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WildMage
09-10-2012, 09:20 AM
It is interesting you say that because he clearly makes a case to the effect that there is no time, or at least not in the same sense as we would understand it.

As an example he points out that a car appearing to have shut down in the field effect of a UFO has not really shut down but has merely enter a different field where electricity persay is flowing at a much slower rate. Which in turn explains why it simply starts back up on it's own after the affecting field is removed. My own assumption and interpretation would be that space-time in essence is morphed and being experienced at a much slower rate.

Fore
09-10-2012, 10:50 AM
@ 5:30

He is surprisingly spot on. Besides the whole black whole thing, he is pretty close. I am curious as to where/whom he got his ideas from?

He's hinting closely at Phasing technology with New Ager terms and concepts. ("Vibrational" differences in his lingo)

He also vaguely hinted at concepts of probability travel as well as time and space displacement.

He also covers some basic concepts in terms of spacetime and the actual role of consciousness as a rendering paradigm.

@ 7 min

He talks about ufologist and some of them being subjected to different contact experiences. I think he might not be so far off. The Advisor knew of some of these folks by name.

Though, I never heard of them or knew what they were about until later. I used to have a list in my mind as to different names she mentioned or that I one day woke up with in my head. So I think it is safe to say the ET know who the players are in the community.

And at the very least, they know of them by their first and last names. (even if they don't know them personally)

@ 9:20
He mentions "interesting" coincidences. Is it that they (the ET) already know who will do what later on? Or is it a case that they are the people whom put things into motion?

You decide....<shrug?>

@ 15min

He mentions several things. Among them he mentioned how fast they can move in an atmosphere. Interesting individual overall.

@ 16:30

He seems to have very good range of questions. Though he seems to lack the knowledge behind all of it. I wonder what he is like today.

@ 18min

He is a sharp guy. I noticed the same, the community is very dysfunctional and sometimes the researchers in the community act in very illogical ways.

@ 23:30

The weird guy in the blue shirt mentions how "channelers" write up books en mass from these entities directions. Little does he know the true intent behind most of them.

@ 24:20

LOL, I loved the artist who made the cover of that book in his hand. Might as well do a drawing that says in BOLD Letters..."brainwash me". (It's got the ET beaming some kind of light ray into the other persons mind)

The blue shirt guy recommends that book eh? Funny image...worthy of a smirk or two on the cover alone. I often wonder what the black ops community must think of the material these foreign entities think up and propagate among us in the community. (Fore tackles his cynicism back into a dark cold dungeon somewhere...)

pontificator
09-10-2012, 01:30 PM
@Fore, I'm curious as to why the psychic structural tendrils have a habit of suddenly withdrawing like a sea anemone's tentacles, but only with certain thoughts that bring something to take a quick look. I am unsure as to whether it is a protective measure because of the presence of another field, or that the other field causes them to withdraw automatically.

All hotspots are currently staying in their new positions around the city, including their increased density due to their more restricted area. A side effect of the bridge encounter led to me suffering from cold sweats for a while, but that has now passed, general targeting of objects in current vicinity is currently a bit hit and miss because of the sudden structural changes [will probably settle down within the month, but it seems to be a bit of intermediate interference, which I think may be extra information that is not quite mapping yet.]

Fore
09-10-2012, 07:49 PM
@ 40 min hes got the right idea.

@ 43:20 I don't agree with his idea (in general) of the waves.

@ 43:30 hes correct that there is sometimes a "Doppler" effect. Though the Advisor said they usually correct for it within the Phasing field itself.

@ 45min He doesn't understand various concepts in how the ET hide from Radar or mitigate the issue of Radar. Despite that he doesn't know several things, he is doing pretty good though in his conjectures.

@ 45:45

It is obvious he doesn't know of the concept of phasing technology. Some tweaking is required. Again, I wonder where he is today on his concepts.

@ 46min

I have speculated on why this happens or what exactly they do. I even recall asking the Advisor point blank about it. Why does it affect inanimate objects but not people?

She would sheepishly avoid answering the question. She only described a field they can emit that interrupts the flow of electrons in a circuit. But why wouldn't this also affect a human body?

I have had a theory that maybe they alter the 50/60 Hertz of an electrical circuit. I have looked into it but I cannot find any definitive answer if this would stop electronics but leave organics unaffected.

Fore
09-10-2012, 07:56 PM
@ 47:30

Again, the man is very bright considering what he doesn't know. He made the same assumption way back then as to what it might be. Though the Advisor specifically described it as a "separate phenomena". Meaning you can be in a phasing field or near a UFO and the electricity will still work.

It is only when they add this special field that electronics stop working. She made sure I understood that the phenomena is additive to other events as opposed to inclusive.

Meaning they can operate near electronics with the craft right behind them. The phasing field and the craft itself does not cause electronics to fail according to her. It is something they induce "additionally" to make it happen.

@ 48min

I am not surprised that his findings conclude that it is not a straight forward electromagnetic effect. That adds credibility to her statements from years ago.

@ 50:30

He describes that effect the Advisor mentioned some more advanced ETs employ. Bigger on the inside than the outside.

@ 52:20

Yeah, I have noticed that as well first hand. When I was small (5 or 6) the Advisor used to like to tease my curiousity by telling the males to re-orientate the "place/craft" where they were above our heads.

When they would move it across the sky above my house as a small child things would go dead silent as if a big mute button was pressed.

It would be like that for months on end. When they weren't there, me and my family noted that the chirping outside would start up again in a fierce cacophony of chirping.

I noticed it as a child, adolescent and as an adult.

The Advisor would always tease me as a child by asking me what I thought it might be before she would tell me. I still miss that part about her.

Fore
09-10-2012, 08:41 PM
@ 57 -> 58min

No clue what he is talking about. I don't know about any energy entering our universe. I have heard the New Agers talk about it and so does the propaganda mill run by the ET. But I know nothing about any such concepts.

@ 58:50

I TOTALLY agree with the interviewer.

@ 1 hour

He wrong about that. He hasn't made the correct connection yet.
The experiment shows that the observer is constantly slipping and sliding between probabilities.
That spacetime is more of a "froth". When consciously viewed, the probability lock-in sets in...and the conscious viewer only sees one particular version of events. (Like Schrodinger cat)

The dumbed down implication is that the Big Bang or what was the center of it all is actually more like probabilities tied together into one.

"When" the break down "occurs" the probabilities simply play back from the point of view of "a consciousness" knee deep in that froth probability of a universe.

In other words, everything has already happened, is still happening, and will happen. Only from a conscious observer viewpoint wrapped in material from that universe, do things seem to be proceeding in an orderly fashion.

The concious mind of the observer only sees their particular probability lock-in (or as one ET called it "Phased Transients") happening all around them.

When ET build stuff like the Time Viewing devices, ~ Project Looking Glass ~ if you will, etc, they are simply looking at adjacent segments of spacetime.

Here or there, past or present, they have a good enough understanding of science and technology to see things in various ways.

When they use the Translation Gates, (a natural phenomena) they simply drop out of the universe in one place/time/probability, then pop in at another place/time/probability. Though it is more complicated than I make it sound.

Fore
09-10-2012, 08:58 PM
@ 1:01:30

He makes an error, and the ET exploit the lack of critical thinking on the part of people and experiencers to make up *wild* fabrications.

Though you are experiencing only one tiny subset of the grand set of probabilities through your consciousness. There are other parts (upper parts) that are experiencing a multitude of different versions.

Your interconnect itself is pre-set to filter out any extraneous information that doesn't particularly involve the current probability trajectory. At least that is the idea in practice that the ET espouse.

When a psychic wants to look (via ESP) at other versions of the environment, he/she has to reprogram the interconnect to allow a wider set of observations to leak through to his/her normal consciousness.

Only then can then peer into variations of the same probability nearby. Only then can they see events displaced in time.

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When they do that, they begin to skip around between probabilities ever so slightly as their choices are now tainted with information they "shouldn't have".

They become like the ET, they begin to shape the outcome of events with prior fore-knowledge.

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The crippled idea of that the guy makes in the video is a misinterpretation that the ET bank on to fool the clueless.

There, in your probability lock-in, everyone else sees much the same because they are also in the same probability experiencing it with you. It is false to say that the other person is seeing something different...as the entire thing syncs together.

This is where a propaganda is born via the ET to "the clueless" where in they make up the idea that humanity should move to a different probability. The ET withhold the knowledge required to do so. ;)

They like their game field nice and steady (predictable). If you have too many hands in the cookie jar changing things at random, the playing field becomes unstable and viewing short term probabilities becomes very hard from the perspective of "a consciousness in one particular lock in" as things shift constantly from one probability to the next.

It makes good propaganda among the clueless though!

Fore
09-10-2012, 09:47 PM
@ 1:06:00

Standard protocol in more ways than one.
1) Higher mind storage of information.
2) Downloads/Uploads etc.
3) Templates, ID forming, mind control implementations,

(urges without a reason, "knowing" without knowing, "missions" without the express knowledge or a specified (or solicited) directive, etc)

@ 1:07:00

Peter Crawford I think is his name, very insightful. I am starting to understand why people consider the idea of solidified forms being some kind of thought form.

@ 1:13:00

Peter Crawford mentions that the ET can manipulate perceptions and hints at interrupting/rewriting those signals we get our worldly feed back through.

@ 1:20:00

Nice interview.

@ 1:27:00

Ah, the infamous "Human Groups" rears it's head. I don't know much about them other than what the ET have told me. It's interesting to hear others talk about how they were treated.

@ 1:28:30

Yeah, I have heard the same as the lady in the interview. The remote viewers I get usually have some kind of ET assistance.

@ 1:29:20

I think she is right when she says it is a game of catchup. I share her view that the Human Groups are trying to imitate the ET groups in their techniques and methods.

The CIA would be peeing in their pants if they could replicate some of the hardware and techniques the ET use on Earth on Humanity itself.

epo333
09-11-2012, 02:29 AM
Is there anywhere where I can see an exact break down of what Project Looking Glass is/looks like?

Here is the well known bits and pieces.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/project_lookingglass.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/time_travel/esp_ciencia_timetravel42.htm

The info out there is spread out and not organized to get a real grasp of the whole.

Over the next few days I'll try to find the more subtle details back hashing some past travels.

WildMage
09-11-2012, 06:42 AM
Thank you Fore, interesting comments


When ET build stuff like the Time Viewing devices, ~ Project Looking Glass ~ if you will, etc, they are simply looking at adjacent segments of spacetime.

is it possible to steer an individual onto an adjacent segments of space-time or is there some type of safety catch which would stop such an occurrence?

Does a freewill choice exist or is it being manipulated to such a degree where it can no longer be seen as freewill? The dangers of seeing the future is that action or freewill persay becomes a moot point for those lacking such an ability. Your description of its use by various entities, is indicative of a weaponized version being actively used against the human race. I know this may sound harsh, but did ET/UT have a viable explanation which may contradict such a conclusion? How does ET view free will if such a thing exists, are they bound to preserve such a concept, or are they free to negate it as they see fit?

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On another note I found this to be a fairly decent explanation of dimensions and phased space. How does this differ from what you were thought?

Imagining the Tenth Dimension - 2012 Version

Modern theories tell us that there are ten spatial, or "space-like" dimensions to our reality. My name is Rob Bryanton. With this project, I have developed a creative way to use a variation of what's known as the "point-line-plane postulate" to visualize those ten dimensions, a concept that most would have thought impossible for the human mind to comprehend. How can we do this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q
url to video above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q

The text for what is explained in the video is here:
http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.ca/2012/07/imagining-tenth-dimension-2012-version.html

of particular interest:

4th dimension
So rather than saying the fourth dimension is "time", let's use the word "duration". If you were to imagine your body's duration as a shape in the fourth dimension, you could think of it as a long undulating snake, with your embryonic self at one end and your deceased self at the other. But because our reality is observed one quantum frame after another from the third dimension, we are like our second dimensional Flatlanders.

Just like that Flatlander who could only see cross-sections of objects from the dimension above, we as three-dimensional creatures can only see cross-sections of our fourth-dimensional self. And just as you and I require the fourth dimension to change from state to state, think about how for a 2D flatlander, "time" would be one of the two possible directions in the third spatial dimension.

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6th dimension

We would need to "fold" our 5D probability space through the sixth dimension. I like to call the sixth dimension our universe‘s "phase space“. Why? A phase space is defined as "a space in which all possible states of a system are represented, with each possible state of the system corresponding to one unique point in the phase space." So those points representing the versions of our universe where Michael Jackson is still alive are inaccessible to us from our current position within the fifth dimension, but they still exist within our sixth-dimensional phase space.

Fore
09-12-2012, 02:00 AM
Thank you Fore, interesting comments


is it possible to steer an individual onto an adjacent segments of space-time Do you mean an alternate probability?

(Lets coin a new term: Probability Shaping)
"Probability Shaping" is using future fore-knowledge to decide what you should do in the present.

(Another term: Probability Curve/Trajectory/Lock In)
A term to describe the *apparent* continuity of events along one probability axis. Rather than refer to distances or time, it refers to which version.

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If you mean to ask: "Is it possible to steer an individual onto an adjacent "Probability Curve/Trajectory"?

The answer is, Yes.

Montalk has some experience in doing that by following the cues he felt during his time operating as a moderator on his forum.


or is there some type of safety catch which would stop such an occurrence? Besides the Higher Order Beings overseeing the events down on the ground, no, not really.

You can abuse the situation quite a bit as the ET have already done. So unless a Higher Order Entity steps in, you can abuse the system quite alot.


Does a freewill choice exist or is it being manipulated to such a degree where it can no longer be seen as freewill? The dangers of seeing the future is that action or freewill persay becomes a moot point for those lacking such an ability. Correct, to a certain point.

Hypothetically, consider this concept, everytime I gather information on you (via mind reading) I become aware of information that I should otherwise not know. I am in many ways violating the 3D paradigm every time I do.

The 3D paradigm (if you want to call it that) is one where people aren't supposed to really know (with extreme accuracy) what the other person is thinking in their most private area.

So when I do "look", I break the "natural way" things are supposed to proceed. I become like a 4D observer or transient entity creating abnormally aligned events. I am not supposed to know what is happening in your head at any time in my life.

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I can use that information to either enhance or degrade "your events" [Yellow Flag Event] as I intend.

PRO: I can either read your mind and organize them as an intentional observer so that you figure things out quickly.

CON: I can look them over, consider they don't suite me or my purposes (like an ET would), and write cues and information which further throws your supposedly secret thoughts and mindset (and therefore the events that follow) way out of whack.

This is a sort of "4D" kind of paradigm that I am acting out on you (a 3D paradigm subject). To your detriment or your benefit. It depends on what the intention is.

As you can imagine, either way, I damage the way that events should have gone if I weren't here.

The other so called "4D" entities like the ET are going to see their versions of predicted events begin to shift around ever so slightly. They see it as "a noise" when the "Probability Curve" we are *all* going down starts to shift back and forth.

So they collectively decide what they are going to do, to make sure the shifts are as small as possible. So that individuals, assets, situations etc....are all where they are supposed to be and "in the condition" they are predicted to be in.

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By just reading your mind, I create subtle changes in the Probability Curve I am going down. The Trajectory changes enough to be noticeable.

Also by mind reading you, and changing your reactions/actions, I "degrade" the quality of your freewill.

If I were an ET, I would want to marginalize that free will enough so that your choices are predictable and certain. I'd set up people <cough>researchers/politicians/strategic assets<cough> in the community of Earth to make sure the variations are controlled.

By confining your choices or your perception of choices, even by engaging you, an ET can put you where you ought to be. Not where you naturally would be.

(The Higher Order Entities therefore sometimes intervene to even out things.)

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Such as a Remote Viewing program...lets say in 1983 July 31st (making it up) that couldn't target a specific piece of information that would have lead to significant changes further down the line.

I personally believe that even the ET are subject to the Higher Order Entities in some way. They (the ET) can't change things as drastically as they otherwise could.

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With Pre-cog the abnormality increases even further.

Fore
09-12-2012, 02:28 AM
Your description of its use by various entities, is indicative of a weaponized version being actively used against the human race. I know this may sound harsh, but did ET/UT have a viable explanation which may contradict such a conclusion? Well, that is pretty much it.

Imagine if there was another "like me" who was loyal to the ET. What would they do differently than I have done? (probably alot I imagine)

If given the opportunity, backed by ET resources, (etc) they would probably exert more control than the Admins themselves on their own board.

Sounds far fetched I would imagine. But it remains a real possibility.

So far they have only ever sent flunkies so there is nothing to negate some of the exposure. So nothing to worry about. (ear ringing...lol)

If they ever send someone who has been properly trained and is internally malevolent or at the very least "believes in the cause" of the ET agenda(s), you would probably notice them right away.


How does ET view free will if such a thing exists, are they bound to preserve such a concept, or are they free to negate it as they see fit? Depends on who you ask and where they come from.

As far as I know, the Advisor did not have as much freewill as you might imagine.

From what she described of where she comes from among her own people, the whole ability of people to peer into each other thoughts (plus thousands of other abilities) became a reason to limit the variety of thoughts and restructure freedoms. (it is complicated and it goes further than one paragraph could cover.)

All you really should know is that the "peace and light" ideas spread by some Nordic variants are more likely due to their restrictive society rather than actual freedom. (IMO)

If you breed a culture where you have to constantly be careful of what your exterior thoughts are, you'll probably have to focus on a limited paradigm of interactions and self expressions. Anything out of your mouth (or err mind) would be nothing but soapy words and expressions.

Actually the couple of contactee stories I have read seem to point that the humaniod types tend to reject any form of negativity. Does that actually mean they don't experience negative thoughts...I leave that to the reader to decide.

If you ever notice a nordic variant hesitate when you ask them a blunt question about how they live life, and if you notice they feel they are measuring their words carefully with a measure of doubt in their mind....that says quite a bit to me.

Just because a member of a society talks nicely, does not mean it is as free as you think it is.

Beyond that, you probably have more freedoms today than she has had. (Her story of her origins are something to be heard in person to fully understand all the subtext and implications).

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Note: If you had the chance to live with an ET without any form of supervision, I bet you would see another side to them start to bleed through.

Not necessarily bad or negative, but something more liberal sounding eeking out of them.

norenrad
09-12-2012, 03:05 AM
All you really should know is that the "peace and light" ideas spread by some Nordic variants are more likely due to their restrictive society rather than actual freedom. (IMO)

If you breed a culture where you have to constantly be careful of what your exterior thoughts are, you'll probably have to focus on a limited paradigm of interactions and self expressions. Anything out of your mouth (or err mind) would be nothing but soapy words and expressions.

This should sound familiar to everyone here and it should serve as a warning.

kleemkrishnaya
09-12-2012, 07:54 AM
This should sound familiar to everyone here and it should serve as a warning.

May I intrude here with a question: do you consider the "ET" to be of a different evolutionary line than humans? There is a school of esoteric thought which suggests we can change our evolutionary "lineage" at a certain stage of development, choosing the "devic" or "Being of Light" over human devlopment. Apparently this devic line comprises a very high degree of positive spirituality, but does narrow personal free will/choice, as once one has chosen the positive lineage, there is no possible deviation from it.

In some ways this appeals to me - never having to face a moral dilemma again, & not being ABLE to cause harm. Yet it could lead to a certain mechanical rather than spontaneous expression; from what I understand many ETs present an approach that is "circumscribed". . . . .?

Hope this is not too off-topic? (hard to think while writing this, hope I make myself clear)

WildMage
09-12-2012, 08:21 AM
Do you mean an alternate probability?

(Lets coin a new term: Probability Shaping)
"Probability Shaping" is using future fore-knowledge to decide what you should do in the present.

(Another term: Probability Curve/Trajectory/Lock In)
A term to describe the *apparent* continuity of events along one probability axis. Rather than refer to distances or time, it refers to which version.

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If you mean to ask: "Is it possible to steer an individual onto an adjacent "Probability Curve/Trajectory"?

The answer is, Yes.

Montalk has some experience in doing that by following the cues he felt during his time operating as a moderator on his forum.

Besides the Higher Order Beings overseeing the events down on the ground, no, not really.

You can abuse the situation quite a bit as the ET have already done. So unless a Higher Order Entity steps in, you can abuse the system quite a lot.


Yes basically a separate version of the future. Probability Shaping is a good way to put it. Although it feels more like obstacles (billiards / bumper cars) used to change the spin and trajectory.

Is it possible to use small moves for big effects, or are those calculated out of the probability choices. Which leads to what if the answer is none of the above and someone makes a choice outside of the what is offered?



Correct, to a certain point.

Hypothetically, consider this concept, every time I gather information on you (via mind reading) I become aware of information that I should otherwise not know. I am in many ways violating the 3D paradigm every time I do.

The 3D paradigm (if you want to call it that) is one where people aren't supposed to really know (with extreme accuracy) what the other person is thinking in their most private area.

So when I do "look", I break the "natural way" things are supposed to proceed. I become like a 4D observer or transient entity creating abnormally aligned events. I am not supposed to know what is happening in your head at any time in my life.

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In my personal opinion Telepathy, is a lot less dangerous than precognition. While at first it may be unsettling, not only for the person being read/observed but also for the person doing the reading/observing. A balance of sorts can be achieved in the interaction without a violation of freewill.

While a person may have an advantage over another person by knowing what they are thinking, a break in free will is much harder to achieve. Although you may initially disagree, the previous statement excludes precognition and thought manipulation/insemination.

it leaves the recipient with a current thought regarding a particular situation. While useful in avoiding potential pitfalls, wherein it is easier to avoid potential points of danger, it does not violate the other persons choice. Perhaps it is a violation if the person was looking forward to do harm or use the other person to accomplish harm upon others.

It can only be used to control another person if the recipient is willing to actively use the information to steer the conversation toward an attempt to change the other persons mind on a given subject.

This sort of reminds me of talking politics or religion with a polar opposite, changing their mind on a candidate or belief system is going to be difficult at best. They will probably walk away from the conversation before anyone get anywhere near success.

In the wrong hands I suppose choices could be minimized if used to refuse any outcome other than the one a person wants, or using the other person's desires against their better judgement. How often though before the person being used breaks the mold and adapts out of the manipulation?



I can use that information to either enhance or degrade "your events" [Yellow Flag Event] as I intend.


What is a [Yellow Flag Event] ?



PRO: I can either read your mind and organize them as an intentional observer so that you figure things out quickly.

CON: I can look them over, consider they don't suite me or my purposes (like an ET would), and write cues and information which further throws your supposedly secret thoughts and mindset (and therefore the events that follow) way out of whack.


Write cues? In what sense? Sort of reminds me of...

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/Operant-Conditioning.topicArticleId-25438,articleId-25346.html
or more precise as a mix of the above and
[PDF] RATIONALITY AND EMOTIONS IN DECISION MAKING
http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/114038

where reward conditioning morphs emotional output to drive decisions, by over weighing normal probabilities toward unrealistic expectations. for example: overwhelming a recipient with the elation of success, in the face of very low probabilities of such being the case. (Buy a lotto ticket for a greater chance at living the life you always wanted).



This is a sort of "4D" kind of paradigm that I am acting out on you (a 3D paradigm subject). To your detriment or your benefit. It depends on what the intention is.

As you can imagine, either way, I damage the way that events should have gone if I weren't here.

The other so called "4D" entities like the ET are going to see their versions of predicted events begin to shift around ever so slightly. They see it as "a noise" when the "Probability Curve" we are *all* going down starts to shift back and forth.

So they collectively decide what they are going to do, to make sure the shifts are as small as possible. So that individuals, assets, situations etc....are all where they are supposed to be and "in the condition" they are predicted to be in.

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would simply being aware of the information without acting upon it still cause damage? Does changing your own trajectory to benefit yourself damage how events would have turned out naturally?

Is the process being used a natural process, and if so why would its usage not be seen as a natural progression of events? Granted it may be predatory in some instances, but can it be deemed an unnatural progression?



By just reading your mind, I create subtle changes in the Probability Curve I am going down. The Trajectory changes enough to be noticeable.

Also by mind reading you, and changing your reactions/actions, I "degrade" the quality of your freewill.

If I were an ET, I would want to marginalize that free will enough so that your choices are predictable and certain. I'd set up people <cough>researchers/politicians/strategic assets<cough> in the community of Earth to make sure the variations are controlled.

By confining your choices or your perception of choices, even by engaging you, an ET can put you where you ought to be. Not where you naturally would be.

(The Higher Order Entities therefore sometimes intervene to even out things.)

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I have a feeling there is something else going on here, beyond a simple natural interaction to modify a persons perception of choices. I simply do not see a Higher Order Entity stepping in unless natural choice is being violated by other means well beyond what is being explained here.

or is it something else other than natural choice being violated here, if so what?

it just feels like there is a missing piece. i may be wrong, however if i am right... Are you allowed to broach this subject, without putting yourself or loved ones in danger? I may be curious, but do not push the limits if it creates a breach in an established agreement.



Such as a Remote Viewing program...lets say in 1983 July 31st (making it up) that couldn't target a specific piece of information that would have lead to significant changes further down the line.

I personally believe that even the ET are subject to the Higher Order Entities in some way. They (the ET) can't change things as drastically as they otherwise could.

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With Pre-cog the abnormality increases even further.

:) close enough.

Do ETs really want to change things drastically? What would their optimum trajectory lead to, if they had no roadblocks?

montalk
09-12-2012, 09:00 AM
If you mean to ask: "Is it possible to steer an individual onto an adjacent "Probability Curve/Trajectory"?

The answer is, Yes.

Montalk has some experience in doing that by following the cues he felt during his time operating as a moderator on his forum.

Yup, acting on such cues doesn't compare to real precog, but it shows that lesser forms of feedback and future-shifting are possible. My cues were prophetic dreams, omens, ear ringings, ear clicking, and deja vu. A shoddy set of indirect tools to make up for my lack of precognitive perception.

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So according to the "3D paradigm," the future is never supposed to influence the past. As in, the future is completely determined by the past. But since the past is singular and well-defined, so is the future that follows from it. Therefore any system that moves forward solely on past momentum, that has zero feedback from the future, will follow a very tight, predictable, and singular trajectory into the future. Its future ought to be both easy to calculate (because it follows from prior conditions) and easy to view with precog abilities (because it is so well-defined, narrowly focused, collimated).

I agree that without some kind of intelligent feedback from the future, it is impossible to strategically change it. Without that feedback, you are an inert domino being knocked into the future, knocking the next domino, ad infinitum. Feedback is a matter of degree, ranging from minor forms like subtle intuition, to major examples like full blown alien precognition.

Minor example: Let's say you have no psychic abilities, but an alien does. Some event concerning you is coming up, which the alien sees. The alien checks in on you, perturbing your head's influence field, and you get an ear ringing. You recognize this ear ringing as possibly pertaining to an event of interest coming up. You take heed and stay alert, and due to that alertness end up causing a failure of the event to fully manifest. If the future hadn't fed back into the past via the alien and the ear ringing, you would have been none the wiser and naturally walked right into the event. That's a minor form of feedback. Same goes for precognitive dreams or even symbolic omens.

Wildmage, I like what you said about how this relates to free will. It seems that ESP and precognition are prerequisites for achieving a higher kind of awareness and free will. Some of the gnostic/hermetic material I've read complain about the predictability of humans, their machine-like asleep nature, how they are slave to time and causality. These esoteric systems aim to help a person break away from the "3D paradigm", develop the higher mind connection, and achieve a kind of victory over time itself. Like a walking abnormality, but with a benevolent purpose. I find this interesting since these secret societies claim their ancient founders were nonhuman.

(Btw, the only other future-shifting method I have experienced is using a sustained thought/intent/emotion to influence the outcome of situations, without doing anything additional in terms of strategic action. Like, things would have gone the usual mundane way if I had done nothing. But instead, improbabilities fulfilling the aim of my intent begin popping up all by themselves. I don't know how this works, but it seems to be another form of probability bending).

Fore
09-12-2012, 02:51 PM
@ Montalk

I have a few things to confess. First, I tend to hold back on reporting odd circumstances and incidents until they become "self evident" that something abnormal is happening.

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About 7 days ago, the Ear ringing began, 2 per day.

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About 7 days ago, I began noticing the Area in front of my house (an open space) started to feel "full" on an ESP signature level. Like when an ET parks nearby while phased out. I ignored it.

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About 6 days ago, every other day I noticed odd "light aberrations" coming from the sky in front of my house. Some of the aberrations were flashes of light. Like twinkling light emanating from the air in front of my house. I thought to report it, but then stopped myself...saying (in a self deceptive mantra) "It is nothing".

I don't recall which night of the week, but I also saw like a spotlight or flashlight of white light up the ground in front of me while standing outside my house, I turned to look up at the that way and it disappeared, I thought to myself it was a mistake of seeing things.

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About 3 or 4 days ago (Monday in the early hours, I think):
Just after one of my recent posts on the forum, I encountered an ET doing "Remote Presence" projections at a distance.

This room (to my immediate left) got this strange "ordered" influence pattern. I turned to my side and noticed a muted pervasive presence. What came to mind (because I have seen this pattern countless times before) is that I had a Supervisor looking in on me.

The ET was blocked my attempts at reading it's signature and half the room had this overwhelming presence that a heavyweight (proverbially speaking) was looking me over.

The best way to describe it is a muted presence that doesn't give off any determined information about itself. I have seen it tons of time when the Supervisors remote project to look over events.

I wondered (since it was like 4:45~am) if this was the start of an encounter or not. Lucky for me it was not. I started to wonder if I had written anything to get on the bad side of one of them. Then I started to wonder if it was because I was about to write something which would bother one of them.

It was shortly after EPO posted the videos showing phasing technology in action and just around the time when I was looking over the video that Wildmage brought to my attention.

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At 5:05pm CST 9/12/2012,
I somehow got momentarily reconnected to the ET network for no longer than a few seconds. While this happened without my intention or without "the device/process" in me activating.

I heard some burst of communication telepathically of some ETs talking rapidly back and forth doing some strange operation in some area nearby in Texas. Something about a close to the surface operation. (ET strangers) At sensing that communication suddenly I snapped to attention and checked the area around me.

Nothing abnormal in the immediate area around me. Thought to immediately report it, but didn't...I thought I should keep it to myself like everything else.

About 2 or three hours later while standing outside after the sun had gone down (7 or 8 pm), I see the strangest cloud, it was self illuminated ?from above? It looked a bit strange because it was much brighter than other clouds. (we are not talking about "bottom lit" like from the city below, keep in mind)

What made me take notice of it was that there was a long shaft of light coming from the sky to the ground. (????) It was shining across the sky from the top of the dimly lit cloud above and continued straight towards the North across the sky in a straight line. It was super strange to see that for the first time.

I thought to myself, the sun was already down a while back, and the sun sets in the west, so why is this cloud in the middle of the sky lit up and why is the shaft of light arcing across the sky from this lit cloud? The directions don't match the direction of the long set sun.

I tried to understand the situations but couldn't so I decided not to mention it, it is just a cloud with a brightly lit shaft of light (like a spot light you see shining at large events where they have these large light arrays. except it was shining towards the ground.

It was like a contrail, but it was perfect, no breaks or uneven distribution. And this contrail was white and lit up while connecting to the lit cloud.

I thought (more like forced reasoning) that it was weird that it was perpendicular to the long set sun. I concluded it must be either (?) a reflection from high atmosphere ice (in 90+ degree temperature?) or some kind of flight that was imaging the ground (but it was lit up as was the cloud?). I admit, my ideas didn't make any sense.

I thought, I should mention that on the forum...but should I really?

I thought to talk to NyLily/Garuda about any reports over Texas but then I thought I shouldn't do that. There is not enough evidence to conclude anything.

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After about 20min,

A family member came outside and asked me to check the electrical power, the room where this computer was in had suddenly lost power. The rest of the house had power including other places on the same circuit. I went to check the breaker box, but the breaker hadn't been flipped.

I thought, oh good thing I hit post (referring to the forum) before I lost it (again) in another strange electrical issue that has no explanation.

I couldn't figure it out. The extension didn't have any power running through it. Hit the reset button, nothing, unplugged and re-plugged, it suddenly went back to working. (??)

Fore
09-12-2012, 04:19 PM
:) close enough.

Do ETs really want to change things drastically? Yes.


What would their optimum trajectory lead to, if they had no roadblocks? I don't know that, but it involves this midway for some factions to get their way:

http://www.dagmedya.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/u2w7P.jpg

http://www.dagmedya.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/u2w7P.jpg

I don't know whether you have children or plan to have any, but where do you think they are in such a scenario?

Fore
09-12-2012, 04:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q
url to video above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqeqW3g8N2Q

The text for what is explained in the video is here:
http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.ca/2012/07/imagining-tenth-dimension-2012-version.html

I just watched the video and I think it does a very good job of describing her system of understanding (well the dumbed down version) up until about 7 or 8 minutes. Then there are some divergences at around the 6th or 7th dimension.

I will have to look over the more exact videos near the end to give you a good idea of where her version differs. Keep in mind she said there have to be about 3 different epochs of physics (major revisions) before our kind has a similar view of physics to theirs.

She also said a long time ago she wouldn't share anything with me that wasn't already pre-existing in our non-public/public science.

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What was enlightening about the video is that science is on the path to seeing things the way the ET do. I also learned some of the names and conventions they use to describe what she described.

Somewhere around 6D or 7D she introduces the concept of the "Translation Gates". They are not stargates or anything you can see with the human eye. They are more like a large volume of concepts and abstract processes wrapped into two simple words. "Translation" and "Gates"

IMO (In My Opinion): You should be very weary of the insiders whom claim that they worked on a project to achieve the idea of conventional wormholes, conventional ideas of stargate "portals", or conventional ideas of time travel in the way it is currently conceived.

Anyone dealing with ET or ET technology would be very poignant to phrase things completely differently than standard (public) modern day physics conceptions.

If they don't make numerous corrective remarks about why public science is off on many points....you should really [deeply] consider what the source is trying to do to you or say to you through its story.

Just thought I should say that.

Fore
09-12-2012, 06:20 PM
In my personal opinion Telepathy, is a lot less dangerous than precognition. While at first it may be unsettling, not only for the person being read/observed but also for the person doing the reading/observing. A balance of sorts can be achieved in the interaction without a violation of freewill. Sure, thats pretty true.


While a person may have an advantage over another person by knowing what they are thinking, a break in free will is much harder to achieve. Although you may initially disagree, the previous statement excludes precognition and thought manipulation/insemination. It all depends on your definition of what is considered "a break" in free will.

There are ways to employ "Mind Reading" to the detriment of others without ever resorting to TI/TM (thought manipulation/insemination) or Pre-Cognitive features.

Knowing what your thought process is based on, where it is going, how you apply yourself to different ideas (etc)....can all be used to craft and design the words, phrases, timing etc. to exploit you.

Natural verbalized speech can be used with the above "mind read" information to reduce the range of your thought processes. Another is to control what you gravitate towards inside your head by stimulating you in real time with different points of topics/ideas and "appropriate timing".

You can even corner someone in their thought processes if you have enough real time information to work with.

In that sense, you can limit or seriously degrade their ability to exercise the underpinning processes guiding their free will.

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I don't mean to push this point on you on that, but you must have seen me use some of my barely functional faculties way back in the day on OMF.

Garuda used to ask me all the time if I had ever studied...what is it called...??

I don't recall. It was something about using hand eye coordination or posturing. The name escapes me at the moment.

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The point is, knowing what is happening in your head to a certain depth gives someone like an ET a serious advantage where they can pretty much anticipate what you are going to say next (even without pre-cog).

Your natural processes are always going to do what they are always going to do. (In this I reference your internal mentalization of problems and resolutions to problems your confronted with.)

The idea is that someone can be in control of what happens in that persons mind as they go "through the motions". The ET (especially the Grey) treat the verbal and sight aspects of a persons perception of the world as merely the "front end" of an individual.

They peer into the "back end" workings of an individual and craft the "front end" presentation an individual can see and hear to get the desired response (what they want).

In the old days, I mainly used a similar (though not as destructive version) of it to anticipate the next points someone was thinking about and therefore work to conclude the conversation before they got a chance to unwrap their questions in a time consuming fashion on the table. Mainly out of being bored of the slow speeds that conversations develop.

If you read someones inner landscape you can target their questions, hesitations, and inner concepts / bias and address them directly without having to go through all the motions and time involved.

You can see some of this employed in abductions and often even in contactee cases.

If you are unscrupulous, (like some ET) you can control an audience and craft information and data based on where they want the audience to be.

Therein lies the danger to compromising their freewill.


it leaves the recipient with a current thought regarding a particular situation. While useful in avoiding potential pitfalls, wherein it is easier to avoid potential points of danger, it does not violate the other persons choice. Perhaps it is a violation if the person was looking forward to do harm or use the other person to accomplish harm upon others. See above.


It can only be used to control another person if the recipient is willing to actively use the information to steer the conversation toward an attempt to change the other persons mind on a given subject.

Hypothetically speaking:
Consider that if I ask you to get mad without a reason, you would refuse to.

But if I take your arm by the wrist and tell you to put your hand straight, probability dictates that 25% of the time you will ask me why you should. 75% of the probability is that you would think it was insignificant act and would do so without questions.

In this case, you did put your hand straight.

I then grabbed a lighter and turned it on under your hand, you pulled back from the pain and become angry. Probability dictates that you would become angry 95% of the time if I did that, with a probability of only 5% that you wouldn't.

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Imagine this same equivalent action only in your mind as opposed to your body.

With psychic abilities and someone quantifying your inner workings by looking at your "back end" processes, they can figure out a course of action. It all depends on the quantified values in your head as well as a technical understanding of how human beings work.

Recall that I told you many times that ET like the Grey have a proverbial database of human behaviors implanted in their head. They themselves are not human and don't share many of the same experiences.

But their technical understandings, their ability to quantify values you experience internally and their psychic ability are sufficient to make them almost master manipulators.

I also include the Nordics and other ET from various factions whom play the same game.

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There are tendencies you have by your nature. That is what they try to exploit even when you aren't aware of it.

You would be very lucky if it were only "Mind Reading" being applied. They don't need to come to forums to manipulate you. They can do it unseen without ever being seen or heard.

Sometimes though they require that the input be placed in a written form for dissemination and propaganda campaigns. To that end they use contactees, abductees and channelers. (ugh)

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So if at some future point Contact Day has happened, keep in mind what I am telling you right now. Look side ways at the group of people huddled together gawking and looking at the ET on some presentation.

Keep in mind what I have said. They like predictable outcomes. They have a varied array of abilities at their disposal. They have a good understanding of how you/humanity work on the inside.

So if you ever get face to face with one, keep in mind what you are looking at and what it knows as it examines your back end. (assuming it is a Telepathic capable ET)


This sort of reminds me of talking politics or religion with a polar opposite, changing their mind on a candidate or belief system is going to be difficult at best. They will probably walk away from the conversation before anyone get anywhere near success. This is only "hard" if you have no idea what is going on in the back of their mind.

If you know what is going on in the back of their mind, it is not hard at all.

People are usually polar opposites for a reason. Be it sentimental, mental or emotional. If you know what the points of reference are, you can address them and convince anyone of anything.

When they come, they will (no doubt) come with a well rehearsed line and script to address hardened religious folks. They will address the evolution vs creationism folks.

When an ET asks you why you feel a certain way, it is unlikely to be because it "cares". It is most likely because it is taking mental notes as you relate the issues and ponder upon them to report back. It is likely observing the "back end" processes going through your head, sentiment, emotions as you ponder it.

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Whether it offends anyone or not, you can be reduced to a list of issues. Someone intelligent and skillful enough can fabricate reasons to change your mind. More so, if they are psychic.

That just means they will hit the mark consistently.


What is a [Yellow Flag Event] ? It means that a part of my consciousness reacted to a specific series of words or phrases or topics. Perhaps by way of a process related to monitoring.

Resulting in a conscious or subconscious warning to stop. (induced hesitation, fear, foreboding, conscious awareness of improper behavior, etc)

A Red Flag, is when some "device or process" (probably embedded in my psychic interconnect) uses my psychic abilities to send notice to my former ET associates that I am blabbing about something. Which usually results in active ET monitoring and handling.

Which usually means someone will come and look and see what is happening. If it is serious enough, they will come in person to introduce me to some form of "corrective/coercive measures".

Fore
09-13-2012, 05:21 AM
Write cues? In what sense? Sort of reminds me of...

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/Operant-Conditioning.topicArticleId-25438,articleId-25346.html
or more precise as a mix of the above and
[PDF] RATIONALITY AND EMOTIONS IN DECISION MAKING
http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/114038

where reward conditioning morphs emotional output to drive decisions, by over weighing normal probabilities toward unrealistic expectations. for example: overwhelming a recipient with the elation of success, in the face of very low probabilities of such being the case. (Buy a lotto ticket for a greater chance at living the life you always wanted). The ET version I was trained/instructed on works differently.

The basic idea is about knowing how people react and using that to your advantage. The basic thrust is that few people are in control of their inherent behaviors to the degree that they may (probability wise) consider doing nothing when "stimulated" or "coaxed" through the use of words, posturing, or ~situational pressures~.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coaxed

How many times have you heard of an Abductee being unaffected by a conversation or projected telepathy full of perceived imagery and sounds.

(Actually, they did confess that it did happen, but it was very rare.)

Side note: Keep in mind as advanced psychics some ET configure their bodies as extensions of themselves as opposed to themselves. So for example, they are mental heavy and they process situations and motives somewhat different than the average person found here. (Earth)

There is more examination of how they react and that is why they sometimes pause slightly before picking an action.

Especially in some ET, their body is simply an extension that is controlled by higher processes you can't see with the naked eye. I know this is probably very foreign to you all, but keep in mind I am trying my best to humanize the concepts as best as I can.



would simply being aware of the information without acting upon it still cause damage? Does changing your own trajectory to benefit yourself damage how events would have turned out naturally? Define "damage".

I was taught that sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something.

To change a probability trajectory, all you have to "do" is simply intervene enough that events don't proceed as they should. This can be something as weak as montalk said, an ear ringing event by some ET inadvertently checking up on a subject and that subjects thought processes not being where they are supposed to be at a given point and time.

Information itself does not alter someones probabilities. It is changing that persons decisions at any given moment that makes the change.

I shared with people their future, as soon as they became aware of it nothing happened. So I pushed the point and they made a conscious decision to change the outcome of an event several months in the future.

How do I know?

As I observed their thought process remotely, they made a mental decision based on the information. At that point the future trajectory for them began to go into flux and after a few hours their future read slightly differently as to what they did.

They were informed of the change at the time. The event happened as prescribed a few months later, but they were not where they should have been...experiencing what they should have experienced.

I did it as an experiment out of curiosity, they knew it as I had informed them of my intentions at the time. They were open to being read and having their future altered so there was no manipulation of any kind.

I am pretty open about these things.


Is the process being used a natural process, and if so why would its usage not be seen as a natural progression of events? Granted it may be predatory in some instances, but can it be deemed an unnatural progression? Depends on what you consider unnatural and what results from the changes.

There is an "odd sensation" that comes over you when your interconnect reacts to the sudden abnormal shifts in the probability axis. (psychically speaking) It sort of seems to re-establish a lock on which particular probability it [the interconnect] is synced with.

For example, if you use pre-cog to read your position in spacetime a few minutes ahead of present time. Then step in an area contrary to that information, the odd sensation occurs. It feels like you are occupying a dead or cold point in spacetime followed by sensations that "something is wrong" and subtle feelings of what is not supposed to happen.

If you know about something in advance, and you play a game of altering the outcomes by intentionally changing the situations in people around you, that were supposed to be, the sensation comes on pretty strong.

I used to refer to them as continuity errors, but I think that is just my sudden shifts in the probability trajectory and my psychic features reeling from the sudden shifts.


I have a feeling there is something else going on here, beyond a simple natural interaction to modify a persons perception of choices. I simply do not see a Higher Order Entity stepping in unless natural choice is being violated by other means well beyond what is being explained here. The Higher Order Entities work for someone whom exists everywhere and everywhen.

If they get orders to limit or create a certain situation they will be there to keep it from unraveling or promote it as a present condition.

They aren't from this type of existence. They supposedly can assume physical bodies at will when directed to do so. They can also dissolve a corporeal form at will. (Though I haven't seen them do any of that, I have asked it before and thats what they said. There is also evidence in the bible that they have done it before.)

Where they come from they have techniques for manipulating our realities constants. I wouldn't call it technology since it doesn't appear to be any technology I recognize. I'd call it techniques.

If they are ordered to cause an earth quake, they would go there and change the constants in a certain area to induce an earthquake. Same for the weather.

Think of it this way, when I explained the idea of highly compact influence flux points causing shaking in the floors and furniture of my house when I release too much influence.

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If they [the Higher Order Entities] carry reality bending/influencing "energies" with them, and if instructed to do so, they can utilize it on Earths geophysical properties at large scales. Sort of like Montalks articles on Demuirgic technologies.

What I can do at tiny scales with my own natural influence, they can use these reality bending/influencing energies to alter large scale events. Including manipulating the weather as I have seen first hand.

It doesn't matter if it is blue clear sky, they can make lighting where none should be. Despite a physics professor pounding his text book might say.

Different techniques, different scales, same applications.

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I don't consider it all that odd that the Higher Order Entities are the unseen administrators of alot of things. Including keeping probabilities on track.

Keep in mind they work for someone well beyond even them.


it just feels like there is a missing piece. i may be wrong, however if i am right... Are you allowed to broach this subject, without putting yourself or loved ones in danger? I may be curious, but do not push the limits if it creates a breach in an established agreement. It breaches all kinds of agreements.

If it weren't for God and His Higher Order Entities, I am sure I would be feeling it by now. Though besides a few strangeness, so far no ET has come to bash my head in. I am pretty sure they would love to.

Time will tell if God has power over other foreign life forms. I think that is a no brainer, but testing is always a good idea.

Fore
09-13-2012, 05:36 AM
Consider how (according to your video) a 10D being can corner a 3D society (Earth/Humanity) and 4D-5D ET.

Imagine a 10D being ordering around a bunch of 7D -> 9D (Higher Order) beings to tend to things.

