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pontificator

03-18-2012, 04:26 AM

@Fore, I am not sure I've used that particular technique, or at least I've not come across it used in that manner within the saved threads I've got [it's been quite a while, and with having influence largely on tap I suspect I've simply forgotten.]

I did find the one for the amplification shell that would result in quite apparent effects which would could be used for activation purposes as well [mainly from the point of view that simply exercising this level of ability would cause an activation effect on its own.]

-- Possible candidate:
I didn't use this particular method in the below described way that often, as I was concentrating on being able to manifest the amplifier as a moving object [Form the PSI-Ball shell at a remote location, and then manifest the construct within it.]

So, here's essentially what we are dealing with here:
The PSI user has created a PSI ball above their hand, they are aware of the brief moment that they interface with their higher-mind to perform this operation.
The next step to this is a slightly different, instead of creating a solid psi ball we are aiming to create a shell; that is, a hollow ball.
The PSI user must now maintain that static shell, while forming patterned influence just behind it. When I say patterned influence I mean that the PSI user is manifesting it with an intention of what it should do, it is the intention that patterns the influence.
The PSI user now inserts the patterned influence into the shell, creating a sphere that amplifies the internal patterned influence.
From a different perspective the shell is maintaining the presence of the influence pattern, and as you maintain the shell it gets absorbed by the pattern on its interior. As far as I know this is the reason that the pattern is amplified.

Now, the user can take this shell with pattern and insert the contents into a target, at which point the PSI users influence [now amplified] will manifest and execute its intent within the target. [DISCLAIMER: Here be dragons, don't forget that you must be able to disassemble this construct, as it will keep working. It is also quite possible that the effects will be permanent, so don't play with it expecting that everything will be all right, it won't {in much the same way as playing with lit petrol in your hands.}]

-- Alternate candidate:
Thinking about it I was wondering if it might be where a user generates a PSI ball, and then passes it above the body. This would probably not be too good an idea near the head, but it would stimulate structures nearby.

Arkki

03-18-2012, 05:36 PM

How long can you make these constructs keep around? Say, a psiball with intent of thought "inspire imagination", or "feel calm" either inserted to body or left to chair..

In my experience, in the case of inserting patterned influence to body (disregarding how stupid that may be), I'm able to sense the influence, intention and effect, but after a while, body normal influence patterns wash over it and the construct dissipites by itself. I feel calm for a while, but effect done this way stays on maximum of few hours (or I just won't notice it anymore).

When left in place - how well the thought forms keep together depends of the conditions of the area. Airing out, rearranging furniture, insence - physical changes cause wear on psi constructs. I'm not certain I've ecreated psi-constructs that can last, eventually they vanish. Shields and such require upkeep and renewing. For example, (this is crude) I can fill room with influence and program the feel of the place to change to mirthful. Works for a while, but after a night or few people passing by, it dissappears. Though I anmint not really ever giving a proper try to containing the influence - leaks around more or less and I'm happy just to get some of it around. I remember reading that sealed-salt water can used as a physical container for psi-constructs *shrug*
How well does programmed psiball-shell or similar structure last? In different environments?

pontificator

03-19-2012, 11:21 AM

How long can you make these constructs keep around? Say, a psiball with intent of thought "inspire imagination", or "feel calm" either inserted to body or left to chair..

I think a more accurate answer is that I do know the limit at this time, I suspect it has a lot more to do with an individuals ability to maintain the construct.

In my experience, in the case of inserting patterned influence to body (disregarding how stupid that may be), I'm able to sense the influence, intention and effect, but after a while, body normal influence patterns wash over it and the construct dissipites by itself. I feel calm for a while, but effect done this way stays on maximum of few hours (or I just won't notice it anymore).

Ahh, well you can "get away with it" if it's something simple, as you are not fundamentally changing the programmed makeup of what you are affecting there. The influence body naturally purges and replaces patterns with it's own, if you wish to make it permanent then you need to alter the pattern that creates the patterns. That is under the "extreme danger" category, and you will damage yourself.

When left in place - how well the thought forms keep together depends of the conditions of the area. Airing out, rearranging furniture, insence - physical changes cause wear on psi constructs. I'm not certain I've ecreated psi-constructs that can last, eventually they vanish. Shields and such require upkeep and renewing. For example, (this is crude) I can fill room with influence and program the feel of the place to change to mirthful. Works for a while, but after a night or few people passing by, it dissappears. Though I anmint not really ever giving a proper try to containing the influence - leaks around more or less and I'm happy just to get some of it around. I remember reading that sealed-salt water can used as a physical container for psi-constructs *shrug*
How well does programmed psiball-shell or similar structure last? In different environments?

It is normal for all constructs to wear out over time, however there is a permanency effect you can introduce, but it also decays into unexpected effects [read "potentially dangerous".] To make any form of permanency the construct needs to be reinforced somehow, and that requires either maintaining it yourself using your higher-mind to do all the heavy lifting [its better that way], or making fundamental changes to a physically existing object. Changing the pattern and makeup of an object works longer, but always decays into something else, the problem with that something else is that it's likely permanent. This means that one day you might find your ornamental rock warps light, or perhaps levitates slightly. You may also find that if you attempt to pick it up that the roundness is currently supernatural sharpness. Lets not get into what happens if it layers itself into a stable but multilevel set of atom thick two-dimensional surfaces [other than it'll make a Katana look like a toy].

The main point behind a psi-ball with interior programmed command set is that it allows you to amplify both the command and the influence put into the command. You can also use the psi-ball to regulate the release-rate of the influence, instead of flooding something with a huge heap of influence. In essence it is very close to what a psychometric storage device is supposed to be able to do, but without the physical mechanism [Those things are simply a waste of time, a good psychic shouldn't need one, unless they need a hammer to do the job of a screwdriver.]

@Fore, still thinking on the tuning fork approach, it could also be the one where the psi-ball is moved within the body, allowing the user to map internal structures. One set of structures acts as a regulatory device that sends influence up within the body, just in front of the spine. They number three, and go within the skull region, essentially piping influence to the major interconnects in that area. The same is also true of the interconnects on the arms, thighs, hands, feet. We'll not talk about the chest ones, too many people kill themselves playing with those. The interior skull structures have a tendency to be "collapsed" due to inactivity, they can be reassembled and placed back into position with a careful bit of work, this usually keys an individual so that influence is largely on tap with little effort. Still problems with contamination removal though, and I'd hate to think what would happen if someone inactive were suddenly made active with everything in place [especially the eyes, that part's horrible.]

Fore

03-19-2012, 12:21 PM

@Fore, I am not sure I've used that particular technique, or at least I've not come across it used in that manner within the saved threads I've got [it's been quite a while, and with having influence largely on tap I suspect I've simply forgotten.]

I did find the one for the amplification shell that would result in quite apparent effects which would could be used for activation purposes as well [mainly from the point of view that simply exercising this level of ability would cause an activation effect on its own.] Just in case anyone is mystified by what Pontif is referring to, in the post above and below...he is talking about something that roughly looks like the following mockup.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2djxytw.png

It was one of the simpler (and relatively safer) version of generating a PSI ball without the problematic side effects that are brought about during advanced experiments. Does he really need that many structures to produce "a simple" psi ball? No, not really.

If coalescing a "mass" of influence is the objective then no. If he is doing more than coalescing a simple mass of influence above his hand, then yes. This is a safer version to produce programmed structures.

The source of the raw influence in the illustration usually will come from the persons IFM (Internal Field [Manipulation]).

The shell above the hand is a basic form of isolation. A programmed structure I (very basically) described for Pontif to create. All it does it isolate the phenomena above his hand (the "Psi Ball"). Call it a programmed psychic structure that acts as a one way "isolater". It protects his IFM throughout the rest of his body from adopting the irregular changes he makes within the PSI Ball.

The outline of the ball itself (in pontifs references) are the "Amplification" mechanisms.

The actual congealed Influence that he is targeting programming at is store at the center of the sphere.

Fore

03-19-2012, 12:35 PM

Someone out there is probably going to think that this is completely unnecessary to create a programmed psi ball.

It depends.

If you are a beginner psychic with poor or non-existent control. Then you really should be wearing this kind of protection.

...then again, chances are you don't even have the capability to produce these basic kinds of phenomena if you really are a psychic whom is just starting to sense their psi abilities.

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Why the need for such complex safety?

The reason is pretty simple. Take that psi ball you are forming in your hand. Go ahead and generate it. Then describe the physical sensations you feel on your hand when you form the psi ball with no protection.

A good portion of you will feel you fingers "tingle". Some of you with dense influence manipulation will feel the physical mass that makes up your hand feel sudden shifts, electrically (nerve endings, and chemically (sodium, water, iron, blood and cell integrity etc).

That strangely "funny sensation" covering you hand is proof enough that the phenomena is touch your skin directly and is affecting your hand enough that you can feel the distortions on your physical anatomy. It means the influence your emitting is permeating in all directions. If it travels down your insides it will affect other areas of your body.

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Technically, a low level psychic should not be able to produce Re-programmed influence. They should technically only be able to dump lots of influence into their hands that is patterned in some way like the rest of their body.

That should hold true over the majority of people.

Though some people are capable of unconsciously changing the properties of the influence generated inside them to a completely different form. A form which can end up interfering with their body and internal field like a storm.

If you are that type of person, you would be better off learning how to create "isolation structures" so that your internal influence field doesn't pick up the distortions emitted practicing psychic activity.

pontificator

03-20-2012, 09:03 AM

@Fore, yeah I know it was a bit more in-depth than necessary, but my feeling on the matter was that it is better to treat everything as seriously dangerous.

@All, The main problem, I feel, is that someone attempting to use the material will start with the simple version, but then hurt themselves when [inevitably] they try something a bit more advanced without the safeguards. If they are taught the safer insulated version first, complex as it may be, then it is likely that they will use the safer version when moving to a more advanced step. Conversely, if they cannot make the safer version then they probably need to train for a lot longer, do much more in-depth reading, or simply not do it [due to an insufficiency in their genetic and influence body make up.]

PSI ability is not a hit and miss affair where you can walk away unscathed, something will go wrong at some point. The important thing is to make sure that, when such a mishap does occur, you can recover fully or to a large degree.

Now, lets move on a bit. The human body has an influence copy, and that naturally matches the influence emitted into your hand as a PSI ball. With some practice you can also gather and move influence within the body. A side effect of this is that, if you learn how to make a layer of influence move through the body, you will be able to feel the internal structures of the body. A side-effect of doing this is that you will cause those structures to react to the increased influence presence, and in-turn cause your internal psychic structures to activate at a low level.

Some of you will have noticed that as you read some of Fore's [and as I discovered, my own posts {Never had something reading me while I was re-reading my own material before... whatever it was must have been seriously clueless that I wrote it myself...}] there is a strange sensation of pressure just upon the surface of the scalp, temples, or edges of your ears. You may also get this sensation within the skull if your psychic structures are not in great working order [the influence is being released through the structures, if they are mostly blocked by containments then the surplus will gather behind the blockage as it forces its way out. Sometimes this will result in painful shards of such material exiting your psychic body {don't worry, it's mostly harmless}.] At this time I suspect a psychic being is monitoring the posts, and due to this wave of power you will find that it will jump-start any ability you may have. I personally used it to my advantage all the time, but in my case I was sub-consciously connecting to Fore or any target I was reading about [Yeah, then the Greys and a hybrid came visiting, you'll never be the same again afterwards {you've been warned}.]

Arkki

03-20-2012, 05:39 PM

Good points - I'll test these isolation structures some point.

Could you have a word of repairing damages done / low level psibody first aid?
As in, amh, at somepoint I tried to activate "hearth and solar plexus chackras" with flooding the area with copious amount of influence few times. (That wasn't too thought out, just gave it a whir to see what happens, *cringe*) That plus some lasting emotional stresses which felt heavily around chest might just have broken / changed something. Recently I've noticed pain in chest area when I observe influence moving about in my body, say during breathing meditation. I can ease the uncomfort by directing attention elsewhere and concentrating on even flow trough the area without it gathering anywhere.

Assuming that it psi-body related - what can be done to make it heal itself? I'm not that interested in chestaches in particular but assessing issues with the state of psi-body and actions that can taken to ail them?

For example, let it be, tell my higher-mind to do whatever it can?
Gather a gentle amount of influence with general instruction of fix, heal & repair and see what happens?
Or just let it be and not to do any influence manipulations in few months and let natural cycles slowly take over?
Ask a higher-order entity for help and see if their mood is up for it?
Gently activate other parts psy-body with assumption that activations might have synergies with healing-processes (as higher levels of influence certainly seem to help healing in some physical-body issues) ?

Fore

03-21-2012, 04:11 AM

@Fore, yeah I know it was a bit more in-depth than necessary, but my feeling on the matter was that it is better to treat everything as seriously dangerous.

@All, The main problem, I feel, is that someone attempting to use the material will start with the simple version, but then hurt themselves when [inevitably] they try something a bit more advanced without the safeguards. If they are taught the safer insulated version first, complex as it may be, then it is likely that they will use the safer version when moving to a more advanced step. Conversely, if they cannot make the safer version then they probably need to train for a lot longer, do much more in-depth reading, or simply not do it [due to an insufficiency in their genetic and influence body make up.]

PSI ability is not a hit and miss affair where you can walk away unscathed, something will go wrong at some point. The important thing is to make sure that, when such a mishap does occur, you can recover fully or to a large degree. There is always that danger.

Now, lets move on a bit. The human body has an influence copy, and that naturally matches the influence emitted into your hand as a PSI ball. With some practice you can also gather and move influence within the body. A side effect of this is that, if you learn how to make a layer of influence move through the body, you will be able to feel the internal structures of the body. A side-effect of doing this is that you will cause those structures to react to the increased influence presence, and in-turn cause your internal psychic structures to activate at a low level.

That is pretty much the "tunning fork" method. Moving intense influence along the inner corridors of your Interior field should cause the structures to "wake up" and start attempting to handle the abnormal rate of influence passing through it..

If the person doing it keep their patterns aligned with what their body normally produces the risk should be minimal. But if the influence configuration changes as it travels along their interior then that will cause problems.

It is a calculated low risk if you think about it. Only a small margin of people "should" accidentally hurt themselves along the way.

Some of you will have noticed that as you read some of Fore's [and as I discovered, my own posts {Never had something reading me while I was re-reading my own material before... whatever it was must have been seriously clueless that I wrote it myself...}] there is a strange sensation of pressure just upon the surface of the scalp, temples, or edges of your ears. You may also get this sensation within the skull if your psychic structures are not in great working order [the influence is being released through the structures, if they are mostly blocked by containments then the surplus will gather behind the blockage as it forces its way out. Sometimes this will result in painful shards of such material exiting your psychic body {don't worry, it's mostly harmless}.] At this time I suspect a psychic being is monitoring the posts, and due to this wave of power you will find that it will jump-start any ability you may have. I personally used it to my advantage all the time, but in my case I was sub-consciously connecting to Fore or any target I was reading about [Yeah, then the Greys and a hybrid came visiting, you'll never be the same again afterwards {you've been warned}.][/quote]

By the way, I am going to talk about what influence "amplification" actually is [as a concept].

tl2

04-01-2012, 11:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ei7xakHWo0 interseting.

pontificator

04-02-2012, 10:42 PM

By the way, I am going to talk about what influence "amplification" actually is [as a concept].@Fore, I've been rather busy my end so I'm going to be posting very sporadically for quite some time. I take it that something happened your end as well, if you can try to continue.

Neuru

04-04-2012, 02:00 PM

Regarding the tuning fork method, and moving around influence in one's body in general:

How long should one session of the "tuning fork method" last on average?

If we set aside the fact that there is a good deal of difference between two individuals' rate of influence production, what would be a safe bet for a minimum length of time that would be effective?
Similarly, is there a maximum length for a session, after which it would be dangerous to continue (or it would yield no additional benefits)? <-- For someone practicing this, this is probably the most important to know.
How many times should a session of average length (i.e. somewhere between these two values) be repeated in one day?

What is the ideal state of mind in which the tuning fork method, or IFM in general, is accomplished?

What is the ideal method to get to that state of mind?
@Fore, in the Jan 24, 2008 post of your previous thread [link] (http://www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2008.htm) you wrote extensively about the complex imagination exercises that eventually developed in you a silence of mind. Was there more to this? Specific exercises the Advisor taught you to keep your thoughts completely still? Or was it mostly a product of these exercises?

If manipulating influence requires visualizing it, what is the best... "metaphor" to visualize it (as in, fluid, energy, etc.)? Or should it be simply "felt"?
How should raw influence be visualized (or what thought/notion should be kept in mind)?
When starting to move influence around, where should one start? What path should be the influence moved along? As in, if someone wants a successful bonding process, what "checkpoints" should the influence pass in the body so that it touches all the relevant psychic structures that should be woken up?
What do the internal "corridors" of the influence body look like?
What physical substances / ingredients should one take care not to eat or drink that would be harmful to / would interfere with the ability to manipulate influence? Conversely, what substances can help? (Here I don't mean drugs.)
How many of these questions are redundant and shouldn't have been asked in the first place?:eek:

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Side note:

Several times before, I wanted to reply with something I thought at the moment was relevant. Every time i refrained from it because while typing up a reply,

I had a thought/feeling that it would be impolite or offending to you two, as in... you obviously put in a lot of effort to disclose so much "forbidden" knowledge in an easily understandable and coherent way, which is a pretty selfless act IMO, so it would do no good to bother you with even more questions as you already have your own lives to look after.
I had a thought that whatever I was asking can be easily found in older posts if one takes the trouble to look through them.
My thinking became hazy and I struggled to (mentally) form sentences or trains of thought. This time (as in, right now) is no exception.

So that's some prime telepathic manipulation at work as you can see. Is there really no way to put up a mental firewall to counter this or is the method just kept secret? Maybe putting up a wall of "static noise" influence, like the Greys do? Or "coat" one's body in a layer of "static noise influence"? How does one do that?

Neuru

04-04-2012, 02:59 PM

Strange how the forum went down just a bit after this was posted... though who knows what the exact reason was.

Fore

04-05-2012, 06:50 AM

Strange how the forum went down just a bit after this was posted... though who knows what the exact reason was.Your are gonna make Garuda and Calikid work overtime then.

Just kidding ;)

You have some good questions and I like how you phrase things logically. Are you related to Montalk? (You don't have to answer that)

I am finding it is harder and harder to divulge information. Gotta get something to grease the wheels of this mind of mine.

Neuru

04-05-2012, 12:42 PM

Are you related to Montalk? (You don't have to answer that)
Most likely not (I'm from Hungary) but I hope to pick up much from his mindset.

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For what it's worth and for anyone from there who might chance upon this thread:

From the few encounter descriptions I've read, some (most?) of Hungary is under Grey jurisdiction. :eek::eek: They may not all be the same kind of greys who moleste- I mean supervised you. The ones mentioned here [google translate link] (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufoszovetseg.hu%2Findex.php%3Fo ption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D55%26I temid%3D83) are short, at 1.5 meters. They are described as female presences (possibly a projected artificial persona) and the abductee says that they spoke in a "gurgling, bubbling" voice that could be likened to the sound pigeons make. The report seems legit as it describes what looks like phasing technology (shimmering blue light from outside). Did yours ever speak this way?

This one [google translate] (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ufoszovetseg.hu%2Findex.php%3Fo ption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D57%26I temid%3D85%26limitstart%3D2) describes tall greys (1.8 - 2 meters) with elongated heads and pinkish irises.

There is also a report [link] (http://mufoncms.com/cgi-bin/report_handler.pl?req=view_long_desc&id=8432&rnd=) on MUFON of a menacing black being. I recall Pontificator was terrorized by a black being but don't know if that one also had an elongated head.

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If you're interested:

One night back in December, about three weeks after starting to read your old thread I had a nonsensical dream (abduction, I guess) which I don't want to describe in public. A few days before that (hazy), I began to have slight tinnitus in the left ear. For a good 1 to 1.5 months after this particular dream, this constant ringing became louder (though nowhere near annoying, just audible when one paid attention to it). At various times, I got an arrhythmic series of "pops" in the right ear as well. Could be paranoia, could be an implant. (For what? Muddling thoughts, one would guess.) This happened shortly before I got to the point in the thread where someone mentioned that he was abducted as a result of reading your accounts -- so this may rule out the placebo effect. I had several "abductions" afterwards, the last one I am aware of occurred on February 7. (Hesitant to call them abductions as humans are imaginative beings.) The "tinnitus" came back about a week ago.

One thing that was common with these "abductions" was that when they ended, I heard music playing but only became aware of it when it was already fading out. Then I became awake and alert some 3-4 seconds before being able to actually open my eyes. At the end of the first "abduction" I awoke with the thought that I descended vertically back into my bed. This did not repeat in subsequent instances. As for what the music was like... umm, elevator music. Sort of. Except it wasn't but the atmosphere it conveyed was like that. It had rhythm, had a pleasant sound but did not convey emotion. Hard to describe.

Probably because of these "abductions", I had for some two weeks something what you could call a very, very low level entity attachment. It gave off negativity (gloom) and overlaid barely visible visages of hellish grins on the blackness you see when you close your eyes. I laughed it in the face repeatedly and told it to **** off already. It did.

Anyway, that's that; not going to derail this thread further. I'm not expecting anything good for Hungary though. But likely that holds true for most of the world. :rolleyes:

Fore

04-07-2012, 01:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvhTdiQ1wqoAn interview with Jacobs and how his views evolved according to him.

Fore

04-07-2012, 02:35 AM

In the video above, scan forward to the 32 minute mark.

Possible references to ET influence manipulation.

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In the video above, scan forward to the 39 minute mark.

Talks on the frequency of encounters and pre-existing conditions. Routines, job roles etc, performed by the ET.

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45 minute mark "It is all downside" -- Jacobs

How true...

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Haha, 50 minute mark!

I guess what I was told is actually true if Jacobs is accurate. The "exerted control" from a distance. I wish I could share with him some stuff he doesn't know about how it can be done more efficiently.

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53 minute mark. LOL, I heard of incidents like that too from ET accounts. People running when the control momentarily fades and they become aware.

Its interesting to hear someone like this researcher mentioning the same stories they told me about. Too bad hes not seemingly aware of more as he would probably say far more interesting things.

Fore

04-07-2012, 03:31 AM

1 hour mark,
This guy has gleaned quite a bit. I guess the part one of the ET told me about some of the hybrids suffering from a lack of interaction is accurate.

Though that ET also said this isn't true for a greater portion. The stories that have come across his research table seem to be mostly in two veins.

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1 hour 12 to 14minutes,
I like how this guy talks.

At 1 hour 14 minutes he mentioned that most of the communication is telepathic even when in person. It is unlikely they require a telephone to talk to their ET progenitors. He might not yet fully understand that they can hold conversations and coordinate activities without needing human technology.

I was a bit surprised that he fully understood that some of these also retain some of the qualities found in the genuine ET. Such as the ability to influence the mind and bodies of people they are in close proximity to.

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1 hour 15min he realizes phasing technology is involved.

Fore

04-07-2012, 05:08 AM

1 hour 37 minutes through 1 hour 40 minutes. Very funny guy. I enjoy listening to this guy.

He says funny things like keeping a certain distance from suspected hybrids. Or how they will probably casually respond that they are not hybrids with very normal looking mannerisms.

But the most interesting and critical observation made by Jacobs is that if the abductees get wind that they [the suspected hybrids] are being monitored....indeed as Jacobs said, the people "above them" whom monitor things every now and then will figure it out eventually.

There is more I have to say on that but for a different time.

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If I, as a non-hybrid, use my own experience as a model. It does not appear that Jacobs has gleaned how the ET keep an eye on both normal people and possibly hybrids. How the groups above might potentially transfer information back and forth without possibly realizing it [as an abductee].

The hybrids can probably communicate without line of sight using telepathy.

I think it would be in the best interests of our human population to figure this out and delve deep. When the scenarios I was informed of become a reality, indeed the first thing people should probably figure out is what is happening around them that they directly cannot see or have a solid grasp on.

If they are a witness on D-Day (Disclosure/Contact Day) and they witness representatives addressing the world and the people within it. It would be very important that the very human population not pay attention to their human appearance on the outside and assume they are the same on the inside. The very human population should instead learn the intricacies of how they communicate and coordinate with each other without the audience noticing the ongoing communication process.

The next most important learning curve is probably learning how to differentiate between natives [Earth born], non-natives [Hybrids and ET] and sponsored natives [Manipulated Earth born].

At the very least, it should be understood how the ETs have set up different methods of gathering information and how they utilize it.

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It is likely that by the time D-Day comes, people will not be able to rely on eyesight alone or mannerisms to figure out or differentiation between all three.

It is very likely from the various scenarios I was told about that the people on the stage will be accompanied by embedded elements in the audience. That may also include those who have been "thoroughly manipulated" into believing they are born from elsewhere or that some of the space brother/sisters are unquestionably benevolent. Therefore "the believing folks"...to that end....may do everything believing it is for the betterment of mankind

Just remember, when the day comes, the ET will almost certainly leave nothing to chance. They will (from all I have been let into) be justifiably confident that they will be able to pull it off before they dim the light on the world stage.

Everything that it means to be human will very likely be used against folks in the long run. Every word, sentence and expression will be calculated and adjusted to make the presentation a success.

The only thing that is ultimately required of our human population is that we ultimately behave as human beings should behave. Like cattle Shepherded into pens, the rest just falls into place because of our nature and type of reasoning. So beware!

Fore

04-07-2012, 05:50 AM

1 hour 42minutes, just as Jacobs mentions, I heard pretty much the same when I probed with my questions.

When I tired to do it, I was told if they needed to they would damage the equipment. More often than not though, they play mind games to illicit the right kind of reasoning that immediately disables the persons attempts to collect evidence.

Making them lose confidence that anyone would believe them even if they got it on tape....so why not turn it off? Or minds games of: if you have a bruise and scoop mark, don't take pictures of it, because otherwise you might look like a fool.

Or threats leveled at you if you attempt to point a camera at them. (which suddenly results in the camera malfunctioning and refusing to work) followed by someone coming down and "strongly" reminding you that you have no business attempting to capture them. "Forcing" you to agree with some cryptic logic that wouldn't fly under normal circumstances.

If you listen to them as they intimidate you, remember one thing, no proof = no one else believing you that anything happened.

That is the bottom line. And, as they stated in their mind game, even if you get proof of beings there or taking video or picture footage....no one will believe you.

If you take a picture of the advisor, as one Grey stated. Those whom you tell will claim that you made a hoax or that you paid someone to pose for the camera in a hoax. It is not (as the Grey said in it's twisted logic) in my best interest to take evidence of anything. I am better off with an unproven story. <I "Fore" powered off camera at that point after being manipulated into thinking that ultimately no one would believe me.>

That is a standard play, and they will threaten you if you insist. Often with a Grey saying that "you never know" when someone might have an accident from here to school or work. They do, and it would be regretful if they failed to inform me of the incident so I could avoid it. (see the twisted example of convoluted logic and threats that never really point back to them?)

If you rebuff them and tell them off, they will tell you to come outside, tell you where to stand so you can observe, then tell you to wait for a bit. Then you see an accident with some innocent bystander a moment later. You are supposed to "understand" what that means.

You are supposed to "realize what your choices are" and what can happen "if you let it happen".

So you feel like you are the victimizer of someone you love and that "you are the one who is deciding 'to push for it' to happen".

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Sometimes the threats are balls of smoke, but they do not have a problem enacting those threats on other people around you. If I told the ET I dealt with almost daily that I did not think they would. They would choose someone at random and make it happen on command.

That is how you control and keep someone quiet.

The show of force are meant to remove any doubt lingering from your own mind. They repeat it as necessary so that you keep it in mind as to whom is in control.

Fore

04-07-2012, 05:51 AM

My dad made it on time to the hospital on the 26th of March 2012 on a Monday. He was in the hospital for several days under intensive care due to the loss of hemoglobin. His level was supposed to be 11.9 if I recall correctly. It was at 3.6. He should have had a fatal heart attack but didn't. The staff conducted many tests to see if he was bleeding out from anywhere. They found no evidence of internal bleeding and tried to replace and monitor him for several days as an in-patient.

While I do not think it is the ETs fault. I believe it is someone elses fault and it was straight out backlash. That same Monday I was taking the Advice that a Higher Order Entity gave me two days prior to that....to remove someone from bothering me. So I talked about it with the family and then enacted it on that Monday.

Needless to say, I am fighting on two fronts with the remaining "problems". The ET group is keeping an eye on me but no longer interacting. My hope of simply refusing to talk seems to be putting some distance between them and I. It's feels good.

But whenever I come back to the forum it spikes up "in advance".

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The spiritual front still needs some work. With the Higher Order Entities working with me and advising me, I have put significant distance between myself and my old associations.

There are always unintended consequences of putting distance and limits.

I am actually grateful that my father made it to the hospital before he suffered an attack. That in itself is a good turn of events. I still put my faith in God than any other. He has always been Good to me.

The ET are seemingly keeping their distance as long as I don't say anything further. Every time I do "talk"; it brings them around.

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I am considering simply abandoning the outpost forum permanently.

I would love to replicate every intricacy and bit of knowledge but I do not know of a way, to transcribe all of it quickly and easily.

Fore

04-07-2012, 09:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu7XYAj-TmY

Whitley Strieber is not very impressive in his knowledge (personal opinion) and as he talks you can tell he has been "handled". A lot of his views remind me of the "types of views" the Grey ET had hoped I would adopt but I did not.

If there were a dividing line........I feel he is more accepting of his group than I was.

At 1 hour 40 through 1 hour and 45minutes he speaks with a strange caller about "the mental graffiti" that ETs sometimes leave behind. This number is apparently related to their ET beliefs.

In fact, at 1hour 45 minutes, he repeats the same "notion" that I heard back when I had better relations with my group. The triangle, the number (3) and the notions of "balance" are repeated almost verbatim by Whitney Strieber.

The chances are probably high that I would have had more of the same of the same experiences as he had; had I been more....accepting.

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Strieber doesn't really add much in this interview as Jacobs. Fairly dry in my opinion. Though I recognize some of his experiences, I noted he doesn't seem to have much information or understand what it was seemingly about.

Too bad we (humanity) does not have a few ETs in well placed public programming. If there were, I believe in a course of a week the entire paradigm of the community could be changed on its head if pushed in the right directions. A change hopefully for the better. If only there were some brave ETs out there whom would be willing to contribute...

Then again, I truly wonder even if anyone knew of various truths...what would it really ultimately matter?

(Irony, the report of an ET whom leaked information to me just flashed in my head... I guess I may have to talk about his report and see if there really is some substance behind his claims.)

Neuru

04-07-2012, 10:24 AM

Neuru

04-07-2012, 12:22 PM

If the latter, the solution for anyone wanting to survive would be to simply pack up and stay in a remote location while the ET circus plays out.

Whoops, I meant to write "If the former". In the latter case obviously no one who stays on the earth has a chance.

Fore

04-07-2012, 02:20 PM

Though a stranger to everyone here, I am sorry to hear that. I did not know what happened to you and your father last week. :eek: So feel free to ignore all the questions i bothered you with a few posts back.

As it stands, you have already disclosed a -lot- of information. That can be organized into a document or set of documents, then disseminated.

-------------------------------------------------- Everyone is allowed to disseminate the information as long as it is not distorted in its meaning.

Including the inclination of some people to disbelieve, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.

An example [link] (http://www.reddit.com/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/rna2r/constant_dejavus_help/). Note the top replies. Yeah, epilepsy, sure thing.

-------------------------------------------------- The propensity for any population to believe or disbelieve is a powerful strategic tool. ---Said by a Member Grey in my ET Group (paraphrased)

As someone who hasn't gone through one millionth of what you have... if I were you I would count on the spiritual higher-up's advice on whether or not you should stay and what you should do. Yeah, but following blindly is not what will make me move. I have to figure out why I should take their advice.

I have already determined it is sound advice. I just haven't fully figured out why I think that to be the case.

It could be that the best course of action is to wait for all events to pass, most humans have been killed off and the negatives had left... then rebuild civilization. Unless this was one of the greys' lies, you and your kind are the ones chosen for that and you will get assistance from the Advisor's faction.

It may very well be that convincing people to side with the positive factions is already a lost cause -- since Disclosure will be about agreements with human leaders, which is mostly just talks -- and talking is something the negatives are very good at. I have begun to wake up to the idea that the Advisor may in fact be part and parcel of the deception herself (in a sense). I say that with a heavy heart.

Her actions though speak volumes about her unwillingness to comply with the others. In retrospect, I am starting to understand what it was she was really afraid I would find out about her and the others with her.

I have slowly begun to realize that there is a reason why she hesitated to tell me more. Why she would freeze when asked a direct question which she knew the answer to. Why she stayed silent and avoided some of the hard pressed questions I kept bringing up.

I think she was ashamed of herself in some way. Possibly stuck between a rock and a hard place. Born into the wrong situation and embedded with the wrong people. Clearly conflicted between taking me under her proverbial care yet knowing that she would have to lie (and more) when asked a critical question.

She always said more truth and information than she ever needed to. Often more than I asked her to explain. (way more) Seemingly (in retrospect) as if she were trying to silently hint to the truths she probably knew I really needed to know.

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That must be infinitely sad. To have someone placed into your care, to care for that person genuinely. Then being asked to lie to that person you have under your care and put them through experiments continually. Seeking ways to minimize the pain and discomfort.

She tried to hide it...but I could pretty much infer from reading between the lines.

I can imagine how painful it must have been for her to lie or to give me the silent treatment and refuse to answer when I asked and pleaded for the truthful answer to a question I really needed an answer to. Having that silence in turn become distrust and distance.

Why she seemingly went out of her way to negotiate with the others so that my treatment and tests were not as harsh as they probably could have been. I took it for granted but never really realized the backdrop of what was going on.

They said she was obsessed with me. I too saw the same but I didn't want to hurt her feelings. I think she also knew that her obsession was hurting me. I imagine with all the time she spent on me, as per the project demanded and the Greys supervisors instructed. I can only imagine she had no one else to talk to. Maybe I am over-reaching in my conclusion?

I noticed that the Advisor, seemingly had no one else to really talk to beyond "business" with the others. She said she had "friends", but I never saw them until almost 15 years later.

To have someone look up to you constantly and to answer all their questions and be the center of their needs must have been something fulfilling to her. But if I think about it, in retrospect, what must it mean to the life she lives? Must be pretty darn lonely.

How hard must it be to hurt someone you care for and love through experiments? How heavy and hard does a lie coming out of your mouth hurt when you know you are perpetuating someones suffering? That must be the reason why she instead stayed silent when asked why I was being put through yet another new test.

Caught between a rock and a hard place?

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I once asked her as a young teenager why she didn't simply run away? She told me something like there is effectively no escape. That they are monitored in different ways and that she could be tracked and recovered. She stated if she did that, she would likely never see me again.

I don't know if I ever asked the Grey Males, but I suspect they would have nothing to say nor take the time to indulge the question.

I remember the day she finally came to me and told me soon her time with me would be over...a whole year and half before we parted. I remember how depressed she was and wouldn't tell me why for the longest.

I remember how impossible it was to consider the possibility of her not being there with me anymore. I wanted her to stay and to cling to her. I remember how she helped me/gently persuaded me to not continue beyond that deadline point. She told me my future would change once she had left. She persuaded me that I might not last a number of more years in my worsening conditions.

(The tests were taxing my body and morale beyond the limit)

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She may work with the wrong people. She might have been born into the wrong fold....but may God bless that woman and set her free. She was the only ET I ever met that had even a semblance of humanity in her character. Whom actually cringed in her lies. Whom hesitated and showed discomfort. Whom fully understood what was right and wrong to the point that it affected her judgement and decision making process.

I have yet to meet another ET whom understands this very point and that it is reflected in their struggles to carry out their actions. All too many ET have seemingly no significant problems doing terrible things without a conscience or consideration to the level that it was alive in her soul.

You can't breed that kind of humanity. No matter how you splice cells.

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I remember how she once revealed many years ago that she was "more emotional" than the average person in her society. That she "was different" and that it sometimes made her not as compatible with her peers. She strongly hinted that she was looked down on.

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Its been like nine years. The last time I saw her was about 3 years ago when they trotted her out one night for a negotiation of terms. In return for my general silence about their ongoing activity.

Even after about 6 years she still remembered me. She still spoke the same. Though she seemed a bit miffed that (i guess) it was under these circumstances.

My original ET group was seemingly dissolved at about that time and was replaced with a couple of tall ET strangers. Then later replaced again with a bit more (quick to) threatening strangers.

The last replacement group was the one that decided the Open Minds Forum needed to disappear and threatened that I need to step down, along with almost all of my writings being deleted. They told me I had the option of deleting it myself or they would. I decided they would have to take care of it. etc

Since then, all has gone (relatively) quiet.

ScaRZ

04-07-2012, 03:38 PM

Hello Fore,thought I would drop in and read some of your material.

Why do you believe this ET group was so against the material at Open Minds?............."Was it just your material they didn't care for or was it much more than that?"

Do they now feel The OutPost is more to their liking?............."Do they feel they have silenced many voices?"

Are they (ET Group) attempting to "Control" The OutPost as a tool to push a set agenda?

I could add more,but will leave it right here for now.

Neuru

04-07-2012, 04:42 PM

Yeah, but following blindly is not what will make me move. I have to figure out why I should take their advice.
That exactly. I don't know them (or any angel or enlightened being actually) but being on the positive side is all about non-intervention.

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I have begun to wake up to the idea that the Advisor may in fact be part and parcel of the deception herself (in a sense). I say that with a heavy heart.
You may be interested in Montalk's Gnosis series because that's what put in me the idea that she sometimes had to lie to you because of the other group's pressure. So far I'd guess it is his magnum opus, a nine-part series of articles he calls a "Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory". Specifically the condensed version of Gnosis Part 6 (http://montalk.net/gnosis/228/nordic-aliens-and-the-grail-race-abridged) where you are mentioned. The Gnosis series may also be very relevant reading for anyone reading this thread, as it has three parts dedicated to the Philosopher's Stone and how it can be related to the Ark of the Covenant and the Holy Grail. (In Montalk's terms, these are items of "demiurgic technology", i.e. devices that manipulate Influence.) Here: http://montalk.net/gnosis

I once asked her as a young teenager why she didn't simply run away? She told me something like there is effectively no escape. That they are monitored in different ways and that she could be tracked and recovered. She stated if she did that, she would likely never see me again.
Which would bring up a question that could probably have a discussion thread of its own on this forum: what kind of society does she come from? She said that the majority think of humans as an experiment and the greater part of the minority are basically fascists ("The Others" is probably a term of contempt like "Nazi" is here, in the Western world). Which leaves us with the fact that only some 15% (IIRC) or them are effectively on our side, the rest is basically against us (because not taking sides in this case actually helps the negatives).

I recall that you mentioned the Sound Mind Principle that is in effect there -- acceptable thoughts. While an average ET (read: not the kind of the Advisor) may very well be keen on presenting their society as if it was so, so much removed from ours, it doesn't seem so, at least from a human perspective. In my impression, it is actually all too human: in the case of a political party, you are most likely looked upon if you subscribe to ideologies not aligned with that party. Or, to put it another way: you join a political party or a club (even something as trite as a fan club) because you admire the ideologies/people/person that form its center -- to cheesily put it, its "object of worship". Banal example, I know, with all the consumerism, but something of this likeness can be observed in fans of products, companies -- one most visible instance of this are many of Apple's fans, where they passionately argue that even a misfeature of one of their products is actually a very good feature and you just don't understand why it is good. I don't mean to diss Apple fans, just haven't had a better example come to mind (and i have to type up this post fast). So in their case, I guess, participating in "politics" is mandatory with all the constant telepathic contact stuff.

And the way some ETs handle people like cattle, well, some humans also handle cattle like... cattle. I think you know what i mean.

In their society, you said (or rather implied) that you can't be free on your own but you are allowed to join a dissenting group. Hmm... What happens to those who want to live as hermits? Are they allowed to? (Guess not.)

I'd love to see what their art is like -- it would probably tell a lot about their psychology. That is, if they still make it. So if most of their contemporary art is technical manuals and propaganda for the various factions... well, that would be pretty much self-explanatory. Especially interesting would be to read some of their literature (though at their level, they probably make simulations, not books).

I remember how she once revealed many years ago that she was "more emotional" than the average person in her society. That she "was different" and that it sometimes made her not as compatible with her peers. She strongly hinted that she was looked down on.
Specifically this brings up something... on the axis of spiritual evolution, I'm inclined to think that being more caring and emotionally invested is closer to the angelic/Godly end of the spectrum. So this could mean that her faction is a group of dissenters in a civilization that is somewhere on the the negative half of the spectrum.

If reincarnation really exists and it is all arranged as you outlined in your memories in your distant past (where you were born in the spiritual realm), then there is a process of spiritual evolution: mineral -> plant -> animal -> human (or an alien equivalent, a physical being with no psi skills) -> superhuman (probably the level of the Advisor's kind) -> [no idea what goes here] -> angelic/demonic. So in essence, we choose our alignment through our acts in the 3D "human" level. We gradually become either positive (service to others, or service to all) or negative (service to self, that is self-serving) and from then on we subscribe to this one polarity we chose.

The reason to bring this up is that I know she mentioned that there is no "universal morality" but I don't think that contradicts the STO/STS polarity. Even if the people in one's species have a "goal-oriented psyche" as opposed to the emotionally oriented one humans have, they can most likely understand which is good for them and they can take sides. Could be wrong here though.

The other reason for bringing it up is that Pontificator has mentioned that angels warn (at least humans) against learning magic, i.e. influence manipulation. If a person lives a life that is favorable to God (not speaking from experience here :/), they will, at the appropriate point in their spiritual development, gain these abilities naturally -- either they will be born with them or they will suddenly acquire them. So the ones who employ "demiurgic technology" and eugenics to enhance themselves and make use of naturally occurring "magical" phenomena are actually flawed beings, since, from an Angel's viewpoint, they "know better" what is good for them during their incarnation whereas they can only really know it fully between two incarnations.

So which of them are more "flawed" in this respect? Those who look down on people who are probably like what they were like a few thousand (or million?) years ago? Or those who can empathize with those people because they can see themselves in them? (Rhetorical question.:rolleyes:)

From what you've written, I can now understand even more why you thought at a young age that she is "perfect" because she (and her faction, one would guess) is basically what we would consider positive -- that humans should strive to become more like her kind. The rest of them... no idea. It could have been the Ra Material's fallacy that 4D and upper would have to be polarized. Or we could take it that the unaligned people are actually Service to Self, since they, through keeping their distance, passively support the negatives. So they're selfish, and thus closer to Evil when viewed on a macrocosmic scale.

