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Pandora'sParadox
06-21-2014, 07:13 AM
yup...got some reading to do. (mind = blown)

but i'm curious...you state "careful what you wish for" or negative attitudes towards it. I don't know what exactly I'm hoping to achieve from all of this...
I think its more of getting my energies "in tune" and seeking more of the inner truth, than E.T. contact at the moment. It weirds me out because I hear more and more accounts of "them" having negative agendas. I guess I just assumed we were all peaceful.

Just a side note, would a signal be like my spidey sense thing of mine. Sort of sounds like an electronic/chalk board squeal? :confused:



p.s. I would love to hear your views on my blog, Clouding the confused mind.

Fore
06-21-2014, 09:52 AM
yup...got some reading to do. (mind = blown)

but i'm curious...you state "careful what you wish for" or negative attitudes towards it. I don't know what exactly I'm hoping to achieve from all of this...
I think its more of getting my energies "in tune" and seeking more of the inner truth, than E.T. contact at the moment. It weirds me out because I hear more and more accounts of "them" having negative agendas. I guess I just assumed we were all peaceful. Approach the ET (any ET) like you would any other human being with the level of naivete that you would extend to a human being. Except they are smarter and more apt than your average human being. (well, most of the time)

The quicker you accept at least that premise, the better off you might be. Though I won't force that unto you. Just bear in mind there are alot of things they can do that a human being can't do.

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If an ET is unfriendly, chances are, it won't be very obvious.
You might have to make a new chapter in your personal notes for what passes for evil/good.
Some ET are pretty darn smart, they can keep up interactions for a long period of time without letting you onto what they actually intend to do in relation to you.

People used to badger me for pointing that out. Mostly it is because differentiating friend from not a friend is not black and white. They are people. People have mixed motives and/or agendas. They aren't an angel.



Just a side note, would a signal be like my spidey sense thing of mine. Sort of sounds like an electronic/chalk board squeal? :confused: People who are affected remotely (through psychic phenomena) display an array of various symptoms.

High pitched squeals like an old TV turning on is just one possible physical sign. (Has more to do with the fields in your skull realigning during a telepathic interaction, which then apparently moves fluids around in your veins and arteries.

There are tons of signs noted in my early writings. Keep in mind when I started writing I had no idea what I wanted to divulge vs what I didn't want to divulge. I also hadn't written anything longer than a sentence on my computer since...maybe 7 years previous to that starting point.

So my writing on accounts was sporadic. At the beginning I wrote [ET] who said what and roughly when [sources recalled from memory], until some folks complained that they preferred if I wrote the accounts while leaving out lots of details. [apparently for readabilities sake]

So you rarely see me mention who taught me what in my later accounts. I omitted it to keep things easy to read. [Apparently people didn't really care for the details.]

Also, if you are to any degree psychic, stay turned "off" and don't focus on the content too strongly. Take breaks if you have to, to keep from focusing too intently on the individuals described. Otherwise, you'll end up unconsciously targeting the people I wrote about and forming a connection that they will notice and scan you to figure out who you are.

Which is what gets people noticed when reading through the accounts. [Some people get freaked out by the psychic scans]


p.s. I would love to hear your views on my blog, Clouding the confused mind.

I'll tell you the truth, I don't usually read blogs [or books]. It's "a trick" they did way back in the day to keep me from verifying their statements and [apparently] keep me from piecing together associated truths. I can read short articles and stories but give me a book on ET stuff or a long blog and no matter how interesting it is, I can't find the right method to absorb it.

I think the deepest I ever got into an ET book was [ I think] an Ingo Swann book called penetration [I don't recall the exact title]. I think I still have it on my Hard Drive. Interesting as hell, but I am not able to finish it. No matter how hard I try, my [seemingly artificial] disinterest grows until I have to put it down. No matter how badly I would love to read it through and through to figure out what parts of the puzzle I could recognize.

Everything else [other topics] doesn't seem to trigger it.

It's why you'll rarely ever see me refer to anyone who has written books.

Fore
06-21-2014, 10:00 AM
By the way Edward,

My head is hurting along the left side and is pulsing gradually. I know that old feeling. It's part of one of my psychic structures trying to turn itself "on" without my express intention.

Probably reacting to the remote psychic scans from last night. I haven't had those types of pains in a really long time. It reminds me that this is what always happens.

It also makes me feel like I am connected to their network.

pontificator
06-21-2014, 02:10 PM
@Pandora, With me I get a variety of heads-up effects depending on what is happening, I'll run through some I have encountered:
1) Usually a sudden buildup of pressure around the skull, this indicates to me something has activated my fields.
2) Pin-like points that come on and stay on, causing extremely localized points of pressure. This effect appears to be associated with psychic filaments, but has a habit of appearing when something is attempting direct manipulation [to "talk" or otherwise.]
3) As in one, but a huge pressure buildup forms around one spot and descends into the skull, I note supernatural beings using this method to "talk" on occasion.
4) The tone: This is usually caused by blood moving in the skull around the ears, it tends to be brief, but indicates a psychic effect of a fairly powerful nature has interacted with my field.
5) The note [a more sharp tone]: Caused when a physical being is nearby, I was once awoken by one of these that was so loud that I thought I'd go deaf on my right side. After waking paralyzed in this condition I asked the entity concerned to release the paralysis [I pointed out the paralysis was unnecessary, and I would not hurt it.] The paralysis vanished, and I was rather surprised to find an extremely young toddler-hybrid paying a visit. I'll never forget the skull, it wasn't fully developed so the skin over the head appeared to be almost draped over a crown [very young children take a while to form a full skull, this particular one had an extremely large cranium to develop.]
6) The pull, with attached emotion: I get a pull in a given direction, with an associated communication as an emotion like concern, most probably Higher mind but could be guardian.
7) The stare: You know something is there, I once linked back to find the other end was cold like something dead, but was a living creature that was very mechanical in purpose; a grey.

There are others, but usually the entity concerned is rather obviously there.

kleemkrishnaya
06-21-2014, 02:34 PM
By the way Edward,

My head is hurting along the left side and is pulsing gradually. I know that old feeling. It's part of one of my psychic structures trying to turn itself "on" without my express intention.

Probably reacting to the remote psychic scans from last night. I haven't had those types of pains in a really long time. It reminds me that this is what always happens.

It also makes me feel like I am connected to their network.

Sorry to hear about your head - I also get sharp, short pains in or on my head, that are not related to migraine, & they seem to be like a "punishment" for certain thoughts - usually rebellious ones.

There are also sounds, sometimes very cetaecean-like noises that happen in localized parts of the brain. .??

And the sudden decrease or increase in pressure around me, seems similar to Pontificator's? And confusion, so I end up making 3 edits for basic spelling errors etc like now!

Pandora'sParadox
06-21-2014, 05:25 PM
...I read all night... so much info... dear god...so many questions...don't know where to start. (Continues reading)

epo333
06-21-2014, 07:59 PM
One thing I'm pretty sure about, I can tell when visitors are around when I get that sense someone is observing me, and get a glimpse of a small entity peaking at me out of the corner of my eye. So vivid were these sightings I would jump up and try to catch a better view of it or them or what ever.

I had this discussion before so won't dwell here that much.

Pandora'sParadox
06-21-2014, 10:00 PM
so...much...reading...
but it's..sooo...good...
:bleh:

One question, Epo333, do you mean like actually seeing them, like hiding behind the book shelf; or within your own eyes?

atmjjc
06-21-2014, 10:03 PM
One thing I'm pretty sure about, I can tell when visitors are around when I get that sense someone is observing me, and get a glimpse of a small entity peaking at me out of the corner of my eye. So vivid were these sightings I would jump up and try to catch a better view of it or them or what ever.

I had this discussion before so won't dwell here that much.

Yep, same thing on my end and they come in all shape and sizes. I am somewhat used to this so the thrill is gone.

They have never bothered me so I just kind of accept the phenomenon now.

I do notice that when I sense that they are aware that I am aware they tend to vanish.

Pandora'sParadox
06-21-2014, 10:32 PM
so its like a"once you know...you know" sort of thing???????

:yikes:

Fore
06-21-2014, 10:35 PM
One thing I'm pretty sure about, I can tell when visitors are around when I get that sense someone is observing me, and get a glimpse of a small entity peaking at me out of the corner of my eye. So vivid were these sightings I would jump up and try to catch a better view of it or them or what ever.

I had this discussion before so won't dwell here that much.You remind me of the various events I had as a small child. I used to try to catch a glimpse of that. (It was a Grey member in my case)

I even tried to tap it when I would notice it moving around the corner of my eye at high speed. I actually ended up tripping backwards over one of them during one encounter. I recall being scared because you can't trip into someone who wasn't supposed to be there.

From a little after that time they changed their phasing settings around their apparent body to prevent me from [physically] seeing traces of their movements. Back then though, I didn't have a real clue who I was dealing with or how they did things.

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I have figured out that the corner of your eye seems to be able to perceive optical events at a slightly different frequency that the center of your eyes.

If you turn on a floor fan and look at it with the corner of your eyesight [sideways without turning your eyes] you'll notice the fan blades appearance changes. I think it has more to do with how the brain captures and processes visual stimulation at nearly right-angles. I think it is that and the fact that the entire surface of your retina is picking up light at various distances when it picks up light at nearly right-angles.

In theory, if you look at an object head on, your retina is basically picking up the light at pretty much the same distance across the majority of it's surface. Might affect how the brain processes the image vs looking at something at nearly right angles where different [retina] surface elements are at slightly different distances.

Might explain why people often see strange things out of the corner of their eye.

Fore
06-21-2014, 11:05 PM
I just took some time to research and see if anyone (in the medical field) had mentioned anything about the corner of ones eyesight seeing things differently. I found two gems and two good explanations.

Taken from:
http://vitreoretinalassociates.com/youreyes.asp

http://s27.postimg.org/uauq3hx5v/eye_details_part_1.png

http://s29.postimg.org/wqussps7b/eye_details_part_2.png

In picture 1, it basically points out that only 5% of the retina is for high definition. (What you usually use when you are looking at something head on)

The rest, apparently around 95% is used for low definition sight. They called it peripheral retina.

As an accident in picture 2, they mentioned seeing "flashes" of light as a sign of fluid moving around in the eye. I only see flashes of light when psychic types [spiritual or ET] are around and emit strong influence fields. I guess that the fluid shifting and moving around in your head can also occur in the liquid in your eyeballs.

So that seems to explain a few ranges of phenomena. It's funny how the info just falls into my lap that way.

Edit: just added Pontif's post to bring into focus "related" phenomena.


@Pandora, With me I get a variety of heads-up effects depending on what is happening, I'll run through some I have encountered:
1) Usually a sudden buildup of pressure around the skull, this indicates to me something has activated my fields.
2) Pin-like points that come on and stay on, causing extremely localized points of pressure. This effect appears to be associated with psychic filaments, but has a habit of appearing when something is attempting direct manipulation [to "talk" or otherwise.]
3) As in one, but a huge pressure buildup forms around one spot and descends into the skull, I note supernatural beings using this method to "talk" on occasion.
4) The tone: This is usually caused by blood moving in the skull around the ears, it tends to be brief, but indicates a psychic effect of a fairly powerful nature has interacted with my field.
5) The note [a more sharp tone]: Caused when a physical being is nearby, I was once awoken by one of these that was so loud that I thought I'd go deaf on my right side. After waking paralyzed in this condition I asked the entity concerned to release the paralysis [I pointed out the paralysis was unnecessary, and I would not hurt it.] The paralysis vanished, and I was rather surprised to find an extremely young toddler-hybrid paying a visit. I'll never forget the skull, it wasn't fully developed so the skin over the head appeared to be almost draped over a crown [very young children take a while to form a full skull, this particular one had an extremely large cranium to develop.]
6) The pull, with attached emotion: I get a pull in a given direction, with an associated communication as an emotion like concern, most probably Higher mind but could be guardian.
7) The stare: You know something is there, I once linked back to find the other end was cold like something dead, but was a living creature that was very mechanical in purpose; a grey.

There are others, but usually the entity concerned is rather obviously there.

epo333
06-22-2014, 12:09 AM
so...much...reading...
but it's..sooo...good...
:bleh:

One question, Epo333, do you mean like actually seeing them, like hiding behind the book shelf; or within your own eyes?

Usually partly exposed in a doorway or from behind a piece of furniture.

I guess they never bothered me other then just knowing they are there, which means they are doing something of their own agenda unknown to me.

Fore
06-22-2014, 12:19 AM
@ Pontif/Montalk

Here is an interesting video that reminded me of the "overlays" system used/taught/experimented by the ET. Of course, this is a video made by regular people but the concept is uncanny and pretty similar. Though since this is human-centric in its conception it is more visual orientated with a regular UI than what actually exists in the ET circles and their various experiments.

The ET version of overlays is more "extensive", in-depth and isn't necessarily visual in it's interaction. I would say it is more of a mental/awareness orientated with a sensory overlay to experience information in ones consciousness.

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So for example, like when the dork opens his fridge and "sees" the temperature, the real ET version is more that the user "is aware" of the temperature of a particular product in the fridge.

The same is true for when the dork interacts with the lady. Instead of strictly visual cues, the real version is embedded in ones operating consciousness and ongoing awareness. If you "query" for something specific (to your higher mind) it will introduce that information request into the lower consciousness as a sensation or direct experience.

The backbone of the interaction [all via psychic influence] can also be ~simulcast~ (on the ET network on specific ~channels~ to specific ET members) as it also allows for simultaneous awareness among specific people. So what you do or experience on the ground is noticed far away.

etc.
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They modify the psychic structures at the top, sides and inside the head in order to integrate very similar features like what is found in the short film. It's a quantum leap ahead compared to the geeky version shown in this short film. Not as dramatic but much more in-depth, practical and useful.

Like how the dork character in the film abuses it, is very similar to how a real life ET would use it, or intend it to be used. Especially at the end of the short film. It draws a good number of parallels to what you'd find in ET circles and their experiments.

(Except their [ET] version also assists and provides for various features like "knowledge downloads" as someone on the forum once called it. So it is more advanced than what is conceptualized in this short film.)

It will give you a rough idea of what you'll likely see/encounter in some specific projects.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK_cdkpazjI

atmjjc
06-22-2014, 12:38 AM
You remind me of the various events I had as a small child. I used to try to catch a glimpse of that. (It was a Grey member in my case)

I even tried to tap it when I would notice it moving around the corner of my eye at high speed. I actually ended up tripping backwards over one of them during one encounter. I recall being scared because you can't trip into someone who wasn't supposed to be there.

From a little after that time they changed their phasing settings around their apparent body to prevent me from [physically] seeing traces of their movements. Back then though, I didn't have a real clue who I was dealing with or how they did things.

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I have figured out that the corner of your eye seems to be able to perceive optical events at a slightly different frequency that the center of your eyes.

If you turn on a floor fan and look at it with the corner of your eyesight [sideways without turning your eyes] you'll notice the fan blades appearance changes. I think it has more to do with how the brain captures and processes visual stimulation at nearly right-angles. I think it is that and the fact that the entire surface of your retina is picking up light at various distances when it picks up light at nearly right-angles.

In theory, if you look at an object head on, your retina is basically picking up the light at pretty much the same distance across the majority of it's surface. Might affect how the brain processes the image vs looking at something at nearly right angles where different [retina] surface elements are at slightly different distances.

Might explain why people often see strange things out of the corner of their eye.

Unless you have a somewhat well-established connection with ET or other type beings of similar origin and you can distinguish between what you are dealing with by previous associations you may be experiencing a normal condition known as ‘afterimage’.

As an example, you are watching TV and your brain is following movement of the TV screen your brain will also start visualizing movement in peripheral by contrast. Same goes for reading a book or viewing a computer screen or even staring at an object can cause this effect.

There are of course other reasons other than afterimage that can be explained by certain eye conditions that can cause something similar, but afterimage is the most common, even a predisposition to heart disease cannot be ruled out.

Fore
06-22-2014, 01:05 AM
Unless you have a somewhat well-established connection with ET or other type beings of similar origin and you can distinguish between what you are dealing with by previous associations you may be experiencing a normal condition known as ‘afterimage’. If you mean a burn-in from looking at something with high contrast and mild luminosity, then I know of it but that wasn't what this was.


As an example, you are watching TV and your brain is following movement of the TV screen your brain will also start visualizing movement in peripheral by contrast. I don't believe I have encountered "visual movement in peripheral by contrast" in the way you describe it.

An after image is like a simple burn-in for a couple of moments when you look at something that is just bright enough and/or has a high contrast with the surroundings of what you are looking at.

But I haven't encountered "visual movement" in my peripheral with through looking at [high] contrast.

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What little I do still recall it was a black humanoid shape that moved quickly out of the corner of my eyesight. Nothing specific of high contrast or luminosity. And it stopped happening a short time after I moved and tripped [over] one. It was as if the being was moving at a higher rate of speed. [And obviously palpable]

I also noticed that looking at fans (or cheap fluorescent tubes) sideways makes the frequency of oscillation(s) more noticeable.

(In case people don't know, in the old days, cheap fluorescent tubes used to oscillate at about 100hz.)


Same goes for reading a book or viewing a computer screen or even staring at an object can cause this effect. Yeah, I did notice that but the phenomena of the burn-in is entirely different. [Like a book with black text on a white page at regular intervals causes burn in/after images.]

I know what you are referring [even though you put it in a strange way] but these were different than what I think your thinking.


There are of course other reasons other than afterimage that can be explained by certain eye conditions that can cause something similar, but afterimage is the most common, even a predisposition to heart disease cannot be ruled out. If it were heart disease it would continue to occur.

I am happy to report it does not. That specific incident was when I was pretty young. Any other incidents were almost always sporadic in a specific cluster of time. [Not to mention coinciding with other phenomena that wasn't visually orientated...etc]

atmjjc
06-22-2014, 02:28 AM
Afterimage is sometimes not as simple as you are trying to make it out to be but most of the time it is pretty easy to understand and straight forward.

It is not so much as burn in as you call it but how the brain interprets the burn in when you are unaware as what your brain is interpreting in its viewing in sort of a dual image mode as watching TV with 2d motion or reading a book with eye movement and different lighting (contrast) in your peripheral view. Your brain starts seeing things in peripheral afterimage it will start filling in interpretation almost in an unconscious mode. Usually it is benign and doesn't happen too often that your brain switches mode and into the peripheral understanding and starts interpreting it in its preset observations as filling in the blanks with known images from the afterimages it was interpreting.

As far as heart disease goes, unless you are having symptoms of heart disease it can go undetected unless you are tested for it. Symptoms may be systematic but heart disease just doesn't go away because you become symptom free or wish it away. Some people never suffer any symptoms at all until they have a heart attack.

Fore I don't believe your experience was an afterimage effect. I was talking in general.

montalk
06-22-2014, 04:40 AM
I have figured out that the corner of your eye seems to be able to perceive optical events at a slightly different frequency that the center of your eyes.

If you turn on a floor fan and look at it with the corner of your eyesight [sideways without turning your eyes] you'll notice the fan blades appearance changes. I think it has more to do with how the brain captures and processes visual stimulation at nearly right-angles. I think it is that and the fact that the entire surface of your retina is picking up light at various distances when it picks up light at nearly right-angles.

In theory, if you look at an object head on, your retina is basically picking up the light at pretty much the same distance across the majority of it's surface. Might affect how the brain processes the image vs looking at something at nearly right angles where different [retina] surface elements are at slightly different distances.

Might explain why people often see strange things out of the corner of their eye.

Along those lines, apparently the rod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_cell) and cone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cone_cell) receptors are distributed differently on the retina. Cones are near the center of vision for maximum color detection, rods concentrated in the periphery for motion detection in dim light. So seeing things out of the corner of your eye may have something to do with rods as well.

Dogs and cats have way more rods than we do, maybe that's why they can see paranormal stuff more easily and look directly at it? Not sure if that's due to their eyes, or if dogs/cats have naturally developed psychic structures...

Edward
06-22-2014, 06:00 AM
By the way Edward,

My head is hurting along the left side and is pulsing gradually. I know that old feeling. It's part of one of my psychic structures trying to turn itself "on" without my express intention.

Probably reacting to the remote psychic scans from last night. I haven't had those types of pains in a really long time. It reminds me that this is what always happens.

It also makes me feel like I am connected to their network.

Ok. Thanks.

Oh btw, my take on why certain ET's, perhaps the one's in your case monitor what certain topics are said and not said ect... Is because it certainly feels from what you been talking about them and some of your disdain of what they have done is this. They don't want us(human beings) to be aware of them, ourselves and what is possible from them and what we are capable of. Now where does this leave us? What are we to think and why is it this way? You've probably asked this many times of yourself. Perhaps you may even have an answer to it all.


Oh about reading books and in the same breadth of us being interfered with, with our own mind and thoughts to keep us off track and to even cause groups to break down. I think this also goes the same with learning information that "they" don't want you to have. I know myself that when reading books and stuff its was at first very hard to read anything at any length. What I did was just read a little at a time. Sometimes I would eventually be able to read a lot then I couldnt take it anymore and put it down. But this might work for ya. Just read it in sections and dont worry about pages or what ever and then put the book down or what ever and come back to it later when you feel you can read another section. It doesn't matter how long, just keep breaking it down into sections at a time and come back to it later when your concentration isn't there or you feel sleepy. I do plenty of reading so mentally I shouldn't feel tired just reading a little bit but I know it comes on and I always wonder if I'm being "fracked" with so to keep me disinterested in the new material that I'm reading. This also goes for listening to stuff. It works just like eating turkey at thanksgiving. Just as it starts to get really good. Bam you get all sleepy. Hopefully, what I said here will help in you being better tackle reading books.

Edward

Pandora'sParadox
06-22-2014, 08:03 PM
My only experiences are...
When I had my eyeballs messed with and I saw that image
The tones I can actually hear...someone had mentioned earlier, "Like an old t.v." exactly like that. Sometimes its dull and slow, other times; it will actually deafen to were all I can hear is a "ringing hummm"
Grew up with a lot of animals. Like 5 dogs in the house. Would be standing there, in the kitchen; and the very distinct feeling of eyes on you. The dogs all look, so I spin around as fast as I can...nothing is there. BUT as soon as I look, it goes away. The dogs don't look, and that feeling subsides.
I'm a little worried...I hear and feel this crap, but have never noticed actual "talking"...or at least I can't remember it.

Fore
06-24-2014, 10:02 AM
The bit which I am really fuzzy on is how the information combined allows a person to actually connect to another individual [the bit in between you and them.] Certainly I consider it distance independent to a point, but from what I see there is no real "path-finding" beyond constructing a profile which acts as a lookup in an index of sorts [I suspect this is were the higher-mind does the heavy lifting, and obscures the actual process.]

The easiest answer is,

Related to the earlier discussion we had on what is "the size of the spirit".
I don't recall offhand if it was in this thread or another one.

In that discussion I basically covered the topic of the spirit [the non-physical portions] not being embedded in our physical universe as you'd normally hear people describe it. If you ask anyone where their spirit is, they'd say it was in their body. The reality [as ET lessons dictated] was that the spirit isn't embedded in spacetime at a physical level.

Only the physical organic structure is embedded in spacetime.

The other critical component is the psychic structures which are a part of this universe, BUT, not a part of the physical Universe. This is an issue with current day concepts. Where the universe is basically defined as physical mass or energy in a handful of dimensions.

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The ET version has a sublayer that is as real as your hand, (and is actually accepted widely in mysticism and spiritual circles) that the universe has a subreality that is part and parcel of this reality.

In this sublayer of this reality (generally referred to as "Influence Space") the organic body has non-material components. That is the "inter-connect". It can manipulate values of physical reality. Like a non-random event generator, it organizes processes in the organic body at a physics level. The invisible tether that allows a spirit to control an organic bag of chemicals.

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Anyway, the thing is, the parameters of this interconnect are obviously [normally] confined to the parameters of the human body. Something that someone is born with. The interconnect itself is in a ~fuzzy~ state of reality. In the sublayer of reality it exists where there is no time and no "real" space as any normal person could easily define it.

It only entangles itself to the parameters of the human body because [apparently] UT custom design the structures for each living individual before they are [apparently] born. Like a power plug to it's socket.

This means that this "inter-connect" can pick up data at various points in distant spacetime IF [in ET theory and actual application] the components of the interconnect develop:

--The ability to control and focus it's personally coded influence signature to distances beyond the organic body.
--The ability to...transcribe data...that is not body centric.
--The ability to develop the interconnect to a degree in which structures form for third party [foreign] influence manipulation; not originating from the interconnect of the human body.

Fore
06-24-2014, 10:24 AM
At the beginning (and for most average psychics, the end) developed psychic structure(s) forming an "inter-connect" to the spirit of a person. Will only be able to manipulate and receive data from it's own specific influence signature.
Meaning, that at the beginning your field will only be able to read, change, or experience data from it's own unique signature.

This is mainly due to how the structures are programmed to operate by default.

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This is one core reason why psychics at the very beginning can only register sensation of their own personal influence field generated by their Inter-connect. The rest of the foreign influence fields generated by other human beings is "not there" or barely perceived.

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The next evolution seems to vary, for most, they begin to develop the ability to sense foreign influence fields. They begin to be able to read, change or experience data from foreign signatures. The first experiences of PSI at varying distances from the human body. Very confined and limited forms of ESP.

---Mind Reading
---Remote Perception
Etc

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The next evolution are the development of external inter-connect structures. Developed outside the confines of the human body, these structures allow for the sensation of foreign fields. Including those not generated or embedded in organic structures. [Rocks, land, atmosphere, objects etc.]

At this stage, these heavy duty structures are more amplified and capable, they can transmit across a wider range of spectrums and configurations of influence. These EFM [External Field Manipulation] structures can manipulate the properties of inorganic and organic influence data. Full-on ESP experiences.

---Telekenetic
---Psychometry
---Telepathy [broader spectrum]
Etc

Most importantly, ESP [Extra-Sensory Phenomena] is now common. The individual now experiences not only their immediate body but also "psychic" sensations of distant reception of various kinds of influence field data.

The EFM structures now feed data to the IFM [Internal] structures to create a consciousness that is "richer in awareness".

The EFM structures are now capable of affecting, directing and manipulating influence at large distances. The consciousness of the living person directing the EFM structures can pay attention to people and things beyond the immediate vicinity of the organic body.

The spirit side hasn't changed very much, it is only the "Inter-connect" [the conduit of data] and the parameters of what constitutes conscious "awareness".

Fore
06-24-2014, 10:43 AM
Why does a piece of text someone wrote on some message board allow someone to form a psychic bond or awareness?

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The answer is tricky but pretty simple.

When you wrote it, you left your influence imprint in spacetime. When you look at the text, you eyes only see a text written by anonymous.

When your higher components look, they target. When targeting occurs successfully, it skips large distances with it's collection activity. Often it might also skip timeframes, but that depends on other developments.

Keep in mind the higher components are not physical. They aren't necessarily confined to "seeing and hearing". It only see's influence data. At large distances, timeframes and probability. When someone successfully targets someone who wrote something, they pick up the signature of the living individual.

Once that is signature is acquired, they can re-target the individual who wrote it as long as they can control all the psychic components in a logical [and pragmatic] way.

[This is the beginning of remote perception by the way]

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People can imagine it as an invisible probing that can peek at varying distances and across timeframes (and probabilities).

Without the EFM structures and the properly configured consciousness:
[As a targeting vector]
Text is useless,
Speech is useless,
Personal data specific to one person is useless,
Being face to face is useless,

Anyone reading this can try and "think" all they want about what their spouse is really thinking but nothing psychic will happen if all of the above isn't in working order.

It will only work if the prerequisite supporting structures are in place and working.

Fore
06-24-2014, 10:49 AM
It is ten times easier to see the influence signature you are trying to acquire if they target you unconsciously.

You write something, they read it, you sense their unconscious observation or connection, you identify it and look back. Now you know what that particular signature looks like.

[And this is why I say to be careful when reading through the contents of old threads of mine, ET's can do the same type of targeting very easily. They are aware of when people target them unconsciously through their use of upper psychic features. The will obviously probe back.]

pontificator
06-24-2014, 11:10 AM
[And this is why I say to be careful when reading through the contents of old threads of mine, ET's can do the same type of targeting very easily. They are aware of when people target them unconsciously through their use of upper psychic features. The will obviously probe back.]
*Aside to readers* Want to know what an ET probing your mind feels like? Read that infamous thread Epo333 links to in post #1246. If they like what they see you may even get a personal visit; like I did. For those of you who suddenly find it hard to read, be aware that you are actually experiencing direct manipulation of your mind, it is a good opportunity to train yourself to keep going under these adverse conditions.

Pandora'sParadox
06-24-2014, 05:42 PM
I've been reading...for 2 days...

I don't really know whats going on...every time I go back to the posts, it's like watching static on a t.v.
Even standing up, walking towards the monitor, standing 6 inches away from the text, can't seem to grasp the words. This is NOT due to lack of interest, (why would I keep going back)
The only other anomaly I'm experiencing, is a very distinct "dizzy" feeling when I look down to type. (yes....i look down to type. LoL)
I'm getting the pressure behind the eyes, but I strain them to somewhat equalize it...need a break.

Pandora'sParadox
06-24-2014, 06:22 PM
Cannot get rid of the static...This is a very distinct feeling of just being lost. Tried to go outside....can't get rid of it. Was making out my elec payment, almost couldn't write my name...went to the post office, almost forgot where I was...wtf sort of witch craft you put in those posts???Lmao

But seriously...need to get rid of this fuzzyness...

Meditation required???

Fore
06-24-2014, 11:08 PM
I've been reading...for 2 days...

I don't really know whats going on...every time I go back to the posts, it's like watching static on a t.v.
Even standing up, walking towards the monitor, standing 6 inches away from the text, can't seem to grasp the words. This is NOT due to lack of interest, (why would I keep going back)
The only other anomaly I'm experiencing, is a very distinct "dizzy" feeling when I look down to type. (yes....i look down to type. LoL)
I'm getting the pressure behind the eyes, but I strain them to somewhat equalize it...need a break.It's what other people have reported in the past. (various versions)

Though, what you describe is roughly what it feels like for me to try to open up a piece of literature on ET experiencers.
Blogs and long text make me feel that way. No matter how interesting or imperative I might want to read it.

Whats funny is that it appears to be context sensitive in it's application. For example, I could read a book on anything other than that. I can sit here and talk with you about what a book said for 80 pages. But pick up the book and read through it, well...I'd only get to about 20 pages and then I can't anymore.

Migraines (which aren't) trigger.
Headaches trigger.
Feelings of illness trigger.
Aversion.
Discomfort.
Inability to concentrate etc.

It stops a few minutes after you stop reading or "trying to read". So the effect itself is VERY selective as to whatever triggers it.
You'd expect it to be an ET or something actively watching, but I have figured out it's not always the case. It appears that at some point, they must have inserted into me a directive that keeps me from doing certain activity. (Like a form of psychic induced hypnosis only on the upper structures.)

While other people who have read my thread often said it seemed to start at some point after they began reading. They come down with symptoms that disallows them from continuing. Others said they "sense" something or someone looking in on them. Others said an invisible pressure they can't fully describe other than to say they believe it is "there" everytime they continue reading.

etc etc, a whole host of other symptoms

What it boils down to is just that they are being analyzed, profiled and cataloged to see what they already know, how many connections they have with other community members, whom specifically they have potential contact with and what threat they obviously might experience.

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Some folks who already had pre-existing contact with their own ET group also remarked (funny enough) after trying to read through the thread that they were "prohibited" from reading through an imposed "consent". While others had "reactions" when their ET handler found out what they had been reading.

It's all pretty funny to sometimes hear about it.