Imagine the 7D to 9D beings possessing bodies that naturally affect reality systems. (No need for material technologies...only techniques)

Imagine 7D to 9D beings that come from a pretty nice reality that is nothing like the Earth. Imagine that their inner being defines aspects of their outer appearances. Imagine further that these 7D to 9D beings affect their environment with those thoughts and inner world.

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They might behave differently than a common ET or a human being if that were the case.

Edit: Imagine that your present and future are defined by your actions and decisions. Further imagine that when you have died, you are currently looking at yourself right now and everything you are doing is being scrutinized.

Given that you are in this present time frame, what would you do differently under such scrutiny?

How would you hide anything from that penetrating gaze into your mind or your heart and what you are doing right now?

Chances are we couldn't no matter how hard we try. So the question is, what should you do differently now with that ever present gaze looking through you at every level?

Food for thought!

river
09-13-2012, 06:40 AM
fore, do you think the "e.t." want to keep you trapped or tricked into doing the wrong things ?
to go along with their agendas
seems this way to me, i do know i've been tricked recently and very badly beaten up on, even though I knew better
i've had warnings too and seemed to be unable to get my feet pointed in the right direction
there are those who are wanting to take me in the wrong direction
sorry for such a simple question, but I could spend hours trying to catch up on reading here, won't have the time to do so in the near future, though i hope to soon, so many pieces to put back togetherincluding my old self,

WildMage
09-13-2012, 07:01 AM
Dunno why, but the post-apocalyptic world shown is something I am familiar with at an emotional level. The crazy part is that it almost feels like home, and there are times i wonder if something like that needs to occur to re-balance things on this planet. I do stop myself however recognizing that it would not be good for anyone involved in such a thing. just has me wonder at times where such darkness comes from. Maybe I'm just nuts, for even thinking about such things.

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I do look forward to the comparative analysis of the video and concepts you were taught. There was a moment in there that it reminded me of Cantor, and his infinite infinities and scalar worlds.

Been also looking at P-CTCs (post-selected closed time-like curves), which has some interesting concepts regarding exiting and re-entering a space-time at different points. A few papers out there claiming time travel would be possible without the paradoxes.

here is an older article for those interested in chasing it down:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7904712/Quantum-time-machine-allows-paradox-free-time-travel.html

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Sure, thats pretty true.

It all depends on your definition of what is considered "a break" in free will.

There are ways to employ "Mind Reading" to the detriment of others without ever resorting to TI/TM (thought manipulation/insemination) or Pre-Cognitive features.

Knowing what your thought process is based on, where it is going, how you apply yourself to different ideas (etc)....can all be used to craft and design the words, phrases, timing etc. to exploit you.

Natural verbalized speech can be used with the above "mind read" information to reduce the range of your thought processes. Another is to control what you gravitate towards inside your head by stimulating you in real time with different points of topics/ideas and "appropriate timing".

You can even corner someone in their thought processes if you have enough real time information to work with.

In that sense, you can limit or seriously degrade their ability to exercise the underpinning processes guiding their free will.

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My definition of a break in free will; follows along the lines of where choice is no longer available. When the probability of a choice vanishes i.e. heads I win, tails you lose. Regardless of how such a scenario is setup or how complex it may seem, or how deep the layers go to achieve a non choice selection it would be a break in freewill.

Seriously downgrading freewill, but leaving an out clause, does not break freewill. As in your example below I stiil have a 25% chance of not holding my hand out. If the choice is no longer there however, i.e. another mechanism is used to force the hand out then it breaks. In other words the choice to not hold the hand out is overridden by other means outside of the person's control then a break occurs. In some extreme cases a choice between the lesser of 2 evils is still a freewill choice. Thought insemination with a twist where the wetware is actually being controlled directly would be a break if the person no longer has the faculties to make a decision.

A case here would be to overwhelm a person with choices or combinatorial(s) to a point they can no longer function, or paralyze their analysis functions by removing their emotional states, and then making a suggestion. The paralyzed state is broken upon their acceptance of the suggestion. <<-- A break in freewill has occurred, because the person no longer has the capacity to choose.




I don't mean to push this point on you on that, but you must have seen me use some of my barely functional faculties way back in the day on OMF.

Garuda used to ask me all the time if I had ever studied...what is it called...??

I don't recall. It was something about using hand eye coordination or posturing. The name escapes me at the moment.

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Yes I have, and in some instances it did disturb me greatly, mostly because emotional states were being taken for a roller coaster ride.

perhaps Unconscious communication, but Garuda would need to confirm, I do not recall the precise term, just going by your description here.




The point is, knowing what is happening in your head to a certain depth gives someone like an ET a serious advantage where they can pretty much anticipate what you are going to say next (even without pre-cog).

Your natural processes are always going to do what they are always going to do. (In this I reference your internal mentalization of problems and resolutions to problems your confronted with.)

The idea is that someone can be in control of what happens in that persons mind as they go "through the motions". The ET (especially the Grey) treat the verbal and sight aspects of a persons perception of the world as merely the "front end" of an individual.

They peer into the "back end" workings of an individual and craft the "front end" presentation an individual can see and hear to get the desired response (what they want).

In the old days, I mainly used a similar (though not as destructive version) of it to anticipate the next points someone was thinking about and therefore work to conclude the conversation before they got a chance to unwrap their questions in a time consuming fashion on the table. Mainly out of being bored of the slow speeds that conversations develop.

If you read someones inner landscape you can target their questions, hesitations, and inner concepts / bias and address them directly without having to go through all the motions and time involved.

You can see some of this employed in abductions and often even in contactee cases.

If you are unscrupulous, (like some ET) you can control an audience and craft information and data based on where they want the audience to be.

Therein lies the danger to compromising their freewill.



There are limits, and people tend to have adverse reactions, because they can still feel the manipulation at some level. I will use the Obama campaign of 4 years ago as a case and example, many were persuaded into hearing what they wanted to hear. then the reality of the situation hit home, the emotional drop was enough for some to simply walk away, in disgust, and others in anger.

While we may also look at Goodchild, and see the manipulation was reintroduced after the let down, there has to be a limit to where a person is willing to be led down a rosy path. Human nature, may be insane in some case with either the need for attention or greed, but eventually something gives. The hope is that it gives before too much damage is done.

If you ask me one of the key elements to the manipulation is to establish an emptiness in a person which they then strive to have filled. It's a chase where they can never be satisfied. It's the missing piece everyone is looking for which cannot be found. like a word on the tip of the tongue which was there a moment ago. This is the gap that is being exploited and until people realize this for themselves and begin to accept, appreciate, and enjoy their life for what it is, other entities will always have an upper hand. Even I struggle with this one on a regular basis, where i get the feeling of there has to be more, destiny, and waiting for some kind of trigger event. Looking back people have died of old age waiting for this thing to unfold and show them what it was all about.

Freewill is limited in the above because the person is chasing a ghost, and trying to make sense of something which was created to not make any sense at all. It's the exertion of going thru the combinatorial(s) that opens a person up to persuasive suggestions. Their brain is too busy to realize the manipulation taking place.

WildMage
09-13-2012, 07:07 AM
Hypothetically speaking:
Consider that if I ask you to get mad without a reason, you would refuse to.

But if I take your arm by the wrist and tell you to put your hand straight, probability dictates that 25% of the time you will ask me why you should. 75% of the probability is that you would think it was insignificant act and would do so without questions.

In this case, you did put your hand straight.

I then grabbed a lighter and turned it on under your hand, you pulled back from the pain and become angry. Probability dictates that you would become angry 95% of the time if I did that, with a probability of only 5% that you wouldn't.

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Without negative reinforcement or a choice of greater harm, this only works at most a handful of times in various variations. Distrust, and avoidance come into play rather quickly. it could be used to keep people apart, as an end goal. As long as the entity driving the experiment remains hidden i suppose they can get away with it.

There was a movie director who had a man go up to very young children on movie sets under the age of 4, and yank toys away. The end results was a conditioned response from the children; anytime they saw this man they would cry on cue. Of course he was the good guy who brought them their toys back ;)



Imagine this same equivalent action only in your mind as opposed to your body.

With psychic abilities and someone quantifying your inner workings by looking at your "back end" processes, they can figure out a course of action. It all depends on the quantified values in your head as well as a technical understanding of how human beings work.

Recall that I told you many times that ET like the Grey have a proverbial database of human behaviors implanted in their head. They themselves are not human and don't share many of the same experiences.

But their technical understandings, their ability to quantify values you experience internally and their psychic ability are sufficient to make them almost master manipulators.

I also include the Nordics and other ET from various factions whom play the same game.

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There are also cases where abductees/contactees become aware and fight back to the best of their abilities... you for example. There are others who wise up to the manipulation and fight it also. Many also look for answers as to how they can break free from the cycle. If anything this would be one of the most useful insights ever provided, if it could be repeated with any quantifiable success rate. With your knowledge many of these same people look to you to glean any potentially usable information which could be used to set themselves free of this thing.

you may not have asked for it, but in a sense you indirectly put yourself in such a position, by explaining various aspects of their methods. The missing pieces however are what they fear, what they avoid, and/or conditions which cause a loss of control over their subjects.



There are tendencies you have by your nature. That is what they try to exploit even when you aren't aware of it.

You would be very lucky if it were only "Mind Reading" being applied. They don't need to come to forums to manipulate you. They can do it unseen without ever being seen or heard.

Sometimes though they require that the input be placed in a written form for dissemination and propaganda campaigns. To that end they use contactees, abductees and channelers. (ugh)

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The little play pens of like minded individuals looking for reinforcements of belief systems, which may not even be their own? Human nature to congregate and then exclude others who do not believe as they do. Even the smallest deviation, in some cases become chasms and schisms in communities. I wonder how much ET was involved in creating all the different variations of religion. Perhaps it was just human nature to break away if for no other reason than to have their ideas heard. it is a strong elixir if an outside entity provides you the right words in the right way that those around you begin to listen. It is an equally strong motivator once achieved to have it all taken away if the line is not towed as dictated. I wonder how much of the blame was put back on Goodchild to have her realize that perhaps she should not have said something, causing her to see her downfall as her own fault for not towing the line properly.



So if at some future point Contact Day has happened, keep in mind what I am telling you right now. Look side ways at the group of people huddled together gawking and looking at the ET on some presentation.

Keep in mind what I have said. They like predictable outcomes. They have a varied array of abilities at their disposal. They have a good understanding of how you/humanity work on the inside.

So if you ever get face to face with one, keep in mind what you are looking at and what it knows as it examines your back end. (assuming it is a Telepathic capable ET)

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This is only "hard" if you have no idea what is going on in the back of their mind.

If you know what is going on in the back of their mind, it is not hard at all.

People are usually polar opposites for a reason. Be it sentimental, mental or emotional. If you know what the points of reference are, you can address them and convince anyone of anything.

When they come, they will (no doubt) come with a well rehearsed line and script to address hardened religious folks. They will address the evolution vs creationism folks.

When an ET asks you why you feel a certain way, it is unlikely to be because it "cares". It is most likely because it is taking mental notes as you relate the issues and ponder upon them to report back. It is likely observing the "back end" processes going through your head, sentiment, emotions as you ponder it.

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I think it is a supenssion of emotions, perhaps by overwhelming a person with extreme emotions that causes a desensitization of sorts. Once this is accomplished then most people will be very open to accepting suggestions given to them. I wonder at times if people could build up an immunity, by simply expressing their emotions instead of repressing them. In other words there would not be a huge reservoir of repressed emotion which could be tapped at will to facilitate this type of behavioral conditioning.




Whether it offends anyone or not, you can be reduced to a list of issues. Someone intelligent and skillful enough can fabricate reasons to change your mind. More so, if they are psychic.

That just means they will hit the mark consistently.


Does a strong set of personal beliefs and values help or hinder such a process?



It means that a part of my consciousness reacted to a specific series of words or phrases or topics. Perhaps by way of a process related to monitoring.

Resulting in a conscious or subconscious warning to stop. (induced hesitation, fear, foreboding, conscious awareness of improper behavior, etc)

A Red Flag, is when some "device or process" (probably embedded in my psychic interconnect) uses my psychic abilities to send notice to my former ET associates that I am blabbing about something. Which usually results in active ET monitoring and handling.

Which usually means someone will come and look and see what is happening. If it is serious enough, they will come in person to introduce me to some form of "corrective/coercive measures".

thank you for the explanation, you say it is induced, Is this external or an internal conditioning. I'm figuring if it is external then it demonstrates active monitoring. Internal would mean they have a some type of event condition action program running to trigger the reaction. Have you figured out how they may be inducing this reaction from you?

Fore
09-13-2012, 07:31 AM
Freewill is limited in the above because the person is chasing a ghost, and trying to make sense of something which was created to not make any sense at all. It's the exertion of going thru the combinatorial(s) that opens a person up to persuasive suggestions. Their brain is too busy to realize the manipulation taking place.I was a victim of just such a scenario.

You might not know just how much those words hurt on this end of the screen. (Not you fault, simply remembering it all causes me some pain)

What I quoted above is a common way people are manipulated. Especially the experiencers you'll meet whom have a template installed in their head.

A sensation of unknown purpose or fulfillment that edges them on into the ETs hands.

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The good news is, that if you separate from the ET, that sensation goes away with time.

I guess it is something that needs to be reinforced at periodic intervals. Without the reinforcement I guess it stops working.

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Some ET have no sympathy nor any shred of sentimentality for what they put us through. Some do, Some don't.

WildMage
09-13-2012, 10:40 AM
The ET version I was trained/instructed on works differently.

The basic idea is about knowing how people react and using that to your advantage. The basic thrust is that few people are in control of their inherent behaviors to the degree that they may (probability wise) consider doing nothing when "stimulated" or "coaxed" through the use of words, posturing, or ~situational pressures~.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/coaxed

How many times have you heard of an Abductee being unaffected by a conversation or projected telepathy full of perceived imagery and sounds.

(Actually, they did confess that it did happen, but it was very rare.)

Side note: Keep in mind as advanced psychics some ET configure their bodies as extensions of themselves as opposed to themselves. So for example, they are mental heavy and they process situations and motives somewhat different than the average person found here. (Earth)

There is more examination of how they react and that is why they sometimes pause slightly before picking an action.

Especially in some ET, their body is simply an extension that is controlled by higher processes you can't see with the naked eye. I know this is probably very foreign to you all, but keep in mind I am trying my best to humanize the concepts as best as I can.



What is interesting is from a very young age we are conditioned to hide our emotions, to repress them, and not to express our feelings openly. How much of this is inline with the ET agenda?

All in the name of rational thought, which should be emotionless, or so we are taught. Supposedly an emotional decision is wrong, because ... why?

humans are emotional beings, with feelings, which should be expressed. Is it a reservoir of repressed emotions which ET uses or taps into when they project telepathically the scenarios they do?

Is it the emotional reaction which is being controlled? With a large enough reservoir of unexpressed emotions, perhaps it is easier to trigger the reaction, or overreaction to a scenario. If a person overreacts then there is a loss of control in their rational thought process. It becomes unbalanced, and this imbalance can be exploited. This imbalance skews the measurements for any realistic expectations the person is measuring for.

It is like asking someone to pick the number of jelly beans in a jar while disclosing the jelly beans are much smaller than the appear allowing for a larger quantity to fit in the jar. Then giving them an arbitrarily large number of how many normal jelly beans would fit in the jar. The conclusion is there should be more jelly beans then the normal number provided even if their senses tell them it is a lower number. They know the guess is wrong but rational measurement has been skewed, by the pre-load of information.

The only difference between the two scenarios is the balance emotion driving a subsequent decision or acceptance of a suggestion. I.e. Too emotionally drained or fatigued to fight off a suggestion. A suggestion may seem rational in the face of an extreme emotional outburst. How many abductees/contactees when remembering events go thru an emotional roller-coaster ride, and then seem serenely calm, passive to the point of simply accepting whatever is thrown their way?





Define "damage".

I was taught that sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something.

To change a probability trajectory, all you have to "do" is simply intervene enough that events don't proceed as they should. This can be something as weak as montalk said, an ear ringing event by some ET inadvertently checking up on a subject and that subjects thought processes not being where they are supposed to be at a given point and time.

Information itself does not alter someones probabilities. It is changing that persons decisions at any given moment that makes the change.



Damage is only relevant in the sense of determinism.

If changes are made to change what has already been determined, then damage to a determined timeline for an individual has occurred.

If the view from above is non-deterministic, then attempts to make it deterministic, are what would be considered damaging.

Based on your accounts it appears ET follows a path of attempting to make things deterministic. They also go to great lengths to make it appear as though this is the case. In ET's handbook it would seem people do not have free will because everything has already been per-determined.

They provide hope thru limited choices, and highly skewed scenarios:

be safe with us as the world goes to hell in a hand basket or live thru the apocalypse which you will be responsible for because you did not listen to our warnings. Besides there are too many people who are already on this path of destruction to truly stop it from occurring. Perhaps if you spread our message, enough people will wake up to shift this eventuality, and allow us to intervene, but things look really dim. <<-- one of many standard operating scenarios? (The S.O.S. Protocol)

Of course the back drop is a world being destroyed and left in ruins with emotions of fear, frustration, despair, and suppressed rage being introduced as a measurement against which hopeful suggestion are made. We have an innate sense of empathy, which can be triggered to overwhelm our decision making process.

The good cop / bad cop routine also works wonders when an abductee is saved from horrifying experiments at the hands of evil ETs ... how obligated would a person feel from such an encounter with benevolent beings, who chased the bad guys away ?

BTW I do believe in guardian angels and God as a force which would be protective when called upon. To clarify the statements above are made outside of this scope. When God and his angels are protecting you then you are by all means protected.




I shared with people their future, as soon as they became aware of it nothing happened. So I pushed the point and they made a conscious decision to change the outcome of an event several months in the future.

How do I know?

As I observed their thought process remotely, they made a mental decision based on the information. At that point the future trajectory for them began to go into flux and after a few hours their future read slightly differently as to what they did.

They were informed of the change at the time. The event happened as prescribed a few months later, but they were not where they should have been...experiencing what they should have experienced.

I did it as an experiment out of curiosity, they knew it as I had informed them of my intentions at the time. They were open to being read and having their future altered so there was no manipulation of any kind.

I am pretty open about these things.


It is interesting you perceived it in such a manner. How are you sure they were not exactly where they were supposed to be based on the course of events which transpired? Is being aware of both timelines or space-times make one more valid than the other? In each case choices were presented and decisions were made it leads to different points but a choice was made to go to the alternate point.




Depends on what you consider unnatural and what results from the changes.

There is an "odd sensation" that comes over you when your interconnect reacts to the sudden abnormal shifts in the probability axis. (psychically speaking) It sort of seems to re-establish a lock on which particular probability it [the interconnect] is synced with.

For example, if you use pre-cog to read your position in spacetime a few minutes ahead of present time. Then step in an area contrary to that information, the odd sensation occurs. It feels like you are occupying a dead or cold point in spacetime followed by sensations that "something is wrong" and subtle feelings of what is not supposed to happen.

If you know about something in advance, and you play a game of altering the outcomes by intentionally changing the situations in people around you, that were supposed to be, the sensation comes on pretty strong.

I used to refer to them as continuity errors, but I think that is just my sudden shifts in the probability trajectory and my psychic features reeling from the sudden shifts.


In my own opinion it becomes unnatural when it is used to change the course of events in a persons life against their "expressed" will. in other words if you went ahead and gave someone their future against their expressed/voiced will, then I would say you are dealing with unnatural forces, which may come back and truly bite you in the ass. I wonder if this is why ET tiptoed around this almost to a point of either ensuring there would be no voiced objection i.e silencing opposition, or in cases of awareness going out of their way to condition a consensual agreement?

WildMage
09-13-2012, 10:44 AM
The Higher Order Entities work for someone whom exists everywhere and everywhen.

If they get orders to limit or create a certain situation they will be there to keep it from unraveling or promote it as a present condition.

They aren't from this type of existence. They supposedly can assume physical bodies at will when directed to do so. They can also dissolve a corporeal form at will. (Though I haven't seen them do any of that, I have asked it before and that's what they said. There is also evidence in the bible that they have done it before.)

Where they come from they have techniques for manipulating our realities constants. I wouldn't call it technology since it doesn't appear to be any technology I recognize. I'd call it techniques.

If they are ordered to cause an earth quake, they would go there and change the constants in a certain area to induce an earthquake. Same for the weather.

Think of it this way, when I explained the idea of highly compact influence flux points causing shaking in the floors and furniture of my house when I release too much influence.

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I do not know if my own experiences comes close to what you are describing or if I can even relate to this properly. From my own experience there is a network of sorts which can be manipulated thru the controlled will of multiple persons (taking on a spiritual essence or thought form) and plugging into a system of interconnected energy points. Control is then relinquished to a higher order entity which re-balances a thought energy or life-force field, which encompasses the globe. This is global scale, where the geophysical energy or life-force fields are re-balanced holistically for the planet. All of life is a part of this field, and every bit of it has a say in the health of our planet and how it should be balanced or how the balance points of the field should be arranged for optimal flow. <<-- This includes the flow of probabilities and their trajectory; maybe this is where a concept of Karma came from or was derived from? Eventually the rest of the planet readjusts itself to smooth out the various probabilities which are out of whack.

At a higher level I can only guess a universal scale equivalent also exists.





If they [the Higher Order Entities] carry reality bending/influencing "energies" with them, and if instructed to do so, they can utilize it on Earths geophysical properties at large scales. Sort of like Montalks articles on Demuirgic technologies.

What I can do at tiny scales with my own natural influence, they can use these reality bending/influencing energies to alter large scale events. Including manipulating the weather as I have seen first hand.

It doesn't matter if it is blue clear sky, they can make lighting where none should be. Despite a physics professor pounding his text book might say.

Different techniques, different scales, same applications.

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I cannot doubt your words because my own experience confirms this at various levels.

Maybe someday I will take the time to draw out a conceptual representation of Demuirgic technologies based on my own experiences. For now though I feel this should remain locked away in the space between my ears ;)



I don't consider it all that odd that the Higher Order Entities are the unseen administrators of a lot of things. Including keeping probabilities on track.

Keep in mind they work for someone well beyond even them.


true, their power even our own is sourced from a much higher entity, we would not exist or even have the ability to discuss this without this source energy / life-force.



It breaches all kinds of agreements.

If it weren't for God and His Higher Order Entities, I am sure I would be feeling it by now. Though besides a few strangeness, so far no ET has come to bash my head in. I am pretty sure they would love to.

Time will tell if God has power over other foreign life forms. I think that is a no brainer, but testing is always a good idea.

I do not question God's power I simply know it is there to help and guide us when we need it most. What will you test for, and do you really expect results?

The field you are testing for is based on faith. You either know it exists or you search for it, In my opinion one of these is a futile endeavor.

montalk
09-14-2012, 04:24 AM
I have a few things to confess. First, I tend to hold back on reporting odd circumstances and incidents until they become "self evident" that something abnormal is happening.

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I thought, I should mention that on the forum...but should I really?

Maybe just to check if anyone else has had coinciding weirdness, because sometimes a bigger pattern emerges when comparing notes. But sometimes all you get is more shrugs.

I guess if it's a big enough cluster, it's worth checking. If something is iffy, then better to do it via PM, in case it was a ploy to discredit through public embarrassment.

During that week I had nothing in terms of weirdness -- and was too busy/preoccupied to notice even if there was -- but then it didn't concern me really. I can't even guess what that cloud with the light trail was, but I'll keep that filed away for when I come across anything relevant.

montalk
09-14-2012, 08:23 AM
@Fore -- what's the likelihood that your posting activity on OMF and TOF was not only anticipated by (someone in) your group, but intended and encouraged by them since the beginning? Because despite the warnings and censoring, you've still published a lot of information. Just wondering who, why, and what's in it for them if that's the case.

Fore
09-14-2012, 07:50 PM
@Fore -- what's the likelihood that your posting activity on OMF and TOF was not only anticipated by (someone in) your group, but intended and encouraged by them since the beginning? Answer: (Very) High likelihood.

I would say it was anticipated: (Very) High [The Advisor]
Intended: High [The Advisor?]
Encouraged: (Very) Low [Only a very small number of ET encouraged my behavior, They always remained in the background and seem to prefer to remain unkown/anonymous. I know even less about them than the Supervisors.]

That is why I like to fact check to see when (if any) BS originates.


Because despite the warnings and censoring, you've still published a lot of information. Just wondering who, why, and what's in it for them if that's the case.

I recall, there was one time where one of the Grey males gave me a heads up that seemed out of step with their agenda. They claimed some alleged "human group" was going to attempt to destroy the data I had written and I was given a warning to back it up.

In fact, it is the only reason why I even have a back up of (most) of my thread.

They notified me [at the time before the incident] the human group would be doing it soon and I was given a time frame to finish backing up the data in my thread. I was pressed to finish the backup several times. After the time frame for backing up the data expired, there was a data center explosion in "The Planet" in Houston, Texas. Where the original Proboards server 21 was stored.

I believe Proboards was one of the few clients that was allowed to replicate their servers to another location in Dallas, Texas, if I recall correctly. The original servers were left behind as they replicated them offsite. Server 21 and I think 45 were the last to be replicated elsewhere.

I watched and reported on the event because the Grey male told me about it ahead of time that something was about to happen and I wanted to see what they claimed was the cause of the incident.

The official report states there was a datacenter explosion due to an indoor transformer exploding. There were rumors that the FBI showed up and took away servers but people trying to get a look speculated it was probably either a false report or obligatory due to the incident taking out alot of websites. The Planet wouldn't say one way or the other as they rebuilt the part of the datacenter that was damaged internally.

I am just 2 hours away from Houston, Texas so it doesn't seem unusual to me that the Males would know. But I found it very strange that they would alert me to it considering how much consternation they always had with me giving away data and information.

Either they are employing reverse psychology or there is some pulling and pushing behind the scenes that I do not understand.

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I have been thinking lately that it seems like it is flowing way too easily as compared to before.

Fore
09-14-2012, 08:00 PM
I noticed I was no longer a member of OMF a few months before OMF got closed down. (Using Pre-cog at the time and reading my own status in the future)

I also noticed around the same time that the ET told me they were closing down OMF. They threatened me, and "asked" I delete my threads myself. Another said I had to step down from the "appearance of an authority". Another implied I should denounce my own story publicly. (I said [hell] no)

Side Note: One of the ET did the back end "tweaking" techniques to try to force me into believing I should delete my own threads. I got seriously pounded with TI/TM to push me to do it myself. I think everyone knows that I would never (in my right mind) delete my own threads.

The threats went back and forth between us. I said that I wouldn't delete it. They said the standard fair that they would hurt me and my family if I didn't do as they told me. (If they could, they would've?)

They harassed me about dropping my status as a Mod. I considered it but said no. They tried to imply that the staff around me were considering me an eyesore. I told them I did care but well that wouldn't change my mind in either case.

When I refused, they told me they would work over the Admins and Mods or use "other means" to get their way.

I warned the staff about it, which started a chain of events.

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End of the story is that OMF disappeared under the waves.

I don't have to think outside the box to see the word came from up on high that they didn't want that kind of stuff floating around. One of the ET said they didn't want my material laying around especially under the key words "Open" and "Minds" "ET". Etc

Some ET say they will back my activities, but they are few and far between. They rarely choose to identify themselves and rarely make an appearance.

One of them (An ET if I recall correctly?) said that they would be there to stop certain ET when I really needed it.

Fore
09-14-2012, 08:29 PM
HTML version of the same thread, this is much easier to read. I'll see about salvaging Fore's blog and the original Pontificator's experimental research thread.

https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0ghZwLH24gMR0ZJcVR1RWFEOVE
Go to File, Download. By default Google Docs will show the contents of a zip, which is not to helpful. Extract the zip, open the html file, enjoy.

Here is a quote from Pontif pointing to an original copy of my main thread on OMF.

montalk
09-15-2012, 10:20 AM
Answer: (Very) High likelihood.

I would say it was anticipated: (Very) High [The Advisor]
Intended: High [The Advisor?]
Encouraged: (Very) Low [Only a very small number of ET encouraged my behavior, They always remained in the background and seem to prefer to remain unkown/anonymous. I know even less about them than the Supervisors.]

Ok, I got that impression as well. Did you ever find out why your group disbanded a few years ago? I wonder if your writings eventually meeting some kind of quota factored into it at all.

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Btw, I read "Allies of Humanity Book 3" recently. It claims that our galactic neighborhood is pretty crowded, with many laws and treaties in place regulating affairs. Among our galactic neighbors, a majority are "Others" type worlds where it's all about economic interdependence, corporate competition between worlds, resource harvesting, and trade and security alliances.

Then there are the minority of comparatively free, independent, and self-sufficient worlds who keep away from the first types and aren't attacked by them, on the condition that these independents keep to themselves and don't interfere with the activities of the others, especially on developing worlds such as ours.

But while these independents agree officially to follow that condition, there might be unsanctioned groups among them who interfere anyway, such as helping Earth humans identify and resist the alien deception agenda -- so long as they can get away with it. And the only way is to remain anonymous and never give away what world they are really from, because if they get identified, then their home world is endangered for having broken the agreement. This could boil over into a wider scale war if it gets bad enough.

Anyway, that's one of the few explanations I've come across that could explain the extreme anonymity and psychic cloaking precautions of some ETs.

ScaRZ
09-15-2012, 03:23 PM
@Fore

Thought I would drop in and lay out some thoughts I've had for a long time.

I'm going to be honest with the way I saw things in those final last few weeks before OM was closed down.

I was reading your post above and it appeared to me back when OM was going down that these entities were using blackmail on you to help things along. OM had been in a steady decline as far as members and lurkers for a long time. Less and less people were reading your thread. Your thread is still around so if anyone has an interest, it is easy to find. You have never really stopped what you were doing at OM........."This thread I'm about to post this in is no different, only a new title."

So.........

Why is The Outpost forum agreeable with these entities and OM wasn't?

Why one over the other?

Why is it they aren't attempting to take down The Outpost?


OM was much more than your thread,just as The Outpost is much more than this thread.

Doc
09-15-2012, 03:43 PM
Good questions, ScarZ. I have asked myself some of those questions, too.

I have a question of my own. Maybe it has been answered before, multiple times. I would be interested to know from Fore and anyone else who has had long-term experiences with entities, what do you think it all means? In the framework of the great philosophical questions, what is the point? Why? Thanks.

Fore
09-15-2012, 11:33 PM
@Fore

Thought I would drop in and lay out some thoughts I've had for a long time.

I'm going to be honest with the way I saw things in those final last few weeks before OM was closed down.

I was reading your post above and it appeared to me back when OM was going down that these entities were using blackmail on you to help things along. Correct, but it wasn't as effective as they planned.


OM had been in a steady decline as far as members and lurkers for a long time. Less and less people were reading your thread. Your thread is still around so if anyone has an interest, it is easy to find. I had to abandon my thread. I was struck with artificial disinterest. Most people don't know that. Now you do.

If any member sends me a PM, you will note that most of the time it will go unanswered. This is that artificial disinterest. It is hard to function like that.

When I couldn't post in my thread, I posted elsewhere and created new ones. That was my only viable work around.


You have never really stopped what you were doing at OM........."This thread I'm about to post this in is no different, only a new title." I am still dealing with the aftermath from back then.

I didn't start this thread with the intention of continuing but it turned out that way. At least for a short while longer.

Note: For references sake, when I first read this post of yours, I came away thinking it was negative. Then I reread it again and it lacks any negative pretense that I thought was there. (TI/TM?) Just thought you and any other members might want to read things two or three times before misunderstanding the context of a post in case it happens to you too.




So.........

Why is The Outpost forum agreeable with these entities and OM wasn't?

Why one over the other?

Why is it they aren't attempting to take down The Outpost? I am "disconnected" from them these days so I don't know what they are going to do or not.

I don't think the forum name is a central issue with them. I didn't mean to imply that they like this forum any better. I only made mention of what was once said to me in light of the situation back then.

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For the record, yes, they tried to coerce me and in all sorts of ways. They applied "the crowbar" and couldn't get things done "the easy way". So they played "a role" in the events that transpired.

Of course, there is unlikely anyone whom will actually believe that side of the story when there are more "plausible" sounding motives and narratives. If more information came out it would very likely be a bit more convincing.

As long as I have known them, they are unlikely to stop simply because the containing forum is named any differently. As far as I know, they consider the information I have released a total eye sore that is bad for their business.

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The only reason why I even bother having conversations outside the scope of what normal people and others would probably find "bizarre" is simply to educate people on what I knew/know. What my former ET members know should never be said nor implied publicly.

Edit: Someone is scanning me...4:31pm

I describe scenarios and methodology that I am pretty sure most people reading here are not (yet) familiar with. Yet I have seen and been introduced/instructed on them countless times to not even be considered unusual practices.

I know I am digging my own grave by saying what should/must be said. It bothers me if I think about not saying it. Because the people (ET) whom used it didn't "invent it" just for me. They use it all day, every day, everywhere.

So here I am falling on my proverbial sword, knowing that saying it doesn't add to my accounts, but I feel a heck of alot better if I explain it so that future people whom take in this testimony seriously, are a bit wiser than if I didn't say it.

I want to walk away knowing that someone out there understands what it was like without having to experience it for themselves.

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Fore
09-15-2012, 11:47 PM
If it were up to the ET, they would prefer everyone have a good laugh and walk away none the wiser. Their coercive measures on me, despite what some believe, is to limit the believable nature of it all. For instance, they don't want me to ever read others accounts: Why?

Because my accounts would have more weight behind them if I could cite sources and instances where such events took place. Unlike others whom drop names all the time from various UFO related resources, I have incredible difficulty even flipping through the pages.

They don't want me to collect evidence and to that end use mind numbing tricks to keep me from doing it. Even going so far as affecting third parties to that end: Why?

To keep an illusion alive that they don't have anything to do with me AND that I won't seem credible. They have brought it to my attention that it bothers them that I try to act as a stabilizing force in a community. That I keep the focus on certain topics and examine them closely. They (ET group) don't need it or want it...though I want to do that.

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Ignorance serves their agenda. When they come in person, they will be smiling (assuming they even can) on the inside at how vulnerable people are.

That bothers me deeply, if I have to fall on my proverbial sword to talk about topics that I know will ultimately create incredulity in the audience and hurt me, then so be it. Let the flood of ridicule rain endlessly. I prefer going down with a warning to others and open confessions on topics they already told/warn me others won't receive well.

I prefer that, than staying complicity silent and saying nothing. I prefer a conversation where everyone snickers at the mere mention of ET being involved and letting them remember it as a conversation that was weird, but that happened. When they arrive in the flesh, hopefully, the audience will remember "the joke" and keep it in mind despite what they see and feel in their bodies.

@ ScaRz

Just like a devil can't convince a faithful man that God doesn't exist, they can't do anything about someone whom knows the truth...but more than anything has Faith that it is the truth.

If you know, but have no faith, you can be moved. If you have faith and know, you cannot be moved.

So if people assume I am off my rocker, that is good for them. As long as they remember it. When they first see the foreign flesh they will hopefully still remember what I said. Then put away that incredulity and begin to figure out what to do next. What will convince them is the ET and their behaviors. I have high hopes in that.

While the rest are stunned and confused hopefully they won't be. Hopefully they will run for the mountains.

Fore
09-16-2012, 12:03 AM
OM was much more than your thread,just as The Outpost is much more than this thread.No one questions that.

I assume others think I am being ego centric assuming it was all about me, then they would be mistaken. I can only imagine the gentle narratives being weaved behind the eyes of the people watching.

A forum seen with distinctly different (non-human) eyes gives you a different appreciation of what you are looking at. There are forums much larger than OM every was or ever would be.

The glint that catches the eye of some non-human eyes are "a problem" that starts when there is an aberration that constructs rather than destroys. When it brings to the table questions that should never be asked or discussed to a certain depth or approached in a certain way. "A problem" that seeds resolves rather than adds to confusion.

I wanted to be that problem. I started topics on OM for that reason. I assisted the conversation. I wanted to push things on the table in front of others. I wanted to cause critical thinking. I wanted to introduce people to something more...what seems to be missing. I saw like them where the deficiencies might be. If they didn't see it, I pointed it out. Rather than join in controlling or confusing, I did what they (ET) knew I might do. Which was try to prop up, build and talk. ("unnecessary" talk as they used to call it)

To turn down the noise level and encourage discussion(s). Not to discourage sensible discussion(s) and increase the noise level like they would have it be.

What do you imagine they did when they saw what I was doing? A few encouraged me. The few said I was opening "new opportunities" for their "interaction level" with people, while a few said they would back it and attempt to protect me from the others. But the huge lot of the ET around me deeply discouraged the activity. When I wouldn't listen they put the screws in and kept turning to make sure I didn't go any further.

I went further at a detriment to myself and others. When the story was all said and done, they told me they were basically pulling the plug on me. Something, I don't know what, keeps them from doing what they normally should be able to do. Something like break my arms and legs etc. Something unknown seems to keep them from harming me (but not everyone else around me). I don't know what the factor is but it doesn't protect my quality of life. That much I know.

I was told I either cooperate or they will use other means to that end. I caved in plenty of times, but when it really came down to it I stuck my ground. My biggest mistake was coming forward and warning others. It worked against me in ways I hadn't imagined.

Had I stayed silent I would have been unlikely to have been falsely pinned as "a hacker" or the culprit to OM's demise. Then again, they (ET) always have a way of doing anything they want.

The posts you saw me doing during the last days of OM were all about defending myself from false charges. Surprise surprise, the one doing them was none other than the Head Admin. It was he whom gave me an ultimatum when I wouldn't agree. So I lost my Moderatorship.

Then he seemed to behave extremely "irrationally" <cough cough> and possessed of certain "irrational convictions" against first me, then everyone else. Eventually he took my membership illicitly and banned me.

Then again, he wasn't at his strongest at the time and he had mental/emotional/sentimental motives, that could be played out like a violin, so he was the weakest person to target. Head Admin is the first point of interest, I guess. None can override his actions.

He also suffered a loss, then accidentally banned himself, etc.

A perfect execution to turbulent events I suppose.

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The story/narrative is always going to be pointing towards merely "people issues" shutting down OM. But when you consider there are a few non-human people I used to know whom don't need to "sign up" at some forum to have their say....well....you know that its my word against the people behind the curtain.

When they speak and insert their views, they use human avatars...yes, real people like you.

When you speak on a forum, you have to use an online name distinct to only you. The ET...well they don't have such a limitation or barriers. The individuals that compromise a forum have no mental or psychic firewall. They can do as they please with no one being any wiser. Admin, Mod or member, its all the same to them.

The only thing they require is the perpetuity of secrecy; of how they do/accomplish things.

Allow me the chance and oppetunity to introduce you to whats I was taught in the back room while I still have time left. Call me crazy if it makes you people feel any better. But remember it for future reference. Despite what you all might think, that unavoidable day is coming where the unseen is going to be seen and people will....like cards, fall where they may.

So do yourself a favor and remember this joke, this so-called "fraud" called Fore. Consider it later after you have found good humor in the testimony I have written.

If you want the evidence and testimony, you'll have to collect it. Not because I won't, it just that I have unseen triggers and limits that prevent me from collecting it easily on my own. I have a very hard time reading UFO books. More than just a few pages takes quite the titanic effort.

Just like some experiencers can't read this thread without painfully forcing themselves to do so against strong suggestions from whereabouts unknown. ;)

Fore
09-16-2012, 07:53 AM
Good questions, ScarZ. I have asked myself some of those questions, too.

I have a question of my own. Maybe it has been answered before, multiple times. I would be interested to know from Fore and anyone else who has had long-term experiences with entities, what do you think it all means? In the framework of the great philosophical questions, what is the point? Why? Thanks.I don't know why they want to do it. I only know that they want to do it.

I am outside the loop as to the big reasons behind what is beyond the intent.

The Advisor only ever said it was basically the way it always was. People had differing ideologies and agendas. It doesn't stop at their level just because they are "ET".

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The Advisor presented a scenario where she said they aren't actual "ET" if you look at where they come from.

There are a few points to her story that sound plausible but which I can't swallow, even if other people have heard the same. It just seems way outside the box.

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You'll understand why after you read the next few paragraphs to see why I doubt her veracity on it's entirety. Could the ET really do this? Well they certainly have the technology, I just doubt it either way.

The core points of her story are basically that she and the Grey males aren't from Present Time. They claim (and always have) they are from a future point in time. The Advisor claims that some of the ET like herself are descended from the people whom will survive the catastrophe in the near future.

She told me at various points in time since we first met that I can consider her an alien but she isn't as alien as one would imagine. She claims that the period of time where she comes from is a while after humanity moves out from the earth and meets local aliens whom occupy a territory nearby in the future.

She told me as a young child and again as I grew up that these actual aliens nearby had several wars between them and kept trying to annihilate each other. She said the references to alien worlds are none other than the future colonies that humanity establishes as they expand.

In their war with the nearby aliens trying to eliminate them (but never explains why). The nearby ET begin traversing into their history and try to change things. She claims they both did it to each other.

She further wildly claims at some points that her people appear throughout history as an occupying presence. She says the modern day events that are most important is when they had meetings with Earthly officials up to the 1920's. During one of those meetings in the 1920's she claims that one of the ET groups took it upon themselves to reveal what the future will be for humanity and provides evidence. (She doesn't explain what that is)

She claimed the period around the 1890's is the easiest to access in modern history. She further claimed that as a result the "Human groups" of that time period began to urgently prepare for what was revealed to them.

During that preparation they tried to understand a subset of Alien technology in risky experimentation. Everything from phasing technology to displacement technology (time/space/probability). She said there was a famous research scientist whom everyone in the black community knew as infamous.

Whom she claimed ran one experiment with a recording device that she said was like a VCR (magnetic tape) but bigger and industrial looking. She claimed the famous experiment was when the man began trying to see if he could decipher the ideas behind ET technology. She claims as he started the experiment a recording device appeared nearby. When the man looks it over he notices a recording of himself conducting an experiment that never actually happened because he was so surprised by it's appearance that he stops.

She said the man pioneered some of the basic understandings behind various principles in displacement technology and the issue of continuity.

Later on she said from there the Human groups began testing these concepts through applications. She said the risks they took was incredible (you should have heard her recount it). She said they also tried to manage the ideas behind dimensional displacements but failed at first.

She claimed one of the ET factions got involved and shared technology to keep the Human Groups from creating havoc. They supplied technology that prevented the risky ideas they had in mind. She said some of the managers running these projects got the word that they were to do human trials and displace people temporally.

She claimed that people were displaced in uncontrolled displacements. Many died or died shortly after.

She said people died and it took a learning curve for the Human Projects to grasp the concepts properly. She said out of this grew a Project to establish a Human population in the distant past. She claimed (interestingly) that the idea was to create a pre-cursor population which would stay out of contact with modern day humanity and evolve sufficiently to the point that they would acquire alien technology through advancement.

She said they were supposed to avoid history until the modern day project took place. She claimed it was decided that the ET should assist the project to a degree. Then she said the project managers decided the population should be displace several million years as opposed to several thousand years. She said the ideas weren't well received all around. She made many comments that the whole thing was risky and many ET not directly involved spied on the projects.

She claimed the ET groups associated with the experimentation were providing time viewing devices to allow the project members to monitor the situation remotely as it evolved. The population displaced were groomed to never deviate from the protocols they had set from the beginning. She said the protocols were somehow sacred to the population being displaced.

She said after the population was displaced in phases, they found through the use of the time viewing devices that they population lasted cohesively only a (unspecified) number of thousands of years. She said the project managers were less than pleased that the project fell apart.

She told me it was human nature to have differences and it wasn't a surprise back then.

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She said most of the accounts were that the project members tried to trace the descendants up until modern history. The human population eventually died out leaving behind a number of ~variant species~ (my condensation of her descriptions) that moved in various regions.

She said the ethos the original group lived by was turned into a generational quality among the subset species that resulted from the original population. I remember asking her if they ever had contact with the originals and she said they didn't. That's when she told me the above, that there were no originals to contact. Their generational continuity broke up.

I asked her what happened to the people she described whom descended from them. She told me several times over several years when I broached the topic that they were/are modern day isolationist whom still live with a generic understanding to avoid to human populations. She said they moved underground and did evolve technologically but did not reach the level of technology that was expected. She said they could travel between planets but didn't possess any of the higher end technologies that the "ET" groups have.

She said there were limits to how fast they could evolve because of the way their society acts and the underlying complications they face.

She also told me when asked that the ET and the populations know of each other but rarely have any direct contact with one another.

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She also mentioned that Human groups studied the events of history and some established archaeological research and (unsure) some kind of research she wasn't too vague in describing to gather clues as to how the technology was used as modern day humans evolved next to them.

She said the natives (her genetic name for them) lived in the shadow of human history. She said the project was considered a failure and the ET took the technology they loaned to mitigate the risks the project ran through.

(Pre-Project Looking Glass?)

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She said the Human beings figured out how to use phasing technology without the ET. She said that many groups eventually pulled away from the Human groups and the relationships soured. (Tons of topics in that vein)

She sometimes claimed some of the shady groups (aren't they all shady?) still kept trading technological trinkets in return for favors.

She said I could tell the difference between various origins of ET by the technology they use. She once said the natives use ceramics metals and other high temperature black looking onyx materials that they forge together. She said the people themselves are also insular in their behavior and don't socialize outside their circles. She said I would likely never meet one as they keep to themselves.

Fore
09-16-2012, 08:08 AM
Think about it this way, Project Montauk seems to stem from a bunch of men whom have been chemically treated whom barely remember anything consistent. Same story for those whom hail from the so called Philadelphia project.

I recall that even though the so called source for the Philadelphia project was said to be a spoof, he describes the general mechanics behind phasing technology remarkably well. It does not surprise me that the USAF was deeply interested in the guy for what he wrote at the time.

How did he get that information? Did some disgruntled ET leak the information to some sap?

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Project Montauk, sounds like a similar leak where they describe the study of Influence technology and high powered psychic technology. There were also bits and pieces of trying to create some crude form of artificial intelligence by bonding influence technology together.

Why would anyone know about that? Only if someone has ever been inside of a high technology ET craft would they even conceive of ~computerized~ artificial intelligence that can interface with people through influence technology.

