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Neuru
07-29-2012, 03:38 PM
@Fore: Check your inbox (your email, not the PM inbox here).

Fore
07-29-2012, 04:05 PM
I just cleaned out my inbox on Theoutpostforum. I'll check the gmail account right now.

Neuru
07-29-2012, 05:03 PM
As for collaboration, how could I have forgotten this?

Google Sites
http://sites.google.com

Granted, it's not a wiki but it's free, has collaboration features and it's more "closed" than a wiki. Using a wiki may be overkill anyway since making a separate page for every small term would fragment the narrative of the document. Also, IIRC Google Sites offers a simple way to back up a site.

Plus there are no ads.

Fore
08-01-2012, 06:34 AM
The Extended Mind: Recent Experimental Evidence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnA8GUtXpXY

Neuru
08-01-2012, 12:01 PM
Based on this video's contents alone, I doubt that there needs to be a supernatural explanation for "the sense of being stared at." Other things discussed in the video are of course a different thing. But there are still lots of phenomena that are physiological but don't have sufficiently complete scientific explanations at the moment. Examples: the functioning of the human vomeronasal organ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomeronasal_organ), female ejaculation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation) (nope, not going to link specific examples of this), the famous G-spot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Spot) (no examples for this either), alien hand syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_hand_syndrome), etc. and the sense of being stared at may have a physiological root cause.

(But of course, it's also prudent to remember that only a few decades ago lucid dreaming itself was not thought scientifically feasible whereas nowadays it's commonly known and practiced. What's more, in the 19th century some scientist, I can't recall his name at the moment, thought that all dreaming actually happens in the moment right before you wake up.)

@12:55, "By the age of about 9--10 or 11, the average child learns the correct view which is that thoughts and images are invisible things located inside the head. We've all been brought up with the correct view in spite of the fact there's actually no evidence for it. No one's ever seen or thought of an image inside their head."

Maybe I'm just dense (not maybe, that's actually more than likely;)) but does he mean there is no empirical evidence for mental imagery? There is. In fact, here's a paper on how the reported vividness of an individual's mental images correlates with said individual's visual cortex activity (http://eaglemanlab.net/papers/CuietalVividnessVisionRes2007.pdf). There's also the Journal of Mental Imagery (http://www.journalofmentalimagery.com/) but you have to be a subscriber to read that. And, mental images are not "invisible", most people have mental images that "significantly" (I'm quoting Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_image)) resemble the image quality their eyes provide.

@13:44, "Jim Corbett who was a famous wild--tiger shooter in--during the British Raj in India, author of books like, "Man Eaters of Kumaon," said that his life had been saved on many occasion by feeling the look of a hidden tiger."

Disregarding the fact that anecdotal evidence is fundamentally unscientific (or if I wanted to be really snarky, I could say "Yeah, it's evidence, except it isn't."), I'd suspect in this case the explanation was sensory cues. Maybe subliminal (=below conscious awareness) so he didn't even realize them. Slight changes in ambient temperature, air currents, noises he didn't consciously notice but his brain did process and evaluate nevertheless. (Just using Occam's Razor -- I'm saying this without having read the book mentioned.)

And of course, while sometimes the person being stared at (without their knowing) stares back, a lot of the time, they don't. So, confirmation bias. And probably a bad example to use for trying to support the existence of telepathy.

@15:44, "Here you see a flock of starlings. The flock can fly together, they can turn immensely quickly without bumping into each other. Here are some other pictures of flocks of birds of starlings and the astonishing maneuvers that they make. Some of you who are familiar with animation--computer animations of bird flocks like Craig Reynolds classic Boids Model from the '80s, which seem to show you--and just to explain it by Nearest Neighbor Sensations. Actually you can't, those nobles--those models are biologically naive. They assumed that birds look at their nearest neighbor, process the information, adjust their flight and change direction. That takes a lot of time, nervous systems work slowly compared with computers."

Who said a bird in a flock can't actively communicate its motions to its neighbors, maybe through sounds? Also, they're "slower"? Think again, the common house fly can process visual data way more quickly than a human which is why you have to use a flyswatter and good timing if you want to terminate it.

@18:01, "Another way of thinking about this is through Quantum Entanglement and Dean Radin, who gave a talk here at Google sometime ago, a few months ago, has written a book called "Entangled Minds" suggesting that when people have close social relationships and interactions, their minds become entangled. So that when they separate, there's still an entanglement between them so a change in one--is reflected by a change in another."

Yes... or maybe people who "have close social relationships and interactions" just get to know each other better and reciprocally adopt habits and idiosyncrasies. Duh.

@20:10, "But for me, the plural of anecdote is data."

Good for you. Meanwhile, in Real Life™... the plural of anecdote is anecdotes.

@20:32, "For example, on our database, we have hundreds of reports from cat owners saying their cat seems to read their mind and know when they're planning to take it to the vet, the cat disappears."

Confirmation bias? Don't domestic cats like to disappear a lot anyway? There may very well have been other sensory cues for the cats besides the ones which the owners sought to eliminate (like the baskets). For instance, the owner might, unconsciously, adopt specific changes in gait, facial expressions, and fine motorics, etc. when taking the cat to the vet is on their mind. I doubt they (the owners) would notice it.

@21:22, "And the--with dogs and cats, another very common phenomenon is the animals knowing when their owners are coming home. A lot of dogs and cats wait at the door or window when the owner is on the way home, even if they come at non-routine times, even if they come by public transport, even if they're in a friend's car and even if the people at home don't know when they're coming."

The last case is the interesting one. In other cases there is no way to verify, short of installing a camera, that said animals didn't check before their owners came home. They could also learn a sort of rudimentary time table of when to check for their owners. I could relay an anecdote in which a pet dog went to the nearby bus stop every time the bus came until her owner showed up. If she (the owner) didn't, she (the dog) went back to her home. If I was her owner, I would only see that the dog came at the right time.

@23:19 he talks about a related experiment, now that sounds better than anecdotes.

@26:29, "There are vigilante organizations that have been setup to try and discredit research of this kind, there are active groups of highly motivated skeptics, they vastly outnumber researchers in this field, the total number of subscribers to skeptical magazines in the U.S. is about 100,000. The total number of full-time researchers in parapsychology is about five, so they're outnumbered about 20,000 to 1 by well organized groups of skeptics."

Citation needed.

@29:03, "Many mothers claim that they can feel when their baby needs them, a lot of nursing mothers have what's called "The milk let down reflex", that for the benefit of the men here, which is the majority, is a reflex that occurs with nursing mothers, normally when they hear the baby cry, there's a release of oxytocin from the brain that causes the breast to prepare to feed the baby. These special changes occur in the breast; the nipple starts leaking, many women experience a tingling sensation. Some women experienced that when they're away from their baby, they may be shopping in a supermarket and suddenly their milk lets down and they feel their breasts tingle. Most women, when that happens, assume that the baby needs them, they used to just go home, nowadays they call home on the cell phone and they're often right, not always but very often." (emphasis mine)

Wouldn't that rather imply that there could be a sort of cyclicality to breastfeeding? Or maybe during breastfeeding, specific chemicals could be transmitted between mother and child that could "synchronize" the time of the next instance? I don't know, this is just an uneducated guess.

@30:54-35:05, re: the "telephone telepathy" experiment, just an irrational thought on my part but 4 possible callers seems a bit small to me. Why not try it with 16, maybe more?

@36:14, "Lots of people think of someone then they get an email from them and say, "That's funny, I was just thinking about you.""

Again, anecdotes. Said phenomenon can be more simply attributed to

confirmation bias
said people actually erroneously thinking that they knew when they actually didn't (a.k.a. false memory; remember, memory tends to be erroneous and unreliable unless you have true photographic memory [as opposed to highly developed sensory memory] which I actually suspect to be a psychic skill, not a biological feature, at least in humans)
subliminal sensory cues, maybe the email program did flash a notification in the corner of the screen (Outlook does this and, specifically, Outlook 2007's notification does not stand out too much) but the person didn't notice it consciously because they were focused on something else at the time

Not saying all instances are like this, just, likely, most. Hmm, maybe that's pessimism or just realism, dunno.

@50:50-52:19, on Randi's dog experiment: Oh wow.:eek: If Sheldrake's claims are true I don't even know what to say...

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Disclaimer: I do not have any sorts of scientific credentials, just thought that Fore put up this video for discussion so there should be a bit of discussion on it. I don't have the time to finish it right now. If anyone's interested (well... anyone interested?), I'll finish it up later.

Fore
08-01-2012, 02:23 PM
You should continue watching past 52 minutes mark. At 54 it talks about different research in different fields.

As for Randi, well...I agree with the mans comments at the 50 to 52 minute mark.

Edit: At 57mintes he is reiterating a point of research that he mentioned before. Can people figure out whether a broadcast is happening in real time or not?

His research seems to want to delve into areas of whether or not there is a back-end awareness of real world situations in groups.

In other words, I interpret he is venturing into research about whether or not "morphic fields" (influence fields in my lingo) can convey information to individuals without the direct aid of their bodies awareness.

Neuru
08-02-2012, 11:22 AM
@53:11, "It's a good point. And first of all, I don't think that all science requires a theory. No one knew till recently how aspirin worked. No one knew till recently and they probably still don't know how super--high temperature superconductivity worked." (emphasis mine)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science#Philosophy_of_science]There[/url] are different schools of thought in philosophy of science. The most popular position is empiricism, which claims that knowledge is created by a process involving observation and that scientific theories are the result of generalizations from such observations.[16] Empiricism generally encompasses inductivism, a position that tries to explain the way general theories can be justified by the finite number of observations humans can make and the hence finite amount of empirical evidence available to confirm scientific theories. This is necessary because the number of predictions those theories make is infinite, which means that they cannot be known from the finite amount of evidence using deductive logic only.
To me, as a layman, yes, sounds about right but theories should emerge subsequently.

@54:08, "Telepathy should occur between people you know well much more than people you don't, for example."

That posits that, if, and only if, telepathy exists, then every single person is equally capable of it. But just think of natural attributes - dexterity, metabolism rate, peak physical strength, or if we really wanted to focus on mental capabilities, then working memory capacity (this is alleged by some to correlate with IQ), language learning rates, pattern recognition, proneness to belief, vividness of memory recall (both sensory and non-sensory) and mental imagery - there are huge differences in all these areas. Particularly with the last one (I mean both memory and imagery), if the research spearheaded by the Gallant Lab of UCB (http://gallantlab.org/) ever comes to fruition a couple decades hence, we're in for a big surprise which will leave a lasting mark on law enforcement (the considered credibility of witnesses, in particular) and education, to only mention the most likely affected ones. I only mention this particular topic (imagination and memory) because I read up on it last year and suspect that it is a key element in psi development (obviously if and only if the material allegedly taught to you is indeed legitimate) - since the higher and lower minds interface through imagination.

(Obviously this scenario does not take into account the alleged inevitability of near-future mass calamity, alien disclosure and intervention and mass human die-off.)

So, I suspect you (Fore) would say, no, it shouldn't occur between those people more, instead it should occur more between those people of whom at least one has a more elevated psychic activation level than her or his peers.

@55:54, "And that's why you see parents and streets seeing--they see a dog and he would, "Doggie," and everyone say would--so, you know, it's just looking at the same thing, pointing, seeing things, is part of normal development. People who don't do that are often autistic."

Re: autism and the lack of joint attention in the early years, he does not make clear which one is the cause and which the effect.

I think this is an interesting topic of research, it also ties into feral children. Have you (either of you, Fore or Pontificator) psychically scanned someone who is/was a feral child? If yes (or if information on this was relayed to you), how does their mental makeup differ in their mirror universe projection compared to "normally" brought up humans? (I don't know if this is really that interesting or not.)

@61:31, "[...] in consciousness studies, one of the really big debates is; how does visual perception work? Is there of actual reality display inside the head? If so, where is it? How does it work? And if it's virtual, why should it be stopped by the skull rather than go through it?" (emphasis mine)

Umm... O_o I guess he never heard of the visual cortex? Okay, granted I'm a dimwit but... really... I don't think that's what he meant... at least I hope...

@63:41, "If you're smart, you've got to be a skeptic"

Yes, that's what you've got to be... well, depending on what you mean by "smart." If you mean people who forage and hunt, and that they have superior perception and reflexes compared to city-dwelling, soft-skinned weaklings who can be compared, in this case, to coma victims on life support then they are smarter indeed. Artists are smart, too, if by "smart" you mean proficiency in an arbitrary set of skills. So are artisans, musicians, but also successful assassins, used car salesmen and politicians.

Skepticism is, AFAIK, the practice of doubting everything, which includes one's thoughts and perceptions because the human brain has a lot of flaws that impede completely rational thinking. Combine skepticism with experimentation and you get the pursuit of truth.

You (Fore) said that

Even if they perform a wide array of talents with impeccable control, the default human condition is to disbelieve until there is a critical consensus that something is definitely real or something happens which causes an unavoidable and inescapable acknowledgement of reality.
Actually, I don't think so. This is closer to the skeptic's take on "extraordinary" claims and happenings, if we discount the "consensus" part since a diehard skeptic should never equate a widespread consensual idea with said idea being true at all. The default human condition is to believe when you "feel" something is right - you mentioned the feeling of "truthiness", which is a neural phenomenon and how a telepathic being can, allegedly, produce this artificially. If it wasn't, there would be no religions and no corruption. Aren't humans known to be massively guilty of credulity?

@73:11, "But now, we recognize subjectivity, consciousness is part of science and we need to think about it scientifically."

Yes, subjectivity is scientific, except it isn't. I don't think he meant to say this... but how could I know...

@80:21, "And if any positive report is there, they immediately wheel on a media skeptic like Michael Shermer to say, "It's all rubbish.""

Nice. I don't know who Michael Shermer is but I thought the terms "media" and "skepticism" are fundamentally incompatible.:D

@89:15, "So, then he said, "The trouble with telepathy is that people are--" then he said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's a standard skeptical slogan." So I said, "Well, what's the extraordinary claim?" I said, "The majority of saying normal people in Britain believed they've had telepathic experiences." In that sense, it's not extraordinary, it's ordinary. Most people had it. You're making the claim that most people are deluded about their own experience."

Telepathy is extraordinary, if we take the perspective of empirical science because there is no known biological, let alone physical basis for it. Otherwise, nice dodging by Dawkins, as described (alleged) by Sheldrake. You'll have to check the credibility and general reputation of each journal the records on this incident were published in, though, before accepting it. But it's good to have things like this published.

I likely left out some things that should have been commented. Oh, on a side note... I did not watch the video, just read the transcript.:eek: I have just about as much of a dislike for watching videos as you do towards reading longer texts.

Fore
08-02-2012, 12:41 PM
The last few days I haven't reported anything because I am not sure if it is valid to report something.

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It was on the 28th or the 29th of July, 2012 at about 3:30pm to 4:10pm that I was compiling a picture of what the structure of my group looks like from my perspective and from everything I have been able to glean over the years. I had actually been compiling the data in my mind (with some difficulty) for two days prior to that. What became obvious after compiling the data into organized relational charts was that the number of people (ET) directly involved is larger than I had really realized when putting it all down on e-paper.

I used a website that offers free services for creating charts. I was almost complete with an organizational styled chart of the ET people immediately in charge of me within my former "ET group" structure before it was dissolved/retired.

Perhaps not unexpectedly, the power went out to all the electrical sockets connected to my various computers in the house as I was finishing up the compilation. I sat up and sighed after it happened and simply thought to myself that the hardest part was already done. I would simply redo it again after I turned on the PC and tried again. I had already memorized the structure so it would be faster this time.

I pushed the power on the PC and nothing occurred. So I went into the pantry to see if for some mysterious reason the power breaker had tripped? The circuit wasn't anywhere near overloaded. The air conditioners were on a different and dedicated circuit and this issue doesn't happen as I organized all the electronics and appliances with care to make sure that they weren't overloaded.

At the breaker box, all the breakers were on their "ON" position. Nothing had flipped? So I flipped them all OFF and then ON again. Nothing happened.I went back to the PC and looked at the extension cords and the lights indicating power was not lit on any of them. I flipped off and on each one and made sure to press the reset button in case that had tripped.

Again, nothing happened. So I assumed the fuse must have blown? I didn't know how to replace a fuse in the breaker box since these are the new types and I assume you'd have to replace the relay itself?

I called the landlord and asked him to call an electrician. He told me the obvious about flipping the switches and all that. Then after we got passed the obvious trouble shooting he told me he was going to send some workmen to work on my house anyway so the electrician would be there on Monday.

So when my family complained that the electronics didn't work I told them they'd have to wait until then. The lights still worked and so did the air conditioning. No biggie, but a bit boring for a Sunday.

I disconnected the power extensions from the walls since the workmen were going to remodel part of the sheetrock in the houses front rooms. Despite disconnecting everything there was no short anywhere and still no power.

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I started to think to myself that the buggers above were messing with the electricity as they had done so in the past when I tried to write something they didn't want to be written about them. But then I thought to myself that I am being paranoid.

The workmen came to the house at midday on Monday. 80% of the power plugs int he house did not work. Only one small circuit was working (the air conditioning circuit and the misc kitchen circuit along with the third circuit for lights.)

When the workmen started to plan out their work I mentioned the power being out in most of the houses plugs. So they would have to run an extension from a generator or the house next door. While the landlord said the same about the plugs and the breaker box I reminded him that we already went through all of it several times even when at night.

Then, I sat down while the men brought in their tools. They started putting up scaffolds and stuff and I sat on the couch to make sure they didn't break anything or markup the furniture. The men were still discussing what panels they would work on first and where. They decided to redo the roof first and started to arrange the scaffold for it.

As if on command, while I sat on the couch wondering when the power might come back. The switch in front of me suddenly lit up green and electricity was flowing through the power plugs. No breakers had been messed with or reset before the electricity came back. It had been just about a day since the issue appeared.

The men plugged in their drills and started to do their work. I sat on the couch a bit suspicious and bewildered as to how the power came back at the opportune time.

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I sat back and watched them for a few hours as they worked on the house. After a while I got bored of watching them work and so I went to the computer and turned it on. A few minutes later the power plugs immediately went dead.

At first I thought it was a short somewhere since all the other plugs had been pulled. But after the computer turned off, the workers commented to each other that the plugs weren't working. And it went back on as if on command. No flipping or tripping of switches either at the extension level or the breaker panel.

They used the power plugs for 2 hours to do more work and they turned on a high volume Fan I had laying around after the room had been cleared out of most of the contents. So the load didn't seem to cause any problems.

I took my PC and opened it up to see if it was causing some sort of short. I ran tests on the power supply using a power supply tester and all was normal. Things were recently cleaned out previously so it wasn't a dust issue. I took out one fan thinking that it might be causing electrical problems. Then I commented to a family member that I had never heard of a DC fan causing a short that would knock out electricity throughout a house without either the extension or the breaker box tripping.

I put the PC back into service and waited. The power went out again after a few minutes. Workers complained blah blah.

So I unplugged the PC and instead moved a server I had and connected it. Same issue, the power went down again. So I disconnected the server and left a light and other electronics connected. Nothing went out.

I then decided at the end of the day that I should probably not mention this on the forum because I was unsure of the cause and didn't want to seem crazy for implying anything absurd. Then I decided I should cover up the incident by simply saying nothing.

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I decided that I should not compile the diagram of the ET and connected one of my laptops to one of the kitchen circuits. It worked fine.I visited the forum no probs.

Later that night I put the server in the same location away from the work area and hooked it up and turned it on like before. Things worked fine so I connected my PC to the plug as before in the same place as always and the issue mysteriously disappeared.

I guess the electrical sockets have a mind of their own based on my decision not to continue the diagram? <Shrug>

Either that or whomever is in charge is using the old tricks of the past that I was formerly accustomed to on a daily basis...

Neuru
08-02-2012, 01:56 PM
I decided that I should not compile the diagram of the ET and connected one of my laptops to one of the kitchen circuits. It worked fine.I visited the forum no probs.

Later that night I put the server in the same location away from the work area and hooked it up and turned it on like before. Things worked fine so I connected my PC to the plug as before in the same place as always and the issue mysteriously disappeared.
I guess you could still draw the diagram on paper, have it scanned at a copy shop and upload it from a busy netcafé. (Busy = maybe less chance for interference since it would have many witnesses. Or a good opportunity to have a PC blown and the blame for the damage laid upon you. Dunno really.) Or better yet, hand it to someone you trust and have them upload it. I don't know how much interference that would attract.

On another side note, I see a certain new member signed up a couple days ago using the alias g2v12. Unless it's a spambot that crawled that name from the forum, I guess this is the author who kept contact with Matti Aladin whom I mentioned in this post:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=11826&viewfull=1#post11826 (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=11826&viewfull=1#post11826)

Maybe he lost his password for the previous account, that's none of my business anyway and I don't care either.

Some time ago I had corresponded in email with Montalk on Matti's contact experiences. I also have a half-finished writeup on some correlations I found between his case and yours. I'll dig that up in the next few days and also ask Montalk for permission to quote his observations as well. For now, I can say that based on what I've read so far I very definitely doubt that Matti's contacts are benevolent beings - if they are indeed real and not delusions or a hoax which of course is unverifiable given the lack of physical, empirical proof.

Fore
08-02-2012, 02:49 PM
There are a few more things to share about the last 3 days.

I am thinking that I should disclose as much as possible even if it seems unimportant to me to relate it to you guys. I figured that having an excessive number of snapshot impressions being relayed and over reporting is better than continuously under-reporting.

The logic being that these "safeguards", if any exist, are likely to be strictly limited to me and not everyone else. The additional assumption being that any additional safeguards my former ET group may implement on additional people will be acts of overcompensation for issues which they may not be able to quietly control behind the curtain.

In other words, if I put it all out there assuming there are enough people with a given amount of intelligence exists and are actively watching the words as they appear...my former group will need to be ready to deal with that situation or control and manipulate the perceptions that are created as a result.

Someone like montalk might find additional answers to questions or he might be inspired. Your might find something useful in your own way Nuero. And Pontif might be able to avoid the implementation of a similar system or at the very least figure it out faster if he sees parallels in his own evolving situation long after I am not here anymore.

I hope it helps.

Fore
08-02-2012, 03:07 PM
On Tuesday (July 31, 2012), and previous days, I have been rummaging through memories in order to compile information.

A phenomena re-appeared during my evaluation of memories and compilation of future subjects.

During one of my online chats with Garuda several years ago, we were talking and the topic of the Advisor came up. At the time as the conversation evolved, I was pulling up information from my memory and recalling the events surrounding the Advisor. Almost every time he and I talk they maintain careful observation on both of us.

They have (an unfounded) poor opinion of him. Mainly it seems out of self interest and secrecy, they prefer to keep Garuda as far away from me as possible.

During the chat he asked me to think of the Advisor and notice which way my eyes moved as I thought of her. Unknown to me he was trying to figure out if the memories were fabricated or if they were real recollections. On the first try I reported the results.

The ET found out moments later (through their monitoring) and in subsequent tries I was unable to recall anything related to the Advisor.(This was moments afterwards)

There was a light sensation that creeped up over my mind that seem to create a fogginess and subsequently a controlled memory loss.

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A similar incident with the same type of affect happened just a few days ago as I tried to compile the information on team members in my former ET group. It appeared that someone noticed what was my intention and why I was rummaging through various recalls of the different people involved.

I was then unable to recall *anything* or very vague remembrances of the various members. The effect lasted maybe an hour. Then as I put my mind to something else, the effect of artificial fogginess seemed to disappear and I once again was able to recall the various members signatures and through that organize their affiliations and recall various incidents I had interactions with them.

In other words, there is obviously a trick they use on me to create selective memory loss or impede recollection. It seems to be temporary in the way it is used.

Fore
08-02-2012, 04:06 PM
The night of Tuesday, I thought through what they might perceive when they read my mind or there is some kind of flagged event they then monitor.

So far, I have been able to figure out that the process is almost subconscious. I can "sense" when the flag is raised. It is a subdued sensation but it is there and it is always similar or the same from one event to the next.

So in other words, I can sense when the trigger occurs and they are alerted.

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I have noticed that the flagged event appears to be automated in some strange sense of the word. I do not yet know if the monitoring "device or process" is neurological, mental, or a psychic subroutine embedded in some psychic structure.

It is very hard to say it is one over the other. I do know that a part of my mind appear to be "aware" or is somehow co-opted in the process at a subconscious level. That means that somehow the process is embedded in my cognition.

I have noticed that I am instinctively aware of what I should answer vs what I should avoid. So there must be some kind of cognitive component to the routine.

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I am also able to say with some level of assurance that the monitoring process seems to take in visual, audio, and cognitive thought processes into account.

Meaning, (as crazy as this sounds) it means that the triggers can be one of the three. There seems to be a component that provides feedback and asserts a form of compliance. Meaning if Neuro asks me to explain the processes of controlling ones psi abilities with advanced methods then I automatically sense in my mind that this is a topic that is off limits.

I sense the feeling that Nuero should not know that. This process does not seem to require active ET input. Therefore it is likely an automated routine. Again, I do not yet know whether the process is purely neurological process, a higher thought process, a hypnotic process or if it is a psychic monitoring feature. It seems to work regardless of whether my abilities are active or not.

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It seems there is a delay between the monitoring process (a monitoring flag is created) and an actual ET going through and reviewing the information surrounding the flagged event.

When these events occur, there is sometimes a high pitched sound in one or both ears and blood flow regularly changes slightly in the head. It's a result of Micro-PK charges as my abilities:

A) Turn on by itself.

And

B) It begins to connect to the ET network.


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(Note: The ET network refers to the psychic network which a group(s) share to communicate with one another through non-line of sight communications.)

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Situation Path A: The Monitoring ET often then interacts directly with me. It tells me, advises me, or provides additional general input on the situation. I am free to disregard the input provided.

Situation Path B: The Monitoring ET seems to assess that the situation needs to be pushed on to someone other than itself. It usually passes it on to a supervisor, intermediary leader, or to one of the ET group members. Which the ET then intervene.

Situation Path C: An ET group member evaluates the information directly.

Note: Sometimes the "Monitoring ET" is one of those Area Wide monitors...usually a Grey or Grey Variant. Sometimes that "Monitoring ET" can be someone inside the project whom is a more personal touch and knows more about the case than the general Area Wide Monitors.

Note: I can't be specific since I simply don't know for sure. But my impression has always been that the Area Wide Monitors are like non-project specific individuals whom (I think) take care of low contact or cold contact situations . They seem to take care of an area that is about the size of Texas. I am "best guessing" though based on multiple mind reading attempts on one of the Wide Area Monitor types. I cannot say for sure. Often they will pass the task on to someone specifically in the ET project from everything I have been able to understand about the situation.

Note: Sometimes a "Monitoring ET" may take Days to pick up on an event. It depends on how busy/active they are and if they are available.

pontificator
08-03-2012, 06:01 AM
@Fore, PM me your email address for gmail and I'll sort out a few online documents that can be edited. Additionally, what topics are not causing flag-waving your end?

You may have also noticed me getting a lock onto you yesterday, it certainly grabbed the attention of someone when I started tracing from you to them. The RV-like ability also seems to be getting much stronger, but can be a bit disconcerting when I rest my head against a bus window and find that I'm looking at it with a new set of "eyes" as it were. Seems that if something enters the immediate local field around the head then I'll be able to see it, but this is especially true of the left side.

You may also find that writing a document on each being, and then having a list at the end of the document of where and to whom else they are related to in the hierarchy may work better. Have you ever used the Draw program in the Open Office Suite? It's quite good for making flow charts, and can be used as an index in a similar vein [individual document names listed in the diagram, with the documents kept separately.] I've personally used it when making branching story-lines in a choose-your-own-adventure style story, worked quite well. Additionally if you are typing in Google docs the files are saved quite frequently their end, so if the copies are shared it would be quite easy for me and anyone else to download the work in-progress.

Worse-case scenario, you could do it all by hand, and then post a copy to me ;)

Fore
08-04-2012, 04:39 PM
Before I say anything, I want to make it clear that the individual researcher in the video is clearly ignorant of different issues and mechanics that exist in Influence Space. (Processes, limitations, fundamental characteristics that differs between the individual and the phenomena, etc.)

So if we keep it in mind, we can clearly see why the performance levels in his test subjects are "iffy" at best. He is testing rather blindly on common people without any real training or extensive involvement in the manipulation of PSI structures let alone influence mechanics. Of course, that is how science works....


@54:08, "Telepathy should occur between people you know well much more than people you don't, for example."

That posits that, if, and only if, telepathy exists, then every single person is equally capable of it.

Points of reference to keep in mind:

Telepathy (the enacted phenomena he is attempting to research) is an end result of different layered processes.

---There are cognitive control routines and psyche components.

---There are biological level fundamentals and processes that support the "act of telepathy". Everything from nuances in brain formation in different individuals; all the way to successful "mapping" techniques at the psyche/cognitive and biological level. The implementations work along with feedback routines from biological tissue.

---There are also patterned influence based structures (such as an Interconnect and associated Influence structures) , influence supplies, [*Hopefully functional*] Spiritual sub-routines (Higher/Lower mind crosstalk operations) that all work together to form the effect called "Telepathy".

The Imaginary rendering mechanism is simply one kind of implementation and only one sliver of the acting processes that makes functional PSI.

There are other modes you can use (and I do) that don't require an imaginary routine.

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Lets break down the different points so that everyone understands what that mass of text up above actually means.

I think it is time to slow down and go over the tiny nuances rather than oversimplify them like I usually do. I am going to "attempt" to talk to and address you and Pontif *as if* you were just another ET having a conversation with me.

Unfortunately, it means that it is going to take alot of additional writing space and the integration of complicated notions that might not yet be introduced. I'll try my best to fill in the gaps in their naked and unsimplified form. I won't try to simplify them so you'll have to chew on the bits of information in it's raw form than it's simplified form.

I may not be able to make parallels to regular human experience that you'll easily understand. But I will strive to make it so that you will understand it like the ET do as well as I do.

Hopefully, I won't lose everyone in the non-simplified form. There are major gaps being left out that don't relate to the everyday experience of regular folks but which is treated as "obvious" when covering topics with the ET.

Fore
08-04-2012, 04:46 PM
The first point:

We (the ET and I) don't use our minds in the same way normal people do. It is more like a structured tool.

People, (regular people) use their minds in a different way. What I mean by that is that they use their mind largely for leisure. An example, is their imagination.

People like me, use our mind capacity for rendering information.

Note: There are different styles, techniques, methods and implementations. One style, technique, applied control method in one instance for one task...then switched over to another type for a different skill set or for ease of use.

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The imaginary component in my mind is re-purposed to the tasks of controlling phenomena through a cognitive interface with the higher mind.

I draw out complex tasks using an imaginary control interface. It sees, it follows. *[2]

AND/OR

I used it to render information in two[or three] different ways. *[1]

Fore
08-04-2012, 05:00 PM
I draw out complex tasks using an imaginary control interface. It sees, it follows. *[2]

That means that if I render a function in my imaginary complex, for example, I imagine a concentration of influence in front of me without moving my hands or anything.

I consciously fill in specification, size, attributes, distance, intended functions and purpose for the phenomena within an imaginary rendering in my lower consciousness.*[4]

My Higher mind is aware of what my lower mind experiences; it looks for the directives and specifications and then forms the phenomena through my psychic structures.*[3]

Monkey see, Monkey do.

Fore
08-04-2012, 05:10 PM
I consciously fill in specification, size, attributes, distance, intended functions and purpose for the phenomena within an imaginary rendering in my lower consciousness.*[4]

Like writing on paper in an office, and transferring it to another desk for someone to read and carry out, there are also directives that actively control what it [my higher mind] follows through with.

The imaginary rendered task is only part of the process. There are other synchronous processes that control and give feedback.*[5]

The imaginary component of my mind is also used to render ESP information gathered and collected by my Higher Mind. My higher mind writes the rendering and passes it back across the desk so my Lower Mind can perceive the structured information on the paper.

Through this two different parts of one mind can pass conscious messages with information from one sector to the other. It crosses the bridge between the lower and higher mind.

In real life the bridge is the Interconnect and it's associated influence based structures.*[6]

Fore
08-04-2012, 05:25 PM
I used it to render information in two[or three] different ways. *[1]

I used it to render information in two[or three] different ways. *[1]


The imaginary component of my mind is also used to render ESP information gathered and collected by my Higher Mind. My higher mind writes the rendering and passes it back across the desk so my Lower Mind can perceive the structured information on the paper.


There are other ways to render the [ESP] information. I can tell my Higher Mind to render the information through lower minds peripheral sensory experience. Directly unto synaptic processes found in the lower minds organic components. (Sounds inhuman when I talk that way doesn't it?)

Therefore the "manifestation" of the information can be overlaid unto pre-existing sensations. This is called an "Overlay". I can do this "at will" through "cognitive-based directives". This is a different system that is separate from the imaginary system.

As long as the psychic structures embedded into my physical organic body are "in sync" and "calibrated" and "bonded properly" (Also called "Brain/biological Mapping" with the different structures in the brain, the sensation can be easily introduced as "phantom sensations" and artificially-cognitive injections of spontaneous information...[ESP] *[8]

Fore
08-04-2012, 05:55 PM
Let me stop for a half second right here and give a hypothetical example.

Whats the difference between an imaginary rendering to control your psi abilities and just using a cognitive injection routine?

Well, if I wanted to pick someone at random and cause them severe headaches from hundreds of miles away...

With the imaginary system it would need to be filled in with targeting (referential location) information. Who is the target? The information need to be filled in the imaginary complex as a set of references. Could be an online name coupled with a psychic signature that is specific to that individual.

Then the target needs to be bonded via a psychic link. (sort of like a long bridge between targets. If you make people read accounts, then that person is likely to think about the people, persons or places being described and accidentally form a bond with the person telling the story.)

With that established bond and references, now you have to render in your imagination, a set of instructions that you higher mind can follow through with.

For example, you can render a question: What is the current status of the target?

Your higher mind reads the instruction/query, the target information is retrieved, the rendering comes back through the imaginary complex in a specific and unique way. (Your imaginary complex becomes like an internal renderer) It can be a real time feed or a snapshot from a specific point in time.

Then with that imaginary rendering in the lower mind, you make changes to the imaginary rendering, then issue the directive that tells the Higher mind to follow through with the changes in this task.

Your Higher mind goes through the motions after it understands the changes you made to the lower minds [imaginary] renderings you have made. The task and the specifics have been relayed to the Higher mind and it carries out the task using you psi abilities. The target is affected. The target then reports changes through conventional communication. (Forums/Emails/Regular Mail)

(Note: Usually the Higher Mind will re-establish the rendering minutes or hours later with an updated version of the current targets conditions. if the Task has been carried out successfully, the targets new rendering will have changed and it will be reflected in conventional communications.)

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Whats the difference when it comes to direct cognitive style of control? (Cognitive Injection Routine)

Well it is not the best style for long distance manipulation of an influence field.

Instead, for "near range" [as in the immediate vicinity] influence, direct cognitive control is best. It is virtually silent and relies more on the "intention factor" (more or less) than it does on psycho-visualized directives.

Lets take a page out of the experiment the Army [and the Russians] had tried to make work. "The men who stare at Goats" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Men_Who_Stare_at_Goats) were experiments where the Army and KGB (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nina+kulagina) tried to stop the heart of animals or human beings.

In the Cognitive Control style, you would ask the Higher Mind to render an overly of information on the targets status into your visual cortex.

Visually you would see cognitive information become available that give you an indication on the targets status (almost always in real time).

Then, through cognitive controls, you establish what you intent is with a series of near silent commands in the mental landscape. These commands are similar to the act of lifting your arms. You don't think about it very much when you do it. Similarly, people like me do not think about it when using this cognitive control method.

We simply see [perceive] the overlay as an indicator on top of our senses. Through that we have a real time ESP evaluation of what the heart looks like and how it is operating.

We'd simply use our intention to control that segment of influence and alter it's properties. The heart muscles contain influence programmed for a certain operation. Simply changing them causes disturbances and eventually the disruption stops the functions that make the heart work properly.

Usually it is best to work at simple effects like affecting electrical properties (or the cycling functions) instead of literally trying to affect thousands of strands of heart tissue.

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Anyway, those are basically the differences.

One system has advantages over the other. As a trained psychic you evaluate the situation and implement one or the other (or a combination of both) for the completion of a task.

Untrained psychics usually have nearly none of the above implemented, nor do they typically understand what they seem to be doing or how they are doing it. That is why their performance is very "iffy" or sporadic.

Neuru
08-06-2012, 05:12 PM
From a different thread (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?803-NASA-s-Curiosity-Rover-Lands-or-Crashes-on-Mars-August-5th-2012) since this may belong here:

Further, from reconnecting to the ET network, I have gathered that our visitors from above are losing a long distance war and are being cornered around and near the proximity of the Earth. Seems they are still fighting rather vigorously on two fronts and losing their shirts and shoes in the process if I understood correctly the information they are transacting with one another.

The best way to put the big picture is that the Earth is like at their back, but it is like being pinned into a corner. They cannot walk on the Earth with absolute impunity. So they have tried to get beyond the perimeter where a war with other beings is hammering them from all sides apparently. Its toll on their capabilities and resources are significant.
What beings and factions are involved?


Originally I had been told a faction of the ET were coming here to amass in numbers....I guess that was a strange ~half lie~.
Does this relate to Sirius B?


They are losing their efforts to move freely. Being confined much closer to Earth and still fighting apparently. It is going to become obvious to the world in the near term that two factions are fighting a war above our heads if all this info I hear on their network is true.
Many pages back I posted this (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=5882&viewfull=1#post5882). Oddly enough Montalk updated the referenced article just a few hours after it was posted. The new version omits some of what I asked about. Here is the older version with the referenced parts. (http://web.archive.org/web/20100405205905/http://montalk.net/notes/looking-ahead-2010-2015) Check what it says for 2015. Funnious, methinks. Not that it's proof of anything though.

Does any of this affect how they (the others, I presume) plan to disclose themselves?

Does any of this relate to some of what Triform talked about back on OMF? (Not that he didn't sound like someone who was "handled"... or just delusional.)

Fore
08-06-2012, 10:43 PM
From a different thread (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?803-NASA-s-Curiosity-Rover-Lands-or-Crashes-on-Mars-August-5th-2012) since this may belong here:


What beings and factions are involved?


Does this relate to Sirius B?


Many pages back I posted this (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=5882&viewfull=1#post5882). Oddly enough Montalk updated the referenced article just a few hours after it was posted. The new version omits some of what I asked about. Here is the older version with the referenced parts. (http://web.archive.org/web/20100405205905/http://montalk.net/notes/looking-ahead-2010-2015) Check what it says for 2015. Funnious, methinks. Not that it's proof of anything though.

Does any of this affect how they (the others, I presume) plan to disclose themselves? It does seem to refer to the war allegedly at Sirius B from what I can glean. Unexpected developments, I think is the proper expression to use after listening in.

Seems illogical though, Lets say they have a war going on with someone else. They (the others) want to come here and openly interfere on Earth. How the others had planned it originally was by economic/political/governmental/social factors. (keep in mind the Advisor was my source on this)

Their opposition was simply a different faction that had differences rooted in ideological differences when it comes to Earth and the people on it. The Others and this ideologically different faction the Advisor belonged to seemed to be different only in their intent. I don't specifically recall the others being biologically defined as "Others". Meaning their differences are mostly in their head and intent. Though sometimes she did often point the finger at the Greys as being predominantly in "The Others" camp. Yet contrarily she said Greys differ plenty on their opinions depending on where they are involved.

So identifying whom is who, she basically told me it was easy...simply listen to what they say. That was the biggest differentiator she pointed out for me to look at. Their ideology and mentality speaks for itself is what I primarily understood.

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But without going too far off topic, how does any of this change their [The Others] plans? Good question and it is hard to squeeze out an answer from the little I have been noticing on the ET Network.

I was told "The Others" would openly interfere in Earths affairs. When was a matter of speculation. The "who got there first" seemed to be the only real contention. When asked, she [The Advisor] said they [her faction] didn't want to interfere. The way she described it was a game of jockeying to be "the first" only if the opposing faction ["The Others"] was absolutely hell bent and were going to "act out their plan" right then and there.

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During those times, the Advisor let me know just before the turn of the millennium that things were heating up because the others were coming in greater numbers.

She talked about a war (Sirius B) in which her Faction was engaged in a war. I don't recall at the moment against who though. She talked about this war leading to "the Others" amassing in numbers. (So that makes me wonder now, if she knew something back then and didn't say so?)

At that time, she gave me the distinct impression that "The Others" numbers were increasing around the Earth. The assumption she helped build in my mind on the issue was that they [The Others] were staging for the introduction of their plans on Earth. Open appearances and open devastation.

She talked about ETs all over the Earth preparing to leave and "get out of the way" (my words) from the entangling issues that at that time were arising. A few rare times she talked about ET attacking each other. Though I saw nothing obvious to conclude that. A few times she seemed nervous and mentioned how tense things were because the numbers of "Others" had increased significantly at the time.

She [the Advisor] said that the plan in her Faction was that they would send a representative down to Earth to counter the story that the Others had planned to pitch to our Earthly audience. She said the rest of the ET forces opposing them wouldn't be arriving for some time. She mentioned that and said that the hostile nature between the two would get worse after the planned scenarios they predicted would run their course.
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Now after looking at the ET network I noticed one thing, the minds predominantly performing transactions has changed significantly. It feel more one sided overall.

The story on the ET network in sporadic exchanges seems to indicate that ?some faction? is losing their war. The general gist seems to be that the unidentified transactions are discussing their deteriorating situation and confinement.

Whats illogical though is....well if a certain factions doesn't want whatever party to mess with the Earth or instigate any changes....why would they be pummeling them and then forcing them to withdraw near Earth???

Does that make any logical sense at all? It doesn't to me....I understand that if the people in the ET network are exchanging information and talking to each other about this apparent war and how they are losing badly...and they have to retreat...why do the retreating near and around Earth??

What so special about this ball of dirt?

Further, if the front lines are way over there in space somewhere, then why retreat all the way here? I don't get it. Doesn't make sense. I assume Earth is a disputed territory or something, but the whole situation seems bizarre and hard to understand. There must be a context that I am clearly missing.

P.S. After I investigated "Sirius B" and the term "War" at the behest of the Advisor more than a decade ago, there were references to other contactees/abductees referring to the same war.

pontificator
08-07-2012, 01:29 PM
@Fore, now here's a good question to ask: if an individual were constructing an overlay system from scratch, and under ideal circumstances, what would you idealistically say was the best system? This will probably include some things you wish you'd done :)

On the ongoing war, my thought is that there is more to this place than they are willing to say, as in that we are a final card to play. In theory if they amass here then they can say that we will be annihilated along with them, providing a fair bit of impetus to the locals. Alternatively is is a card of another kind, and they will appear to invade here as a last resort, meaning the locals embrace the next group that takes out "the others"and effectively "liberates" the earth [invasion by another means, heralded by much clapping and cheering.]

I also have another theory, running in the theme of the garden. So, we start as gardeners of a planet, quelling the wild world until it is peaceful. Later we become gardeners of worlds, doing much the same to the planets in this solar system. Later we become gardeners of the galaxy, quelling violence and bringing quietness and tranquillity. With that potential pedigree who wouldn't want to control this place? Especially if it were an inevitability, and the maker of the gardeners is cruising around in a giant cube with a rather large assault capsule ready to fire [you know, the sort that looks like a burning mountain, makes a huge hole in the ground called an abyss, and then the troops march out.]

Fore
08-07-2012, 06:36 PM
@Fore, now here's a good question to ask: if an individual were constructing an overlay system from scratch, and under ideal circumstances, what would you idealistically say was the best system? This will probably include some things you wish you'd done :)

The system I currently use is a custom one. The ETs extensively tested out different implementations during my time with them. That is why it often seems as if I am boasting from an outsiders point of view. I have used different systems in the course of the experiments so my knowledge covers a wide variety and styles.

To be perfectly straight forward there is no perfect system, it depends entirely on the individuals internal mechanisms. Everything from the way you approach problems in your particular thinking method/style to how you best handle situations that require psychic activity.

You might use more influence than I do, so the system might take on that particularity in the way you design your control system and feedback system. You might prefer technique over excessive influence output, again this means your internal design will vary based on your chosen style and implementation.

The variable are numerous in how one set of particular strength(s) and psychic capacities might affect how you design the control system.

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In short, I do very well in terms of general information collection and perception, but I did rather poorly in Macro-PK effects on the environment. My psychic control system is more custom tailored for exacting control with moderate feedback implementations.

My psychic control system covers a range of different forms.
At the lower mind level my cognition can be used to generate non-verbal and verbal controls.
There are two major forms "Generalized" or "Guided" control.
Both "Generalized" and "Guided" control can be based on the equivalent to "intention based" signal generation.
"Signal Generation" is basically any form of a "proxy styled" system of psychic control.

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"Proxy styled" control is anything which generates a signal in the lower mind to be read by the higher mind which then enact the psychic process. It is a form of indirect control. *[1]

"Generalized" [control] directives are open to interpretation by your Higher mind and usually are based on verbal [mental] or cognitive signal generation. By its nature it is usually non-specific, so when you issue a [control] directive and tell your higher mind to form a pocket of influence at the edge of the table...you might not specify which energy center to use or which corner of the 3D table.

Loosely predictable results may occur. During training you are taught to be very specific. People like me are trained to be specific enough that the "margin of error" is very small. People like me are also trained to understand that the processes that occur in the lower mind that makes sense to a human mental composition may not make perfect sense to your Higher mind where the processes and interpretation may not be equally the same. (Keep in mind, your Higher mind is not styled around a human body)

"Guided" control directives can also be called mimic directives. Monkey see, monkey do. You can do real-time control of your psychic abilities by imitation. An example is Macro-PK effects at a distance. Compressing influence into a dense form and then using hand motions your Higher mind can be instructed to follow the motions of your intent.

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I haven't really gone through the effort of thinking about all the different ways I use and compiling the information in an easy to display format. So I am probably missing quite a few.

pontificator
08-09-2012, 11:50 AM
@Fore, okay another simple question about an effect that others will run into:
When pressure builds up around the head should the individual keep it outside their head, or allow it to go into the skull? [this is where the pressure intensifies, but feels as though the intensification is intended to move into the skull.]

