be more inclined to help the researchers because it's interesting.]
*nods* Seems there's concerns about time-travellers, or that angle. Hmmm... *nods knowingly* I wonder how this all came about... *taps fingers together* it's almost as though someone released some info to just the right person/s at the right time... which also means I have to do some reading, and see exactly what has come out very recently that could have set this off; we have a time-frame after all.

Anyone aware, before now, of any campaign against UFO researchers which has escalated to this level? [This is following the Gandhi route: first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, and then you win.]

Fore
09-30-2021, 05:22 PM
At least Tom Delonge now understand Probability Space and its role in conscious awareness:
(at 5:30min)

https://music.apple.com/us/post/1586892026

Though the guy who's interviewing him still looks totally *confused* despite the concise explanation.
He also touches towards the end some concepts of influence-induced physics. See if you can spot it.

pontificator
10-06-2021, 04:34 AM
John Eldar_Wolf, Spaghetti Lee - > a contactable email/youtube account -> pontificator.omf@gmail.com
The ball is rolling, check comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRmseECrlw&ab_channel=DisclosureTeam

I specifically made the above account on the 25th, to comment during the prior video, thus why I seem to have "suddenly appeared" *thunderbolt*.
If you see this post, be aware we have a whole different form of theory going on over here, with a bit of first-hand experience; including getting burnt. A lot of things these days are analysis, and don't trust, verify; and certainly don't trust "aliens", especially if they are man-handling you like a cat at the vet, and complaining frequently about you not having a companion [sometimes I wish I was making that up.]

Prior Material of interest, these are effectively PDFs and data dumps of the Open Minds Forum, which provide background material to this thread (be aware, it is considered dangerous material):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FaV0C7KrAtHQPriCKdjnqjI3pQ7zef_k/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bvHCl9XDaRdoDXiawy5wtR75qjhb6u1b/view?usp=sharing

As far as I know, this forum is still not doing registrations, might be exceptions though?

pontificator
10-11-2021, 02:01 PM
Looks like Auckland, NZ will remain in lockdown for a fair bit longer. There are however, some notable changes:
1) The atmosphere surrounding vaccination is, in a way, turning ugly.
2) A prominent aspect of the above is the entire "no jab, no job" concept.
3) I suspect that a fair amount of people are overlooking what they are doing in the above aspect, and that is they are giving the illusion of choice, while offering only punishment and possible death if they do not comply; slippery slope, I suspect the "no jab, no job" will extend to social welfare, in which case people will end up in a situation where they have no income. Combine that with not being able to go into certain businesses to buy your groceries and it gets bad pretty quickly, especially if beggers cannot even shop with the money they begged for. I'm not sure they would have much luck with "please sir, buy me some bread with my money" either.

As the lockdown extends, more and more people are looking for those to blame, and the unvaccinated are a prime target. I am seeing this as more an more of a thing in the press, and as time goes on I note they are not considering what they are doing, and who has done such things before; frankly, this is the territory of dictatorships and a certain moustached man. There has been an interesting emphasis on Gangs recently, however I believe they are a mere convenience, and vilifying them right now will allow the Govt to do things people would not normally support; never let a bad situation go to waste. This could pivot to any group later.

So, the above problem is illustrative of what happens in a pressure situation, where people are losing their freedom, and there seems to be a way out. Given this extends into the "Mark of the Beast" territory, the mechanisms for such a mark to be required will already have been put into practice before it happens. Furthermore, the population will already have encountered and been conditioned/forced to surrender to the concept before, so it will be nothing new to them.

On another front, I think that an oft overlooked resource should be mentioned:
https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier_topic-Always_Free_Resources.htm#compute
Yes, I indeed have one of these accounts, and access to a 4 core AM1 unit with 24Gb of RAM, running at no cost. It can be divided up to 4 single core instances, or a mix (like 2, 1, 1). 200GB can be divided between the units, with a minimum of 50GB per CPU instance. Again, I pay nothing for this.
It's exactly the sort of thing which runs websites very well, and saves me a considerable amount of money. It's also a fantastic backup mechanism, should a website need to have backup infrastructure; throw in letsencrypt.org, and you have a very nice set of free SSL certs as well.

@Fore, I think you'll enjoy having access to that.

I've been thinking if the lockdown goes on until the idea of Christmas under effective house arrest, the place will go apocalyptic. Else a lot of people are going to hang themselves... personally, I am aware that rather a lot of people are committing suicide per week, this is via direct contacts I know who dealt with these people. Relationship breakups, and some of these were long-term, are running at almost 10% at my workplace alone, just for this lockdown; thankfully, none of the staff have topped themselves, but our "clients" are having problems with friends or relatives doing such.

Watching a surprising amount of Youtube material right now, there seems to be way more quality interviews and analysis than ever before on the UFO topic. Some are also looking into consciousness, and they are interviewing people who have encountered things, which is providing some rather interesting insights into the long-term psychological effects. I also noted the equivalent of AA, or Alien Abduction Anonymous... those poor people are going to be eaten alive later, and it seems to be thick with non-experiencers looking for attention. The fun thing, though, was the people who had actually run into something were active enough I picked up on them right away, which has also expanded my library of connections and other targets of interest. I'm bracing myself to investigate a Mantis, but those are "dangerous", although it seems to have done a cursory look back when I auto-linked from its own Human contact. I must say, it had very gentle and exacting field control, which fits some of the info about their high-end abilities.

pontificator
10-12-2021, 12:12 PM
Enjoy, rather a lot of interesting details regarding the GIMBAL/NIMITZ incident, not usually discussed, in debrief format:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb7eqnuxWM

epo333
10-13-2021, 01:25 PM
This seems the best place to put this . . . Most everyone is familiar with George Knapp. Here he interviews Dr. James Lacatski, and Dr. Colm Kelleher about a new book.

My big take away from this interview is from 7:50 to 13:05.

I'll be interested comments on that, if any!


A new book called Skinwalkers at the Pentagon tells the inside story of a secret government UFO program from the men who ran it. Exclusive interview with Dr. James Lacatski and Dr. Colm Kelleher.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stk55XpAYTI&t=785s

Sansanoy
10-13-2021, 03:54 PM
A single sensor monitoring UAP and it's been there a along. Very interesting. (short) Not sure why he is so cryptic about "where to put it" I can't imagine there could be anywhere to put it but space such that you could have 1 sensor. That is, unless, there is some local condition created in the atmosphere by UAP's which could be detected. It's either in the atmosphere or above it, that about ends the places you could put a single sensor that could monitor an entire nation. There is also the component about coordination with other sensors. If it is indeed a satellite, why would it need to coordinate with other data...wouldn't the satellite cover it all? Though if it is some "atmospheric compass" for lack of a better word, it would give direction, but would need additional data collection from units in proximity to provide further detail.


https://youtu.be/X6apgIYCNDI?t=31
This channel is worth subbing too if you haven't. They just started but they are doing some quality work.

epo333
10-13-2021, 08:40 PM
A single sensor monitoring UAP and it's been there a along. Very interesting. (short) Not sure why he is so cryptic about "where to put it" I can't imagine there could be anywhere to put it but space such that you could have 1 sensor. That is, unless, there is some local condition created in the atmosphere by UAP's which could be detected. It's either in the atmosphere or above it, that about ends the places you could put a single sensor that could monitor an entire nation. There is also the component about coordination with other sensors. If it is indeed a satellite, why would it need to coordinate with other data...wouldn't the satellite cover it all? Though if it is some "atmospheric compass" for lack of a better word, it would give direction, but would need additional data collection from units in proximity to provide further detail.


https://youtu.be/X6apgIYCNDI?t=31
This channel is worth subbing too if you haven't. They just started but they are doing some quality work.

Two possibilities come to mind:

1) Some type of ground based advanced sensor, picking up on a specific property of all UAPs. (Over the Horizon type of thing)

or

2) A sensor monitoring the Sun's reactions to some aspect of UAP's existence . . .

JMHO!

Shere Khaan
10-14-2021, 09:30 AM
If the UAP create electromagnetic pertubations you might be able to detect them in the electricity grid. Maybe the coordinating is about monitoring individual local anomalies separate from grid anomalies. That doesn't help with high altitude though.

Garuda
10-14-2021, 12:02 PM
A single sensor monitoring UAP and it's been there a along. Very interesting. (short) Not sure why he is so cryptic about "where to put it" I can't imagine there could be anywhere to put it but space such that you could have 1 sensor. That is, unless, there is some local condition created in the atmosphere by UAP's which could be detected. It's either in the atmosphere or above it, that about ends the places you could put a single sensor that could monitor an entire nation. There is also the component about coordination with other sensors. If it is indeed a satellite, why would it need to coordinate with other data...wouldn't the satellite cover it all? Though if it is some "atmospheric compass" for lack of a better word, it would give direction, but would need additional data collection from units in proximity to provide further detail.


https://youtu.be/X6apgIYCNDI?t=31
This channel is worth subbing too if you haven't. They just started but they are doing some quality work.

Let me add my 2c here.

There have been stories for a few decades that the US has technology that can detect disruptions in the spacetime continuum, things like antigravity, superluminal torsion fields, etc.

The 'where to put it' MAY apply to: if you put them on Earth, the sensing ability is limited fairly locally for objects close to the surface, but your chances are better for detecting items in orbit. If you put the sensors in orbit, you can monitor what's going on on Earth, but you don't observe what's behind you or coming in. The technology is such that it can't do both simultaneously.

pontificator
10-17-2021, 12:23 PM
From the chat channel of "The Reality of Remote Viewing", Which the Witness Citizen Youtube channel had yesterday: [/COLOR] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fOx3BgI90
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For those who don't want to click the large-size image, quoting the text:
"Coin Exchange​@Witness Citizen You can "mark" a targets "influence field" with a handshake...such as at a party...& access their field and cognitive data later on. As long as the "mark" remains you can gain access."