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Chris, sounds familiar to you? I recall you did an interview on a guy whom was abducted at a specific age and then went on in the military on missions for which he has almost not recall.

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Another is project "Looking Glass". where they try to gather information in rather unconventional means.

Fore
09-16-2012, 09:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIg1Vh7uPyw

Fore
09-16-2012, 09:27 AM
The Higgs Boson has been found:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMvT2sriq34

montalk
09-16-2012, 09:49 AM
The idea was something like an ingenious implementation of Quantum Entanglement ("Spooky action at a distance") as a transmissive medium. By placing an array of ordered molecules into a room they could mimic the same functionality as a modern camera. It is like ET spy gear at imperceptible scales.

The idea is very complicated (bet I would win a Nobel prize if I could share it with some physicists on the concept alone).

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It is like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6263551.stm <--Single Pixel Camera

Combined with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement

I can't (yet) find anything quite like the technology the ET described in the Human realm of science. But it basically made mention that you can make an array of these two things to make a camera without the body or the lenses. In fact, the ET said they couldn't be seen or perceived.

Here's a scientific paper on something crudely along those lines: Optimal Imaging by Means of Two-Photon Entanglement (November, 1995) [PDF] (http://www.inoa.it/home/azavatta/References/PRA52pR3429.pdf). If they can do that, then more sophisticated uses of entanglement should be possible.

Fore
09-16-2012, 10:15 AM
Here's a scientific paper on something crudely along those lines: Optimal Imaging by Means of Two-Photon Entanglement (November, 1995) [PDF] (http://www.inoa.it/home/azavatta/References/PRA52pR3429.pdf). If they can do that, then more sophisticated uses of entanglement should be possible.I am reading it right now.

I just wonder how much of human achievement is actually our own?

Fore
09-16-2012, 12:34 PM
I recommend this thread:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?869-Kathleen-Marden-Experiencers-speak-on-the-alien-agenda

Worth watching the video and presentation. (IMO)

Chris
09-16-2012, 06:44 PM
Fore,

I interviewed Bill Watson about one year ago. He had been abducted as a child and then again while he was in the military in relation to missions he was ordered to participate in.

Here is the link to the video of the interview on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqU-yAXy5_M&feature=g-user-u

Fore
09-16-2012, 09:46 PM
Question: Any chance that by lowering your abilities, you might "dim down" (fall or off ) their radar?

Thanks for the great post.Not likely in several senses of the word.

My EFM (External [Psychic] Field) remains charged like a capacitor.
All I have been able to achieve so far is lowering or preventing the perpetual recharge that internal parts (IFM) of my psychic field produce.

Constraining the internal process of the recharging cycle also lowers my ability to use my IFM control structures. My EFM structures can still respond to my thoughts and commands. Though it is much heavier in capacity and using it triggers the recharge cycle.

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I know I am not very good at explanations, but the point is that I still have an abundant psychic presence that can be sensed. The only thing I have achieved is suppressing the flow rate of influence and thereby paralyzing the internal half of my controls. I still have to perpetually keep my external controls (and exterior field) in a perpetual standby state to keep it from doing anything.

If I use my EFM, it automatically triggers my IFM and the internal control structures become active. When that happens the whole internal system begins feeding influence to the rest of it. Though the internal components are sluggish in their response. It normally takes time to ramp it all of it up to its normal level.

It's complicated.

Fore
09-16-2012, 10:03 PM
Yup, acting on such cues doesn't compare to real precog, but it shows that lesser forms of feedback and future-shifting are possible. My cues were prophetic dreams, omens, ear ringings, ear clicking, and deja vu. A shoddy set of indirect tools to make up for my lack of precognitive perception.

--- There are tons of tools that ET use for shifting probabilities and shaping events that would no doubt leave some members stone cold if they were ever introduced to knowledge of it.

If the ET ever held a workshop on how the do things I am pretty sure even the most educated and hardened researcher would walk away pale and unable to speak for a few hours. Am I exaggerating? I suppose I will have to wait for the audience to see for themselves.

I imagine the big surprise will come hardest when experiencers realize that some of it has been applied on them in the past. Or possibly when members of the community begin to realize (and start to fathom) that the ET don't need screen names to manage the situation. They don't even need to be physically present.

CasperParks
09-16-2012, 10:22 PM
Fore,

I interviewed Bill Watson about one year ago. He had been abducted as a child and then again while he was in the military in relation to missions he was ordered to participate in.

Here is the link to the video of the interview on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqU-yAXy5_M&feature=g-user-u

Chris,

Got started on watching it, neighbors won't leave me alone. Everyone wants a ride somewhere... Got it bookmarked to watch later tonight.

Fore
09-16-2012, 10:24 PM
So according to the "3D paradigm," the future is never supposed to influence the past. As in, the future is completely determined by the past. But since the past is singular and well-defined, so is the future that follows from it. Therefore any system that moves forward solely on past momentum, that has zero feedback from the future, will follow a very tight, predictable, and singular trajectory into the future. Its future ought to be both easy to calculate (because it follows from prior conditions) and easy to view with precog abilities (because it is so well-defined, narrowly focused, collimated). In an ideal situation, yes, but in reality....even human beings have marginal latent abilities like pre-cognitive experiences.

So the ideal is never reached.

I always hear though the community the ET pedaling the idea of "Ascension". But they rarely (if ever) come clean on what exactly that is and what the issues are. Heck, they don't even tell people what they should even know. The physical consequences of such features in a human being are problematic.


I agree that without some kind of intelligent feedback from the future, it is impossible to strategically change it. Without that feedback, you are an inert domino being knocked into the future, knocking the next domino, ad infinitum. Feedback is a matter of degree, ranging from minor forms like subtle intuition, to major examples like full blown alien precognition. Spot on.


Minor example: Let's say you have no psychic abilities, but an alien does. Some event concerning you is coming up, which the alien sees. The alien checks in on you, perturbing your head's influence field, and you get an ear ringing. You recognize this ear ringing as possibly pertaining to an event of interest coming up. You take heed and stay alert, and due to that alertness end up causing a failure of the event to fully manifest. If the future hadn't fed back into the past via the alien and the ear ringing, you would have been none the wiser and naturally walked right into the event. That's a minor form of feedback. Same goes for precognitive dreams or even symbolic omens. Spot on.

The main issue are people or assets not being where they should be or not in the condition that they must be in.

That is why the ET like predictable outcomes and why they sometimes refer to things as a proverbial stage. Where peoples roles and position are already known. They just have to carry them out. If need be, with some tweaks.

Some ET with this capability make it evident that they have this capability with respect to the experiencers. Others do not make it obvious or hide it from the observing experiencer.


Wildmage, I like what you said about how this relates to free will. It seems that ESP and precognition are prerequisites for achieving a higher kind of awareness and free will. Some of the gnostic/hermetic material I've read complain about the predictability of humans, their machine-like asleep nature, how they are slave to time and causality. These esoteric systems aim to help a person break away from the "3D paradigm", develop the higher mind connection, and achieve a kind of victory over time itself. Like a walking abnormality, but with a benevolent purpose. I find this interesting since these secret societies claim their ancient founders were nonhuman. Not at all surprising.

We aren't the first to be introduced to the subjects.


(Btw, the only other future-shifting method I have experienced is using a sustained thought/intent/emotion to influence the outcome of situations, without doing anything additional in terms of strategic action. Like, things would have gone the usual mundane way if I had done nothing. But instead, improbabilities fulfilling the aim of my intent begin popping up all by themselves. I don't know how this works, but it seems to be another form of probability bending).You acted on information or a hint about what was coming next, you de-synchronized your decisions and motions from where they originally should have been.

You can do the same to members of the community without them knowing it. By asking a question <cough> or seeding conversations <cough> or asking them a simple question which throws them out of sync from being yet another 3D inert domino.

You might guess that this factors into why some ET do not recognize human beings as being alive or even having an on-par sentience.

Like not thinking of a bug as having feelings or legitimate experiences if its in your way. I know, I always paint things negatively...but I have seen the sentiments before. Even from some Nordics I met. (The Advisor was not particular of this mindset).

Which begs the question, why would a (non-hybrid) Nordic-type have sex with a 3D-ish human being? It is like sleeping with you dog (ewww).

pontificator
09-16-2012, 11:28 PM
You might guess that this factors into why some ET do not recognize human beings as being alive or even having an on-par sentience.Like not thinking of a bug as having feelings or legitimate experiences if its in your way.

I know, I always paint things negatively...but I have seen the sentiments before. Even from some Nordics I met. (The Advisor was not particular of this mindset).

Which begs the question, why would a (non-hybrid) Nordic-type have sex with a 3D-ish human being? It is like sleeping with you dog (ewww).

Personally I speculate that the Nordic type has to because their original past progenitor has died [unexpectedly, or through some form of "procedural assassination"], therefore the only way in which the family line can exist is to mate with that given past relative. The resulting offspring can be used to jump-start the same familial line post disaster, which would be better than nothing at all. Alternatively they are probably doing it under orders, or perhaps there is some really odd recreational program on the go.

I'll define "Procedural assassination", as it would be an interesting concept. The essential idea is not to kill the target with one's own bare hands, but instead to instigate a set of events that will result in the targets death, the outcome is the same in any-case; the latter is more deniable and apparently accidental.

I've noted that the "ordered effect" being is currently making more frequent visits, with the effect now changing to multiple bands of readouts [no, still not quite sure on what it represents, but it looks more useful in trying to get to the bottom of what is actually happening.] For some reason it has a particular interest in my back, and seems to be working on what felt like three distinct tendrils there.

BTW: Did you ever learn what the minimum requirements were for that sentience model of theirs?

Chris
09-17-2012, 01:17 AM
Chris,

Got started on watching it, neighbors won't leave me alone. Everyone wants a ride somewhere... Got it bookmarked to watch later tonight.

Very interesting man who has large gaps in his memory. He also has seen (and has tons of photos) various craft and anomolies he has seen from his house in Sedona.

We hope to do some more videos in the coming months.

CasperParks
09-17-2012, 11:03 AM
Very interesting man who has large gaps in his memory. He also has seen (and has tons of photos) various craft and anomolies he has seen from his house in Sedona.

We hope to do some more videos in the coming months.

Good camera work, he seemed very at ease. You were professional throughout the interview. Given his age, it was good that his story is recorded.

ScaRZ
09-17-2012, 03:20 PM
@Fore

I read over all your post related to my thoughts and questions,so I thank you.

I knew before I ever hit the post button that you would view what I had to say as a negative at some point. Didn't want it read as negative only wanted to be honest about what I thought.

I always wondered why you didn't reply back to several of my PM's from the past at OM......"I see now you may have answered in part." This was the biggest reason I felt a disconnect from you. Soon as we got started on a conversation you would shut it down. I always saw it as you and I standing in front of one another face to face talking one minute and the next suddenly you turn and walk away without a simple word spoken. Very hard to build much more than a now and then friendly word or two.

I notice in your reply that you seem to think I as well as others are having a big laugh over you and your material. I can't answer for others but I'm not laughing at you or your material. My only concern has and still is you. I believe you disconnect in areas you need to connect and in areas you need a disconnect you continue to go back and connect.

Fore
09-17-2012, 06:06 PM
@Fore

I read over all your post related to my thoughts and questions,so I thank you. You are very welcome.


I knew before I ever hit the post button that you would view what I had to say as a negative at some point. Didn't want it read as negative only wanted to be honest about what I thought. I had an interesting experience the first time reading it. Perhaps it is because of an apprehension and the fact that I know how you feel about it (the whole thing). (Which for the record, I agree with by the way.)

But what I found curious was that I was convinced it was a "negative" post, until I went back and read the thing word for word several times, I found I couldn't rationalize why I had originally seen it as having any negative sentiments in it.

Mind games? (TI/TM?)

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Either way, I know how you feel about it. I know you are the one who is in the right on this, regardless of how I feel about it.

I have conflicted sentiments within myself. That much I know. I know alot of it is probably weaved in confusion from formerly being so close to several of these beings. I am wrapping up this testament on what I saw and experienced so that others will avoid it.

But first there are a few more signs road signs I have to labor in to make it more substantial than a mere series of sentiment. I want people to really know why and what makes me behave this way. To see both the sentiments and what is beyond mere sentiments. The facts of what I witnessed and was instructed on, the facts are the "damning evidence" they want to avoid being seen.

I need to pound a few more warning signs and have people understand (if they are willing to listen), that if (or when) they meet some of these ET...the ET behaviors won't be as obvious on first sight. It will likely only be understood in hindsight after the fact.

Like a frog that is boiled slowly.

I want people to understand where the sentiments come from and the pragmatic and questionable sides to the whole events I was a part of. I also want to shine an ultra bright spot light that some of these issues are systemic and not seemingly isolated to some obscure corner. It might not matter if you live in India, you might witness some variation of the same protocols for handling people.

Fore
09-17-2012, 06:54 PM
I always wondered why you didn't reply back to several of my PM's from the past at OM......"I see now you may have answered in part." This was the biggest reason I felt a disconnect from you. Soon as we got started on a conversation you would shut it down. I always saw it as you and I standing in front of one another face to face talking one minute and the next suddenly you turn and walk away without a simple word spoken. Very hard to build much more than a now and then friendly word or two.

If you imagine that some hyper intelligent being takes you from your home as a small child and then instills something inside you which they can then flip your internal experience at their beck and call. You can imagine that some basic experiences will be tampered with.

Like for example, opening up a browser window to a forum and then seeing a message come in. You open it, and then it starts.

You might suddenly find it "difficult to read", though it is not the content itself that is the problem.
You might suddenly find a wave of intense disinterest come out of your mind, though it is not because the PM is dis-interesting at all.

You'd walk away from the PC despite really wanting to read it all the way through.
You might want to respond immediately and you do, but then find an unavoidable avoidance, to not open the PM box on subsequent messages.
You keep wanting to post but your impulse control wants to seemingly lead you away from it.
You have to really push yourself to get a PM done.
It is a stress laden procedure to type up the message and make sure it is viable, where you feel you are fighting an invisible artificial sentiment that is being injected into you.
Like your mind is a walking stick, you have control of the faculties, but you don't have as good a control over the sentiments surrounding those mental faculties.

To override those forms of restriction I would normally have used my psychic abilities directly on my body and mind to correct for it. An abnormal way to workaround such problems.

Though if you turn off your abilities, you don't have such overriding control anymore. So you have to struggle through it from the perspective of a regular person through regular means of persuading yourself to do something which your body or your mind won't cooperate.

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I am accustomed (like the ET) that if something isn't in the right place, you simply reach in and adjust it so that it is. (internally speaking)

I haven't the slightest clue as to how to make things work in the normal sense.

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For example,

When I was talking to people (experiencers) back before I ever joined OMF. The people whom I talked to were subjected to mind numbing influences to kill the conversation or the topic. "To assist them" to avoid the conversation they were messed with.

So I asked the people first, when I got the permission, I just readjusted their internal thought and body patterns back to the way they should be, (no "front end" words necessary by the way) and onwards went the conversation. It was an abnormal experience for them to experience that kind of directed changes. Some were freaked out, some thought I was ET in disguise, but some got used to it.

Others asked how could they be sure I wasn't doing that all the time, (paranoia) I mentioned I just returned their mental, body patterns to a previous state I had already seen when I first met them.

That when they are externally influenced the altered patterns shows up as an abnormal cycling of influence. (easy to notice)

I had no clue how to alter people externally. I just reset the patterns back to where they should be in their body or their mind (or both). I told them only the ET have the knowledge of how that intricate stuff works. They didn't teach me that part.

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When the ET messed with me by trying to put me into a sleeping state during their visits, I just induced external control over my own body to keep it artificially awake and mitigate the interference issues. In that way we always kept each other on our toes. Then I would ask the Advisor to teach me more advanced methods, which she usually did. (conflict of interest?)

Only when I gave in intentionally and allowed my body to respond to stimulation did they get their way.

These days I cannot do that anymore, but only because I don't want my abilities anymore. I keep them off perpetually. That means I am much more vulnerable to normal body chemistry, mental and emotional processes.

That is what it means to be human. Though I have no idea how to gain control over my sentiments through a natural process so I can keep it at bay. (TI/TM) (thought insemination/manipulation)

I am much closer now to everyone else now than being like the ET. Very vulnerable to tons of manipulation at various levels, day and night. The only thing I have figured out so far is that if I frame things within myself in terms of the avoidance of pain and or seeking pleasure, it seem to be a way of inducing oneself to act despite external psychic stimulation.

Though it is spotty and works terribly compared to external psychic control over your body/mind.

Fore
09-17-2012, 07:31 PM
I notice in your reply that you seem to think I as well as others are having a big laugh over you and your material. I have decided it is best to assume the worst case scenario, in most instances.

In that way, I have to pull out all the stops to show people the behind the scenes activity I knew of. I don't have the use of my abilities anymore to convince/freak people out when they tell me I am a liar. It is like dealing with people with both hands (willfully) tied behind your own back.

I can't just reach out pluck information or change their internal settings to make a point anymore like I did before.

I have walked away from the ET for a while now and I am focusing on God and getting help putting things back into their place before it all goes to hell in a hand basket. I know I have a lot to answer for. I never really did anything bad to anyone but I imagine I am not in God good graces.

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I have to be very convincing and expositional, if not for you, then for others.

I prefer to tell/expose to others what the ET instructed me on and was told the public should not know. I know that I don't have much time to continue this going forward. I have to assume that the majority of the people whom this interests would not be able to read through it.

I know from people telling me that quite a few experiencers have as hard a time reading my material as I would answering PM's in a continuous fashion.

I know that I can talk about some topics with ease, and others of a sensitive nature with incredible difficulty and resistance. I have to assume that the worst case scenarios and plan for it if they come into view.

I have to assume that staff might be manipulated in all sorts of manners. I have to be weary of what the content might be (if any) that gets pushed into not only their heads but the heads of the people reading. I don't have the luxury anymore of simply taking a peak and updating myself on the situation.

I have to think of what are the most relevant issues rather than the most sensitive issues to a normal individual looking over the ET paradigm and hocus pocus they tout. I want to give specific kinds of advice and testimony to experiencers through this dialog so that if they ever get it in their hands it will help them see things from yet another perspective.

The ET will do their part as they always have, so I just need to give the experiencers the most critical points to look out for when it is pitched to them. Some of the ET will do what they have always done and prove me right on this and many other points.

An experiencer who is already deep in the mix, is gonna want to know what they might have gotten themselves into. Whether they feel their case is benevolent or malevolent, I want to put the info into their hands so that through that info they are thinking less like an experiencer and more like an ET. If an ET uses the standard contact protocols on them, they will know what that generally means. If they are handled with generic protocols, they will also know what that implies. etc

For the researchers, I want to give them my glimpses and fill in the blanks on some topics that are either already known or are still developing into a mainstay understanding. So they have a better set of ideas as to what is real vs what is fiction. I hope my accounts further give any small time researcher more "head room" to think about how they structure themselves and how the community does its thinking as well.

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For those truly caught up in the illusion by malevolent ET, especially the pure light and love crowds....I hope someone leaks it to them. They will see enough resemblances to what is used on them all the time that unless they are truly daft; the material will be considered poisoned urine from an evil reptilian draconian overlord (or whatever fantasy they are thinking about now, lol).

Anyone from that mindset reading over the material will more than see a few resemblances. I don't mind if they ban it in their circles. The whole artificial psychic stimulation methodology should be enough to get them disturbed. A few other myth ridden points should be re-drafted like the idea that ET can only manipulate people while in the same room and line of sight.

ETC...


I can't answer for others but I'm not laughing at you or your material. My only concern has and still is you. I believe you disconnect in areas you need to connect and in areas you need a disconnect you continue to go back and connect.I am already 3/4 of the way out the door.

I see it your way, but the things I want to hit on aren't done yet.

ScaRZ
09-17-2012, 09:29 PM
@Fore

You must do what deep down you believe is best. I wish you the best and may it bear good fruit.

I just hope and pray that through your material about these entities, that they aren't viewed as anything more than who or what they are. Some people turn blackness into a desire that leads to service (worship)........"I'm sure you understand what I mean."

norenrad
09-18-2012, 01:43 AM
I read most of what Fore writes, I can't read everything because I don't always have the time. I do not laugh at any of what Fore writes, although, I sometimes wish he would put more details in his writings.

As far as worshipping his material, well... there are people that cry for dead trees; what can you do?

river
09-18-2012, 07:39 AM
I think you do well fore, I am trying to keep up, I do have some pages to go back over, there some interesting things I have missed in the last few months.
You do fill in some blanks to questions I have pondered and quiet in a manner that makes some sense. Don't let anyone discourage you, and I do believe God has a place above all of this, we are just digging out what is going on. Logic has to tell one, there is more to this than most know now. Much deception is brewing and many are hungry for it. I would be nice if people really knew all of what is in store.

pontificator
09-18-2012, 01:22 PM
It's absolutely weird, my field has begun to react to some people around me... So, as I'm walking past one individual I feel a pull and a sense of something around their head causing the classic affinity effect. What really caught me off-guard was that I had a very painful prickly surge on the left as it activated [for the record, my left side does activate, but never painfully.] This is someone I've known for more than half a decade, so for this to suddenly happen is a bit strange to me. I do note that we passed through an area during daytime that I do not normally pass through, it had an obvious influence hotspot effect going on, but I am not entirely sure what entity would operate in obvious sunlight [Given it causes a disruptive effect.]

Also, last night I was pretty restless, something kept trying to connect roughly every hour, which is again usually not a problem [Once they have had a few adventures in my dream-field, where I am running the experiments on them, they usually never come back.] So, generally, it would seem the field has obviously shifted into a different mode, and it all seems to have begun following that event at the bridge I mentioned in an earlier post.

I currently do not receive any real informational feedback beyond a specific sense of location, a vague sense of density and shape, as regards the structures around an individuals head, and it is always at the temple locations. Curiously the feedback is not transposed onto a pre-existing set of senses, and is more as though I am feeling through the structures as though they were a part of my self. It's not super disconcerting, but is a bit odd in terms of suddenly having extra appendages seemingly coming out of nowhere. I am definitely not going to manipulate those remote structures, and I'll stick to observation of the effects, and targeting glass when activated.

newyorklily
09-18-2012, 07:55 PM
@Pontif - I was wondering. I've noticed that there are a lot of quakes in your area of the world. Are your abilities/senses affected in any way before, during or after a quake? Have you ever studied this?

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pontificator
09-18-2012, 10:42 PM
@Pontif - I was wondering. I've noticed that there are a lot of quakes in your area of the world. Are your abilities/senses affected in any way before, during or after a quake? Have you ever studied this?

I've not noticed any form of earthquake detection ability, nor any precognitive abilities that give me a heads-up of anything happening in that department. Generally all my abilities appear to be current time-frame sensory orientated, but then again I suspect that I'd need to be in a place where an earthquake was about to occur to know what to look for, it is a more physically based phenomena after all and I suspect it is simply out of my current detectable spread. However, if there is a quake my end I'll be able to examine if there are any odd heebie jeebie effects beforehand and during.

WildMage
09-19-2012, 04:40 AM
@ Ponti have you ever considered they may be just as curious as you are? You are in their domain persay, so why would they not be curious of a newcomer.

Have you ever been able to interact, in the sense of sharing knowledge with any of those you share adventures with in your dream-field?

WildMage
09-19-2012, 05:16 AM
I was a victim of just such a scenario.

You might not know just how much those words hurt on this end of the screen. (Not you fault, simply remembering it all causes me some pain)

What I quoted above is a common way people are manipulated. Especially the experiencers you'll meet whom have a template installed in their head.

A sensation of unknown purpose or fulfillment that edges them on into the ETs hands.

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The good news is, that if you separate from the ET, that sensation goes away with time.

I guess it is something that needs to be reinforced at periodic intervals. Without the reinforcement I guess it stops working.

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Some ET have no sympathy nor any shred of sentimentality for what they put us through. Some do, Some don't.

Just wanted to say sorry about that, most definitely was not my intention to cause any sort of pain. Hopefully you have been able to work out most of this to give yourself solace in moments like these. I understand it can be truly hard to see it thru, but hang in there. The main part is getting to where you need to be, and you seem to have a good grasp on where you want to be when this is all said and done.

WildMage
09-19-2012, 05:48 AM
Quote Originally Posted by montalk View Post
Wildmage, I like what you said about how this relates to free will. It seems that ESP and precognition are prerequisites for achieving a higher kind of awareness and free will. Some of the gnostic/hermetic material I've read complain about the predictability of humans, their machine-like asleep nature, how they are slave to time and causality. These esoteric systems aim to help a person break away from the "3D paradigm", develop the higher mind connection, and achieve a kind of victory over time itself. Like a walking abnormality, but with a benevolent purpose. I find this interesting since these secret societies claim their ancient founders were nonhuman.

I completely missed this, interesting that it was glossed over so easily. (thanx Fore for quoting it and accentuating it)

In my travels I have seen two separate sides to this coin, and it is still hard to say if precognition provides or is a prerequisite to a higher awareness. Children are highly aware, and easily tap into alternate worlds, my take on this is they are conditioned to lose this awareness. Does this higher level of awareness give them an innate ability to develop precognition or ESP? Perhaps it is more of the awareness level being elevated which acts as the prerequisite. Shamans, Tibetan Monks and Indian Gurus all use various means to elevate their awareness to access alternate reality(s).

I have often wondered if pilots, special ops, police officers, and those trained to observe, get the experiences they do because of their trained ability to remain aware of their environment? Not only would they pick up on cues which others less aware would miss, even if only subconsciously, but their training would allow them to interpret these in a precognitive manner. This may give them access to small shifts in their environment to see behind the curtain when things align just right. in essence we are all processing subconscious information in a pre-cognitive manner to move thru this world. Laying out a path to work, or analyzing what if scenarios, for upcoming encounters or events we will be facing. Success would go to those who work thru these scenarios with a higher level of accuracy.

Of course the above is not really what would be considered true precognitive behavior in the sense of predicting or becoming aware of a future which has no foundational information for a given outcome. How would the brain link non-linear information to access completely unrelated future information? Super-consciousness, the higher self, or a ghost in the machine manipulating what is sensed and interpreted by a person; each present their own distinctive problems. Mainly it comes back to where did the previously non-existent information come from, and how was it moved into a sphere of awareness?

Does it already exist if so is it a separate changeable reality i.e. choice and free will or destiny, unchangeable, and lacking any elements of free will?

Was the thought process itself the creator of this information, and if so what triggers the transition to materialize this information into actuality?

Fore
09-20-2012, 10:27 AM
@ Pontif

I'll answer soon. At the moment I am short on free time.

Fore
09-23-2012, 11:44 AM
@ Pontif

Sorry for the long wait, (and any further waits in the near future), I have to dedicate my time to different interests and it is an ongoing affair.

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To answer some of your queries:

A) The tendrils should probably be more accurately called filaments. They are tiny and very hard to perceive with ESP. These filaments interface directly with the structures various structuresinside of your head.

(within the skull and embedded deep in the brain tissue itself)

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There are two basic points to touch on. I'll try my best to sum up what little I know in the simplest terms.

You can think of the filaments as "the last mile" of psychic wiring that connects to the activity in the tissue within your skull. As well as the deeper psychic structures (interconnect centers) embedded deeper in the tissues of the brain.

This "last mile" of metaphysical "filament" wiring is mostly (as far as I know) vertical. It (as far as I know) is very delicate but also very hard to perceive (at least for me anyway).

Super IMPORTANT POINT --->These "filaments" basically form a very tiny zone of transactions just above the surface of the skull. (Again they are mostly vertical in orientation)

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There are two (or more) major reasons why you should know this (Yellow Flag Event).

1) One of the major reasons is because "you should know" that this is one of the few regions of your psychic field that you (as a human being) will not be able to change in any significant way.

2) It is also a vulnerability I have seen that ETs commonly have in terms of masking/hiding their field from detection. (more on that in a separate post)

3) It is essential to understand how ESP actually forms in a practical sense. The transactions at the filaments level are what give you your ESP. This in turn goes hand in hand with the concept of your psychic abilities "mapping to" or "through" certain neurological functions. (more on that in a separate post)

Fore
09-23-2012, 12:27 PM
2) It is also a vulnerability I have seen that ETs commonly have in terms of masking/hiding their field from detection. (more on that in a separate post)


An ET, when they are hidden inside a phasing field, the ET appears to be "physically" invisible. This is through a technological ability.

Though there is a small problem. They are still generating a huge series of disturbances with their psychic field permeating and interacting with the environment. For the most part, their psychic field is not effectively hidden simply by standing within the phasing field created by their technology.

The ET require an adjustment to their psychic field that hides their psychic emissions. Some of the Psychic capable ET emit an intense psychic output (of metaphysical/non-physical influence) on the environment around them that causes all sorts of "noticeable" problems.

To mitigate this they generally change the properties of the phasing field in such a way (as of yet undisclosed to me) to reduce their [noticeable] psychic footprint. (Though sometimes they need more than just a technological fix)

Otherwise, you'd notice them even if you couldn't physically see them with your eyes.

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To resolve this significant problem, they also employ and exert control of the pattern configuration of their psychic emissions. They do this to change "the receptivity/perceptive level" of the non-physical emissions coming off their body. They change the emissions to psychic ranges that are not going to disturb/interact with human influence centers.

By shifting the influence pattern configurations beyond the common ranges that human beings can sense by default...they appear to be invisible at a (non-physical) psychic level. Human influence centers can only sense a narrow range of influence on it's default setting.

Anything beyond that narrow range is not perceived psychically by the observer. No ESP events occur, so from the human observers vantage point, nothing is standing in the room right next to them.

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I think by now you have seen the stories that abductees often know when they are about to be abducted. This is because the ET are not hiding/masking their emissions from the human observer.

It is a type of psychic stealth techniques. Not very fancy (excluding nordics!) though.

They also implement various techniques and artificial psychic fields around the periphery of the craft that they can emit (as an option) that prevents outside psychic observers from sensing what is happening on the inside of a craft.

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There is a problem though, and even Nordics suffer from this vulnerability. There is a small region just above their heads (the filaments region talked about above) that they cannot shift to different ranges very effectively. All they can do is reduce the footprint of their emissions from being detected by a human observer.

As a result, the techniques rely on the concept of minimizing the human observer from noticing.

I'd imagine, this is good enough for the average person. But for certain psychic observers the tell tale giveaway is that region of their personal field. It sticks out like a sore thumb because they can't hide it. Though most psychic with non-hypersensitivity (or through the deployment of other techniques) cannot sense the filaments that I just spoke about.

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If you are capable of large emissions as a psychic you naturally develop an EFM (=External Field Manipulation) capabilities like the ET.

When you evolve/mature to the point of having an EFM type of psychic field, you develop Extra Sensory Perception [ESP] through the use of these filaments structures. These psychic structures are neurological feedback related structures that normally follow as a result of maturing psychic development. (or should I say "should"?)

They allow an individuals higher (non-visible psychic) functions to inject new information collected via their higher half, directly into a neurological system. When it happens, it is called "ESP".

Fore
09-23-2012, 01:07 PM
If you are capable of large emissions as a psychic you naturally develop an EFM (=External Field Manipulation) capabilities like the ET.

When you evolve/mature to the point of having an EFM type of psychic field, you develop Extra Sensory Perception [ESP] through the use of these filaments structures. These psychic structures are neurological feedback related structures that normally follow as a result of maturing psychic development. (or should I say "should"?)

They allow an individuals higher (non-visible psychic) functions to inject new information collected via their higher half, directly into a neurological system. When it happens, it is called "ESP".

Why do these filament exist in the first place?

They exist in all people naturally, even in their relatively marginal psychic structures. These filaments allow coherent (well more in theory than practice) messaging between the Higher functions of a person and their actual physical body. (Lower Functions)

This natural system, I was instructed on, is what normally allows any ordinary individual to coordinate their Higher self "urges" to manifest and drive activity through their physical half.

In other words, it is a communication system between the higher self and the lower self. In a natural (non-psychic person) the urges they have to move or do anything with their body, is largely dictated by what happens at an invisible level the individual isn't particularly aware of. Once the basic urge is pass from the higher self into the realm of the lower self, the basic message is encapsulated within lower urges.

The two systems (though in concert with one another...yet separated) drive an individual to do....whatever it is an individual wants to do.

[Surprisingly, an ET just connected to me and told me to stop right there....pretending I didn't hear] Nothing particularly sensitive anyway...? <shrug>

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What the difference in the messages between a psychic and non-psychic?

Well, typically a non-psychic will experience only short non-unobtrusive messages through these structures. The ET said it was usually just raw higher urges that are later converted and "colored/filled in" within the context of a human body and consciousness.

So for example, you might be drawn to someone due to urges that first appear at a higher level of yourself than your body. When it trickles its way down into your body level awareness you will be drawn to be close to someone though you won't know why. As this evolves in your lower consciousness, your lower consciousness will fill in the gaps with values that don't exist at a higher level of your consciousness.

You'll find the person your drawn to is cute (through lower consciousness evaluations) or is a great person to talk to etc. Though whole reason you paid attention to a particular person though is because the higher half signaled your lower half to pay attention. Your lower half then created reasons for what the urge means to it. (filled in/colored in)

Some people also call this messaging type a form of "intuition". Just keep in mind your higher mind does not evaluate the situation anywhere near the same way that your lower mind does.

Your lower mind is designed around the design concepts of the body (and time etc).
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In a psychic, the filament structures "system" works in a multitude of ways beyond simple messaging.

It can be adapted to create ESP events wherein a person perceive information through their higher half that the body itself is incapable of sensing directly.

The filaments and various other subsequent supporting designs can be adapted to introduce non-linear information from future reference points in time that your higher self is aware of through it's capabilities.

It can also allow for maturing psychic to control their psychic feature indirectly.

It can also be used to enhance someones knowledge of whom they really are beyond the human version of themselves.

It can be used to operate on a different level than normal perceptual awareness allows. People can begin to use ESP functionally as opposed to as a gimmick. They can see through walls, read minds, see the future, etc.

They can make decisions that normally would not have been allowed by mere blind or low level signaling.

etc.

pontificator
09-23-2012, 11:49 PM
This natural system, I was instructed on, is what normally allows any ordinary individual to coordinate their Higher self "urges" to manifest and drive activity through their physical half.

In other words, it is a communication system between the higher self and the lower self. In a natural (non-psychic person) the urges they have to move or do anything with their body, is largely dictated by what happens at an invisible level the individual isn't particularly aware of. Once the basic urge is pass from the higher self into the realm of the lower self, the basic message is encapsulated within lower urges.

The two systems (though in concert with one another...yet separated) drive an individual to do....whatever it is an individual wants to do.


I can see there being some rather profound philosophical questions on the nature of existence and consciousness stemming from this.



[Surprisingly, an ET just connected to me and told me to stop right there....pretending I didn't hear] Nothing particularly sensitive anyway...? <shrug>


Looking at this current conversation I'd say it is not so much that the material is not particularly sensitive, but that the way in which it is written gives a better insight into how certain things work. For a non-psychic I suspect it'd be quite possible that they could pickup on various subtle ques using this information as a guide, and that would naturally be a threat to the "Big agenda".

Looking further, I suspect this means that one can signal the higher mind in another individual to start communicating directly with ones own higher mind via a heads-up "hello" type call. That would possibly mean the individual wouldn't even need to be psychic at a lower level, and that arrangements could then be made.

Oh, now I think about it, I accidentally did this on Friday Morning last week... Hmmm, I'll need to keep an eye on that [really keep an eye on it, could be a potential problem.] Exactly matches "You'll find the person your drawn to is cute (through lower consciousness evaluations) or is a great person to talk to etc. Though whole reason you paid attention to a particular person though is because the higher half signaled your lower half to pay attention. Your lower half then created reasons for what the urge means to it. (filled in/colored in)" Was waiting at the bus stop due to a delay on the main journey, noticed a quite attractive lady, felt an odd bodily pulse [about chest height] which went in her direction, and then within 3 minutes she was asking about the next bus, and we got into a good conversation about her work etc.

Neuru
09-24-2012, 12:23 AM
This natural system, I was instructed on, is what normally allows any ordinary individual to coordinate their Higher self "urges" to manifest and drive activity through their physical half.
Not sure if this is relevant but were you ever taught what kinds of urges the higher self can have? Also, is there such a thing as an incompetent higher self? If yes, can I, the lower self do anything to remedy this situation? Something tells me these two are most likely quite stupid and off-the-mark questions, also I'm not sneakily alluding to anything about anyone before anyone here would think that (the incompetent higher self case could apply to me at most but of course it's not a wise idea to put the blame for one's own shortcomings on something higher than said person anyway so I won't do that), just curious.


Looking further, I suspect this means that one can signal the higher mind in another individual to start communicating directly with ones own higher mind via a heads-up "hello" type call. That would possibly mean the individual wouldn't even need to be psychic at a lower level, and that arrangements could then be made.
A very interesting special case of this would be when neither are "really" psychics... person 1 is a non-psychic while person 2 has potential (a higher than normal activation level and a weak [but still stronger than average] connection with the higher mind) and person 2 "magically" draws person 1 to him/herself for their (person 2's) own personal gain, all without person 2 (in their lower mind) actually realizing that they did this.... all they notice is their immediate reality bending to their wishes much, much more often than chance can allow, everything easily falls into place. Suppose that person 2 has this condition throughout their entire life. What does this entail on a spiritual level, what consequences does this have (supposing it's actually a real phenomenon)?

Fore
09-24-2012, 01:11 AM
Not sure if this is relevant but were you ever taught what kinds of urges the higher self can have? Usually it was discussed that it was mostly a "directive affair", rather than guided by something that can be easily quantified as an emotion or something found in the lower mind/body.

In otherwords, the higher half "starts it all", while the lower half "figures it out" beyond the initial impulse. Rendering the initial impulse in terms of a lower mind/body desire. The lower mind fills in the gaps in all ways after evaluating the initial impulse.



A very interesting special case of this would be when neither are psychics... person 1 is a non-psychic while person 2 has potential (a higher than normal activation level and sporadic communication with the higher mind) and person 2 "magically" draws person 1 to him/herself for their (person 2's) own personal gain, all without person 2 (in their lower mind) actually realizing that they did this.... all they notice is their immediate reality bending to their wishes much more often than chance can allow. Suppose that person 2 has this condition throughout their life. I have seen this in real life. So I know it exist in a few cases.

Some unique people, while being relatively marginally psychic, emit subtle messages that consistently affect other people around them.

I recall a good friend online was always emitting a message in her higher self that made people want to propose to her. I brought up the issue to her after a while of noticing it affecting me. (much to her surprise)

She showed me various evidences that people got infatuated with her without a real reason and seemingly (illogically) proposed to her. After chatting for a few years I saw it happen in front of me when people would go out of their way to ask her that. It was funny more than anything.

She had told me she always wondered why that happened when I brought it up.

That is just one situation I have written about previously over the years.




What does this entail on a spiritual level, what consequences does this have (supposing it's actually a real phenomenon)?It interferes with peoples ability to reason properly. It throws them off center.

It is also heavily looked down upon by the Higher Order Entities. It is one of those things you don't try to do to someone else.

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You can message someone elses higher mind like Pontif proposed. The only problem is that each subsequent interaction causes the person psychic structures to activate as their interconnect is prodded repeatedly.

It takes a moderate level of skill to message someone without activating their psychic structures significantly.

I was worried for a while at OMF that I was affecting people whom I was interacting with. There were a series of incidents where people would bring up topics and ideas that had nothing to do with the electronic activity of the forum....but that I happened to be thinking about just recently.

When I noticed the level of coincidences increasing I turned down my fields and readjusted them to make sure that it didn't continue.

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Someone like an ET can do that pretty often without easily being noticed. Hell they have some "mental surgeons" among them whom can turn someone around without much effort. I should know, I used to work with them and saw it happen all of the time.

Sometimes there are obvious side effects that linger from messaging techniques and full blown TI/TM. Even some normal forum members notice the side effects but barely mention it.

I recall several times the ET gave me shortcuts (information) on how to handle a situation and asking them for their input a long time ago. If they really want to, they can and do play both sides of the screen to get what they want.

When you expose them for the practices, they just bank on (or seed) the idea that the claim is not trustworthy or dubious (or something to that effect).

In either case, there are tons of ways they can remotely control a situation and never break a sweat. If I could use my abilities I would be willing to show you how deep the hole goes and how the execution works in practice.

Keep in mind some ET think of people as simply minds at a certain coordinates from themselves. Some of the ET have no issue with playing on human intellect, emotions, sentiments etc.

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I recall years ago, I spoke to them about a man called "Ron Pandolfi" and his comment forwarded to me through Dan Smith about me not knowing anything. Something about me not having any "intel" to speak of. The couple of ET I mentioned it to at first said they would investigate because of whom the person supposedly was. Another got back to me on the issue and said that they would take care of the issue and two others mentioned that he would be losing his position in a year or so, so it didn't matter to them in general. They were dismissive about it as a non-event.

I mentioned most of what I was told in one of Dan Smith threads at the time.

About a year later he apparently did lose (or retire was it?) his position. I don't recall the situation as Dan mentioned it a while later.

My question is how do they know someone is going to lose their job or retire from it? Where do they look up that information?

Neuru
09-24-2012, 11:30 PM
She showed me various evidences that people got infatuated with her without a real reason and seemingly (illogically) proposed to her. After chatting for a few years I saw it happen in front of me when people would go out of their way to ask her that. It was funny more than anything.
Any idea on what made her higher mind act like that?


It is also heavily looked down upon by the Higher Order Entities. It is one of those things you don't try to do to someone else.
Does this also apply when an individual (on a lower mind level) never realizes in their entire life (well, most of it) that s/he actually psychically manipulates others (with his/her higher mind) to bend to his/her will, s/he just accepts this as some bizarre quirk? (Maybe chalk it up to charisma, haha.) Could there be some spiritual lesson behind this? I have absolutely no idea if this is something common but might have known someone with a similar condition personally. Not like you can measure this sort of thing with physical instruments though - thus, it's speculation, don't read too much into it.


My question is how do they know someone is going to lose their job or retire from it? Where do they look up that information?
Could be related to the method ETs employ to ruin people who are dangerous to their agenda financially, so it's not like they only know when said person will be sacked/retired (which might not be that hard anyway, if you can see multiple potential futures), they (a) lure the person to that timeline via TI/TM nudges, (b) actually make their employer fire said person through TI/TM. I guess.

Fore
09-27-2012, 08:48 AM
Any idea on what made her higher mind act like that? I few ideas but nothing conclusive. It appears to be something related to slightly active psychic abilities and unconscious projections.

I haven't figured out the ultimate "how or why" they can do it.



Does this also apply when an individual (on a lower mind level) never realizes in their entire life (well, most of it) that s/he actually psychically manipulates others (with his/her higher mind) to bend to his/her will, s/he just accepts this as some bizarre quirk? (Maybe chalk it up to charisma, haha.) Could there be some spiritual lesson behind this? I have absolutely no idea if this is something common but might have known someone with a similar condition personally. Not like you can measure this sort of thing with physical instruments though - thus, it's speculation, don't read too much into it. If you attempt to circumvent someones freewill, abuse them, or do other forms of serious psychic manipulation, then the Higher Order Entities usually show up (in my case at least) and give me a warning to cut it out. They usually don't give repeated warnings. They let you know what that offense is and if you repeat it they have said they will

But then again, I'm not a despot. I knew one man whom (in person) who was [a despot] pathological liar in every possible sense of the term. He somehow had the ability to project a low powered influence change....some kind of projection...that made you feel a sense that he was telling the truth even when it was obvious he wasn't.

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Reference Back Story: My family moved in with a neighbor a number of years ago when we first came into Texas. Her name is CC. She helped us settle in and eventually we moved out because I had a bad reaction to her motives (in general). I only lasted 90 days under her roof. It was a purely platonic relationship in case you are wondering about that. She was a family friend whom assisted our departure from Florida. She was in her 40's at the time.

She was among one of the few I have ever told my whole story to [in person]. She seemed skeptical of it all and my family was surprised when I openly gave her that information. So I demonstrated various talents for her. At first CC thought it was mysterious, and she introduced me to her personal library in her room. She apparently collected tons of books on various oddities. Her personal slant was more mystic than science.

She showed me various books and magazines and asked me if I knew anything about this or that. I didn't recognize most of it since it was mostly in Spanish. I did recognize some of her articles that she pulled from one of the shelves of ET encounters. I recognized the various renderings. So I gave her plenty of information about myself and whom taught me that information.

With demonstrations in hand and openly in use, she wanted to understand how she could acquire the same talents. I tried to explain a few basic points but she seemed to not have a deep grasp of the models I tried to portray. She only understood I could do it and do it exceedingly well.

She witnessed my Pre-cognitive abilities in open use and I would talk to her about events 45 days in advance. I offered her demonstrations in openly mind reading her and asking her at all hours of the day why she was thinking about X, Y and Z. (not a good idea!) She saw me utilize remote presence awareness and medium range mind reading on various people around me. Both passive and active forms. All of that and a multiplexing of several abilities in unison over a few weeks time. The ET (I thought) were not there watching over me and I thought I was free to do as I please.

She witnessed my abilities to such a degree that she eventually asked me to read others around her and tell her what they were thinking. I complied and confided in giving her that information like as if she were another family member. The Higher Order Entities visited and told me I should not be giving this woman access to my abilities. They would tell me that she was nothing less than a very crude person. They warned me about her and told me that I should not be giving her access to such information.

I kept that to myself and she was none the wiser.

The Higher Order Entities told me what she did when she wasn't next to me. They gave me numerous warnings about her character and behaviors saying they had known and watched over her a long time. Eventually they asked me to pass along a warning which I eventually did. They told me when I knew of her real character, I should withhold information from her.

Eventually they told me to give her a warning of what they would make her suffer through for many kinds of transgressions she performed all of the time. (something which I did not know at the time)

Fore
09-27-2012, 08:51 AM
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Eventually I caught on that the situations they depicted were all true. I asked her directly if what I heard was true. Most of it she didn't deny but she wasn't going to admit to some of it.