Fore
08-09-2012, 04:37 PM
@Fore, okay another simple question about an effect that others will run into:
When pressure builds up around the head should the individual keep it outside their head, or allow it to go into the skull? [this is where the pressure intensifies, but feels as though the intensification is intended to move into the skull.]Looks like a simple question. But it is actually an involved set of answers full of "if's and but's".

When pressure builds up inside your head it is just influence being overproduced and/or released.

First we have to examine the reason why it does that. While I won't go over the same rehashed material...the purpose is basically to intensify influence to a level where it has a)exterior [paranormal] effects and b) produces [ESP] information from the environment.

Intensification (the process) has several basic components to it. It is an after effect of "activation" techniques.

The basic components that SHOULD develop (but not necessarily will develop) are the formation of various intermediary structures that allows the intensified influence to vent from inside the body.

The intensification is handled by an "influence center". An influence center is usually (but not always) roughly a spherical shape. It is one of several anchor point that are affixed to the interior of the body. This keeps the psychic anchors attached to the biological flesh regardless of whether it is moving at 5 mph or 5000 mph. Regardless of whether it is traversing liquid water in a scuba dive or on mars in a carbon dioxide atmosphere.

The natural structures are affixed to the interior of the body. Their default state is to emit _very low_ intensity influence into the biological tissues and liquids found inside of the body. The intensity is usually low enough that this rarely permeates to the exterior of the body. People call it an "aura" in the mystics circles when they notice it venting from the body.

The collective system of influence centers (anchors) is part of the "Interconnect". There are other parts of the interconnect that exist but it is far off topic.

These "influence centers" release gradual doses and infuse biological tissue with a predetermined influence pattern. It is designed to infuse the body with appropriate doses and specific ranges of patterns that are healthy and functional with human tissue designs. This is refereed to as "living patterns" and "influence patterns". They are usually covering only a very slim spectrum of the full range of influence patterns.*[1]

Because of the _functional_ nature the influence patterns infused into the body are non-static. Unlike rocks and other inanimate object, the "influence patterns" infused in living tissue are dynamically changing. The neurological tissue [for instance] that is infused provides new patterns within this slim spectral range. These patterns can be equated to "conscious thought processes".

The biological mind and its tissue generate an array of changes moment to moment. This is what psychics sense when they "scan" another present individual.*[2]

Fore
08-09-2012, 04:43 PM
A side effect of tissue that is gradually laced with [patterned] low intensity influence is that it acts like an antenna. When changes occur within that tissue, that specifically patterned influence reflects the changes.

This is a basic "influence based" transceiver. ^Small Event Flag

In other words, the status change in your tissue, whether it be a muscle or a clogged artery. The changes within the tissue are reflected as changes within the infused influence.

This information is collected by the various anchor points throughout the body and transforms them into another type of communication that is not neural activity.

The Higher mind components of an individual consciousness senses these changes and collects the information permanently. This is primarily because the anchor points throughout the body are designed to transmit the changes directly through the interconnect and up into the higher consciousness portions of the individual.

Fore
08-09-2012, 08:41 PM
Intensification causes these anchor points throughout the body to behave differently.

The programming within the anchor points are changed to over-produce influence releases. As a result the infused tissue begin to receive an excessive charge of influence and some of it begins to permeate beyond the boundaries of the living tissue that is being infused.

This is the beginning of an IFM.

IFM = Internal Field [Manipulation]

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When this intensity increases, the excess venting of influence becomes progressively stronger. As this happens, new latent programing in the structures becomes more active and begin to adapt to the situation.

When an individuals body exudes a sufficient oversupply of this influence into the immediate surrounding of their body, their "Higher Mind" begins to pick up excessive signals from beyond the confines of their body.

This is the start of the T-IFM.

T-IFM = Transitional Internal Field [Manipulation]

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The signals being picked up by the excessive outflow of infused influence begins to describe area just beyond the outside of the body.

Note: Event occurred*[4]

The excess output leaks from the inner confines of the body and begins to surround the exterior of the body as a haze. As this happens, the person begins to experience ESP events as their interconnect begins to collect data from beyond the confines of the body.

Fore
08-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Note: Event occurred*[4]

I was writing this post when I took a break and went to the bathroom. Coming back from the bathroom I noticed a closing presence somewhere high above my head. Felt the connection through "psychic means" as if I were being observed.

As that happened, I thought I had written something sensitive I also wondered if people would better understand some of the strange stuff I mentioned in my Encounters thread if I broke it down and spelled out.

About three minutes later when I back to the computer, I noticed it was frozen. There wasn't any error on screen and this usually does not happen. I guess the approaching entity did not appreciate what I wanted to write. (heh)

I took a break and decided to wait until it left. It didn't take long, about 30 minutes and it moved away somewhere high in the sky. I had hopes that the forum would auto-save the content. After the observation stopped, I resumed the explanation just now.

Fore
08-09-2012, 09:01 PM
The signals being picked up by the excessive outflow of infused influence begins to describe area just beyond the outside of the body.

Note: Event occurred*[4]

The excess output leaks from the inner confines of the body and begins to surround the exterior of the body as a haze. As this happens, the person begins to experience ESP events as their interconnect begins to collect data from beyond the confines of the body.

Lets drill deep into the topic, exactly what happens when the field begins to emerge from the inner confines of the body? Where does it come out. etc.

First, it should be said that a perfectly normal person, even at a default level of influence...they have ducts all throughout their body.

These ducts are naturally present in all human beings. These ducts are not biological but exist at specific points throughout the body at an influence level. The ducts allow for various decomposition of influence to exit the body and flow out of it.

Influence sometimes "decomposes" into other foreign types which can be detrimental to the human body and other microscopic processes in biological tissue. The foreign or decomposition of influence is expelled and removed from the body through these invisible ducts.

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When a normal person becomes a psychic by "over production of internal influence", it begins to leave the interior of the body "in excess"; the ducts themselves become more robust in a sense.

The process is that any foreign influence is expelled. That causes the individual some pain in specific regions where the influence ducts are located. Blood, bodily liquids, tissues and other structures become over infused with patterned influence.

As a result a series of "peculiar" phenomena begins to occur.

The bodily structures and liquids are so intensely infused that they respond to the anchors state changes.

Lets breaks this down carefully so you understand every single point that comes to mind.

Fore
08-09-2012, 09:21 PM
First we need to talk about dense influence and what it actually is (as best as I have been taught and understand the topic).*[5]

http://i48.tinypic.com/xc3lz7.jpg

Imagine that the above picture represents "physical space". The blue dots are standard matter at an atomic scale. Each of these dots are represented by cyclical influence within "influence space". Each dot has tons of different characteristics represented there for each dot.

A psychic exerts control over any physical mass [or physical process] via its "double/copy" in "Influence Space". With the psychics excess influence leaking from the interior of his body, he exerts abnormal control over the "dots" in "influence space".

The effects of this indirect control manifests as dots that are behaving abnormally. These are represented by the hour glasses in the picture.

The greater number of spots of control, the more noticeable the paranormal abnormality.

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If a psychic wants to levitate or shake a table [Macro-PK], he has to commandeer the influence double that represents the material of the table in physical space. Once he exerts sufficient control, the table can experience paranormal effects. It will shake, move, float or whatever based on that individuals control.

If a psychic controls too little of any specific object, the object will have very small or no noticeable effects of being influenced.

"Influence Infusion" is just one method to control foreign objects that are not of the body.

pontificator
08-10-2012, 01:08 PM
@Fore, big thumbs up, the last two posts were so active that I was hearing certain tones that I've not heard in a long time. In fact one was so concerned that it stuck around for a fair bit of time [plus the field has been doing all sorts of interesting things, I took it as an opportunity to memorize and test bolting onto whatever it was that popped in. That part works quite well, and seems to require a little less work to get going these days.]

"When this intensity increases, the excess venting of influence becomes progressively stronger. As this happens, new latent programing in the structures becomes more active and begin to adapt to the situation." Now, for clarification, I take it that the programming to handle this situation, and therefore activate a new set of abilities, is inherent to the original programming of the structure? Would this, in a sense, mean that there is a rather large set of inbuilt systems and structures that are natural to the human form?

A99
08-10-2012, 05:01 PM
Is engaging in regular physical exercise important in the development of ones ability to generate "Influence Infusion"?

Fore
08-10-2012, 09:00 PM
Is engaging in regular physical exercise important in the development of ones ability to generate "Influence Infusion"?Depends on the context of the question.

The short answer: The infusion process is dependent on "Influence centers" which inject tissue with patterned "influence". The biological after effects can strain an individuals chemistry and granular functionality at a biological level.

The simple answer: Some people might become more prone to heart attacks and various ailments if the internal influence exchanges aren't balanced out. So if exercise makes that tissue more resilient or puts the biological tissue at a healthier than an average disposition then it can't hurt at the very least.

The complex and detailed answer: Though to be honest _some_ side effects would occur regardless of how healthy someone is biologically. I was told that Intracellular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/intracellular) and intercellular (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/intercellular) processes can malfunction due to abnormal influence patterns propagating through the body for prolonged periods of time at high intensities. [chemical bonding irregularities and errors/probabilistic changes/biological tissue tearing at a microscopic level do to abnormal influence propagation/physics anomalies throughout the body etc...]

It all relates to the yet to be fully introduced (but well worn topic) of influence "Flux Points". An ET term written and closely paraphrased in English.

The gist is that high level of influence flux causes small errors in a psychics body.

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The result may be:
Diseases (distorted processes or augmentation/deterioration of processes),

Cancer, breakdown of inter/intra cellular processes at different regions in the body...usually due to normal physics breaking down at high concentration "Flux Points".

Electrical/Static discharges within the body. (large abnormalities in the ~bio-electric field~)

Tissue damage.

etc

Fore
08-10-2012, 09:50 PM
To understand the significance of Influence "Flux Points" is not really all that hard.

Imagine the floor beneath you feet having trillions of synchronized points across the length x width and depth of it.

Now when you over produce influence from your "influence centers"...there are small abnormalities present throughout your influence field. It is because you have imperfect control. Technically, your influence centers have imperfect control over the influence that you over produce as it leaves the confines of your body.

Well when you send that excess "Influence" into the floor and it saturates the floor boards beneath your feet....your influence is able to control, maybe, a billion points across totality of the floor. 1 billion out of 1 trillion points across the floor is not alot.

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Only 1 in 1000 [Influence Flux Points] in the floor boards are under the direct control of your psychic body.

Out of of those 1 billion Influence Flux Points that you do exert direct control over as a psychic, more than half are constantly...and momentarily....fading into and out of absolute control.

This frothing and unsteady control is what many psychic people sense when they exert themselves psychically. The unsteadiness is [as the ET taught me] common and natural in immature psychic formations. Natural formations they explained are not capable of perfect control.

The ET therefore augment artificial programming into influence centers and structures to create a hybrid control features. Artificial enhancements to psychic hardware like these can assist or improve the persons natural ability.

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P.S. I realized a few weeks ago by going over this material to introduce it to your guys/gals, that the environmental tremors (like a minor vibration in a kitchen table/seat or bed) coincided with my activations or large leaks of influence. It baffled me for a bit until I noticed when I increasing the outflow of influence that the shaking increased.

Many years ago, when I was more active I noticed that tremors in the house would increase and undulate with different modes that I switched through as I used my psychic abilities at high output.

It is only now that I realize that the "Flux Points" Lessons I was taught almost 15 years ago on an unrelated conversation had to do with this. The conversations were of various different topics, so I never made the connection between the two.

The reason the room experiences a vibrating tremor is because of the inconsistent "influence flux" between many different points across the room or house. The physical objects affected by my influence are in a unsteady state of "influence flux" and as I have unsteady control the states change at random between different points.

Leading to physical "vibrations" and tremors in the floor and walls, bed, etc.

It is just a form of Macro-PK without any specific conscious intent.

Fore
08-10-2012, 09:56 PM
@ Pontif

In reference to the above two posts I just made, the more "Flux points" you exert control over, the denser the influence "feels" to you.

Denser influence control via your psychic structures leads to higher resolution ESP. Your ability to resolve the state of an object or process in the environment increases significantly if you can sense the state of more points in a confined region. Your biological tissue and it's cognitive feedback routines will do the rest of building a coherent picture.

Everything from a target properties, size, shape and other various characteristics.

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By the way, do you like the way I write if I don't water it down? Is it still intelligible to you?

pontificator
08-11-2012, 02:09 AM
@Fore, perfectly fine for me, I find that when its not watered down it has all the pertenant points I need. Plus, if there is anything needing clarification, or something a reader would need clarified, then I'll post a quick question on the given )subject. I find that if I ask the right questions people start putting two and two together, an then tell me their findings ;)

Fore
08-11-2012, 03:10 AM
@Fore, perfectly fine for me, I find that when its not watered down it has all the pertenant points I need. Plus, if there is anything needing clarification, or something a reader would need clarified, then I'll post a quick question on the given )subject. Thanks for your hard work.


I find that if I ask the right questions people start putting two and two together, an then tell me their findings ;) That line got me curious as to what you are referring to? ;)

I'd like to know what Montalk thinks about these many topics as well.

I'd prefer to lay out as much information as possible and then hope that people don't have to over-analyze what I wrote. My hope is that even if they don't know what I am talking about, eventually something will click and they will make their own connections and intuitively or intellectually understand what I was referring to.

I have been feeling lately that my attempts to oversimplify the knowledge that was passed on to me has been limiting the people whom want to know more of the nitty gritty. The overview style is great for introductions to the material (or so I hoped it would be) but it seems to lack too many in-depth points and hundreds (if not thousands) of references the ET used with me.

I want the people whom read it on the screen to absorb the intricate knowledge or at the very least the numerous concepts that made me capable of performing in the experiments they conducted on me. If nothing else, it should exemplify how many different ways the current material in the world is seemingly lacking or poorly conceived.

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If they ever get to the point where they can effectively determine what is a lie vs what is real, that is "gaining ground" against ET disinformation. If they can spot the various traits and design implementations that ETs use on people, and which people often show openly; and therefore know what is real source vs fabrication and really understand why the ETs do things the way they do, then that puts them at an advantage.

If people can learn of the hundreds of ways they can be fooled and why someone would want to fool them, then at least it is a step up.

But most of all, I want people to be able to wear my perspective like a pair of glasses and see the world as I did/do and be able to take them off when they are done. Without having to go through any of it in their personal lives. I honestly would love nothing better than people to have the insight without the control that comes with it.

To be able to penetrate the confusion and figure it out all on their own means and methods. Even if my perspective is someday no longer useful or necessary.

More than anything, it would make me very happy to give any lying ET a very bad day on the job. If their standardized system became known and became public knowledge....that would leave on hell of a dent. If you got to see things from my point of view and perspective, for just a day, it would dawn on people just how fooled they really are.

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Learning how to use psychics abilities are just one avenue of verifying that the topics discussed are not false or contrived.

I want to collect evidence from various reports across many sources that supports what was shared with me. I don't really know where to even start. I also know that doing so will put the folks behind the curtain in a very foul mood if I try to do that.

When I have enough evidence collected then it should make it easier for people to understand that I have never fabricated my accounts and that even though they are unfamiliar with many topics I present...in reality they aren't unfamiliar to them. It is just that they have always seen it but never understood it.

Everyone knows of phasing technology. They just don't know what it is. When properly introduced to the subject the anomalies should no longer seem to be anomalies. But predictable and coherent phenomena with distinct implementations.
The same for paranormal or psychic phenomena. People probably recognize the effects I described, they just haven't been introduced to it in the way that I was introduced to it. The same for ET behaviors and procedures that are common place in many regions.

What I need is to collect evidence. That will make the ET's nervous for sure.

...BUT...

If I start writing comments on many popular ET cases that are widely known, the mystery behind the phenomena will seem like less of a mystery. The narrative behind mystery cases would probably add context that isn't readily present in standard human beings with standard prior knowledge. I am sure the ET would not like that to happen.

LOL, I might start a youtube channel and start plucking out popular ET cases and write commentary as the cases progress.

In less than an hour I am sure it would become apparent just how many groups deploy disinformation in contact cases. Man, there will be some whom will think I am from the devil himself (don't they always?). Full of lies or some such non-sense.

Anyway, it's been a while since I have written a rant. heh

A99
08-11-2012, 03:56 AM
What a brilliant response Fore and at least from what I know, I concur with your comments on this aspect of this topic. In addition to this, your semantics seem to penetrate to the very core of those issues involved in these processes and sort of take on a life on their own with much coherency! Thanks! :)


Depends on the context of the question.

The short answer: The infusion process is dependent on "Influence centers" which inject tissue with patterned "influence". The biological after effects can strain an individuals chemistry and granular functionality at a biological level.

The simple answer: Some people might become more prone to heart attacks and various ailments if the internal influence exchanges aren't balanced out. So if exercise makes that tissue more resilient or puts the biological tissue at a healthier than an average disposition then it can't hurt at the very least.

The complex and detailed answer: Though to be honest _some_ side effects would occur regardless of how healthy someone is biologically. I was told that Intracellular (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/intracellular) and intercellular (http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/intercellular) processes can malfunction due to abnormal influence patterns propagating through the body for prolonged periods of time at high intensities. [chemical bonding irregularities and errors/probabilistic changes/biological tissue tearing at a microscopic level do to abnormal influence propagation/physics anomalies throughout the body etc...]

It all relates to the yet to be fully introduced (but well worn topic) of influence "Flux Points". An ET term written and closely paraphrased in English.

The gist is that high level of influence flux causes small errors in a psychics body.

-----------------------------------

The result may be:
Diseases (distorted processes or augmentation/deterioration of processes),

Cancer, breakdown of inter/intra cellular processes at different regions in the body...usually due to normal physics breaking down at high concentration "Flux Points".

Electrical/Static discharges within the body. (large abnormalities in the ~bio-electric field~)

Tissue damage.

etc

A99
08-11-2012, 04:08 AM
Wow! I hate using that word but in this case it's very fitting because I'm can really resonate with the information you are sharing below here... not all of it but most of it. thanks for your further extrapolations on "Flux Points".



To understand the significance of Influence "Flux Points" is not really all that hard.

Imagine the floor beneath you feet having trillions of synchronized points across the length x width and depth of it.

Now when you over produce influence from your "influence centers"...there are small abnormalities present throughout your influence field. It is because you have imperfect control. Technically, your influence centers have imperfect control over the influence that you over produce as it leaves the confines of your body.

Well when you send that excess "Influence" into the floor and it saturates the floor boards beneath your feet....your influence is able to control, maybe, a billion points across totality of the floor. 1 billion out of 1 trillion points across the floor is not alot.

-----------------

Only 1 in 1000 [Influence Flux Points] in the floor boards are under the direct control of your psychic body.

Out of of those 1 billion Influence Flux Points that you do exert direct control over as a psychic, more than half are constantly...and momentarily....fading into and out of absolute control.

This frothing and unsteady control is what many psychic people sense when they exert themselves psychically. The unsteadiness is [as the ET taught me] common and natural in immature psychic formations. Natural formations they explained are not capable of perfect control.

The ET therefore augment artificial programming into influence centers and structures to create a hybrid control features. Artificial enhancements to psychic hardware like these can assist or improve the persons natural ability.

-------------------------------

P.S. I realized a few weeks ago by going over this material to introduce it to your guys/gals, that the environmental tremors (like a minor vibration in a kitchen table/seat or bed) coincided with my activations or large leaks of influence. It baffled me for a bit until I noticed when I increasing the outflow of influence that the shaking increased.

Many years ago, when I was more active I noticed that tremors in the house would increase and undulate with different modes that I switched through as I used my psychic abilities at high output.

It is only now that I realize that the "Flux Points" Lessons I was taught almost 15 years ago on an unrelated conversation had to do with this. The conversations were of various different topics, so I never made the connection between the two.

The reason the room experiences a vibrating tremor is because of the inconsistent "influence flux" between many different points across the room or house. The physical objects affected by my influence are in a unsteady state of "influence flux" and as I have unsteady control the states change at random between different points.

Leading to physical "vibrations" and tremors in the floor and walls, bed, etc.

It is just a form of Macro-PK without any specific conscious intent.

A99
08-11-2012, 04:49 AM
Don't worry Fore. No one said it was going to be easy for you right?... plus you are carrying an even heavier burden of sharing information that you've been told not to share or whatever.... So in this sense I applaud your courage in doing what you think is right and that's what it all comes down to. In my book, you have passed all of the tests though not without a few snags here and there but this only shows that your 'human-ness' has not been stolen by those whom you were/are in contact with. And without going into this more, just saying that this is important. Because you have been exercising your own free will on these matters, it shows to me that your spirit is still intact -- and that's important too; moreso than anything else.


Thanks for your hard work.

That line got me curious as to what you are referring to? ;)

I'd like to know what Montalk thinks about these many topics as well.

I'd prefer to lay out as much information as possible and then hope that people don't have to over-analyze what I wrote. My hope is that even if they don't know what I am talking about, eventually something will click and they will make their own connections and intuitively or intellectually understand what I was referring to.

I have been feeling lately that my attempts to oversimplify the knowledge that was passed on to me has been limiting the people whom want to know more of the nitty gritty. The overview style is great for introductions to the material (or so I hoped it would be) but it seems to lack too many in-depth points and hundreds (if not thousands) of references the ET used with me.

I want the people whom read it on the screen to absorb the intricate knowledge or at the very least the numerous concepts that made me capable of performing in the experiments they conducted on me. If nothing else, it should exemplify how many different ways the current material in the world is seemingly lacking or poorly conceived.

--------------------------

If they ever get to the point where they can effectively determine what is a lie vs what is real, that is "gaining ground" against ET disinformation. If they can spot the various traits and design implementations that ETs use on people, and which people often show openly; and therefore know what is real source vs fabrication and really understand why the ETs do things the way they do, then that puts them at an advantage.

If people can learn of the hundreds of ways they can be fooled and why someone would want to fool them, then at least it is a step up.

But most of all, I want people to be able to wear my perspective like a pair of glasses and see the world as I did/do and be able to take them off when they are done. Without having to go through any of it in their personal lives. I honestly would love nothing better than people to have the insight without the control that comes with it.

To be able to penetrate the confusion and figure it out all on their own means and methods. Even if my perspective is someday no longer useful or necessary.

More than anything, it would make me very happy to give any lying ET a very bad day on the job. If their standardized system became known and became public knowledge....that would leave on hell of a dent. If you got to see things from my point of view and perspective, for just a day, it would dawn on people just how fooled they really are.

---------------------------
Learning how to use psychics abilities are just one avenue of verifying that the topics discussed are not false or contrived.

I want to collect evidence from various reports across many sources that supports what was shared with me. I don't really know where to even start. I also know that doing so will put the folks behind the curtain in a very foul mood if I try to do that.

When I have enough evidence collected then it should make it easier for people to understand that I have never fabricated my accounts and that even though they are unfamiliar with many topics I present...in reality they aren't unfamiliar to them. It is just that they have always seen it but never understood it.

Everyone knows of phasing technology. They just don't know what it is. When properly introduced to the subject the anomalies should no longer seem to be anomalies. But predictable and coherent phenomena with distinct implementations.
The same for paranormal or psychic phenomena. People probably recognize the effects I described, they just haven't been introduced to it in the way that I was introduced to it. The same for ET behaviors and procedures that are common place in many regions.

What I need is to collect evidence. That will make the ET's nervous for sure.

...BUT...

If I start writing comments on many popular ET cases that are widely known, the mystery behind the phenomena will seem like less of a mystery. The narrative behind mystery cases would probably add context that isn't readily present in standard human beings with standard prior knowledge. I am sure the ET would not like that to happen.

LOL, I might start a youtube channel and start plucking out popular ET cases and write commentary as the cases progress.

In less than an hour I am sure it would become apparent just how many groups deploy disinformation in contact cases. Man, there will be some whom will think I am from the devil himself (don't they always?). Full of lies or some such non-sense.

Anyway, it's been a while since I have written a rant. heh

pontificator
08-11-2012, 01:07 PM
Thanks for your hard work.

That line got me curious as to what you are referring to? ;)


You operate slightly out of synch with the time flow, if I ask the correct question at the right time you will formulate a good answer before the question has been asked. In addition, when the question has been asked, and you are periphery aware before it has been asked, it will put you on to a path of thinking about a particular topic deeply. This introspection will usually lead to a conclusion that has not been formulated before. In this case you are now more aware of how your influence output affects your surrounding environment [house/bed rattling], and as such have been able to formulate a more coherent and comprehensive answer.

Think of me as an enabler ;) I have this tendency to talk with people, and suddenly they get back on track, or realise something. It's an old trait that I've only recently begun to understand a bit better, but I naturally relate a question or answer before I have become aware as to why it was placed at a particular time, so I usually don't worry about it, as it just happens without me being aware I'm doing it.

Fore
08-11-2012, 04:59 PM
@Fore, now here's a good question to ask: if an individual were constructing an overlay system from scratch, and under ideal circumstances, what would you idealistically say was the best system? This will probably include some things you wish you'd done :) I'll answer this next. I am juggling topics in my head at the moment and wondering which is the best path to introduce critical components and understandings.


On the ongoing war, my thought is that there is more to this place than they are willing to say, as in that we are a final card to play. In theory if they amass here then they can say that we will be annihilated along with them, providing a fair bit of impetus to the locals. Alternatively is is a card of another kind, and they will appear to invade here as a last resort, meaning the locals embrace the next group that takes out "the others"and effectively "liberates" the earth [invasion by another means, heralded by much clapping and cheering.]

I am not sure how many will be left to be clapping and cheering when all is said and done....

The ET I knew refer to it as "a dividing line in history". As the Grey (in particular) so callously pointed out, there are living people walking around, talking, being active and having babies in this day and age whom are corpses on the other side of that dividing line "in history".

Lest you think the Grey members were the only ones whom mentioned that, there were many others whom basically echoed the same.

Not sure if there will be any clapping and cheering to be honest. The population will plummet in stages if their lessons on the future and the depicted scenarios are correct.

I just noticed a thread started by one of the members. In that thread, there is a link to Jacobs [the long time Abductee researcher] general findings on what he concluded. I agree with Jacob and it is remarkable he is allowed to conduct his research.

The link: http://aliensandchildren.org/InterviewwithProf.htm

The Advisor used to say that what is going on right now "in history" is so well known behind closed doors. That when the leaders on Earth first found out about it 90 something years ago, they began making various plans to ensure the continuity of human kind. (a tiny fraction)

The plans that have been made are only known to the ET factions and the Human Groups that try their darn best to save as much as they can. No one in the public sector really knows (well actually they do) what is going on behind the scenes. If they knew they probably wouldn't bother to have any children.

People will survive (or so I have always been told), but the odds of surviving the first year are probably 60%. Past ten years and you luck is probably better at the lotto than it is for surviving. Human Groups keeping silent is probably only for the best. If there is nothing they can do to change the outcome in any meaningful way then it is probably best to simply say nothing at all.

I think that is why the Human Groups and the governmental bodies have long denied the ET exist. Saying so might shorten the time that the bulk humanity has left. Even now it seems the governments are probably being co-opted into controlling positions for the first duration of the coming disasters. No doubt the ET will quickly depose of the leaders and the governments by making them look bad in front of the populace for keeping the secrets. I wonder if the Human Groups will ever get around to stating the truth of the matter. Well...not like it matters.

I chuckle a little bit when Contactees and Abductees come back and claim that the change coming in "the Dividing line in history" is a great thing "for everyone". Poor folk/saps don't really know how much like a comedian they really sound. I guess idealistic pacification is preferable to the truth in their case.

Is that a version of ET mercy or just propaganda for low level stooges?

Anyway, it'll be a shame when they [the stooges] start to realize how duped they were into thinking this was "all about them". I loved that line the ET always feed them about the whole "change your vibrations" will "change your timeline". I chuckle inwardly and ache at their naive behavior. [plenty of face palms as well] They have no idea what those words are based on and they have nothing to do with what they have been told.

I wish the human condition was a bit more resilient or the ET were less proficient at lying and everything else they do to compromise someones mind and critical thinking skills.

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Damn, I need to stop ranting and get back to writing something useful.

Fore
08-11-2012, 05:39 PM
You operate slightly out of synch with the time flow, if I ask the correct question at the right time you will formulate a good answer before the question has been asked. In addition, when the question has been asked, and you are periphery aware before it has been asked, it will put you on to a path of thinking about a particular topic deeply. I think I have mentioned this several times before, but your level of insight is rather disturbing.

Your "good\educated guesses" are disturbingly accurate. If you get any more insightful you will definitely make some non-human people very nervous. If only there were more like you....that would make my efforts worthwhile.

If I had to deal with people with that kind of insight like what you have displayed...especially on a regular basis...that would be an interesting game of dodge ball. If you could combine that and simultaneously actively perform mind reading abilities on other people...that would make you a rather problematic individual to avoid.

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I personally would enjoy it if you could read others minds on the forum at will. Then your insight into what is going on around you would increase immensely. If you combine Precognitive abilities mixed with mind reading and remote observation. That would make you more like me.

You would also have alot of "fun" passively listening to the patterned influence that people give off their bodies. With that kind of "insight" you can do things you probably haven't thought up yet.

Just keep in mind my abilities are dormant for the most part.


This introspection will usually lead to a conclusion that has not been formulated before. In this case you are now more aware of how your influence output affects your surrounding environment [house/bed rattling], and as such have been able to formulate a more coherent and comprehensive answer. ;)


Think of me as an enabler ;) I have this tendency to talk with people, and suddenly they get back on track, or realise something. It's an old trait that I've only recently begun to understand a bit better, but I naturally relate a question or answer before I have become aware as to why it was placed at a particular time, so I usually don't worry about it, as it just happens without me being aware I'm doing it.

Fore
08-11-2012, 06:24 PM
http://i47.tinypic.com/2l91pj4.jpg
Overview of Influence "Flux Points" and Neurological "mapping" procedures via Head area Influence Centers.

http://i49.tinypic.com/bhhy8.jpg
Interconnect, Influence "Flux Points" and the "ESP" spontaneous injection effect.
(Reference: Biological Hardware Level)

http://i46.tinypic.com/ouwmer.jpg
Second View

http://i50.tinypic.com/11ka3ab.jpg
IFM and T-IFM

Fore
08-12-2012, 05:58 PM
Something new from Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the worldwide Disclosure Movement and the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n0FO_HtF5s&feature=player_embedded


Anyone know what the symbol on his chest means? I can't quite make out the writing beneath the triangle.

(The triangular symbol on his chest caught my attention more than his speech. Hopefully it was a one time shirt he was wearing.)

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I think it says CSETI for the first line... just checked, same: http://www.cseti.org/

<Total Facepalm!>
I always thought Dr. Greer was always toeing the line when it comes to ET spiel and various standard narratives. Talking like someone whom has been either trained/groomed or heavily influenced from a specialist ET group.

http://i50.tinypic.com/9uonr5.png

I looked at his website and noticed that triangular symbol at the top left. Scrolled down and saw that he called the documentary "Sirius" and shows twin suns on one of his posters.

Sirius as in The "Sirius B" war...that several ET factions are allegedly embroiled in.

I also noticed the standard references to "the light" narrative, "the arrival" narrative, the "they come in peace" narrative, the "governments of the world are evil" narrative etc.
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<Laughs> Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, even wears the feathers like a duck. This just strongly confirms "it's a duck".

Never would have thought it, that CSETI was one of their fronts. Damn, I guess these folks have a long reach. I can only imagine how many good human assets they have working under their umbrella and the folks don't even know it.

Never let it be said they didn't hang out the overt signs for everyone to see. Then again, most probably wouldn't know what the references mean...

Fore
08-12-2012, 06:13 PM
I wonder if the high officials in office frown and roll their eyes when Dr. Greer comes to "debrief" them on the issue of disclosure?

If they know what is behind him, it would be an ironic situation to entertain his presence. Like an unwitting publicist going through the motions in front of the public eye.

Is it really any wonder why he has gotten this far with the "Disclosure Project"? Heh, if they pull their support "for him", he would crumble in a fort night as a publicist/spokes person.

Fore
08-13-2012, 05:56 PM
Saying that they are '"bored spirituals" is a very subjective observation Fore because 'sensitives' throughout the ages witness and experience those low level human and/or non-human intelligence's who do things to induce fear to feed off of that energy-- those ones are energy vampires. They are not there just because they are bored. lol. This does not include those human disincarnates from higher levels who visit their loved ones for various reasons or those protective and guardian spirituals who are around us all the time. I have never encountered an experiencer, including myself, who has sensed that a spiritual is showing up at any given time just because it is bored.


But this is not to say that your observations are incorrect on that one and if that is what you were sensing at the time when they were showing up then who am I to negate that? But to imply that all of them were showing up for that reason is a rather sweeping statement that also implies that that is the only reason why they show up at all in the first place.I didn't imply that is why they all do it, that would have been a false statement if I had depicted it that way.

Without the aid of sleep or something recreational they [the ghosts] can do with their excess of time, I would be bored also. But beyond that, I did witness behaviors and statements that they made that put some of the behaviors I saw squarely in the ballpark of boredom. Some of the ghosts put their free time towards being helpful. Others (the majority) put their free time towards rather destructive ends simply for enjoyment.

The necessity of collecting influence was not a big issue for _most_ of the ghosts I encountered. I was releasing it in copious quantities so they took advantage of the situation. I never gave any entities (except one or two in a series of experiments) any influence. They just took it of their own motivation. They were attracted by it. Some of the more conscious ones told me that I they were attracted to my ~"intense"~ presence. Others stated they could "sense it from far off" and came looking for the source of the emanations in the distance. A few described what I was giving off as a form of diffused brightness and "a sensation that was felt from a distance".

Many different kinds of spirituals acted differently from each other and each had their own motives. Some of them chose to use that "psychic energy" [Influence] for their own purposes. Some were helpful and gave me insight into their conditions. Others were only there for the sake of talking to someone else. Others were there to ask if I could help them contact someone they used to know.

If you put it in terms of a Bar:
All of them (well almost all*) came for the free beer floating in the air. They just had to be present and they could collect it and absorb it into themselves. Some of them took advantage while drinking the beer to talk, others to play games on me and the family, others took it upon themselves to vent their preexisting rancor, others to catch some attention, others to show genuine affection and gave advice about what was happening around me unseen.

Some of the more malevolent ghosts (called phantoms) belonged to a subgroup of Demons whom always stayed close by...usually in the corner of all of the activity. The phantoms were rarely interested in any meaningful conversations. They were there to extract (as you point out) influence through the most devastating means possible. Like lackeys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lackey) whom had been taught supernatural tricks by their betters (the Demons) they were there for the thrill of extracting influence through painful and unnecessary exercises in destructive behavior.

The Demons themselves were there to simply (attempt) to Coerce or Co-opt me into some bigger plan they had for me. They weren't there to drink the beer. They had the phantoms ransack the store house regularly for the beer. They were there to see if they could convince me and tempt me into behaving like them. I never stopped pushing them away. On occasion they would boast about their talents and achievement and I would often exploit them for their knowledge on what they do and how they do it. We did not respect one another nor did I ever seek to form any kind of bond.

I mind read their inner thoughts to figure out in advance what they were going to do next. Most of the demons I encountered were not able to resist my ability to read their minds and sift through the rancid content they had inside of them.

When the ET's were ready for another experiment, they would proverbially interrupt the "beer fest" and everyone in the bar would part ways. Most of the Ghosts were terrified stiff of the ET (especially the Grey). The Phantoms would usually reside close by uttering some non-sense. The Demons would remain in the background in their corner and watch, sometimes they would interrupt the Grey or the Advisor in the experiments. If they were too disruptive the Grey males would do something unknown which would quiet them down and put them at arms length.

About half of the Demons were afraid and often put some distance between them and the ET Grey Males. The other half would simply sit in the sidelines and watch. Most of the Demons were not afraid of the Advisor and would pester when we would talk. Sometimes the Advisor would ignore them and their backtalk.

Most of the Phantoms that came with the Demons would state that the Advisor was a liar of epic proportions. Often the Demons would say pretty much the same except they would tell me that they "wanted me". (creepy now that I think about it) The Demons offered me lots of stupid things if I would put my skills to their use. Often they were very adversarial with the Advisor and stated that I should "work for them" rather than the Advisor.

On rare occasion some (surprisingly intelligent) Demon would come around and tempt me to "work for them". The other Demons were surprisingly afraid of the apparently higher ranked Demon. It was from these very intelligent kinds that I more or less figured out that my abilities themselves were useful in some way and there was _a hope_ to "possess it". I mind read the intelligent ones when they came around and the glimpses were disturbing. I used the collection skills the ET taught me on them. Over time, I gathered enough information by reading it off their minds that I learned how they organize and work. Many specifics that the Demons wouldn't want laying around. Some of them resisted but the number of ways I could do it was seemingly something they couldn't properly compensate for regardless of how skilled or old they were.

I also learned that some Demons were on par with me in terms of exercising psychic control and methods. Though seemingly even the stronger Demons have a limited supply of influence. While I might not be as crafty or as old as some of them, they unlike me, had a limited supply to exert. Even if they could terrorize the other ghosts and people living in the house for days on end, they were always expending much more than they took in. They would have to go elsewhere after only a few days of expending influence to refresh their supply. (probably other victims they had lined up somewhere).

I also learned that they did rounds on several people night and day, to collect influence in sufficient quantity that they could continue their activity unseen from the rest of the world. They employed Phantoms and taught them lessons to capture more influence and create an entire pipeline that would eventually lead back to them. The phantoms would give up their collection and offer it up to the Demon they were associated with. etc.

Over time it became evident that the reason why there was some Tug of War and the incessant temptation coming from them was because I was an "abnormal occurrence". The Demons collectively wanted someone with ET like skills and knowledge whom could go to work for them.

In return [they tempted me] and said they would stop interfering in my life and would instead assist me in reaching every achievement I wanted. They basically said if I resisted they would keep "at it" in making my life a living hell (they did). If I worked for them, then they would do the opposite and offer me everything I had always wanted. (BS!) I had to give myself to them though. I never took their offer and never will. The Advisor as a result taught me more about the spiritual entities on Earth and how they work.

Which is one of the reason why the Demons and the Advisor have always been at odds with one another. (as silly as that might sound) Most of them couldn't touch her or coerce her.

The whole show was about the ET and their activity. Everyone else [ghosts, etc] was just a spectator or a hobo in the corner (the Demons and their Phantom lackeys).

Fore
08-13-2012, 05:57 PM
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The ET always retained control over the whole situation (and me). Anything that came between them and the next successful attempt at their agenda was dealt with to complete what they had come for. In the end, the only one who lost out the most was just me and the family.

Near the end of the ET Experiments, the Advisor told me she and the others were going to put the project on hold for about 20 years. She said I could go ahead and have children and form a relationship if I wanted to and they would reopen the project and be back when I was 40 years old. She detailed how the next 10 years would likely occur and stated that some Entities would be coming to clear up the mess that I was living in.

She basically said she was sorry for everything everyone put me through. When I asked her why would any of the other Ghosts or Demons, or Phantoms leave when they were all there for something. She simply said that some entities would come and they would clean them out. She said the many entities that have been attracted will leave or be forced to leave even if it is against their will.

She gave more apologies and stated that next year in April (at that time) I was going to move to another location in this Country and stated the last set of instructions to follow through as well as to tell my family what was to happen next. She gave me an overview of what will happen next next in the world over the course of several years. She stated the Grey would continue to monitor me passively for a short while and then leave and disband to another project.

She said she needed to file the final reports on their activities. She said if I wanted her to stay it would mean another 9 year extension to the project. She told me I couldn't handle it and that my health was deteriorating and mostly likely would end with a heart attack due to continuous stress from the activation levels getting larger and larger. She strongly advised me to not go any further as she didn't want to see that happen. She said things would be fixed gradually and that I should move on until they next meet.

She went up "there" somewhere and about a month later after we said our goodbyes she pulled out the influence remotely from inside of me that kept us perpetually connected. It was pretty devastating to feel disconnected and alone. I had a lot of doubts about what to do back then with my life as I had grown up in "that life" with them.

Slowly what she predicted happened.

I came into contact more and more with and learned more of the Higher Order Entities [Angels] and God. They cleaned up the entire mess of a situation over time. They only asked me to change my behaviors and gave me strong advice to have nothing more to do with the ET. Even to prevent contact with the Advisor. They also advised me to turn off my abilities from then onwards. Which is what I have done with increasing degree of success.

So if anyone asks me to turn them on again so I can do some dumb psychic skill, I intend to "tell them off" and say "no thanks!".

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My life has been getting back on track over the last 8 years. Things are progressing to where they probably should have always been. I cannot say anything truly bad about the Higher Order Entities [and God!] and their light touch in terms of advice on what to not do anymore.

They [Higher Order Entities] don't talk to me all that often, they don't try to control me, they gave targeted advice based on what I needed and when there is a spiritual lurker somewhere, I only have to ask and they clear it away. Right now I am learning how to heal family members without the use of my own abilities. I just ask God for it and he obliges.

I am now only casually learning more about the Higher Order Entities and how their phenomena works. But only casually. I am on vacation for the rest of my life.

Fore
08-13-2012, 08:27 PM
I have been thinking after reading the wiki article on "Ectoplasm".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm_%28paranormal%29

You are right, it seems that it doesn't have to necessarily remain a physical substance and the article strongly implies that it can be a merely transient phenomena.

With those expanded parameters for what constitutes an "Ectoplasm" and the further mentions for what you said was created during a psychics use of their abilities...I think I may know what you are talking about. Though, I don't see the transient phenomena I witnessed and produced as an "Ectoplasm". It seems the definition of an ectoplasm does cover it as described in the article.

A while back I wrote about a white-ish smokey substance that forms when I release my influence in large concentrated doses. (mostly for venting it from my body)

Though the influence concentration is _pretty dense_....the intensity creates a white-ish vapor like substance that appears to momentarily appear (to the naked eye) and then disappears as it loses cohesion.

From my point of view, I have always assumed that the Influence "flux points" in these overly dense influence manifestations are so closely packed together that the resultant transient phenomena is a physical anomaly.

It does not fall to the ground as a substance but disappears as it loses its cohesion. Mainly because the properties that the influence structure is composed of lacks the isolation properties that makes an influence phenomena coherent and self sustaining.

Basically, the influence "flux points" lose cohesion very quickly because it is an unstable pattern. (Not consciously designed and programmed for self sustained properties. It makes objects move and shake but it doesn't form a stable mass.

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The ET teach people like me that in "influence space". The influence properties of the environment are programmed to cycle in a continuous loop. In other words, the physical environment and it's double in "influence space" are stable patterns with a propensity to remain perfectly stable.

When you exert alterations to this "double" of the physical environment, its propensity to "stay the same" exerts itself against your guided and influencing control. The way I was taught to defeat this propensity is by isolating a segment of the affected sector and work in a uniform way to inject primary, secondary patterns which act as a primary buffer zone between the affected area and the larger propensity around the affected zone.

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Simplified for English Speakers:

In other words, you encapsulate the target area with a "secondary pattern" which holds back the propensity of the environment to return the affected target area to normal. The "primary pattern" is the end-effect pattern. As tiny Flux Points begins to become errant and eventually fall under your psychic influence [control]....that area become unstable.

When the "Flux points" in that affected area become sufficiently destabilized and saturated with the primary pattern, the third pattern is used to hold the area in a perpetual isolation from the rest of the environment. The secondary (primary buffer zone) is removed and the third pattern remains encapsulating the distorted phenomena.

This results in a physical anomaly that is perpetual. The third patterns are designed to remain stable over a long period of time. While the second is only designed to isolate the area for a fixed period of time. The primary is what defined the paranormal effect.

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So when I vent a very dense burst of influence, the "influence" behind the phenomena appears as a physical distortion to the naked eye, but quickly dissipates as the surrounding influence in the air and ambient environment exerts its propensity to remain the same. It isn't encapsulated with an isolating pattern so it shouldn't remain stable beyond the body.

It would appear as a distortion in spacetime, a paranormal phenomena, and as it quickly degrades due to the tidal forces from ambient influence, the propensity to stay as a paranormal distortion disappears.

One minute you see it, then the next, it is gone.

A99
08-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Fore, that wiki page on ectoplasm is too brief hence why it's not telling the whole story. There's much more to it and I gave you Robin Foy's links from his website in that other thread to view for more detailed information on this topic. But as for your own experiences and the process that you are talking about here, it's very interesting and I will take note of it. Knowing how to articulate those processes is important and very few in the field go into the science behind the phenomena because they simply lack that information. Your sources are providing that information to you and for this reason what you are sharing allows us more insight into the phenomenon itself. Thanks for sharing... fascinating stuff here!

A99
08-13-2012, 11:22 PM
Without the aid of sleep or something recreational they [the ghosts] can do with their excess of time, I would be bored also. But beyond that, I did witness behaviors and statements that they made that put some of the behaviors I saw squarely in the ballpark of boredom. Some of the ghosts put their free time towards being helpful. Others (the majority) put their free time towards rather destructive ends simply for enjoyment.

Human disincarnates sleep Fore. I can't account for the number of times I would try to reach one of my regular contacts at one time or another only to be told that so and so is sleeping now. But I don't know if the earthbound ones sleep or not... but the ones who go to that good place, which is where most of us go after we transit over... they have a sleep schedule... just like they had here at least for the time they are there before they move on to another place.... which is said to be a higher level.



I mind read their inner thoughts to figure out in advance what they were going to do next. Most of the demons I encountered were not able to resist my ability to read their minds and sift through the rancid content they had inside of them.

That's amazing! I've never met anybody who can do that but I have heard of people who can so good to know that you are one of them!
Of course, we already know how those types know everything about us and can dig into our minds and drag out our inner most secrets and long forgotten memories and throw them right back at us by reminding us about them... it's terrifying to say to least when one first encounters these intelligences who do that.... like something out of the exorcist. Ha, ha.... if skeptics only knew about such things.... most I imagine would have nervous breakdowns after encountering stuff like that.