I honestly wasn't expecting to come across another person using the terminology. Two possibilities, they have educated themselves using local material from here and the OMF, or they have been trained by a third-party using the terminology (could be "ET" or HUMINT.)
Posting before I've seen the whole thing though, was just surprised to see it pop up.

pontificator
10-18-2021, 11:51 AM
Looks like it'll be at least 2 more weeks in level 3 lockdown in NZ. I note that some lots have really lost the plot, so there's ever growing resistance to the lockdown measures. The irony is, it's those very people who are allowing it to spread, due to them ignoring the movement restrictions.
Hopefully I'll be able to have Christmas with family, but at this rate I'm not 100% sure if they could keep it locked down that hard.

My research of the online Youtube channels continues apace, as well as the ongoing mission to identify suitable individuals for information dissemination. I have noted a very odd thing, and that is the majority of the "experiencers" interviewed are not active, or at least I can detect nothing from them (Using Lines of Association [LoA]). I've had far more luck with identifying people via chat handles and avatars, who are easy to point in the right direction. I must admit, they're like people dying of thirst, the moment they start reading the thread it's like they've been hit by a thunderbolt; so, Fore, the discernment factor which signals to an individual "this is true/real" seems to be common to a certain subset of the population. I'm taking a forearmed is forewarned approach; terrible pun.

I can assure people, these people, in general, are going to be eaten alive by the phenomena when it pops up. I notice there is a very distinct narrative popping up from more official govt channels, aside from the demonic angle, which seems to back the "they try to help us, humanity must stop destroying the earth etc." The generative hypothesis has also appeared, which is where each "ET" species/race is from the earth, at various times or from different dimensions. The idea being that the earth itself acts as a sentient lifeform generator, and as each group leaves the earth, eventually a new group is generated to join the old ones.

Other aspects also pop up, like Humanity was manufactured from a preexisting lifeform from earth, and then sent back to develop; to summarise the material. I remember Fore's Advisor had a similar story, where a preexisting facility on the moon was used for the process.
Based on everything I'm seeing, none of the ideas above are mutually exclusive, and form parts of a greater narrative. Given this is not too outlandish, I can see this being believed by a great many people (essentially forming the nucleus of the "Grand Deception".)

That "ET" telepathic network is certainly on the go, I seeded info about that along with the operational boundaries of areas of the earth and negotiation procedures in the right places, which should spread pretty quickly to various researchers; if they don't already know.
Running into a fair quantity of interesting new signatures along the way, noticed the first one where it looked back and it didn't know what to do; pretty much "what the hell is this thing".

Be aware I'm running against the clock, I don't think there's much time before things really get going; this is a certain awareness I have going, and it's from a perceptual layer which is rarely wrong.

Keep an eye on the China and Taiwan issue, I suspect that will go boom pretty soon [all Chinese independent media has been effectively shut down recently, after an 11 year run], and I doubt anyone will expect the subsequent nuclear exchange between the USA and China to go the way it does. However, there are other factors at play there, so it might not quite go that far depending on which assets the states deploys; if they deploy it in time there might not even be an "ET" intervention, but that is assuming it is not tampered with.

pontificator
10-18-2021, 10:05 PM
This basically got rescheduled to be on now; I'm in chat, throwing in the occasional sensitive topic for my own amusement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFxkXZ0cvgo

Lue has not arrived just yet.

calikid
10-18-2021, 11:38 PM
This basically got rescheduled to be on now; I'm in chat, throwing in the occasional sensitive topic for my own amusement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFxkXZ0cvgo

Lue has not arrived just yet.


@Pont
I jumped in about the 50min mark.
Didn't hear much new.
Was the first part more informative?

epo333
10-19-2021, 02:19 AM
This basically got rescheduled to be on now; I'm in chat, throwing in the occasional sensitive topic for my own amusement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFxkXZ0cvgo

Lue has not arrived just yet.

Just viewed the link.

Quite a bit to take away from there if one listens carefully . . .:cool:

pontificator
10-19-2021, 02:44 AM
@Pont
I jumped in about the 50min mark.
Didn't hear much new.
Was the first part more informative?

First 50 minutes were not hugely informative, as there were some delays before Lue was on, and there was also more discussion about his background and general life things; well worth watching, though, it gives more insights into him as a person.

There's this "in passing" thing that goes on with Lue, where he'll mention something, or an aspect of something, which he's not mentioned or confirmed before. One aspect that did pop up was the nature of the environment in which the UFO/UAP is operating.
So, couple of things, the environment in which the craft is operating is a vacuum. This then leads to another point, which is it is not a UFO, as it is not flying... now, that is semantics, but it would also affect a great deal when a person is hunting through archives etc for info.
Knock-on effect of operating in a vacuum is this, can't be ionic propulsion, in turn that environmental bubble will be highly insulating, which suggests the heat build-up is mainly in the envelope of the bubble surrounding it. This adjusts the model of how these systems dump that heat into a more onion-like affair, where a reduction in the surface-area of the bubble essentially expels energy in waves outwards (this does match observations in some cases.) It does, however, not exclude ionic propulsion entirely, as the UAP has to be able to operate without the bubble in place. Somewhere on it will be a system which expels matter, in order to allow rotation and repositioning in the bubble.

Alternatively, the vacuum is a misassumption on the part of Lue's team, and the movement within the bubble is simply a side-effect of the craft being at the centre of the gravity well. I also noted another potential misassumption, regarding how-much time-difference there is between the interior and exterior of the bubble; this is an adjustable factor. Having said all that, I don't know if they had access to the actual equipment, and his is a fully informed observation of the Gimbal and other craft.

Edit: I should mention is is also quite possible there is an internal gyroscope involved, most spacecraft use these for rotation on the spot; in fact, I'd be surprised if something so simple and primitive were overlooked, unless they have a substitute.

pontificator
10-19-2021, 10:12 PM
For those of you wanting something concrete:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSNX3aWs-_o

Meanwhile... I'm revisiting Terrahawks, and a pile of stuff I didn't see/finish as a child in the 80's. I mean, I can't go anywhere, and some of it is quite amusing. The Gerry Anderson series are always good fun: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgnzMjXs7xKfxSXgvW1VBEA

pontificator
10-20-2021, 06:52 AM
The comment thread was rather interesting after I threw this question in at 47:48 [live comments tend to appear 24hrs later, but it threw a few people who realised they'd not even considered the implications of the ongoing UAP confirmations]:

https://youtu.be/J-nanulA7tg?t=2870

@Fore, it also appears another member of a similar program to your own popped up there, shares same elements. Looking at the time-frame, I suspect that there was a wide-spread program to bring back a considerable amount of people to the late 1970 and early 1980 timeframe, probably part of an evac from a failed timeline.
I reckon we'll probably do the loop quite a few times until the right outcome appears; I mean, how would we count it unless we ask them? I doubt they'd give a sensible answer. However, also suggests positioning of assets to salvage/prevent or rescue a bad situation.
Never was able to shake that feeling, despite the current situation, that I'm on "holiday." Might also explain why I feel tired and old... I mean, far more than I should, even when I was young.

Fore
10-20-2021, 08:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46DYXDznvY

Fore
10-20-2021, 09:41 PM
A partial (incomplete) drawing of the "ET Support Center" as seen from the rear.
Drawing made by AbducteeJounal:
https://gab.com/abducteejournal

https://i.imgur.com/7sQ1FvR.jpg

The cylinder is a "Mothership" parked inside one of the 2 bays. She and I estimate the length of the mothership is maybe about 1.2 miles with perhaps 20 floors or so.

Note: The foldable/extendable "gantry" isn't drawn yet in the picture. It would be attached near the center gap of the two openings. It would fold down alongside the back.

pontificator
10-21-2021, 02:42 AM
I am now reading through that thread, it's going to take a fair while. BTW, video is unavailable as set to private, is that the AMA with Kurt and Lue? Those live videos are set to private afterwards, and a new copy posted up with edits of extras and better sound the next day.

Fore
10-21-2021, 05:28 AM
I am now reading through that thread, it's going to take a fair while. BTW, video is unavailable as set to private, is that the AMA with Kurt and Lue? Those live videos are set to private afterwards, and a new copy posted up with edits of extras and better sound the next day.

Yep, I just realized that. It was a very good AMA.

pontificator
10-21-2021, 11:31 AM
I missed the original AMA due to work, and watched another shorter live feed over at Witness Citizen instead because it was shorter, so I'll be onto this as soon as I can.
It's going to be a bit of a problem with live chat etc, I've been taking advantage of work from home at level 3, but looks like I'm going to have to go in (Alongside "planned" power outages, which have necessitated me being onsite to shut things down and bring them back up at weird times.)
Been thinking to myself, if I actually won the lottery, I bet it would be the day before the Apocalypse... just, because, you know, someone would find it funny.
This should be the permanent link, live in about 9 hours from this message:

Luis Elizondo on Biological UFO Samples, Remote Viewing, and explaining "Somber" #UFOamnesty (https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/ufoamnesty)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wULw64ZL1Bg

pontificator
10-22-2021, 12:04 PM
Well, I've been reading through: https://gab.com/abducteejournal
I'm noting a mix in terms of feedback on the details, so a reasonable amount is accurate, but I suspect a bit of rock eaters is mixed in (Fore will get the allusion.)
However, let's have a closer look at the medical instruments:
1777

Now, here's the thing, I'm pretty sure that 3, 4 and 5 would be found as part of every kit, while 1 and 2 would be specific to the set for the procedure.

Why am I bringing this particular image up?