She told me my future would change once she had left. She persuaded me that I might not last a number of more years in my worsening conditions.
I don't mean to sound emotionally distant but... I recall that you two had to separate for 20 years and IIRC she implied that you will be alive and well when she comes back. Also interesting is that while it looks like Disclosure, and possibly even the burning of the Earth (if it's not a lie) will happen in this decade, the separation is in effect for 20 years. So could it be that she will come back only sometime after the reconstruction has started? It's also strange to consider that The Others will have permission to scorch the regions over which they didn't even hold jurisdiction -- regions where the leaders didn't even accept them.:confused:

The last replacement group was the one that decided the Open Minds Forum needed to disappear and threatened that I need to step down, along with almost all of my writings being deleted. They told me I had the option of deleting it myself or they would. I decided they would have to take care of it. etc
Whoa, they're probably majorly pissed that your writings are not actually deleted. Montalk and Garuda host copies of your threads on their websites. I archive this one and a few others regularly. Also have a bunch of OMF threads saved but don't know where to put them up, if at all.

With that said, I wish both you and the Advisor the very best -- as shallow as it might sound from someone who doesn't even know you.

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Do they now feel The OutPost is more to their liking?............."Do they feel they have silenced many voices?"
If the negatives could, they'd probably already have killed off most people in the Exopolitics scene, including several members on this board. Maybe The OutPost is just not yet ripe to be brought down or they just don't yet have the time to do so at the moment.

I think i'll take a break from littering your thread with thousand-word mammoth posts.

Neuru

04-07-2012, 06:40 PM

Just occurred to me that I misunderstood this part:

She told me my future would change once she had left. She persuaded me that I might not last a number of more years in my worsening conditions.
So that your health conditions would have worsened if you would have opted for her to stay - not if you two parted ways. I mistakenly thought the contrary (i.e. that your health is supposedly worsening), thus the part about asking not to be taken as "emotionally distant".

Fore

04-08-2012, 03:35 AM

Hello Fore,thought I would drop in and read some of your material.

Why do you believe this ET group was so against the material at Open Minds?............."Was it just your material they didn't care for or was it much more than that?" Different ET said different things.

The main reasons I heard from the last replacement group was that they didn't want people to "find" my material or the discussions related to it in the near future. They also stated that the forum "Open Minds" was the sort of keywords that they would expect people to look into when they make themselves known.

They stated they didn't want people seeking an alternative discussion to wind up finding Open Minds Forum.

They stated they didn't appreciate the circumstances surrounding my involvement.

One of these told me that my high status at OM gave me "the appearance of credibility" and they demanded I remove my title. I obviously said no.

When I went to warn the others privately, things "came up" and it went down a road which led to all of the above being fulfilled one way or the other (with or without me being on board). Obviously, I don't need to say it to you, but if you refuse the ET, they will find a way.

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The only way you can refuse them and hamper their progress is if you go out of your way to expose their plot and point it out. Which is what I did. Knowing that it would slow them down.

They were....beside themselves. I pointed out as many angles as possible leaving them with almost nothing to work with.

They day after I wrote about 5 or 10 different ways the ET could proceed after I had stepped down (publicly), the forum was hacked. (surprise?)

The ET apparently found "a way". Knowing the time frame from my stepping down to the act is way too close for comfort I knew the ET intended to frame me.

I was asked questions, as obviously I became the one and only suspect. I answered questions honestly and all and added that it was probably the ET. Of course, no rational person would take that at face value. Not even I would if that kind of thing went down.

Some eventually believed me, though the suspicions were very likely seeded. One person in a high position at OM took the seed planted and went about accusing me with it.

It escalated in it's own way and made a major rift.

They (The ET IMO) used what was pre-existing in the hearts of various people to make things happen.

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OM 2 suffered the same fate. But not before I put my foot down once again and declared openly on this very thread that I would no longer hold to any promises I made to the ET.

I decided would no longer pull my punches and I would reveal all I could. However I could. I would point to any and all evidences necessary to reinforce my accounts.

The forum went down for about a day, after Garuda Posted one copy of one of my threads and right about when I made my declaration. I joke with them every now and then if I am still the prime suspect. hehe

I planned to assist assist in the recovery of OM and as much of it's material as possible.

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A recent snapshot copy of OM went online a few days ago by other third parties. It went down offline once again after only a few days. The circumstances are not known as to why it is down.

Fore

04-08-2012, 04:26 AM

Do they now feel The OutPost is more to their liking? I don't know. No one has ever really commented on it.

............."Do they feel they have silenced many voices?" I never really witnessed any intent to silence any people. They only running contention is keeping people from seeing certain bits of information in a presentable form.

In all the years I have known these and other ET. The ET are seemingly content with the general idea of people speaking in these communities.

Confusion and confabulation runs wild in these communities aided by them. They made a large portion of it, experiencer by experiencer. What I have been told they don't like and object to are specific understandings coming out and general functional awareness.

Silencing specific people is not a main objective in the sea of noise [community] that I have been notified of. It does happen I suppose, but they generally take care of that long before they ever appear in the community.

They only watch every now and then for signs of a coherent symphony that reduces the noise level.

At least that was my general understanding anyway....

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People whom can bring people into a coherent understanding are far more dangerous in a sea of noise. Allowing them to see there is noise is just a symptom of what I have attempted to do. I am probably not the one to do that though. But I do know "how to" with all the training I have received (probably for a different purpose).

Though I have been told/ordered/instructed never to do that. Which is why I disobey.

Are they (ET Group) attempting to "Control" The OutPost as a tool to push a set agenda? There was a proposal floated by one humanoid woman.

She proposed to be my handler but in return she wanted control of everything I might say. The ET woman basically said I would be allowed to "show off" my abilities if she controlled the situation for the other ET and the information coming out of me.

I said no, not interested.

She told me at the time if I didn't agree to her terms the other ET would go further than they had in their treatment of me.

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If you read between the lines, she wanted to somehow replace the Advisor. To restart the nonsense and ultimately control what I said and didn't say.

I don't think they care about forums. I know they only care about the impact that words, lessons and ideas have.

I assume it is an "information" problem. Limiting what people can see and what they shouldn't ever understand.

Maybe I am assuming too much, but that is what I honestly think.

Fore

04-08-2012, 04:51 AM

It could be that the best course of action is to wait for all events to pass, most humans have been killed off and the negatives had left... then rebuild civilization. Unless this was one of the greys' lies, you and your kind are the ones chosen for that and you will get assistance from the Advisor's faction.

It may very well be that convincing people to side with the positive factions is already a lost cause -- since Disclosure will be about agreements with human leaders, which is mostly just talks -- and talking is something the negatives are very good at.

I wonder (but you may not want to answer this, seeing how you are threatened) if the threat of "burning the earth" means "destroying population centers" (cities that have a population above a certain number) or an all-out bombardment that would also include uninhabited or scarcely inhabited areas -- including e.g. villages, rainforests, mountain ranges with vegetation etc.

If the latter, the solution for anyone wanting to survive would be to simply pack up and stay in a remote location while the ET circus plays out.

Could it be that even the "burning the earth" scenario is an empty threat? The Advisor could have corroborated that it is genuine -- but it is possible that she was commanded by the greys' higher ups to do so and threatened to never tell you that it is a lie.

-------------------------------------------------- Before I answer your question. I want you to see something and then put that in perspective with what you have read in my previous accounts.

I want you to remember the words the Advisor used, the phrase-ology, etc. and tell me if you see any coincidences and parallels with her words and of this guy called Ashtar.

The video is a bit extreme in it's view. But I found myself laughing quite a bit with this guys cynicism. I share his kind of cynical views myself.

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I want to put you on the spot for a moment, and tell me, having read all that you have read in my accounts up until now....what do you think they would want to recover "the chosen for"?

I have been wondering what the point was of them coming and taking us. The Advisors version and account are that I was instructed to enter the awaiting craft if this scenario played out.

I have stated in the past (several years ago when I joined OM) that I thought this was like stepping into a room with strangers....not knowing what to expect. Not knowing if they are going to put you into a meat grinder etc.

After hearing this "ashtar" guys letter I have become ever more leary with one specific question:

What will the ET's do with all the pre-existing evidence left behind? All those people on earth whom would easily testify against them? (having been raped, prodded, abused, fooled etc)

Think deeply about that. How do you handle pre-existing notions of your existence?

Fore

04-08-2012, 05:20 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PUILGUQJ30

This is the video I refer to, it is the only segment I have seen so far.

I wonder if the "alien rapture" isn't intended to give people the [wrong] idea that they (the ET) have fulfilled one of the worlds great prophecies.

Furthermore, what (if you were them) would you do with all of these people in your possession whom have accounts that might testify against you?

If I put myself in the ETs shoes, I would either probably brainwash them. Or kill them and replace them with a duplicate clone whom has been prepared long in advance.

It makes me think back to the sporadic accounts I have seen of people whom claim when they are threatened that the ET sometimes show them a replica clone they have in stasis or storage and are then told they will be "replaced" if they do not comply.

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Other more positive accounts of people seeing a clone of themselves in stasis. Recount that the ET reassure them that if they die, not to worry, they have this body prepared for them to reincarnate to.

Of course there is no viable evidence I have seen that the ET can actually pluck someone whom is undergoing death at great distances. I have personally heard that they can transplant the consciousness of people into a different body. But that has only ever been in very close proximity as far as I have been aware.

I have never heard of them being able to perform this feat at great distances. I assume there clones are there for an entirely different purpose.....

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Fore

04-08-2012, 05:21 AM

Call me paranoid.

But if you go up....I bet you'll come down....a different person in this "False Rapture".

I'll use the new ager lingo of dimensions to explain what I think.

I think about it this way, if the Higher Order beings are like Ultra-Terrestial 10-D entities. They don't require craft and space ships to move about vast distances unless they need to carry someone human with a corporeal mass.

While the ET are more like 4D and 5D entities. Sort of like cheap imitations.

The 4D and 5D folk simply won't be able to pull off the same sort of "Rapture" that happens in a blink of an eye. They simply don't have that kind of power.

But a 10-D Ultra-Terrestrial might...in the blink of an eye.

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So if these ET are trying to fool mankind (which is 3D) with their advanced 4D and 5D technology, they will have to be more pragmatic about it. Creating a "false rapture" on Earth of those people they call their "chosen" might be a plot to simply eliminate their own.

The question I raise is if it is done by coercing them or is it simply replacing them?

Will the ones whom come back be the same one whom were picked up? When you can pull someones consciousness out of ones body as many experiencers have noted OBE style abductions, it sounds unlikely they will leave the originals intact. There is just too much riding on it.

It sounds like it'd be easier to dispose of the originals and replace them with fake look alike clones. With ET consciousness inside of these replica bodies. Otherwise how certain could they be that thousands of people could be convinced that they are the real deal? It sounds pretty unlikely that you'd be able to hit a 100% success rate if you shoot the odds by using the original contactee and abductees....

I know I would never be convinced without uber good evidence....hell....how could I ever be convinced after having seen what I have already seen?

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Furthermore, I wonder if the rumors of a fake ET war plan, is actually the unified ET groups disposing of it's no longer needed Grey worker bees. In a fake war you just order them to pretend to be attacking and then discard of them publicly.

Hooray, the good guys won, right? (hehe)

Otherwise how could you convince those in the various world religion that there was a victory if there is no enemy?

This may also explain why humanity is foretold to join forces with "the fakes" (sort of) to make war against certain regions on Earth and against other descending powers.

Many thoughts crossing my mind after watching that video.

norenrad

04-08-2012, 07:01 AM

Fore

04-08-2012, 09:08 AM

Such a plot would be realised as fake by most Christians. Jesus isn't coming to kill grays, he's coming to stop TPTB from destroying Israel. It won't be dead grays lying about, but rather dead humans.If I take that view and extend it:

If "they" appear in the sky regardless, I guess Christianity and possibly the other two attached religions are immediately out of gas. It will quickly be reguarded the "fool's" belief system.

As soon as the ET provide a sample of blood the whole idea of being straight forward spirits or demons will disintegrate among a believing populace. I am pretty sure confusion will reign far and wide as large masses of people attempt to re-analyze what this means in terms of faith.

Having been proven they are flesh and blood...prophecy will immediately [give the likely appearance of being] derailed and become invalid. Null and Void. What was once promised never "manifested" or "happened".

Perhaps there will now be enough room to curtail all former beliefs systems on Earth and form a new one. All former believers will probably be shunned as fools in foolish beliefs. Priests, Rabbi etc, will come on TV and denounce their former belief or risk being seen as fools or frauds.

The policies that support societal freedom of belief will almost assuredly disintegrate. People will,l I imagine, be ashamed as others laugh and jeer at "the few" whom still continue their prayer and beliefs. The laws and boundaries of freedom of belief will be re-evaluated in front of the ET. I imagine they will be watching with silent bemusement (No doubt in my mind).

The question then becomes is "God" wrong about all the rest? Who is "God"? Does he come in a space ship that I can see with my eyes?

Like a cracked glass that has been shattered, the ET...I imagine, will take the opportunity to assert with world leaders that the perpetuation of "belief" is still good, but it must be remodeled to new recommendations. Otherwise a society may no longer object to fear of immoral behavior.

One of the biggest questions of Mankind will have probably have been answered definitively. The role of death, life, mortality, morality and ethics on Earth will likely be redefined. No doubt the ET will have a front row seat to injecting those new values.

Mankind will probably look over the new values and see that it is flexible enough for their liking and agree that these are the new rules.

People whom still hold to the old rules will very surely be mocked and their protests make them the outcasts of mankind.

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ET: Oh well, you know, there were disputes and such, in the past resulting in many beliefs being handed down. But no worries, we are here now to set the record straight. Actually there is one among us that is surely above all of us. <cue the Anti-Christ>

<through 3.5 years later: I am "God". I am the Elohim. I created you.> [etc.]

Anti-Christ: Whoot? The central religious capitols of Earth won't fully accept "my authority" as I encroach on their authority? The authority is mine I made them. Kill the rebellious immediately, we have spoken enough on this. Declare them enemies of mankind. They are no longer a part of this world. <begin purge>

<informant steps in, whispers something>

Anti-Christ: What, the East mobilizes against our authority and gives them weapons to stand their ground?
This is a fight for humankind to prove itself. You know the truth, so go out and do what I command.

As the human commanders move with their armies to the capitols guess what happens next? (Armageddon)

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Anyway, my assumptions are probably totally false as no one except God can foresee the future with absolute accuracy. But you never know! I doubt the ET will stay concealed all an eternity.

All I do know is that I feel it is unlikely that "a mere man" will ever convince the world that he is God. Doesn't matter how charismatic he may be. As soon as he declares heavenly descent of any kind my BS alarm is in full swing. As I am sure alot of people will think the same. Even if it came from a "lowly" ET with amazing technology or supernatural powers and a glowing body....that is not even an inkling of the fullness of what God is. (IMO)

A mere man is going to have a hard time convincing the world of anything. Even if he uses "hypno-beams".

P.S. I wouldn't be at all surprised if there is a presentation of a council of several founders of each movement on Earth. Of which the Anti-Christ is probably just one.

mdonnall2002

04-08-2012, 10:15 AM

This is the video I refer to, it is the only segment I have seen so far.

I wonder if the "alien rapture" isn't intended to give people the [wrong] idea that they (the ET) have fulfilled one of the worlds great prophecies.

Furthermore, what (if you were them) would you do with all of these people in your possession whom have accounts that might testify against you?

If I put myself in the ETs shoes, I would either probably brainwash them. Or kill them and replace them with a duplicate clone whom has been prepared long in advance.

It makes me think back to the sporadic accounts I have seen of people whom claim when they are threatened that the ET sometimes show them a replica clone they have in stasis or storage and are then told they will be "replaced" if they do not comply.

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Other more positive accounts of people seeing a clone of themselves in stasis. Recount that the ET reassure them that if they die, not to worry, they have this body prepared for them to reincarnate to.

Of course there is no viable evidence I have seen that the ET can actually pluck someone whom is undergoing death at great distances. I have personally heard that they can transplant the consciousness of people into a different body. But that has only ever been in very close proximity as far as I have been aware.

I have never heard of them being able to perform this feat at great distances. I assume there clones are there for an entirely different purpose.....

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If you take into consideration any of the information that Mr. Jacobs has amassed regarding the Supposed Hybrid integration currently taking place on tera firma - I think he has came to the conclusion that the Hybrids are totally lacking in assuming a fully functional role as a human despite perfect appearances. Humans are still educating them (hybrids) as to the everyday tasks normal life brings here. They appear to be social buffoons.. Clones most likely would have the same issues, I would suspect?

Another possibility for the supposed clones may not necessarily be to reincarnate into, but primarily for replacement parts - in case of a life threatening situation occurs for one of those 'chosen', like yourself? Call it an insurance policy of sorts? Just thoughts....

It's nice to see you had some intention to Help bring back that which was lost in the border wars taking place in the souls of men. Redemption can sometimes be a difficult road to travel. Where was reincarnation of OM data?

Neuru

04-08-2012, 11:10 AM

Where was reincarnation of OM data?
http://lucianarchysoriginalopenminds.web44.net
No idea who set it up.

Fore

04-08-2012, 12:20 PM

If you take into consideration any of the information that Mr. Jacobs has amassed regarding the Supposed Hybrid integration currently taking place on tera firma - I think he has came to the conclusion that the Hybrids are totally lacking in assuming a fully functional role as a human despite perfect appearances. Humans are still educating them (hybrids) as to the everyday tasks normal life brings here. They appear to be social buffoons.. I believe there is something obvious that escapes most people.

That "being human" is a condition. From the way you think to the way people react to situations. it is all tied to the tight range of biology and the very narrow "mind type" that people are born with and what makes them "tick" the way they do.

Change any number of constant in a human being and their inner mechanisms change. The natural Environment is additive (IMO) to building that person up to the point that you can call them "human".

If you change anything in a hybrid that remains a constant throughout a wide variety of human beings, their internal reactions and external reactions changes.

I have little doubt that some of the hybrids are just as smart or (probably much) smarter than a common human being. Though their essence and capability is different, the inner mechanisms probably are going to change. They probably don't have the same kind of development cycle.

God only knows how easily they relate to each other. If they are anything like the ET, they probably relate much better than the average human being (my wild guess).

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The problem that is obviously creeping in their inapt behaviors (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inapt) are when people attempt to compare apples and oranges. Making a hybrid that acts and thinks as a human being would is probably as difficult as asking an ET to play act as if they were a human being. Even they do a terribly passable job.

I wouldn't be very surprised if the hybrids miss some of their marks as an actor pretending to be something they are not. Especially if the human being assumes they have the same internal reactions and constants that build up in the minds to situations faced in their environment.

For example, if you ever meet an ET or a hybrid [if they can pass as a human] invite them into rough and dirty bar where the operating manners are varied and diverse or simply non-existent. LOL, should be pretty hilarious to watch as they miss the mark dozens of times.

If they are anything like their ET counterparts it will be pretty obvious that they are out of place. Their looks are the least of their problems. I suppose depending on their other non-human skills they might be able to adapt quickly as to what is expected in such a situation. Perhaps not.

Some accounts depict hybrids as being adept with understanding the human sphere of conscious design and the various modal aspects of the human condition.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006899306021342

Clones most likely would have the same issues, I would suspect? Depends on various factors I think.

Whether or not they are "dry clones", as in there is no soul attached to the biology...or its soul was isolated and removed. Any proper ET can either embed themselves "into it" as if they were getting into a biological space suit.

Depending on how many hours of experience they have in performing tasks within a human corporeal body and how well they imitated human behavior. They could pass you in the street and theoretically you shouldn't notice.

If they have only a few hours of experience with that kind of body, they would probably have poor motor control or dysfunctional issues such as poor bladder, bowel control, respiratory issues or basic hand eye coordination and speech control.

I am pretty sure if you look into it you will find cases of a poor ET handling a human body in the wrong way with little experience. That and they sometimes leave their extension turned on for comforts sake as I was told.

Never seen it in real life, but from the way the story was told it sure sounded funny and plausible.

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There is also remote control of a biological husk rather than full body immersion. The ET's sometimes control biological robots remotely [allegedly] and biological bodies embedded with hardware you can't see with the unaided human eye. Both technological hardware made of matter and non-physical hardware.

Not supposed to tell you that. But who cares....

Another possibility for the supposed clones may not necessarily be to reincarnate into, but primarily for replacement parts - in case of a life threatening situation occurs for one of those 'chosen', like yourself? Call it an insurance policy of sorts? Just thoughts.... Could be.

Though, I have never been offered such an "insurance plan". They told me if I died they would notice the incident from afar but they would be precluded from intervention.

So I guess my former ET health care plan leans heavily on preventive medicine. (get the joke?hehe)

I don't believe in that whole "Chosen" poop story. I see it as simply an invention. Though their interest is not an invention it must be for some specific reason.

Miriam Delicado was injured a while back in a car accident. I do not recall any accounts of anyone of an ET persuasion rushing to her aid.

Neuru

04-08-2012, 03:04 PM

norenrad

04-08-2012, 06:01 PM

... how does someone avoid becoming a lost soul? Whom should one call upon and how?

My belief is that it isn't "whom", but "who" and the answer to your question is found in the New Testament, I think Fore agrees.

Fore

04-09-2012, 01:18 AM

@Fore: Your posts have been most insightful and elucidating -- thank you for typing them up.

I know about the threats with "replacement humans" (clones), and the account in Katharina Wilson's book of ETs preparing bodies for certain people (souls of their own kind) to reincarnate into. I also remember that when the Advisor put you through the simulation of these mass pickups, she intentionally depicted the aliens in the ships as Greys, all the while saying that the greys are just there for the simulation and if the supposed "real" evacuations happen, they won't be greys but people of her own kind. So this was her signalling that the whole promise of evacuation is a sham. She wanted me to step onto an awaiting craft IF it ever happened.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't since I don't know what truly awaits me.

If anyone were to go in blind into that kind of situation with only sheer promises and no verified information....well they probably deserve whatever happens next.

I'll check out the video you posted.

Now, instead of asking you to disclose information about the workings of psychic abilities that certain outer-space evildoers are so paranoid about and want to prevent the spreading of this relevant knowledge at all costs, there is something else that ordinary humans (i.e. myself) may be better off learning and it would be more prudent of them than toying around with something they're not even supposed to know of -- and I'd like to ask you just about this:

Some will live to take part in these coming wars. Only God knows who these people will be -- they are the ones that chose, before incarnating, to live such a life. However, mostly everyone starts out an incarnation with spiritual amnesia. Now, a lot of people will die in the coming cataclysms, and if I'm correct, dying means that your interconnect separates from the physical body, so you'll be catapulted to the astral plane, which, in non-new age lingo, is the "mirror universe". Catapulted? Hmm, part of you is already immersed in influence space. Otherwise you would have next to no psychic ability whatsoever over your environment.

Kyle Griffith's book War in Heaven [link] (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57087428/WarInHeaven1988-DL09.doc) is a book that does not have a "10D" perspective, more like a 4D or 5D one. One should also be wary of taking it in without criticism (itself a bad idea in general) as it is a channelled book. In short, a great part of it is about the so-called "Theocrats" -- non-physical beings that feed on souls. These beings set up fake "heavens" in the astral realms and try to lure the souls of recently deceased believers in there so they can drain their souls of their astral energies (i.e. eat up the Influence that composes their interconnects) and thus indefinitely avoid having to reincarnate. I heard of something like that from different sources including montalk.

I have never witnessed an ET taking influence in that sort of manner. I was told that my influence is patterned a certain way that makes it incompatible with various ET life forms.

Everytime I used over-extended activations they used to cringe. It would cause them pain. The Grey Males also allowed me to observe their fields closely and the standard Grey pattern is toxic to a human pattern. The Advisors was the most compatible but somewhat incompatible. There were overtones in her patterns designs that clearly aren't human.

The only entities I have witnessed trying to absorb my human patterns are the Demons, the regular spiritual ghosts, and phantoms whom work for Demons. They appear to be the only group that requires influence which they do not seem to self-produce.

If there is such an activity as you described, I am not aware of it at this time. <shrug>

As much fun as that can be (especially if you're a Theocrat yourself), I'm not exactly interested in wandering around in this mirror world and meeting discarnate entities, no matter how great and entertaining fellows they are. So, assuming it's in the power of someone who has recently died, how can someone go straight to the place where they get to evaluate their previous life and plan their next one? I.e. how does someone avoid becoming a lost soul? Whom should one call upon and how?I suppose you would first have to evalutate who is supposed to do the evaluation.

My views is the following:

I view the Higher Order beings as messengers/administrators/moderators/guardians.

If you assume that everything that can happen already has already happened in the grand scheme of things, then you should readily assume that someone "out there" has already resolved every single problem and made a place for themselves. Sort of like the 10-D inhabitants in new age speak.

They have several dimensions all for themselves. Like a timeless Eternity. No longer requiring spaceships or technology that we would recognize at our level of development.

Except in this "Higher Order" Entities society they tell people like me that they have a founder and God above them whom had fashioned together all of known creation. A being whom is perpetual and never began nor ever ended. They didn't create any of the higher realities nor the lower ones. They simply live there.

They also Administer the transference (death/life) between the lower levels of formed realities. Like the 3D reality and world we live in.

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So if you take that into perspective, then probably calling out to the source of everything is probably the way to go if your dying. Though this God has rules that not everyone agrees with.

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If you look through the accounts some of the Higher Order entities have left behind and the Source itself has gone out of it's way to make it known....then you should also beware of the populations that were ousted from the timeless "Eternity" and have had to fend for themselves.

Building matter-based technologies and designs in their struggle to prove themselves right and exerting their own intent.

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I think one day the castouts from Eternity will be allowed to openly set foot on Earth in front of the 3D population. Asserting their dominance over us and likely fooling everyone of us (that can be fooled) to further isolate us from the inhabitants and the Source of Eternity.

When the 10-D inhabitants come down and predictably witness the 3D inhabitants with their pants between their legs and having celebrations and parties....I don't think it will go down well with the Source. Not even "dying" is going to separate us from their oversight and scrutiny.

(I wrote the above in "new age lingo", so as to press the point in a more "acceptable" sense)

Fore

04-09-2012, 01:37 AM

I would also like to state that the biggest things that can fool and win over people of a 3D disposition is proposing the act of controlling nature or the idea that someone can control reality.

We are already aware of technology. But many of us are not aware of the level of technology that the 4D and 5D folks possess.

If you can fool people even of a modern age and disposition that you can control nature itself and do some low level tricks like manifesting changes in reality or pretending to bring people back from the dead. You can pretty much win over anyone on this Earth.

In the end, they don't know any better. ;)

epo333

04-09-2012, 12:29 PM

Now here is some propaganda, must be monitoring this thread.

http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/alien-invasion/xxf5gut?from=sp%5een-au&src=CPPlayer%3aposterframe%3atitleBar%5elink%3auui ds

Ha, there goes our tactical plans...:biggrin2:

pontificator

04-09-2012, 01:50 PM

@Fore, you were right, the source is really, really, really odd... "That was your will, not mine", I'm slightly embarrassed to say that I forgot what it was in reply to... However, it's had a very interesting effect, I've found that I'm able to override a lot of things now, mainly by utilizing that insight which was provided. Essentially from what I've found there is a lot less predetermination going on than I thought, or at least I seem to have been given a lot of leeway to simply override any apparent inevitability myself with a battering ram lately. I do like the cool way you absolutely know who's commenting at the time, and it's one of those things that you have to experience to understand [unfortunately; it'd be great to explain it better.]

Now, Fore, I think you could do a great service by teaching how any psychic, magician, or person aspiring to be could disrupt any communication between hybrids during a public event. Think of it as a parting gift to your tormentors ;)

Neuru

04-09-2012, 02:32 PM

Catapulted? Hmm, part of you is already immersed in influence space. Otherwise you would have next to no psychic ability whatsoever over your environment.
I just meant "catapulted" in the sense of "ejected from the physical body". So never mind.

When the 10-D inhabitants come down and predictably witness the 3D inhabitants with their pants between their legs and having celebrations and parties....I don't think it will go down well with the Source. Not even "dying" is going to separate us from their oversight and scrutiny.
Those people who took the time to read your accounts (threads) and believe that your experiences are genuine will probably not be among the crowd that cheers for the arrival of our benevolent space brothers and sisters (haha). Once they "land" here, they'll probably start doing psychic scans to locate these people and make them their first targets to be eliminated -- whatever the method of elimination will be.

The only entities I have witnessed trying to absorb my human patterns are the Demons, the regular spiritual ghosts, and phantoms whom work for Demons. They appear to be the only group that requires influence which they do not seem to self-produce.
Yeah, according to that book these alleged "Theocrats" used to be humans so our influence type is compatible with them. They just don't want to reincarnate and so they feed off others.

Now, since you'll be soon going, there's one more thing i'd like to ask -- though i'll be ashamed if the answers for it are already written out in detail in your Blog (which i haven't got around to reading) or can be deduced from other sources. Would just like to know if the Higher Order Entities you've spoken with have an official stance on this:

Pontificator posted the "hierarchy" diagram (Interaction.jpg) back at the beginning of the thread. It shows how one's actual consciousness is not embedded within reality and that the Higher Mind Complex is basically its mirror copy inside reality. So that would imply everyone with a Divine Spark is actually outside reality (every consciousness is an individuated fragment of God) and just immerses several levels of avatars inside reality (higher mind, interconnect, physical body). Of these, an ordinary boring 3D human only perceives the physical body.

So, my question would be: If the interconnect/psychic body is destroyed, what happens to the spiritual consciousness? My (uneducated?) guess would be that it would "wake up" -- this is also called the "second death", the death in the astral realm, when the soul evaporates. Well... where would it wake up? How would it go about creating a new interconnect? Would a person (a spiritual consciousness, to be exact) who "dies" in the astral lose its sense of self, its individuality? Would its spiritual evolution be aborted? Guess not, since s/he is not even there, inside reality, to begin with.

Again, thank you for your replies. They are very much appreciated.

Btw. in case you thought that, no, I don't subscribe to any sort of new age belief.

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@Pontificator: Do you plan on continuing work on this manual on influence once Fore has left?

pontificator

04-10-2012, 01:53 AM

@Pontificator: Do you plan on continuing work on this manual on influence once Fore has left?I'll keep working on it regardless of whether Fore is here or not, but I do prefer Fore to be around to counter-balance things, as it prevents me going off on an inaccurate tangent. I was also interested in a more comprehensive look at the various influence structures that could be created, typical operating methods to get them functional etc. Additionally typical alien influence operating methods would offer some insights, as I suspect many of their systems could be readily adapted or emulated. Without that level of detail I'm left with semi-educated guesswork, although it has a tendency to be scarily accurate at times.However, I won't be conducting any large field trials with trainees, or activating people on request. They can do that themselves, if they are capable. I can, however, offer advice and guidelines on various things [If someone wants to test a specific ability, and needs a target, then I am available on request. I'm always interested in seeing what happens to what I already have.]*mutters* Of course, if Fore has to go, then there will be nothing preventing me working on a "How to give your Alien "friends" a very bad day" handbook. Things like "how to disrupt paralysis, and make your Grey handler grimace" would be a good start ;)

Fore

04-10-2012, 02:19 AM

I am going to answer several of your questions at once. Though, right now I am feeling that strange feeling in the back of my mind that makes me feel weirdly bad. I get that feeling when I feel I want to say or explain something but know that I am somehow not supposed to.

First of all you need to understand why you can control influence. What the sensation of intense influence is, and what really differs when you exert more influence control vs less.

I will have to write in very short bursts as I feel strangely bad. As if a big sensation is building inside me that blocks my attempts at in depth explanations. It is discomforting and in a sense painful at times.

Fore

04-10-2012, 02:23 AM

I am going to use analogies since you have to build up your understanding up to a point where you can understand the full complexity. So you have to be fed watered down milk before you can go on the meat (sort of LOL).

To make sure you are understanding the right concept I will ask everyone short questions that require thinking. Try to be as analytical as possible rather than flighty in your responses. You need to be able to get to the point where you can answer your own pre-existing questions and raise new inferences and deductions on your own.

Fore

04-10-2012, 02:35 AM

Lets talk about intensity.

Why does your perception of influence sometimes waiver between feeling dense and intense vs feeling weak and barely perceivable.

The main reason is either the range of influence you perceive or it is the amount of control you exert on other influence.

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Imagine a "square" area on the table in front of you of about 1 x 1 feet. Lets imagine it is looks like a chess board. With black and white squares inside.

In this simple imagining you are going to assume that this chess board (without the pieces) is the froth of "influence space".

http://i41.tinypic.com/30uq1qh.png

Froth = the inconsistency of "influence space".

Fore

04-10-2012, 02:40 AM

The squares in this 1 x 1 foot region are supposed to represent the patches of influence at a size you can imagine easily.

If you put your hand over the square. You'll notice that the white and black blocks will change their polarity and shift slightly.

When you actively exert influence control over any object or area, you are flipping those colors to either black or white in unison. Rather than there being an even number of white and black blocks in "influence space", one color becomes dominant.

Fore

04-10-2012, 02:53 AM

In real life though, the squares are infinitesimally small.

Trillions or more could probably fit into that tiny 1 x 1 foot area. But for simplicities sake lets make the size of squares fairly large.

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Right now we have been working with black and white squares only. But in real life in the analogy of squares; you would have more polarities that can be imagined. Lets represent it as having multiple colors.

In real life, your psychic structures can only "flip" a very small range of these colors. (at least on a natural setting)

Out of most of the colored squares in this 1 x 1 foot "influence space". Only a small number of squares will actually change when you exert influence over them. Most of these squares will be largely or totally unaffected by your personal influence coming off your body.

Fore

04-10-2012, 03:08 AM

The reason why you influence will not flip most of these other ranges is because most of these other ranges of colors represent physical processes and constants in space and time.

These larger "color ranges" within "influence space" are pre-encoded to represent normal space and time functions. (Electricity, static, strong and weak nuclear forces etc.)

As a lower level psychic you should only posses interconnect structures (psychic structures) that affect your own specific ranges of influence. Any other ranges are (at first) nearly outside of it's influence programming.

Your interconnect is per-programmed and designed to perform specific tasks, nothing beyond that. On top of that, it is designed to work inside your body at very low intensities.

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Important note: "Psychics" by definition, alter this performance range intentionally. In order to affect the "influence space" environment, they intensify their volume of natural influence production to very intense levels. Well beyond what their influence based interconnect was originally designed to normally handle.

Interconnect = The various network of psychic attachment points inside the body of a person.

They also attempt to affect non-physical programming in the "influence space" environment around them. That is the how and why they end up manifesting various abnormal changes in their environment.

They strive to intensify their output and in the end attempt to affect the programming in the environment around them.

Fore

04-10-2012, 03:24 AM

Some Advanced psychics, after injecting excessive amount of influence throughout their bodies, develop secondary structures.

These structures reside on the outside of their body and are "safer" than using the ones inside their body. These exterior structures are better suited at flipping a wider range of influence polarity types.

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For example, if you go back to the 1 x 1 foot chess board simulation with a wide range of colors. The novice newbie with internal structures might be able to flip a tiny fraction of the squares and bring it under his or her control.

The more advanced practitioner will be able to flip a large and wider variety of different polarities as well as exert much more intensity in doing so.

As the advanced practitioner has external structures, they reside on the outside of the body, it is therefore "safer" to exert more extensive control over a wider range.

I assume these external structures will not be as preprogramed for the human body as internal structures. They are more flexible and not immersed within the body. Therefore the affects on internal chemistry and internal physics of the body will not be as affected.

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Next comes the explanation on what exactly defines the "intensity" of psychic phenomena and "ESP resolving" abilities.

Fore

04-11-2012, 04:53 AM

Double post, please delete.

Fore

04-11-2012, 05:06 AM

For example,

If you have a newbie vs someone with experience in affecting a 1 x 1 foot region.

http://i41.tinypic.com/30uq1qh.png
An previous example of influence space "froth patterns".

The Newbie (under usual circumstance and standard applied techniques) will only be able to bring a very small portion of the "froth patterns" in "influence space" under his or her control.

The Experienced person on the other hand is more likely to have a greater number of options to bring a greater portion of the froth of polarities under their control and therefore their exercise of control should be greater.

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Most psychics "perceive" the froth of influence space as either oscillating "colors" or as oscillating "vibrations". This has more to do with how their psychic structures connect to their brain (lower mind). It is typically set up to process ESP information that is injected into their physical mind through peripheral functions in their brain anatomy rather than something totally objective.

I personally tend to perceive of ESP information as "patterns" in only one setting. I have been trained by the ET on how to change the presentation of information to different formats depending on flexible necessity.

So while most psychics are stuck in one or a few choices of perceiving presented ESP information in their cognition. I can control the higher components which regulate and format the flow of information.

I had/have several different preferences for different psychic tasks.

Both on the perception end of the process and/or the control aspect to regulate the formation and control of psychic phenomena.

Fore

04-13-2012, 10:23 PM

I just meant "catapulted" in the sense of "ejected from the physical body". So never mind.

Those people who took the time to read your accounts (threads) and believe that your experiences are genuine will probably not be among the crowd that cheers for the arrival of our benevolent space brothers and sisters (haha). Once they "land" here, they'll probably start doing psychic scans to locate these people and make them their first targets to be eliminated -- whatever the method of elimination will be. I think it is safe to say that they have already done that extensively.

In a D-Day scenario wherein the ET's descend (or should I say...simply make themselves officially known to the public?) they will likely already have all the angles covered. If you emit a high series of psychic emissions, then that will likely contrast with your surroundings. Meaning you'll probably stand out in an audience from their (ET) point of view.

Lets says they level the earth flat with their own versions of nuclear weaponry.

The likelihood is (in my mind) fairly high that any living thing that can form complex psychic expressions and emanations will be easily spotted. Frankly, (IMO) short of some other high technology culture or supernatural force intervening to hide those psychic emissions you and anyone else emits. You are likely to be spotted.

Any collection of human beings whom reside close enough together for varying periods of time will usually form a mesh of basic unconscious psychic exchanges. (Small "Noospheres" )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere

If you have ever seen photos from a satellite that depicts the earths city light as viewed from space, then imagine an ET imaging device that can detect structured conscious emanations from high above.

http://thecontaminated.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/earthatnight-europe.jpg

Most of the humanoid nordic types readily (and rather openly) admit to having that kind of technology. Though they try to dress that admittance in terms of new age observations.

Most people whom have gleaned ideas spread far and wide by various ET think that when the various ET groups talk about the proposed "levels of existence above ours" that they are actually talking about "dimensions".

If you look a bit more closely, most of them are actually describing the invisible extensions and structure(s) that exist to any advanced consciousness. Some ET's apparently like to portray various types of misinfo on purpose. Why is somewhat of a mystery to me.

Perhaps it has to do with future promises they don't intend to keep?

Fore

04-13-2012, 10:57 PM

Now, since you'll be soon going, there's one more thing i'd like to ask -- though i'll be ashamed if the answers for it are already written out in detail in your Blog (which i haven't got around to reading) or can be deduced from other sources. Would just like to know if the Higher Order Entities you've spoken with have an official stance on this:

Pontificator posted the "hierarchy" diagram (Interaction.jpg) back at the beginning of the thread. It shows how one's actual consciousness is not embedded within reality and that the Higher Mind Complex is basically its mirror copy inside reality. So that would imply everyone with a Divine Spark is actually outside reality (every consciousness is an individuated fragment of God) and just immerses several levels of avatars inside reality (higher mind, interconnect, physical body). Of these, an ordinary boring 3D human only perceives the physical body. Pretty much spot on in terms of my understanding of it.

"It shows how one's actual consciousness is not embedded within reality..."

I imagine that most people will find it hard to understand why this is true. I think the confusion is built around their personal knowledge of being a biological person. If you ask someone whom they are they will usually point to their body or their personality or their knowledge as a person.

The more spiritual orientated type of answer most people will give is that they are their soul and not their body. While others will say they don't believe they are anything more than a body. (the minority)

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In reality their soul is not "anywhere" in spacetime. It is not here nor there relative to their biological body. Their interconnect made of influence is similarly not (in simple terms) an atomic mass which you can point to and say it is "here".

Though it is co-located in the mirror reality (influence space) right inside their body.

Only a persons body is physically referenced in spacetime. It has a definite position and mass.

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Only ET (and the like) can take a living beings interconnect and basically perform a type of surgery. A transplant to be more specific. Disconnecting the interconnect from one biological body and reconnecting it to another different biological body.

Through those same methods they can also seemingly induce an O.B.E. in people.

Fore

04-13-2012, 11:11 PM

So, my question would be: If the interconnect/psychic body is destroyed, what happens to the spiritual consciousness? I suppose with the body being destroyed and the interconnect (intermediary spiritual tech) also being destroyed the spiritual consciousness "wakes up"?

Honestly I do not know. I can only speculate as I never really discussed what spiritual consciousness would be like. I supposed it would be like a full blown N.D.E..

As opposed to wandering year after year like a ghost whom is only half aware of the mirror environment with it's interconnect malfunctioning without a body with varying lucidity.

My (uneducated?) guess would be that it would "wake up" -- this is also called the "second death", the death in the astral realm, when the soul evaporates. I supposed you could call that the "second death". Though I think that may be like 1.5 hehe?

I have assumed that drying the second death is more like the spiritual consciousness of a person literally dies. It unravels and ceases to exist.

If you lost your body and your interconnect (and didn't get an invitation to Heaven) then I guess you would lose your sense of time and be surrounded by an endless void where you perceive nothing. Without an interconnect the physical world would be pretty much impercievable, I suppose.

Fore

04-13-2012, 11:49 PM

Well... where would it wake up? How would it go about creating a new interconnect? I don't believe a soul has the capability to create one. Though I could be wrong about that? <shrug>

I currently assume the Higher Order Entities make them and integrate them into the spiritual consciousness and the body it will inhabit.

I have only heard the ET talking about modifying a pre-existing interconnect and placing artificial created pieces between the host body and the interconnect. But I don't know if they can create one out of thin air.

Technically the more advanced inter-dimensional ET could transfer from body to body by constantly re-adapting the interconnect. Like throwing away the old biological body once when it gets worn out. I suppose it is possible for them to technically persist beyond old age.

a person (a spiritual consciousness, to be exact) who "dies" in the astral lose its sense of self, its individuality? I do not know.

I only know that when ghosts start to run out of influence ti keep their interconnect going without a physical body, their level of coherent cognition degrades. Like a person with a chronic disease their cognition is deeply affected as is their peripheral perception of what is happening around them. They lose their perception of time, their ability to hear or see events. It's sorta like your watching someone with a case of Alzheimer with spontaneous coma or catatonic like responses sprinkled in between.

They are with you one day, and the next they are seemingly not all that alert or aware of what is going on around them. The ghosts that absorb regular doses of influence emanated by the living appear to maintain a steady level of awareness and perception of the environment around them.

Their perception of the mirror universe significantly degrades if they don't find ways of absorbing [compatible] living influence patterns.