Cannot get rid of the static...This is a very distinct feeling of just being lost. Tried to go outside....can't get rid of it. Was making out my elec payment, almost couldn't write my name...went to the post office, almost forgot where I was... It should clear itself if you stop reading. Though that is the rub LOL.


wtf sort of witch craft you put in those posts???Lmao LMAO [literally]

Thanks, you made me laugh a good laugh at reading that.


But seriously...need to get rid of this fuzzyness...

Meditation required???Try everything and then share what works. I want to know too. (other than stop reading)

pontificator
06-25-2014, 02:06 AM
Cannot get rid of the static...This is a very distinct feeling of just being lost. Tried to go outside....can't get rid of it. Was making out my elec payment, almost couldn't write my name...went to the post office, almost forgot where I was...wtf sort of witch craft you put in those posts???Lmao

But seriously...need to get rid of this fuzzyness...

Meditation required???
*Ack, just as I even thought of writing this reply [3 seconds, that is their time to detection concerning me] I got locked on. Looks like the ET concerned is watching very carefully. But, they cannot change what I was about to write ;)*

Connect/Link back to the entity that is currently connecting to you, and simply "stare". Sounds difficult, but it's the first stage to getting your targeting working correctly. You may also get some feedback, like the feeling of something cold staring back, or perhaps your "minds-eye" might give you an idea of what it looks like. Barring that, connect to me if possible and your abilities will activate, then try the entity again (this can be dangerous, I seem to act as a catalyst and can cause people to experience new and unexpected things they are not prepared for.)

Fore
06-25-2014, 10:19 AM
*Ack, just as I even thought of writing this reply [3 seconds, that is their time to detection concerning me] I got locked on. Looks like the ET concerned is watching very carefully. But, they cannot change what I was about to write ;)* Advice: just make Pontif go blank. LOL.

Anyway, I am surprised it is 3 seconds. Usually the response time for mine was about 3 mins. (Then again, once they watch carefully, it's is pretty much as fast as you describe.)


Connect/Link back to the entity that is currently connecting to you, and simply "stare". Sounds difficult, but it's the first stage to getting your targeting working correctly. You may also get some feedback, like the feeling of something cold staring back, or perhaps your "minds-eye" might give you an idea of what it looks like. Barring that, connect to me if possible and your abilities will activate, then try the entity again (this can be dangerous, I seem to act as a catalyst and can cause people to experience new and unexpected things they are not prepared for.)Are you talking to Ed or Paradox?

I haven't used mine so I know the scans your all getting aren't from me.

At around 7pm CST this night, I got a strange sensation of an influence pulse (edit: I should probably say "concentrated spot" instead) that made my psychic awareness stand to attention. And something passing by overhead is what triggered it. (which is strange since I shouldn't be able to sense anything unless it is super obvious)
My radio went blank (no static, no signal) for about three minutes. I didn't touch it and just waited. Then the signal came back.
Only strange thing to occur in the last 24 hours. That and some small chatter from one UT but that doesn't seem too relevant since I am unsure as to what was said.

If the radio ever goes dead again, I'll flip through the stations to see if they all go blank. I'll see if it was like what happened in Miami with the Grey.

Other than that, nothing to report.

Pandora'sParadox
06-25-2014, 05:51 PM
*Ack, just as I even thought of writing this reply [3 seconds, that is their time to detection concerning me] I got locked on. Looks like the ET concerned is watching very carefully. But, they cannot change what I was about to write ;)*

Connect/Link back to the entity that is currently connecting to you, and simply "stare". Sounds difficult, but it's the first stage to getting your targeting working correctly. You may also get some feedback, like the feeling of something cold staring back, or perhaps your "minds-eye" might give you an idea of what it looks like. Barring that, connect to me if possible and your abilities will activate, then try the entity again (this can be dangerous, I seem to act as a catalyst and can cause people to experience new and unexpected things they are not prepared for.)


Unprepared???
This was beyond what I'd imagined as to difficult. If I had to describe a certain feeling; it would be that I was missing a 7 inch circle around the top of my head. (mind blown)LoL
Ever since I last posted...extreme pressure behind my eyes and right in the center of the base of my skull, tip top spine area. Like brain stem...

So bad, almost called off work, just had this lost like forgetful whatever feeling. (Wandering the house in a fog until I was late for work) The only thing I could do was nap. Was like an instant, and my alarm went off for work. Threw on pants and out the door I went...but the feeling was different. Significantly different, as not the feeling of me giving a signal; so to speak...but like I was in "the Truman show"...almost like something was looking through my eyes for about 6-7 min. Then it was gone. The heavy-ness was lifted and I was good. (Like in the middle of driving, sudden "ahhhh" feeling and the release of pressure. VERY NOTICEABLE). People at worked even mentioned my paleness and jumpyness...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------next day

I've contacted some other in response to my phenomenon...never had something like this come up. I would like to be prepared. I would have posted this last night, but my internet has been down for awhile. Recalling it back to when I was driving, I want to say that I was acting sort of like a beacon...pulsing out the signal; until it felt as though something was "viewing" through my eyes.
To describe the feeling again....it was like a circle of the top of my head was gone. Like the top of my head was exposed; for lack of a better word...no pain; just dizzy/uncomfortable.
Almost like some sort of pressure, or an acclamation to pressure. Haven't went back to reading...need to be more ready next time.


I want to harness this...I figure the worst is over...I must improve.
(Tiger Woods Fist Pump)

Fore
06-25-2014, 11:38 PM
Personally, I am not sure if I should congratulate you, or be concerned.

Normally, I would do the former, but since I know all the burden you'll face with your evolving condition...
I'd be really careful of doing exactly what Pontif just told you to do. Please, keep in mind all the warnings iterated by different people.



Unprepared???
This was beyond what I'd imagined as to difficult. If I had to describe a certain feeling; it would be that I was missing a 7 inch circle around the top of my head. (mind blown)LoL It sounds like your inter-connect is trying to clean out the main trunk of any foreign influence. But more concerning, later on in this post you mentioned the upper loop...and several other symptoms of higher-end activation.


Ever since I last posted...extreme pressure behind my eyes and right in the center of the base of my skull, tip top spine area. Like brain stem... Typical of initializing your psychic field after a long period of inactivity.

What is "concerning" is that it sounds like you have been scanned by some entity prior to all this. I find it hard to fathom you've skipped every other stage near the begining and are displaying latter stage symptoms of activation sequences.

Meaning, someone (likely an ET) has tapped your field, likely [forcibly] turned it up and then stopped scanning and left you that way.

As a normal psychic you normally shouldn't be experiencing anything that high end unless you came into contact with someone that already had high end features and has accessed you. Your text in your post [disturbingly] describes such an incident. I don't think Pontif would have been the source.

Please, keep in mind, if you get yourself into a contact scenario no one will be able to extricate you out of such a scenario. I know you have ample curiosity, but please proceed with extreme caution. I know everything you are experiencing, but I didn't expect you to experience it so quickly.

How much of the text did you absorb in 2 days?


So bad, almost called off work, just had this lost like forgetful whatever feeling. (Wandering the house in a fog until I was late for work) Normal. Your [seemingly forced] psychic activation likely occurred before any of your influence structures are capable of handling the load.

The fact that someone accessed the upper loop (that 7inch "hole" feeling at the top of your head) means that you'll be venting influence like crazy without any EFM types of developed control structures to control the flow.


The only thing I could do was nap. Was like an instant, and my alarm went off for work. Threw on pants and out the door I went...but the feeling was different. Significantly different, as not the feeling of me giving a signal; so to speak...but like I was in "the Truman show"...almost like something was looking through my eyes for about 6-7 min. Then it was gone. The heavy-ness was lifted and I was good. (Like in the middle of driving, sudden "ahhhh" feeling and the release of pressure. VERY NOTICEABLE). People at worked even mentioned my paleness and jumpyness... Welcome to your first day of higher end psychic activation. (and/or interaction with [likely] an ET reading your mind)



-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------next day

I've contacted some other in response to my phenomenon...never had something like this come up. I would like to be prepared. I would have posted this last night, but my internet has been down for awhile. Recalling it back to when I was driving, I want to say that I was acting sort of like a beacon...pulsing out the signal; until it felt as though something was "viewing" through my eyes.
To describe the feeling again....it was like a circle of the top of my head was gone. Like the top of my head was exposed; for lack of a better word...no pain; just dizzy/uncomfortable.
Almost like some sort of pressure, or an acclamation to pressure. Haven't went back to reading...need to be more ready next time. You are just venting influence at a high rate. It'll feel better when all the internal gunk [foreign influence] that you pick up by sitting or being near other people has vented out.

But the thing is, you'd need to keep a sort of "positive pressure" on your influence field to keep foreign influence from embedding itself in your system.



I want to harness this...I figure the worst is over...I must improve.
(Tiger Woods Fist Pump)I wouldn't be so sure.

Keep in mind, the ET normally perform stress tests on your psychology and given mindset to figure out if your "stable" [enough]. From the looks of things it sounds like someone accessed you and [lazily] left your influence field turned "on". Like someone flipped a switch into the "on" position. If you aren't careful, when your lower consciousness starts to come under the stress of excess information from your higher mind you might experience adverse problems.

You will literally have to be flying by the seat of your pants on this.

The good thing is, if you stop reading you'll likely never get accessed again. And in turn, that might mean you'll eventually turn off over time. If not, I hope you have a good time with all this.

Pandora'sParadox
06-26-2014, 01:24 AM
So...
You reference "venting influences"... influences from where?
You mention skipping steps? Damn...If I knew there was a manual, I would have gave it a once over first...lol, could you explain these missing steps I jumped? Are they important?
I will be preforming this again...but experimental procedures will be followed. I might start tonight after work...at least get a plan in order.
In reference to pontif, can he remote link to me somehow??? Need more explanations on his abilities...is it like remote viewing?
I'll go more into detail once I'm back in front of a desktop.

Fore
06-26-2014, 01:40 AM
So...
You reference "venting influences"... influences from where? From the interior of your body, specifically your psychic structures. (Your inter-connect.)



You mention skipping steps? Damn...If I knew there was a manual, I would have gave it a once over first...lol, could you explain these missing steps I jumped? Are they important? I wrote about it in the pages you are reading through.

Are they important....

Yes and No. If someone else who is an advanced psychic connects to you, they can remotely force your structures to become active. Whether it is stable or not to the person experiencing it is another question.


I will be preforming this again...but experimental procedures will be followed. I might start tonight after work...at least get a plan in order.
In reference to pontif, can he remote link to me somehow??? He should be able to. If you experiment with a third party closer to where you live, let me know of the results if it is fine with you.


Need more explanations on his abilities...is it like remote viewing?
I'll go more into detail once I'm back in front of a desktop.You should ask Pontif as I haven't got a list of his abilities.

Pandora'sParadox
06-26-2014, 02:18 AM
I wouldn't even know we're to begin with trying it with another person...I'm the kind that needs instructions. I'll be starting over from page 1. See how far I get before things start "clicking".

Hey pontif, help a brother out... get inside my brain and make sure stuffs.connected where it should be. Lol...but seriously, hit me up

pontificator
06-26-2014, 03:44 AM
I wouldn't even know we're to begin with trying it with another person...I'm the kind that needs instructions. I'll be starting over from page 1. See how far I get before things start "clicking".

Hey pontif, help a brother out... get inside my brain and make sure stuffs.connected where it should be. Lol...but seriously, hit me up

@ Fore, I honestly didn't expect he'd activate to that extent either, normally people only turn-on the abilities they already had in a latent state. I'm thinking it might be worthwhile looking at getting it to settle down to a lower level, then see about getting the baby-steps stage sorted out.

@Pandora, I think you may want to try and get that [your current circumstances] under control for now, I have a habit of simply turning on peoples abilities if I connect directly to them. Rest a while [I'm thinking a week or so] then continue doing a bit more reading, careful and meticulous reading, and pause if it happens again; rinse, repeat [ be aware that the current set of things you are experiencing can take a very long time to get under control.] The idea is that if you take things a bit slower you will be able to get things to a manageable state. Right now that's certainly not manageable, so concentrate on keeping it together/grounded for the moment.

lycaeus
06-26-2014, 05:07 AM
@Paradox, I know what you mean by the Truman show feeling. have you ever smoked weed or eaten magic mushrooms or consumed dot? feelings of artificial reality in a psychedelic sort of mind I think are symptoms of alien contact in some way, maybe abduction, maybe just mental or psychic connection.

There have been a couple times where I suspect I had an abduction experience in retrospect because of the psychedelic tippy state of mind we'd spontaneously experience some nights, usually around 3 am. We would go for walks around town and remark how cartoonist and plastic or artificial our modern society appears. we'd look at houses as if they were extensions of some artificial intelligent parasite spreading it's tentacles around mother earth. and how humans were like the red blood cells pumped around the veins (roads) of this planet. ...lots of weird thoughts like that in those altered states of mind that came about spontaneously without drugs.

I also remember my old room mate describing my aura to me one time and he said exactly as you described about the 7 inch hole. He saw a 7 inch black hole above my head distinct from the changing colors of blues and purple and violet. I've read that alien abductee's are known by a black hole or black stain in their auras...something like that. There might be something to that theory.... but when I started reading fore's old threads I'd spent 3 hours a day eating through it all. Then I found a triangle abduction mark. I haven't read much of it since besides maybe an hour or 2 in total the past year. so you might attract attention that could freak you out, then your excitement and possible paranoia could energetically attract more scary phenomena. and that might be a challenge if you like sleeping every night so my advice is to stay grounded and calm and happy. I think that truth seekers are influenced to become despondent when they become too aware and rattle too many cages. that's to throw you off course so u don't become a future 'troublemaker' to the agendas that be.

Edward
06-26-2014, 03:36 PM
*Ack, just as I even thought of writing this reply [3 seconds, that is their time to detection concerning me] I got locked on. Looks like the ET concerned is watching very carefully. But, they cannot change what I was about to write ;)*

Connect/Link back to the entity that is currently connecting to you, and simply "stare". Sounds difficult, but it's the first stage to getting your targeting working correctly. You may also get some feedback, like the feeling of something cold staring back, or perhaps your "minds-eye" might give you an idea of what it looks like. Barring that, connect to me if possible and your abilities will activate, then try the entity again (this can be dangerous, I seem to act as a catalyst and can cause people to experience new and unexpected things they are not prepared for.)

I've been having internet issues. To the point of not being able to get online, to where I'm online for like 30 seconds and it goes down.

Actually in a way I have done that but not consciously. But most times when stuff happens it just happens. I get a lot and I do mean a lot from time to time of images in my vision of various facial and head shots of various "beings" Ranging from gray like looking beings to A Reptillian up close side profile of the face showing the eye and side facial features. Also my most recent one from about a couple weeks ago that really stands out is a being I have not previously seen before. I got a pretty good Full head shot. They had dark brownish to blackish skin but their skin had what I called "ridges" and they were vertical and the facial features were not smooth. I remember the eyes being very distinct like an electric skyblue color that like glowed or "shined" a little Oh and these ridges I first noticed was on the forehead of the being. I tried to draw it in my paint but it was pretty bad looking, but if anyone wants to see it I can show ya. Eyes where horizontally elongated. Like slanted eyes but say 2-3 times bigger than what one would associated if you would think of perhaps people's of the Far East decent in human terms.

Next time if I get these images I'll do just that Pontif, I'll hold the image as long as I can and just stare and just see if I can pick up anything.


Edward

Edward
06-26-2014, 03:45 PM
@Fore and everyone else following the current discussion of the last page and a half or so.........


I think it's important to keep talking about the experiences of what we all encounter so that we know consciously whats going on. I think this is why some people are getting the attention they are getting. Certain beings may not want you to have the knowledge or understanding. It could be because they just don't want you to have it for various reasons. Or It could be that its not time for you to have the information and there are beings actually looking out for you in a way. I don't know. It could be a little bit of both or reasons totally different all together. Either way, I say this. If you have an interest in finding out the truth, finding and discovering our abilities that can further your experience(s) then go for it. I believe we are all here to better ourselves and each other. Yes I know, we may not like what we find. So be it. I don't like Jelly but doesn't mean I have to dwell on not liking Jelly, I'll just stick with the Peanut butter :cool:



Edward

Pandora'sParadox
06-26-2014, 07:35 PM
@Paradox, I know what you mean by the Truman show feeling. have you ever smoked weed or eaten magic mushrooms or consumed dot? feelings of artificial reality in a psychedelic sort of mind I think are symptoms of alien contact in some way, maybe abduction, maybe just mental or psychic connection.

There have been a couple times where I suspect I had an abduction experience in retrospect because of the psychedelic tippy state of mind we'd spontaneously experience some nights, usually around 3 am. We would go for walks around town and remark how cartoonist and plastic or artificial our modern society appears. we'd look at houses as if they were extensions of some artificial intelligent parasite spreading it's tentacles around mother earth. and how humans were like the red blood cells pumped around the veins (roads) of this planet. ...lots of weird thoughts like that in those altered states of mind that came about spontaneously without drugs.

To answer, yes; I've tried the "wacky tobaccy"...nothing else. Really don't see the need to alter reality THAT much. (What is Dot???) Damn, I've been "out of the game" for too long I know kids huff their own poo now...but damn...Lmfao

As for my experience thus far, I've backed away from reading...until I get a more stable foundation for re-trying something. Every time my mind even HINTS at going back to look; that little hole in the top of my head starts to open. Sort of like a beacon, I can actually feel it and then I usually say, "we are not getting into that again, not until I'm ready"

I'm not trying to be a troublemaker in the sense...I just want the knowledge. EVERYONE references keeping a positive attitude and making sure that the negative forces don't get through.

Can anyone provide examples of negativity or what one would expect when facing negative "things"? Keeping positive doesn't seem to be enough of a motivator to want to continue if I'm going to let in "the son of sam" sort of crap.

Another interesting thing I wanted to point out, (aside from taking a reading break) is I'm trying to meditate. Last night, whilst I sit and focus energy...
I could see a sort of kaleidoscope style patterns being shown to me. In shades of purple and blue...the only thing I could do was stare at it. Pretty trippy stuff...

@ Pontif, I've taken your advise and am willing to take anymore you have to give. LoL Are there any pre-baby steps you might wanna throw out there? Because I have to say; That experience was like falling down the "alice rabbit hole" and getting my brain scrambled on high. I still feel like I'm having slight residual effects still, "eyes mostly" so I've decided to keep things mundane and slow for a while.

epo333
06-27-2014, 01:00 AM
Edward & Pandora,

It is amazing to me to watch this all play out again.
I couldn't find the discussions in fore's blogs about electronic interference and computer/network anomalies, but that is a strong sign of ET butting in and manipulating in a heavy handed way.

Same with the bouts of confusion on Pandora's part. Consider these statements just my observation. Believe it or not I am trying not to be a participant by skipping a couple of pages between my posts.

Think that might work fore...?

Also know that there are at least 30 or so lurking in this thread, with unknown influence on things...!

Carry on, I'll be watching . . . :thumbup:

lycaeus
06-27-2014, 05:04 AM
Sorry I meant to say dmt not dot.

Edward, I used to see demons and alien monsters when I closed my eyes too. It might be aliens but I think it could be demons hanging around. I'm pretty sure that's what it was in my case. After going through the process of cleaning up my life a bit I just stopped seeing them. It was bad at one point, like every night with the eyes closed bam! some monstrous being would appear until I drowned it out with distracting thoughts. I think a big thing that helped was becoming less afraid of death and accepting life with less fear... it could be aliens but I think it's more often demon problems that people get. ... I was going to delete this post as soon as I finished typing but I'll just let it be.;)

Fore
06-27-2014, 06:30 AM
Something is here on this side,
@ about 11:27pm CST for the last 4 hours

Unknown if it is ET or Paranormal.

I can only tell that I can sense the background connection to something that is conscious. Otherwise it is doing an excellent job in hiding it's psychic signature. "Things feel off somehow".

Edward
06-27-2014, 06:32 AM
Thanks Lycaeus. While I do see some stuff with my eyes closed I get quite of few stuff while my eyes are wide open and these images just pop in mind minds eye. For example laying in bed, walking into a room. On the production line doing my job. Like Ray says from Ghostbusters the movie "It just popped in there" my minds eye that is.


Edward

Edward
06-27-2014, 06:35 AM
Something is here on this side,
@ about 11:27pm CST for the last 4 hours

Unknown if it is ET or Paranormal.

I can only tell that I can sense the background connection to something that is conscious. Otherwise it is doing an excellent job in hiding it's psychic signature. "Things feel off somehow".



I dont know Fore Im not as adept as you yet at detecting stuff. It seems for me thus far through my whole life up until this point is that I can feel/sense something around sometimes and I get visions/images. That's about it. Oh and while in my dream state or what I think it is, could be other worldly travels is the only time I have any sense of mind to mind telepathy. I definitely know what that feels like. I know what the other being is feeling and get a greater sense for their words and the meaning behind it and its very clear.

Perhaps something could be just peeking in???

Edward

Edward
06-27-2014, 06:41 AM
I dont know Fore Im not as adept as you yet at detecting stuff. It seems for me thus far through my whole life up until this point is that I can feel/sense something around sometimes and I get visions/images. That's about it. Oh and while in my dream state or what I think it is, could be other worldly travels is the only time I have any sense of mind to mind telepathy. I definitely know what that feels like. I know what the other being is feeling and get a greater sense for their words and the meaning behind it and its very clear.

Perhaps something could be just peeking in???

Edward


But as to my typing consciousness here as we speak I've never really experienced that level or depth of telepathy while I'm not sleeping or perhaps off in another world. With the exception on happen stance I pick up on something unconsciously and I'm about to say something then someone says hey lets get pizza for dinner and I was just going to ask them to do the same thing, type thing. Stuff like that .

Edward

Pandora'sParadox
06-27-2014, 07:14 AM
Something is here on this side,
@ about 11:27pm CST for the last 4 hours

Unknown if it is ET or Paranormal.

I can only tell that I can sense the background connection to something that is conscious. Otherwise it is doing an excellent job in hiding it's psychic signature. "Things feel off somehow".

Lol...
Sry, I was uploading my energy whilst I played with a ouija board and reading stuff I shouldn't... I think I channeled the ghost of stonewall jackson.
J/k
:cool:



please don't visit me stonewall jackson. Lol

Edward
06-27-2014, 07:38 AM
Does this mean anything to anyone. "What are you doing!?!? Get out of Here." I was meditating tonight and I am not sure if I was hearing/thinking things made up by my own mind or if I was actually hearing it? It was between my last post above at and about 20 mins from this current post that I was doing such. Looking in the direction of Fore.........


Edward

Fore
06-27-2014, 08:31 AM
I dont know Fore Im not as adept as you yet at detecting stuff.

[...]

Perhaps something could be just peeking in???

EdwardI don't know yet.

I have prayed twice for protection and twice it has gone away and then come back.

Persistent entity. I can only sense the background operation of it's mind. Which means it (or it's influence) is close enough to my field that it could communicate. But nothing in the way of communication. (I am not interested, nor am I trying to communicate)

What bothers me, (besides it being there) is the fact that I cannot sense it's influence body/structures. It is hiding it very well.

I can feel the connection to it's mind, so at the very least it is "somewhere" close enough to interface with my influence field and structures.

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I don't know if it is Paranormal or ET. I only know that it is persistent in "being there"...watching.

If worse comes to worse, I will pull an EPO strategy (as I will now call it) and bail or limit my activity in the thread. Like Epo3 said, it could be one of the 30 anonymous members in this thread.

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Almost always when I touch the subject of psychic phenomena people tend to like to "project with their abilities" (or worse, send an uninvited entity) to do an unsolicited interaction. Like as if I were some kind of practicing buddy...

Fore
06-27-2014, 08:39 AM
Does this mean anything to anyone. "What are you doing!?!? Get out of Here." I was meditating tonight and I am not sure if I was hearing/thinking things made up by my own mind or if I was actually hearing it? It was between my last post above at and about 20 mins from this current post that I was doing such. Looking in the direction of Fore.........


EdwardI don't know, maybe it is a paranormal entity?

All I do know is it only takes 1 person with a history in the paranormal to pass their entit(ies) along. The "lines of association" can be used by third party entities to target individuals.

Considering we are in a thread discussing the psychic, paranormal and/or ET phenomena. The likelihood that someone is carrying "passengers" is pretty high.

If you find that you encounter too many paranormal types simply turn down your influence output ["energy"] and they should wander elsewhere. That, or simply pray. <shrug>

Fore
06-27-2014, 08:45 AM
@ Epo/anyone

I do have an interesting question (now that paradox mentioned something about an autobiography). Are there other people out there that you can read their accounts and some kind of interesting connection happens? [active phenomena, etc]

I mean at the same level of what you guys have experienced when reading my accounts. I would like to know if this is specific to one case or if it is systemic throughout the community.

(I know, dumb question, but still worth asking)

pontificator
06-27-2014, 09:45 AM
@Fore, I must admit there has been a lot more observation my end as well, but that has died down for now. I'd consider that a sign it's not too worried about matters now, suggesting that maybe we should go back to the material we were discussing before everything suddenly got exciting. I believe we were going over sensitive material until post #1274, if possible we should continue that while everything settles down otherwise.

As for running into effects during reading, most prior read material has been via a third party [usually a person putting a book together on a subject, using records written by someone else who interviewed the original contactee.] It's so far removed that I cannot target properly, or perhaps it's simply made up.

However, when I come across actual contactees I have hit similar, but usually subtly different, effects. Kirolak was a great example of someone who definitely had something going on their end, and dreamoftheiris certainly had effects as well. Lets just call it the spooky meter, if it goes off "something's happening!" Another highly unusual one was when I came across a copy of "The Book of Enoch", that thing was scarily alive... so scarily alive I actually stopped reading it before I'd got more than several chapters in.

Aside from reading I have come across one individual in passing that was seriously active, he sat on the same bus as I and the effects that were coming off of him were seriously bad... mind you, the murder site all those years back was my first heavy-weight encounter with the paranormal [thankfully I've not run across such a thing since, but I'll keep in mind to study it better if I do.]

Fore
06-27-2014, 10:34 AM
It is ten times easier to see the influence signature you are trying to acquire if they target you unconsciously.

You write something, they read it, you sense their unconscious observation or connection, you identify it and look back. Now you know what that particular signature looks like.

[And this is why I say to be careful when reading through the contents of old threads of mine, ET's can do the same type of targeting very easily. They are aware of when people target them unconsciously through their use of upper psychic features. The will obviously probe back.]


*Aside to readers* Want to know what an ET probing your mind feels like? Read that infamous thread Epo333 links to in post #1246. If they like what they see you may even get a personal visit; like I did. For those of you who suddenly find it hard to read, be aware that you are actually experiencing direct manipulation of your mind, it is a good opportunity to train yourself to keep going under these adverse conditions.

Looking back, it looks like we were mostly talking about targeting procedures. Do you want something more specific in that vein?

What should we talk about next? (You should set the topics I guess then, I'll drill into each one.)

pontificator
06-27-2014, 10:49 AM
Looking back, it looks like we were mostly talking about targeting procedures. Do you want something more specific in that vein?

What should we talk about next? (You should set the topics I guess then, I'll drill into each one.)
Hmm, now lets think. We'd been going over targeting quite a bit, okay lets look at something following on in a similar vein. Assuming we have a target, and we are now able to locate them effectively, how do we read the targets field? [@all, this is a lot harder than it first sounds.] or, put another way, how do we know which part of the target's field we are trying to read? [I was never quite sure if the initial targeting phase finds the entity's outer field, or settles on a random position within the entity.]

Pandora'sParadox
06-27-2014, 04:54 PM
I've backed away for a wee bit...
It's almost like a beacon every time I even get close to the txt.
Is there anyway to hide my "antenna" ?

Edward
06-27-2014, 05:47 PM
I don't know, maybe it is a paranormal entity?

All I do know is it only takes 1 person with a history in the paranormal to pass their entit(ies) along. The "lines of association" can be used by third party entities to target individuals.

Considering we are in a thread discussing the psychic, paranormal and/or ET phenomena. The likelihood that someone is carrying "passengers" is pretty high.

If you find that you encounter too many paranormal types simply turn down your influence output ["energy"] and they should wander elsewhere. That, or simply pray. <shrug>


Alright. Powering down energy centers, engaging stealth mode. Internal dialog to squelch. Shields Up. All systems nominal. The pray button is ready and secure. :P :)


But actually what I was getting at Fore was when I was meditating my thoughts started to go towards you and I tried to remember the feeling I get when I read your words and when I was doing that I was just sending my warm thoughts to you. The good vibration stuff of thankfulness, happiness and love. Then I got after a short while the. surprised response from something that said "What are you doing!?!? Get out of here"! Or perhaps like I said it could of been my mind I wasnt sure. So thats what I was getting at and asking. To see if s omething along those lines took place last night if not. I'll just chalk up to my other line of thinking that it was just my mind fantasizing.


Edward

Fore
06-29-2014, 01:39 AM
It is ten times easier to see the influence signature you are trying to acquire if they target you unconsciously.

You write something, they read it, you sense their unconscious observation or connection, you identify it and look back. Now you know what that particular signature looks like.

[And this is why I say to be careful when reading through the contents of old threads of mine, ET's can do the same type of targeting very easily. They are aware of when people target them unconsciously through their use of upper psychic features. The will obviously probe back.]


*Aside to readers* Want to know what an ET probing your mind feels like? Read that infamous thread Epo333 links to in post #1246. If they like what they see you may even get a personal visit; like I did. For those of you who suddenly find it hard to read, be aware that you are actually experiencing direct manipulation of your mind, it is a good opportunity to train yourself to keep going under these adverse conditions.


Alright. Powering down energy centers, engaging stealth mode. Internal dialog to squelch. Shields Up. All systems nominal. The pray button is ready and secure. :P :) :p


But actually what I was getting at Fore was when I was meditating my thoughts started to go towards you and I tried to remember the feeling I get when I read your words and when I was doing that I was just sending my warm thoughts to you. The good vibration stuff of thankfulness, happiness and love. Keep in mind that I won't be able to sense it unless it is extremely obvious. As far as I know I didn't notice anything coming from you.

So what has transpired is a mystery to me.

I can only tell you that the unknown entity (which stopped observing after a second prayer that night) was creating cold spots and chills on one of my family members. So this is unlikely (though always possible) to be from a normal person. (I have felt ordinary [psychic] people scanning me, while it is different than an ET member doing it, it is noticeable and has specific characteristics.]



Then I got after a short while the. surprised response from something that said "What are you doing!?!? Get out of here"! Or perhaps like I said it could of been my mind I wasnt sure. So thats what I was getting at and asking. To see if s omething along those lines took place last night if not. I'll just chalk up to my other line of thinking that it was just my mind fantasizing. I can only tell you for sure that I didn't (nor attempt to) communicate. So while I might have been thinking roughly in that vein, I didn't project any influence with that thought in mind.

So unless someone else is watching [could be], it wasn't me.

Members who are acknowledged psychics have projected to where I am and they and I shared simultaneous exchanges online and by basic psychic signaling methods. It is in the original threads that Pontif posted. (well some of it, some of it was off the forum)

I am not offended edward if you try it out for a spin. What I don't want anyone to do is to focus on me because it turns my abilities into their "on" state. Besides the pain induced through psychic activation, it attracts other paranormals.


My main thrust in life is normalcy. I prefer everything be extremely normal and mundane. Going back to the past situations is somewhat of a phobia for me. I am ready for a new start where normal is supreme. (funny to say it, but I said it LOL)

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You can work with Pontif/Montalk or anyone in this thread if you like. I will show you how to do it and give you several shortcuts. But whatever happens, keep it amongst yourselves. (even if practically speaking that is almost impossible)

I don't mind at all if you each amaze your own selves and each other with your own latent/prominent psychic talents. At most the only thing I will ask is probably to mind read a few skeptics every now and then to calm the waters. (at their leisure)

What I do want most of all, is that you guys/gals simply take notice that what I did with the ET is not really "special". There is proof in the pudding if you experience it yourselves.