Well, look at instrument 5, it leaves behind a wound that exists post-abduction, according to the witness. The thing is this, I've very familiar with that needle configuration, because I had exactly the same wound pattern on my leg the next day following the encounter with the glowing orange being (or the "Penultimate Human Form"/"Pinnacle of Human Evolution" as it called itself when I asked "what are you?"...)
This particular instrument leaves a triangular set of procedure marks, spaced about 3 to 5mm apart (it has been quite a few years, check my old descriptions for a more accurate distance assessment). Judging from the configuration, and the depth of each of the holes (about 4 mm deep, 2mm diameter), which were healing pretty rapidly as they were gone/healed when I checked later in the day (with the exception of a small scab where there was bleeding, as it interacted with one hair), I would say the instrument is held against the area it is being used on, and the needles go to whatever depth they extend to.
The holes and depth were ultra-odd, I could look right down into them, and see the non-bleeding flesh around the interior of the shaft. At the bottom of each hole the surface flesh was visible (!) but distorted as though it were like a miniature belly button (essentially the instrument punched the surface skin layer down, and pushed down through it in another fashion, maybe at the influence level, creating the odd effect.)
I cannot say what the instrument actually does, other than the after-effects of its use. I would, however, make the following speculation:
1) During that year I had been injured after being hit by a car (I was hit while crossing a zebra crossing. The car was stopped at the crossing. They accelerated into me, carried me on the bonnet, and I ended up being flung onto the road when they came to a sudden stop. This resulted in injuries to my back, and the interior nerves of my elbows, as well as complications regarding circulation in the left forearm.) It is possible that I was taken to medical to address issues which arose from that, but that suggests a 6 monthly checking cycle.
2) In the same year I encountered a murder site, and unfortunately discovered I had psychometric capabilities, which led to a highly unpleasant physical playback of being stabbed, and then the thoughts of the victim as they sought help before expiring. This could be considered an influence level injury, requiring specialist care.
3) Later in the same year I discovered Fore's thread, and did a serious deep dive into he material. It's pretty certain that my abilities really developed fast, as my field started developing, and I noted various PSI related phenomena. 1 and 2 could therefore be unrelated, and I simply underwent standard assessment and "tagging".
4) Ultra speculation: After being taken aboard the vessel, I came to, naked, and decided it'd be a great idea to stab myself in the leg so that I would have evidence that something happened; because I would know that memories are normally wiped, and needed the reminder that more than just meeting the entity happened.
5) Ultra speculation: After being taken aboard the vessel, I came to, naked, during some diabolically horrible procedure. After attempting to escape, with my organs dragging behind me, one of the Greys stabbed me in the leg in desperation to render me unconscious.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I know what it can do in terms of physical marking. Not sure what it actually does, but it would work well for drug delivery. I certainly speculate it's a real instrument, due to the needle configuration and the description of what it can do in terms of leaving marks. I speculate it is a commonly used instrument, as I doubt they were using a gynaecological kit on me... well, not unless they were doing ultra strange things.

Edit: Something/someone was ultra pissed when I was writing this, plus interacting intensely with my field. I was even subjected to the reasonable I don't need to write about this, or I shouldn't, as though it is my internal voice. Right this very moment, it's trying that on again, and intensifying it more and more. Well.... it ain't going to win, I wised up to that.

lycaeus
10-23-2021, 01:52 AM
I cannot say what the instrument actually does, other than the after-effects of its use. I would, however, make the following speculation:

I've experienced this specific triangle dot mark from this tool like many other abductees have. Twice on my hip, and another time my room mate was abducted with me and he got it on his leg. I had a psychic try to give me answers on it, and she got an impression about it when she tuned into it. She said it seemed to be like an electrical discharge going out into the body and coming back to the device, like a kind of reading or scan of some type. The 3 dot marks would itch and burn a bit according to my friend who got it on his leg, but it didn't itch much the two times I saw it on my hip. I actually posted a pic of it here on this forum about ten years ago I think, and it might have been you pontif that responded thinking it was probably humans because it seemed like rough handling to mark like that. But after reading abducteejournal's detailed posts and pics on Gab, and seeing the pic of that hand tool, I'm convinced its from the nonhumans and hybrids she encounters and draws. I'm not convinced they're aliens, but seem to be like cyborgs, modified human experiments in attempt to merge people with AI. And the agenda appears to be moving along. Whatever they are, they're real, and its not fantasy.

pontificator
10-23-2021, 03:12 AM
I realised I'd have to check almost 700+ of your posts to find the image too ;) Do you by any chance have a copy you could upload here again?
Just thinking back on it, I'd mention rough handling when there is more damage than required (extensive or intense spot bruising, holes that are really large, or holes that don't heal up at high-speed [comparatively to normal healing rates].)
So, from my perspective, the handling is not rough if the results have surgical precision and heal very quickly; I mean, this tech is advanced, and the handler would really have to botch the job, be highly unskilled, or purposely injure to produce poor results.

There's another consideration, we don't know what that settings wheel does. It might adjust the scan type, and perhaps the degree of depth and size. It'll be presets though, and from the diagram around 16 and well below 30. If it is a 4 parameter device 4x4 for 16 settings makes sense (size, depth, type, output energy and I'm only assuming 2 variants for each).

lycaeus
10-23-2021, 03:42 AM
I realised I'd have to check almost 700+ of your posts to find the image too ;) Do you by any chance have a copy you could upload here again?
Just thinking back on it, I'd mention rough handling when there is more damage than required (extensive or intense spot bruising, holes that are really large, or holes that don't heal up at high-speed [comparatively to normal healing rates].)
So, from my perspective, the handling is not rough if the results have surgical precision and heal very quickly; I mean, this tech is advanced, and the handler would really have to botch the job, be highly unskilled, or purposely injure to produce poor results.

There's another consideration, we don't know what that settings wheel does. It might adjust the scan type, and perhaps the degree of depth and size. It'll be presets though, and from the diagram around 16 and well below 30. If it is a 4 parameter device 4x4 for 16 settings makes sense (size, depth, type, output energy and I'm only assuming 2 variants for each).

The pic I uploaded is a close up of 3 very tiny bruises and it did look kind of rough due to the blurriness of the poor quality camera phone I had. I'm unable to post pics here as it says I've reached my limit when I try to click upload. I can email them though, I will message you. I forgot another instance where I got a picture, my ex girlfriend got a similar mark on her shoulder. The 3 dots were white, and her triangle mark was bigger than I've seen before.

pontificator
10-24-2021, 12:15 AM
This rather interesting document, where blackout was forgotten, popped up: https://www.nsa.gov/portals/75/documents/news-features/declassified-documents/ufo/ufo_ic_blind_spot.pdf
From Witness Citizen while I was watching it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAGh3m8r-KU

pontificator
10-25-2021, 11:04 AM
Strategically, I wonder if the Chinese will choose not to address the problem, as it would be advantageous to their own goods and Military, while being deleterious to worldwide militaries in the event of war; which can't be that far off, really.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/chinese-magnesium-shortage-global-car-industry-to-grind-to-a-halt-within-weeks-amid-catastrophic-halt/M3DR3QXI6KLWAFOAR5TCO26SNQ/

While the above is indeed a resource shortage, I must admit that one caught me completely off-guard, it's not exactly been that well covered. I can't imagine things will be good in the states for that either, but I'm not 100% on the strategic resource production systems still operating in the USA.

@lycaeus, I've been looking through the photos. Some of the work appears to have been done properly, which is why the healing seems to be reasonable, whereas the other examples look like sloppy work (I suspect hair caused problems due to follicle ingress.) One thing to keep in mind, I suspect abductees are given various treatments to ensure there are no allergic reactions. Your friend and yourself might not have received a correct dose [likely different teams dealing with males and females + maybe your team was having a bad day, or the Greys concerned are faulty]. Reason I bring that up, is most of my general allergies disappeared after the first encounter. I'd be interested if similar happened to you? (I'm thinking of things like hayfever, some skin allergies etc.)

You might find this really interesting, one photo is of what happens when a person is injected using a syringe, unwillingly. Note the bruising, especially the spread, and also that this is standard earth tech: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/shocking-clip-shows-worrying-spiking-injection-epidemic-sweeping-uk/PFFS5X2DKKAVWTVE5HVQPLUOKQ/
ET devices seem to produce highly local bruising to the site, which suggests a slightly different mechanism of operation; I'm thinking the compressing/pushing of material down, rather than slicing and pushing it physically aside.

I also sometimes wonder about ET hygiene practices... Ahhhh, serious risk of COVID19 spread due to alien abduction with their poor medical practices, random strains and infections turning up all over the place in abductees; see what I did there?

pontificator
10-30-2021, 03:50 AM
Well, it's certainly and interesting time when News channels are still covering the topic outside of the 30 day window, and without laughing or making fun of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXOVIf4inkU&amp;ab_channel=thomasfessler

EPO333 has also brought up information on the attack subs receiving their payloads, over in the predictions thread.

I was certainly a bit off in terms of placing where we are on the timeline some time back, I'm specifically looking for 2 things:
1) A president who is the last president; possibly a less than 1 year term.
2) A war resulting from contractual obligations; this could be economic, but it's supposed to go hot; as in launched nukes hot, then the "aliens" intervene.

So, for all of the amazingness of Trump's appearance, he wasn't the one; unless he gets in again. Biden is still in his first term, and first year (good contender).
Right now, worldwide, I'm not sure anyone would argue there isn't economic war going on; or perhaps, we ain't seen nothing yet.
The situation with China is going from bad to worse, and they have economic problems at home. A normal way of rallying a restive population is to start a war and invoke nationalism, while blaming all the wrongs on your opponent.
Having been on the receiving end of that, living in such a war zone, I know full well how well it goes...

In keeping with tracking "possibilities" let's have a look at "when" things could start getting ultra bad:

So, I'm going to take the width of the Pacific as approx 9600 miles, based on a random Google answer (it's good enough +- some days.)
A random Google fact gives 35mph as "speculated top speed" for a nuclear submarine. We'll assume the subs concerned are running at wartime black speed and not public speed: 50mph.
192hrs = 8 days. Could be + 3 or 4 on the days. If the subs are going to theatre, and they don't need to be close, then given they left on the 28th they are probably a quarter of the way there.