Would its spiritual evolution be aborted? Guess not, since s/he is not even there, inside reality, to begin with. If their interconnect stopped working and their body died, I suppose either:

A) their spiritual mind takes over

or

B) They become dormant without realizing the passage of time in our physical reference frame.They would essentially be in a perpetual unaware state. Like the state you go into just after you fall asleep and just before you start to dream. Hardly anyone remembers the passage of time between those two points.

Believe it or not, some of the ghosts even learn how to peak into the future by a few hours to a handful of days in the future. Though there aren't that many I have seen that can do that.

Neuru

04-14-2012, 10:52 AM

Thank you Fore for the in-depth answers.

Neuru

04-15-2012, 02:35 PM

Hmm... FWIW, for the last ~2.5 weeks I've been running influence through my body (that, or just deluding myself) regularly. Now, so far I've noticed a few things:

(1) In the last few days I have noticed that I very, very frequently see small specks of white or blue light appearing in my field of vision, staying there for a few seconds, then disappearing. I know there can be at least two biological bases for this, one of them would be a kind of phosphene [Wikipedia article here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene)], though i'm not sure if this can be classed as phosphenes -- it's not "full screen", just a few specks. On a regular computer screen they'd be the size of a couple of pixels.

Lemme clarify. On a clear day, look at the blue sky and you will notice a lot of squiggly "sparkles" flying around. This is called a "blue field entoptic phenomenon". These "sparkles" are actually lots of white blood cells swimming around in the capillaries in front of the retina and they become visible because they absorb blue light very well.

Now, some of what I see are like these, except they stay in place. Others are blue coloured (not bright, cyan-like blue, but "pure" blue). And some of them are "black" -- I notice them because they block out the slight visual noise I see when I close my eyes. Some of these "sparks" I see are crisp, others are "out of focus".

For the record, I know what "floaters" are like because I have been born with quite a few of those, and no, these are definitely not floaters. They're specks of light. Also, I know that these can be signs of a forming disease in the eye -- just like having bouts of "deja vu" (or more appropriately, what the subject perceives as deja vu) can also be a sign of a brain tumor or a latent proneness to epilepsy. The reason I post this up is that although I've occasionally seen "sparks" like these for, like, forever, there has been a definite increase in them in the past few days -- and this definitely coincides with practising. No idea how this is related to influence production or second sight, if at all.

(2) I've tried the psi ball test several times (once just before posting this). I tried forming it in my right hand, both with it resting on a surface and with it held in front of me. Now, last time when I "stabbed" the psi ball with a pen, I got something like an electric surge in the right palm. There were several centimeters (~1 inch) between the palm and the pen. Thinking that this could have been simply an air current (produced by rapidly moving the pen), I then tried stabbing the ball again but it did not work this time. However, moving it back and forth above the palm, i felt a weak force pulling on the pen.

(3) On and off, I've been sensing "density" around the point where the two eyebrows meet. I've seen references that this is a sign of the "third eye" being activated. Occasionally got little amounts of pain here.

Neuru

04-15-2012, 02:55 PM

I can only speculate as I never really discussed what spiritual consciousness would be like. I supposed it would be like a full blown N.D.E..
It could be a well kept secret. So that'd imply the "their spiritual mind takes over" option.

I have assumed that drying the second death is more like the spiritual consciousness of a person literally dies. It unravels and ceases to exist.
This could be as well what happens to a demon or very negative being who is "processed" by Higher Order Entities or who dies in one of the Void realms (Sheol/Tartarus) when their influence supply runs out or they get eaten up. My naive 3D assumption is that their memories and individuality get wiped and their divine spark just reintegrates into the "fabric" of consciousness every spiritual being is born from -- and "me" becomes "us" again, until the "spark" gets separated again. (You wrote about this "fabric" at the beginning of your previous thread.)

If that'd be the case then it is entirely possible that anyone who is presently a positive being (or has even graduated to a higher order level) had been a demon several times, they just don't remember it (not even spiritually) -- probably only God, the Source of everything remembers this. Anyway, to a lowly "3D" being this shouldn't even matter much.

pontificator

04-17-2012, 10:54 AM

Fore

04-17-2012, 01:45 PM

It isn't you imagination. I have noticed it too for a long time now.

There is somehow a series of triggers deep inside of me that is bothering me. Its a myriad of things:

--It is like as if there is an unconscious hesitation; an "avoidance" deep inside of me that doesn't want to talk about specific information even though I actually do.
--When I try to reiterate the information internally in its full depth I feel nothing abnormal. If I think of addressing it to whomever is listening it makes me feel uncomfortable though. Though when I think about the information without any intentions to tell anyone else, I have no problems with reiterating it to myself.
--Though when I think and plan as to whom I want to tell. The insides of my body suddenly feel colder like my internal body temperature has suddenly dropped? I feel shaky and start to shake/shudder physically and feel overtones in my mind cropping up as if instinctively or mentally reminds me that I "know" I am not supposed to do that.

I sometimes also feel sub-conscious worries that strike me as more than a bit odd.
These sub-conscious feelings and reminders play out in all sorts of ways.
--Some of it is the internal acknowledgement that for some reason if I talk about something they will come to get me, as in pick me up, and "remind me". A sort of persistent fear that is very deeply rooted inside me.
--Some of the subconscious ruminations that surface rarely are that I have strange reflective thoughts "popping up" inside of me. A part of me seems to want to make me aware I had been held in front of someone and that I have had something forced Into/onto me that makes me compliant. That rumination of a part of me reminds me that it is a subservient me from beneath the surface of my mind.

I have heard of those kinds of procedures from one Grey, though I do not recall ever having been subjected to any of it. I discard it when it happens as wishful thinking as I do not recall such a procedure.

It's almost as if you have been given a powerful hypnotic suggestion that in the end, effectively discourages specific behaviors. I don't know what to really think about it.

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I don't honestly feel any form of nervousness or any emotion attached to this response unless I associate it in some way with telling another person.

If I describe it objectively, It's almost like some kind of physiological response takes place underpinned by some silent overtures in the back of my mind. It makes me feel jittery as if I am somehow doing something "wrong"....even though I don't feel any emotions at the moment which tie into that feeling.

I don't think it is wrong to tell anyone what I know. I think some of the information is probably a bit shady to share with others because of what they could effectively do with it if they stopped for a second.

But I feel little or no remorse in telling anyone pretty much everything. With a few exceptions. (Though even as I say that, there is that tinge in the background of my mind that something I have said isn't completely true. And somehow, I feel that part of me is right, that feeling is somehow right?)

I guess there is something in my sub-conscious that is disturbing or impeding me. Though why is a mystery. Perhaps it is a case of conflicted feelings or something?

Honestly, I think it makes me pretty happy to share the information outright. I accept that people are going to sometimes get in over their head but that is their problem and they will have to figure out how to deal with those problems. <shrug>

Fore

04-17-2012, 02:21 PM

Perhaps I need to desensitize myself to the quiet aversion.

I want to talk about a story the Advisor once showed me in my mind about a project the ET had with Human beings on their optical invisibility in (I guess the 1960s). The story with the military guy in a photo holding on to what looked like a sawed off custom made gun mount.

The guy was wearing like pale colored 1950 or 1960-ish pants and shirt clothing you see in the movies from those days. In the background of the photo she imaged into my mind was what looked like a guy standing off in the distance with white hair observing him and the camera guy taking the photo.

The American guy handling the "tripod gun mount" was pointing. It was a metal tripod with a sawed off metal looking gun sight on it. Attached to the gun on the tripod was a bunch of pieces of glass that looked like prisms or pieces of glass.

The Advisor told me the story of how these people were field testing the weaknesses behind optical phasing with an alien craft in the distance. The project she said was about several different strategies to find weaknesses in the optical cloaking.

The Advisor said some ET had conceded to it and helped them to develop optical equipment and instruments that would make it more apparent when an optically invisible craft was close by.

She explained the optics recombined scattered light to make the anomalies stand out more. Anomalies that normally would not be as apparent or supposedly picked up in standard optics.

She claimed at the time that the project was a partial success but that the human beings had found little value in the project towards the end. She stated at the time that what came out of the project was the flight rules used by ET craft operating over the Amercan airspace. She had said the optics instrumentation and several different developments (she didn't specify) brought together the later rules that different ET abide by when flying over cities and towns.

She said the human eye acuity would only pick up on the phasing fields noise at a range of 900ft. She said all ET flight plans had to maintain a minimum and maximum altitude when flying over our airspace.

She explain that any closer to the ground and the distortions would become apparent enough to observers with their naked eye.

Fore

04-17-2012, 02:43 PM

I want to talk about how phasing fields can be used to optically limit the specific viewing angles of the ET craft as told by several Grey. You can supposedly only see an ET craft in specific phasing modes from a certain direction when they use this ~partial~ mode.
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For example, if they enable the proper mode, the craft will be visible right over the neighborhood they visit. But if you walk to next neighborhood over on the side you notice it seems to disappear as your viewing angle changes as they explained.

They also use this technique to be visible over a specific area but also limit radar returns.

The implication was that they could stand still in midair, yet activate the field like a shroud sideways [laterally] like a concealment. They supposedly then don't have to deal with certain phasing issues of moving back and forth between the ground and the immediate craft above them.

They also explained how the optical scattering works in principle in previous years.

They also explained that a radar signal can be absorbed without engaging in full optical invisibility. They also mentioned at the time how different people at specific vantage points can see the craft while others standing the next neighborhood over CAN see the light reflecting off the ground and buildings but not see the craft itself in the sky.

They describe the phasing configuration as camouflage.

I didn't believe nor accept this was really possible as it seemed far fetched when they explained it. But I saw a case that was dramatized in a TV program a few months ago. As I saw the events in the dramatization I began to realize that what they had "claimed" was actually something that was really put into actual practice.

Fore

04-21-2012, 10:11 AM

@Fore, Just want to point out something I've observed over the years. If you look carefully at the material we have so far, you will note that it has reached the same level of disclosure of ability usage that was reached at OM [that's a bit of a over-simplification, but you know where I'm coming from.]

So, the next thing is to see what happens if you try to write up the material that none of us have seen, including myself. I suggest putting it in a post, and then explaining it afterward, I'll be interested in seeing if it is possible to actually go beyond that apparent barrier.Okay, lets try this.

Psychic abilities and Interconnectedness. How "we" connect to each other and share information silently with one another.

Utilizing a psychic persons internal world and external sensory perception/cognition as if it were a full blown interactive interface.

Theory and Application. The results.
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How synchronized influence "froth" can be used to paralyze someones ability to control their body.

How randomly synchronized influence "froth" poses a difficult challenge for ET or other psychic to "lock on" and control a psychic system.

Randomly Synchronized influence "froth" (psychic static) used to block psychic observers. (Part A)

Reconfiguring your influence polarity and therefore Shifting influence "signatures" to fall outside the range of a psychic persons ESP perception threshold. (Part B) (Perceptual invisibility)

Weaknesses present in the strategy of Shifting Influence polarities. Inescapable and/or unmodifiable segments of an ET field. (Part C)

The partial solutions to ESP Perceptual "footprint" reduction. (Part C-1)

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Partial Torus-like Phasing of ET craft. Field of view advantages and disadvantages.

Diagrams on how ET low-level phasing works. The issues surrounding human eye acuity and "fuzziness" at short range distances.

Phasing synchronization. Limitations and issues with other "phased" environments.

Non-Phased Limitations and safety issues with ET craft in confined spaces. The structured conservation of energy: corona of heat, sounds, and radiation After-effects in specific environments and configurations.

Dangers, considerations and procedures on exiting and entering craft.

"Blue-Beam" directed environmental modeling and process procedures. (Non-spherical or contiguous phasing)

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Terrestrial ET Craft manufacturing vs Extra-Terrestrial vacuum manufacturing. The materials and the differences in purposes. Tethered vs untethered craft. Short range transport vs long range. Barebone use craft vs long term use craft. (2 tiered explanations with a Grey/Nordic explanation of different design necessities).

Technological craft recovery. Preventative procedures and the Technology strapped crafts.

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You tell me what other areas I can rack my brain in. At the moment that is what I have been thinking of discussing lately.

pontificator

04-21-2012, 10:59 AM

[probably a bit advanced] Probabilistic manufacturing, changing probabilities within a given set influence field to cause a set of events to occur in an unfolding fashion. Directly applicable to manufacturing using pre-programmed matter, as well as influence decay patterns.

Staged activation, the requirements to incrementally activate an individual from base level to fully activated [at least above 70%.]

Base level self-defence against influence level phenomena and entities. Pro-Active approaches to rewriting the influence field of an opposing force to produce a decay of entities abilities.

Identifying artificial influence patterns using wide-spread detection techniques, and how such techniques can be used to synchronize with said patterns.

Programming artificial influence structures for the purpose of ability augmentation, and the methods by which such structures can be made to perform self-maintenance. Leads directly to programmed entities.

pontificator

04-21-2012, 11:48 AM

Ahh, and there are a couple other important ones:

Mind partitioning for the purposes of communication and automated processes.
[ah hell, something just cut me off at the next one. It's not even on the tip of my tongue any-more.]
I suppose the next analogy that would fit with what I might have been thinking about would be an interconnection of minds for the purposes of creating an operating knowledge database on tap. Personally that's what I'd like to have gotten fully working with you, Fore, but I was never sure how well it worked.

Fore

04-21-2012, 06:32 PM

@ Pontif/Nuero

I mentioned earlier how in practice a psychic controls "influence space". Influence Space itself is more like a "froth" of a different ranges of influence. There are Billions of different polarities representing phenomena found in physical space.

We discussed how (by default) most psychics only have the capability to control a tiny range of this influence space spectrum. The specific reason for this is because your personal interconnect (embedded into your body) is designed to operate this way. It only manipulates a tiny and specific range of influence space to create that "aura" that is infused into your skin and bones.

Fore

04-21-2012, 06:42 PM

One of the various types of ET induced paralysis is caused when the ET approaches it's intended target.

When they put their hand or psychic attention unto you, they intentionally randomize (in a controlled and predictable way) the various ranges of influence that directly controls your body.

This psychic type of synchronized state changes (predetermined polarity flips) is predictable. It interrupts various processes in your interconnect as it overwhelms it with noise.

The person is simply paralyzed as the intent to control their own body is disrupted before it is "manifested in the brain " as a "moving your own body" directives. The ET can also trigger unconsciousness through this method.

Fore

04-21-2012, 07:00 PM

This all works on one basic principle though.

In the ET extending his effort to control the status of a foreign beings body and it's interconnect....he/she/it must know the current state influence patterns that represent the body.

READ VERY CAREFULLY FROM HERE ONWARDS. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC POINT.

The ET (or any psychic) can only affect influence (at a distance) by knowing what its currents state is at any given moment.

Via ESP:
--An ET has to know via ESP what they are specifically targeting.
--They have to know the targets current [influence] state in order to generate different types of influence that can effectively and remotely influence that present state to yet another state.

If you are reading very carefully at what I am writing then you should realize that it is nearly impossible knowingly affect influence effectively unless you know what you are dealing with. They have to look first, and determine the state, then influence that state into another.

If an ET does not know, they have to make an "educated guess" based on previous experience of what they do know about what they intend to influence.

If the remote "state of influence" in someones body is different than their guess, the influence they send off to control a specific "state of influence" will mus-match and largely fail to be effective.

Fore

04-21-2012, 07:21 PM

Keep in mind that with ESP perception there is a small lag time between when you determine the "state" of some influence at different levels of your consciousness and the actual attempt to manipulate it.

It could be a fraction of a second if your are an ET (when using standard techniques) or it could be a matter of minutes if you have an unskilled human psychic.

Imagine the chess board in earlier posts. Imagine that the human body is like a 3D chess board. Full of Black and White polarizations.

In this easy to understand example, In order to shift all white squares to black squares, you have to figure out which areas are polarized as white. Every time you incorrectly determine the correct polarity you will focus in on squares that are in the wrong polarity. This brings down your level of effective control with every miss match.

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The proper process should generally be:

1)First you emit influence towards "the target" and that influence interacts and merges with the body of someone. That mass of influence then reports back what is the status of each area of the remote targets body. Like a map.

2)That information is processed in the consciousness of the individual wishing to control or affect someone remotely. This takes a short lapse of time to become a coherent understanding. (Obviously for an ET this is about a fraction of a second. For a human being it may be significantly longer)

3)Counter Influence is either emitted towards the target to change the state of their field or the earlier ESP perceptual field is used to manipulate that targets field. Thereby immobilizing or knocking the target unconscious.

Fore

04-21-2012, 07:35 PM

Problem:

There is a lag time between 1 and 3.

If the human target randomly shifts the properties of their influence field at a very high frequency (as I did in my recounted abduction attempt), then there is a moment to moment mismatch of ET emitted influence.

Trying to "lock on" or exert control over an influence field that is randomly changing it's properties becomes very difficult.

By the time the next ESP perception is observed and processed by the conscious ET, the actual state of the influence field changes in the target.

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I didn't learn this on my own though, credit goes to the Advisor whom taught it to me as a "precaution" one day when no one in the group was observing. She told me if I ever was in such a situation where they attempted to take me by force I should do as she described. About a year or two later such an incident did occur and as the paralysis spontaneously emitted out of one Greys hands spread, I began doing what she instructed.

After only a number of seconds the ET lost control and seemed perplexed as we stared at one another. I got up and with some effort moved about freely until one of the other ET in charge of the process tried to regain control over the situation by attempting to push me into a sleep state. (unsuccessfully)

Fore

04-21-2012, 07:39 PM

If per chance you find it hard to believe.

Then recall that many whom come across aliens are paralyzed and they often lose control of their body or state of awareness. Some even lose control over their own thoughts processes and mind.

The more you understand about 1 through 3. The better off you are as it is an inescapable limitation to ET control methods.

Though I warn you, the higher up ET's can use different forms of control which can nullify even this advantage.

Neuru

04-22-2012, 11:47 AM

The Open Minds Forum mirror site is accesible now:

http://lucianarchysoriginalopenminds.web44.net/

(...who knows for how long it will stay this way.)

Neuru

04-22-2012, 01:02 PM

Edit: though it is not so hot... some sub-forums have only the first 1-2 index pages archived and some threads do not display at all -- their links throw you back to the main page.

@Everyone:
If you are interested in reading old threads, you should

visit http://archive.org/web/web.php (Internet Archive Wayback Machine)
in the URL field next to the Take Me Back button, enter one of these addresses:

http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/* (http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/*)
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/*
http://openmindsforum.com/* <-- note the asterisks after each of them, that is needed to list the contents

then browse away. It seems that the Wayback Machine had archived these sites separately. So if you don't find a thread under the first address, the second or third one may have a copy of it.
Most of the time, the normal displayed versions (the ones with the dark background) do not work beyond the first few pages. If you want to read complete threads, then after you clicked the "Take Me Back" button, enter print in the "Filter" field. Try this with all these three addresses listed above to see all archived printable versions.
Enter pdf or mp3 or pretty much any other extension, to see if there are any documents or other files archived (the main site had some of these and they are stored on the Wayback Machine as well).
You can also enter http://openmindsforum.com in the URL field next to the Take Me Back button to browse the front page of OMF (this was not the forum index, it was an informational site). The "Hot Forum Topics" links may be helpful. Also, some links lead to various versions of the forum index. Some of it is functional.

I apologize for going off topic but this may well belong here. Also, this post is not about discussing whether or not there was anything of value there, nor is it about determining which accusations made by third parties against that forum and its various members/administrators are true and which aren't. (That is none of my business.) It is about recovering content that is no longer online at its original address.

Fore

04-23-2012, 04:23 PM

The forum server seems to be on the fritz again.

Fore

04-24-2012, 10:53 PM

Edit: though it is not so hot... some sub-forums have only the first 1-2 index pages archived and some threads do not display at all -- their links throw you back to the main page.

@Everyone:
If you are interested in reading old threads, you should

@ Neuru

If you need a (probably) more complete [older/Younger?] copy, or perhaps a copy that fills in the gaps that are missing...feel free to contact me in private.

The versions being produced by CY are missing the encounters sections in their entirety and seemingly lots of pages in the actual threads. My threads were seemingly not crawled or (probably intentionally) deleted from that site.

Fore

04-25-2012, 12:52 AM

Before I move on to all the body of questions, I want to cover just a few more things.

The cognitive interface the ET use is similar to the one I use. They use a different implementation as far as I know. But the "methods" are fairly similar in design, principle and general functionality.

You should understand the essence of how they and I control our ability to use our psychic abilities. Rather than rehash the explanations I am going to go forward unto a designed implementation that is currently in use in people "like me". Take a look at this video. This is a Google project to develop an interface system that is seamless and transparent into computerized glasses.

It is a demo of what the folks at google want to achieve in the far flung future when the technology and implementations catch up. I want you to look over this video so that the other concept I am about to explain and present are easier to understand and accept as a "plausible reality" to "the uninitiated"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6W4CCU9M4

Fore

04-26-2012, 05:28 PM

Rather than glasses, (as depicted in the video linked above) people like me, (including the ET) use our cognition and awareness as an interface in itself.

Let me explain,
Our thought process acts as a "mental field of interaction and perception". It is our interface.
(Well...actually there is more to it than that.)

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What does that actually mean?

The mind itself is used to interact [almost seamlessly] with our ability. As well as project information into our concious awareness as it is collected via ESP, it is represented in our mind and emotions in various ways.

ESP information shows up however we wish it to be represented.

For example, if we are remotely keeping tabs on each other as we work at a significant distance. We can assign our higher mind to project new information about what another person is doing in real time. We "sense" snippets or adequate representations of what is the status of someone else.

(Funny Analogy)
It can be likened to what people use [these days] as an instant message. On the internet or Facebook for example, people update their status frequently. They also send each other messages with relevant information.

But unlike the internet or computers. Psychic like us (and the ET) use our connections between one another to poll each other as frequently "as is necessary". When someones mood changes at a distance, we can perceive that in our cognition.

Our mental landscape gets updated constantly with new information about what that person is doing. With mutual permission, we can remotely keep tabs on one another without having to pick up a phone or log in to some online service.

Our bonded psychic fields allows us to exchange thoughts processes, visual eyesight information, sounds, mimicked voice interactions, short or extended bursts of cognitive superimposition (to transfer knowledge without learning). etc

Almost anything that can manifest in the mind or perception of someone can be passed through these psychic bonds. You can even elect certain information to be forwarded while irrelevant information is omitted.

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Going further than this:

Rather than floating representative "icons" like those shown in the video. Our increased capacity for cognition of information allows those like us to overlay information into our everyday awareness as well as our super-aware "higher mind".

They (The ET) and I don't use pictures to control our interface and enact control over our abilities. We use "structured thought". More specifically, structured directives.

In our bodies [allegedly] lays alien hardware. I was told of three different types of hardware that can be installed at different levels to increase the functionality and ability that a person enjoys.

The first is organic. Though I don't think that is implemented in me, I have my reservations as to whether it even actually exists. The one I am least familiar with.

The second is a physical piece of material that they put in different areas of the body. These supposedly correct "issues", but I really think it is more about a form of control. I assume these exist in my body because they tried to abduct me as soon as they found out I had made an appointment for a CT scan. So I assume there was something that could be seen and therefore they took steps to mitigate the issue.

The third, I do believe is actually implemented inside of me. The third is non-physical hardware.

Non-physical hardware in this case are artificially programmed structures. If the interconnect are the bonds (roughly speaking) between different non-physical components in a persons body....like invisible wires and conduits that form a systemic bond. Then these additions to my native interconnect (at a psychic level) add, optimize, and make up for certain deficiencies I was naturally born with.

The also add extensive add-on capabilities that would otherwise function in a sub-par way or simply not exist. This non-physical hardware acts as the proverbial "magic" that makes things work better than if it were not there. It is implemented to assist and enhance my abilities. Or at least that is what they told me.

I assume this is true after careful consideration. My abilities are far too "steady and functional" to simply be the result of extended practice.

I assume it just assists in overcoming some natural hurdles and deficiencies.

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When we want to do something, we don't "click or look at an icon" like you do with your personal computer.

We "flag" certain thoughts in our lower mental landscape and format it in a structured form that you can think of as a "directive". This operating directive allows various interpreters inside our interconnect to reform them into something that our "higher mind" can understand, make sense of and make actionable as some kind of psychic phenomena.

Lets say we want to know more about something in our environment.

If we require information we "flag" certain properly formatted thoughts in a specific way and this flagged thought is picked up by the interpreter. The interpreter is simply a natural part of the interconnect within our body that translates information from a human conscious form into that of a "higher thought process".

Our higher consciousness, is a component of ourselves that controls our psychic ability and its formations...this "higher conscious" part directly carries out the task after it has been interpreted.

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Think of it like a lower domain vs a higher domain of thought processes. With a piece that translates between the two being called an interpreter. (Though the proper term is "Translation Table").

When people with this kind of interface aren't doing anything on a lower conscious level. The interface between our lower and higher mind still remains active. Just as we can push directives to our higher consciousness, our higher consciousness can push information back into our lower thoughts process.

The Translation mechanism in our interconnect allows higher thought processes to be converted into normal lower concious formats made for our body and type of mind.

This allows us to project information into our lower awareness as:

--A sensation (general awareness)
--A spontaneous thought process appearing in our lower mind (structured mental information)
--A bodily sensation (pseudo-peripheral awareness of information such as the sensation of a sound, visual perception etc)
--A controlled and structured imaginary construct (internal perceptions and representations)
--A peripheral awareness (pseudo-peripheral awareness of information such as the sensation of a sound, visual perception etc)

Fore

04-28-2012, 04:33 PM

@ Pontif/Nueru

Please evaluate the testimony of the following individual. I saw this account on "beforeitisnews.com" a few days ago. I had seen his account a few years ago on OM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wBXNAiOys

First, Keep in mind everything I have explained or talked about. Then evaluate how plausible the ET device he [allegedly] walks on actually is.

Second, Also think about what advantages are gleaned by the ET pilots of these crafts if they can simulcast "the experience" and "the status" of the craft as they go about their business.

Think of how interesting it would be to be "aware" of what is going on in a craft as if it were a part of your attention span. I also ask that you evaluate if the craft component was aware of the influence patterns given off by the man as he looks over the ET components.

Fore

04-28-2012, 04:34 PM

P.S. I don't claim the entire story of the man is true. I simply found it interesting as a piece of testimony.

Edit: I'd like to add that as I heard him describe the properties of the alleged ET component that it sounds like it is probably made of a "material" that functions as a sort of smart material.

Imagine if you could artificially fabricate a sheet of "material matter" on a craft. With an underlying sub-strata of various non-physical technologies woven into it that acts as modifier of that particular material.

It would enable a person to no longer read gauges on a screen when the status of an engine of component could instead be beamed directly into your conscious awareness. Much like bio-feedback devices but on a whole different level.

I believe D.A.R.P.A. (https://www.google.com/search?q=DARPA&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org) is working on something like that publicly.

If such pseudo-material technology could be designed properly, you would be able to pilot a craft without staring at any physical instrument panels.

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Artificially structured thought processes has it's place among the ET as an operating norm.

So do "machines" that are more than pieces of metal fashioned together into a specific shape. So do organics have their place that are both more than and less than standard organics.

Perhaps like the Grey whom some claim are biological robots with an Artificial Sentience.

Anyway, food for thought.

Fore

04-28-2012, 05:28 PM

@ 24:00 in the video above, he admits as to where his "ideas" came from. He also admits that this live feed into his dreams was there since age 7.

I recall that several people in history whom have had eureka moments claims that "God" gave it to them. Or that they had dreams with strange looking people whom gave them the design specs.

Of course they are rare events. But who knows where some of the inspirations actually come from that leads to large advances in the fields of science? We can't crawl into people heads to figure out how honestly intelligent they were at the point of conceiving of the idea.

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All I do know is that when people call me "smart" I ignore them as they don't seem to understand that I learned everything from mainly one person (The Advisor) and the rest from several other ET.

All I learned was through working with them during experiments and conversations and what they said was required knowledge I should have.

A parrot is not smart if it just repeats what was heard. (Though, I did have my "bright moments" when I figured out things on my own through deductions. Different ET saw those developments in various ways. Both good and bad.)

norenrad

04-28-2012, 07:24 PM

Smart is when what is heard is applied and you show that you have that ability.

Fore

04-29-2012, 02:11 AM

Smart is when what is heard is applied and you show that you have that ability.I have opted to passively point to other experiences around the world and through the decades that support various statements I have made over the years. Most of them I find on a spur of the moment.

Some people have opted to try out the methods and with mixed results various people do find it works for them.

They might not have all the same matching conditions that I did enjoy, but they generally seem to become aware that...."there is something to it".

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I would like to believe that anyone even half familiar with what I have talked about would quickly figure out and realize that the experiences typed onto this forum and the previous one did not come from thin air.

It's just hard to come across the type of people whom would actually know alot of what I spent time talking about. When I first joined the online community I expected that level of knowledge would be plentiful or substantially high.

Yet it seems the majority is unfamiliar or unacquainted with the deeper elements of the material.

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Alot of it could be explained and put into functional practice. The problem is using analogies to explain the more complicated bits of information. The words in English are lacking or not very precise in recreating the same understandings that were imparted to me through telepathic communications and lessons.

I am also not too sure if all the prerequisites can be easily reached in a person without direct ET intervention and "assistance". I simply do not know certain factors and how they combine to make things fully functional.

Though knowing specific information is better than not knowing. That much I am very sure about. The learning curve and putting things into practice can be significantly shortened I imagine.

Though, I cannot teach people the various specifics they need to aquatint themselves with to gain practical knowledge. "Words" don't help much in terms of describing specific psychic phenomena that is observed slightly differently from person to person based on their various internal factors.

Fore

04-29-2012, 02:32 AM

For example,

Pontif wants to discuss the methods of changing the outcomes of probabilities by using influence manipulation.

The problem is that written language and/or speech is not very effective in conveying a show and tell session. I would have to share link into his mind like the ET did with me and give him lessons directly through his cognition.

Exchanging complex information like associated patterns is nearly impossible in English. It would be a lesson that would probably cover less than 30 minutes to 1 hour with a few days on answering specific questions via telepathic exchanges and showing him how to target, look for and alter specific formulations of patterns.

With an ET it is easy to have that kind of conversation. With another human being it is a challenge.

I could read his mind on a continual basis to ascertain what he senses without him having to express it in English. But putting the right specific information into his mind so that an association of information "clicks" is going to be a challenge.

Discussing practical theory is easy, show and tell when none of the words and concepts exist is...pretty hard.

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I wasn't taught how to emulate speech or complex exchanges of information into another human beings head via telepathy.

I have big clues from experiments I conducted on my own that proved to be useful. But I lack a good show and tell session from the ET that discussed how to control another persons mind with extreme accuracy as to create complex communication.

Of course, they didn't show me because that would make it extremely easy for me to prove everything beyond a doubt.

Add to that; I don't want to have anything to do with the ET and my abilities. It makes the whole situation a hole you can never climb out of if you keep falling in.

The more I use my abilities the more they want to stick around and actively keep an eye on me. The only way to climb out of the hole is to find someone whom can insulate them from me or simply give up on using my abilities altogether and therefore my close relationship to them.

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If everytime someone challenges my account of events I have to go back into the hole and everything involved in that situation....it becomes detrimental.

I don't mind if others risk their own skin and their own well being to poke around in the dark deep hole I climbed out of. As long as they understand what they are getting themselves into and understand the risks they can be the kindle to light the way to others enlightenment. (sorry to put it that way)

pontificator

04-30-2012, 01:16 PM

For example,

Pontif wants to discuss the methods of changing the outcomes of probabilities by using influence manipulation.

The problem is that written language and/or speech is not very effective in conveying a show and tell session. I would have to share link into his mind like the ET did with me and give him lessons directly through his cognition.

Exchanging complex information like associated patterns is nearly impossible in English. It would be a lesson that would probably cover less than 30 minutes to 1 hour with a few days on answering specific questions via telepathic exchanges and showing him how to target, look for and alter specific formulations of patterns.

With an ET it is easy to have that kind of conversation. With another human being it is a challenge.

I could read his mind on a continual basis to ascertain what he senses without him having to express it in English. But putting the right specific information into his mind so that an association of information "clicks" is going to be a challenge.

Discussing practical theory is easy, show and tell when none of the words and concepts exist is...pretty hard.

I'll give you a hint, it would seem that whenever you talk about a given subject I am directly accessing that frame of information... it's something that came to me a little while ago, so essentially as you type [and I feel something taking great interest] I am accessing more than is on the page. I suspect this is the reason I am also a very fast learner when given just the practical information.

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I wasn't taught how to emulate speech or complex exchanges of information into another human beings head via telepathy.

If I'm right about how this is working, then the approach may be the other way around. Provide the signposts and any capable psychic is automatically scavenging all related information for that given segment.

I have big clues from experiments I conducted on my own that proved to be useful. But I lack a good show and tell session from the ET that discussed how to control another persons mind with extreme accuracy as to create complex communication.

Of course, they didn't show me because that would make it extremely easy for me to prove everything beyond a doubt.

Add to that; I don't want to have anything to do with the ET and my abilities. It makes the whole situation a hole you can never climb out of if you keep falling in.

The more I use my abilities the more they want to stick around and actively keep an eye on me. The only way to climb out of the hole is to find someone whom can insulate them from me or simply give up on using my abilities altogether and therefore my close relationship to them.

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If everytime someone challenges my account of events I have to go back into the hole and everything involved in that situation....it becomes detrimental.

I don't mind if others risk their own skin and their own well being to poke around in the dark deep hole I climbed out of. As long as they understand what they are getting themselves into and understand the risks they can be the kindle to light the way to others enlightenment. (sorry to put it that way)

I am a digger of information, I report what I find as I progress through the hole, this naturally gives people a heads-up about certain topics as well. So with Fore I think we're actually a good double-team for stirring the pot as necessary. Personally I prefer people to be fully informed, and for that to happen someone needs to be the sacrificial lamb as it were. Think of this way, someone has to take the risk in order to inform the greater number.

neverwas

04-30-2012, 06:13 PM

hmm, I do like the way you put things fore, i have many questions and theories and postulations of my own, but I'll wait

Fore

04-30-2012, 07:49 PM

hmm, I do like the way you put things fore, i have many questions and theories and postulations of my own, but I'll wait
Thats what I don't want you to do....hold back.

You guys/gals should build the conversation and add to it in your own ways. Theories and postulations leads to serious debates and discussion(s). Quite exactly what I want to see.

Exactly what the ET in charge of me did not want to see...

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Every time one of your folks, picks up the conversation and asks good questions, not just to me, but to each other. That thinking and that consideration of topics is what makes "some of these above me" pay attention.

They (The ET whom taught me) don't want a conversation. They don't want to see any discussion spread out in other forums or discussions to evolve.

Much less do they want experimentation, investigations, verification and then ultimately some form of adaptation with those fragments of knowledge.

From the moment you read my accounts and perhaps even consider it seriously....when or if you ever come across one of these ET in person, trust me, they will almost assuredly turn in interest to figure out where you got that information from if you ever mention it, practice it, or have your minds read....

I am pretty sure they will want to know what you plan on doing with it.

Just for another person to grasp the ideas of how some ET use their psi abilities to their advantage is enough to make some ET nervous. Or perhaps enough information to start to differentiate what is a real case vs a fabrication.

Like an infection of information, some are only interested in wiping or blotting it out for their own opportunistic advantage. It creates problems and weakens their position in small but important ways.

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Other ET have told me they see it as "an opportunity" to bring the dialog to a whole different level through an unofficial source. (I don't get many of those types in my area)

Claiming they can't really be part of that platform to go forward with the information....but if they turn a blind eye while someone else actively does it. It's "not their problem" supposedly.

They said it was an opportunity where they can be more lax because it opens doors to a different type of dialog. They said that if someone from high up gets wind of what is going on, they won't be responsible and it's my problem and those whom are/were in charge of me.

pontificator

05-01-2012, 12:50 PM

Hmmm, just had a thought, there is one way to give a bit more structure to our questions. Fore, think of answers to the following:
1) The Top ten things that should not be discussed.
2) The top ten things that would make an alien sweat.
3) The top ten things that would make the proverbial object jam the fan...
It'll help structure questions from my end later on. For the record "how many groups are a part of 'the others'?" goes in two, and would number more than three.

Fore

05-02-2012, 07:55 PM

Hmmm, just had a thought, there is one way to give a bit more structure to our questions. Fore, think of answers to the following:
1) The Top ten things that should not be discussed.

I'll have to think about what the ten would be. Their ranks would be hard to determine in it's proper order.

I can only go by what they respond negatively to. I can also only go on how disproportionately they react to wanting to discuss certain understandings with other people whom they told me have no business knowing a specific knowledge base.

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!) Coherent Understandings: I have been told that discussing a wide array of understandings that make observers also acquire functional and coherent understandings is somewhat not allowed.

Some of the ET in charge of me, object to spreading information that they said reduced the various set of mysteries behind what is reported or currently understood.

I was told that providing my version of "understanding" and of "resolutions to mysteries" was (more or less) tolerable up to a point. Past that point they almost always intend to push me into accepting perpetual silence on a wide number of topics.

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Some of the seedier types (Grey especially) told me (in a very straight forward way) not to impact the ongoing efforts by other ET groups by discussing or creating "unnecessary" dialog with people I met.

I was told my words complicate the way they do business with other human people. They also told me they may from time to time receive complaints from other ET whom are impacted by this activity.

This I can verify is true as I have been notified by other ET that sometimes question my motives or for bringing it up in front of "their people". (The human being they conduct "business" with.) But generally it only seems to irritate or become an annoyance. I have yet to meet one that will do more than scan, comment at me or my group and also intimidate me in their own way.

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So the topics that bring coherent understandings seems to jeopardize their agenda to some degree.

I assume it is mainly because the (abductee, experiencers, contactee) people whom watch and observe my writings begin to become aware of the "tricks of the trade". They see it in their own lives, in their own encounters, and start to understand more about what is going on in front of them and to them.

Rather than disconnected events that seem to hold no value or meaningful relationship to one another... They begin to see the parallels in my story and their own. From what I understand the persons become aware how many tricks are beings put into play, in general how it is applied, and what the outcomes might be.

Faced with that knowledge the:

--Folks whom have ongoing contact start to feel uncomfortable. Having some coherent understanding or knowledge to confront the ET. The ET (some people recounted) in their next encounter evades the meaningful questions or reacts in a way that is strongly suggestive of less than apparently honest motives.

--The folks whom are only listening to the story but have only had (up to that point) sporadic events related to the paranormal or ET sphere suddenly encounter ET themselves. Often a large number drop out of contact with me or simply tell me in private they don't want to write anymore in public for fear of further encounters.

Some do not have much more than waves of sporadic headaches and upticks in psychic phenomena. Even the skeptical among them sense there is someone or something that "checks in" on them. Some do not see anything but only sense an oddness in their environment that comes and goes. Out of those that do, a minority tend to waffle back and forth between belief and disbelief. Neither having seen something or someone directly but knowing that something unknown "checks in" at intervals that coincides with others experiences.

These tend to be the most frequent to drop out altogether from the conversation or reading. Some of them admit to feeling afraid or scared of the nature of coincidences and synchronicity that they don't like to talk about.

--The tiny minority are the ones whom report absolutely nothing. Typically the "black listed" that the ET won't intervene with unless pushed. Typically (as far as I can tell) reserved for other purposes. If you talk to the ET about them they will often refuse to conduct contact with these black listed individuals.

When push comes to shove, I try and position these seemingly "black listed" individuals against the ET agenda. I make specific proposals or "a dare" (pretty much tricking them openly) to the "black listed' to perform a specific task which I know would upset the ET group I was with. Therefore the ET are typically forced to choose between non-intervention or their intended agenda.

Like an analogy of putting a person in front of a speeding bus "on a dare" to see if they "experience anything" as it "hits" them.

If the ET choose non-intervention, then I have found someone whom is pretty much immune from their open influence. If they choose to intervene, the person usually becomes aware that something is amiss. Either directly or indirectly. ;) Usually the ET will not hold back for long especially if you put them in a bind.

They typically will try alternatives to correct for a situation before resorting to the most obvious route. The trick is limiting them to just that single lane which a "black listed" person is on.

The Grey are the easiest to manipulate into it even though they are (technically) pretty smart they usually like following the same patterns of behavior. The Nordics are much harder to pin down as they seem to be more creative in solving issues.

The ET Supervisors typically hold out until things get very messed up and then make a very large and obvious correction. It is seriously rare to outwit them. I still consider OMF to have been one of those large corrections.

I am gonna go link to my old threads and see if that stirs up any trouble. Should be fun....

norenrad

05-02-2012, 11:01 PM

I must be on their Black List and I know why. Since I was very young I have asked Jesus for protection and I still do, perhaps that is why I have only seen what I have seen with no other involvement. Besides, I become very aggravated when dealing with mind games, these games are pompous and serve no purpose other than to antagonize... I don't know how you deal with these factors without blowing your top.

Fore

05-03-2012, 04:42 AM

I must be on their Black List and I know why. Not to my knowledge. I do recall them sharing information on various members over the years. Profiles of what to look out for but nothing too interesting.

Norenrad, I noticed early on that you had a psychic signature from early on and therefore wasn't at all surprised when you had encounters with paranormal and a few apparitions of unknown origin. (Nothing to do with me)

They shared info on Atmajic (sorry if I spelled it wrong). They talked about him and advised to stay clear of him. Upon inspection I totally agreed in that assessment. He later publicly admitted to something which was almost spot on and which I pretty much guessed based on the profile and particulars. Though I believe otherwise in some of his claims. (Being vague with ample intention)

Over the years more than a few casual reminders from them on updates on Jeddyhi (I kept it in mind), Garuda (I ignored most of it), Though nothing on Doc by the way. Lee is and was the only member whom I was not given any information on. Pretty much a total mystery in the absence of information. I believe Lee is on the black list. I asked them for information on him but was never provided any. Same as Angelia Joiner. They advised/told me, because she had a radio show, to steer clear of her and said they would not engage her nor get involved.

Several upper tier Mufon members were definitely not on the black list (lol). I got plenty of info and profile info on them at that time. Most of it I have forgotten. Ron Pandolfi wasn't on the black list but they did advise me to word things appropriately. Only stated he had "limited access" even though others around him believe otherwise according to them. It was half surprising they knew about him stepping down about a year before he did. They didn't take him very seriously from the way conversations went. His friend Dan Smith was never a real interest to any of them as far as I could tell. He wasn't on any black list that I could conceive of. There was simply no interest.

Gary they said was often talking about older projects which were not in their ballpark of interest. They said very little beyond that.

Micheal Salla, they talked about him whenever I asked. The ET I dealt with had a very negative view of him. Though as far as I could tell, he is pretty ideal as a researcher. I had my doubts at first and I observed some of what they talked about when it came to his internal affairs. (intentionally vague)

I have learned that when they generally hold a negative opinion of someone...it seems to be because they might be doing something right for the field of ufology. <shrug> They didn't like Garuda one bit but never stated any significant reasons other than he knew too much. (?)