She asked me, where had I obtained that information? I told her and she stated they were liars. (Not the case)

She kept befriending me and asked me to give her more and more information on what people were thinking about her or about specific situations. She took me in her car to meet a few famous people as well as "friends" she had known for a while. Through reading their minds, I obtained the information she asked for with specifics. Though I also noticed she had a long wrap sheet from reading those minds. She wasn't thought of very fondly even if they treated her nicely at face value.

She used the information I gave to her to further her position in groups of people and to trounce relationship she had an interest in. I saw and did not like her behaviors.

Eventually the ET members found out after a short while. When the Grey Males came for a visit, everyone in the family had their ears ringing simultaneously. They somehow knew that I had opened up and were none too happy.

The woman, CC, wanted to know how she could obtain the same kinds of abilities. I told her the technical explanations but she couldn't understand even when I tried to simplify it. (a language barrier) I kept reading her mind 24x7 to create a custom profile of her thought patterns and observe her constantly.

Every time, I employed non-standard collection techniques, (psychic), she would use it to hang things over others head and create troublesome situations for those she targeted. Often for very petty reasons. Eventually I couldn't stand it anymore and so I asked her why she did this and that to other people with the information I gave her. She pretended to not know what I was talking about. When she eventually did admit it she was always trying to make things sound more good than they were.

So I started bothering her by telling her what she was thinking about when she thought of something negative. I would ask her about her plans openly and asked her to explain it to me with her voice. She looked like a fox that had her tail constantly pulled on. She eventually grew paranoid thinking she couldn't hide anything in her head from me. She complained of headaches and had them more frequently. (Because of the perpetual scanning techniques)

I would openly tell her where she would be (Pre-Cog) and what she was doing tomorrow, the next week, or at the end of the month. She would ask me why she would be doing that in particular I said I didn't know why. I would tell her while we (family, herself and I) were at the park that she seemed to have left the doors unlocked or left the stove turned on. That I was being warned that the house might catch fire if we didn't hurry back. etc (all true)

This kept up until she felt she couldn't get what she wanted because I knew [mostly] everything she was up to before even she did. She became paranoid. I stopped cooperating with "her plans" to further herself in her community for many reasons. The ET were upset because I violated a very basic rule of not telling anyone anything. They made sure to make it clear that I had messed up big time.

CC became paranoid because she assumed I was scheming against her. (which I was) She would leave the house and leave her phone unhooked to listen in on the conversations. Someone (non-living) tipped me off and I hung up the phone LOL. I got wise to her games pretty quick. Anyway, it was an uncomfortable ordeal. We made plans to leave and things got tense because she seemed to resent the fact that I couldn't just click my heels three times and give her the same abilities.

She was cut off from the flow of information and she couldn't do anything about it. She had to come back home though to someone whom could see through her all the time.

She started lashing out at my family because I wouldn't cooperate and made them uncomfortable. Thing went bad in a hurry when I lashed out at her for all her short coming at the very end. But before that, she would do all sorts of unnecessary things.

One day, she asked me to look at her family photos on the wall and tell her about her family living in California. I told her I don't read photos as the targeting doesn't work that way. I need the signature of the human being. So I compromised with her and told her I could read the patterns off of her if I did a complex series of tricks. So I did that and I started to describe them. At first she was surprised, tried to buddy buddy up because of it, then I told her all the bad parts too.

She didn't like that, claimed it was false, (it was disturbingly all too true as I later found out).

She found out I could read the family members she pointed to by using her personal field as a database of signature patterns she still had in her. (Remote targeting by lines of associations and a few other tricks) All she had to do was think of them repeatedly. She didn't like the bad parts. Said I concentrated too much on the negative aspects of her children. I did so because that part of their stories was alot more interesting about what it said about her.

She eventually got depressed and admitted it was all true, cried some about it all. I decided it was a sensitive subject to be going over with a fine tooth comb. Eventually she had me update her on her children at a remote distance. Though she also became accusatory at one point because I had access to that information seemingly very easily.

She asked me near the end in a very accusatory way that if I knew that one of her sons had broken a leg and I hadn't told her. I told her I only scanned them at the points in time when she told me too. I explained to her that even if I had the wealth of information accessible to me it didn't mean I read or knew it all. She asked me to read them in the future, so I half heartedly did....she didn't like it.

She seemed (my opinion only) to assume that by reading their future I was somehow setting it in stone. She seemed to imagine that if I said something bad then it was because I made it so. So I tried to be nice and just let her know when her children were about to call or simply things like that. When they thought about her etc.

Eventually she turned totally conspiratorial and kept having private conversations with them. I don't think her children understood the situation she was in. Eventually when the whole thing finished she was a paranoid wreck. Assuming way too many [bad] things.

She went around the whole block (literally) telling everyone about me and my story. Of course, they thought she was stark raving mad. I either ignored it (with great concern) or simply looked upon the claim incredulously as if a crazy person made it up.

One day,

Things got really bad and crazy at the same time, CC started throwing up intensely and asked me to see if I could do anything to stop it. I was about to reach out and touch her stomach to force her anatomy pattern to change when an Higher Order called out from above to stop. I stood there bewildered and wondered what was up when I noticed that this Higher Order had been inflicting CC with intense vomiting. (never seen that before)

I looked at the technique and analyzed it as she was on the bed clearly out of it. A strange perfect shaft of influence was causing her distress. It was a narrow shaft, perfect formed influence with such precise control that it was really something to watch. I almost decided to ignore the command to stop when it again told me not to heal CC. It told me if I interfered I would be afflicted as well.

It told me she was about to do something very bad in a few hours and for that reason she would suffer as it had been directed by some higher authority. So I did nothing and watched her vomit.

It told me what had happened only a few minutes earlier when she was at some store. The Higher Order Entity above said that this woman (CC) had schemes of doing something that would put another person at an extreme disadvantage [possibly deadly] later tonight. It told me she would be pulling away a resource that will endanger the life of someone whom will need it later in the night.

(I didn't know what it was referring to exactly. It said it was punishing her and told me what it had done. It told me I am not to interfere.

Fore
09-27-2012, 08:51 AM
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Family and I offered her water and they told me to "fix it" but I held my position and said I couldn't do anything about it. I explained about the Higher Order entity said. CC confirmed the situation in the room and I hadn't a clue what it was about. She said that she was browsing in some clothing store when her head started to spin and she began vomiting because of intense nausea. She drove home and she went to the bathroom where she couldn't keep the contents of her stomach in and she hurled it all out.

As she told the story some non-living entity told me that I should not feel sorry for her. That she was a very evil person and I didn't know the real her.

(Turned out to be very true)

That night she saw that one of her power grabs in her local community was losing steam. She didn't want someone to go out with one of my family members as it would detract from her power plays. (did I mentioned she was very petty?) She was probably jealous at not being the center of attention....apparently.

So she faked an illness, we called 9/11 while her brother was there, he seemed more dismissive than anything else as if she had done this before many times??

He sat down on the couch and started watching TV while the others around me were worried. I touched her head assuming it was something to do with what the Higher Order Entity said. I checked her body patterns by putting my hands under her head and accessed her field. Her bodies readings were all normal and nothing was wrong. I asked her to describe any symptoms and she was very vague in every way.

When the paramedics and ambulance came in they spent about 40 minutes checking her out and they too could not find anything wrong with her. When they asked her if she still wanted to be transported to the hospital she replied "no". It was when her brother pulled me and a family member to the side and explained that "she was putting on a show". That nothing was wrong with her. She was just making a distraction to be the center of attention and to keep my family member from going out. The brother wife said the same. (she had apparently done this before)

I began to understand what I was told. The Higher Order Entity (Angel) was apparently inflicting "a curse" of some kind on her for occupying an ambulance on a pretty whim.
I assume that meant that ambulance needed to be somewhere else, and wasn't on that night. So who knows what the consequences were.
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So anyway, we moved out, then moved again to our current residence. (same block)

She went on a rampage in telling anyone who would listen about her claims in regards to myself. ;)

People thought she had honestly lost the plot. Her brother was seriously concerned and wouldn't talk about it other than to say she was nuts in a very serious way contemplating what "happened" to her.

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Eventually my family met a nearby neighbor called JC. This man was a pathological liar. She noticed the visit and apparently followed him home and told the pathological liar all about me. The pathological liar had a rare gift, he seemed to beam out those unconscious influence patterns that made people intrinsically believe his BS. JC, what a liar and fraudster of epic proportions. Could have come from the same tree as CC for all I know.

Eventually CC tells JC the crazy claims. Then JC visits my family one day and greets me in the most unusual and overly exaggerated way. He holds my hands firmly and won't let me go, then embraces me and holds on to my hand, I notice then that he has rampant exaggerated patterns crisscrossing across his field near the filament sections of his head. (emergent thought patterns at abnormal intensities)

(Which is what people intrinsically do when they (badly and ineffectively) try to emit some psychic influence or Telepathy.

I was surprised that he knew I am psychic, and I pretend that I don't notice his attempts to gauge whether I can read his mind. Every day after that he acts differently and much more superstitious.

Eventually when one of my family members loses money to one of his scams she says "I leave it in Gods' hands." It is not a curse or anything. It is a way of admitting there won't be any recompense and therefore let God "figure it out".

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Which usually results in a supremely intense series of downgrading of someones personal, financial, etc well being.

In JC's case he was no exception. Even Demons couldn't plow that guy anywhere near that hard. (The Higher Order people are sometimes very scary in that regard...I have an innate sense to never cross them the wrong way....!)

That guy was ruined in so many ways that I couldn't consider it anything but supernatural activity. He actually came to us (like everyone does) to ask if we had cursed him to please lift it off. We always point out that if someone is cursing anyone it ain't us. That when we give up and know it won't be fixed we leave it in Gods hands and we just give up.

That guy lost everything and then some. His life he told us was a living hell. You could see it on his face he looked decimated and as if he had aged quite a bit. (he eventually recovered after a few years. Still hasn't changed though)

I think (more like assume) that his ability to Conn people was born out of his ability to project this specific sensation. He was seemingly consciously aware of it but I don't think he could consciously control it.

He eventually helped me out in a surgery I needed (by doing a Conn job <shakes head> ) and that is when I joined up at OMF during my recovery. But honestly I think he only did it because he honestly thought we were cursing him. One of my family members visited him after all was said and done. He begged them strangely in his home that he was sorry for what had happened. His house was covered with candles and incense (??). He asked for forgiveness and had apparently became very superstitious buting tons of candles of saints and stuff....?

The family member told him that if he was cursed, it was by God and none else.

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I recall another guy my brother worked for stiffed him on all the payments and horded all the payments for himself. That guy was the same story. Except that guy lost so much that he looked like he was the living dead walking. He was maybe 130 pounds when we knew him. After (apparently) God really did care of it the guy was a walking skeleton and looked like he was going to die standing up. He looked like a patient of polio. He also had a pained expression on his face that I was told was like someone who had it with living life. The best way they described it was that it seemed as if though he were in intense emotional or physical pain while walking. She felt deeply sorry for how far he had fallen.

(Never let it be said, that God has no apparent wrath. That Angels and God are someone to fear. Don't ever do anything which crosses them the wrong way.)

Personally, we are very careful of leaving things in "Gods hands" because apparently He does not spare "the rod" as it were. He goes over the top. Then again, we don't have a clue why He does things the way He does. All I do know is it is a very fearful situation to be on the wrong end of that.

If you ever read the Bible, then compare the Higher Orders to that, you get a sense that the Higher Order Entities are to be treated with considerable respect. They represent Gods' hand, whom can make or break every situation you can think of. I am careful of how I talk about them or to them because they are extremely pure and liable to strike out if you do cross them the wrong way. I prefer never to be on the wrong side of that. I just intrinsically understand to be fearful and mindful with respect to them when they show up.

tl2
09-30-2012, 07:48 PM
"It's thought that this is the first time this particular comet has ever passed through the inner solar system -- meaning it's never been blasted by the sun before.
Its brightness magnitude is expected to be -16. In comparison, the sun has a magnitude of -26, and Comet Hale-Bopp was magnitude -1. Brighter than the moon, half as bright as the sun.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2012/09/120927-new-comet-2012-s1-ison-science-space-moon/

I wonder if this why you cant see past the radiation mentioned earlier in the thread?


As the comet comes within about 1.2 million miles (2 million kilometers) of the sun, the star's intense heat and gravity could cause the ice and rubble to break apart, scotching the sky show

I wonder if this debris may effect the earth?

pontificator
10-02-2012, 12:26 PM
@Fore, well I had a pretty interesting incident around 3am this morning [I've not been getting that great a sleep the past few days], had a very very strange dream. One of those where I am aware it is dream-space, but that something is not quite right. Now it was either something attempting to cause me trouble, or I've gained a remarkable ability that I've never read about, that being able to psychically connect with the spirit/s of the meal I'd eaten that night...

Anyway, lets cut to the chase, the dream was truly horrific, I mean out there horrific, the sort of thing that would make people scream and wake in terror. However, I'm made of pretty robust stuff so I found it quite interesting and proceeded to try and work out what was going on. In the dream I am flat on my back in bed, I notice something has buried itself in the covers, and reach out to lift up what is a grey coloured arm [complete with a sheen of slime]. The brings forth from the covers a somewhat worse for wear grey head with about half of the body still present, but the head melts into a somewhat animal-like skull complete with red eyes.

Personally I find this quite awesome, and proceed to stroke the head of the poor creature, even if it is a bit slimy and gory. After a few seconds it seems to give off an appreciative purr/gurgle of sorts, and then I notice it's body seems to be merging into the covers at what would normally be a somewhat impossible point [like my intestines]. I notice that my inner chest wall is spread out before me [well this is the only moment I am actually somewhat stunned, but I brush it aside.] The skull-like creature smears it's head along what appears to be a brown fluid/slime emitting from the inner wall [possibly absorbing it, I'm not sure.] A few moments later I am standing, and the creature has wings along with a great number of it's fellows that are swarming in the sky [they are furry and brownish], I have the thought that I cannot feed them all without being killed and that they would continue to feed on everyone else [suggestion of some form of impending doom facing humanity, but that maybe it can be slowed by the right people.]


Anyway, it's been an age since I had such a surreal dream which could be classified as a nightmare, but I don't scare easily these days. I've found it quite inspirational, so I'll probably feature it in a book some time.

On the Psi front, pressure is pretty constant, zones around city appear to be normal at the moment, but I am noticing a LOT more monitoring and activity in general.

Fore
10-04-2012, 08:40 AM
@ Pontif

First lets me say that was one disturbing dream/nightmare! I marveled at your dispassionate response in such a circumstance and keeping your mental cool when realizing it was all in a dreamscape.

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A number of nights ago I had a strange dream myself. I was walking down a corridor that represented myself. (somehow?)

As I am walking down the white hall and turning corners I am encountering obstacles to going further and deeper into the ultimate point I want to arrive at. Along the way, I became aware that I was asleep and in a dreamscape like you. Upon realizing it, I navigate the halls with ease and few problems. At one point the corridor turns a different shade (dirty and more brown looking than white if I recall correctly) and I approach a person whom looks back at me. I feel a strange sensation within the dream that there is a second presence interfering in my control over the dream space.

I felt (for some odd reason) that I was traveling down an inside representation of myself. The further I went the closer I got to some core "something".

Anyway, the presence was pervasive and "felt" before I actually saw him. I started to wonder if someone was interfacing with my field in actual reality or if this was some kind of avatar that represents some kind of interference that is inside of me.

I walk up to the "man" and he seems strangely lucid for "it" being a fragment of myself. It starts to order around obstacles to harm me and other "NPC's" in the dreamscape which I recognize as being native to the dreamscape. When one of the NPCs is harmed I talk to the "man" directly to ask it from across the hall why it is interfering with my progress. Even though it looks like "a man" it feels like it isn't part of the dream itself but like something that is as aware of this dream as I am.

I can't figure it out, so I attend to the injured NPC on the floor and I decide that reasoning with it wasn't a viable solution. I noticed that it seems to be exerting control over the other NPC's in the dreamscape as if it were myself. Its pervasive presence feels out of place not like "an element" in a dream. So I send a silent cognitive command to my Higher Self to "become active" to my control. I tell the man at the other end of the corridor to stop the attacks that I will go to the end whether it allows me or not.

I took control of the dream scape through abnormal means and push the NPCs under it's apparent control out of the way. Then as I am looking down at the injured NPC I tell my Higher self to "isolate/Lock out" any directives being sent by this unknown figure who seems to be just as aware as I am. The "man" losses control of the abnormal NPCs for about a minute and starts to use his voice to exert some kind of control over them.

I start to wonder if this "man" represents some kind of contamination in my actual body that belongs to some foreign entity in real life. Either way the guy bothers me so I look up at him and tell my Higher Self to disrupt his ability to issue commands to the other NPCs in the dream. The dream ~reverberates~ (sort of) with the specified changes as I am lucid and watching the "man". I noticed the man seems to be losing his dream space cohesion as his avatar seems to get "darker" somehow.

The "mans" spoken English, starts to sounds like audioable distortions that doesn't follow his lips. The man tries a few more times to speak and looks back at me with surprising awareness of being unable to speak and then looks directly at me when I state that I have interrupted any signals he might be sending through my internal experience/world. I tell him his control has been interrupted and I will be moving on. I leave the NPC on the floor. He looks at me with something like anger or frustration and then I feel an odd level of feedback interfering in the dream. The guy is still somehow permeating the dream scape.

I walk down the corridor past him and ask the "Man" why he continues to interfere in my progress. The NPC's that were under his control start to wander aimlessly in the hallway and I feel an odd sensation of feedback coming from my Higher Self. It signals to me that something abnormal is interfering in the progress of the dream. I get feedback that I am going to awake if the number of changes continues to climb.

I consider that warning from my higher self and wonder if I should make the properties of myself in the dream a non-solid presence so they can't interfere or if I should instead walk through one of the walls perpendicular to the hallway where the NPCs cannot go. The NPCs that were traveling aimlessly without a purpose are passed by and then I turn the corner and see an increasingly darker hallway that is dimly lit and the NPC's up ahead seem to be deforming in their characteristics. They no longer look like people but like 2 or 3 foot tall deformities resembling small people whom increase in number as I pass them. I try not to artificially control the dream because my Higher Self is telling me the number of changes is accumulating to the point where my normal sleep pattern is going to be interrupted.

So I try navigating around them and one of the ones on the left I push away but it is surprisingly strong and it latches unto me and tries to bite me. (A freaky feeling)

At that point I tell my Higher Self to bring me into a waking state and a few seconds pass in the dream and everything goes dark. Then, I wake up in bed and look around to see if I find a hint of any interference patterns in the ambient air. I don't sense anything abnormal and I assume that maybe there is still some foreign influence in my body that is causing the issue.

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Side note: A "reverberation" is due to a !significant change! in the dream scape. It is just experienced as the entire dream scenario locking up for a few moments and skipping for a few seconds before becoming rather fluid again after the changes take form. Usually this is accompanied by physical and non-physical sensations at various higher levels of invisible features exerting and inducing your brain to do abnormal gymnastics that normally should not happen through normal means.

(Hint: People like me and the ET control our body and cognitive features from the outside (through psychic inducement). As apposed to normal people whose body generally controls their cognitive states.)

As a result, if the change is significant enough, your brain has a strong tendency to switch from a sleeping cycle back to a waking cycle if its process is interfered with enough. It is stuff that I picked up from the Advisor and other forced Entity encounters over several years.

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Fore
10-04-2012, 09:39 AM
Another dream I had (again) was around the start of March of this Year.

It was a repeat dream from my extreme youth.

In my dream it starts of with a strong "knowing" sense that someone is coming for me. I am standing in a strange house I have never lived in. In the dream I go through very strange thoughts that I recall I only had when I was very young. (less than 5)

The thinking in the dream was from the perspective of my younger self of that time. During the dream I became aware I was dreaming because it was nostalgic and also "scary". In the dream I am certain that "they" (no name) the "people" are coming to get me. That they will want me to "go with them" again.

I have subsequent thoughts that are something like an extremely young version of understanding that they are coming to "pick me up" again. I noticed it was strange in the dream that I didn't think in terms of an abduction or kidnapping. It is way strange to see such young versions of my thoughts passing through my head again after so many years.

I start to turn around and run down the hallway to what is supposed to be my room in the dream (though I don't recognize it), and as I do, I see the strangest face coming out of the bathroom to my right (a small Grey).

Edit: I am watching this entire replay with my present mind, but allowing myself to experience my child like thoughts embedded in the traumatic dream to bleed through so I can examine them. What comes out of it was surprising and disturbing in what I knew for being so young.

It is looking out at the hallway and not directly at me. It's head is taller than mine. I don't know why, but in my little child like mind I know instinctively not to look at it's face directly(!?). When I get to the other side of the hallway, I looked at it with disgust and fear. It seemingly wasn't a monster to me. It was a "person?" that was coming to take me with "them" (more than was referenced in the dream, though not seen).

I looked at the side of its face and I kept looking at it from behind a small crack I left in the door. I saw a Grey face that I didn't recognize. Is face had large eyes and a strange skin. I looked at it's neck and it was so incredibly thin! I kept wondering (along my adult self) how such a tiny neck could hold it's head up.

It tilted it's gaze side ways towards me and I (with immense fear) looked down at the floor. I was avoiding looking directly at it's eyes. That strange idea from the 4 year old me? That was truly out of place. I was (in my 4 year old mentality) replaying back my intense fear. I push the door closed and held it tight. I seemed to be so afraid of it (even though nothing was particular frighting) that I was worried about holding the door closed. It was an indoor knob as I held it closed.

The knob was held in place with my small hands. The door knob was taller than my head. (in my adult mind as I observed my younger dream recording)

I thought in my little child mind what I should do because I wasn't sure if I would be able to hold the door closed it it tried to come through. I looked down at the floor at my legs and I noticed I didn't have any hair. I saw the legs I had at that young age and wow that brought back memories. I had fear running through my child mind. I had no way to get to my parents and I (for some strange reason) didn't want to be close to the door if it started to come through.

I stepped back in a panic mode that was pervasive in my thinking. I looked back and I seemed to be in a room and I couldn't find any way out in my child like mind. I was in a panic.

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The dream then repeated from the start all over again, with me running right passed the same face again and again about 7 or 8 times in a repeat sequence.

Each time I saw more details of it. It's skin and face was different than the Grey I saw in person. The small Grey in the dream was maybe 4 feet tall. Thought from my child like mind it looked taller than it actually was. (based on the knob estimate of height)

The skin was (I am fuzzy because I didn't write it down when the dream happened) like a frogs. The skin was a greenish tone with the edges of it being Grayish. Like as if the light in the dream made it lightly translucent near the edges giving it various tones. The skin was strangely like the under belly texture of a frog. (of what many abductees mentioned)

The hand had 4 or 3 fingers. They seemed abnormally long as I observed the repeating sequence.

Its motions were abnormal sometimes mechanical. (For example it looked at the opposite wall even though I ran by it instead of at me. Yet at the same time when I ran by it and glanced at it's face I felt a consciousness looking back at me. Like as if I could feel it was alive.

The neck of it was so incredibly thin that I cannot imagine (with my adult mind) how it could have vertebrae and an esophagus in that tiny thing. It seemed to defy gravity by pivoting on that thin neck. (I am not sure how it could even turn it's neck!)

The whole head itself was like a triangle shape . The nose was barely there. I don't recall seeing any mouth. I didn't hear any sounds coming from it during the repeating sequence. There was one repeat where it stepped beyond the bathroom and I noticed its arms were abnormally long when it stood in the hallway.

I also noticed that during this entire sequence, my younger child like mind at no time thought of any "Advisor" at all. I felt mental references to about 5 "people" but none of them were about the Advisor.

I used to have this traumatic dream all the time when I was small. Don't know why it is full of fear because the dream itself contains nothing scary. Though when I woke up I felt fear even though I don't see why.

Its as if the dream itself has a permanent recording of feelings and images that seemed to have stuck with me.

The truly amazing part to me is what the dream captures vs what it didn't. If the Advisor was there even before my contact at age 5 you'd think there would have been references to her. It is also amazing how such an old dream can bring back memories of what life was like at that age. Just seeing my tiny hands and legs reminded me of alot of older memories.

I recalled with vivid details the difficulty I had with door knobs in opening them with two hands above my head. Some memories of being with my family and playing with my dads hands by comparing mine with his.

I recall some slight thoughts on how the world seemed so big compared to myself. (Yet my hands seemed normal sized from my perspective. I recall how strong I thought I was vs how weak I actually was at that age. I recall one (very early) memory of having trouble making it over steps from a yard. (probably 2 or younger)

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Edit: One very important point is how a childs mind works differently than an adult mind. The reasoning is different if not very strange.

pontificator
10-11-2012, 11:27 AM
*mutters darkly about lost text and expired tokens* I understand that perspective about the mind of the child, it's something I have been able to do for a long time; taking a memory and rerunning the thought processes that I had at that particular time. It gives a distinct advantage that none of the other adults around me seem to have, so I can understand a child's sense of humour even when in actually the child is being cruel and callous. There are some limits to it though, and I cannot replay prior to 5 years of age properly, it's far too incomplete.

In other news whatever that complex pattern being is, it is visiting far more frequently at the moment, plus I am under almost continuous surveillance in terms of monitoring. As a result I'm coming across a lot quirks as the field develops, but I am getting distinctly cautious about that complex one, as it seems to be trying to overlay and synch it's field with mine at the moment. Certainly it is doing a lot of dream invasion stuff at the moment, and there is nothing like waking up at 2am in the morning with the heart pounding hard and sweat going from forehead to the inner ankles [just straight down the centre, nowhere else.] That happened this morning, woke up feeling as though I'd drunk too much, and that I'd had some bolts bored into the sides of the temples, then taken out again. It does not frighten me, and certainly has no real power in the dream-scape, but what I don't get is why it is always shoving overgrown fern forests into my vision all the time [ In pure darkness the "static" that normally fills a persons vision is instead replaced with a very complex mosaic representing a given scene, with careful synch-work it can be interpreted in full colour, but it's not quite there yet. It is very odd when you are fully awake and staring into the darkness.] I did try to get a visual on it, and actually got something for a very brief moment, looked like a blonde bearded guy wearing sunglasses with a black trench-coat, but nothing beyond that.

Now that surveillance really ramped up when I started dating recently, so I'm pretty sure that is the point of interest. There are some serious increases in pressure when I'm about to make a decision that will affect the day etc it has never been that blatantly obvious before, along the lines of making sure that I am at a particular place on time etc.

A99
10-12-2012, 02:42 PM
Fore, how can you be so sure that you are an alien grey? I mean, is this what Advisor told you?

pontificator
10-13-2012, 10:38 AM
Fore, how can you be so sure that you are an alien grey? I mean, is this what Advisor told you?
?!?!? A99 you might want to reread his message, he never states that he is a grey. He speaks of seeing a grey when he was a child, and of his perspective on this occurrence when he was a child. Beware skim reading ;-)

Fore
10-14-2012, 04:15 AM
?!?!? A99 you might want to reread his message, he never states that he is a grey. He speaks of seeing a grey when he was a child, and of his perspective on this occurrence when he was a child. Beware skim reading ;-)Specifically, of a very old dream that kept me up at night
(for quite some months) when I was very small child.

Like a rerun episode, it plays back every few years. In these reruns you can experience slices of the past when that dream was created or formed, like recorded memories, as long as you don't interrupt its natural progression. I have also found that old memories are embedded with the rerun dream. Old recollections that come on strong in the dreams of what it was like back in my youth. As well as young versions of my thoughts and the emotions imprinted into the dream.

I don't believe the dream is taken as literal. I just wonder how a 5 years and younger version of me knows what a Grey looked like.

During the dream different older memories surged up from real events, like vague and random remembrances of situations that I don't recall clearly from my actual youth. What I found most interesting was the lack of references to the Advisor during my extreme youth. There were references to (ET) strangers but none (that I could recall) of the Advisor).

I also noticed there was a "feeling" of having agreed to some circumstance with those strangers but I can't seem to recall as to what. I also felt for a brief moment at the time just after the dream that I "talked" with someone who had a mans voice ringing in my head.

There were no references to an understanding of "ET" in my dream or any of the resurgent thoughts and memories of events in real life. Back then I recalled they were seen as "people" as seen from my vantage point. It felt like people I wanted to avoid. "People" who had control and conversations with me or over me. People whom came every other night.

I recall fragments of my actual room and feeling a different kind of fear than that of the dark or imaginary fear. I don't recall of what. I recalled moments of waking up sweating and being bothered by the constant interruptions. Don't know of what though.

Fore
10-14-2012, 10:29 AM
Fore, how can you be so sure that you are an alien grey? I mean, is this what Advisor told you?
@ A99
As Pontiff mentioned, I have no idea what you are talking about or referring to. Read the above posts again and hopefully you'll realize what the posts were about as they were written.

aquila
10-17-2012, 12:56 AM
I just read the flash July 5 2012 article about trantaloids and such. Article refers to Epsilon Eridani as the home world of this hostile species. Actually species is not the proper word for describing an alien bioform from another stellar world. In any event, Epsilon Eridani is off the list for habitable worlds which can be populated by human being. Even so, it would have been fascinating to visit that system - the earth analog home world - for the sake of exploration alone. Unforunately, even exploratory missions may result in hostile encounters.
The Jesus Christ figure mentioned in the article was probably planted on Earth by celestial cousins of man in the hope of guiding human development. Ofcourse, that ordeal was unsuccesful given the numerous human tragedies over the ages .. the two world wars etc. By celestial cousins, what is meant are the biological entities directly related to human being; possibly the Pleiadians or Lyrans.
As a matter of record, I was against NASA's Curiosity mission to Mars because .. its just meaningless to search for martian amobea as a scientific outlay. And, I still think NASA should instruct the Juno spacecraft - related to a Jupiter mission - to return to the Earth on its rendevous with the Earth in 2013.
As to age old question: are we alone in the universe, the answer is yes. Whatever man does involving exploration of the universe would have to be a human endeavor; only those extrastellar earth-analog worlds void of any hostile life form may be explored. Such a world may be vey difficult to come by - it really seems crowded out there.
Man is alone in the universe - and, for reasons which will not be mentioned at this time, even the helping hand of the celestial cousins may not be relied upon.
A particular item of interest involes extrasolar earth-analog worlds involving binary systems in which primary and secondary are locked in synchronous orbit - similar to Pluto and its moon.
The best place to search for such worlds are solar-analog stars, like Tau Ceti.

Fore
10-17-2012, 01:26 AM
Which posts are you referring to?

You might be referencing a post by A99?

aquila
10-17-2012, 01:40 PM
serpo.org flash update

aquila
10-18-2012, 01:18 AM
I wish to report an unidentified flying object incident. About two weeks ago I was with my folks walking in the park ..

no .. its no use

no one will believe me

i did not witness an unidentified flying object incident

i'm clean

pontificator
10-19-2012, 12:05 PM
@Fore, While I think of it you did mention you'd do an expose of all the ESP related material, will you still continue on that front?

Fore
10-20-2012, 05:01 AM
@Fore, While I think of it you did mention you'd do an expose of all the ESP related material, will you still continue on that front?

Does this forum have chat software?

I have been busy going into and out of projects for the last few weeks. When I get on the computer for some free time most of it is spent researching or simply looking at some favorite youtube channels.

If you break up a complex question into simpler components it should be easier to answer them. Just dole the questions out slowly and gradually rather than one thick topic with tons of branching understandings to share at once.

Fore
10-21-2012, 01:12 PM
I saw the whole film and I must say it present it in a very logical and easy to understand format.

I saw the point where they mentioned a "War of Contracts" and the limited exchange.....as well as the burning of the Earth. Like the man at the end, it was a very sobering reality to come to grips with.

I now have a better appreciation after this documentary as to why the ET referred to it as the "Dividing line in History".

Almost no one passes through the great dividing line in history. And it becomes clear why the interruption is so great that not even one generation separated, the children after the dividing line are said to not believe their parent as to what the world was like. I still recall the words of the Advisor when she said that not even 70 years after the fact will people believe the stories of what society was like.

I found it ironic in the SciFi show called "Revolution" made a funny reference where the world collapses and only 15 years later people who are much younger do not know what Google is.

The Advisor said in "their history" (my future) the sharp decline and the continuity break is so sharp that supposedly my grandchildren (she stated) would think I was making up stories when she said I would tell them what the previous world was like. As an 8 year old I recall those were bewildering words to understand coming from someone who was so smart and always serious.

The others with her mentioned different facets of future history and stated their purpose was to secure people and situations they would need depending on how many changes they wanted to make. I recall vaguely one of the other ET discussed openly with the Advisor their plans in cryptic terms I didn't understand. When asked what the other man meant by his cryptic remarks she told me it was about a project reference they had in which she somewhat stated there were some whom wanted to switch around whom exactly survived this cataclysm they kept referring to in different ways.

Often the Grey members made references to other people around me that were pretty disturbing and impersonal. They carried themselves as if their interests in other people were tightly confined to me and numerous other (human) individuals they refereed to but I never met. I still recall one of them telling me bluntly that they were not there for anyone else and when I read their mind they had this strange set of ideas that other people were irrelevant with a strange underlying conversation that ensued that they were "already dead" at some point in the future. That other people were beyond the scope of their manipulation or interaction.

Other ET strangers whom were not Grey echoed those sentiments in this quasi strange future history/past tense display of matter of fact references which I wasn't familiar with.

I tended to ignore those consistent remarks when I encountered it and assumed they were playing mind games or I misunderstood what they really meant. But while it is an uncomfortable part of the contact experience I am beginning to think the people I knew are some kind of revisionist group. Perhaps they are trying to do some kind of (very wrong) revision in history. Changing the motions of people and places in small ways so they can get away with whatever it is they want.

I've noticed when they aren't sync'ed with me that 1 minute for them is about 1 day for me. Sometimes they made mistakes and let me know (the Advisor especially) that they and I experience two different rates of time. Once I did the mental gymnastics in my mind and I came to the conclusion that at some points the Advisor saw me growing up at a probable rate of 1 to 1440. Each minute she experienced for her was an entire day for me.

At other times her notions of time were extremely accurate down to the second. She was my practically my alarm clock and would wake me up right down to the minute and second. The only times I really got to understand what was happening the others shut her up to seemingly prevent me from gleaning too much about what they were doing.

I learned all about phasing technology from her and how it can change the rate of time when your inside of a phasing field. How they use it in so many ways to minimize all sorts of side effects in the immediate environment. She even taught me a few things of her physics about how they deal with continuity issues as a dimensional object when they enter into a series of reference frames in our reality. She and I talked about all sorts of things.

Everything from how they use translation gates to get from point A to B anywhere and anywhen. To how history went up to when she was born and a little about her mother.

There was a movie I recall often when thinking about her wild claims that reminds me of what her and the other ET allude to. The movie was called Millennium. I often wonder if they hope to do abduction of individuals simply to sample their non-existent genetics. Genetics that are supposedly non-existing when they come from. (no, not a typo)

The only thing I know is they hide their true intentions and their true purpose. Often I wonder if I am not where I am supposed to be and they are just rearranging the chairs on the proverbial titanic for their own purposes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_(film)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHeHAf6xk_o

http://www.putlocker.com/file/9136C30E6F8894DE#

Neuru
10-21-2012, 01:59 PM
@Fore, one thing I think about sometimes is: What is the predominant reason this many people (about 7 billion) had when they agreed to incarnate in this time period, shortly before the dividing line of history? Or is it similar to the case of the multitudes of people who perished, for instance, in the Black Death during the middle ages? In their case, life went on on other continents undisturbed, in our case life will go on on other inhabited planets undisturbed. The common denominator could be (I'm just speculating) that both masses of people could have incarnated to live a life in a civilization that was suitable for them to learn their spiritual lessons but somehow I don't think this is the only reason.

Also, to be more on topic and address Pontif's proposition as regards ESP material, I'd like to ask if you two have
- a diagram that includes every single influence structure that is overlaid on the human body (what they are shaped like, where they are located)
- a list of the specific functions of each structure.
I seem to recall that there were such things posted on OM but it would be greatly helpful if you could post them all in this thread, like WildMage did with his diagrams.

On a(n unrelated?) note, I had a quite intense (but brief) instance of deja vu when reading this post of yours. Including the windows I had open on my PC, the tab I switched to afterwards for a moment and the error messages I got when I misclicked in a different program over here. Well, nothing particularly phenomenal but it was interesting, wonder if this particular post of yours has a larger significance?)

Fore
10-21-2012, 02:21 PM
I saw the whole film and I must say it present it in a very logical and easy to understand format.

I saw the point where they mentioned a "War of Contracts" and the limited exchange.....as well as the burning of the Earth. Like the man at the end, it was a very sobering reality to come to grips with.

By the way, I am refering to a post made by Casper:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?922-Documentary-The-Daniel-Project

tl2
10-23-2012, 12:27 PM
By the way, I am refering to a post made by Casper:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?922-Documentary-The-Daniel-Project

for those outside america who want to watch this: http://www.thedanielprojectmovie.com/trailer.htm

Fore
10-23-2012, 05:09 PM
@Fore, one thing I think about sometimes is: What is the predominant reason this many people (about 7 billion) had when they agreed to incarnate in this time period, shortly before the dividing line of history? Or is it similar to the case of the multitudes of people who perished, for instance, in the Black Death during the middle ages? In their case, life went on on other continents undisturbed, in our case life will go on on other inhabited planets undisturbed. The common denominator could be (I'm just speculating) that both masses of people could have incarnated to live a life in a civilization that was suitable for them to learn their spiritual lessons but somehow I don't think this is the only reason. I am not sure I believe people actually choose to be born into a situation. Though, I opt to think otherwise if evidence points me that way.


Also, to be more on topic and address Pontif's proposition as regards ESP material, I'd like to ask if you two have
- a diagram that includes every single influence structure that is overlaid on the human body (what they are shaped like, where they are located)
- a list of the specific functions of each structure. I have the graphics I have made to date...somewhere. I just suffered from mulitple drive failures (consecutively) so...it might take some time to locate them.

The issue that pops up in my mind is that for the most part the various structures diagrams would be fraught with issues and various unknowns.

For example, when someone is starting out, their structures are not fully formed. Or they behave slightly differently than mine. Or as is often seen in genetics, some might be psychically augmented in different areas than me and I couldn't account for those variables in my charts.

Some people the ET said would be missing structures (since they are latent functions in human beings....not fully formed appendages). That adds another complexity...I dunno if I have the full set or if I have artificial psychic modules that wouldn't be found in natural psychics.

So there are tons of issues to be worked through.

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Another point is that different influence centers shift based on activity. There is a difference between static structures and their discharge. Which I am going to take an educated guess and say that most psychics don't recognize the difference.

So it can be done, but it will be an involved process. The important part is to make it easy on me so I can just give you what you want.



I seem to recall that there were such things posted on OM but it would be greatly helpful if you could post them all in this thread, like WildMage did with his diagrams. I'll try to find them if they are still there.


On a(n unrelated?) note, I had a quite intense (but brief) instance of deja vu when reading this post of yours. Including the windows I had open on my PC, the tab I switched to afterwards for a moment and the error messages I got when I misclicked in a different program over here. Well, nothing particularly phenomenal but it was interesting, wonder if this particular post of yours has a larger significance?)I had a ear whine late last night as I started posting again on Theoutpostforum.

I think someone does not like my narration/commentary. A new habit I have adopted recently when I see any video is to add my comments at specific points to help people gather the idea of what I see vs what they see when looking at the same video.

Also the forum konks out when I try to hit post. Last night it was konking out during my playback of a particular youtube video. I can take screen captures if people don't believe me on that though....

Neuru
10-23-2012, 06:12 PM
I am not sure I believe people actually choose to be born into a situation. Though, I opt to think otherwise if evidence points me that way.
One of your early posts at OM had this segment about a waiting room type realm, that's where this thought came from, the parts I underlined specifically:

Post by fore on Feb 6, 2007, 5:24am

<snip>

I was in a waiting room realm, and I was teaching these two very young spiritual beings. Everything was non-physical and nothing like walls or a floors could be seen. These two girl-like beings who look like meta-physical hour-glass's are speaking to me. To explain to them why (fuzzy) do the other spirits act this way or that way. I started explaining to them that they are acting that way because....ect. Then the two girls understand and they say they are going to play or something to that equivalent. No one is speaking any language in this realm it is all straight to each others thoughts. The little girl i remember which was one of two, who was like a torch hour-glass of orange and yellow light. They went "out" and I thought I was so depressed and i wanted to sit down. I started to make the action to sit (no we don't get tired there) and immediately an energetic chair came out of the "floor". And I started peering out through the energetic "walls" into the entire realm. I started to think of some trauma that occured in the past to me about 400 or 500 spirit equivalent years. (thats about a couple of months or about 3 or 5 lives back)

Then I feel one of the higher spirits come to the room and tell me that the two little ones were caught playing games on another spirit. The "invisible light" entity's are like "managers" or "case managers" or "stewards". He showed me in my minds eye the two little girls playing tricks on some older entity and running away. I told the "invisible light" with respect that I would take responsibility for thier actions and to not punish them, that if he wanted he could put the....weight or "bad karma" on me and I would live it for them.
He told me they had already been born and were going through their lives already. I thought with fondness that I hoped I would get to be born and live part of my life with them. (why? I have no Idea) I asked him what kind of lives would they live. He told me he could not share with me the personal information of another entity. (They are strict about privacy on the otherside of life.)

The invisible light case manager told me that he had already collected a couple of lives within the specification of the council's recommendation. He said he would show me the life chart so I could agree to one of the lives. I was really not caring what he was going to show me but I might as well go through the motions*. The first chart I look at is my current life. I look at what he is holding energetically (like a pad equivalent) and in my mind I see the profile of this life and I see it is a life on a planet (this was the earth, no names though) and I start sensing the time which is the 1980's and I grimace mentally because it was a very low technology planet that was primitive*. I start thinking about other worlds that were far more comfortable and better and I keep looking at the chart mentally and I see that the life is a very (excuse the term) crappy one for the first 21ish 22ish years. I see that I will meet the advisor/caretaker and I see her role. Then I start looking through the lifetime and seeing the landmarks as I age. I see at age 26 that I meet my wife and that she is angry with me for the first year and that we have three children. Then I see the contact event that is a typical event that occurs on such lowly worlds at this point in their evolution. I see that this world finds out that there are others besides them living. This happens somewhere around 26 through 28 at the most.

Then I see my 40's since nothing else is interesting. Then go through the years quickly and somewhere between (fuzzy) 50's and 78 I see the possible chance to live to the age of 400 or so. I ask the invisible light case manager about this. He states that i will be approached by a man representing a group that is doing (fuzzy) ?genetic manipulation? and that he will only come to me once and that if i decide to then i can live up to 400 and can use the life for whatever I want. I go over again, the overall life and think not a very exciting life and an ordinary with some specialness lifetime mate. (we are very heady with our real minds! Don't blame me for my thoughts!) I tell him I will take his first offer. (I honestly don't care, to spiritual beings lives are like a suit, and a cheap one at that.)

<snip>


Obviously I have several ideas about what this memory actually was and I also have some private crackpot theories on what reincarnation actually is, if it exists at all. But I don't want to derail this thread with those right now.


I have the graphics I have made to date...somewhere. I just suffered from mulitple drive failures (consecutively) so...it might take some time to locate them.
If it's of any help, here's my copy of assorted topics I saved from OM, pictures included:

http://db.tt/ZPEJnyQF or http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57087428/Open%20Minds%20Forum%20(lucianarchy.proboards.com) .7z (same link)

It also contains threads that were not captured in the archive you posted.
In most threads the pictures are actually encoded as text (see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme). To save such a picture from a thread, you have to click on it and drag it from the browser window to the desktop. You'll also have to give it a name as names are not saved.

Fore
10-24-2012, 01:16 AM
@ The top post,
Yeah, some of my views have changed over the years. I am not sure if that is an actual memory or not. Some segments can be verified while other portions are more difficult to verify.

@ The archiving

I wasn't aware the software would do that when I ran the encoding process. That is a surprise to me.

montalk
10-24-2012, 07:12 AM
Fore, is any kind of psychic activation required to work with the Holy Spirit?

How is the Holy Spirit different (in terms of working with it) than the higher mind, higher order entities, the Guardian, and other positive spiritual sources? Because from what I understand of your posts, the latter seem to require psychic activation to hear them, communicate with them, and so on.

Fore
10-24-2012, 11:14 AM
Fore, is any kind of psychic activation required to work with the Holy Spirit? Not that I can tell.

I have figured out a few things from interacting with it.

First, it seems to be a non-local presence. Meaning, it does not seem to have a defined shape, area or size. It seems to seemingly always be present nearby.

Second, if (as you pray) you think about what you want it to do exactly (within reason) it will do it more proficiently. For example, if someone has a headache, and you hold your hand on their head and pray while visualizing the area that you want alleviated, "it" seems to understand that.

The Holy Spirit has very strange characteristics and behaviors. Speaking from purely observation and not from a Biblical recognition of what it is supposed to do....it is strange. I have gotten the impression that it is some kind of proxy spiritual device or something.

It seems to have no central personality yet it is cohesive and somehow sentient. It's almost like as if it were a massive spiritual technology.

When I can sense it with my abilities it feels like a sentience but its not "in front of me" but seemingly is like a pervasive awareness that isn't a "standard entity" as you and I would conceive of it.

It seems to be a spiritual tool or supernatural sentience that relays information and modifies Terrestrial situations. It only seems to obey you if you are consistently faithful and mindful of "the rules" by which the Higher Order Entities abide by. (Which is Gods obviously)

If you ask for God to ward off some negative entity, it (the holy spirit) seems to come from various directions and interacts with the situation and then pushes away whatever entity is nearby. OR A Higher Order Entity (Angel) shows up from somewhere above the ground and chases it away OR stands nearby in the sky and emits a type of "spiritual light" that they always have around them which seems to be like repellent to the negative entity. Sometimes the Higher Order Entity appears and goes after the malevolent entity and takes it with them. Sometimes they leaves them far away (so they say) or it takes it with them to be processed...never to be seen from again.