Certainly not in the timeframe for an October surprise, perhaps a Halloween special, or "remember, remember the 5th of November". This is one of those weird times of year when strange things can happen with a bit more frequency than usual.
The subs can stay deployed for a fair while, but it also means that they are preparing for action within a period of months.

I'm in chat here, feed starts in ~10 minutes from this post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDxo5qUwQTo&amp;ab_channel=thomasfessler

pontificator
10-30-2021, 12:37 PM
X1 CME incoming: https://spaceweather.com/
These things are in the "bad day" category. Will have to make sure I leave a lot of things off.

Note: I have ongoing concerns that a flare of doom will strike the earth and kill off a pile of electronics worldwide, or on the part of Earth facing it at the time.
About 6 hours until where I am faces into the light, so might hit Europe/Africa harder; although pretty much everywhere important around them would get a lick of it.
I took a backup of this thread just in case, as I had a hunch...

epo333
10-30-2021, 02:34 PM
A bit of an up-date on the CME . . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEoWyrdBL0&t=237s

calikid
10-30-2021, 04:55 PM
X1 CME incoming: https://spaceweather.com/
These things are in the "bad day" category. Will have to make sure I leave a lot of things off.

Note: I have ongoing concerns that a flare of doom will strike the earth and kill off a pile of electronics worldwide, or on the part of Earth facing it at the time.
About 6 hours until where I am faces into the light, so might hit Europe/Africa harder; although pretty much everywhere important around them would get a lick of it.
I took a backup of this thread just in case, as I had a hunch...

Don't know that surface electronics will take a big hit.
Lived through a CME back in the late 1990s (Maybe '96?), working in the engineering department at NBC TV Network.
The BIG hit was to the satellites (birds as we called them), as I recall a few were killed dead.
Preemptively; some birds were powered down before being impacted. Attempts were then made post-impact to restart.
This was tough, because a lot of our programming/news was fed to California from the East coast via satellite links (several massive 15 foot dishes were installed right outside my office).
I also recall that many people were upset their pagers went off line.
It was disruptive, however all but the most direct CME impacts (BULLSEYE Earth) are greatly reduced by the Earth's magnetosphere. THAT would be a bad day for any unshielded electronics.

I recall talking with a Professor at the time (research for the newsroom), wondering why it took a few days to reach earth when lightspeed was so much quicker (a few minutes). He explained that while the CME was traveling at a relatively high rate of speed, it was composed of actual material/had mass, NOT just photons.

pontificator
11-01-2021, 07:44 AM
@Fore, would I be right in thinking that this guy is able to perceive the influence ingress of objects/entities within the influence layer itself, or phased?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnjhuWOyq_I

I'm well aware of what raw influence looks like when it's concentrated enough around an entity for it to manifest, and given the glowing properties I can't help but wonder if a lot of these orbs (in general) are because of it. (I am, for one thing, not sure what lifeforms might natively live in the influence layer; perhaps the equivalent of some kind of insect.)

The description of objects appearing certainly fell into the raw influence manifestation category, where a phased object with high output (creating the orb) then moves back into normal space. Hmmm, thinking on it, I'd perceive that with my weird touch/texture-based non-sight as a nebulous fuzzy form, perhaps if I was operating a bit higher I'd be able to perceive (as literally feeling it in its entirety) the object creating the effect.

pontificator
11-02-2021, 09:42 AM
Happy reading (Pages 16 and 17 especially): https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/NAAMedia/ViewPDF.aspx?B=30030606&D=D
Other titles you can look for: https://archive.org/stream/AustralianUFOFiles/0%20-%20foia%20australia%20national%20archives%20file%2 0numbers%20notes_djvu.txt

This is in reference to what is happening in the video below, and explains the Australian and UK stance as being a matter of policy rather than being purely a dismissive attitude.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYZrcScdYMU

Fore
11-04-2021, 08:35 PM
@pontificator
By the way, sorry for the low activity on my part. I've just been very busy lately and dealing with problems.

I've been paying attention to what you've been doing and may I say...you sure are bold.

@Montalk

I saw your posts and your trouble with your webhost. Nice quick response on your part. Very quick on your feet.

pontificator
11-10-2021, 06:40 AM
@Fore, It would appear it's attracting more attention of the "ET" kind as well, or at least someone is looking in far more intensely than usual right now. They certainly don't like me describing their hygiene issues.
Depending on how things go with various bits of equipment I might graduate to audio interviews. I'll need to manufacture a "visual persona" similar to Anonymous if I do video interviews, but still gathering materials; it's got to be distinct, with some class, and mysterious [it's got to be fun after all, and "ET" are very big on quite "artistically impoverished" pretend visuals.]

As it is, I note a dire lack of critical thinking surrounding the "abilities" and operations of "ET", the craft are generally what people focus on at the moment, which seems more acceptable. I'm far more about the Nuts and Bolts of the Entities, not so much their supposed message.

pontificator
11-10-2021, 08:46 AM
Forget to add, my psychometry is now working when I touch anything someone has touched. However, it's quite useless, it only shows the body part which came in contact with the object to a certain radius; about 20 cm orb displaying area "seen" by the object, does not perceive through skin of subject, does not record clothing or objects. It's like seeing something in the dark, except the edges softly fade into darkness, and the luminosity is as normal daylight.

No idea if it shows covered tattoos, the ink might not be recorded like worn objects. Might have to check that.

*mutters* Blasted useless stuff developing again... it's never anything quality, like being able to read documents with 20/20 vision in a secret vault.

pontificator
11-12-2021, 08:38 AM
Spotted a problem finding a file. Found my old account while looking for said file, and then spotted that a particular part described had since been screened in me with a different memory; it came back to me pretty quickly, and references an event which has yet to happen, or the nature of the place the entity took me. Given I am aware this happened, I thought now was an excellent time to give whoever took that memory away a big middle finger (boy, it didn't like that.)


For you reading pleasure, with extensive extra notes and info:
<Telepathic Layer 1> - General audio telepathy, first intonation of language.
<Telepathic Layer 2> - General audio telepathy, second intonation of language, acts as clarifying language for Telepathy layer 1, almost simultaneous.
<Telepathic Layer 3> - Emotion telepathy, communicates what the other is feeling, or also perhaps what they want you to feel.
<Telepathic Layer 4> - Intuition, non-audio, a knowledge layer communicating clarification, communicating ambient knowledge. Possible blocks of knowledge system.
<Internal Segrigated System> - Emotion, internal voice, non-external-entity-perceptable thinking.
[] - Indicating additional information, later clarification.


The story has been told before in the thread, but to put it more succinctly in a scientific testing manner:


Placement is on back, looking straight up, conditions at time were darkness with very low-level filtered light from left side.
[My bed was placed in that room such that the left side was against the wall with a window. The head of the bed was towards the left wall, as you enter the room, which was a relatively boxy affair. The window is approximately 1.5 meters above the floor, inset into the wall, and has a standard rail arrangement for vertical blinds. The light filtered through the gaps of these blinds, illuminating anything appearing with vertical bars of light, and also providing ambient light in general. A surface close to me would effectively appear to have horizontal lines of light across it, given the way light falls across it.]


1) See top of grey head with eyes looking over me [ light appears in horizontal stripes against it, highlighting contours, estimate top 33% of head ]. Because the head is upside down from my perspective and only half-visible, I am momentarily confused as to what I am looking at. Personally have emotion of excitement, nothing from grey. {The head was not steady, same degree of moment as if someone were hovering over you casually.}


2) First thought, oh, subconsciously make sure I am not about to attack, and tell myself to calm down [I use my first name when doing this].


3) [Grey reacts as if something unpleasant has sprayed in it's face, annoyed looking frown appears around the top of it's eyes, no apparent eyelids and frown does not push skin down and over any portion of the eye.] Grey moves out of field of vision, towards behind me, and slightly left in terms of movement [ further behind me, may have stood up {actually, probable}]. 1 Second. [I wait, doing nothing.]


4) First name is said telepathically {Telepathic layer 1}, voice is male, artificial, no resonance, no breathing, pure intonation [definitely not recreatable in spoken form, am certain is not recreatable using sound producing apparatus].


5) I wait, pause of 1.5 seconds, telepathically told "I am Here" {Telepathic layer 1}, directional feeling implied {Telepathic layer 4}.


6) Turn head to right. Subtle white/orange glow as being lights up. Whips of still smoke visible. Breathing rib-cage visible, not muscular. Arms visible above elbow, not muscular. Experience immense puzzlement when I see the face, cycle memories to determine no known previous combination, beings form is unexpected. Subconscious non-verbal thought of what the hell is that {Internal segregated system}.


7)Being has very round black orbs as eyes [1.5cm at best], distinct notch noted at ridge line of each eye [centre], head appears proportional, not viewable from waist down, has two arms, finger count and hands not viewable. [The face is badly obscured around the jaw due to influence output creating too much still smoke. It's clearly masking its face.]
Distance to being based on personal arm length, 1.2 meters, myopic eyesight capable of 30cm range before minor fuzz begins.


9) Orange glow of being started and increased to maximum during turn, 0.5 seconds estimate, glow has elements of consistent bio-plasma effect [the influence output is quite high, causing the physical manifestation of "still" whips of smoke hugging close to its body]. Nearest equivalent is muted glow-stick. Usage of Orange to human eyesight does not cause discomfort or loss of night-vision effects.


9) Being induces feeling of overwhelming honour as emotion {via Telepathy layer 3}. Being unfamiliar with this emotion I do not know how to react to it {Telepathic layer 4 clarifies emotion is "honour" when I puzzle what it is supposed to be within internal segregated system, this is almost instantaneous}. Internally I am still excited, come to logical conclusion that being is inducing feeling {Internal segregated system}, feel electrical discharge [ minor ] in right hemisphere of brain [centre, back a bit] that confirms suspicion [ I have run an internal test ].