Fore
08-14-2012, 02:30 AM
Human disincarnates sleep Fore. I can't account for the number of times I would try to reach one of my regular contacts at one time or another only to be told that so and so is sleeping now. But I don't know if the earthbound ones sleep or not... Well I mentioned only the Earthbound Ghosts. I did not notice any of them sleeping at any point. I only noticed that some of them intermittently becomes less aware when they lose too much influence. It is as if they blackout or passout. One second they are lucid and responsive and then they slowly drift into unawareness. Sometimes it takes them days to snap out of it.

I know that they seem to lose awareness because I did scan their bodies and noticed that their awareness of me and the surrounding seemed to decrease as if they were in a blackout. (Sometimes some of the phantoms drain the surrounding entities) People seem to assume that ghosts are as lucid as they are, but I never found that to be true except with some.

Some ghosts have brief periods of lucidity while others have prolonged blackouts. Other Spirituals have perpetual lucidity.

Other than that, I didn't notice any sleeping cycle. Some of them [ghosts] were so bored they would wander around until I fell asleep and be standing there when I awoke. I never heard them say they had a nightmare of a dream.

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I heard the Advisor mention needing sleep and told me where she goes to take a snooze is a bit tight and uncomfortable, but she is made of living tissue like me. The Grey males are also made of living tissue but they never seem to sleep as far as I could tell.

I have pissed off demons before and goaded them into expending their energy over several days. When they expend too much influence they get a bit shaky and give off strange patterns on an ESP level. Never seen one blackout though. Usually they recharge over time (months or weeks) and then they are as good as new. Never heard one of them mention needing sleep. They only become reclusive if they are bothered by the environment being changed or you letting some sunlight in and turning on fans. When they get bored, they occasionally go into neighbors houses and start trouble around the block.

(You can sometimes hear the screams and fights in neighbors houses reaching a crescendo when they go in and start bothering them. When they skulk in other peoples properties they usually go into the house at roof level and ease themselves in. (They are not as gravity bound as one would imagine.)


but the ones who go to that good place, which is where most of us go after we transit over... they have a sleep schedule... just like they had here at least for the time they are there before they move on to another place.... which is said to be a higher level. Yeah, I think you refer to the "twilight sleep/rest/recovery" as the Angels call it. (Higher Order Entities)


That's amazing! I've never met anybody who can do that but I have heard of people who can so good to know that you are one of them! The spirituals are composed of roughly the same psychic systems. The Demons are sometimes slightly different though they are compatible.

Whether an entity is incarnate or not is not as important. The dis-incarnate types just lose the living flesh and sometimes a few interconnect centers/anchors when they die. A ghost who has been without influence for a long time can sometimes deform due to losing those centers in their psychic system.

Anyway, mind reading and mind control works on even rancid beings like the Demons. Though their psychopathic points of interest are not very agreeable. I once held one of the Demons in place using my psychic abilities and turned on his influence infusion across his various influence centers. All from where I was standing in front of him because he ticked me off when I was much younger. I tried to control his influence centers and caused him to hemorrhage a sizable quantity of influence. Problem was he was more capable and skilled than me and he had more of a supply than the much younger me could pull out of his decrepit self. I don't recall how long I held him in place, probably only a few hours. I got "tired" of concentrating on holding him there and he paid me back in full for trying to expend his influence. My control over foreign "influence" structures was not very good at the time. I was maybe 12 or 13. Maybe slightly older than that.

It also left a bad sensation covering the room. The stuff he leaked uncontrollably was some black mist on an ESP level. Pretty common for Demons. Terrible for my health as well to be near it. They are rotten through and through.

I have since noticed (especially with Magfrey) that if you pray and ask a Higher Order Entity to push them out, when the two tangle, the Demon very quickly expends that black mist that their pattern is full of. It seems to tire out the Demon rather quickly. The Demon usually will flee rather than resist for too long. Their resupply is slow to gather. Some of the determined ones will sometimes struggle for more than a day. If they throw a tantrum in front of you they also expend influence just as quickly.

They don't seem to be able to absorb the influence directly from the environment. In fact, the environment is usually caustic to them. They don't like the environment when it is clean and agreeable. Usually when they bother someone they try to turn the environment into a sour area so they can reside in it in their reclusive area.

It is like having an unwanted dog in your house, LOL. (Takes a poop everywhere and is totally unwanted. Just kidding. Sorta...)

http://i46.tinypic.com/2dqlpft.png

The only Demons that can manipulate the environment at will (like a true psychic) are the smarter ones whom are almost always much more dangerous and intense.


Of course, we already know how those types know everything about us and can dig into our minds and drag out our inner most secrets and long forgotten memories and throw them right back at us by reminding us about them... it's terrifying to say to least when one first encounters these intelligences who do that.... like something out of the exorcist. Ha, ha.... if skeptics only knew about such things.... most I imagine would have nervous breakdowns after encountering stuff like that. I wouldn't mind if a skeptic had the occasional breakdown every now and then.

I would look down and ask..."Why are you cowering under that table? Your Demonic host asked you if you would sign your first born. "

<Fore picks up the Skeptic by the shoulders> "Here, hold your tape measure straight when measuring his width and breadth and depth, now measure accurately for science sake!"

<Fore adds> "And remember, none of this happened. You are having a weird "controlled" hallucination. ;) Don't you dare tell anyone what you saw today, you'd be a fool to believe anything but 'it didn't happen' . Now shake hands with the illusion and don't forget to say you don't want to sign over your first born. If your hands burn on contact, it is simply swamp gas."

<Demon host> *nods* in appreciation of the cover story.

A99
08-14-2012, 03:01 AM
I wouldn't mind if a skeptic had the occasional breakdown every now and then.

I would look down and ask..."Why are you cowering under that table? Your Demonic host asked you if you would sign your first born. "

<Fore picks up the Skeptic by the shoulders> "Here, hold your tape measure straight when measuring his width and breadth and depth, now measure accurately for science sake!"

<Fore adds> "And remember, none of this happened. You are having a weird "controlled" hallucination. ;) Don't you dare tell anyone what you saw today, you'd be a fool to believe anything but 'it didn't happen' . Now shake hands with the illusion and don't forget to say you don't want to sign over your first born. If your hands burn on contact, it is simply swamp gas."

{Rolling on the floor in laughter!!} Yup! Very true! ;)


I wouldn't mind if a skeptic had the occasional breakdown every now and then.

I would look down and ask..."Why are you cowering under that table? Your Demonic host asked you if you would sign your first born. "

Wow... you're right on target with that one! Amazing.

Neuru
08-15-2012, 03:13 PM
Hi Agent99, just about a week ago I wrote in a private email that it's too bad there hasn't been any input here from you since sometime in February - and then you showed up two days later. You don't know me personally, I wasn't a member at OM but this is an interesting coincidence nevertheless. :) The more perspectives on this material, the better (IMO).

@Fore:

I'd like to know what Montalk thinks about these many topics as well.
Montalk said to me that he isn't doing forums now. I think you should definitely drop him an email, maybe you could convince him otherwise. ;) You'll find his address at the top half of the frontpage of his site, I won't post it here as he probably already has his share of spammers. I think you would find some things he believes in to be blasphemous. Additionally, he mentions on his site this apparently delusional philosophy that you described as "changing your vibration will change your timeline". He also seems (to me) way too optimistic regarding our future.

Now as for questions that might pop up among beginners, I posted quite a few in my April 4 2012, 12:00 PM (GMT) post. Those could be relevant to me as well as I started doing the tuning fork method again a couple days ago. At the very least I get numerical synchronicities since then and also a bit more lucidity in dreams. (Lucidity [not in the sense of being aware that it is a dream but in the sense of just being aware during a dream, which automatically makes it more vivid in terms of imaginary sensory experience] is key to remembering dreams and usually I don't remember them.) I also got a few times what seemed to be intuition (meaning info from the higher mind) but I'll stay skeptical of that until "it" predicts something very tangible that cannot be chalked up to chance or unconscious cold reading. Could be a foreign entity for all it's worth, although I burn incense now regularly. Most likely it's just my imagination.

@Pontificator:
Since Fore said you should try scanning members... I wouldn't really appreciate that (I'd like to keep my privacy for now) and I don't really have anything in terms of alternate perspectives on Fore's material. If with anyone, you could do this with Montalk (but of course only with his permission), or the many critics of Fore. The latter you'll find some of in Amkon's Borg thread, for instance.

What may also interest you, as regards scanning, is that I have said that last December I suddenly developed intermittent tinnitus in my left ear, while reading Fore's old Encounters thread. I don't know if that's just a natural thing or if it's an implant. You may be interested in finding out, by scanning it:

- what sort of implant this is (what it looks like, etc.)
- what kind of data it relays and to whom
- whether it's used for thought insemination or not

It's supposed to be in the left half of my head. I also get tinnitus in my right ear sometimes, maybe that's one more implant or just a sign that I shouldn't use headphones anymore. ;) If there's ET behind any of this (how could I know?) they probably won't appreciate you publicly posting about it, meaning you should do exactly that, IMO.

A99
08-15-2012, 04:54 PM
Hi Agent99, just about a week ago I wrote in a private email that it's too bad there hasn't been any input here from you since sometime in February - and then you showed up two days later. You don't know me personally, I wasn't a member at OM but this is an interesting coincidence nevertheless. :)The more perspectives on this material, the better (IMO).

My oh my, that's interesting but on the other hand, I am very much a 'receiver' sometimes.... maybe I was unconsciously picking up on something here i.e. your mentioning of my name and so on... OR, it could just be a coincidence and nothing more but what ever the case may be, what it comes down to is that I'm just like everybody else here who has a passion and even a need to talk about many of the topics that are being discussed on this board. And I want to engage in intelligent and stimulating conversations on them ... not boring and dead ones. This is the only place I'm going to find that. So, here I am and I'm glad you're here too! Thanks for sharing Neuru! :)

Am checking out your April 4th post now... will comment later!

pontificator
08-16-2012, 02:16 AM
@Neuru, Did it sound like this? : https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0ghZwLH24gMUzJ1dGNad01QRzQ

Fore
08-16-2012, 06:16 AM
Hi Agent99, just about a week ago I wrote in a private email that it's too bad there hasn't been any input here from you since sometime in February - and then you showed up two days later. You don't know me personally, I wasn't a member at OM but this is an interesting coincidence nevertheless. :) The more perspectives on this material, the better (IMO).

For the record, Agent99 and I are more like FrEnemy (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=frenemy) than friends. Our conversations usually follow a "boom and bust" cycle. One day we are nice to each other and then we are like a perfect example of a domestic disturbance...err only online.

When it is a boom, it's an interesting conversation and we both learn from each other. When it is a bust, its a touch and go situation.

The moment it descends into a bust cycle, I will simply not be very responsive and cut my losses. While it is in the boom cycle, I can take advantage of the conversation that she has with me. She gets good questions to ask and brings the conversations into an area where most members don't think to go.

Fore
08-16-2012, 07:34 AM
@Fore:

Montalk said to me that he isn't doing forums now. I think you should definitely drop him an email, maybe you could convince him otherwise. ;) You'll find his address at the top half of the frontpage of his site, I won't post it here as he probably already has his share of spammers. I think you would find some things he believes in to be blasphemous. He has my respect to the point that I don't mind at all.

He might be right on more than a few things.

When I read his site, he has often meticulously looked at many different ideas spread throughout the landscape. While mine were developed primarily in one corner and sometimes I am not aware of what the others corners are. He has his own perspectives on what is and isn't true and they don't always jive with the corner I come from.

Mainly I don't try too hard to take all of the landscape in as puzzle pieces and then try to make sense of it all. I only tend to see the various pieces with everything I have been taught. Sometimes the pieces in the landscape are truly baffling and seem untrue to me. Other pieces I have a strong idea of where they came from and what they are likely about.


Additionally, he mentions on his site this apparently delusional philosophy that you described as "changing your vibration will change your timeline". He also seems (to me) way too optimistic regarding our future. I don't recall reading him going into depth on that idea. But it wouldn't surprise me if he adopted the concept when looking it over.

It is a half truth in a fully baked idea.

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You have to put into perspective "the people" whom probably made the slogan and then created a propaganda based on it. (I am referring to the ET)

The slogan/propaganda is something a number of the ET know intimately in their daily routines but which when heard by human ears....can take on an entirely different meaning.

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If you have pre-cognition like some of the ET do. Then, events aren't "understood or navigated through" in the same way as it is for a human being. Having non-linear awareness of your future environment to a specific degree, your outcomes are known in advance and chosen and defined by your current actions which solidify it's reality.

Events happening to you (as an ET) are known before hand at some level and degree in your perceptual awareness. You can flip through the various "end effects" in order to choose the correct immediate present (the cause).

In that way of life, that way of finding and choosing a pre-determined outcome is what gives the ET slogan its birth. "Choose your future" or "Change your Timeline you wish to be in".

Human beings without pre-cognition cannot really choose their future. We hedge our bets and hope things come out the way we think it will. But we never really know what the outcome will be. So when some ET comes from above arrives on the scenes and starts to claim that we have a definitive non-randomized choice in choosing our outcome, they are obviously conning people.

I have rarely seen an ET offer a human being functional pre-cognitive traits so they can make that choice. The idea is nonsense without the actual functional method of choosing ones own outcome. You can't make an informed choice if you can't see the outcome choices themselves. (The human default human condition)

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The second part of "changing your vibrations" is a more complex set of references. The idea expressed in that propaganda is that people can change their influence configuration and somehow it will make them 4D or 5D. There are elements of truth and bold lies. The variety of false implications seem to change from one group to another group.

Some are promised transfigured forms. Others are promised that the change in vibrations will only attract others of the same (??). Others are told they have to achieve a certain level of vibration in order to be be "beamed" away. <rolls eyes>

The ideas are always made to sound plausible, the only problem is that if you know about certain topics (like they know them) then the false ideas fall flat on their face. I wish I could write more but I am going to sleep.

Neuru
08-16-2012, 07:45 AM
@Neuru, Did it sound like this? : https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0ghZwLH24gMUzJ1dGNad01QRzQ
If you mean the few instances of intuition, no, that did not have any sound.
If you mean the supposed "implant", it's a higher tone. It's either constantly "on" for hours (meaning it's not a transient, few seconds phenomenon like the eartone mp3 you linked) or it's constantly "off". I said "intermittent" because of this.

I'm pretty sure this mp3 you linked is your copy of Montalk's ear tone recreation. He made two other recreations as well (these were only linked on his forum):

- http://montalk.net/eartone_high.mp3 <-- Instead of what you linked, this is what most of my eartones sound like (I do get the other kind as well).
- The frequency of the constant tinnitus is similar to the high tone CRT TVs emit when they're on (meaning it's even higher than the one in eartone_high.mp3). I very conveniently forget which component in those TVs emits that sound. For the record, I heard some cell phone chargers emit a similar high-pitched tone as well.
- http://montalk.net/eartone_alien.mp3 (http://montalk.net/eartone_high.mp3) <-- I never got this kind, not sure if this is just a joke (the first tone in the series I did get very occasionally).

If I take the skeptical route of reasoning (which I'd prefer) then
- the constant tinnitus is just tinnitus, and it was an interesting but ultimately meaningless coincidence that it suddenly developed while I was into reading Fore's Encounters thread (for the first time)
- the transient eartones which are the result of blood pressure changes in the ear are just biological glitches

But then, why did I get "gifted" with the former just back then (I never had tinnitus before that) and why do I get instances of the latter when I think/do something that's probably "interesting" to these alleged ETs? (Not much of the latter, lately.)

One interesting thing I should mention: for the past few days, whenever I started the activation exercise, after a few breathing cycles (I use my version of the "open portal technique") the left ear tinnitus got turned on suddenly, even if it was "off" for hours. (May I add, it's "on" right now, while I'm writing this, too.) There may very well be a perfectly reasonable, fully biological explanation for this that I don't yet know about (I'll consider that, of course, even Wikipedia lists a ton of possible causes for subjective tinnitus) but it's interesting nevertheless.

montalk
08-16-2012, 10:17 AM
Montalk said to me that he isn't doing forums now. I think you should definitely drop him an email, maybe you could convince him otherwise. ;) You'll find his address at the top half of the frontpage of his site

Alright, twist my arm :) Well, what's three musketeers without a fourth. A lot of ideas and questions have been building up these past two years. I'd be glad to discuss these and other issues brought up on this thread, and contribute what I can. So here's a happy hello to Fore, Neuru, Pontif, Garuda, and everyone…

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About ear ringings, if anyone's up for an experiment, I'd like to see if humans can induce ear ringings in other humans. So far mine have been limited to non-human entities. I'll be the target, we'll work out the experiment details. @Neuru - that eartone_alien.mp3 (http://montalk.net/eartone_alien.mp3) was indeed a joke (and your link went to the wrong file). Wonder if any will recognize the reference?

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About vibes, synchronicity, and timelines -- my understanding differs from the typical New Age views. Just because I might use similar terms, doesn't mean I wear a pyramid on my head.

New Agers would take any synchronicity as an affirmative nod from reality; I know there are alien-orchestrated ones that can bring disinfo carriers together for mutual validation via the Lock & Keys system. I think any synch involving telepathic nudging of people is suspect. I call those negative or artificial synchs. But there are also purely symbolic synchs (like the kind explored by Carl Jung (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity)) that seem beyond alien abilities to create, and that have no strategic payoff for them. The mechanism behind how such synchs happen is a big mystery.

New Agers also believe the world as a whole can be saved if enough people ignore bad news and think happy thoughts. I believe the world is screwed with billions dying in the coming decades. That's not too optimistic. But I also have reason to believe that your degree of moral integrity, emotional balance, and spiritual warmth can probabilistically influence your personal trajectory through through it all. How? Maybe through some unexplored feature / application / type of "influence" that can affect the probability of everyday events. Some nonlocal PK effect that extends into the future/past maybe. Just guessing... The mechanism ought to be related to the one behind Jung style synchronicities.

pontificator
08-16-2012, 01:24 PM
Maybe through some unexplored feature / application / type of "influence" that can affect the probability of everyday events. Some nonlocal PK effect that extends into the future/past maybe. Just guessing... The mechanism ought to be related to the one behind Jung style synchronicities.

Good guess, something is trying really hard to connect to me right now, and I mean really hard. I'd suspect that there is more to the determination aspect, and the influence effects as a whole, especially form the point of view of a human having access to different abilities to an alien being. After all, we have a different influence structure, so it only stands to reason we'd also have different skill sets as a result [likely why something is giving me serious shooting pains in my ears right now.]

In terms of ear ringing, it is largely a result of the blood being forced into areas around the various inner ear workings [increasing the internal pressure of the area.] Influence attracts influence, and has a tendency to pool blood. So essentially the experiment you propose is that we create an influence manifestation that creates this effect in/near you. Would that be roughly correct?

@neuru, tone sequence is from encounters of the third kind, you'll also find a reference to it in MoonRaker; when Bond is opening a door into an area where a poisonous serum was being prepared the prior day, the villain of the piece has moved the equipment and the bodies away to make Bond look like an idiot. See above for an idea of why this happens. For the record I have, to my knowledge, not had a day without tinnitus, but the different types only started after reading Fore's thread. The linked note, however, did occur during my lifetime at particular decision points, it has occurred in much the same manner with more frequency recently after my encounter [especially if they take me away occasionally, although they haven't done that for quite a while.]

Garuda
08-16-2012, 02:47 PM
... So here's a happy hello to Fore, Neuru, Pontif, Garuda, and everyone…

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Good to have you with us, again! :w00t:

A99
08-16-2012, 02:53 PM
I second on that one!

A99
08-16-2012, 03:26 PM
Just a few thoughts:
I experience those "tones" as being almost tangible ... IOW, it's not just a sound/tone because they also have a palpable kinesthetic feeling to them. They vibrate and when they are located in the back of my head and I will even feel a vibration down my neck and spine. These kinesthetic sounds occur in varying tones that may last for a good duration of time... sometimes with a cacophony of unintelligible voices too. Also, there is not a day that goes by when I do not experience those short high pitched screeching beeps in the evening hours that occur in isolation after I've slipped into a more relaxed physical and mental state where they are accompanied by a voice that will say my name or something else... but many times I can't catch what the voice actually said so I will ask them to repeat it... and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. But these tones cause a physical effect... a good many times, they are not just sounds... they are something much more. Those tones are a signal from them that they have just arrived. I definitely KNOW that others are there with me during those times when I have them and in fact, they start up just when they show up. Does any of this sound familiar to any of you here?

A99
08-16-2012, 04:05 PM
About ear ringings, if anyone's up for an experiment, I'd like to see if humans can induce ear ringings in other humans. So far mine have been limited to non-human entities. I'll be the target, we'll work out the experiment details.


Montalk, I would love to try this out with you. You can send me a time (a 2 hour time period) via PM when you would be available to "receive" that 'intention' from me with the help from those whom I am in contact with. Please don't tell anyone here what time and day the session will take place. This way there will be no confusion as to who sent 'it' to you... should you receive 'it'.

Fore
08-16-2012, 05:58 PM
@ Montalk

The "Black Sheep" syndrome

One day in an isolated village of 100 individuals. All of the 100 villagers wore white shirts. There were 11 villagers whom were doing their daily chores near the river.

One day, on their routine visit to the river, 11 of these villagers (wearing white shirts) spotted a UFO. They went missing for 10 days. On the eleventh day, they were spotted by 89 of the other villagers returning to camp. Immediately the 89 villagers asked them where they had been for almost 11 days. The 11 told the other 89 that they had seen incredible things in the sky and had met with strangers from the sky.

The 89 other villagers found the story compelling, but they could not accept this as the truth of the matter. The 11 men extorted it was the truth. The villagers from that day forward said that they would be separated from the rest of the village until they had their next village meeting. The 11 men were given gray shirts and told to wear them above their white shirts.

They were now isolated and branded with Gray shirts. Everywhere they went they were treated differently. On the day of the next meeting, 10 of the men recounted their experience aboard this flying UFO and the visitors inside. But they had trouble convincing the other 89 that anything of this was true despite all 10 men having a consistent story. The 11th missing member came into the room and apologized for being late.

He said, they had proof that the entire event was true. That he was late for the meeting because he had gone down to the river to meet with the UFO and it's occupants. He alone sought the proof they needed. He recounted the story as the other 10 men had previously relayed. The other 89 village members were mystified as to how the absent member testimony matched so perfectly with the other 10 members.

The 11th member put a key down on the table and said, "Indeed, we had been on the craft of these strange unearthly men." The other 10 men gasped as they had seen the key before on one of the visitors they had met with.

They quickly and urgently agreed that this key was on that visitor inside the craft. The 89 village members were shocked and began to believe the account was legitimate and true. They 10 men asserted that the 11th member to this experience had brought them proof of the experience with the visitors. But after the members agreed that the 11th member had brought the legitimate proof that it all happened...the 11th member spoke up and further said "We even ate rocks with them!".

The 11th member sat and the other 89 members became angry. The other 10 didn't know what the 11th member was talking about...they had never eaten any rocks with the visitors. The 89 villagers became angry and accused all 11 of having abandoned their duties by the river. They dismissed them with anger and told them never to take off their Gray shirts. For the rest of their lives, they would be branded and isolated.

When the meeting adjured, the 10 men asked the 11th with GREAT HOSTILITY....WHY had he lied? The 11th member seemed confused and puzzled. He swore he had not lied...he had seen the visitors by the side of the lake and they had touched his head and "remembered" that they had all eaten rocks with the visitors.

Upon roughing up the 11th member they found under his Gray shirt a Black one. They asked him where he had recieved his shirt...he said "From the visitors...don't you remember?"

The 10 men realized they had been duped into agreeing with the 11th member. Having shown proof they blindly agreed to his testimony...never knowing he had a black shirt beneath his exterior Gray shirt.

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Moral of the lesson, I have to contend with people/members whom have legitimate experiences which very closely match my own. But....which also have tendencies to provoke a response from the audience that the events depicted are something other than the truth.

By agreeing that various elements of a members story are true, you have to be very careful of the "Black Sheep" syndrome.

People...like the villagers of the fictional story...assume that by an agreement that another persons legitimate elements are somehow true in someone elses case....somehow....it also means that two different individuals are experiencing the same thing.(?)

If I agree with someone on the elements they reference, and then, they go crazy on me tomorrow for any number of unknown reasons....the general assumption of the audience is that I must also be insane. Never taking a moment to think about the differences between two cases or two separate individuals.

Fore
08-16-2012, 06:16 PM
@ Montalk

I should tell you to be weary. Posts #564 and #565 can be one of those Black Sheep Syndromes. I know what she is talking about, I could write about 5 whole posts on different points. But the risk of an agreement is there.

You can either tell [thereby immunizing] the audience by writing about the "Black Sheep" Syndrome (as can be implied at the beginning of post #554). Or you can research the individual and then decide if an agreement and discussion [of elements] is the proper way to go down that road.

That is why I almost always wait for a while for someones story to develop before engaging them. It's a good practical routine that will help in the long run.

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One day Agent99 and I are on the best of terms, then the next we are fighting like cats and dogs or she makes claims which I know nothing about.

So as long as the audience understands that I am not her, and she is not me. I will probably [with great hesitation] go down that road. I thought it prudent to expound on this point very poignantly and take precautions. There are ET whom would prefer to see me crash and burn....even if by mere association.

Neuru
08-16-2012, 07:54 PM
@Agent99:

First of all, I don't speak for Fore, and never have, only for myself. That being said, I think his claim is that you cannot trust your memory in all situations. Go to any website that promotes skepticism and you'll shortly find out there that human memory is widely known to be faulty and unreliable. This is why anecdotal evidence is frowned upon... it's subjective and not tangible, certainly not something empiricists like.

Some posts back I linked to a peer-reviewed study that purports that the vividness of memories and mental imagery indeed varies very widely between individuals and this can be objectively measured as it correlates with neural activity in the visual cortex. The main cause for these huge differences is largely unknown in the scientific community, as far as I know. Nevertheless, some people have photographic memory and intense, lifelike imaginal ability, others have neither much memory nor imagination. (This topic alone is worth a separate thread on some board here, IMO.) If we consider Francis Galton's study from the 19th century, we can deduce that ordinary people have a good but not faultless ability for memory and imagination.

This is also why I said that even if I had abductions for whatever reason... it's unprovable even to me, because my memory is even worse than that of the average human being - significantly. (That, and it probably doesn't matter anyway, even if I had a couple check-ups, I'm nobody important and that is probably for the better.)

Some posts back I also linked to the UCB Gallant Lab's website. One of their aims is to reverse-engineer how the human brain stores memories, most importantly visual ones. Their research is expected to come to fruition in some 20 to 40 years. Interestingly, if Fore's testimonies are right, their lab won't be around in that time, along with, oh, I don't know, some 90% of the world's human population. If the "dividing line in history" didn't exist and their research came to fruition, that would be the point when anecdotal evidence would become empirical proof, supposing that it would be possible to differentiate between fabricated and genuine memories. Just put a brain scanner on the person, ask them to remember whatever, and you'll see their mental movie reel of said events played back before you - and you could save that to the 2040s equivalent of a hard disk, and afterwards, cut it, slow it down, turn up the brightness, make a histogram, etc. Compared to witness testimony that would be luxurious and that would be probably the day the paranormal would start to be taken seriously in mainstream science. You'd probably be famous and a lot of mediums would be, I guess.

Another problem is involuntary confabulation. I used to keep a dream journal but seldom had the opportunity to write down every detail right after waking up. Now, when I jot down key points in the morning and come back in the evening to write that day's entry... or even worse, write the entry several days after the dream, I found that for things that were missing from my notes, I invented things, to keep the dream journal entry coherent because I like to make each entry as a short story instead of making it a free-flowing diary entry.

Oh and I didn't even mention false memories being inserted remotely by powerful telepathic beings... which is probably the main point of what Fore wrote here. There was a thread about this on OMF, titled Thought Insemination.

I hope you don't consider this patronizing as I don't attempt to play here "wiser-than-thou" (and I don't have any scientific credentials), this is just my take on the likely causes of the opposition between the two of you and the reason why he posted that lengthy video of his skype chat log. That and an attempt to prevent possible arguments. Of course for a correct understanding, I'd have to have known both of you for several years which is not the case. :/

Apologies if this post was off-topic much.

A99
08-16-2012, 08:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybXrrTX3LuI

A99
08-16-2012, 08:57 PM
Montalk... let's cut that session down to an hour, shall we?
But once again, PM me the day and hour you can do that session... and don't tell anyone here what day and hour that is. ok? thanks :)

PS -- better yet, just email me that at bunacode@gmail.com



Montalk, I would love to try this out with you. You can send me a time (a 2 hour time period) via PM when you would be available to "receive" that 'intention' from me with the help from those whom I am in contact with. Please don't tell anyone here what time and day the session will take place. This way there will be no confusion as to who sent 'it' to you... should you receive 'it'.

Neuru
08-16-2012, 09:18 PM
Also, hi Montalk, hope you'll share many insightful questions and... insights during your stay. Btw if you want to post your take on Matti Aladin (at least what you wrote in email), you shouldn't wait for me to post my writeup, I think, I'm busy with other stuff at the moment.

A99
08-16-2012, 09:25 PM
Hi Agent99, just about a week ago I wrote in a private email that it's too bad there hasn't been any input here from you since sometime in February - and then you showed up two days later. You don't know me personally, I wasn't a member at OM but this is an interesting coincidence nevertheless. :)The more perspectives on this material, the better (IMO)

You were lying weren't you. And you didn't think that I didn't pick that up? lol

PS -- gotta screenshot of these posts, btw.

Fore
08-16-2012, 09:44 PM
Oh and I didn't even mention false memories being inserted remotely by powerful telepathic beings... which is probably the main point of what Fore wrote here. There was a thread about this on OMF, titled Thought Insemination.

The concept of a telepathic being rewriting someones nuanced thinking pattern is pretty easy. Memory is a little more involved as far as I know.

The easy ET [overview] explanation that can be shared in a short paragraph is the following:

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Everytime one of the members here thinks and processes information in their lower biological side of the loop, they generate nuanced "Influence" patterns with that encoded information. It is referred to in ET lessons as a "lower loop" of consciousness. Those encoded influence patterns remain floating around the periphery of your head for a while. Even after you have stopped thinking about a specific topic the emergent pattern lingers for a while.

Hmm, seems too complicated to talk about one and not all the others.

----Let me break it down into several nuanced lessons----

If you change the "live patterns", as they are forming, that causes living tissue to respond to the changes. The "spontaneous effect" is that processes at a "living tissue" level are keenly affected.

The reason for this is because of a complex term that the ET don't use an English word for. The approximate meaning is "Influence Entanglement". (More or less)

"Influence Entanglement" basically means that materials in physical space have strict tendency to affect non-physical influence and vice versa.

So if you go ahead and link to someone influence system in this thread, you can change the encoding process of their influence patterns. But depending on where you do it at, different behaviors are noted in how you affect that person. I'll explain more in the next post since it is coming out raw and I am not organizing a complex series of points very well.

Fore
08-16-2012, 09:59 PM
The ET taught me that there is a series of influence tendrils that invisibly emerge from someones head. Both vertically and horizontally. These tendrils are barely noticeable in non-psychics. Even in psychics they are still hard to notice to a certain degree. What any psychics should notice very easily are the process chains that occur after and beyond this stage.

I am referring to non-emergent influence encoding types. These are stored and "influence" encoded thoughts that have already been processed. They could be a few seconds old to several days or a month old. These are usually stored in the immediate vicinity of the head. ^ Red Flag event.

Usually these encodings are the most visible to psychics. ^ Red Flag event again. Monitoring is starting up.

Fore
08-16-2012, 10:05 PM
If you affect someone at just the point where the "emergent patterns" are being encoded you can change the way the anatomy of a persons head works. You can ^ affect the way their brain cycles and how it processes information.

Psychics like the ET usually compromise the integrity of the brain in order to more easily control someones state of consciousness and awareness. Usually by compromising the anatomy, ^ the ET is able to do fancy things like shift the persons brain into a state where it normally does not record event as a memory. They can also change the state into a more compliant and suggestible state.

Being monitored by a Grey now.

I think that this is pretty sensitive information. I never thought of really going into it before now.

A99
08-16-2012, 10:17 PM
Fore, why are intentionally trying to keep Montalk off this forum?

BTW... you started all of this... as usual... and you know that too.

Fore
08-16-2012, 10:31 PM
Important point: "Non-Emergent" influence patterns (with respect to thought processes) are used only to comb through a persons recent thought processes.

Emergent = still being made in real time
Non-Emergent = already made and processed patterns (either a few seconds old, or up to a month or more old)

Note: If you think about this way it should be easier for you to understand. The emergent area is usually just below the brains surface to about 2 inches above the bones of the skull. The "influence tendrils" as I refer to them go slightly further than that. Mostly in the verticlal position.

Note 2: The other areas around that (both vertically and horizontally) are mostly the areas where "non-emergent influence patterns" containing processed thought patterns are pooled and stored.

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If a psychic wants to read one of the members thoughts on this thread, they are better off (in the lower loop at least) reading the Non-Emergent influence patterns that a persons thought process has already generated. It is easier to target and easy to sense. With some basic targeting they can even read someones latent thought processes at large distances.

It is also easier to get a feel for what trajectory a persons thoughts have had if you pick the "non-emergent" target area of a persons head. This talent is called "mind reading".

Emergent mind reading can be difficult as it is taxing (to me at least).

Fore
08-16-2012, 10:36 PM
Fore, why are intentionally trying to keep Montalk off this forum?

BTW... you started all of this... as usual... and you know that too. Montalk is not the object of my observations. He is a very welcomed member to participate in the discussions.

@ Montalk

I am glad you are around even if you are just doing some lurking.

P.S. Agent99 I am concerned that this does not go down like it always did in the past. Let us both be on our best behavior from this point on. I apologize for bad vibes I might have sent your way. Please do mind my concerns and I will be very sure to be very mindful of your wishes.

One of my concerns is not to do too much "page turning". Please try to consolidate a series of responses into one post. (Unless it becomes too huge)

Fore
08-16-2012, 10:48 PM
Also, hi Montalk, hope you'll share many insightful questions and... insights during your stay.

Same here!

A99
08-16-2012, 11:04 PM
Fore, I'm one of your biggest fans. And believe it or not, I even like you so let's just try to keep the peace ok?

Fore
08-16-2012, 11:26 PM
There are advantages to modifying a person from higher up "the loop" (closer to the individuals "Higher Mind" complex).

If you want to inject information smoothly and allow for "perceived" processes like "Spontaneous Intuition" you'd aim for the Higher mind of a person when connecting to them. When you inject new influence [encoded] patterns and they are processed at the neurological level, it should be experienced as a "voice phenomena" or "thought phenomena" or mere intuition.

You can inject and store information into their long term [non-physical] memory as opposed to the lower part of the loop where it is transitory and temporary.

If you want to do "Thought Insemination" or "Thought Manipulation" there are advantages and disadvantages depending on where you attach in the loop process as the ET explained a long time ago.

TI = (Thought Insemination)
TM = (Thought Manipulation)

If you do Thought Manipulation there are several ways it can be accomplished at both ends of the loop (at least theoretically speaking).

I was told that TM at the lower end of the loop is more about "Stimulation" (Biological Stimulation). Whereas TM at the higher end of the loop is more about
"Structuring" (Behavior Modification).

TI or Thought Insemination is better at the higher end of the loop.

TI at the lower end of the loop is generally used (they said) for functional incapacitance. Forgetfulness, ADHD-like functionality, randomized thought process interception, etc

TI at the higher end of the loop is usually used for more permanent types of manipulation. Thought process guidance, Behavior response and training adaptations (long term), Hypnotic-like programming* (there are exceptions), etc.

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It is very hard to separate the two (TI/TM) because the two tend to overlap in some areas.

Fore
08-17-2012, 12:09 AM
There are advantages to modifying a person from higher up "the loop" (closer to the individuals "Higher Mind" complex).

If you want to inject information smoothly and allow for "perceived" processes like "Spontaneous Intuition" you'd aim for the Higher mind of a person when connecting to them. When you inject new influence [encoded] patterns and they are processed at the neurological level, it should be experienced as a "voice phenomena" or "thought phenomena" or mere intuition.

TM and TI are two halves of the same coin. If you are Inseminating artificial input then you are Manipulating. If you are Manipulating artificial input then you are likely Inseminating that artificial input.

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Basically, the "lower loop" should make people experience primarily sensory phenomena. The higher end of the loop should make people experience mostly mental phenomena.

Though the truth is the line is very blurry and that is probably a very dangerous over simplification.

Fore
08-17-2012, 12:28 AM
I guess the next topic to go into is targeting and bonding.

Though I am not quite sure what to type up that would be insightful or relevant.

pontificator
08-17-2012, 01:24 AM
I guess the next topic to go into is targeting and bonding.Though I am not quite sure what to type up that would be insightful or relevant.How they do it, literally ;) Oh, and I take it that the structure is copy/paste capable [with a little reworking]? Just had the thought that what works one way could be used for another, it would be interesting to inseminate the contents of your mind into a target grey... just can't think of a target... oh, I know, like the one bothering you right now?

Fore
08-17-2012, 02:05 AM
Is it my imagination or does the forum look strangely configured?

A99
08-17-2012, 02:10 AM
But Fore, don't you want to do that experiment that Montalk proposed?

montalk
08-17-2012, 02:51 AM
Thanks for the welcome everyone :)


Btw if you want to post your take on Matti Aladin (at least what you wrote in email), you shouldn't wait for me to post my writeup, I think, I'm busy with other stuff at the moment.

I started a new thread on it here: Quasi-Alien Mind Manglers (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?823-Quasi-Alien-Mind-Manglers&p=12895#post12895)

On the ear ringing experiment, I'll do it via PM. Otherwise everyone and their dead grandpa will join in and it'll be hard distinguishing who did what when. Also, this won't be a public display of proof (@Fore: I hear you on the Gray Sheep issue, thanks) so much as 1) seeing if it will work, and 2) if it does work, getting data on how it was done, which 3) will shed further light on the mechanism behind it, which 4) will say something about entities that are normally responsible for it. One way or another, I'll post the results.

For what it's worth, over the past few years I've been able to confirm what Fore proposed, and Pontif just re-explained, re: ear ringing - that it involves a distortion of influence in and around the head, that brings with it distorted blood flow. One example is that if you've ever had a *whopper* of an ear ringing, that ear becomes noticeably red and hot indicating a sudden surge in blood flow there. But weaker ear tones not as much.

Meaning, huge ear tones come with a wider, further, stronger area of blood distortion. Thus if ear ringings are caused by influence distortions, then it would make sense that the strongest ones would also have the strongest blood flow shifts. It also suggests that weaker ear tones, the ones that don't also cause the outer ear to become red and hot, involve influence distortions that remain localized deeper in the ear [again, just my guess, maybe it's not that simple].

Fore
08-17-2012, 03:05 AM
But Fore, don't you want to do that experiment that Montalk proposed?




About ear ringings, if anyone's up for an experiment, I'd like to see if humans can induce ear ringings in other humans. So far mine have been limited to non-human entities. I'll be the target, we'll work out the experiment details. @Neuru - that eartone_alien.mp3 (http://montalk.net/eartone_alien.mp3) was indeed a joke (and your link went to the wrong file). Wonder if any will recognize the reference?



It is a very easy one, but no I am not very willing.

See post #547 (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=12747&viewfull=1#post12747) and #548 for my personally invested interests and reasons. And yes, it is a coincidence that I wrote my reason a number of days ago, for moments like these.

I'd personally prefer to give everyone whatever they need or want to succeed and do it on their own. I don't have any problems with that. But breaking my vow and using my abilities is a very slippery slope.

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The three of you have psychic fields that are active. Some more spotty than others if I recall correctly.

Out of the four (A99, Nueru, Montalk, Pontif) possibly the easiest to activate is between you [A99] and Pontif. But you [A99] (IMO] seem to probably have the poorest consistent [control] with your abilities and possibly extensive errors in perception (IMO). But you have the advantage that you have a spiritual set of entities laying around that can assist you in waking up structures.

Montalk is somewhat of an unknown but often his writings contain details that states he is capable of cognitive control and experiences psychic events all of the time. Emphasis on his ability to experience paranormal and psychic events.

Pontif seems to have a workable activation routine but I don't know if he can turn it "on" with a mental command (and without external help from hotspots in his area). So hopefully he can.

Nueru is also somewhat of a mystery but often states he can perform activation routines. So I wouldn't know where he is at in the scale of things.

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At least two of you would have to do some activation routines and build the other three up on a constant basis.

To build psychic bonds between each other you would have to repeatedly merge fields [after activation routines] or use semi-conscious references in your mindset to refer to each other. It's not enough to have them in your concious mind. It would have to be passed on to the cognitive control mechanism or higher mind if you have one.

I don't have specifics (except for pontif) as to which components in each of you, you individually use to perfrom basic targeting. Normally you would each undergo tests and scans to determine what your individual configurations and probable capacities are from your psychic profiles.

You'd each have to have a preset understanding and structure based on your performance levels. You should aim to create your own personal ~psychic network~. Some of you might be able to transmit signals between each other while others will only probably excel at reception.

If at least one of you is capable of "mind reading" the other three, you should be able to make up for 3 other nodes not being able to transmit in the network.

But before all of that, there is the question of whom can target at a distance since you are all fairly far apart. Neuru says he is in Turkey, (right?) Pontif in New Zealand, A99 in Northern America, Montalk....in some underground base somewhere...hehe.

Fore
08-17-2012, 03:24 AM
The first point is whether you four have any form of ESP feedback. If you do, the chances of remote targeting increases significantly.

Targeting is something which normally *should* develop from ESP perception.

So a basic question to ask is if any of you actually sense the environment external to your body? [IFM at the worst, T-IFM is passable, EFM is great]
(Not the neurological senses but the "intuitive" sense)

Next set of questions are basic tests on spatial awareness with a reduced dependence on normal senses.
Then a set of questions on whether you can locate phenomena at a distance followed by questions on whether you can produce [body independent] psychic phenomena.

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The next phase is doing basic test on whether you can perform guided controls and follow up questions on any activation routine you perform. Usually with an analysis on your methods efficiency and a basic measurement test on psychic capacity.

You should be able to perform 5 minute intervals of psychic activity at a non-strenous level at least a couple of times per hour. Then we should study how long the recharge rate is when you become exhuasted and if your structures are developed enough to perform efficiently (not really as important).

A99
08-17-2012, 03:34 AM
Fore stated:

I apologize for bad vibes I might have sent your way.
Apology accepted.
And I in turn owe an apology to poor Nueru. My comment to you about that matter of me possibly being cued to come back here because you and someone else mentioned my name while talking to each other via PM did happen hence why you are saying that I might have picked up on that where I ended up coming back here again shortly after that conversation and so on... I was feeling like I was being ganged up on today and in the heat of the moment I said today that you were not being truthful about that ... I was wrong and I'm sorry. I was just feeling a little paranoid at that juncture. But please do keep in mind that there are 2 versions of the 'story' in regards to that rough patch Fore and I went through prior to when this forum became active; one is Fore's and the other is mine. And as Fore demonstrated today, his comment about how he 'lay's low' whenever he and I hit a snag could not be further from the truth. That he went after me again with full gusto today like he did gives proof to that fact in wonderful living color. This is all I will say about it and hopefully Fore will follow his own advice and not send out bad vibes ... as he calls it... to me again on this forum.

A99
08-17-2012, 03:52 AM
Fore stated: '

But you [A99] (IMO] seem to probably have the poorest consistent [control] with your abilities and possibly extensive errors in perception (IMO).
Fore, just because I do not agree with your views on this or that all the time does not warrant you saying that I have "extensive errors in perception" because of that. In fact, I think sometimes you are the one who has 'extensive errors in perception' on more things than I care to mention. Your most recent comments on the term 'synchronicity' in this forum is just one example of this. I am one of many, many people out there who does believe that people of higher vibration DO end up tapping into a flow of ongoing synchronous events in their lives where you on the other hand apparently think that such sentiments are a bunch of baloney and this is just one case in point in terms of those things that we disagree about.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you by disagreeing with your comment that I put in quotes above but when you are saying something about me that I disagree with, I'm not going to be a doormat and allow you to say whatever you want about me anytime you're in the mood to do so --- so let this be a warning to you, I will defend myself whenever that is necessary.

Fore
08-17-2012, 04:35 AM
Fore stated:

Apology accepted.
And I in turn owe an apology to poor Nueru. My comment to you about that matter of me possibly being cued to come back here because you and someone else mentioned my name while talking to each other via PM did happen hence why you are saying that I might have picked up on that where I ended up coming back here again shortly after that conversation and so on... I was feeling like I was being ganged up on today and in the heat of the moment I said today that you were not being truthful about that ... I was wrong and I'm sorry. I was just feeling a little paranoid at that juncture. But please do keep in mind that there are 2 versions of the 'story' in regards to that rough patch Fore and I went through prior to when this forum became active; one is Fore's and the other is mine. And as Fore demonstrated today, his comment about how he 'lay's low' whenever he and I hit a snag could not be further from the truth. That he went after me again with full gusto today like he did gives proof to that fact in wonderful living color. This is all I will say about it and hopefully Fore will follow his own advice and not send out bad vibes ... as he calls it... to me again on this forum. 48 hours prior to you coming back, there was a blurb on the ET network that they were open to the possibility of shutting down TOP.

3 days after you came into the forum the last blurb was something about somoene up above going through "viable" options. Some ET shared with another ET the idea of putting me into trouble with the Administrators of TOP and then getting me kicked off. After that blurb they disconnected me from performing observations. So I can't "sense" or percieve anything happening on the ET network.

I am rather surprised they let me take a peak for as long as it went on.

When I heard that last blurb on the local end of the ET network, I started to consider my options carefully. While nothing was set in stone, I hope you can forgive me for being extra cautious and keeping our known history at a distance.

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If you spend as long a time as I did, you learn very quickly that some ET are very good manipulators. Even if you don't mean to or have no plans to do so, there are many ways to <cough> use people <cough> to those ends.