On Pontif there was some sporadic information when I needed it like updates and info about what he was doing the day before but the interest was there for a while then non-existent for a while.

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The majority of it I don't take at face value. I ask by bringing it up in conversations. Often times asking the person in question if it is true directly. (By the way, passive mind reading never hurts to confirm or discount ET information!)

The more I lost my psychic perceptual abilities the less I could verify or cross check that their info was accurate and spot on. (It largely was)

Though sometimes they confused the wrong person in a house whom they were talking about. Some of them have trouble differentiating whom is the target and read the persons wife instead of the man (for example). So the info is quite good but from the wrong perspective.

Fore

05-03-2012, 05:14 AM

The point that is important to take in about anything I have said above is that when you know "enough" it becomes an advantage.

When I had my own abilities in their fully active state it is literally trivial to eaves drop on anyone you want to at almost any time. It is relatively easy to sneak a peak into what is going to happen later on and have a plan in hand according to the projected events.

I guess I have said that enough that at this point no one would actually believe me on that.

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Personally speaking, when you have that kind of advantage...being honest and open is a detriment to your own position. Honesty and open is a liability even if you know what is going on around you and in others heads.

Knowing information and not letting anyone know that you know is a huge advantage.

I did my stint with honesty and openness but I don't think normal people like or accept that kind of situation. It must be pretty unnatural as far as the cause and effect of events go.

It pays a huge dividend to stay quiet and simply say nothing. I cannot say the ET are wrong in that technical assessment. Though morally and ethically I felt it is wrong. In the end, if you know what someone will do and everything they are thinking of saying even before they say it or do it....there is a huge benefit to always be on top by simply keeping silent in that knowledge (and not sharing it).

(Not an imagined advantage either)

If there is no advantage in genuine honesty and openness then....Perhaps (if you really think about it) it is why these ET over me stay out of sight and play their so called "mind games" when they want to.

Perhaps the need to feel honest and open is more an emotional part of our human nature than a technical and mentally orientated ET individual values?

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I guess if you really think about it. If you knew alot about what was going on around you and in peoples heads. Knowing enough to manipulate and position situations to your utter advantage without it ever being known. Would you abide by honesty and openness if it put you at a direct disadvantage?

Or would you take the opportunistic stance and simply exert influence over each and every situation you desired to get your way?

At what point do honesty and openness become such a disadvantage as to possibly be discarded and rarely practiced?

Fore

05-03-2012, 05:17 AM

IMHO,

If you see the lack of honesty and principle practiced enough. You're either going to join in on the fun or simply cringe and attempt to grasp at honesty and openness in an attempt to veer away from the likes of "them".

Fore

05-03-2012, 05:53 AM

Since I was very young I have asked Jesus for protection and I still do, perhaps that is why I have only seen what I have seen with no other involvement. Perhaps, but I don't think that puts someone on the "black list".

The only two things I have observed is either "someone blacklisted is not useful" in any way. Therefore they don't bother even when provoked.

Or

There is "something" the blacklisted can do or provide for their agenda and by virtue they leave them blacklisted to avoid any contact. That "something" seems to be a perpetuation of an idea or a meme that an individual can provide. [unhealthy skepticim or extreme bias for example]

I have long ago realized they pick and choose whom they want to meet in person vs whom they simply scan periodically from afar vs someone they intentionally avoid contact with.

The persons familiarity with religion doesn't seem to be a significant factor. For example, I asked them many times to go and visit Jeddyhi [a hardcore atheist] when they informed me of his thoughts on me. They simply refused.

As far as I gleaned their interest was only to notify me of his status changes in the background. So that meant they obviously monitored him somehow. Though he never gave any indication of being aware of being monitored.

I passively listened in on his mind and confirmed what they said was true. When he stepped down at OM I knew about it because they (The ET) gave me a general update on the staff members at that time. They simply told me to be aware that someone had stepped down in the staff.

I looked on and saw no notice of such in written form. I scanned passively and noticed the thought forms seemed to confirm the ET story. So I asked openly in the Mod forum and two or more Admins confirmed that such had happened.

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So they monitor(ed) his activity and the general activity because I was told it was their focus of interest. But every time I asked for an intervention with Jeddyhi they simply brushed me off. They always said no or simply gave me the silent treatment or acknowledge it but said nothing more beyond merely acknowledging the conversation.

(Stonewalling)

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Of course, saying things that are told to you without "a conventional source" is a way to raise suspicions. If people disbelieve you are in contact with ET, then it is liable to give them the wrong idea that you somehow obtained the information through a conventional source.

If they believe you, then it is probably noted without further ado and simply is just another event.

I have learned many hard lessons, in person, that even if you know about something, your not supposed to say so. People get paranoid and fidgety about how you obtained the info or whom the source is/was. Telling them it is an ET is not a wise choice.

If you don't tell them something convincing they will assume their spouse, friend, ex-spouse, etc "told you" what they themselves never told anyone. (yeah that logic I never really understood)

The reality is I was just listening passively and heard something interesting from their head. Or a spiritual entity around them muttered/pestered me about it. Or an ET with nothing better to do simply mentioned it in real time or days or weeks prior in a brief update on various ongoing situations around me.

Besides, I become very aggravated when dealing with mind games, these games are pompous and serve no purpose other than to antagonize... I don't know how you deal with these factors without blowing your top.You get used to it.

Their inane (and idiosyncratic) behaviors become a normal part of the day as the years rolled on. If you get used to tolerating their internal politics...you pretty much accept that is the norm for them.

Spend too much time with them though....and you need to be reminded of what it is to be a human being though....funny enough. The biggest trick I learned is how to accept when they will ignore your own interests at stake.

When I get annoyed I simply turn around put their interests at risk and call it a day. Then look for the nearest exit and gradually make my way there. [....and here I am]

norenrad

05-03-2012, 09:07 AM

There is "something" the blacklisted can do or provide for their agenda and by virtue they leave them blacklisted to avoid any contact. That "something" seems to be a perpetuation of an idea or a meme that an individual can provide.

And I believe that "meme" is the key. I'm still working on how it works though, but I'm confident that I'm not the only one working on it or will eventually pin it down... it's something that has always been in the back of my mind since I was young. There's a connection in us, or some of us, that is and has been very important and I believe that "they" are trying to pin it down as well or have and are afraid of it.

Maybe I'm just crazy and believe in fairytales, but I honestly have the feeling that I'm on the track of something. It may take me the rest of my life, but if I do figure it out, I'll let it be known as best as I possibly can, as I do not think that our limited verbal communication is enough. I also believe that there is something to the saying, "faith can move mountains". We have the clues, but we have just forgotten or have been deliberately made to forget the answers.

pontificator

05-03-2012, 01:08 PM

On Pontif there was some sporadic information when I needed it like updates and info about what he was doing the day before but the interest was there for a while then non-existent for a while.

*Chuckles* Most assuredly I bored them half-to-death. I keep a pretty general wall of crud going on, and I know it'd bore most people to tears, but then again I am a long-term player [People around me get pretty nervous when I show them how my 5, 10 and 3 year plans are progressing. They cannot understand how I do it, and as a result I've pulled ahead of all of my friends and associates in many areas. I simply have a staggering amount of patience and careful planning.]

In the case of the ET, well I am a permanent feature until I am not, I have figured them into my long-term planning as well, so they will certainly keep me entertained until I am deceased. Naturally this means unceasing study and analysis.

Now, I am always interested in what they actually said about me, not that I've ever received an answer, but I'll keep asking every once in a while, Fore... They have also pulled back a fair bit, they still ping me periodically, but it appears I'm currently of minimal interest [I use their interest surge as a mapping method when doing analysis, it has proven helpful in introspective investigation.]

Fore

05-06-2012, 01:41 AM

As of post #350 the monitoring and remote psychic "checkups" have started up again.

The checkups (after the first 24 hours) seems to have died down roughly to just 1 per every half day.

I wanted you to see these two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fURjuID5j24

More at: http://www.youtube.com/user/LunaCognita/videos

Fore

05-06-2012, 01:57 AM

It appears one source depicts that indeed the ET craft do indeed use exterior fields for propulsion and time differentiation. He does not seem to cover the topic of phasing or anything. (of which the above are exterior "symptoms" of using that technology)

But still interesting on it's own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQd2W1QSfAY

Fore

05-06-2012, 02:09 AM

@ Pontif

An interesting video on the triangular "chevron" symbols used in various space agencies around the world. If you'll recall that the triangular symbol is one of the symbols used by the ET's I had contact with.

(As well as around the world in different ancient cultures)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_VsLF2fGpU

Neuru

05-06-2012, 06:25 PM

As of post #350 the monitoring and remote psychic "checkups" have started up again.
probably as a result of your latest posts, on the 2nd of May, around 6 AM local time I -may- have been visited by a grey. What little I remember is that there was a dream in which I was -somewhere- (I think a city?) minding my own business when suddenly I heard a scanning tone (ear beep) and felt heaviness on the left side of the head. Immediate thought: "Fore, is that you?" (We don't even know each other in real life and I'm not a telepath.) Then, some time after this, several more eartones. Thought: "Leave me alone already, I don't want to have anything to do with you." (This was addressed to presumed, unnamed aliens whom I suspected of scanning/mentally probing me).

Then I woke up and thought: "Who where these?" Half a second later I got the hypnopompic image of a Grey's face. (Did not expect this.) It faded out 1.5-2 seconds later when I fully woke up. This does not tell anything about the purpose and nature of this "checkup" and whether it was genuine or not. I'm not a wannabe abductee so I won't give this too much weight until I get a personal visit and a talk with them while fully conscious (this is not an invitation btw., am still not interested in ET company and will never be.) Could have been a minor nightmare for all it's worth.

Also, until about the end of June I won't have much time to be/interact here. Will try to regularly archive this thread though.

Arkki

05-06-2012, 06:36 PM

Neuru

05-06-2012, 06:55 PM

pontificator

05-07-2012, 12:01 AM

@Arkki: One night about 1-2 months ago I woke up (out of thirst, not because of anything unusual). I don't think about aliens all day and night but at that moment I remembered several things: how Pontificator wrote about his standoff with greys (when they were in his room phased out and they wanted to put him to sleep and he had to pace around for several hours to prevent this), how Truman Cash (I don't think he's a member here) on OMF said that he may have killed a few greys during abductions, and how Fore said generally that even ETs tend to make mistakes. So I thought something along the lines of, "Hey, let there be just one instance when a grey visits me (for whatever reason) but 'malfunctions' for a few moments and forgets to phase itself out. Then, while it looks at me confounded, I'll tear its frail body to pieces, immediately take dozens of photographs of the remains and immediately upload said photos to several popular image sharing sites as well as send copies to the forum administrators here before anyone could confiscate anything." The instant I thought about this I got a "scan" -- so either this is possible or them greys just don't like people thinking about such things.Hi Neuru,Just a quick correction, Fore had the standoff with the Greys, not I. As a suggestion I'd not try and go out of your way to try and kill one, there are a lot more of them than you after all...Now, that tone is a proximity detector in essence, and will increase in strength and volume the closer the entity is to you. It is not really an accurate instrument so much as it is a side-effect of having a powerful Psychic entity nearby. Generally if you can hear that tone, and you have not woken up into a paralysed state, then there will be nothing you can do.I've concentrated more on override and detection, but I have asked for them to pack it in because it is necessary and they have complied. But then again I was not intending to harm them either, so from their perspective I'd be harmless. Paralysis is really horrible, but when you are released and can move again things improve pretty quickly, but they already have a degree of control of you and you'll lose conciousness pretty rapidly again.If you wake up, and they are there, but you are not paralysed, then you have a very brief moment of advantage, as it means your field is already unlock-able from their perspective. They will attempt to shift your thinking to a predictable state, and it is at that point they initiate override again. They are true professionals, so I believe that one would need constant training for a very long period to be effective in stopping them using PSI abilities [Fore had a lot of training, but that still was not enough to stop a persistent professional.]

Fore

05-07-2012, 03:11 AM

Just for the fun of it, could you recount some popular countermeasures that could be taken against the common procedures and checks?

Being all open in the internet regarding what is going on with exact timings and locations was generally unliked, and I really enjoyed the thought Pontif pro-active approach of messing with their influence-generation and manipulation methods - basically trying to cripple the tools they use to mess with humans. If you get a feel and understanding for how it works you can pre-empt situations to a limited degree by being aware of what they are capable of and recognizing (as much as possible) when it is being used.

You'd think their tools would be hard to spot or notice, but they are only hard to spot if you are (very) gullible and uninformed.

I wonder if one could say mess with grey enough for it to take several days for to recover back to full functionality.
I don't know how as in the end they have more advanced capabilities and a higher intensity in applying those capabilities.

If you understand how influence abilities are generated, you could...maybe...."hurt" or bring discomfort to them. I recall that during some of my attempts to activate my abilities I used a bad technique and "The Advisor" would cringe every time I did it my way when I was much younger. She said it made her feel unwell when I did so. I also noted that Greys responded similarly but responded by moving farther away rather than commenting on it.

The Advisor explained (a long time ago) that her field composition and mine (a human field composition) were different. When I did activations in the wrong way and over-exerted myself she said it made her feel uncomfortable. She taught me how to do it the right way without over exerting my field and then she had no trouble.

So at the very least you should be able to cause discomfort and the sensation of pain in their bodies if you do an activation the wrong way.

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Beyond that, their psychic fields are tied into their anatomy just like ours (Human Beings). So the same types of mechanisms and vulnerabilities exist in relationship to their fields.

Their internal field is (as far as I can tell) composed in roughly the same manner. Their exterior field is more well developed and functions somewhat differently. But their inter-communication between their energy centers roughly works on the same principles.

Their attention span and level of cognition are the only thing that is really on a different level and scope.

So in "theory" if you learn how to paralyze a human being, chances are (small if not marginal) that you could disrupt their consciousness just like they do it on us. Whenever I felt malicious (while growing up) I would focus my abilities on the Grey males when they were nearby and would bombard them with my field at random intensities. Though I had very poor control over my abilities at that time. They were more often than not discomforted by it. Hardly the effect I wanted though.

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If you really wanted to hurt them, I suppose you would have to come close enough to touch their body and lay a stiff grip on them. If you could even do that, you would _maybe_ have a chance to disrupt the various interconnecting points (energy centers) in their body.

Do it fast enough and effectively enough and you would probably knock them unconscious just like they do it on a human being. Just keep in mind that they have the strength of an elephant in psychic terms. While you only have a fraction of that intensity. You won't win on sheer strength. Maybe you might win if you apply yourself correctly in the first few seconds of the attempt.

If you can't clinch it on the first second, chances are you won't.

Neuru

05-08-2012, 01:12 PM

(Correction: the supposed "visit" supposedly "happened" on the 4th, not the 2nd. ["May the fourth be with you", yeah, I know.] When daylight saving time is in effect, like now, my 6 AM local time equals 4 AM GMT [and 5 AM GMT when it's not in effect], by the way.)

Now, I like the "top 10" lists idea. Some of these may fit into one of the categories Pontificator mentioned (and some may not):

- Supposing that humans will accept the "truth" of "the others" ("our gods", etc.) group instead of the "positive" group the Advisor belongs to (well, positive as in relatively speaking, yeah) after disclosure, what will the Earth and civilization look like 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 etc. years from then? Is this post-disclosure future to be more like various groups of countries sponsored/backed by different ET factions engaged in war with each other? (You hinted at this.)
- If we accept the "positive" group, then besides the commonly mentioned threat of "burning the earth", how will events play out... prior to that (if it is a credible threat)? What scenarios are possible in that time period? Is this a highly volatile/turbulent part of history? (Future history, yes, but, you know.)
- Previously I attempted to ask this question and failed horribly at it: Supposing that most of the current civilization will be destroyed, how will a reconstruction take place? Will we still have different ET factions (including "the others") actively meddling here, but this time ruling over... tribes?
- How common are time travelers from the (probably far) future descendants of humanity traveling to this period and previous periods? How do they conduct these travels? What are common reasons for traveling to this period and other past periods? How much influence do they generally have on our present (or had in our past)? Are there any well-known (human or human looking) people in history (or in the present) who may be time travelers? What (written/agreed upon, not physical) rules govern time travel?
- Besides the humans of this planet, how many planets are there that have civilizations like ours? As in, humanoid, generally not psychic, currently not overtly controlled by ET? What is known of the fate of these civilizations (past and present ones)?
- Is this "game" that Fore described many pages back (different factions "seeding" different worlds and having their creations fight each other) that was played (and is to be played again once the quarantine imposed by the "third" faction ends) a common thing? How common is it in this galaxy? As a rule of thumb, is it common that relatively lowly civilizations like ours are usually the object of power struggles between ET factions? How true is that for the milky way galaxy? Is it less/more/equally common in galaxies further away? Or to put it another way, are/were there any known civilizations that progressed from our level to the level of being a spacefaring, psychic species with tools to bend the rules of physics, etc.?
- What kind of connection (if any) does "the third" faction have to Higher Order Entities / Angels?
- Right after the quarantine ends, what will "the others" do to those who "know too much"?

@Pontificator: If you think it's worthwile to do so, you may want to check out the contents of this site [link] (http://www.farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html) and compare it with what you (or rather the orange being mentioned) hinted at in your May 18, 2009 post in My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities) concerning the near future.

Neuru

05-08-2012, 02:45 PM

Or to put it another way, are/were there any known civilizations that progressed from our level to the level of being a spacefaring, psychic species with tools to bend the rules of physics, etc.?
This should read:

Or to put it another way, are/were there any known civilizations that progressed from our level to the level of being a spacefaring, psychic species with tools to bend the rules of physics, etc. without ever having any intervention from more developed civilizations?
I don't want to add more noise (am very apt at doing that) so will stop posting for now. Also, just found the Jun 22, 2009, 9:32pm post by Fore in My Experiences may prove useful for anyone currently reading this thread. (Link to the archived version (http://www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2009.htm), another archived version (http://montalk.net/fore.zip).)

Fore

05-12-2012, 05:41 AM

- Supposing that humans will accept the "truth" of "the others" ("our gods", etc.) group instead of the "positive" group the Advisor belongs to (well, positive as in relatively speaking, yeah) after disclosure, what will the Earth and civilization look like 2, 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200 etc. years from then? Is this post-disclosure future to be more like various groups of countries sponsored/backed by different ET factions engaged in war with each other? (You hinted at this.)

According to the conversation I had with her more than 10 years ago when she and I talked about these topics. She mentioned at the time that if "the Others" gained "momentum" they would first make the governments on Earth become the scape goats of the people. Playing on the idea that Earthly governments are of something like incompetence, distrust and generally a raw deal.

That scenario was depicted as the People on Earth are supposed to distrust their own governments and adopt/accept the role of the a new government run in part by the ET.

This scenario is depicted with a population in distress, meaning people do not have most of their necessities being met. As a society in that scenario people lack infrastructure and safety.

The scenario depicts a population that is hungry and that the ET have the resources, the food and the technology to cover those needs....for steep a price. Earthly governments are supposed to be approached and asked to accept ET technology (under ET control) which will feed the populations and provide basic necessities.

If they reject the ETs offer, the Earthly people covered under that jurisdiction are allowed to continue under their own power. Meaning the affected populations will starve and die out as they hold out. The scenario also depicted how the populations and governmental bodies are isolated from others whom accept. Sort of like trade restrictions.

So if you want to live comfortably under "The Others" new established government and treaties you either accept "the help" and every "string attached" or you fend for yourself. The technology and resources come with a steep price. Like a rich [high technology] man soliciting a group of [human] beggars.

For any of this to work, the "Others" have to cripple infrastructure first so they can come to the forefront and lecture humanity about its' ultimate short comings. As well as give that tempting proposal of technology leases in return for a say in how our worldly affairs are run. During all of that they lay the blame on our governments and make people distrust their government as that means another form of governance has to take over in that scenario.

That scenario has the world being carved up into different sectors with ET representatives or proxies. (more or less)

The people themselves are also depicted to revolt against their own government(s) and depose them in favor of the ET version.

Luckily they have just the right people to take over. Keep in mind I don't doubt that they will put a positive spin on things to make it not sound like they are taking advantage of people on Earth.

Fore

05-12-2012, 05:57 AM

I should also add to the post above that the Advisor never spoke about National level governments being solicited during this scenario.

She spoke about regional or local governments. So I infer this means that National level governments are either not effectively in control or maybe she left something out.

Choas and hardship is the main theme of this scenario. The tapestry of society tears apart and someone foreign comes into a bargaining position to save the tapestry. But first these "Others" want lots of key changes to commence.

norenrad

05-12-2012, 07:32 AM

If they reject the ETs offer, the Earthly people covered under that jurisdiction are allowed to continue under their own power. Meaning the affected populations will starve and die out as they hold out. The scenario also depicted how the populations and governmental bodies are isolated from others whom accept. Sort of like trade restrictions.

The mark of the Beast.

pontificator

05-12-2012, 01:21 PM

The mark of the Beast.
You hit that nail on the head...

I've not been having a great few weeks myself, came down with a cold that hanged on for days, causing all the usual chaos to my psychic abilities [Colds do weird things, either the abilities turn off completely, which is good, or it causes them to develop...] This time around it has caused them to develop, probably at one of the worst times. I suspect we have all had the occasion where we have spoken a bit sharply to another family member, which is what happened in my case [my mother was making a mountain out of a molehill in an exchange with my dad, quite unnecessarily, so I put a stop to it. I've never liked standing idle in such situations.]

However, I did not take into account that she is also Psi to a point, and I was not aware of what would happen. Well, I've now gained emphatic abilities which started with me being able to feel my mothers highly palatable "stern pissed-offness" in the air. I suspect it was a side-effect of her abilities reacting to her extreme internal emotion, and I've had issues ever since.

What does not help is that every time I pass by various areas, and the new ones I can now feel, my abilities reinforce further. I suspect they are now going to snowball, so I'm being very careful to gain as much understanding of them as quickly as I possibly can.

I've also gained the ability to affect the fields of people around me, and to partially feel them [not in any great detail, just as a presence apart from mine, I can reach out with my field and detect a slight hint of the emotion that the person is feeling.] However, when I direct my attention to someone I sometimes affect their field, before I knew this it led to a particularly [amusing for some] weird incident where one of my friends suddenly went half-asleep and started sprouting nonsense [well, it was coherent, but seriously weird {and not to be repeated here, but it'd make a good plot for a niche magazine story}].

We all wondered what the hell had happened [the train wreak effect], and then I realized that his field had gone out of whack [I correct for that now, but it was quite unexpected, I honestly thought I'd never have to worry about it. I'd been leaving all PSI abilities sitting on whatever glass object was nearby to keep it away from everyone, and prevent it developing, which had seemed to be working.]

It has also led to the left field of my head developing quite rapidly, with the associated pains [Including crud going via the left eye, I'd never felt anything so painful before, was like a nail flew out.] Another odd effect, when the right side activated the other day it felt as though a whole layer of my brain lifted up and marched out the side of my head; or more metaphorically as though the right side of my head were a kennel and bull-dog suddenly surged out to await orders.

I really don't think this is going to go away, its not dying down, so I'll try and get control of it before it takes control of me... any pointers, Fore?

Fore

05-12-2012, 06:46 PM

The mark of the Beast.

Yeah it sounds like that is what is being described.

I assume the burning of the Earth is some kind of allusion to the End Times Prophecy. The Islamic Qumran seem to cover those aspects more closely than revelation (in the Bible).

Though the weird part of her scenarios and predictions is that (like JakeReason mentioned a long time ago) the "Others" seems to encompass various aspects of various prophecy found in the Bible. Some of the activities she describes sounds like a cross composite of what the Anti-Christ does as well as Christ or his Angels do in biblical prophecy.

tl2

05-13-2012, 12:46 AM

Fore, what do you make of this?

Initial Results:

This project describes change between the years 2008 and 2013 across nine geographical locations with a global spread. The locations are

Vaitupu, Tuvalu
Fort Jesus, Mombasa Kenya
Sydney Opera House, Sydney, Australia
Mount Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
United States Congress Building, Washington, D.C.
Malé International Airport, Malé, Maldives
KITV Building, Honolulu, Hawaii
The Vehicle Assembly Building at Launch Complex 39, Kennedy Space Center, Merritt Island, Florida
Key West, Florida

In general, these remote-viewing data suggest the following types of physical changes across many of the above geographical locations by mid-2013:

Impacts from what appear to be large meteors leading to tsunamis and possible volcanism
Extensive and forceful flooding of coastal areas
Excessive solar radiation
Storms and other severe weather

In terms of the effects of these changes on humans, these data also suggest:

Massive self-organized relocation from coastal areas (refugees)
The breakdown of rescue or other notable governmental functioning
The breakdown of the food supply system
The breakdown of the vehicular transport system
Extensive loss of buildings near coasts

Oddly, these results largely parallel recent warnings being issued by NASA relating to the dangers of severe solar storms anticipated around the years 2012 and 2013 that would threaten the global long-term use of electricity. NASA is not currently explaining exactly why these unprecedented and severe storms are anticipated, but the warnings themselves could not be more clear. Meteor impacts are not included in the current set of NASA warnings.

For this project, all targets are assigned two timelines for the date 1 June 2013. This allows us to attempt to use remote viewing to describe alternative futures by specifying characteristics of future timelines. Web site visitors who are not familiar with our research into multiple realities might want to view this introductory video presentation on the subject.

The two 2013 timelines examined in this study are

Timeline A: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which the leadership of the mainstream global scientific establishment continues to ignore or deny (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

Timeline B: 1 June 2013, 12 noon target local time, following the timeline in which by the end of 2009 leaders of the mainstream global scientific establishment publicly recognize (1) the reality of the remote-viewing phenomenon, and (2) the existence of life not originating from Earth.

The results of this study do suggest that there is a difference between the two timelines. These data suggest that the impact of planetary change is less severe for Timeline B as compared with Timeline A. This suggests that having the mainstream scientific community openly acknowledge the reality of remote viewing and life (even microbial) not originating on Earth may help ameliorate the impact of severe planetary change, perhaps by giving people a greater chance to prepare for the changes. The Key West target was added late in the study to explore a timeline in which the scientific community recognizes the reality of remote viewing and the existence of extraterrestrial life by 2011.

Here are links to some of the data and analyses for the current project.

http://www.farsight.org/demo/Demo2008/RV_Demo_2008_Page1.html

tl2

05-13-2012, 12:47 AM

neverwas

05-13-2012, 02:50 AM

pontificator

05-13-2012, 01:16 PM

Yes fore ! Now what ! I'm really curious as to how pontificator is supposed to calm all this down now that he's opened the box and upped his sensitivities, not to mention how to deal physically with what this can do to your endocrine system ......... Plus when you are into this stuff you really shouldn't be around negativity at all.

Errr, well the box has been wide open for quite a while, these things take a fair while to develop on their own. As for the Endocrine system, I really don't have to worry about that, I have to be far more careful about my field over-merging with others nearby. A lot of these things were covered during discussions of Telepathy on OMF, and I've seen how far that can go first-hand [even if it was limited exposure.] The essential thing about most things is that a person needs to gain control of systems as they become aware of them, or prepare for such systems before they on-line themselves.

What I need to do right now is get a bit more information before I get blind-sided by something else unexpected, like happened today. I was already aware of such things as knowledge query, and being aware of surface details from individuals if one had the ability [there are problems that one has to train for, and counter]. However, what I was not aware of is that it does not require a large degree of activation before it manifests as an ability [although it is possible it is one of many pre-existing latent abilities I have]. In theory I should have just had to deal with demarcation of empathy and other general psychic traits, however I ran into what can only be described as "self" override. I ran a quick test on a random target to see if I'd gotten demarcation right, that is making sure that I am aware of fields being "other" than myself [It is a very important thing to learn, as it prevents ones psyche collapsing.] Instead I found myself running a limited copy of their "self" locally [general body awareness, knowledge of ones self etc], and had to break out of it using the same method I'd used when identifying "honour" as a non-local emotion in my first major "forth-kind" encounter. That was very unexpected, and pretty dangerous, as I thought I had more time to ensure that problem would not happen [I'll have to revise all of my ideas on development times, and simply assume that everything is going to pop-up randomly, and prepare accordingly.]

I'm not particularly interested in running active queries, or simulations of an individual on my own "wet-ware", which is why I am trying to make sure demarcation is working correctly. It seems I'll need to try a different angle on the matter, as I'm suddenly able to do a bit too many things too early [in my opinion.]

neverwas

05-13-2012, 08:08 PM

well , I guess after it's all on line, sometimes you get intrusions if you want them or not, even if you try to shut it all down. I know I'm way too empathic with people who are close to me, physically or otherwise. This is the part i can't shut down, sometimes for my own safety i have to figure out ways to ignore it. I don't overly avoid others, but i'm not comfortable around a lot of peeps for too long a time. Can't always avoid run ins with people who could be slightly miffed at you either. This to me causes stress, especially when I have to deal with a persistent negative strong person every day. It's the stress burn out that has me in it's grips right now.

Fore

05-17-2012, 07:45 AM

You hit that nail on the head...

I've not been having a great few weeks myself, came down with a cold that hanged on for days, causing all the usual chaos to my psychic abilities [Colds do weird things, either the abilities turn off completely, which is good, or it causes them to develop...] This time around it has caused them to develop, probably at one of the worst times. I suspect we have all had the occasion where we have spoken a bit sharply to another family member, which is what happened in my case [my mother was making a mountain out of a molehill in an exchange with my dad, quite unnecessarily, so I put a stop to it. I've never liked standing idle in such situations.]

However, I did not take into account that she is also Psi to a point, and I was not aware of what would happen. Well, I've now gained emphatic abilities which started with me being able to feel my mothers highly palatable "stern pissed-offness" in the air. I suspect it was a side-effect of her abilities reacting to her extreme internal emotion, and I've had issues ever since. You will no doubt be more impressed when you can assess a persons current [mindset/emotional state/body state] when not in the same location as them.

What does not help is that every time I pass by various areas, and the new ones I can now feel, my abilities reinforce further. I suspect they are now going to snowball, so I'm being very careful to gain as much understanding of them as quickly as I possibly can.

I've also gained the ability to affect the fields of people around me, Well if you were trying to do that then that would be a great development. Though I suspect you aren't "trying" to anymore from what you have said privately. In which case you are probably gonna be troubled by what comes next...

and to partially feel them [not in any great detail, just as a presence apart from mine, I can reach out with my field and detect a slight hint of the emotion that the person is feeling.] However, when I direct my attention to someone I sometimes affect their field, This is normal and perfectly expected at near range.

Just "relax" your psychic emanations/manifestations. Keep in mind that your psychic intensity is obviously overcoming their own internal world.

You and I discussed this in the telepathy thread back at OMF a few years ago. (Did Cy capture that thread?)

You only need to put your psychic field into a "standby" state. In terms of an analogy, it is something like learning how to keep your field in a perpetual holding pattern. Even when you sleep or are performing mundane tasks in your life. That is what your personal internal interface and self control is all about. You just have to figure out what that "standby" state is like vs an "active use" state.

I can only help you to a limited degree as English and verbal language is not the best tool for teaching. (IMO)

before I knew this it led to a particularly [amusing for some] weird incident where one of my friends suddenly went half-asleep and started sprouting nonsense [well, it was coherent, but seriously weird {and not to be repeated here, but it'd make a good plot for a niche magazine story}].

We all wondered what the hell had happened [the train wreak effect], and then I realized that his field had gone out of whack [I correct for that now, but it was quite unexpected, I honestly thought I'd never have to worry about it. I'd been leaving all PSI abilities sitting on whatever glass object was nearby to keep it away from everyone, and prevent it developing, which had seemed to be working.] I have also seen people become "affected" when I use my field.

Be gentle and keep in mind what the human body is designed to tolerate. If you exceed "that amount"....a persons internal Interconnect ("energy" centers) cannot pass along information to other areas of their body. A persons ability to control their personal body deteriorates as the threshold is exceeded.

You'll know when you reach the first set of thresholds when their internal fields begin to fluctuate from the disruptions you cause. Their body will undergo various random changes which will affect their personal comfort. If the field disruption gets into the regions near their head they will begin to blackout for fractions of a second. Further than that I suspect they would blackout for a longer period of time.

If the field disruption is largely located in the torso or lower regions of their body, then the warning signs are when they begin to lose physical sensations in their body. Followed or proceeded by their nerves misfiring from the aftereffects. Sporadic and uncontrollable Twitching throughout their muscles; including sporadic loss of motor control and sensation. Some people describe it as feeling their whole body has fallen asleep like when you leg falls asleep. I believe this level of "stress on their field" is unintentionally causing an OBE. I don't know it for sure, but call it a wild guess.

Their vascular systems/or arteries also tend to constrict or relax which leads to either the sensation of extreme heat in their body or the deep sensations of coldness. The most common comparison is that people say it is like when you drink one too many beers and your skin heats up while others describe it as if you were having an acute panic attack. Sometimes the coldness is limited to their interior of their body or the exterior limbs. (every person is different and depends on how you manipulate or disrupt their field.)

Weakness tends to set in and most individuals too close in proximity during intense field manipulation will experience general discomfort, fatigue, and wanting to pass-out or blackout.

The easiest sign to pay attention to is to stop when they start to display debilitating symptoms.

And by God, whatever you do, do not try to re-order the fields in a persons head. That may be causing abnormal brain function in your unintended targets case. Keep in mind their internal fields operating parameters are incredibly weak. While yours are significantly more amplified compared to theirs.

It has also led to the left field of my head developing quite rapidly, with the associated pains [Including crud going via the left eye, I'd never felt anything so painful before, was like a nail flew out.] Thats all very normal if you aren't taking care of your field. (positive pressure etc)

Another odd effect, when the right side activated the other day it felt as though a whole layer of my brain lifted up and marched out the side of my head; or more metaphorically as though the right side of my head were a kennel and bull-dog suddenly surged out to await orders. Sounds like your performed an activation sequence in an either out of order fashion OR the "crown"/halo EFM structure became active.

If what you want to do is turn it off, then you are heading in the wrong direction....

I really don't think this is going to go away, its not dying down, so I'll try and get control of it before it takes control of me... any pointers, Fore?It is like a muscle. Simply don't use it.

Or at the very least learn how to keep it "steady" and on standby.

Contrary to most psychics popular belief you can have a high intensity field in a room and not have it disrupt anyone else standing in that room. It's all about learning the physics behind your psi ability and how they work.

Simply assert control over your personal field to place it in a proper configuration that won't easily affect people around you. Meaning a state in which it will not readily affect the [rather] tiny spectrum of patterns that reside inside of a human being.

(Think of it this way, your not always affecting electrical systems in your household, correct? That is because your personal field is configured at the moment to affect a different range of influence. So simply find a different range of configurations that are unlikely to affect the psychic anatomy (their psychic interconnect) of a human being. That equals a "standby state".)

Fore

05-17-2012, 07:52 AM

pontificator

05-17-2012, 12:48 PM

By the way,

ETs use these configurations and states all the time to hide/mask their presence. They taught me that human psychic who are of a limited development tend to only sense configurations that are relatively alike to that of their field.

If an ET reconfigures their field then they "disappear" from the Human Beings ESP perceptual ability...even though they are standing right next to them. That is why I find the Nordics in particular to be rather creepy people. They can walk right up to you and you barely sense it until they are close enough.

Note: There is one part of their field they cannot reconfigure very effectively. That crown/halo EFM structure and it's upper formations over their heads are something they can't hide in it's totality. They can reduce the size of it's signature very significant but they cannot make it disappear entirely.

Now that's curious, I suspect that minimal configuration they are using is the limit at which their interconnect can control their encounter suit... which brings to mind the thought that if a person were to learn how to disrupt or attach to that specific range then they could stop a Nordic regardless of how-well the rest of the system was connected.

I've found that the empathic side of things has lessened, but that as a side-effect a different ability has cropped up in its place. Its quite curious, and appears to be a form of RV, but is proving to be a bit hard to work with at the moment. Essentially what I'm looking at is a method by which an object can be accurately depicted when I have my eyes closed [It appears to use the same process as dream imagery, so is likely to be a mapping of the vision centres, but normal vision overpowers it.] The requirement is that I am moving a defined area of influence into a place where there is an object. It will firstly produce only bad-quality impressions, then with a little incresing of the influence's density an image will form of the object [accurate and inclusive of colour], but once it reaches peak detail the effect stops [I suspect it has a lot to do with both concentration and something else being tripped. I might be attempting a perspective change, and that's not getting translated across...]

Curiously it might be the only thing I've come across that looks vaguely useful [and not something that affects people per se.] Might direct it at the moon ;) I hear there are all sorts of scary things there that cause RV'ers to panic [personally I need some inpiration for my writing every so often.]

Anyway, so far it seems an ability will appear, last for a while, and then die down again while being replaced with something else [certainly keeps me on my toes.]

@Fore, it's all the places I pass by on the way to work, they just push everything to a peak point all the time. This might lessen when I buy a flat closer to work though.

Fore

05-20-2012, 09:39 PM

Now that's curious, I suspect that minimal configuration they are using is the limit at which their interconnect can control their encounter suit... which brings to mind the thought that if a person were to learn how to disrupt or attach to that specific range then they could stop a Nordic regardless of how-well the rest of the system was connected. It is technically possible.

Though, I have never attempted to when I was older and more developed.

I find it intriguing that out of all the people whom I encountered on OMF you were among the few whom actually understood the material beyond its face value. Not surprisingly you also seem to be the most developed. I wonder if it is because you and I think alike or if it is a level of technical competence? Or is it because we both have had contact with these entities in person?

Whatever it may be, I hope you understand that I am shifting away from my past associations and moving on to greener pastures. Mostly because I have become a little wiser as to whom I was dealing with. I have no problem with ETs. I only have problems with shady people.

I think people do not really understand that from outward appearances alone, it is not very obvious that there are shady people "out there". It is not very obvious on the surface of the experience. It is only (in my case at least) when you review the events that you start to see an emergent pattern that call into question what the whole thing is about. My relationship with those ET was a mixed bag. Some were better than others. In the end though, the weight of the shady activities outweighs the positives.

If for whatever reason you decide to continue, remain aware that you are likely to encounter shady people performing rather shady activities. Even if at first everything seems logical and perfectly normal, upon review you may find that alot of things should be called into question on their motives.

I've found that the empathic side of things has lessened, but that as a side-effect a different ability has cropped up in its place. Its quite curious, and appears to be a form of RV, but is proving to be a bit hard to work with at the moment. Essentially what I'm looking at is a method by which an object can be accurately depicted when I have my eyes closed [It appears to use the same process as dream imagery, so is likely to be a mapping of the vision centres, but normal vision overpowers it.] Yes, that is perfectly normal.

Those are "overlays" of information. Your interconnect injects the information into the processes of your living tissue in a "controlled" fashion. Giving you the ability to perceive structured information unto your normal (biological) awareness.

As you become more developed the level of insight will increase as will the injections of structured information. Though you should go through a stringent level of exercise to adjust the psychic structures and their mappings as they form. Otherwise the injections of information will be non-structured and can negatively impact the processes behind your awareness in a negative fashion.

Use your internal directives to control the flow of information so that it is not sporadic in nature. It is all about training different components [biological and psychic components] to work together in unison.

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I believe I once told Admin (Bren) that in the past I could track what he was doing without much effort when I was more active in my abilities. As I wrote, it doesn't matter if you are taking a shower or cleaning plates, your attention span increases as you merge the two [higher and lower mind] together.

When every component is working in tip top shape it becomes as easy and "natural" as breathing or having a natural thought process. Unlike most [U]natural psychics as long as the components are maintained, the abilities themselves can be exercised almost perpetually and on-demand. In specific configurations they become tied to the body and its subsets of functionality.

Peripheral awareness only makes it more natural for the lower mind to absorb and process the information as naturally as possible. You get used to the process of multiplexing ESP information into biological manifestations of structured information the brain can handle.

Psychics like me though have directives to flag content that enters and leaves the lower [biological] mind. So we know what is our imagination vs ESP vs hallucinatory experiences etc.

It becomes pretty obvious as the nuanced control you have to exert teaches you alot over the years. Unlike normal people whom tend to use their mind for personal recreation and relatively shallow thought processes.

Note: It is not that the ETs are the brightest light bulb in the universe (in reference to the utilization of their minds). It is simply that the average human being is usually alot dimmer and unstructured in actual utilization of their mind. If you ever listen in on a persons thought process you can easily remark how alot of people seem to have a form of ADHD. (Even the smart ones)

If the average persons mind was a tool, then it is rusting in their head. Though as everyone is generally the same, the dimness of the activity in their head goes unnoticed. At least until they encounter an entity that does utilize its mind extensively. That is when a human being would likely be surprised by it.

When I intentionally allowed my abilities to fall into disrepair I noted as the extended functionality shut off one by one, that I became dimmer and less able. It is like losing a series of appendages. An uncomfortable experience.

I had it for so long and had become accustomed to it, that it wasn't until I lost it, that I realized what it is like to be a regular person. The absence of information and higher functioning thinking is the human condition.

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When you increase your level of development you will inevitably find yourself deeply tempted to exert your developing advantage upon others. Simply stop the evolution now, before you get there. Unless you are an unyielding good person at heart you will likely fall into some escapade of taking advantage of various people and situations you encounter.

If you want to see what happens when you fall into that temptation simply flip through a dozen or so pages of Traynors Thread in the backup archives of OMF. Even though he wasn't as functionally able; see the sentiments in his written words. Especially towards the end when he started coming out of the closet about his abilities.