10) To confirm it is not an hallucination, I gently reach out and hold its upper arm very gently. [The temperature of the arm is tepid. The resistance is relatively solid, like a vegetable. The surface feels mottled like an orange, or the fruit called the "Buddhas Hand." The is no apparent fat layer and the skin is not independent of the layer beneath.]


11) {Internal segregated system, determine a question to ask, dismiss asking name[/who are you] as they don't use them, settle on something original, and more per tenant.} Ask question "what are you?". 0.3 seconds beings head looks up 3cm [ based on jaw line, it is now effectively looking down at me based on new head position], slight adjustment of pose. [Now, two possibilities there, it was offended, or it had not noted my myopia would prevent me from recognising the assumed persona it was trying to portray. I did have a slight impression is was looking at something above me for clarification.]


12) Telepathic response, two possible interpretations run simultaneously "I am the penultimate human form"{Telepathy layer 1}/"I am the pinnacle of human evolution"{Telepathy layer 2} : Implication is that there is a set of missing words in the English language that would adequately convey this {Telepathy layer 4}. [Note the "I am" of the second layer came so soon, and was the same as layer one, that the communication effectively branched from one to two layers.]


13) 0.3 seconds Personal emotion shifts to kinship {me to it via Telepathy Layer 3}:I quite like the being:Emotion of honour still present. Agreement from the being {Telepathy layer 3, it matches the emotion} [The kinship conclusion came about from considering the answer from the point of view of the entities known as beholder kin in the AD&D 2nd Ed Monstrous Manual, which seemed to be the nearest concept to what this being was in terms of makeup. {Internal segregated layer}]


14) Quickly ask question "and the greys?": It should be noted I had a non-emotional intuitive feeling of "speed required, time is running out" before asking this question {Telepathic/intuition layer 4 in effect}. [The synchronicity produced by the agreement of kinship effectively allowed it to gain control of the situation, as I was no-longer in an excited state, and it could then determine my influence pattern via brain-state polling and therefore make changes to me on the fly.]


15) Being answered in multiple streams of emotion and telepathy:
Unknown feeling on subject, followed by disappointment towards them {Telepathy layer 3}. [I'm pretty sure Telepathy Layer 4 suggested it was disappointed it was not being asked more about itself. Perhaps it liked being the centre of attention or was vain?]
"They are biological robots"{Telepathy layer 1}/"They are Biological machines"{Telepathy layer 2}/"limited to purpose"{Telepathy, As emotion layer, layer 3} [ usage of all statements simultaneously implies lack of words in English language, I note it did not use layer 4 to communicate actual knowledge ].


16) Immediate shift to REM on completion of statement [unconsciousness in my definition, therefore knock-out], definitely fulfilled parameters of REM sleep.
<cont>

pontificator
11-12-2021, 08:38 AM
<cont>


17) Parameters of REM sleep cover flowing random subject areas: [This happens with each encounter I have with a being where I start fully conscious, I get three higher-mind interpreted visions of future events, about a decade or so out for each. The being was in the same position for each vision, as I was both in its control, still seeing it, and also experiencing the visions simultaneously.]
Father frantically looking for information in a magazine of indeterminate type, circling areas of letters as if in quest for information that is not there. Obvious implication of madness/obsession. {Future event connected to my older self 10 years later [I can see why I thought it was my father], frantically trying to avert financial disaster, and dealing with seriously crappy information.}
The Being standing with my parents, have eye contact with being, indeterminate background. [Purple tree behind them, right of centre. Rest of trees are white/grey, as though petrified. My parents are dressed in posh clothing, appearing affluent.] {Future event connected to my parents moving location 9 years later, there was a dead tree in the middle of the forest on their property. They did very well financially from the sale of their prior property.}
Being standing in tunnel, have eye contact, walls are metallic, pipes run up and down them, 7 plus in total, pipes bulge and flex by up to 20cm as matter passes down them. Predominant white light, source is from end of tunnel, 75 depth coverage to my viewpoint. {Likely occurred at the time, but could be possible future interpreted event.} [While updating this at 23:40 on 11/11/2021, New Zealand Time, tone goes off on right, medium intensity, as I'd completely forgotten the details of vision 3. This brought it back, and therefore the attention of the being monitoring me.] [Note, my painted image of the being seems to be gone from all machines, still trying to determine what happened. Found this account when looking for image, and decided to clarify and update it. I find it is easy to think subtle details are not important, so I'm including everything.]


18) Shift to black.


19) wake up, mind blown, excited, happy.


20) 2nd day later notice triangular arrangement of marks on left thigh, feel absolute apathy/pointlessness when thinking about taking photo.


Note: 12/11/2021: I actually went into Auckland city today, to meet with a friend and collect a pile of books, the city is rather dead in a way, like it is in the throes of its last days and the people are unaware of what is to come. There was even someone proclaiming doom to all those who had had the vaccine, and they would all die; that made my day, really, hardly ever see a proper doom merchant. The influence effect I detect has extended much further out from the city than normal, by what must be 30 kilometres, there is also a secondary epicentre, which has it's own properties; it is similar to an intermittent swirling breeze blowing against my external influence aware structures. Given this happened in only a couple of months, I'm a bit worried it'll reach my home by January; unless it stops before then. I am working at speed to ensure I have various equipment, with an assumption of no power, and that there will be none to come later.

dreamoftheiris
11-16-2021, 05:34 AM
Spotted a problem finding a file. Found my old account while looking for said file, and then spotted that a particular part described had since been screened in me with a different memory; it came back to me pretty quickly, and references an event which has yet to happen, or the nature of the place the entity took me. Given I am aware this happened, I thought now was an excellent time to give whoever took that memory away a big middle finger (boy, it didn't like that.)



I recall you speaking of this memory briefly on one of your past posts. Fascianting that you were able to dissect it more (unless this is a different memory then what you had posted before).

The one you posted about before invovled an entity attempting to convince you it was something important and then attempting to continue to do thsi even when it clearly wasn't working on you.


Had an interesting experience this past weekend. I visited Salem, Massachusetts and I've never experienced a place that made me sicker (energetically speaking). While the town is infamous for the exeuction of alledged witches, the town is now full of actual witches as well as various types of occultist, psychics, new age "aura readers", astrologers and the like. This huge concentration of psychic practioners, as well as the town's own negative history, has created an environment that I can only describe as a "dark vortex". As soon as I arrived in the town, myself and my girlfriend (a practicing wiccan) immediately felt this dark energy that the town was filled with.

For myself, I felt dizzy and completly discombabulated walking around. The worst experience was entering a new age shop that sold crytals and "aura readings". It was fascinating because when I walked in, I felt calmer but then quickly got very uncomfortable to the point I felt I was going to pass out. I have felt this way once before at a new age convention where I spent all of two mintues beore I had to leave due to how uncomfortable I felt being there.

Salem was even worse than that, though. It's like somehow all these psychics and occultist have amplfied the negative impression that the town's horrific past has had on the enviornment. In other words, while the town's past itself is enough to cause some bizzare happenigns like hauntings and such, the psychics have taken this to the next level and created a whole town that must act as some kind of portal.

I highly reccomend people check it out for scientific purposes.

pontificator
11-16-2021, 12:25 PM
Hi dreamoftheiris,

Yes, this particular copy I've added notes to is from about 2009, and you are correct in that it describes the situation I was talking about earlier; where it was getting things wrong. I usually refer to this incident, as it was by far the most spectacular of many; they basically have a better idea of how not to botch the job these days, so there is less to work with in subsequent events. For example, the "vet" worked out how to do the same visual trick correctly, but also applied an adjustment which effectively reduced my mental level to that of a child + made me think it was my mother.

It's rather creepy when you're reading a book, and look left to see that the Grey I call the vet [really, it's eye-white, but it has the body configuration of a grey] has just come through the wall, half-crouching the way they do, and is facing you with it's body semi-sideways to you, right of a bedside table with a red lamp atop it; curiously, I still have both.
First thing, I have that bolt of fear go through my chest and seize up, then the grey does the following.
It applies a facial mask using influence, and does it properly: It's eyes adjust to blue human-sized pupils, and the major "shape" details of my mother's face overlay its own, essentially it is a sketch in grey/black.
It then applies the mind takeover; this is easy to do, as I am in a fear state, which means my mind is easy to read and therefore manipulate.
The mind takeover consists of giving me a belief, and that warm fuzzy love you have towards a close relative.
The telepathic communication, "I'm your mummy", completes the picture and it has control. It then shuts down my consciousness for whatever it has planned.

"Mummy" is such an odd term, I'd never call her that, she is always "Mum". However, for a third party talking in the third-party sense, the term is correct, and is a clue which you can use as a trigger if you set up your internal systems correctly.

As regards Salem, it sounds most "exciting", but is essentially located in what I term as demon central. I also suspect there are rather a lot of "ET" in the states that would love to get their hands on me, without doing all the paperwork, and I'm not very keen on making things that easy for them.
None have taken the simpler path of knocking on my door, and sitting down with me for a cup of tea and a nice chat; clearly they have never been taught proper etiquette, further demonstrating their social barbarity and lack of civility...