(More than anything, I am not responsible for those that "freak out" due to incidents or encounters with the paranormal and/or ET.)

Fore
06-29-2014, 01:44 AM
[..] and I tried to remember the feeling I get when I read your words [...]

Bingo. That is exactly the way you should do it.

But you need to differentiate between what "is represented" in your lower loop of consciousness and what "is represented" in your higher loop of consciousness.

There is a huge difference. There are alot of "little" details that psychics often do, that they aren't consciously aware of to the extent that they figure out how to make something occur consistently with the use of their psychic structures.

Edit: Something is already listening in, I can tell that I am again [unwillingly] connected to the ET network. [I'll explain later what that actually means]

My psychic structures started turning on midway in creating these batches of posts. I guess "these ET" are already anticipating what I am about to write next. Hopefully I'll dodge whatever it is they are up to.

pontificator
06-29-2014, 02:57 AM
@The Person practising: I can tell someone is connecting, but you're producing a feeling of intense naked embarrassment at the outer top of both of my arms. I'm not quite sure if that was your intention or not; nor how exactly you're producing that distinct effect.

Edward
06-29-2014, 02:58 AM
Yeah I didn't plan on trying to focus on you just how it turned out when my mind chatter was starting to wind down it just seemed to flow in that direction. From reading your posts I'll make a conscious effort if I do start to drift off towards thinking of you in any way that I'll double the effort to not suppress the thoughts but perhaps put my attention somewhere else.

It's about conscious awareness and I apparently psychic abilities and those who have their "ears" to the ground(ets, Ut, humans or whomever) take notic. Is what it seems with you Fore. So yeah get back to me when things settle down.

The lower loop and higher loop. I can only surmise we are talking about semantics but I do believe I think I understand what your referring to. But like I said in the past my Higher "loop" or "consciousness" I've really only differentiated between the two a few times when I had said experiences in the dream world as some would call it or spirit realm. This is when I could tell that when viewing or seeing things /participating I could tell I was accessing the consciousness that types to you now and the consciousness of the other person i was, and/or interacted with. I have not been able yet to make those clear distinctions "down here" in this realm.

Edward

Edward
06-29-2014, 02:59 AM
@The Person practising: I can tell someone is connecting, but you're producing a feeling of intense naked embarrassment at the outer top of both of my arms. I'm not quite sure if that was your intention or not; nor how exactly you're producing that distinct effect.


Not me I was just replying to fore.

Edward

pontificator
06-29-2014, 03:03 AM
hehe, must be one of the people reading the forum only, they certainly have a knack for targeting, whoever they are.

Fore
06-29-2014, 03:33 AM
hehe, must be one of the people reading the forum only, they certainly have a knack for targeting, whoever they are. I highly doubt it was anyone reading here. I know that familiar feeling/experience from having it plenty of times in the past during ET experimentation. It's always been when ET are communicating with one another and myself.

Right now, people who read my stuff only know about the person-to-person type of mind reading [or at least they should]. But mix that together with an assortment of other concurrent talents and you get what from what anyone would call "a network".

Someone [ET] is/was doing a wide connection to the people in this house. It is affecting various individuals right now.

I have noticed twice now in the recent past that my psychic structures have turned on by itself and connected.

I laid down and accidentally fell asleep waiting for it to disconnect. Whatever/Whoever it was looks [ET] and like it has stopped for now. But I am about to pull "an EPO3 strategy" if it continues.

Edit: Note to self, It took about 110 minutes for it to stop, on me. Still continues on another person who remained awake. They are having debilitating symptoms.

Edit2: Noted some UT blurbs directed at me on discontinuing activity during the start of the "check in" by ET. References were made by one UT "out of the blue" as to [impeding] interventions. UT used no name for ET, only a general reference to signify foreign identity. No immediate relief. Prayer was not utilized. Next attempt will use prayer to see if it has any effect or is at all effective.

Fore
06-29-2014, 05:18 AM
Ok, general activity has stopped.

First thing is we need to talk about the importance of the previous segments to this one.

Read page 123-128:
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=32230&viewfull=1#post32230
http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=33578&viewfull=1#post33578

Previously, the exact information we talked about was [Observation][Selection][Identification].
Three different processes that you'll need to apply in order to get psychic connections [or just plain direct your psychic abilities to a certain target]. It doesn't matter if it is immediately around you, or far away, in the end you'll need to use some variation of those top three processes to make things "happen".

But there is always more to this story. The concept of [Feedback] is important. As well as understanding that you need proper communication between the lower consciousness (the one you are aware of in your everyday life) and the higher consciousness you aren't explicitly aware of.

A type of signaling is employed [depending on your development it changes] to control what your "higher mind" focuses in on. Controlling that part of yourself or simply "communicating" or "bringing awareness upon" your explicit intention is key to getting a proper level of control.

You should discard the idea that your higher mind is anything like your lower mind. It generally isn't.

Fore
06-29-2014, 05:52 AM
[Feedback]

It is extremely important to realize that the main block that a person might have at the beginning is the lack of awareness that they are actually doing something psychic. Without sensation or awareness of some activity they can't signal their higher self properly.

[Feedback: Belief]
[Feedback: Awareness]
[Feedback: Sensation]

Three basic properties found in feedback.

The first is probably harder for non-psychics than beginner psychics.

When you are operating your psychic functions you are doing something VERY basic.

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Specifically, you will be using your:

(1)Influence field
and
(2)Inter-connect

To transmit messages between your lower consciousness and your higher consciousness. Both #1 and #2 are found embedded in your body. So you can more easily

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There is a problem though, the way the human consciousness is "made" requires certain messages to be "wrapped up" in a specific envelope of activity in order to effectively be noticed by the higher mind.

Let me explain:
By default your higher mind sends SIMPLE messages [relatively and simplistically speaking] to your lower mind...in a manner that it affects your brains hardware in a very SUBTLE way. Otherwise you wouldn't be a "human being". You'd be something with an advanced awareness. Something that would resemble more the ET than a human being.

Anyway, the default operating design of our consciousness seems to be [in most people] is that the biology and it's inherent values are prominent while the higher mind is a sort of only a co-pilot who only chooses the basic theme that the biology then follows.

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What does that mean?

That means that your higher mind sets the ground rules and the lower mind (the version derived of human tissue and chemistry) follows it by the rules set forth in the living biology.

Therefore [most] things acted upon by the lower mind are in keeping to the nature of it's design (human anatomy and various capacity limitations). While the higher mind absorbs experience via the interconnect structures and the influence it exudes. The higher mind can set the pace, the human mind (lower mind) conforms to what it is designed to do while keeping in mind what the higher mind demands. Like an invisible awareness that governs that intercedes and makes human beings be more than just animals.

When you feel the need to eat, that is your lower minds job.
When you feel fatigue and need to sleep, that is also your lower minds job to be self interested and keep the bodies maintenance.
etc.

When (of if) any of you ever become aware of your higher mind, you'll notice that these lower mind features will be largely absent in the higher mind. The higher mind is a different design for a different purpose. [or at least that is what I learned]

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So you should suspend the notion that your higher mind for example sleeps. It doesn't appear to. Even when your body and lower mind is in a sleep state it is perpetually aware and functioning.

(Hint: That is part of a reason why ET can manipulate your psychic functions or talk to your higher components even while you sleep.)

Eva C
06-29-2014, 10:12 PM
Good day to you all.

Been lurking around for just over a year and have been quite reluctant to participate actively for all the obvious reasons. At this point however it seems to be the right thing to come out and at least demystify 1 of the 30 lurkers. (Besides if Fore is right then there is really no point in lurking, is there?).

A life-time of weird, though I won't exactly call myself a contactee/abductee as my experiences do not correlate with the et/ufo narrative, brings me here.

Why speak up at all? To own up: seems I have “passengers”, judging by very constant tinnitus – this is a daily occurrence. “Ear phenomena” is something I have experienced since childhood in various forms. There is also the matter of latent psychic abilities but I am making no active effort to activate them, though the “pipes” keep cleaning out (must be dirty,dirty, dirty) on the top of my head – this has been happening for 4+ years now.

My assesment however is that I am not invested or involved enough for my “stuph” to reach out to individual members.

Sticking to the actual thread: I cannot say with certainty that ear tones increase when I read this thread but I certainly get that top of head thingy. Perhaps for some of us, just the suggestion that it is there gets the psychic juices flowing. The content itself may act as a simple trigger, exciting latent psychic structures: “Hello! We're here!”.

There is also the matter of influence (to keep to Fore's lexicon), this thread must be loaded. I have personally experienced how “influence” can be transferred via the internet. Could it be that the psychic influence from strong psychics participating in the thread trigger latent abilities in others? Kinda like the transfer of shaktipat?

There isn't a one ring to rule them all answer, but based on my personal experience, I suspect that in some instances “exposure to Fore's” writing does not increase exterior phenomena as much as internal – “they” are not suddenly out to “get” you (they've always been ;-)) but you are more able to “notice” “them”.

Of course there's the matter of geography, maybe our “thems” don't operate like “your” “thems”, but I do hope to curb needless paranoia which is a powerful force of attraction ...

Eva C
06-29-2014, 10:45 PM
Another thing. Several writers have the ability to trigger “weirdness” in my own experience.

Two voices in the alien/conspiracy field comes to mind.

Montalk.net is one with a qualification: I stumbled onto the site while searching for answers to a very personal mystery. This is how my search expanded into the realm of the alien mystery. That expansion led to an increase in phenomena in general (with devastating effect on my personal life). Visits to the site however led to an increase in the incidence of ear-tones.

And do any of you remember Dan Mitchell of Luminosity fame? (Hey that final polemic of his {as Dan Mitchell} is what pointed me to this forum!) Well he was fond of writing about how many of his readers experienced increased weirdness and let me tell you I can vouch for that! But again a qualification: at that point I in my life I had just moved to an area renowned for it's high strangeness.

Edward
06-29-2014, 10:53 PM
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By default your higher mind sends SIMPLE messages [relatively and simplistically speaking] to your lower mind...in a manner that it affects your brains hardware in a very SUBTLE way. Otherwise you wouldn't be a "human being". You'd be something with an advanced awareness. Something that would resemble more the ET than a human being.



So are you saying in effect that having advanced awareness is not to be human? When in fact there are many factors that try, that keep us in the lower mind so we are too busy and too distracted to pay attention to the higher mind. To be human is to have and share experience(s). To learn, to grow, to Expand. To Expand in all sense and meaning of the word in all areas, directions and growth of the individual.


What I think is that once we learn to access the higher mind it doesn't make us less human but allowing us to be more human and starting to use the broader potentiality of what it can mean to be human.


Edward

epo333
06-29-2014, 11:01 PM
Good day to you all.

Been lurking around for just over a year and have been quite reluctant to participate actively for all the obvious reasons. At this point however it seems to be the right thing to come out and at least demystify 1 of the 30 lurkers. (Besides if Fore is right then there is really no point in lurking, is there?).

A life-time of weird, though I won't exactly call myself a contactee/abductee as my experiences do not correlate with the et/ufo narrative, brings me here.

Why speak up at all? To own up: seems I have “passengers”, judging by very constant tinnitus – this is a daily occurrence. “Ear phenomena” is something I have experienced since childhood in various forms. There is also the matter of latent psychic abilities but I am making no active effort to activate them, though the “pipes” keep cleaning out (must be dirty,dirty, dirty) on the top of my head – this has been happening for 4+ years now.

My assesment however is that I am not invested or involved enough for my “stuph” to reach out to individual members.

Sticking to the actual thread: I cannot say with certainty that ear tones increase when I read this thread but I certainly get that top of head thingy. Perhaps for some of us, just the suggestion that it is there gets the psychic juices flowing. The content itself may act as a simple trigger, exciting latent psychic structures: “Hello! We're here!”.

There is also the matter of influence (to keep to Fore's lexicon), this thread must be loaded. I have personally experienced how “influence” can be transferred via the internet. Could it be that the psychic influence from strong psychics participating in the thread trigger latent abilities in others? Kinda like the transfer of shaktipat?

There isn't a one ring to rule them all answer, but based on my personal experience, I suspect that in some instances “exposure to Fore's” writing does not increase exterior phenomena as much as internal – “they” are not suddenly out to “get” you (they've always been ;-)) but you are more able to “notice” “them”.

Of course there's the matter of geography, maybe our “thems” don't operate like “your” “thems”, but I do hope to curb needless paranoia which is a powerful force of attraction ...

Welcome to The Outpost Forum, Eva C, thanks for a great first post.

Edward
06-29-2014, 11:05 PM
Fore, I think the more we start to access our higher minds and being able to recognize better the influences and being able to get more adept at it. The expansion and growth of ourselves consciously and collectively will see humanity get their feet out of the "mud" so to speak and perhaps a true sense of evolution will unfold right before use. We have the key's inside us. We need people like yourself and everyone else who has their own various experience to share what they know so we can start to tap into our potential.

Edward

Pandora'sParadox
06-29-2014, 11:29 PM
Welcome new comer...and a casual solute to the rest.

Back to business...
I feel I'm ready to start again tomorrow. Had a really interesting "brain fart" I'd like to run by you guys first. My experience with the 1st reading was intense to say the least...and I've been focusing towards the positive side of things in order for the top of my brain to net back over. LoL
In reference to having a positive attitude and keeping negativity out; would it be crazy to think it would help reading the text within the walls of a extreme holy place? I'm trying to answer my own question of "blocking my antenna".

Pandora'sParadox
06-29-2014, 11:38 PM
@ whom-ever....
I start my meditations...get my deep "zen" going.
I feel like, I'm doing something...but I could not begin to tell what. It's like, without a goal, I'm just stewing in energy. Then I get these bursts; followed by cold chills going up my back...and I can pulse this multiple times. (maybe x4 or x5)

But without feedback, my "inner self" assures me I'm wasting time and I should go do something else.

Fore
06-29-2014, 11:38 PM
I am still not done on writing about feedback. I just want to cover a sufficient number of bases so you all get an idea of why [according to myself or the ET] things work the way they do.

I am just a bit worn out. Eva, thanks for the evaluation. Let me know if there is anything else we should take into consideration.

Paranoia running rampant has always been an issue. (Including a few freakouts from a few members)
I never really found an effective way to keep people grounded. Sometimes the first experience [or an augmented one] takes a tangent that is more than some can handle.

Pandora'sParadox
06-30-2014, 12:24 AM
Screw it...going back in. Anyone wanting to lend a helping hand, send some vibes my way. LoL

Pandora'sParadox
06-30-2014, 01:05 AM
I have some questions. cant type very well or focus. i can do this in pm, but i dont think you would reply...
your call

Fore
06-30-2014, 01:08 AM
Go ahead and write it in a PM. I think there should be enough space in my inbox. Though, don't expect an immediate response.

Pandora'sParadox
06-30-2014, 01:10 AM
thank you. might take some time. head is scrambled. note pad is my savior. lol

Pandora'sParadox
06-30-2014, 06:43 PM
I'm done...giving it up.
To sum things up, terrible idea...
Moving on and well away from this "area" of interest.

Fore
06-30-2014, 08:56 PM
I read your PM (just to let you know) and I think it was the right choice.

I will respond to the PM in a bit. (I have my hands full at the moment.

Fore
06-30-2014, 09:04 PM
By the way, which were the topics that most elicited a reaction?

Did it elicit a reaction every time or only the first time?

And most importantly, did any of it affect your view(s) of the ET phenomena OR the experiencer phenomena?

Which (if any) of your previous views/opinions/thoughts were modified or changed as a result of reading?

(How far did you get into the text?)

epo333
06-30-2014, 11:48 PM
I'm done...giving it up.
To sum things up, terrible idea...
Moving on and well away from this "area" of interest.

If fore says your doing the right thing, then you are.

Though it would have been nice to see you progress through the turmoil, I too went "Cold Turkey" in this realm some time ago. I took quite a while to learn to shield myself from undesirables (so to speak).

You seem to have physical sensitivity as oppose to visitors.

Good Luck anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtcUEP6goZ0

Fore
07-01-2014, 08:48 AM
Sorry for not having continued writing.

I want to take a small tangent and point out that a recent TV show called "Ancient Aliens" covered a few topics I found interesting in the last number of episodes.

The first (and probably most interesting) was the topic of aliens and stargates. I have been asked a few times in the past about "stargates". To which I have always pretty much answered that I haven't heard of anything like that. (nothing like Stargate SGI, where there is a portal with energy and an event horizon or anything like that.)

I want to add some commentary as I had a small eureka moment when watching that episode and trying to get down to the fundamentals of what the ancient people "Though" or "Knew" about the realities beyond Earth.

And it dawned on me one important thing while watching the series. Specifically that the ancient societies on planet Earth understood to some degree or measure...that the ET's (or gods as they referred to themselves)....had technology that could take them to a different reality form.

What I began to see in the series is that these ancient peoples knew (very loosely) that:

A) The less advanced craft loaned/gifted to human rulers/leaders were capable of taking them to very distant places very quickly.

and

B) The more advanced craft used solely by the ET (it appears in most cases this was the case) were capable of traversing different realities.

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Anyone who has read my stuff knows that my accounts are completely absent of any types of "wormholes" or "stargates". The only thing I touched on was the topic of "translation gates". (Mentioned by Pontif on the first post of this thread and mentioned previously by me on OMF in the deep past)

"Translation gates" aren't any form of portals or "stargates" that you could see. A "Translation Gate" are a process. A form of technology that certain types of advanced ET craft can create and access with occupants inside. The craft and occupants inside the craft undergo a translation from one form of reality into another.

Everything within the scope of the craft undergoes changes and is recreated (probably the wrong word to use) into a different reality system.

In other words, it is as close (as far as I know) as the ET's have come to creating dimensional transfers.

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Point being, it strikes me a bit odd that some of the old legends held by ancient cultures were that they could go to a mount/temple. The mount/temple is basically (from the way they mostly look) a pedestal for an ET craft. Then, if they entered the special "Chariot of the gods"/"Dragon spewing fire"/"Flying Carpet" they could be not only transported to different localities on Earth; but also across vast distances or to different realities.

So that leads me to a conclusion. The ancient cultures generally knew [within their frame of reference] what the ET were capable of to a very limited extent. Enough to know there was a "gate" (the temple also known as a landing pad) that could take them to the ?universe? or beyond.

I know I have read a few accounts of here and there of contactees who say they visit other worlds and/or realities which are not like our own and then are returned.

So it looks like ancient cultures also had these experiences. Which implies that there are other realities (and worlds) besides this one.

Source: http://allmyvideos.net/zpt5qrpw2fkk
Season 6, Episode 20 - Alien Transports

Eva C
07-01-2014, 03:16 PM
Well here's a thing!

I spent an inordinate amount of time on this forum yesterday (this thread, quasi mind manglers,demonic et first hand encounters and UT's – apparently hot topics, that gets the weird going) and I had exactly the opposite of the now famous fore-effect. There was a marked decrease in activity during the day!

While this may seem somewhat “so what?” it is a rather remarkable thing for me. Over a period of 6 years there has been a gradual escalation of activity around me that has reached such an incredible intensity that I now have several ear tones and other ear effects (pressure, heat, fluttering, hums) daily. Core body temperature is another daily challenge as well as dehydration. So yes, I have a lot of company.

{Oh hello! Curiously, suddenly my lovely shy friends are checking in. I never feel alone! And who is this then? One of yours?}

Much of this comes from human agencies and I don't mean of the shades of grey and black ops or anything so exotic. Just your ordinary garden variety black magician. Why choose me? Am I special? Well, I am alive and vital and becoming more so. And don't they just hate that? So they send their little minions and there bad vibes and some nasties latch on to the dark energy and hey I am surrounded.

There were dark times, full of fear, despair and paranoia but now it's like, oh the ones that hide are here. I do get annoyed so they often get the good ol' “what the f are you?” “what are you doing here?” “what do you want” and “get the f out now!” Sometimes it's effective. Sometimes it's not.

Back to the point. A marked decrease in activity for me in a situation that triggers spikes in activity for others.

Theories:

Some naughty one has been checking out lurkers (understandably) and is satisfied that I am no longer an unknown and therefore potential threat. (But next time just ask!) - This is in the realm of possibilities but I am not too sold.

I lean more towards theory #2: When I decided to engage, I changed something. Not quite a time-line more like a kinda force-field effect around me. The context is that I have also spent some time lurking in life, not just the internet.

One ill effect: I got a bit entrained and enmeshed in this topic matter and my mind kept dragging me back to conversations on the forums and specific comments by/impressions of certain members. So now I am going to log off. Forget about all this. Play with my dog. Kiss my beloved. Tidy-up my space. And think about all the things that make me very, very happy.

Happy July!

Fore
07-02-2014, 06:52 AM
[Continuing from the last segment...]

How does one go about changing the parameters of interaction between the lower mind and the higher mind?

By default, the higher mind has a relationship that is a simple oversight over it's the thought process of it's lower half. We want to change it to one that actively interacts at all levels of consciousness with a broader range of signaling types for the sake of facilitating psychic functionality.

"Signaling types" is just a basic concept expressed in ET lessons as "different forms of expression or some kind of specificity within a composite consciousness".

Basically it means that:
"A voice"
"A thought"
"A thought process"
"A specific [extra] sensory experience"

Etc

Are all considered "signaling types". [more or less]

There is a problem though.

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The internal psychic structures we are born with are rarely capable of actually inserting complex "psychic" and ["artificial"] stimulation into the lower mind.

There are [B]some signaling types which the default interconnect can do, easily, and other signaling types that it can't do on it's default setting.

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For example, just about everyone can manipulate their own internal thoughts to some degree. That is [more or less] considered a signaling type. (Though probably a bad example)

Another simple example is that you can create or mimic your own actual voice from your physical body inside your mental landscape. According to the ET this is mostly from the higher mind through the interconnect manipulating physical brain processes. More or less they said that it was an orchestrator that controls the symphony.

They also showed me first hand, that they can manipulate someone elses thought processes through that same system to create thought patterns that are not original to the target. (Thought Manipulation/Thought Insemination)

Likewise they used to explain this gives telepathic and advanced psychics the ability to impart information to other parties without having line of sight communication.

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Why is any of this relevant?

The basic reason why any of this is relevant is because you need to fundamentally realize that your psychic structures, be they internal or the external types, are absolutely required to perform efficient targeting.

There is alot of stuff going on in the lower mind that the higher mind does not pay "attention" to. It absorbs experience but does not react to certain events. While other events it reacts to.

Knowing how the lower mind is attended to (and through what means) explains how you exchange or state a specific targeting parameter. The psychic structures found within the interconnect...when handled properly...gives you a:

--Method to pass along signaling to the higher mind. [Topic of Enveloping a message is talked about next post]
--Method to receive the information in a signaling type that the lower mind can comprehend. [Through the use of the interconnect to affect the physical consciousness, the lower mind]
--Method to conform messages [called "Directives"] to the higher mind in a language and style that it understands. [A format for the higher mind]
--Method to change the way information is presented in your lower mind, your bodies consciousness that you are always aware of.
--Method to exchange information bi-directionally for other purposes.

Shincha
07-03-2014, 01:56 AM
As a lurker of several months I guess it's only polite for me to also pop my head up and saw hello, especially as I've been reading this thread quite a lot recently. With regards 'The Fore Effect,' things turned weird when I first got into the 'DEMONIC or ET any first hand ENCOUNTERS?' thread several months back, what with semi-awakening to see through my closed eyelids (or maybe it was third eye vision) some disturbing visuals in my bedroom; sleep paralysis and fighting off 'attacks'; and some particularly unpleasant dreams. Last week I had 3 or 4 separate nights whereby I experienced sleep paralysis-attacks (this is unusual as I don't normally get a few clustered together) and while I initially put it down to having drunk alcohol the previous weekend (I usually don't drink after having been warned off it in several dreams, due to my apparent susceptibility to attack when under the influence), I later realized I'd been browsing this thread on the Tue & Wed - including the link to Fore's detailed account of his interactions with... (my memory fails me) the ET contact - (the Supervisor?). The final night of sleep paralysis ended with me entering into a lucid dream whereby I was in a bed inside an otherwise empty church, and, after managing to eventually break out of what had turned into dream paralysis, I heard a male voice say 'William Bramley's ''Angels Require Anonymity.'''

I'd heard of the author previously but never read Gods of Eden, and after doing a quick online search the next day for a synopsis I wondered if the voice had been delivering a warning-off of sorts - with regards the material on this thread (or perhaps Fore's personal recollections concerning 'her'). It may not have been related and perhaps I'm taking a bit of a leap, but the timing struck me as pretty weird so, maybe...

Would you believe... as I was scrolling upwards to edit this (I'm typing on a touchphone) I accidentally selected and deleted the part about 'William Bramley's ''Angels Require Anonymity,''' along with a few words before & after - including the real name of his book.

Fore
07-03-2014, 05:19 AM
I'd heard of the author previously but never read Gods of Eden, and after doing a quick online search the next day for a synopsis I wondered if the voice had been delivering a warning-off of sorts - with regards the material on this thread (or perhaps Fore's personal recollections concerning 'her'). It may not have been related and perhaps I'm taking a bit of a leap, but the timing struck me as pretty weird so, maybe...

Would you believe... as I was scrolling upwards to edit this (I'm typing on a touchphone) I accidentally selected and deleted the part about 'William Bramley's ''Angels Require Anonymity,''' along with a few words before & after - including the real name of his book.I wonder what the books is about?

Hey it's better than the members whom complain about their PC turning off/resetting or the PC going dead.
LOL, a number of members have gotten pretty good at writing in programs that save the data. It is always funny to hear about that.

Will be responding to PM's in a few minutes.

pontificator
07-03-2014, 12:53 PM
I wonder what the books is about?

Hey it's better than the members whom complain about their PC turning off/resetting or the PC going dead.
LOL, a number of members have gotten pretty good at writing in programs that save the data. It is always funny to hear about that.

Will be responding to PM's in a few minutes.
There is a pretty reasonable synopsis of this book here: http://www.serendipity.li/eden.html Essentially it's about the game of the Gods from a researchers point of view.
Ah, with the problems with writing stuff I usually keep a copy of a long post in notepad, saved frequently.

Garuda
07-03-2014, 02:42 PM
If you look around a bit, you should be able to find a PDF version of William Bramley's The Gods of Eden.

It's a good read.

Shincha
07-03-2014, 03:33 PM
Yeah I should have used my loaf and written it in Notes before posting, as that wasn't the first time I'd lost part of or all of a post >_<. I intend reading Gods of Eden properly as it comes highly recommended. Incidentally, while looking it up the other day I found an interesting interview with Bramley during which he briefly touches on species replacement, hybrids/transhumanism etc: http://www.ancient-origins.net/opinion-guest-authors-human-origins/very-interesting-interview-william-bramley-00273

Fore
07-04-2014, 12:45 AM
So are you saying in effect that having advanced awareness is not to be human? Personally, I think so.

I mean in the context of a "high level" of awareness. Not just your "average" range of [human] psychic abilities.

I think others would likely say they don't feel that an advanced awareness would stop constituting being human. (well what you would expect from a normal human being on average)

But I think they'd have one degree in mind while I would have another level in mind.

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Just take presentience (http://www.web-definition.com/dictionary/p/pr/presentience/) as a small example. The recent movie "Edge of Tomorrow" shows a good introduction to a very familiar ability that is really used among certain ET. It gives a (very human light) on a capability that in real life doesn't require actually living the experience in order to learn from it.

Having such an insight and coupling it with an advanced intellect, I can imagine that dilemmas and resolution(s) would not stray all that far from the ET experience. If you started to make decisions based on their outcome and not on the available information present just before the next experience....where would anyones "humanity" straddle in that rift?

What I mean is, if you weighed people and situations based on what happens next (and not in full ignorance of what happens next) then where do familiar human traits fit in to a scenario like that?

If someone next to you chooses a path in life that leads them into poverty in the future, do you as a pre-sentient entity allow them that course of action? Do you contradict their choice? Do you manipulate them [unwillingly] away from that course of action by using that very pre-sentience even with the best of intentions? Where does it stop? When do you stop seeing "new problems" with your presentence?

What if you come into an unavoidable conflict between self interest (or a goal) and another person? If you know for certain the end result of a "conflict of interest" what value [or even any valid input] does your humanity have in this?

As people we come from a long line of people who basically "winged it" and lived to tell about it. The rest died "winging it" in the same process. But they did what they believed was right. They assessed the situation, they weighed their feelings and they made a decision.

Can the same be said of someone who knows for certain what "will be" if a certain course of actions is taken. Do you put your feelings, ethics and notions of just action above success? It's easy to do that when you don't know for certain. But not so easy when you know that "what feels right" is standing in contradiction of a successful outcome.

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For example, Edward, a couple of days ago Edgar Fouche was injured in a traffic accident. If you had advanced awareness and pre-sentience of the event would you have said anything about it? Normally the average person would say yes. Absolutely. Though you would be "trimming" Edgar's path down a specific range of possible outcomes.

What if he still chooses his path for tomorrow despite being informed? (or simply a symptom of disbelief?) Do you strike up "an interesting conversation" looking for possibilities to emerge where his "attention", "interests" and "focus" stray far enough for a deviation to occur? (If you did so, you would be manipulating his projected tangent in reality by the way: "trimming his path [of available choices]")

If you do this over and over again, what are you? Are you really still really human?

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I mention this without exemplifying the advanced intellect portion. Where in real life ET conventions are complicated and there is a [?strong?] tendency to control others beyond the use of mere pre-sentience.

If I wrote it right, the use of advanced awareness and intellect would make for a very ambitious person. A person who seeks something and where the varied array and formulas of human traits and idiosyncrasies interfere, inhibit or distort the usefulness of the human condition.

As far as I am concerned human nature "works right" when the human condition is "just right". Change that formula and you get something else that may look similar but isn't authentic or "right".

People will probably disagree I bet. I just wonder if they are comparing really advanced levels of awareness or if they are talking about the lower end of the spectrum where the human condition [and deviations] are still pretty small from the average awareness.


[Disclosure: I did ask Edgar that question to see if anything would happen because I imagined that it would be questions that few would actually ask and hoped it would be out of scope "for some" if they haven't already been asked. I thought of asking specific questions to map out the level of his knowledge and what he said he worked on. The worst case scenario I imagined he wouldn't have said much. Coincidentally, he had an accident in the initial process of asking for a set of relevant details on those types of aircraft. As an electronic engineer [if I am not mistaken?] you would expect him to know at least a few points about the aircraft. He will probably get around to it as soon as he recovers in either case.]

Fore
07-04-2014, 02:38 AM
I saw this about a month ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IdPbc0GDvE

Should be interesting for folks to watch as a work of scientific fiction. (All the characters are named after important names in science) It has a coloring of truth here and there in certain spots. It is slow at the beginning but towards the middle and end it should be pretty interesting.

pontificator
07-04-2014, 01:48 PM
I'll be watching that soon, just wanted to report in that I've been getting monitored every six hours by something that knows what it is doing. The effect, overall, feels slightly different and, how shall I put it, more encompassing and soft compared to the usual suspects. I'll be looking a this a bit more carefully over the next few days, it's just its been too busy at work to concentrate on it properly.

Fore
07-08-2014, 08:14 AM
Two paranormal entities encountered at 1am.

pontificator
07-08-2014, 11:16 AM
Two paranormal entities encountered at 1am.
Hmmm, looks like I'd better do some preparation... they have a habit of jumping about after all. I'm about half-way through the film now, watching it in chunks.
The entities standard spirit paranormal, or something else? [*mutters* looks like I might be about to find out, this'll make for an interesting night{no worse than the dentist appointment tomorrow I suppose}.]