If you find yourself thinking that way, its time to call it quits. ("IMO")

pontificator

05-22-2012, 04:20 AM

It is technically possible.Though, I have never attempted to when I was older and more developed. I find it intriguing that out of all the people whom I encountered on OMF you were among the few whom actually understood the material beyond its face value. Not surprisingly you also seem to be the most developed. I wonder if it is because you and I think alike or if it is a level of technical competence? Or is it because we both have had contact with these entities in person?Well we've both had contact with entities, and are technically competent [which helps, been busy covering psychology and intelligence levels, there are quite a few cut-off points at which a person will not "get it" depending on what they face in real life {one is best seen with the ability to understand time-travel plots}. I use this as a way of improving my communication skills when getting information across to people I am working with.]Personally, having reviewed a lot of old memories from my childhood and on, I have come to the conclusion that I had a fair bit of exposure to paranormal entities post-conflict. I note that, after what fits the bill for an encounter, that this stopped when I encountered an ebony black being [essentially a black grey, with independently moving white double irises with round equidistant spots of black along them.] During the years I would find myself engulfed in black and unable to fight back when waking up. After the age of 20 I was able to beat this effect off, and never had another encounter of that type.In 2008 I had a paranormal encounter at a murder site, essentially covers all the points on the prior psychic check-list. In the same year I was hit by a car, and then 4 months later visited by Aliens after reading your threads carefully for a few weeks [I had the pressure around the head before that encounter]... busy year that... simply kept developing from that point.Additionally, I have an insatiable hunger for information, the more exotic the better. Given I've been like that since a child that inclination continues, and I take a slow but steady approach to everything, which is why I just keep developing on any required skill-front.
Whatever it may be, I hope you understand that I am shifting away from my past associations and moving on to greener pastures. Mostly because I have become a little wiser as to whom I was dealing with. I have no problem with ETs. I only have problems with shady people.I think people do not really understand that from outward appearances alone, it is not very obvious that there are shady people "out there". It is not very obvious on the surface of the experience. It is only (in my case at least) when you review the events that you start to see an emergent pattern that call into question what the whole thing is about. My relationship with those ET was a mixed bag. Some were better than others. In the end though, the weight of the shady activities outweighs the positives.Which is a pity really, it would have been an interesting area to keep researching from your end, but I understand that you have commitment to move away now, and that is good.
If for whatever reason you decide to continue, remain aware that you are likely to encounter shady people performing rather shady activities. Even if at first everything seems logical and perfectly normal, upon review you may find that alot of things should be called into question on their motives.I don't particularly like shady characters myself, but they have a tendency to ask me for help [I have always been puzzled about that, so I came to the conclusion that I must look the type, even if it is completely unintentional.] My response to them is that "thank-you, but unfortunately I cannot help you with that matter" the clash with my moral compass is usually a bit too strong.
Yes, that is perfectly normal.Those are "overlays" of information. Your interconnect injects the information into the processes of your living tissue in a "controlled" fashion. Giving you the ability to perceive structured information unto your normal (biological) awareness.As you become more developed the level of insight will increase as will the injections of structured information. Though you should go through a stringent level of exercise to adjust the psychic structures and their mappings as they form. Otherwise the injections of information will be non-structured and can negatively impact the processes behind your awareness in a negative fashion.Use your internal directives to control the flow of information so that it is not sporadic in nature. It is all about training different components [biological and psychic components] to work together in unison.I remember this bit well, seems that I've started getting more bits going as well, its quite interesting seeing what actually happens [even without actually pushing for ability additions, they are simply "there".]
Peripheral awareness only makes it more natural for the lower mind to absorb and process the information as naturally as possible. You get used to the process of multiplexing ESP information into biological manifestations of structured information the brain can handle. Psychics like me though have directives to flag content that enters and leaves the lower [biological] mind. So we know what is our imagination vs ESP vs hallucinatory experiences etc.It becomes pretty obvious as the nuanced control you have to exert teaches you alot over the years. Unlike normal people whom tend to use their mind for personal recreation and relatively shallow thought processes.-------------------------------When you increase your level of development you will inevitably find yourself deeply tempted to exert your developing advantage upon others. Simply stop the evolution now, before you get there. Unless you are an [U]unyielding good person at heart you will likely fall into some escapade of taking advantage of various people and situations you encounter.I'm keeping a close check on things at the moment, I notice last night that something woke me up, and it did communicate telepathically. I noticed the forehead pressure went up to the exclusion of all the other areas [it was pretty light, if not a bit warm], then it used that non-speech method of communicating at an extremely rapid pace [must have been 10/15 words a second] before I'd even had the chance to grasp what it was going on about [it was clearly present to perform a task, although I cannot say I caught exactly what it said.] Needless to say, I was not entirely impressed with it [I classified it as a clear and present threat] and synced my field to three mixed-up tracks of queen mentally playing simultaneously [hehe... but, seriously, it does work. If I cannot keep track of it properly myself, then it probably won't] it gave up after a while [I spent those moments pointing out how it should be conducting its business in a more effective manner.]Just prior to its communications burst I noted that, in the darkness, my vision was forming coherent patterns with structure [I have seen this before, and only in certain situations,] I used that as the que that something interesting was about, as opposed to a figment of the imagination.Now, one thing I do to avoid problems with losing complete moral control is to away's take the perspective, where possible, of "how may I be of benefit to this person" in the positive sense. If I cannot be of benefit, then I don't need to be there, it works very well for keeping many things in check. There is one other thing, and that is that in some cases the abilities are bringing me up to normal levels in some areas I am lacking in [addressing dyslexia, speech difficulties and so on.] I'll take note of which bits are working better, and see if they can be left at normal levels as I let other parts slide.

Fore

05-31-2012, 11:39 PM

I haven't finished watching this series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xbIPHQ5Wc

While I don't condone some of the themes present nor some of the conspiracy theories. I do believe it is worth while your time to watch and consider it a scenario of which is not all that baseless.

While I have barely heard much about "Project Bluebeam" and don't believe that many of it's "memes" are actually true. As many points seem to be misconstrued conceptions of technology and applications (IMO). I have been around [ET] people whom have talked about such technology covered in various (thousands) of conversations. I do not believe they require "holograms" to confuse large populations. They have much better ways to accomplish the same without resorting to optical illusions which have obvious problems.

One point in particular is the [forbidden] ways of tapping into the operating consciousness of individuals by using "large scale distributed phenomena". I see many particulars in this series that is closer to truth than many I suppose would be willing to consider.

If you want to open yourself (at minimum) to what-ifs....then please have a listen to at least this part. If you wish to go further than that, commit the other parts and points to memory for future reference.

Part 6 is mostly relevant to the scenarios described in this thread.

Fore

06-01-2012, 01:05 AM

If you can insert thought and emotional "content" into the mind and fabric of individuals on a wider scale than found in abductions....well you don't need holograms.

southerncross

06-03-2012, 01:59 AM

Found the eight martini quote from Ingo Swann-:cool:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?productNo=458549918&pr=F&showbleed=False&colorNo=6&tab=1&Zoom=2&subFront=&subBack=&ptn=-1

Fore

06-04-2012, 05:51 PM

Found the eight martini quote from Ingo Swann-:cool:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?productNo=458549918&pr=F&showbleed=False&colorNo=6&tab=1&Zoom=2&subFront=&subBack=&ptn=-1There is information from January that I have been sitting on. Basically there was "talk" in two high places that there is a strong earthquake predicted in the heartland of the USA.

I have already been informed on what little I need to know. The part of the story I haven't really told yet is when I tried to confirm on my own whether there was any substance to the "talk". Apparently, there is evidence that such an event is very probable in the short term future.

On the ET side of the rumor mill, a stranger, an ET to be specific (whom apparently has ties to human activities). Asked me to leak information on it's behalf. Basically read a report it said was commissioned in September 2011~November 2011. The ET (keep in mind its affiliations) read the reports most important points and asked me to report it publicly verbatim.

Knowing that ET whom work with human beings are especially shady (and dangerous to deal with IMO) I decided to simply not say much of anything but allude to it as "a rumor". The report it read to me and asked me to forward to the community was basically an assessment of the merchants in my region and the impact that might be suffered in food transportation and other forms of shortages. The rest of the report it cited was the expected population toll and on the expected impact to infrastructure. Specifically survivability. That is what the report was seemingly supposed to assess.

The stranger ET asked me to forward the report which I did not. I have only ever met maybe three (maybe four) ET whom have ever hinted at working with human beings directly or have claimed openly that they work with government or black programs of some kind. Considering my ET group told me to stay away from "those guys" I thought it prudent to check if there was anything to it first. My own ET group also told me it is very easy for an ET to blurb about something that would make things bad for me. So I wasn't supposed to repeat everything I heard as a rule.

------------Please note and consider why I don't want to encourage this kind of "approach activity"------------------

The last two ET strangers before this one also indicated they worked with western region human beings. That one did the same and asked "I repeat what I heard". (Which I did)

Unbeknown to me at the time I repeated as much as I recalled and held back almost nothing except two important signatures it cited in the document. One of the signature tokens that last report repeated was ?SL 54? or something (i forget the number) and Q clearance. At first I did not know what the two words meant until I did some research after/during posting.

The Q Clearance I figured out with a simply Google search that it meant the reiterated telepathic report by the ET came from someone with a Department of Energy Q clearance. (like a sort of Secret/Top Secret level classification)

The other part I omitted (or at least I think I did) because I did not know what exactly SL ## meant. I suspected it had something to do with a Security Clearance. I found out in some documentary that I watched months later after repeating what I had heard that SL (Security Level) does stand for a security clearance of some kind and that it is seemingly much higher than I expected.

Anyway, considering those two ET persons were talking about a secret report some guy had recorded about how ET bases were being relocated I guess it is a good idea not to repeat everything that comes across. Even though i thought the ET did a good job of censoring just about anything truly sensitive. Like he didn't omitted the mans name on the recording. Either way I am not sure what the game is with the tactics.

Fore

06-04-2012, 05:54 PM

Something like this:
http://i49.tinypic.com/2rrqih1.jpg

I wonder if there really are that many levels?

CasperParks

06-04-2012, 07:29 PM

Fore,

Recall seeing something that chart or something similar before the interenet age, not sure where.

Thanks for posting it...

Fore

06-04-2012, 11:28 PM

Saturday, May 19, 2012
When the Trucks Stop, It’s Over
Original Article Link: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2012/05/when-trucks-stop-its-over.html

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from Modern Survival Blog - surviving hard times by Ken
Truck-distribution-systemic-risk

Systemic risk. I guarantee that most ordinary folks have no idea that if trucks stopped rolling all across America, within a short period of time nearly all Americans would all be in a life-threatening situation from major delivery shortages. 70% of all freight that is moved in the U.S. is done so by truck. You (we) depend on that ‘stuff’ for our survival.

A major disruption in truck travel would immediately impact seven major industries, and would bring America to its knees within days due in part to “just in time manufacturing”, zero-inventory, and the fact that our modern way of life is entirely dependent upon unimpeded distribution chains.

(Facts summarized from a report sourced from the newsroom of www.trucking.org)
Severely impacted from truck stoppage,

The Food Industry
- Severe shortages within 72 hours, especially of perishable items.
- Panic will make shortages worse.
- Clean drinking water will run dry (every 7 to 14 days all water treatment plants receive chemicals by truck to make drinking water safe).

Healthcare
- Many hospitals operate on a “just in time” delivery for medications and supplies.
- Hospital and nursing home food will run out in 24 hours.

Transportation
- Gas station fuel will run out within 24 to 48 hours. An average gas station requires deliveries every 2.4 days.
- The subsequent fuel shortage will ripple to all automobiles and vehicles which will no longer be able to transport people to work, police, fire, rescue, mail-package delivery, garbage pickup, public transit…
- Airlines and air-cargo will be grounded due to lack of supplies.
- Rail lines will halt due to non-delivery of the first and last mile (trucks)

Waste Removal
- Within days, America will be buried in garbage, presenting an enormous health hazard.

The Retail Sector
- Most retailers rely on “just in time” delivery of their products to keep inventories low.
- Consumer behavior during emergencies triple the inventory turnover – speeding up the already ‘bad’ situation.

Manufacturing
- Nearly 100% of manufacturing have switched over to “just in time” processes in order to optimize efficiency and profits. Manufacturing will shut down within hours.

Banking and Finance
- ATM’s and bank cash will run dry very quickly.
- Businesses will lose access to cash.
- Bank branches will shut down.

Impact Timeline if trucks stopped rolling

The first 24 hours
• Delivery of medical supplies to the affected area will cease.
• Hospitals will run out of basic supplies such as syringes and catheters
within hours. Radiopharmaceuticals will deteriorate and become
unusable.
• Service stations will begin to run out of fuel.
• Manufacturers using just-in-time manufacturing will develop component
shortages.
• U.S. mail and other package delivery will cease.

Within 48 hours
• Food shortages will begin to develop.
• Automobile fuel availability and delivery will dwindle, leading to skyrocketing
prices and long lines at the gas pumps.
• Without manufacturing components and trucks for product delivery,
assembly lines will shut down, putting thousands out of work.

Within 72 hours
• Food shortages will escalate, especially in the face of hoarding and
consumer panic.
• Supplies of essentials—such as bottled water, powdered milk, and
canned meat—at major retailers will disappear.
• ATMs will run out of cash and banks will be unable to process
transactions.
• Service stations will completely run out of fuel for autos and trucks.
• Garbage will start piling up in urban and suburban areas.
• Container ships will sit idle in ports and rail transport will be disrupted,
eventually coming to a standstill.

Within a week
• Automobile travel will cease due to the lack of fuel. Without autos and
busses, many people will not be able to get to work, shop for groceries,
or access medical care.
• Hospitals will begin to exhaust oxygen supplies.

Within two weeks
• The nation’s clean water supply will begin to run dry.

Within four weeks
• The nation will exhaust its clean water supply and water will be safe for
drinking only after boiling. As a result gastrointestinal illnesses will
increase, further taxing an already weakened health care system.

Read More: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2012/05/when-trucks-stop-its-over.html

A major New Madrid fault zone earthquake could sever all or much of east-west trucking distribution as major bridges are damaged or destroyed across the Mississippi river.

CasperParks

06-05-2012, 12:02 AM

Saturday, May 19, 2012
When the Trucks Stop, It’s Over
Original Article Link: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2012/05/when-trucks-stop-its-over.html

Read More: http://daily-survival.blogspot.com/2012/05/when-trucks-stop-its-over.html

Remember, Trucker Strikes a few decades ago? Their strike didn't cripple the nation, but made things tight. Got violent as well, bricks dropped off bypasses and through winshields.

Understand, the artical isn't about a general strike... Still, memories surfaced. My father was on again and off again longhaul driver, as was a younger half brother years later.

pontificator

06-05-2012, 01:24 PM

Fore

06-05-2012, 11:01 PM

@Fore, sat down and watched "The Forth Kind" which I recorded a few days back. I always note this obsession with Ancient Sumeria, dead languages and the like, but in this film it rapidly became apparent that the aliens were obviously drunk alien teenagers on the rampage, and taking some strange drugs to boot [I believe you have seen the difference between Travis Walton's actual testimony and recreated scenes vs "Fire in the sky", this was pretty much in the same territory.] Yes, I did see the huge difference between the recreated scenes in that movie and the actual events he described.

Had his actual encounter been turned into a real movie that many people watched. I am pretty sure it would be referenced after the ET's show up. I don't recall any movies that depict both humanoids and Greys/insect-like/or other various forms working together. Usually they seem to be depicted exclusively apart from each other. (I Wonder why??)

The movie "Communion" also showed only Greys and little shorter beings. That is about all the mix of beings I have ever seen in a "popular release" (based loosely on real life encounters).

Hollywood does not do a very good job of depicting actual encounters. Most of it is fluff an inaccurate. Especially the characterizations of individuals going through those experiences is extremely dramatized to the point of non-sense (IMO). Documentaries seem to do a bit better but many points of interest are left out of those as well.

I know if I were to write the script for a movie or documentary I would make sure to include content which I am sure alot of the ET would grimace at. Especially the concepts that don't seem to make it into documentaries and popular movies. It would be a night and day difference when contrasted to actual block buster films. I am sure there are plenty of other people out there whom have much more they would like to add to such a movie.

Though unless it were directed well with a lot of foresight into what common folk do not even conceive of as real....then it would confuse anyone deeply as they have no idea of the context behind events nor their technological background. Though I am sure a few abductees out there would walk away shaken stiff to see the events being depicted on the screen with ample realism.

Certain concepts seem to be deeply downplayed or wiped out of documentaries and movies. As to leave the screenplay to be more fictitious than real. I think it would take very little to walk up to a director or screen writer to orchestrate a release of various points of interest which would make a large impact on ET activities further down the road. Most importantly I would target a few notions that are popular but generally misunderstood or are wholesale fabrications in popular media.

To make the "apparently nonsensical" seem sensible practices would require a director whom understands what the scenes depict. The persons making the movie would need to go beyond sound bites and take into account what transpires between more than one person the ET meets in the course of a day or a year.

When Contact occurs, I'd bet the ET would be weary of such an in-depth depiction pre-existing in the wild...

The community doesn't have to be the way it is right now. It can exist with a lot less mystery and apparent persistent confusion. Popular media could be one method to deploy more truth than fiction. Though it would take a director that understands the difference between the audience and the people whom actually encounter the ET.

If it were up to me I would love to deliver depictions of information that would make sure to extinguish 70+ years of ET and man-made propaganda. Like spreading a vaccine which will give more immunity to a systemic disease as the Advisor used to say. Otherwise all the patients will reach a terminal stage by the presentation of Contact-Day. Patients who will be lead to the slaughter along with the rest that are seemingly defenselessly oblivious to the circumstances of the approaching moments ahead of them.

Introspective Wonderment:
Perhaps it was as the Advisor used to say; That a warning message delivered by one of the ET groups in the 1920's convinced those whom know (PTB) that there is a clear and present danger in the future years. That there was no hope of resolving the problem to begin with if the information was true. Those whom took the warning (PTB) began to prepare and build protective refuge for the coming events that would eventually take place. A remnant population that would not be sought after.

If the world population could not know what was coming upon them...and they couldn't be saved...then the logic is there is no point in telling them anything. Letting us all live in ignorance until the last day when the motions are played out to the ultimate conclusion.

Fore

06-05-2012, 11:55 PM

So, while on the same subject, did you ever notice your assigned groups ever talk about that particular area of history, or even mutter in ancient Sumerian? The Advisor was the only one whom talked about history. But no she never really talked about Sumeria or anything. She only gave me history lessons when it was relevant to what we were talking about.

I suspect the answer will be no, as I can't say I've ever heard an Alien try to speak, it's been telepathy all the way [in various grades.] They don't really need to use their voice to talk. The Advisor said it was like a lower form of uttering words. I have heard her voice though outloud, it has a slightly different pitch than the one in her head.

The Grey never really mentioned it but they seemed adept at speaking via telepathy. Honestly once you get used to it, the whole verbal thing seems kinda backward when you consider how easy it is to share information back and forth at a high speed without a pause for breathing.You don't even have to be "near to each other" (relatively speaking) to speak with one another.

The Advisor said they would only speak outloud if it was necessary for someone whom "could not" reciprocate.

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One ET stranger whom was watching us showed up one night and tried to speak outloud to one of my family members. I guess it would freak someone out if they spoke up without turning off the phasing field completely.

BTW, they seem to be largely keeping away, so that's worked out, nothing's cropped up for quite a few months now.

I cannot say the same unfortunately. So far the ET activity has been nill. But the paranormal activity in my household has spiked up a few times. Couple nights ago (~May 26,2012 ~ 5am) there was a highly palpable malevolent spiritual presence. I had awoken at that time because my dog was nudging me to let him out to do his business. So I got up and let him out. I noticed that my mind was being affected/accessed by someone. I stood there and analyzed the patterns and noticed it was a spiritual signature. As soon as I rebuked it to leave me alone a sizeable and palpable wave of freezing coldness enveloped me.

Noticed it was a floater at just below the inner roof level. Estimated it was at least a Class 4 maybe a Class 5. (only ever encountered 2 in my whole life [including this one])

It had quite the field strength. I was impressed at the time by it's manifestations. Rebuked it in God and Christ name again this time aloud and it moved away immediately. I woke up one of my family members and told it about it, to help me repel it by praying. They mentioned they went to sleep early because of it bothering them.

We both prayed again, the Entity went further away. Then I went outside and felt it was still in the area. I called out to one of the Angels to cast it out and it did so. The entity disappeared from the area. Though I was covered in this cold mist like sensation for a bit afterwards. It faded after some time and I fell asleep.

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Last night I went to sleep at around 1am because I was working on the computer on a project. I noticed that my chest was leaking influence through the area between my left shoulder blade and my spine and it was hurting. I laid down to get some sleep but when I did so, the influence was gushing out with such an intensity that the bed shook for about 5 minutes.

I noticed it seemed that laying flat on my back caused the gushing of influence to rebound off the immediate area beneath my back and back into my chest. Like a geyser it was leaking profusely dense influence. The whole bed kept shaking like a mild earthquake even though my body was still. I was surprised I was leaking that much. (even though I am not using my abilities) I also noticed black shapes whizzing past my eyesight as the shaking of the bed continued. I could feel the metal springs in the bed with my ESP and the bottom side of the bed along with the wood beneath that.

I laid on my side to let it escape without holding it back by going through the inner parts of the bed. I then realized that if I did this it would cause problems which would flood the environment with my influence. So I laid on my back again and turned on my abilities to gain control of the internal structures that were hemorrhaging copious amounts of influence.

I gained control over the internal structures and brought the leaking of influence down to an acceptable level. The bed stopped shaking. I then relaxed my control over the internal structure after making a directive to keep it from leaking. During the event I also noticed that there was a sensation beyond my skin of electrical charges or spikes arcing near the area. The skin itself did not twitch nor did any muscles. I haven't checked it if left a red mark. Probably not as it is one of the main influence conduits that feeds my external field.

Strangely enough venting that much influence didn't tire me out at all. I also noted to mention it in the thread and to note it as a moderate macro-PK event. The denseness of the influence is gradually getting heavier. Too bad I promised not to use my abilities anymore. I fell asleep. etc.

Psychic development seems to have paused, but it might be better to say that it is simply stable at the moment. After I move to a different place I should be able to avoid a lot of the hot-spots that keep flicking it on, and then it should settle down. Been keeping a close eye on my Nephew though, just in case.

Thats good.

Fore

06-06-2012, 12:04 AM

By the way Pontif,

Early in my life the Advisor used to speak in either Spanish or English. Even words I hadn't learned yet as a child. She asked me to choose one or the other to be dominant in. So I chose English as I liked it better due to its specificity.

She continued speaking purely English from then on.

The Grey have spoken in a language I do not recognize when I asked them to. Seems to be an arabian language of some kind.

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When they talk to visitors Aliens they speak in a different telepathic format without English in the middle. When they want to keep a secret they talk by a different "telepathic channel" and at very high speeds to make sure I can't listen in.

English is used telepathically at low speeds. At higher speeds we exchange shorthands expressions which are not strictly verbalized language but are more accurate and specific. More like ~cognitive expressions~. That means we can conduct higher speed exchanges in fractions of second without having to mentally process a spoken language.

Fore

06-06-2012, 12:11 AM

Addendum:

They also have psychic "packages" [information] they can implant into your higher consciousness which then re-interprets spoken languages.

So you might only know English beforehand. But you can listen to a person speak Portuguese or Japanese and while the words don't make sense to your lower mind, they are reinterpreted and given cognitive meaning at a higher level and then fed back into your lower biology so that you perceive an understanding of what was said.

So you "understand" a foreign language. They conducted experiements on the aspect of understanding languages. They did not attempt to work the part where you can speak a foreign language in kind.

Though they can supplant your current knowledge base by this method. So you could wake up suddenly understanding plumbing or electricians work via this method.

Learning without "learning".

norenrad

06-06-2012, 12:20 AM

SWEET! Sign me up!

Neuru

06-06-2012, 12:37 AM

So you "understand" a foreign language. They conducted experiements on the aspect of understanding languages. They did not attempt to work the part where you can speak a foreign language in kind.

That's an interesting point. There was a thread on OMF (opened last December) about Inelia Benz who claimed that she was able to do exactly this. Maybe you had read it? Though she also claimed that she came here (to Earth) directly from the Source, for a one-off incarnation. A site called Project Avalon has an interview with her.

This is the relevant part:

Bill: And, that must have been extraordinarily challenging, to come in from nowhere and nowhen, directly into being a very young human girl on this strange planet Earth, with no manual, guidelines or information about how it is you were meant to be, or what you were meant to be. Inelia: Yes. There was definitely a challenge. And the main challenge was the reaction of others around me, towards me. So, for example, I did have some tools. I did come in with some tools. I was able to download information. So, if I didn’t understand something, normally I would able to just tap into the "collective" and get it.
I was speaking... According to one of my aunts, I was talking completely perfect Spanish. In fact, didn’t even have a Chilean accent, when I was nine months old, which was for her, she was totally freaked out by it. But nobody else seemed to take any notice.
And that was because I was trying to understand what people were saying, and what they were trying to communicate, and I couldn’t. So, I simply downloaded the language. [laughs] And used it.
I can’t do that any more with languages, unfortunately. I don’t... It’s one of those things that I can’t do, but for other things, I can. And, growing up, I think, that was part of the way things work, that I was able to.
The things that I needed, I get. But if something, I’m doing something just because or... because it’s something that I’m interested in, but it’s not needed, then I can’t do it.
Bill: If it’s necessary, you will download the program that you need in order to do the job.
Inelia: Right.
Bill: But if you’re just curious, then it doesn’t work that way.
Inelia: It doesn’t work. [chuckles] It doesn’t happen.
Bill: Okay. I remember there was a time that you told me, a couple weeks ago, about... There was once when you found yourself... when you were told that you were speaking perfect Portuguese – and another time when you were told that you were speaking Russian.
Inelia: Right.
Bill: And you didn’t even realize it.
Inelia: Yes. To me, I was speaking English. Right? For me, when I look back and I look at my memory, I’m speaking in English. But to the witnesses, I was speaking this other language, which, for me, is like... Okay. I take their word, and I’ve read about it and I’ve found out that there’s other people that can do that type of thing. But, it’s like, evidence from somewhere else... It’s like, it’s not something I can say, ‘Yes, I can do that,’ because, as far as I was concerned, I was speaking English. So. [laughs]
Bill: Yes. For sure. It wasn’t even conscious.
Inelia: Yes. No. And it’s always been a situation where the other person needs help.
Bill: Okay.
Inelia: So, it was like a person who was very sick. He had a terminal illness. That was the first time that I was... it was seen. And apparently, I was talking to this person in Portuguese for hours, and I had no idea. And other people, again, they were coming in for help or advice. And the last time – it was very simple. It was somebody in the metro in Madrid who were lost.
Bill: Mm-hm.
Inelia: They were in the metro and they were completely lost, this family. And, I went to help them. And, I said I’d given them directions, was showing them how to use the map and where they had to go and everything. I sent them on their merry way, said goodbye, turned around. And the person who was with me says, ‘Did you know, how, where did you learn Russian? Did you know you were talking in Russian?’ I said, ‘No!’ [laughs]

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/inelia_benz_3-10-11_en.html

Such claims, that she is basically an avatar of the Source and that she incarnated to help "raise the vibration level of the planet" only sound just a tad mystical (or incredibly blasphemous, depending on one's religious views) which made me immediately think that she is an ET experiment. What you said above may counter this argument but of course does not rule it out. I don't want to believe the first claim especially, it just sounds wrong, especially when contrasted with what you have said about our near future.

Also, here is the thread: http://theopenmind.freehostingcloud.com/indexe516.html?board=PSI&action=display&thread=11058

Fore

06-06-2012, 06:33 AM

That's an interesting point. There was a thread on OMF (opened last December) about Inelia Benz who claimed that she was able to do exactly this. Maybe you had read it? I recall someone brought it to my attention. I think it was JakeReason.

I watched part of her interview somewhere. About 20 minutes or so. I have yet to complete watching the interview.

Though she also claimed that she came here (to Earth) directly from the Source, for a one-off incarnation. A site called Project Avalon has an interview with her. I recall something very similar as well. Though in all honesty I believe it is just a "template" they (The ET) use on us in order to create and explain the backstory.

The idea being that if the "back story" is inserted as a memory which a person wakes up one day and believes it is a real part of their history, then it would make it easier for the "test subject" to adapt to the situation they are being presented with however inconsistent that may be with actual real precursor events.

The chink in the armor is simply to ask someone to think back "to before" they had "the realization" or "recall event". If there are no precursor supporting evidence up to that point then it would stand as a big red sign to indicate that what is in their head is likely a fabrication from an external source.

In my case, I believed it for a time and considered it, but after conducting a few tests based on the memories I found it was likely "a template" inserted by the Advisor herself. Though some of the memories I can confirm are actually real events as I have found corroboration to signify they actually occurred. I can recall the moment in time when it was there and before then, when it wasn't. (Approximately late teens in my case)

So I have a reference point of "before" and "after".

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In Inelias case, if she had something like that happen to her at age of 9 months then it is unlikely she recalls anything before that point and therefore there is nothing to compare with.

This is the relevant part:

Such claims, that she is basically an avatar of the Source and that she incarnated to help "raise the vibration level of the planet" only sound just a tad mystical (or incredibly blasphemous, depending on one's religious views) which made me immediately think that she is an ET experiment. What you said above may counter this argument but of course does not rule it out. I don't want to believe the first claim especially, it just sounds wrong, especially when contrasted with what you have said about our near future.

Also, here is the thread: http://theopenmind.freehostingcloud.com/indexe516.html?board=PSI&action=display&thread=11058It is "a template" that she can accept and operate under (IMO).

Otherwise any normal person without her memories would be paralyzed by the questions of why they can do something paranormal like what she describes. Creating the "Appearance of Consistency" is sometimes an ET's best [manufactured] friend.

Example:
Lets say an ET corners you in a back alley somewhere. You may have never met this person, but the information in your head and the feelings in your chest have been crafted to lead you to reason that this person/entity in front of you is to be treated as a lifelong friend, and accept the sensation and memories as real....then that person has quite literally walked into your life from out of nowhere.

With a bit of time and appropriate stimulation a person can become convinced and wholeheartedly believe the person/entity standing in front of them is a life long friend.

But ask them to think back before the moment of realization and their previous perspective and they are likely to come to their senses. At the very least, they will become suspicious.

In Inelias case, it is unlikely she has a solid idea of what the "Source" is. If she believe in something like a rigidly defined figure like that found in the bible she would likely find herself facing inconsistencies over time. Which would break the programmed memories and cast doubt on them.

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The only way to find out where her memories originate is to read her mind persistently for several days while asking her carefully constructed questions. At some point her psychic abilities are going to go active and communicate with something or someone behind the curtain. At which point you can identify the nature of the handler and surmise the nature of her (likely fabricated memories and their) origins.

Pointing out the moment her mind and psychic components connect to the ET network or some other network is probably enough to startle her into introspection.

Some of her abilities are similar to mine. Though she is a bit flighty from appearances. (IMO)

Fore

06-06-2012, 06:44 AM

This is the relevant part:

Such claims, that she is basically an avatar of the Source and that she incarnated to help "raise the vibration level of the planet" only sound just a tad mystical (or incredibly blasphemous, depending on one's religious views) which made me immediately think that she is an ET experiment. What you said above may counter this argument but of course does not rule it out. I don't want to believe the first claim especially, it just sounds wrong, especially when contrasted with what you have said about our near future.
Raising the vibration is a popular idea in the community...though people don't know that the concept itself is based on a basic and major lie. Typical theme when aliens get involved. Seen it a bunch of times.

Only if someone is largely ignorant of metaphysics can they actually believe it. Obvious lies never seem to get caught when it comes from those foreign lips.

Fore

06-06-2012, 07:07 AM

Bill: And, that must have been extraordinarily challenging, to come in from nowhere and nowhen, directly into being a very young human girl on this strange planet Earth, with no manual, guidelines or information about how it is you were meant to be, or what you were meant to be. Inelia: Yes. There was definitely a challenge. And the main challenge was the reaction of others around me, towards me. So, for example, I did have some tools. I did come in with some tools. I was able to download information. So, if I didn’t understand something, normally I would able to just tap into the "collective" and get it.

So that means she has a functional higher mind at the very least. At the very least it also means she is aware that she is accessing some network beyond herself.

A Question I would ask her: Does she get the "downloads" during sleep cycles, waking cycle or a bit of both?

I was speaking... According to one of my aunts, I was talking completely perfect Spanish. In fact, didn’t even have a Chilean accent, when I was nine months old, which was for her, she was totally freaked out by it. But nobody else seemed to take any notice.
And that was because I was trying to understand what people were saying, and what they were trying to communicate, and I couldn’t. So, I simply downloaded the language. [laughs] And used it.

Does not seem she is fully aware of what her body and lower mind is doing. Probably regularly experiences an inadequate level of direct control and observations of the nuances of her awareness. Likely a dissociative side effects from not fully bridging the higher mind with the lower mind?

I can’t do that any more with languages, unfortunately. I don’t... It’s one of those things that I can’t do, but for other things, I can. And, growing up, I think, that was part of the way things work, that I was able to.
The things that I needed, I get. But if something, I’m doing something just because or... because it’s something that I’m interested in, but it’s not needed, then I can’t do it. In other words, she is not fully aware that she is an experiment. Seems to define "needed" in an exterior context. Possibly a limited awareness that something else is in control of her functions and access to features of her own ability.

Bill: If it’s necessary, you will download the program that you need in order to do the job.
Inelia: Right.
Bill: But if you’re just curious, then it doesn’t work that way.
Inelia: It doesn’t work. [chuckles] It doesn’t happen.
Bill: Okay. I remember there was a time that you told me, a couple weeks ago, about... There was once when you found yourself... when you were told that you were speaking perfect Portuguese – and another time when you were told that you were speaking Russian.
Inelia: Right.
Bill: And you didn’t even realize it.
Inelia: Yes. To me, I was speaking English. Right? For me, when I look back and I look at my memory, I’m speaking in English. But to the witnesses, I was speaking this other language, which, for me, is like... Okay. I take their word, and I’ve read about it and I’ve found out that there’s other people that can do that type of thing. But, it’s like, evidence from somewhere else... It’s like, it’s not something I can say, ‘Yes, I can do that,’ because, as far as I was concerned, I was speaking English. So. [laughs] [Sigh] Not aware of her internal nuances and other "advanced procedures". Probably from her lack of awareness that she is an experiment.

Likely means she has little or no conscious interaction with the conductor of the experiment. I wonder if she has unconscious awareness of the handlers?

Bill: Yes. For sure. It wasn’t even conscious.
Inelia: Yes. No. And it’s always been a situation where the other person needs help.
Bill: Okay.
Inelia: So, it was like a person who was very sick. He had a terminal illness. That was the first time that I was... it was seen. And apparently, I was talking to this person in Portuguese for hours, and I had no idea. And other people, again, they were coming in for help or advice. And the last time – it was very simple. It was somebody in the metro in Madrid who were lost.
Bill: Mm-hm.
Inelia: They were in the metro and they were completely lost, this family. And, I went to help them. And, I said I’d given them directions, was showing them how to use the map and where they had to go and everything. I sent them on their merry way, said goodbye, turned around. And the person who was with me says, ‘Did you know, how, where did you learn Russian? Did you know you were talking in Russian?’ I said, ‘No!’ [laughs]

She is apparently consistently unaware of her internal functions. The experimenters probably have monitoring equipment inside her.

She could be improved but it seems that there is no interest to do that? Or perhaps she is too delicate for direct awareness? Who knows??

Fore

06-06-2012, 07:22 AM

SWEET! Sign me up!

http://carm.org/speaking-in-tongues

You can sure bet that if those authentically of God are gifted with such abilities...their counterpart opponents and imposters would want to cultivate the appearances and pretense of such a gift.

The experimentation is not without merit or purpose.

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Keep it in mind so when the ET come you don't get fooled by people in the Earths very population whom speak and understand multiple languages they have never had access to.

It is important to understand the experiments for what they probably are intended to achieve. Disarmament of the population is at least one factions intent. Inelia Benz is just another test lab.

There are ET's whom have no trouble conducting experiments on infants, children, teens and young adults. Of that I don't thinks anyone wants to partake.

Fore

06-06-2012, 07:36 AM

By the way,

My brother is a casualty of blow back. I probably won't get to see him for a few years. It is the price paid for talking. God be with him.

This article was brought to my attention recently:

http://montalk.net/alien/146/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-2

I encourage you to read it and discuss it.

Fore

06-06-2012, 07:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w

Here is Inelia Benz interview if you guys/gals need to see the video the text is based on. In the first 5 minutes you can see that she believes that she exists soley for "the mission". Beyond that she has no purpose.

Sounds like someone who has been "adjusted", eh?

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She describes O.B.E. types of sensory perception. (ESP)

I am aware of that kind of technique but not for extended periods of time. (It was part of an experiment the ET conducted on me)

Her interconnect was probably massively re-adapted to heighten her abilities. That she can leave her body at will means that she does not have a fully connected interconnect. Which explains why she has had such heightened abilities and difficulties performing body-centric functions.

CasperParks

06-06-2012, 09:02 AM

Garuda

06-06-2012, 11:23 AM

By the way,

My brother is a casualty of blow back. I probably won't get to see him for a few years. It is the price paid for talking. God be with him.

Sorry to hear that... My sympathies.

Fore

06-06-2012, 10:37 PM

Speaking in tongues? That one almost slid past me, unnoticed.

Time to get-out and stretch my mind....

First and foremost, look at the original language it was written in. New Testament is Greek.

From my understanding without going and digging it up... When the former disciples of Christ were gathered, shortly after He ascended – Suddenly they began speaking foreign languages and there were people in the crowds who understood each of the languages spoken.

*Foreign or Strange or Odd and so-on languages. The word “foreign” may also apply in the translation from Greek to English.

First, they were told to spread the Gospel. Lets assume a woman or man present in the crowd was a traveler. Perhaps a merchant trader from Germany. Overtime and many travels, they had learned to speak two languages.

It would make sense to gift / bless those given the task of spreading the Gospel with new language skills.

The merchant trader had heard the message in his native language, understood and was able to interpret it. It was likely there were people in the crowd who did not speak the local language, however they heard the message in their native languages.

I am not trying to upset anyone, please do not take this wrong. It is simply theology explained, and there are a number of popular theologies.There is nothing to be upset about as long as you understand the deployment of such abilities.

People in this day and age think of their consciousness residing in their skull. Whereas it is really more like an invisible tree with a multitude of extensions. Spanning up through various unseen levels to make a single human being.

Every time you see something and experience something that information is encoded in other regions higher than that material biological mass inside of ones skull.

Therefore it should not surprise anyone that encoded knowledge can be stripped and transplanted into another individual encoded tree ("Download"/"Upload"). The lower functions of the mind will absorb the knowledge as it runs through it.

From an exterior perspective it would appear though that the person has learned something in a moment.

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Since you are a paranormal researcher, this should not surprise you very much.

When someone is possessed for example, their higher mind and lower mind are commandeered by a foreign spirit along with all of its own unseen extensions. (That invisible part normal people cannot see directly). The possessed mind would begin to merge the encoded structures in their higher mind with that of the "foreign entity".

Therefore that [non-coporeal] entity can that utilize innate knowledge inside a foreign biological body as well as it's own knowledge base.

The deeper the two combine the less separation is present.

I've seen from various accounts in the world that Demons especially like to speak in foreign languages as a trick. (Then again, modern English is a rather recent development in their timespans I'd bet)

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Another easy example in your vein would be mind reading. A spirit simply accesses those invisible parts of you via your field. Like making a splice at a junction box it can read thoughts off your biological mind or the non-biological one.

Gathering enough knowledge over time to impersonate anyone it chooses.

If it uses that junction box in the appropriate way, it can even do basic things like generate content in your own mind as words and transient thoughts. Or it could go slightly further and make itself part of your dreams and take momentary control of them.

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As you can tell, alot of different unseen functions are directly related to each other (in terms of manifestation). There is really no big mystery (IMO) as long as you understand the mechanics and technicalities behind each function and how they relate to one another.

Transferring, Splicing, and Synchronizing foreign knowledge is inside an individual is not all that impressive. The only part that the ET seemingly have trouble with is how well a person can synchronize that knowledge to their own biology.

They are 4D and 5D beings likely imitating the technical art forms established by 10D beings. (IMO)

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At 23 through 26 minutes you can see Inelia Benz describing telepathy and how she pulls information from the higher mind portion of an individual rather than the raw biological mind. (which takes more skill and applied techniques)

She just seems to lack some forms of formal training. She could be improved in different ways if someone actually had the interest.

Fore

06-06-2012, 10:51 PM

People in this day and age think of their consciousness residing in their skull. Whereas it is really more like an invisible tree with a multitude of extensions. Spanning up through various unseen levels to make a single human being.

Every time you see something and experience something that information is encoded in other regions higher than that material biological mass inside of ones skull.

Therefore it should not surprise anyone that encoded knowledge can be stripped and transplanted into another individual encoded tree ("Download"/"Upload"). The lower functions of the mind will absorb the knowledge as it runs through it.

From an exterior perspective it would appear though that the person has learned something in a moment.

I should also mention that as this knowledge leaks down from the higher mind into the lower [biological] mind that it can be sensed as "intuitive knowledge".

Or as the New Agers like to say "Knowing".

Which is why I have always told people not to rely on that aspect of their mind if they do not have an understanding of where that comes from.

Spirits and ET can use this entire methodology to entrain someone into believing something which is not real or even true. They allow the mind of an individual to process the content they "cut and paste" into their internal processes. So that statistically speaking....an individual has a great chance of going with whatever they "feel and sense" is "true".

That is why those two branches like to harp about inner sensations. They can control that. ;)

Encouraging individuals to throw away reason and all the rest and turn inward into themselves is pretty straight forward. The ET's taught me that statistically a person is more reliant on their inner feelings and certain aspects of their mind than their logical reasoning and higher thought processes. (that didn't translate to English very well)

Fore

06-06-2012, 11:02 PM

Spirits and ET can use this entire methodology to entrain someone into believing something which is not real or even true. They allow the mind of an individual to process the content they "cut and paste" into their internal processes. So that statistically speaking....an individual has a great chance of going with whatever they "feel and sense" is "true".

I should further mention that the sensation of "truthiness" is like any other sensation found on the inside of someones mind and body.

It can be generated inside of someones inner world on demand.

Just like in Pontif physical encounter where an ET projected the artificial sensation of "Honor". An ET can say he was born from an Amoeba on Mars (LOL) and project the artificial sensation you feel when something is "true" and that persons mind is statistically likely (if compromised enough) to accept it as if it were true.

ET's often compromise the integrity of a persons mind as well as the reasoning factors of an individual in order to weave their tall tales.

Fore

06-06-2012, 11:07 PM

Sorry to hear that... My sympathies.Thanks.

We are busying ourselves to relocate in the near future. (For multiple reasons)

Fore

06-07-2012, 12:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feZqzZUV19w

21 minutes:

Inelia discusses her ability to affect influence in objects at a distance. Consistent with her heightened abilities.

23 through 26 minutes she describes reading minds and telepathy. Specifically she mentioned reading the higher mind directly rather than the lower mind.

Also talks about advanced skill in mind reading, using a ritualized copy of the contents an individual within ones own mind. Talks about merging influence fields.

27 minutes

Talks about Bi-Location. (Not exactly like I would describe it)

Inelia talks about timeline mechanics as seen from an ESP (psychic) perspective. Shared the difficulties of perceiving accurate information that largely depends on whether things change. Talks of probability momentum. etc

29 minutes through 34 minutes (advanced material)

Inelia and Bill talks about Streiberg and his observation of parallel versions of himself. (Probably via non-filtered or a resynchronized/de-synchronized interconnect.

35 through 36 minutes.

Talks about an ET psuedo-agenda. (propaganda)
Talks about activating foreign individuals fields that she meets.

37 minutes

Talks about being told to remove her personality "mask".
Talks about the handler whom influences her actions and agenda. Given instructions to meet people at a certain time and place with instructions on what to doas instructed.