I came across this new research regarding invisibility, of the practical kind, which I thought was exceptionally interesting:
https://www.freethink.com/science/invisibility

Sansanoy
11-17-2021, 05:44 PM
I saw another sphere last night. Several months ago I saw a hovering black sphere about the size of an orange, maybe larger. It was smokey gray, nearly solid, like a glass ball filled with smoke churning around. It disappeared, uniformly in place, from the outside in. Well last night I saw the opposite. As I lay in bed I began to turn to my left with my eyes closed and I saw a bright light through my eyelids, pure white like you might see in an LED. I opened them and quickly tracked the source. There was a small sphere, about the size of a baseball in the middle of my room. It was pure white, it was intense, and was beaming light directly at me like a flash light. The light was intense. You know how when you look at the sun and you see these puddles of intensity that are separate from the rest of the sun? I saw puddles of intense white light in it, just like the sun. It was still at first but a moment after I laid eyes on it, it arced up and over to the left about 3 feet and disappeared in size from the outside in as it was traveling. Anyone ever heard of that before? The next morning I felt really good, energetic, more at peace. Not to any supernatural level, but it was a change of pace from my mood and motivation the last few weeks.

pontificator
11-19-2021, 11:06 AM
I'm not 100% at all on this one. I'll give you my line of thought, it might be useful [and hopefully it'll jog discussion]:
1) The sphere decreasing in size could suggest it was being emitted into your room from another location, I'll go a bit in-depth as to why I think this could be.
In terms of Remote viewing, or other phenomenon involving influence, it is possible to effectively make your influence appear at another location.
My though is that the influence punches through from the origin location to the destination, and floods out from a point; influence decays rapidly into a normal background influence pattern.
With the sphere, as described in your account, I would expect a powerful entity to produce that effect if the above is true; it's probably inaccurate, but I'll go for it, as it's an interesting theory to explore.
So, the entity sends its influence to your location, it expands into a sphere, it emits light at you (probably patterned influence, but there is so much it is having a physical effect on the surrounding area, appearing as white light.)
When the entity becomes aware you are aware, it basically retreats, and the influence supplying the sphere reduces until there is nothing; supply could be cut and then the remainder is normalised, or the supply dwindles gradually.

2) The entity could have been in your location to reverse something done by the earlier entity, pure speculation, worth investigating.
After you saw the black sphere, did you have any health issues, or "bad luck"?

3) White, oddly enough, is also the colour of my spiky white ball of non-light which connects me to my body; I looked at it while in an OOBE a long time ago. Wasn't super light-beam bright though, more like the "light" was not glowing and was a physical manifestation in the layer I was in at the time. this is why I'm tending towards the entity influence in 1. Note, I've not tried to visit you remotely, so wasn't me.

Thoughts? (Don't forget, you can always try thinking at the balls [that sounds terrible...])

Over my way, lots and lots of monitoring. Many somethings are keeping a close eye on me, and the field changes can be point nauseous/bruise painful in new places which don't normally get that. Some small red spots and really small warts have also been getting hit by a sensation of intense electrical shock pain periodically. Resulting in some of them going away in a few cases, so whatever it is, it's having a physical effect. I note that there are some "chiming in" with that "knowing" telepathic intuition on the odd thing here and there; amusing, also allows me to spot what they don't like. I've also been reading the odd reaction from some of the entities, like a mental tick from them, so the link is working both ways; in a fashion. [*chuckles* they really don't like me writing about that, one of them is expressing being affronted that I'm reading it, or at least it's sending more than it's supposed to {it really doesn't know what to do}.]

pontificator
11-20-2021, 01:35 AM
This threw them good:

https://youtu.be/kHjrts4MJi0?t=2838
(around 47:10)

However, look a bit more carefully at the question, it's rather basic. In fact, so basic that we can manufacture our own vehicles and also genetically engineer lifeforms for different tasks, designer mice anyone?
That an ET could be more advanced, technologically in both fields, is surely not that much of a stretch?
It's a very simple question... and yet see how it threw them, and also someone in chat (that'll be viewable 24 hours later.)

Could it be that people are overthinking when "ET" is added to a question? Have I perhaps discovered a way of prodding a certain psychological defence mechanism? [Is the chat response irrational, when thought about more critically?]
Surely the idea of being able to genetically alter and grow a body, and then move a consciousness, shouldn't be too far fetched?

Can you imagine, given how something simple throws people, how they will react when exposed to the actual phenomenon? They'll be eaten alive.

Sansanoy
11-20-2021, 11:32 AM
I'm not 100% at all on this one. I'll give you my line of thought, it might be useful [and hopefully it'll jog discussion]:
1) The sphere decreasing in size could suggest it was being emitted into your room from another location, I'll go a bit in-depth as to why I think this could be.
In terms of Remote viewing, or other phenomenon involving influence, it is possible to effectively make your influence appear at another location.
My though is that the influence punches through from the origin location to the destination, and floods out from a point; influence decays rapidly into a normal background influence pattern.
With the sphere, as described in your account, I would expect a powerful entity to produce that effect if the above is true; it's probably inaccurate, but I'll go for it, as it's an interesting theory to explore.
So, the entity sends its influence to your location, it expands into a sphere, it emits light at you (probably patterned influence, but there is so much it is having a physical effect on the surrounding area, appearing as white light.)
When the entity becomes aware you are aware, it basically retreats, and the influence supplying the sphere reduces until there is nothing; supply could be cut and then the remainder is normalised, or the supply dwindles gradually.

2) The entity could have been in your location to reverse something done by the earlier entity, pure speculation, worth investigating.
After you saw the black sphere, did you have any health issues, or "bad luck"?

3) White, oddly enough, is also the colour of my spiky white ball of non-light which connects me to my body; I looked at it while in an OOBE a long time ago. Wasn't super light-beam bright though, more like the "light" was not glowing and was a physical manifestation in the layer I was in at the time. this is why I'm tending towards the entity influence in 1. Note, I've not tried to visit you remotely, so wasn't me.

Thoughts? (Don't forget, you can always try thinking at the balls [that sounds terrible...])


2. Actually just recently, within the last few weeks I've had some problems, which I discovered were due to something I was eating. It actually came once I resolved it (too much omega 3's). My first instinct was that it was there to do something about that. I had one thought of wonder about it, am I seeing it, or am I seeing through an iris that is closing. Am I really seeing it's extent or is what allows me to see it only partially open like an iris. Maybe it never entered my room but instead poked a small hole into where I was. It's small size just seems wrong, and seemed wrong at the time.

pontificator
11-21-2021, 09:38 AM
You could try reading it, as in concentrate on the object and imagine reading it as though it is a book. This is assuming you see it again.
If you are really ultra brave, rush it and touch it with your non-dominant hand; unknown what will happen, but I guarantee something will happen.
It's curious you mention the Omega 3's, I had taken to fish-oil capsules during the year I was abducted, but stopped taking them not that long afterwards.
I'll get another container of them, and see what happens.

On another front, I see things are degenerating into:
First the came for the unvaccinated, but because I was vaccinated I did not call out.
Then they came for those who could not prove they were vaccinated, but because I had proof I did not call out.
.... perhaps something about marks on the back of the hand and in the forehead comes next?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-delta-outbreak-europes-crisis-pits-vaccinated-against-unvaccinated/NDAPHW6PRRPTMGJPVMHSM6KOXA/

pontificator
11-22-2021, 04:49 AM
So, I spent rather a long time yesterday text chatting away with a variety of people + in chat with a voice changer.
I was mainly concentrating on describing a variety of things, giving an underlying understanding of the influence layer and how the phenomenon uses it.
Other aspects included the nature of grey psychology and physiology + some aspects of how they appear to be manufactured + the harvesting of influence structures and a brief overview of how psychotronic weapons work vs properly manufactured influence tools.
I also pointed out some aspects of how you can end up spotting a variety of different interesting beings in the influence layer, including some classical entities like Angels and Demons; that threw one for a loop when I pointed out that the Greys have those on their entity categorisation list.

During all the above I noted that something I'd had a suspicion about, namely the development of a new and rather odd ability, was working quite well. Somehow I've developed remote mind-reading of third-party entities reading me, in such a way as it manifests as remote expression reading... so, what they're thinking effectively replays on me as if they were making an expression which matches. It's more along the lines of my face is not physically moving, but the expression which I would make is "felt".

Let's just say that a fair few entities were making some very interesting expressions indicating they were having a hard time.

As if that wasn't interesting enough, I went to bed as usual, which is when a lot of things try to connect in as I'm basically not moving. Well, last night was like telepathic WW3 in my bedroom, with all sorts of things going back and forth amongst a variety of beings [I was in fly-on-the-wall mode]. Then I sensed a Grey outside nearby to my left, which I could tell what it was from the signature + associated imagery reading, but it was a different build with a more nebulous fuzzy mind. Something to my right and above, said "you leave him alone", which I assume/think was directed to the Grey, but the entity concerned was using telepathic audio speech without the sound component, which I can understand, but I could neither see/sense nor read the entity concerned.

Anyway, I left them to their debate and got some sleep. I'll never understand why the "ET" can't just sit down for some quiet conversation, they're all after the fact with me, and then I have to put up with the equivalent of a multi-sided shouting match going on between who knows what going on every time they enter into wordsmith combat. Why does it have to be in my bedroom? It's not some grand conference centre, or demilitarised debating chamber. If it happens again I'm going to have to tell them to be quiet, and to sit down so we can all have a sensible conversation; preferably without them manifesting and irradiating the place.

pontificator
11-29-2021, 07:04 AM
We have to wonder, which group is backing them in terms of "ET"? The elements strike me as possibly being the same which backed Germany some years back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St9IxZO1VGs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdfOiWHS2Dw

Graeme Rendall has also confirmed that interference by a Foo Fighter prevented the following bombing, due to loss of the payload: "The target was Berchtesgarten, Hitler's mountain retreat at the Obersalzburg."
See comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-lx1gID5I&amp;lc

pontificator
12-03-2021, 03:40 AM
Hmm, and the Ukraine and Russia front continues to build towards excitement. Depending on what happens, looks like all the chess pieces are in place:
https://www.rt.com/russia/541955-military-action-ukraine-territory/

So, who'd want to place bets the US could end up embroiled in Europe at the same time it is dealing with Taiwan?

dreamoftheiris
12-04-2021, 12:16 AM
You ever get the other vaccine shot, Ponti? Just curious your reaction to it.

pontificator
12-06-2021, 04:29 AM
You ever get the other vaccine shot, Ponti? Just curious your reaction to it.
Not much different for the second shot than catching something, in terms of vaccines it was more noticeable, but then again I've not had closely spaced shots like this before.
So, usually when I get a viral infection I get the shakes [check], and generally go off and wrap up in piles of duvets to kill whatever it is [this usually kills anything dead in a few hours, but is pretty hot.]
In this case I didn't go off and wrap up in piles of duvets, as I was concerned that would destroy the effectiveness of the spike production, and therefore not confer the immunity I needed.
As it was, not really very pleasant, I had the pain from various injuries come back in sections [so, it moved up gradually from the feet.] This was from muscle weakness from what I could see, and the pain level was akin to the original injury; actually whipped out painkillers for a change.
So, felt miserable for about 3 days, after that started getting better, and now nothing really to report. I can't say I've had any heart checkups as a result of this, but am keeping an eye out for that.