Now that you know what was/is on my mind, I hope you (and others) will take extra precautions not to descend into hostile arguments where any of us could be ejected from the conversation and sharing process. I think it is in all our collective interests to be mindful and careful so we don't end up being our own worst enemy.

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Also in case you didn't read about it at OMF, I don't find much value when people post praise in relation to the information I post. I didn't invent it, I was just told it, so heaping on me for it doesn't make me feel any better. From my perspective I may just be a trained animal. A lab experiment (without the lab).

You may not find the logic in the rejection of the praise but I don't find it appetizing. Especially since I paid a very high cost in my life to obtain it.

Think about it this way, they [The ET] gave me the information for their express purpose. (Not mine) They gave me [a proverbial] 20 dollars worth of information. But they made me pay 20,000 dollars for it. I am not happy with what I got in return for everything I have given. So I am getting my 20,000 dollars woth by giving it aware for free. I want everyone to know FOR FREE.

That makes me feel mostly good that someone else won't have to potentially pay such a high price to know the end of the result is. Every lesson I learned was paid in a lot of tears, stress, and heartache. They were relentless in the amount of tests they ran on me.

So when I give it away and tell everything, I don't want praise or anything, it reminds me of what I went through to obtain it and all the opertunities I lost for it to be in my head. Each post you see me write out has alot of stories attached to it and plenty of recorded memories and sentiments. Most of them not so bright or happy.

Even if you don't intend it, the praise makes me feel like I am being mocked. An irrational sentiment but it is there nonetheless.

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The Advisor made the knowledge available to me, so did the males and the various dozens (maybe hundreds) of other ET's not directly affiliated with my ET group. But most of it was with an express purpose in their mind. Now, today, that purpose is something I alone am defining. I want you all to have it, to learn from it, to test it and to analyze it for your own pruposes without anyone subjecting you to incredible stress and tests.

As I said on OMF, if you see me ignore someone whom is sending me praise, it is because I don't respond to that kind of praise. I don't feel all that good about knowing it and everything I traded in my life for it.

The reason I don't engage in psychic tasks, is because if it were up to the ET, I would be back in their hands and they would be using me for their purposes. So I do everything I can today and tommorrow to make sure I don't put myself back into that position. Even now, I am gradually maturing enough to become strong enough to not show off or be relgated to a pony in a freak show.

I know, you don't intend that, but I have done it a thousand times before OMF was even around on the internet. It never led to anything significantly good. Either people become afraid, paranoid or want to use you for their own purpose so you can give them the same capabilities.

I seek normalcy and peace and quiet. And my proverbial 20k of invested time and stress. Giving it away is a way to make sure I give back to the community. Even if my former associates sit behind the curtain and grimace at the efforts I have made.

Fore
08-17-2012, 04:50 AM
Fore stated: '

Fore, just because I do not agree with your views on this or that all the time does not warrant you saying that I have "extensive errors in perception" because of that. In fact, I think sometimes you are the one who has 'extensive errors in perception' on more things than I care to mention. Your most recent comments on the term 'synchronicity' in this forum is just one example of this. I am one of many, many people out there who does believe that people of higher vibration DO end up tapping into a flow of ongoing synchronous events in their lives where you on the other hand apparently think that such sentiments are a bunch of baloney and this is just one case in point in terms of those things that we disagree about. You are right, I didn't think about how you might feel about saying that. I apologize and intend to take better care of how I word things in the future.


I'm not trying to pick a fight with you by disagreeing with your comment that I put in quotes above but when you are saying something about me that I disagree with, I'm not going to be a doormat and allow you to say whatever you want about me anytime you're in the mood to do so --- so let this be a warning to you, I will defend myself whenever that is necessary.

I'll try my best to not upset you in the future and if necessary (I think it is) I will simply not post any commentary necessarily related to you. That may resolve the problem that we always seem to have.

Fore
08-17-2012, 08:28 AM
@ Agent99/Pontif/Nueru

You might enjoy this article of Montalk. He goes into (very deep) territory with the so called "Philosophers Stone". He writes about how the contraption is basically a low end influence modification device.

I couldn't make sense of the physical version of the Philosophers stone until I read his article. He does a remarkable job writing the entire article and explaining things in really easy to understand format. He disambiguiates many different points.

We have discussed the Philosophers stone in this thread so I thought you guys might really enjoy this take on it. He also goes deep into why it has the numerous aspects attached to it in a very logical flowing form.

Please, I encourage you to read it to it's end. If you understand "Influence" manipulation then you'll enjoy this read and it's various insights into how ancient man utilized a device that is well ahead of it's time.

I prefer the ET version though which probably doesn't need the host material.

Link: http://montalk.net/gnosis/174/the-philosopher-s-stone

Neuru
08-17-2012, 09:02 AM
Nueru is also somewhat of a mystery but often states he can perform activation routines. So I wouldn't know where he is at in the scale of things.
I just do the "open portal" technique. I don't know if it actually works, that needs a few more weeks of practice.
Btw my routine is 22×3 instead of the advised 11×3. I do it twice a day. This is probably not enough IMO. How often should I do it and how long?


Neuru says he is in Turkey, (right?)
Nope, Hungary. Well, it does end with a "y".;) That'd be Central Europe.

pontificator
08-17-2012, 02:01 PM
@Fore, I checked earlier today, essentially the field my end is able to be ramped up and down at will. One interesting oddity that has popped up recently, not something that has occurred before, is that the field can reach peak when passing near a hot-spot and then start to fluctuate. The fluctuation is very rapid and completely regular, so I suspect something is brewing there in terms of an ability getting ready to fire itself up.

Have also noticed another odd effect, for some odd reason, and I'm pretty sure nothing else has changed, I've suddenly ended up with a lot of young university girls sitting next to me even when there are free seats. Given I'm not exactly socially apt, I'm at a loss as to what to do, so I'm spending my time thinking while pretending it's not happening... after a time, about 30 minutes, they will move to another location while being seemingly confused; yes, I know, there are probably a lot of readers thinking I'm nuts in not taking advantage of the situation, but I quite frankly don't want my life to be that exciting... could you imagine how it would go down on judgement day? It'd be a right terrible mess for everyone concerned.

There seems to be a lot more monitoring of me my end as well, especially since the more practical TI discussions began, it's been particularly intense since Montalk joined in as well [thumbs up there, I use the situation to run experiments on whatever is connecting.] BTW, Fore, please continue with the TI/TM discussion, I'm finding the particulars of the constructs around the head to be really interesting.

@All, Those of you wishing to run the experiment with Montalk need to know that I am an "enabler" in terms of ability, so if I do start connecting to you you may find that you ramp up frighteningly fast. A lot of people in my previous experiment thread couldn't handle it, and some like Dreamoftheiris actually started getting abducted. So I need your specific permission before I start even thinking of making a network.

A99
08-17-2012, 03:38 PM
I'm game Pont. BTW, can you narrow it down to a time frame of any sort?

Neuru
08-17-2012, 05:37 PM
@Pontif, count me in. Two things you may want to keep in mind:

(1) I'm not psychic
(2) I suspect that the influence environment in the area where I live is foul, that'd imply it's attractive for phantoms, maybe low caliber demons (okay, that's probably a bit of a stretch). If you can, you may want to scan this area and report if I'm right on this. And of course pray that nobody's interconnect structures will be messed up. ;)

I'd also appreciate a reply to my long-standing question on how frequently (per day) I should do the open portal technique and how long each session should last. FYI I do it while standing upright, I don't lie down and don't perform relaxation routines like advised, maybe that's a mistake?

Also, for anyone's reference, here's my copy of Pontif's PSI Experiment Journal, I saved it back in December: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57087428/OMF/PSI%2C%20NDE%20and%20Spirituality/pontificator%20-%20Pontificators%20PSI%20Experiment%20journal.htm

Fore
08-17-2012, 07:21 PM
I just do the "open portal" technique. I don't know if it actually works, that needs a few more weeks of practice.
Btw my routine is 22×3 instead of the advised 11×3. I do it twice a day. This is probably not enough IMO. How often should I do it and how long? I used to do primary and secondary types of activations on an "as needed" basis. If I put it down as a timed routine, it would be every 4 to 6 hours.

If you are already in an oversupply of influence, then there isn't much need to continue an activation routine. (But that depends on a few considerations)

The purpose of activation is mostly to maintain a certain level of influence injection and thereby keeping a certain level of influence supply at the ready. The other purpose is to also allow you to train your structures to handle heavier and heavier loads (in terms of exerting a form of "affinity" control.

Think of Activation like improving the rate of circulation to a muscle. Now think of exercising "affinity" control like building up a muscle so that it handles heavier loads. Further, you also need to develop cognitive control, guidance routines, and eventually a sort of workable interface to turn your guidance into an actual actionable event on the space around you.

Affinity control is mostly about controlling influence, at a distance, from your individual "influence centers" (energy centers). You'll want to make sure you share the "influence" loads internally so that you don't overtax any specific component in your interconnect. You will eventually (intuitive to your own body and system) learn how much is too much influence down a certain pathway inside your interconnect of "influence centers".

Like a highway inside your body, some areas might only be able to handle a proverbial 40 tons because of the structures beneath, so if you pass 52 tons, then you'd end up damaging the highway and taxing the structures beneath.

In this analogy, the affinity control from the centers have on the influence stream passing through and around it, is at a specific level of controlled intensity. Each center might have a different value of exerting and controlling the flow of influence passing through your internal corridors.

If you exceed the capacity of these collective centers to direct the flow abnormally around your body. Then the flow will begin to leak into other areas within your internal body before it reaches the psychic ducts lined througout your body.

Note: You must also guage what is the maximum tolerance level for your living tissues. When you approach the maximum tolerance, pain will begin, tissue will tear due to microscopic abnormalities, red marks will show up on the surface of the skin and internal bruising will occur.

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The more frequent your "influence centers" are engaged in controlling your influence, the more robust the affinity control will become.

Addendum: You should eventually, (not necessary at the begining) strive to teach your "influence centers" how to control "Foreign Influence" from both other living people and from environmental or exterior objects.
This will help you immensely in controlling foreign influence structures beyond the body.



Nope, Hungary. Well, it does end with a "y".;) That'd be Central Europe.Sorry about that.

I am sure I missed a few points, but I am busy in the background at the moment.

Fore
08-18-2012, 07:34 AM
I have a legitimate set of questions.

What is it about controlling your own personal influence that causes affinity control over that "influence pattern" to increase?

What can be done to artificially speed up the process of increasing affinity in a particular "influence center"?

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Can you guys/gals brainstorm on this and get back to me if any good ideas (or hell even bad ones) come to mind?

pontificator
08-18-2012, 01:54 PM
Excellent, let me have some fun a moment, the first suggestion labelled [BAD] will be the bad suggestion. The suggestion labelled [GOOD] will be what I think is the most likely correct approach.


I have a legitimate set of questions.

What is it about controlling your own personal influence that causes affinity control over that "influence pattern" to increase?


[BAD] It causes nearby entities to come and aid us in our endeavors, and as they bring more light into our spiritually dark realm our light power manifests more readily. As our frequency increases towards their own we find much of their abilities becoming manifest in our environment, bringing light and joy to us as we submit more control to them. Over time we will hear the thoughts and commands of this grand federation of light, and attempt to move the planet toward the higher energies...

[GOOD] Much like drawing, the increasing of ones own abilities can only be achieved through much practice. A master artist did not paint their great works when they were but students, but instead spent many years of study, experimentation, and application of those studies before they could reach the pinnacle of their craft. At an influence body level the influence centers grow, and pattern themselves with new features and control over the different environments they reside in; essentially the unfolding process. The higher mind gains access to more of the world not normally available to it, and the lower mind ends up more integrated in the influence layer.



What can be done to artificially speed up the process of increasing affinity in a particular "influence center"?


[BAD] Through the usage of blood one can create an increased flow through the given influence center, usually the wrist translation table, whilst chanting to entities in the general vicinity to hear your call and aid you in your endeavor. Blood contains influence, and by placing it physically exterior to the body you can manipulate the blood influence to draw out your body's internal influence, the increase in flow should promote "unfolding" into this rich physical and metaphysical growth medium. It is suggested that one uses their own blood, but if you should find a suitable fresh host with the correct affinity then bathing the required influence center in about a liter should suffice; I hear some interesting things involving sacrificial altars and chanting to dark gods has worked for others in the past.

[EXTREMELY BAD] Within the body there are numerous influence producing centers, and other places where influence pools or is generated. By moving these generating systems away from their normal positions and into close proximity with other centers you can cause a large increase in the flow rate of a given area. Some users have found that manipulating the influence areas of the heart will produce the most... dramatic effects.

[GOOD] You can form PSI balls and hold them somewhat near a particular area [but much further away if you are working with the head] to increase the flow of influence out of a given area, and therefore stress the given point over a long period of time so that it will gradually "unfold". This is a slow process, and very much undirected as to what the end result will be, but it should allow one to gradually pattern the additions to create extra effects under their own control. Further to this, it is possible to code a self-sustaining psi-ball [shell with internal programming version] to place a continuous load on a given area until it reaches the desired flow rate, but this would be a tad advanced for those starting out.

Neuru
08-18-2012, 08:58 PM
@All, here's something that can alleviate the page turning somewhat:

1. Sign in, then go here: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/profile.php?do=editoptions
2. Scroll to Thread Display Options
3. Set Number of Posts to Show Per Page to 40 and save your changes.

It only works as long as you're signed in (but it's preserved so you won't have to do this the next time you sign in).

Fore
08-18-2012, 11:01 PM
At 2:00pm CST (8/18/2012)

There was ear ringing (left side) at exactly 2:00pm and again at just after 3:00 pm.

Computer went down at the same time so I wasn't able to post the info immediately.
Also felt unwell, following seeing a crossing shadow on the wall that wasn't supposed to be there. (No presence detected) It was a Strange hour.

A99
08-19-2012, 12:03 AM
I decided to post the information below in this thread instead of the one Montalk started up even though I am quoting one of Fore's statements that he made in that thread but I am also relating some recent experiential information too...


She stated that the Advisor must be avoided if she ever reapproaches me. (Which is what I did)
She stated/warned: That I may want to be with her, but that she is not free of her obligations [?]. That she cannot seperate herself from the situation that she is embrolied in. Any time I invite her into my presence she comes with others attached to her situation.



I’m not surprised to hear that Fore’s Guardian told him to avoid “Advisor”. This is the first time, to my knowledge, that I’ve heard this but let me cut to the chase and say why I’m even commenting on this.


I’ve been going through a very inactive psychic phase for a few months now.
But then a few days ago, I started posting here again and what do you know, immediately I was bombarded with psychic impressions and events again including very clear inner eye visions while meditating and lucid dreams.


Below are inner eye visions (while I was meditating) and lucid dreams at night I had the first 2 days I came back here to this forum:
--- I saw from a distance, as if I was looking through someone else‘s eyes, a Hispanic looking little boy and a young girl playing on one of those spinning rides in a playground somewhere.
--- then a face flashed in of a good looking light complected Hispanic or (almost asian Indian man from India) looking dark haired man with a neatly trimmed beard with very penetrating large dark eyes. He came in from the left and moved across the screen to the right and then disappeared.
--- I saw some kind of courthouse-like scene of a young Caucasian woman with long blond hair standing next to a young man with dark hair and when I saw him, I immediately sensed that he was the young boy, now grown up, that I saw in the playground. Both were standing there side by side and then the verdict was announced where she put her hands up to her face and started crying.
-- Then in the next scene, she ran up to the bars of the jail cell the young man was in where there was an emotional reunion.
--- I saw a woman with blond hair sitting at a table or desk and a dark haired slim man came in from a door located on the wall behind her where he then merged into her. When I saw that I said to myself... "she is possessed".
--- Then in the next scene, the blond haired woman was standing in front of me and I said to her “You are possessed” where I was sensing that the man and the woman were one and the same. Then she walked up to me and cupped my face in her hands and looked me in the eyes and gave out an angry intense and horrifying roar like a lion. But I stood there angry and defiant determined to keep fear at bay.
Note: Whenever I interpret such visions, I also reverse certain situations too in a second interpretation … for example, it could have been the woman who was behind bars and not the man. Or it could have been the man who walked up to me and roared and not the woman. I do this because when I have what turn out to be past events or precogs the reverse situation in them sometimes end up to be what actually happened instead.


Continuing on…
--- I saw some kind of scene play out that I can’t recall at this moment where immediately after that, a hooliginish face of a man flashed in with straw colored messy hair going every which way with little squinty eyes who was wearing a crooked mischievous/evil looking grin.
--- I saw a tall red quintessentially looking devil/satan with horns who popped into a room and casually sat down in a chair where he elegantly crossed his legs and then looked over at me and glared. That was the first time I had ever encountered Satan before in any inner eye vision or any lucid dream. In this case, it was in a lucid dream.


--- Last night a few things happened i.e. a sudden injection of very loud and distinctive noises that were apart from what I usually experience... but the most unusual was seeing a shadow on the wall of what looked like some kind of shelf or ledge where a large rat ran across it. That really caught me by surprise because I had never seen anything like that before… (the shadow of an animal).

Fore
08-19-2012, 01:07 AM
I’ve been going through a very inactive psychic phase for a few months now. I recall that now that you remind me of it.

Did you move out or something after January or December? I noticed it back then that your presence receded in it's intensity for some strange reason. (almost a 90% decrease in intensity vs your current 130~150% increase since before)



But then a few days ago, I started posting here again and what do you know, immediately I was bombarded with psychic impressions and events again including very clear inner eye visions while meditating and lucid dreams. I believe it is only related to your receptivity/sensitivity and psychic functions having increased.

I am a little bit interested to figure out why you are more prominent now than back then.


--- Last night a few things happened i.e. a sudden injection of very loud and distinctive noises that were apart from what I usually experience... but the most unusual was seeing a shadow on the wall of what looked like some kind of shelf or ledge where a large rat ran across it. That really caught me by surprise because I had never seen anything like that before… (the shadow of an animal).

Perhaps it has to do with something you did to yourself, your field is much more noticeable than before when you came back. Perhaps that has to do with the strange unconscious input traversing your mind. (background noise? increases in uncontrolled imagination?)

I recall the last sensations that came from your direction were something about working. (as in a job) I took the reception decrease and the sensations meant you moved somewhere else and went looking for steady employment or something.

Neuru
08-19-2012, 01:08 AM
Approaching high strangeness, I see.

From about 12:00 AM CEST to just about now I got a wavering, additional tone in the left ear (like the first one in Montalk's eartone_alien.mp3), in addition to the tinnitus, plus occasional "pings" (weak ones) in the right one. I thought Pontif was already setting up the network, or maybe profiling me so I thought it useful to do an activation as well while it lasted. (Still no idea if it actually works.)

Hmm... I got the additional tone again a few minutes ago.

Edit: May I ask who's scanning me?

A99
08-19-2012, 01:19 AM
This is first time I've mentioned that I went through an inactive psychic stage just before i came back here... now it feels like I have been reactivated again.

Also, I have never talked about moving anywhere.. Prior to living here though, I lived in a hi-rise on the lake.

Also, perhaps those noises and so on you have just experiences are just in your imagination.. fore. lol

Also, i have never talked about looking for a job... I already have a job. You have me confused with someone else.

Also, my receptivity and so on is the same as it has always been... but it's typical of you to say something flattering... i.e. that my abilities have just improved while in the same breath saying something insulting like my recent illuminations are from my imagination and are not psychic... typical Fore. lol







I recall that now that you remind me of it.

Did you move out or something after January or December? I noticed it back then that your presence receded in it's intensity for some strange reason. (almost a 90% decrease in intensity vs your current 130~150% increase since before)


I believe it is only related to your receptivity/sensitivity and psychic functions having increased.

I am a little bit interested to figure out why you are more prominent now than back then.



Perhaps it has to do with something you did to yourself, your field is much more noticeable than before when you came back. Perhaps that has to do with the strange unconscious input traversing your mind. (background noise? increases in uncontrolled imagination?)

I recall the last sensations that came from your direction were something about working. (as in a job) I took the reception decrease and the sensations meant you moved somewhere else and went looking for steady employment or something.

A99
08-19-2012, 01:33 AM
I don't know if Pont started yet but the stuff I just posted has nothing to do with the proposed experiment.


Approaching high strangeness, I see.

From about 12:00 AM CEST to just about now I got a wavering, additional tone in the left ear (like the first one in Montalk's eartone_alien.mp3), in addition to the tinnitus, plus occasional "pings" (weak ones) in the right one. I thought Pontif was already setting up the network, or maybe profiling me so I thought it useful to do an activation as well while it lasted. (Still no idea if it actually works.)

Hmm... I got the additional tone again a few minutes ago.

Edit: May I ask who's scanning me?

pontificator
08-19-2012, 01:36 AM
Edit: May I ask who's scanning me?

*queue spooky music* Not me...

Fore
08-19-2012, 04:00 AM
Approaching high strangeness, I see.

From about 12:00 AM CEST to just about now I got a wavering, additional tone in the left ear (like the first one in Montalk's eartone_alien.mp3), in addition to the tinnitus, plus occasional "pings" (weak ones) in the right one. I thought Pontif was already setting up the network, or maybe profiling me so I thought it useful to do an activation as well while it lasted. (Still no idea if it actually works.)

Hmm... I got the additional tone again a few minutes ago.


Edit: May I ask who's scanning me?Not me either, not capable of it at the moment.

Your midnight GMT +2(12:00am) is roughly 4pm my time. GMT-6

So your event happened at 4:00pm my time. Mine happened at 2:00pm through just after 3:00pm. So about 1 hour of difference? Interesting. Mine sounded just like the mp3 that Montalk posted as well.

Perhaps one of the guests (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/online.php) that frequent the board figured out how to do it? Certainly not my imagination on my end, at least.

Neuru
08-19-2012, 10:40 AM
Perhaps one of the guests (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/online.php) that frequent the board figured out how to do it? Certainly not my imagination on my end, at least.
Lol, well I hope they enjoyed it.:p Or it's blood flow anomalies on my part, or I've just developed some more tinnitus.

pontificator
08-19-2012, 12:11 PM
Ahhh, now this is an interesting development. I mentioned a little while back that I'd noticed my field, on occasion, flux at a given rate [this first started happening when Montalk appeared again, so I'll put it down as something else looking in], well it happened again today with a few differences.

1) Pressure build-up, which is normal, but this was a hard steady pressure.
2) The field began fluctuating at a much higher rate, I'd say roughly 4 to 6 waves a second [much like a zig-zag sine-wave in effect.]
3) I felt an inconsistent fine line of static electricity trace from the crown to the right side above the ear, which was very different.
4) There was the sensation of something exterior being wrapped and pulled a bit, manipulated, before being released afterwards.
5) I seem to have a slight degree more field strength, there is also something else I cannot place my finger on, but I know it is there [I'll find out a bit more later, will need to investigate what happened there.]

Just in case it was an entity I also told it to take a run and jump into the abyss [well, properly, with far more appropriate words]... it didn't seem to make it flinch, so my thoughts were that it was probably a physical entity [that is my impression.]

@Fore, insights? Possibilities of the types of developments I should expect?

Neuru
08-19-2012, 02:54 PM
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Also, @Agent99, one possible, probably partial explanation (strictly IMO) for the recent increase in strangeness and your psychic activation level is that discussion between members includes focusing on what each other said, which essentially means focusing on each other. If I'm right, that's enough for what Fore calls "lines of association" to form. Add to this that Montalk, Pontif and you are all psychic to various extents, plus Fore no doubt has "someone's" attention perpetually aimed at him and you can guess what happens. I think it's raw influence leaking to others through focused attention and that in turn invites "things" that feed off that, be they benevolent, malevolent or neutral.

Regarding attention on someone else leaking influence to them, I might have had something like that happen almost a month ago, namely that I had an interesting symbolic dream and when I woke up I went to check my email, and *bam* there was a message from Montalk that arrived just around the time I woke up, which implies that he was writing it while I had that dream. I'll PM this or put it somewhere else if anyone's interested.

A99
08-19-2012, 03:02 PM
I concur Neuru... I wondered about that myself. (in regards to your comments @a99)

Fore
08-19-2012, 07:24 PM
Ahhh, now this is an interesting development. I mentioned a little while back that I'd noticed my field, on occasion, flux at a given rate [this first started happening when Montalk appeared again, so I'll put it down as something else looking in], well it happened again today with a few differences.

1) Pressure build-up, which is normal, but this was a hard steady pressure.
2) The field began fluctuating at a much higher rate, I'd say roughly 4 to 6 waves a second [much like a zig-zag sine-wave in effect.]
3) I felt an inconsistent fine line of static electricity trace from the crown to the right side above the ear, which was very different.
4) There was the sensation of something exterior being wrapped and pulled a bit, manipulated, before being released afterwards.
5) I seem to have a slight degree more field strength, there is also something else I cannot place my finger on, but I know it is there [I'll find out a bit more later, will need to investigate what happened there.] Fortunately it is all very normal.

You remind me of my 12 to 14 year old self. It is, as if, I wrote it myself. I thought you would have psychically matured a bit more by now. Either way, you are probably ahead of most other psychics in your development so "no biggie". I guess structures require a bit of time to "unfold"?

(By the way, I am still looking for a good idea on how to artificially increase influence affinity [control].


Just in case it was an entity I also told it to take a run and jump into the abyss [well, properly, with far more appropriate words]... it didn't seem to make it flinch, so my thoughts were that it was probably a physical entity [that is my impression.] It is quite the litmus test, heh.


@Fore, insights? Possibilities of the types of developments I should expect? First, lets go over the 5 points.

Fore
08-19-2012, 07:56 PM
1) Pressure build-up, which is normal, but this was a hard steady pressure. It means you went from a relatively inactive state to an activated state. Something either triggered this state change [by merging fields or exterior activation techniques] or something attempted to access your anatomy.

(As my instructions detailed on Emergent vs Non-Emergent targeting and Mind Reading techniques).

If I take in all five points rather than individual, it sounds like someone "scanned" you very intensely, which cause an activation routine to trigger and which resulted in your fields reordering themselves.

Points 2 and 3 are a result of your field restructuring itself.
Either A) through an issued Directive or Cognitive Command *you* or *some foreign someone* else issued at your psychic field, or

B) because someone else was present and merged with your field and that triggered the reflexive activation. (possibly more in the paranormal encounter category)

If you did not experience any psychic input (as in a conversation of telepathy), then, there is a high likelihood that someone accessed your mind and read content from it. (likely Active Mind Reading)

But it is all wild speculation since I don't know exactly what happened at your end. (sensation you experienced etc.)


2) The field began fluctuating at a much higher rate, I'd say roughly 4 to 6 waves a second [much like a zig-zag sine-wave in effect.] Perfectly normal for a re-ordering influence field. It should feel like waves of invisible charges were moving from one area to another, sometimes they tend to exit the periphery of the head area and *snap* and arc like a miniature version of an influence lighting bold. As that happens (and usually just before it begins to emerge from the head) the fluids in your head will go against their vascular pressures and move to other areas causing the high pitched whine.

You might also experience invisible tugging forces around the periphery of your head as influence fields try to move from one area to another. I'd liken it to an invisible bundle that when it becomes free form other entanglements it snaps free and discharges like a tiny bolt.

As things complete their reorganizing process your head should feel like it has an invisible set of protruding structures. Sometimes these structures can be felt with your hand if you pass it over them.

You'll notice that as you do, your head might hurt a little as you are blocking a venting point for your internal influence field [IFM] (or in your case it would be an immature T-IFM)


3) I felt an inconsistent fine line of static electricity trace from the crown to the right side above the ear, which was very different. Yes, that is perfectly normal.

Some people I have experimented with (human) say it sometimes feels like an invisible liquid dripping down their face or cheek. Others say it is a psychic wind that brushes across their face and their hair suddenly moves by itself as it snaps and releases a burst of their influence.

A few are more like me that said they saw static shocks, see/feel [physically] invisible waves coming off them. Some of those few had a similar problem like mine that their hair tends to part at the venting points on their head/skull.

It was rare for any of them to see any small reddening of the skin over specific points like mine. (internal sub-surface lacerations as I now assume it to be.)

The arcing from the crown is a good sign that you still don't have the EFM structure at the top of your head. That EFM structure (when it eventually forms) should restructure your field and allow you to control your abilities externally.


4) There was the sensation of something exterior being wrapped and pulled a bit, manipulated, before being released afterwards. Yeah, influence surging out as it cleans out the vents as in point 3 and 2. There is no control structure at the moment so it will leak in surges depending on how your inner influence supply is being fed through your system.

Out of all the members you seem to be the most similar to me. I wonder how Montalk and A99 and Nueru are when they reach this level?


5) I seem to have a slight degree more field strength, there is also something else I cannot place my finger on, but I know it is there [I'll find out a bit more later, will need to investigate what happened there.]

Yeah, if you silence your mind carefully, after the activation, you should sense extra feedback in your mind. It should give you positional awareness as to where your exterior fields are.

Pay attention to your cognitive feedback routines and build them up. It will give you an indication if your biological mapping was done correctly or if you need to make some manual adjustments.

After that comes the calibration routines for your ESP to make sure you get high level of coherency in feedback routines.

Fore
08-19-2012, 10:13 PM
I concur Neuru... I wondered about that myself. (in regards to your comments @a99)

@ A99

By the way, I noticed you changed your avatar. I assume it was to deter a line of association from forming?

In the "line of association", the actual data that creates the association is the "psychic signature" itself of the other person. The associative idea linked to that unique signature, in the imprint left behind in a person mind, is equivalent to someones psychic ID.

In other words.
Basically, when I think "of you", your *psychic signature* as "I remember it" is your Personal ID to a psychic [like me]. So if I tell my abilities to do something relative to your ID, then the higher components like my Higher Mind knows what I am referring to.

Your name itself, without the psychic signature is relatively useless. There has to be intermediary associations that translate from one mind set to the other. So is the avatar with your picture on it. It would only help the lower mind to form a mental association of who you are. The higher mind would only see a picture reference that doesn't mean much to it. The same is true for a name.

A higher mind complex inside of a person works and associates information differently than that of the lower mind. It's architecture is formed differently than the one that is formed around a persons biology.

There are alot of complex nuances in this topic that would be very hard to write out. Just keep in mind that your lower mind is a composite system. If you turn off different aspects of the brain then you'd find a name contains no relative information.

It is all the other bits of information indexed *with that name* that (in the lower mind) that gives it some meaning.

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So if you pass a reference to your higher mind and that reference isn't understood, the psychic components attached to the higher mind won't act without a clue as to what you are targeting.

The only exception is if you train your higher mind to absorb certain information for which you can create short hand references.

There are also other larger components that you guys haven't yet been introduced to. It is a series of complex points that are very numerous to touch on. The only one I have noted whom has touched the topic is probably Montalk.



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Demons leave behind markers in a persons field and body in order to find them again. They don't typically find people by their name, or how they look or even where they live.

They leave behind a piece [influence] of themselves inside the bodies of their victims in order to "sense" where the target is in relative position to themselves in "Influence space".

When they want to visit, they simply sense the piece of themselves and follow it to the destination. If they left someone in Sydney Australia, when they next visit that person they might be in Tokyo Japan.

To some of the spirituals, spacetime is not experienced in the same way as you or I do.

You and I only vividly experience spacetime thanks to our biological bodies and lower mind that are inherently embedded into spacetime.

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It's all about pragmatic conventions being used. Some things are non-obvious to psychics when they perform targeting at a distance. Many seemingly assume they are dealing with standard physical space when they actually aren't.

Carissa
08-20-2012, 12:16 AM
A while back I wrote about a white-ish smokey substance that forms when I release my influence in large concentrated doses. (mostly for venting it from my body)

Though the influence concentration is _pretty dense_....the intensity creates a white-ish vapor like substance that appears to momentarily appear (to the naked eye) and then disappears as it loses cohesion.

From my point of view, I have always assumed that the Influence "flux points" in these overly dense influence manifestations are so closely packed together that the resultant transient phenomena is a physical anomaly.

It does not fall to the ground as a substance but disappears as it loses its cohesion. Mainly because the properties that the influence structure is composed of lacks the isolation properties that makes an influence phenomena coherent and self sustaining.

Basically, the influence "flux points" lose cohesion very quickly because it is an unstable pattern. (Not consciously designed and programmed for self sustained properties. It makes objects move and shake but it doesn't form a stable mass.



Hi Fore....first post here. (I joined due to Montalk's recommendation of this forum.) He brought my attention to your post in this thread, since what you describe of the "white-ish vapor like substance" seems to be a match for a strange phenomena that I witnessed of my brother years back. People who know me or my writings/website know that my brother was a strange one, long story there (in a nutshell, an abductee or MILAB of some sort, mucho paranormal stuff surrounding him in life going back to when he was a toddler, and by the time he was back in my life in California and Portland from 2000-2002, when he was 19-21 years old, he was under the heavy influence of "something else" and wasn't himself anymore...) But there was something I witnessed while roommating with him in Portland Oregon in early 2002 that I've never had an explanation for, let alone any sort of corroboration about, until now maybe. Here's how I described it:

"Joe had a peculiar “skill” you could say that he demonstrated for me in Portland. He could breathe smoke out of his mouth on demand…even when he wasn’t smoking. He’d get those glassy eyes and weird smirk as he demonstrated, turning sideways…then slowly exhaling. Cloudy smoke would emit from his mouth.

“Do it again!” I’d say, amazed. And he would…and it always worked, without fail. I’d never heard of such a thing, and didn’t think much of it. Only several years later with the realization of who Joe really was did this creep me out in retrospect. When I ran it by Tom [montalk] he suggested something along the lines of “ectoplasm,” some kind of non-human entity or energetic manifestation or something."


So yes, Joe was a smoker, but he could continually generate this white misty smoke stuff on demand long after his last cigarette. The quantity was too large for normal cigarette smoke exhalation (especially hours after one's last smoke....) and didn't actually look entirely like cigarette smoke. It was like what you describe - this white smoky misty vapor, which would disappear shortly after exhalation - though you didn't say where on your body this white-ish vapor would emanate from so I could be mistaken in thinking this is the same phenomena you describe. The look in his eyes as he did it indicated something creepy and woo woo was amiss. By that point in early 2002 he always had the creepy "possessed" glassy eyes and weird smirk thing going on it seemed, talking as if something else was speaking through him. (I permanently parted ways with him shortly after he demonstrated this latest "smoke exhalation on demand" ability to me, for a number of other reasons though, not that.)

Anyway, just wanted to contribute this anecdote that's remained a mystery for 10 years now but maybe now has a valid explanation. If he was under the influence of extra-dimensional "stuff" it probably makes sense that he would be able to generate this sort of material.

montalk
08-20-2012, 02:03 AM
@Fore / Pontif:

Can the line of association be formed by an anonymous guest to a known forum member, without the member previously knowing (of) this guest?

And if so, would that line of association allow the member to then more easily sense, trace, scan, and even influence the guest in return?

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@Neuru: I didn't scan you either. My bet is on non-human entities (not visible even as guests) keeping an eye on the newly developing dynamic here, maybe scanning weaknesses, tendencies, dangers, and probabilities they find relevant.

Fore
08-20-2012, 03:41 AM
@Fore / Pontif:

Can the line of association be formed by an anonymous guest to a known forum member, without the member previously knowing (of) this guest? Correct, and yes. ;)

(By the way, this applies to Non-Terrestrials, Spirituals, and any other forms of intelligences you guys have never directly met or know of. Any reading here should know enough about us that they don't even require a speaking role or even a first post. )

The same is inversely [^Red Flag event] true...my mind went blank...LOL.

That is a nice trick guys, lol @ ET.

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Unsuccessful...hopefully it will wear off in a bit.

There are two topics I want to talk about. It feels like my head has an excess charge of influence that wasn't there before. It feels like there is a discharge that is somehow disrupting my thought process.

My thinking skills are not impacted but my ability to recall events is severely impacted. Like a brain fog of sorts but not a "biological origin" sensation. It is induced artificially, I have felt it before when I won't stop going over a topic with someone. It is obviously induced from what I can sense.

@ The entity that is doing it,

I assume you (alertness just shot through my mind) can "read" what I am seeing and thinking. I am letting you know that whatever techniques you apply will be written about publicly. Which means I will be scrutinizing the process and potentially delving into it.

Perhaps it would be more intelligent to resort (pressure increase) to other methods which are not noticeable or publicly aired.

Assuming you are an ET, and from the looks of your control you are, your supervisor will be greatly displeased that you allowed such a situation to happen (cold tingling running on my left side).

I will make sure that it becomes part of the review process. (whoa that was a reaction) Prepare yourself for that. You should know better than to perform so sloppily.

Edit: My abilities turned on by themselves again. Time is 8:57pm CST on 8/19/2012.

Edit 2: Checked time on computer, clock was off by three minutes, second presence seemed to replace the first. Chances are it was a supervisor. I guess hes not in trouble after all.

Edit 3: Second presence checked in only for a moment, seemed to leave after a minute or two. I don't sense anyone but my head is buzzing with an influence field even though I didn't turn it on myself.

Fore
08-20-2012, 04:27 AM
Edit 2: Checked time on computer, clock was off by three minutes, second presence seemed to replace the first. Chances are it was a supervisor. I guess hes not in trouble after all.

Edit 3: Second presence checked in only for a moment, seemed to leave after a minute or two. I don't sense anyone but my head is buzzing with an influence field even though I didn't turn it on myself.

By the way, I am referring a second person taking a look through the psychic connection. (Remote Presence) Not a "in person" presence on the ground.

What I learned, well what I already know, that they use my abilities to remotely connect to me. By activating my abilities remotely and turning my abilities on. I already knew that much.

The other point is that they can seemingly "sense" what is happening in real time once they look over the "red flag event" that has occurred. So this means there is some kind of autonomy in "whatever" keeps the "monitoring process" going. I know I am not monitoring myself, so there must be something embedded inside me which does it for me. The question is where and how it works.

But this reaction was pretty fast, less than 3 minutes to react. I guess they have been watching since yesterday or the day before.

I also confirmed (already knew that) the other guy can read my thoughts and mental expressions in real time.

What I didn't know for sure was IF it is a two way street. When they connect to me, I seem to connect to them. So I can monitor them and they can monitor me.

As you guys/gals know, they disconnected me from the "ET network" when I was poking my nose in there for too long and listening in. And here I am, connected once again. heh

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Another thing is that the entity seemed to be concerned or afraid that it might have dropped the ball when I mentioned the supervisor and a review. So I guess they really don't want to mess this up.

I think my memory is starting to work again, might need another hour or so for the effect to clear off.

Fore
08-20-2012, 04:54 AM
I just issued a psychic directive for the injection of influence to stop. It went through just fine and my head area went down a few notches in psychic activity. Though the charged spot near the center of my head that I previously described seemed to still be active despite my directive.

Also when I turned down the psychic output, I noticed Grey patterns in my field.

Seems that the other guy on the connection was Grey. (matches with the behavior of a Area Wide Monitor)

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I haven't tried yet to disable the charged center, but that made me wonder. Do they inject influence into me in order to turn me psychically "on"? Or do they simply control the field and issue the commands?

The Grey patterns in my field were probably from the fields merging. Which is a giveaway that the monitor literally was reading my thoughts and processes in real time. A sort of confirmation. I wonder how they target though.

What is the source of the "line of association" formed from that makes it easy to lock on to someone whom is inactive from a distance?? Does the Grey monitor have me "on file" somewhere or am I always emitting?

Or it is that this "?device?process?" that seemingly autonomously keeps a watch relaying the info on an "as needed" basis?

@ Pontif

You know something about network topology right?

If you were a Grey how would you set up a system to keep track of your cattle...err I mean human subjects? Based on the clues there seem to be so far at least.(Serious answer only please!)

Fore
08-20-2012, 05:26 AM
@Fore / Pontif:

Can the line of association be formed by an anonymous guest to a known forum member, without the member previously knowing (of) this guest? Yes,

For your information on the capabilities of such a talent, ET's can monitor up to hundreds of people at a time. I know it "seems" impossible from the human frame of reference, but it is anything but impossible.

They showed me how and I employed it myself. They can look over quite a few more from what I can remember. The whole trick to it is to organize information that you receive over a broad spectrum of individuals. Sorting and presenting the information intelligently is what they [the ET] teach you to do in practice runs.

With your abilities they teach you how to associate groups and categories of people together [^ Red Flag event Sigh...] so you can figure out whom is associate with whom. On ideas, or relationships, or similar thought processes, background communications etc.

When you see that massive amount of ESP information in a nicely presented format in your head you can sum up a great number of people in separate interactive categories. Treating everyone like a relational map full of similar values rather than people.

...I remember now what I was going to write....time is 10:18pm.

Notes to write about: Cognition and spatial relationships with ESP. Different levels of assisted sensory experience and ESP/Biology Mapping examples. Provide samples of why ESP maps unto lower cognitive functions. Extend conversation into ESP and its relationship on targeting. Talk about Influence Space, the non-3D version. Differentiate on default [human] lower mind conceptions of Influence Space and those of the ET.

Edit: Huh...I just noticed that charged center lost its charge. Coincidence that my memory returned? Total time for the effect to wear off (~8:40pm to 10:20~) is about 1 hour and 40 minutes.

pontificator
08-20-2012, 05:42 AM
@ Pontif

You know something about network topology right?

If you were a Grey how would you set up a system to keep track of your cattle...err I mean human subjects? Based on the clues there seem to be so far at least.(Serious answer only please!)

The beings concerned are hierarchically based from what I've seen so far, this would suggest a certain methodology concerning cells/groups of beings based on a modular topology. This topology could consist of a supervisor and 5/X units [Greys, Nordics, whatever.] It would largely be determined by the multitasking capabilities of the given being, the size of a typical installation/ship, and the resources assigned to them.

Now, typically a hierarchy is expressed in a similar format for a given target group where active control and monitoring is concerned. In batch testing I'd expect groups to consist of similar influence fields with similar affinity, mainly from the point of view of simplicity of experimental control. Now, lets get into network topology with this in mind.

The biggest thing about monitoring elements on the network is making sure that you can drill drown through information efficiently, and that the information is collected and correlated in nodes. A better method of collecting individual information is to have a monitoring tool installed directly into the operating system of a given node, or in this case I'd plug it directly into the higher-mind itself with an interconnect leading to a metaphysical probe in the body.

Utilizing this structure it would be possible to gather physical information directly into a system at the higher mind level, and that system would flag interesting physical features from the probe, and the higher mind component would flag higher mind related issues. Given that he probe system could be operating decoupled from time it would be possible to run a sweeping diagnostics test of these probes through an extremely complex machine. That system could then be used for raising alerts with other individuals that have been flagged as the administrators/units responsible for checking the red flags.

This would account for the lag time somewhat in terms of the Grey wading through his alert list for the moment, and then spotting something that looks interesting.

So, we have humans organized into a category of type, that category has a set of probes to a monitoring system. Users of that system receive condensed/terse information from it, and investigate. Each category has an overall administrator for a given set of groups, and then you have groups of groups and so on. Theoretically there would also be an interlink between the group supervisors, and their supervisors and so on. This would also explain the stepping on toes effect when a human moves from one jurisdiction to another.

As to the branching method, whether it is star topology or some other non-star based system, I cannot speculate on link quantity or the amount of nodes in a given topological group. I'd need to actually run a scan and analysis on the actual ET network to determine that [tribes/businesses tend to follow a 10 max, 10 max, 5 max, 1 max pattern from what I've seen.]

Fore
08-20-2012, 05:49 AM
The relationship map looks something like this (only presented in your mental):

http://linksviewer.com/free/view/Map.htm?map=rel&inv=Thiel,Peter&submit=Relational+map&fontsize=22&rel_minlink=1,2

When it is presented like this, you can keep all your ducks in a row (mentally) and keep in mind how an entire community changes as time goes on. They (the ET) use it to keep track of changes within a network of people. (A quantified community of sorts)

They then move around situations like changing variables in a landscape. They are generally much more capable of handling large volumes of information on a mental level so it barely breaks a sweat for them.

For example, if a person chats with another person (non-publicly) they can see those changes in the associative map in their heads. They key up the values on that individual and can then read the general content on that individual and predict what the next series of changes may become.

If they decide the content of the message or individual or event is harmful to their agenda they will look through the mental map of people they know the values for, and like a machine, pick the corrective set of actions.

The coincidences stem from that sort of controlling behavior they always exhibit (Mostly Grey in my case...but they all do it to some extent).

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Sifting through the wide scope of people they often leave behind traces when they scan individuals. They often update their models every few months. On individuals they pay close attention to it can be every few hours.

There is also something more to say...i know I probably should not even mention it. Next post.

Fore
08-20-2012, 06:20 AM
Let me put it this way, I just mentioned that they can do this on up to hundreds of individuals at the same time. Actually anyone human can as well. I know because I did it with them over more than 10 years.

But the next part is better presented to you as a "What if" rather than a statement.
The reason is because I know they are going to get nervous if I talk about it in public.

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Imagine you have 5 individuals. Lets give them real names.

A99, Fore, Pontif, Nueru, Arkki.

Now lets say that you establish a line of association with each one and you form a basic network. What should stand out as obvious is that you can eventually share information between each of the other 5 members.

What if, you did it without them knowing? (For surveillance purposes)

What if, you can read the values in the fields of those 5 people with almost no effort?

What if, you had a vested interest in certain issues not coming up for discussion?

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Well in this network of 5 people, you can change the influence field values of each of the 5 members without ever having spoken to any of them. Nor having made them aware that you exist, you can keep tabs on how those influence values generated from their body change in each individual with each conversation they have with one another.

When 2 of the 5 have a conversation with one another in private, you already know what the content of those messages are. Even if the other 3 of the other 5 do not.

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Sometimes when conducting scans, they can accidentally leave behind "information" gathered from 1 of the other 4 members. Like say a conversation. That embedded information (true story, I swear) can sometimes show up in another persons head as an idea. The ET refer to this mistake, a sort of cross contamination.

Sometimes, Even when precautions are followed through, the cross contamination occurs when individuals are linked together without their knowing it. What happens in one corner, sometimes spreads to the other corner without any rhyme or reason to those affected.

What if, I told you it wasn't always an unintentional event?

What if, I said it sometimes it is a side effect that occurs because they rewrite field patterns over a wide array of individuals and they sometimes (rather incompetently) leave some bits from one end on the other.