If you ask for something simpler like ask for protection from some negative entity who showed up (and if the Holy Spirit is the only thing that intervenes) it usually comes from all directions and envelopes the area and that seems to drive the entity away. Then it usually surrounds you and you feel various emanations being pulled out like as if contamination is evaporating from your body and field. It is usually completely painless and takes a while for it to finish.

You don't have to be psychic as it seems to work on a different level than mere psychic connections. It seems to listen to the inner most parts of your insides. So it seems if you have no Faith in God it simply ignores you or nothing happens.

It seems to be more like a spiritual tool or assistant than anything else. Almost like Spiritual Artificial Intelligence...but I wouldn't go that far to describe it as such. If you read the bible with it around it "does something" where it removes the mystery from what your reading and it is like it assists in your understanding. Almost like it is filling in the blanks. Sort of.

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I have noticed the stronger ones Faith is the greater the response becomes.

If you repeatedly pray in a short period of time, and "you mean it", it coalesces around you and on an ESP level I noticed it seems like a glow occurs or accumulates. The glow is very similar to what the Higher Order Entities have around them. (Angels)

I noticed that negative entities are strangely repelled by that "spiritual light". It seems to affect them negatively and sometimes seemingly paralyzes them.

I have also seen some people whom have that glow around them. Though not all Christians do. It is not permanent but seems to be created from interacting with Higher Order Entities or the Holy Spirit.

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The mechanism that works seems to be about what a person is or what they believe. The Higher Order Entities are seemingly very narrowly focused in their beliefs. They are very dissimilar to the ET. While an ET's strength comes from their intellect, emotional separation, and largely strategy.

The Higher Order Entities seem to value internal integrity with relation to where they come from. Their integrity isn't a personal (I think) thing. It seems to be a broader "living" integrity. If you do anything which contaminates that integrity they seem to be easily offended.

Their inner world is much different than anything I have ever "seen" or "perceived". I think the Holy Spirit only obeys if it is told to OR if you actually believe in the philosophy of where they come from. I am not making it seem like a night and day difference...but it really is.

It's hard to put it into human words and concepts. Its hard to phrase it just right to convey the right set of nuances.


How is the Holy Spirit different (in terms of working with it) than the higher mind, higher order entities, the Guardian, and other positive spiritual sources? Because from what I understand of your posts, the latter seem to require psychic activation to hear them, communicate with them, and so on. more on this in a little bit.

Fore
10-24-2012, 11:38 AM
How is the Holy Spirit different (in terms of working with it) than the higher mind It feels like you are asking someone Higher than it for permission or an intervention (God). As a consequence it comes to your aid. It (the Holy Spirit) is not like your slave, but an accompaniment to help you along. Either in learning or in spotty situations when you find yourself in the midst of some negative spiritual presence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accompaniment

I have witnessed it suppress other entities. Not with much intensity either. It does not seem to take very much of it's presence to square things away. It seems to be a proxy remote controlled spiritual artifact or assistant. (Trying hard to put it into the right words)


How is the Holy Spirit different (in terms of working with it) than the higher mind,higher order entities, They are at the beck and call of God it seems. They almost always ask permission before they proceed with anything. (They usually don't act alone and someone (I can't see) seems to direct their activities.

Again, these do not appear to submit themselves to you or anything. They just take orders. If they receive orders to hurt you they won't hesitate to do so. It's not that they are evil or anything, but they obey the instructions they are seemingly given. They do appear to have sentiments of their own but I haven't seen the higher ones be swayed by them.

Their realm where they come from is a sort of rest and compensation for their work. Though you can't compare their mentality to a human beings. They are just different than a human being. If you do anything significantly against "the rules" when you are in front of them...they might do some pretty bad things to you.

From their perspective, as best as I can ascertain, they live with a nearly impeccable clarity of character. They have told me (and I have gleaned) that when they come here they have to encounter things that they can't indulge in. So it seems they feel repulsed by any deviation from their norm. They appear to be ageless as their mental landscape seems to be of something that is perpetually alive as opposed to something like an ET or a human being.

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When I read the stories of biblical accounts of the Angels....LOL...I said in myself....yeah that's them aright. Like blinding people or afflicting individuals.

Their mentality is not so much a mystery if you understand several points about them. They are very pure. They come from a reality where there is a sort of time but they seemingly live endlessly. That reality has rules for whats allowed.

When they come here, they appear to keep their contact to a minimum to keep themselves from absorbing or seeing anything that they might bring back with themselves and accidentally conduct in their native realm. Though they appear to be very strong on the inside and have told me they deal with the worst of situations imaginable. It wears on them over time so they have a repose in their reality where they shake it off. (deeply paraphrased and probably fraught with errors on my part)

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In short, imagine if you lived in a sort of paradise for a VERY long time and had to visit "here". If you can imagine it then you'd be pretty close to understanding what more or less governs their behaviors. It's a complicated topic with lots of mystery.

tl2
10-24-2012, 11:46 AM
One of your early posts at OM had this segment about a waiting room type realm, that's where this thought came from, the parts I underlined specifically:

Obviously I have several ideas about what this memory actually was and I also have some private crackpot theories on what reincarnation actually is, if it exists at all. But I don't want to derail this thread with those right now.


If it's of any help, here's my copy of assorted topics I saved from OM, pictures included:

http://db.tt/ZPEJnyQF or http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57087428/Open%20Minds%20Forum%20(lucianarchy.proboards.com) .7z (same link)

It also contains threads that were not captured in the archive you posted.
In most threads the pictures are actually encoded as text (see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_URI_scheme). To save such a picture from a thread, you have to click on it and drag it from the browser window to the desktop. You'll also have to give it a name as names are not saved.

The waiting room is a very common theme with those that have had NDE's. I have done much research into this. They are also described as viewing rooms where the subject can preview their lives before hand buy stepping in and out of key life moments.

Fore, these 3 books are an in depth view of the realm between lives.

Journey of souls (top link): http://www.google.com/search?q=journy+of+sould+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active

Destiny of Souls (4th or 5th link) http://www.google.com/search?q=journy+of+sould+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Soul-Spirituality-Twenty-First/dp/0954917634/ref=la_B000APKSI4_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1351072263&sr=1-2

I think you would really appreciate them. They are some of the best I have read with regards to understanding this subject.
Go download! :)

Neuru
10-24-2012, 12:42 PM
Just a quick note on this:

@ The archiving

I wasn't aware the software would do that when I ran the encoding process. That is a surprise to me.
No, it didn't do that, your OM archive doesn't have pictures, otherwise it would be way bigger. The encoded pictures are only present in the 7zip archive I linked above, which is around 50 MB. I saved the threads in that archive back in December when the old forum was still up. The encoding was done with a Google Chrome extension called SingleFile, available here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/singlefile/mpiodijhokgodhhofbcjdecpffjipkle#detail/singlefile/mpiodijhokgodhhofbcjdecpffjipkle

tl2
10-24-2012, 02:25 PM
The waiting room is a very common theme with those that have had NDE's. I have done much research into this. They are also described as viewing rooms where the subject can preview their lives before hand buy stepping in and out of key life moments.

Fore, these 3 books are an in depth view of the realm between lives.

Journey of souls (top link): http://www.google.com/search?q=journy+of+sould+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active

Destiny of Souls (4th or 5th link) http://www.google.com/search?q=journy+of+sould+pdf&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active

http://www.amazon.com/Big-Book-Soul-Spirituality-Twenty-First/dp/0954917634/ref=la_B000APKSI4_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1351072263&sr=1-2

I think you would really appreciate them. They are some of the best I have read with regards to understanding this subject.
Go download! :)

I agree with all of these:

10 Propositions of Rational Spirituality are:

1- the soul survives independent of the physical body

2- souls have many lives, not just one

3- our many lives are not linked by a karmic law of action and reaction

4- we reincarnate to gather experience so we can grow

5- the only judgment after death comes from ourselves

6- we are responsible for all aspects of our lives because we plan and choose them

7- we always have free will to deviate from our life plan

8- we are all One and all God

9- soul consciousness is holographic, and represents the part and the whole all at the same time

10- the aim of the Source is to experience all that is and can be

Neuru
10-26-2012, 01:01 AM
@Fore: Ok, so I'm taking into account that


the ESP info disclosure should be an involved process as you said
as you said it should be presented in a question-and-answer format and the questions should be short and to the point

I'm no moderator here nor am I anyone in a position of authority so the following is not direction but proposal and I'd like to see others' input on this foremost.


I'd like to propose the idea that from now on the bulk of discussions this thread would follow this Q&A format. While that indeed sounds egotistical on my part I most certainly don't propose it out of self-interest but out of interest for the readers. Since you and Pontif also originally intended this thread to present this exotic ESP knowledge base in a structured manner I think that would be in your interest as well. Keep in mind that I'm certainly not putting words in anyone's mouth (trolling, mind games, straw man construction as a hobby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) and disruption for the sake of disruption are certainly not my cup of tea), the preceding statement is only well-meant speculation on my part and nothing else.
I'd also like to propose the idea that you and/or Pontif periodically ask a moderator to edit the first post and keep it updated with a table of contents with each subpoint linking to the relevant posts. Again, just a well-meant proposal.

Now, if I understand it correctly, the optimal overarching narrative for this process is to start at the level where an individual has no ESP at all and progress upwards along the "activation level". That is, go from the ground up and for each level, present issues the aspiring psychic will run into. Montalk (maybe intentionally) followed this narrative when he asked about the Holy Spirit as it was revealed that communicating with this non-local being (or maybe it's demiurgic technology implemented on an unimaginably vast scale) is said to not require any ESP ability at all so it's a relevant topic to a "Level 0 Psychic" aka most humans.

Unless someone beats me to it:biggrin2:, I'd like to recap in my next post what's been covered so far along this "from the ground up" narrative, with links to each subtopic. Hope that'll be helpful~

pontificator
10-26-2012, 01:34 AM
@Fore, Okay, can you give a breakdown and general overview of what a filament [one of many structures that unfold from the head] comprises of?

Fore
10-26-2012, 04:18 AM
@Fore, Okay, can you give a breakdown and general overview of what a filament [one of many structures that unfold from the head] comprises of?

If you refer to a filament where the biological merges with the psychic components....then it is simply "made" of influence.

A sort of "encoded" influence pattern that is largely bi-directional.

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From the body --> psychic components:

You'd see a streaming set of information about your physical awareness.
An (influence encoded/patterned) version of your ongoing "Live Feed" of your living consciousness.
An eventual "cache" of your most recent thought processes pervasive throughout the top end of your field. (generally about a month generally speaking)

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From the psychic components --> spiritual components

An eventual picture perfect recording of that "Live Feed" in your permanent spiritual memory.


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From the spiritual components --> psychic components --> Body

A streaming theme of intelligently controlled intention and various manifesting triggers to seamlessly signal the human body what to do next while the lower half of the components are embedded in spacetime. This signaling "intention" or "first impulse" is what drives the mental agenda in the lower components of a persons conscious design. To a certain degree of what a person decides to do next. Though some of it is driven by biological hardware needs and feelings.

Basically the non-human [spiritual] parts of a person sets the intention of an agenda while the lower components (lower mind/lower body) resolve what that agenda means within the context of a human being.

Example:
Your physical body needs food but your higher components don't govern the ideas behind that need. The hunger itself is something that is governed at a lower level (body level). The 3 basic levels/layers of a person interact with each level until an intention is derived to go eat something. Only because the body signals it needs food do the other components get queried for a decision.

The same is true for sleep. The spiritual components doesn't sleep or tire out. But the body has constant signals running through the three levels to notify the higher components that something is necessary and it is eventually done seamlessly.

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Without the higher components you'd really only have a living biological mass with no intention.

Side note:
The ET (supposedly) can build artificial bodies and artificial psychic components that mimic the behavior of a spiritual component. An AI (Artificial Intelligence) surrounded by biological mass. The AI conducts the role of the spiritual components and guides the biological mass under it's control to do it's tasks.

Similarly, ET can compose artificial bodies with adaptive psychic components to allow the hosting of a foreign spiritual host. Transplanting the spiritual components from the original host body to the *usually hybridized* husk that awaits it.

Creating a "biological space suit" fit for any environment. (First publicly released concept was seen in the movie "Avatar".)

Fore
10-26-2012, 06:00 AM
If you refer to a filament where the biological merges with the psychic components....then it is simply "made" of influence.

A sort of "encoded" influence pattern that is largely bi-directional. I meant Bi-Directional communication.

A99
10-26-2012, 08:06 PM
As the saying goes, “We are all spirits having a human experience”.

For some, the spirit of their incarnate selves are able to do psychokinesis without assistance from other spirits be they incarnate or discarnate.

On the other hand though, they may in fact be getting help from spirits from other realms but they themselves may not be aware of that especially if they are not psychic mediums and are unable to detect spirits.

In the Phillip Experiment, you have a group of people and because we are all spirits… you also had a group of spirits in that room too.
But supposing that group never conjured up a fictitious spirit from their own imagination, and instead skipped that part and focused as a group using that groups intention on say… having the table that they are sitting in front of levitate.
Depending on the collective strength of the spirit versions of each person in the room, if that collective strength of that intention is strong enough, the table will levitate.

Parapsychologists will say that the table levitated via the collective psi-power/mind power of the group. But this is not entirely correct because what it really is is the power of our spirit versions of ourselves working on a collective level via intention that levitated that table.
But because the spirit world co-exists with our own, we will never know if other spirits who were in that room also helped to levitate that table. At least not in this case because none in that groups claimed to be psychic mediums. So none in that group were able to sense, see, hear or feel the presence of any spirits in that room whereas if they were psychic, they would know if other spirits helped out.

But in any case, this group dreamed up a fictitious spirit and called him Phillip. Then they held séances and invoked his name. Yet, even though Phillip was a non-entity and completely fictitious, they still ended up getting some amazing psychokinetic results that they attributed to the mind power of the group because after all, Phillip was not real.

So, to them, this proved that any psychokinetic results that occur at séances are not as the result of a spirit doing that… but from their own collective psi/mind power be it conscious or unconscious.
But in reality, it was not their mind power that resulted in those psi effects… it was the collective strength of their spirit power as each and every one of those participants were spirits too.

But it also should be noted that because we are surrounded by the spirit world, other spirits other than themselves were in that room too who may have helped to levitate that table. None of them were psychic enough to able to tell if other spirits who were with them were helping them with that.
So, because none of them could detect spirits, they would never know if the physical phenomena that occurred at those séances was from their own spiritual power alone working on a collective level as a group or if it was just a spirit from the non-physical realm who was posing as Phillip who was also working with the spiritual energy from the group to cause those types of physical phenomena that occurred during their séances. All spirits from the non-physical realms are able to read our minds and answer questions posed to them correctly because of this.
But the bottom line is, our bodies are nothing more than containers for our spiritual body. Our higher mind is the etheric mind of our spirit self --- we are all spirits…. and are not just physical beings. Such things as psychokinesis does not come from our physical “minds“… it comes from our spirit self.

Most of those who are psychic mediums are able to get information from those realms outside our physical either directly via our etheric self or indirectly via information from a spirit whose main locale is in the non-physical realms. Most psychic mediums get information from both. Others, like Edgar Cayce, usually got his information from this own higher self… his own spirit self. The medium John Edward on the other hand gets his information directly from those spirits he contacts or who contact him. But sometimes he gets precognitive information directly and not from any particular spirit. Both had/have a very high level of accuracy. Some work also with a guardian in addition to direct spirit contact. Some martial arts traditions invoke various spirits to effect various results… The fact is, everybody is different and as one mentor told me, “if it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”…. if it’s working for you then that’s all that matters. Whatever method you are using and you are getting successful results with it, then you are doing it the way you were meant to be doing it. If you are not getting any results at all… that’s when you need to find another way to do it.

What I find odd is for someone who has reams and reams pages of ongoing communication from a transdimenstional being who then has the nerve to criticize anyone’s precognitive information as “less” or inferior” in some way because they got it from another interdimensional being of another sort and not from what he defines as ones “higher mind”.
Somehow he thinks he’s exempt from that criticism even though he’s getting information from the same “place”… the non-physical realm and from a similar source, a non-physical being.
All beings from those other realms be they ETs, UTs or human discarnates each have their own form of technology on their end when communicating to us and in their materializations at various densities.
At any rate, such double-standards on that issue has not gone unnoticed.... sheesh!

All forms of psi are from spirits be they from our own spirit self or from other spirits with us or both.

montalk
10-26-2012, 08:52 PM
I have the graphics I have made to date...somewhere. I just suffered from mulitple drive failures (consecutively) so...it might take some time to locate them.

The issue that pops up in my mind is that for the most part the various structures diagrams would be fraught with issues and various unknowns.

For example, when someone is starting out, their structures are not fully formed. Or they behave slightly differently than mine. Or as is often seen in genetics, some might be psychically augmented in different areas than me and I couldn't account for those variables in my charts.

Some people the ET said would be missing structures (since they are latent functions in human beings....not fully formed appendages). That adds another complexity...I dunno if I have the full set or if I have artificial psychic modules that wouldn't be found in natural psychics.

So there are tons of issues to be worked through.

I had saved these from OMF:

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects2.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects3.png

Neuru
10-26-2012, 09:02 PM
@A99, based on the context I deduced from your most recent post (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=15087&viewfull=1#post15087) (#861) something tells me you actually wanted to submit it to this thread (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?823-Quasi-Alien-Mind-Manglers). Dunno if that's the actual case though since I cannot read minds.;)

A99
10-26-2012, 09:09 PM
I'm talking about the Phillip Experiment in that post... it is meant for this thread.... You were saying that you thought Phillip was tulpa and I then typed out that post to say what Phillip was from my point of view. That post is completely relevant to this current conversation. I'm giving my POV on what I thought he was just like you were giving your POV on what Phillip might have been.:o

Neuru
10-26-2012, 09:17 PM
I'm talking about the Phillip Experiment in that post... it is meant for this thread.... You were saying that you thought Phillip was tulpa and I then typed out that post to say what Phillip was from my point of view. That post is completely relevant to this current conversation. I'm giving my POV on what I thought he was just like you were giving your POV on what Phillip might have been.:o
Err, yes but this thread here is 'What we think we know so far' while my Philip Experiment post is in 'Quasi-Alien Mind Manglers'.

That or I must be seriously missing something here.:confused:

A99
10-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Where were you talking about tulpas. I'm not seeing your comments about that now that were on the previous page here in this thread. Did you delete those comments about that concerning Tulpas and the Phillip Experiment?

I'm not seeiing your comments on that in that other thread either. Will check again though.

Oh...ok, you were talking about tulpas in that other thread so yes, my comment was meant for that one one and not this thread. My apologies about that.... am multi-tasking and should have double checked that when I posted it here to see if it was the correct thread. Will re-post my post in that thread then and will ask a mod to delete that post from this one. Sorry. Thanks for bringing that to my attention!

Neuru
10-26-2012, 09:23 PM
Where were you talking about tulpas. I'm not seeing your comments about that now that were on the previous page here in this thread. Did you delete those comments about that concerning Tulpas and the Phillip Experiment?

I'm not seeiing your comments on that in that other thread either. Will check again though.
Here's a direct link to that post: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?823-Quasi-Alien-Mind-Manglers&p=15080&viewfull=1#post15080

A99
10-26-2012, 09:25 PM
Thanks... read what I wrote in my last post that I just added.

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Mods, sorry for the inconvenience but could someone delete post #861 from this thread on this page? Also those posts that followed where Neuru informed me that I should have posted it in that other sub-forum/thread.

Thanks! :o

Neuru
10-26-2012, 09:36 PM
@Mods, please delete posts 863, 865 and 867 as well. Oh, and this one too.

montalk
10-26-2012, 09:57 PM
The Holy Spirit has very strange characteristics and behaviors. Speaking from purely observation and not from a Biblical recognition of what it is supposed to do....it is strange. I have gotten the impression that it is some kind of proxy spiritual device or something.

It seems to have no central personality yet it is cohesive and somehow sentient. It's almost like as if it were a massive spiritual technology.

Thanks for all that info. From what you described, it really lives up to its Biblical context. I'm thinking of John 15:26: "“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of Truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me." (NIV). Advocate, referring to the Holy Spirit.

I found it interesting that Christ would send something "out from the Father" rather than playing that role himself. As if delegating the task. Maybe the Holy Spirit is some kind of cosmic tulpa made of the highest divine influence, programmed to help/encourage/inform those it can reach (or those who reach for it).

The original Greek word for Advocate was Paraclete (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete), also translated as helper, comforter, counselor, and encourager. Or from Wikipedia, "one who consoles or comforts, one who encourages or uplifts; hence refreshes, and/or one who intercedes on our behalf as an advocate in court."

An intercessor on our behalf in the devil's courtroom. That's why I asked if it required any psychic activation to work with the Holy Spirit. If not, then there is no need for psychic training to get a leg up on dealing with negs and perhaps even making it through the tough times ahead, if through deep faith and spiritual integrity you can qualify for this kind help. As Neuru pointed out, help from the Holy Spirit would therefore be a more universal solution -- and one that doesn't rely on knowledge or help from ETs. Although I still think bridging the lower/higher mind gap is important too.



In short, imagine if you lived in a sort of paradise for a VERY long time and had to visit "here". If you can imagine it then you'd be pretty close to understanding what more or less governs their [angels] behaviors. It's a complicated topic with lots of mystery.

Hmm, sounds like the Kingdom of Heaven. That leads to the following line of reasoning:

If these beings are bathed in a very pure (?) and "warm" type of influence there, that says something about what constitutes the Kingdom of Heaven. And if you noticed certain people also have this kind of warmth, not to the same degree of course, then that could explain what Jesus meant by the Kingdom of Heaven being both a state of being and realm of existence. It refers both to the divine realm, and the inner state of being toward which we ought to strive.

Maybe this warmth is a key factor in getting to work with the Holy Spirit, and the faith and spiritual integrity is the means of achieving it.

And if this "warmth" is really just a pattern or quality of influence, then it all comes down to repatterning our own influence to be more in tune with that of the angels and their realm. And this can be done without needing to run psi ball exercises and such. Somehow faith, integrity, love, devotion, and other spiritual qualities might be enough. I wonder what these qualities do exactly to the interconnect system if anything, like would they re-pattern the influence flowing from the chest interconnect centers or what...

A99
10-27-2012, 12:32 AM
Great discussion on the Holy Spirit! Here's another quote from the Bible on that:

“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s spirit lives in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16).


These are the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit:

“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith
by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”
1 Corinthians 12:7-11 (http://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Corinthians%2012.7-11)

Neuru
10-28-2012, 10:57 PM
@Fore: so I take it that the only psychic components normal, non-psychic people have are


the filaments, since they are needed for higher-lower mind communication
whatever partially formed psychic structures they might have.

Is that correct?

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Also, in addition to the ongoing discussion about the Holy Spirit, I'd like to ask about something that is also relevant to "level 0 psychics" as it's needed to construct one of the two kinds of interfaces later on:


Is the interconnect system related to the human capability for imagination (mental imagery) and the dream world? If yes, how is it related to it (structures, etc.), what are the main points concerning this?
Closely related to this: Is there an influence-based method to enhance one's connection with their imagination and dreams? For instance, a modification of the tuning fork method that would applied to specific parts of the (psychic) body? In case imagination is intimately tied to the interconnect system, I thought that maybe this route could be more effective in terms of development than purely mental exercises.

tl2
10-31-2012, 03:00 PM
Saw this today and thought of this thread. It mentions microtubules where the soul is housed. Could these be connected to the filaments in some way?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html

Near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system and enters the universe, claim two quantum physics experts

A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.

According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.

Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, has advanced the quasi-religious theory.

It is based on a quantum theory of consciousness he and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose have developed which holds that the essence of our soul is contained inside structures called microtubules within brain cells.

They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

Thus it is held that our souls are more than the interaction of neurons in the brain. They are in fact constructed from the very fabric of the universe - and may have existed since the beginning of time.

The concept is similar to the Buddhist and Hindu belief that consciousness is an integral part of the universe - and indeed that it is really all there may be, a position similar to Western philosophical idealism.

With these beliefs, Dr Hameroff holds that in a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Instead it merely leaves the body and returns to the cosmos.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html#ixzz2Asvd6DVg

Fore
11-02-2012, 06:37 AM
I know it is not right of me to ask for this, but I ask that anyone who is willing to pray for my doggy pal. He is currently in a dog's equivalent to an ICU.

He has stopped eating and vomits all the time (due to an apparent kidney failure). I ask if you can spare a prayer for my four legged friend in need, then please make some well wishes at Heavens domain. Hes been with me and the family for 8 years. He is not a dog to us, but just a little guy with one unforgettable personality that he has in his eyes that is unique and all his own.

So I ask all those willing to pray for his quick recovery and quick return home.

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Also if you have any holistic tips or medical advice they are more than welcome.

God be with you for your prayers and his little [blessed] doggy soul. I hope to keep him around for a few years longer.

newyorklily
11-02-2012, 06:51 AM
I know it is not right of me to ask for this, but I ask that anyone who is willing to pray for my doggy pal. He is currently in a dog's equivalent to an ICU.

He has stopped eating and vomits all the time (due to an apparent kidney failure). I ask if you can spare a prayer for my four legged friend in need, then please make some well wishes at Heavens domain. Hes been with me and the family for 8 years. He is not a dog to us, but just a little guy with one unforgettable personality that he has in his eyes that is unique and all his own.

So I ask all those willing to pray for his quick recovery and quick return home.

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Also if you have any holistic tips or medical advice they are more than welcome.

God be with you for your prayers and his little [blessed] doggy soul. I hope to keep him around for a few years longer.

I'll be praying for him, and for you, too.

CasperParks
11-02-2012, 10:16 AM
I know it is not right of me to ask for this, but I ask that anyone who is willing to pray for my doggy pal. He is currently in a dog's equivalent to an ICU.

He has stopped eating and vomits all the time (due to an apparent kidney failure). I ask if you can spare a prayer for my four legged friend in need, then please make some well wishes at Heavens domain. Hes been with me and the family for 8 years. He is not a dog to us, but just a little guy with one unforgettable personality that he has in his eyes that is unique and all his own.

So I ask all those willing to pray for his quick recovery and quick return home.

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Also if you have any holistic tips or medical advice they are more than welcome.

God be with you for your prayers and his little [blessed] doggy soul. I hope to keep him around for a few years longer.

Will keep him prayers...

pontificator
11-02-2012, 11:08 AM
*After 4 days of a low tone in the right ear, and waking up three times a night over the same period from a dream invader Pontificator offered his prayers for Fore's poor dog* Let us know how things go :) Things have been pretty exciting since my brother came to live back home for a while.

Neuru
11-02-2012, 11:45 AM
I did too.

CasperParks
11-02-2012, 11:54 AM
I know it is not right of me to ask for this, but I ask that anyone who is willing to pray for my doggy pal. He is currently in a dog's equivalent to an ICU.

He has stopped eating and vomits all the time (due to an apparent kidney failure). I ask if you can spare a prayer for my four legged friend in need, then please make some well wishes at Heavens domain. Hes been with me and the family for 8 years. He is not a dog to us, but just a little guy with one unforgettable personality that he has in his eyes that is unique and all his own.

So I ask all those willing to pray for his quick recovery and quick return home.

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Also if you have any holistic tips or medical advice they are more than welcome.

God be with you for your prayers and his little [blessed] doggy soul. I hope to keep him around for a few years longer.

Amy Shojai is good author of pet books... She has a blog, you may be able to post a question for her.

http://www.shojai.com/

You will have to scroll through her list of books, there is one on natural healing for dogs and cats.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=amy+shojai

montalk
11-04-2012, 05:54 AM
So I ask all those willing to pray for his quick recovery and quick return home.

Sure thing, I really hope he pulls through. He's fortunate to have someone who recognizes him as a little person.

(Btw, it's been an unusually rough year for people I know and their pets; we lost our beloved cat to cancer just a few months ago, and a couple friends lost theirs too).

neverwas
11-05-2012, 09:10 PM
oh dear fore, hope the little one is alright, the only thing I can think of for a pets failing kidney's is NO tap water, use extremely filtered or distilled, if you can't get good spring water. It's the chlorine that's the worse for them.
this is where I turn for help in any ailments first
http://www.earthclinic.com/pets.html

kleemkrishnaya
11-06-2012, 05:41 AM
So sorry to hear of your furkid's illness, Fore - I don't really 'pray", but visualize an "ultra-violet white" light filling whoever it is I am trying to heal, from the feet up, then head down - will do for your dog, but I think he will accept energy more easily from you, as sometimes animals get "burned" if one forces strong energy onto them.

I am not a vet, but as far as I am informed, animal protein & sodium are the cause of many kidney problems. I recommend a vegan diet, both from an animal rights & health point of view. (My five dogs favourite treat is papaya, & also chunks of raw cabbage!)

Best wishes to you both; you are one of the sadly-too-few who understand that personhood is not dependent on species.

Fore
11-06-2012, 11:32 AM
@ All
Thanks for the well wishes. He is very loved and is currently hanging on, (don't stop praying!). I am visiting him every few hours at the doggy hospital.

On the way home tonight from the hospital though I saw an extremely intense bright flash of white/blue light. It was bright enough to be blinding. Like a very high powered strobe light only it came from somewhere in front and high above. I was with three others while in the middle of crossing the highway and we were all surprised by it.

Some activity is happening across various youtube channels I subscribed to. I saw some mention from Sheila Aliens that a brightly lit object cross the sky. (Didn't say where it was going) Some other are claiming something about a nexrad burst. (I don't know what nexrad is at the moment.)

All I do know is I saw the point source flash, but I saw nothing in front of me that indicated a source of origin. It was bright enough burst to be "felt" with your skin.

it happened at about or around 8:20pm

Fore
11-06-2012, 11:36 AM
oh dear fore, hope the little one is alright, the only thing I can think of for a pets failing kidney's is NO tap water, use extremely filtered or distilled, if you can't get good spring water. It's the chlorine that's the worse for them.
this is where I turn for help in any ailments first
http://www.earthclinic.com/pets.htmlThank you for that,

I have come to the same conclusion. We have stopped giving the pets any tap water and will be switching to purely filtered water. We saw way too many pets suffering from the same condition. Makes you wonder how safe it is to drink (even if human).

CasperParks
11-06-2012, 02:36 PM
Thank you for that,

I have come to the same conclusion. We have stopped giving the pets any tap water and will be switching to purely filtered water. We saw way too many pets suffering from the same condition. Makes you wonder how safe it is to drink (even if human).

My cat, Charlie likes bottled water over tap. He drinks more water if it comes bottled.

Neuru
11-06-2012, 04:49 PM
@Fore: Hmm, maybe I was a bit too laconic here: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=15297&viewfull=1#post15297 (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=15297&viewfull=1#post15297]). As well as having prayed for him I certainly do wish him a speedy recovery.:)

As regards the weird sightings and 'Nexrad', apparently there's a thing called 'Next-Generation Radar' and 'NEXRAD' is the abbreviation for that. I googled for "nexrad conspiracy" (http://www.google.hu/search?q=nexrad+conspiracy) and was not disappointed, apparently everything's a conspiracy these days.:rolleyes: Looks like Nexrad is accused by some to be a front for weather modification in the same vein HAARP is.

Related:


Wikipedia article on NEXRAD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEXRAD)
Interesting youtube video (complete with paranoid commenters) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7Uri6Vicxw)
Interesting page on NEXRAD (complete with late 1990s style formatting and lots of allcaps, heh) (http://www.greatdreams.com/radar.htm)
On a cursory glance, it seems to have pics of perfectly round... things caught on radar. Only thing I can speculatively link it to is this quote by you (emphasis mine):

I noticed that the "influence noise" sensed by my ESP senses picks up M and X class flares hitting the earth in my region. At other times when it was more intense and felt more localized or was accompanied by Higher Order activity, the weather radar showed round shapes of interference covering my area for several hours. Followed by intense storms.
Maybe you'd also be interested in a very strange sighting that happened during Hurricane Sandy, posted by Lycaeus in 'Earthquakes and Superstorms' (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?931-Earthquakes-and-Superstorms&p=15191&viewfull=1#post15191) and his follow-up post. Somehow I don't think the green light (not even a flash but a continuous light!) was exploding transformers or electric substations going out.

Edit: here's someone's explanation of the cause of 'radar rings' from the American Weather forum (permalink (http://www.americanwx.com/bb/index.php/topic/16897-radar-rings/#entry621552)):

Rings are due to range folding, when there is heavy precip well outside the radars range, it occasionally gets fooled into thinking a return from an old pulse was from the current pulse and misplaces the echos too close to the site.

tl2
11-08-2012, 12:55 PM
Thought this might interest you Fore and others. Its about time manipulation, coming events and radiation.
Perhaps its the cause of the radiation you mentioned around the 2014/15 time frame?
http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf

tl2
11-09-2012, 08:49 PM
Not seen too many videos about mantis alien videos:
Intersting...
Have you come across any such entities Fore?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQTqGOlcWc&feature=player_embedded

neverwas
11-10-2012, 03:22 AM
really intense expectations here, strong, does anyone else sense it ?

montalk
11-10-2012, 07:08 AM
Thought this might interest you Fore and others. Its about time manipulation, coming events and radiation.
Perhaps its the cause of the radiation you mentioned around the 2014/15 time frame?
http://www.soldierhugs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Geoengineering.pdf

Thanks, I reposted that in norenrad's 2012 Update (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?680-2012-Update/page4) thread, to continue the discussion there.

pontificator
11-12-2012, 04:07 AM
I've been rather crook for the five days or so now, a pretty severe cold with what is probably a sinus infection. Curious thing about it that there was no field strength reduction as there normally is, but it has instead increased [to the point that I can feel some structures around the right temple when they are not working quite right {I noted significant loss of output via that structure when dehydrated, was interesting to observe carefully what happened to it when I drank a glass of water}.] There was one other factor to note, and that was that I was getting a lot of probing from various lots at a distance, and the one that produces a mosaic pattern was pretty much on site doing whatever it does.

So, not wishing to miss an opportunity, I ran a little experiment to see how much it actually hears... so I started, in general, thinking of a good descriptive name for it [I'll settle for mosaic now] and came up with "shadow skulker" first of all, lets just say it was not pleased... It set off a weird tone on the left that sounded like the normal peak tone [the one that Montalk has a sample of] narrowing down in displeasure [I had the impression it essentially narrowed its eyes with displeasure.] Still not quite sure what it is, but I note it does not go away if I ask for it to be removed, so I'm tending towards a physical.

In other news a poor individual threw themselves off of one of the art department buildings at the Auckland Uni, and it's set the already charged area near the Grafton Bridge into a frenzy of activity. Been a while since anything happened near there, and I'm partially blaming my very bloody and messy cold on it.

Fore
11-12-2012, 10:14 AM
Not seen too many videos about mantis alien videos:
Intersting...
Have you come across any such entities Fore?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQTqGOlcWc&feature=player_embedded

@ 26min

I have heard of that device as described by the Grey males. Used to phase people through objects and to direct their suspended bodies out of their home. Never seen it in real life though. The one they described is similar but slightly different. There are different kinds for different purposes. (examinations vs placement etc)

The one I recall the ET referring to were the yellow light tipped rods and the interchangeable settings type. Again, I have heard them refer to it but have not yet seen it in real life (that I remember).

Hes describing one of two versions that the ET (allegedly) use to move people from an area. One version directs the geometry and phasing field characteristics on the craft. Sort of like a remote control device that sends a measuring data while the craft itself performs geometry checks (of a sort). Think of it like defining parameters for the field.

The other type is a standalone device. (He doesn't describe that type)

He is clearly describing an experience where his bodies physical mass is being phased within a phasing field. The wand/rod the alien is holding is probably the type that measures the parameters of an isolated object. That info should then be sent up to the craft and it controls the geometry and phasing characteristics of the area wide field vs the local type.

The wand (if it is the multi-purpose type) can also be used to direct the movement of a mass object like a human body through a specified region. Can also knock people out in the process. (allegedly)

It's probably why he doesn't remember the latter portion of the procedure.

P.S. He is a perfect example of how ET introduce themselves into someones life. By introducing template memories they can become part of the fabric of someones life even if it is the first time they have met.

He apparently "took" to it and on some level thinks of the Alien as a parental role. (His handler)

Fore
11-12-2012, 10:55 AM
@ 37min
Clearly the entity is in control of the experiencers mind. It is likely that most of the imagery and sensations are not real nor probably actually happening.

The entity appears to be repeatedly testing it's control over his mind and sensory perception. Who knows what he is actually physically doing or where he is standing in actual reality. It's repeated interactions follow a "database" like interaction as the entity seemingly attempts to test and retest if its psychic/mental manipulation is working effectively.

The hourglass test and the spinning vortex test are probably one in a series of tests. Probably the entity is doing "calibration tests" on the human subject to figure out how effective its mapping procedures are. Which probably also means that he has already been "treated" to other devices which manipulate his psychic field and it's interaction with the human body.

Sync of the two halves (psychic and biological organic components) are important for the ET to verify. (Then again, going by accounts, they don't seem to do a very thorough job)

Otherwise the illusions and the immersion experience are not very good and stable. This is likely one of his memories of the ET performing such tests on his mind and his internal processing capabilities.

@ 39min

The logical progression of a child who is now psychic and is emiting on (a probably) continual basis. Curious though that he describes what seems to be a form for a Demon. I have seen that form thousands of times and have described it like a misty black cloud.

Sounds like he has has an encounter with a Demon or Phantom. (dead non-living entity)

Like he described, they give off rancid influence that is sensed/seen as a black mist that discharges around them. The reason why it emits from them is because the natural influence environment is basically caustic to their natural pattern. They slowly dissolve and disparate their influence in a natural environment. It is like a miasma around them.

Now that he is psychically active, they can use him like a rechargeable station. (Bad news for him)

@ 43min

<Sigh>

Again, no surprises. With his field active, any entity can interface with his influence field and affect his mind. It doesn't matter if they are living or dead as they all use the same underlying system to interface with a persons anatomy.

The only difference is the range of techniques employed and the skill level.

@ 46min

The paranormal entity is doing a more primitive version of what they ET was doing. Namely testing their connection and slowly syncing the output and responses/responsiveness of the experiencer.

Crude method, but it will eventually work, as the longer he pays attention to the entity, the stronger the two fields merge together and the stronger the bonds become. (Also known as, "lines of association".)

The coordinated activity is just a roundabout way of the entity gaining control of the man as a youngster without him actually knowing/realizing it.

(Comment: the interviewers are clueless as to the purpose!)

@ 46:54min

Because of his mind being continually exercised in telepathic responses and exchanges. Had he been more talkative with his abductors he would have progressed far more in other ranges at a very early age.

@ 53min

Geez, thats a Demon laced message if I ever heard one. I wonder if it adapted the mans earlier memories or if the two (non-corporeal entity and the ET) are in cahoots with one another.

So far I am leaning that the guy was taken over by a malevolent entity in his presence. Clearly makes odd references to the Bible. Doesn't act like an ET at all.

Fore
11-12-2012, 11:39 AM
@ 57min

Blatant malevolent entity message. Even has really badly construed lies. Despite this, he still swallows it full. <shrug>

@58min

You can see what happens when someones field is tapped by a malevolent entity. They can slowly make anyone believe (almost) anything. The guy isn't treating this message as simply a weird message in a bottle. He actually believe that he was reincarnated as Adam and everything else that was shown to him.

So it goes to show that when you turn on your "influence field", (or someone else does) there are dangers awaiting you. Keep that squarely in mind.

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The guy is a very good example of what can happen when people believe in strangers bearing strange mental/psychic templates. Buyer beware!

Fore
11-12-2012, 12:31 PM
Watching part 2.

My God, what a perverse experience. This guy is fit for the mind Mangler thread that Montalk made. I have heard from people on the forum that reptilians are usually pretty perverse and into really strange stuff. This guys story takes the cake.

It's almost like a Demon is trying to entice him into deeper and deeper perversions. I have no clue what is going on as it has an ET cover with very deep Demonic Overtones.

@28min

Uh oh, sounds like all these groups are connected to each other.

@29min

Interesting on the planning claims with timelines and preemptive efforts. Seems this faction knows about the "dividing line in history". They seem to be of "the others".

@35-40min

Phasing field effects? (time rate adjustments?)

@44min

A perverse use of technology (if true). Perpetual life if they used it that way.

There is no way to tell who or what the entity was originally from if they are using soul/mind transplantation in that way.

@47min
Artifact of mind manglers...

@ 50min
Interesting point they brought up on hybrids used as husks and the possibility of mental and "adapted" interconnect rejection.

@55min
Interesting reference to his awareness of the Artificial Sentience.

Fore
11-13-2012, 01:56 AM
Forum is behaving unusual, my IP address is apparently blocked:

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C:\>ping www.theoutpostforum.com

Pinging www.theoutpostforum.com [79.170.44.98] with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 79.170.44.98:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

C:\>

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Besides Switzerland everything else seems fine:

http://host-tracker.com/check_res_ajx/11574510-0/

Could one of the Admins check on this? (currently using a free proxy)

Fore
11-13-2012, 01:59 AM
The forum is also telling me that several functions are not available with my account.

Doc
11-13-2012, 03:14 AM
Your account seems to be as it usually is, no changes that I can see. Perhaps the problem is not here. We will continue to check.

Fore
11-13-2012, 06:17 AM
The problem has apparently cleared by itself. (?)

I took a screenshot of one of the errors a few hours ago:

http://i46.tinypic.com/k86dv.jpg

Strange thing is the IP was blocked too. Hopefully it isn't the Reptillians. (just joking/kidding)

Doc
11-13-2012, 06:28 AM
That is very odd indeed. Everything looked normal when I checked it earlier. Maybe Garuda can shed some more light on it. :cool:

Garuda
11-13-2012, 06:36 AM
By default, vBulletin doesn't block IP addresses. Banned members, e.g., get demoted to guest status: they can still browse the forum; their IP address doesn't get blocked.
If an IP address does get blocked, it means it's registered as an IP address that spammers use.
So, if you're using a proxy and you get a message like that, the most likely explanation is that it's using IP addresses that spammers use.
Close your session and try again. Or better yet, don't use a proxy...

Fore
11-13-2012, 09:16 AM
The strange thing is I wasn't using a proxy. I used a proxy when I noticed that the forum was still up (with hostracker.com) yet I couldn't reach it with my home IP.

Then I pinged it, and as you saw, the pings didn't arrive.

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Next I switched to a proxy and logged in to see if the account itself was blocked. The login was successful with a little bit of a hiccup. When I went to visit this thread from the front page, the link instead kept redirecting me to a thread that was in a different section of the forum and that I hadn't visited before. So I went through the Minds Eye section directly and posted from there. (still using the proxy at this point)

Went ahead and posted once, no problems. Posted a second time and no problem either. Edited the first post and that pictured error shows up. Then tried again, and the edit went through without a problem. Then I went to the forum index and tried to enter the thread from the latest post next to "Minds Eye" section. At first it redirected me to an unrelated thread in another section. Then it popped up that pictured message repeatedly. Finally I just decided to keep going through the section manually and finding this thread. Finally editing the second post with that screen popping up once or twice.

So I am not sure what to make of it.

If I had the issue while using a proxy (from the start) I would understand. But having the issue with my home IP and then it clears itself up again without anything special is pretty odd. My home IP renews only once every 45 days. So it persists for a long period of time.

Anyway, just odd behavior that doesn't seem to fit any single issue that I can think of. It's almost like the links and account profile was on the fritz. Could be that it detected my home IP as that of a spammer....but why would it go away after a few hours? (Same IP now as then.)

Edit: Point is, the error went away. But it was a puzzling error in how it manifested and then went away.

calikid
11-13-2012, 02:53 PM
Maybe try a trace route next time you get PING failures?
See what link the failure is occurring at.
"tracert 123.45.67.89"

I routinely update routing tables within customer's Cisco routers and depend on the internet to reroute (via hold down timers) traffic while I am making the modifications. One possibility is that you may have simply been a victim of a (packet) traffic detour.

Fore
11-18-2012, 04:43 PM
Thanks for all that info. From what you described, it really lives up to its Biblical context. Yes, surprisingly/not surprisingly it does.



I'm thinking of John 15:26: "“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of Truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me." (NIV). Advocate, referring to the Holy Spirit.

I found it interesting that Christ would send something "out from the Father" rather than playing that role himself. I am not sold on the idea that Jesus is God. I think the Trinity may be something invented and strung together by mankind or someone(s) who are "fallen".

Funnily enough, there are beings whom do worship the idea of a trinity/triangle. I think the idea itself must be tied to something that human beings do not know of yet. Some concept not found on Earth but which may be prevalent in "a Visitors" life. (I refer to any visitor, of any type, that employs the triangular symbol)

Even biblical symbols are sometimes portrayed in combinations of triangular symbols. The Triangle seems to be something related to something fundamental in some of our visitors existence... but what it is and whom believes in what is unknown to me.




As if delegating the task. Maybe the Holy Spirit is some kind of cosmic tulpa made of the highest divine influence, programmed to help/encourage/inform those it can reach (or those who reach for it). Perhaps it might be.

It appears to only respond to a certain set of conditions or if it is manifested by "The Father'.

In order to understand the Holy Spirit (as seen from my perspective, not necessarily the biblical narrative, you have to understand a few dozen references that sort of paint a ?coherent? picture for me.

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For example, it is a very common idea on peoples minds that Heaven and Earth are alike except for the abundance part.

Though if you talk to a Higher Order Entity for even a little bit you start to realize there are several points of reference that aren't entirely obvious (even if stated Bibically).

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For example, the average person assumes that if they get to step into "paradise" then they will somehow be able to carry all of their earthly behavioral traits with them to "there'.

From what the HOE (higher order entities) have allowed me to glean and pick up in terms of hints and implications in their speeches, there seems to be a big factor that will eventually happen to make it possible for people to create a type of bridge between one (or more) stages of Heaven.

The Earthly side and the non-Earthly side.

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People will seemingly be changed not just materially in body form but also on "the inside". As if their nature "is thereby changed" to such a (willful) degree that they will become perfectly compatible within the confines of a lasting paradise of sorts.

The changes seem to be largely systemic changes, though. Something on the order of rewriting the rules behind reality and what constitutes the people therein.