Overall, a reasonable tradeoff vs the full-blown disease, which would probably do very horrible things to me. It didn't make the "Aliens" go away... and they're certainly far more active at the moment, given I've been prodding them with a stick as per usual.
One connected through last night via a third-party, it was "highly unimpressed" when I made the head of the "lookback" image of it explode. So unimpressed, my left eardrum hammered from whatever it did afterwards; I do like to think it was its scream, but that would be wishful thinking.

pontificator
12-11-2021, 02:26 AM
As I'm probing the Alien command structure more deeply, and finding locations, I find that a new crew is looking back. So, there was a set of signatures I was familiar with, but they've largely gone away.
This is, of course, due to me carefully training people up with background information concerning the influence layer, and how various things including "ET" interface with it.
They're "very unhappy", to put it mildly. Their method of telepathic monitoring is also lacking in subtlety, but I can see there is a degree more finesse involved. In turn, because of all this, any ability range which has been mostly dormant is simply active, so I need to be careful.
Although I'm not 100% on it, I have a suspicion that the field strength is affecting surrounding electronics, as I have been seeing very interesting hardware error messages I've never seen before in my 20+ year career in the industry.
I'm working on mitigating that, as it looks like a section of the field extends out further than I'm aware of, so it's a case of working out how to bring it in closer so that doesn't happen, or at least lower the effective range of operation in terms of influence types.

Comments for this will be up in 24 hours, but this was a rather fun episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wGHQ7C9zgw
Yes, we're quite literally getting up to the stage where people are concluding things are going down.

From someone on the inside, "The Event" is supposed to happen soon. Keep in mind, they know I'm aware, so there's no guarantees that's truthful information. The bit communicated about 1/3 to 2/3 of the population dying off is probably accurate, but if we go by Biblical thirds, it'll be 1/3.
No indications as to what "The Event" entails. I have my survival bits ready though. Indications are you should be well outside of a city; mainly due to the danger of other people, so it'll be roving bands of starving people and the usual apocalyptic nonsense. Later, it looks like the invasion *coughs*, sorry, rescue, will start in earnest; but be welcomed by the people still alive. It won't be until later, when more things are revealed, that they realise they have been had.

I wonder if the rest of my swords will arrive in time...

pontificator
12-12-2021, 03:24 AM
This is an extremely interesting read, especially the medical analysis, and a video interview is included where some of the UFO crash materials are shown and talked about as well:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nzkq/stanford-professor-garry-nolan-analyzing-anomalous-materials-from-ufo-crashes

pontificator
12-23-2021, 09:00 AM
I will be on Spaghetti Lee's YouTube channel tomorrow, Thursday the 23rd, 4pm EST.
That's 10:00am Friday for me, so if I sound groggy that's because of a mixture of Demons and Aliens keeping me up all night ;) [I honestly hope that does not happen...]

No video feed for me, and I'm on a voice-changer because, well, it sounds more mysterious ;)
I just pray it's not going to be a trainwreck. Hopefully we'll be covering at least one of the encounters, do a bit of Q&A, and also look at aspects of Alien psychology and their methodology, alongside how awareness of the influence layer affects their approach.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm4NcsoEijM

Note: If everything goes to pot, blame the Aliens ;) No, seriously...

epo333
12-24-2021, 02:34 AM
That was smooth and awesome pontificator.

Let us know when the next episode is coming!

calikid
12-24-2021, 07:25 PM
It was interesting. THanks for making the time Pont.

calikid
12-26-2021, 04:30 AM
@Pontificator.
At one point I was a bit confused.
The way you discussed the "entities", was almost like they were having a turf war over who got to use you.
Was it physical space they wanted to occupy? Or certain people? :confused:

pontificator
12-29-2021, 09:57 PM
@calikid Turf war over who claims ownership. In terms of who you will see, typical operational layout appears to be Administrator [project owner representative], workers [personnel resident to the zone of control.]
Remember, these guys think of people like livestock, we don't even match their requirements for sentience.

calikid
12-30-2021, 05:22 AM
@calikid Turf war over who claims ownership. In terms of who you will see, typical operational layout appears to be Administrator [project owner representative], workers [personnel resident to the zone of control.]
Remember, these guys think of people like livestock, we don't even match their requirements for sentience.

Thanks for clearing that up.

pontificator
12-30-2021, 09:53 PM
@Sansanoy I've been taking the fish oil capsules for a while now, as a test, so I think I can safely report that they don't seem to make a difference to PSI ability.

pontificator
01-13-2022, 10:47 PM
1779

Next interview is on Friday the 14th, 4pm EST. (Tomorrow.)
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiLPFXPWrFj37EbcnctPDxw/featured

Spaghetti Lee will probably put the link up close to start time; if you subscribe, you should get an alert at that moment if you allow YouTube subscription notifications/toasts/popups.

pontificator
01-14-2022, 09:23 PM
Live in approx 30 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38G2pbXQxI

calikid
01-15-2022, 06:22 PM
Live in approx 30 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c38G2pbXQxI

MIssed it. At the clinic, visiting doctor... routine. No worries.
Will have to catch recorded version.
Thanks for sharing the link.

Arkki
01-19-2022, 11:33 PM
Nice! These shows are so short!
Could listen a few hours on the background. Hearing the voice changer took some time to get to used to, but now it works. I know the show focuses on encounters, but damn, idea of you structuring a lecture on the model of how PSI/mind works would be something! Also, peculiar to see the reaction from people who are not familiar with contents of these threads.

For old times sake, had to leave little bait there in comments :biggrin2: Maybe some fresh faces will find here!

Fore
01-22-2022, 08:36 AM
Nice! These shows are so short!
Could listen a few hours on the background. Hearing the voice changer took some time to get to used to, but now it works. I know the show focuses on encounters, but damn, idea of you structuring a lecture on the model of how PSI/mind works would be something! Also, peculiar to see the reaction from people who are not familiar with contents of these threads.

For old times sake, had to leave little bait there in comments :biggrin2: Maybe some fresh faces will find here!Nice to see you still around Arkki.:biggrin2:

pontificator
01-31-2022, 02:20 AM
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AbducteeJournal on Gab: 'Lines of Association. Ever since I met @Fore and then later @PontificatorOMF I have been able to expand my knowledge of the alien/hybrid psychic approach. This was a major hole in my knowledge about how they are able to switch an abductee’s brain state, manipulate their emotions/perceptions, and induce a number of effect...
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It's led to an awful lot of interesting effects, and working out how to remove various forms of communication blocks (watching entity, modified psychology and influence, direct rod assembly blockages etc) The requirements for proper telepathy are also being worked on, it appears repeated exposure of an individuals influence field to another persons influence field it required, over a protracted period of time. (An "ET", as Fore said, can simply do this in a day or two by polling a target every few seconds) This repeated expose will stain both fields, and as the stain increases, so does the influence interplay, leading to more spillover in terms of cognition. After a time, this leads to greater and greater telepathic effects.







At some point, it should be possible to have "audio" telepathy, but so far it's possible to sense a persons hair against their face, temperature changes, some body state changes, emotions can be transmitted (very much subject to skill). Directed attention can be detected, so you know when someone is thinking of you, and you can literally pull up discord on PC or phone and see they are typing. I have noticed there can be a 6 second delay on some transmission, and it could be a distance thing (NZ to states.)





https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/895979909397221427/a_ad742a99b6a4dbdb86262a1d92116d8f.webp?size=80Pon tificator.OMF

There is an oddity with field interplay, and that is as you are exposed to the other person more, and they to you, the fields normalise in a fashion. This means you both become more like one another, and in turn this means choosing your friends wisely. I'm personally thinking influence shards might mitigate this problem to a certain extent, but I don't have someone to test that on this second, and I'm also not 100% on how to make a shard and then insert it into someone (especially safely, in both cases. I don't want to make a shard from the fingertip of my little finger, then discover the actual fingertip goes black and dies some weeks later.)

pontificator
02-11-2022, 09:35 PM
New episode/interview shortly:

https://youtu.be/_NOQjFCrHhE

pontificator
02-27-2022, 11:01 AM
Professor Garry P Nolan, of Stanford University, recently entered Think Tank's chat space on Twitter today for a Q&A:
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1MYGNnOnwkQGw?s=20
Following technical difficulties after after answering some of Tupacabra's questions, the interview continued here:
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1lDxLLmnrzqxm?s=20

There is some very good stuff over those 2 hours, and I highly recommend listening carefully.
Over my end, I will be flying to the States within the next few days, to meet with some other high-end psychics/abductees. Depending on how this goes, they should be much better developed by the time I leave.
The "ET" are very, very unhappy I am making this trip, so clearly this is worth many bonus points ;)
It is almost a guarantee they will visit me when I return. I wouldn't be surprised, in the slightest, if there is a confrontation in the States; if my photographic equipment is still working, I'll post photos... the being concerned may or may not be rather bruised.

dreamoftheiris
02-28-2022, 08:47 AM
You sure do have balls, ponti. Hope it's enlightening (and fun). What part of the states are you flying to? If you feel comfortable telling.