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Lets go from 5 to 50 or 500.

For example, the groups that receive so called "channelings" from the ET, (GFOL, FOL etc) often might pick up tid bits that weren't supposed to be spread. You might accidentally find that as wide messages propagate on their ad-hoc human psychic networks, little errors in the propagation spread over [supposedly] disconnected groups of people.

Often the Little Errors over a wide area tend to lead people to the assumption that the information "must be true" if different [supposedly] disconnected sources report the same details without there being a conventional connection (that they know of at least) between them.

Mistakes happen? Synchronicity happens? Shhh...;)

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It may be worth your time to check that there aren't any interesting sets of common synchronicity between you all.

Also keep in mind, the influence values can not only be viewed, but they can also be changed.

Fore
08-20-2012, 06:31 AM
And if so, would that line of association allow the member to then more easily sense, trace, scan, and even influence the guest in return?

--Yes to your second question.

Only you would not know the anonymous individual by their name or their picture (or voice etc). You would only know them though a "influence signature" sensation as they connect to you.

If they merge their field, they will leave behind a trace (a "psychic stain") in your field. With that you can track them as much as you are tracked.

The only ones whom can limit that kind of tracking are the ET as they are pretty good at covering it up in so many ways when they don't want you to sense anything. Usually they do it softly enough that your cognition won't pick it up as an event. Therefore you won't notice and therefore you won't be aware of it having happened.

Only very sensitive people are fully aware of what their psychic fields properties actually are.

Funny that your question fit in so well into tonight events...hmm <shrug>

Ditto for Pontif, he wrote pretty much something very similar in his analysis at almost the same time.

pontificator
08-20-2012, 06:49 AM
Hmmmm... here is a little project, make a automated ET detection system for each member, system raises a flag when this is happening and alerts all other members to that signature... it would accelerate our ability to run experiments on different beings ;)

Fore
08-20-2012, 09:25 AM
Hi Fore....first post here. <Shakes hands> Nice to meet you, Carissa.


(I joined due to Montalk's recommendation of this forum.) He brought my attention to your post in this thread, since what you describe of the "white-ish vapor like substance"

695 Image courtesy of the BBC. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/guides/weird/ghosts/pages/bridge.shtml)

Sort of looks like this (not the best example for the white-ish vapor, but close enough, I guess.



[...]Here's how I described it:

"Joe had a peculiar “skill” you could say that he demonstrated for me in Portland. He could breathe smoke out of his mouth on demand…even when he wasn’t smoking. He’d get those glassy eyes and weird smirk as he demonstrated, turning sideways…then slowly exhaling. Cloudy smoke would emit from his mouth. I have seen the non-paranormal version of that.

Some kid I knew when I was much younger had a trick that he could hold his breath for a prolonged period of time and vapor would come out of his lungs. I think he used to hold his breath and compress his air in his lungs, what resulted was a brief condensation of water vapor of some sort. It would only last about 2 or 3 seconds.

How he did it was beyond me, but it was a purely non-paranormal event.

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I am guessing you saw something much different than that because you mentioned how his attention span changed (glassy eyes).

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“Do it again!” I’d say, amazed. And he would…and it always worked, without fail. I’d never heard of such a thing, and didn’t think much of it. Only several years later with the realization of who Joe really was did this creep me out in retrospect. When I ran it by Tom [montalk] he suggested something along the lines of “ectoplasm,” some kind of non-human entity or energetic manifestation or something." It might be, I can imagine he might have vented his personal influence into his lungs which is pretty easy to do. Though to vent that level of concentrations through his lungs would...probably not be a safe thing to do.

Venting influence when you exhalation is not all that hard. I think (if I recall correctly) mystics often employ it in their breathing exercise routines.


So yes, Joe was a smoker, but he could continually generate this white misty smoke stuff on demand long after his last cigarette. The quantity was too large for normal cigarette smoke exhalation (especially hours after one's last smoke....) and didn't actually look entirely like cigarette smoke. Yeah the white substance I refered to looks completely different than normal smoke. I dunno what exactly it is, but it doesn't have a normal quality to it.

Plus the ESP signature on the smoke is incredibly sense. Water vapor doesn't have that kind of signature....Deja Vu. I recall reviewing the writing of this segment of my post in my sleep a number of months ago. Someone was telling me something about what I would write in my sleep and pre-played the moment I just had. Haven't had a Deja Vu moment in quite a while.


It was like what you describe - this white smoky misty vapor, which would disappear shortly after exhalation - though you didn't say where on your body this white-ish vapor would emanate from so I could be mistaken in thinking this is the same phenomena you describe. In my case, I don't breathe it out. Though I know how to vent influence through breathing.

I usually vent it throughout my body. Mainly through my head (top and sides of the head) and through two venting points between the shoulder blades and my spine on either side. The vents in my back delivers influence to my external fields when they are active and in use.

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But to answer your question, where have I seen that white-ish vapor before? One of the vents (the left side) through which I release influence is somewhat damaged. The left vent situated in my back is approximately 2 inches wide by 4 to 6 inches long. The shape is an elongated oval that stretches incongruently downward.

You can think of it like a gaping hole in my psychic body. Some phantoms in the past took turns in sticking their hands into me and would try to pull out my influence through it. Long story short, they would cause my left lung, chest and heart to cramp up when they did that.

They were trying to reach in and (successfully) would touch one of the main paths that influence would run through on my left side.

As a result there is contamination in my left side that is slowly being cleaned out. The hole extends to the front of my chest. It is smaller in the front of my chest. (only about 1 by 1/2 inch or so.)

Due to this abuse, one of my main influence paths that runs close to that whole is constantly getting contaminated and it loses cohesion and expands to cover the entire left side of my chest. When it does so, it begins to leak influence through the hole [front and back] uncontrollably.

In the past, turning "on" my abilities would increase the flow rate and would cause the hemorrhaging of influence to become rather large. When the flow rate [injection rate for influence] was increased to use one or more of my abilities, the excess would shoot out on my left side both in the front and (mostly) back into the environment.

That would then unwittingly allow the spiritual entities of all types to soak it in. (not my best moment in life)

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This excessive discharge has continued to this day. I was until recently, forced to discharge (vent) my influence in order to clean it out on my left side. The entities were removed by force thanks to God. But the profuse leaking still continued. As I got older, my abilities continued to develop and they got heavier and more dense.

I kept holding back my influence supply to force it to turn off. Which seems to be condensing it.

When I would lay down, the leaking influence was like a gushing pipe. Strong enough to make me feel pain if I cover up the hole by laying flat. Though, I am used to the pain. When I would lay down flat, the force of the released influence would soak directly into the mattress and rebounds against the wood beneath the bed. It also fills the bed full of foreign contaminants that I pick up throughout the day.

This made sleeping difficult because of all the "side effects" on how it makes you "feel" if your are sleeping on a proverbial "sponge" soaked with your own influence and all the other foreign influence in the environment. So I had a creative spark and decided to sleep at different angles on the bed. I slept extremely well. I noticed though that after a few days, each spot would become overly charged and would result in having to move to a new spot or angle. (Something I still practice to this day)

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Eventually, I rotated through all the positions I could. And the bed became so charged that it wouldn't take any more.

One some days, my influence surges and other days it troughs. Well on that day it was surging pretty intensely.

So I laid down to get some sleep and when I did so the bed shook from the intensity of the influence being pushed into the bed. At the time I did not know what was causing the shaking. I looked over at the headboard and noticed a white substance shooting up from the bed. A white-ish mist that showed up in ESP as an immensely large pulse of concentrated influence.

I was puzzled as to what caused it and the shaking. (Sometimes I am also oblivious)

I did not sense any presence from the white-ish cloudy structure as it rose and dissipated. (and obviously I wouldn't since it was coming from me)

Without knowing the cause, days later, I eventually put my hand down on the bed and concentrated on venting the influence inside it and the bed was as good as new. I have been doing the changes in position every few days so I don't saturate any one part.

I have also figured out a way to clean my field without venting in the standard sense.

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Recently, during surges in my field, I noticed my seat was shaking when I sat down at the computer. I thought it was some truck passing outside or some one walking by (very) heavy footed, but I noticed that when I turned up my influence the shaking would increase.

I noticed that I could control the shaking by fluctuating my field level and that was when I made the connection between the shaking and my field. It keeps getting denser.

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Years ago, I was doing performing a routine healing on one of my family members, and I noticed that they were not venting influence like normal. So I took control of their influence and it pooled under their skull cap as I tried to clear the issue. Some foreign influence was preventing normal circulation of their field.

So I pulled a little harder and (they felt every inch of it) the pressure came out all at once as a white-ish mist from the top of their head. Their hair and skin moved as the pressure wave passed through. Almost as if the tissue itself was attracted to the high concentration.

Again the white-ish mist had the same ESP signature and form even back then.

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Those are the three instances I can recall off the top of my head.

Fore
08-20-2012, 09:34 AM
The look in his eyes as he did it indicated something creepy and woo woo was amiss. By that point in early 2002 he always had the creepy "possessed" glassy eyes and weird smirk thing going on it seemed, talking as if something else was speaking through him. Glassy eyes might be that he was concentrating and placing his attention on another level.

Some people say that when I using my abilities heavily (like combining more than 4 psychic functions at the same time) that I look like I am distracted or faraway.

In my case, it is usually that it takes attention away from what you are physically doing. You have to pretty much divide your attention between two different processes.

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As for someone else talking through him, <shrug> who knows, maybe he got possessed by something?



(I permanently parted ways with him shortly after he demonstrated this latest "smoke exhalation on demand" ability to me, for a number of other reasons though, not that.) A creepy trick I would bet.


Anyway, just wanted to contribute this anecdote that's remained a mystery for 10 years now but maybe now has a valid explanation. If he was under the influence of extra-dimensional "stuff" it probably makes sense that he would be able to generate this sort of material.Probably can, did he have any other skills that might shed some light on his talents?

Any peculiarities?

pontificator
08-20-2012, 01:49 PM
You might also experience invisible tugging forces around the periphery of your head as influence fields try to move from one area to another. I'd liken it to an invisible bundle that when it becomes free form other entanglements it snaps free and discharges like a tiny bolt.

As things complete their reorganizing process your head should feel like it has an invisible set of protruding structures. Sometimes these structures can be felt with your hand if you pass it over them.

You'll notice that as you do, your head might hurt a little as you are blocking a venting point for your internal influence field [IFM] (or in your case it would be an immature T-IFM)

Some people I have experimented with (human) say it sometimes feels like an invisible liquid dripping down their face or cheek. Others say it is a psychic wind that brushes across their face and their hair suddenly moves by itself as it snaps and releases a burst of their influence.

The arcing from the crown is a good sign that you still don't have the EFM structure at the top of your head. That EFM structure (when it eventually forms) should restructure your field and allow you to control your abilities externally.

Yeah, influence surging out as it cleans out the vents as in point 3 and 2. There is no control structure at the moment so it will leak in surges depending on how your inner influence supply is being fed through your system.

Yeah, if you silence your mind carefully, after the activation, you should sense extra feedback in your mind. It should give you positional awareness as to where your exterior fields are.

Pay attention to your cognitive feedback routines and build them up. It will give you an indication if your biological mapping was done correctly or if you need to make some manual adjustments.

After that comes the calibration routines for your ESP to make sure you get high level of coherency in feedback routines.

I've taken note of all this, it'll be interesting to see what happens, although the effect has largely worn off for the moment. I have, however, been attempting to replicate it, and seem to get about a third the way, but can't quite get the field flux bit going [that is, in my opinion, my trip point.]

Curiously I already had the liquid liquid effect, and the sense of protrusions [quite commonly ;)], but blocking them did not cause so much pain as it did a simple loss of feedback [like covering an ear.] I suspect I've been running the field in a non-standard way, given the mix of effects, and now I'm seeing the "correct" way of doing it.

When you think about it I must have been doing this all largely using just the IFM, I must be pretty bloody dangerous with an EMF ;) Perhaps they are aware of that too...

A99
08-20-2012, 04:44 PM
Brilliant idea Pont! The mesh cross-platform eyeballs of that mechanism would be able to penetrate the ET’s nano-stealth shielding modulation whereby incubating its theoretical-signature to fulminate those antigen particle-clones embedded within it. As soon as this is accomplished, we then move into the second phase of this process where those fulminated particles are then released into a subspace in our brain whereby triggering the detection systems red flag pop-up algorithm to effect positive identification of the ET who has invaded our ‘Influence Space’.


Hmmmm... here is a little project, make a automated ET detection system for each member, system raises a flag when this is happening and alerts all other members to that signature... it would accelerate our ability to run experiments on different beings ;)

Fore
08-20-2012, 06:33 PM
Brilliant idea Pont! The mesh cross-platform eyeballs of that mechanism would be able to penetrate the ET’s nano-stealth shielding modulation whereby incubating its theoretical-signature to fulminate those antigen particle-clones embedded within it. As soon as this is accomplished, we then move into the second phase of this process where those fulminated particles are then released into a subspace in our brain whereby triggering the detection systems red flag pop-up algorithm to effect positive identification of the ET who has invaded our ‘Influence Space’.@ A99

That was a load of non-sense. With all gentleness and extreme sincerity, please respect the thread.

Fore
08-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Hmmmm... here is a little project, make a automated ET detection system for each member, system raises a flag when this is happening and alerts all other members to that signature... it would accelerate our ability to run experiments on different beings ;)Can you sense the signature presence that each individual gives off?

A99
08-20-2012, 06:39 PM
My oh my, don't we have a sense of humor! I was only joking but it looks like I'm being forced to apologize for doing that so ... um, sorry. BTW... I thought Pont was joking too....


@ A99

That was a load of non-sense. With all gentleness and extreme sincerity, please respect the thread.

Fore
08-20-2012, 06:44 PM
My oh my, don't we have a sense of humor! I was only joking but it looks like I'm being forced to apologize for doing that so ... um, sorry. If you intend to joke then you mark it as a joke as I have done.

I don't want any of that non-sense anywhere near this thread.


BTW... I thought Pont was joking too.... He wasn't joking, you'd have to understand what he was getting at in his short statement. His thought process follows pretty smoothly with what we were discussing previously.

A99
08-20-2012, 06:58 PM
He had a smiley face after his suggestion fore... that's why I thought he was joking. I don't know what else to say.

Neuru
08-20-2012, 10:15 PM
On a different note, before I lead anyone to erroneous conclusions, I've determined the sources of the new eartones in my case: the one I got in the left ear (not the tinnitus, the other one) turned out to be a harmonic(?) emitted by the cooling fan in my PC that is only audible from a specific distance and angles, the one in the right ear is probably caused by something related to blood flow, I could stop it by pressing on the tragus. So nothing paranormal in those cases, apparently, sorry if it was misleading.

Fore
08-20-2012, 11:44 PM
On a different note, before I lead anyone to erroneous conclusions, I've determined the sources of the new eartones in my case: the one I got in the left ear (not the tinnitus, the other one) turned out to be a harmonic(?) emitted by the cooling fan in my PC that is only audible from a specific distance and angles, the one in the right ear is probably caused by something related to blood flow, I could stop it by pressing on the tragus. So nothing paranormal in those cases, apparently, sorry if it was misleading.Don't worry about it. What is important is that you find the cause with open honesty and exactitude. There is no point in misleading oneself if there is something that explains it.

Where is the tragus by the way? I want to try the same thing as the next one occurs.

Neuru
08-21-2012, 01:32 AM
Where is the tragus by the way? I want to try the same thing as the next one occurs.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Gray904.png
Mine are fairly large, I can press on one to cover the respective ear canal. (I've seen that some people cannot do this.)

Might I add, the tone I hear is much unlike the ones you hear when a scan occurs. Even over this one I can hear such "pings" when they do occur. I can't make a reproduction right now but it's between 400 and 1000 Hz.

Fore
08-21-2012, 01:35 AM
The beings concerned are hierarchically based from what I've seen so far, this would suggest a certain methodology concerning cells/groups of beings based on a modular topology. I think you are spot on for most common configurations.


This topology could consist of a supervisor and 5/X units [Greys, Nordics, whatever.] It would largely be determined by the multitasking capabilities of the given being, the size of a typical installation/ship, and the resources assigned to them. It seemed to me over the years that there is coordination between different groups. The sizes seem to vary, so does composition from what I noted.


Now, typically a hierarchy is expressed in a similar format for a given target group where active control and monitoring is concerned. In batch testing I'd expect groups to consist of similar influence fields with similar affinity, mainly from the point of view of simplicity of experimental control. Now, lets get into network topology with this in mind. I'd say the groups vary in composition. Some seem to have fewer members than others, the various entities seem to be composed different ones. (Beyond Nordic and Grey) I am unsure what some of their roles are exactly.

Some of them also have more than one supervisor waiting in the wings when issues arise. As one Grey male used to say in his own way, they usually have someone (a supervisor) in a back room if in case they need one.


The biggest thing about monitoring elements on the network is making sure that you can drill drown through information efficiently, and that the information is collected and correlated in nodes. A better method of collecting individual information is to have a monitoring tool installed directly into the operating system of a given node, or in this case I'd plug it directly into the higher-mind itself with an interconnect leading to a metaphysical probe in the body. I believe you might be on to something, I thought something like that as well. Might be the case. Hopefully Montalk will notice this part of the post.


Utilizing this structure it would be possible to gather physical information directly into a system at the higher mind level, and that system would flag interesting physical features from the probe, and the higher mind component would flag higher mind related issues. Given that he probe system could be operating decoupled from time it would be possible to run a sweeping diagnostics test of these probes through an extremely complex machine. That system could then be used for raising alerts with other individuals that have been flagged as the administrators/units responsible for checking the red flags.

That is an interesting way of looking at it. Very unique way of putting things. When I read this, an idea came to mind, what if this is how the Advisor knew what I would be dealing with in the not so immediate future?

A monitoring device that is embedded in someone Higher Mind level would have access to almost all of the bodies activities. On top of that, if the probe could scan a persons field both in present tense and future tense, it would make a remarkable tool.

It makes one wonder if they have ever developed such a thing or if this is just wishful thinking. (With them, one never knows what is possible)

I had always been analyzing this assuming the gathering of data was only present tense. But now that you make me think about it, it might be more than just that. I will keep an eye on this over time and see if anything becomes obvious about how they perform monitoring. (Limitations etc)


This would account for the lag time somewhat in terms of the Grey wading through his alert list for the moment, and then spotting something that looks interesting. But that is a good question. Would there be a lag time if the device itself could scan through future versions of a person field data?


So, we have humans organized into a category of type, that category has a set of probes to a monitoring system. I assume in the ET project that (as the ET have mentioned) projects are separated by "type".

Not everyone is treated the same is what I was told. So perhaps they use different implementations across dissimilar research but the same implementation in similar research projects?

Sort of like having a different kind of platform depending on what you are testing. Some might need the extensive monitoring and other can do with lax monitoring. At least that idea seemed to have credibility in my mind.


Users of that system receive condensed/terse information from it, and investigate. Each category has an overall administrator for a given set of groups, and then you have groups of groups and so on. Yeah, there seems to be a hierarchy of some kind.

Some groups seem to specialize in a specific kind of unique task from what I can tell. There were alot of ET strangers over the years so it hard to tell.


Theoretically there would also be an interlink between the group supervisors, and their supervisors and so on. I can verify this is true. I have been told and witnessed that the ET layer their back room [psychic] communication networks based on who has access.

Supervisors seem to talk to one another directly and use different channels for higher up's with different access levels. The guys at the bottom can't just talk to a higher tier supervisor from what I have seen. They can only talk to their immediate supervisor.

They also can't (or don't) talk to another groups supervisor unless there is a specific reason to. So it does seem to be modularized or compartmentalized.

The general ET network does not seem to contain information on specific group activities. It's happened on occasion though that ET talk to one another through a direct and open link.


Supervisors This would also explain the stepping on toes effect when a human moves from one jurisdiction to another.

As to the branching method, whether it is star topology or some other non-star based system, I cannot speculate on link quantity or the amount of nodes in a given topological group. I strongly suspect they use the ET network to pass along non-critical information and back end chatter and signaling. I believe they use another method to communicate important stuff.

I noticed they don't have any really big important stuff on the General ET network. So I assume that means they have a more secure means of talking to one another without putting it in the airwaves as it were...


I'd need to actually run a scan and analysis on the actual ET network to determine that [tribes/businesses tend to follow a 10 max, 10 max, 5 max, 1 max pattern from what I've seen.]What do you mean?

pontificator
08-21-2012, 02:55 AM
What do you mean?

10, 10, 5, 1. 10 people to 1 person, ten of those groups, 10 people to 1 supervisor, 10 of those supervisors, 10 supervisors to one site supervisor, 5 of those site supervisors, 5 site supervisors to 1 individual at the head of the structure.

@A99, yeah I was completely serious, the ;) indicates that this could be used for much fun and mischief.

montalk
08-21-2012, 11:33 AM
Pretty random post, but here goes.

If higher mind implants are possible, what would be the advantages of them using your higher mind, rather than their own, to read your future?

Would their leaving a piece of their influence in you be enough to serve as an "implant" that can help them scan your future better?

If automation and convenience is what they want, maybe they can just create an artificial higher mind, sort of like how we have satellites in high orbit that look 'down,' and scan a wide area of probable futures. So that they neither have to use their higher minds nor ours. Maybe that relates to the box-shaped future viewing device Fore mentioned long ago.

And FWIW, I've heard of nonphysical implants, but more in context of them being nonphysical control devices used to alter mental, emotional, and possibly psychic behavior in humans. They sound like artificial, non-sentient, thought-forms. It's said they cease to function if you keep pushing against their influences.

Not sure how that's related to the type of technology used by aliens to upgrade a human's influence centers. Or, how that relates to those phased out iron rods through the heads of slave Nordics (wonder if humans could have similar things put in them on a wider but covert level). Obviously, influence constructs and phased out devices aren't exactly the same thing, even though neither is completely in our physical realm.

A few observations:

* The lag time between raising a flag and the monitoring response. If it takes several days, does that imply there was an automated monitoring system that logged such flags for them to review when they return?

* I noticed that for an ear ringing to occur, I need to be spacing out or deeply absorbed in some thought or task (alpha/theta brainwaves). Might this imply the monitor was watching during a window of time, waiting for a moment when I'd enter this state, and then quickly run the activation and scan routine?

* If monitoring or influencing is automated based on keywords or key thoughts, then it ought to happen even if you just think something dangerous without necessarily intending to act on the info or share it with anyone. And it should be repeatable.

* If monitoring scans your probable futures, then you ought to have signs of monitoring prior to relevant upcoming personal events, breakthroughs, or decisions that you don't yet know anything about. I get this sometimes, and it seems proportional to the likelihood of the upcoming event -- the more probable and unavoidable it is, the earlier and more definite the signs of monitoring.

* They don't scan the future of everything, otherwise you'd get flagged/monitored before even deciding to write a taboo post. That you experience a delay suggests they were reacting retroactively, after the fact, and didn't foresee it.

pontificator
08-21-2012, 12:51 PM
* They don't scan the future of everything, otherwise you'd get flagged/monitored before even deciding to write a taboo post. That you experience a delay suggests they were reacting retroactively, after the fact, and didn't foresee it.

It largely depends on what they are monitoring as well, I find there is a round 3 second delay in a check if I do something completely unexpected. I have tested this, but its a little difficult to do, the essential idea is that you spontaneously do something different that breaks a given pattern without any pre-thought. I tried this once when placing an order at a restaurant, and changed the entire order from what I had decided earlier in a very random and completely unplanned order. After a delay of three seconds I had the monitoring tone come in hard, and that seems to be consistent whenever I run this test [as bizarre as it may sound, and please forgive the pun.]

In terms of a higher-mind implant, consider that the higher-mind is decoupled from normal time, and is also aware of its immediate sets of probable futures, plus which sets are currently running for an individual in the different phases of reality that it may be experiencing. Its a bit of a big concept that one, that the higher-mind is running multiple versions of yourself in multiple concurrent probable timelines, and if you consider that then tapping into the higher mind to access the possible future landscape of a person is not that strange. However, that's getting into pretty deep stuff, and I'm not sure exactly how that area works.

Fore
08-21-2012, 01:20 PM
Pretty random post, but here goes.

If higher mind implants are possible, what would be the advantages of them using your higher mind, rather than their own, to read your future? I suppose that an unattended process could cut down on the effort they have to expend?

The idea Pontif floated is an intriguing one. In post #644 he floats the idea that it might be an early warning indicator. Though, it seems most of the time they react after the fact rather than before the fact. Why that is, is a mystery.

The benefit might be a lower overhead in watching over dozens or hundreds of people. Only responding to the impending events "after the fact" or perhaps running a predictive routine which flags content that would eventually lead to an event.

Does such a probe use per-cognitive routines? Or does it simply peak into the massive amount of influence encoded data being shuffled about in an individuals mind?

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For example, I have plenty of subversive thoughts against my group, I don't necessarily get monitored on each instance. If I think about it, the only ones I get monitored on or raise a red flag is when I actually (premeditated) conceive of acting on it.

So it seems not every thought is "equal". Only the ones as you said are likely to happen.

Perhaps such a probe can distinguish between thinking on it, and thinking on actually doing it in the near future?

If you really dig deep into the nitty gritty of the entire monitoring process it seems to have some sort of rule sets. Some mental or behavioral events don't seem to trigger anything. While others do.

Why is that?

Is it using my own influence field values to determine which are credible events and which are simply meanderings with no ending-result?

@ Montalk

Do you experience any kind of similar oddities on your end?

Fore
08-21-2012, 01:42 PM
It largely depends on what they are monitoring as well, I find there is a round 3 second delay in a check if I do something completely unexpected. I have tested this, but its a little difficult to do, the essential idea is that you spontaneously do something different that breaks a given pattern without any pre-thought. I tried this once when placing an order at a restaurant, and changed the entire order from what I had decided earlier in a very random and completely unplanned order. After a delay of three seconds I had the monitoring tone come in hard, and that seems to be consistent whenever I run this test [as bizarre as it may sound, and please forgive the pun.]

I hate to admit it, but you are like me.

If I walk home using a route I have never been through before, the ear pitch thing goes off and the Grey members usually would ask me why I wasn't where I was supposed to be.

Whats more disturbing is that I have noted since I was small that the thing that disturbs them more than anything is not understanding why I sometimes failed to follow through a routine.

Eventually I recall, they asked the Advisor to incite me into unpredictable behavior for a period of time so they could figure out what happens. It was like they wanted to quantify why I didn't follow a set behavior. It is like being stuck in a room with Grey Alien Geniuses whom try to deconstruct what went wrong in a certain situation.

One of the Grey members told me that there are people whom they have trouble controlling. That my unpredictable behaviors would be corrected and I would behave.

Eventually the Advisor carried those instructions farther than planned. She encouraged me to break the mold they tried to put me into. I think more than anything she probably did it out of some kind of guilt. It didn't seem that way, but in hindsight, I see that some of her errant instructions to me seemed to be guilt driven.

She surely knew what she was doing was wrong.

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As for the Grey members, if it is up to them, I would live in a closet like a piece of living hardware and always obey orders. Even walking your own way down the street is a sign of concern. I think they always drew bad conclusions from the fact that independent actions lead to unpredictable results.

It was the Advisor whom taught me to be less predictable when they weren't around.

Hell, that is why I am here on this thread and on this forum. An unwillingness to follow instructions. I even like engaging others in unpredictable conversations with no sure conclusion ahead of time.

I like stirring the pot to see what comes out the other end. Giving away ET information is just one way of stirring the pot. Seeding questions and then hoping conversations start based on those questions....feels good. LOL.

(Bad for the ET though....but I can't please everyone <shrug>)

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I wonder if I had followed through with indoctrination would I even be sitting on such a forum. I wonder how many others like me are probably going through many experiences and no one will ever know it because they have been sternly told never to mention it.

pontificator
08-21-2012, 01:52 PM
*speculation* Their probability monitoring system in the higher mind chooses the most likely probable outcome, but something else very improbable happens. This naturally causes problems down the chain of events, and the Greys essentially have to do all the leg work finding out what happened that has caused their supervisor's supervisor to go into a blue funk because one of their subjects was not able to buy a chicken roll one day [affecting their nutritional intake, and requiring further alterations to rectify the fact. I am being completely serious here.]

@Fore, so, out of interest, what was your highest score for being pinged in one day by acting improbably? Is there any apparent limit?

A99
08-21-2012, 03:41 PM
I can relate, at least on some level to this current conversation. In my case, I will get a high-pitched P-I-N-G! that even has a physical electrical kind of sensation to it when they occur where my 'guardian' (she calls herself a guardian) will simultaneously say something like my name or a few short words and I've even gotten the word "No!" or "Stop" before too in certain situations. The vast majority of times, it only my name that is said simultaneously with that PING. More often than not, I get them when I am slightly in the 'zone' yet I am in a completely awake and alert conscious state of mind but sometimes I will get them even when I'm engaged in a conversation with someone and sometimes I am even multi-tasking too at the same time... so go figure. I don't get those PINGs on a regular basis though during the day ... only occasionally.
But, I DO get them more often at night because my guardian will PING me and say my name to WAKE ME UP at night immediately following a lucid dream that apparently she wants me to remember. So I will be in a seemingly deep sleep state in the middle of the night having a vivid lucid dream where out of nowhere I'll get that LOUD electrical PING with my name being said where the PING is so loud and palpable... it actually jerks me out of my sleep state. And ALWAYS, it is immediately following a lucid dream.

In addition to this, she will also PING a few times saying my name too, to prevent me from falling to sleep on some occasions due to the presence of someone else or 'others' in the room with me. I'm very mediumistic and if they are around, there is a danger that one of them will try to merge with me... she guards the gate and prevents me from falling to sleep during those times. Sometimes when they try to merge with me when I am sound asleep, she will PING me then too ... saying "Linda, WAKE UP!". In fact she says that too alot of times just after a lucid dream.

As for who are the "others". I am an ET experiencer. I have written about my encounters before several times in that other forum including the ongoing recurring lucid dreams of them that started in my early childhood years.

But as for the 'others'.... sometimes they are ETs of the grey or reptilian type (I will not be seeing them but I strongly sense they are there -- they have a very strong almost rotten egg kinds stench) ... other times the "others" are human disincarates of the earthbound type that are not malevolent ... they are just connected to the place where I am currently living. No matter where I live, those kinds are always around. My own regular contacts will then be around too... to watch over me and protect me.... my guardian will be there too but she is always around me anyway.

A99
08-21-2012, 04:35 PM
And finally... there those human disincarnates that are not connected to the place where I live but are those earthbound 'wanderers' (or sometimes they are from the place most others are at which is on a higher level). Those ones occasionally show up too. On those occasions when a human disincarnate merges with me, should my guardian not PING me right away, I will see mind's eye scenario's playing out in lucid dream form and in those cases, they are scenes from another time era... and I am always the observer watching the scene unfold. It's like watching a past life only that's not what it is... it's a human disincarnate who is showing me scene from his or her life when they were in the physical. Then there are times when I will be an observer of scenes played out with someone who is presently living in the physical but that's another topic....
But I have had encounters with malevolent beings too... and of course, any presence of any ET when they have that stench like that or when one will climb into bed with me and lean on me... that's very, very unsettling and I spring out of bed when that happens. The reptilians will do that...

Anyway, sorry for rambling on but my PINGS come from my guardian. To my knowledge they are not from any ET.

One last thing... my brother-in-law is a radiologist who is part owner of several MRI clinics across the country. He checked me out and ruled out any medical cause for those PINGS I get. I had an MRI scan and etc....

Fore
08-21-2012, 07:41 PM
*speculation* Their probability monitoring system in the higher mind chooses the most likely probable outcome, but something else very improbable happens. This naturally causes problems down the chain of events, and the Greys essentially have to do all the leg work finding out what happened that has caused their supervisor's supervisor to go into a blue funk because one of their subjects was not able to buy a chicken roll one day [affecting their nutritional intake, and requiring further alterations to rectify the fact. I am being completely serious here.] I don't think they worry about that kind of stuff.

Reminder: It is all speculation, we are just looking over the peculiarities of situational occurrences.

Montalk asked me what was the advantage of having it automated rather than a manual look up (pre-cognitive monitoring) I really can't find any. Perhaps the low overhead is about all of it.


@Fore, so, out of interest, what was your highest score for being pinged in one day by acting improbably? Is there any apparent limit?I don't keep score, but probably in the neighborhood of five in one day. (Very [exceedingly] rare)

The common occurrence is once or twice a month (during active periods). Though it usually happens as something interesting coincides with the event. I don't treat ear ringing as anything other than my field changing shape.

I don't really consider it a sign of monitoring. It is just your field reordering itself and establishing a shape. Usually the ear ringing occurs most often when they are away for a time and are coming back into the picture.

I assume "something" inside of my head field must cause a disruption and it changes the shape of my field at those times. I have considered different possibilities including that the "whatever it is" device probably requires a certain field shape in order to properly process information.

In computer tech lingo, it might be someone sending the embedded device a "wake up" signal. The "whatever it is device" seemingly alters the head field and that itself causes the ringing and blood flow transitions. Which is probably why it coincides with events that would interest them.

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For the record, they can connect to you without ear ringing reoccurring. Consider ear ringing a sort of marking event for the beginning of something over a longer period. Once you field has the proper shape I assume the ear ringing event wouldn't reoccur for a while. At least I speculate not until the head field losses its shape.

I am aware this is crazy talk even for the UFO community. But I cannot deny that it exists. I would prefer to say it didn't exist. But unfortunately, there it is.

If others have encountered it, then it must have a wide deployment as a technology.

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Then again, as an ET, if you can build such a device to monitor people with your advanced technology, why wouldn't you?

People just mentioning it, seems to be a route full of immediate humiliation.

What most people don't know though, is that according to abductee and some contactee accounts, they are put into a seat and the device (the seat) affects a persons psychic field.

It is unknown what the seat device actually does, but I suspect such a device is meant to augment, reprogram and probably installs such a device as we are talking about. These are technologies that are built without physical materials.

Fore
08-21-2012, 08:10 PM
One last thing... my brother-in-law is a radiologist who is part owner of several MRI clinics across the country. He checked me out and ruled out any medical cause for those PINGS I get. I had an MRI scan and etc....

For anyone skeptical of the idea of monitoring. Consider the advantages.

Everything from watching peoples activities, spying to behavior modification.

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Should it really surprise anyone that they have the technology to employ such things?

Consider that some say that Grey are probably nothing more than biological flesh with artificial intelligence features. Biology of which host artificial psychic features. (No soul)

Or what of the human-like beings whom (in some contact cases) openly admit that they aren't human. That they are just switching from one body to another using psychic and spiritual-like transplanting technology.

Witnesses whom claim they see clones of themselves in chambers, warned that if they disobey they "will be replaced".

People are sat down in psychic devices (both in MILAB and actual abductions) where they experience intense pain and seemingly experience strange sensations.

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So should it really surprise anyone that installing a monitoring device capable of flagging a thought process is really that odd. From where I am standing and what I have been through, it doesn't seem all that far fetched.

I noticed when the flags are set off, they connect and check out what I am doing.

Hell, we [The ET group and I] used that very capability to keep in contact with each other, even when we aren't right in front of one another. You could be washing plates and they and you would be aware of what each other was doing. You could be sleeping and you would still receive updates from them on new events.

It is like being perpetually connected. Except the exchanges are not just verbal expressions but even up to thought processes being exchanged between two or more people.

The only difference now, is that they use it to keep an eye on what I do or teach to others. When they have something to say, they reconnect and give stern warnings or threats as to my ongoing activity.

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I guess it is my word against the [ET] people you have never met, though. They suppose that if they stay hidden behind the curtain no one will know they are standing there. The only thing I can do, is make "other individuals" possess the same kind of knowledge as myself. At that point, the ET won't be able to avoid a full on monitoring process.

The smarter and more aware the other members become, the bigger a liability they will be when they write articles and devise explanations over mysteries that I am told they should remain ignorant of.

All the ET have on their side is the hope that the ignorance they perpetuate prevails. Without being able to man handle every member, they have to hope the default human condition is capable of doing the majority of the work for them. The self concealing principles of human nature as is the joke in ET circles.

Fore
08-21-2012, 10:22 PM
Anyway, sorry for rambling on but my PINGS come from my guardian. To my knowledge they are not from any ET.

@ A99

I am trying my best to hold back and extend my utmost courtesy as you requested. But you should have thought through what you wanted to say and added an additional ton of effort to writing that mass of text.

That [self admitted] rambling style, it brings down the quality of this thread and it makes me feel like I am being rail roaded into being associated with a Black Sheep. I am pretty sure you aren't trying to do it on purpose.

It is very hard to keep the seriousness of the thread "at a certain level" when you have a member whom writes like a raving...

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I know what you are talking about to some extent. A paranormal experience. I get it.

But if you don't start watching how you type and how you express yourself on this and various topics. You end up bringing down the entire house to that base level of a rambling...and raving.... by association etc.

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Think about it this way, if you as an ITC expert walk on stage with 4 other people and you give a great speech, and someone from the other 4 follows you up with a ranting and raving lunatic-like speech. What do you think people will think of the entire conference?

I would kick the person off the stage and send them packing. They brought the whole event down to their level. Everyone in the audience will think that if one of 5 is crazy, what does that say about the other 4?

Get it?

I hope so.

Fore
08-21-2012, 10:45 PM
I can relate, at least on some level to this current conversation. In my case, I will get a high-pitched P-I-N-G! that even has a physical electrical kind of sensation to it when they occur where my 'guardian' (she calls herself a guardian) will simultaneously say something like my name or a few short words and I've even gotten the word "No!" or "Stop" before too in certain situations. I have no idea what you are referring to.

It sounds like standard spirit communication, but I have no idea why you would describe it as a "PING" or even why you might experience electrical sensations due to standard spirit communication.

It is all a mystery to me as to what you refer to.


The vast majority of times, it only my name that is said simultaneously with that PING. Again, no idea?

PING this PING that, perhaps you are mis-attributing one concept with another?


More often than not, I get them when I am slightly in the 'zone' yet I am in a completely awake and alert conscious state of mind but sometimes I will get them even when I'm engaged in a conversation with someone and sometimes I am even multi-tasking too at the same time... so go figure. I don't get those PINGs on a regular basis though during the day ... only occasionally.

I am going to take a leap before I look. I assume you mean that your abilities become active during spirit communications. Perhaps you meant to say that during such activations your psychic field (in the head region) realigns to an "active configuration". Therefore you sense a change in your awareness? (and ESP/Telepathic events?)

Did I guess correctly? If so, please try not to refer to it as a "PING". You give an erroneous impression to the reader if you do that.


But, I DO get them more often at night because my guardian will PING me and say my name to WAKE ME UP at night immediately following a lucid dream that apparently she wants me to remember. So I will be in a seemingly deep sleep state in the middle of the night having a vivid lucid dream where out of nowhere I'll get that LOUD electrical PING with my name being said where the PING is so loud and palpable... it actually jerks me out of my sleep state. And ALWAYS, it is immediately following a lucid dream. "Electrical Ping"?

Perhaps you mean the high pitched tinnitus?

Most people would call a PING a sudden noise at a certain frequency. Usually lasting less than one second. Tinnitus lasts anywhere from 15 seconds to several minutes. I think you should pick better expressions.

As for the whole spirit communication. I assume you mean that your attention and awareness changes slightly (regardless of whether you are awake or asleep) and you hear the "Guardian" in your head. (Spirit communications)

Perhaps I am right on this guess, perhaps I am wrong. I am sure you will let me know what you actually meant.


In addition to this, she will also PING a few times saying my name too, to prevent me from falling to sleep on some occasions due to the presence of someone else or 'others' in the room with me. I'm very mediumistic and if they are around, there is a danger that one of them will try to merge with me... she guards the gate and prevents me from falling to sleep during those times. Sometimes when they try to merge with me when I am sound asleep, she will PING me then too ... saying "Linda, WAKE UP!". In fact she says that too alot of times just after a lucid dream.

Strange behavior. Why would you care if they merge with you? At best they could only influence your dream content.

Are you tying lower forms of manipulation like what I wrote with full body possessions?

If so, that would be a disturbing revelation if you are that vulnerable.

Even so, I would only expect that kind of fear of merging to come from an individual whom experiences poor self control over their unseen features (psychic body, etc). Are you getting possessed or have you ever been possessed by some foreign spirit??


As for who are the "others". I am an ET experiencer. I have written about my encounters before several times in that other forum including the ongoing recurring lucid dreams of them that started in my early childhood years.


But as for the 'others'.... sometimes they are ETs of the grey or reptilian type (I will not be seeing them but I strongly sense they are there -- they have a very strong almost rotten egg kinds stench) ... other times the "others" are human disincarates of the earthbound type that are not malevolent ... they are just connected to the place where I am currently living. No matter where I live, those kinds are always around. My own regular contacts will then be around too... to watch over me and protect me.... my guardian will be there too but she is always around me anyway.You seem to have a very broad definition for what "Others" are.

Fore
08-21-2012, 11:20 PM
And finally... there those human disincarnates that are not connected to the place where I live but are those earthbound 'wanderers' (or sometimes they are from the place most others are at which is on a higher level). Those ones occasionally show up too. On those occasions when a human disincarnate merges with me, should my guardian not PING me right away, I will see mind's eye scenario's playing out in lucid dream form and in those cases, they are scenes from another time era... and I am always the observer watching the scene unfold. It's like watching a past life only that's not what it is... it's a human disincarnate who is showing me scene from his or her life when they were in the physical. Oh, that is insightful.

So it is only the lower form of manipulating your field.


Then there are times when I will be an observer of scenes played out with someone who is presently living in the physical but that's another topic....
But I have had encounters with malevolent beings too... and of course, any presence of any ET when they have that stench like that or when one will climb into bed with me and lean on me... that's very, very unsettling and I spring out of bed when that happens. So they [spirituals] "touch" and harass you.


The reptilians will do that... Are they biological, spiritual or are they remote projections from afar?

Have you been able to ascertain which? Often on the old forum people whom encounter the Reptilian tend to talk about sexual molestation.


Anyway, sorry for rambling on but my PINGS come from my guardian. To my knowledge they are not from any ET. So you don't experience "A PING" (whatever it is?) when it comes to an ET visitor?


One last thing... my brother-in-law is a radiologist who is part owner of several MRI clinics across the country. He checked me out and ruled out any medical cause for those PINGS I get. I had an MRI scan and etc....

An MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) should only detect physical tissue. Unless your psychic functions are set at a certain high level, you shouldn't cause enough interference in the imaging technique for it to show up.

If you can't short out a POS (Point Of Service) device when you check in at a lab visit, chances are your structures aren't active enough to cause distortions in the diagnostic.

(I used to intentionally short the POS at cashiers for fun and as practice when the Advisor showed me how to generate a pulse of influence. When I was younger.)

The ET reminded me that you have to turn your psychic output and features down to the minimum activity level when going near electronics or when undergoing anesthetic injections.

If you approach electronics with a high field output there is sometimes a popping sound. Other times it flickers and or shorts. Engines go dead after the influence pulse is generated and released.

As for anesthetics, the effect of putting your body to sleep they said wears off very quickly if you keep cycling your field in it's active configuration. The Advisor also told me if I ever went into surgery (which I once did) you have to set your abilities into a relaxed standby state where it becomes inert.

She said at the time if I didn't, my ability to control my body "by other means" would keep me artificially awake despite the dose. (A similar effect I used when the ET try to put me to sleep during a visit)

She said the doctors would have to over dose me in order to put me out if I resisted the natural tendencies of what my body wants to do. She also said if I left the fields turned on during an operation the anesthetic would wear off quickly do to how my field cycles in relation to my body. She said it would be a very painful experience if I ignored her on that.

(Years later I did exactly as she said, cause I didn't want to find out the hard way LOL.)

They had to inject me several times [consecutively] with morphine in order to control the pain as it didn't last as long as it should have. I recall after two injections the attending nurse had to ask for permission for the third dose, which they approved.

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About two years ago, I went in to have one of my teeth fixed and they used laughing gas on me. I forgot to lower the field and the guy kept asking me if I experienced the symptoms he described. By the time I got wind of what I forgot to do, they had overdosed me it seemed.

They flushed me with oxygen and I started to shake uncontrollably but I used my field to forcibly put the convolutions to a stop. Still felt cold as hell as if I had lost body heat. I turned green when leaving the dentist.

Ever since then, I make sure to leave my field in a standby state like the Advisor advised.

People don't realize it, when you become an advanced psychic (in the ET projects at least) you are expected to control your bodys functions through psychic control. So our body and it's biology isn't "You" but merely an extension "of You".

Exerting that control over another person is relatively trivial as you just merge with their field and take control of it and its structures. Just like healers do when they want to change the field characteristics on someones else body or even their own.

Anyway, I'll stop there.

pontificator
08-22-2012, 01:25 PM
Can you sense the signature presence that each individual gives off?

Each member certainly has a recognizable presence when I'm reading their posts, it seems to be part of the auto-connect mechanism that I have. In terms of being able to target, I just recall a single one of their posts in visual form, and I have all that I need to be able to target them. So I suppose you could say their post acts as an index point for their psychic signature, although the actual psychic signature tends to be texture based [as in touch texture, or a subtle mixture of effects during a connect.]

As an example: Montalk, you have a clean [surprisingly clean] and steady pressure with a semi-scalp-penetrating texture akin to smooth chocolate moose.
Carissa is a bit more exotic, with a non-clean field that has a frontal forehead pressure effect, the feeling is like the intoxicating smell of a bruleed orange in attendance with a wicker mesh... strange one that. [yep, I got a slight artificial note in the left ear for .5 of a second, it's actually still there, but the effect is being maintained at a low level, but control is seemingly inconsistent.]

Other beings each seem to have their own presence, so I can tell them apart and recognize them if I try, but I try to ignore them where possible these days [well, unless they have become irritating and I have an "exciting" experiment to run.]