"I never needed to know why..." [Inelia Benz]

"You never questions it..." Bill

40 minutes
Talks about how she is easily influenced. Inelia was tested upon her impulsiveness and tested for following instructions.

44 minutes

Talks about how she performs basic tests on her higher conscious awareness. (Basic calibration method only)

Fore

06-07-2012, 12:43 AM

45 minutes.

Bill asks what the purpose is. (To test loyalty, responsiveness, impulsive behaviors and follow throughs upon external stimulation)

Note: Evidence suggests that Inelia does not appear to differentiate her higher self from "Source". Likelihood is high that she does not understand her situation very well. Appears to be unaware of how her internal set up works in reference to experimentation.

Testimony suggests she is relatively unaware of the nature of her handler and it's operating method. Likely that she remains unaware of source of instructions and external stimulation to perform activities. Further it seems she has no open (conscious) interaction with the handler of the experiments.

47:45

Talks about [ESP based] "scanning" a roof full of people to determine the field characteristics and status of various individuals. She says she was age 12 or 13. It is likely that Inelia already had an EFM field at such a young age. (Impressive IMO)

Fore

06-07-2012, 02:36 AM

51 minutes

Talked about EFM style healing and some field manipulation on other people.

Talks about planned meetings set up for her.

(Please search this thread for ET "Keys and Locks" system for abductees and contactees. As well as the term "Play Pen and Confinement of Experiencers", "Templates" and the role of Segregation of Communities.

She is talking about the front end of synchronized meetings. Which means there is a back end to it as well. An example is the other person is influenced to set up a meeting with her.

Usually they are influenced via direct communication, influence manipulation of their thought content (Telepathic suggestion) or dream advisories.

Like a key and a lock they both reinforce each others template and have a manufactured interest in each other.

Reference overview: <Montalk.net> http://montalk.net/alien/146/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-2
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53 minutes

Talks about field activation and how it affects a persons level of thoughts.

Talks about being sent to a "lightworker" whom is about to prematurely end their work.

Bill calls it "a support" structure. I'd call it a retention of an assets worth by orchestration of events.

Keys and Locks System of artificially controlled delusions my dear Inelia...;)

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1:06 minutes

Nothing all that interesting other than her acknowledgement that even her friends are being influenced and used in the Key and Locks system that manipulated the induced delusions between them.

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1:09 Minutes

Bill learns that Inelia was given some information [a targeted assignment?] and probably directed to associate with him.

1:10 Minutes

Inelia does as directed, joins the forum and creates a post that she "feels" will catch his attention.

Please read through this article and become wiser: Reference overview: <Montalk.net> http://montalk.net/alien/146/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-2

1:11 minutes

Assignments:Thousands
Length: Short and long

1:12minutes

Inelia describes thousands of people performing the same. Admits it is orchestrated but does not know from what. (Other than "Source")

1:14 minutes
She described the "Template" used on her.

1:27 minutes

She describes the current timeline as ~great~. She needs her ESP glasses and or to stop listening to that false "Source".

Question: Why is it that most New Agers always seem to think things are going great?? If they could peak into the future they would be severely troubled by their nearsighted views. (IMO)

1:29 minutes

Poor conception of timeline mechanics and more [popular] propaganda from ET sources(with a hint of truth).

1:33 minutes

No, no coincidences. I think she is right about that. <sigh> The later part of the interview is pretty boring.

tl2

06-07-2012, 06:27 PM

Hi fore. been re-reading your old posts. I get the distinct impression we are in the war of the contracts or about to enter it. The world seems poised.

Neuru

06-07-2012, 06:45 PM

Hi fore. been re-reading your old posts. I get the distinct impression we are in the war of the contracts or about to enter it. The world seems poised.
Well, we still haven't had the "several volcanoes going off simultaneously" thing. Also, Fore wrote in "My Experiences" that economic collapse will become inevitable and irreversible when (fuzzy) the stock market will go under 6000 points. I suppose he meant one of the Dow Jones indexes. (The Composite Average index or the Industrial Average? The former is 4310.81 at the moment which -is- less than 6000.)

Back in 2009 Fore wrote that there is a large psychic "wall of static" around the years 2014-15 which prevents/interferes with remote viewing. He speculated that this may be something artificial or the result of the psychic emissions of many people who are going to die in that period.

Here is a thread from the former OMF Source "A" board where these are mentioned: http://theopenmind.freehostingcloud.com/indexc7fc.html?board=unitednations&action=print&thread=5333

Search for "Post by fore" and read all three posts by him. (The third one deals with specific earthly events.) Came upon this yesterday by accident. It also answers a couple of questions I posed a few posts back here. (ETs helping survivors, etc.) The word "disturbing" doesn't even come close to what it is.

Should it be quoted here?

CasperParks

06-08-2012, 06:14 AM

She just seems to lack some forms of formal training. She could be improved in different ways if someone actually had the interest.
Agree, with training she should improve.

People in this day and age think of their consciousness residing in their skull. Whereas it is really more like an invisible tree with a multitude of extensions. Spanning up through various unseen levels to make a single human being.

Expounding on what on that topic:

You have a pair of shoes but are not the shoes.

It is not that you have an eternal soul - You are an eternal soul…

You cannot have what you are.

A difference of perception broadens comprehension of reality.

Fore

06-08-2012, 10:44 AM

Agree, with training she should improve.

Expounding on what on that topic:

You have a pair of shoes but are not the shoes.

It is not that you have an eternal soul - You are an eternal soul…

You cannot have what you are.

A difference of perception broadens comprehension of reality.The invisible tree concept is an expression used by several ET to refer to diffuse or abstract concepts that went into lessons.

I haven't really ever written about it because my understanding of it is rather vague or the meanings behind the expressions are multiple meanings as the ET instructors intended.

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In one context it was used to explain how I should understand vestigial components that were not fully formed when it was in reference to me.

In another context it was referring to various non-obvious components that are not derived from the interconnect itself. (3rd intention/3rd level control/ beyond External Field Manipulation techniques etc)

It had various interpretations depending on what subject and method was being discussed/experimented/deployed in its use. It is material that also has little or no cultural background ties that I can find on this Earth. So I decided to simply never mention it beyond a few advanced topics (in passing).

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I had never understood the difference between a persons spirit and their soul. I used the terms almost interchangeably because I didn't have a rigid concept to work with. A few days ago (coincidentally) I learned of the biblical perspective on the difference between a persons Soul and their Spirit and how it affects their relationship with Higher Order entities and the Holy Ghost.

I now better understand (at least one version) of how it is used, refereed to and applied in various ways when talking about a persons spirit vs their soul.

CasperParks

06-08-2012, 11:07 AM

Many consider the body as a container... Flesh, soul and spirit. Flesh, bone and soul. Seen it worded a number of ways.

Often in society, we have witnessed religion twisted as a means to control others. Book of Eli comes to mind as an example. I enjoyed the film.

There much we do not know, and or fully comprehend.

Using what little we are able to comprehend, we reach outward asking for more knowledge.

Fore

06-08-2012, 11:25 AM

@ CasperParks

I would also like to add that I find there is a conflict of paradigms when the body/mind-soul/spirit is referenced.

Interestingly enough, the ET's I met presume the spirit of a person is long lasting and in some sense, ever lasting.

Though the Christian bible is in directly conflict with such a concept as the spirit returns to God after death. The spirit apparently being the thing that makes one "alive".

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After some introspection and analysis of my finding over time it may explain some oddities I have witnessed.

It may explain why "Ghosts" seem to lack a certain signature that indicates they are "alive". I have scanned thousands of Ghosts and they all seem to lack any ESP signature that indicates they have any physical mass.

Ghosts seem to exist in a perpetual decay. As the months and years roll on I have noticed they get weaker if they don't replenish their influence from an external source.

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ET's have (well most do; it's complicated) a living signature. They also register via ESP as having mass and a fixed form even though their phasing technology hides their physical embodiment slightly out of phase.

I have noticed their craft and devices also display mass and material signatures when I scan them.

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Higher Order Entities seem to be a different kind of living sentience. They register with an unusual set of indicators. They register via ESP as "Alive" and emit intense influence. Their signature is different than a living human being or an ET. Strangely they register as having a form but it does not seem to strictly register as being made of physical mass. They register as an embodiment that is something irregular and unknown. They indicate that their physical forms are non-fixed while their spiritual forms (in various levels are fixed form).

(I did, but didn't understand that explanation. baffling)

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Someone who is alive and is doing Remote Projections and Remote viewing experiments still shows a "corporeal" living signature but no mass in their projected influence at a distance. ESP registers an echo of their living signature but the mass of influence does not (obviously) register as material mass.

Regular objects in physical space register as physical mass objects.

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Higher Order Entities I have long noted have an enhanced "living" signature even though they appear to be like a spirit. I have noted that certain Christians have a "brightness" that is similar to theirs.

I have noted different people of different faiths having slightly different types of "brightness".

I have noticed people whom have a theological background but do not possess this brightness. I at first assumed they were not legitimate. But then after some introspection and analysis I suspect it is that they do not seem to connect their invisible extensions (the invisible tree) with the "Source".

I have noticed New Agers whom have this brightness but it feels strangely similar to that of some Nordic ET. It feels strange. Like a cold lamp as opposed to the warm~loving~lamp type signature used by the Higher Order Entities.

ET's seem to be largely disconnected (I assume) from "the Source".

They have like a psychic brightness but it seems to be lacking somehow. Like turning on a bulb inside a home vs standing out in the sun. Seemingly artificial or not the same.

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I have noticed that when the Higher Order Entities appear they are bathed and oozing influence of a strangely comforting and high end caliber. They told me where they come from they are bathed in it.

Demons on the other hand seem to give off an uninviting presence even when they aren't doing anything in particular. They come bathed and oozing a terrible influence that feels like (in a human sense) a toxic black cloud.

Ghosts seem to lack the ability to create living patterns. They seem to collect and absorb living patterns from human sources whom are still alive. It seems to make them more lucid and aware as well as clearly augments their influence reserves.

Some Greys have a living signature (with material mass) but they seem to lack certain key signatures. I sometimes wonder if they are an artificial intelligence in an organic body like people say.

Nordics have a living signature (with material mass). Some of them have a brightness (a strangely ~platonic or somewhat dry~ brightness. Others have a brightness like a human being with strong overtones of humanistic sensations. While others have a very non-humanistic sensation.

Visitor ET have very strange non-human signatures. They are hard to understand telepathically and their signatures are extremely foreign. I cannot make heads or tails of whether they are alive beyond their sentience being apparently obvious. They are also difficult to identify in terms of material mass or corporeal forms.

I suspect the few I have met had some kind of psychic defense or occlusion technique that I was unfamiliar with. I am not really sure if they are alive or not. All indicators seem to point to their alive but strangely unEarthly.

CasperParks

06-08-2012, 12:55 PM

Fore,

Rumored three or four different types of Grey Alien Races.

Rumored there are 72 to 74 various Alien Species coming and going at planet Earth - The heavens, inter-dimensional and time.

Aware of Nordics and others.

Suspect brightness meaning similar to an aura. I like brightness, defines it better.

Thanks: “Body, mind and soul” are the three I was attempting to recall earlier.

Neuru

06-08-2012, 01:30 PM

It may explain why "Ghosts" seem to lack a certain signature that indicates they are "alive". I have scanned thousands of Ghosts and they all seem to lack any ESP signature that indicates they have any physical mass.

Ghosts seem to exist in a perpetual decay. As the months and years roll on I have noticed they get weaker if they don't replenish their influence from an external source.

Ghosts seem to lack the ability to create living patterns. They seem to collect and absorb living patterns from human sources whom are still alive. It seems to make them more lucid and aware as well as clearly augments their influence reserves.
If an interconnect is an elaborate psi construct then that sounds logical. I am not a psychic (and fairly dumb as well, in general) but have read about psi constructs that have sentience and personality and are able to communicate. Alexandra David-Néel's famous (and much-quoted) tulpa incident being one example, though that one did not speak. There are also contemporary claims of people making such constructs. People with a certain form of multiple personality disorder could also be mentioned here (possibly they have more than one "personality"/"ego" construct). So, could some ghosts be abandoned interconnects that took on a life of their own?

Agree, with training she should improve.
The interesting question here would be: How would her handlers react to that? What would they do with her (take a wild guess) after she learned that the "Source" she works for isn't really a benevolent and trusted "source" at all? What would happen to her if she got hold of material that systematically explains how psychic phenomena work? I remember a few years back Fore contacted someone called Blossom Goodchild -- someone who was "handled" much like Inelia. Did not go down very well. Though Inelia seems smarter than her (at least she seems to have a more down to earth/practical mindset).

CasperParks

06-08-2012, 01:37 PM

Fore

06-09-2012, 07:14 AM

If an interconnect is an elaborate psi construct then that sounds logical. Yep.

I am not a psychic (and fairly dumb as well, in general) but have read about psi constructs that have sentience and personality and are able to communicate. Alexandra David-Néel's famous (and much-quoted) tulpa incident being one example, though that one did not speak. There are also contemporary claims of people making such constructs. People with a certain form of multiple personality disorder could also be mentioned here (possibly they have more than one "personality"/"ego" construct). So, could some ghosts be abandoned interconnects that took on a life of their own? They probably could be.

Every time you make a psychic projection or phenomena you are taking a part of the influence that flows around you (EFM) or inside of you (IFM).

Then you give it basic instructions and operations to perform or behave. Making a Tulpa would not be too easy but it wouldn't be too hard if you know what you are doing. Many Native Americans probably engaged in the creation of Tulpas.

Tulpas = Designer PSI Contstucts = Psychic energy separated from the original host interconnect that is then given a pseudo-purpose. Once separate from the host, it could be programmed to maintain and prolong it's existence by simply performing instructed procedures repeatedly as time rolls on.

Absorbing influence, then performing the intended task. Repeat it over and over again = Tulpa

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When I perform complex psychic targetting I usually leave behind influence in someones body and then track their wherabouts and the fragment of influence then transcribes what they go through.

You can see Inelia Benz refer to such a technique. So if you believe her accounts then you have little reason to think I am lying or ever have been. Where there is a "Fore" and an Inelia, there are more.

There are beings made by the ET whom are said to surpass even people like us. Someday (unfortunately) you will probably end up meeting them. (i.e. The name the ET use are "The Children")

Fore

06-09-2012, 07:48 AM

The interesting question here would be: How would her handlers react to that? What would they do with her (take a wild guess) after she learned that the "Source" she works for isn't really a benevolent and trusted "source" at all? What would happen to her if she got hold of material that systematically explains how psychic phenomena work?

It depends on what she is being "used for" and how they expect to "use her" throughout her time as an asset.

If she were to figure out how her abilities really work then she would probably look over my claims and would be "concerned", I'd bet.

I did something similar with Blossom Goodchild. Except in her case I didn't have my abilities functioning at the capacity which would have made it extremely useful. I have found out that every abductee/contactee/experiencer has questions about what is happening to them.

There are questions that go unanswered, are avoided by the ET, are never asked, or are answered falsely by the ET in charge. Pointing out "the lies" are a helpful first step. Then making the person realize that you have "been there" and "done that" makes them realize that your words are not the rantings and ravings of a madman.

The risk of causing someone discomfort is always there.

Having unanswered "Questions" can lead to creating doubt and fear in a person when the certainty of "what they understood" becomes unhinged.

An unscrupulous ET can play on trust and strict obedience.

In the case of Inelia Benz, she assumes that her tasks are important. She had been indoctrinated and lead to believe that performing the tasks is an effort "that will change the world". (*Fore Cringes*)

In Reality, she is only being forced to jump through hoops to test her loyalty to her conditioning and programing. Specifically, how much she believes in the "Template" inside of her head. How far she will go to follow through and why.

As she performs every task, data is collected about how she performed and her score changes in her "Private Profile". The thoughts in her head, her hesitation, her doubts....all that is quantified and is studied and written down in her personal profile.

Her abilities, her performance envelope, her displayed intelligence etc.

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If another ET requires an individual whom matches her profile, her handler will be approached and a deal struck. She will have her life suddenly shifted to perform another task at another location.

Inelia Benz is not really that much different than Miriam Delicado. (or the multitude of others)

They are test subjects raised up in different experimental conditions for varied purposes. When they are no longer useful for the scope of the experiment they are either retired (Cancer, Life threatening Accident, Abandonment) or they are re-purposed into another activity which is useful to the ET Agenda.

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If she "finds out", what she is actually being used for she would obviously question her "Source". If they do not provide answers then they will provide spin on what she should not ask "questions".

Keep in mind, she says multiple times in her interview that she does not know why she does follows directions. She simply performs as tasked and as ordained according to her "Source". She does not question what she has been entrained to do.

She only derived comfort from assuming that she is changing the world in a positive way. All artificial delusions run through her body and mind push her to believe this is the case. Synchronicity (of which the community is so found of) also aid to reinforce her predicament.

She is no doubt quite the happy test subject. (I say that without any form of sarcasm or cynicism believe it or not)

Information that runs contrary to her beliefs will be rejected by her or ignored. If she does not ignore or reject any other explanations then she will grow in asking questions and have doubts about what she is really doing. The "Keys and Locks" system as well as the "Template" system used by the ET are designed to keep her from experiencing doubt and keep the test population "subdued and asleep".

People from the outside looking in see the oddities in behavior and thought processes and assume that it is just a collection of garbage and/or the mentally ill. They also assume any associated accounts are just as false and unverifiable.

That is the purpose and intent from what the ET told me... <shrug>

Fore

06-09-2012, 08:26 AM

The interesting question here would be: How would her handlers react to that? What would they do with her (take a wild guess) after she learned that the "Source" she works for isn't really a benevolent and trusted "source" at all? What would happen to her if she got hold of material that systematically explains how psychic phenomena work? I remember a few years back Fore contacted someone called Blossom Goodchild -- someone who was "handled" much like Inelia. Did not go down very well. Though Inelia seems smarter than her (at least she seems to have a more down to earth/practical mindset). Anywhere from 10,000 to 100,000 people watched our back and forth in her comments.

I wrote about events on her blog that I knew she would pick up on and be familiar with. She started to slowly realize that I knew more than I was letting on. I read her mind passively and listened in as we exchanged messages.

I kept writting strong allusions to knowing what was going on behind the scenes throughout many messages.

Blossom Goodchild began to have legitimate doubts. Then she started to ask questions to the people whom handled her. Her handler(s) became irate, the 100,000 people watching the responses from her ET handlers began to devolve. They (the onlookers and the ET handlers) pushed her questions to the side. When she insisted, the handlers basically asked her not to ask "questions" and to trust her inside. (which they control through their psychic influence...keep that important fact in mind.)

Comments started to flow throughout her blog that the sources she was talking to were "not the same". They became authoritarian, and demanded people stop asking questions which would be answered at some unknown point in the future. (meaning they had no intention of answering the difficult questions I seeded in Blossom.)

As the mask started coming off, they began to become frustrated. They scanned Blossom mind multiple times and so did my ET group. I was instructed to leave the woman alone which I did not do.

People were turned off when the sources became somewhat irate (in a cherry tone) to Blossoms insistence. They "talked" with her and told her not to listen to what I had to say. For a short time they framed me as a negative influence on her. (LOL) They tried to smooth things out. When that didn't work, another ET group stepped in. They presented themselves as being "more pure" and "higher".

According to Blossom they [artificially] gave her a great feeling through her body and mind. When the brainwashing was done. She asked me not to post, then said she would not be responding to me directly anymore. (self censorship)

She admitted to me that I brought her to really think on many important questions. Though she said she couldn't "deal" with the questions at that time and had to instead focus on the false prediction that she was touting for them. She said she had to "trust" them that they knew better.

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The day of the predictions came and nothing happened (as expected). She was heart broken. People asked her to commit suicide. etc.

She issued a videotaped apology asking for forgiveness and that she didn't understand what happened as she cried.

Days later she deleted the blog. Then restored it without the comments. Then left for a while, then returned a month or so back to the old activity. (Apparently, I take it she was influenced a few more times)

To this day she is as bright as ever. Continuing on as if nothing ever happened...<sigh>

[B]Any good question is one good "cleansing" away from having to ever ask it again. (Should be the ET motto for some factions)

pontificator

06-09-2012, 02:56 PM

@ CasperParks

Higher Order Entities seem to be a different kind of living sentience. They register with an unusual set of indicators. They register via ESP as "Alive" and emit intense influence. Their signature is different than a living human being or an ET. Strangely they register as having a form but it does not seem to strictly register as being made of physical mass. They register as an embodiment that is something irregular and unknown. They indicate that their physical forms are non-fixed while their spiritual forms (in various levels are fixed form).

(I did, but didn't understand that explanation. baffling)

I have noticed that when the Higher Order Entities appear they are bathed and oozing influence of a strangely comforting and high end caliber. They told me where they come from they are bathed in it.

The thing about the higher order entities that you must consider is that they live in a native reality that has our reality as an artificial construct within it. In their realm physicality would be dynamically programmable [dynamic energy], as it would be the equivalent of influence in our area, whereas the spiritual component [non-dynamic energy] would be the equivalent of a physical body here. If you think of it as different sides of the mirror than it becomes very simple to understand, and the solid physical reality here with the dynamic supernatural component is the opposite way around for them.

From the Biblical perspective the realm they are in has a large surplus of what was called "dynamic energy", which was used to create this universe, so they should be bathed in that as well as other forms of non-dynamic energy in their realm; the non-dynamic energy, which would not comprise this universe, would be what you are detecting as an unknown configuration [the fixed state.]

*mutters* Although I doubt any Angel or other holy being would confirm or deny that, as it's probably supposed to be a mystery. I like solving mysteries, but it's difficult when no-one will confirm if it has been solved.

In the case of other beings I suspect you'll find that they are located in different areas outside of this universe, like the equivalent of land vs sea creatures as a heavenly equivalent. Naturally it would be expected that they'd have all-sorts of odd and wonderful non-dynamic energy patterns with no equivalent here.

Fore

06-09-2012, 05:18 PM

By the way,

The main factor behind people who have been "treated" by the ET is to simply understand that they are given limited information about what is happening to them. They are forced/pushed to accept what to believe. In what little they know....and the huge number of things they don't seem to know....they have to resolve a narrative that fits their understanding.

The ET are there to "help" them resolve a "false narrative" they can live with and that is usually "a functional relationship" at the very least. They assist in the "experience" of "discovery" until the subject is capable of carrying out tasks remotely.

Some people are simply biological material that some factions use as breeding stock and repositories. The Grey especially told me that some people do not require interaction or "treatment". Whether they understand or not is not important in those cases, as long as they live through it and remain silent. If there is a possibility they may talk, they said they simply insert an absurd narrative into the individual in order to disqualify their accounts "as heard" in front of other non-participants.

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Anyway, I am veering off from the main point I wanted to touch on.

Consider the following...and realize I probably shouldn't admit to knowing about it....that there are mechanisms mental and psychological/psyche functions that the ETs leave behind in individuals. Like leaving behind several ~backdoors~ in a compromised individual.

The term the (intentionally unnamed ET) used was "triggers" (among other names).

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When you approach an Inelia Benz type of individual you can readily assume that there are procedures that have been followed through in the course of treatment. A series of different standardized process that been thoroughly applied by the ET handler(s).

When these "compromised" individuals are done with the process, these "vulnerabilities and features" remain intact for future use in controlling the direction and path of the individual. Some are highly sensitive and suggestible through psychic stimulation.

(Meaning they are "uninhibited" in following through with any external psychic commands and stimulation)

They may be overly sensitive to psychic suggestions. They may develop Pavlovian-esque responses to certain types of stimulation and situational conditions.

(For example, in my case, I cannot watch someones examination without zoning out and feeling incredibly sleepy. Seeing someone being examined around their head or chest makes a funny feeling come out of the center of my head. Like a mesmerizing effect that is very pleasant. Either it is a trained response or one of the artificial psychic structures is picking up on the event and mistrigger response.)

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Okay, but lets go back to the Inelia Benz type of individual.

<*whistles* lets see if the ET jump on me for saying this publicly>

You could say that if you were functionally psychic and examined the subject and determined various key vulnerabilities you could impersonate false credentials to which the individual would respond. If you knew what the vulnerabilities are you could take advantage of the individual because they have been trained to respond favorably to certain "triggers" inside of them.

(Keys and Locks system/Template system)

You could impersonate a belief in their "template". Falsify an account that matches what is hidden in their background experience and even read their mind to obtain details they are "sure" you wouldn't necessarily know if you weren't a "sanctioned" individual.

By falsifying those credentials the individual would likely respond to any questions in a Q and A and they are vulnerable and trusting to those sets of characteristics. The problem is falsifying the second set of routines that emerges after that point. Which is going to show up as (believe it or not) as an expressed desire to fulfill expectations to fulfill a goal.

What I mean is, lets say you read their mind, dredge up content and events and pretend to talk to them (falsely) as if you were "one of them". If you use content that happened to them in their past (and no one else knows it except them) as if you were a part of it, then they are likely to be fooled and assume you are the same as them.

After that, they always want to know why you showed up and what are the "next steps" based on their experience to date. Which is a lot harder....and I am sure if you fail that check the next ET handler to scan them is going to notice someone attempted to utilize them and start an investigation into how it happened.

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If you approach Inelia Benz read her mind remotely, obtain information and review her memories and timing of events that she hasn't shared with anyone....and convince her that you are sent by the "Source" then you would probably be able to authenticate yourself as a legitimate part of her experience. Then ask questions she normally wouldn't respond to if asked by any interviewer and gain information about what she hasn't revealed.

Though when the routine pops up on what you and someone like her are going to do next now that you are authenticated...well, that is harder to fake...and is bound to get noticed by her "Source".

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If you think this is all too hard to believe, keep in mind that many experiencers encounter someone whom does exactly this to them. if someone (whom is unsolicited) walks up to you in a cafe and knows alot about you and your experience and just begins to talk to you as if you have known each other for years and knows about your experience when your own neighbors don't....well that will cause them to try to determine whom the person in front of them is.

Once they are satisfied that they have authenticated the individual in front of them as being "one of them" they will be more open and talk to that individual about almost anything. Even about stuff they would never admit otherwise.

But to be sure, you should not confuse normal routines for abnormal routines that have been inserted. ET leave vulnerabilities in people. There are a number of them that changes from individual to individual.

Some experiencers walk through their life with an open expectation that they will someday meet someone whom is "one of them" on the street or in a parking lot and then be able to open up to them and further advance a "mission" that they have been entrained to believe exists.

Some of the more advanced subjects I have seen assess people on a physical level as well as a non-physical level to base an opinion of whether to authenticate them or not. (like me)

While the majority of experiencers I have met are only basing it on their 5 senses and need to ask the question verbally.

tl2

06-11-2012, 08:27 PM

Well, we still haven't had the "several volcanoes going off simultaneously" thing. Also, Fore wrote in "My Experiences" that economic collapse will become inevitable and irreversible when (fuzzy) the stock market will go under 6000 points. I suppose he meant one of the Dow Jones indexes. (The Composite Average index or the Industrial Average? The former is 4310.81 at the moment which -is- less than 6000.)

Back in 2009 Fore wrote that there is a large psychic "wall of static" around the years 2014-15 which prevents/interferes with remote viewing. He speculated that this may be something artificial or the result of the psychic emissions of many people who are going to die in that period.

Here is a thread from the former OMF Source "A" board where these are mentioned: http://theopenmind.freehostingcloud.com/indexc7fc.html?board=unitednations&action=print&thread=5333

Search for "Post by fore" and read all three posts by him. (The third one deals with specific earthly events.) Came upon this yesterday by accident. It also answers a couple of questions I posed a few posts back here. (ETs helping survivors, etc.) The word "disturbing" doesn't even come close to what it is.

Should it be quoted here?

Thanks for the info. 2014-15 is very near now. Yikes!

pontificator

06-12-2012, 01:31 PM

Fore

06-14-2012, 11:50 PM

@Fore, in an interesting development I've identifed that I am being directed in certain situations [haven't quite pinned the source yet, but possibly an ability.] It is much the same effect as when I thought about taking a picture of the three small holes after the original visit, but slightly different. I happened to be at a conference today [I never get invited to conferences, but then again there I was,] and a little outside of my depth, but I noted I was far too sharp [in what to say] and very quick and clear in my replies. That is not normal in any way shape or form, so it seemed odd [although I am pleased I scored a very nice notepad and pen as a gift.] I understand what you are trying to describe and say.

In the first part of the above paragraph you are trying to convey to me that someone is influencing your actions externally.

When I have evidence in front of me and "I know" I should take a picture, a counter-intuitive thought process takes over. I have traced the effects to be whomever is directly in front of me at the time and strongly prefers I did not collect evidence of the encounter.

The ET reach into your mind and massage your brain for a while to making sure you don't do anything which would impact the agenda at hand. If they are in front of you, they don't want you to raise a digital camera at them and snap photos of them. (Nor a camcorder) If you insist, they warn you openly that if you do so they will disable the devices electronics. (Which they always have when I push myself)

After the warning is issued, the device goes dead on command. Then they warn you that if you insist on taking pictures of them, they will permanently damage the device. (which they sometimes do)

If you become annoying in observing their activities they flood your head with influence and put an overriding urge to sleep. Followed by an intense sensation that overcomes your biological anatomy in your head. Mainly your brainwaves chain and I have learned that they switch the patterns (artificially) in your head into a sleep state.

But since I was accustomed to controlling my own anatomy using my own abilities and can stay awake despite this, they usually wait or leave.

In that state, you feel like you are physically asleep while your eyes are fully open, though you are still fully aware. Your physical body undergoes the sensations created by a sleep state even when you are standing upright and at attention. Your eyes become heavy, your sleeping slows down significantly and you feel like your head is dowsed in natural chemical.

That is how it is when they are in a pissy mood for trying to record them or watching them too closely. (especially the Grey)

I used my defiant opportunities to try different options to circumvent the process. I found out in a my teens that if I exert direct control over my body by using my own psychic structures that with a specific set of sequences you can undo the effect they push on you and snap out of it for a short time. But they tend to push harder to re-induce the state change of your body.

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Anyway, better not go off on a tangent.

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The later half of your message is about speaking in context without micro pauses normally associated with speech. I am familiar with that. The more integrated the higher mind becomes the easier and more apparent it will be to augment or bypass certain [lower mind] process features found in your physical anatomy.

Meaning: Keep in mind your higher thought processes and your lower through processes occur in two separate locations. One occurs while embedded in spacetime (lower mind) while the other happens largely outside spacetime. (more or less) Your lower mind is a biological machine in that it performs according to it's anatomical functionality.

That means that the lower half of your conscious operations follow a specific convention. You have to momentarily pause as your mind thinks in terms of what it is going to say. In a normal persons conversation the pause is faily small. Only about a second or two as your train of (lower) thought is already cognizant of the conversation and what is being spoken about.

The only way to increase the lag time between what your thinking and speaking (in the lower mind content) is to have someone introduce a topic that is outside the scope of what is being talked about.

So if you are talking about football around the water cooler then you are cognizant of what the trajectory of the conversation is going to be. Your (lower) mind is keeping track of it as the words flow out of the other persons mouth. Though if the other person starts talking about berry farming (?) in mid sentence you train of thought is interrupted and you won't know what to say next until your brain (lower mind) goes through the process of thinking about what it intends to say next. There is an increase in lag time.

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With the lower mind, the thought processes are usually quicker and occur outside of time (in more than one sense). If you allow the higher mind to control certain aspects of your lower processes then it can inject information directly through your anatomy and without certain cognitive procedures being followed through.

So from your personal perspective, you are saying something which does not track with what you have "pre-considered" in your lower mind and its cognition of what is going on. Your lower mind hasn't run through the strict process of compiling information and sentiments or running through thought processes to keep track of what you have said. It hasn't distilled nor is it directly aware of what you are talking about.

Your higher thought processes do know though what you just said and what is going on.

This is like automatic writing wherein either your higher mind takes over features of your lower mind and writes information down....or an external entity "hacks in" and does it for you.

Your speech centers are similar in that your lower mind is not aware of what is really going on because it is being left somewhat out of the loop.

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In your case, at the festival, you started to respond without a pause because it is possible your higher attention was orchestrating the exchanges of words without the other [lower cognition] part of you knowing what was being said or what the next series of words would be.

I have met many whom can do that sort of thing, and they typically do not know what they said until they review their own words. Either through a tape recording or by reading.

I do not engage in such things as it tends to make you openly suggestible.

As a side consequence though, you'd become more "influence-able" if you are not careful.

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If you tap into an individual like an Inelia Benz, they are very suggestible as long as it comes in through their mind and passes simple checks in their higher and lower cognition. As an ET telepath if you "connect" to them, you can strongly influence their mind without saying anything verbally. They will become steerable into a multitude of situations or topics of conversations. Enough so that you can dictate the content of any conversation in their speech. Even up to plotting out the specific words that they have to abide by.

Sort of like what the ET did for me when they didn't want me to talk about specific things. They employed editorial reviews of content I hadn't yet talked about. Even referring to words and situations involving specific members or a general community that weren't going to happen until days or weeks into the future.

The situations were exactly as described. Though don't worry too much, most of the instructions were about avoiding trouble, simply avoiding a topic of conversation, avoiding details or wholesale censorship.

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P.S. Integrating the higher mind complex and the lower mind into one makes it easier to control yourself and thwart undue influencing. Because you become aware of what is happening at either end of the spectrum. You can also glean insights that do not happens at the lower levels of consciousness.

Fore

06-15-2012, 12:03 AM

I noted that when I was speaking I was relying on the front of the cranium [when I think I normally think centrally within the skull] to produce the correct answers, like a differal with the added requirement of a degree of trust. It is rather difficult to describe, and incredibly subtle, it was like I was operating a bypass with the ability to say pretty much what I've always wanted to be able to say on the fly... absolutely no forethought required before reply. All points are correct.

That is what it is like. Just keep in mind that an entity with skills can "patch in" and insert their own content. So make sure to secure that feature thoroughly otherwise....

It might be worthwhile if you go over the difference between an external entity doing such, and the higher-mind doing the same, there is probably some definative way of nailing it down.

It depends on two specific features.

Sensitivity: You have to be extremely sensitive and also level headed. You have to be a reasonable and logical individual whom is sure footed on reality.

You sensitive ESP should alert you to foreign influence fields which are not your own. Either in the environment or nearby. By observing these influence fields with extreme clarity and a level headed mind you can figure out pretty easily which are your personal intentions and which are not.

You should also understand what merging your field with a telepathic source is like in order to understand and observe the internal disturbances that occur when someone else has grafted or merged their field into yours. There are tiny nuances that cannot be distilled into areas or locations of your head.

You should also have distinct awareness of your internal and external psychic structures and be perpetually aware of what is happening inside of you. Should you have this attention to detail you will be able to tell when something outside of you has attempting to gain access to your internal influence or external influence.

With your sensitivity being heightened you should also learn to "map" what various kinds of influence types mean and what they relate to in the real and unseen world. Phenomena/Physics/Processes

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The other feature is Awareness and Self Control/Detachment,

The insides of your mind produce sensations that can be correlated to processes. Being self aware of the nuances of different processes is difficult and time consuming in terms of memorization.

Most people do not seem to be very aware of themselves at a conscious level. You will have to be conscious of all of what goes on inside of you. Some of the sensations are non-physical sensations, others are strictly physical sensations.

During the mapping of each process you will soon be able to tell the difference between internal and natural processes vs external (artificially induced) processes.

You have (or should) learn how to use all parts of your mind/anatomy in unnatural ways.

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The ET's know how to turn on and off specific features without making you lose consciousness. You have to learn how to do the same.

You will also have to learn how to use your own internal and external influence field to control your body and it's anatomy via these psychic implementations.

Therefore if they affect your body or mind in one way, you can set it back to the way it was without their permission. Someone whom does not know is always going to be at the mercy of the other [influencing] party.

P.S. Feel free to attempt to gain control over their [ET] bodies and all associated components to help them understand the concept of "personal boundaries".

Fore

06-15-2012, 12:12 AM

By the way,

Yesterday I had one (possibly two) visitors. I guess something caught someones interest. I'll talk about it later (tired of typing)

Fore

06-17-2012, 06:57 PM

If you become annoying in observing their activities they flood your head with influence and put an overriding urge to sleep. Followed by an intense sensation that overcomes your biological anatomy in your head. Mainly your brainwaves change and I have learned that they switch the influence patterns (artificially) in your head into a sleep state. (Meaning they change the state of your brains operation and therefore your brainwaves change)

But since I was accustomed to controlling my own anatomy using my own abilities and can stay awake despite this, they usually wait or leave.

In that state (when they try to put you to sleep by influencing your anatomy), you feel like you are physically asleep while your eyes are fully open, though you are still fully aware and awake. Everything continues as it had been but you feel your physical body undergoes the sensations created by a sleep state even when you are standing upright and at full attention. Your eyes become heavy, your sleeping slows down significantly and you feel like your head is dowsed in natural chemical that I realized only occurs when you are deep alseep.

Though you don't actually hallucinate or anything like you would expect in a dream state or half awake state (not me at least). You can do pretty much everything you normally can do in an "unaltered" state. For example doing math, see things clearly (though sometimes your eyes want to dilate).

I have long realized that they do it with the intention of probably affecting your memory and recall of events as one Grey pointed out a long time ago. To be honest though...I don't know if it is because I controlled my anatomy through my own influence (as in unnaturally) or something, or because I counter their influence?, but it doesn't seem to have the intended effect on me.

That is how it is when they are in a pissy mood for trying to record them or watching them too closely. (especially the Grey)

I used my defiant opportunities to try different options to circumvent the process. I found out in a my teens that if I exert direct control over my body by using my own psychic structures that with a specific set of sequences you can undo the effect they push on you and snap out of it for a short time. But they tend to push harder to re-induce the state change of your body.

I changed the text slightly because I noticed there were typos from sentences I had removed previously.

Fore

06-17-2012, 07:09 PM

With the higher mind, the thought processes are usually quicker and occur outside of time (in more than one sense). If you allow the higher mind to control certain aspects of your lower processes then it can inject information directly through your anatomy and without certain cognitive procedures being followed through.

So from your personal perspective, when using your higher mind as a substitute for your lower mind, you can say something which does not track with what you have "pre-considered" in your lower mind and its cognition of what is going on. Consider that your lower mind hasn't run through the strict process of compiling information and sentiments or running through thought processes to keep track of what you have said. It hasn't distilled nor is it directly aware of what you are talking about. (When you use your higher mind as a substitute process.)

Your lower thought processes do know though what you just said and what is going on.

This is like automatic writing wherein either your higher mind takes over features of your lower mind and writes information down....or an external entity "hacks in" and does it for you.

Your speech centers are similar in that your lower mind is not aware of what is really going on because it is being left somewhat out of the loop.

Wow, major context typos.

I should have checked the splicing I did in the background. Chalk the errors up to not paying attention and trying to distill too much into too short an area.

pontificator

06-18-2012, 01:41 PM

About two nights back I noticed that the one that caused the pattern change had turned up again [where I can see the actual random pattern change to a regular ordered pattern when in darkness], didn't even wait for me to get to sleep after I turned out the lights for the night. So, intrigued, I ran a little investigation [pressure flicked to the front forehead, so it's up-to something] into what it possibly was [well, its there and not going away.]

Cogs... yes, cogs... the entire pattern formed a coherent image of white cogs on a white cloud-lit background, arranged like a Babbage engine on it's side. Clearly whatever it was was mechanical in nature to some degree, so I took a closer look at one of the cogs and then realized the scale of what I was observing [nano-cogs], and the implications as to the inherent properties and advantages of such a design [I understand certain aspects of nano-technology fluid driven generators etc.] It also noticed that I understood, and rapidly changed it to a different configuration [with a rapid increase in noise and pressure] which was a variation of the same theme involving a differential gear-less transmission system for much the same computational purpose [I recognized the interlocking conical designs, and worked out what it most likely performed as a function.] It changed this again very rapidly to a complex multi-layered cog based system which wouldn't look too out of place in the workman's scene of Metropolis, along with what appeared to be a time-shift based mechanism. I took one look at it and didn't bother, it was clear it was simply either testing my abilities or running interference to stop me from examining it.

So, that would appear to be my higher-minds current interpretation of the inner workings of a Grey's influence pattern and computational engine... or at least I assume it was a grey, could have been something else. It it pops along again I'll see about some minor reprogramming ;)

Fore

06-19-2012, 04:02 AM

On 6/13/2012 late in the afternoon or around evening I had finished yard work. I stepped inside to wash my hands and face because some grass had jumped up that high. When I go to open the door to the bathroom, I noticed a large coherent disturbance standing on the other side of the door.

I unintentionally recoiled backwards because part of my ESP senses told me I was about to directly collide with something in front of me.

The influence fields of the entity went from ground level to higher than my head. Approximate size of the entity was 8 feet tall. I noticed the fields read like a Variation of a Grey pattern. But I didn't recognize the individuals distinct signature or the variation. The closest variation I have in my mind that matches this variation is that of a Supervisor.

I stood still for about 30 seconds and looked directly at its position in the environment as it stood still. I noticed that it moved away as if it were aware that I was observing its location rather than walking through the disturbance and containing my activity.

I don't think it was expecting my observation of it. I suppose it is not familiar with my ESP.

It moved away from me with apparent awareness after I made it obvious that I was staring at it and sizing it up.

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I did not attempt to communicate as I have been avoiding anything related to the ET and am following strict advice to report any intrusions to any Higher Order Entity I can get ahold of in the area.

In the back of my mind I wondered for a moment if "IT" was following standard observation procedures that they usually conduct just before an abduction or encounter event. In the back of my mind I thought it was a bad sign that "one of them" had come around to perform observations.

Then I wondered if it was related to anything I had written recently. I also wondered if it had anything to do with the increasingly Terrestrial ET whom had been approaching me months prior to this.

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Later that night, while sleeping, I became aware/lucid that I was dreaming during a dream state.

The content of the dream had to do with seeing a strange storm in the distance. It looked like a dark thunderstorm which then looked like a black tornado. I became aware that this was a repeat dream from previous years while I was dreaming and noticed while running through the motions that this dream was from earlier years and began to commit the events to memory.

I was inside a house with various people around me and we were attempting to hide from the storm for some strange reason. As the storm in the distance formed and changed characteristics I began to recall the ending of the dream in my background thoughts and tried to observe details while not allowing myself to interfere with the contents of the dream.

As the dream progressed noises of a strange type occurred outside in the sky. a portion of the storm in the dream beyond the window turned into a large humanoid figure as if it's body were made of a black clouds and rapidly moving winds.

Seemed like something out of a b-flick movie. (with better SFX lol)

The clouds collapsed into a large being which stood tall into the dark clouds around it. The people inside were running around for cover inside the house in the dream. Suddenly there was a bright series of flashes of blue thunder.

For some reason, as I observed myself going through the motions of the pre-ordianed dream, the main concern in the dream was to hide within the house from something that was coming rather than the storm outside.