I'm reading this fascinating book on Daoist magic and this section on energy reminded me of your story about walking past the site of a recent murder.


ENERGY AND ENVIRONMENTAL INTERACTIONS
Traditionally, all Daoist sorcerers are taught
how to use their Ling Qi (Magical Energy) in
order to more deeply interact with the multidi-
mensional natures of environmental (Earth) and
universal (Heaven) matter, energy, and spirit. In
this type of magical training, the sorcerers are also
schooled in understanding the natural energetic
interactions that occur within all people, places,
and things. These various energetic interactions
are described as follows:

• Energy and People: Every person carries the
energetic imprint of specific habitual thoughts
and emotions. These energetic patterns form
the characteristics and the personality dynam-
ics of each individual, are imprinted in every
family, and are passed on from generation to
generation. As cells create tissues which in
turn create internal organs, so too do people
create families, communities, and nations.
Likewise, the energetic thoughts and emo-
tions of specific cultures form the energetic
basis of each nation and country.
The energy body contains the influence of
the body's Qi, created from the combined

energetic interactions of the body's internal
organ systems and energy systems. As a
sorcerer progresses in his or her training, the
thoughts and feelings that individuals project
into the environment become more and more
obvious.

• Energy and Places: Each area, land, home,
street, town, and country contains its own ac-
cumulation of thoughts, ideas, emotions, and
customs that are imprinted into its energetic
fields. These energetic fields are imprinted by
and interact with the environmental Qi. The
minerals in the soil, plants, animals, humans,
and various geological structures all combine
to create an area's energetic pattern.

For example, the accumulation of the thoughts and
energy imprinted within a prison is quite
different from that in a church.

Each imprinted energetic field affects an
individual due to the exchange of the life
force energy that occurs when the individual
submerges him or herself within that en-
vironment. Any negative life force energy
is absorbed into the blood and the internal
organ systems, polluting the body. All toxic
thoughts and emotions cause the energy to
become "sticky" and more dense.
Any increase in energetic density, which
can be either positive or negative, gives way
to the emission of ectoplasm. Ectoplasm is a
dense form of energy that can be activated by
charged emotions.

The stronger and more intense the accumulated thought and emotion,
the stronger and more powerful the energetic
charge. The stronger the energetic charge, the
easier it will be for ectoplasm to materialize.


This energetic phenomena is demonstrated in
situations in which, for example, a hideous mur-
der occurs at a certain location (e.g., a house).
Then, after the blood has been washed from the
walls, and the house has been freshly painted,
it is rented out to unsuspecting individuals.
For many years, nothing out of the ordinary
transpires in the house. Then, a fourth family
moves in to the house and suddenly there is an
energetic upheaval, resulting in extreme polter-
geist activities and psychic attacks tormenting
the new family. This sudden surge of psychic
activity occurred because the negative energetic
patterns existing within the fourth renting fam-
ily automatically activated the pre-existing nega-
tive energy existing within the environment.


• Energy and Things: All sorcerers know
that after an object has been imprinted with
thought and emotion, that item will retain the
imprinted energy for an extended period of
time. Ancient icons and magical "tools" are an
excellent example of the energetic imprinting
of objects. The subconscious mind naturally
becomes influenced through the energetic im-
printing and activation of these ancient icons
and magical tools. This is why a logo, seal,
or crest, is used to energetically transfer the
ancient power of a magical sect from genera-
tion to generation.

• Transforming the Energy of a Person, Place,
or Thing: In order to change the energetic
field of imprinted thoughts and emotions
contained within any person, place or thing,
the sorcerer must first purge (and sometimes
bind and remove) the "old" energetic state.
Next, the sorcerer creates a "new" energetic
state (i.e., within his or her own body) and
then projects this new energetic state out-
wards in order to envelop and transform
the person, place, or item. This energetic
interaction causes the person, place, or thing
to be engulfed and absorbed in the sorcerer's
projected energetic field. This provides the
sorcerer with the ability to initiate control over
the person, place, or thing that has become
overshadowed by his or her life-force energy.

Fascinating stuff - the book is called Daoist magical transformation skills. https://u1lib.org/book/3683313/67933c

Longeyes
02-28-2022, 08:53 AM
Hope you have a great trip Ponti. Sounds like a worthwhile project. Will they post on here?

Been following Dr Nolan for a longtime. If he didn't mention it in the chat, he's a child abductee himself, partly one of the reasons he offered to help out Dr Greer with the Atacama humanoid.
He's been working with Jacques Vallee on his ET samples and found some odd isotopic anomalies, he's been trying to get the results published in a peer reviewed scientific journal. They must be close to get that done soon.
He's also been working with Dr Dean Radin. Dr Radin claims they have found the psychic genes, and that they are endemic in the human population, it is in fact genes which limit or shut off psychic ability that a more recent development and not so common.
The pilot study of about 20 people, had a problem finding controls with no psychic ability. Now with the price of gene sequencing dropping all the time they are now repeating the study with hundreds of individuals. Dr Nolan's an absolute legend.

Minnette
03-01-2022, 09:31 PM
As I'm probing the Alien command structure more deeply, and finding locations, I find that a new crew is looking back. So, there was a set of signatures I was familiar with, but they've largely gone away.
This is, of course, due to me carefully training people up with background information concerning the influence layer, and how various things including "ET" interface with it.
They're "very unhappy", to put it mildly. Their method of telepathic monitoring is also lacking in subtlety, but I can see there is a degree more finesse involved. In turn, because of all this, any ability range which has been mostly dormant is simply active, so I need to be careful.
Although I'm not 100% on it, I have a suspicion that the field strength is affecting surrounding electronics, as I have been seeing very interesting hardware error messages I've never seen before in my 20+ year career in the industry.
I'm working on mitigating that, as it looks like a section of the field extends out further than I'm aware of, so it's a case of working out how to bring it in closer so that doesn't happen, or at least lower the effective range of operation in terms of influence types.

Comments for this will be up in 24 hours, but this was a rather fun episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wGHQ7C9zgw
Yes, we're quite literally getting up to the stage where people are concluding things are going down.

From someone on the inside, "The Event" is supposed to happen soon. Keep in mind, they know I'm aware, so there's no guarantees that's truthful information. The bit communicated about 1/3 to 2/3 of the population dying off is probably accurate, but if we go by Biblical thirds, it'll be 1/3.
No indications as to what "The Event" entails. I have my survival bits ready though. Indications are you should be well outside of a city; mainly due to the danger of other people, so it'll be roving bands of starving people and the usual apocalyptic nonsense. Later, it looks like the invasion *coughs*, sorry, rescue, will start in earnest; but be welcomed by the people still alive. It won't be until later, when more things are revealed, that they realise they have been had.

I wonder if the rest of my swords will arrive in time...

Are you referring to some kind of nuclear winter?

Edit: I mean are you referring to the consequences of some kind of nuclear winter? Also, what is the motivation for extraterrestrials to invade?

pontificator
03-20-2022, 08:49 PM
Are you referring to some kind of nuclear winter?

Edit: I mean are you referring to the consequences of some kind of nuclear winter? Also, what is the motivation for extraterrestrials to invade?

It's never really said what the event is, so all nebulous, but I think a nuclear winter would destroy most of the resources here; lifeforms.
In terms of Humans, we'd be useful for genetics, so maintaining some genetically distinct populations as a resource sounds like the aim.
As for the motivation for invasion, I suspect the "ET" are more dependent on the Human population here than they'll admit. If we die out, they go with us; I'm thinking from the point of view of "ET" being the product of Fallen Angels, their children.

Fore
04-20-2022, 09:59 AM
As people with first hand knowledge of the events:

Someone ought to reach out to correct the record of events in this documentary:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-bEJ2R0dlM

California Drones of 2007

epo333
04-22-2022, 01:19 AM
After watching that, I can't think of anything I remember enough of to correct. It seemed like a reasonable summary to me.

I always felt the Schematic provided by Isaac to be legit. A complex of material and programing data all in one. Self-activating based on frequencies (harmonics) generating power in a sub-straight. (Like transistor junctions in solid states) . . .

JMO.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects12.htm#contents

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_flyingobjects11.htm

Longeyes
04-23-2022, 01:36 PM
That was great Fore thanks for sharing that. It was a great summation and must have taken him an age to put that all together.
I was a bit of greenhorn back in the days of Open Minds Forum and remember getting completely lost in the details of the case back then.
With more conformation coming out in the last few years - it looks much more likely to be true.
Tom DeLonge meet someone at NASA Ames he was sent there by General MaCasland.
Pretty sure I downloaded the Isaac docs at the time have them on a drive somewhere.
Miss those days when the place was buzzing seems awefully quiet of late

pontificator
07-31-2022, 12:58 PM
I'm still alive, mainly on Discord and a bit of Twitter. Key research area right now is the rod system [interfaces with external influence structures], as well as a variety of Telepathic and other systems. However, work really gets in the way.
Florida was "interesting" ;) It was quite noticeable that I could detect the ambient field changes between regions, so there's certainly plenty going on.
Keep in mind, I had not run into the glowing being before I went via the states on a visit to relatives in 2006/7, so this is following the encounter and all the subsequent associated effects.

Arkki
11-13-2022, 10:32 PM
Just when I'm away for a three days, my wife had a night of doomy world-ending in 14 days-dream with wondering about food and me distributing military/hiking-style large backpacks to people, and she hardly ever dreams - and now noticed a neat and clean triangular typical abduction mark! I'm almost jealous, she got to a ride in the questionable company, but sneaky fuckers!

So, still around, also me here now and then. Hope you all are doing fine!

Alas, image of the mark did not seem to attach. Will post a link.

Arkki
11-13-2022, 10:48 PM
https://ibb.co/CPDTVKj Here the three dots for the record, and yeah, no bedbugs or things around that would leave such marks. She is keen on maybe this meaning more interesting dreams in future.