Fore
08-23-2012, 08:40 AM
Each member certainly has a recognizable presence when I'm reading their posts, it seems to be part of the auto-connect mechanism that I have. In terms of being able to target, I just recall a single one of their posts in visual form, and I have all that I need to be able to target them. So I suppose you could say their post acts as an index point for their psychic signature, although the actual psychic signature tends to be texture based [as in touch texture, or a subtle mixture of effects during a connect.]

As an example: Montalk, you have a clean [surprisingly clean] and steady pressure with a semi-scalp-penetrating texture akin to smooth chocolate moose.
Carissa is a bit more exotic, with a non-clean field that has a frontal forehead pressure effect, the feeling is like the intoxicating smell of a bruleed orange in attendance with a wicker mesh... strange one that. [yep, I got a slight artificial note in the left ear for .5 of a second, it's actually still there, but the effect is being maintained at a low level, but control is seemingly inconsistent.] Sounds like there is a slight mismatch in the mapping process.

You are sensing ESP information of others with your sense of touch.

I guess it really doesn't matter as long as it doesn't impede your progress.

Mine are composed differently. When my psychic abilities were more active, I used to sense members with my sense of spatial awareness and visual awareness.

The presentation on my end is full of visual cues with various values, spatial references (with values) and a mix of raw ESP.



Other beings each seem to have their own presence, so I can tell them apart and recognize them if I try, but I try to ignore them where possible these days [well, unless they have become irritating and I have an "exciting" experiment to run.]I have been planning to write an in-depth review of the subject of ESP and how to use it (or set it up) effectively.

Though I have been busy lately so I will have to set some time to do that.

kleemkrishnaya
08-23-2012, 09:25 AM
If I may jump in - fascinating stuff! I am also "able" to feel energy signatures of posters on this & other forums, as well as "sense" their personal odour. . . I often get mental images of their energy bodies, too - it's one of the reasons I don't interact very much, there's so often a discepancy between the words & the "agenda" (odd, I just discussed this on another forum too). Lately I have been drawn to reading posts by fore, which on the "old" foum seemed "blocked" to me. . . . Just my 2c worth, I don't mean to interrupt the discussion. . . .

montalk
08-23-2012, 10:21 AM
If you really dig deep into the nitty gritty of the entire monitoring process it seems to have some sort of rule sets. Some mental or behavioral events don't seem to trigger anything. While others do.

Why is that?

Is it using my own influence field values to determine which are credible events and which are simply meanderings with no ending-result?

@ Montalk

Do you experience any kind of similar oddities on your end?

If I think over subversive thoughts that aren't new, and that I don't intend to act on, then like you I get no reaction. So I could cycle through everything supposedly "dangerous" in my mind and trigger nothing if it stays in my mind. That which affects nothing, triggers nothing. But if I share such info with someone for whom it's new and causes a lightbulb to go off in their head concerning aliens, and they themselves have had alien monitoring previously, then in most cases both of us would get signs.

I keep a weekly planner to log these things, and just reviewed a couple years' worth to pick out the consistent patterns. Here is a list of when I get ringing, clicking, scalp tingling, etc.

* During something attempting Thought Insemination, especially if it's trying to nudge me into doing something regretful.
* During sleep while having an externally manipulated dream.
* Couple hours prior to an abduction.
* During experimental internal exercises intended to alter my influence activity.
* When I'm about to take a major hit to my emotional, financial, or medical well-being.
* During a health crisis when I'm suffering and not good for much else.
* When an important new project or research avenue I'm working on is at risk of not going forward, due to electrical glitch or distractions that suddenly pile up.
* When I'm about to have other people's emergencies dumped in my lap for me to deal with.
* When I'm about to form or lose (due to misunderstanding/sabotage) important social connections, especially with fringe people.
* Before/during having to handle an alien-disinformation agent via email or forum.
* During phone calls, conversations, or radio interviews where I hit upon a real subversive and helpful line of thinking concerning aliens and even demons.

A lot of these seem to be explainable by aliens "updating their map" of me and my connections, of being interested in my reactions to challenges -- as if to refine their models of me. It's future oriented: how changes to my mindset, circumstances, awareness, and being affects my (and therefore their) future. Or how changes to my social relations affects their future.

But it doesn't seem to be so detailed like the butterfly effect, where my choice of eggs vs cereal garners their attention because 100 steps down the line it leads to something interesting. It seems they wait until the 95th step.

So when I'm in a phase where nothing new happens, everything is calm and routine and steady, then I don't get a single sign of anything... this can go on for weeks or even a couple months. Then suddenly I'll get several ear ringings, couple clicks, scalp tingle within the span of 12 hours and within 24 hours all hell breaks loose, or maybe I'll run into a groomed disinfo vector, or any of the examples listed above. That's how I know it's not just tinnitus or my imagination, because the correlation of symptom with circumstance is near perfect. Enough so that I've been able to use it (along with some other precursors) to predict and sometimes narrowly escape disaster that way.


Montalk, you have a clean [surprisingly clean] and steady pressure with a semi-scalp-penetrating texture akin to smooth chocolate moose.

Glad I didn't come across as a fruitcake :D

Fore
08-23-2012, 08:01 PM
If I think over subversive thoughts that aren't new, and that I don't intend to act on, then like you I get no reaction. So I could cycle through everything supposedly "dangerous" in my mind and trigger nothing if it stays in my mind. That which affects nothing, triggers nothing. But if I share such info with someone for whom it's new and causes a lightbulb to go off in their head concerning aliens, and they themselves have had alien monitoring previously, then in most cases both of us would get signs.

I keep a weekly planner to log these things, and just reviewed a couple years' worth to pick out the consistent patterns. Here is a list of when I get ringing, clicking, scalp tingling, etc.

* During something attempting Thought Insemination, especially if it's trying to nudge me into doing something regretful.
* During sleep while having an externally manipulated dream.
* Couple hours prior to an abduction.
* During experimental internal exercises intended to alter my influence activity.
* When I'm about to take a major hit to my emotional, financial, or medical well-being.
* During a health crisis when I'm suffering and not good for much else.
* When an important new project or research avenue I'm working on is at risk of not going forward, due to electrical glitch or distractions that suddenly pile up.
* When I'm about to have other people's emergencies dumped in my lap for me to deal with.
* When I'm about to form or lose (due to misunderstanding/sabotage) important social connections, especially with fringe people.
* Before/during having to handle an alien-disinformation agent via email or forum.
* During phone calls, conversations, or radio interviews where I hit upon a real subversive and helpful line of thinking concerning aliens and even demons.

A lot of these seem to be explainable by aliens "updating their map" of me and my connections, of being interested in my reactions to challenges -- as if to refine their models of me. It's future oriented: how changes to my mindset, circumstances, awareness, and being affects my (and therefore their) future. Or how changes to my social relations affects their future.

But it doesn't seem to be so detailed like the butterfly effect, where my choice of eggs vs cereal garners their attention because 100 steps down the line it leads to something interesting. It seems they wait until the 95th step.

So when I'm in a phase where nothing new happens, everything is calm and routine and steady, then I don't get a single sign of anything... this can go on for weeks or even a couple months. Then suddenly I'll get several ear ringings, couple clicks, scalp tingle within the span of 12 hours and within 24 hours all hell breaks loose, or maybe I'll run into a groomed disinfo vector, or any of the examples listed above. That's how I know it's not just tinnitus or my imagination, because the correlation of symptom with circumstance is near perfect. Enough so that I've been able to use it (along with some other precursors) to predict and sometimes narrowly escape disaster that way.



Glad I didn't come across as a fruitcake :DWe experience the same things...disturbing isn't it?

I just thought of opening an account on ATS and just posting that entire post on there to see if it would trigger any event flag. Just to post it without intending to interact in that thread...leaving just a link pointing back to the original on here.

It wasn't until I thought of the events that might transpire in terms of allowing others to see it and to bring them into the discussion that a cautionary sensation popped up in my mind. It wasn't like a Red Flag event. It was more subtle, like a caution sign (Yellow Flag?) that intrinsically tells me it is a bad idea.

Almost as if the trigger itself brought to my attention that it was a bad idea, the thought that I might attract debunkers in the lead over on ATS came to mind. Followed by the idea that they might swamp the thread if they get here.

Like negative reinforcement. Is it all me? Probably.

But that cautionary sensation wasn't me, that much I know for sure. No connection event has occurred like in Red Flag events. The more I dwell on it though, the more I feel my abilities want to turn on.

Like my current subversive thought is to ask someone reading to do it for me without me knowing. That would be interesting.

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It makes me wonder if there is a difference in our mind when it comes to actions.

So far I am postulating that maybe the act of thinking is like an encoded stream of thought (influence patterns) that are devoid of a specific marker that indicates a premeditated action.

If something is devoid of a [postulated] marker then the event won't be triggered?

Though, if I intend to actually do it, and I actually put all my mental plans in a row to be put into action, then that might be encoded differently from perspective of the "device or process" reading it for encoded markers.

Perhaps the device itself is not all that smart. Maybe [^Red Flag Event/ My abilities turned on] it just looks for markers in encoded thoughts. If they aren't present, then it doesn't trigger, if it is, it triggers.

The question that comes to mind is, is "the device or process" intelligent? Or is it just based on rule sets to check for?

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If I don't think about it, and just do it, does "the device/process" have a chance to trigger before hand or does it trigger afterwards?

Fore
08-23-2012, 08:11 PM
Almost as if the trigger itself brought to my attention that it was a bad idea, the thought that I might attract debunkers in the lead over on ATS came to mind. Followed by the idea that they might swamp the thread if they get here.

Like negative reinforcement. Is it all me? Probably.

It makes me wonder if this isn't some form of passive behavior modification.

The ET I knew used (especially the Grey) to tell me how if you change what is in someones head, most people were supposedly inclined to follow through with it.

So does the cautionary sensation have me trained like a Pavlov's dog? To downplay thoughts that lead to a cautionary sign?

http://www.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/pavlov/readmore.html

Sounds absurd but I am going to keep an eye on it.

Neuru
08-23-2012, 08:21 PM
I just thought of opening an account on ATS and just posting that entire post on there to see if it would trigger any event flag. Just to post it without intending to interact in that thread...leaving just a link pointing back to the original on here.

Almost as if the trigger itself brought to my attention that it was a bad idea, the thought that I might attract debunkers in the lead over on ATS came to mind. Followed by the idea that they might swamp the thread if they get here.
You might still be interested in e.g. the Psion Guild forums (http://psionguild.org/forums/index.php), even if you might only want to lurk there for now if at all. I doubt that place is about debunkery, more like lots of experimentation. Besides, I heard people on ATS get banned for various things that don't violate their ToS - mentioning reptilians, for instance.

Fore
08-23-2012, 09:00 PM
I keep a weekly planner to log these things, and just reviewed a couple years' worth to pick out the consistent patterns. Here is a list of when I get ringing, clicking, scalp tingling, etc.

* During something attempting Thought Insemination, especially if it's trying to nudge me into doing something regretful.
* During sleep while having an externally manipulated dream.
* Couple hours prior to an abduction.
* During experimental internal exercises intended to alter my influence activity.
* When I'm about to take a major hit to my emotional, financial, or medical well-being.
* During a health crisis when I'm suffering and not good for much else.
* When an important new project or research avenue I'm working on is at risk of not going forward, due to electrical glitch or distractions that suddenly pile up.
* When I'm about to have other people's emergencies dumped in my lap for me to deal with.
* When I'm about to form or lose (due to misunderstanding/sabotage) important social connections, especially with fringe people.
* Before/during having to handle an alien-disinformation agent via email or forum.
* During phone calls, conversations, or radio interviews where I hit upon a real subversive and helpful line of thinking concerning aliens and even demons. All of these are so familiar that I could have written it myself (and in most cases have).


* During something attempting Thought Insemination, especially if it's trying to nudge me into doing something regretful.
* During sleep while having an externally manipulated dream.

These require your field to remain in an active configuration.

* Couple hours prior to an abduction.

The 24 hour pre-checkup as the ET call it. They connect and scan your situation so they know what they are in for prior to the event. Sometimes they claimed they will call it off if there are issues that would prevent a proper event and schedule it for a bit later.

* During experimental internal exercises intended to alter my influence activity.

Self induced field Activity.

* When I'm about to take a major hit to my emotional, financial, or medical well-being.
* During a health crisis when I'm suffering and not good for much else.
* When an important new project or research avenue I'm working on is at risk of not going forward, due to electrical glitch or distractions that suddenly pile up.
* When I'm about to have other people's emergencies dumped in my lap for me to deal with.
* When I'm about to form or lose (due to misunderstanding/sabotage) important social connections, especially with fringe people.
* Before/during having to handle an alien-disinformation agent via email or forum.
* During phone calls, conversations, or radio interviews where I hit upon a real subversive and helpful line of thinking concerning aliens and even demons.[/quote] All of these are so familiar that I could have written it myself (and in most cases have).

Covert (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/covert?s=t)/Overt (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/overt) surveillance and remote manipulation of circumstances. These require your field to remain in an active configuration.

In my case, they tell me what I must do "or else". They'd often discuss the consequences of not cooperating and would list what they intend to invoke if I don't go along with whatever they have in mind. (I usually don't)

So they can tell you that if you don't cooperate they for instance will manipulate the mindset of your landlord to raise your rent. They can affect other people you know in a consistent way to make them behave irrationally.

For instance, they can induce people you do business with to behave in a way which impacts your financial health. Even up to getting you fired. Your participation is not required. (Yes Folks, they have that much control over you if you don't cooperate.)

They can drive a wedge in relationships both platonic and not, to get you to toe the line. Keep in mind they can penetrate anyone at any time they like. There is no firewall between a persons conscious mind and theirs.

Often people will come out of it realizing they just behaved extremely abnormally and they won't know why. Though you do, and that is part of the control they keep.

Others have their pre-existing issues brought to the surface, agitated, and then put into play. Anything you feel or think can be used to their advantage. They simply do the mindgame remotely.

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I don't know about Montalk, but mine would tell me exactly what they were going to do and how and when before they put it into action. Just because I wouldn't cooperate.

So it is not like I "infer" manipulation. I know it, because they told me ahead of time. That is how they tie themselves into your well being. You scratch their back, they scratch yours.

Some people out in the community might not talk because they might be under pressures that are not obvious to spectators. A far fetched claim I know. But there it is.

If you don't mind losing everything, there is nothing they can really do. Though you might lose your own life (or someone elses) if push comes to shove.

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A lot of these seem to be explainable by aliens "updating their map" of me and my connections, of being interested in my reactions to challenges -- as if to refine their models of me. It's future oriented: how changes to my mindset, circumstances, awareness, and being affects my (and therefore their) future. Or how changes to my social relations affects their future.

But it doesn't seem to be so detailed like the butterfly effect, where my choice of eggs vs cereal garners their attention because 100 steps down the line it leads to something interesting. It seems they wait until the 95th step.

So when I'm in a phase where nothing new happens, everything is calm and routine and steady, then I don't get a single sign of anything... this can go on for weeks or even a couple months. Same here.


Then suddenly I'll get several ear ringings, couple clicks, scalp tingle within the span of 12 hours and within 24 hours all hell breaks loose, or maybe I'll run into a groomed disinfo vector, or any of the examples listed above. That's how I know it's not just tinnitus or my imagination, because the correlation of symptom with circumstance is near perfect. Enough so that I've been able to use it (along with some other precursors) to predict and sometimes narrowly escape disaster that way. Exactly.

Mine were more verbose and open about it in telling me.

Some of the Grey even went as far as to tell me to go somewhere during an appointed time, so I could see car accidents they caused by interfering with the thought process of a driver. (Luckily no one dies...yet)

Then they point out that they can do the same to my family. (When they are in a bad mood)

So the choice is clear, you know they have the capability and they can get away with it. No one will ever suspect anything. You either do what they want, or you or your loved ones can suffer like the strangers in front of you.

Its a tough choice huh?

Seen the Demons do it as well for nothing more than fun, but they are no where near as capable and they require massive amounts of influence to affect pedestrians. ET's are on a whole different level to them. They can do it at any time on any day. Even on command.

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The only thing I have figured out in my many years, is that the ET need me for something. They don't care about anyone else around me. They are after something that they believe I can or will do for them.

They are perfectly willing to harm anyone in the radius around me except if it put me in a state where non-cooperation is assured. They keep dealing with me no matter how much I push them away.

I have noticed that they also maintain me and my family trapped in a tight corner, as if, it suits their agenda. Whatever their big secret is, everyone keeps it to themselves. So they may threaten me as much as they do, but it seems to be mostly all bark and no bite. They seemingly need me to do something when I am at age 40. What it is, they don't say.

Fore
08-23-2012, 09:23 PM
By the way, Two nights ago in the evening, a man walked up to my fence and looked over my dogs. I walked up and he walked away without saying anything.

Yesterday morning at around 7am two men hopped the fence of my neighbor and then mine looking for something to steal. They got chased off.

Same day, 2 hours later at 9am, 1 truck crashed with a limo in front of my house and the truck spun around almost hitting my front gate.

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All of it is perfectly normal. Why? Because no ET have been threatening me so far. They are just watching.

So those events, while happening in a brief period of time (while unusual) is just normal events.

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The ET when they threaten me, typically spell out what they want, and what they will do if they don't get it from me. So far nothing of that sort has happened. (yet)

This is for those people whom think I attribute everything that moves to the ET.

tl2
08-23-2012, 09:37 PM
Ectoplasm?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt268T0mO44

Fore
08-23-2012, 10:11 PM
This is for those people whom think I attribute everything that moves to the ET.

@ Readers

Consider for a moment that you and I come from two very different sides of the train tracks.

While you lived a normal life, I didn't.

I have seen alot, been explained through live demonstrations what they are capable of. I was (and still am) a dire hard skeptic. I asked for repeated examples of what they would claim. I got many of those requests filled in. It left me "scared straight" as to what they can do. I have the technical explanations that accompany those demonstrations.

I have no lingering doubts as to what their capabilities and capacities are. So while you "the reader" might be brought up under different circumstances and still believe the world is a different place than what I have been shown....I wish I were you....

If you saw half as many activities that went on around me, you would probably be sober enough to know you need to sit down and drink to drown out the information and the demonstrations. *luckily I am not a drunkard or a drinker*

If you walk away the same person as the person you went in with the same beliefs and the same thoughts about everything, you would surprise me.

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I have tons of information inside of my head straight from them that I try not to think about. It would be enough to keep a normal person awake at night, To keep them wondering about what is going on as the world clocks yet another day.

If you were to spend a month with the ET, and if they gave you access, you would return to your normal life a changed person. Not because of any mind control or anything wild like that.

But just from witnessing so many things that would change your perspective about alot of things. If you were to look at a UFO conference or sit here and read through stories of other abductees and contactees and cases of all kinds. I promise you, you would be so disturbed at what discussions don't take place, and the many vulnerabilities and situations that very few concern themselves with.

You would probably want to walk away and stick your head in the sand, because thinking about it would be something that would bother you for the rest of your life.

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I keep coming back here in the hopes that something will change, but knowing that little would without the strategic backing from someone else.

So here I am spitting into a 200mph gust of wind. Knowing it will fly right back at me.

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Though, I know that day of their arrival and all their non-terrestrial plans are being wrought like a sick play book from afar. I wait knowing that I don't want any part of their arrival. I don't know what my role is, but I know I won't be there for them, come hell or high water.

I have two hands I was born with, when they show up and let the curtain drop so everyone can be introduced to them with smiling face or whatever.....


Before the first speech occurs, I will be using those two hands and feet to take two people who don't know any better and run for the hills. To avoid their presence for as long as possible. I prefer not to have a rancid role in history as some kind of traitor to humanity.

When the crowds are gathering to listen to those long rehearsed lines sketched behind the scenes, I will be making due with what little I can far from the action. If they perform the false rapture scenario on the abducted and the contacted, I can assure you I will make myself scarce and hard to find. Hopefully, what they tagged me with won't give away where I am in the world. I suspect it will though.

So God be with me, when it comes to that.
If I ever change my tune, it probably ain't me.
No rational person would feel a warm and fuzzy feelings after seeing what they can and do intend to do to mankind.

Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves." (http://kingjbible.com/matthew/7.htm)

If my tone has turned dark, it is because I just sat here thinking about what I haven't said yet, something which I try not to dwell on anymore because it causes foreboding sentiments. I am leaving the country soon so I hope God is with you all as history writes itself. I obviously hope all turns out well, but considering....I think/know it won't.

I am pretty sure the next couple of years will be something that every child and adult in the future will be forced to learn as an important time in history.

Fore
08-23-2012, 10:47 PM
Ectoplasm?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt268T0mO44Looks like it.

Noticed how the discharge moves fast unlike smoke?

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Edit by the way, the below videos are not Ectoplasm. They are hoaxes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC9NUUamt3s

The first video is the real thing, the second video is totally fake.

If you have ever seen Ectoplasm that spontaneously appears when you release influence, it looks like the first video, not the second.

pontificator
08-24-2012, 01:46 AM
It's interesting stuff, the glowing orange being I met in 2008 had the effect essentially hugging its body in various wisps, and seemed to be associated with the orange glow. However, the mist/wisp/fog effect was still as white as concentrated CO2, just a bit less intense. In the first video I suspect the effect is attached to the emanation points [it moves in its own relative time and space, so outside effects don't cause drag], which would match what I've seen. Ah, while I think of it, you'll note that influence is independent of friction and inertia in this video, which is normal [much like having a beam of light appearing in thin air, the torch in another universe can move without being affected by objects here, and the light in our universe appears magical in nature with no obvious source].

Fore
08-24-2012, 07:24 AM
It's interesting stuff, the glowing orange being I met in 2008 had the effect essentially hugging its body in various wisps, and seemed to be associated with the orange glow. Very Interesting, but not surprising consider its other apparently standard ET characteristics. Thanks for letting me know about it.


However, the mist/wisp/fog effect was still as white as concentrated CO2, just a bit less intense. In the first video I suspect the effect is attached to the emanation points [it moves in its own relative time and space, so outside effects don't cause drag], which would match what I've seen. Sharp observation! I too thought the same as I watched it.

Didn't seem to change orientation relative to it's heading.


Ah, while I think of it, you'll note that influence is independent of friction and inertia in this video, which is normal [much like having a beam of light appearing in thin air, the torch in another universe can move without being affected by objects here, and the light in our universe appears magical in nature with no obvious source].Sort of.

If you recall that the thing that the camera (or our eyes see) as a wisp of smoke is actually a distortion of space and time...also considering it is not a standard piece of matter....it doesn't really seem all that strange that it would move at such fast speeds.

It's not actually physical smoke as much as a distortion of millions of densely packed influence "flux points" moving across space and time. The physical distortion is all our actually eyes see.

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Considering all that, like you said, it doesn't have to operate like a conventional object because technically...it isn't one. (It's a [paranormal] distortion of spacetime processes)

You orange buddy was wrapped in this stuff because his output was probably pretty high. The fact that he gave off the wisps of ~Ectoplasm~ shows that his influence was extremely densely packed and is naturally causing distortions in spacetime.

The fact that he glows isn't because (as many ET like people to believe) he was an ascended master. LOL (I love that one!)

It's just another form of influence flux wreaking havoc on spacetime processes. Only instead of wisps of paranormal smoke, it shows up as light without a conventional process.

Some people have seen ET probes wrapped up in this kind of strange halo like light. They don't know (yet) that the (ET version) of the probe system has an interactive system on the other end that allows the ET user to navigate through areas. If I recall most of what they told me some of the models have an interactive set of panes that sit on the left and right of the user. Almost all of the base versions have visual and audio pick ups. Some of the other models have themselves covered in a ring of artificial influence spectra that allows them to act as a psychic relay system. (Keep in mind the ET version is an ET specific technology)

Some people I have seen on TV shows confirm what I was told about these glowing devices that move around. They hear something from inside their heads when the probe gets close enough to interact with their field.

Like as if they were dealing with a human drone system with a speaker system the ET instead use artificial influence fields in some of the probe version to relay information.

Some of them also have and do a sort of cross section scans of things of interest. When the user (ET) walks away from the terminal at the other end, they told me the probe goes back into it's artificial intelligence mode and continued the activity it's been programmed for.

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Human beings and Aliens are two very different kinds of beings. The technology itself says alot about it. The human versions no matter how good are probably gonna be put together to fit the human condition.

I recall there was a project to try to remake human beings into a more compatible form so a human being could use the technology in a more native way, but I don't recall much about it these days. I didn't consider the "tall tales" (which probably were true) to be important enough to remember. I am just surprised that all these years later I see the technology as they described it in detail and working in the field.

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For example, I never told this to anyone (I don't think) but one day about half a life time ago, I recall reading the mind of one of the Male Greys that was always nearby (in my ET group). I recall seeing like a specification run down, a 3D diagram and instructions on how to fire some kind of controlled arc of energy from what the specs seemed to indicate was a weapon of some sort.

The Grey cut me off within seconds of me reading his mind but I got an insightful look into his head. I saw a weapon of some sort with details of what it [clearly] considered to be a primitive weapon. The odd thing was that it internally thought of the [^Yellow Flag event] device as some kind of intermediate step or something to a greater technology. I don't recall if it was something he saw in the ET spy network where ET talk about what they know or if it was something he knows directly about it.

Reguardless, the sequencing for the technology was inside of the little Grey Males' mind with a relationship graphic about how the device powered up and then a lensing system is made without glass focusing the output. The specs in his mind told a short story of how these little blobs focused the firing arc of the device. The specifications cited something which was something unfamiliar to me like some kind of quantum control or confinement effect (I think) that spread out geometrically in a funnel before the device discharged. [^ Yellow Flag, again]

The device used these tiny blobs like an artificial confinement funnel before the device finished the discharge cycle. Then the device released it's energy on what the Greys' mind described as a flat mobile station like a flatbed...but not quite. A bit bigger and it opened up on either side like a petal.

The energy passed through the funnel formed by these little control blobs of quantum ~confined attunement~ I guess is the right word....and that is when the Grey cut me off.

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Years later (more than a decade later)
I was so surprised to see a UFO hunters group on TV that covered the device in real life. [The TV Show got cancelled soon thereafter because they supposedly went too far in one episode]

When the guy showed the photos in this episode I recognized the system from what I saw in one the Grey Males head. The system as described in the Greys head was there in the episode in real life. It made me pause and I have to say I had done a triple take. Here I was looking at the system in real life, on TV, with the guy with the glasses talking about the novel way in which the device fires. (With the little green blobs in the photograph.)

Interesting to say the least. But what was more interesting was that one of the guys on the show already knew about it and called it a super secret weapon. That made me wonder where these folks discuss these things?

I'd love to join whatever forum that guy belongs to as they must talk about a helluva lot of secret stuff.

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I found the episode:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifuo9dWbJ5U

Simply skim to 35 minutes and you'll see them discuss it within 5 minutes. You'll also see them refer to "phasing technology" being in use.

So if people think I am "crazy", think again, it may just be the audience is still pretty ignorant of things yet to come. On Contact Day it may all just come rushing in on people all at one time. Assuming anyone even intends to tell anyone the truth.

The likelihood of that truth is probably near zero. The likelihood of the disinformation taking a new shape and form is probably pretty high.

tl2
08-24-2012, 09:52 AM
@ Readers


I am pretty sure the next couple of years will be something that every child and adult in the future will be forced to learn as an important time in history.

Fore, You have given us all a great deal of info on what is to come. Now we are closer to what you have been talking about, is the psychic noise less? Is your clarity better? Can you say anymore?

Fore
08-24-2012, 07:32 PM
Interesting case,

https://allmyvideos.net/y5i4tldzpmxg

Man, that translator they used was downright fourth rate. The other guy didn't mention ANYTHING about a volcano, the translator put words in his mouth that were no where near an accurate translation. That put the team on a wild goose chase with a volcano that had nothing to do with the case.

Posted under the Fair Use act for discussion.

tl2
08-25-2012, 03:05 PM
Each member certainly has a recognizable presence when I'm reading their posts, it seems to be part of the auto-connect mechanism that I have. In terms of being able to target, I just recall a single one of their posts in visual form, and I have all that I need to be able to target them. So I suppose you could say their post acts as an index point for their psychic signature, although the actual psychic signature tends to be texture based [as in touch texture, or a subtle mixture of effects during a connect.]

As an example: Montalk, you have a clean [surprisingly clean] and steady pressure with a semi-scalp-penetrating texture akin to smooth chocolate moose.
Carissa is a bit more exotic, with a non-clean field that has a frontal forehead pressure effect, the feeling is like the intoxicating smell of a bruleed orange in attendance with a wicker mesh... strange one that. [yep, I got a slight artificial note in the left ear for .5 of a second, it's actually still there, but the effect is being maintained at a low level, but control is seemingly inconsistent.]

Other beings each seem to have their own presence, so I can tell them apart and recognize them if I try, but I try to ignore them where possible these days [well, unless they have become irritating and I have an "exciting" experiment to run.]

Can you describe me? I am curious to know. :)

Fore
08-25-2012, 06:35 PM
@ Tl2

Your post is almost ready. I am including alot of "non-sense" you didn't ask for in it. I have been wanting to get a certain topic off my chest for a long time. Every time I try to tell one of the related stories I was told as a child, I keep backing out of it. I don't think it is very credible. Or perhaps it is more like I am deeply incredulous about what she [The Advisor] told me as a child.

Then again, many of the stories she used to teach me the background of events were found out to have actually happened. So my incredulity aside, I guess I should say it on the record because I never really know. Time will show if it was hockey puck or real.

As she and the Others taught me, their way of life, technology and the circumstances surrounding them can be seen as stranger than fiction. Yet, there it is.

When a witness reports seeing something I was told about 20 or 15 or 10 years ago....I always think "DAMN IT, she was telling the truth about that?"

LOL, sorry, but some things she claimed are a bit too much even for me. I always tend to downplay certain aspects of her "?wild claims?" until I get some hardcore evidence by way of mouth or seeing it in an abductees or contactees story/account.

When I am feeling brave, I just often post it even if I don't have the evidence to back up some of the ET groups claims. I am (sometimes) surprised that they were telling the truth. Sometimes, some claims seem like a logical extension of a previous story so I am not all that surprised even when I get to see third party confirmation that their claims about the life they lead through the years are very much true.

From the outsiders point of view, I am sure I am seen as "a nutter". I often wish I was.

You have no idea how I cringe when I see some guy or lady in the field reporting the same strangeness they have witnessed and it seems like an un/common reference. I have only heard of it through the crazy stories they told me when they had nothing better to do but provide a series of lesson on "things you should know".

Anyway, let me finish it up.

tl2
08-25-2012, 10:14 PM
@ Tl2

Your post is almost ready. I am including alot of "non-sense" you didn't ask for in it. I have been wanting to get a certain topic off my chest for a long time. Every time I try to tell one of the related stories I was told as a child, I keep backing out of it. I don't think it is very credible. Or perhaps it is more like I am deeply incredulous about what she [The Advisor] told me as a child.

Then again, many of the stories she used to teach me the background of events were found out to have actually happened. So my incredulity aside, I guess I should say it on the record because I never really know. Time will show if it was hockey puck or real.

As she and the Others taught me, their way of life, technology and the circumstances surrounding them can be seen as stranger than fiction. Yet, there it is.

When a witness reports seeing something I was told about 20 or 15 or 10 years ago....I always think "DAMN IT, she was telling the truth about that?"

LOL, sorry, but some things she claimed are a bit too much even for me. I always tend to downplay certain aspects of her "?wild claims?" until I get some hardcore evidence by way of mouth or seeing it in an abductees or contactees story/account.

When I am feeling brave, I just often post it even if I don't have the evidence to back up some of the ET groups claims. I am (sometimes) surprised that they were telling the truth. Sometimes, some claims seem like a logical extension of a previous story so I am not all that surprised even when I get to see third party confirmation that their claims about the life they lead through the years are very much true.

From the outsiders point of view, I am sure I am seen as "a nutter". I often wish I was.

You have no idea how I cringe when I see some guy or lady in the field reporting the same strangeness they have witnessed and it seems like an un/common reference. I have only heard of it through the crazy stories they told me when they had nothing better to do but provide a series of lesson on "things you should know".

Anyway, let me finish it up.

Thank you in advance for this fore. Looking forward to it. Much appreciated.

Fore
08-25-2012, 11:15 PM
Fore, You have given us all a great deal of info on what is to come. Now we are closer to what you have been talking about, is the psychic noise less? Is your clarity better? Can you say anymore?The noise hasn't disappeared. The last time I looked was about a year ago.

If everything remain steady, we will be at the noise in just a few months.

Fore
08-26-2012, 12:18 AM
Fore, You have given us all a great deal of info on what is to come. Now we are closer to what you have been talking about, is the psychic noise less? Is your clarity better? Can you say anymore?The noise hasn't disappeared. The last time I looked was about a year ago.

If everything remain steady, we will be at the noise in just a few months.

Member "Epo3" notified me a long time ago that "the noise" I might experience here, might coincide with a high level of electromagnetic interference. (In that case he pointed out my pre-cog went on the fritz during a solar event) Since then, I have tried to see if what he correlated is true. It seems it is the case.

So if we apply logic, there is a wall of noise in the future that prevents my pre-cog from working, it means there is a huge amount of electromagnetic disturbances of energy/influence at that point in time.

Consider the following
A)If it is being generated by the sun at that time frame....but...
The Sun cannot produce that kind of electromagnetic disturbance for such a prolonged period of time.

B) There is a massive release of electromagnetic contamination on the environment.
The only thing I can think of as a perpetual electromagnetic interference not caused by natural means is an environment caked in electromagnetic energy. Could be the use of Nuclear Weapons. But does radioactive contamination of an environment produce electromagnetic interference perpetually? I don't know. Perhaps?(War of Contracts maybe?)

C) Someone either human or non-human introduced electromagnetic noise into the Earth environment to give themselves some kind of advantage against entities with abilities like mine. Namely if someone couldn't filter it out, the people whom depend on constantly looking forward into the future wouldn't be able to....from that point forward. Like a blanket of static noise they would not be able to perceive anything reliably on an ESP level.

Wild guesses could be some kind of ESP counter measure against other ET. Could be a counter measure against Human beings with similar capabilities. Could be a side effect of some group of entities utilizing influence modification technology that ends up tilting the scales on Earths Influence Environment.

It is hard to say.

I doubt the ET's would be seriously impacted by it. They have enough strategy and intelligence that they don't require pre-cog abilities to conduct their business. They have had such abilities for a long time, so I assume they would know how to get around such a problem. Besides they have technology at their disposal that doesn't require ESP techniques to fetch sequenced information from a future period in time.

Everything is speculation since I don't know what generated the interference. Whatever caused it, it isn't too long until it is in present time.


Fore, You have given us all a great deal of info on what is to come. Now we are closer to what you have been talking about, is the psychic noise less? Is your clarity better? Can you say anymore?

I don't like the idea of being treated as some kind of prophet (let alone the false type) so I will only say, the only thing the Higher Order Beings have let me know is that a powerful Earthquake is going to occur in my region very soon. They said I didn't have to worry about it until the latter half of 2012. They claimed is not a natural occurrence, they claim responsibility for it and for the storms in the early half of 2012.

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I'd like to add another interesting tidbit that came from Epo3 correlation. Over the years I have felt on seldom occasions a massive amount of influence being released into the atmosphere. When it would happen my ESP senses would pick up on the massive disturbance that would emanate of the side of a city or just larger than a city.

The odd thing is sometimes they are simply an interference signal of gigantic proportions covering several miles. Just electromagnetic noise permeating an area. Other times they are accompanied by Higher Order beings activity with powerful and massive influence signatures whom are clearly manipulating the atmosphere or natural weather.

In the last few years, when I picked up the disturbances in the environment I looked at weather radar and geophysical disturbances created by sun ejections on the Earth.

I noticed that the "influence noise" sensed by my ESP senses picks up M and X class flares hitting the earth in my region. At other times when it was more intense and felt more localized or was accompanied by Higher Order activity, the weather radar showed round shapes of interference covering my area for several hours. Followed by intense storms.

So I can conclude that my ESP is sensitive to electrical and electromagnetic interference. Something which is already known by myself and the ET whom used to watch over me. I felt the interference and sensitivity whenever I could come close to or pass by a power station/sub station in my area.

I did not think until recently that I would be able to notice when the Earths Ionosphere would become charged due to intense ejections. I also didn't imagine that Higher Order Entities could affect storms until I noticed them doing so.

But what I really didn't expect was that these immense output Higher Order beings leaving behind a secondary interference pattern in nature that could be picked up by Doppler radar as interference.

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The point is, interference can come from many sources. Which one is the cause is hard to say unless I can actually pick up the source. In some cases the interference is there and no spiritual or sun ejection activity occurs. I have to then assume that somehow electromagnetic discharges are occurring from some unnatural source. (HAARP? <Shrug>)

I have had Higher Order beings stand nearby and in front of me telling me that they have been ordered to produce storms AND admit to being the cause of the storms in early 2012. When the storms came as they warned me about they also told me from which direction and how long so I could keep an eye on it.

I see people blaming HAARP and earthly governments as the ones destroying their own vast tracts of land. I have to frown a bit considering there are other sentient UT involved whom say they have been instructed to do so and will give you the time, heading and distance on which they will do it if it affects you.

They told me they only told me of any of it, because that is what they are told to do higher up the chain.

They told me they could not tell me when this Earthquake was going to happen exactly because I wasn't privileged enough to know. They told me I wouldn't have to worry about it until the latter half of 2012. They gave me instructions on where to go and what an earthquake is like when it begins. (I have never experienced an earthquake of a high magnitude.)

They told me to be ready and run outside into the street when the signs of the occurrence begin to manifest as described. They said there would be about anywhere from 3 to 20ish seconds of subtle shaking followed by an intensification in intensity. They told me to go out "there" and "stay" until the shaking had subsided. They said the intensity of the quake was sufficient that many strong structures would suffer a collapse. They said many wooden houses would not stand for very long as it occurred.

They spoke to me in very plain English from January to April and said that I wouldn't have a house to return to when it occurs. They spelled out in their words that many buildings were not prepared for that intensity. I asked them on the seismic scale how strong are we talking about? They gave me the above response rather than a number.

They said there would be no further warning on the Earthquake in the future. They would only send another to warn when the storms were near (in early 2012).

They did exactly that.

pontificator
08-26-2012, 02:08 AM
B) There is a massive release of electromagnetic contamination on the environment.
The only thing I can think of as a perpetual electromagnetic interference not caused by natural means is an environment caked in electromagnetic energy. Could be the use of Nuclear Weapons. But does radioactive contamination of an environment produce electromagnetic interference perpetually? I don't know. Perhaps?(War of Contracts maybe?)


I'm thinking that it could be a wind-borne contaminant, or projectile carried if it is ejecta. There are many materials that can produce a widespread electromagnetic effect, and if there were a suitably large impact by a celestial body somewhere it could contaminate the dust cloud. It is also possible that the Earth itself could move through an area of space that is in high electromagnetic flux, and I would think this would be the best candidate for an unknown unknown as it were [celestial effect, gas clouds, electromagnetic beams from an unknown body in space etc].

In terms of nuclear weapons, the EMP effect is limited to the initial blast wave, as would a large meteor exploding in an air-burst. In both cases the EMP is present as a pulse, and would affect anything with a certain area of catchment that acted like an aerial [your house wiring for example.] For those of you who want to protect something, keep a generator inside of a chicken wire mesh cage [EXAMPLE:http://apnetting.en.ecplaza.net/chicken-wire-mesh--303108-2328643.html] on its own, keep it clean, and don't use it unless you have it inside of a whole meshed room [this is assuming the effect is occurring externally, because if it can self-generate from within the cage then you are screwed.] In fact, any electronic product you wish to keep safe should be in a meshed room, and should be disassembled where possible with no power whatsoever [including batteries.] With those measures you might have something that works after the effect has dissipated several years, or more, later.

In the mean time, if you are really concerned over this matter, you should do some reading on air-powered systems and steam-power, as they will all still work [old diesel engines, being pressure based, can be made to start with a hand-crank and no electrical power, but fuel will be a concern after a time]. You can even make a pretty nifty computing device http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17730-new-microprocessor-runs-on-thin-air.html with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumatic_tube data transport system. So, overall, once the initial chaos is over I am looking at moving on to a more interesting technological paradigm.

@Fore, hopefully you are not moving anywhere that'll be too "exciting"?

Fore
08-26-2012, 07:58 AM
@Fore, hopefully you are not moving anywhere that'll be too "exciting"?

We live on a sphere, there is nowhere where it won't be exciting. Perhaps there are places where it will less exciting or more exciting...but exciting nonetheless.

If there is a difference, I don't know of it. I am just leaving for a lot of reasons.

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The gas lines, water lines, foundation, roof and indoor remodeling have all been repaired over the months since January.

Either the guy who owns the property has overheard the conversations I have had with the family or he just coincidentally wanted to do about 15 thousand in repairs for his own reasons. (? -Shrug-)

Either way, I take it that living next to the largest city in the USA is probably a bad idea. Living in one of the super-power nations is probably not the best place to live if the Higher Order folks are saying they are about to pound the pavement. The tempo can only get worse from that point on, I think.

It'll be Funny or Ironic when Americans try to flee to Mexico or Canada. If you watch the news, everything is pretty much going straight down hill. No matter where you move things will get to the bare bone (or worse).

The USA maybe has 2 years tops. Maybe less if you believe some financial analysts on when the wheels will come off this cart.

Fore
08-26-2012, 08:19 AM
@ Pontif/Nueru/Montalk

By the way,

I have been keeping an eye on this guy since recently. Just to study his internal mechanisms and how he is put together. Some of it is just to see how one of these types works. He is easier to observe than some of the other ones with more clutter in them.

What I found interesting today is that he came to realize he was being duped by the other source he depends on. I found his reactions more fascinating and interesting than anything else. In some of his videos you can see the Keys and Locks system in use in a very naked fashion.

People thought I kept an eye on him because he was some source of truth. Not at all. I just couldn't help but stare at how they work him over. How these sources become prominent and how they leak disinfo. Some of his ideas are interesting and other times funny.

But more than anything else he exemplified many interesting behaviors.

Somehow, Someway he seems to have come to realize that one important point in the ET propaganda being played out in the play-field of human minds.

How little a point it takes to crack the walls of such a brittle castle of lies.

Watch this video and examine some of his other ones on his channel to see what I mean. Ignore the irrelevant videos that don't really show much except his stance on topics. Its interesting to see the responses and the behaviors at some points. It is somehow like looking at a working example. More than anything I am surprised that there was a break.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wClCyjQ7JU

I wish the other "lightworkers" he cites realized the same thing. That would be more interesting to watch than an episode of 24 and Jerry Springer combined.

montalk
08-26-2012, 08:25 AM
So if we apply logic, there is a wall of noise in the future that prevents my pre-cog from working, it means there is a huge amount of electromagnetic disturbances of energy/influence at that point in time.

Consider the following
A)If it is being generated by the sun at that time frame....but...
The Sun cannot produce that kind of electromagnetic disturbance for such a prolonged period of time.

Roughly how long a period of time?

If the source happens to be cosmic, then it could be a supernova like the one in 1054AD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1054), which was visible for almost a month during daylight hours. If a significant one were to hit us soon, then really it went off centuries ago, meaning aliens with superluminal abilities would have already known about it hundreds of years in advance, giving them an advantage in leveraging it.



B) There is a massive release of electromagnetic contamination on the environment.
The only thing I can think of as a perpetual electromagnetic interference not caused by natural means is an environment caked in electromagnetic energy. Could be the use of Nuclear Weapons. But does radioactive contamination of an environment produce electromagnetic interference perpetually? I don't know. Perhaps?(War of Contracts maybe?)

The alpha (hydrogen nuclei) and beta (electron) radiation probably don't qualify as EM radiation, but the gamma rays might. X-Rays are relative close to gamma, so if you ever felt influence scrambling from chest/dentist x-rays, that might be it. As for EM Pulse from atmospheric nukes, those are pretty short lived like the EMP from solar impacts. If it's just plain old nuclear radiation, then you ought to sense the noise near nuke power plants and even really close to smoke detectors since they tend to have a little bit of radiation in them.


C) Someone either human or non-human introduced electromagnetic noise into the Earth environment to give themselves some kind of advantage against entities with abilities like mine. Namely if someone couldn't filter it out, the people whom depend on constantly looking forward into the future wouldn't be able to....from that point forward. Like a blanket of static noise they would not be able to perceive anything reliably on an ESP level.

Wild guesses could be some kind of ESP counter measure against other ET. Could be a counter measure against Human beings with similar capabilities. Could be a side effect of some group of entities utilizing influence modification technology that ends up tilting the scales on Earths Influence Environment.


Hmm, kind of like the scenario where the military suddenly rounds up people on a black list, including suspected hybrids and contactees. So they'd have even more success if they first set off a psychic scrambler beforehand to disable precognition, then swoop in and scoop them up like fish ... yeah I can see that being likely. The electric grid and internet/cell-phone grid would go down too in conjunction with that. (Btw, this theme of black ops implementing a sustained global EMP scrambling weapon has shown up in a couple TV shows: Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series)), Afterworld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterworld_(TV_series)), and Revolutions. (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/17/nbcs-revolution-shows-life-after-an-electromagnetic-pulse-attack/)


The point is, interference can come from many sources. Which one is the cause is hard to say unless I can actually pick up the source.

(quoted as a reminder)


I don't know about Montalk, but mine would tell me exactly what they were going to do and how and when before they put it into action. Just because I wouldn't cooperate. [...]
Mine were more verbose and open about it in telling me.

Some of the Grey even went as far as to tell me to go somewhere during an appointed time, so I could see car accidents they caused by interfering with the thought process of a driver. (Luckily no one dies...yet)

Then they point out that they can do the same to my family. (When they are in a bad mood)

So the choice is clear, you know they have the capability and they can get away with it. No one will ever suspect anything. You either do what they want, or you or your loved ones can suffer like the strangers in front of you.

Well, you're giving out information and using abilities that they think they own, plus they think they own you too. Doesn't justify it, but compared to me who's been on the outside and knows less inside information, would make sense that they come down on you harder.

But more importantly, in your case the verbal conduit is an additional means of control. They can modify your behavior without always having to follow through with a threat. Maybe they would indeed follow through in every case if they had to, but then again maybe they bluff sometimes if they don't think you'll know the difference. Meaning, they could be extracting more control than they actually deserve. Though who'd want to risk testing it?