It seemed that the storm outside did not hold the fear factor for us in the dream....as the bright blue flashes did. The bright blue flashes started to cover the outside of the homes' windows as a bright light. Some windows flashed in blue while other windows remained bathed in blue light. Then there was noises coming from the rooms which we weren't hiding in. There were noises of either thunder or of the frame of the house being under some kind of pounding weight.

For some strange reason int he dream it was obvious to me that everyone knew that someone was coming for us and I recalled in the back of my mind that the next scene is a long snaking probe like thing trying to find me.

I started to interfere in the dream to see if I could find a better hiding spot than what I am supposed to choose. But the dream went on almost uninterrupted as if it were trying to stay on track. From one of the windows or walls a large snaking artificial probe came through and a blue light came out of the face of it.

I recognized as I observed objectively that I was looking at some kind of rendition of a tethered probe that was looking through the rooms. I recall while still dreaming in "a detached observation" that the thing seemed to have some sensing apparatus near the front about the size of my shoulders and head.

I looked down at my body to determine what I looked like and noticed that my body was younger than my real life body. Probably from when the dream first ran I was about 12 to 13 years old in size and shape.

I ran another room to the predestined location as set in the dream. I observed from a pile of boxed "things" that the tethered probe was snaking from side to side looking for where I was. As it approached I looked dead on into the sensors in front of the device and noticed it had some kind of slits for a camera, but they were separated almost like eye distance. Around these sensors there was a bright blue light emitting everywhere into the room. As it approached I noticed (as a detached observer) that the device was moving like you would expect a machine to move as it scans back and forth looking for something.

When it got close to the end of the dream as pre-ordianed....As it got closer I noticed a strange sensation coming across from the device. As if it were artificial intelligence. As the device positioned itself to look straight at me, (as a detached observer) I thought of how the blue light reminded me of the movie skyline with the probes and stuff.

I then thought to change the last few seconds of the end of the dream intentionally. I interfered in the progression of the last few seconds and moved my younger looking arm to grab one of the boxes from a pile I was hiding behind. I thought to block my face from the sensors to see what would happen.

As I did so, I got a strange sensation in my mind that the device was artificially confused. (this event does not happen in the original dream)

Then a series of written letters/words appeared in my mind. As if there was a prompt flashing into my mind with white letters. The prompt read several things, one of them was written in English which was a version number. (This did happen in the original)

Another line read a readout of the devices apparent confusion that it detected an individual but couldn't resolve why it would not positively identify it as a person without a head view. (This did not happen in the original)

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The dream then ended and everything turned to black. I was waiting to wake up when an odd thing happened. The blackness before you wake up went away (that never happens) and the last scene replayed from where it left off.

As I observed the dream suddenly restart on it's own from where it left off. The artificial probe was still in the last position I recalled in the dream. Strangely I was still holding the box in front of the sensors. The blue lights from the periphery of the sensors were replaced with bright yellow light that was giving off heat.

I was perplexed 1) by the dream restarting from where it finished. That shouldn't happen. 2) the very real sensation of heat and brightness coming from the probe's now yellow lights. It felt as if it was coming from my real skin instead of my dream skin.

The dream then ended again abruptly and as the black took over, I noticed the physical sensation of two fingers touched my cheeks as if someone is pulling your eyelids down and open to check your eyes to see if you are conscious or not.

Thats when I sprang awake to push off whomever was pressing down on my face. But I saw nothing except the fading sensation of the pressure on my cheeks. I wondered if it was a phantom sensation or memory from the dream or just a phased out ET checking on my condition to see if I was awake?

I looked around the room and saw nothing. I used my ESP while laying but I couldn't get a scan of the area going. (For some reason it is much harder to do it laying down?) I propped myself up and did the scan again. The was a reverberating influence in the air. As if someone had disturbed the environment.

I scanned with my ESP in several directions but could not detect anything. Though the back of my mind told me something disturbed the normal ambient static of the influence around me. I ran the scan several times in different configurations to see if someone was using standard techniques to hide their presence nearby. That is when I noticed that something odd. There was more disturbances to my left than anywhere else.

It was almost as if something was hiding its presence so well that I couldn't pick it up. I felt the wake of the disturbances left behind rather than the hidden influence I was looking for. (sort of like seeing the wake and ripples on the sea behind a boat as it passes through without actually seeing the boat itself. I then tried to convinced myself that perhaps I had caused the interference itself while asleep or maybe I wasn't reading things right because of my inactivity.

I thought that was a strange and unfamiliar technique if indeed something was hiding. Almost as if something was doing that I saw movement from my left (with my physical eyes) but when I turned to look at nothing).

Fore

06-19-2012, 04:03 AM

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I thought it was inconclusive and had never seen that kind of technique in the various ET I met. I decided to lay down to sleep again, when I again felt two fingers seemingly in the same spot as before. Like somehow my cheeks being pushed down on.

I decided it might be my imagination (though I couldn't convince myself of that) and I stayed awake for the rest of the night. The time of the event was at 5:45am to 6:00am.

Fore

06-19-2012, 08:54 PM

I want to talk about something which I had previously prepared some materials and graphics for months ago. I hadn't been able to type it out because I know it is one of "those topics" that I had been asked to censor by the ET.

I know when if I talk about it they will jump on me, God willing hopefully not the case....

The main reason is because these series of posts pull the tarp off of several mysteries which apparently confuse UFO researches (from my point of view).

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The topic covers the well worn topic of phasing technology, UFO photographs, "seemingly contradictory " eyewitness accounts due to partial occlusion caused by phasing techniques, apparent distortions seen by witnesses and some aspects of the causes of UFO discharges and luminosity.

After watching the tarp being pulled back, you will probably want to look at cases differently and ultimately realize what was [potentially] actually going on behind the curtain.

Fore

06-20-2012, 03:22 AM

The first thing I want to cover is the explanation I got from one small Grey male when I asked (as a pre-teen) how they could hide from "observers". The explanation he gave in response was a very telepathically simplified (for him) "technical" response. It had loads of diagrams, specs and ~theory of designs~ and implementations pouring into my mind followed by an English version to add context to the imagery.

He very technically "answered" my question. The problem was I didn't understand the very nuanced response as it refereed to processes and technologies I wasn't (at that time) yet familiar with. A few years later "The [nordic-like] Advisor" broached a different subject in a series of lessons of "show and tell" lessons. That particular series of instructions enlightened me as to what phasing was and the many years of references to such technologies began to make sense.

The knowledge I was missing in my youth was what kept me mystified when they would talk to each other and answer some of my questions with technical details and simplifications. I recalled earlier conversations and put 2 and 2 together and realized what they had been talking about and describing.

The following is the explanation I received as a pre-teen. Now that those who are reading are sufficiently familiar with the concept of "phasing" technology I will put forth that explanation as close to verbatim as I can. (Minus some of the graphs and minute details)

I will also try to put forth some ?circumstantial? and eyewitness proof that it is being utilized as described in different circumstances. Hope it helps and lets you guys/gals go over old cases and wonder if you were correct in picking the real from the fictitious accounts. Lets hope.

Fore

06-20-2012, 09:46 AM

The first concept to describe to get you up to speed is the standard application of phasing technology.

Usually as I have described it, I have limited the descriptions to simply "a bubble" of spacetime that is pushed out of phase with respect to the rest of the universe. In other words it is like isolating a personal pocket of spacetime (be it 3 feet across or 300).

By isolating this pocket of spacetime you can remove (to varying degrees) the full force of the universes physics on the object within. Isolating the object or people within this pocket you can then control the amount of exerted gravity and the passage of time.

Like a de-synched pocket or bubble of spacetime, the objects inside behave differently inside it than the rest of the environment outside this isolated bubble. You can reduce the enforcement of a nuclear level process and other constants that are thought to be impossible to negate or control.

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The most common use is:
--Hiding entire ET complexes/buildings/bases/barracks by pushing the phase of the entire facility out of synch.

Even if you knew where it is, you can never set foot within the isolated spacetime bubble. Understand? Good, moving on.

---Hiding aircraft/spacecraft from detection as they travel in and around the earths atmosphere.

----Abduction events, Contact events

Usually to walk through the walls of someones home or to pull people out of their cars/boats etc. There are some advantages from phasing the people conducting "a close encounter".

They can hide the immediate appearance of the craft and crew from the abductee's eyesight or a contacted individual until they subdue him or her. This is so that there is limited recall of factual details. ET also use these to partially thwart the observations of other third party observers as they conduct their business.

They can for example take someone into a "phased out" vehicle and conduct experiments or examinations. While inside the vehicle the person may account for experiences of 6 hours of activity. But when the person is returned to their last location outside the vehcile and the "phased out" pocket of spacetime there may only be 2 hours in terms of the passage of time.

This last version is the one I will talk about the most today. There are various modes of operation that are unlikely to be obvious unless you know an ET whom blabbed about methods and procedures.

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The evidence I will try to present will show that it is not necessary to push an entire craft out of phase in order to hide it from apparent view. There are modes that ET use (as described by them) that are not as well known yet are written about in accounts.

In various accounts these events show up as anomalies and "apparent contradictions" that seem to "throw off" researchers understandings of an event and....dare I say it...is even used by disinformation campaigns to create the illusion of a technique or technology that is more fiction than actual science. (IMO)

Fore

06-20-2012, 10:08 AM

When phasing technology is used in conjunction with other technologies it can create strange side effects.

For example, on the lowest settings, a craft can remain non-visible to an observer from the ground yet remain [technically] non-phased. Non-phased means that the craft is not shifted out of phase and is like any other object in the universe.

This is accomplished by using phasing technology like a sheath or shroud around the outside of the craft. This technique requires (in certain settings) that only a certain region beyond the surface of the craft remain partially phased out. It could be 6 inches or 300 feet.

Like a shell/shroud the craft itself is not phased out (in any complete sense). The craft is simply encircled by this effect so that it creates a boundary from which it is "optically isolated".

If it were possible (and if the settings were properly set) as one ET explained it to me, a person could throw a rock at the thin phasing shroud surrounding the craft....and the rock would appear to strike something that would not be seen and fall to the ground.

If the same were done while the craft was using the standard phasing technique the rock would never encounter the surface of the craft and it would continue on it's trajectory through the air.

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The difference between the two is that the phasing shroud technique only creates a small "buffer" zone so that light is trapped and redirected/diffused. The standard phasing techniques phases everything, not just a tiny border around the craft.

Fore

06-20-2012, 10:58 AM

Now that I have covered those differences in application. I will now start to use graphics and my own bad art work to render what the ET showed me and explained of how the "phasing shroud" process works. I will also cover why they said it is sometimes a "preferable option" to standard phasing techniques.

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Figure A. -The "Superconducting" Photon Shell held within a time-delayed phasing shroud.

This is what the phasing shroud looks like when it is used only for optical [isolation] invisibility.

The arrows depict a near verbatim explanation by one of the small Grey members in my ET group circa 1992. The external ambient photon enters the phasing shroud (the phased region of space encircling the outside of the craft).

The photon is retained and redirected while time delayed due to the effects of the phased region surrounding the craft. When the photon is released it is released in a different direction. The phasing field does not only redirect the photon but also either

A) Retains the light in the photon shell and is not allowed to leave (in certain modes) or
B) It is released gradually as dispersed light (diffused) so that the original photon is not readily noticed by organic observers on the ground.

I was told (in a complicated explanation) that sometimes they only retain certain parts of the spectrum the human eye can see. Other times they modulate the release so that human eye acuity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_acuity) is insufficient to notice the release of light. Though they said this doesn't apply to cameras which work in a different way in terms of collecting and processing light.

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This region where the photon enters the phased space is likened by the Grey to "a panel".

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Figure B. The photon shell depicted as numbered panels.

He told me at the time that he was exaggerating the size of "the panels" when he depicted it telepathically in my mind with the other graphs and diagrams and specifications. He stated that "the panel" that received the numerous photons is too small for the human eye to see as it is scaled to photon sizes.

It stated that through modulation and complex formulas they utilize as standard processes; they eject the light in a way that the human eye cannot form a coherent image. At distances of less than 900feet the effect becomes an optical distortion as seen by the unaided human eye. At greater distances human eye acuity simply fails to notice the non-random ejections. (Said by the Advisor)

Refer to figure B. The path of the light that strikes panel 1 might exit minutes later through panel 24. Through this process the panels diffuse the return image in certain configurations.

In other configurations, they simply absorb the light and retain it. When they do that, I was told that the configuration changes in complex ways to project what is behind the craft or they simply retain the energy until they are ready to discharge it.

Due to this they said the energy builds up in the phasing shroud (the photon shell) as well as from the friction of travel in certain linear modes of travel. When they approach a certain destination they usually release it appropriately before coming into contact with the ground.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2iut89i.jpg

Figure C. The shroud acting as a collector in conjunction with other layered fields.

Fore

06-20-2012, 11:22 AM

More graphic to help you visualize it.
http://i47.tinypic.com/29ofrps.jpg

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Fore

06-20-2012, 11:43 AM

http://i47.tinypic.com/98gdjq.png
Courtesy of http://www.coasttocoastam.com
Link: www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/06/17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVwCk4EH_I8

Scroll to 2 hours and 5 minutes to hear some of the testimony.

The show is a very good explanation (IMO) of what happened when AFOSI and disinformation agents get involved and corrupt once legitimate cases. You should keep the Avairy and the Aquarium at a distance from the community.

The ORIGINAL Bennewitz case was seemingly of one with a camera whom caught the government red handed in dealing with ET craft. He apparently had evidence that put the ET craft in the Airforces backyard. Which would be a problem if they later claim they had no involvement. It explains why he was targeted and debunked in a very nasty campaign. Everything beyond the beginning of the Bennewitz case is (After AFOSI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_Force_Office_of_Special_Investigations)) is corrupted bunk.

Some of those former AFOSI folks/Avairy folks still keep tabs on the community to this day.

Fore

06-20-2012, 12:25 PM

http://i49.tinypic.com/2rxvad2.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2utlxg2.jpg

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http://www.entropygames.net/files/animated/shiny/120-cell.gif
Courtesy of: http://www.entropygames.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69:4d-maya&catid=35:art&Itemid=54

tl2

06-20-2012, 01:03 PM

breaking... russa, china, iran, syria & us - the war of the contracts?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-russian-and-chinese-military-forces-on-syrian-soil-prevent-obama-from-bombing-syria.html

Fore

06-20-2012, 01:41 PM

The next part I will discuss is pretty easy to understand:

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Figure A. Partial occlusion diagram

http://i45.tinypic.com/4lhe6p.jpg

The ET use the modes described above in conjunction with segmentation. The reason is because there are certain particulars in phasing technology that have to be followed through with which creates complications in terms of synching different phased objects.

In some cases, they instructed me on the lessons for those scenarios. They sometimes allegedly opt to compromise their invisibility in return for flexibility in terms of how they handle situations they are presented with.

At times they instructed me that they will be required to expose part of their craft to observers on the ground if they require or proceed with movement back and forth between their craft and the area of interest beyond the craft.

In these cases having phasing fields surrounding the craft can hamper "entering and exiting" situations. For example, they might need to move about on the exterior of the craft itself so they will disable the exterior field. They may not have enough room with respect to the craft to switch phasing modes while on the ground.

They may be doing a proverbial "quickie" where they have to cut visits short (as in, in and out in a shorter period than usual).

There are many reasons they cited. I can't recall all of them at this time. The main thrust though is that they can segment the field around the craft so they don't have to be fully visible 360 degrees around the craft. Meaning in the above figure A, they can opt to segment the phasing field in one specific direction when using the modes described above.

People whom are standing in Position C (refer to the above graphic) will be able to see the craft. While people in Position A will be able to witness the craft becoming visible and invisible if it turns or if they (the people on the ground) move about in different directions as it floats and moves in the sky. People in Position B would not seen anything unusual. They "may" perhaps see a glow in the distance from the back scattering of light on the ground.

People in Position B would testify though that they saw nothing unusual. Which would obviously contradict others testimony on the ground. A UFO researcher would probably be confused as to why all witnesses available did not see the same or described differences between their vantage points which makes it appear as if it is inconsistent testimony.

If the ET turned off the "phasing shroud" all the witnesses would be able to see the same from every vantage point.

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There is another reason why ET do this (allegedly). There are also monitoring stations on the ground which they need to be aware of (as one Grey mentioned over and over in the years past).

They can modulate which sources of radiation touch the surface of the ship. As described before in the previous posts above, they can target specific spectrums including electromagnetic signals like radio waves and RADAR.

If you have ever heard of UFO cases where the craft is on Radar for the longest and then disappears from radar while still remaining visible to the observers...well now you have an idea of why.

The same is true of UFO that would show up on Radar but which air craft controllers could not see in the visible spectrum. They (the ET) can use the lowest phasing settings to impede certain kinds of detection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2YsLk94qyc
A simple example is the Jose Escamilla video documentary. (at 2:30mins)

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The main thrust of my explanation is not that ET's can hide their optical presence. It is that researchers don't seem to make the connection as to why certain folks see a UFO on the horizon and others in the immediate area do not.

There is also (IMO) plenty points of reference evidence that is seemingly ignored because these points seems to be relatively poorly or simply not understood. I'll explain what I mean later.

Fore

06-20-2012, 01:59 PM

breaking... russa, china, iran, syria & us - the war of the contracts?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-russian-and-chinese-military-forces-on-syrian-soil-prevent-obama-from-bombing-syria.html
I recall mentioning in my thread previously about hearing of Syria being the next target. I think I heard of Libya too.

I don't recall the source though. Might have been one of the Higher Order Entity, or the ET. I honestly forget at the moment but I know I wrote about it a long while back.

The mind boggling thing to me is that everyone except the general public seems to know about these things years ahead of time. So much so, that these entities comment it to each other as if it were common knowledge among them. I have therefore called it "the rumor mills".

The current rumor mills are brimming with talks about an Earthquake in the heart of the USA just north of me. The sad thing is there are signs that it is a credible rumor. You should see the things they say will end up happening....

tl2

06-20-2012, 02:22 PM

I recall mentioning in my thread previously about hearing of Syria being the next target. I think I heard of Libya too.

I don't recall the source though. Might have been one of the Higher Order Entity, or the ET. I honestly forget at the moment but I know I wrote about it a long while back.

The mind boggling thing to me is that everyone except the general public seems to know about these things years ahead of time. So much so, that these entities comment it to each other as if it were common knowledge among them. I have therefore called it "the rumor mills".

The current rumor mills are brimming with talks about an Earthquake in the heart of the USA just north of me. The sad thing is there are signs that it is a credible rumor. You should see the things they say will end up happening....

Can you elaborate at all?

Neuru

06-25-2012, 10:05 PM

Neuru

06-25-2012, 11:15 PM

Oh and might I add, since the linked Ultimateminds.info site looks like one of those "get rich quick" style snake oil websites... The article's original location seems to be this page (http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/how-to-open-your-third-eye-open-portal-technique), I only linked the other copy in post #444 because this link does not display correctly in my browser. I found the technique mentioned on a remote viewing forum (grillflame.net) and thought "why not try it".

Also, "periods of low energy" has a proper name, it is commonly called depression -- sorry for not being able to express a simple concept with a simple word. :( On this forum alone, I've committed this mistake several times.

Fore

06-26-2012, 03:53 AM

@Fore/Pontificator: I'd like to ask something that relates to this thread's first topic, influence. Back in post #265 (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=8816&viewfull=1#post8816) I posted a few points that related to the tuning fork method. Not much came of that at that time though I'll rather refrain from speculating on the reasons for that (it could have been simply forgotten for all we know).

Might I ask if now would be a more suitable time for addressing them? Let me re-read the two cited posts so I recall what I might have left out. I read the instructions that you referenced and like you said there were some "bovine products/concepts" there in "the mix". But all said, the rest of his message wasn't all that far off.

The problem that I see from doing his techniques is that it assumes you have an influence supply that is large enough or replenishes fast enough to conduct these kinds of exercises for a prolonged period of time. If the positive pressure swirling out from the "third eye" is not sustained then you'll have negative pressure and foreign influence will start to gunk up your internals.

Beyond that he is pretty accurate in terms of the sensation of a swirling between the eyebrows. I don't know or recognize his descriptions of the "light behind his eyes"? Perhaps they are just blood flow irregularities in the eyes responding to the affinity of the newly activated influence circling between his eyes.

What I did notice is that the man, in his own words, described the basic concepts of targeting but he combines it with OBE talents. While I combine mine with Remote Presence/Mind Reading/ Remote Projections etc and a slew of other methods.

The whole purple thing is seemingly a conception of his probably based on observation of a few incidents (I speculate). He might have noticed some Higher Order life forms emitting different forms of influence and noticed that they clear the area when they are present. Or it might be that he understands in a very basic sense that "those patterns" affect "other patterns" adversely. Perhaps he constructed an understanding that assumed these patterns are like light and the electromagnetic spectrum?

Also, around that time I did a specific exercise for about 3.5 weeks (IIRC), two times every day. Basically I took this guide (http://ultimateminds.info/how-to-open-your-third-eye-open-portal-technique-by-jason-mangrum/), took out all metaphysical/"spiritual" male bovine excrement in it, as well as the very "educated" "advice" on "shielding" yourself with magical violet light or whatever. In the beginning, I did the exercise more than the advised 33 times, typically 66 times instead of that, per session, later had to cut it down to 33 per session. Now, I had to stop after 3 and a half weeks because I became fatigued. By fatigue I mean prolonged brain fog throughout the day, lasting for more than a week after stopping this. Not being able to think straight for hours every day was something I could not afford. I do not know what caused this and the cause may very well be purely biological (I happened to have a similar brain fog episode in the last 1.5 weeks as well... this "surprisingly" coincided with me working on something relevant to this discussion).
It could be several things. It depends on which is true in part or in full.

A) It could be that you expended your excess supply of "influence" before completing the exercises. (Psychic Energy as most will call it)

B) It could be that you prolonged the use of your higher functions THROUGH the lower cognition. Which in this case you would make your lower (biological) mind quite tired and worn out. You don't make any references that I can tell to having access that part of yourself so I don't know if this is the case.

C) It could be that you have done B and therefore have expended the supply of neurological chemicals that normally flow out when you change brain states artificially. If this were the case you would not be sleeping very well or would lack the need to sleep because you are performing sustained activations for prolonged period. (That can be fixed by the way if you have gotten to the point of controlling your own anatomy via your own psychic interconnect.)

D) It could be poor nutrition. (You can probably fix that)

E) It could be that your neurological half is malfunctioning under the stress of activation. (There are limited options if this is the case.)
If you have any blackouts, seizures, persistent headaches after more than 6 months of continuous activation, or you start receiving ESP information in a format that is non-nonsensical or detrimental to your cognitive / peripheral functions then this would be a limit of your biology.

If you start to develop crazy ideas or irrational thought processes then this is either a psyche/coping issue where you become unstable or an underlying biological issue where your brain is not adapting properly to your (unnatural) ESP stimulation and subsequent "mapping".

F) It could be an infection that is triggered by A and D. If you expel the influence field you have faster than you can regenerate it, then you may set the stage for a disease or ailment (physical or non-physical) to grow more rapidly than it should.

G) Some Entity draining or affecting the properties of your "influence" field.

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The easy way of eliminating A is simply by trying to generate a PSI ball and checking if you feel fatigue immediately afterwards.

Periods of low "energy" are common to basically everyone in (at least) developed countries, except maybe to those with hypomania so I won't be screaming about ETs or astral vampires right away. Nevertheless, I'd be interested in what you think about using this technique for the tuning fork method (including directing influence along the path described in the article). Though you may first want to finish what you wrote about in post #441:Let me re-read those posts to make sure I understand the context of your question.

Neuru

06-27-2012, 02:02 PM

B) It could be that you prolonged the use of your higher functions THROUGH the lower cognition. Which in this case you would make your lower (biological) mind quite tired and worn out. You don't make any references that I can tell to having access that part of yourself so I don't know if this is the case.

C) It could be that you have done B and therefore have expended the supply of neurological chemicals that normally flow out when you change brain states artificially. If this were the case you would not be sleeping very well or would lack the need to sleep because you are performing sustained activations for prolonged period. (That can be fixed by the way if you have gotten to the point of controlling your own anatomy via your own psychic interconnect.)
I don't have access to it or if I do, I don't know about it. There's this recurring thought that I have even less access to it than the average person. Will expand on this in another post to keep this one short.

G) Some Entity draining or affecting the properties of your "influence" field.
There is something mildly interesting that may be related to this: throughout the years I've had quite a few instances of sleep paralysis, Probably most everyone had it at one point in their (current) lives or another, they may simply not remember it. This ties in here for two reasons:

1.) One of the most commonly reported attributes of sleep paralysis is "sensed presence", which is sensing that an entity (whatever said entity may be) is nearby. Reportedly, it is often accompanied by a feeling of dread. This is of course currently explained as having an entirely neurological basis. Now, for the record, I never got this during SP -- either I cannot sense an entity or I had been fortunately clear of them during those episodes (which of course does not imply that they do not lurk nearby at other times). Of course, it's not like sensed presence is mandatory, it's just common.

2. ) Is there such a thing as "astral black mold"? In some instances, you can have sleep paralysis with eyes open, in which case you may either have hypnagogic/hypnopompic imagery or can glimpse non-physical things. There was discussion on the latter in your old threads, including the possibility that you may be able to see phased-out objects or beings while in this state. Now, IMO there is bound to be tons of cognitive bias in this -- for instance, if I know about phased-out ET craft hovering above cities being (allegedly) a common thing, or if I know how a nordic alien is supposed to look like, I just might see one in the right place in a sleep paralysis episode or in the hypnopompic phase that lasts a few seconds after waking up. I may think this was genuine second sight but unless I am an advanced psychic or have reliable access to intuition I cannot know for real. (This is referring to two examples Montalk wrote about BTW, I don't remember anyone else writing about such things in your thread.) So, I won't give in immediately to thinking this is true until I can find something that is at least remotely verifiable and even then it will probably be only personal proof which of course is not terribly helpful. That being said, coincidentally, during the course of these 3.5 weeks, there was one such hypnopompic episode where I noticed that my eyes were open and I was looking at the ceiling, which looked like was infested with black mold. It did not completely cover the ceiling but was distributed across it. When I later woke up, there was of course no black mold but it made me think, "hmm, maybe the astral climate of this corner of the world is not that good". So, I do not know if this is something to be concerned about or if such a thing even exists. They could be immobile, non-sentient thoughtforms that feed on ambient influence or just a figment of imagination.

The easy way of eliminating A is simply by trying to generate a PSI ball and checking if you feel fatigue immediately afterwards.
I tried to make a psi ball twice now and several times before by adapting this 11x3 technique to route influence out through the conduit near the palm (or at least imagine routing influence out there). I'll have to do this probably at least several dozen times to be sure whether I actually made a psi ball and can sense the field or what I felt was just a physiological reaction or the ideomotor effect. However I did not feel fatigue after any of these attempts.

pontificator

06-27-2012, 02:07 PM

@Fore, does it really need to be swirling though? I've personally simply had an outward pressure flow when that particular area is active. Also, for some reason the idea of swirling ones finger around that region seems disturbing, I had this thought of the ill effects that influence being expelled through the fingers would have [For me this would be an issue; my fingers have a tendency to extend their influence outward from the tips, which can be handy in the dark when looking for the edge of a switch.]

The OBE combo he is using is certainly novel in some ways, but I suspect there would be a much better way of doing the same thing, and the fact he is untrained and managed this on his own shows he's probably a cut above the norm. If only he had a bit of training... I suspect he'd be quite a capable student with the right teacher.

I've been having some very interesting ideas about nano-technology and chemical driven systems, with artificial biological buffers [artificial lipid systems], lately; the sort of thing that seems to cause all sorts of pressure rises, so I suspect something is looking in [I've been educated on these areas in a mixture of university and self-study, but lately I've taken a keener interest in examining it in detail in relation to the nano-cog observation. I'm gaining a rough general idea of how a lot of the physical implanted ET technology might work at a certain level, based on examples. The possible biological implants have actually proven easier to think about.]

Recently influence pressure has regulated to solid, without the scalp-crushing effect I used to get, so I'm pretty glad that seems to have settled down [probably an external structure sorting itself out, ]. However, something is definitely keeping an eye on me at night, which is a bit of a nuisance as it means that ( in combination with the hotspots I pass on the way to work ) transient abilities keep popping up. Concentrating on glass objects seems to work to prevent undirected abilities, and any other effects that manifest are limited range RV [finding that you are looking at the passing ground while on a bus, with my eyes shut as I try to get more sleep, has it's excitement... ]

I will be very glad when I can move somewhere a bit less active [yes, of course, the minute I write that there is a sudden pressure increase... who knows if moving somewhere less active is even possible...]

pontificator

06-27-2012, 02:19 PM

I tried to make a psi ball twice now and several times before by adapting this 11x3 technique to route influence out through the conduit near the palm (or at least imagine routing influence out there). I'll have to do this probably at least several dozen times to be sure whether I actually made a psi ball and can sense the field or what I felt was just a physiological reaction or the ideomotor effect. However I did not feel fatigue after any of these attempts.

Try seeing if you can route your influence through your fingertips, the positive pressure is a lot easier to feel when the influence fronts collide with each other. Don't forget that you are also trying to manifest an non-physical object in a certain place when you are making a psi ball, as you may be just forcing influence out of the palms rather than directing it into a distinct shape. The ball itself is the objective, so ignore that bits in-between if you can, as your influence is an extension of your will which has been assigned to you. In theory you will end up using a portion of the higher-mind to achieve this, but it can be done with the lower mind at a the expense of much greater difficulty. Don't forget that you can also hurt yourself at the wrist interconnect points [influence controlled here exits via the palm outlet point], so don't even think about the wrists, just concentrate on the ball itself.

Need I say that "things" will be attracted to this as well? Be careful, and remember that decaying influence stains objects in your environment like a bad smokers breath, and "things" live off that.

Neuru

06-27-2012, 02:45 PM

Thanks, I'll try it by taking into account what you wrote and will document how it went. Will also stock up on incense since it seemed to work previously when I had something that might have been malevolent entities. There are some morally bankrupt people in my neighborhood (or at least they're close to moral bankruptcy) and from what my ears happened to have caught I know that one of them dabbles in (who knows what kind of) black magic sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised if some phantom thought her tasty and chose to hang around every now and then -- "around" including occasionally visiting my place as well.

Fore

06-27-2012, 11:22 PM

1.) One of the most commonly reported attributes of sleep paralysis is "sensed presence", which is sensing that an entity (whatever said entity may be) is nearby. Reportedly, it is often accompanied by a feeling of dread. This is of course currently explained as having an entirely neurological basis. Now, for the record, I never got this during SP -- either I cannot sense an entity or I had been fortunately clear of them during those episodes (which of course does not imply that they do not lurk nearby at other times). Of course, it's not like sensed presence is mandatory, it's just common. I don't take too seriously the whole "presence during paralysis" too seriously.

Does it happen, probably, then again...a scientist may never actually know whether an entity is or is not actually standing in the room while the experiment is being conducted. That they get it sometimes (and other times they don't) when they fire pulsed electric/electromagnetic/magnetic disturbances into the brain....to me at least....doesn't prove much.

They would have to preclude and control all variables including any potential transients that may be throwing the experiment off.

I have had sleep paralysis (the natural kind) and I don't sense anyone in the room with me. I have also had sleep paralysis induced by ET and spirituals and there is a presence.

Now where I do find there to be some merit is that I HAVE found that listening to extremely low frequency (audioable) sounds that are being injected directly into the ear does create virtual echos of a presence. Though these seem to be hallucinatory sensations as they don't register via external ESP. (Though very spooky and foreboding sensations do occur)

It also causes me to experience nausea and makes my head feel unwell/unsettled.

Could this be what the researchers found during other types of magnetic and electromagnetic probing and discharges? Probably. Though making real external ESP sensations is probably outside the current scope of science. There is a big difference between bad neurological cognition and it's ESP counterpart.

pontificator

07-01-2012, 02:38 AM

Well, seems the same entity as last time was looking in last night. So, all it seemed to do, other than keeping me awake until 3am, was to flick everything in terms of the field around the head to full... I hadn't actually realized how far I can go in terms of activation, but at least there were no apparent side-effects and the pressure did keep to it's new "minimal". If it was trying to talk to me then it didn't succeed, I think I've worked out how to block that now.

tl2

07-01-2012, 03:21 PM

Neuru

07-01-2012, 04:43 PM

I had an apocalyptic dream last night. left me with a horrible feeling and a sense of needing to prepare supplies and survival gear. Dec 12 / Jan 13 seemed important. I also got the impression that the next 3 years will be VERY BAD. What a horrible dream.
By any chance, did you have something similar (and as such, similarly memorable) around March and April? I mean something that really stands out from what thoughts/dreams you had in the months before and after it.

CasperParks

07-01-2012, 07:02 PM

Often dreams are just that, dreams.

That said, dreams can also be: Subconscious warnings.

Yes, you should prepare what lays ahead.

"We cannot seperate current political, economic and enviromental conditions from..."

Neuru

07-15-2012, 05:09 PM

Fore

07-15-2012, 11:54 PM

Hi Fore, remember this thread from last December? http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?133-UFOs-over-Amsterdam

Just today I searched for various combinations of "Matti Aladin" ("Mathew's " real name), "Doram" and "Alfeta" and, among other things, found this: http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/ufo-general-discussion-news/7723-new-shareware-based-contact-ebook.html

It's 36 pages in all. I don't doubt that even if some of its contents are true, there's likely a lot of disinfo in there (I've yet to read it though, this is just prejudice) since Nordics seem to be profuse liars, probably on par with greys or better. Just in case the forum will be down when you check this post, the direct link to the book itself is this (it's mentioned in the first post): http://62.142.251.150/book/The_Alien_Nation_Inter_Galactic_Monarchy.pdf

It's shareware, in an older (1980s) sense of the word (that means no nag screens, disabled functions or trial period, haha), you only have to pay for it if you like it and find it useful.

To find Matti's posts in the linked forum, click on his name above the avatar, click "Show All Statistics", then "Find all posts by Matti".

I post this (among other reasons) because, even though this thread is 7 months old, no other experiencers have chimed in here besides you and Pontificator.

According to a Google search, the person who used the alias "G2v[12]" is called Tracy E. Tomlinson (I'm not blowing anyone's cover, he posted about Matti publicly under this name here: http://www.kevincassell.com/blog/comments.php?article_id=8 [scroll down a bit]). I can't check out his site now because my internet access is very limited at the moment and so don't know when this book he mentioned will be published.Damn it! I wish I were less self-censoring.

I recall meeting one ET whom came up to me and when asked for his name he utilized a psuedo-name called "Alpheta".

I read your post today and when I crossed the name "Alfeta" it reminded me of that guys name. I went scouring through the forum thinking I would have committed the incident to the forum but I cannot find any traces or references to the encounter. I probably decided not to mention it (though I thought I had!).

I don't recall when I encountered this ET guy. I recall part of the conversation I had with him but I feel like there is this sudden fogginess about what he said to me. Which is strange because I recall having the guys words indelibly written in my memory. I find it strange now that I can only recall his name but almost none of what we talked about. I can't even recall when....but from my sign up date on this forum it must have been around the turn of the year.

I recall only that he approached me, we talked about something in particular (which I don't recall what it was...??). I recall asking him for his name which is something I rarely do with the ET's because they always make up an uncreative name when they are pressed. I recall he told me to use the nick name Alpheta. I recall thinking it was such an uncreative name and thought it must be a joining of Alpha and Beta or Alpha and Zeta...or something like that.

I recall he said something interesting which stuck with me at the time and I recall the urge to write it on the forum but then I must have backed out. Though I am pretty sure I wrote it up at the very least. I probably just didn't commit it to the forum.

We only met twice if I recall correctly. Now when I try to access the memory of the encounter/incident I seem to be unable to recall the whole event. I don't recall if he was a Gray-Variant or a Nordic Variant. In my head I have stuck the impression that he might have been a humanoid type. (Nordic like).

After scouring the forum for the word "Alfeta" and "Alpheta" I can only find references to G2 mentioning it. For some strange reason I don't recall having read his posts where he referenced those words.

Damn, had I posted the darn incident I am sure someone would have helped me make the connection and mentioned that G2 had encountered an Entity using the similar or same psuedo-name. I cannot believe that I didn't notice the name! <smacks forehead like an idiot>

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Last night I have been taking medicine for a fever. So perhaps my memory is cloudy due to the medicine. Either that or I have been selectively wiped. I recall the man was interesting but I don't recall WHY?

It is like remembering but not really remembering....

I don't even recall when except that it was recently. Damn, I should talk about being oblivious to certain facts....

Fore

07-16-2012, 12:12 AM

pontificator

07-16-2012, 12:53 PM

I recall walking and sitting down and it was daylight. I recall commentary between he and I. I strangely recall a very human style of speaking with brief pauses between words when he spoke.

I recall thinking how he talks like as if he is simulating English pronunciations. I recall he said ?something interesting. I recall asking him for a name to refer to him as. I recall he thought for a moment before stating his name. I recall he said something like a joint Alpha Beta. (Alpheta).

I recall asking him for a different name because it sounded uncreative. I recall he changed it to Alphet. I recall he said something that caught my attention but I am still racking my brain.

Hmmm, could be interpreted as "I am 12" or "I am the Alpha and the Beta, the first and the second". Alternatively if the overlap was supposed to go the other way it would be "I am the Beta and the Alpha, the First of the Second." If I had query mode going with the higher mind I had had the thought that I could query your higher mind for the correct information on this case, certainly that aspect of thinking caught something's attention, so it's probably possible. BTW, your interesting contact is in my detectable range, I automatically locked on him when reading, and I am pretty sure it is not a machine-like conciousness [meaning not grey, or a rigid thinking pattern.] *checks again* Definitely not something I've personally run into before, seems to have a soft spongy field...

Fore

07-19-2012, 05:12 PM

[.....]or "I am the Alpha and the Beta, the first and the second". Alternatively if the overlap was supposed to go the other way it would be "I am the Beta and the Alpha, the First of the Second." I recall I had that exact same thought. That is why I didn't accept the name at face value.

In my experience with a range of ET's I noticed they either hide their real /nicknames/names/monikers used to identify themselves or they simply use none.

You'd think over [tens] of thousands of hours of conversations most of them would slip up and occassionally name each other when refering to each other. But the exact opposite situation is true. They don't. They refer to real places, situations, etc but they are really careful never to go out of their way to identify themselves or their origin.

The advisor said it was because some of them are registered and some of them are not. She sometimes said it wasn't a good idea to leave behind evidence that could be traced back to their registered alien activity. (which implies there is a whole "under the table" unregistered alien activity they don't report.

I also understood, both as an explaination and as actual practice that we don't need names between each other as they and I embed information as to whom is being referenced to during a conversation. Only during the begining of my contact experience did I not refer to anyone specific when talking.

As a person you don't really realize how much a standard verbal name doesn't seem to be as important when your using various telepathic key signatures. Instead of a name you use a the key signatures of a person patterns to let them know whom you refer to and address in a conversation with specific ET or a group of people.

In spoken language it is similar to looking at someone and then talking at them. Technically, it is implied that if your head points at someone and you "talk at them"...then a human person knows your addressing them. But in (often) non-line of sight messaging we embed a key signature that is specifici to a person or a group of people that lets each person know whom is talking to whom.

You can sometimes even listen in on other ET to ET telepathic conversations where you aren't the one being addressed. Since you know how to read the key signatures in the message; the location, identity/personality, and physiology of the two creatures is usually embedded in the messages. So you sometimes know the participants even if they never directly address you.

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You can also figure out whom are the strangers and whom are the known people you associate with. Some of the ET when they want privacy in a conversation or to hide their identity, they simply omit the key signatures so they are almost devoid of information. Some of them will even spoof their signature to make themselves appear to have characteristics which they do not actually possess. (like a forged telepathic ID)

They also use such telepathic forging ID techniques in different ways to spoof a human beings own unique key signature which makes their (the ETs thoughts) appear to belong to that person. So they can inseminate thought processes and mask the key signatures to that end. So that a human individual thinks that certain external influences are their own.

Since an untrained individual usually has poor mental cognition in terms of psychic acuity and sensitivity, you can literally forge entire thought processes and the key signatures and make the person think that it is their own internal thoguth process.

Fore

07-19-2012, 05:34 PM

If I had query mode going with the higher mind I had had the thought that I could query your higher mind for the correct information on this case, certainly that aspect of thinking caught something's attention, so it's probably possible. BTW, your interesting contact is in my detectable range, I automatically locked on him when reading, and I am pretty sure it is not a machine-like conciousness [meaning not grey, or a rigid thinking pattern.] *checks again* Definitely not something I've personally run into before, seems to have a soft spongy field...

I wish there was a way to connect the contents of my mind to a word processor.

There are endless volumes of information I could share with you that would put you in the same league of mindset and information that I have access to.

These days most of a my posts are being deleted simply because I either don't want to stir the pot anymore or I simply don't care enough to spend 2 hours inefficiently typing out a complex concept.

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For example,

There are numerous lessons I was taught as a child. One of the series of lessons that were imparted were on knowledge development and strategies. They taught me how to understand how seeding core points of information can assist a persons understanding and development. They also taught me how to conceptualize the process so that I understood the applications of negating someone from aquiring specific reference points so they don't develop specific knowledge and therefore never make useful connections.

I wanted to write out a tid bit piece that was in response to someones post on the forum. But then I thought better than to go out of my way to cause trouble.

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The basic premise is that the difference between a person whom knows something and someone whom doesn't is very small in terms of development. The reason that disinformation is appliesd to a situation is to impede the development of certain reference points of knowledge so that you negate another persons ability to make connections between associated concepts.

The point of the ET lessons was that an individual does not need to know everything in order to pass along knowledge. They only need to know certain key points of knowledge or concepts in order to develop the rest on their own.

Learning this (among many other ET lessons) you start to gain insight over what disinformation can obfuscate. As well as what points need to be touched upon if you intend to unmuddy a subject and inculcate usable working knowledge.

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For example, someone whom is introduced to the information and concepts behind phasing technology can make different logical connections behind various stories.

They don't need to know how it works in minute details, they only need to know certain particularities and limitations.

Such as, before they know about phasing technology, the idea of alien bases, abductions pecularities, time rate distortions, optical invisibility etc....are rendered a large mystery.

After introduction to the concept, the series of mysteries is less of a mystery, even if they don't know how a phasing field is generated.

Fore

07-19-2012, 05:44 PM

Likewise the difference in the perception and internal cognition of ideas between an attendee at a pow-wow group of Steven Greer at a local beach reaching out with theirs minds to "call down aliens" is slightly different than someone whom understands psychic functions and how they "really work".

The differing ideas and concepts between the two mindsets and understandings are pretty small.

A few key points is all it really takes to make one into the other. If you are a disinfo agent then you know what you are targeting and fabricating in terms of a false idea that leads the person down a bad road of assumptions.