At an individual level, part of it is seemingly about how we reason and behave. This includes a replaced nature of their body and what it impels them to do for the sake of an animal nature.

Ultimate even the nature of how reality itself functions (on "this side" of life) is also changed.

The changes seem to be "absolutely necessary" like setting down the foundations for what eventually will last perpetually. Like what is in Heaven except on what will be a new version of Earth and it's reality.

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But, and there always seems to be a but....

But for it "all to happen" the individual has to be initially solicited (it seems) at least once to adopt or negate the start of the process.

It appears that the freewill of an individual makes them a part of that future systemic change or a dying subject due to that extraordinary change.

The individual appears to decide, right now, as they live each day what the future judgement will be.

Fore
11-18-2012, 04:52 PM
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I have started to understand that the judgement (as depicted by the HOE) is not just "a moment" at the end. But it has been hinted that the judgement is progressively happening each hour of each day up until that meeting where the results are finally discussed.

Apparently, you can't "pass" by a human understanding of merit. The HOE have strongly hinted that there has to be a bond between an individual and God. Without it, the sentence is pretty clear.

I started to gradually understand what they meant. I think they meant that God makes it all work together like an integral part of the puzzle. That the behaviors practiced by the people in Heaven are not enough. That this "Source" is in itself what makes the whole thing work. Not simply on "magical divine powers' alone but on a combination of principle and function. It all somehow jives together to form paradise itself.

Inherently this implies strongly that if "the fallen" have left paradise because they rejected any part of the system, they cannot somehow recreate it. No matter how smart they may be.

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To understand this you have to look at it through my eyes and what they have told me bluntly or simply implied deeply by the various conversations.

Fore
11-18-2012, 05:12 PM
Anyway,

It appears our actions are currently being written down as a record of events. (Our book of Life?)

It seems the records of our actions, thoughts, beliefs or non-beliefs are the determining factor. Seemingly being free to believe anything, we know our true selves.

Our thoughts, feelings, expressions and moments of decisions are each defining what will be a record of ourselves and what will be said at the final meeting of decision. Who we are and will be is being defined by ourselves. We are somehow our own living testimony to whom we are and what we accept vs what we reject.

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Some of the Angels (HOE) have said that sometimes second chances come quickly at the same moment that the first chance has passed. That my greatest weakness is making the right choice.

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For them, the choice is not nearly as cloudy as it is for a regular human being. Their nature, their habitation, their beliefs and understandings are all extremely tied to their place in paradise.

Where the Angels come from, they have differing levels of peace. They seem to be ageless. They have internal integrity but they do not appear to be human in their application of logic and sensibilities.

Their background story is that of paradise with lengthy patrols and sessions on Earth. They don't appear to experience the human struggle in any real sense. They already know with absolute certainty what no human being appears to know.

So given all of that, their perspectives are heavily slanted.

They are infused to different degrees with a "warm" feeling energy that they say they obtain from God and being near his presence. This energy is not just "some feel good energy"....it is some kind of "spirit afterglow" that strengthens them. As if it were a reinforcing fabric of their inner strength.

Some of them have hinted that Heaven is a way of life...not simply "a place of perfection". They have stated that none can go there (Humans) without permission of God or without being ~thoroughly cleaned~ on the inside.

They claimed that anyone whom tried to approach God without being "clean" would immediately be annihilated by the extreme nature of God. There is some account in the Bible that do seem to back that claim up. When one of the patriarchs tried to intentionally glimpse the edges of God they almost died.

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At other times, the bible is full of procedures through which human beings have to go through to get anywhere near the direct presence of God. The priest even had to adorn themselves in bells and a rope attached to themselves to help others outside the temple figure out if they were still alive while they were behind the curtain that covered the "holy presence". (since they couldn't come in, as anyone else would die instantly).

So purity of different types and kinds seems to be a big thing in anything related to Heaven. I have heard other Christians refer to fasting....and I never could make sense of it. Until I began to assume that eating substances on earth (that contain residual influence from dead animals and such) must be the reason behind fasting. Perhaps to purge remnant influence patterns over time which would have been a stumbling block before the Holy Spirit was around.

Since the influence field of a person naturally cycles and cleans itself, if you fasted for several weeks, your field would eventually be clean enough to metaphysically approach God. A sort of "state of grace".

Perhaps the Holy Spirit has been in charge of intervention because the bar is slightly lower than being in the direct presence of God? (easier accessibility?)

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I recall, when the Angel whom treated me (just a few days after I turned my life over to God) that when they healed most of my long lasting ailments back then. I started to see an intense brightness with my second sight high in the sky. Like a perpetual presence of God watching.

It was the first time I knew for certain that God was real. Immediately after I saw the brightness, the Angel said it was the brightness surrounding God. The Angel said it was what they always saw and was always with them.

Immediately after looking at the brightness for a very short time, I witnessed intense Angels who were clearly in a league of their own speaking from within the brightness. They said I wasn't worthy of looking. They said this did not mean that God loved me any less but that "my sight of God" would be closed again.

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Perhaps purity is a big reason why constant prayer is a common ritual among modern day Christians. The more they attract the Holy Spirit, the more "clean" they become and the easier their proxy communication becomes. (The bond also increases I would suspect)

norenrad
11-18-2012, 06:10 PM
Very good stuff Fore, I have no complaints. If a priest presented an unclean sacrifice to God, the priest would die. The rope was for others to pull their dead body out from behind the curtain. The Bible makes it perfectly clear that humans cannot survive looking at God in his entirety, only a select few have been of a nature enough to do so.

Neuru
11-18-2012, 09:10 PM
Agreed, very good posts.

What you wrote in post #904 reminded me what's described in this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degrees_of_glory
Do take it into account however that I am not a Mormon and the similarity is likely superficial. I am referring to the three kinds of "kingdoms" written about there, which sounds similar to the concept of "stages of heaven" you mentioned.

One thing that caught my eye is that this Joseph Smith Jr. person received that knowledge described in the article in a vision. Of course any competent discarnate being can induce a vision, I know that. Anyway, just an interesting correlation, probably nothing profound. Plus "something" is definitely not right with the whole thing as it's described (in the article) and I'll leave it to the reader to figure out what this "something" is.

As regards the triangle, one place where it appears that was not mentioned in this thread is the Tree of Life (from Hermetic Kabbalah), it's a recurring pattern there but I don't want to derail this thread as it's a huge topic in itself. This is probably a good (and concise) book on Kabbalah: http://www.digital-brilliance.com/kab/nok/ (A Depth of Beginning, by Colin Low). It costs $0.00.

CasperParks
11-18-2012, 11:57 PM
Fore,

Good posts.

Fore
11-19-2012, 12:06 AM
Hmm, sounds like the Kingdom of Heaven. That leads to the following line of reasoning:

If these beings are bathed in a very pure (?) and "warm" type of influence there, that says something about what constitutes the Kingdom of Heaven. And if you noticed certain people also have this kind of warmth, not to the same degree of course, then that could explain what Jesus meant by the Kingdom of Heaven being both a state of being and realm of existence. It refers both to the divine realm, and the inner state of being toward which we ought to strive. Yes, I think he is a prime example of what it would be like to meet a HOE in an incarnate form.

What Jesus did, how he behaved, how he thinks and reasons are all signs (IMO) that his mentality stems from Heaven/Paradise than it does to the Earthly system.

For example, people don't really seem to understand the underpinning reasoning as to why he said to give up everything material and search for God. Further, a reason why he never seemed to be worried about what he was wearing or cared about not having any money or apparent security as seen from the Human perspective.

If you were like him, a being who has lived in Heaven for a long time. Your perspectives on what you encounter on this Earth (reguardless of timeframe) would be significantly different. In Heaven, they have abundance and security and God to depend on. He basically provides anything they need.

Put on the shoes of a HOE or of a Jesus. Imagine living in a near timeless perfection for an endless passage of time. Then coming to the Earth where there is/was natural abundance but because of the way Human mind works, it creates shortages and problems at every turn. Nature on Earth has been "tweaked" by God Himself to give mankind a hard life.

Consider things from the perspective of someone leaving Paradise but not being kicked out. Imagine knowing with absolute certainty that God is always present anywhere you go. Imagine what little relevance money or food gathering has if you are a resident of Heaven and you are transiting through time on Earth.

Despite being alive in a human form with human frailty and feeling pain or hunger, God has never left Him. When Jesus needed something, according to the will of God, it was always covered. He didn't need money or food or belongings. Even if it was to feed a troop of thousands of listeners. It was God who guided Him for a specific purpose and provided everything needed. So even the concept of "dying" seems trivial from that mentality. It would be (in that mentality and perspective) preferable to die doing something right than to live doing something wrong. Because once you die, your right back at square one in front of God. (figuratively speaking)

You'd win the battle and yet...lose the war.

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That may be why Jesus was always stating over and over again that God should come first before anything. Not simply because God can bend reality and provide for any needs even on Earth. But because He can bend even a seemingly unyielding reality and still retain renown integrity and purpose while doing it.

He largely implied how the rich (on Earth) would be hard pressed to know God because they must labor for life after their earnings rather than after God. They would be pre-occupied with maintaining their wealth and everything required of it. (Including things God would look down on)

From Jesus perspective "real" life on Earth was probably devoid of purpose. Coming from Paradise where everything jives together and works, to an Earth where nothing works and everyone is against one another. He (and God) set an active example on Earth so that stories would be written about the accounts and inspire people to look beyond their Earthly lives.

If people jeered and said that Jesus was crazy, He would pray and God would provide the miracle. But rather than convince many, that only put them at odds with these "eye popping" miracles. If they claimed God couldn't cure a leper, He did; by the droves. If they cried because someone they knew died, God would even flex the situation to restore their life. Basically, stating that nothing is beyond His ability.

Though still, the majority seemingly only saw Jesus (the representative) and not God Himself. When they wanted to know what God was like, Jesus made a comparison that if they had seen His actions and His own kindness, then the two (God and He) were very alike in their mindset/heart. When they asked Jesus how could they obtain eternal life, He told them exactly how. To follow His example.

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Disturbingly, everything that could go wrong, did go wrong in a sense. In the end, people still jeered/feared Him for His testimony on behalf of God. They still tempted Him to provide miracles as if to reduce "the signs and wonders" to mere parlor tricks for their entertainment. Rather than as a sign that God is still there waiting and hoping for their reconciliation and return back into Paradise.

Despite the miracles, people still did not believe. Some still had bonds with God (through Faith) and did recognize Jesus as a representative/redeemer for God. Others though were pretty much spiritually dead/inert/irreconcilable according to Biblical accounts. Rather than see the miracles as a sign that God was still in charge and very much active, they instead feared of it and tried to bury it.


Maybe this warmth is a key factor in getting to work with the Holy Spirit, and the faith and spiritual integrity is the means of achieving it.

And if this "warmth" is really just a pattern or quality of influence, then it all comes down to repatterning our own influence to be more in tune with that of the angels and their realm. And this can be done without needing to run psi ball exercises and such. Somehow faith, integrity, love, devotion, and other spiritual qualities might be enough. I wonder what these qualities do exactly to the interconnect system if anything, like would they re-pattern the influence flowing from the chest interconnect centers or what...The interconnect seems to be only the bottom half of the meta-physical components.

There are other metaphysical components that are not psychic in nature (in any classical sense). Everyone posses it and they can and do utilize it.

If you think about the interconnect as a tree with the roots and the trunk being closest to the physical body. Then there are other branches of metaphysical/spiritual functions that have almost nothing to do with the body itself.

As far as I know, there are no names in English for those functions. I just label them in an undescriptive category called "3rd level intention" or "3rd level control".

Fore
11-23-2012, 02:57 AM
Saw this today and thought of this thread. It mentions microtubules where the soul is housed. Could these be connected to the filaments in some way?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html

Near-death experiences occur when the soul leaves the nervous system and enters the universe, claim two quantum physics experts

A near-death experience happens when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a remarkable theory proposed by two eminent scientists.

According to this idea, consciousness is a program for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.

Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, has advanced the quasi-religious theory.

It is based on a quantum theory of consciousness he and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose have developed which holds that the essence of our soul is contained inside structures called microtubules within brain cells.

They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

Thus it is held that our souls are more than the interaction of neurons in the brain. They are in fact constructed from the very fabric of the universe - and may have existed since the beginning of time.

The concept is similar to the Buddhist and Hindu belief that consciousness is an integral part of the universe - and indeed that it is really all there may be, a position similar to Western philosophical idealism.

With these beliefs, Dr Hameroff holds that in a near-death experience the microtubules lose their quantum state, but the information within them is not destroyed. Instead it merely leaves the body and returns to the cosmos.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2225190/Can-quantum-physics-explain-bizarre-experiences-patients-brought-brink-death.html#ixzz2Asvd6DVgHes on the right general path but he needs to walk a few more miles down that path to come close to the designs and concepts, according to what the ET taught me.

Fore
11-23-2012, 03:10 AM
In that same vein, ChuChi has passed on on the 14th. I haven't felt right enough to talk about it. But I did get to witness his transition and learned a number of things as he passed on.

When I feel better about it, I will talk more about it. It was not a bad experience though it was painful for us to see him go. He did die peacefully after we tried everything (both holistic and traditional medicine). He is not gone as far as I know, he has simply moved on, and I hope to see him when it is our time.

Considering what ultimately happened, God was extremely helpful to each of us in allowing us the strength to let go and to let him leave us in peace. I couldn't have asked for a better parting. Thanks to all those who prayed for him. It really helped immensely.

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I can tell you that I saw the moment he died and I saw what happened to the influence that represented his insides as he went through the stages of dying. What I found was both painful/enlightening and interesting all at the same time. I was overcome with grief at the time so my observations were not perfect. But they were good enough to allow me to witness several facets of the dying process that confirm some of the Advisors statements as well as shed light on processes that she hadn't alluded to in its entirety in her teachings.

I now understand what people mean by they can see death in someone eyes as well as what some psychics mean when they see a blinking effect to someones/somethings "energy" when they are about to die. I also finally understand why people think of the eyes as the proverbial "windows to the soul". I also learned what the difference is between an OBE, NDE and final [unrecoverable] death.

Though ti was a painful lesson, it was a substantial lesson in what happens.

More than anything, it calms some of my fears as to what happens when we die.

CasperParks
11-23-2012, 03:29 AM
ChuChi has passed on on the 14th.

Fore,

Sorry to learn of your loss...

Take-care,

Casper...

Doc
11-23-2012, 02:30 PM
Condolences, Fore.

This thread has accumulated an incredible number of "reads", suggesting that the thread and topic attracts a large number of people, members and non-members. I think this is because the members who post here have dared to bring their personal truth and share it with like-minded people in a spirit of truth-seeking rather than combativeness. Live long and prosper!

Neuru
11-23-2012, 05:59 PM
My sincere condolences.

L-W
11-23-2012, 06:54 PM
Condolences

newyorklily
11-23-2012, 10:09 PM
I am so sorry for your loss, Fore. I will keep you in my prayers.

norenrad
11-23-2012, 10:26 PM
My condolences, we're all here for you.

epo333
11-23-2012, 11:00 PM
You are in my thoughts and prayers too Fore. I know you extended the ultimate act(s) of kindness.

A99
11-23-2012, 11:45 PM
My most sincere condolences Fore. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

montalk
11-24-2012, 04:29 AM
That's sad to hear, but as you said, he's not gone just moved on. When I watched our cat being put to sleep in September, the moment of her death was like having a background noise switching off that was always there but I had never noticed before until it was suddenly gone. Something in her eyes and in the room changed. Well I know what it's like to lose a pet, hope you feel better soon too.

Fore
11-27-2012, 01:46 PM
@ All
Thank you for the condolences.
I have chosen not to talk about the experience as of yet until some time passes.

I'll return sporadically to cover a few topics that are loose and need some answers if I know of it.

@ montalk
I am very sorry to hear about you loss. I know what you mean when you said the above.

Fore
11-27-2012, 01:47 PM
I also recommend the thread below:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?t=987

It covers some of what has been posted and should (of course) be no surprise.

Edit:
I talked with my brother yesterday and we covered a wide range of topics while watching some Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura. I must say, they tend to cover some interesting topics in the most fruity of ways. But, there was some interesting topics in those episodes.

During our talk, I reiterated several dozen topics I have covered on this forum with him. I then realized that the underlying effects that stop me from effectively talking about the information didn't seem to come into play. It appears that perhaps the underpinning mechanisms were no longer functional. (?)

The only correlation to this apparent difference is perhaps the fact that I have been interacting with the Holy Spirit and praying more than normal. Which means my "insides" get cleaned out repeatedly in that process.

It made me wonder deeply if the mechanisms the ET employ in practice and place "effects" into peoples minds are somehow supported by influence programming as one Grey mentioned a very long time ago. Its something worth looking at.

If it is the case, then the system can be mitigated. I'll have to conduct more tests to see if that is really the case though. Just something i thought would be interesting to you guys. It is in the same vein as the last few pages worth of talk.

Fore
11-28-2012, 12:36 PM
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pontificator
11-29-2012, 10:42 PM
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@Fore, I was sorry to hear that your dog had died, it's always pretty hard-hitting when it happens. You'll probably want to know that when you do a post like that the initial version is sent to people watching the thread via email, so just keep that in mind.

I'm currently dealing with some family issues at home, so my brother is currently back home. That in itself is not a problem, but odd things have been happening since he arrived on a more full-time basis [He has ability, but does not use it, or know how to use it, I suspect he is currently being taken advantage of.]

I've run a few experiments under the "it can't be that easy" category, given my field is simply staying sustained these days [I really need to move locations.] I had the thought that the emotional centre, that seems to be located central to the chest area, could well up a given emotion on demand and send it as a pulse. I really didn't expect that to work, but it does seem to create a mirror effect of sorts; the strength of this effect is debatable, I have no idea how much of the original emotion reaches the other individual, nor how strongly it takes effect. The individual knows it is immediately associated with me, but as to whether they think it is themselves feeling the emotion, or that they are aware of it being a foreign emotion, is currently unconfirmed [It's generally not something you ask when in a conversation :)] I have not tested anger for obvious reasons...

Fore
11-30-2012, 09:01 AM
That post was largely unrelated in that context. Just had an upsurge in "unknown paranormal activity" after posting it. So I deleted it soon after.

I guess as the uncharacteristic paranormal activity shot up....I should not state I want to know "of something" as ?I guess? the written form may be a form of giving some unknown a chance and an opportunity. Hence the deleted post.

Edit: I have long realized that my interaction on the forum is a casual factor in how some strange events happen. As much as is the fact that I used to interact with the entities before I ever came on a forum.

I prefer to keep the strangeness at bay.

Fore
11-30-2012, 09:59 AM
I've run a few experiments under the "it can't be that easy" category, given my field is simply staying sustained these days [I really need to move locations.] I had the thought that the emotional centre, that seems to be located central to the chest area, could well up a given emotion on demand and send it as a pulse. I really didn't expect that to work, but it does seem to create a mirror effect of sorts; the strength of this effect is debatable, I have no idea how much of the original emotion reaches the other individual, nor how strongly it takes effect. The individual knows it is immediately associated with me, but as to whether they think it is themselves feeling the emotion, or that they are aware of it being a foreign emotion, is currently unconfirmed [It's generally not something you ask when in a conversation :)] I have not tested anger for obvious reasons...

There is a type of influence that induces calm and eventually sleep in people. It is a really old trick I picked up by watching the ET's do it.

Technically, I should probably not call it "calm". The proper way to describe it is ~arrestation~ "of a process" at an influence level.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arrestation

The technique is where you build up an influence discharge either using your internal field or your external field and direct it at someone.
If you wrap it around your extremities like you right hand, when you put it over someones body you can arrest most processes and control it to the point that it will behave abnormally under your personal control.

In this case, if someone has a bad stomach ache for example, you can generate a controlled discharge around your hand. The discharge is stationary relative to your hand and envelops it. When you place your hand over the persons stomach (or actually any point in close proximity) then you gently inject your field into their body/torso.

This step then generates an ESP image in your mind with various specs and details that tell you what that region of their body is doing both as physical structures and as non-physical interactions. Then you insert the arresting pattern into the affected region. The pattern that represents the problem condition is then controlled and is overcome usually in less than a few seconds.

At that point the persons internal patterns begin mimicing the injected "arrestation" pattern as it mixes throughout their influence system. Their bodies physical make up naturally mimics the change and the issue disappears without much effort.

Though if that pattern dilutes throughout their system, it also causes them to fall asleep.

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I assume this pattern is the same type (only they use a stronger type) that puts people "out of it" in contact scenarios.

It makes people drowsy and relaxed and eventually the urge to fall asleep starts to become apparent. The stronger the application, the more the effects change. I have noticed that people can't stay awake if you give them a strong dose of this particular type of arrestation pattern.

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What you really need to magnify the effects of any influence is really only learning how to make it stable and sustainable.

The trick is simply wrapping the core influence pattern you want to project in a type of influence configuration that is specifically very good at isolating the environment from the core influence pattern.

Think of it like a twix chocolate bar. (I know, funny example)
The payload is the chocolate center. But everytime you expose it to the elements of the environment, it immediately begins to melt and disassemble in its original shape, form and function.

If you think of the pattern you are projecting as requiring simple protection from the ambient static of the environment*. Then you will understand that most patterns you generate in this ambient static soup (the external environment) will try to normalize with "the ambient static" around it.

To get the chocolate bar from point A to point B, you need a wrapper. You don't necessarily need more chocolate. Got it?

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There is a simple mental theory that I made up long ago that puts things into perspective based on what they (The ET) told me in their instructional lessons.

That the ambient environment is a normalizing force. (Not actual, but you can effectively think of it in that sense)

That > "something" < focus on this point....wraps around the body in order to keep our natural biological influence type from normalizing with the rest of the environment.

So basically, anything thrust out of your body, (such as psychic energy) without this "wrapper" will disparate very quickly.

You can overcome this by increasing the magnitude of influence being released (not very effective or very efficient)
OR
You can figure out which of the thousands of patterns in your body acts as a wrapper and an "ISOLATER" to the external environment just outside your body.

When you find that isolating pattern type (of influence), then you will be able to generate sustained influence patterns that do not disparate or deconstruct on immediate contact with the ambient influence in the environment.

If you ever look at a Demon (or less visible) at an ET, you will see this "normalizing force" active on the periphery of their field. When they expend influence you should notice (especially for a Demon) that their influence field is slowly dissolving/decompiling/decomposing relative to the external influence environment around them.

In the ET it is only noticeable because they run such an immense field that is at odds with the natural processes behind the natural corrective forces of the environment.

In the Demons (even the phantoms) it is noticeable because their influence type is being torn appart by the natural corrective forces of the ambient environment.

The difference between the two above is that the ET regenerate their field at a phenomenal rate and they have immense affinity control over a wide spectrum of the influence background. (I know most people won't understand what I mean by that)

The Demons do not regenerate their field and continuously lose it as if they were walking in an ambient bath of airborn acid. They therefore have to go looking for sources of influence (living people) and confine them in controlled areas where they can feed off of them. In this process they also modify that confined environment to their liking so that the background influence doesn't "normalize" as "intensely" as it should. They like abandoned places and situations where the environments constants do not change drastically.

They (the demons and phantoms) do not have [in general] all that strong an affinity over the ambient influence in the environment. Their underlying principles of how their fields work is just all sorts of wrong.

As the Advisor educated me on the topic, and the demons confirmed, the higher capability demons have far too high a sensitivity to come anywhere near a normal environment for too long. Their influence type changes to an even more volatile type that the corrective forces on their influence is too sharp. (They bleed out influence extremely quickly)

The lower demons have different kind of influence with a less intense correction in a normal ambient environment. (They bleed out, over a longer period of time)

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The ET do not have these problems because they are like us (Human beings) in that they have a natural ISOLATER field type that prevents their innards from "bleeding out" and being exposed to the external environment.

What they do have a problem with though, is the abnormal intensity with which their field interacts with the environment. The intensity does one of two things, it either damages the natural properties of the ambient environment. (almost always)
And/OR
It creates secondary anomalies in the physical spectrum as the intense influence they give off externally begins to normalize on contact with the environment. Namely they glow, give off heat, static and electromagnetic discharges, damage the fabric of the natural influence environment etc.

Hopefully that is enough info, if you need something just ask.

Fore
11-30-2012, 10:11 AM
Keep in mind that Arrestor and Isolator (sp?) types are different and have different features on different kinds of influence types.

pontificator
12-01-2012, 10:27 AM
Out of interest, given that there is an isolator field and ET's seem to be dissipating their extra influence around the place as they undergo decay issues down here, what would happen if there were another isolation field around the body? I'm thinking that an individual could apply the effect just beyond their additional psychic structures [similar to having an additional isolation field like a space-suit,] or partially around the structures, to reduce the total amount of influence needed to maintain and unfold them.

The dissipation effect also explains what I ran into on the bridge, the entity was a bit far away so the influence mass it effectively spat at me dissipated quite a bit before it hit [but enough to tip me up another level of activation... I'm half-wondering if my higher mind is running serious research on each incident in order to have the effect at its disposal. {which wouldn't surprise me}]

*Edit*
That has attracted something's attention... might be an interesting night... [usually that means I've speculated semi-accurately on something I shouldn't have.]

Fore
12-01-2012, 12:44 PM
Out of interest, given that there is an isolator field and ET's seem to be dissipating their extra influence around the place as they undergo decay issues down here, what would happen if there were another isolation field around the body? I'm thinking that an individual could apply the effect just beyond their additional psychic structures [similar to having an additional isolation field like a space-suit,] or partially around the structures, to reduce the total amount of influence needed to maintain and unfold them. Unfortunately, I don't have a good enough answer.

I have never tried to really wrap my outer (EFM) field with the "Isolator" types of influence.

Your question is a very good one but unfortunately I don't have an answer. The reason I don't is because I don't know how "isolator" influence types are generated within my field. I only know from experience that:

A) Access to the isolator types of influence increase with psychic maturity. ~(pretty sure)~
B) The isolator types seem to be less abundant in supply than various other influence configuration types). So sometimes you can use it readily and other times the supply of that particular type is seemingly reduced in it's abundance.

YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary)

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The second point to touch on is that the ET (specially the Advisor) talk about the External Field Manipulation (EFM) being very vulnerable to dissipation because of normalizing effects in our environment.

It is not a topic to go into lightly as their understanding of it is very nuanced and complicated with a lot of "this and that" to keep in mind when broaching that topic with them.

For example, when some of them (The ET/Advisor) talk about External Field degradation, they talk about it within several types of specific context. You have to look carefully at the details so you don't get lost in which context applied.

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Lets say you are an ET and you have a very prominent EFM field around the outside of your body. Something that is naturally produced by you in your native environment. (Trans-Dimensional) The first thing to point out is that most ET whom intend to stay in our reality type tend to reconfigure and mitigate subsequent issues with the EFM field using technology.

So the "normal" profile for an ET is not typically an ET whom comes with their full extensions "turned on" as they come into the environment. The normal profile they explained was:

A) An unspecified psychic procedures they undergo (like readjustments/realignments/reduction) which enable them to reduce the size and scope of their EFM within a prolonged phasing environment. This is said to be the most prevalent types among the ET whom are not interacting with Human beings.

B) An even further reduced procedure with prepares their EFM field to a minimal workable profile (RED FLAG event). Used on people who are going to be coming into long stints between phased and unphased (ground floor of our reality) environments. Usually the people like the Advisor whom have the interaction with Human beings.

C) Full profile EFM fields for the ET who require (they have a non-human expression for it) ~deep penetration~ visits. LOL has nothing to do with abductions. They are spur of the moment visitations with Human Groups in meetings or "hands on" interactions and manipulations of people that other personnel can't do properly.

I was told that these types of full profile visits were usually when some ET is "on site" under specific orders that are "not completely conventional" interactions. The bad problem about this is that they have a limited time to interact if they are full profile. They "bleed out" [psychically] because our environment is a different configuration than some of their native (Trans-Dimensional) environments.

The Advisor said that if they "bleed out" in their "full profile" they either slowly die as their structures degrade due to the normalizing effects of our environment. Or their structures dissipate until their higher features become non-functional at which point they become "dim" in their mindset and lose a vast segments of their level of sentient and unique traits.

C1) Another form of "Full Profile" ET which do not decide to convert the full mass of their bodies to match this reality standard. The Advisor said these ET stay in a very isolated phasing facility in our reality where they can manage the other ET who remain in a more common isolated phasing facility while they do common operations.

The Advisor used to say that the C1 types (as I will refer to them) are the type who administer to project and are large vulnerable to the effects of our reality. They do not design hybrid bodies for themselves she told me and they rarely leave the confines of the special facilities they stay at which is phased significantly. Project managers (ET) visit them to pick up their orders.

She described one of these C1 types to be like a being with a generalized humanoid body shape without any of the distinguishing features of having a functional biological form. (No eyes, face, skin etc) She said it is like looking at a bright lamp. Not at all blinding from the imagery she showed back then) She said that one lived in a specialized facility that was small and was like...an isolation ward with various internal chambers. I recall she told me that normalized ET can't come into direct contact with that kind of non-normalized ET. She also told me not all ET types can re-integrate their consciousness or original design into a "human-like form factor". That supposedly this is preferable solution to "these".

C2) I forgot what the other variety was by the time I got the chance to write it.

Fore
12-01-2012, 01:09 PM
So you know what normalization does to ET as well as to you.

Each day, you pour out influence generated from inside your body. As it extends beyond the natural Isolating properties that coats your internal field....what results is a disappation of your external field due to the ambient normalizing effects.

Going back to the analogy of the twix chocolate bar with its protective wrapper...when your field becomes external, it naturally goes further and further away from your influence centers. This is where the normalizing effects of the environment become much stronger on your influence emanations.

<Now pause there for a minute and think long and hard...FOCUS on this>

There is a reason why your field unravels as it gets further and further away from the natural protection. The issue is two fold.

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1) One of the reasons is because the bundle of influence drifting out and away from your body is gradually less and less covered by the naturally occurring isolator types of influence embedded in your IFM. (The natural protective wrapper found in your IFM)

So as the isolator types of influence decrease, your personal patterns degrade into what the influence environment dictates it should be normalized to. It is torn apart by the ambient forces in the external environment.

But how do you know for sure I (and the ET lessons) are not mistaken? Well, if you look at any entity or person you know is psychic, you will notice one of two things:

A) That entities which emit or generate strong influence fields are almost always stronger close to their core presence and weaker at the extreme surroundings.

B) You can see the dissipation/normalizing effect on any process which is distancing itself from their core presence.

Such as what you saw, by the time the effect traversed a linear distance, the coherent form decreased by the time it got to your physical location. It is also somewhat the reason why low-end psychics require touch and hands or body parts or proximity. Their generated effect dissipates with linear distance if they are using linear methods.

So if you ever look at a healer, you'll notice they put their hands on (or near) the body of the person they want to heal. They could do it without their hands or even moving a muscle. But they usually intrinsically understand the effect dissipates with distance. Their emanations normalize as it travels from point A to point B before they reach the target.

The external environment tears apart their emanations before it ever gets very far.

Fore
12-01-2012, 01:47 PM
2) The ET terms of psychic affinity.

The ability to control a mass of influence at a distance.
Affinity is the special ability of any specific influence center to control any patterned influence at a distance.

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(FOCUS and Pay Attention on this)
Low End psychics configure and construct influence phenomena while it is usually in very close proximity to their body. Usually within the body or just outside the immediate proximity of their body surface.

As it is removed from that protective environment, it immediately begins to fall apart and unravel. Some low end psychics compensate by increasing their output to increase the chances that the phenomena will travel farther.

So like a radio analogy, if they emitted a coherent influence burst at 1 watt across a distance of 20 feet. By the time it reaches the target, 90% of it is lost. By increasing the magnitude of their emission to say...10 watt. They hope to increase what arrives at the other end.

If they understood that isolator types of influence can incapsulate an emission from their body and buffer out the destructive effects of the ambient environment....then they wouldn't have to increase the intensity of their releases.

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But what does Affinity have to do with this?

The Affinity factor is the ability of a psychic structure to control a pattern anywhere (within reason). By gradually increasing the load that any particular influence structure handles on a daily basis, the influence structure (Yellow Flag Event) begins to naturally adapt to changing the states of coherent influence...even at larger distances. (RED FLAG EVENT and connection...damn)

So what? What does increasing a psychic structures affinity really do for me?

Well if you can perpetually control a psychic emanation from the inside of your body, and as it enters the external field and well beyond the nearby confines of the body....then you can keep that pattern coherent even when it travels a large distance between point A and B.

You don't need isolaters influence types to wrap your projections in to keep them coherent.

If you have ever witnessed an ET work with it's influence (i.e. it's psychic effects) ...and you have Pontificator.....then you know that they don't have to come to you and touch you. They can barely move a muscle and change the operations of your bodies influence field right from across the room.

Hell they can even initiate telepathy from a remote location if they wanted to. They don't need line of sight if everything is set up properly.

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Affinity allows a structure in your body to control influence at a distance.

If you were appropriately set up, and ran a high influence field, you can pretty much scan the insides of another persons body without ever having to walk up to them and lay hands on them. Or even look them in the eye. Hell you don't even need to meet them. Just as long as you can target their field....it doesn't matter if they were in New York and you were in San Deigo.

Your ability to affect their field would extend pretty far. The reason why is because there is no conventions of space or time at the influence level. At least not in any sense that anyone normal would understand.

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Anyway, that is why the people with strong affinity over their fields do not need to wrap their external field with isolator types. (Probably could anyway if you wanted to...never tried to though)

The heavy influence loads on a persons internal interconnect is (over time) enough to increase their capability of controlling remote influence far from their body or even local to their body. The external structures in the EFM field are even more adept at handling extremely heavy influence loads.

The increase of affinity in someones internals also allows a psychic to coherent control phenomena across a distance. Linear or otherwise.

It also allows them to gradually eliminate field dispersion and loss by constantly controlling a large pool of influence with their external structures. Like I told Epo, just because my internal field has shrunk and grown smaller, Does not mean that my EFM is discharged. It is still very much charged with influence like a capacitor.

I can turn on my internal field by directing my external field inwards on my non-physical interconnect.

pontificator
12-03-2012, 03:18 AM
With the external field, that is the structures and fields exterior to the body, is it essentially running a self-sustained isolator field to stop the external environment from pulling it apart also? Alternatively, does the unfolded system have a state that makes natural corrective influence effects not act upon it? It's just a point of clarification.

With the EFM, what is the likely dispersion rate before it completely shuts down?

Now for something slightly different, how far, and for what duration, can an internal field inclusive of it's isolation field move away from the body before serious problems arise? Aside: I have a pretty good idea of all sorts of horrible issues that could arise, but not everyone else will.

Garuda
12-03-2012, 05:47 AM
Say, Fore, do you ever check your PMs?

Fore
12-03-2012, 03:20 PM
These days not as often as I should. I will get on it in a second. I remember reading your PM and forgot to get back to you on it.

Fore
12-07-2012, 02:31 PM
With the external field, that is the structures and fields exterior to the body, is it essentially running a self-sustained isolator field to stop the external environment from pulling it apart also? The bottom line answer is I do not know.

Technically speaking, the fact that the EFM (exterior) fields are being charged by the IFM and it's excess output, you would expect that the isolator field types would also propagate to the outer field.

But this is not something I can answer as I never noticed anything like that. (Not to mean that there isn't any, I just don't know of it.)



Alternatively, does the unfolded system have a state that makes natural corrective influence effects not act upon it? It's just a point of clarification. Technically, no, not that I know of.

The reason why i say this is because I have noticed the ET leaking influence at their periphery of their outer field. So that lead me to believe that the affinity factor that keeps their field together. From what the advisory has said, they just "leak" influence at a less noticeable rate compared to what you would leak at if you had the same field size.

I know that reads like Chinese but forgive me, I am having a hard time this late at night putting my words together.


With the EFM, what is the likely dispersion rate before it completely shuts down? In the ET, as in a fully developed field with affinity (etc).

The average retention rate of their "average" field size at about 70% to 85% (guesstimated). This is with tons of tricks like phasing field adjustments to isolate themselves from the effects of the natural environment.

My retention rate (EFM and IFM mixed) WAS (past tense) at an average of about 20%. So I lost most of the influence field I generated on a constant basis. After it was generated (at the IFM level) and after it passed to my EFM I would lose about 80% on average over time.

The solution was to keep building up my IFM in order to keep my EFM charged.

Now, I have no idea how bad my retention rate is these days, but I suspect it is anywhere from at least 30% to a max of probably 60%. My psychic structures seem to have better affinity over foreign influence than it used to about 10 years ago. The reason why is unknown. Perhaps because I am keeping most of the excess charge inside my IFM rather than pushing it out into my EFM.


Now for something slightly different, how far, and for what duration, can an internal field inclusive of it's isolation field move away from the body before serious problems arise? An IFM projection (properly insulated with isolator types and proper targeting) can go as far as the other side of the Earth from the tests I have conducted. So anywhere from about 4,000 miles (straight) to maybe a max of 12,000 miles.

Something natural at the borders of space seems to be much more complex or intense that targeting doesn't work effectively. (At least for me)

Keep in mind spacetime is a property of physical reality only. The influence version of reality would give a quantum science major a good long headache.



Aside: I have a pretty good idea of all sorts of horrible issues that could arise, but not everyone else will.What do you think happens to an individuals influence field if you create "a disruptive effect" that affects a specific region of their isolator field?

Keep in mind, isolator influence types come in various varieties. They are not like a shell or anything with significant structure. Think of it more like a buffer zone that mixes into other influence characteristics. The commutative presence of isolator influence types prevents other fields from interacting and therefore changing it.

The environment also has it's isolator types.

That is why it is hard to change the environment with your personal influence field. Study the rejection and the "intergrity" of influence in the environment and practice the idea that it has some kind of integrated isolator types that keep the cycling patterns stable.

Now do a bit of surgery and notice that once you cancel out the isolator types in the environment, the influence environment becomes very pliable and malleable.

Fore
12-07-2012, 02:32 PM
P.S. You can use the isolator types in healing as well. To increase the effectiveness of a procedure and remove a particular targeted pattern embedded within an organic system.

pontificator
12-12-2012, 06:31 AM
I was reading through the Telepathy thread and had an interesting thought: With the normal human imagination is it the higher mind effectively creating the imagery at the organic level to create the effect, or is it the lower level creating the effect from scratch? It's just that it seemed like a potential chicken and egg problem that I thought you'd have a bit more insight on.

Fore
12-12-2012, 08:18 AM
You know, I just had a disturbing series of thoughts. What if I am a hybrid?

I kept thinking about what a real one would be like and what kind of management one is supposed to have and noticed I kept describing situations of the past in my own case.

Then I started thinking on whether that has anything to do with them avoiding direct contact? And why would they bother waiting for so long? Coming in at *age 40* in the future is a bit passed my useful life isn't it?

I started wondering what was wrong with this picture. I wonder if they more than tweaked a bit while I was in the womb? Cause I am looking around and every time I open my mouth about some very tame topics I keep noticing that everybody else seems to be less capable to the same degree.

Then I started to wonder why they would assign an attendant up to my adulthood and then leave.....That was a series of disturbing thoughts coming to mind. Is that why they propositioned to pick me up before the series of events in the future? To save one more specimen?

Considering how I have acted, you'd think they would be happy to see me burn. Then I keep wondering why they don't just come in an punch me in the face to get the thought across? Do hybrids have some kind of special rights?

I sure as hell better not be any different than the average human being. Cause last I checked the bible states mixes are definitely destined to burn. So I sure as hell better be damn normal!

What worries me more than anything is the passive nature they keep insisting on. I have noticed there are those who really get bent out of shape. But why do they stop just before they do the deed? You always hear horrific stories of peoples being tortured or cut in two by the ET (or something like that) in abductee stories. It would be reassuring (in a bad way) to see them treat me like any human being.

Their (ET) behavior is nothing short of disturbing. Are they waiting?

Is that what it is? They baked a kid like me, brought him to adult hood with an attendant, left him alone and are seeing....what exactly? How human can I become?

Is that what the Advisors last instructions actually meant?

That is messed up, I sure as hell hope that my reasoning is off by a mile or two.

Fore
12-12-2012, 08:22 AM
Is that the reason why the micro-manage everything about my growing up ?

Even now they still send someone to check up on me every once in a while. (hell they probably never stop watching)

pontificator
12-15-2012, 10:20 PM
I seem to be getting rather a lot of visits from the one I'll refer to as "mosaic" simply because of the effects it causes in my visual field. It also is getting around a fair bit in my dreams at the moment, however the dream detail level is very impressive in terms of immersiveness of visual detail [ I commented that its control of detail was quite impressive, while examining its avatars wrist. It was a bit apologetic about the particular dream, from memory, while getting around as a small wooden automaton. Something about the required fear being necessary {it must be having a hard time on that front, I didn't actually find it frightening at all}.] It didn't take too long to work out why it was attempting to induce fear when I woke up with a racing heart-beat, chest to the bed, head facing sideways, and my visual field dominated by readouts indicating a massive amount of states. I determined it was the entities diagnostic system leaking into my field while it was at work, it seems to rely on a massively parallel readout system indicating states across a wide area of points with differing requirements for output data.

Speculation: From what I know there is a considerable amount of work going on considering my heart, along the lines of placing in certain stopgap measures to prevent it exceeding certain parameters [it works btw.] However, I have had heart check-ups in the past on many occasions to check I wasn't going to develop a certain heart syndrome, which revealed there was nothing wrong except for a slightly stretched valve; which was apparently nothing to worry about, not too unusual.

However, I need to work out what that entity is, as I need to build up a proper entity type system. Fore, how do you go about identifying the difference between a spirit [any type], and an ET when it is working remotely? [well, I think its working remotely.]

Fore
12-18-2012, 08:32 AM
Excerpt from a PM:

By the way, after I answer some of Pontifs neglected questions, there was a second theory that came to mind after I figured out what I was doing wrong in the telepathy experiments.

The second theory was how, or why, it was easier to communicate with the ET in general than other normal human beings. I kept wondering what was actually different and why human beings are harder to send signals to than an ET.

I came to the conclusion that night there has to be something in common between "us" and not other in other regular human beings. That led me to ask a different question:

If I were them (the ET) what would I do to make Telepathy alot easier in a human being?

At that point I had a brilliant series of thoughts come into focus as I tried to think of it completely logically and come up with my own solution based on what I would have done. I came to the conlcusion if I were them I would make an artificial psychic bond. Then, I thought, I would also design something to help me target an individual no matter where they were in relative distance.

That's when I internally thought up the idea of making a piece of artificial influence (an influence center) and attaching it to some physical substance. Then put that inside of people and use their field like a big antenna to boost a signal. It would make it much easier to communicate telepathically than perhaps someone without it.

(Then it clicked that an Alien Implant fits the profile I described myself)


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Then it occurred to me, if I designed a piece of solid material to host an artificial influence center to it..like a human body hosts an interconnect...that would make perfect sense. In the course of thinking it suddenly occurred to me that if I didn't bond the artificial influence to something physical what would prevent it from being absorbed or destroyed by someones normal field and body interactions?

etc.

Fore
12-18-2012, 08:50 AM
My hypothesis is that an Alien implant (at least some of them) might just be a tiny shard that acts as a "host body" for an artificial influence center.

When it is embedded inside of a persons "influence field", (psychic field) it could perhaps pick up on the ongoing feed of data in a persons field. Perhaps it would be capable of non-locally transmitting whatever data it picks up right back to...?wherever?... without going through the human beings natural interconnect and up their normal upper consciousness.

This made me wonder if these devices are not so disimilar than tracking beacons that people put on dolphins and whales to track their movements and body vs water temperature?

Except I wonder if the ET version can actually re-transmit the psychic datastream of an abductees ongoing experience as it happens.

It might also be used like a resonator to boost a weak signal. Like perhaps the noise people pick up in their ears is the implanted device responding to a weak "wake up" signal that then gives positional information for where an abductee or contactee is at.

This may explain why foreign ET outside my group may probably have been able to locate where I was in the world.

Perhaps these implant things come with different presets that never overlap?

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Anyway, it would make for an en-genius and yet simple design.

If this is so, then perhaps the reason why ear ringings happen (sometimes) just before an intervention is because someone is asking our private tag where it is at. The tag/implant then probably uses our personal field strength and produces at strong signal.

It would also make it 10 times easier to locate exactly where an abductee is and even up to assist in generating a telepathic signal inside their head.

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Anyway, I think that post is smashed together and compacted with tons of thoughts and ideas. But I thought I should mention it before I forget the idea.

Fore
12-19-2012, 01:57 AM
I was reading through the Telepathy thread and had an interesting thought: With the normal human imagination is it the higher mind effectively creating the imagery at the organic level to create the effect, or is it the lower level creating the effect from scratch? It's just that it seemed like a potential chicken and egg problem that I thought you'd have a bit more insight on.I think I have discussed it before, my take on it is that the Higher Mind is throwing out content unto a canvas and the lower mind is busy making sense of it and formatting it to fit "Earthly conventions".

In my group there is a small phrase that I used with the ET to signify between us the subtle ideas behind what they considered to be the process of the brain reorganizing information in it's own learned conventions.

Not sure how to put it.

They held this idea that the brain weaves together relationships between references and forms one picture. Hopefully you will understand what I mean.

Their version is much more technical than my version. In their version the brain creates or synthesizes concepts out of pieces of data that it understand as coherent information (organic level association). They talk about how it strings together vague values and makes one complete picture.

I've seen that concept mentioned on TV so I assume they can't be that far off the mark on that.

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Anyway, as a fictitious example, if you imagine your higher and lower mind like an hour glass, at the center, the two (conceptually) merge. The concept they told me over the years is that the brain is like a relationship engine, it take data and makes sense of it in an organic sense. (routines)

The Higher Mind is not designed the same way. (much more of a mystery)

Dreams seem to be content that pours out from your Higher Minds' structures and the fields that are alongside your head. (like a temporary buffer of ambient field memory)

I have always assumed and accepted that dreams occur when your lower organic mind stops taking in as much data as normal from your peripheral sense. That lack of sensation just triggers you to pay attention more attention to the content that higher structures feed back and the field data on the surrounding areas of your head.