Pandora'sParadox
07-08-2014, 03:14 PM
If fore says your doing the right thing, then you are.

Though it would have been nice to see you progress through the turmoil, I too went "Cold Turkey" in this realm some time ago. I took quite a while to learn to shield myself from undesirables (so to speak).

You seem to have physical sensitivity as oppose to visitors.

Good Luck anyway.

Sent you a P.M. ...
To start, I can't even begin to explain all the weirdness that has been going on lately. At first, I thought I could shield it when certain weather came around; I began reading when we were having really bad storms. (Figured if it was electrical or magnetic, then it might throw off their signals)
Everything seemed to be going right as rain until the storms stopped and I got to roughly the 2nd pdf reading. The "force" hit me right as my eyes went from reading, to the readers questions. Like I explained to Fore, it was as though someone hit me in the head with a bat. Spent a long time "in hell" and trying not to go bat $h1t crazy...

What set my reluctancy in motion was the very vivid dream I had, and the vibration I was getting. I say vibration because it was like a voice, but without words....like more of something giving me an action and my body just wanting to respond a certain way...(weird!)
The dream involved me and my mrs riding in a car...long story short,
There was a red dot on my left shoulder...sort of like a laser pointer dot. Bright red was the most thing standing out. I looked, and turned to her, she was crying and said "i love you" hugged me like we were leaving to go somewhere. About that time, I looked towards the sky and there was a craft that appears. But it appears with the red-ness of the dot. Like there was nothing, then it cloaked over with this red haze and BOOM there it was...

Don't like the idea of dragging my significant other into my weird ventures...not to mention the overwhelming force of something telling me to stay the fook away from this site for a while.

Fore
07-09-2014, 12:06 AM
Hmmm, looks like I'd better do some preparation... they have a habit of jumping about after all. I'm about half-way through the film now, watching it in chunks.
The entities standard spirit paranormal, or something else? [*mutters* looks like I might be about to find out, this'll make for an interesting night{no worse than the dentist appointment tomorrow I suppose}.]It's hard to say without actively scanning it. Neither of them seemed strange for paranormal spirituals. The second one which I was alerted to by a family member was in the pantry hiding in the dark.

It was making cold spots in the back area so I don't see anything abnormal in either of the two. We prayed for about 3 minutes and they immediately left the area. I just wonder how they got passed the UT/Angels. It is a very rare occurrence these days to have paranormal types intrude as they are always nearby watching over the area.

Edward
07-09-2014, 01:02 AM
I saw this about a month ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IdPbc0GDvE

Should be interesting for folks to watch as a work of scientific fiction. (All the characters are named after important names in science) It has a coloring of truth here and there in certain spots. It is slow at the beginning but towards the middle and end it should be pretty interesting.

Sounds Interesting Fore, I'll check it out.

Edward

epo333
07-09-2014, 02:16 AM
Sent you a P.M. ...
To start, I can't even begin to explain all the weirdness that has been going on lately. At first, I thought I could shield it when certain weather came around; I began reading when we were having really bad storms. (Figured if it was electrical or magnetic, then it might throw off their signals)
Everything seemed to be going right as rain until the storms stopped and I got to roughly the 2nd pdf reading. The "force" hit me right as my eyes went from reading, to the readers questions. Like I explained to Fore, it was as though someone hit me in the head with a bat. Spent a long time "in hell" and trying not to go bat $h1t crazy...

What set my reluctancy in motion was the very vivid dream I had, and the vibration I was getting. I say vibration because it was like a voice, but without words....like more of something giving me an action and my body just wanting to respond a certain way...(weird!)
The dream involved me and my mrs riding in a car...long story short,
There was a red dot on my left shoulder...sort of like a laser pointer dot. Bright red was the most thing standing out. I looked, and turned to her, she was crying and said "i love you" hugged me like we were leaving to go somewhere. About that time, I looked towards the sky and there was a craft that appears. But it appears with the red-ness of the dot. Like there was nothing, then it cloaked over with this red haze and BOOM there it was...

Don't like the idea of dragging my significant other into my weird ventures...not to mention the overwhelming force of something telling me to stay the fook away from this site for a while.

Interesting turn of events P/P...

Base on actions elsewhere, it appears "the overwhelming force" took control and effected its' desire. Very strange!

Fore
07-09-2014, 07:39 PM
Interesting turn of events P/P...

Base on actions elsewhere, it appears "the overwhelming force" took control and effected its' desire. Very strange!Thats pretty strange, I don't recall having seen that post until you pointed it out Epo......

I guess I just stepped out of the twilight zone?

Edward
07-10-2014, 03:53 AM
Just watch it. This is a pretty Deep film Fore. Deep in that is is multi-layered and faceted but direct and not so at times. I loved it from start to finish. A lot of correlations and reflections of one's on life and one's own contemplations, for me at least. We all do have pieces to the puzzle and let's all play our role so that the greater symphony can be heard and experienced by all. :)

Edward

CasperParks
07-13-2014, 08:19 PM
I saw this about a month ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IdPbc0GDvE

Fore,

thanks for sharing... I bookmarked it for later viewing.

montalk
07-20-2014, 08:06 AM
I saw this about a month ago:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IdPbc0GDvE

Should be interesting for folks to watch as a work of scientific fiction. (All the characters are named after important names in science) It has a coloring of truth here and there in certain spots. It is slow at the beginning but towards the middle and end it should be pretty interesting.

That was one of the most interesting and original yet weirdest films I've seen, on the level of Ink (2009) and Noein (2005) but more technical.

Couple thoughts... I've seen that 'frequency' concept play out in real life like this: if your 'frequency' (similar to how it was defined in this film) is too out of synch with the collective 'frequency' of your local surroundings (as established by the people comprising that environment) then various matrix glitches (http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/oeo0h/reddit_tell_me_your_glitch_in_the_matrix_stories/) or probability discontinuities begin to happen. I speculate it's because we might each be running our own instance of reality, and our instances are synchronized and coordinated by some kind of central server into the illusion of a collective shared environment. But like in a massive multiplayer online game, when one PC's running slow or has too much network lag, the server tries to smooth things to maintain the illusion of a single continuous world, but it can only do so much before glitches become apparent.

Unlike that film though, I don't think 'high frequency' in real life means being a hybrid-like emotionless machine. Really smart but emotionless flat people, in my experience, don't seem to skew probability one way or the other. I think 'high frequency' that makes everything work out as depicted in the movie has more to do with that 'warmth' we talked about, which divine higher order entities and people with developed higher order structures might exhibit.

That was an interesting plot device about the power of words though. Not sure how legit that is. Magick / Occultism says words have power. I mentioned once how, when I demonstrated some overtone singing in the kitchen (basically some odd sounding vowels with a ringing sound atop) it caused something to manifest near the ceiling where I was projecting my voice, which caused the cat to stare at it for the next hour like she was watching TV. I couldn't see anything, and there were no bugs or anything so I think the vowel sound (which I only did for a couple minutes) did something weird to the space there.

Fore
07-22-2014, 01:25 AM
That was one of the most interesting and original yet weirdest films I've seen, on the level of Ink (2009) and Noein (2005) but more technical. [Agreed]


Couple thoughts... I've seen that 'frequency' concept play out in real life like this: if your 'frequency' (similar to how it was defined in this film) is too out of synch with the collective 'frequency' of your local surroundings (as established by the people comprising that environment) then various matrix glitches (http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/oeo0h/reddit_tell_me_your_glitch_in_the_matrix_stories/) or probability discontinuities begin to happen. I speculate it's because we might each be running our own instance of reality, and our instances are synchronized and coordinated by some kind of central server into the illusion of a collective shared environment. But like in a massive multiplayer online game, when one PC's running slow or has too much network lag, the server tries to smooth things to maintain the illusion of a single continuous world, but it can only do so much before glitches become apparent. I actually think that reality is like any system. There are repeating patterns.

This became more evident in the time I spent with the ET as they seem to understand something that was unknown to me. They seemed to have a very good understanding of how reality exhibits cyclical cycles. Which is why I am not surprised that distant ancient cultures that were influence by ET seemed to also fixate on the same topic.

It could just be that they figured out some type of science or math that relies on some kind of order out of what we assume is just choas from our perspective.

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I would like to say something that I have been mulling over for a while. Just because I don't use my abilities anymore doesn't mean I stopped thinking about the implications of various things I have witnessed. A particular topic that has crossed my mind is that God appears to be the programmer of this reality. Alot of key things seems like a non-random form of intelligent design when seen from certain perspectives.

For example, if the ET are from another dimension, what are the chances that they would have (more or less) compatible layers of their consciousness with that of ours? Even with the UT, they look like they were a pre-cursor to our kind. (And it says so openly in the Bible)

Even though the UT aren't human, if you examine their internals you can't escape the observations that we seem to be a derivative design on something that came before us. It almost looks like previous designs of that lifeform was used in human beings.

What are the chances of that happening if they were born/created in a separate reality?

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Another of the things that keeps bothering me is that I was like the main character of that film. Like you said, the movie uses the concept of frequency in the wrong way. Rather than the differentiator being low or high frequency (which doesn't exist in the ET lessons I was exposed to) the real life differentiator seems to be the way lifeforms unroll their consciousness.

There are those (like us) humans who are largely unable to use higher awareness of sensory experience. Therefore everything we do is dictated by that blindness.

In stark contrast, there are ET's who are able to use their higher awareness and sensory experience. Though almost everything they do is dictated by that achilles heel that is their awareness. They do what is logical, not what is typically right.

We do what is usually right, not always what is logical when it goes against our sense of right and wrong. And we don't know the outcome in either case for that to influence our judgements.

With the ET you can almost predict what they will do if you know from the start what they generally desire. If you can see the same (or similar) data they see, you can pretty much nail down what they do next. (at least for the less smarter ones)

Their actions seem extremely deterministic based on that advanced perception.

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If you taunt them, knowing what they ultimately want out of a specific scenario, they react in the way you'd expect them to. They have bad idiosyncrasies when it comes to behavior. But if you sit there and think about it, it really because they don't usually deviate from the best or most rational course of action.

The scary ones [ET] are the smarter ones who will deviate for reasons other than a strict rationale of what they "see" or "perceive" with their advanced awareness. They are strangely willing to pick the second best option when situations get complicated. Or just plain throw out the old plan and work with an entirely new one. (which is why they are scary folks)

They seem to be the "kink" masters (LOL). Figuring out ways to re-establish the route to a main goal through some other [creative?] means.

Fore
07-22-2014, 02:14 AM
Unlike that film though, I don't think 'high frequency' in real life means being a hybrid-like emotionless machine. Really smart but emotionless flat people, in my experience, don't seem to skew probability one way or the other. I think 'high frequency' that makes everything work out as depicted in the movie has more to do with that 'warmth' we talked about, which divine higher order entities and people with developed higher order structures might exhibit. That was another topic I wanted to touch base with you.

I figure that God is a programmer or encoder that set this (and other) realities in motion. I think that if He curses things/people/objects. Then, it is like him injecting exceptions into his programed reality. Exceptions that are designed to make things fail or fall out of sync with everything else. OR perhaps succeed or be extremely successful and in sync with everything else.

For example, lets say you are a normal person and assuming you are in sync with the "good" program that is reality. Now lets say God makes "a curse" on dead spirits for whatever reason. If you keep these dead around you or they stick to you. You'll have like a bad program attached to these guys. One to destroy comfort and quality of life. If you keep these dead around, then the bad program attached to them affects you. (?)

I am guessing that receiving a direct "blessing" from God is akin to receiving a perpetual piece of programing that makes things jive together in reality in a "good way".

Likewise I'd imagine (and actually think) that when the UT/Angels show up with that brightness surrounding them and the "warmth" that it is their "good program" surrounding them. If they pass on even a little bit of that "good programing" to someone who is ill (for example), then they will heal.

Kind of like a virus = curse and anti-virus = a blessing.

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I have lightly read in the Bible that God cursed various things in nature and that is why life right now is no Eden. Assuming the Biblical story is true, then the Eden that once was...is the opposite of the cursed reality that we have life in [and die in]. One where nature itself doesn't support a high quality of life.

Seemingly only through knowledge and technology, (cough) something that is said to have been illicitly given to mankind by the fallen Angels (cough) are we able to meek out an existence in this corrupted type of nature/reality.

In essence, I guess you could say that the "fallen" are like ex-moderators who did something the head administrator didn't want. They sort of used their advanced knowledge to eek out an existence ?"somewhere"? Definitely outside the parameters of what God wanted. Which is why I am not so entirely sure we are dealing with ET in the classical sense.

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I am not so sure some ET are original evolutionary creations. I have strong doubts that they evolved on some distant planet and went out into the stars to meet us.

Most of the time when you hear about an ET they sure seem like they are some derivative of some form of life found on earth. Yet their knowledge is incredibly advanced. They always occult where they are really from. Or when they do say something it is typically from a star or sector you can see in the sky (especially in ancient times). Despite the fact that these same claim to be from another universe/reality. (So which is it? Are you local to our universe or aren't you?)

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I have suspicions that the majority of ET's we encounter are probably something created in a test tube from life found on Earth. I suspect even if there are millions of each kind, they likely started from an origin in a test tube thousands, and not millions, of years ago. Even in the Bible it points out that they went about creating derivative species from life on Earth.

Your average pastor will point out it refers to animals, but I do wonder.

Another point the Bible points out is that God "cursed" "the fallen" so that their offspring children would murder each other. I wonder if that is the real reason why there are wars between them and hostile attitudes or factions for that matter. Different kinds of offspring fighting one another but emerging from the same celestial benefactor?

Like Jacques Vallee, I also suspect there is "something" that doesn't add up. I don't doubt there are ET, I just have doubts about their real in-depth origins.

Even some rare samples show they come from species on Earth. That shouldn't be possible.

How does an Alien from Lyra or the Pleiades (Sp?) have human DNA in their body? What about their stories of supposedly being from far away on a distant world or whatever realm??

Do Reptilians also have encoded DNA from Earth?

neverwas
07-24-2014, 06:43 AM
ACK ! I got that from reading a few a pages ago and from Ponti's reaction, is what I'm thinking pretty much. Then skipped to the last page to post. So hard to get back here and read more than a few pages. Ive been wanting to ask fore a question for 2 years now, about a small disaster that happened. I wish I had been paying more attention to this place. That disaster is still effecting me. I messed up. I could quote most of the last 3 or 4 pages and say I concur on the difficulties on trying to stay and read. I know I need to tho.

neverwas
07-24-2014, 07:00 AM
I like the way you have a slightly different way of looking at things fore, the parts about words having power I have been contemplating for a long time but on a much simpler level. I will have to come back and catch up on the last few pages when I'm awake and can think clearer. I'm very glad someone has taken up this subject and think it deserves a deep consideration. I have some rather strange thought's on the matter that just won't go away. It has to do with writing down the words. That everything is written down somewhere. I just can't connect it all, I'm missing pieces.

montalk
07-25-2014, 09:11 AM
I am not so sure some ET are original evolutionary creations. I have strong doubts that they evolved on some distant planet and went out into the stars to meet us.

Most of the time when you hear about an ET they sure seem like they are some derivative of some form of life found on earth. Yet their knowledge is incredibly advanced. They always occult where they are really from. Or when they do say something it is typically from a star or sector you can see in the sky (especially in ancient times). Despite the fact that these same claim to be from another universe/reality. (So which is it? Are you local to our universe or aren't you?)

We can definitely strike the pure ETH (extra-terrestrial-hypothesis) off the list. The most common aliens are way too humanoid. I don't believe in convergent evolution, where the necessity of life will make separate planets evolve similar lifeforms. Just look at all the diversity of ocean life on Earth alone, and somehow a grey alien with two eyes, two nostrils, mouth, fingers, arms, elbows, feet, etc. is supposed to be its own independent evolution from Zeta Reticuli? They seem able to breathe our air and vice versa, some can interbreed even, or at least be hybridized indicating they have compatible DNA.

Well, in addition to the "fallen angels" or "creation of fallen angels" possibility here were a few others:


* They are time travelers from Earth's own future. Grays, reptilians, insectoids, nordic types, etc. are all the products of future genetic engineering, eugenics, cybernetics, cloning, or whatever tech they have. Anyone care to check the back of a Grey for a "Made in Japan" sticker?

* A primordial alien race created all of us from a common gene pool and seeded our races on different worlds. So even if an alien came from a distant star system, we'd still be related. Similar to the lore of Star Trek and Stargate SG-1, where founder races created various humanoid species around the galaxy.

* Life started on Earth and spread elsewhere in the galaxy, evolved further in those areas, then came back to Earth as aliens. Or vice versa, life started elsewhere, spread around the galaxy, and Earth is just one of the many places this panspermia touched. If so, then the humanoid type would be concentrated near the point of origin. As in, the further you get away from this part of the galaxy, the less humanoid the aliens will appear.

* These are all just physical or semi-physical proxies created from our own biological material (human DNA, Earth DNA, local galactic neighborhood DNA) to serve an ultraterrestrial intelligence who otherwise would lack the physical 'pincers' to interact with this planet / timeline / dimension / universe.


These possibilities aren't mutually exclusive. The ultraterrestrial intelligence could be the fallen angels. It/they could have seeded humanoid life on different worlds long ago, some of whom could have traveled to Earth between then and now. Or for all we know, the ultraterrestrial force is nothing but some quantum artificial intelligence that has taken over Earth in our future (due to humans attaining the singularity that Kurzweil talks about) and in its quest for dominance it created genetically engineered probes to travel back in time and rewrite history, like in the Terminator movies but more sophisticated.

One thing I can say for sure is that aliens are not all of the same orientation, agenda, or faction. That rules out the simplistic "aliens are just products of the MIC" or "aliens are all just demons" or "aliens are just a cosmic trickster playing around with us" theory. They seem to have genuine disagreements or oppositions, irreconcilable philosophies and methodologies. While there are some who pretend "good cop bad cop" to divide and conquer, there does appear a third side that isn't part of such games. I don't think it's all just petty 'gods' warring over who gets to keep the most human 'cattle' in the end. There is another side that as best as I can tell is genuinely opposed to that at a fundamental spiritual and philosophical level, a side that can get behind us questioning things and discussing these very topics; except this side is extremely clandestine and doesn't expose itself by taking credit for the effects it produces in human consciousness.

So if they are all fallen angels, or their servant proxies, then some must have had a change in heart and are opposing the others. I theorize that the fallen angels may have been master geneticists who created various physical vehicles not only for their own control and perhaps incarnation, but to entrap spirits from the angelic realm in an effort to absorb/invade/control that realm. If angels appear to be like prototypes of humans, maybe it's because humans contain a core that is native to the kingdom or angelic realm. Maybe we are baby angels, if such a thing were possible. But then, why is that core here in these human bodies, subjected to amnesia, to being used and abused in this jungle? Maybe it was lured. Maybe first there was a rebellion/corruption, causing those forces to be cast out of the kingdom, and they then became the symbolic serpent who, through genetic engineering of biological prisons, lured the others 'up there' into 'falling' down here.

Overall, though, I don't think humans and aliens are *that* far removed from each other, relative to how both of us are relatively far removed from the angelic realm. We both are humanoid with tangible bodies, clothing, technology, shelter, vehicles, and the existence of a social structure. And that just as we have our own agendas, some positive some negative and everything in between, I think aliens are independent enough to likewise be of varied orientations. But just as some humans seem to be really saintly or spiritual or in touch with the Truth, I think some aliens could likewise be, though not the ones we typically hear about or the ones you had to deal with necessarily. And just as some humans are acting on behalf of demonic powers, I'm sure there are alien factions who likewise carry an inner darkness. A person doesn't have to be fully possessed to act in a predatorial, manipulative, self-serving manner but they serve the demonic side all the same. So I think even if aliens were created by a fallen angel ultraterrestrial intelligence, and perhaps so were we, it may still be our individual/collective freewill that decides whether we use these bodies more for good or more for evil.

neverwas
07-25-2014, 09:58 PM
I think some of the important things to consider is look at what each group is doing and try to find out what the agenda's are leading to. I only know my little pieces that I've experienced. One is that greys resemble in many ways some of the smaller bothersome entities. Ones who are hanging around while whole families are experiencing sleep paralysis. Sreaming the whole time too, and nothing would wake them. Funny that one of the young girls who had this happening to her when she was a child can't have children. Cause she has no ovaries. We did find some funky religious one world stuff up in the closet attic that it seemed attached to and couldn't keep the place cleared until it was destroyed.

montalk
07-30-2014, 03:21 AM
I would like to say something that I have been mulling over for a while. Just because I don't use my abilities anymore doesn't mean I stopped thinking about the implications of various things I have witnessed. A particular topic that has crossed my mind is that God appears to be the programmer of this reality. Alot of key things seems like a non-random form of intelligent design when seen from certain perspectives.

For example, if the ET are from another dimension, what are the chances that they would have (more or less) compatible layers of their consciousness with that of ours? Even with the UT, they look like they were a pre-cursor to our kind. (And it says so openly in the Bible)

Even though the UT aren't human, if you examine their internals you can't escape the observations that we seem to be a derivative design on something that came before us. It almost looks like previous designs of that lifeform was used in human beings.

What are the chances of that happening if they were born/created in a separate reality?

I just read an article in Scientific American about our universe possibly being a three dimensional "surface" of a four dimensional black hole. The theory says that a higher dimensional universe may exist beyond ours, complete with four dimensional "stars," and if one of those collapsed into a black hole, its event horizon would be a three dimensional membrane which is our 3D universe. Academia's starting to take this idea seriously and looking for traces of it in astrophysics data. Of course the article didn't get into the possibly of 4D lifeforms, but it started off quoting Plato's Cave allegory. Anyway, gives a new spin on the idea of "fallen."

About our consciousness having compatible layers with theirs, despite their being from another reality... I thought about it again, and concluded that we are composite beings with only our bodies (and maybe the lower half of the interconnect) being truly "of the current universe/reality." It's like those laboratory isolation chambers with the rubber glove embedded in the wall. Hand from outside gets to live inside the box, without actually being inside the box topologically. The hand-in-glove combo would have something in common with free-hands outside the box, namely the hand itself. And maybe if it lived inside the glove long enough, the skin would change, callouses would form, etc. that would make the hand still somewhat different from the hands that have never lived inside the gloves. And for all I know, there may be entities that live inside the box completely and have no existence outside the box. Not sure if you've ever interacted with entities that seem to have no higher consciousness / true sentience to them...

Fore
07-31-2014, 09:44 AM
Not sure if you've ever interacted with entities that seem to have no higher consciousness / true sentience to them...I have. They usually are the oddballs types. They stand next to the ET group members and they interact with them as the proxy.

There are different ones. They only show up [very] rarely. They usually stand off to the side while the ones I knew interacted [with telepathy] like normal. I don't know how they interacted with each other other than the short comments the ET members made for what the circumstances were at those times.

They show up in the same phasing field as the others but they have a very (very) dim psychic signature. More like what you would find in a human being than the ET I normally was used to. They register as living objects at the ESP level and they move but there is nothing that comes out of them. They didn't have Grey signatures nor Nordic types. They were an unknown type that I don't regularly see.

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There was one time when I (am unsure) I picked up on a human signature in one meeting but they were strangely telepathic. It set off alarm bells when I encountered that person standing next to them, because as far as I know I have never seen a human being next to them before that point in time. (And I never did after that) I was under the impression that I would never see a human being in the presence of their ET group because I was told human groups in the ET phenomena were supposedly dangerous from all the stories I heard. I don't recall what I said but I recall the fact that I was nervous.

So I don't know what that was about. The human signature wasn't like the normal type you'd expect from someone non-psychic. The person was like an advanced version of the psychics I normally see. The thing that I still remember was the fact that the voice of the person sounded different than when an ET uses telepathy. The techniques in their telepathy seemed (and felt) different.

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I have also encountered other ET types who do have [a very (bizarre)/strange] psychic signatures. Even though they were psychic they didn't seem to be able to communicate directly with me nor I with them. One in particular gave off a very scary feeling of...I dunno...like your looking at a "Real" alien. More foreign than most ET I met.

The only explanation I was given was that there are certain ET types who have different "overall" configurations (lifeform wise) that aren't compatible with a human beings mind. The signals the being gave off seemed to constantly make "no sense". Almost like the communication kept making my mind experience a very unique type of "unresolvable" or "unintelligible" sensation. I learned through that experience what it feels like when your lower mind can't reproduce the information it is being sent via telepathy.

It feels like your mind fails to interpret the information and a strange sensation occurs in it's place.

So I learned that even if an ET is psychic, if it is different enough in it's basic principles, it seems that psychic communication is not possible. Though I noticed that the Advisor could communicate for it and translate the unintelligible information. I noticed that day that she changed the way her psychic features worked every time they conversed. So I didn't know that until that point.


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I should also point out that ET are afraid of people (including me) when the option to be around one another in tangible interactive form is discussed. The folks I dealt with seem to have a fear that you'll hurt them if you freak out.

The "foreign" ET mentioned above wouldn't let me anywhere near to it even though it was phased out. I don't have a real explanation for their fear except what the advisor taught me about how they feel about it.

She always typically said that they don't normally allow people to have even footing [paraphrased] during a straightforward encounter. She used to explain that beyond there being other types of considerations [before contact] they require control of anyone they interact with and through that assurances that you can't actually hurt them.

She explained quite a few protocols in roundabout ways that pretty much gave me the impression that they seem just as afraid of us as we are of them. The things that stuck out the most was the way she phrased things into her explanations. After that I came to the conclusion that almost nobody interacts with the ET if there isn't some kind of control (seen or unseen) in play.

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It perhaps explains why even some contactees seem to lose segments of their experience during an encounter. You'd think if contactees were trusted (I mean really trusted like one human being does with another) there wouldn't be various subtle points employed or observed during an encounter. Stuff that shouldn't be in play if the human being were *really* actually trusted by their contact.

I mean if I share just a small enumeration of the protocols in play that she mentioned I am pretty sure that even a trusting contactee would have the wind knocked out of their sails by figuring out where those protocols apply in their interactions.

At the very least it would make things pretty clear about how the other party feels.

pontificator
08-01-2014, 08:43 AM
One thing that immensely puzzles me is this fear aspect that is present amongst the ET fraternity. They have an incredible amount of abilities, control and future sight to aid them; or so they say.
So, I'll put it this way: "For all they say and claim, they spend a lot of time performing actions which are contrary to their words and claims."

Oh, Fore, I've always wanted a more thorough description of the entities concerned during your encounters, mainly from the point of view of expanding the library of types I can call up in later writing; science fiction, quite naturally[although everyone is currently trying to work out if the current book I'm writing is sword and sorcery, science fiction, dark fantasy, horror, or something else...]

Fore
08-02-2014, 12:40 AM
One thing that immensely puzzles me is this fear aspect that is present amongst the ET fraternity. They have an incredible amount of abilities, control and future sight to aid them; or so they say.
So, I'll put it this way: "For all they say and claim, they spend a lot of time performing actions which are contrary to their words and claims." You are right. I can't say that I don't find it strange myself except for the things you notice when they were nearby all the time.

I thought about it and basically what I figure is this. If you think about it, it does make sense when you take into account alot of different things.

For example, the way *some* ET apply themselves in their "way" of doing this is by looking forward and finding the right path to a conclusion. Their focus is pretty straight forward considering that much. Problem is (and if you've seen it hundreds of times in person, you'll understand what I am about to say) "they" are "risk averse". They don't tend to like things outside of the expected.

(I am not 100% sure of the following statement being true)
The majority of them also have one fatal flaw. They can only query (like me) what they intend to target. So if they look up details of what happens next in a certain frame of reference (and depending on the method they employ) it doesn't always yield the full scope of the future situation.

What does that mean: Lets pretend they have a meeting/abduction at a location. They looked it up using their pre-cognition and they used the scope of the meeting as the query. What happens after that isn't (typically) included. Which means someone like them might have clarity of a specific focus at a destination and slot of time, but that focus might not necessarily extend outside of that. (depending on the method used for precognition)

It depends on the method employed, I can't say I know all the methods they use but there are methods that are different than others and are less susceptible to certain conditions from having used them myself.

It is an achilles heel. What they don't focus research on from a pre-existing vantage point in the past is where their weakness stems from. They are not "all seeing and all knowing".

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Another huge issue I have noticed is the fact (and I have commented it to them, to which I never received anything like a comment) is that the ET who use that precognition technique also tend to "slot themselves" into a vicious cycle of predictable behaviors.

The idiosyncrasies of some ET (I'd call it a form of madness if you don't mind) is that they get stuck in their predictable behaviors due to the way they reasoned through a possible situation. The ones who do use precognition tend to pick from a very narrow set of options. Because only a narrow number of future probabilities is positive in respect to their given choice they tend to abide to it.

There is less randomness in their decisions than what you'd find in a human person making a decision about something. Some of them think in such a calculated way that their choice is pretty predictable. If you "start a fire" by holding a conversation about a topic, you already know how they'll react and what can series of options they'll opt for to turn the conversation into a ditch.

The way they pick a successful scenario given a specific set of problems is almost [painfully] predictable. Some of them have regimented behaviors that you can count on like a pavlovian dog. If you can see even half the precognitive data they see, you can pretty easily guess what they'll do next and why and when they'll react to and roughly how.

The only ones who don't always apply themselves in the same way are the smarter ET who sometimes make "creative decisions" and don't always aim for the easy route with the least number of problems. They are less predictable in their behaviors and are scary folk to deal with.

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I am not sure if I wrote out exactly what I intended to. But basically the second point is something to keep in mind. If you always aim for your goal using Precognition then you'll always pick from very few routes to a specific conclusion. That means that if you know the goal, and if you can see almost the same information, you can pretty much peg what the decisions that follow are.

If you are a precognitve from birth and you always keep choosing solutions in that manner then, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the choices are rather limited. It is like an athlete that runs a road that curves and bends but never strays from the center line. Why? Because that is where they are going. Everything else is "the wrong way".

While with normal human beings they don't even see the line much less the road. They just run and didn't even know there was a road to begin with. They are lucky and then sometimes they aren't. Hit or miss. But they get to see all sorts of things outside that road.

If you listen to their stories of their ET society/ies you get the distinct impression that there are larger issues at play.

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I doubt normal people will fully understand what I tried to say. It is something you have to see for yourself for a while to really realize that in some ways these ET are sometimes [fundamentally] pretty screwed up people in their own way. Beyond the thick coat of shiny paint there are cracks that run deep.

The only ones who seemed to act something ~like~ a human being with their advanced awareness and yet still display some incredible levels of insight and balance are the smarter ET. They are frightening, dangerous and alot less predictable. Cunning to a really scary degree.

I dunno if they are just better balanced or if they are just in the habit of thinking outside the box. Maybe they are just well adjusted while the other are not? Dunno.

Fore
08-03-2014, 02:55 AM
@ Pontif/Montalk

You know the sound of your own mental voice right?

Question, if you were to affix that voice relative to your head, where would that mental sound be centered? (This is not a trick question, only an exploratory one for the topic of initiating telepathy. I basically want to check something.)

@ Anyone else

Your free to answer the same question, I want to see if there is a variety or if it all the same across various people. Please answer as honestly as possible.

Edward
08-03-2014, 03:27 AM
@ Pontif/Montalk

You know the sound of your own mental voice right?

Question, if you were to affix that voice relative to your head, where would that mental sound be centered? (This is not a trick question, only an exploratory one for the topic of initiating telepathy. I basically want to check something.)

@ Anyone else

Your free to answer the same question, I want to see if there is a variety or if it all the same across various people. Please answer as honestly as possible.


I'm honestly trying to feel where it's coming from. At first when I was talking to myself or thinking to myself it kinda felt like the crown of my head, like imagine from your forehead up to the top of your head but all the way around your head and you know it was like it was bouncing off of something. Although I do have a slight headache here at this time. I am not sure if this is interfering at all. Once my headache subsides and I have a clear head I'll try again and see what I get and hopefully won't be tainted with anything else I might read or what not to the responses you get Fore.