In thinking about this, what came to mind was your incident with Alphet and the grey alien, and how he or someone like him seemed to shake his head at you listening to your group, asking why you let them control you ... I can't find the post, so I'm probably remembering that wrong, but I wanted to bring that up as a possible connection to explore.

And FWIW, no I don't get verbal threats because I'm not psychic like you. So they can't ever warn me first, then demonstrate someone getting hurt, then tell me that I or my loved ones are next. If I do something, and someone I know gets hurt, but I never make the connection of it being a reprisal, then it's useless for behavior modification in my case.

I get threats from idiots by email occasionally, and a couple times in dreams, but it only eggs me on. If I feel something is important enough, I'll go kamikaze and let the chips fall where they may. But maybe that's just fool's courage. If they want to stop me, they do it through TI, posthypnotic commands, and distractions, which works up until the point I realize what's going on and fight it. Which isn't all the time, unfortunately. And they also do it through electronic/auto/health damages, but that's rarer and I find that keeping up my spiritual health cuts down such physical incidences.

Fore
08-26-2012, 08:56 AM
Roughly how long a period of time? Hard to say since I couldn't see the other side. But at the very minimum a year or more. (probably more than just a year)


If the source happens to be cosmic, then it could be a supernova like the one in 1054AD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1054), which was visible for almost a month during daylight hours. If a significant one were to hit us soon, then really it went off centuries ago, meaning aliens with superluminal abilities would have already known about it hundreds of years in advance, giving them an advantage in leveraging it. Wouldn't a supernova cook us all to death in a moment? (well one close enough to affect us more than just a pinpoint of light.)




The alpha (hydrogen nuclei) and beta (electron) radiation probably don't qualify as EM radiation, but the gamma rays might. X-Rays are relative close to gamma, so if you ever felt influence scrambling from chest/dentist x-rays, that might be it. That very idea crossed my mind.

Problem is, X-Rays are only felt by my field for a fraction of a moment. Even when the switch is engaged for a few seconds. From my point of view it feels like a momentary static discharge. On ESP it registers as a barely noticeable light with odd feedback properties.


As for EM Pulse from atmospheric nukes, those are pretty short lived like the EMP from solar impacts. If it's just plain old nuclear radiation, then you ought to sense the noise near nuke power plants and even really close to smoke detectors since they tend to have a little bit of radiation in them. I haven't been to a nuclear reactor site so I have never memorized what a Neutron Ray or Gamma Ray looks like at an ESP level or it's signature qualities.

I don't have one of those smoke detectors on hand at the moment but I don't recall ever feeling anything odd from them when I was younger. (less sensitive)

The noise is very similar to the type of noise you feel at an ESP level when near a sub-station or high tension power lines. getting closer than 1500 to 500ft causes me pain. The energy patterns in the wire are extremely intense and seem to leak out extensively into the atmosphere.

As I turned down my abilities over the years the sensitivity has decreased. Even holding charged batteries doesn't hurt as much anymore.


Hmm, kind of like the scenario where the military suddenly rounds up people on a black list, including suspected hybrids and contactees. So they'd have even more success if they first set off a psychic scrambler beforehand to disable precognition, then swoop in and scoop them up like fish ... yeah I can see that being likely. The electric grid and internet/cell-phone grid would go down too in conjunction with that. (Btw, this theme of black ops implementing a sustained global EMP scrambling weapon has shown up in a couple TV shows: Jericho (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_(TV_series)), Afterworld (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterworld_(TV_series)), and Revolutions. (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/05/17/nbcs-revolution-shows-life-after-an-electromagnetic-pulse-attack/) Would put quite the dampener on society wouldn't it....

Perhaps it a defensive rather than an offensive method?

I mean what ^would^ stop the ET's from brainwashing the populace with intense broadcasts across their mental landscape? Morality? Ethics? I can't see that stopping them if they were so inclined.

Fore
08-26-2012, 09:49 AM
Well, you're giving out information and using abilities that they think they own, plus they think they own you too. Doesn't justify it, but compared to me who's been on the outside and knows less inside information, would make sense that they come down on you harder. Have you ever noticed that if you lambast/criticize a Grey for being incompetent at a certain task they never seem to reply. Yet, if you tell another person some information they don't want others to know, they get hostile?

Why is that? (Just a joking reference)

(Yet, if you ever say that to a Nordic they get so incredibly hostile as if you kicked their first born.)


But more importantly, in your case the verbal conduit is an additional means of control. They can modify your behavior without always having to follow through with a threat. Maybe they would indeed follow through in every case if they had to, but then again maybe they bluff sometimes if they don't think you'll know the difference. Meaning, they could be extracting more control than they actually deserve.
Good point. I hadn't realized that until just now.


Though who'd want to risk testing it? Me, on a "good" day. ;)


In thinking about this, what came to mind was your incident with Alphet and the grey alien, and how he or someone like him seemed to shake his head at you listening to your group, asking why you let them control you ... I can't find the post, so I'm probably remembering that wrong, but I wanted to bring that up as a possible connection to explore. Yeah, I recall the incident. It is as you described.

Though I wonder if he ("Alphet" - Nodic Male) and the other mysterious lady aren't the ones whom actually run the ET group.

I can't say I have any evidence, but they always seem to pop up out of nowhere and when they let themselves be noticed....it is disturbing how close they can get without me even noticing it. Even though the other Grey Males moved on and the group got dissolved and replaced by other strangers. I noticed the Nordic male and female were still there hanging around.

Is it that they can't talk if the other males aren't there or is it that they just aren't interested? The Advisor claimed they were from her original group. But I rarely see them or even hear them interact with me. They only pop in for a moment as if they were always there and then disappear.

It makes me wonder what was so different about that situation that they intruded? Those two nordics are even lower key than the Grey supervisors. Heck I probably know less about them than the other ET.

Which is surprising since the Advisor was so talkative and yet these guys barely say anything. They only seem to show up when things get heated or the Advisor talks to them directly. Even then it was spooky that she knew they were there and I didn't. Whatever stealth technology those Nordic folks use it must be a top notch implementation.


And FWIW, no I don't get verbal threats because I'm not psychic like you. So they can't ever warn me first, then demonstrate someone getting hurt, then tell me that I or my loved ones are next. If I do something, and someone I know gets hurt, but I never make the connection of it being a reprisal, then it's useless for behavior modification in my case.

I get threats from idiots by email occasionally, and a couple times in dreams, but it only eggs me on. If I feel something is important enough, I'll go kamikaze and let the chips fall where they may. But maybe that's just fool's courage. If they want to stop me, they do it through TI, posthypnotic commands, and distractions, which works up until the point I realize what's going on and fight it. Have you found anything that works exceptionally well?

tl2
08-26-2012, 11:50 AM
The noise hasn't disappeared. The last time I looked was about a year ago.

If everything remain steady, we will be at the noise in just a few months.

Member "Epo3" notified me a long time ago that "the noise" I might experience here, might coincide with a high level of electromagnetic interference. (In that case he pointed out my pre-cog went on the fritz during a solar event) Since then, I have tried to see if what he correlated is true. It seems it is the case.

So if we apply logic, there is a wall of noise in the future that prevents my pre-cog from working, it means there is a huge amount of electromagnetic disturbances of energy/influence at that point in time.

Consider the following
A)If it is being generated by the sun at that time frame....but...
The Sun cannot produce that kind of electromagnetic disturbance for such a prolonged period of time.

B) There is a massive release of electromagnetic contamination on the environment.
The only thing I can think of as a perpetual electromagnetic interference not caused by natural means is an environment caked in electromagnetic energy. Could be the use of Nuclear Weapons. But does radioactive contamination of an environment produce electromagnetic interference perpetually? I don't know. Perhaps?(War of Contracts maybe?)

C) Someone either human or non-human introduced electromagnetic noise into the Earth environment to give themselves some kind of advantage against entities with abilities like mine. Namely if someone couldn't filter it out, the people whom depend on constantly looking forward into the future wouldn't be able to....from that point forward. Like a blanket of static noise they would not be able to perceive anything reliably on an ESP level.

Wild guesses could be some kind of ESP counter measure against other ET. Could be a counter measure against Human beings with similar capabilities. Could be a side effect of some group of entities utilizing influence modification technology that ends up tilting the scales on Earths Influence Environment.

It is hard to say.

I doubt the ET's would be seriously impacted by it. They have enough strategy and intelligence that they don't require pre-cog abilities to conduct their business. They have had such abilities for a long time, so I assume they would know how to get around such a problem. Besides they have technology at their disposal that doesn't require ESP techniques to fetch sequenced information from a future period in time.

Everything is speculation since I don't know what generated the interference. Whatever caused it, it isn't too long until it is in present time.



I don't like the idea of being treated as some kind of prophet (let alone the false type) so I will only say, the only thing the Higher Order Beings have let me know is that a powerful Earthquake is going to occur in my region very soon. They said I didn't have to worry about it until the latter half of 2012. They claimed is not a natural occurrence, they claim responsibility for it and for the storms in the early half of 2012.

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I'd like to add another interesting tidbit that came from Epo3 correlation. Over the years I have felt on seldom occasions a massive amount of influence being released into the atmosphere. When it would happen my ESP senses would pick up on the massive disturbance that would emanate of the side of a city or just larger than a city.

The odd thing is sometimes they are simply an interference signal of gigantic proportions covering several miles. Just electromagnetic noise permeating an area. Other times they are accompanied by Higher Order beings activity with powerful and massive influence signatures whom are clearly manipulating the atmosphere or natural weather.

In the last few years, when I picked up the disturbances in the environment I looked at weather radar and geophysical disturbances created by sun ejections on the Earth.

I noticed that the "influence noise" sensed by my ESP senses picks up M and X class flares hitting the earth in my region. At other times when it was more intense and felt more localized or was accompanied by Higher Order activity, the weather radar showed round shapes of interference covering my area for several hours. Followed by intense storms.

So I can conclude that my ESP is sensitive to electrical and electromagnetic interference. Something which is already known by myself and the ET whom used to watch over me. I felt the interference and sensitivity whenever I could come close to or pass by a power station/sub station in my area.

I did not think until recently that I would be able to notice when the Earths Ionosphere would become charged due to intense ejections. I also didn't imagine that Higher Order Entities could affect storms until I noticed them doing so.

But what I really didn't expect was that these immense output Higher Order beings leaving behind a secondary interference pattern in nature that could be picked up by Doppler radar as interference.

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The point is, interference can come from many sources. Which one is the cause is hard to say unless I can actually pick up the source. In some cases the interference is there and no spiritual or sun ejection activity occurs. I have to then assume that somehow electromagnetic discharges are occurring from some unnatural source. (HAARP? <Shrug>)

I have had Higher Order beings stand nearby and in front of me telling me that they have been ordered to produce storms AND admit to being the cause of the storms in early 2012. When the storms came as they warned me about they also told me from which direction and how long so I could keep an eye on it.

I see people blaming HAARP and earthly governments as the ones destroying their own vast tracts of land. I have to frown a bit considering there are other sentient UT involved whom say they have been instructed to do so and will give you the time, heading and distance on which they will do it if it affects you.

They told me they only told me of any of it, because that is what they are told to do higher up the chain.

They told me they could not tell me when this Earthquake was going to happen exactly because I wasn't privileged enough to know. They told me I wouldn't have to worry about it until the latter half of 2012. They gave me instructions on where to go and what an earthquake is like when it begins. (I have never experienced an earthquake of a high magnitude.)

They told me to be ready and run outside into the street when the signs of the occurrence begin to manifest as described. They said there would be about anywhere from 3 to 20ish seconds of subtle shaking followed by an intensification in intensity. They told me to go out "there" and "stay" until the shaking had subsided. They said the intensity of the quake was sufficient that many strong structures would suffer a collapse. They said many wooden houses would not stand for very long as it occurred.

They spoke to me in very plain English from January to April and said that I wouldn't have a house to return to when it occurs. They spelled out in their words that many buildings were not prepared for that intensity. I asked them on the seismic scale how strong are we talking about? They gave me the above response rather than a number.

They said there would be no further warning on the Earthquake in the future. They would only send another to warn when the storms were near (in early 2012).

They did exactly that.

Thanks for your in depth reply. I have heard from others that the next 12 months will be the earth shakers so that fits with your timeline. I am in the UK but I feel I should get away from the coast.

The length of interference you mention sounds like some kind of psychic weapon due to its sustained length.

All I know is that I keep having dreams about this stuff and its bothering me.

Neuru
08-26-2012, 04:22 PM
As for this long-term psychic/EM interference downing the electric grid and communications networks globally, beginning in a few months... don't take this as denial, but wouldn't that make the War of Contracts basically impossible? Wasn't the original plan that the war would be stopped (and these systems crippled) after several nuclear exchanges had already occurred? (Obviously not speaking as an ET strategist here, there could have been a change in plans.)

djedhi
08-26-2012, 07:02 PM
could the distortion be caused by an Etheric Tide, as described on montalk.net? maybe the distortion is the latent background energies turned up to 11, which would describe the sustained level, is there a way to tune "up" to possibly make out details, like a filter? also- Betelgeuse is a likely candidate to go super nova any time now (cosmologically) and it's pretty dang close.

Garuda
08-26-2012, 07:21 PM
could the distortion be caused by an Etheric Tide, as described on montalk.net? maybe the distortion is the latent background energies turned up to 11, which would describe the sustained level, is there a way to tune "up" to possibly make out details, like a filter? also- Betelgeuse is a likely candidate to go super nova any time now (cosmologically) and it's pretty dang close.

Welcome aboard!

But... Betelgeuse is approx. 650 light years away from us, which isn't very close and puts us well out of the danger zone, and it can just as well take another million years before it goes supernova...

djedhi
08-26-2012, 07:53 PM
ah, thank you!

montalk mentioned the 1054AD crab nebula as an example of a source

"If the source happens to be cosmic, then it could be a supernova like the one in 1054AD, which was visible for almost a month during daylight hours."

which would be about 10x farther than betelgeuse, but you are right- cosmologically a million years is very well pretty soon in the scheme of things.

just a thought :)

Fore
08-26-2012, 08:31 PM
The dangerous part of a supernova isn't the explosion itself as much as the types that become pulsars or eject material out one tail end.

The best way I have seen it described in interviews and documentaries is that in some types of supernovas after the main body has been pushed away and the core of the star collapses. There is sometimes a "jet like" funnel of energy which gathers on either end of the star or (sometimes only on one end). This ejected material and energy sometimes ejects like a funnel which concentrates the energy in one direction.

This effect is called a gamma ray burst. Think of it as natures death ray. Which if it faces our direction (supposedly) even from a distance of one thousand light years it would fry us to death in an instant. Luckily they reported that it is an unlikely event considering most stars in close proximity are going to live for a very long time before they die out.

If a gamma ray burst were to strike the earth that would kill both the ET and us at the same time. Then again, like Montalk said, if they travel faster than light, then they would know of it well ahead of us.

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If it were an asteroid coming our way (as predicted in the Bible, by the way, as one of the events that must take place) then the ET would also know about it ahead of time.

I saw rumors on the old forum about the Vatican looking for something in the sky by using an observatory somewhere.

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@ djedhi

Could it be filtered out or circumvented to find the source.... Sure, it probably could be, but it would require me turning on my abilities once again. Something I pledged not to and don't want to do anymore.

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It could be a psi weapon that is deployed at that time. The ET told me all about those things that were developed and how they generally work.

djedhi
08-26-2012, 09:19 PM
ah, i apologize- just curious.

Fore
08-26-2012, 09:33 PM
It could be a psi weapon that is deployed at that time. The ET told me all about those things that were developed and how they generally work.

The basic concept behind a PSI weapon is how you approach creating the end effect that disturbs someone elses influence field...

Keep closely in mind, an influence field does not exist in physical space.

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Here is the chain of logic they would have applied if what the ET said is true about crude psi weapons. If you are a Russian or American scientist and you know about spacetime (physical space) and Influence Space being conjoined and mimicking each others behaviors (simplified for you sake).

Then if a "genius" says, well...we can't modify influence space directly....we don't have the technology yet.

Then another "genius" says, well...if we can't modify influence directly, then why don't we use the mimicking behavior in material physics to our advantage to manipulate influence space indirectly?

One scientist floats the idea that they are good at manipulating electricity and electromagnetism.

The other scientist asks for a grant in a black lab somewhere and they both rub their brains together trying out different ways of modifying pulsed electrical and electromagnetic effects. Watching for influence space anomalies.

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They try different methods until they finally find one that produced the correct kind of secondary distortions in influence space.

They manipulate electrical and electromagnetic properties in a strange (seemingly nonsensical way) to create adjacent distortions and interference patterns in influence space. A sort of proxy interference.

The electrical/electromagnetic noise that results in "physical space" itself does nothing to the human body of the psyche. But the resulting influence interference patterns that mimic this "physical behavior of electricity and electromagnetism" induces influence noise that affects the influence processes in an individual.

People in the propagating influence noise begin finding it harder for their influence centers to operate properly. The influence noise affects their patterns sufficiently that it degrades or alters the performance of their cognitive loop.

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Another "genius" says, damn the Russians beat us to that already....what if we want it to be more directional for use against heads of state?

Another "genius" funds the research into directional microwaves as opposed to radio waves. Porting one agitating effect into another form of agitating "influence space".

Fore
08-26-2012, 09:54 PM
As for this long-term psychic/EM interference downing the electric grid and communications networks globally, beginning in a few months... don't take this as denial, Oh hey, I didn't say that.

All I know is that it affects my ESP. What is causing it I don't know yet. There are tons of natural phenomena that can affect a persons ESP perception. Most of those don't require "taking down networks globally" or "electric grids or communications".

All I want to say on the record is that something is causing interference. Its probably electromagnetic noise (EMI = Electro Magnetic Interference). What is the source? I don't know. I speculate on a wide range of possibilities for what could be sustained for such a protracted period of time.

I don't want to be seen as saying anything else. I/We are talking about what could cause such a prolonged interference pattern. So far a few things seem to be unlikely based on scope, scale and longevity.



but wouldn't that make the War of Contracts basically impossible? Wasn't the original plan that the war would be stopped (and these systems crippled) after several nuclear exchanges had already occurred? (Obviously not speaking as an ET strategist here, there could have been a change in plans.)The War of Contracts is a core scenario as depicted by the Advisor.

But as others have pointed out, gamma rays may persist after such an event but an EMP would last only a few seconds. So whatever is causing the interference is probably not a nuclear exchange if we go by that.

I don't get to see gamma rays every day so I have no clue what they look like on ESP. So far the noise in the future seems to resemble generalized EMI the most.

It doesn't have the same patterns as Microwaves. So I don't know what the cause might be.

pontificator
08-27-2012, 02:17 AM
Oh hey, I didn't say that.

All I know is that it affects my ESP. What is causing it I don't know yet. There are tons of natural phenomena that can affect a persons ESP perception. Most of those don't require "taking down networks globally" or "electric grids or communications".

All I want to say on the record is that something is causing interference. Its probably electromagnetic noise (EMI = Electro Magnetic Interference). What is the source? I don't know. I speculate on a wide range of possibilities for what could be sustained for such a protracted period of time.

@Fore, That was probably my bad earlier, so apologies there. I remember in a very old post [probably 2008-2009 timeframe] something about the Advisor mentioning about issues with electron based technologies, so I kind of put two and two together to get 5...

Fore
08-27-2012, 04:01 AM
@Fore, That was probably my bad earlier, so apologies there. I remember in a very old post [probably 2008-2009 timeframe] something about the Advisor mentioning about issues with electron based technologies, so I kind of put two and two together to get 5...
I know what you and Nueru are referring to.

I just want to make it very clear that those scenarios may happen in the future.

Though, to be clear we are discussing the nature of the static in the future. As opposed to setting a date for an event in which I do not know _when exactly_ it should happen.

I just don't want some third party on the internet to start claiming that I said an asteroid is going to plaster the earth in 2013. (because the static is there) That may happen someday in the near future, but I don't know when.

All we are discussing is what the nature of the static "might be". >>> Speculation

montalk
08-27-2012, 07:25 AM
For the sake of speculation, another possibility is neutrinos (http://icecube.wisc.edu/info/neutrinos). They're always passing through us, but with solar flares comes a spike in neutrino flux. Neutrino sources include Sun, stars, supernovas, inner-earth radioactive decay, nuke plants, and particle accelerators (http://profmattstrassler.com/2011/09/23/how-to-make-a-neutrino-beam/).

There was a study out of Stanford (http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html) suggesting neutrinos from the Sun affect radioactive decay here on Earth. Meanwhile, Louis Kervran (http://www.rexresearch.com/kervran/kervran.htm) suspected neutrinos were responsible for biological forms of alchemy, like chickens creating calcium out of potassium when needed. And Wilhelm Reich (http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm) claimed that orgone energy (type of influence) affected radioactive decay, which connects back up with the Stanford study and neutrinos.

So if there's such a link between neutrinos and influence, then either a natural or weaponized source of extreme neutrino flux might create corresponding influence static. No idea if that has/can be done, but it was worth a mention.


(Yet, if you ever say that to a Nordic they get so incredibly hostile as if you kicked their first born.)

Ha, maybe their ego matches their IQ. Could be a bit of Luciferian pride there? If these are the same folks known throughout folklore and mythology under other names, then their haughty reputation precedes them. As for greys, they seem to have the emotional sensitivity of a washing machine.


If they want to stop me, they do it through TI, posthypnotic commands, and distractions, which works up until the point I realize what's going on and fight it. Which isn't all the time, unfortunately.


Have you found anything that works exceptionally well?

No magic bullets so far. Detection of it happening is the first and most important step, then comes using willpower to refuse to act upon its intended aim until its window of opportunity has passed. Detection involves recognizing the memorized feelings/symptoms and continuously looking forward at the possible bad outcomes of what I feel nudged into doing. For something like sleep-time manipulation or programming, which seems to involve an entity (not sure if it's alien or discarnate) standing nearby and jacking into the field in/around the left ear, I once found that a new, clean, 100% silk ski-mask blocked its attempts. But the silk never blocked ear ringings.

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Btw, speaking of PSI weapons ... you once mentioned seeing a documentary on Russian psychotronic weapons. I found something related, simple devices made by a Czech guy named Robert Pavlita. He seems to have rudimentary understanding of influence, influence centers, influence types, and claims to have constructed geometric gadgets that make use of various types for various functions.

main article -- http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_psychotronicweapons05.htm
some pics -- http://www.rexresearch.com/pavlita/pavlita.htm
more pics, of other PSI devices -- http://community-2.webtv.net/SkyVessel-1/RPG/

montalk
08-27-2012, 11:40 PM
Sometimes when conducting scans, they can accidentally leave behind "information" gathered from 1 of the other 4 members. Like say a conversation. That embedded information (true story, I swear) can sometimes show up in another persons head as an idea. The ET refer to this mistake, a sort of cross contamination.

Sometimes, Even when precautions are followed through, the cross contamination occurs when individuals are linked together without their knowing it. What happens in one corner, sometimes spreads to the other corner without any rhyme or reason to those affected.

What if, I told you it wasn't always an unintentional event?

What if, I said it sometimes it is a side effect that occurs because they rewrite field patterns over a wide array of individuals and they sometimes (rather incompetently) leave some bits from one end on the other.


This would resolve a long standing mystery for me, which is two or three people in my online and personal circle sometimes getting the exact same physical health issue in the same part of the body at the same time. Really specific but not always severe things. It happened even among those who never directly interact with each other, which was what stumped me since without interaction they couldn't transfer such patterns to each other directly. But a third party observer doing it makes sense. So I think health-associated influence patterns can also cross contaminate too.

A99
08-28-2012, 05:48 PM
<div>The information below is further extrapolation on those "PINGS" I talked about (see below)(note to Fore: I'm not out for the Pulitzer Prize in writing Fore and this is afterall a public forum anyway comprised of non-writers who are simply sharing their own experiences and insights on topics discussed in this forum.)</div><div>
</div><div>I can relate, at least on some level to this current conversation. In my case, I will get a high-pitched P-I-N-G! that even has a physical electrical kind of sensation to it when they occur where my 'guardian' (she calls herself a guardian) will simultaneously say something like my name or a few short words and I've even gotten the word "No!" or "Stop" before too in certain situations. The vast majority of times, it only my name that is said simultaneously with that PING. More often than not, I get them when I am slightly in the 'zone' yet I am in a completely awake and alert conscious state of mind but sometimes I will get them even when I'm engaged in a conversation with someone and sometimes I am even multi-tasking too at the same time... so go figure. I don't get those PINGs on a regular basis though during the day ... only occasionally.&nbsp;</div><div>But, I DO get them more often at night because my guardian will PING me and say my name to WAKE ME UP at night immediately following a lucid dream that apparently she wants me to remember. So I will be in a seemingly deep sleep state in the middle of the night having a vivid lucid dream where out of nowhere I'll get that LOUD electrical PING with my name being said where the PING is so loud and palpable... it actually jerks me out of my sleep state. And ALWAYS, it is immediately following a lucid dream.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In addition to this, she will also PING a few times saying my name too, to prevent me from falling to sleep on some occasions due to the presence of someone else or 'others' in the room with me. I'm very mediumistic and if they are around, there is a danger that one of them will try to merge with me... she guards the gate and prevents me from falling to sleep during those times. Sometimes when they try to merge with me when I am sound asleep, she will PING me then too ... saying "Linda, WAKE UP!". In fact she says that too alot of times just after a lucid dream.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As for who are the "others". I am an ET experiencer. I have written about my encounters before several times in that other forum including the ongoing recurring lucid dreams of them that started in my early childhood years.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>But as for the 'others'.... sometimes they are ETs of the grey or reptilian type (I will not be seeing them but I strongly sense they are there -- they have a very strong almost rotten egg kinds stench) ... other times the "others" are human disincarates of the earthbound type that are not malevolent ... they are just connected to the place where I am currently living. No matter where I live, those kinds are always around. My own regular contacts will then be around too... to watch over me and protect me.... my guardian will be there too but she is always around me anyway.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And finally... there those human disincarnates that are not connected to the place where I live but are those earthbound 'wanderers' (or sometimes they are from the place most others are at which is on a higher level). Those ones occasionally show up too. On those occasions when a human disincarnate merges with me, should my guardian not PING me right away, I will see mind's eye scenario's playing out in lucid dream form and in those cases, they are scenes from another time era... and I am always the observer watching the scene unfold. It's like watching a past life only that's not what it is... it's a human disincarnate who is showing me scene from his or her life when they were in the physical. Then there are times when I will be an observer of scenes played out with someone who is presently living in the physical but that's another topic....&nbsp;</div><div>But I have had encounters with malevolent beings too... and of course, any presence of any ET when they have that stench like that or when one will climb into bed with me and lean on me... that's very, very unsettling and I spring out of bed when that happens. The reptilians will do that...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, sorry for rambling on but my PINGS come from my guardian. To my knowledge they are not from any ET.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>One last thing... my brother-in-law is a radiologist who is part owner of several MRI clinics across the country. He checked me out and ruled out any medical cause for those PINGS I get. I had an MRI scan and etc....</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>First off, I only referred to that sound as a "PING" because that's what others in that conversation were calling them. I can't recall if Montalk called them that but I know Fore did so instead of calling them a BEEP (actually a high pitched screechy kind of beep like I did before)I simply used his term for it. I just did a quick simulation of that sound that I get that I referred to as a ping in a sound editor and even though it is not exactly what I hear as it has a more screechy sound quality to it (but not always because sometimes they are more of a pure tone than screechy), the overall tone and the duration of that hard-edged tone in this recording is close enough for me to post it here as example of what it sounds like. http://www.filefactory.com/file/1o1b3nvpm357</div><div><br></div><div>One thing I completely forgot to mention in my posts in that thread about those "pings" is that I also simultaneous HEAR them in my left ear when they occur. So, at least in my case, I feel an almost electrical sensation in my head AND hear that sound in my left ear when I get them. And in addition to this, I also hear a female voice, that is my guardian say something to me too and this too occurs simultaneously when I get those 'beeps'. I explained all of that in my 2 posts in that thread.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>This morning, I was reading over some of Montalk's material on his website and found the following link to a site on those "Ear Tones". Here is that link:</div><div>http://in2worlds.net/eartonesringings</div><div><br></div><div>The following are some comments made by the author of that page on his own experiences with this phenomenon as well as those descriptions by other on how they experience them. I'm quoting some phrases from that page below of those comments that I can relate to in terms of my own experiences of them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>
I’ve experienced a burning “fried” feeling in my ears (note: in my case though, that "fried" sensation is felt in my head... not my left ear.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>
I was literally being “gonged” (note: yes, that's exactly what it feels like when I get them too. Also, I too sometimes feel slightly dizzy when I get them too.)</div><div><br></div><div>
</div><div>I awoke at about 10 a.m. after an “eventful” night involving more weird stuff, [which I won’t get into here] and experienced an ear ringing in my left ear accompanied by a body spasm. My body jerked and spasmed as if given a jolt of electricity, but without the pain. </div><div><br></div><div>
So as we can see, there’s a variety of ways in which ear tones are being triggered within people. How can such seemingly varied experiences – from earthquakes, to intense thoughts, to outside monitoring and so on – (note: Now I"m half way down that page and so far no one has said anything about hearing a voice that is not their own say something like I do when I get them. But as for those other experiences on that page, I too have experienced them without a voice saying anything at the same time or immediately after I get them.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Oh... ok, this is Carissa Conte's website. Just found that out after I scrolled down that page. She's relating her own experiences about this phenomenon and quoting comments by her readers experiences of them too. As we can see, there are many various types of experiences people have with them, yet, there is a common thread running through all of them too at the same time. I'm just saying that most of the time when I get them, they occur as I described them in those 2 posts in Fore's thread. Also, I'm not the only one out there who also gets a voice saying something when we get them. Over the years, I have read similar accounts by others who also have the same kinds of experiences with them as I do.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>And once again, when I woke up on Aug. 14th due to being "gonged" with a loud high-pitched beep... simultaneously I head a voice say "San Francisco" where shortly after that, CA had a series of significant earthquake activity in the days that followed where they are still continuing... A new swarm of low level earthquakes have just begun in an area just north of San Francisco, btw.&nbsp;</div><div>They are low... in the 1's and low 2's but that's how the swarm in southern CA outside of San Diego started out too around Aug. 16th or so. So will keep monitoring that situation. Hopefully that new swarm will subside.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div>

A99
08-28-2012, 06:05 PM
My wifi connection is slow today. After I typed out my last post, it would not submit so I then copy/pasted that comment into notepad. But when I then pasted that comment into a new post, after I submitted it, those extra notations showed up in it and the links were messed up too. Tried to repair that a few times in my re-edit but post would not re-submit. Will just have to leave it as it is. Sorry...

Fore
08-28-2012, 11:14 PM
Note: I had to superficially (and intentionally) edit this blob of text below in order to quote the context properly.


The information below is further extrapolation on those "PINGS" I talked about (see below)(note to Fore: I'm not out for the Pulitzer Prize in writing Fore and this is afterall a public forum anyway comprised of non-writers who are simply sharing their own experiences and insights on topics discussed in this forum.)Fortunetly, a person does not have to be a writer to write coherently.

I don't know how you copied that text or from where, but the division tags cause the forums functionality to somewhat be impacted.


First off, I only referred to that sound as a "PING" because that's what others in that conversation were calling them. I can't recall if Montalk called them that but I know Fore did so instead of calling them a BEEP (actually a high pitched screechy kind of beep like I did before)I don't refer to the tinnitus as a beep, ping or as screeching sounds.

I describe it as a steady whine with a varied duration. The MP3 recreation posted by Montalk gives a good (if not perfect) idea of what the phenomena is like.

It ALMOST sounds like you might be misattributing the beep and screeching sound you refer to as another phenomena I encountered during nightime alien encounters while in my bed. If you refer to me as having heard a screeching sound or series of beeps then that is another event that is disconnected from a mere scanning event or tinnitus.

At least in my case, these are two different phenomena. I don't know about the others (Carrisa, Montalk) experiences. I treat the screeching metallic sounds / Beeps as a different phenomena to the tinnitus cause by influence field changes around the head.

http://montalk.net/eartone_high.mp3

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For anyone interesting in the context of "Pings" as used by thread participants. Please scroll through pages 56 through 61.

Fore
08-28-2012, 11:41 PM
So just to be exceedingly clear, we need to know what we each refer to when describing phenomena. There has to be a common base description with specifics vs generalities.

My Eartone [tinnitus sound effect] comes on usually as a result of a psychic scan from some other entitty.
It also comes about as a result of someone checking up on me after log period of inactivity.

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That Eartone is followed by the psychic sensation of someone merging their psychic field with mine.
Further resulting in various kinds of (sensory and cognitive) phenomena. Everything from the sensation of some other presence nearby, telepathy, clairaudience, etc. To physical sensations of psychic field anomalies throughout the inside and periphery of the head.

Sometimes there are static or weak electrical discharges, PK events, heightened ESP perception, sensations of leaking or emanations of something near the head and torso. etc

If you describe a PING (a bad term to use in my book) as a sudden awareness of some other presence trying to affect or influence you, then yes, I guess that is an okay term to use.

Using the word "Ping" to describe audioable sensory perceptions sounds foreign to me and is not within my previous experience.

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Another barely related phenomena is that of night time encounters with ET whom are present.

They may include moments of paralysis followed by tones, audioable mechanial metallic sounds and harmonics, painful symptoms and great discomfort. (etc)

A99
08-28-2012, 11:43 PM
I was just trying to use your lingo dear. Next time I'll do better. Sorry for the inconvenience I caused you and thanks for your further comments on all of this. :)

Fore
08-29-2012, 12:26 AM
I simply used his term for it. I just did a quick simulation of that sound that I get that I referred to as a ping in a sound editor and even though it is not exactly what I hear as it has a more screechy sound quality to it (but not always because sometimes they are more of a pure tone than screechy), the overall tone and the duration of that hard-edged tone in this recording is close enough for me to post it here as example of what it sounds like. http://www.filefactory.com/file/1o1b3nvpm357The link to your sample does not work.


One thing I completely forgot to mention in my posts in that thread about those "pings" is that I also simultaneous HEAR them in my left ear when they occur. So, at least in my case, I feel an almost electrical sensation in my head AND hear that sound in my left ear when I get them. And in addition to this, I also hear a female voice, that is my guardian say something to me too and this too occurs simultaneously when I get those 'beeps'. I explained all of that in my 2 posts in that thread. [/quote] Perhaps you feel electrical sensations when your psychic field reorders itself?


This morning, I was reading over some of Montalk's material on his website and found the following link to a site on those "Ear Tones". Here is that link: http://in2worlds.net/eartonesringings I like the way she writes. She does a good job relating the words she chose with clear and concise description of the effect (so that the word itself is irrelavant and doesn't miconstrue an effect that is experienced.)

The site looks familiar though.

Fore
08-29-2012, 12:47 AM
I was just trying to use your lingo dear. Next time I'll do better. Sorry for the inconvenience I caused you and thanks for your further comments on all of this. :)

"Pings" is ambigious and can mean a heck of alot of things to different people.

If I think funny thoughts, I imagine others might think it is like in a skype message. You know that ding that it makes when a message comes in.

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If you write more like Carrisa and Montalk you should be able to convey the sensations and feelings experienced. So much so, that your chosen word won't matter much and become uniquely refferential to just you.

You should have an idea of how to write your thoughts out in such a way that it conveys a common meaning despite the word you choose to call it.

Like for example, she uses the word "Ping" but then describes what a ping means to her. She uses the word "thwumpings" and "tunning fork" and goes into the nitty gritty of what that word is trying to describe as a sensation or side effect.

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If you just say "oh, I got pinged!" then without further descriptive content, the thought floats into my mind that you might have heard a toaster buzzer or a kitchen bell in your head.

That would convey and give the audience the wrong impression. It would make them think "Well, that doesn't happen to me, so I guess this person is crazy".

The same is true when you mentioned an electrical sensation that you felt. You didn't define it very much. Which gave me a (possibly) erroneous perception that you are having episodic seizures. Rather than perhas a more correct description of something more mundane like hearing a sound and feeling sensations of barely percievable static discharges and other odd things like skin level sensations like blobs of charged energy which makes your skin crawl or gives you goose bumps.

If you don't describe what the word is meant to describe in detail, to convey a meaning, then others may assume you are either crazy or they themselves may be crazy because their experience doesn't match yours.

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Carissa (sorry if I mispell your name as I barely get to see your screen name) in her article uses words that alone don't have any real definitive meaning. She uses descriptions of bodily sensations to give the people reading an accurate feel for what the words are meant to convey.

If you do the same, you'll be doing yourself a favor, A99.

I read her article to the end and I spotted quite a few common experiences both her and Montalk have had. I know of them because their descriptions conveyed the sensations behind the word.

If she didn't do that, then I wouldn't have known what she was refering to. In the absence of information, people use their imagination. Trust me when I say that peoples imagination can be rather unkind and unflattering.

People will normally assume you are nuts until they have a common base experience or prior knowledge.

What would Montalk or Carrisa think of me if I didn't describe what I experienced? Think about that....What would abductees think of one another stories if they didn't go through the same ordeals....

P.S. As I said before, beware of the unintended effects of the Black Sheep Syndrome.

Link: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=12867&viewfull=1#post12867

pontificator
08-29-2012, 01:14 AM
For the record tinnitus my end matches the following : Television static at about 3 to 4 times the frequency, and perceptible at all times; it's not very loud, more a background noise akin to a hornets nest 20 meters away [I've had it as long as I can remember, so it does not bother me, plus I can change it's volume and make some parts of the static more prominent if I try.]

Noticed last night that the ordered visual effect occurred again, still not sure on physical or non-corporial, but I'd tend to a physical [if you look into the dark with no light-source you tend to see a fuzz, it is this fuzz forming a highly ordered complex pattern that I'm referring to here {it only happens when a certain being comes around}.]

epo333
08-29-2012, 01:17 AM
Fore wrote:

"All I want to say on the record is that something is causing interference. Its probably electromagnetic noise (EMI = Electro Magnetic Interference). What is the source? I don't know. I speculate on a wide range of possibilities for what could be sustained for such a protracted period of time."

Also:
"Though, to be clear we are discussing the nature of the static in the future. As opposed to setting a date for an event in which I do not know _when exactly_ it should happen.

I just don't want some third party on the internet to start claiming that I said an asteroid is going to plaster the earth in 2013. (because the static is there) That may happen someday in the near future, but I don't know when.

All we are discussing is what the nature of the static "might be". >>> Speculation "

Ahh, Speculation, my favorite~

After browsing the last couple pages (cuz my ears were ringing [just an old saying in this case] lol). I might speculate that the many bumbling governments on this planet might be dilating or modulating temporal riffs (not the right word there) and causing over lapping time lines where the events causing psi interference feed back into one another.

I think maybe they have bumped into something and didn't or couldn't quite close the door behind themselves, as they were viewing, trying to manipulate, or causing the event. I'm talking of the interference duration being like a feedback of sorts.

If I remember, many remote viewers cannot see anything past a certain date around 2012. So perhaps the element of time (vector) has something to do with the prolonged aspect. (humm that sounded like an oxy~moron!)

Anyhow it was nice to see Wilhelm Reich brought out. I reproduced one of his inventions with amazing results. So He was most certainly in the know!

Not sure about the possibility of neutrinos. I'll think about that!

epo3

A99
08-29-2012, 04:40 AM
http://www.freefilehosting.net/kjgk

I uploaded that audio file of the beep I created this morning to another file hosting site. See above link. It's very short.. in fact, the sound that I get is a little longer than what's on that recording.
BTW, yes, Carrisa's a great writer too. That page on "Ear Tones" was very coherent and informative -- and I'm looking forward to reading over the rest of her site too!

A99
08-29-2012, 05:31 AM
Thanks Fore for your additional comments (700,701). I'm going to think this one through and do a re-write on all of that. I admit that you've brought up a few good points that I should be focusing on whenever I try to describe that phenomenon. There's definitely room for improvement in this area. No question about that! Thanks! :)

A99
08-29-2012, 12:35 PM
If I remember, many remote viewers cannot see anything past a certain date around 2012.
@epo, great post! Also, will check out the info in your above quote. V. interesting -- and a little unsettling too! :(

Garuda
08-30-2012, 02:54 PM
Slightly off-topic but related to this thread:

Two other threads were started where input from you all would be welcomed!

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?t=841

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?t=843

Fore
08-30-2012, 05:29 PM
Fore wrote:

"All I want to say on the record is that something is causing interference. Its probably electromagnetic noise (EMI = Electro Magnetic Interference). What is the source? I don't know. I speculate on a wide range of possibilities for what could be sustained for such a protracted period of time."[...]




After browsing the last couple pages (cuz my ears were ringing [just an old saying in this case] lol). I might speculate that the many bumbling governments on this planet might be dilating or modulating temporal riffs (not the right word there) and causing over lapping time lines where the events causing psi interference feed back into one another.

I think maybe they have bumped into something and didn't or couldn't quite close the door behind themselves, as they were viewing, trying to manipulate, or causing the event. I'm talking of the interference duration being like a feedback of sorts.


If I remember, many remote viewers cannot see anything past a certain date around 2012. So perhaps the element of time (vector) has something to do with the prolonged aspect. (humm that sounded like an oxy~moron!)

Anyhow it was nice to see Wilhelm Reich brought out. I reproduced one of his inventions with amazing results. So He was most certainly in the know!

Not sure about the possibility of neutrinos. I'll think about that!

epo3I recall you mentioned that previously.

There is one theory that I have always kept in my back pocket since I noticed that static in the influence.

A question arises, if there is a massive shorting of the human population at some point in the future. (Lets say in a period of less than 10 years)

How does that affect all that inter-connectivity between human nodes?

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What I mean is this: "The fact" that people build and accumulate "lines of association" with one another by "knowing of each other" is one form of a very flexible psychic network forming between closely associated individuals.

Like a group people with invisible connections to each other. They can move apart from each other (across a city or another nation) and they still maintain that connection. Lets call this an "unconscious/subconscious psychic connection" between mutually familiar people.

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Then there is another network by formed by a different phenomena, not one of "bonds by association"...but one of "bonds by mutual proximity". (The Noosphere)

The idea (as taught by the ET by the way) is that each individual leaks [in varying degrees of intensity] enough influence into their immediate habitations. These invisible puddles/mists of "influence" [psychic energy] produced by each individual eventually merges with other ambient puddles and a network forms.

Like an primordial PsychicNet, these blobs of leaking psychic energy from the bodies of living individuals form uneven "cloudy distributions" that are unpolarized to a great extent.

Meaning that two very different emanation types collecting together DO NOT easily pass information through to each other. Emanations of the same type DO pass information between each other.

If you imagine it like a "patch quilt" Psychic Network, then the "unevenness" of distributed influence only allows similar nodes [people] with similar [influence] configurations to pass along information if they both have similarly compatible influence nearby to act as a carrier. *dangerous oversimplification on my part*

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This is a "natural" Psychic Network. No one person makes it intentionally. People just collectively (in a society) make it unconsciously from the leaking psychic energies that leave their body into the environment around them.

Between work and home you might pass through 1000+ emnantions from other individuals.

When the individuals are in the right time and place and covered in a transmissive medium like this collection of influence, they can transmit information or receive it. Though since they spoke of human kind as a primitive soceity they only meant it at a sub-conscious level.

For example, if you are in a campus and there is a shooting on the other side of the campus. If you are standing in the right place at the right time. IF you are in a compatible "influence zone" when these invisible influence types then you might experience sub-conscious apprehension of fear ("vibes") from someone with a similar configuration on the campus.

This isn't telepathy, but a form that is [more or less] a pre-cursor to telepathy.

Someone standing right next to you though, might have a different configuration that doesn't give them that transmissive awareness. So they are more likely to walk into the danger area.

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The ET of course don't use these kinds of primitive versions of a psychic network. They have Active Structures, Conscious and Super-Conscious cognitive Feedback, ESP and all that.

They can form and break bonds far from each other and pass everything from sensory awareness to verbalized mental thought-forms to raw sensory-level psychic input. (Artificial Network)

Human beings (the majority) don't have active structures, don't have conscious or even super conscious feedback, almost no ESP etc. They are a different breed of life. (Natural Network)

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To be continued....

Fore
09-01-2012, 09:28 AM
Note: This post was made on August 30th 2012. I delayed it until I could look it over and complete it.

@ All

Been having some issues with a (Spiritual) Phantom. Since the begining of the month when I heard the ear ringing. Seems the phantom is trying to leave markers on me as well as scare us (the family).

I have been praying to God everytime it intrudes and tries to take up residence. It has been repelled several times.

A few interesting and noteworthy insights in the last month:

A) The nearly invisible spectrum of influence that Higher Order Entities have is not so invisible. Its not a case of background masking techniques or anything. It seems that the spectrum I can easily pick up is the spectrum that negative entities generally possess. (as well as nomal spirituals)

So it seems they (Higher Orders, God) use a spectrum of influence that my abilities aren't adjusted to detect it.

So it appears I have (and that is perfectly normal in psychics) a wide swath of spectrum that my abilities don't sense any activity in, despite there being activity present. This is expected but I can finally confirm this is positively true.

B) I have learned why members like ScaRz and Etherian [God rest his soul] are/were not "perturbed" by the influence of Demonic presences as much as me.

I have an attitude wherein I assign more fear and power to the [Negative] Phantoms, Ghosts and Demons than they deserve.

My attitude has always been one of worry and fear of some sort of reprisal. I sense that God has stepped into the circle in my family and has helped each of us come to terms with the malevolent intrusions being a former fact of life.

Throughout our history, they have prohibited a normal life and have exerted control over the quality of our life. As a result, every bad experience has taught us (the family and I) that we somehow won't escape them. That somehow they should be feared through their control.

In other words, it is like walking through life worried about interference, and through that worry assuming that (as has been the experience) we will always be under their thumb.

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God has taught me, that as I turn to Him, I have nothing to fear from these spiritual entities. They are under His controlling thumb (proverbially speaking). That I don't have to go through life preparing for the worst outcomes if I accept God into my life and He in turn takes care of the spiritual problem.