Like an Idle Organic Processor it (the organic brain) takes all that data and starts chompin' on it and recreates relationships in the information coming from meanderings of a higher mind. It creates environments, people, objects that it has been programmed by. It sees conventions in nature and previous experience of applied processing.

Some stuff that it cannot fully process becomes the oddities in dreams and so it comes out not so fully processed.

This sorta makes the brain the rationalist render. While the Higher Mind is like the massive collection of swirling information that leaks downward either by intention or not.

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The ET see it in a much more technical way and that is fine for them but I think of it slightly differently.

Anyway, in this case your dream is at the center of the two halves of the (proverbial) hourglass. The top is the pipeline of your higher parts, and the lower half is the organic side and it's mental earthly equivalent.

Your higher mind doesn't understand time in the same sense your organic side does. Your organic brain is specialized in treating datasets as "organically rational" bits of data. It makes things "fit". Like what happens in your dream. I know that a nuero-surgeon would disagree with me LOL, but that is the best set of expressions I can come up with to explain a complicated dance of processes.

If you didn't understand something just ask. I am not the best presenter.

montalk
12-19-2012, 03:09 AM
Anyway, in this case your dream is at the center of the two halves of the (proverbial) hourglass. The top is the pipeline of your higher parts, and the lower half is the organic side and it's mental earthly equivalent.

That sounds similar to the lower/higher mind interface. Is the interface an artificial, precise, permanent kind of dream then?

What I mean is, if you simply imagine or visualize something casually, it's never as real looking and independent in your head as if you were to fall asleep and dream it. So when you talk about creating an interface that the higher mind can communicate through, that can even overlay your physical vision like a heads-up-display, this seems closer to how dreams work than casual imagination.



If this is so, then perhaps the reason why ear ringings happen (sometimes) just before an intervention is because someone is asking our private tag where it is at. The tag/implant then probably uses our personal field strength and produces at strong signal.

It would also make it 10 times easier to locate exactly where an abductee is and even up to assist in generating a telepathic signal inside their head.


One thing that supports this, is the existence of people who have never had an ear ringing in their life. Even if they're talking to someone like me who is monitored, they just don't ever get one. If ear ringing is simple as a psychic scan with nothing else required, then anyone could get them. In which case, the division shouldn't be so noticeable between those who've never had it, and those who get it frequently. So you may be on to something.

Neuru
12-20-2012, 02:16 PM
That sounds similar to the lower/higher mind interface. Is the interface an artificial, precise, permanent kind of dream then?

What I mean is, if you simply imagine or visualize something casually, it's never as real looking and independent in your head as if you were to fall asleep and dream it. So when you talk about creating an interface that the higher mind can communicate through, that can even overlay your physical vision like a heads-up-display, this seems closer to how dreams work than casual imagination.The part I bolded is an interesting topic in itself. Some people have the ability to do exactly that. Some time ago I read up on many anecdotal reports concerning imagination and, to keep it short, my (not nearly 100% sure) conclusion was that those who have the ability to imagine awake at nearly the same quality as in a dream most probably actually have the ability to rapidly enter a kind of trance state at will. Then, there are also (not scientific) sources that link imagination vividness with the individual's ability to concentrate, it's probably more complicated than that.

Related links: absorption (wiki article) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_%28psychology%29), fantasy-prone personality (wiki article) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_prone_personality), this paper (shows how differences in this ability are visible in brain scans) (http://eaglemanlab.net/papers/CuietalVividnessVisionRes2007.pdf).

Fore
12-21-2012, 07:58 AM
That sounds similar to the lower/higher mind interface. Is the interface an artificial, precise, permanent kind of dream then? Sharp as always. :)

I would not say that it is any kind of "dream" in any sense. As you aren't asleep, and you mind isn't meandering at all in the lower/higher mind interface. I would say that the artificial interfaces used by the ET and people like me are more like a form of precisely controlled cognition. The ET and people like me use our lower and higher components *together* like a structured interface.

When the two (upper and lower) portions of a person begin to talk as a whole, the whole experience of a controlled cognition takes shape. No longer do you have to rely on peripheral senses to add *useful* information about the environment.

Decisions can start to be made without respecting the organic standards of collecting information. Cause and effect take on a new meaning if your higher cognition is actively communicating with your lower cognition to form decision based on information you would not otherwise be able to receive through organic level observations.


What I mean is, if you simply imagine or visualize something casually, it's never as real looking and independent in your head as if you were to fall asleep and dream it. Correct, but think of why it appears to be more real when you are asleep. A different state of mind is engaged and your brain is operating differently. Most of the content in a dream is mentally driven, only a given portion of any given dream is using or simulating peripheral sensations while you are asleep.

Imagine if you took those natural cognitive features such as the capacity to dream or process peripheral information from your physical senses that is provided by your platform:
1) Cut out the altered states that the brain goes through in a full dream state.
2) Cut out the sensory disconnect through the act of sleeping.
3) Cut out the act of any sleeping.

Then:

1) Reduce or eliminate the noise level of ambient thoughts creeping up until it becomes a stillness that is pitch perfect. (A [very] clear state of mind)
2) Introduce both mental and body level stimulation via the filament structures and underlying interconnect.

What you experience is not a dream but a control series of stimulus that act on the body to introduce data and structured presentations into your organic platform.

Your mental and physical sensations are no longer simply passive collections of sensory data that you simply experience. Instead your higher components become and active participant in using those organic features to introduce all sorts of information types that could not normally be perceived by physical organs alone.


So when you talk about creating an interface that the higher mind can communicate through, that can even overlay your physical vision like a heads-up-display, this seems closer to how dreams work than casual imagination.

Sort of, you just aren't using your dreaming functions.

A simple mental directive that bridges the two halves can solicit higher functions to manipulated lower functions.

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Such as, for example, wanting to know, how tall is the person in front of me? (Instructions: Format in inches and present as a "pre-verbal" instructions to be presented in a lower cognitive format)

Answer: The answer then pops in as requested into your cognition. As a non-intrusive interaction.

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Lets say you need to know, whether someone is lying?

Tell your higher cognition to scan the individual in front of you and merge your field passively. (Instructions: Access the information in that persons field and cue when the person lies by sending mental level cues when a confirmed lie is stated based on targets field contents. Further designate why any of the following statements are a lie as it happens (near real time))

Answer, a series of mental impressions are formed within the lower mental frame work as each response or statement is given by the individual you are communicating with. As false statements are come across the triggers in your mind become apparent.

Secondary directives can then be issued to higher functions which you can then specifically ask why X and Y statement is false. Identify the reason why it is a false series of statements.

Answer, Several dozens points of detailed references are then pointed out in your mental cognition with details and facts. Possibly with your higher mind signaling that it will need to actively manipulate the field of the individual in order to gain more accurate information.

You give permission to actively access a foreign individuals field data and actively query their higher structures for specific answer. (Permission to perform "Active Mind Reading")

(The persons mind starts to feel weird or they experience sharp headaches as their field comes under your control and their organic level structures begin to process requests for extra field data. Mind Reading.

Answer, Details begin to pop up as the conversation progresses detailing what happened at any specific reference point. As the backstory fills in over several seconds you attention is slightly divided between their statements and the incoming clarifications.

Once a concise backstory is formed, you can then confront the individual on their false statement (much to their surprise) and then engage them on what was false and why, including reading back to them the situations as detailed by the individuals higher mind.

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Another simpler example, Question posed to your own higher mind:

What is the distance and direction to my car in this parking lot I am unfamiliar with. Please provide the correct direction and distance and any guiding cues. Overlay it on my physical eyesight and lower mental cognition as impressions.

Answer, ESP data starts to flow in with a direction to follow as well as distance in a cognitive measurement of your choosing. You want to see faint impressions as to which direction so you can follow it. Therefore your organic level peripheral processing is accessed by your higher structures and is manipulated to generate controlled feedback that allows you to see the position information as a "controlled hallucination". When you arrive at your vehicle you signify you don't need any more assistance and the phenomena immediately disappears.

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etc. etc etc.

[B]Special Notes: This is stuff that would be unfamiliar to most folks in the UFO community. The general experience is not that structured in that direction I'd imagine.

So for the many members reading this, don't worry about it. It should sound pretty foreign and alien to those outside certain circles.

Just keep in mind the same techniques are used to locate abductees when they are hiding in their closet or in their bedroom during an abduction. Finding you car, your keys, or an abductee falls in the same bin. Walls don't occult very much when an ET is standing outside a house.

Keep in mind you higher mind is not using eyes like what is in your skull to gather information about the environment.


One thing that supports this, is the existence of people who have never had an ear ringing in their life. Even if they're talking to someone like me who is monitored, they just don't ever get one. If ear ringing is simple as a psychic scan with nothing else required, then anyone could get them. In which case, the division shouldn't be so noticeable between those who've never had it, and those who get it frequently. So you may be on to something.I have several thoughts on this, but I will hold off until later.

Sorry it took so long, I had a lot to do. (And still do)

Fore
12-21-2012, 08:04 AM
The part I bolded is an interesting topic in itself. Some people have the ability to do exactly that. Some time ago I read up on many anecdotal reports concerning imagination and, to keep it short, my (not nearly 100% sure) conclusion was that those who have the ability to imagine awake at nearly the same quality as in a dream most probably actually have the ability to rapidly enter a kind of trance state at will. Then, there are also (not scientific) sources that link imagination vividness with the individual's ability to concentrate, it's probably more complicated than that.

Related links: absorption (wiki article) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_%28psychology%29), fantasy-prone personality (wiki article) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_prone_personality), this paper (shows how differences in this ability are visible in brain scans) (http://eaglemanlab.net/papers/CuietalVividnessVisionRes2007.pdf).Just keep in mind, if you have a well developed psychic field you can control your body from the outside as well as the body of anyone else you can readily affect.

If your doctors internal field is affect able, you could make his arms go numb on (mental command). Or futz with their field patterns that control vascular functions.

The same is true of your own body when you use your own field on the organic chemistry and physics.

I know that normal psychics try to induce strange brain states by listening to sound and pulsed lights or whatever. But it isn't necessary if your overall system is integrated at several levels from the higher structures to the lower structures.

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In a very funny sense, you are technically having telepathy with yourself if you really think about it. Well, sorta....~~~

Fore
12-21-2012, 09:53 PM
Sharp as always. :)

I would not say that it is any kind of "dream" in any sense. As you aren't asleep, and your mind isn't meandering at all in the lower/higher mind interface. I would say that the artificial interfaces used by the ET and people like me are more like a form of precisely controlled cognition. The ET and people like me use our lower and higher components *together* like a structured interface.

When the two (upper and lower) portions of a person begin to talk as a whole, the whole experience of a controlled cognition takes shape. No longer do you have to rely solely on peripheral senses to add *useful* information about the environment. Typo fix. I have idiosynchracies (probably a crossed neuron somewhere!) that flips my you to your and vice versa. Sorry about that.

Fore
12-21-2012, 10:37 PM
@ Montalk

By the way, I wanted to add that there are folks that believe the entire thing I described above (of active mind reading) is somehow a "transcendental"/Divine affair. I do not know why?

It is very simple and common use of psychic abilities. Nothing all that fancy or all that amazing.

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In the same vein as your previous conversations from a month or two ago. I thought I should bring up that the HOE (Higher Order Entities) and the "Holy Ghost" appear to communicate farther up the higher components.

While ET seem to connect at lower points in the higher components that makes up a person. Usually targeting the lower mind functions (mental level functions) or targeting the body and it's peripheral processing.

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When people say that they know the anatomy of what comprises a person, I would keep on your toes. There are alot of components on the higher functions side than most people readily realize. There are more than even I know of.

I have always been observant when the HOE interact and have long noticed that their access methodology is not the same as that of an ET. There are differences.

I thought this would be prudent to bring to your attention since you have written up some long articles into the concepts of demiurgic (sp?) technologies and how they were used in the past. If you look into it I am sure you may find odd particularity in the accounts of ancient people.

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It is also true that there are invisible components that extend far into a regular persons higher components. The parts that makes them, "Them" and gives them unique spiritual feature sets...just like what is afforded by an organic platform.

These are pretty obscure points that would be hard to find anyone else to relate to, let alone even recognize.

Anyway, when I see people talk about the interconnected nature of humanity with some greater...:"thing". I feel it is false/inaccurate that people assume that there is some kind of meaningful interconnected-ness between people.

It all depends on the specific context that someone makes the claim. In certain circumstances it is true to a certain extent. To other extents it is pretty false.

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If I were to say:

All computers have eithernet ports. (pun intended)

I would say sorta true.

If I were to say:

All computers with ethernet ports have an ethernet cable....that would be false......at least some of the time.

If I were to say:

All computers are therefore connected to the internet all of the time....that would be false....at least some of the time. (Or in humanities case, alot of the time)

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In essence what I am saying is that there are gray areas (the color) where this is true and yet false at the same time.

People are not as interconnected as the new agers believe them to be.
People are not perpetually connected to God as the new agers also believe. (Though this does not mean they can't "plug the cable in" some of the time. It also does not mean the "ether-cable" is perpetually connected in most individuals all of the time..as in...around the clock.

I use the ether-cable and port as a form of simplifying [pun] on what I mean to say.

There are some out there who are quacks and believe strange things without actually knowing. Usually it is because they listen to the wrong people [or entity] or simply don't know any better. (Or don't have the experience to know any better)

Fore
12-21-2012, 10:52 PM
@ Montalk

I also think alot of people can't distinguish that controlled interfaces do not exist "anywhere" except when the higher functions of a person renders it into existence in the lower mind of a person. (Like the infamous "hall of records".)

It could be said that an immersion (as in full immersion) styled interface (like a trance) would be like that of a dream.

The content and data presented is based on real ESP data. Though that does not mean it is a place "somewhere" or in a higher plane "over there, somewhere".

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I don't deal with full immersion techniques though.

The types I was taught and instructed on were based on conscious interactions.

montalk
12-23-2012, 07:55 AM
What you experience is not a dream but a control series of stimulus that act on the body to introduce data and structured presentations into your organic platform.

Thanks for the info. So if I understand you correctly, the higher mind splices into your mental and sensory circuits to give you properly structured information through them, in response to your queries.

And if your psychic structures are developed, then this happens while you are fully awake and alert, rather than needing to be in a dream or trance state.

And dreams are another way in which the Higher Mind data can percolate into the lower mind, but that method lacks the fidelity, lucidity, directness, and reliability of the fully awake method you were taught.

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Alright, so a few questions come to mind, addressed to you and anyone else with input:

1) The interface you're supposed to develop alongside your activation routines, is that something you yourself invent according to your preferences, or does the higher mind construct it for you?

2) What are the key factors that ensure two-way coupling between the higher and lower mind via the interface, is it just the psychic structures being sufficiently developed?

3) Consider one person who has lots of precognitive, prophetic, objective dreams. Another has mundane dreams that stem from unsorted memory fragments, emotional issues, biological sensory data, and so on. Any guesses on why the difference? Do you think both dreamers are getting streams from their higher minds, just that the second has a higher mind polluted with junk? Or might the second actually be disconnected from the higher mind?

4) And lastly, have you noticed any changes in dream content when you were psychically activated versus shut down? I don't mean like being able to tell who's in the room while dreaming, but like the actual story / dreamscape / info / meaning of the dream itself.


I also think alot of people can't distinguish that controlled interfaces do not exist "anywhere" except when the higher functions of a person renders it into existence in the lower mind of a person. (Like the infamous "hall of records".)

Good point. It should be a given that what's seen in these realms is a symbolic interpretation rather than a literal depiction. I once knew a psychic who took what she received a bit too literally. One time, during a reading she got images of dolphins and a wall of water, so she concluded the client was a dolphin in a past life who helped part the Red Sea with its flippers so that the Israelites could cross to safety. I'm not kidding.


In the same vein as your previous conversations from a month or two ago. I thought I should bring up that the HOE (Higher Order Entities) and the "Holy Ghost" appear to communicate farther up the higher components.

While ET seem to connect at lower points in the higher components that makes up a person. Usually targeting the lower mind functions (mental level functions) or targeting the body and it's peripheral processing.

Thanks for those posts on the Holy Ghost, Higher Mind, and HOEs. I hadn't considered the higher mind being like the branches of a tree fanning upwards, with the lower mind being like the roots spreading out downwards. There must be some serious complexity going on up there.

I wonder why aliens don't deal much with the higher portions of the higher mind … maybe it's off limits to them and guarded by the HOEs? Maybe they don't comprehend it? Maybe their influence-type range just doesn't extend far enough to intersect with it? Reminds me of the movie Dark City where the Strangers were trying to figure out the soul/spirit but couldn't get it.


I have always been observant when the HOE interact and have long noticed that their access methodology is not the same as that of an ET. There are differences.

Then I have to ask, what did you observe about their methodology that was different?

Btw, no worries about delayed replies, I understand and am busy too.

A99
12-23-2012, 03:03 PM
Thanks for writing that up! Your writing has much more clarity than Fore's sometimes on his own material. Or rather, it's good to get an interpretation/extrapolation of what he's saying sometimes for more clarity.

montalk
12-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Thanks for writing that up! Your writing has much more clarity than Fore's sometimes on his own material. Or rather, it's good to get an interpretation/extrapolation of what he's saying sometimes for more clarity.

What's clear is how I explain my own interpretation of it. The downside is that my interpretation may not always be accurate or the full picture as Fore understands it. If we were all telepathic we wouldn't have to wave our hands around with language hoping to get at least some fragments of our thoughts across. That's why I ask for feedback to get corrections/expansion because there's always more to it than any simplified statements I can make.

Another thing is that Fore-speak is actually more clear and accurate for describing the concepts and phenomena he has experience with -- if you are familiar and comfortable with it. Just like how medical speak is clearer and more precise to those in the profession. Just that since my background includes traditional occult/mysticism ideas and terminology, which you are familiar with, you might pick up more from my writing due to the overlap.

Anyway, back to the discussion...

Fore
12-28-2012, 09:04 AM
Thanks for the info. So if I understand you correctly, the higher mind splices into your mental and sensory circuits to give you properly structured information through them, in response to your queries. Correct.


And if your psychic structures are developed, then this happens while you are fully awake and alert, rather than needing to be in a dream or trance state. The wording of your statement makes my agreement iffy.

Here is why (I just need to point this [legalese] out):
"And if your psychic structures are developed, then this happens while you are fully awake and alert,"

It's true, that because my psychic structures are developed I can perform the above techniques while fully awake and alert. It also means I can do it while in the midst of sleep.

So to be very specific, it's not so much the presence of the structures by themselves...as the structures themselves being fully functional that allows me to build and use an interface for effective communication between the upper and lower half of myself.

So that means it doesn't matter too much if my brain is in the middle of a state of sleep or a fully conscious and awake state....as my higher structures are unaffected (IMO and in my observations) by the state of the lower mind and body. That part lays beyond that boundary and is therefore unaffected.

That means effectively this:
If you had an ET to test on, or a hybrid, or someone [allegedly] modified like me. They would (if they reached the same level of competence) be aware of their environment regardless of what their lower halfs' current state is.

We can control our interface whether in the middle of sleep or while fully awake. So if you approached one of the above types you would notice that it notices your approach regardless of whether it is in the middle of a snooze or not.

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Normal [run of the mill] psychics seem to gravitate towards an altered consciousness as a means of control. They can't or don't know how to build a functional interface. (Knowledge is the problem)

So they tend to resort to altered states (drugs, rituals, etc) to achieve an enhanced level of control. Whereas the above three types do not (or should not) require it.

Functional structures without an interface of some kind is like the wheels of your car without a motor to drive it somewhere. The two pieces have to come together to make things work.

So your statement should read:
"And if your psychic structures and higher interface are fully developed, then this happens while you are fully awake and alert, rather than needing to be in a dream or trance state."

Then this is Correct.

Sorry I have to be very specific about this, I just don't want you to gather any wrong impressions. You can have a person who has fully developed structures (freak of nature as in some PK cases) but no control interface.

Meaning they will have the ability, but no actual control over the process. An unconscious trigger or a reflex beyond their control in their higher mind may trigger an event.


And dreams are another way in which the Higher Mind data can percolate into the lower mind, True.


but that method lacks the fidelity, lucidity, directness, and reliability of the fully awake method you were taught. No, not exactly. It depends on the application.

Point 1:
Some ET depend on controlled dream states in order to convey a situation that may eventually crop up.

Point 2:
Other ETs may depend on dream states to deliver a payload of information without the subject recalling the event. Likewise they may use a dream state to insert critical information about a situation which remains in a person higher consciousness but (because of biological mechanisms) remain unrecalled and obscured to their conscious mind.

Point 3:
Unconscious states can convey complex scenarios that are otherwise difficult to explain in their scope.

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Examples:

While in a sleep cycle, an ET can connect to you telepathically and alter the dream landscape and introduce itself in an avatar. It can then show you a moment in the near future by manipulating the information within the artificial dream state to replay the moment as seen from your perspective.

Then recommend a different course of action when this moment begins to occur.

Upon waking up, the event usually fades and the conscious recall disappears.

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10 months later as the event occurs, the sights and sounds of the event trigger the memory and you become aware of what is about to happen next as it happens. Then that individual reshapes the event into something more effective or desire-able.

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Another such type is constant communication that can cross into the time allotted for sleeping is a back and forth over "work" being performed with the ET. A message or two from the ET can trigger someone to become lucid and aware while still in the middle of a dream. Interfacing, and then continuing the dreaming process without any sizable interruption.

Another example is utilizing the dream state to form a false approximation of an avatar with which to converse telepathically with the individual about any range of topics while they sleep.

Extended into the waking time of an individuals time if necessary, or vice versa.

Imagine it like having mental teleconferencing that can start and end at any point in time. Asleep or awake.

Fore
12-28-2012, 09:09 AM
Alright, so a few questions come to mind, addressed to you and anyone else with input:

1) The interface you're supposed to develop alongside your activation routines, is that something you yourself invent according to your preferences, or does the higher mind construct it for you? A little of both.

In my case part of it was my preferences between my two halves. My higher mind prefers some types of exchanges. Other biological considerations though make it impossible for my lower mind to handle all of the data all of the time. The higher components don't sleep, while the lower half does rest.

So the two halves have to agree on what is ultimately useful, efficient, practical and reasonable.

Beyond that some part of the interface were built with help from the Advisor and other parts were made by myself.


2) What are the key factors that ensure two-way coupling between the higher and lower mind via the interface, is it just the psychic structures being sufficiently developed? That is an entire post in itself. A bit deep.

I am gonna have to comb through all the various issues and then type it all up. (To be continued)...

Fore
01-05-2013, 06:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PS24bef_J8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJThU1jDT2o


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC-Je_Nt6Cs

Fore
01-05-2013, 10:04 AM
@ Montalk/Pontif /All others

The next series of posts will answer Montalks questions but also tie together different segments together. I will try my best to keep it simple. The top three videos are the best sources that mysteriously <cough ahem> fell into my lap a few minutes before I posted them.

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Uploaded on May 3, 2011
"Dr. Quantum" = Fred Alan Wolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Alan_Wolf
The whole talk: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_srch_drd_B00339CIE6?ie=UTF8&field-keyword...

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By the way, ironically, This guy Fred Alan Wolf seems to hold some kind of association with Jack Sarfatti. I recall Jack had an association with Dan Smith. Small world, eh?

The "elephant" in the third video is basically the "Higher Mind". The guy is basically going over a series of scientific observations that puzzle them. Of course, as a reader of this thread and the ones that preceded this thread up to this point, this should not really be all that "mysterious" anymore. Actually kind of expected.

Keep in mind in the last video especially that the man does not yet understand what an interconnect is, how it works or how it binds the lower and the higher components in a person. Nor how the influence in that interconnect transmits information back and forth. He is puzzled by the first impulses to direct our human [organic] half (the lower components).

The first and second video basically goes over the physics that scientist have understood so far and some philosophical "bigger questions" raised by it all.

They don't yet have the influence as a modeled medium. A sort of "sub-space" or "substrate" attached to physical reality that can transmit information and state information across vast distances. That "state" information can even be observed across the axis of time. From the past to the future and future to the past.

The current scientific model portrays time as a bidirectional process. (Forward time and Time in reverse.)

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Due to this "influence" that exists right along side physical space and time. It is responsible for what psychics can sense, like what occurred in an environment in the past, present or future. Through the application of more than one methodology they [psychics] can gain access to information about what physical state and environment was at any given point (well in theory anyway). It also verifies why ESP exists as a feature of psychic abilities.

Hint:
Reading Past tense influence states can be done by reading remnant influence "shards" that are still encoded with environmental or processed information. Such as what human beings give off when they experience their environment. They naturally exude and embed such patterns of influence in their day to day activities. Their clothes, shoes, the walls of the building all get coated with tiny fragments that can be touched with sensitive ESP and played back like a fragmented recording.

The other (more advanced) way I suppose is specifically targeting a given time frame of that influence environment. Rather than searching the present state you "simply" target the state the environment was at on a certain time segment and then read the complete data set via ESP in it's entirety. (A form of RV in case anyone wondering about that)

Reading the present state of an environment is what normal low end psychics usually achieve without much help. The higher end psychics thought might want to target an environment beyond their immediate physical surroundings. Such as retrieving the state of influence at a particular location at your Boyfriends house or that of your Girl Friend or your Employer.

Reading present tense information about the (non-local) environment is usually referred to as RV (Remote Viewing), RP (Remote Presence). While reading the immediate environment, such as SRI cue cards in front of you would be considered just ESP. (though all of it is ESP just applied in different ways)

Reading future tense information is just targeting the right environment at a different time frame. What the environment looks like in 1 months time. Or what people are emitting in 10 days from present time.

This is somewhat a secret for the ET. Awareness of such capabilities is usually not disclosed for all manner of reasons.

If you told the Admins that somebody non-human, they'd never even met knows what each of them dreamt of last night it would freak them out quite a bit. Or even utilize the Admins emissions of "processed" cognitive data to snoop in on what they write/speak/know of/or relate to each other. (Also called Remote Presence and Mind Reading)

Then the [hopefully] observant would ask, well if they can observe the cognitive data....can't they also modify it?

I would then look at them and say "You said it, not I!" ;) :bleh::angel_not:

It would probably freak people out if someone like me were to openly testify that ET generally know what the forums key folks thoughts are like at different present and future time frames and plan accordingly in their silent but real myriad of interventions. To put things in place the way they'd like it.

I would also turn around and say over my shoulder....

"Oh, did you know the ET usually pay you a visit the day before something significant is set to occur? Yes, even before you have formed the thought to utter some key situation in the present, if they become aware of your role in events they will intervene to silently steer a community away from it. You'd be surprised what they can do as they both observe a situation non-locally and alter what they observe.

Oh and if you think they have to put themselves in some kind of ?trance state? like a human psychic, you'd be quite wrong. For them, it usually as easy as breathing.

If you actually knew what goes on, you'd be pretty disturbed to see them do it day in and out. Even in situations where they don't really need to do it."

(Unfortunately, I am strapped of actual people who will make those connections, so I have to play the part myself, sorry! <a deep shrug and sigh at the same time>)

pontificator
01-09-2013, 11:38 AM
@Fore, okay lets say I actually want to perform a procedure I mentioned a *long* time ago. The situation is this, I am in a crowd and wish to skip through quickly, to do this I'm thinking that it might be neat to make a spider that is crawling along the ground seemingly speak. Now we all know that the reality is that it will be the illusion of the spider talking by using audible telepathy [as opposed to utilizing the non-biological layer.]

What would the procedure be, from start to finish, to make this happen at the biological level? [I'm feeling mischievous today, and the ET would no doubt be absolutely "ecstatic" with this "exciting development".]

I'm also dealing with the matter of the entity I'm nicknamed mosaic, it's proving a bit difficult to nail down exactly what it is, but I have noticed it is getting seriously uppity about checking up on what I'm doing. A few nights back it turned up suddenly, after being absent a couple of days, and rammed my field to absolute full before settling on the field to get to work. Now, what exactly it is doing is eluding me, but there seems to be a degree of urgency and I'm taking the time to carefully observe the effects [for some reason I still get the impression it is a physical entity, and what little I've observed of its thinking and responses to being prodded does not strike me as it being a human based entity {it gets seriously miffed if I suggest anything negative about it's work ethic}.]

Fore
01-11-2013, 07:17 AM
@ Pontif

I wanted you to check this out:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/kotoura-san/episode-1-kotoura-san-and-manabe-kun-617183

I found it interesting (and saddening) as well as touching when I was skimming through the stuff coming out this season.

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I'll finish with Montalk and you in a bit. Got a long list of things to do at the computer today.

pontificator
01-11-2013, 11:05 AM
@Fore, that was incredibly depressing for the first half. I must admit I've not exactly been very good at making friends myself, but that is a different matter entirely [and trying to form any kind of relationship with the opposite sex has been an absolute disaster, like a train wreak followed by the survivors being trampled by drunk elephants; It usually takes about a couple of months of careful thinking, and picking through all the memories to work out exactly what went wrong, and what they were most likely really thinking [ I'm not exactly the brightest bulb in the pack when it comes to these things, a general affliction that comes with what happened to me when I was younger.]

Fore
01-12-2013, 04:14 PM
2) What are the key factors that ensure two-way coupling between the higher and lower mind via the interface, is it just the psychic structures being sufficiently developed?

There are a number of things:

--Neurological formations (according to the ET repeated comments) determines the effectiveness of "hard wiring" the two systems together. I was told some people have genetic traits that allow for the process to form properly. (Probably why there are some correlations in genetics and some of the ET experiments)

Without neurological formations the ET told me a long time ago that normal brain development would cause serious degradation in "neurological performances".

In other words, you have to be "special" biologically. I was told numerous times they can re-adapt the whole "process chain" and the subsequent connections to some degree, but I was told that normal [genetics] in average people would result in inconsistent experiences.

They told me there was ~choppy~ or half-formed cognitive manipulation that would result or be ineffective in the normal population.

The best way to tell you what that means is by expressing what they told me many years ago, over and over again. That it would be like stuttering and inconsistent neurological level feedback. The whole symphony wouldn't work quite right.

In other words, genetics play a role in brain formation (according to them at least) and unique brain formation can be readily adapted to experience higher feedback vis the psychic structures.

Like an electrical plug that goes with the socket. If it doesn't match up, it doesn't work right.

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On the side of the higher components, you have the psychic structures and the interconnect and a numerous other components that go higher than that.

On the biological side, there are components such as the brain which has to form in key ways, That is governed by genetics. Though, they said a few times that supposedly just because a human individual has the genetics structures does not mean they actually will form properly.

They said that was one of the reason why they had to check my head every so often to make sure the entire thing was working properly.

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They explained at a young age that genetics (long before I knew what genetics even meant) define what the probability will be that the formations occur in a certain order as formations grow in the brain. They said that chance is was still an issue and they said they needed to keep checking on it and running different kinds of tests.

They also said it was mainly a connectivity issue where different irregularities (by our standard) allows for certain functionality that enhances the psychic processing of information at a biological level.

They said the issues were mainly about one part of the brain communicating with another when stimulated in a certain way. They told me several times over the years that they could manually reconnect and adjust the [non-physical splices] of pathways to different regions as needed but they couldn't really do too much to alter the way the brain forms. They said I could think of it like a number of different trees that grow firmly together over time. Depending on how it forms it makes psychic stimulation probable and coherent.

Wheras in a normal person with the wrong connections the stimulation would just be a sort of interference and incoherent transference of information. They said the stimulation could even result in biological electrical storms as the stimulation doesn't work right.

-----------Another point I just recalled them saying-----------

They said that many people they try the experience on go insane over time because they told me how I handled it psychologically and in my psyche defines how effective I was.

They said there are many people who slowly become deranged because they can't handle the stimulation correctly in their minds and the feedback from the higher components becomes detrimental.

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Another point I recall was them saying they could embed artificial psychic structures which they made for these projects. They said that when they put them in they would re-adapt some of my higher functions so that it would be easier on my biological galf. They said some of the inconsistent issues would disappear and it would allow me better performance.

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There is also the issue of making the higher to lower "interface" itself which is (as you've probably guessed it) arbitrary and customized to your personal preferences.

Beyond that, you need to learn how to control that interface to the degree that you are comfortable with the level of stimulation. As they explained/warned that there were limits to biology that wasn't present in my higher components.

For example, you learn early on how to turn off the higher-feedback or turn it down enough that you can live a normal life. Otherwise, like when I was very young, others emotions and thinking starts to creep in because you are receptive and overly sensitive to others emissions.

It is like an incoming "noise" of processed cognition from another consciousness. Such as from those of [Human] people you see on a day to day basis, You start to pick up on their thoughts and emotions without a real level of control to block it out.

Imagine if your mind and body were so overly sensitive to psychic data that you processed emissions from not just yourself but from others around you. People tend to call that emphatic. Though it is really just being overly sensitive to others emissions.

So you need the proper coping mechanism on a lower-mind level to know what is someone elses and what is yours. Otherwise your own cognition becomes murky in the depths of whoever is nearby.

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The ET taught me that the human mind and it's biological side is not capable of coping with inconsistent stimulation. They said that half coherent stimulation would lead to insanity if they didn't correct it for me and teach me how to control it like they did. (which is what they taught me)


If you need more details or specific data please feel free to let me know.

montalk
01-12-2013, 11:39 PM
If you need more details or specific data please feel free to let me know.

I understand now, thanks for clarifying all these points.

Btw, I've had the dreamtime "payload drops" before. It felt like being caught in a telepathic tractor beam of sorts, where the whole experience was being guided and constructed in an efficient and elegant way to convey some important idea. Similar to, but not as crude and quick, as when some negative nonphysical entity tries to jack in and create a nightmare. In either case, I can sense in the back of my mind the presence, basic nature, and intent of whatever it is that's honing in on me.

Years ago when moderating my forum, I was getting psychically scanned a lot, and as a result became mildly activated. During that time, my dreams became more precognitive as well. Same at OMF from time to time. When I quit the forum, much of that activity ceased. Ear ringings and clicks reduced to 10% of what they were, and dream precognition also subsided. In joining this forum, as a side experiment I wanted to see if getting scanned again would once more bring up precognitive dreams. Short answer: no.

But that is why I chose my pic as my avatar, to make it easier for lines of association to form. I thought that would not only help the ear ringing experiment, but also increase occurrences of scanning and thus activation, which then ought to impact dream life. Well, that didn't happen. So I tentatively concluded that psychic activation and precognitive dreaming aren't 1:1 correlated, and that they are somewhat separate processes. I don't know what caused the precognitive dreams, other than maybe my preoccupation with worrying about what's going to happen next, somehow passing a command up to my higher mind to feed more of that info to me. I'm not as concerned with the immediate future now, as this forum's a lot calmer.

Fore
01-13-2013, 07:33 AM
Probably because I stopped posting things that concerned different parties.

Not to be self centered or anything like that though.

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I have an strict agreement/understanding with H.O.E. and God not to engage in any psychic activity. Nor to approach or invite the ET into my life or any other form of paranormal presence.

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I have always wondered something which I know is going to grab attention. I have been aching for a few weeks now to see what happens and what can I can do if I don't stop myself or if I don't (with intention) restrict my activities within my normal behavior.

I know the ET have carefully crafted behaviors inside me intended to keep me from crossing an invisible line of what they considered acceptable behavior.

But bringing that attention back unto me and bring the proverbial spotlight back here again has always been enough to keep me on the straight and narrow.

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I always wanted to do something specific which violates so many rules they (ET) enforced unto me and forced me to comply with. They stuffed me full of rules, morals and ethics intended ultimately to keep me from overstepping bounds which would make situations spiral into bigger situations.

For example, I have noticed that when I engage with people on the forum (a small example) for a prolonged period of time that they begin to behave in a way that suggests that I am unconsciously affecting them.

Up to the point that they carry the same thoughts.

As soon as I noticed it happening, I simply pulled back and tried to disconnect myself from the situation and tried not to promote it.

What I have always wanted to do is prove one of two things.

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Does this synchronized behavior occur because I am making connections with them for prolonged periods of time? Am I emitting something which affects people directly?

Or

Is it someone (ET or otherwise) who is scanning a group of people semi-persistently and accidentally contaminating others with the same thought processes?

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Therefore, if I don't stop it, does it actually get worse? If it gets more synchronized, is it because of me or is it because a third party is watching us and is accidentally "leaking thoughtforms" at each person it takes a peek at?

I wanted to know what the answer is, but I am afraid of figuring it out. Because I know it is a temptation that is best left unanswered. My instincts tell me that I should not venture to find out.

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I have always also wanted to continously bombard a person with different spectrums of influence to figure out more precisely (down to a science) why there are certain people who are less visible to me than others.

Again, my instincts tell me it is an answer that I should not try to know.

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Part of me wants to know a number of things which would only increase my capacity to hone my previous abilities to a fine art. Though I also feel these in-capacities are what keeps me safe and "in check" from myself.

Its like being a kid that wants to know if he can climb that really tall hill or not.

Fore
01-13-2013, 10:10 AM
I understand now, thanks for clarifying all these points. For example, I did notice a while back that you put the face of someone. I hadn't thought much of it for more than a few seconds.

What you could have done before to possibly increase the formation of psychic "lines of association" is simply to place something unique that regularly catches the wonderment and focus of an individual.

Lines of association are basically formed by people unconsciously wondering about a person or an object. To a lessor extent also by external proximity and prolonged contact.

The mental wondering itself doesn't cause any lines of association to form without there being psychic output and some form of unconscious targeting.

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Think of the missing pieces of the puzzle as the following:

You might need someone with high enough [psychic] output to persistently ping various destinations ( in this case people of the forum). Thereby making those individual fields react and develop based on that interaction. This is the main catalyst.

Then after each person is pinged every few hours or every few days, they sustain a level of activation. Why? Because each individual [in one way or another] have higher components [psychic ones] that react to the remote presence of an observer.

Thereby making each targeted node more active after each snoop.

Once the nodes are prodded and active enough, they emit low level fields. These fields in turn make them slightly active like an inconsistent psychic activation. This translates to headaches, symptoms of spontaneous psychic abilities, awareness and a sensation of something unknown observing their location or of being "accessed" by some unknown.

Anyway, once the targets are all thoroughly "pinged" that they become active enough to detect psychic targeting, (via lines of association), the individuals own awareness becomes heightened to a limited degree and they experience more paranormal/supernatural events. etc.

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The main issue with your experiment is possibly that there shouldn't be any main catalyst present. No real reason for the "third party observers/ET" to keep pinging the people [also known as "nodes"] on the ground at different regions across a wide area. No specific reason to observe and monitor their separate interactions or developments.

You would require a catalyst which uses remote presence or other psychic talents to target people of interest. The individuals behind the names and avatars.

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The next topic I think will catch the attention of the ET in your direction:

If you think about what I wrote above, you may start to gather the idea that if someone like me, being of lower caliber as a psychic, were to constantly research individuals in a way that is something similar to that of "the third party observers". That perhaps by accident, a lower psychic like myself with might [unconsciously at least] contaminate the contents of others minds.

You might start to get why I "hold back" when I have a thought in my own personal space and see someone else suddenly echo the same thoughts a minute or a day later.

Not just on topics that are in a specific trajectory, but topics that shouldn't come up in the minds of others.

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If I stop talking, the "third party observers" go away. If I turn off my abilities, they turn off. Then there is no one to keep all the nodes in a makeshift psychic network active anymore.

They start to turn off. The only exception being that one of the other nodes (individuals) becomes psychic enough that they take over the roll of either me or a "third party observer".

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In the full interest of personal disclosure, I am sorry but I do not feel "okay". I feel very strange on the inside. It seems that perhaps someone is observing [at least] me personally. I feel something similar to when an ET does active mind reading.

Except minus the symptoms of a proper activation.

Fore
01-13-2013, 10:28 AM
I understand now, thanks for clarifying all these points.

Btw, I've had the dreamtime "payload drops" before. It felt like being caught in a telepathic tractor beam of sorts, where the whole experience was being guided and constructed in an efficient and elegant way to convey some important idea. Similar to, but not as crude and quick, as when some negative nonphysical entity tries to jack in and create a nightmare. In either case, I can sense in the back of my mind the presence, basic nature, and intent of whatever it is that's honing in on me. Yes, like that.


Years ago when moderating my forum, I was getting psychically scanned a lot, and as a result became mildly activated. Yeah, not surprising.

People with Entity attachments (of the paranormal kind) will tend to form those "lines of associations" with other psychics and unwittingly "share" those entities with other psychics.

They (spiritual presences) use these "lines of associations" to move about from person to person. Expanding the places they can visit. I recall you mentioned that in an interview so you already seem to be aware of that aspect. (good interview by the way)


During that time, my dreams became more precognitive as well. Same at OMF from time to time. When I quit the forum, much of that activity ceased. Ear ringings and clicks reduced to 10% of what they were, and dream precognition also subsided. In joining this forum, as a side experiment I wanted to see if getting scanned again would once more bring up precognitive dreams. Short answer: no.

But that is why I chose my pic as my avatar, to make it easier for lines of association to form. I thought that would not only help the ear ringing experiment, but also increase occurrences of scanning and thus activation, which then ought to impact dream life. Well, that didn't happen. So I tentatively concluded that psychic activation and precognitive dreaming aren't 1:1 correlated, and that they are somewhat separate processes. I don't know what caused the precognitive dreams, other than maybe my preoccupation with worrying about what's going to happen next, somehow passing a command up to my higher mind to feed more of that info to me. I'm not as concerned with the immediate future now, as this forum's a lot calmer.
There is something you already strongly suspect.

You seem to have figured it out. That psychic abilities and pre-cognitive features are separate issues. I want to give you a "payload of information" that I am sure will have the ET keeping an eye on you with keen interest.

You seem to have figured out that psychic activation by itself doesn't normally cause pre-cognition.

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If you think about your fields extending from the confines of your immediate body as "an activation". Then, you should understand that this naturally leads to ESP.

;)

But did you know (I claim) that "your" fields are present in other probabilities and time frames?

[NOTE:Keep in mind I use the term "your" very loosely as they aren't exactly yours (the "you" present in this specific probability).]

You probably have read several times in the last few years that your interconnect (via the interconnect centers) pour out your personal influence pattern. Full of your personal signature. So that when these fields leave and overflow into the regions beyond the confines of your skin you begin to sense the environment.

A phantom sensation of the environment via ESP.

But did you know that your interconnect is actually pre-set to capture data from this particular probability? <Fore shows his mischievous smile wondering how long the ET will wait to scan Montalk>

"Normal" ESP only gives your interconnect centers data on what it interacts with. If the interconnect centers are pre-set to filter out all data that isn't perfectly synched with this probability AND axis of timeand location what do you think happens?

Your higher cognition sees only that particular slice of the full width of probabilities/time frames/ and locations.

Fore
01-13-2013, 10:41 AM
So now that I have laid you with interesting ET bait, lets start the clock until how long it takes for them to get a good look at you. (lets hope never)

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Wait, so am I saying that not all psychics with ESP become pre-cognitive? Yep.

Just because someone has ESP, does not necessarily mean they know how to tweak the filters (or simply mess around with them) so that the filtering become less effective.

You can have a talented psychic who can sense the cue cards they use in classic psychic experiments. But ask him who will be in the room the day after tomorrow and he honestly won't know.

He is locked into observing ESP (Extra Sensory Perception) of whatever his personal influence interacts with as it permeates out from his body. If his released spectrum of influence does not interact with the pattern of rubber in the floor mats...it is as if they aren't present.

If his influence does not permeate patterns that represent glass, he has a "blind spot of awareness" in his ESP.

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Whether this psychic knows of it or not, they are unaware of what is happening at different:
Locations like what is beyond a certain distance
or
What is happening at a different time frame in the same room
or
What is happening in a slightly different possibility in the exact same location.

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It is perfectly natural that his interconnect structures would block out all that "irrelevant" data. Either because his external influence cannot interact with different spectrum within the same space/time/probability. Or because he emits a far too narrow range of influence.

Even the ET face this problem to a lessor extent.

Fore
01-13-2013, 10:57 AM
The first evolution of that kind of psychic is asking him to visualize what is in the next room.

Now a room that is absent of his personal influence is technically invisible to him as an observer or unresolved as a perception.

He can sense (Via ESP) what his influence can only interact with. As his external influence interacts with other influence in the same probability/time frame/immediate location. He can resolve what he is interacting with via ESP.

He can sense where a sensation starts and ends. He can resolve it's dimensions and relative distance. With a little more education he can sense indicators of what temperature the room has.

But if someone tells him to target a room 300 feet away, he won't know of the environment beyond that permeating presence.

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So an ET gets involved and schools the novice. The ET shows him how to exercise his interconnect structures to grow in afinity so they can keep a coherent bubble of his personal influence intact till it (linearly) traverses the distance into the room 300 feet away.

At which point he can now tell the researchers what he senses via ESP within that distant room. (Remote Presence)

The ET sits down with him and gives him a lecture to modify his raw emissions into a wide spectra. Suddenly the man now senses rubber and glass structures. With an extra lesson the ET shows him how to increase the resolution of his resolving capacity.

The ET trains him on the basics of why he can only sense certain object if he emits a very narrow spectra of influence from his body. Therefore his ESP resolving capability increases dramatically.

He can now spot bacteria on counter tops by simply directing his focus there. He can memorize what a sandwich looks like vs a burger. The learning of patterns increases.

The ET is pleased.

The ET asks him to resolve how many individuals there are in a cafeteria and what the temperature is and where are the vents in the room?

The psychic man takes off his psychic training wheels and spots uneven corridors of venting air at slightly different temperature signatures than the rest of the environment. Cool there are 4 vents. There are....73 no 78 tiles in the cafeteria roof. There is metal signatures just above the tiles. There are 4 vents and the passing temperature in those vents is....60....no...about 64 degree Fahrenheit.

There are 12 presences in the room. There are 14 flat surfaces. (assumed to be tables)
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The ET would then takes the man to go check it out. The odd ball psychic starts counting the tiles and inspecting the room and notices that all was spot on. "Very good" says the ET and they move on to the next lesson in ESP performance.