Edward

pontificator
08-03-2014, 04:08 AM
@ Pontif/Montalk

You know the sound of your own mental voice right?

Question, if you were to affix that voice relative to your head, where would that mental sound be centered? (This is not a trick question, only an exploratory one for the topic of initiating telepathy. I basically want to check something.)

@ Anyone else

Your free to answer the same question, I want to see if there is a variety or if it all the same across various people. Please answer as honestly as possible.

That's actually an interesting question, I usually think of it being somewhere towards the back of my skull, between the ears effectively, so I felt where the back of my skull actually was whilst thinking. Oddly enough the sound of my mental voice is centred just in front of the plate of the skull above the neck.

I will add this was one of the things that allowed to to notice that there was a disparity when I had my first encounter, in that my real emotion and mental voice set were in a different position from the entity's projected ones.

montalk
08-03-2014, 05:59 AM
Mine is centered in the head, vertically half an inch above the ear canal and horizontally a quarter inch from the ear canal toward the back of the head.

Fore
08-03-2014, 09:45 AM
Note: The 48 hours before the last post was made, there was an uptick in paranormal activity. Not directed at me but at another family member. After an intervention it looked like something was staring us down. At the moment I won't speculate as to what the origin was/is.

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(Feel free for anyone to continue to answer the first question even after we move beyond it.)

Next question:

What are the practical problems if you were able to induce telepathic voice phenomena inside of another individual?
What do you all envision would actually occur on a down-to-earth level depending on the degree and scope of the phenomena?

For example:
If you could only recreate an in-head voice phenomena that is unintelligible but distinguishable would it be worth while?
vs
A full replication of the telepathic phenomena produced by ET's.

And the next question after that,

What do you expect are the societal complications faced by any individual capable of doing that specific types of phenomena?
What do you expect from other forum members if you are successful?
Would you expect any type of intervention [terrestrial or extra-terrestrial]?

Fore
08-03-2014, 09:52 AM
That's actually an interesting question, I usually think of it being somewhere towards the back of my skull, between the ears effectively, so I felt where the back of my skull actually was whilst thinking. Oddly enough the sound of my mental voice is centred just in front of the plate of the skull above the neck. Would you say your position is the same as that of Montalk?


I will add this was one of the things that allowed to to notice that there was a disparity when I had my first encounter, in that my real emotion and mental voice set were in a different position from the entity's projected ones.Very observant of you. ;)

If you wanted to elaborate on the phenomena you witnessed and the tiny nuanced sensations that you noticed prior to, during and after....well I won't stop you from divulging any of that. Very much appreciated if you did talk about anything you noticed. :D

Fore
08-03-2014, 10:48 AM
@ Montalk/Pontif

Use these charts so we have a solid point of reference.

Write it out like

Side axis - A15
Front axis - A15

Etc

http://s30.postimg.org/npxhg3njl/Head_Cross_Section_1.png

http://s13.postimg.org/oy4yyucbr/Head_Cross_Section_2.png

pontificator
08-03-2014, 12:32 PM
Would you say your position is the same as that of Montalk?


Very observant of you.


If you wanted to elaborate on the phenomena you witnessed and the tiny nuanced sensations that you noticed prior to, during and after....well I won't stop you from divulging any of that. Very much appreciated if you did talk about anything you noticed.


Probably close to Montalk's area, although the position is different if I try music playback/composition [I can mentally position that to a fair degree to the interior of the skull, but I can make Queen's "we will, we will, rock you *que percussion*" line sound partially external.]


Okay, I'm going to review things very carefully as there were one or two things I've not talked about which didn't seem very important, but on further thought might be of interest.


The entity produced the "perfect" intonation of a voice in the front centre of the skull. The feeling/sensation of honour was permiating the skull region. My sense of excitement and wild cycling through possible questions [including discounting asking its name because that'd be a useless thing to ask{I remembered that point from your thread}] was in the location I have given above.


When noting the disparity between my thoughts, and emotion, and what was going on elsewhere in my head I effectively ran a test. That was the moment that I had that sensation of an electrical spark in my skull, Front F8, Side E12. It would seem I mentally reached out, and clashed with it's control [thinking upon that it might have been quite dangerous to push it any further, I backed off at the time upon the clash.]


When it told me what it was, after it looked up suddenly when I asked that question, ["The penultimate human form/pinnacle of human evolution"] I had a few brief moments in which I processed what that meant... I actually had the aspect of the Beholder and the beholder kin pop to mind from my old D&D days, so I thought ahh its kin. At that moment something changed which I'm a bit lacking on details of, but essentially there was a moment of agreement on "kinship" as an emotional state [there seems to be another layer going on there, but I'm not able to examine it closely at this time, my memory is not 100% perfect in recalling it {suggesting it might have been the non-speech/non-emotional direct communication of meaning thing I'm still working on <to be honest I'm not a great fan of that type of communication, anything that uses it assumes you can assimilate it at their pace>}.]


In another encounter, the vet, I note the positioning of any communication is also skull-forward orientated, with emotional states in the same place. Certain feelings they don't seem to utilize do start at heart-level for me though, like rabbit caught in headlights fear, or imminent doom.


Yet another encounter, with something that used the non-sound approach to communication, was almost at the front of the skull, just in from the forehead [it was rather displeased about something, but communicated its displeasure so far I wasn't able to get all of what it said {something about this intervention being all my fault etc I gathered it was intellectually pissed, but I wasn't sure what it was going on about.}]



@ Montalk/Pontif


Use these charts so we have a solid point of reference.


Write it out like


Side axis - A15
Front axis - A15


Etc



Okay, it seems to be, very, roughly at: Side G16, Front G11




Next question:


What are the practical problems if you were able to induce telepathic voice phenomena inside of another individual?



Well, a lot of people would think they had just lost the plot. However, due to the nature of Telepathy they'd probably assign it as being caused by the one doing it. I also know it causes an addictive fascination, and the idea of suddenly developing a cult of followers who just want to hear my voice does not appeal. There are also the other problems that arise, mainly from influence mixing and effectively gaining partial control of others [all a recipe for disaster.]


Other individuals would go down the route of assigning every kind of ill to the telepathic individuals presence. After all, where there is telepathy there must be something in every other superstition that has existed.




What do you all envision would actually occur on a down-to-earth level depending on the degree and scope of the phenomena?


For example:
If you could only recreate an in-head voice phenomena that is unintelligible but distinguishable would it be worth while?
vs
A full replication of the telepathic phenomena produced by ET's.



Well, it depends entirely on how one plays it... for unintelligible phenomena you can say it is [insert supernatural being] speaking in tongues, or that they are not yet worthy of being able to understand. You could, quite naturally, translate the holy speech for the masses... personally I find unintelligible phenomena non-useful.


In terms of full replication, well I can see far more uses for that [mentally projected music concert anyone?]


Now, as to what would happen on earth if it became commonplace, I can only see wide-scale abuse overwhelming those who are more sensible with their abilities.




And the next question after that,


What do you expect are the societal complications faced by any individual capable of doing that specific types of phenomena?



If you can project you can usually read. You would effectively become a leper of your own making, because of the disgust at the thoughts of those around you. Everyone you held respect for would be degraded in your sight by their thoughts and ambitions. In terms of the one with the ability, well they could try to do the right thing, but it is more likely that temptation will get the better of them over time if they are not kept in check by an iron will [very hard to find, I assure you.]




What do you expect from other forum members if you are successful?



Well, the individuals here are more understanding and open minded about things here. It is very likely you'd have several groups:
Those interested in how it worked.
Those interested in experiencing it.
Those wanting to acquire the ability.
Naturally with the full spectrum of good and bad associated with each. There are also those who simply wouldn't believe it even if I was telepathically playing back the badger song at full volume...




Would you expect any type of intervention [terrestrial or extra-terrestrial]?



Terrestrial groups may, and I mean may, be interested in recruiting or neutralizing [or simply watching.] I cannot really speak for the plethora of alphabet soup agencies out there, but then again an asset is an asset, and I don't think that they have telepaths growing off trees quite yet. Extra-Terrestrials are an interesting one, personally I'd suspect they'd keep a lid on it, as having too much free thinking out there might bring too much attention their way.

Fore
08-03-2014, 01:34 PM
I can't find the graphic off the top of my head. But do you recall the charts I made with the positions of the influence centers inside the skull?

I thought they were on the first page....

Figure 1a:

http://s8.postimg.org/ftxi5fpol/Figure_1a.png

Fore
08-03-2014, 01:37 PM
Okay, it seems to be, very, roughly at: Side G16, Front G11
Is this plot point in reference to your normal thinking or one of the three encounters with an ET?

Can you reference if the same location was receiving a form of sensation during each encounter? Or was it different during each encounter?

pontificator
08-03-2014, 11:09 PM
Is this plot point in reference to your normal thinking or one of the three encounters with an ET?

Can you reference if the same location was receiving a form of sensation during each encounter? Or was it different during each encounter?

That particular point would be normal thinking [G16,G11]

In terms of ETs that have used roughly the same method as the first encounter it would match with the new chart you just put up. The other methods I've encountered are one-offs, and a bit difficult to work on in terms of getting the positioning right. This is mainly because they knock me out so quick that I don't have enough time to counter the effect; "wth is that, ack ALIEN" *ZONK* <--- Insert mind effect of choice; it doesn't help that they have a tendency to make sure they appear outside my range of normal vision [I'm short-sighted, they only need to be a metre and a half away and they are reasonably blurred, but the blurring does have advantages in determining dominant colours, and the body shape is perfectly fine to determine; the "greys" that visit me are actually eye white, and smooth skinned. Eyes pretty normal for a grey, but don't quite match the pictures around the place <wider spacing, touch more upturn to edges of face>. If they apply the mask effect for making themselves look like someone else then the eyes essentially appear like the coloured irises of the person concerned at normal size.]

Sensation wise, when they are using emotion to augment a statement it is in roughly the same position [the first time the vet appeared it knocked me into an immovable state, it was very difficult to force myself to speak, that effect filled the skull.] Physical visits produce the same effects, remote and non-corporal visitors produce different effects.

BTW: The images are on the first page of the thread, but you need to be logged in to see them.

montalk
08-04-2014, 01:30 AM
My inner voice:

Side axis - G14
Front axis - G11

I used this composite to get the coordinate relative to my ears:

http://montalk.net/pics/head_cross_section.jpg

montalk
08-04-2014, 01:51 AM
I can't find the graphic off the top of my head. But do you recall the charts I made with the positions of the influence centers inside the skull?

Found them on page 87. Did the blue/yellow/red color of these dots signify something important?

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects2.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects3.png

Fore
08-04-2014, 08:26 AM
Found them on page 87. Did the blue/yellow/red color of these dots signify something important?

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects2.png

http://montalk.net/topf/interconnects3.pngThey are influence centers that modify influence to make psychic activity possible.

Different modes of psychic activity required different [modes of activity] configurations of those nodes (and some other structures) to make the entire psychic phenomena controllable and directable.

Basically, Pontif and I are more similar than dissimilar in the way our influence infrastructure works. When he was communicating with the ET he was utilizing one of the centers on the right side which is normal for one type of telepathy.

Fore
08-04-2014, 08:40 AM
That particular point would be normal thinking [G16,G11]

In terms of ETs that have used roughly the same method as the first encounter it would match with the new chart you just put up. The other methods I've encountered are one-offs, and a bit difficult to work on in terms of getting the positioning right. This is mainly because they knock me out so quick that I don't have enough time to counter the effect; "wth is that, ack ALIEN" *ZONK* <--- Insert mind effect of choice; it doesn't help that they have a tendency to make sure they appear outside my range of normal vision [I'm short-sighted, they only need to be a metre and a half away and they are reasonably blurred, but the blurring does have advantages in determining dominant colours, and the body shape is perfectly fine to determine; the "greys" that visit me are actually eye white, and smooth skinned. Eyes pretty normal for a grey, but don't quite match the pictures around the place <wider spacing, touch more upturn to edges of face>. If they apply the mask effect for making themselves look like someone else then the eyes essentially appear like the coloured irises of the person concerned at normal size.] Yeah, it's normal protocol for encounters.

If they don't do it they will get in trouble with their overseeing supervisors. It also adds a layer of safety so you don't do anything to harm them. Pulling a handgun from a cabinet or whatever.

Also like they taught me, it had pragmatic reasons. The less you identify, the less you can relate it to others.

Even those who see something should be controlled every step of the way in some form or manner if they stick to generic protocols.

Sensation wise, when they are using emotion to augment a statement it is in roughly the same position [the first time the vet appeared it knocked me into an immovable state, it was very difficult to force myself to speak, that effect filled the skull.] Physical visits produce the same effects, remote and non-corporal visitors produce different effects.

BTW: The images are on the first page of the thread, but you need to be logged in to see them.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the sub-channels in telepathy help to fill in the details of knowledge of whatever is being relayed. So they don't even need English to communicate a complex topic or conversation.

Since we grow up with audioable verbal types of communication like what comes out of our mouth, it helps to cement/affix the ideas being expressed. The literal sub-channel telepathic communication contains a finer grain of detail despite the fact that perhaps your average contactee heard only 2 or 3 paragraphs worth or spoken language in their head.

I can only suppose the average experiencer might leave out the sub-channel details that converged with each verbal expression emitted by the ET telepath.

Fore
08-06-2014, 11:42 PM
There are three main kinds of telepathy I recognize. Two of them with about a dozen different styles and methods of application.

[As I will now refer to them:]
Type 1 is manipulation in the lower loop of consciousness. It is a type of telepathy that infuses the 5 senses of a human being with a form of "influence data" that makes one experience the telepathic hallucination of sound communication. It makes the person experiencing it "hear" a voice as if it comes from the ear. (except the brain processes it, the ear [organ] doesn't actually experience anything)

Sort of like a hi-jack of sensory processing.

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Some few ET's I met tend to use that method. I didn't particularly like it because it was disconcerting to hear the telepathy that way. I always noticed it seemed to be limited to close proximity encounters. I don't recall off the top of my head any distant communication using that particular method.

Probably requires accurate targeting of tissues and energy centers in the head. I noticed the ET only used this form at very close-up distances.

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Type 2 is a higher loop manipulation of information where the ET induces telepathy higher up and lets it process..."down the loop" of a persons consciousness. As the information trickles down into the lower loop of consciousness it manifests as a form of perceived mental communication between two [or more] individuals.

It is more versatile and less disconcerting (well to me). It doesn't seem to require finer forms of targeting of the physical mass of a persons body. Instead (I am unsure) the target is the specific psychic signature that represents a person. This method is used by 95% of the ET's I met. The ET using this method target the specific influence field pattern of a person rather than their body.

Type 1 is sometimes used to augment Type 2 communication styles. When mental abstractions aren't enough or a clearer sensory based approach is necessary; Type 1 Telepathy is employed.

For example, giving a person vivid visual snapshots of a particular idea, person or object. Lets say the focus of a conversation is about a person you haven't yet met and the ET are detailing the characteristics of a person. The primary Telepathy type is usually Type 2 and is mental communication. Through that type (Type 2) the individual is described with one main channel using verbal cues, with various sub-channels of telepathy backfilling information such as height, weight, ethnicity, age, location, relationship, history, etc.

Type 1 Telepathy might then be applied to render a visual using the sensory processing an individual has to see a snapshot visually. Together these two types of telepathy build a very fast communication with a portfolio of everything relevant and necessary to that specific individual.

Type 2 is much more flexible in terms of communication. Less invasive and distracting.

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Type 3 is a type of communication I have only noticed UT using. They seem to combine type 2 and add an upper-channel form of communicating that I can only call a Type 3. A sort of spiritual communication that is not necessarily mental and is very direct.

A Type 2 Telepathy is usually used to carry mental telepathy with the UT in verbal types of language and normal forms of mental exchanges. Type 3 is then added as a primary form of communication. Type 2 supports Type 3 with the UT I have talked with.

Whereas they say very little as verbal communication, the upper-channel (Type 3) communication fills out the details at a level above the mental [spiritual]. So despite the cognition that they haven't actually said much and are brief in communicating, the upper-channel leaves a deep impression with specificity.

It is hard to describe. The UT seem to have access to a form of communication which seems to affect the deepest internals that a person has. It doesn't seem to be a mental level effect like what you'd find with the average ET telepath.

A few ET have previously mentioned upper segments or areas of living consciousness that they lack access to. (Short but interesting stories)

Fore
08-09-2014, 07:38 AM
I need your input/testing to figure out a proper working model of what triggers the type 1 telepathy.

My hypothesis is:
--It "seems" that active [emissive (https://www.google.com/search?q=emissive) type, directional] telepathy requires very little actual influence use.

-I am unsure if this is because the influence centers are already primed and ready for psychic activity in a psychic or if the requirements are just simply the lowest.

-I assume from previous accidental uses and intentional testing that it only required an initial intent of whom you intend to communicate with followed by the actual thought form data to be expressed.

-The resulting experience on the receiver's end [human] is of acknowledgement of:
50% of the time whom is communicating as if reacting to directed speech from a specific person.
50% of the time hearing unintelligible speech which includes the audible [physical] sensation of spoken language.

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--I assume active emissive type 1 telepathy is relatively straight forward for a user to initiate.

If I can accidentally create it from time to time, even in very low states of psychic activity, it must therefore mean that the proper technique must be easy to utilize from a default state. But in the same vein, it must have a specific characteristic of activity that is uncommon that triggers type 1 telepathy; otherwise everyone would have been using it.

What I don't know yet is the exact reason why it triggers.

I have figured out from each accident that it triggers when the perceived thought processes are moved towards the rear of the skull.
The conditions prior to trigger it are usually the same.
1)The initial brief thought of intending to talk to someone within the mental landscape.
2)The brief content to be talked about.
2a)The experience of a slightly altered awareness state, like a relaxed state with the thought process sensation located towards the rear of the skull.
Somewhere around Side Axis E17-E18.
3)The effect is triggered. A sense of "thinking aloud" and not being attentive to your conscious thought process.
4)Pulses and sensations of influence. (occurs about 30% of the time)

5) The other party reacts indicating to you to repeat what was just said because they didn't catch all of what was said.

pontificator
08-10-2014, 11:40 AM
@Fore, just checking, I shouldn't target you as a test candidate, right?
@Montalk, feel free to fire away on the testing, I noted a few days back that things were going on when you popped up in Skype.

I've been pretty busy finishing an exam and various bits associated with some training I'm doing, so I hope that things will be freed up better soon.

Fore
08-10-2014, 01:05 PM
@Fore, just checking, I shouldn't target you as a test candidate, right? I have never seen type 1 work at distances of more than 150~ feet. It will work without line of sight but my current understanding is that it won't work beyond a certain proximity.

For example, the last time I accidentally triggered it was about 6 days ago and I was behind a wall. (Between me and the person I accidentally focused on)

If it is you, I don't mind, I just don't think it will work. I was hoping you two (or the others) would try it on people where you live who were not clued in on the experiment. (Unethical, but mostly harmless)

I am going in to the hospital in a few minutes as I am feeling "unwell" in recent days.


@Montalk, feel free to fire away on the testing, I noted a few days back that things were going on when you popped up in Skype.

I've been pretty busy finishing an exam and various bits associated with some training I'm doing, so I hope that things will be freed up better soon.If you are doing distant focusing, beyond the proximity I described, I suggest you try adding some extra techniques to the mix. Like embedding your influence into one another.

It might help, as you'll probably be able to more easily focus on each other. Though from what I know, it probably won't work.

Your best bet are those living directly around you. Of course don't tip them off until after the fact if they notice. (My personal opinion only) That way you'll get better and more reliable results.

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I should also point out that my thought processes (the mental sensations) focus and move around depending on which psychic combination I once used. The main stay default Id say is somewhere in section C10 or C9. (Side Axis)

Type 2 Telepathy uses two different locations. For non-line-of-sight and medium distances the majority is (like what you described):

http://s8.postimg.org/ftxi5fpol/Figure_1a.png

The other variation is usually for when they are actually present on the ground. Side Axis E/F 6->12.
Sorry I can't be more specific right at the moment. I am under less than optimal conditions to be writing anything out with proper accuracy.

Fore
08-10-2014, 01:27 PM
[Type 2]

Type 2 seems to work on human consciousness but it seems to skew their [the targets] internal thought processes. I don't know how to properly emulate the ET techniques to make an audioable manifestation at the mental level with Type 2.

That can be used at larger distances. But seems to require much more influence and other subtle requirements. The forward "forehead" version [Still Type 2, but different technique/mode] obviously uses the psychic structures/vent in the forehead.

The upper version, (Type 2) seems to influence peoples upper thought process. (Strong suspicions)

Some people are self aware enough that they notice the (not properly formed) changes I have tried. While the majority do not consciously notice it. They do still become affected to varying degrees.

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The most helpful aid is simply implanting bits of your influence in the person you intend to target.
It'll act as a passive antenna or repeater while it is in their system and it makes it easy for you to find the marked targets more easily.
Leaving behind influence inside that person is like grafting/stitching on a part of your fabric of consciousness to them.
That part of you will still respond to your thought forms even if it is isolated by distance.
In other words, the grafted bit of your patterned influence will repeat what you think while it gradually absorbs itself into the fabric of that foreign consciousness.
In essence making a low-tech repeater inside that persons influence field.

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The ET use such techniques in more advanced ways (and with various techniques) to make networks within networks at a psychic level.

So you should probably attempt to replicate that in your attempts. Though I warn you, it'll only probably work with Type 2 Telepathy. No clue if it would work right for Type 1.

Everything I know about type one is that it requires proximity and fine [psychic] control.

montalk
08-12-2014, 11:10 AM
If I can accidentally create it from time to time, even in very low states of psychic activity, it must therefore mean that the proper technique must be easy to utilize from a default state. But in the same vein, it must have a specific characteristic of activity that is uncommon that triggers type 1 telepathy; otherwise everyone would have been using it.

What I don't know yet is the exact reason why it triggers.

I have figured out from each accident that it triggers when the perceived thought processes are moved towards the rear of the skull.
The conditions prior to trigger it are usually the same.
1)The initial brief thought of intending to talk to someone within the mental landscape.
2)The brief content to be talked about.
2a)The experience of a slightly altered awareness state, like a relaxed state with the thought process sensation located towards the rear of the skull.
Somewhere around Side Axis E17-E18.
3)The effect is triggered. A sense of "thinking aloud" and not being attentive to your conscious thought process.
4)Pulses and sensations of influence. (occurs about 30% of the time)

5) The other party reacts indicating to you to repeat what was just said because they didn't catch all of what was said.

When I read your first sentence above, I thought back to times when I unwittingly had a certain kind of thought-activity that was immediately followed by someone near me going "What? Oh I thought you said something" and I say "No I didn't say anything" and they say "Oh, never mind then." And I reflected back on what it felt like. Too bad I wasn't paying attention, therefore I don't remember the full details of what went on in my head, just a general impression such as being unmindful of the process, not fully self-aware, yet totally absorbed in that activity.

Then I read your points 1-5 and it matched what I experienced line for line, though I never noticed the "pulses and sensations of influence" because I'm not sensitized to noticing that. And that slightly altered state of awareness, I don't know about mine having the thought process sensation toward the rear of the skull (because I wasn't paying attention to its location in my head). I'd call it further away from where it is when I'm fully sharp and present, but can't place it spatially.

However, the relaxed state + not being attentive + being very single-minded and 'at one' with the intent/thought I was having, yes that was a common factor among these incidences. My conundrum was this: I have to be aware enough to initiate the process in the first place (instead of thinking about something else and never getting around to initiating the act) but success requires not being all that aware of the process while it's being carried out. If you told me right now to enter a relaxed state of mind and try to replicate that state, I don't think I could do it because a) I'm aware of what I need to do, but that awareness interferes with the process, or else b) I'm not aware, and therefore have a chance of being in the proper state of mind, but in not being aware I'm likely doing/thinking something other than the test. So maybe there's a way of having the cake and eating it too... I'm curious too how this can be intentionally replicated at will.

Also, there may be more correlating data out there in published texts/videos, like anecdotal data or practical methods garbled a bit by new age or mystical paradigms, that can be reverse engineered to get at the underlying mechanism.

Fore
08-12-2014, 02:21 PM
When I read your first sentence above, I thought back to times when I unwittingly had a certain kind of thought-activity that was immediately followed by someone near me going "What? Oh I thought you said something" and I say "No I didn't say anything" and they say "Oh, never mind then." And I reflected back on what it felt like. Too bad I wasn't paying attention, therefore I don't remember the full details of what went on in my head, just a general impression such as being unmindful of the process, not fully self-aware, yet totally absorbed in that activity.

Then I read your points 1-5 and it matched what I experienced line for line, though I never noticed the "pulses and sensations of influence" because I'm not sensitized to noticing that. And that slightly altered state of awareness, I don't know about mine having the thought process sensation toward the rear of the skull (because I wasn't paying attention to its location in my head). I'd call it further away from where it is when I'm fully sharp and present, but can't place it spatially. I am actually not very surprised at that. It probably implies that there is a trigger in the process that [in theory] might be practically applicable to most people.

I assume that telepathy must be one of the easiest techniques, though there must be a secret sauce in there somewhere to make it work right and efficiently. I know it was one of the first techniques that I was successful with between ET's. (Type 2)

Hitting the right states to make type 1 work is like hitting the right notes on the piano. My technique must be off in that I recognize the relaxed state making it work from the get-go but can't replicate it easily because I have been trained to deal with a different mode of attentive awareness.

The relaxed state seems to be the same mode used for Remote Viewing mode tests they conducted on me a long time ago. Though almost all the training was exclusively and mostly for keeping a perpetual state of clarity. I was taught that I had to be able to use various combinations in unison rather than one at a time.

What gets me confused is the fact that the ET (as far as I have always seen) used the same modes as I did. I don't recall them switching to the modes that you'd usually find just before falling asleep. Which seems like it would go against the grain of their usual techniques.

So my best guess is that we are triggering the phenomena but possibly incorrectly. There must be a mechanism that is compatible with everything else they taught me that I am overlooking. I know we can use our external psychic structures to affect the brain into different modes "at will". But the relaxed and unattentive state seems like it would run against the grain of all their basic principles.

I keep thinking to myself that I have never watched/seen an ET lapse into an unattentive state while using type 2. I am unsure of type 1 as it is rarely used. Oh, maybe type 1 is rarely used because it works differently? Hmm?? <epic shrug>

Fore
08-12-2014, 02:54 PM
For example, when an ET is standing next to you and they tell you to connect to someone "far away" in the local vicinity or in another part of the country that you know. They usually walk up and place their hand over your head about 4 inches away.

They pull up the external structures and cycle through the psychic sequences. Most of the time they do the activation sequence at a quick clip to save both of us time. Other times they just wait while you do it yourself.

You gradually tell your higher self to start inducing the influence pressure into a higher rate of production. The influence comes up from your chest and abdomen at an increasing rate over a few seconds. Then you position and funnel the main supply of influence from the torso through the base of the skull.

Like a plug into it's socket the whole thing starts ramping up mostly by itself. Depending on the specific traits of psychic function you manipulate 5 or so psychic spherical structures in the brain. Each one has to receive it's own supply of influence from the base of the skull and the influence supply has to contain instructions on how it modulates and sends the influence to external areas beyond the skull.

Then, the outflow of influence out of the skull occurs and the connection is made by the control structures between the IFM field and EFM structures. Between the IFM and EFM there is a small layer that acts as an intermediary around the head. The control structures elongate from the 5 or so internal structures in the brain and reach outward to touch the intermediary layer. That layer (depending on function) then transmits the signals to the outer layer. Other modes don't do that and the signaling is done from inside the IFM field. (The beginners way of doing things by the way)

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If the intermediary layers are active, if you need a different skillset, the primary control structure takes over and the round structure like a halo shape intensifies and rises out of the skull. The moment it does, the internal influence from the IFM (internal field) passes through it as it rises and the outer field becomes active. The intermediary layer only acts like a repeater at that point. (depending on skill intended)

The locust of control (I guess you could call it that) then is at the top of the head and everything else is controlled from there.

During all of that process the different structures need to be modified in a series of sequences so it all works together. But basically that is if you keep undulating from high state to a lower state. The ET's seemed to always keep their state at an always on position.

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If you focus on a human being from far away you can perceive their thoughts in pretty much real time. Or you can observe whats present as they think it and react to it without telling them. (Though some folks are pretty sharp and figure it out...even though you'd assume no one in their right mind would assume something as "illogical" as that happening to them in real life. I have learned that regular people are sometimes superstitious or just suspicious enough if there are enough coincidences occurring from their perspective.)

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Point is, if you think of the upper part of your neck as a corridor and your torso as containing the main supply of influence you might be able to replicate part of the procedure.

I recalled a moment ago that during some of the tests we did, there were times when I was asked to use modes that made me feel like I was asleep but fully alert. (Different brainwave activity I suspect)

That was usually the start of a test in a new branching talent and then later that mode wasn't required as much. We don't use sound or images to alter brainwave functions. The psychic structures and our communicative control over our own psychic features controls our body. Our body becomes a sort of ~slave~ to whatever the psychic control structures tell it to do.

An extension of that is obviously like what you'd see in abductions where other peoples bodies comes under the control of the ET's psychic control structures. Telepathy is just a smaller scale manipulation of the functioning of a foreign psychic body.

Fore
08-12-2014, 03:02 PM
I probably shouldn't throw this pebble into the lake, but....

I think the positioning aspect might be misleading. I am unsure. I think the fact that pushing my thoughts to the rear makes type 1 effects spontaneously appear and disappear is possibly because there are two vents of influence near there. So it might just be that the position might simply trigger data to reach the intermediary psychic layer that surrounds the skull.

I know when ever I have seen the ET using type 2 in person and at arms length that they always have like pulses of influence coming from the intermediary layers (the sides of their heads) most of the time. They sometimes forget that their close proximity makes it a bit overwhelming on the telepathy side.

pontificator
08-13-2014, 12:32 PM
I probably shouldn't throw this pebble into the lake, but....

I think the positioning aspect might be misleading. I am unsure. I think the fact that pushing my thoughts to the rear makes type 1 effects spontaneously appear and disappear is possibly because there are two vents of influence near there. So it might just be that the position might simply trigger data to reach the intermediary psychic layer that surrounds the skull.

I know when ever I have seen the ET using type 2 in person and at arms length that they always have like pulses of influence coming from the intermediary layers (the sides of their heads) most of the time. They sometimes forget that their close proximity makes it a bit overwhelming on the telepathy side.

I'll keep that about type 2 in mind, it's different to some of my attempts in the past to try and get some forms of phenomena working [which can cause some wicked headaches apparently.] Given the ET don't appear to have used it, I would presume Type 1 is not possible when using Remote Presence? I had a thought of manifesting an influence presence, and then bridging over that a Type 1 effect as an experiment at some point.

I will note one important thing, I have a presumption that the ET will not use any system that we should not be aware of. In other words, lots more is possible, but we don't know what we don't know as it were...

Fore
08-13-2014, 03:44 PM
I'll keep that about type 2 in mind, it's different to some of my attempts in the past to try and get some forms of phenomena working [which can cause some wicked headaches apparently.] Given the ET don't appear to have used it, I would presume Type 1 is not possible when using Remote Presence? I had a thought of manifesting an influence presence, and then bridging over that a Type 1 effect as an experiment at some point. I honestly don't know. I only know that I haven't really seen anyone doing it with type 1.

Could it be for other reasons? I dunno. (Pragmatic reasons? Technical reasons? Efficiency reasons?)


I will note one important thing, I have a presumption that the ET will not use any system that we should not be aware of. In other words, lots more is possible, but we don't know what we don't know as it were...Correct.