I have been so worried that as someone in my family realized, we give the negative spirituals more power than they deserve. Even if they can harm us, they are subject to someone even higher than them.

Several nights ago, this was proven to be the case, I sensed someone coming near while I laid down to sleep for the night. The presence approached from my back, and even with my abilities almost turned off completely I could sense it. It tried to touch me to leave a marker but I began to pray and it left within a few minutes.

The next night I was in the front room of the house where this computer is located, I saw one of my family members startled and they asked me to come with them. They said they heard (through their ears) something invisible growl or hiss at them followed by a sudden sensation of intense coldness.

I walked with them to the kitchen and noticed the spot where the entity discharged its influence in the environment. The air was still cold in a column of air about the width of a human body and the height of more than 7ft+.

I asked them questions as I inspected the area with what limited ESP I have left and noticed it was still nearby. We prayed, and it left for about an hour, then came back.

We had not stood up to it as much we should have.

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Two nights ago, the entity came again and was leaving behind traces of it's influence in the environment. I clearly noted it was a phantom because of it's underlying signatures. A male Entity.

It scared one of my family members again. We prayed and again it was temporarily repelled. Though I was trying not to be fearful.

I was washing plates in the kitchen when no one was with me and it again tried to touch me. Then it did it's little trick of creating a cold spot just around my body. It was trying to use intimidation tactics and all that.

I got frustrated and told it in the name of the Lord to move away from me. It seemed to be resisting. I reported the event to the other family member and then sat down at the computer. Frustrated to think that somehow this bugger had penetrated the protection we had.

[B]After a few minutes I told the other family member to get up and come with me. That we always make the same mistake of backing down and letting "them" set up residence and we don't provide enough interference to their activites as we should. I told them that if God has defninitve power over them, then we have nothing to fear in confronting them.

So we did just that, we walked right towards where it was and began praying. It seemed to flee but kept coming back. So we prayed longer and prayed in almost all of the rooms of the house. Even though it kept coming in at the other far end of the house as soon as we were at the other end of the house. We kept at it. After some minutes of praying the invisible force that seems to emanate from the Angels and the "Holy Ghost" seemed to form around us.

I noticed that if we went where it was at the far end after having prayed, it seemed to be "pushed out" as if an enveloping protection had surrounded us. That was more mysterious than anything else.

I wondered if the people like ScaRz and Etherian had this sort of ongoing protection and that is why they didn't seem to fear the malevolent spirituals. I have to say it felt very good to call out to God to protect us. The next day the presence did not return again and we had more peace of mind than previous times.

It is a very nice feeling to depend on someone like God whom can crack a proverbial whip and get these presences at a distance.

With Him at the ready, it seems that actual fear is a thing of the past.

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I just wanted to share that since this is how I handle the spirituals these days. I don't talk to them or communicate even if approached. The same is true of the ET, I avoid contact. That is the advice the Higher Order beings [Angels] gave and that is what/why I have followed through with it.

I also don't use my abilities, except very sparingly. I expect that even these residual behaviors of wanting to depend on my abilities at all will fade with time.

Side Note: As the Higher Order beings are always reminding me, I am to thank God for the blessings and good fortune, not them. They have told me several times that I should not think they produce any of it as they are simply doing what God tells/orders them to do. That He is "the source" of all their "doings" and efforts. They told me if I give thanks I should give it to Him because He is the cause [driving force] of it.

Fore
09-01-2012, 11:59 AM
I have decided [hesitantly] to turn over information on lessons I received on ESP. I have reduced them to a type-able version.

I have deep seated hesitations not because of ET. But because I know it is information that the average person should not have. So I am going back and forth between what level of detail I want to present. The vague version is sanitized and comfortable with me.

But the non-sanitized and detailed version makes me shudder at what others will do with it when I fill in the blanks. I can't help but think how much is too much.

I am torn between presenting the sanitized version that is passably informative and the non-sanitized version which gives so many details that unless someone is mentally challenged...they should be able to make use of it immediately.

I don't want to walk away with a goal half done, but I don't want to be responsible for the consequences either.

The likelihood for abuse is there. That bothers me alot.

I am trying to find a middle ground on what feels right because neither extreme sounds just right to me.

Edit: I am not even all that sure that Pontif could understand the raw version. I think if I stop thinking about it and just leap before looking I could get over with it.

Neuru
09-01-2012, 12:09 PM
Well, you could still send him the raw version and post a sanitized one for public consumption.

(^ I cannot guarantee that this is enlightened advice.:confused: Would this be a goal half done?)

pontificator
09-01-2012, 01:28 PM
Edit: I am not even all that sure that Pontif could understand the raw version. I think if I stop thinking about it and just leap before looking I could get over with it.

Try me. PM a link, and it shouldn't take too long for me to work out if it's a bit too over my head.

pontificator
09-01-2012, 01:42 PM
Well, you could still send him the raw version and post a sanitized one for public consumption.

(^ I cannot guarantee that this is enlightened advice.:confused: Would this be a goal half done?)

Well, think of it this way, if it looks seriously dangerous, and frankly silly to release in a Teletubbies howto format, I'll place "unknown" in the right places. If something is seriously difficult to understand, then I'll spend a few days thinking of better wording and putting it down as an * explanation point.

@Fore, However, it is more than likely the raw version would go over the heads of most, and therein lies its safety mechanism. Only those who can understand, or were allowed to understand, will understand. Publish it as a Google doc via Google drive as well, makes it simpler to get a copy.

A99
09-01-2012, 07:42 PM
You're not the only one Fore who was 'attacked' on the night of the 30th... so was I... and was up for the rest of the night. It came in with an extremely loud noise combo's including a very loud combo of deep and low tones in left ear and a low vibrating humming sound too at the back of my neck .... that just would not let up but I went to bed anyway only to be attacked with all kinds of paranormal activity going on in the room including vivid images in my minds eye when I would close my eye's. V. scary. So I climbed out of bed, logged on here to see who was here... Pont. was on here at the time. The thought occurred to me that maybe he had been sending out signals during an experiment. But my guess is that that was not the case (especially now) though because what I was experiencing was just too full of commotion including a strong sense of negativity. This is why I stayed up for the rest of the night. I didn't bother mentioning what I experienced that night because so what? Lol, who care's? But because you were attacked too... just thought I'd mention it. I can't remember the last time I experienced such commotion like I did on the night of the 30th. At times it seemed demonic... but most definitely of the low level human discarnate kind.... One of the things that flashed in my mind's eye was one of those old fashioned necklaces with an ornate gold or silver pendant showing a small photograph of someone. The scene had a sepia tint to it like an old time photograph. V. spooky. All an all... spooky is the best adjective to describe what I was experiencing. It was NOT a friendly visit... let's just say that.

A99
09-01-2012, 08:57 PM
One of the more interesting phenomena that happened on the night of the 30th was a bright light that flashed into the room a couple of times. Not that I've never experienced anything like that before but that was just one of a few other types of phenomena seen that night.

Fore
09-02-2012, 01:29 AM
One of the more interesting phenomena that happened on the night of the 30th was a bright light that flashed into the room a couple of times. Not that I've never experienced anything like that before but that was just one of a few other types of phenomena seen that night.Sounds like you have a paranormal neighborhood living in your apartment.

Have you ever considered asking your helpers "from the beyond" to clean out the place? I would be interested in seeing what the results are when you do ask for that.

A99
09-02-2012, 01:31 AM
Most definitely, the best way to banish uninvited 'visitors' is with anger. When I have uninvited visitors pop in, I get very, very angry because they are intruding on my space. And when they are doing things in hopes of scaring me, I get even more angry... sometimes I even yell and scream at them. So the trick is to keep fear at bay and allow yourself to feel that your privacy and your rights as a sentient being on this planet has been violated by their unwanted presence into your space. And believe me, the more often they show up, the more angry I get so that they soon stop showing up... believe it or not it works! Trying to shoo them away with love and cheer just does not make it. But the other thing I do is pray to God and ask for protection. I do this directly and I also ask my guardian and spirit contacts to help keep them out of my home too.
This is not to say though that anytime I have any disruptive visitations like what happened a couple of nights ago that I don't end up staying up for the rest of the night but that's only because by the time I'm done banishing them, I'm too revved up to feel like turning in for the night again. This is not always the case but on the 30th of this month, that's what happened.

A99
09-02-2012, 01:37 AM
Sounds like you have a paranormal neighborhood living in your apartment.

Have you ever considered asking your helpers "from the beyond" to clean out the place? I would be interested in seeing what the results are when you do ask for that.

Lol.... yes, I guess that's a good way of putting it but they are my friends and family so no problem there at all. But as for disruptive uninvited visitors... that's another matter entirely. That one that showed up a couple of nights ago was trying to scare me and 'it' even managed to do that to a certain extent. Besides that, so much was going on, there was no way I could possibly ignore it... as it was practically right in my face!

I just posted a comment before this one about the things that I do to have some kind of control on my end in such situations. I wrote it before I saw your message ... we were typing at the same time. :)

Fore
09-02-2012, 08:37 AM
Most definitely, the best way to banish uninvited 'visitors' is with anger. When I have uninvited visitors pop in, I get very, very angry because they are intruding on my space. And when they are doing things in hopes of scaring me, I get even more angry... sometimes I even yell and scream at them. ....?

Well, I don't. I just pray these days.

I don't think a Demon or a phantom would give a damn if I got angry. I know I have gotten angry at the situations they put us through and yes I have hurled a few curses on a blue moon....But they just laugh and enjoy that sort of reaction.

I do know that getting angry does scare some ghosts away. But I doubt it is gonna work on in any meaningful way.


So the trick is to keep fear at bay and allow yourself to feel that your privacy and your rights as a sentient being on this planet has been violated by their unwanted presence into your space. And believe me, the more often they show up, the more angry I get so that they soon stop showing up... believe it or not it works! I have to say I am very skeptical on this being the case.


Trying to shoo them away with love and cheer just does not make it. But the other thing I do is pray to God and ask for protection. I do this directly and I also ask my guardian and spirit contacts to help keep them out of my home too. That does seem to work.


This is not to say though that anytime I have any disruptive visitations like what happened a couple of nights ago that I don't end up staying up for the rest of the night[...] I admit, if it is a bad and prominent presence then I don't either.


[...] but that's only because by the time I'm done banishing them, I'm too revved up to feel like turning in for the night again. This is not always the case but on the 30th of this month, that's what happened. When I don't lay down to sleep on such circumstances, it is usually because "laying prone and unconscious" doesn't sound like a good idea to me considering "the circumstances".

I noticed some are affected by emotions (or rather the influence pattern that is emitted) but I don't think that is a useful (or practical) deterrent. Otherwise they will turn you into an emotional basket case as Montalk once joked.

WildMage
09-03-2012, 10:27 AM
I just started reading this thread... post # 2 caught my attention :D, for those who are curious here are the all the pics i drew up from my conversation with fore as he explained the interconnect. (in no particular order) Part 1

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/linkup.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/COMPONENTS_1.jpg

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WildMage
09-03-2012, 10:27 AM
Part 2

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Interconnect_Phased_FIN.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Interconnect_Phased_Mod.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Interconnect_Phased.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Interconnect.jpg

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WildMage
09-03-2012, 10:28 AM
Part 3

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/InteractivePlacements.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/InteractivePlacement.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Placements.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Placement.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/Interaction.jpg

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WildMage
09-03-2012, 10:30 AM
Part 4

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/HighlevelInteraction.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/cognition_alt.jpg

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http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk40/wildmage_images/cognition.jpg

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kk back to reading the thread ...

tl2
09-03-2012, 09:03 PM
Wow! Great diagrams. My head hurts now.

Fore
09-03-2012, 09:24 PM
@ All I suggest this youtube channel for a brief news update everyday.

The reason for the psychic static?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2YEgSKSadI


@ WildMage

I was thinking of you a few days ago and about the graphs you made. It is a nice coincidence that you showed up on time. ;)

WildMage
09-03-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow! Great diagrams. My head hurts now.

lol, if you could only imagine the pain, frustration, and distraction of putting those together. Ultimately worth it in the long run though ;)

--- side note for fore: There were actual moments in there when thoughts and mood swings were going to extremes, interesting to say the least. A key element used was a competitive mindset, i.e. an aspect where the feeling of being looked down upon in condescending manner was being instilled. Something along the lines of Fore is just using you, laughing at you, and thinks he is so much better than you... these were thoughts that had to be worked thru, ignored, with a reassertion of self to get the diagrams completed. <<-- figured you would find this last bit a little interesting, though you may have already known about it.

A99
09-03-2012, 10:56 PM
@Wildmage, those are impressive diagrams indeed! I'm glad you posted them here again!
@Fore, will look over that You Tube vid. Looks interesting!

WildMage
09-03-2012, 11:10 PM
if anyone needs the url of the site the video is based on :

http://www.globalincidentmap.com/

Fore
09-04-2012, 03:13 AM
lol, if you could only imagine the pain, frustration, and distraction of putting those together. Ultimately worth it in the long run though ;) I was imagining just that while looking at them (the graphs) on page 1.

I was thinking about doing different charts on gliffy.com (I think that is the right name for the site).

Anything that good has to be earned/met with major frustration.


--- side note for fore: There were actual moments in there when thoughts and mood swings were going to extremes, interesting to say the least. A key element used was a competitive mindset, i.e. an aspect where the feeling of being looked down upon in condescending manner was being instilled. Something along the lines of Fore is just using you, laughing at you, and thinks he is so much better than you... these were thoughts that had to be worked thru, ignored, with a reassertion of self to get the diagrams completed. <<-- figured you would find this last bit a little interesting, though you may have already known about it.So your saying there was some TI/TM? Sounds like a mind game.

Take away the feeling of dignity and you probably take away the individuals initiative to expended an effort towards a given goal? [No idea, just speculating on this]

Turning people against each other when there isn't a significant enmity between them is one way to play a mind game with community members. Worse still, if the people don't realize it is happening until the very end I suppose.

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I'll admit I have seen worse than what you described. I have seen friends and people I knew [in person] driven to an irrational state through activities of the ET. When you ask them "whats wrong?", they seem more bothered that they don't know than anything else.

I have long gleaned that they feel some kind of artificial stimulation in their bodies from scanning them, but there is [sometimes] nothing in terms of mental content backing it. I have seen paranormal as well as ET do somewhat similar things to people whom don't have anything directly to do with my group.

In the case of the paranormals, they didn't like anyone attempting to help my family in any way. Either through forming relationships or somehow having a beneficial value. Like access to other people, resources, opportunities etc. If they did provide any help of any kind they would go home to find some oppressing presence whom would take it out on them and their personal lives. Be it, financial, emotional stability, friendships not related to me, etc.

The ET on the other hand were more about trying to control the situation in a different sense. They wanted to seemingly keep the status quo. They seemed to want things confined and simple or predictable. Anything that disrupted the status quo in any meaningful way was poignantly taken care of.

The ET I knew wouldn't care for example if I talked to hundreds of people in school or friendly situation, but if I attempted to show off in any way they would clamp down by assigning someone to keep a close(er) eye on me. If I went (or tried to) go to any parties they would look over the situation to see if there was any potential for me behaving any differently because of that.

If I talked to someone about what I was going through they didn't like it and they would try to control the situation. Even up to the point of intervening directly to kill the situation. Some (okay alot) of people got freaked out and left and never came back. It wasn't anything I did since I knew how to do things properly. But when they went home and came back the next day it was as if they had something happen to them that they didn't want to talk about it.

So relationships chilled into just formal occasions of talking to one another but nothing really beyond that.

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With the paranormals and the ET it was almost always a 1,2, knockout situation.

People aren't stupid, I know that much. Even if they don't know anything about my background, they experience the backlash from one of two sides, (if not both). They assume you are bad luck and it doesn't take them much to see a correlation between visiting and then experiencing the backlash.

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I can only imagine what the Admins and Mods are probably getting peppered with in the background. I imagine with each new topic the issues keep plowing on for the ET to do something about it.

I'd like it if they [the staff] told me nothing is going on at all. That would reassure me that I should keep saying alot more and keep turning up the heat into a blow torch under the ET. To help the ET get coaxed out from behind the curtain so that people can see what happens when someone whom "isn't supposed to be real", suddenly loses their cool.

The great thing about the ET, is that when they want to pin something on me, they usually only have the thoughts of others to play around with. When it gets serious they will likely stop with the mind games and step in to do more than just pull strings on some individuals or collective mind set.

As long as I can point out the obvious, then that is all the more "evidence" on my side for some ET.

The ET I knew rarely change their tactics, they are pretty predictable people. If all is the same, then right now they should be inserting and nursing the doubt and conflict in the folks watching to be used later on. The only way these ET "lose their cool" is when someone stands up to them and "won't do" as they push them to do.

Fore
09-04-2012, 03:19 AM
@ All
Want to tick them off? (hehe)

Lets all find references on youtube to phasing technology and then make a youtube collage and post it online.

pontificator
09-04-2012, 04:06 AM
@Fore, went to a business meeting with some colleagues, noted something interesting about an apparent perception issue I've had for a while [well, I've always been subconsciously nervous.] At that very moment we were passing over a bridge, and off to my right and a bit further down I suddenly detected something hit my field.

Now, from what I detected something [best described as an independent nebulous mass, It was like it interacted from somewhere else] appeared for a very brief moment, sent out an influence packet of some kind, and almost a hit on the structures around my head. As it was I felt the spark effect as it hit an exterior field before showering in bits on the head structures.

Anyway, it's left me a bit elevated, and I can feel that those exterior pieces and still active, plus there is definitely an intelligence looking in. I'll keep investigating it while trying to get whatever it is off, this is in addition to the standard call to a higher power [although it's probably harmless or something else.] [Ahhh, now that is interesting, it seems to have gone quieter, but it is still there.]

WildMage
09-04-2012, 11:14 AM
So your saying there was some TI/TM? Sounds like a mind game.

Take away the feeling of dignity and you probably take away the individuals initiative to expended an effort towards a given goal? [No idea, just speculating on this]

Turning people against each other when there isn't a significant enmity between them is one way to play a mind game with community members. Worse still, if the people don't realize it is happening until the very end I suppose.

Yes TI/TM was definitely involved. I would say it was more of an attempt to turn me against you or instil a sense of contempt. Let's just say many different angles were used, and few outright control mechanism employed. They're good, lol but I can be tenacious when I want to be :p

When you say irrational, it is probably what clued me in that things weren't kosher, because the behavior I was demonstrating was irrational to say the least.

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Here is a tactic your little friends use and quite effectively too, one that I have personally experienced on various occasions ;)

member thought process (or some variation along these lines):

background vibes is enhanced to an excited state, (combative, competitive, along with an ego booster)

Note: these are very fast and complex emotional patterns being used to drive these thoughts:
--- (the thoughts are not transmitted as speech but derived from a set of sensations and emotions)

1. Fore has said something which resonates, but it seems a little off.
2. hey wait this is something I know about.
3. why is fore twisting my experience into his own?
4. why is fore attacking my experience?
5. need to regain control of the situation
6. ask fore questions and/or make statements to :
--- a. figure out why fore stated what he did
--- b. figure out if there was a misinterpretation
--- c. figure out why this discrepancy between experiences exists.

Here is the kicker:

1. why is fore ignoring me
2. what the heck have i done to fore
3. why am I suddenly an outcast, just because I asked questions...
4. oh he thinks he knows so much more then everyone else and o so special...

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I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this setup and manipulation. Figured I would shed light on it.
--- if anything it gives other members an added tool to recognize potential manipulation when it occurs to them as they read thru your material.

step 1. take a deep breath and count to ten (calm down)
step 2. regain control of your own mental faculties (detach yourself from the situation)
step 3. clear your mind, observe, and reread the post, mark off the areas that cause concern. (smile)
step 4. control the situation and your response to it.

what usually happens at this point is either apathy, thoughts getting paralyzed (writer's block), or direct control (heavy guns) where irrational anger sets in. Getting across this barrier in a rational manner is where you get the win needed against this type of manipulation.

hope this helps explain some of the odd behavior we see or member reactions at times to the material contained in Fore's material.

Simply knowing and recognizing the markers is half the battle.

epo333
09-04-2012, 12:43 PM
WildMage, Looks like you've spilled the beans.lol
Better put your helmet on.

I like the "Lets all find references on you-tube to phasing technology and then make a you-tube collage and post it online." idea.

Note my mouse button acting up. (never did that before!)


http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIRc2kVQ7nMA8Cz7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3 VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=extraterrestr ial+phasing+technology&vid=E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumb nail.aspx%3Fq%3D4711682903965816%26id%3Ddb64c13c33 68a7889d09ee4f7c45d998%26bid%3Dox1ypd26p0r%252f6Q% 26bn%3DLargeThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.y outube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dbYwRq99192g&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbY wRq99192g&tit=Excellent%3A+2%2AUFO%26%2339%3Bs+Phase+shiftin g.&c=5&sigr=11a9mq6h9&fr=yfp-t-701-s

WildMage
09-04-2012, 06:19 PM
WildMage, Looks like you've spilled the beans.lol
Better put your helmet on.

I like the "Lets all find references on you-tube to phasing technology and then make a you-tube collage and post it online." idea.

Note my mouse button acting up. (never did that before!)


http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIRc2kVQ7nMA8Cz7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3 VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=extraterrestr ial+phasing+technology&vid=E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumb nail.aspx%3Fq%3D4711682903965816%26id%3Ddb64c13c33 68a7889d09ee4f7c45d998%26bid%3Dox1ypd26p0r%252f6Q% 26bn%3DLargeThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.y outube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dbYwRq99192g&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbY wRq99192g&tit=Excellent%3A+2%2AUFO%26%2339%3Bs+Phase+shiftin g.&c=5&sigr=11a9mq6h9&fr=yfp-t-701-s

dunno if it was all that much to spill, just figured if others went thru a similar set of sequence, it would at least let them know it is not uncommon.

Now if you have a used one of them Helmets for sale I will buy one :p -- cool vid btw:)

Fore
09-04-2012, 09:04 PM
WildMage, Looks like you've spilled the beans.lol
Better put your helmet on.

I like the "Lets all find references on you-tube to phasing technology and then make a you-tube collage and post it online." idea.

Note my mouse button acting up. (never did that before!)


http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIRc2kVQ7nMA8Cz7w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTBrc3 VyamVwBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQD?p=extraterrestr ial+phasing+technology&vid=E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3E9FF4AA7BADDA5721DA3&l=&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumb nail.aspx%3Fq%3D4711682903965816%26id%3Ddb64c13c33 68a7889d09ee4f7c45d998%26bid%3Dox1ypd26p0r%252f6Q% 26bn%3DLargeThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.y outube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253dbYwRq99192g&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbY wRq99192g&tit=Excellent%3A+2%2AUFO%26%2339%3Bs+Phase+shiftin g.&c=5&sigr=11a9mq6h9&fr=yfp-t-701-s

Wow, that is a great example. I wonder why they were just sitting there doing that?

WildMage
09-05-2012, 06:50 AM
Relativistic Phase Displacement Space Drive - Warping Space Time with Phased Standing Waves


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgAwyr5Udzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgAwyr5Udzw

A99
09-05-2012, 10:13 AM
Fore, that entity that you "Guardian".... in your estimation, is she what you call a "common" spirit?

What about Advisor? How is it that you take everything she says about everything as the truth when she's only a "common" ET or whatever.... ?

Fore
09-05-2012, 12:05 PM
Fore, that entity that you "Guardian".... in your estimation, is she what you call a "common" spirit? I have my doubts every now and then. Consider it a pending investigation.


What about Advisor? Everything I've witnessed over the years (countless hours) indicates she is made of meat and bones just like the Grey members.


How is it that you take everything she says about everything as the truth when she's only a "common" ET or whatever.... ?I don't. Years before I met you I was vetting her story [and still am] and accounts from her perspective.

How do I know though when she is telling a truth vs a lie? Well, I depend on people like you. Experiencers and Abductees and Contactees. I also depend on "seeing it is believing it".

Most of the topics I introduce to you have long been verified as being identified as being true. Some of it I do not know if it is true. But people like you find stories and evidence from around the world and you tell me about it.

Witnesses whom don't understand what is happening to them, or what they see, describe the things she mentioned....only.....from the witnesses perspective. (instead of the ET)

I match up the version the Advisor (and the Grey males) taught me with the versions the witnesses see. I also know that if their lessons are true, they make predictions as to what else should be true, given a logical extension.

Then, people like you [and others] talk about your experiences....experiences that you don't often understand. Full of elements that you "see or witness" but can't make sense of.

I simply sit here, watching the story and look for the signs and specifics of the procedures they [the Advisor/Grey Males] described in detail; in cases like yours. You mention details you don't understand but which I was trained on and introduced to.

I then probe you and others on the details, usually without you knowing what I am looking for. You provide the evidence and details and I cross check to see if it confirms the ET side of the story.

If it does, I pretend to feign ignorance and ask questions. If I am sure that you did have an experience I then extrapolate what you haven't said (yet) based on the data/information the ET gave me years before we met. (Which usually freaks people out)

When filling in the logical gaps, you the experiencer, then unwittingly confirm the procedures or specifics are as they described. From the experiencers vantage point they assume that I know alot. When the truth is I am just verifying the accuracy the ETs lessons and versions of accounts.(sometimes repeatedly....with unhealthy derision and skepticism towards the ET notions)

Unfortunately/fortunately, for me, you (the experiencers) tend to confirm all the procedures as I heard dictated and was notified some 15+ to 20 years ago.

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Like a puzzle of Jenga in reverse, I run an analysis in my head, and determine the likelihood that some other related topics are also valid and true.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1278/574915804_b0634da654.jpg

Then I go through the trouble of writing about "related topics" that should by extension also logically be true if these various other information types check out.

So, it is not a system of "inherent trust". She does have the best credibility in all the past checks I did. She does seem to tell the highest proportions of truth for every lie. But she does lie. (albeit very little though if you go by her batting averages)

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I used to play "A Game" with the Advisor when I was small. I used to try to spot the BS when she would say something. Though the problem is, the information she told me was largely a grand number of truths that you experiencers have seen and witnessed (so have I unfortunately).

She always won those games, but I enjoyed it just as much myself. The big thing she and the male Greys forbid me to do was to "reach out" or "read up" on you guys/gals. Up until the age of ~14~ I only knew of you guys/gals through the stories told by the Advisor.

At the age of roughly ~17 - 21~ I got to talk to you guys directly. Though under close supervision by either the Grey Males or (mostly) the Advisor. They forbade me to say anything about what they taught me or informed me about when doing so.

But I never did as I was told. I eventually did talk, and I heard your stories and was a bit taken aback that other had encountered them as I had. That some of their stories (while not directly experienced) were all too real in your lives and experience.

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I went on a psychic spree showing off my abilities with the Advisor right next to me keeping an eye on the conversation and making sure the Males didn't object too hard on every situation I got myself into. People were surprised I could do so much. I expected them to reciprocate. They didn't. They didn't seem to have any of the knowledge, the sophistication. They seemed to be different. Their contact was momentary and brief for the most part.

They questioned if I was a hoaxer, so I did psychically what I do to the ET all the time. The experiencers didn't take it all too well. Lots of fear, paranoia all around. Some people called me of the devil, others said I was gifted, others swore up and down I was an ET and were afraid of me. (bleh, idiots)

When I got to know the UFO community more and more, I got to see that what I thought the ET were only joking about, was in fact real. Disturbingly real.

I saw people describing the technologies but they seemed completely either uninterested in how it all worked or they were completely mystified even the most basic aspects of all of it. I wondered where are the others like me whom were introduced to the topics, procedures and closely guarded information?

There didn't seem to be any in the wild.

The only thing the Advisor would tell me is that they are "kept" just like I am. Allegedly away from the community.

The more I saw and witnessed the more disappointed I became. It was everything like the Advisor described. <deeeeeeeep sigh>

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I realized that what I thought was an exaggeration was all too real as the Advisor described it.

People were abused, used, then thrown away. People were lied to profusely and they were all too willing to believe the obvious (to me) lies. People reiterated tiny slivers of real ET knowledge mixed in with loads and loads of BS.

The first three years was surreal. This is the community I thought they were joking about as a small child. I wanted to find others like me. I was hoping I would find more answers beyond what the Advisor was willing to give me.

Instead it was like being taken to a play pen where they kept the ignorant in all forms and manner. From that point on I started to realize their stories were more real than fiction. I also kept questioning the motives for all of it. Why did they abuse people this way?

I understood the official answers, but it seemed stupid and dumb to treat people like this. People tried to ask me every kind of question from what they were led to believe all the way to what the truth is. (Something which I do not know myself)

The only answers I could provide them were the ones the ET over me looked down on. I told them about the procedures and techniques and methods. I read their minds and openly told them about themselves like it was nothing at all.

The only thing I got was massive flac. They didn't want to know. They wanted the propaganda to be real. They wanted to believe the lie. What people did was take up sides and assume that I had some kind of answers vs those whom were dead sure I was a liar of epic proportions hell bent on destroying their beliefs. <shakes head at that still<

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Years later, here I am. Still doing the same.

Still getting accused of the same. Still releasing information for those that want it. Still stirring the hornets nest in my own way.

How much of the Advisors info (and to a lessor extent) the Greys is real??

I would say....too much.

It would be better if it were a lie outright. That would be nice. Yet here on this forum and on many others are the living evidence of their claims. It's hard to bury my head in the sand with you guys/gals standing around. (a joke of mine, sort of)

tl2
09-05-2012, 09:15 PM
Great reply fore. This is one of the best threads on the web on this topic. Do you frequent any other forums or suggest other threads of this quality?

Fore
09-06-2012, 11:02 AM
Great reply fore. This is one of the best threads on the web on this topic. Do you frequent any other forums or suggest other threads of this quality?The honest answer is I don't frequent other forums very much.

The feel of the various communities is not as agreeable as this one.

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For future reference:
(in case you encounter another like me)

When an individual like me wants to know about other communities, usually I end up asking the ET for an overview (in the past). They then present a mental scatter plot of different community characteristics full of different values so that I had an inherent idea of what I was supposed to expect ahead of time.

Upon going there, the mental plots give you like a cheat sheet on community dynamics and you have a cliff notes version of what to expect. As each individual engages you, you size them up according to the mental plots for a specific community....and therefore you have a strong indicative road map of which section of belief or properties a person hails from.

You are then "supposed to" scan [psychically] that individual beyond the text or presentation format you see on the screen. So you listen in passively until you have a good idea of what is going on in their head.

Then you move on to answering or behaving specifically in coordination with that knowledge and/or whatever the ET tell you to do. (I don't recommend the latter scenario)

When you answer someones questions, assuming you are fully active, you already have a very strong idea of what the conversation is going to be like before it even starts. Mainly through the use of Pre-Cog and Mind Reading talents.

When writing something out, you already have a pretty good idea of what the other person wants to know and what they believe. So if you keep it low key, you answer their questions with that in mind. If you over extend yourself, you might answer their questions before they conventionally "ask" them.

So if someone like me wanted to, with full "psychic activation", you can pretty much answer 90% of the questions in one straight shot. Though usually the ET tell/remind me that normal people like conventional drawn out exchanges. (Because normal people are almost always clueless as to where things are going to go in a conversation or what the conversation will be about.) Whereas they [the ET] tend to get straight to the point without the whole back and forth if they are doing an exchange with non-native conventions between themselves and I.

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Anyway, I recommend Montalk.net

If you want to feel a bit more sane after reading something I also suggest in2worlds.com (??)

Most experiencers don't seem to relate their experiences to each other very efficiently or very clearly. (IMO) If they could, they would probably figure out within a month that most of the stuff that surrounds their collective core experiences [between them] is usually just window dressing. Sometimes a fabrication more often than not.

I don't really follow any other forums with any consistency. You can suggest some great threads or start a "Suggest a thread" topic on the forum. I assume that would be fine with the Admins but you might want to check with them first.

I am pretty sure the community would have tons of recommendations. I would be happy to scan that list members provide and pluck out a few that I think are noteworthy or worth reading through. (I am lazy!)

pontificator
09-06-2012, 11:40 AM
@Fore, Don't forget your ESP material, there is not a huge amount of time until the disruptive season... On another note, I'm definitely noticing the intermediary structures, but I suspect its more due to there being a lot more activity down my way than usual. From what I'm observing some hotspots are changing location a bit, a few odd events are occurring which resulted in me taking another bus than usual which has put me through another hotspot at a non-typical time as well [during the daytime hotspots are normally subdued, this one is currently full-force even in light]. In all cases they seem to have adjusted to be smaller in area, but more intense in effect. There also seems to be a bit more in the way of "oddities" wandering from area to area [this is in general, a lot of movement is going on by the looks of it.] Also, when I get activated I am getting pushed up to just before the field starts fluxing rapidly [just above that the really interesting stuff happens, but it looks like it needs a wandering ET to activate it when they are checking something.]

Fore
09-09-2012, 07:19 AM
Relativistic Phase Displacement Space Drive - Warping Space Time with Phased Standing Waves


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgAwyr5Udzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgAwyr5UdzwInteresting design. The two versions I know of described by the ET work on very different implemented principles though.

They are nothing like wormholes or spacetime distortions as conceived of to the best of my knowledge. The Advisor used to comment that it was something we would probably grow out of with more knowledge in the public science circles.

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She described many non-public science projects starting in the early 20's that she claimed were tinkered with by humanity while trying to supposedly integrate foreign concepts from the ET. She actually described pre-historical ancestries of humanity that resulted from some of those ~modern day~ projects run by human groups in secret.

The non-public sciences done in secret were about testing different ideas implemented in ET physics concepts. She claimed many things and if re-iterated through carefully it makes [somewhat] sense as to why they (human groups) did risky things.

Though I never say that portion of the story because there is not enough evidence to back up her claims. The little evidence I can find is very spotty at best.

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To put it short, there are [supposedly] people on Earth whom aren't human (as in the homo sapiens species) but are "native" to the Earth. They are off-shoot species of supposedly human descent.

The way she described these remaining offshoot [specie(s)] population centers today: they were a messed up attempts at developing ET like technologies long before the predicted disasters took place in the near future. (Did I mention the story is really convoluted?)

She [about a half dozen times] described a series of very bizarre experiments conducted in secret to put ET concepts into practice that led to a later series of projects.

She described some bizarre projects (no names) that the ET spied on in secret that led to separate populations in separate time frames on Earth. She described the ideas, the concepts and the failures that resulted from it. Including how a native populations supposedly came about through descendants and how their avoidance of current day populations are what remains of the original planners intentions.

I keep it to myself, because even I don't believe that whopper of a story.

Though, recently I typed it up, I lost it in the computer crash. I have had to replace three drives consecutively. I have decided my appearance of credibility is better off not mentioning those other points of her story. (ear ringing)

I first heard of the stories when I must have been like 6 or 7. As I grew up she would sometimes mention the same story with more or different details.

Fore
09-09-2012, 11:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemwW60VxDY

By the way, this is the data they (the ET) instruct you on under the guise of "Things you should know".

All that the man has been saying I was told about (and much more) by the Advisor (an ET) far before 2001. (somewhere around 14)

The Advisor and the males warned me about how intelligence gather data (and it was a fascinating level of insight they had). They also told me what I should and should not type or make references to when sharing information. The Grey Males were especially good at teaching me what I should and shouldn't do and how to do it when explaining something.

Of course I never did take all the instructions and the advice to heart.

What amazes me more than anything is the level of insight they have into everything that should be a secret. They have so much knowledge on everything that it seems like an open secret among them. The would get nervous when I would violate group policy on what not to say they kept a close eye on anything I did.

One day they said I had drawn some "human groups" interests because they claimed I mentioned secret information in my writings to others. They said someone was dispatched to check into it to see if there was any legitimate contact scenario and to determine where the data was coming from (thats what they more or less told me).

From then on, they started acting strangely and pulled away for a few months and instructed me on what to do to make sure I did pass the sniff tests. When it was all over they told me not to do it again.

It wasn't until I came unto the forum that they (and the people whom took over after my original group) mentioned much the same criteria for me getting into trouble.

The odd thing is they traded me for the silence on specific times when they would show up. The ET strangers collectively stated they had "a tough time" with some "human groups" keeping an eye on me and determining what/where they originated from.

One of the taller ET stranger said that they had gone to some lengths to avoid tracking to their destination after they left my immediate area. They were perturbed because they said I announced times and dates which helped in unconventional collection techniques used by "Human Groups".

They brought the Advisor around 2 years ago and she negotiated with me directly to keep certain information from becoming visible in return for experiences. That I could outline what I wanted in return for a strict adherence to their demands.

The Advisor said (a long time ago) that some of the ET I talk to have registered alien activity on Earth with "Human Groups". She claimed that sometimes there was an effort to ascertain where some of the unregistered activity was coming from. Everything from descriptions of their activities to what they look like or names were looked over to determine which (non-English term) ~Cell/Group/Contracted Unit~ was operating outside of their constraints.

She told me in the old days that it was one reason why I shouldn't try to identify them. She said that was part of the reason why they avoided names, places, and project ID's in order to avoid narrowing down whom they were.

She told me at the time that even if I didn't consider anything she is saying to be real, to just follow through with her wishes to avoid specifics. She also used to be pushy and tell me that despite me thinking alot of it wasn't real information, I should avoid talking about it in public or with others.


Strange things:
She also stated that if they ever came in person I should never mention it anywhere. That it was a non-event in her words.
She also stated that if I said too much I would be put into "a list" somewhere.
She (and other ET) also stated that Remote Viewers within the Human Groups have a time displacement limit of about 7 years. ("Effective" resolving ability (??) ) She taught if I wanted to mention something about an encounter and what happened I should wait a number of years after the fact before mentioning it.
She (and other ET) mentioned that I should never post a time and space definitive position for where they are. The went into explanations on remote viewing and targeting limitations/implementation in "Human Groups".

She (and other ET) went into topics of how much spying there is and how some of it is done.

I recall one of the ET told me a strange story that they said was a concern many years ago among Human Groups. They told me a story of the breaches that occurred when ET with a humanoid disposition would walk into sensitive areas with fabricated IDs and pose as legitimate members.

The ET member said (the Advisor confirmed the story) that humanoid ET would walk into security with an established set of credentials and spy on different areas. The issue the ET remarked a long time ago, was important enough that they went deeply into vetting persons origins to make sure they didn't just show up one day.

They said the methods and tactics had changed but that the people on Earth wanted to distinguish human from alien on more than an ID and appearances alone.

Another mentioned how they could view any area (like an eye in the sky) without having to use devices present in a time and place. The ET went in depth on how they could rearrange materials in the environment at such imperceptible arrays that could pick up "Phased transients" in the area.

(Phased Transients = His mangled English term for "a coherent event" at a distance/temporal. The term is full of complicated meanings.)

The guy introduced me to the concept of a observational device without optics and without a microphone.

The idea was something like an ingenious implementation of Quantum Entanglement ("Spooky action at a distance") as a transmissive medium. By placing an array of ordered molecules into a room they could mimic the same functionality as a modern camera. It is like ET spy gear at imperceptible scales.

The idea is very complicated (bet I would win a Nobel prize if I could share it with some physicists on the concept alone).

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It is like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6263551.stm <--Single Pixel Camera

Combined with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

I can't (yet) find anything quite like the technology the ET described in the Human realm of science. But it basically made mention that you can make an array of these two things to make a camera without the body or the lenses. In fact, the ET said they couldn't be seen or perceived.

When he said "Phased transients" in English it was followed by a ton of Subtext in the form of coherent scientific ideas. The Phased part refers to their ideas of physics rather than ours. Anything happening in one probability is considered a "Phased" event. (nothing to do with phasing technology) The term "Transients" refers to "actual events/scenery". Hence "Phased Transients".

Many words don't exist in English to describe these concepts. So they string together rough equivalents when talking about something complicated.

They use a (somewhat) similar method for

epo333
09-10-2012, 01:29 AM
Another mentioned how they could view any area (like an eye in the sky) without having to use devices present in a time and place. The ET went in depth on how they could rearrange materials in the environment at such imperceptible arrays that could pick up "Phased transients" in the area.

(Phased Transients = His mangled English term for "a coherent event" at a distance/temporal. The term is full of complicated meanings.)

The guy introduced me to the concept of a observational device without optics and without a microphone.

The idea was something like an ingenious implementation of Quantum Entanglement ("Spooky action at a distance") as a transmissive medium. By placing an array of ordered molecules into a room they could mimic the same functionality as a modern camera. It is like ET spy gear at imperceptible scales.

The idea is very complicated (bet I would win a Nobel prize if I could share it with some physicists on the concept alone).



Wow, this sounds alot like a "Project Looking Glass" mentioned by several insiders over the past few years.
That device could see glimpses of the past or future.("a coherent event" at a distance/temporal)

I'm sure your ET contacts had the deluxe version, and uses them to run damage control on humans quite often. I'll bet your still tip toeing through your post even nowa days.

Question: Any chance that by lowering your abilities, you might "dim down" (fall or off ) their radar?

Thanks for the great post.

norenrad
09-10-2012, 02:34 AM
Fore falling off their radar?

Not a chance.

epo333
09-10-2012, 02:56 AM
Yea, I figured that too, just wishful thinking I guess. Sounded good at the time.:p

norenrad
09-10-2012, 03:20 AM
They have invested way too much time on him. I can only fear the worst for him at this point, but I will give him any help I can, if need be.

Fore
09-10-2012, 03:42 AM
Wow, this sounds alot like a "Project Looking Glass" mentioned by several insiders over the past few years.
That device could see glimpses of the past or future.("a coherent event" at a distance/temporal) Is there anywhere where I can see an exact break down of what Project Looking Glass is/looks like?

I know of the project since you mentioned it alot, but I don't have the specifics of where it comes from or whom shared the info. The movie Paycheck ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338337/ ) is a very clunky rendition of what the "time viewing devices" should look like functionality wise. (Though the ET version is incredibly simple looking as described by the Advisor).

The principles described in the movie though are pretty much bunk though. The way the main actor uses them though is not so far fetched.


I'm sure your ET contacts had the deluxe version, and uses them to run damage control on humans quite often. I'll bet your still tip toeing through your post even nowa days. Yes, I still do weigh what I want to say vs what is a good idea to say.

I want to share more, but the problem is I can't vet the other parts through witnesses or experiencers as easily as the other bits. So there is a risk that I will come off sounding like an idiot.

I keep weighing if I should or shouldn't. They are part of her sayings so I should. But I don't want to be painted as an Idiot for saying them if they turn out to be untrue.

You have to take into account that I have a bunch of lessons on how they did things. One of those lessons is actually true. It being that they tell you 10 truths, then 1 big lie midway or almost at the end.

The contact cases seem to often follow this disturbing trend where the people have real experiences but then the ET start to lie and then fabricate things that the contacted will ultimately relay.....which destroys their credibility in time.

So It is like an Indiana Jones movie where the next step might be booby trapped. You have to be very careful stepping forward with wild claims without proof. If you aren't careful, there will be a trap sprung and everyone will assume the worst.

The ET have a reason to lie, I don't. But most people reading this page tend to associate the source as being equal to me. So if they [the ET] say a lie, I might as well be the liar in that subset of twisted logic.

The problem is, what do I do with topics that are so [supposedly] secret that I can't find anyone whom even knows about it to confirm it is even real?

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The ET "support center" is a perfect example of this dilemma. Though I know a few people have photographed a cube like object trailing the Earth. They don't have much more than a very fuzzy picture. That is not proof enough to say beyond a doubt that it exists. So if I don't have good evidence of it, should I make the claim even if she talked about it?

Doing so puts me in a very risky position. I know tons more, but most of it is so fringe that there is no likelihood that others will know about it.

Therefore leaping before looking is a very risky chance. It might be that people do know of it and they can point out sources....in that case, it is a boon. If not, I look like I am crazy for having heard it from an ET.

Tough choices....


Question: Any chance that by lowering your abilities, you might "dim down" (fall or off ) their radar?

Thanks for the great post.Not likely, I'll explain why in a little bit.

Edit: for the last 5 days I have had two ear ringing events per day. That is very abnormal. Though I don't think I am doing anything particularly strange or "out there". So I don't know what is causing it. My ears are squeaky clean; that much I know..

WildMage
09-10-2012, 07:30 AM
Visitors from Time
1:58:14 - 6 years ago
Marc Davenport looks at the evidence for some of our UFO visitors being travelers in time. He also explores the Consciousness related issues and how they underpin the basic understanding of how Extra-terrestrials are interacting with us.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3904313067506577356

He has a lot of interesting ideas regarding how some of this may work. Have you ever heard or listened to what Marc Davenport has spoken of? If so how far off base would you say his hypothesis is?

One of the more interesting statements made in the video is that an action today can propagate into the past and change it.

Fore
09-10-2012, 09:05 AM
Visitors from Time
1:58:14 - 6 years ago
Marc Davenport looks at the evidence for some of our UFO visitors being travelers in time. He also explores the Consciousness related issues and how they underpin the basic understanding of how Extra-terrestrials are interacting with us.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3904313067506577356

He has a lot of interesting ideas regarding how some of this may work. Have you ever heard or listened to what Marc Davenport has spoken of? If so how far off base would you say his hypothesis is? I haven't heard of him but his name sounds familiar even though looking at his face doesn't ring a bell at all.

The name "feels" familiar but I definitely don't know of him. I just started watching the video with great interest to see what he says on the topic.

I have to state that the woman at the intro seems to have struck a nerve with me. I also don't accept time travel as a part of my reality. Despite everything they have taught me and all...I just find it hard to believe even if it sounds technically plausible and do-able.

I'd need to see it to actually believe there is something to it. I can believe their pre-cog and all those fancy psychic abilities of theirs and mine because it was often employed around the clock between us. So it doesn't seem strange at all to me.

But the idea that the Advisor or the males are from some other time, however plausible sounding...and whatever supporting technology they describe that seems doable...just seems far fetched to me.

It bothered me deeply when other ET mention it and it is the first time we had even met. I need to see it to believe it.

Everything they did or have done can be easily explained by conventional psychic means. I had similar abilities to them so I know first hand the capabilities behind all of it.