Fore
01-13-2013, 11:14 AM
ET looks at him, how many people will occupy this room in 70 hours?

The psychic guy looks at him and says he doesn't know. He tries to figure that out but nothing comes to him. So he says he doesn't know.

The ET looks at him and says there will be three.

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The ET tests him again, when will the "air conditioning turn off"?

Again the psychic does not know. He looks puzzled as to why he would know.

The ET explain to the man that he can expand his gathering of information if he simply tweaks his interconnect centers until they are capable of sensing information at a distant time frame.

The ET takes him to his lab and tweaks his abilities. Then brings him back.

And asks him the same information, when will the air conditioning shut off?

The man starts to receive dozens of pieces of information about all sorts of events but does not find any coherent clue. The ET then asks him why he thinks that is the case?

The man then says he doesn't know. So the ET explains to him that he must develop a form of control. An interface must be built to gain strict control over his higher components.

The ET shows him how and bring him back. Then the ET asks the same question. The man queries his higher mind interface and the answer comes into his lower cognition.

It will turn off in 23 minutes. The ET looks at him and says look at this clock if what you say is correct it will occur at such and such time. Let us wait and see if your perception is accurate.

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Time passes and right on time the air conditioner turns off. The ET looks at him and says congratulations on your next achievement. Then the ET asks how did he target the time frame?

The psychic man says that he asked his higher cognition what the answers was and the number popped into his mind. Then he did several checks to confirm the validity of the information.

He tells the ET that he sensed the state of the air condition at different time frames. He says he noticed at 1 minute into the future it was still on with his enhanced ESP. Then again at 14 minutes. And again at 28 minutes. He notices it was off at 28 minutes. So he back tracked to 20 minutes and noticed it was still on, then back to 22 minutes and it was still on. Then to 24 minutes and it was off. So then he tried 23 minutes with his enhanced ESP perception and noticed that it was turning off at that moment.

Then the man looks at the ET and says, that is how I knew 23 minutes was the correct answer.

The ET looks at the man and says, very good, you have learned how to do basic ranging within time frames. You can now call yourself a very basic precognitive individual.

Then the ET tells him there is still more. He tells the man to figure out what the woman whom will be entering the room will pull out from her purse.

The ET conveys to the man that he could combine his future precognition ability with his local targeting abilities. The ET conveys the signature of the woman who will be in the room in a few minutes.

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The man uses the information given to him and targets the woman at different points in time. He finds out she will be in the room in 4 minutes. He senses an object that is round and is being pulled from a purse with her left hand. He senses that the woman lifts the object to her face but he cannot resolve what it is.

Fore
01-13-2013, 11:25 AM
The psychic man then states the only things he does know, that the woman will pull out an object that is cylindrical with her left hand from a purse and put it in front of her face in about four minutes into the future.

The ET says then let us wait.

Four minutes passes and the woman does as he foresaw. Though now seeing it, he notices it was some breath spray and it was a blue bottle.

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The ET asks the psychic novice why he wasn't able to resolve more?

The psychic novice says that was all that came to him. The ET then tells him to try this again, this time tell me the gender of the individual with this signature who will come into the room in 48 minutes. The ET says he would like to know what color the watch is and what he has in his back pocket.

The ET further instructs him to fetch sensory data displaced in the future at 48 minutes.

The man objects thinking this is beyond him. The ET raises it's hand and waves away his concern. Tells the man to focus on the sensory data they will experience at that point in time rather than the objects. (cognitive data vs ESP sensory data)

So the man does as instructed.

He relays that the man (the target) has a beige plastic watch on his right forearm....and a wallet made of alligator skin in his back right pocket. The man says that he "sees" it is of an alligator skin at 52 minutes in the future.

The ET asks him what he sees the man doing with it? The man responds that he is paying for his lunch and is pulling out the wallet and that at roughly 54minutes and 24 to 29 seconds he is obscured by another fatter man behind him. That the angle they are standing on does not allow him to see more.

So they both wait and the events transpires exactly as they thought it would. The ET tells the man that he should be congratulated on achieving this much success.

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The ET tells him to see into the future and pick out how many people there are standing in this area at 2:50pm in this cafeteria. The man tries and notices several conflicting versions.

The ET looks at him and says, now you must take the next step and understand what probabilities are.

Fore
01-13-2013, 11:36 AM
The ET explains to him about how they can perceive various possible outcomes both forwards and backwards in time. The psychic novice is intrigued and realizes that they are slowly evolving into a real psychic.

The Man then uses that information and says he can make out three large possibilities but cannot resolve which one is the most likely. He says the time is too distant.

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The ET takes him into a room later that afternoon and tweaks him some more. Then he trains him for a few hours on how to separate fact from fiction and how to use mental statistics and various (numerous) kinds of indicators to figure out which is the likeliest scenario.

The man then makes three major predictions and leans heavily in favor of one. He then states that the third possibility is the most likely. The ET then says to be there tomorrow and they will find out.

At 2:40pm on the dot they are standing around and watching people come and go, when they see their target moment venture in and perform. They take a headcount silently and the results are positive. The man has made the first good leap into the world of pre-cognitive ESP.

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The ET congratulates him and tells him to follow one of the men in the cafeteria home with his mind. The ET instructs him at the novices home. The ET asks him what the man is doing in present time.

The novice reports and the ET confirms it is correct. The ET then tells the novice to read the mans cognitive data for four hours and tells him that he will be quizzed in the morning.

The novice does so, and the ET picks him up at the driveway and take him to meet the man in the cafeteria. The ET instructs him to be open and explicit in his comments with the man. "Pretend you actually of him" and interact.

The novice approaches and strikes up a conversation with the target and is open about commenting on the mans life. The target assumes that they must have met somewhere before and that somehow he forgot.

The two talk as if they have known each other for a long time (even though it is the first time they have ever met).

etc etc etc...

Fore
01-13-2013, 11:38 AM
I went from ESP, to bi-location ESP, to pre-cognitive ESP to Mind Reading, Remote Presence (RP), Remote Viewing, etc...in this example story.

All this stuff is very real in ET circles.

Those that do not know of it are going to find that mock-up a little hard to believe, I bet. Yet, there are elements of actual truth within it.

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Tracking someone with ESP and all different kinds of psychic implementations are not very hard for an ET or a trained psychic.

Fore
01-13-2013, 11:33 PM
I am sorry if there are any typos or errors in my writings. I wrote it all out in a very speedy way. I was more interested in posting my thoughts through an easy to grasp story rather than typing out dozens and dozens of situations which would have relayed much of the same concepts.

I intended to promote the concepts of interconnected features in a psychic activity.

If you have any thoughts simply ask.

I will also finish answering your post right now.

pontificator
01-15-2013, 09:51 AM
Something I've been looking at:

1) Effectively a 1m x 1m x 1mm sheet, inclusive container field.
2) Observes light passing through it.
3) Observes the vibration rate in the air.
4) Temperature aware.
5) Can be bisected into two sheets to offer stereoscopic observation along with sound.
6) Fully movable, or attachable at a set distance from target/location/object.

I quite fancy having something like that fully mapped and floating around some interesting locations, like the Vatican library ;) I've also fancied looking around some of the unexplored Chinese tombs dotted around the place. (Not sure if such a thing can work off-planet for the more exotic places.)

Now, that big question, how would you make that work, Fore? I've a fair idea of how it would go, but given it's excellent potential for immense abuse I'm pretty sure that anyone that worked it out properly would be visited by everyone and thing.

Fore
01-18-2013, 02:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yNoUTPRbl0

I don't agree with all statements made in the video. But it is just some more evidence that the human community is aware of the problems posed by influence and what later develops as (lower) consciousness and the disruptive physics of psychic phenomena.

As you can see, I am not "out on a limb" in what I have learned.

It is just a less well known ~secret~ that can't easily be discounted as it is a rigid part of reality.

Fore
01-18-2013, 02:44 AM
Man, since when did David Sareda become such a fruit loop?

I am watching this and as it goes on it sounds like he is missing point after point. He does talk about real concepts and their effects but he his characterization seems to be all off all over the place.

Like New Agey tangerine. Yuck. ;)

I might have to create a whole commentary log before you guys catch this video. Sounds like the guy misses the ball in quite a few places.

Fore
01-19-2013, 03:30 PM
Something I've been looking at:

1) Effectively a 1m x 1m x 1mm sheet, inclusive container field.
2) Observes light passing through it.
3) Observes the vibration rate in the air.
4) Temperature aware.
5) Can be bisected into two sheets to offer stereoscopic observation along with sound.
6) Fully movable, or attachable at a set distance from target/location/object. Well at least you are being creative with these concepts.

@ 1-4

I was never able to create microscopic (well not at 1mm) influence artifacts like your described. I was more gifted in sensing the environment and looking at surfaces with details.

I do not know if a 1mm square [influence] object would give you the kind of data you'd be trying to receive. The smallest I have ever gauged a temperature was from the nozzle of running water from behind a wall. (about 10 to 20 mm width).

There was a method I seldom employed to figure out a persons body temperature at a glance. It was created by emitting influence at a person and taking "point samples" throughout their body. The locations were spread out in that situation and it was followed closely by the dots spreading out into a wider area.

So in essence it wasn't "that confined" as a sample.

Table top surfaces I usually used the "spread" approach of sensing all of the surface for it's temperature equivalent (via ESP of course).

Room temperature (as in ambient air) I used the usual spread out method to sense the ambient temperature. Usually covering the air with my influence in less than a second by manipulating my field. Other methods were radius types that spread out into another location or spot checks (as in multiple feet wide in a certain portion of the room).

I didn't regularly use the finer resolution stuff for temperature resolutions.

I used the finer resolving capabilities of my ESP for checking whether a surface was clean from bacteria or other contrasting liquids that were coating (for example) a counter-top. Also for checking food such as liquids to figure out the given temperature or how uneven was the transmission of energy to figure out how hot or cold something would stay and how long.

(Now that I think about it, I pretty much used my abilities for pretty lame things eh?)

If you have nothing better to do with your time, you might enjoy watching thermodynamics in action inside a fridge or a microwave. The farraday cage won't block your influence if you shift it's qualities just slightly. (Might not even interfere with it at all for that matter.

I liked looking at patterns in nature on an influence level and keeping in mind what certain natural processes look like at an influence level. Like for example what microwave configurations look like.

I haven't been able to capture X-Ray patterns as they are too brief in a moment to really resolve what pattern they generate.

Raw electricity is a very painful experience to try to lock on to with ESP. Pretty coherent but strong pattern. Like listening to someone run their nails across a chalkboard. Very unpleasant.


I quite fancy having something like that fully mapped and floating around some interesting locations, like the Vatican library ;) I've also fancied looking around some of the unexplored Chinese tombs dotted around the place. (Not sure if such a thing can work off-planet for the more exotic places.) I haven't figured out yet why RV works the way it does. I understand that it works but I haven't yet been able to resolve why a ghost can hear sound or even see anything....yet it does. So do people in a OBE.

I am still speculating.

I now know what the difference is between an OBE and an NDE and actual Death. I now understand what the advisor was really doing when she tried to do an OBE experience for me.

In hindsight I also understand why I reacted the way I did and why OBE people experience several phenomena as they do.

I still don't fully understand why some spirituals can see without eyes or hear a conversation. I understand that a psychic can tap into cognitive data that people have experienced. But how do they do it when no one is around?

That is somewhat a mystery since they are missing the organic parts.


Now, that big question, how would you make that work, Fore? I've a fair idea of how it would go, but given it's excellent potential for immense abuse I'm pretty sure that anyone that worked it out properly would be visited by everyone and thing.Let me talk a prattle and see if I can give you any new insights.

Fore
01-19-2013, 04:18 PM
For example,

I now (think) I know why I felt like I was "dying" when the Advisor was trying to start an OBE session.

You already know what the interconnect is and how it relates to the psychic experience. You already know what the influence centers are within an interconnect. Like anchors that hold the interconnect in place. (people call the interconnect centers chakras I think)

Well, did you know that when I observed my dog die that I noticed death was a multiple stage process?

(I will try to blow through this topic as I don't want to think about it for very long)

I realized that when you die, your interconnect decouples from the organic parts (Stage 1).....but only partially at first. There is a second piece of influence components that I observed that seems to act like a coupling point within an organic body. It remains connected up until seemingly full death occurs. Like a latent clasp or remnant glue binding the interconnect to the organic body. (Stage 2)

When that releases, (Stage 3), full on death has occurred. In other words, no one is home and the body begins to decompose.

(Stage 4) seems to be a bit more mysterious where the interconnect itself seems to be discarded over what I currently guesstimate to be over a (roughly) 3 day period.

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Stage 1 seems to be what people refer to as an OBE or a controlled RV. (many types of RV styles though)

Stage 2 seems to be an NDE.

At Stage 3 it seems to be full on death.

Stage 4 means your influence decompiles and your spiritual self moves into whatever the afterlife is.

(Or it stops before Stage 3 and 4 and I guess you'd end up with a ghost wandering about the nearby premises. With an interconnect that never enters Stage 3 or 4. A spirit with a psychic interconnect system that is either fully or partially functioning. Constantly hemorrhaging it's own influence into the environment and needing to habitually siphon fresh influence from the living to replace it. To perpetuate it's own psychic consciousness and awareness of the physical environment.)

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Now here is the kicker. I know and expect people will blast me left and right from the psychic community when I say what I am going to say.

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I believe there is a reason why some OBE'er (Out Of Body Experiencers) are better at energy manipulation and leaving their bodies behind.

This is the disturbing conclusion I came to....

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I believe pretty strongly now that I have see it and put pieces of observations together; that OBE is only possible because people intentionally damage their interconnects latching system.

I believe that the reason why people (without necessarily realizing it or understanding the full gravity of the act) break the bonding behavior of their interconnect. That may be why some describe the onset of panic when they are close to starting an OBE. Because without knowing it, they are breaking the latches that hold them (their psychic interconnect) to their body.

Therefore without fully knowing it or realizing it, they intentionally enter stage 1. Based on my own understanding I believe that these interconnect features meant to keep us tied to our bodies are a safety feature to keep us there until we eventually die.

But perhaps OBE'er are triggering the initial death phase without realizing it and that it why they experience the things that they do. (fear, paralysis, floating above their bodies, de-synchronization with their organic body's probability index/time frame/locality, etc.

In other words, they realize they can now move into other probabilities. Seeing buildings and people that have nothing to do with their own time frame or probability index. Even up to moving large distances to watch others. (locality)

I also believe that these bonding structures once triggered are unlikely to latch together to the organic components the same way. Mostly likely this may explain why some OBE folks are able to leave their bodies at will. While others partially float but are still tied at specific points to their body, Unable to move beyond it. (Like me)

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When the Advisor tried to do this to me on more than one occasion. I noticed that like always my chest was anchor stiffly into place but my legs and arms and lower torso were in a "negative g" state. The non-secured sections of my interconnect were trying to float upwards.

As she (in hindsight) tried to seemingly break the last bonds near my chest, I would have probably have gone into full OBE. But the feeling of dying kept coming over me.

Because it was so overpowering I had inescapable reactions which made me resist like a knee jerk reaction. Even though she tried more than once (consecutively) and I could hear her nearby...my instincts seem to let me know I was doing something I wasn't supposed to.

Years after that, a Grey came by to fulfill an agreement. He gave me an OBE experience and again, I noticed I was bound in the same places as when the Advisor tried to do it.

So in all those years, nothing had changed.

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So the secret to OBE is probably the part that everyone overlooks. That you have to intentionally trigger the first stage of death for the main couplings to break lose.

Sure, it will give you a boost in using your abilities I would bet. But at what cost? Had the designer of our interconnect system (God?) meant for us to leave our body willfully, we (humanity) would have probably have had it made easily available and accessible.

Again, if so, this is a pretty dark secret. It makes me wonder how many OBE folks actually know (or even remember) the initial stages.

It also begs the serious questions of what it means to break those couplings. Can other beings intrude into our organics if the couplings are broken? Is our interconnect more compromised once the connective features are tampered with. (I simply do not know)

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I suspect NDE'er would have to be "reset" and put back into their bodies. (by Higher Order Entities)

Fore
01-19-2013, 04:47 PM
Another post I have been wanting to make for a while.

I watched almost all of Paranormal Witness (I think the show was called) with the family and we discussed alot of points.

During the discussion, the episodes and what was in each one was fairly predictable. (It is a good series) Nothing really surprised me and it seemed pretty logical from my perspective.

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Upon thinking about some of the scenes for a while, an idea came to me. What if organic cells require a specific kind of influence for it to work. What if it is not purely biochemical reactions?

What if our "life force" is constantly being injected into our body via our interconnect centers? What if the cells themselves require this specific influence in order to operate properly?

Could this be why children and babies who are in the middle of their growth curve emit the most influence from inside their bodies? Is this why spirituals usually target the young to absorb this oversupply?

Perhaps not for their cells (as they have none) but what if the injected influence coming out of our kids interconnect is full of various spectrums of influence. Like for example it feeds other "features" besides what is used in cell growth ( our life force). What if these injections of influence coming from our interconnect also enhance our state of consciousness and awareness?

Could it be that ghosts don't use the types that makes cells grow but does use the other aspects that makes consciousness function?

Anyway, food for thought.

montalk
01-19-2013, 10:04 PM
I believe pretty strongly now that I have see it and put pieces of observations together; that OBE is only possible because people intentionally damage their interconnects latching system.


What if our "life force" is constantly being injected into our body via our interconnect centers? What if the cells themselves require this specific influence in order to operate properly?

Those two points may be deeply connected. Because it's known that severe illness or fasting can also make OBEs a lot easier -- or outright spontaneous and uncontrollable. As if the body lacks the strength to hold onto the soul.

Some believe a vegan diet is a prerequisite for OBE work. I understand how abstaining from meat can help clear out certain undesirable influence patterns, but I also think that such a diet can weaken you physically, and that it's this weakening that can make an OBE easier. Weakening the body really means bringing it closer to a state of death. You're less robust, less sharp, less grounded, less here, and can therefore unlatch and float away easier. Of course, if the body dies then you're forced out no matter what.

Other OBE practitioners don't try to weaken the body so much as charge up their nonphysical components. Example is Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways™ (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2425218/NEW-ENERGY-WAYS-by-Robert-Bruce) system. You'll recognize it as a method of moving influence around the body to simulate the interconnect centers.

According to that line of reasoning, when the soul becomes sufficiently energized, it can escape the "gravitational" pull of the body. This would imply that, whether you a) weaken the body or b) charge up the soul (to use common terms), the effect is the same: the soul is stronger than the body and can pull away.

On the other hand, your activations never helped you achieve OBEs, so there must be a difference.

Another thing: in my experience, sleep comes with a partial or full OBE state. Except that you're usually dreaming or in deep sleep during it, and therefore don't notice it happening. But the times I've become lucid in a dream, whenever I would turn my attention inward at my own awareness and try to feel my body, I emerge from the dream into an already ongoing OBE.

Most of the time, like you it's just my arms and legs floating up while I remain attached at the chest, and only once or twice was I hovering horizontally a foot or two above the physical body. When I then force myself fully awake, I can feel myself squeezing back into the body. My visual P.O.V. even sinks down back into my physical head. It feels like being pushed down to the bottom of a pool, or stuffed into a tight glove.

Point being that sleep does something to unlatch, without necessarily damaging the latches, because it's a natural and system-wide process. That might explain another OBE induction method: progressive relaxation. You tense and relax your muscles area by area, several times, and this is supposed to knock out the body enough that an OBE becomes possible. Or rather, your body falls asleep so fast that your mind can stay awake, and then you go through the OBE process that normally happens only after your mind has already fallen asleep.

I don't practice OBE for several reasons: 1) risk of being blindsided and disconnected by a powerful demonic entity who could even take my place, 2) it would weaken my soul-body connection and I need to be 100% sharp and grounded to do what I do in life, 3) I don't want to leave pieces of myself behind in the astral planes until there's no one home, and 4) I don't want to pick up hitch hikers and bring them back with me. The astral projection pros might say these are unfounded fears, but I have anecdotal and personal evidence to the contrary.

Fore
01-20-2013, 11:02 AM
@ Pontif/Montalk

Take a look at this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5tBXE28pFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nbuZmTl6fM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZoTAcsOhSM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBBIoSSucno

Remnant influence fields present in transplanted organs. People in the medical industry find embeded (processed) cognitive data in transplanted organs.

Again, not unusual or unexpected *if* the modeled (and utilized) information I received from the ET is indeed accurate.

Although the documentary' supposed position is primitive and poorly informed. It still shows that tissues can carry embedded influence fields within it's structures.

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(It also by "extreme extension" of the theory goes to show that human beings are ~telepathically~ compatible if the processed cognitive information is transferable "in some way". In this case through the unfortunate process of transplanted organics from a former donor.)

If this process transference process can be carried out by other less invasive (lol) means then, this means that people can share cognitive data and understand each other. The problem is bridging the gap without transfering tissue. (Lines of association and basic psychic emission as well as targeting a recipient.)

@ Montalk

Makes you wonder what it does to your field ;) when you eat dead meat, eh? I will respond to your post and that of Pontifs soon.

lycaeus
01-21-2013, 05:51 AM
Hey I have a question. It's based on something that was said earlier on in this thread:

What I quoted above is a common way people are manipulated. Especially the experiencers you'll meet whom have a template installed in their head.

A sensation of unknown purpose or fulfillment that edges them on into the ETs hands.


I was wondering how can you tell the difference between impulses and directions from your own higher mind, and manipulation as a sense of mission?
or, how is this sense of mission used to edge a person into the ET's hands?

Fore
01-22-2013, 03:28 AM
Hey I have a question. It's based on something that was said earlier on in this thread:


I was wondering how can you tell the difference between impulses and directions from your own higher mind, and manipulation as a sense of mission?
or, how is this sense of mission used to edge a person into the ET's hands?To truly answer your questions, I am going to put you (and others) through something so you can experience a simulation of what it is like to be manipulated emotionally/mentally/cognitively.

Think of something beautiful. Some that you know (beyond any doubt) that is absolutely true and comforting. Do you feel these sensations? Remember the sensations deeply within yourself.

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Now think of something you have doubts on. Something for example like a story you have heard or a situation you have dealt with on ET lifeforms. Think of the broad general concept as a whole.

Now recall the sensations of that beautiful truth you had before and replace it for the doubt. Super impose that sensation everytime you think about the subject you have doubts on. Feel the beauty and awe of that truth.

Don't you feel better? Doesn't it make you feel good again? Throw away that doubt in your mind about the doubts and distrust. Replace it with all those good feelings and trust that it will be alright.

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Now splash yourself with some ice water and snap out of it. Come back to reality and realize that I was just super imposing a false sensation that comes from something your evaluated as truth and awe inspiring.

Right now you probably did it voluntarily in this mind game.

Imagine if you had no control over it and the sensations were involuntary imposed upon you by a telepath who had gained access to your cognitive processes.

Imagine repeatedly experiencing this until you let your guard down and started to accept it.

For the folks with weaker integrity this is "enough" to circumvent their natural internal associations of what is good vs what is bad for them.

Fore
01-22-2013, 03:54 AM
For people with more integrity and convictions, the process is slightly different from what I understood.

The super imposed sensations of something being good or bad does not override their common sense or their personal beliefs. No matter how much they get stimulated. They have to be convinced on an intellectual level and belief level. This is what one of the Greys taught me indirectly in one of their stupid lessons.

(Which didn't frame things in that specific way, but I got "the gist" of sub-context and realized what it was really about several times.)

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Some people have enough ~"basis integrity/bias"~ that they will resist (supposedly) telepathic stimulation.

In otherwords, now matter how hard or deeply you bombard them with stimulation the effect isn't accepted properly (they said). To augment that, they taught/said you need to tackle the underpinning issues.

The underpinning issues are stuff like thought processes and convictions. Thoughts/emotional associations/ etc. that people use as anchors to what they currently understood. These anchors also act as a shield....like a common basis/bias that rejects any contradictory information/input.

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For example, I could not convince you that the sky is red because you have underlying knowledge for many years that the sky is blue. You have memories of it being blue, you have different attached experiences to that notion of it being blue.

So even if an ET were to stimulate you telepathically to associate the "sky is red" with "feel good" or "this is true" sensations, there are other parts of you ~"a basis of integrity/bias"~ that would always contradict any contradictory notions.

This acts as your internal shield and keeps you safe.

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<Fore thinks for a bit>

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Though if an ET were to tell you lived previously on another planet in zeta reticuli in a past life where "the sky is red" and stimulated you with "imagery and scenes" and "emotional backdrops" of a heart warming and rendering series of emotions.

You'd probably believe it all. Your "basis of integrity/bias" does not know whether that is true or false information. You have no prior knowledge of it. Therefore you are less likely to resist.

The ET would also throw in a lie like you had a different body back then "when they knew you", insert stimulation "of an old comrade in arms/peace". Then state an extra lie of that you had different eyes back then than you currently do in your previous body/incarnation.

Finally finishing it off with the ET saying that in it's eyesight and body "the Sky looks red" here. That it still has it's old body and was waiting for you to reincarnate on Earth for some time.

Therefore, after that (lie ridden) explanation, do you see why your ~"basis of integrity/bias"~ wouldn't protect you very much?

You would probably believe it. Hell, some abductees and contactees actually do when it is applied on them.

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This is a method of applying "a crow bar" to your mentality and suspending disbelief. Once key compromises are made systematically, any person can be further compromised to a great extent.

But there are still some who are harder than even this.

Fore
01-22-2013, 04:17 AM
There is another layer of protection that is much harder to compromise than anything else.

<Fore puts his finger on your chest over your heart and then you head, and finally just above your head...seemingly pointing at thin air.>

Your higher mind, is not something that can be tampered with directly. (actually that is not completely true...but for another post)

Your higher mind, is that thing that tends to message your lower half every now and then. By nudges and subtle (but deep) sensations. Even if the mental and emotional aspects are compromised in an individual you can't directly affects a persons higher consciousness.

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This is where "spiritual beliefs"/ "Spiritual connections" can ruin a good/bad ET con job.

(Note: This conversation is larger and deeper in scope than is being presented here. So keep in mind it has been shortened for brevity.)

In the scope of the "Higher Mind" there are areas that the ET cannot seemingly readily access without going through lots of loop holes and issues. If you think of your higher mind as a tree spanning upwards with dozens of features that are invisible even to a psychic. There is a point where some parts of this tree connect to spiritual functions.

1)--There are people who have spiritual hook ups to the "Source" at least part of the time.
2)--There are also people without this hook-up.
3)--There are people who go beyond a mere hook-up and actually allow the "Source" to imbue itself throughout their higher components. Indirectly seeping into the lower components and consciousness. Literally a supernatural habitation. Probably why "they glow" at an unseen level.

If in the 3rd case this "spiritual source" lets them know when a situation is creeping up. Like instincts guided by a intelligent source, the person is notified and the con breaks in short order.

If (2nd) it is a person without a hookup, the ET can break in and tamper with their higher components and embed all sorts of downloaded packages into the back of a persons being.

If (1st) the individual simply has mild protection. In which case, the ET can make them disconnect from the source (as can any spiritual entity by the way) by retraining their beliefs through compromising their lower mind.

(Emotional crowbar/Mental crowbar/ stimulation etc. etc.)

Fore
01-22-2013, 04:27 AM
If in the 3rd case this "spiritual source" lets them know when a situation is creeping up. Like instincts guided by a intelligent source, the person is notified and the con breaks in short order.

You can think of this as a Spiritual Anti-Meme Defense. (I couldn't think of anything better to liken it to....except maybe a spiritual anti-virus)

Something supernatural is in the mix.

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Some HOE (Higher Order Entities) teach that a Lie can be broken by the Truth if you believe in it. The Truth (in a persons mind) can be shaken by a Lie if you let yourself believe in it.

If your ~"Basis of Integrity/Bias"~ is expansive enough, and your hooked into (the real) source. It is basically impossible to break someone.

No matter what you show them, or do, or say. It just won't work.

lycaeus
01-22-2013, 05:18 AM
Wow thanks, you've given me a lot to think about.

pontificator
01-22-2013, 10:34 AM
Hmmm, that's given me a bit to think about. I actually felt parts of my field squirm when I was testing out the doubt supplement, but that has a lot to do with a certain entity I have mentioned [I quite frankly don't know why it is so... "concerned"... about me, it's definitely regulating my heart-beat to within certain bounds {Actively doing so, when undergoing physical exertion that would normally send it pounding hard I'm finding it is keeping it from a certain threshold. I am going to get things checked out by a Doc soonish, it's frankly pretty unnatural.}] I deliberately pushed myself on several occasions, and the entity was doing all sorts of interesting things to keep it in check [Curiously it doesn't go away even under prayer conditions.]

I matched certain effects that you mentioned in terms of the higher mind giving the lower one hints, and it seems to occur pretty frequently now I've reviewed my memories [to varying degrees, it can be a strong emotional effect directed to an area or object, or a subtle hint that the cliché is true in a given case even when it seems unlikely from experience {A student managed to fall two storeys through a roof because I dismissed it as an absurd possibility when he went to retrieve his ball... he's okay, and has a great scar, but I don't dismiss those particular hints any more, but then again we all make mistakes about things we regret later. }] I've been getting hints since I was a teenager, but they are certainly much stronger now. The one that is causing me the most bother, mainly due to its insight, is knowing at a particular point if someone doesn't want to speak to me at that given time [this is instant and with text messages, or when I'm wondering why there has been no reply a given communication.] It can also make it a bit difficult in a working environment if they need to be told something important [but then again I am the man that was congratulated by all the upper management for telling a certain individual "no" over a particular issue... before I found out I'd left a vice principal upset and quivering in anger in their office {the conversation was pretty mundane, but the rest thought there'd been something like the clash of the titans, with the odd spear thrown}... apparently the others had been too scared to take them to task.]

Fore
01-24-2013, 09:29 AM
Those two points may be deeply connected. Because it's known that severe illness or fasting can also make OBEs a lot easier -- or outright spontaneous and uncontrollable. As if the body lacks the strength to hold onto the soul. Sounds like a strong possibility.

Up until very recently I hadn't been able to make sense of "fasting" or what the principles were supposed to be about. It wasn't until I read some of your writings and that of a few others (including notably The Bible discussions) that I came to a soft conclusion that perhaps fasting is a way of removing conditions in several different directions.

One of them might be to increase (as you said) spiritual abilities by bringing the body close to a state of death.

Another possibility is that eating meat seems to cause different kinds of patterns to be absorbed. All the fasting rituals I have seen are almost entirely without meat in the process. I suppose that consuming dead things may recirculate decaying patterns associated with death.

The Hebrews had an old practice of keeping anything dead away from themselves when they tried to approach the Temple of God. They also had to wash their bodies with water (assists in removal of contamination?) and pray and fast for long periods of time before they could enter certain areas.

They whole thing is deemed a practice of purification but modern believers don't seem to have much on what exactly they are supposed to be purifying besides some anecdotal off-the-top references to their spirit.

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Perhaps there is something about decaying patterns that causes damage to our internal field?

It is an interesting question. As I recall there being vague mentions that early people in the bible who lived for many (many) years largely did not eat meat.

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Then again, it is rare to hear about an ET eating meat. So I wonder if there is something we don't know?

Fore
01-24-2013, 09:29 AM
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I have been evaluation some videos from Robet Skiba and a few others on what Enoch saw and witnessed and I was surprised by some of it.

There are notions which I wasn't fully aware of. For example I used to think that the giants were somehow figurative rather than literal. But it provokes my thoughts on something specific.

Earlier you saw me mention that while watching a paranormal show I came to the conclusion after lots of pondering that perhaps patterned influence is responsible in some way for dell division and growth.

I have long known that cells seem to have embedded influence inside it. So do diseases. But....the diseases usually have an influence field that is uniquely different from the patterns that seem to jive well with the human body.

Hence, why it appears that when someone is sick it is easy to pick out the disruption when it is seen at an ESP level. The disturbances and dysfunctions cycle abnormally as living patterns.

Augmenting the healthy patterns seems to reduce the diseased patterns. While promoting the diseased patterns seems to make a person extremely ill.

I have always taken it to mean that diseased tissue is just producing or embedded with abnormal influence. Like a bit of extra stuff going on besides the chemical processes.

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Anyway, not to go too far off topic. It makes me wonder why paranormal entities (ghosts/demons/phantoms) tend to stick near to the young and the still growing. Perhaps the interconnect has to overproduce influence in order to make sure that the growth is stable in new cells.

This ties into what happened in pre-flood era in The Bible. That the watchers (fallen angels) descended and started impregnating women. If they fused their spiritual profile to that of a human being. It would be like fusing together an enormous spiritual donor with a relatively weak spiritual woman.

Resulting in an abnormally large infusion of spiritual/influence.

It is said in The Bible (and many other cultures) that these giants were huge. Early first generation giants were said to be 450 feet tall as they grew. Then after the flood it is said that they progressively got smaller with each successive generation.

Just as the first human beings were said to live up to 1000 years in the first generation yet progressively grew older much faster. Right now the maximum age is about 120 years. My great-grandmother lived up to 116 years old.

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Anyway, it makes you wonder. If there isn't something in the configuration of human offspring that is gradually being reduced with each successive generation.

Science currently views biochemistry as a purely organic process. But if a psychic were to pull out every fragment of influence from a cell, would it still grow? I have seen experiments where people attempt to influence cell growth in basic bacteria (in scientific experiments) and it actually does affect the bacteria. (not surprisingly of course)

Fore
01-24-2013, 10:10 AM
Other OBE practitioners don't try to weaken the body so much as charge up their nonphysical components. Example is Robert Bruce's New Energy Ways™ (http://www.scribd.com/doc/2425218/NEW-ENERGY-WAYS-by-Robert-Bruce) system. You'll recognize it as a method of moving influence around the body to simulate the interconnect centers. Yeah, it is one of the more basic techniques.


According to that line of reasoning, when the soul becomes sufficiently energized, it can escape the "gravitational" pull of the body. This would imply that, whether you a) weaken the body or b) charge up the soul (to use common terms), the effect is the same: the soul is stronger than the body and can pull away.

On the other hand, your activations never helped you achieve OBEs, so there must be a difference. I have only ever affected the filters that prevent me from seeing ESP information from different locations or in different time frames.

I have never tried to alter or tamper with the latching system.

If I was venting influence to make my body more comfortable...I partially attached it to another physical mass (like a wall) and then inched a few inches forward physically.

The attached portion of my interconnect would gently and slightly get pulled out and the excessive build up in my interconnect would start rushing out of my body where I exposed it to the ambient environment. Like a "positive pressure" type of venting.

You could literally see skin hair and stuff move as it rushed out.

When the pressure leveled out. I simply eased it back into place and everything was usually okay. It was one way of venting excess build up as well as contamination that gets built up like crud.

Often along the spots where it (influence) leaks out it turns red like a welt. (usually without the inflammation)

If I keep the excess pressure internally it makes all kinds of physical problems. I don't need to vent anymore because I have reduced the rate of release internally to a point where my body doesn't hurt.
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I have always treated my interconnect like components in a larger assembly. I can also move my arms and legs slightly offset from my physical tissue to allow for influence to vent out.

As the hindu's say, it feel like an invisible wind or invisible force that gushes out.

I also don't do it anymore because I have an agreement not to do so. As well as I realized that doing that leaves an immense bubble of my internal influence suspended in the air.

Since I have stopped the influence activation methods, the flow rate has reduced by a large amount. The need to vent has also dropped immensely. As well as there is very little influence discharge (if anything) for the spiritual entities to feed off of. So it makes them go elsewhere.


Another thing: in my experience, sleep comes with a partial or full OBE state. Except that you're usually dreaming or in deep sleep during it, and therefore don't notice it happening. But the times I've become lucid in a dream, whenever I would turn my attention inward at my own awareness and try to feel my body, I emerge from the dream into an already ongoing OBE. It is rare for me, but I have noticed it as well.


Most of the time, like you it's just my arms and legs floating up while I remain attached at the chest, and only once or twice was I hovering horizontally a foot or two above the physical body. When I then force myself fully awake, I can feel myself squeezing back into the body. My visual P.O.V. even sinks down back into my physical head. It feels like being pushed down to the bottom of a pool, or stuffed into a tight glove. Yes. Coincidentally enough it is also sounds like what the Advisor described when she said they reconfigure their fields for their bodies when they have to touch the ground floor.

She said it was like being inside of a pool under a few feet of water. Their psychic extensions have to be reconfigured so they don't have such a prominent field around them.

Your comment reminded me of that.

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My point being, the OBE process must involve something where the body still continues to function in some way. There are people who can do a form of bi-location that gives them OBE/RV like abilities (including more than one visual field).

So I suppose OBE is something more than simply removing the interconnect from the physical organics. Perhaps there is something we don't know yet?



Point being that sleep does something to unlatch, without necessarily damaging the latches, because it's a natural and system-wide process. That might explain another OBE induction method: progressive relaxation. You tense and relax your muscles area by area, several times, and this is supposed to knock out the body enough that an OBE becomes possible. Or rather, your body falls asleep so fast that your mind can stay awake, and then you go through the OBE process that normally happens only after your mind has already fallen asleep. There are possibly different kinds of OBE. I have noticed that when I pulled out the interconnect assembly in my mother arm,...that her arm went limp and she couldn't momentarily control it. (Followed by a sensation of buzzing and electrical sensations in her arm)

Then when I put it in a few seconds later, it worked as normal.

(By accident folks)

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Another time I also accidentally pulled out the assembly in one portion of their head while I was doing a type of interconnect analysis on one my family members long ago. I noticed that they blacked out for a handful of seconds visually when I accidentally used too much force and pulled out one portion of the interconnect head assembly.

I noticed it before they reacted completely to visually blacking out. (No worries, they only lost visual sight for a number of seconds, I am quick in reflex on an unseen level). I was doing a form of interconnect ~(biofeedback)~ feedback and watching the streaming information on a piece of influence that was giving them a headache.


I don't practice OBE for several reasons: 1) risk of being blindsided and disconnected by a powerful demonic entity who could even take my place, 2) it would weaken my soul-body connection and I need to be 100% sharp and grounded to do what I do in life, 3) I don't want to leave pieces of myself behind in the astral planes until there's no one home, and 4) I don't want to pick up hitch hikers and bring them back with me. The astral projection pros might say these are unfounded fears, but I have anecdotal and personal evidence to the contrary.Yeah it sounds like a pretty dangerous affair.

The environment outside our body is not very clean or free of dangers.

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:14 PM
@ lycaeus/Pontif

You asked about "lines of association"/targeting and how that relates to paranormal and ET influences affecting people.

Rather than give you obscure answers, I will give you a defined and more accurate series of relationships so you can figure out how the practical applications of "lines of associations" form and weave together in the ET and Paranormal world; as well as just plain everyday psychic phenomena.

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:19 PM
There are many underlying references you have to put at the forefront of your mind in order to get a handle on this subject. The subject itself is not very hard to understand if you keep in mind a few factors.

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The number one factor that you should realize is something which the majority of psychics never seemingly realize.

"Influence space" is just a level of reality. It mimics physical reality in some ways....but not in other ways.

So think of "influence space" as a very real sub-reality. A place where our psychic abilities emanate through. It is a common misconception among psychics that their psychic emanations are somehow physical in nature.

They are not.

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Okay so I have now established the most basic point you should keep in mind and focus on.

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:32 PM
The next point to keep in mind is a very important point.

This sub-reality (called "influence space" by me) has different rules for locality than normal physical space.

Things "appear" to be localized like they are in physical space.

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Whoa, back up Fore, what does that mean exactly?

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Bear with me for a moment, I am going to stretch your concepts of spacetime into one that is more compatible with ET life forms thoughts on this subject.

Imagine that you are an ordinary psychic and you are looking around your living room. There is a small difference in sensing the environment with your ESP than with your physical (organic) eyes, ears and touch.

Imagine that you are in your living room and you have all 5 senses of your normal non-physics awareness telling you where all the furniture is located relative to you. As well as a psychic ability to sense where all the furniture is located via ESP. (Extra Sensory Perception)

You physical side (organic senses) tell you that your coffee table is at one specific location in the room and that there is a table "over there" and another chair "over here" etc...

There is a physical sense of spatial awareness generated within your physical mind.

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:38 PM
There is a physical sense of spatial awareness generated within your physical mind.


What if I told you that this "spatial awareness" your physical mind generates internally is also passed on when you use your psychic senses?

Naturally, you would come to the conclusion that your ESP sense of the environment is being reformatted by your organic mind to give you an "illusory sensation" that the physical objects and the corresponding influence representations are located in the exact same place.

(And ~technically~ speaking that would be accurate.)

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:46 PM
Now if you can keep that in mind that your lower mind is reformatting ESP data into something the brain can understand.

The next interesting question is what if you tweaked that format situation a bit.

What if while standing in your living room you tried to access ESP information about what room your neighbor is in at this moment?

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Assuming you could control your psychic abilities through conscious methods. You could tell your ESP senses to locate your neighbor and represent with your mind where he is at.

Suddenly, within your mind, your would sense a far away environment with details.

Your organic mind would take that structured ESP feedback and represent in your mind as a virtual sense of a non-local environment.

You could sense the details of the environment your neighbor is in, even if you have never physically been there.

Fore
01-28-2013, 04:50 PM
Assuming you could control your psychic abilities through conscious methods. You could tell your ESP senses to locate your neighbor and represent with your mind where he is at.

Suddenly, within your mind, your would sense a far away environment with details.

Your organic mind would take that structured ESP feedback and represent in your mind as a virtual sense of a non-local environment.

You could sense the details of the environment your neighbor is in, even if you have never physically been there. Let slow down a bit and examine what you would need in order to perform such an extra-ordinary leap.

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First, you need ESP awareness.

Second, you need some kind of structured interface to order your psychic components to do something [very] specific. It needs to be reliable and truthworthy and clearly functional.

Third, you need some way of "locking on" to and "distinguishing" a specific location or person from billions of other destinations. (also called "targeting")

Fourth, you need a sufficient level of psychic output. Along with every other underlying component and process...both on a psychic level as well as an organic level.

Fifth, you need a proper organic body that can handle the feedback properly.

Sixth, you need a proper psychic features that can retrieve that information and make it accessible to the organic half.

Fore
01-28-2013, 05:04 PM
Third, you need some way of "locking on" to and "distinguishing" a specific location or person from billions of other destinations. (also called "targeting")


Lets continue with this specific point.


You need some kind of way to target a specific environment and/or person.

Your higher components are not aware of spatial references in the same way as your organic half is.

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A psychic needs some way to distinguishing a direct correlation to a target. When you perform targeting of an immediate environment (such as the room your are standing in) the process of you cognitively transferring those references is almost transparent to a psychic.

In other words, if you pay close attention to reading the immediate environment, your lower mind (the organic one) tells your higher mind to target specific regions...even if it happens so subtly that you aren't fully aware of it.

When you want to target a faraway environment, you need to supply some kind of reference point.

Most psychics do this unconsciously from what I can tell. They don't exercise a level of fine control when they do it. Only when you ask them to slow down the process and observe the process of their psychic activity, do they become aware that it does indeed take place even if it is barely registering in their mind.

It is important that a psychic therefore become painfully aware of the minuscule processes of their awareness. They have to be clear and in control for the directives to form properly.

This is why many ordinary psychics practice self control and meditation to increase their self awareness and to clarify their directives.

Most human beings have a form of ADHD (Attention deficit disorder) compared to an ETs unwavering attention span.

Fore
01-28-2013, 05:25 PM
So what are the principles behind remote targeting?

Why do "lines of associations" work?

Why do spiritual entities leave behind psychic marker in individuals?

Why do ET beings uise psychic profiles to target individuals?

How do RVer's use techniques to remotely target a specific environment?

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The principles behind remote targeting are fairly numerous. The advanced stuff is complex and requires various combinations of techniques and methodology.

Lets stick to the simple stuff.

Lets pretend I am an ET trying to read someone remotely.

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When a person reads threads that reference me, the individual reading this story about me...tend to unconsciously target me as a referenced individual. They build up a mental reference in their lower mind that depicts my presence.

As they read the references of what I have said, or what I have done, they slowly but gradually build a cognition of who I am, even if they have never met me directly.

With that unique set of bundled reference of my character built up; they pass that tiny cognition of me into their higher mind.

That higher portion of a reader then tries to target remote references (unconsciously) of me. An environment, people within a situation, a remote location, etc.

Eventually they target something relevant unconsciously. Then, the first "Lines of association" are formed.

On my end, I (as the ET) sense the connection psychically targeting me. I then scan the individual in return and sense their personality, identity, approximate location, and mental and emotional disposition.

All that the remote target senses is an oddity of a distant presence in their mind or around them. That individual is now known to me.

I (as an ET) then remember within my memory the person as I scan them mentally. They are a known individual whom I can now reference as a profile distinct in nature to that individual.

The process of scanning that individual is now a strong line of association. As I scan them, I remotely bi-locate my alien presence and merge with their field. Leaving behind trace remnants within their field.

This is now "a marker" which I can rely on in the future to remotely target an individual.

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When I (as an ET) go to meetings to discuss the latest events with other ET groups, I may mention that I know of this human individual with another ET.

That ET may have a project underway and asks me to share the data on this known individual. Including what their beliefs are within the defined profile.

That third party may then issue a RV (remote view) or RP (remote presence) session to quantify a location and observe the individual remotely. The individual may meet the specification of a project.

The third party ET then travels to that location halfway around the world to perform an in-person inspection. The individual is mind read at 3 kilometers, and observe red to gather situation intelligence or circumstances surrounding their routine.

Then individual then is checked up on in the following visits and evaluated when they are prone and sleeping. Standard procedures take place and the individual is rendered immobile and/or is allowed to be aware of the visitation.

The individual awakes and tells the story to another. The cycle then repeats.

Fore
01-28-2013, 05:27 PM
Will continue a little later. Hands are tired of typing.

Next, I will cover why spatial location is illusory in certain psychic phenomena.

Write about spookyness at a distance in physical science phenomena.

Write about remote influence manipulation techniques and basic lessons therein. Point out the obvious examples as references.

P.S.Have received two "red flags" since writing by the way. So the ET will likely be around in a bit to check up on what is going down.