They have discussed it with me in the past so your assumption is more than founded as far as I am concerned.

I am often confounded [quite a bit] by contactee cases where there is a standard relationship you'd expect (A controlled one). You'll hear the witnesses talk about the ET and the things they outwardly do, including some externalized psychic talents...and yet...you'll notice they [the contactee] don't seem to mention or even know about alot of the talents.

I'd even say it is seemingly absent from their acute awareness to a large degree.

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Like everything else, where there is one psychic skill activity there should be others. Of course I know not all ET's are the same talent wise. Whats truly strange and bewildering is that the contactee doesn't really know of or see alot of various talents are actually present [and often in play] at their encounters.

They'll state telepathic communication. But they miss the fact that their emotions are artificially amped up or seemingly lack the awareness of everything that goes hand-in-hand with that.

If you placed a fully conscious and lucid person in a room with an ET, by days end, you'd hear them likely reiterate the same observations I noticed.

Yet some of these contactee spend several hours and come out the other end of the contact scenario with a very limited insight into the beings they just met. From my perspective I just feel it is strange that they don't notice certain things on their own from the start. I recall pointing out a ton of things to some experiencers and they only seemingly realize it as your pointing it out. Why didn't they notice it as it was happening?

Fore
08-13-2014, 04:13 PM
Ok for example,

A really [REALLY!!] basic example psychic network can be formed if [Pontif/Montalk and I] share a small fragment of each others influence patterns.

Imagine that our entire consciousness and influence infrastructure can be likened to a square cloth. When cutting a small corner out of the greater fabric that is found embedded in each of our bodies, that little piece still belongs to the rest of the larger cloth.

If we each share a tiny piece with each other; what we three would think in our individual consciousness, is repeated in that little corner cut out from the main body and shared with someone else. So one thought in one specific body with a specific influence pattern spreads to all the subdivisions spread out across space.

If I shared two tiny pieces with you and Montalk, you'd each be living with a piece of me inside of you. Those little pieces repeat what happens in the main body it was formerly from. So what happens in my head, happens in yours. Depending on the compatibility (and various other factors) my little piece inside each of you would tint and change your field data with whatever happens in my main influence body.

Likewise, whatever happens in each of your main influence body, is also imprinted in that little piece I gave each of you. Therefore we would have a very basic version of a telepathic network.

If I watch a show, and I thought it sucked, you would perceive what that show was and my opinion of it. The more data that little fragment is capable of replicating, the more you observe in detail on your end.

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What if I want Pontif to hear one specific series of thoughts but not Montalk? Well, I would require a psychic ability to actively manipulate that piece. Rather than a general broadcast to all of my pieces outside my body. I can specifically control one piece inside Pontif to relay certain information which does not replicate inside of Montalk.

(Like the ET versions of networks within networks, and protected channels of communications. ET groups can share information yet exclude individuals or groups outside that participation.)

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Not sure what other concepts come to mind that would be interesting or worth sharing.

Fore
08-13-2014, 04:24 PM
By the way, back before I joined OMF, I used to run experiments with the Advisor on other human beings that she let me test things out. People I knew on the Net and not in person.

I used to practice communicating with them (and they with me) on a level below what anyone would consider "Telepathy".

By an example that is very close to what I just wrote previously. We would notify each other (casually) via this form of non-verbal signaling and would let each other know (or in my case, just read their mind) about what happened in the day to day events. Out of a form of practice I would read their mind and tell them about various things that happened. They too would know what happened in far more general terms.

From these [informal] experiments between the Advisor [an ET] and them, I figured out that I made people increasingly more psychic after each interaction. I also suspected that I influenced the way they thought because they were seemingly always on the same page of thought as to whatever was said at any given time. More than half of the people I practiced with were aware of when I was doing the mind reading even when we weren't in front of a PC or telephone.

(Mostly because my techniques back then were 1)not so good 2)pretty obvious to them 3)I taught them step by step how to notice me)

I kept noticing the same effects to a decreasing degree over time when I joined OMF.

Fore
08-16-2014, 11:52 AM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/05/dnt-trail-camera-ufo-sighting.wlox.html

Fore
08-18-2014, 07:20 AM
Also, there may be more correlating data out there in published texts/videos, like anecdotal data or practical methods garbled a bit by new age or mystical paradigms, that can be reverse engineered to get at the underlying mechanism.

I will do what you said, but so far the first sampling is pretty dull and not very detailed:

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Am-Telepathic/1580808

It will take some sifting to find someone who can describe things in more details to "reverse engineer" what the right trigger or method might be for type 1. This guy/gal seems to have used their higher (upper primary) psychic structures to create the effect. But it seems like type 2 telepathy. Not quite the type I am looking for.

Also looks like he/she experienced the painful side effects of prolonged inactivity. The psychic activation sequences and venting process must have been pretty painful for him to take painkillers. Not an unexpected symptom.

http://s28.postimg.org/l2puubfjh/Internals_1.png

I am creating basic sketches for reference. (they are incomplete)

Fore
08-18-2014, 07:25 AM
http://s29.postimg.org/3s4yigirr/Basic_Consciousness_v_01.png

Fore
08-24-2014, 01:20 AM
Unfortunately, most of the techniques I have read through that seem to indicate the accurate use of telepathy have all been type 2.

Most of those use synchronization techniques (like I described above) to achieve that result. There seems to be a scarcity of type 1 techniques.

montalk
08-26-2014, 09:33 AM
Thanks for looking. The examples I've come across in books/internet do seem like Type 2. They say relax, create an emotional rapport with the target, and use a visual such as a tube connecting your heads that transmits the thoughts (which I think just creates a command/directive to the higher mind to initiate a thought transfer). But the receiver doesn't get 5-sense data, it's just vague impressions, like something barely percolating into the lower mind from the receiver's higher mind, so that rules out Type 1.

So about Type 1, a few thoughts/questions crossed my mind:

Don't demons and maybe ghosts use Type 1 when they worm their influence fields into a person's neural circuitry and induce visual/audio/kinesthetic hallucinations? Like possessed schizophrenics hearing voices? I wonder if that can teach us anything on how to do it (because that seems more common than aliens doing Type 1).

If we can do it inadvertently without needing to be in a state of activation and without needing to know neural anatomy to target the precise areas, then something else like the higher mind is doing the targeting for us, right? You said it requires only the initial intent, along with thought of the person and the thought itself. That sounds like a directive being passed.

My wild guess is that Type 1 involves the following:

- Sender somehow accesses the higher mind/self but not through any kind of developed/activated psychic structures or EFM field necessarily, rather via processes that already exist. Obviously not the processes responsible for you raising your arm whenever you wish because you have full control of that, but perhaps something close to that, maybe just one level beneath that, like more at the 'subconscious' level. Because it's at that level, you don't normally access it in a fully present and alert state of mind usually.

- To do this without being in an activated state requires that relaxed, back of the head, 'in the zone' state of consciousness. Maybe it's an alternate way of getting more into unison with the higher mind, that doesn't depend on having a powerful IFM/EFM. I've heard anecdotes of people doing supernatural, miraculous, superhuman things in the spur of the moment when a critical need arises; before and after they're not psychic or superhuman in any way, and the quickness at which it comes on rules out a gradual building up of psychic structures. So something else that's always there, but not always active, becomes active in those cases. I do think it might be an alternate route to using the EFM or the higher self, but its use isn't as reliable or reproducible as the direct method of being highly activated.

- Once reached, the higher mind then does something to your IFM (which is in an idle/quiescent state) that shoots off a directional emissive type of influence toward the person targeted by your initial intent. This then hits the receiver's lower loop and creates 5-sense data there.

Is that even possible or plausible?

Fore
08-26-2014, 10:50 AM
Is that even possible or plausible?It is very plausible. Like you said, I too have heard of those kinds of cases but they don't follow the standard [controlled] psychic activation routines. I have always assumed that it was people who can use their abilities without conscious control.

Like in paranormal cases where someone can effect irregular psychic phenomena...that triggers regularly [at random] without clear conscious intent, but at the same time produces legitimate psychic phenomena. "Technically" you don't need "psychic control" to trigger psychic phenomena, "Technically". You just need the psychic structures to "induce something" regardless of whether it is consciously controlled or not.

The ET's used to refer to the practice as something akin to people who figure out how to make their "psychic leg" experience a reflex by using a trigger that doesn't follow from a form of conscious level of psychic control. Which in a way, I have actually noticed most (extremely) low end psychics don't seem to have a form of conscious control. They just figure out how to induce phenomena in themselves by using a trigger that is inconsistent.

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It also begs a very simple question:

If the average person can experience short, acute experiences of type 1 telepathic events. Then, this tells us that there must be another way to activate the structures besides the controlled [IFM/EFM control structure] techniques. Perhaps some other kind of method for communicating intent?

For example, when we dream, aren't we technically in a conversation with our [upper loop] structures while we sleep? Aren't we technically manipulating our own mental consciousness and our 5 senses perception to induce a form of dream state?

But...we only seem to be able to do that when we are unconscious, asleep or in an altered state.

So maybe that is why we can trigger certain type 1 telepathic phenomena when we fall to inattention and "think aloud"?

Fore
08-26-2014, 11:39 AM
About 4 or 5 days ago, I was thinking alot on this subject and trying to figure it out. During that night, I accidentally thought deeply about one Grey in particular and his signature while reviewing his lessons and information from memory. That triggered my psychic functions to activate and connect. Probably because my higher mind assumed I was attempting to establish something in the form of communication with that ET.

I stopped the process as it triggered but what I found interesting after such a long period of inactivity was the difference between non-psychic states of vs psychic states. While pacing my kitchen while thinking about two telepathic stories I read, I noticed that the first thing that happened was the nearly automatic sequence of psychic activation and the changes in state of awareness.

On activating, the upper control structure received an influence charge from the inside of my (IFM) inner field. (the blue one in the previous diagrams at the top of the head) It went into a higher readiness state. This then switched on the entire EFM-side of my field.

Rather than having this singular centralized feeling inside of my skull where my consciousness is...
The extremely familiar sensation of a sense of expansion became apparent. The ESP sensations of exterior objects and the room started to come back as did the familiar feelings of sensing things externally.

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Point being, I noticed for about an hour that it was easy to sense the consciousness of people and to focus in on that particular external region where they were located. As opposed to how I am normally these days. Where standard consciousness is like looking at everything as a disconnected image you see through you eyes.

Seeing, but not sensing anything externally.

It reminded me that being non-psychic (normal) is an extremely hollow sensation. It takes some getting used to.

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Anyway, I thought it was interesting how I noticed that my "mind" didn't feel as confined through these sensations of psychic activity for a brief moment. The format that it is in now in, is centralized without any external sensation. All the thought processes feels like they are focused at the center of the head.

Vs "that psychic feeling" where the additional ESP makes it feel like you are actually there in the room and you can sense everything in the nearby vicinity. When I have those contrasting experiences it makes me really wonder what I have been giving up.

It is like being normal is being "blind" and is a form of sensory deprivation. Every time these reminding contrasts occur, it really seems ridiculous that people can actually live like this.

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What was most striking, was the feeling of again sensing people and objects at various distances. The thought crossed my mind to reach out to you guys but I reminded myself that the UT held me to a pledge to keep from doing anything psychic. I keep reminding myself that despite everything, the outcomes to date have been positive and well worth it.

It was just a powerful (shocking) reminder of what the difference is between using everything vs just the lower loop of consciousness.

pontificator
08-29-2014, 12:49 PM
*taps chin* My left side tinnitus field produces a particular ring when an unseen individual is watching + thinking about me [trust me, it's taken a long time to confirm that one properly.] Recently this effect has reached the point where I can now identify the direction of the individual {which is not related to the sound specifically, it's simply an awareness of the direction.}

Again, I don't see any specific use for this ability in my context [well, other than making a spook easier to spot perhaps, but they are always of the same height/build and general demeanour anyway {I've met several retired ones, and had occasion to observe them in quite mundane contexts}.]

In other news I am going to be getting a cardio MRI in the coming next couple of months <don't worry, I'm fine, I'm just dealing with the fallout of a "hanging diagnosis" made by a rather paranoid doctor. Hopefully after this their 16 years of testing, and finding nothing, will lead them to the conclusion I'm fine... then I can get redundancy/accident insurance {no, I'm not kidding here... at least I already had medical.}>

Fore
08-29-2014, 04:49 PM
*taps chin* My left side tinnitus field produces a particular ring when an unseen individual is watching + thinking about me [trust me, it's taken a long time to confirm that one properly.] Recently this effect has reached the point where I can now identify the direction of the individual {which is not related to the sound specifically, it's simply an awareness of the direction.}

Again, I don't see any specific use for this ability in my context [well, other than making a spook easier to spot perhaps, but they are always of the same height/build and general demeanour anyway {I've met several retired ones, and had occasion to observe them in quite mundane contexts}.]

In other news I am going to be getting a cardio MRI in the coming next couple of months <don't worry, I'm fine, I'm just dealing with the fallout of a "hanging diagnosis" made by a rather paranoid doctor. Hopefully after this their 16 years of testing, and finding nothing, will lead them to the conclusion I'm fine... then I can get redundancy/accident insurance {no, I'm not kidding here... at least I already had medical.}>

I have had similar experiences.

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I think we should give up on type 1 telepathy. The likelihood of finding others with those experiences is rather slim from what I see. Simply switching to the easier type 2 version might be the path of least resistance.

By the way, had tinnitus at about 7 or 8 am this morning. It's been a while.

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On the heart issue, I assume yours is not related to psychic phenomena? I think I have an idea on what it might be when it is related to psychic phenomena. I think one of the EFM influence centers are responsible for the abnormal buildup of charges.

Specifically, there are two minor influence centers that are supposed to be trailing the human body when the EFM structure is actively in use. Basically, they are affixed to the position of the rest of the structures. It doesn't really matter how you move or how fast or where, it seems to be affixed externally.

First, let me layout why I think this so you get where the idea comes from.

Fore
08-29-2014, 05:41 PM
You probably already know that all IFM structures are internal. They are the types that stay affixed inside the body. Positionally they remain at the same "resting/inactive" position until they are manually manipulated or (more commonly) they are forcibly made to activate to a higher degree than the "rest/inactive state".

The external ones seem to be affixed externally only when they are actively in use. Specifically, the three main ones. The two that follow the body from the rear from either side of the shoulder blades and the top ~ring~ that controls the entire EFM system.

The two from the rear are mostly just acting like relays (from what I understand) whereas the top one is the one that does most of the actual work.

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I have been asking myself the question about where originally these externalized structures come from for a good long while. My best guess is that, if my former experiments are any indication, they are most likely pre-existing structures that originally reside in the human body in their default rest/inactive state.

I have done experiments on family members where I have tried to pull out the "ring" at the top of the head many years ago to see if I could find theirs. Well, I didn't actually find anything similar to mine. What I found was a very weak influence loop that resembled something like mine years ago. What I tentatively came to the conclusion was that these structures are pre-existing and immature in non-psychics.

Meaning at the time, the version I saw in them and pulled slightly out from the interior of the body, was immature. It was weak and very badly formed. It was more like a tiny electrical loop.

This was dissimilar to the one I had way back then which was (and still is) thick, stable and strongly noticeable. If you pass your hand through it you can tell it is there without much effort.

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Why would I pull it out of someone? What was the idea back then?

Well the reason was, because that is what the ET's used to do back then before experiments. They would pull it slightly up about 4 to 6 inches from the interior top of my skull, modify it's influence and then they would resequence that same influence to start up my influence field for experimentation.

What would occur was a activation of higher end psychic abilities.

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So I was curious to see if it was there in other people or if it was something the ET's made for the experimentation.

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The next point is what happens when these EFM structures don't receive an adequate and continuous supply of influence.

They start to go inactive, they start to retract into the body and they remain there until they are fully active again.

The problem with this (and I know you, Pontif [and others] ) have felt first hand just how painful it can be to go from a cold start into an active state. It can be very painful!

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I asked myself how can I be experiencing pain when I only use IFM techniques and not EFM techniques?

I think that the reason is because these EFM structures are underutilized and they have sunken in to the back of my chest. Into their default rest/inactive state. I think when I use my abilities infrequently, it doesn't activate it enough for it to go back into it's fully extended/active state.

Which means it doesn't exit the body and instead remains inside the confines of the chest receiving a partial influence charge. My idea is that this probably means this structure in particular is charged up like a capacitor. It doesn't discharge like it normally should. And this I think is what causes the pain and other problems.

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The only way I used to resolve this in the past was by forcibly discharging influence from the interior of the chest. I did this by either forcing a venting process of all of the excess influence or by temporarily ~locking~ various psychic structures to another inanimate surface and pulling the entire interconnect slightly out of alignment with my physical body. Which unfortunately causes a huge amount to leak out into the external room.


In the next few hours, I am going to try to force the psychic structure to the surface and let it discharge. Then see if the charge builds up again even when I don't have any (not even the slightest) psychic activity. I am unsure yet how I am going to pull that off.

I am working under the assumption that EFM structures are like capacitors. They'll retain a charge around them and this in turn affects physical anatomy. As a result I assume that is why I am getting all the physiological body symptoms. They seem to be more like telekinetic side effects from dense influence than they seem to be from regular body problems.

Discharging would provide relief but not a real cure. The only solution (if it is so) is to figure out a way to control the EFM structures that are not in use.

lycaeus
09-01-2014, 08:32 PM
I have a somewhat random question for Fore if you guys don't mind. And I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before and I missed it, or read it and forgot it.

But I was reading this old document many of you researchers probably looked at a long time ago by the Nexus Seven ( Top Secret / Demon ) : http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_nexus7_05.htm

In particular, these paragraphs I want to quote:

If we cannot make genuine contact with our own Earthly Gaia-sphere, make real interspecies communication contact with our own intelligent animals living on the Earth, if we can’t even manage to get connected to the pulse of the living planet, then why would any self respecting ET alien want to make overt contact with us?

Until we’ve proven we can participate in the creative living natural Holos of our own world, i.e. (“conditioned to be telepathic transceivers”) why would we be candidates to get above-board contact from advanced ET’s? Any aliens would want to get in, do their stuff, and get the hell out and go home as quickly as possible since we might be dangerous, with our wildly uncontrolled and negative energy conditioned bodies.

The only visiting ET’s are either immune to emotions (bred out), or use protection devices, since our energy can stink to high heaven.

As for aliens who really like the human auric vibes, watch out!

Check if ET is wearing an auric protection device around their belt, otherwise they are clones or androids or maybe bad ET’s who feed on negative emotion like slurpies. The auric protection devices dampens the volatile emissions from humans reaching ET, thereby protecting ET from getting shocked by unruly human emotional energies. This also hints we have means to fight them.


repeated for emphasis:
This also hints we have means to fight them.

Can we really fight off negative ETs just by amping up our emotional vibrations? Is that partly why ETs who have emotions, mostly visit and contact in an out-of-body / astral form rather than flesh and blood?

I know Fore described the Advisor as wearing a belt with a device to help her phase in and out. I wonder if that device also serves the purpose of disconnecting her or other ETs from directly connecting with the supposedly harsh/caustic emotional energy fields (or influence?) of humans.

I'm a little offended as a human, but it could be possible I think and might explain why some people are successful in warding off demons and ETs by having a strong, positive emotional vibration.

This would also explain why milabs, alien abductions, and so much of the control system of the reality we live in is designed to keep us in a dark space emotionally. Like, it's okay to be aware of conspiracies, so long as you're depressed or angry or scared. But start containing that awareness with a balanced emotional vibe / disposition, a rational mind and take proactive steps to do something about it... well then, that's a big no-no right? Because 'they' have to keep us scared. It gives them more energy and opportunity to interfere in your life and manifest their reality they want.. Just some thoughts.

Fore
09-01-2014, 11:34 PM
I have a somewhat random question for Fore if you guys don't mind. And I'm sorry if this has already been discussed before and I missed it, or read it and forgot it.

But I was reading this old document many of you researchers probably looked at a long time ago by the Nexus Seven ( Top Secret / Demon ) : http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_nexus7_05.htm First, let me point out that I am unfamiliar with the text you cited, so I have no real clue beyond what is quoted about them. Just want to make sure that point remains in the back of everyones head as a reminder.

On to the text:


In particular, these paragraphs I want to quote:


repeated for emphasis:


If we cannot make genuine contact with our own Earthly Gaia-sphere, make real interspecies communication contact with our own intelligent animals living on the Earth, if we can’t even manage to get connected to the pulse of the living planet, then why would any self respecting ET alien want to make overt contact with us?

First I have to point the differences in our thinking and rationalization. I assume that the Earth (Gaia-Sphere as he/she calls it) is an inanimate object. At best a platform for life.

I don't subscribe to the idea that some have that the Earth is a living entity with a consciousness. To date, I haven't found any evidence of a consciousness pattern in material objects. They do posses influence, but not the dynamic type that flows in and out of living things. Therefore I see the Earth as a platform, an ecosystem, that life lives on.

The Earth does appear to have an ecosystem on the influence level. It does appear to self-regulate the influence environment on (what I assume) is the basis of geometry and other things I don't actually understand yet. A good part of the regulation itself seems to be around what is living in the Earths environment.

So in case I am not being clear on this, I am treating the Earth as an inanimate object that living things (plants, animals, etc) live on. The interplay in the energies present (on an influence level) seems to be regulated based on the way the environment is structured as well as the interplay between living things in that environment.

I treat it more or less like an invisible weather pattern. I don't see any signs that the Earth is "conscious" or has some kind of spirit in the sense that was referenced by the "Nexus 7".

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The topic of contact with living animals. That I don't see the purpose of it. I mean, yes, animals have rudimentary consciousness. Seemingly sufficient for them, but not exactly like you can have a conversation with them. Some creatures internal designs are very different to that of a human being and their rhythms of consciousness aren't compatible with ours in a communicative sense.

This "Nexus 7" person seems to assume alot. Either they have an experience which is more about themselves than what they see, or there is something I am blind to, as I don't see it.

Can you get along with animals and communicate [or just observe] basic signals that aren't structured as higher functioning cognition? Sure.
I guess it would help if you took into account the state of an animals mind when you cross paths. If it is agitated, simply go the other way. etc.

Higher end communication than that doesn't really seem to be present in the animal world.

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As for the last part, the idea of ET life communicating with us. That "view" (from the ET perspective) changes from individual to individual. Some don't see us as more than a walking talking doorknob.

We are to them, what animals are to us.

Even if they pretend otherwise. The majority I have met (I could be wrong) see semblances of their own consciousness in a human form. Slight resemblances to their own advanced functioning consciousness. While some of them mate with us for their experiments or other reasons, it is something more like beastiality than something resembling an eye-to-eye relationships.

If you don't think so, imagine making yourself xx times smarter and with xx times more profound thoughtforms and then imagine hitching it up with someone you are looking at right after you read this. If beastiality doesn't come to mind...would you date something that is lower on the intelligence scale than you? Probably not.

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We do that sort of thing with each other as fellow human beings because we are all on roughly the same level. PHD or not.

Roughly the same with communication, the average ET seems to talk to us in the same way you talk with an animal. Appear non-threatening, approach with care, communicate, tap on the head, back into the wild.

Sure some are more sociable than others. Some actually try to share their real feelings (not always their with real thoughts). But the differences are always there and they are typically mindful about it.


Until we’ve proven we can participate in the creative living natural Holos of our own world, i.e. (“conditioned to be telepathic transceivers”) why would we be candidates to get above-board contact from advanced ET’s? Any aliens would want to get in, do their stuff, and get the hell out and go home as quickly as possible since we might be dangerous, with our wildly uncontrolled and negative energy conditioned bodies.

The only visiting ET’s are either immune to emotions (bred out), or use protection devices, since our energy can stink to high heaven.

As for aliens who really like the human auric vibes, watch out! That is surprising. Sounds like this person has met ET's before. It is really rare for anyone to mention that topic of influence/energies protection.

They appear to be better informed on the topic than I am.


Check if ET is wearing an auric protection device around their belt, otherwise they are clones or androids or maybe bad ET’s who feed on negative emotion like slurpees. The auric protection devices dampens the volatile emissions from humans reaching ET, thereby protecting ET from getting shocked by unruly human emotional energies. This also hints we have means to fight them.Yeah, that is another thing. People wouldn't realize it off the bat until they have spent some time in the immediate proximity to an ET. But....

Internally, some ET's require focus and a "steady" internal experience. Sometimes those "vibes" we give off can throw off all that "steadiness" . Not so much the energies (although keep in mind, the influence that is healthy for a human body is not healthy for a Grey or a Nordic etc). The internals of an ET's thought process can be disturbed if you think like a human being and it "gets inside" them.

Usually an ET's internal correction is swift and they have mental measures to protect against alot of backflow of foreign...."stuff".

If you haven't guessed it folks, the internal focus is more required in their living environment than it is in ours. It is rare that any of that is an issue as most ET's are trained to isolate that kind of stuff before it affects them internally.

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This Nexus 7 person though seems to be mixing two topics in the same vein.

The protections against stray mental/emotional elements affecting the inner landscape of an ET.
Then there is the protections against influence (energies) from foreign incompatible species from being absorbed and affecting the physiology of their body.


<Continued>

pontificator
09-03-2014, 11:59 AM
*scratches head* okay... Mormons cause me to get a minor ringing in the right ear before meeting them... (purely random incident, I hardly ever see Mormons, let alone have a discussion with them.)
I've been noticing a lot more odd effects, regarding sensitivity to who is or is not paying attention to me, since I ran a small experiment the night before last with flooding a wall with influence from the back of my head. This was a test to see how much feedback I could get from the materials concerned. It is very much a work in progress, however I've found it has put me in a rather elevated state compared to normal [I'll be running a few more tests to see what is being activated there.]

Fore
09-04-2014, 11:00 AM
@ ly

The rest of your answer is currently stuck in "draft mode". I noticed I had to point out something which I don't think is a convenient or good idea (for me). Interestingly enough it would help Montalk and Pontif at the same time in understanding a few (non-obvious) elements that acts as a part of telepathy (or pretty much most psychic functions). That is why I have held off finishing it up.

I suspect bad luck would come to my door step. I have tried rephrasing things a few times to see if making things more obscure would convince me that I won't get nailed.

I want to say so, but very carefully. Some of it I know has always been considered "sensitive" considering the ET always pointed it out to be censored. At least most of it out when I asked in the past about writing it was pointed out. It is not necessarily what you'll actually read that is "the gotcha", but what it would lead you to think about and hypothesis as a consequence, if known.

I think I prefer to keep the peace. I can give you a shallow answer, but it wouldn't be as useful or as informative. My peace of mind (and protecting my self interest) is now pretty important to me.

Fore
09-04-2014, 11:07 AM
Can we really fight off negative ETs just by amping up our emotional vibrations? The answer depends on the conditions under which you are in the moment when you try it.

The simple answer is NO if you attack the problem without thinking about it. The answer can be YES, IF, you are under the right conditions and attack the right things which are a weakness in the psychic schema (that applies to a wide swath of ET, but not all, as different types use different primary psychic methods).

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The idea that you can "fight off" negative ET's by emotions is mostly wrong. Why? (Corporeally present or OOBE)

Point 1: They already have mechanisms in place to prevent those emotions from affecting them. They have plenty of psychic discipline that they wouldn't actually be affected. What you'd need to consider is what mechanism you intend to "repel" them by.

<Censoring started here>

lycaeus
09-04-2014, 03:24 PM
Okay Fore you don't have to say anything that might make things uncomfortable for you. You've been rattling cages for years and already given out a ton of good information many of us are grateful for.

Fore
09-05-2014, 04:58 AM
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I am still editing....but have been having trouble all day getting to this forum. Seems there was some mayhem in the VPS cluster where it is hosted.

lycaeus
09-05-2014, 05:13 AM
I had some error messages regarding the server today as well trying to access this site. Which makes me wonder, if there is manipulation to the website by the hands of information-conscious aliens or hybrids or black-ops-humans, then why not just crash the whole site if they're so powerful? I guess they're (if manipulation indeed is occurring) trying to keep up the sense of normality. Like, yeah, you guys have your forum, we didn't crash it, everyone has free speech and all, etc... everything is normal. You just get those "random" internet glitches like you normally get once in a while. Nothing out of the ordinary... (sarcasm)...just discouraging a couple potentially pivotal thoughts here and there, no coincidence...

Fore
09-05-2014, 06:20 AM
I had some error messages regarding the server today as well trying to access this site. Which makes me wonder, if there is manipulation to the website by the hands of information-conscious aliens or hybrids or black-ops-humans, then why not just crash the whole site if they're so powerful? I guess they're (if manipulation indeed is occurring) trying to keep up the sense of normality. Like, yeah, you guys have your forum, we didn't crash it, everyone has free speech and all, etc... everything is normal. You just get those "random" internet glitches like you normally get once in a while. Nothing out of the ordinary... (sarcasm)...just discouraging a couple potentially pivotal thoughts here and there, no coincidence...I often point out the coincidences. I think to be taken a bit more seriously you'd just have to pretend it is "normal" and not expected or just a "bug" with great timing and then let people figure it out.

I sometimes laugh internally and wonder if whoever or whatever does it can't be a bit more subtle or something. Then, I think about whether the admins will think I somehow did it to the server.

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Then again, I don't know if it is always ET's who are the ones who are actually doing something. There was almost no activity on my end to indicate it this time.

The last infamous time the ET's told me something like that, I was told it would happen in advance and they blamed a human group before it happened. (Almost a month before the Datacenter explosion at ThePlanet in Houston.

According to what they used to accuse me of my writings are "known" for the specific content. (in a bad way)

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In the end, no, you can't prove it was anything but "a bug" with "great timing" that somehow works out just right. (I think I have exceeded a coincidence limit for this lifetime though...I am kidding)

I only [for sure] know that more than one ET reads (or ends up getting informed eventually) of this stuff I write. So you can basically mess with them because I assume this is (or once was) a hotspot that different types pay attention to.

The big question I guess is, if you were watching, what would you do?
If they really wanted to take something down they would do so _permanently_.
So why don't they?

AND second

If you can get lower ranked ET to get a summary of what you write about to some ET supervisor, what would you end up writing about?

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It is sort of like writing a contagious fire in the middle of nowhere forest. What can you write to make an inferno that gets put on someones desk? (eventually)

I know people assume that you can't write/communicate anything that would get put in front of some ET Supervisors desk and get a reaction. The issue isn't what you really write about. It is how you affect others (in a good way). ET's don't care if we mumble incoherencies and theories day in and day out at each other. What they care about is when that incoherent situation becomes coherent and fixes itself.

That is where ET turn to take a closer look at it and investigate whats wrong with that situation.

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Garuda
09-06-2014, 09:40 AM
We were not the only ones to suffer 'backbone issues': facebook, tumblr, paypal, linkedIn and others all had connectivity errors.

Here's an article on the likely culprit: outdated hardware (routers) that can't handle the current conditions any more:

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/outages-on-facebook-linkedin-paypal-and-other-sites-might-point-to-bgp-failures/

Fore
09-09-2014, 06:43 AM
We were not the only ones to suffer 'backbone issues': facebook, tumblr, paypal, linkedIn and others all had connectivity errors.

Here's an article on the likely culprit: outdated hardware (routers) that can't handle the current conditions any more:

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/outages-on-facebook-linkedin-paypal-and-other-sites-might-point-to-bgp-failures/Thank technology for some massive replication of virtual servers in a few minutes-to-hours.


On a side note: There was some coincidental and [rather sudden] loss of income on my end. But don't worry, I will exchange it for the value it was worth in coincidental releases of information.

Fore
09-09-2014, 07:06 AM
@ Ly

For them to establish a psychic connection (regardless of physical presence or not), the ET needs to establish some very basic procedures that need to be completed to their conclusion.