If you think about what seperates you from the beach hailing crowd then you'd be able to narrow it down to a few key points. If you convey those key points to someone else in a convincing manner then you can push them in the right direction. Or you can send them down a dead end. Depends on your interests.

tl2

07-20-2012, 01:59 PM

getting fed up with end of the world type dream now! Had about 4 in about 7 weeks. Thought it might be a reflection of what is going on in my life but there is nothing going on in my life. I am happy. I was just browsing the web and there seems to be a lot of chatter about the December 2012 - April 2013 time frame. Just trying to make sense of my dreams is all.

Neuru

07-21-2012, 09:34 PM

there seems to be a lot of chatter about the December 2012 - April 2013 time frame. Just trying to make sense of my dreams is all.
You know, that's interesting you mention April. I am not (hm, maybe not yet...) a telepath or a psychic, so I don't give too much thought to occurrences that seem to be foreign thoughts or remotely perceived information. I did know a few years back someone whom I suspect to be a psychic (an untrained one) and did have with her what seemed to be controlled telepathy, going both ways (but it could have been wishful thinking too) which is why I "believe" in the existence of ESP in the first place. We don't keep contact now because she's a free spirit, and all, who went on her own way. (No, by free spirit I did not mean dead, haha.) Anyway, at that time, both of us got information about each other through "telepathy" (let's call it that) that we had no way to pick up otherwise, so we can rule out cold reading. They referred to specific events.

So that's my full disclosure. Now, that being said, many months back, in winter, I once got a rote, out of the blue that said "5, 8, 13" and "electromagnetic storm"/"geomagnetic storm". It could have been some random neural firing (because, obviously, 5+8=13), or the result of paranoia about such storms and their destructive effect on the electric grid. (Microelectronics and house wiring are not affected AFAIK, it's long-distance power lines that would give
You could interpret this rote (if it was indeed a rote and not some random neural firing) as "Something similar to the Carrington Event (massive, persistent blackouts) will go down on May 8, 2013 / August 5, 2013. Or it could be August 13, 3005 or May 13, 3008, haha. So that's an interesting coincidence, but then, a lot of interesting coincidences happen every day and they are just that, coincidences.

These days most of a my posts are being deleted simply because I either don't want to stir the pot anymore or I simply don't care enough to spend 2 hours inefficiently typing out a complex concept.
Hmm, you may be interested in using an outliner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outliner) to store all your unfinished write-ups in case some part in them might become useful sometime. Outliners are similar to MS Word's outline mode but are somewhat simpler than full-blown word processors. If you're interested, one such program I can recommend is The Guide (http://theguide.sourceforge.net/), which I had used in the past. It allows for some formatting and you can organize your notes/write-ups in a multi-level tree structure, that's kind of similar to Microsoft's Compiled HTML Help. Just a thought.

@Pontificator: that you mentioned that, according to your psychic impressions, Greys seem to have a "brain" based on nano-scale bio-mechanical technology, got me this thought. At present, it's unrefined but better get it out now.

Forget, for a moment, that to date, reportedly no one has submitted a valid application to, for instance, James Randi's million dollar challenge. Let's suppose that all such challenges (there are quite a few, see this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_for_evidence_of_the_paranormal)) are actually under the surveillance of, if not actually set up by, spooky three-letter-name organizations. Suppose that if you submit a DVD full of videos about yourself telekinetically flinging around cars or dogs in your neighborhood (or it could be something smaller and less dangerous, too, so you won't have to face trials for property damage and animal cruelty), the next morning you're greeted by some friendly folks in armor, wielding assault rifles and dragged off to some faraway place, never to be heard of again. I'm not saying that the above has even a modicum of truth to it (in fact, I disbelieve it) but let's use that hypothesis for the absence of popularly known proof of psi phenomena to date.

Instead I'd like to ask if you (since you do possess some exotic knowledge) could outline how ordinary humans, or maybe those with trace psi abilities, or untrained psychics (either of these groups, maybe not all) could be tested for psi in a way that can be recorded with physical equipment.

If we take psipog.net's categorization of psychokinesis, there's micro and macro. Effective macro-PK was said in this thread to actually involve fiddling around with the object's influence copy, to disable mass and other parameters before the physical object can be tossed around with ease. Micro-PK is defined as the ability of affecting probability and is usually tested with random number generators. But that excludes affecting matter on a small scale. How about telekinetically tossing around molecule-sized cars, for instance? (Link 1 (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v479/n7372/full/nature10587.html), Link 2 (http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/world-s-smallest-auto-dutch-scientists-drive-single-molecule-car-a-796970.html)) To me as a naive layman that would seem more feasible than unreliable remote viewing and unreliable divination by unreliable psychics, be they genuine or not.

Let's take into account the statement that the Higher Mind can inject thoughts into the lower mind. Those thoughts should then manifest as physical brain activity, so that actually implies micro-PK. Question is, with some proper training, can someone do the above?

- How far down would you have to go in scale to pick up such phenomena? Nano, femto, pico or even smaller?
- What materials would be suitable?
- What equipment would be suitable?
- etc.

I bring this up because Fore wrote several years ago that the Advisor said her people allegedly discovered the existence of psi phenomena some time ago. The keyword here is discovered, maybe I'm reading too much into it but that doesn't imply that it was revealed to them via gnosis (which, AFAIK, exists in genuine forms, but does not pass scientific validation since it's just thoughts being transmitted) or an angel bringing them instruction manuals, instead they likely discovered it using the scientific method and, like any good skeptic, doubted its existence until there was scientific evidence of it.

I don't know, maybe Fore could answer this, or you. Maybe I'm ignorant of such research having been done and silently "swept under the rug" by the world at large. (For instance, you, the reader, may want to look up the early 20th Century case of a certain ghost called Patience Worth whose, allegedly very sophisticated [I've yet to read it, don't quote me on that] literature was channeled by a woman who couldn't have done such feats by herself. You'll find that no-one could debunk her in her time. What did people at large do with this case? Swept it under the rug, you bet.) In that case I would very much appreciate if you could point me/the readers of this thread to research papers on this subject. I think arxiv.org would be an okay source for that, not the best but okay. All in all, I was just surprised that by micro-PK psychics (at least in online communities) only mean the affecting of "probability".

Having some research done on this by multiple institutions of higher education with verifiable results would, IMO, dampen the effect the arrival of the Others would have on the unsuspecting public. Like, they won't be able to claim (at least in places where the results of this research is widely known) that they are "gods" when they are just spiritually attached to souped up physical bodies that can manifest the higher mind complex orders of magnitude more effectively than a human body. I would very much like to see this happen. (The research being published, not our alien "friends.")

Ouch, this post was a mouthful, sorry for that. *ducks head to avoid rotten vegetables thrown at him*

Neuru

07-22-2012, 12:15 AM

it's long-distance power lines that would give
This should read:

it's long-distance power lines that would pick up a lot of particles and that would in turn blow up lots of transformers.
Also,

or untrained psychics
Let's add trained psychics to this list too. (Allegedly trained, alleged psychics, yes.) Also, a "rote" means a thought ball, like a package of thoughts or a series of them. Robert Monroe used this word for it.

Also, for the next 1 to 1.5 months I will be away so I cannot reply to anything until then. :(

Fore

07-23-2012, 01:12 AM

@ Nueru

I used that application and this is a sample:

http://speedy.sh/X3rKs/Untitled.rtf

Something like this correct?

P.S. Thanks for teaching me what the word "rote" means. I had only a vague understanding of that word until now.

Neuru

07-23-2012, 09:44 AM

@Fore: Yes, it looks like that when you export all nodes in the tree. A couple things to keep in mind:

1. You shouldn't enter the heading into the text, the program will add it upon exporting.
2. You can set how the headings will look on this screen: http://theguide.sourceforge.net/images/heading_styles.png
3. You should keep you .gde file in a safe place.

Also, I'm sure this meaning of the word "rote" does not have anything in common with "rote learning".

(For anyone wondering, I'll still be here physically, just trying to stay off the intertubes for the next month or so because of work. So maybe the "cannot answer anything" statement was a bit dramatic. Eh.)

Fore

07-24-2012, 01:10 PM

Forget, for a moment, that to date, reportedly no one has submitted a valid application to, for instance, James Randi's million dollar challenge. Let's suppose that all such challenges (there are quite a few, see this list) are actually under the surveillance of, if not actually set up by, spooky three-letter-name organizations. I recall the Advisor told me about 15+ years ago that reports of their activity go through a process. I focused on questions related to the public than the military in my questions.

When asked about the civilian reports she mentioned/described an organization that takes in reports and she said that there were people within that organization whom had ties to intelligence. (more or less paraphrased) She claimed at that time that most good evidence would be handed over to someone else and downplayed or went missing. She said not all of the reports were treated the same depending on their content.

When I later learned of MUFON it had eerie similarities to the organization she depicted. Strangely enough they have some members whom are related to intelligence circles (at least formerly). I honestly cannot imagine why someone would hire someone with a known affiliation in intelligence for any position in the research of UFOs and their occupants.

There are many comments that the evidence goes in to MUFON and some of the other organization and simply gets locked up or...ahem....goes missing. The stuff that doesn't go missing never again sees the day of light until there is some news conference or meeting which 99% of the community will never attend nor see.

I don't know if it is true in what she mentioned long ago. But I can at least make the case that alot of the best evidence is never brought back into the limelight. It is of no use to anyone if the evidence is put into a storage locker or goes missing due to bad handling.

The usual story are that witnesses are reluctant to come forward. Well, I don't think we need the witnesses as much as the tapes and raw evidence to do the walking and talking. Unfortunately, I do believe there is lots of shocking evidence laying around at many public organizations but due to bureaucracy or self limiting factors the evidence goes into the virtual black hole. With seemingly the worst of the crop coming to light and treated as if it were the best evidence.

The evidence locker should be a revolving door and not a back room with a big pad lock.

For example, in Stephenville, Texas there was a police camera that caught one of the UFO's. The tape was mired in red tape and efforts to suppress the evidence for various down to earth reasons. It will never likely ever see the light of day.

It could probably be released anonymously.....on youtube....but then it is hard to imagine why it won't be done.

The UFO community has lots of smoking guns, too bad they are all relegated to in door screenings at conferences and filing cabinets. They should instead be on forums and day time TV reports.

Fore

07-24-2012, 02:06 PM

Suppose that if you submit a DVD full of videos about yourself telekinetically flinging around cars or dogs in your neighborhood (or it could be something smaller and less dangerous, too, so you won't have to face trials for property damage and animal cruelty), the next morning you're greeted by some friendly folks in armor, wielding assault rifles and dragged off to some faraway place, never to be heard of again. I'm not saying that the above has even a modicum of truth to it (in fact, I disbelieve it) but let's use that hypothesis for the absence of popularly known proof of psi phenomena to date.

Instead I'd like to ask if you (since you do possess some exotic knowledge) could outline how ordinary humans, or maybe those with trace psi abilities, or untrained psychics (either of these groups, maybe not all) could be tested for psi in a way that can be recorded with physical equipment.

I think the realization that it takes quite a bit to make a functional psychic. Doing macro-PK or even Micro-PK tricks requires adjustments in knowledge, techniques and methodologies to produce consistent results.

Even though someone like Pontif knows enough, he still lacks plenty in different ways. For someone to do Macro scopic changes to the environment and any objects, there is alot of per-existing conditioning that need to be met. It's not for the faint hearted in terms of raw determination and development.

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There are lots of different kinds of psychic on a big spectrum. Most of the human ones are at the very low end side of the scale. Someone can change a random number generator consistently but might have a hard time moving a pencil let alone a car. The techniques and fundamental strategies might be missing from their mind. Which renders them incapable of eeking out an impressive performance even if they are fully capable.

Conditioning their bodies is another factor that should not be taken lightly. Pontif has experienced some of the mild discomforts and abnormalities of intensifying his abilities, but seems to lack a fully functioning interface that is rock solid and reliable.

Could he be "improved" sure...but hes got someone whom has problems reiterating specific (and critical) portions of knowledge that can really put him "up there" if he can grasp and understand it. It's not that I don't want to, it's that something inside me...some kind of behavioral impediment prevents me from effectively following through.

I have been examining the impediment I have from every angle and I can only conclude that it is some kind of involuntary behavior which keep me from voluntarily reiterating everything I want to say. There are good questions that you wrote up and I am willing to answer them....but somehow I cannot easily bring myself to in a timely manner.

If it were about wanting to, I would have done it already. I know you aren't really talking about that even though I am bringing it up. But I think it is time we faced the hard reality that somehow I am controlled to a limited degree in what I can say. And even when I do say it....it can be a journey in time and effort. And expensive one in terms of time.

What I can do is talk to someone (no not the ET) and see if they cannot undo the conditioning process or give me a clue as to how to proceed to free myself from the limitation. My best guess is that I have probably had some kind of mental triggers set in place to prevent certain kinds of occurrences from happening. I have this instinct that I know that the day I figure it out and overcome it....they will be there shortly.

I don't have any loyalties to the ET. I am also very willing to "look the other way" in terms of consequences and indiscriminately say anything and everything I have ever been taught.

Just like Pandoras box, I just have to figure out why I cannot open it as easily as I desire it. I don't know if it is some kind of hypnotic suggestion. All I do know is a part of me knows what I should and shouldn't do. I strongly feel like if I overcome this "safety"....it is the day I overcome...this limitation....it is the day they and I will see face to face once again.

That is what my gut tells me. That somehow they will become immediately aware like ?a silent alarm? going off which will make them come back immediately.

Perhaps a weird statement to make, but an honest one.

pontificator

07-25-2012, 01:37 PM

I think the realization that it takes quite a bit to make a functional psychic. Doing macro-PK or even Micro-PK tricks requires adjustments in knowledge, techniques and methodologies to produce consistent results.

Even though someone like Pontif knows enough, he still lacks plenty in different ways. For someone to do Macro scopic changes to the environment and any objects, there is alot of per-existing conditioning that need to be met. It's not for the faint hearted in terms of raw determination and development.

I like a challenge ;) However macroscopic changes = a bit dangerous, not exactly high on my list of to-do's, but then again if it allows me to essentially machine raw metal with my mind then I'm all for it

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There are lots of different kinds of psychic on a big spectrum. Most of the human ones are at the very low end side of the scale. Someone can change a random number generator consistently but might have a hard time moving a pencil let alone a car. The techniques and fundamental strategies might be missing from their mind. Which renders them incapable of eeking out an impressive performance even if they are fully capable.

Conditioning their bodies is another factor that should not be taken lightly. Pontif has experienced some of the mild discomforts and abnormalities of intensifying his abilities, but seems to lack a fully functioning interface that is rock solid and reliable.

That interface would require a lot of work, I suspect from the way I work that I am better when shown something once, or given a pointer in the right direction. Most of the time things start to fall into place, but I've not exactly been trying hard in terms of developing an interface.

Could he be "improved" sure...but hes got someone whom has problems reiterating specific (and critical) portions of knowledge that can really put him "up there" if he can grasp and understand it. It's not that I don't want to, it's that something inside me...some kind of behavioral impediment prevents me from effectively following through.

I have been examining the impediment I have from every angle and I can only conclude that it is some kind of involuntary behavior which keep me from voluntarily reiterating everything I want to say. There are good questions that you wrote up and I am willing to answer them....but somehow I cannot easily bring myself to in a timely manner.

If it were about wanting to, I would have done it already. I know you aren't really talking about that even though I am bringing it up. But I think it is time we faced the hard reality that somehow I am controlled to a limited degree in what I can say. And even when I do say it....it can be a journey in time and effort. And expensive one in terms of time.

I suspect we might be approaching this wrongly, perhaps we might try a different angle. Essentially the ET's don't want people to learn specific skill-sets that would affect their agenda, so I suggest that you teach me how to manipulate you. Now, there should be a flash of "absolutely not", but that is internal to you, and you alone, not them. Taking that into account you may find that they cannot readily re-enforce that which is already in place, not without damaging the natural internal limiters. In theory I should be able to, with the right training, make you extremely co-operative in relating certain training, skills and events. This could be done in many ways, and I have a few in mind that might work as a bypass for your current problem.

What I can do is talk to someone (no not the ET) and see if they cannot undo the conditioning process or give me a clue as to how to proceed to free myself from the limitation. My best guess is that I have probably had some kind of mental triggers set in place to prevent certain kinds of occurrences from happening. I have this instinct that I know that the day I figure it out and overcome it....they will be there shortly.

I don't have any loyalties to the ET. I am also very willing to "look the other way" in terms of consequences and indiscriminately say anything and everything I have ever been taught.

Just like Pandoras box, I just have to figure out why I cannot open it as easily as I desire it. I don't know if it is some kind of hypnotic suggestion. All I do know is a part of me knows what I should and shouldn't do. I strongly feel like if I overcome this "safety"....it is the day I overcome...this limitation....it is the day they and I will see face to face once again.

That is what my gut tells me. That somehow they will become immediately aware like [I]?a silent alarm? going off which will make them come back immediately.

Perhaps a weird statement to make, but an honest one.

They would probably have a trigger of some kind in place, in fact several. The correct approach is to trigger all of them simultaneously, and continuously, without the real trigger having actually been triggered. The resultant noise should make it difficult to determine what is and is not really happening, especially if a continuous stream of garbage events are seemingly triggering it all the time. Additionally by deliberately triggering the alarms it should become apparent how they are made, laid down, coded etc. It should be possible to manufacture a parasitic loop that attaches to the trigger, allowing the trigger to be bypassed for certain situations only.

While that is all largely theoretical, there are certain things which must be true for anything to work at all, and by tackling those bits head-on you/we can most definitely succeed.

Fore

07-25-2012, 03:31 PM

I suspect we might be approaching this wrongly, perhaps we might try a different angle. Essentially the ET's don't want people to learn specific skill-sets that would affect their agenda, so I suggest that you teach me how to manipulate you. Now, there should be a flash of "absolutely not", but that is internal to you, and you alone, not them. Taking that into account you may find that they cannot readily re-enforce that which is already in place, not without damaging the natural internal limiters. In theory I should be able to, with the right training, make you extremely co-operative in relating certain training, skills and events. This could be done in many ways, and I have a few in mind that might work as a bypass for your current problem. Strangely enough, I don't feel all that hesitant in (LOL) letting you manipulate me.

In the end my objective is simply getting that information out there and recorded. Even if you don't find it useful someone else probably will.

The only issue that comes to mind is that there is a concern that lingers in the back of my mind. The main concern I have is maintaining some sense of credibility. We have to approach this carefully as I know the cadre of ET members above me will skillfully jump at the opportunity to make things look like what they aren't.

I'll teach you, give you a full run down as to what I experience, give you the insight, etc....you figure out a way to crack the security or whatever it is.

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Note: (err my abilities just turned on by themselves....??)

I guess talking about it is a trigger?

I should also state for reference, at the end of my last post (see above), I felt an automatic connection to two ET members whom took over for my group. One of them is just a lower rung Grey that is usually the one in charge of monitoring. I have always assumed he screens "the events" and then forwards them to some one else (occasionally a supervisor or more often another ET whom handles me directly).

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Update, it seems that I am not "disconnected" from my former ET "associates". I feel that pressure that indicates my psychic structures are active and emitting. So I guess lets start off by admitting (the obvious) that I am still connected even if we aren't talking.

As it is happening I can feel external thoughts just under the surface ruminating in the background. I guess someone is analyzing what "the flagged event" is about.(as I will now nick name it)

Fore

07-25-2012, 03:49 PM

Seems like my abilities are acting as some sort of psychic relay. Probably some kind of access point where they (the ET members) can review the content of what I was thinking at a certain point in time. (My heads fields are continiung to self adjust AS IF I had issued a directive to turn my abilities on...though I haven't. So that implies some kind of remote access or control over my psychic abilities?) (not a secret to me or anyone)

Best guess is that this monitoring system actually resides in me passively or actively within my psychic structures. (Dunno which)

It seems to affect my cognition and mood states. To what extent is unclear.

I can "sense" nearly subconscious...back chatter in the depths of my mind. As if you are listening to parallel thought processes coming off of whomever is reviewing "the situation" up above.

I can barely make out (while not attempting any mind reading or the associated psychic targeting) that there is a tangible awareness of some other reviewing consciousness. This feels like it is a second party...definitely ET.

I have a sense of strategies being flicked through randomly as if something or someone is assessing what is happening and is picking the best options to proceed through. Like I sense a corrective action is being thought up.

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Strange, now my abilities are turning down by themselves. I couldn't turn it off even though I issued the directives in my Higher Mind. As if the words going through my mind are somehow being noticed by "the observer".

The event started at around 8:35am. (CST)
It is now 8:44am. Pressure from the activation is now leveling off...as if it were an adaptive response by "the observer" to being aware of the details are being written out.

The psychic structures are still active but now the output is reduced by roughly half. I feel this strict awareness of like a warning is being directed at me. That somehow consequences will follow.

Fore

07-25-2012, 04:13 PM

I heard the thoughts from the observing party. Like as if it were speaking up.

It is a threat that if I do not shut up, my brother will suffer the consequences. I thought in my own head that that is true in either case. That I accept that is what if will be.

That is very much like the Grey members. Though I don't sense the signature of the observer. Seems like they are proactively covering their signature to keep it low key.

Another threat floated up in my mind. That it will be my sister next if I continue to do what I am doing. The threat is followed by mental depictions of harm. Typical threats I have heard before from these ET folks. I am ignoring it. I am thinking God will protect me and I have nothing to do with these people anymore nor do I want to. I am making sure not to talk to it directly. I am just letting it listen to my thought process.

I am telling myself that the contents and knowledge given are my own to say and do with as I please. Repeating out loud in my mind for it to hear that I do not need permission to do what I wish.

My abilities turned down another notch. It seems the probing is finishing up? Time is 9:10am.

That is roughly 40 minutes for the ET to review content so far. I don't experience anything except the sensations that someone foreign is accessing information from me remotely. I do not know what exactly. I suppose it is the thought processes behind what triggered the event? (Dunno)

Update: 9:20am

Few things I am noting and writing down. My abilities are turning up and down intermittently. The activation is so smooth and efficient (and brief!) though...very "perfect" like when they turn on my abilities for an experiment.

I am touching the periphery around my head and it feels like a static charge has built up. The structures are working nicely and they formed perfectly. The "influence" pressure from the psychic structures is subdued and well controlled.

It's steady and surprisingly super stable.

So far I haven't heard anything. All is quiet and it feels like the review isn't ongoing. Though my abilities are still active I don't want to use them. I want them to turn off and stay off. I feel the activation process they used remotely was so "damned efficient" compared to my process. It didn't hurt at all.

The other structures around my body are dormant. I noticed that. So I think when they review my thoughts or whatever it is they do, they don't seem to require the other structures beyond the head area.

I can feel a little bit of an "influence drain" in my chest from the influence emitting through my head. Though the drain is small and isn't causing me any pain. It all impresses me as to how precise they are when they do remote activations. I wish I knew how to better imitate their version of it.

Neuru

07-27-2012, 06:24 PM

So, I really shouldn't be here at the moment but thought to add these...

I recall the Advisor told me about 15+ years ago that reports of their activity go through a process. I focused on questions related to the public than the military in my questions.
<snip>

I think the realization that it takes quite a bit to make a functional psychic. Doing macro-PK or even Micro-PK tricks requires adjustments in knowledge, techniques and methodologies to produce consistent results.
Does that imply that as far as you know (or in your view) really nobody has ever submitted, to any of these challenges, any valid application -- or had done any performance on these challenges, if accepted into them beforehand, that qualified as proof of psi? I mean, publicly known results are one thing. Have you heard (from these ET contacts of yours, for instance) about people who submitted legit recordings of, or did legit performances of, psi abilities? If yes, what happened to these people and the recordings? Not that you saying so would be proof of anything, just curious....

As for micro-PK, I should have bolded this:

Micro-PK is defined as the ability of affecting probability and is usually tested with random number generators. But that excludes affecting matter on a small scale.

(emphasis mine)

Do you (either of you) imply that even if you affect matter on a microscopic scale, that is, on a scale that can be picked up by, let's say, an electron microscope, that is still in the realm of macro-PK? I asked this because, as I mentioned, the alleged higher mind complex can allegedly inject thoughts into the "lower", biological mind that manifest as biological and, thus, physical activity - and this is what you could call "legitimate" intuition, as opposed to various "shortcuts" the physical brain uses that result in inaccuracies (like estimating the size and distance of an object based on visual cues) or accepting/holding logical fallacies. I thought that trying PK at a microscopic level, like on nano-sculptures like these (http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/amazing-nano-sculptures-the-size-of-a-grain-of-san) would be "easier" on some level, maybe even practicing psychics (like those who, allegedly, were behing psipog.net) could accomplish it.

Even though someone like Pontif knows enough, he still lacks plenty in different ways. For someone to do Macro scopic changes to the environment and any objects, there is alot of per-existing conditioning that need to be met. It's not for the faint hearted in terms of raw determination and development.
I read it back in your old encounters thread (or was it your blog?) that he plans to perform publicly once he's capable enough. That is bound to be interesting. May I ask what he is capable of at the moment? Does he plan to, for instance, conduct RV experiments with others that would confirm, at least for them, that such abilities are indeed real? I've seen quite a few people who oppose you and call you (Fore) a conman and a liar. That your attempt at remote viewing physical objects (this was asked by a member on OM called TheShadow IIRC) didn't go well, according to him/her did not help this. So anyway, calling you this and that is their right (freedom of speech), but maybe this would help them reconsider their views, if enough of them would see positive results firsthand.

Just some thoughts, I'm not attempting to "direct" any of you.

As for myself, I used to be credulous of your claims (which was very surprising to me). For now, since I wasn't around on OM and didn't see some things firsthand (plus I don't know half of what went on in PMs and private discussions) I'm willing to be dispassionate and questioning re: your case instead of calling you delusional or a hoaxster like some people do. To quote a certain former member, I'd prefer to "consider everything, believe nothing". Like one member said in the introductions thread, I'm "an insignificant worm", I do not have daily encounters with high strangeness. I saw an unidentified flying object once, it was just a light in the sky, meteors are lights in the sky too (seen those too, like... I don't know, several billion people before me:D) but they don't do 180 degree turns in flight. Plus, in addition to what I typed up a couple posts back and the few interesting occurences several months back that are unverifiable even to me, let alone to others... I got a lot of ear tones ("scanning") in late April and in May, some in early June. What was that about? Did any of you scan me? If yes, was it useful? How did it go?

(Got an eartone just as I thought about typing this, heh.)

Also, do you two plan to return this thread to its original format? As in, continuing with the manual, if other parts of it are ready. Plus, I saw you planned to do an index of relevant posts every two pages -- I think you could ask a moderator periodically to edit the first post for you and you could put the "table of contents" there. Or maybe get limited moderator rights to edit that posts, if fine-grained rights management is possible in vBulletin. Again, just a couple well-meant thoughts, no arrogant direction or anything. (Haha, like an arrogant person would notice their own arrogance :biggrin2: yeah, right.)

(Ok, now I'm really off for a month or more. Hope some of these questions have been relevant/helpful.)

Fore

07-28-2012, 11:44 AM

Plus, in addition to what I typed up a couple posts back and the few interesting occurences several months back that are unverifiable even to me, let alone to others... I got a lot of ear tones ("scanning") in late April and in May, some in early June. What was that about? Did any of you scan me? If yes, was it useful? How did it go?

(Got an eartone just as I thought about typing this, heh.) Interestingly, it seems Pontif has gone missing for the last 3 days.

Hopefully, he is just sipping on a margarita in a bar somewhere and not facing a financial or medical catastrophe. Hopefully he will complete what he has set out to do with helping me figure out how the "back-end security" aspects of the ET monitoring I described and detailed can be overcome or shattered in their effectiveness.

At the very least, even if we don't figure out any effective workarounds, the others like me whom are similar in composition and design will recognize the methods and nuances employed in their own situations and hopefully become more resilient. (that is....assuming they are even allowed to read material in public forums!)

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By the way, no, I don't scan anyone anymore. I just tried to scan Pontif to see if he is still has a proverbial pulse but my ability didn't work. Must be the proverbial rust of not using my abilities for a prolonged period of time.

If someone is "scanning" you then at the very least, it isn't me.

It's been relatively quiet on my end after my abilities were remotely turned "on". I can only feel the connection to the ET psychic "network" but I am not trying to pull any info or anything. I prefer to stay out of it. There haven't been any further monitoring events.

Only strange things are that, after I wrote that last post, I laid down, prayed and asked that they clean out any influence from the ET. Moments after I asked for it in prayer, I felt that unknown embodiment of influence that I guess people would call the "Holy Ghost" do what I asked for.

a large leak of influence escaped from inside of me through my torso; like a concentrated burst of "influence" leakage in a straight line from the left side of my torso from below the navel to my upper rib cage. The leakage of influence was large enough that the bed shook momentarily. This usually happens when concentrated bursts of dense influence causes unknown shaking and tremors in the environment.

It appears that "holding it [influence] in" causes my field to change its properties to a more tangible form. If I had any interests in it anymore, I should now be capable of Macro-PK level events.

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Anyway, the only other strange thing is that one of my family members just now went to sleep right now and said their bed shook violently a few seconds after they put their head on the pillow. It is to be expected since my abilities have been remotely activated and are leaking dense influence into the environment.

Seems like some non-ET (as in spiritual) entity is "taking in" the excessively dense charge and using it to their own benefit As in creating PK events. I will ask next that my abilities be turned "off" again. Like a spigot being turned on, the influence that is leaking is going to cause spiritual entities to be attracted once again if this place becomes "a hotspot". I prefer the living to be the only ones whom occupy my home and navigate around within it.

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I also find it immensely unsettling that I can sense the connection to the ET psychic network is once again established. I do not want "this" to spiral back into the old situations of the past.

Also, do you two plan to return this thread to its original format? As in, continuing with the manual, if other parts of it are ready. Plus, I saw you planned to do an index of relevant posts every two pages -- I think you could ask a moderator periodically to edit the first post for you and you could put the "table of contents" there. Or maybe get limited moderator rights to edit that posts, if fine-grained rights management is possible in vBulletin. Again, just a couple well-meant thoughts, no arrogant direction or anything. (Haha, like an arrogant person would notice their own arrogance yeah, right.)

(Ok, now I'm really off for a month or more. Hope some of these questions have been relevant/helpful.) All good points.

I don't know yet, there is a ball and chain I have yet to shake off. I wish the remaining elements of my ET group to be severed permanently. I am hoping that Pontif and you in all your brilliance are able to figure out a way to overcome certain restrictions that impede the progress I have made so far.

If these virtual handcuffs can be removed, then I would go through every post and organize it so that future readers can ponder whether I was a "Conman" or someone simply living a (perhaps not so unique) set of situations.

I hope everything I have written makes it to the right eyes and ears and helps them to evaluate their own situation. So that these folks can use that info to their own advantage and create a significant disadvantage to those ET whom try to use or manipulate them into certain situations which is not in their best interest.

Fore

07-28-2012, 12:26 PM

Just some thoughts, I'm not attempting to "direct" any of you.

If you really want to know whether there is/was anyone behind the curtain. Simply put yourself in the cross hairs.

If you actively "direct" and "gain control" of my activities....I can tell you with absolute certainty, it will not go unnoticed. If you think of me as a mere container full of ET derived knowledge. Then you'd likely be able to imagine that anyone whom isn't "them" is not allowed to exert control or influence my activities.

If you learn how to coerce me, gain active control of me, and direct my activities without it being a part of their express agenda then it is like stealing a piece of "living property".

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At the very least, if there is a chance you can pull that off, you'll see them visit you in person. You and they will probably share a very ample conversation that will give you everything you need to know about why they might not trust you or want that to happen.

If there is a concern, then there must be a way pull it off.

I'd be more than willing to follow your express directives just to get a rise out of them. You only have to make sure the property owners don't see you doing it. Then again, by now they already know what we are going to say and more or less what you will and will not do in the near future.

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If you think about it like I do, its a game. You just have to put on the shirt with the bullz eye and then try to coerce, investigate, analyze and deconstruct what kind of design they put in place. Knowing them, there is little chance they will ignore it if you are putting your mind and heart into it.

It is like gambling game. They have to actively bet that you won't be able to figure it out and therefore not act on any potentials.

The ET I know are a very cautious folk though. They are like a living calculator whom weigh the situation against the probabilities. Then, they figure out what is the best strategy and implement it to get their ends.

If you or Pontif aren't serious about it, they will know it. They will know that keeping tabs on the situation will require minimal intervention. If there is someone whom can and is likely to pull it off, they will be there to do what has to be done to make sure it doesn't happen.

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If you know the way they think, then alot of their actions are pretty predictable regardless of how intelligent they may be.

If the supervisors find a credible set of issues, they will send the others below them to remedy the situation. Unfortunately, that is one way to get your proof. To force their hand is the only way to get things done. To push them out of the shadows of obscurity and into the limelight where others can observe their activity directly.

That is what I have done from the first day I joined OMF.

Fore

07-28-2012, 12:58 PM

:biggrin2:

For example, focusing on what they have never allowed me to do. Perhaps pointing out with ease what they don't want me to do is a sign of what is a direct disadvantage to them. perhaps the reason they don't allow it to be done is because it provides an advantage?

---Don't write down events or keep a log of times and dates.

---Don't actively read books and media on the ET phenomena.

---Don't keep a diary of small oddities that are always noticed but are discarded or actively forgotten.

---Don't keep descriptions of the ET that I encounter. Perhaps to assist in the id of what the roles are in an ET group. How many are involved? Including how many reappearances these individuals make over the years and decades.

pontificator

07-28-2012, 01:50 PM

Came across something interesting while reading a graphic novel "Dragon eyes, also called 'crystal eye' in ancient china, enable the user to perceive things for what they truly are, and even see far into the past or future. It's said the users of the Dragons eyes can exert their will not only through humans, but also through inanimate objects." It was listed as an ability as opposed to an actual object, but the description is eerie accurate for general ability parameters.

Okay, first up, Fore, start by keeping a live log of times and dates in a linked spreadsheet in Google docs. While you are at it, make a Google+ account and invite everyone to join in so that they can receive "live" updates ;)

Make a nice hierarchy chart with descriptions and their pseudonyms, appearance counts etc.

I'll also try to actively scan/read/bounce connect off you at random periods, with your permission. I will attempt to try and gain as much restricted information as possible from your field, structures and higher-mind as possible. While you are at it, you are probably in limited control of your higher-mind right now, so if you can do it now or in the future, instruct it to teach me everything independently of you. I suspect that a higher-mind is a lot harder to deal with than impeding the lower one.

Around 3am I woke up to find that something was trying it's damnedest to connect with me, it had flicked my field to absolute full and was really pushing me to my limits [It seems to be something that visits every weekend, but usually around midnight]. So, I spent quite a while practicing on it, and examining what would disrupt it. I still find that making an array of small balls of influence and swiz-cheesing a target works wonders, as well as embedding influence canisters directly into the target and effectively detonating them into a grid. It also had some locational issues if I moved, while solid objects can also disrupt it for a while. It gave up after about 30 minutes [leaving me with temples that had so much influence pumped through them that it was like having a couple of palatable holes in my head]. I'm looking forward to the next encounter with that one, in order to break the current stalemate, as I am certain it is beatable [in the literal and figurative sense, and it wouldn't be the first time either].

Now, reason I'm currently incommunicado is that I'm looking after my parents cats, and currently running a non-normal schedule as a result ;)

One cool thing I am looking into right now is glass control, I came to the conclusion that as is it a hyper viscous liquid it would be possible to direct its probabilities while manipulating the flow rate. Theoretically it would be possible to make a given pane of glass develop into an exoskeleton over a probability directed internal flow of accelerated glass innards. This means being able to make a glass crab that scuttles around the place with a serious amount of work.

Fore

07-28-2012, 07:36 PM

Fore

07-28-2012, 07:41 PM

Make a nice hierarchy chart with descriptions and their pseudonyms, appearance counts etc.

I am actually looking forward to doing this part. It will be interesting to describe everyone involved and then pull together the various associations chart to get a clear picture of how many are involved.

Might even help in producing the psychic targeting information. Though I have to warn you that some of the ET keep their associations with each other rather ambiguous. So I don't know what is their exact relationship with each other. I assume it would become obvious if you chart their appearances and their apparent functions over time?

Garuda

07-28-2012, 07:42 PM

A google+ account is fine. Is that like a google version of facebook?

As for the spreadsheet in google docs. How about simply using the live feed as a running log?

It will be kinda boring though as hardly anything happens these days.

If you have a gmail account, you just go to http://plus.google.com (and log in if it asks you to).
You could compare it to facebook, but it's different. I actually prefer it to facebook.
Using the feed in G+ is not realistic as posts disappear very fast. (Disappear as go out of sight. You'd have to start looking for them).

Google docs are nice to work with.
(They'll be changed into 'google drive' soon, though).
Again, if you have a gmail account, you just go to http://docs.google.com, sign in and you can start.
Once you created or started a document, there's a share button (top right) that allows you to give other people access (read / edit / ...) to the document.

CasperParks

07-28-2012, 08:34 PM

A google+ account is fine. Is that like a google version of facebook?

As for the spreadsheet in google docs. How about simply using the live feed as a running log?

It will be kinda boring though as hardly anything happens these days.

Let me know your Google Plus user name, so that I can circle you.

https://plus.google.com/104581822524596673547#104581822524596673547/posts

Fore

07-28-2012, 08:58 PM

@ Garuda

Then I will have to go with Google docs as Pontif said. Minor monitoring event just prior to creating the Google+ Account.

@ Casper

How do I know what my Google Plus user name is?

Fore

07-28-2012, 09:10 PM

Lets see if this works...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h4wriRRyg8OdVRs5_Vu82GHh62ncCK_inFd0WhsieUU/edit

Fore

07-28-2012, 09:24 PM

CasperParks

07-28-2012, 09:28 PM

@ Garuda

Then I will have to go with Google docs as Pontif said. Minor monitoring event just prior to creating the Google+ Account.

@ Casper

How do I know what my Google Plus user name is?

Fore,

Try going to main google page https://www.google.com/

Upper left, if you are not already signed-in there is a "+You" to click and log in. That should bring you to your google-plus account.

If you are already signed-in, it should show +Account Name.

Mine shows +Casper Parks

Neuru

07-28-2012, 09:50 PM

Anyone know where I can find a free Wiki to build out the knowledge base I want to impart?

Perhaps working from simple points and then back filling in the details will make it easier than rewriting it every time someone asks a new question?

My advice, take it with a grain of salt (except the warning, that's serious stuff):

1. I would use this: http://tiddlywiki.com/
2. Download it, then register for yourself a Dropbox account (http://dropbox.com) and put the wiki file in the Public folder inside the Dropbox folder.
3. Then, right click the file and select Copy public link and paste the link here.

There is also http://tiddlyspot.com which hosts these for free and it would be easier to use but I wouldn't use it because it's insecure (it does not encrypt connections, anyone who's watching your internet connection could get your password).

Editing TiddlyWiki works best with Firefox AFAIK. However, it can be read with any browser.

TiddlyWiki is a wiki on steroids, it can display multiple pages onscreen, it's kind of like tabbed browsing. Unfortunately I do not know of a way to turn this behavior off.

Oh, the reason this thing is so good is that it is very, very easy for anyone to save an archived copy. Wikis are, in general, difficult to back up and even more difficult to read offline. In contrast to this, to archive a wiki made with TiddlyWiki you just click Save page as... in your browser, and that's it. Be sure to select to choose to download "HTML only", not the "full web page".

One important thing about Dropbox, if you choose to use it: as long as you have a free account you have to log in at least every three months or it will be deleted from the server. (Of course the Dropbox folder on your PC won't be deleted.)

As for TiddlyWiki, you can import and export its contents. I guess you could register one on tiddlyspot.com as well with a password you don't use anywhere else and periodically update its contents with the contents of the one hosted on your dropbox.

Fore

07-28-2012, 11:45 PM

Fore,

Try going to main google page https://www.google.com/

Upper left, if you are not already signed-in there is a "+You" to click and log in. That should bring you to your google-plus account.

If you are already signed-in, it should show +Account Name.

Mine shows +Casper Parks

https://plus.google.com/116311136407239474144

This is my profile page. I do not know if this is enough for people to join and monitor the account?

CasperParks

07-29-2012, 12:09 AM

https://plus.google.com/116311136407239474144

This is my profile page. I do not know if this is enough for people to join and monitor the account?

Yes it is... The account appears as Fore OMF... Placed you into three circles. Friends, following and OuterSpace.

I stayed up all night and redid my Google Plus account, giving it more of a professional feel.

Fore

07-29-2012, 12:39 AM

Does that imply that as far as you know (or in your view) really nobody has ever submitted, to any of these challenges, any valid application -- or had done any performance on these challenges, if accepted into them beforehand, that qualified as proof of psi? As far as I have read, people have submitted valid applications and done the experiments with varying degrees of success. (if you mean Randi or just in general.).

Whether or not they are consistent and adequately versed or knowledgeable about what is (with exactitude) happening in their performances is probably an issue in the experiments.

The vast majority of psychics I have met "in the wild" are either under trained or simply lack specific knowledge that can enhance their ability and lead to consistent performance. Missing points of reference(s) seems to cause inconsistent results and varying performance levels.

That doesn't mean I am perfect in all fields.

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People like Randi also set the bar very high considering the crop of people he is bringing in to challenge his statements. I think the general populace of psychics lack specific kinds of training and suffer from preexisting conditions (both mentally and physically) that makes their performance very hit or miss.

They might make a reasonable hit 5 out of 6 times, but someone like Randi might set the bar at 6 out of 6. Some psychic might suffer from fatigue from repeated performances in short periods of time. Someone like Randi might not be aware of "the facts behind the produced phenomena" and consider the misses to be a result of statistical anomalies. Some of the psychics are likely to be aware of the fatigue but may not know (on a technical level) what "causes it" and when fatigue on different levels begins to "set in".

If a Grey or Nordic walked into his testing lab; no doubt they would pass the tests with extreme consistency and exactitude. They would probably also turn a Randi type figure into their "female dog" and take him with them. (LOL sorry, crude thoughts coming to mind)

Can people whom are gifted pass the test? Yes, probably quite a few do. Are they trained well enough to perform with consistency? Probably the majority won't perform with consistency. (unless they specialize in a specific area).

Do the psychics whom perform the tests know a sufficient amount about what they are doing to switch modes and applied methods "on the fly" when switching from one routine the another? Probably not.

If a psychic lacks knowledge over what they are doing, then they are likely to lack in strategies and a varied array of methods. If they lack the strategies and methods to best apply in a given situation, they then lack consistent performance. If they lack in consistent performance during an evaluation then, they will likely be seen as an anomaly when they perform.

There are plenty of psychics whom perform badly for very valid reasons. They might be good in one specific talent and terrible in all others. If you take them into a room and give them numerous pointers and specific advice along with a dozen different psychic diagnostics and bring it to their awareness...they would perform admirably I would think.