Your focus should be to disrupt that ability to finalize the very basic procedures.

======================Read between red lines at your own risk====================

When you undergo your attempt to "repel the ET with your emotions", you'd have to rely on them being extremely vulnerable if you "assume" you can affect their mind or their capacity to concentrate. Instead of relying on that (unlikely) possibility. Try instead to target the underlying required mechanism by which they can focus their abilities on your specific body and mind.

An ET Targeting your specific body and mind (even up close within arms distance) requires a specific amount of information and concentration from the ET. This requires [1:a perception] "of you" that they use to keep themselves [2:synchronized with the changes] happening in your field. There is [3:a lagtime] between [4:perceiving], [5:identifying], [6:processing it across the psychic loop [including translation tables] bridge between the organic and inorganic, and the actual event taking place.


All you really need to consider, is that within an ET there is a lagtime that is anywhere from a quarter of a second to about a tenth of second. In a human psychic it varies wildly. From a couple of seconds if they are the mildly-trained type, to as long as a couple of hours of lag time if they aren't trained.

Fore
09-09-2014, 07:46 AM
(Most of this segment was disclosed to Pontif in private a few days ago to see what the reactions would be)

The lag time between updates in the mind of an ET is the important factor when manipulating something or someone with very fine psychic control.

If an ET focuses on the broadest [unchanging] details of your influence field, they can control [lets say] 10% of its overall properties.
A greater portion [90%] of the minute influence field details remain relatively unchanged. This is sufficient if they are performing general psychic functions on someone that doesn't require exacting details or transformations of an influence fields specific properties.

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If an ET focuses on the minute details of your field, they can control a significant portion of how the minute details operate. That means 90% of your fields properties can be manipulated to transform it's specific qualities and features or operation. Keep in mind, realistically speaking, it usually is less than 90%.

This requires a shorter lagtime and a higher concentration and focus. The task can be mildly taxing to an ET. Controlling that much a of a foreign persons influence field is useful for putting artificial imagery and manipulating consciousness to a high or complex degree.

Useful for making false detailed artificial illusions [sight/sound/dreams.imagery] with concurrent psychic effects.

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A good portion of the ET's I encountered are reductionist as psychics.
They favor simplifying what they are focusing on. Only focusing on the details when necessary.

That usually means they will generally focus on lower resolution ESP until they have a necessity to employ a higher detail type of ESP.

For those that don't know what the difference is:

If you were standing in front of them between the two modes, the primary thing you would notice is the difference in perceived intensity of the psychic effects. The lower resolution mode usually makes you feel as if you are ~generally connected~ and the psychic effects are generalised. Present but not always obtrusive (in most modes). While the higher resolution version is usually extremely acute where the foreign entity is the pervasive controlling presence across your body and mind.

Another thing you would notice is that (in some modes) are the merging of two separate consciousness.

There are "styles" of these modes that can prevent you from noticing most of the higher functioning features of the ETs mind. But despite that they'd see pretty much everything occurring inside you. Even the smaller undulations that occur naturally at the border between conscious perception and subconscious.

Like a mental x-ray or having someone overcome you is what most people usually tend to say.

Rather than generally weak tides of psychic influence that is produced by the lower resolution manipulation; the higher resolution ESP tends to be used for gaining strict control. Sometimes for exchanging detailed information between ET and a Human being. Sometimes for dream simulations or ~bypassing the front door~ of the individual and planting data for future necessity.

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Without going into too much.

If you were to describe a mountain as an artist, your lower resolution ESP is like an amateurs drawing of what is seen in the distance. It is generally correct and sufficient and largely unchanging in it's most basic features.

Higher resolution ESP is like a talented artist perceiving all the tiny details of the mountains face. Every nook and crany. Every tiny shake of every leaf on the mountain sides.

With the lower resolution ESP you could pull off long distance telepathy by describing the target in a "just specific enough" format.

With the higher resolution ESP you could manipulate the tiny thoughtforms and visual sight with extremely exacting insight.

[The problem:]The higher resolution version requires more attention, more focus and a smaller lag time. The minute details change rapidly and so the ESP employed needs to pick up these changes in near real time for the synchronized control to be coherent and steady.

Two bodies, synchronized as one, with one entity having less control.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/minute (In case anyone wonders how I am using this word)

Fore
09-10-2014, 06:45 AM
With the lower resolution ESP you could pull off long distance telepathy by describing the target in a "just specific enough" format.

With the higher resolution ESP you could manipulate the tiny thoughtforms and visual sight with extremely exacting insight.

[The problem:]The higher resolution version requires more attention, more focus and a smaller lag time. The minute details change rapidly and so the ESP employed needs to pick up these changes in near real time for the synchronized control to be coherent and steady.

Two bodies, synchronized as one, with one entity having less control.


Why does any of that matter when all one wants to do is simply disrupt the ~psychic acquisition~ of a corporeally present or OOBE present ET?

First, keep in mind what you do and why you do it. You want to focus in on and disrupt the ability of an ET to keep track of where you are. You'll need to understand how at least one method works. (There are many)

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There is one "trick" during up close and personal visits that the ET use. They create "a disruptive zone" between themselves and a psychic they are visiting (in this case me). The trick works on a simple and very basic principle that prevents the (usually less capable) psychic from effectively resolving the majority of their properties via ESP observation.

The disruptive zone they create is a field of influence that is constantly shifting properties and values, like a dynamic static. It works by creating randomized influence "static" that changes it's properties at a rapid rate. Faster than a human psychic can resolve what it is at any given moment due to the higher lagtime.

It's simple and effective. You can't focus in on their field (at least not with basic methods) and therefore you can't perform any psychic effects on their body or mind. Nor read a large percentage of what is behind the curtain of influence static. Effectively shielding their mind from remote perception. Even at very close distances.

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Why?

There is a basic idea in ET lessons that ESP is not like a sensory organ. It is not like light on a cornea (your eyesight) nor is it like a vibration on your eardrum.

It is (for simplicities sake) just influence with encoded data on it. Thats pretty much it. It is not a spatial dimension or anything like that. ESP is an artifact of your higher mind sifting through a different types of cognition that does not parallel the human cognition. It is very different.

When you sit down and focus on another living person via ESP, it doesn't matter if that person is an inch away or several thousand miles away. The effect is pretty much the same. (not exactly true, but close enough ~ )

ESP is perceived at a higher [immaterial] level that we can't sense directly. (At least not organically)

The original ESP data is initially converted [with invisible processes the ET call "Translation Tables"] that turn that immaterial data into organic processes.
When that data is then processed inside the organic domain, it then becomes part of our normal cognition as a sensation. That sensation is "ESP".

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Knowing that much, you'd have to understand that an ET who relies on sensing someone via ESP, the ET also follow some very basic process limitations inherent to that system. When someone places a disruptive element that causes the ET to lose the monitoring via ESP, usually all psychic processes relying on that targeting information cease to function at the same time. (though there are various exceptions to that rule)

So something as simple as producing influence static around the targeted entity makes the target unreadable and not acquirable. The pattern changes (if rapid enough) ensures that the influence static induced on the shielded victim makes the ESP tracking and all other associated effects fail.

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Though creating the static requires actual psychic activity and actual fine control.

The way that people seem to normally generate a randomized pattern inside their influence field is by experiencing a very strong incoherent experience. Something like a very intense emotion that produces influence noise naturally.

Supposedly ET's have trouble controlling (or remaining in sync with) victims when they let loose with intense panic. I was told that the noise was intense and somehow that disrupts the psychic functions. I suppose the same is true of someone experiencing uncontrollable rage after having been abducted.

I do not know or think that certain emotions such as sadness or conditions such as regular pain disrupt the signal too much. I believe certain emotions when they become intense enough and in the right way seem to generate more noise inside the influence field of someone. Making it difficult for ET's to maintain a synchronized state with their victim.

The patterns change too rapidly and the control slips. The ESP pattern in their mind doesn't update fast enough with the real world event. The entire psychic process falls apart as the influence field they are observing and manipulating quickly becomes a different one from moment to moment.

Any questions?

montalk
09-10-2014, 10:19 AM
I do not know or think that certain emotions such as sadness or conditions such as regular pain disrupt the signal too much. I believe certain emotions when they become intense enough and in the right way seem to generate more noise inside the influence field of someone. Making it difficult for ET's to maintain a synchronized state with their victim.

The patterns change too rapidly and the control slips. The ESP pattern in their mind doesn't update fast enough with the real world event. The entire psychic process falls apart as the influence field they are observing and manipulating quickly becomes a different one from moment to moment.

Any questions?

When these beings sync with someone's influence patterns, to what degree are they themselves getting 'entangled' with the target? Like can they just impassively 'read' and 'manipulate' or does the syncing cause a bleed over of the target's thoughts, feelings, etc. into them?

And do they have personal limitations as to what patterns they can sync with? I mean not the rapidity of the pattern changes, but a particular pattern itself.

Fore
09-11-2014, 04:09 AM
When these beings sync with someone's influence patterns, to what degree are they themselves getting 'entangled' with the target? There isn't an easy one-size-fits-all-answer.

Different ET types seem to use prefer different styles of doing things.

They Greys I knew usually isolate segments of their field so that the person they are affecting don't have any real access to the cognition of the ET.

Answering your question in a one line response wouldn't do it any justice.

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Let me put it in a different way using an analogy so you'll get the complicated parts easily.

Lets say that a Grey has connected to your field using high resolution ESP. This is like him grabbing a proverbial fiber optic cable from his sentience and hooking into your system. (Keep in mind this is an analogy you can understand without being told tons of various things that would take some time to type.)

He can "sense" pretty much sense everything going on inside your system of consciousness thanks to that "connection".

Now there is a complicated and definitely !forbidden! ranges of topic(s).

The next post will dabble inside that information.


Like can they just impassively 'read' and 'manipulate' or does the syncing cause a bleed over of the target's thoughts, feelings, etc. into them? Next post. I answer it. I will have to post in short bursts.

Fore
09-11-2014, 04:31 AM
In the last post, I mentioned that we'd be using an analogy of an ET connecting to your consciousness "as if" it were a system of consciousness.

[Already noticing someones looking in]

Lets suppose that you are the targeted victim and I am the ET. When I connect to you via this "invisible connection", our two systems are incompatible.

What I can do, is gain an ingress into your system.

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There is a system that is divided into separate and sometimes conjoined components inside you.

One stream of influence data manipulates your organic features. You yourself use it everytime you blink, move, or process external information.
There is another conjoined system that overlaps that one, that focuses mainly on establishing an interpretation of thinking processes and turns [specific] organic reactions into an interpretation of emotions.

These two (simplified) conjoined streams together make a lower consciousness. All this data is transported [immaterially] via a connection to the higher components. Your interconnect.

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When I enter into your system, (as the proverbial ET) the different streams of data become noticeable. I can take the conjoined / composite consciousness data and translate it through my own system. Either Higher in the loop of consciousness or lower in the loop of consciousness. (higher is usually what ET's choose) <-- important point

The higher in the loop that a foreign cognitive data is processed; the less chances there will be of it affects the organic domain of an ET directly. But this doesn't account for all of the reason.

--Various methods of Isolation of cognitive data so that it is selectively processed higher in the loop and reintroduced in the organic domain as intelligible translations. With the substitution or subtraction of equivalent emotional and physical responses traversing down into the lower loop. (A filter)

--Various tricks of controlling internal organic structures and their responses when an ET has a compatible emotional system.

--Various kinds of isolation or incapacitation of the foreign entity and it's ingress own into your [general] system.

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All these different kinds of implementations control how the synchronized bridge is used between ET and a Human being.

lycaeus
09-12-2014, 04:40 PM
So something as simple as producing influence static around the targeted entity makes the target unreadable and not acquirable. The pattern changes (if rapid enough) ensures that the influence static induced on the shielded victim makes the ESP tracking and all other associated effects fail.


Thanks for the very detailed response, you've definitely answered my question. I thought this is the most interesting thing. And I believe this was talked about in the past on this forum, about how righteous anger 'for some reason' has a debilitating effect on the psychic control of an ET over a victim; it's a good defense.

At first I had the idea that fighting aliens with our emotions is a little too simple and immature of a concept.

So to screw up their psychic attacks and manipulation, we need to produce an influence field around us that is a disruptive static, with shifting properties and values; dynamic.

So there's not much most of us can do to damage them, but there are practical ways to mount a good defense.

So panic and rage, and other intense emotions and incoherent experiences seem to create this disruptive field, although sadness and regular pain doesn't do much. I wonder if the vibes of heavy metal would make a good disruptive static of influence? So when I feel a scan coming over me, maybe it's better to play metal than to meditate calmly on puppies and ice cream.

And I wonder if making a disruptive influence field around us would screw up any psychotronic technologies that are used to target people as well?

Fore
09-13-2014, 03:00 AM
Thanks for the very detailed response, you've definitely answered my question. I thought this is the most interesting thing. And I believe this was talked about in the past on this forum, about how righteous anger 'for some reason' has a debilitating effect on the psychic control of an ET over a victim; it's a good defense. I do not know if it is a good defense. I only know it is a disruptive event that can be used (short term) as a defense.

ET's (with rare exceptions) I met don't teach you how to defend yourself from them.

Part of this discovery was made due to a UT who told/showed me how to temporarily disrupt an ET's intrusion. But they intentionally refused to explain how or why it worked. Only placing limitations on the number of times [3] the trick was used per 24 hour period. (for safety reasons allegedly)

Over the last three odd years I have thought it over and over and figured out how old stuff I once saw the ET doing, lessons, and different experiences related and connected to one another. Leading me to figure it out (somewhat on my own, partial credit to the Advisor) how the parts work together.

ET's have limitations, they just don't let anyone know they do. Even they can't fight against basic principles.


At first I had the idea that fighting aliens with our emotions is a little too simple and immature of a concept. Yes.


So to screw up their psychic attacks and manipulation, we need to produce an influence field around us that is a disruptive static, with shifting properties and values; dynamic. That is only one way.

There is another way which is probably harder/easier depending on your background. You touched on it, but I don't think you'd realize it if left unsaid. The tactic I described just now has it's underpinnings on exploiting a small series of weakness and realities that some ET face for simplifying psychic performances.

There is a catch to everything. I'll explain it in the next post.


So there's not much most of us can do to damage them, but there are practical ways to mount a good defense. I'll leave it to you to decide. I only want you to do me one favor. Tell others about what you learn. I want to make sure I pay them in full for the trouble caused.

If you don't transcribe it, then just a word or mouth is enough as long as it is a faithful reproduction.

I do not doubt in the slightest that if put to the test, the basic principles will work out in people who are still being abducted or abused. I am very sure if applied correctly the ET will let the victims know first hand. Then they will likely tell you themselves.

Fore
09-13-2014, 03:19 AM
So panic and rage, and other intense emotions and incoherent experiences seem to create this disruptive field, although sadness and regular pain doesn't do much. I wonder if the vibes of heavy metal would make a good disruptive static of influence? So when I feel a scan coming over me, maybe it's better to play metal than to meditate calmly on puppies and ice cream. I do not know if people experience that intense emotions while hearing music. (?)

All I do know is that the emotional state of a person affects synchronization between two fields. 9 out of 10 times you'll probably never see the ET coming and if you do you'll be unconscious in short order afterwards for the sake of a given procedure.

At the first moment that you notice the synchronization taking place, (usually when they are still out of the field of view), that is when you should start immediately. Most people I have conversed with noticed the same as me, that the onset of recognizing they are nearby is the first sign that synchronization of a field has taken place. Otherwise you wouldn't [psychically] notice it the foreign presence nearby.

I have to say that the window of opportunity is pretty short. Seconds at best. That is all assuming that you are in a wakeful state as they get there and start the encounter. If you aren't, they will hijack your influence field and you'll pretty much not know until after the routine is done.


And I wonder if making a disruptive influence field around us would screw up any psychotronic technologies that are used to target people as well?Sorry, I do not know.

What I can tell you is that any experienced psychic can get around the curtain of static if given some effort and a few advanced skills running concurrently.

If you merge the dynamic static field [Dangerous] into your IFM (internal field) it will taint the rest of your field with noise. Over time your field should repair it's own properties. But it would make it much harder for an ET to bypass the noise as it is no longer "just" an isolated static influence field blanketing another. That is the method the UT taught me.

Basically it is all about creating the dynamic static and then introducing it into the internal field surrounding the head. The noise throws off the ET's remote psychic connection. You'll notice the ET disconnect within a few seconds. After a while they may retry though. In the meantime they will find it hard to connect to someones who's field is in disarray. You won't feel much except that your structures start acting up and influence starts building up.

Experiencing intense emotions is only one way of inducing the static. You can induce the [artificial] static without experiencing any given emotion if you are a skilled enough psychic.

Keep in mind though, it creates disruption in your own field, you should only use it a maximum of 3 times per 24 hours.

Fore
09-13-2014, 04:07 AM
Thanks for the very detailed response, you've definitely answered my question. I thought this is the most interesting thing. And I believe this was talked about in the past on this forum, about how righteous anger 'for some reason' has a debilitating effect on the psychic control of an ET over a victim; it's a good defense.

At first I had the idea that fighting aliens with our emotions is a little too simple and immature of a concept.

So to screw up their psychic attacks and manipulation, we need to produce an influence field around us that is a disruptive static, with shifting properties and values; dynamic.

So there's not much most of us can do to damage them, but there are practical ways to mount a good defense.

There is something worth mentioning.

The topic up to this point has been about disruptive processes to an ET's form of psychic control and acquisition of a target.

One of the techniques has been described but relies on the principle of depolarizing a persons field, just enough, that it make it "complicated" to maintain a synchronized state with that persons influence field. I use the word depolarize because basically it is like having 100 channels on a TV that continuously loop almost the same signal in never ending loop (also referred to as your field "cycling").

If the 95 of the 100 channels are continuously looping ~almost~ the same content with only 5 channels having slightly significant changes as time goes on. Then this is like 5 channels dedicated to thought processes and 95 dedicate to repetitive rhythms of other processes inside your body and mind.

For an ET to describe 100 channels in this state of rhythmic "cycling" is very easy. But if you introduce 100 channels with different types of static in each channel, the content is much harder to describe. Each time you describe it in one moment, the next moment it is sufficiently different that the descriptor does not work anymore.

Greater effort is required to describe it. To become synchronized with the noise requires more intense effort and shorter response times.

Once the ET has successfully described it though, they can make the content on those proverbial 100 channels change to their liking. As it is now a part of them, the foreign entities field becomes submissive to their control. They can introduce changes as the foreign entity is now in a submissive state.

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But....

You can also induce the opposite state. Extremely polarized fields to prevent effective changes.

"Righteous anger" seems to have the opposite effect. Rather than noise, it makes the foreign persons field [the human being] extremely polarized. Unyielding and unchanged. Like someone forcibly controlling the reigns of a horse with exaggerated control.

Like I mentioned in my first response to LY, there are other factors that determine who has control over which field. People who are extremely determined tend to inadvertently put their own field under tight reigns. Especially if they have an intense experience trying to wry control out of an ET's hands.

There are things like second and third level control. Second being EFM control (which is what most ET I met, actually have, but which human being don't). Third being a type of spiritual level control which I don't really understand.

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When an ET encounters a human being (regular normal human being) the insides of the human beings generated field are extremely weak. Easy to overcome. The Human being is running on [ an Analogy only! ] 1 volt while the ET is running on 100 or 1000 volts. Overcoming the weaker signal is extremely easy.

With EFM structures (External field) the magnitude of changes on a human field is extremely sharp and pronounced. Literally, they can knock someone into a state of unconsciousness simply by being close by and manipulating the cycling patterns inside a human field. So strong in fact, that they mentally keep in mind what is a "safe threshold" to prevent damaging the physical organic composition of a human being when making the changes.

Lets go back to the previous analogy of the TV with 100 channels representing the functional state of a human beings field.
When a person who is remotely [psychically] paralyzed by an ET is trying to make their body move while still awake, their internal field is generating signals across [lets say] 3 specific channels for [spiritual-to-field] body control. These signals are extremely weak.

The ET who is in control of the foreign (human) field is sending counter signals that keep the body in a disruptive state. The signals the human being intentions on their own body (through their field) never reaches it's destination. It is drowned out by the magnitude and intensity of the ET's contrary signal.

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If that person were to experience a wide array of emotions this would not change. But if they experience a certain range of focusing emotions, that inadvertently focuses several layers of the persons immaterial consciousness....the signal intensity jumps.

The ET and affected Human being begin to compete to remain in control of the field inside the human body. If the focusing emotional state ('righteous anger') properly facilitates the process of focusing the immaterial control a person has (higher up the consciousness loop), the person's control increases and the ET's decreases.

It's a competition until one of the controlling competitors gets an upper hand and wry's the control out of the ET. If the human being wins, then they momentarily move, if the ET wins, the person will likely have their field modified to induce an immediate unconscious state to prevent further resistance.

So emotions are like an invisible influence field modifier. They generate signals that can either depolarize a field or polarize [and exaggerate] control over a field.

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I have seen some people get extremely angry and they inadvertently generate a coherent field [almost like a true psychic controls their field] that makes it manifest across their field around them.

Fore
09-13-2014, 04:09 AM
@ Montalk

Your third part reply is still in the pipe. Almost done but just trimming the post down somewhat.

lycaeus
09-13-2014, 03:49 PM
I knew it couldn't be that easy to block ETs from messing with you. They've been doing it for a long time and most people are none the wiser. But some of us have personal proof that ETs can suddenly appear beside you, paralyze you, knock you unconscious, tweak your mind, put fantasies and all kinds of brainwashing into you. So long as God and your higher spirit allow this to happen in your life. And still, you have so many people who think these ETs are here to usher us into enlightenment / ascension, and they are 'actually helping us' by abducting us, mind controlling us, brainwashing us and controlling people like puppets. You've even got people so brainwashed out there that they think abusive ETs are actually just 'reflections of ourselves' as they are like a universal mirror that metaphorically reflects our own state of beingness in order to teach us how to evolve. Then we can join the abusive space brother masters as happy, dependent pets.

I see people complain about other humans all the time for the smallest of things. If a human did the things some of these ETs do to people saying it's for their own good, they'd be jailed for life.

Fore
09-14-2014, 12:07 AM
I knew it couldn't be that easy to block ETs from messing with you. They've been doing it for a long time and most people are none the wiser. Well, it is that well greased a machine of conduct and protocols. They know what they do and how they do it.


But some of us have personal proof that ETs can suddenly appear beside you, paralyze you, knock you unconscious, tweak your mind, put fantasies and all kinds of brainwashing into you. I could probably find some stories on the net to pass that point across pretty sharply. I doubt it would be that hard.

But the ET who'd be watching, if the past is any indication, would not be too happy to make it that obvious. I am not looking to fight with them or anything, so I will just leave everyone to do their own search through actual people embroiled in [or going through] those situations.

If people really think what I say is somehow bunk. Find an experiencer who is willing to put life and limb on the line and let them test out what has been said. I am pretty sure the ET on the other end will not be amused. I am sure, if the person is left intact, they will report the details surrounding the attempt.

I'd suspect the more successful they are, the more harrowing the experience might be. It would not surprise me if the ET scans the mind of the testee in an attempt to figure out where the information came from.

Heck, some who were still having ongoing activity back on OMF used to tell me they had been "warned" not [and then prohibited] to read my blog. I wonder why.


So long as God and your higher spirit allow this to happen in your life. And still, you have so many people who think these ETs are here to usher us into enlightenment / ascension, and they are 'actually helping us' by abducting us, mind controlling us, brainwashing us and controlling people like puppets. You've even got people so brainwashed out there that they think abusive ETs are actually just 'reflections of ourselves' as they are like a universal mirror that metaphorically reflects our own state of beingness in order to teach us how to evolve. Then we can join the abusive space brother masters as happy, dependent pets. Yeah, I recall several. Though one in particular does come to mind with those parameters.

You've got to hand it to the ET, they do know how to scramble a mind. Whoever created that latter one really stretched the lie to the breaking point. (IMO) I am surprised that one was even considered a valid possibility. Then again, if you effectively break the human mind, it can and will believe just about anything.

I have also talked to a few [online], the rape victims of the ET. Not good. Worse is when they have been "handled" and massaged into the belief that the ET's are [somehow] actually doing this for a good reason through that manner. I don't tend to comment on it because it is more sad than anything else.

Some ET compromise the mind for all sorts of reasons. Both "good" and "bad" ET.

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I'd like you to modify your thinking [willingly] and thoughtfully for one second.

Rather than think about ET in terms of Good or Bad. Think of the situation in a sort of litmus tests.

Does this ET:

Impair my [normal] judgement?
Alter my reality or notions of reality, after this encounter? (pre-encounter comparisons)
Alter my personal identity and relationship with the ET? (Suddenly, you found out your past life was on mars or the moon and the ET was totally your best bud in another life!?)
Does this ET knock me unconscious at the start of an encounter scenario? (You don't have to be knocked physically on the head for that to happen as Ly mentioned.)

ETC.

See it all in those terms folks.


I see people complain about other humans all the time for the smallest of things. If a human did the things some of these ETs do to people saying it's for their own good, they'd be jailed for life.Yeah, I thought I was the only one who noticed.

lycaeus
09-14-2014, 02:46 AM
I am surprised that one was even considered a valid possibility.
You see a lot of people tend to associate alien abductions or contact with mystical, spiritual, enlightenment ideas. It's really common for groups of people who are open to the reality of aliens to assume they are here to enlighten us. I understand there are different groups and labelling "good or bad" is not the best way to go.

Though I think there is a reason people associate abductions with mysticism and spirituality. Probably because abductees are used in experiments that average people might consider mystical. Things like using psychic abilities, interacting with other beings from other dimensions, experiencing expanded states of consciousness, seeing mythical or religious beings, going out of body. Maybe they even use some naturally psychic humans to open portals. And then there is the brainwashing...

I'm reading your old thread and it was the account by nestingwave/bob that reminded me of this common brainwashing idea. (Some of your responses were hilarious btw). Been getting a lot of sporadic headaches in the centre of the forehead, ear ringings and pulsing sensations. Always when I read that thread. And lately, very strong impressions that beings are around at night, just the past couple weeks. A couple glimpses in my peripheral vision of a white thing moving around. Last year I saw the same white thing in the peripheral a few times. Not sure if I wrote about that on the forum. I actually think it might've been at a time when I was reading your old thread. Past few months I had next to none of that. I will make more of an effort not to accidentally 'ping' any beings.


Rather than think about ET in terms of Good or Bad. Think of the situation in a sort of litmus tests.

Good advice. I might be a little biased as I feel I may have a long history of abductions that have generated a lot of repressed anger. Anger that has no obvious source. Though the few times I have seen beings I've often reacted with anger.

Fore
09-14-2014, 04:39 AM
Rather than think about ET in terms of Good or Bad. Think of the situation in a sort of litmus tests.



Good advice. I might be a little biased as I feel I may have a long history of abductions that have generated a lot of repressed anger. Anger that has no obvious source. Though the few times I have seen beings I've often reacted with anger.

The only reason I mentioned it is because I know very well how people who are "affected" will read through these conversations and take it.

When you talk with someone who has been "affected" in a certain way, you can't really tell them anything. They have to figure it out for themselves. Asking them questions that brings them head on with the inconsistent replies from the ET, the things they see, the things they are put through as an experience.

At that point, they begin thinking and doubly so over what they think they understood. They begin being critical and think deeper about everything. Once that rubs the ET-side handling their case, there are responses and exchanges between the ET and the affected. They may (sometimes) realize that something is wrong or at the very least hidden from them.

When an ET gets annoyed and lets their patience slip when dealing with an experiencer, they sometimes start being more firm and straight forward, leading to a confrontation (in [pseudo]friendly types of cases at least). The "questions" that the experiencer asks, begs, pleads with usually bother an ET who has something to hide.

Some lie, few attempt the truth, and some do something in-between the two.

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The first thing to realize is that most experiencers assume [in one way or another IMO] that they are an island. That what happened to them is absolutely valid and everyone else is somehow either in the know or completely ignorant. That if the other persons story "fits", then it is accepted and the situation grows a new angle to look into. If someone elses story doesn't fit, they reject it and assume there is something wrong with the other party or their story.

Like a discrimination of which puzzle pieces fit and which are incompatible.

If you tell experiencers that ET are Evil or Good, then you'll just turn on the discrimination system.



Instead, if you point out the underlying super-structure that supports thousands of experiencers, then you make them genuinely assess the specifics of their own case by some method of rudimentary analysis.

The automatic discrimination should then take a backseat to that inside examination. The experiencer is then hopefully going to apply each test to themselves and then raise questions [all on their own] as to what is possibly happening to them.

That is more profound a change than sitting at the top of a mountain trying to change the minds of group A or B. It is also a problematic exercise for some ET groups. The catalyst is mostly how the person then responds to their situation and how (if it happens) an ET responds to their change in mentality.

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I always assume at least 50% of the people reading this will automatically think I am either crazy, falsifying accounts or simply don't believe anything I have had to say.

I don't pretend to imagine all ET are evil or good. I do not know everyone. What I do assume is that given a basic litmus test, people can figure out what kind of specific situation they are embroiled in by figuring out at least some basic specifics in their own case.

pontificator
09-14-2014, 05:25 AM
My MRI checkup is in about a week and a half [they booked it in properly.] If your past experiences are anything to go by, Fore, I suspect I'll be getting a "medical" for implant removal [if there are any of concern.]

Having said that all, if you don't hear back from me after the appointment then something went horribly wrong. Of course, something could still go horribly wrong, and I reply ;) I'll keep you all in the loop as to what the results are as well [shouldn't be anything interesting.]

aquila
09-14-2014, 05:38 AM
111 is the atomic number of Galactium (symbol Gt), otherwise known as Roentgenium (symbol Rg)

it is a silvery blue white metal in the same category as copper

it has superior electrical properties

it is a very heavy metal - which means that if it exists on a planetary body to any degree it is usually gathered around the core

scientific papers cite the atomic weight of the element as 272 - however, this is quite inadequate

the atomic weight of the element in stable isotope would be beyond 290 - perhaps approximately 333

Fore
09-14-2014, 05:07 PM
111 is the atomic number of Galactium (symbol Gt), otherwise known as Roentgenium (symbol Rg)

it is a silvery blue white metal in the same category as copper

it has superior electrical properties

it is a very heavy metal - which means that if it exists on a planetary body to any degree it is usually gathered around the core

scientific papers cite the atomic weight of the element as 272 - however, this is quite inadequate

the atomic weight of the element in stable isotope would be beyond 290 - perhaps approximately 333

@ aquilla

Is there a connection to the above and what we were talking about?

Interesting transitional metal and it's properties. I am guessing you drawing a connection between the numbers and the color? Or?

@ LY

interesting link:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/09/14/4-myths-about-mindfulness-meditation/?hpt=hp_t4

lycaeus
09-15-2014, 01:53 AM
@ LY

interesting link:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/0...ion/?hpt=hp_t4

Hmm, they say that there are tons of Buddhist stories of people being taken over by evil spirits when they're meditating. Maybe because meditation makes their minds empty so something else can get in? My sense is that when people meditate they become very calm, almost silent, and in many cases, their energy levels drop as they enter a mindless trance where they forget the stresses of life. Maybe that empty, trance feeling lowers their energy. As if a strong aura of energy or influence acts like a defence. In meditation, people lose their strong sense of self. I guess in order to do meditation properly, you'd have to keep your energy and focus on high, keep your self awareness up too, but I bet most practitioners end up slipping and use meditation to go into a drowsy, pleasrable trance, letting their guard down where they become vulnerable to evil spirits. If we're not steering our ship, then someone else probably will.

I had a very minor synchronicity today. As just yesterday I read your response about generating a chaotic, shifting field of influence to throw off ET psi manipulation. Today I was reading your old thread again, and just got to the part about where you describe the exact same thing, when someone asked about breaking ET-induced sleep paralysis. Little synchs like that are encouraging.

I'm mentioning this because you reminded me that some people do think you're bunk. (I think the burdens on them to prove it, as I see no proof you're lying. Nor any reason too. I think people are just skeptical because the truth is too scary and too much to accept for them...) But at the least, this shows that you are consistent over the years.



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Apparently, some ET's like the Greys have the same kind of limitations as I do. They need to concentrate on a specific energy pattern.

A sort of "entrainment" or "locking on" process that requires concentration.

Fundamental principles of influence: It is not a pattern at a distant point in space and time in the same way as we understand physical space principles.

So they cannot simply lock on to a target by simply "looking at it". They have to sense the pattern or perceive it to some degree like I do it seems. Then once they are able to "lock on" to a specific pattern they can begin to emit or induce modifications to disrupt a typical psychic pattern and it's cyclical processes.

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I am describing something that is very hard to understand on the surface of my statements without any experience of the reader. I know this but I keep trying to relay it anyway.

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Disrupting that "locking on" procedure can be done by inducing significant and rapid changes in the consistency of your bodies patterns. By doing so, you make it increasingly difficult for the ET entity to establish a mental perception of a pattern. The way that is necessary to induce changes.

It's like trying mentally lock on to a psychic pattern of an individual that is constantly shifting slightly in psychic composition and state. I suppose it is something like what the advisor claims happens when someone is in the midst of panic.

She said someone who is in panic cannot be controlled psychically because the patterns of the individual becomes ~choatic~.

I knew what she meant exactly at the time. But I didn't completely appreciate what was being relayed. I suspect that this "randomly shifting psychic field technique", she taught/instructed me in, works on the same basic principles as "panic".

It appears that at least some ET's do have psychic limitations in inducing certain kinds of phenomena. Or they need to perform some entrainment procedure.

That means if the field keeps randomly changing in consistency a being like a grey will not be able to establish changes or control over a specific pattern.

The loss of control is likely to cause significant problems. Like losing their focus while performing their psychic paralysis technique on an individual. Probably even more.

I have only tested it once during one fateful abduction encounter. It worked just like the advisor said it should. The Males when subjected to the process, lost the ability to focus their psychic paralysis on me.

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To test it our you need someone who can perform their own version of the technique and to understand the basic principles it is based on.

If it can be done repeatedly, we can then perform it during live abductions to test it's effectiveness and gather data on how the ET react to it.

Assuming you come back without a vengeful lobotomy ....or that you are aware enough to notice the approach of an ET before it has effectively paralyzed you and put you to sleep.

http://www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/fore_2009.htm

pontificator
09-15-2014, 03:53 AM
I'm mentioning this because you reminded me that some people do think you're bunk. (I think the burdens on them to prove it, as I see no proof you're lying. Nor any reason too. I think people are just skeptical because the truth is too scary and too much to accept for them...) But at the least, this shows that you are consistent over the years.

@Ly, It was quite interesting when I came across Fore's original thread on OMF, I got a certain hunch I was onto something the minute I read the first page. Subsequent events involving my first experience of psychic structures exerting noticeable pressure against the scalp, and then the following visitation within weeks was, how shall I put it, "pretty convincing." For me it's now become a sort of litmus test as to whether an individual is likely to really have something happening their way.

@Fore, since the last Skype conversation I'm currently running PSI a little higher than normal, thankfully I've found the correct point at which it's not causing headaches [it's a thing I do where I find the right level, run it at that, and then only increase when I've developed enough that it doesn't cause issues. It takes longer to develop overall, but I feel it might be a more stable approach in the long run {and not require me to buy copious amounts of painkillers ;) }.]

Fore
09-17-2014, 11:34 PM
@Ly, It was quite interesting when I came across Fore's original thread on OMF, I got a certain hunch I was onto something the minute I read the first page. Subsequent events involving my first experience of psychic structures exerting noticeable pressure against the scalp, and then the following visitation within weeks was, how shall I put it, "pretty convincing." For me it's now become a sort of litmus test as to whether an individual is likely to really have something happening their way.

@Fore, since the last Skype conversation I'm currently running PSI a little higher than normal, thankfully I've found the correct point at which it's not causing headaches [it's a thing I do where I find the right level, run it at that, and then only increase when I've developed enough that it doesn't cause issues. It takes longer to develop overall, but I feel it might be a more stable approach in the long run {and not require me to buy copious amounts of painkillers ;) }.]Sorry, I have been too busy. Let me know when the MRI exam occurs.

Also has anyone who has read my old OMF thread ever gotten through it without any incident? Who (if anyone) was immune to anything abnormal while reading through it?

Please post here :)

sleeper
09-18-2014, 07:58 PM
Sorry, I have been too busy. Let me know when the MRI exam occurs.

Also has anyone who has read my old OMF thread ever gotten through it without any incident? Who (if anyone) was immune to anything abnormal while reading through it?

Please post here :)

Loooong time lurker here. Your thread on OMF was the thing that kept me coming back to the forum. Admittedly though I wasn't the most consistent visitor and would check in and binge read the threads developments. When OMF shut down during one of my absences I was disheartened but luckily found Outpost and was happy to see the thread continued.
Have to say though, regardless of my interest, I haven't experienced any abnormal incidences.
I did always feel that the exposure to the information was somehow taboo and perhaps putting me in a compromised position. But other than that sense of caution I haven't experienced any "abnormal incidents". At least not consciously. I am either immune, or, as I have tended to feel, not easily aware or able to experience anything outside our physical 3 dimensions.
Anyway, this is just my anecdote. For the first time in years I feel I have something to contribute. Hope it is of some insight.

Fore
09-19-2014, 12:31 PM
Loooong time lurker here. Your thread on OMF was the thing that kept me coming back to the forum. Admittedly though I wasn't the most consistent visitor and would check in and binge read the threads developments. When OMF shut down during one of my absences I was disheartened but luckily found Outpost and was happy to see the thread continued.
Have to say though, regardless of my interest, I haven't experienced any abnormal incidences.
I did always feel that the exposure to the information was somehow taboo and perhaps putting me in a compromised position. But other than that sense of caution I haven't experienced any "abnormal incidents". At least not consciously. I am either immune, or, as I have tended to feel, not easily aware or able to experience anything outside our physical 3 dimensions.
Anyway, this is just my anecdote. For the first time in years I feel I have something to contribute. Hope it is of some insight.Thanks for letting me know. I wonder what makes you different?

I have heard that there are certain kinds of influence types that some ET's can't (on the first attempt) affect psychically. They [ET] used to say that it takes extra preparations to make those attempts to influence specific subtypes. There is supposedly some who are [literally] non-functional at a biological level for the purposes of psychic communication. (never really come across those myself)

I wonder what makes the persons who aren't affected truly different?

A long time ago, from time spent looking for "proof" with the Advisor towards random people on the net, I learned that she seemed to require slightly more psychic effort and slightly different methods with certain types of people.

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I had always asked different ET what makes these people different and basically received different answers that pretty much overlapped one another from different angles when you compare the answers to one another.

Some ET said some (human) people have physical neurological configurations that inhibit "an effective bridge" of biology and the psychic structures from working together in certain formats. That I belonged to a certain set of criteria that they examine specifically for the purpose of psychic experiments.

Other ET used to say that "normally" one ET can't broadcast across a wide enough range of different influence configurations to effectively communicate across a wide variety of human beings. That they require artificial technology or several concurrent ET to affect 100 people of different subtypes standing in the same room.

Yet other ETs outside my group used to say it was a matter of "convenience" that they left certain individuals "out of an ongoing experience". Stating that if I ever went out of my way to abuse the situation they would rely on "the unaffected" to assert that nothing had in fact occurred contrary to all other statements. A while later [year ago] they also told me over and over again that if I said more than I was told to, they would take "living assets" from elsewhere to introduce them into any conversation to shut the entire thing down if I (ever again) went too far. (And I did, plenty of times LOL, so they did as well.)

More than one ET even stated (inside and outside my ET group) they purposefully avoid interaction with intellectual skeptics to keep the pretense alive and well. (though a few times the poop just happens to hit the fan and they broke their own rule much to the other skeptics surprise)

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What really gets me interested sleeper is what exactly makes you [or specific others] immune to remote access and a typical profiling procedure?

Is it your influence pattern that is somehow a unique subtype?
Or is it that you can't experience any psychic interaction (is the biological "bridge" broken)?
Or is it that it does happen but only experience the physical side effects and not the mental side of profiling that so many members encounter?

Because if you really are immune, I'd love to know what the factor is to go about freely replicating it. (somehow?)

calikid
09-19-2014, 04:31 PM
Sorry, I have been too busy. Let me know when the MRI exam occurs.

Also has anyone who has read my old OMF thread ever gotten through it without any incident? Who (if anyone) was immune to anything abnormal while reading through it?

Please post here :)

Fore. Per your request for comment.
I can say that I did read through your posts at "the old place".... back in the day.
Being a nut-and-bolts natural science guy, your posts were VERY outside my comfort zone.
While I found the perspective far removed from my POV, the information was a welcome glimpse into "things" I would not normally be exposed too.
Reminded me of Hamlet's line, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Anyway, back to your inquiry.
I did indeed read through your material.
I did NOT suffer any abnormal experiences.
No weird dreams, no intrusive thoughts, no expanded mental powers.
My experience; it was a thought provoking narrative that I enjoyed reading.

Garuda
09-19-2014, 07:22 PM
Fore, to answer your question: I've always had 'weird activity' going on, throughout my life.

But there were some incidents that were directly related to your thread.

I got some visits from your 'monkeys' as you call them. They typically just would be lurking in the background, observing.

On one occasion one of them tried to fool me into believing it was your Advisor, but the moment I realised 'she' was only 3 foot tall, the image changed into that of a grey and then disappeared.

atmjjc
09-19-2014, 10:53 PM
Since you asked Fore…not from anything reading from your thread but on multiple occasions back in the OM days I experienced computer difficulties many times before posting. At that time I had multiple computer terminals in which I could use and top of the line software. So it wasn't any one type malfunction on any one type computer.

Now with that said I could also explain what is happening and why you are getting so many people telling you they are having problems and visitations etcetera. These happenings are mostly studied in Psychological and Sociological terms and even Marketing explanations and is referred to as Psychological or Sociological Contagion in Associative Thought or Thinking, it can also be explained as Propaganda, though I hate to use that term, and it is sometimes called Emotional Contagion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion

Fore
09-20-2014, 04:52 AM
Since you asked Fore…not from anything reading from your thread but on multiple occasions back in the OM days I experienced computer difficulties many times before posting. At that time I had multiple computer terminals in which I could use and top of the line software. So it wasn't any one type malfunction on any one type computer.

Now with that said I could also explain what is happening and why you are getting so many people telling you they are having problems and visitations etcetera. These happenings are mostly studied in Psychological and Sociological terms and even Marketing explanations and is referred to as Psychological or Sociological Contagion in Associative Thought or Thinking, it can also be explained as Propaganda, though I hate to use that term, and it is sometimes called Emotional Contagion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion"Emotional contagion" wouldn't include electronics or other reported phenomena. (well, at least not in the standard way of thinking about things)

There is a patronizing way that I inventively (perhaps maliciously) think about these kinds of statements. It is thanks to seeing how the ET sometimes dealt with some of the problems I caused along the way in what they always berated me was supposedly lapses in judgement.

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Let me show you one form of propaganda wrapped in a seeds of doubt.

If you reinforce that absolutely everything is unyielding normal and not "anomalous" phenomena, you can pretty much brow beat anyone into thinking...maybe even a form of forced acceptance...that they are absolutely mistaken.

If I were to carry "emotional contagion" to the extreme conclusion. I would have to warn you atmjjc that your computer troubles across several terminals was perfectly normal and should not be noted as a sign of anything. (despite the fact that it is one of several wide issues, but I am playing this card for funs sake for the moment.)

I'd also have to warn you that you have never once experience paranormal phenomena, as none exists. These I would tell you are all the product of imagination and some form of mental malfunction. Any associated phenomena is simply a product of an overactive imagination. Any body marks scars, or other events involving multiple individuals from more than one consecutive event is simply a form of mass hysteria.

Indeed, there are no such things as ET. Nor are any associated claims to date of any paranormal, spiritual or supernatural in the eyes of the scientific community having any credible foundation.

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Now that I have gotten that out of my system.

As a kid and a teenager, I sometimes went ahead [on my own] and did things in front of other people that defied rational explanation. So much so, that a few unfortunate individuals definitely figured it out. I did it to see what kinds of reactions they would have if they saw some of the stuff the ET taught me. Everything from surprise, definitely a few experienced fear, and some were excited to see something unfamiliar happening to them.

Thanks to having been watched around the clock it didn't take more than a couple of minutes for the ET (almost every time) to figure out what I had done. Each time they first let me know of the gravity of the situation and as the other witnessed (in their fright or surprise) tried to go to others to share what they saw. The instructions came invisibly through telepathy on exactly what "was needed" to come out of my mouth.

I made the witnesses look foolish, crazy, demented. They had lost their marbles for a moment, but don't worry, your friends will understand that you didn't see what you thought you saw or what I supposedly did to you, or even in front of you. I lied as remotely instructed. When people won't bend, the ET would see to it that they would "understand" their momentary confusion and misperception.

I have to admit, I didn't always like the reactions because they were immature...but some of them were nice reactions. "How did you do that?, Can you show me how to do it too? Who taught you how to do that?

I would definitely have liked to have had someone I could have confided in back then...

I don't know if I can actually convey that sadness that you get when you have to openly discredit someone who could have otherwise (depending on the reaction) been someone you could have for once have talked to about all those things way back when it was really needed.
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Instead, you are taught/told you are an experiment, secrecy is everything for your personal comfort and safety. When you don't buy that line they tell you in veiled threats that if you resist "things can happen" to you or your loved ones if they need to bury your existence. You either do what they assure is light and easy for your own good, or you suffer the consequences. They make it known to you that your lack of cooperation has consequences and they can bring in your case in front of other people who don't know you and don't care if you are alive or dead.

So you decide, do you really want it like it's always been or do you want the fearful consequences?

Sometimes I resisted even despite that. So they told me, come here, we'll show you. Look there OR come here. Somebody you dont' even know gets into an accident in front of you as if it is a show of force. You notice [especially the Grey members) they don't think of who got injured. To them, they were "appropriated" for that purpose and it is nothing more or less an act of intimidation. They assure you that living within their bounds is the safe way to live and not to talk or say anything to anyone.

They remind you that no one will ever believe anything you have to say. And that if you try to illustrate for them, they will lock up the functions of your abilities to make sure you don't. They will play every card (including death and disease) to preempt that. They let you know that they know everything you'll do even before you do.

So if you ever think about going in that direction then they will know first and the first thing you'll experience is either you own death or someone you love dying because of you. Like they used to say, they aren't necessary for the experiments.

(And seriously, they really do know what you'll do before you actually act it out. As hard as it sounds, pre-cognition is well within their scope of capability. It took alot of testing to take it seriously.)

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Even when you talk to someone else about all the stuff that happens to you, they used to tell me, everything must be cleared by them. They outline specifically what you can and cannot say. Which details have to be omitted and keep in mind as far as they are concerned they are doing you [begrudgingly] a favor by letting you talk to someone about anything you want to share. This isn't a right and this is all within limits.

You aren't allow to prove anything. They tell you with exactitude you aren't allowed to bring any proof to the conversation. You are allowed to converse but only what is allowed. They also tell you aren't allowed to express to others the intricacies of how they perform. You aren't allowed to discuss times and places. You aren't allowed to identify yourself. You aren't allowed to attempt to capture incidents that can be used as a form of proof of anything being said. (No photos, no video)

If another member experiences anything during ET activity, they will often push you to disavow you know of anything. (usually I don't anyway)

Big swathes of internally exchanged information between ET is almost always prohibited from being revealed.

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Their rules paint a pretty clear picture. There is what you say, but nothing else.
If they want to wipe it up, they want to have a cleanup without any event.

I fully understand (from the get go) that anything anyone else experiences, regardless of intensity, magnitude or appearances is just something immaterial that has (I am supposed to pretend) no basis in reality.

Even this post (unintentionally) ends up reading like a disclaimer, doesn't it?

It's as if I am subconsciously emphasizing that there is nothing abnormal or extraordinary in anything anyone experiences. I wonder why I ended up writing it that way?

Fore
09-20-2014, 01:00 PM
When these beings sync with someone's influence patterns, to what degree are they themselves getting 'entangled' with the target? I apologize. I finally threw in the towel trying to edit the post to kingdom come. Then (helpfully) it got lost.

So straight forward answers is the way to go. The thing is, if you need details, just ask for specific points.

What you asked is a secret that I know is [red flag] material.

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Your answer requires a wide volume of information to cover a scary number of points.

So your question is really:

When these beings sync with someone's influence patterns, can they choose the degree they are themselves getting 'entangled' with the target?

The basic answer is YES.

But what you really wanted to probably know is a little talked about topic even in ET lessons. Not necessarily not detailed, just rarely discussed.

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The factor you are looking for is basically, can you objectively observe the internal information of a foreign being through the use of telepathy and other psychic skills. The general answer is YES.

Question, can the details be omitted/filtered/reduced so that only specific types of information are experienced once connected to a foreign individual.
The answer is YES.

Question, how is this done?
The answer is several ways. The majority of it was explained to be a filtering process governed by directives occurring higher in the loop of consciousness. Encoded data from the foreign host is retrieved through psychic means. Processed according to specific directives so that a translation table sitting between the lower loop and higher loop omits specific types of data. The experienced data at an organic level (and the lower loop) is then both accurate [properly formed] but lacks the data that causes the body or consciousness of the ET to experience 1:1 (1 to 1) physiological symptoms. (like a foreign emotion)

http://s29.postimg.org/3s4yigirr/Basic_Consciousness_v_01.png

The next post contains more details.



Like can they just impassively 'read' and 'manipulate' or does the syncing cause a bleed over of the target's thoughts, feelings, etc. into them? They can impassively 'read' and 'manipulate' without causing bleed-over effects into their body, thoughts and feelings. I'll show you how in the next post in a way you can understand. Because it is an immaterial process rather than something objectively real that you can establish, you'll need to know specific details for it to both A) make sense B) for you to realize how it is done C) possibly realize you do it already but unconsciously D) the explicit necessity for psychic activities)

The same thing when thrown in reverse gives rise to artificial signal injection without the originating entity experiencing the injected pattern. That is even more sensitive material you are not to be told. Much less to a general public audience.


And do they have personal limitations as to what patterns they can sync with? I mean not the rapidity of the pattern changes, but a particular pattern itself.Yes, certain ET's have range limits. They compensate for it by performing concurrent tasks with multiple individuals when the wider range is necessary. They also rely on technological solutions to augment that range. I have never seen it, but I was told of it.

There are specific patterns which I doubt any ET can focus on.

Fore
09-20-2014, 01:19 PM
By the way, I forgot to mention at 4:18am CST the ET connected to my field. I haven't slept for that very reason. Nothing was communicated but my field responded by heightening it's activity.

So I assume they knew I was about to write something that isn't going to leave a good frown on their face. Wish me a lot of luck today (and for everyday afterwards), I will need every ounce.

atmjjc
09-20-2014, 02:18 PM
Since you asked Fore…not from anything reading from your thread but on multiple occasions back in the OM days I experienced computer difficulties many times before posting. At that time I had multiple computer terminals in which I could use and top of the line software. So it wasn't any one type malfunction on any one type computer.

Now with that said I could also explain what is happening and why you are getting so many people telling you they are having problems and visitations etcetera. These happenings are mostly studied in Psychological and Sociological terms and even Marketing explanations and is referred to as Psychological or Sociological Contagion in Associative Thought or Thinking, it can also be explained as Propaganda, though I hate to use that term, and it is sometimes called Emotional Contagion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion

I will get back to you on your response to this at a later date...Sorry short on time;)

Fore
09-20-2014, 10:24 PM
@ Montalk

To continue from the point where I left off...

There is a "trick" that is employed during psychic activity that can turn a foreign persons experience; transform it (using different methods); and then finally introduce it into the internal experience of the observer.

It is something that is absolutely necessary and it isn't one of the first things your taught but it is eventually taught.

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In my particular case I chose the "reduction method" (and to a smaller degree "substitution" + "representation") for the majority of my time with the ET. The reason is mostly due to simplicity in setup and it didn't require fine mental and psychic control during ET testing.

For example, if I went and pulled up your psychic pattern and then scan your field, I internally signify through mental directives what I want to know. Part of the mental directives are filled with "silent" (cognitive) instructions that replace actual captured data and "re-represents it internally" inside myself.

(lets do it step by step and fill you in slowly as I don't want to confuse you)

If I were to poll your specific influence field for any encoded data about your mental status over the last 24 hours, the sorting takes place in the higher mind, that then passes it to the translation tables and reduces and transforms the data into something manageable and clear. That data is then passed on internally into my body and mental (the lower loop) and I experience it as an organic human being should.

For example, if the query was to poll your mental status over the last 24 hours, (just an imaginary example folks), then select pieces of information would pass through the filter while other pieces of information outside the scope of the directives is dropped and never makes it to the lower loop for processing as an experience. I would see that you just fought with your wife (er girlfriend?) in the last 24 hours and sense the overtones of the intensity of your emotions as a different representation in my lower experience.

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You'd probably ask yourself, did I experience that emotion as intensely as you would have during the event?
The answer is no, because I would normally be employing a method the ET (more or less) refer to as "reduction".

Which means that in one particular style, you can configure "the re-experience" of data as a reduced intensity event.

Meaning, that if your actual emotional response and it's encoding was 100% in intensity, then when played back in my body through translation tables I can make it only 10% the same intensity.

I can experience it without being overwhelmed. But still notice the specific qualities of the event without affecting other thought processes.

Usually the ET teach you that you'd only intensify the experience if you are trying to understand something and need to experience the fine details. Other reasons may also include a necessity to pass it through your own system in order to fully assess the experience. (something rarely done)

There are other talents like full immersion RV (the ET version not the Human version) that entails a 1:1 experience. The problem is that you "become that person" momentarily by running the (unabridged (https://www.google.com/search?q=unabridged)) full stream of data through your own structures. Like reading back a reel of encoded information. It is extremely vivid and disturbingly accurate. ET's do not typically do it as they require their internals to be extremely steady.

Though, I know some of the scary types [ET] can fully pull it off without any issue and still manage to be creepy at the same time.


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This is usually used only for understanding the breadth of an experience. Most ET I have met do not just apply only reduction. (Neither did I for that matter)

Fore
09-20-2014, 10:35 PM
By the way, people who typically call themselves empaths almost always apply (unwittingly or due to habit) a form of reduction. I have met some who don't and seem to suffer strong experiences. Usually only emotions though.

Fore
09-20-2014, 10:41 PM
Reduction is usually used in tandem with two other types of transforms. Substitution and representation.

Substitution is usually used in conjunction with ESP and reduction.

{RED FLAG}...yikes

It is where you substitute data artificially to create....numerical or other types of representations. Transforms that....I am getting alot of interference. I'll be back in a while.

Fore
09-21-2014, 04:09 AM
Sourced from Montalk.net:

Back From the Future
A series of quantum experiments shows that measurements performed in the future can influence the present. Does that mean the universe has a destiny—and the laws of physics pull us inexorably toward our prewritten fate?

Full Article: http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/01-back-from-the-future


Tollaksen’s group is looking into the notion that time might flow backward, allowing the future to influence the past. By extension, the universe might have a destiny that reaches back and conspires with the past to bring the present into view. On a cosmic scale, this idea could help explain how life arose in the universe against tremendous odds. On a personal scale, it may make us question whether fate is pulling us forward and whether we have free will.

I'm lurking until things calm down on my end.

Fore
09-21-2014, 05:02 AM
In case as a reader you don't catch on to what the physicist are describing. They are describing what the ET refer to as probability inertia. (An invented name because the English concept doesn't really exist yet so it has no name.)

What happens next "after you read this comment" involves a pathway across probabilities. A sort of "inertia". Some ET who is capable of percieving what it is, can choose to move around and alter present events until they arrive at the future version of reality that they decided upon.

ET's long ago figured out that they could use influence fields generated by conscious living things to retrieve information both across the axis of probabilities and time. They then applied common sense to alter their future paths across an axis of a given probability. Gathering future information and then applying it to the present until they arrive at the conclusion they desired in their agenda.

Sounds like science fiction, right? It is (unfortunately) very real since I learned how to use it myself when I was actively psychic.

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Anyway,

For that reason they [ET] manage events and information and track along a trajectory until it is a present reality.

Entities such as them tend to make decisions based on outcome and not on guessing. (like we do down here)
Living people like us (human beings) are one kind of life form that almost in our entirety do not have access to higher set of cognitive capabilities.
Living beings like them (some ET at least) can and do have access to those higher cognitive functions due to the use of influence fields and psychic capabilities that they bring.

For some of them [ET], (and unfortunately I see why) human beings are not really seen as possessing true sentience by their standards.

They [generally speaking] make sure that they control anomalies in populations on this Earth. They make sure that people don't actually deviate from thinking a certain way or have discussions outside certain bounds or an expected set of parameters.

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The physicist in the article are wrangling with particle effects in the lab and basic forms of probability inertia. Realizing some basic properties of reality. But they are far off from understanding the implications of someone more advanced already utilizing it to their full advantage in everyday life and on living people.

etc
etc
etc

Fore
09-22-2014, 12:03 AM
Reduction is usually used in tandem with two other types of transforms. Substitution and representation.

Substitution is usually used in conjunction with ESP and reduction.

{RED FLAG}...yikes

It is where you substitute data artificially to create....numerical or other types of representations. Transforms that....I am getting alot of interference. I'll be back in a while.I'll be abrupt and too the point.

"Substitution" is usually *a transform* used with ESP and another transform called "reduction".

What is it useful for?

Useful when you want to pick up influence data and "substitute" a complex expression for another.

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For example, the length of a table is a form of substitution. (also partially a form of re-presentation in the internal dynamics...explained later.)

The table is 72 inches long. This end result is a substituted value that will appear in your mind.

A tables length value cannot be measured simply by sensing it's properties. That data isn't encoded in the influence field that represents the structure. At least not in any easy to understand format. When the ET's teach you how to use transforms they explain lots of details.

For example, how to use ESP to gather the properties of a table. Then they teach you how to explain to your higher-self what an inch is. Then teach you to convey [properly] what that inch (a unit of dimensional measurement) is equivalent to. This is internally a form of "representation" used at the invisible level.

When the higher-self then processes an ESP information confined to a single object. The [directives] instructions are defined as an action. To measure the inches in dimensional length, it uses the "inch" (representation in reverse) to transform what an inch signifies. The results are then sent to the invisible translation table and is converted back into a sensation the body then processes as cognitive organic information.

The result then pops up as cognitive information, "This table is 72 inches across."

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What is the temperature? Same story.

The higher mind/self has to be trained as to what physical phenomena means in context of a non-physical presentation. This is something the ET referred to as "Calibration". You have to recheck the values periodically as a psychic.

Fore
09-22-2014, 12:26 AM
Representation is complicated as a transform. It really depends on where in the loop you use it. As well as how you use it.

It can be used very simply or in a very complicated manner for different tasks.

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Re-presentation is a technique where influence data is changed into another format.

It is very similar to substitution but it is not the same. It would take a few years of psychic ESP work to notice the differences. Usually substitution and representation are useful together. Reduction is also useful as a transform but not always used with re-presentation.

While substitution can be used to convert immaterial data into values. Re-presentation can be used to change the data into something simpler to grasp/understand at a cognitive level. (similar but not the same)

It can transform a foreign persons insides into simpler construction of data that is easier on the [lower] mind to process. For example, you can use it to turn an ESP sensation of another human beings feelings into a presentation that has simpler values that don't make your body ache or react to the data.

Re-presentation can be used to truncate the data and change the data into consistently informative information that gets processed on the mental side. So when you see someone balling their eyes out from sadness in front of you. You can tap into their influence field and experience the "re-presentation" in your cognition without experiencing the emotional signals.

The transform converts one type of influence data and turn it into another that is equally informative but doesn't affect the lower loop and everything connected to that lower loop. ET's use it frequently as a form of isolating the observation from internal processes.

"Knowing of" but "not experiencing the same" is the easiest implementation I could think of conveying with this transform.

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I definitely imagine this will be harder to understand in a non-ESP orientated community.

http://s29.postimg.org/3s4yigirr/Basic_Consciousness_v_01.png

Fore
09-22-2014, 12:33 AM
Now to get the grass roots of Montalks actual question.

Yes, you can throw the entire thing in reverse. (it is something I think only an ET could pull off though)

You can use "re-presentation" transforms to artificially induce (rather than receive/perceive) influence data. Please read carefully through that sentence folks. It is very important.

I have said over the years how ET's (especially the Grey) use something like a mental database to associate ...[RED FLAG]..................

<expletives deleted>

So frustrating putting up with this.....

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I have said over the years how ET's (especially the Grey) use something like a mental database to associate what they perceive. A mental database that tells them what .... Gonna take a break again....:(

pontificator
09-23-2014, 09:33 AM
Well the MRI went without a hitch, but I'm pretty sore after having to keep perfectly still in the tube for an hour. Seems they wanted to examine the spine as well, but the worst part was having to hold my breath repeatedly each time they scanned the heart. The first 5 times is fine, but after 40 minutes it seems a bit much. The machine also gave me some excellent ideas for a soundtrack, as well as a few potential horror based storylines ;)

No idea when the results will be in, but I'll see about ordering the DVD of the scan.

There was no other phenomena to report [other than feeling internal organs moving a bit oddly, or the liquid rattling I got in my nose at one point.]

Fore
09-25-2014, 06:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seWsinyjwD4

Most of the interesting stuff is in or near the 30 minute mark.

Around the thirty minute mark. The man in the video (I forget his name) comments on odd encounters during UFO conferences. I believe what he met was not ET, but instead people either:

A) "Handled" by ET
OR
B) Accidentally stumbled (unwittingly) upon an exercise where there were ET(s) who were remotely monitoring the conferences he was at.

I think B is more likely in the scenarios he described.

Likely at each event he was present there were multiple people monitored including his thoughts. They probably were noted during psychic monitoring. Some ET at a remote location probably noticed his internal mental chatter directed towards other human being present during a routine psychic "collection activity". Likely the focus was the content presented by the speakers. Further from the way he described things, I think the collection activity was through peoples own cognition and the use of "proxy people" present in the crowd.

These are two likely (to me) scenarios that likely happened to account for his experience where he thought he had come across an ET.

I don't think he actually did meet any ET. I think he probably met people "handled" by ET in some cases while in other I think it was just the result of ET scanning the crowd and most thought content they generated. With him being one of the speakers, it would have made him worth while to "tap" and monitor what he thought about OR what he was going to later say on the stage.

I think he just uttered things inside his head, at people, who he thought were strange and ended up peaking the interest of some ET listening in. To humor him, in several instances, the monitoring ET seemed to acknowledge his activity in a "fun" way.

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In one instance he mentioned having been at a conference where one of the protagonist of the Billy Meier saga passed through. Having a lady (likely a human handled by ET) strike up a conversation about (and in) reference to Meier. Simply noticing that the (by appearances) Hungarian-looking woman seemed psychic.

In another instance, he performed the same "telepathic signaling" on a little known speaker who he thought might have been an ET due to his odd appearances. Again as per his telepathic instructions (?yet another human Proxy acting out what the ET overheard earlier?) the individual was directed to encounter him and perform the specific operation he requested during his earlier telepathic intention. The little known speaker said "nothing" other than performing a deliberate action per the request and acting strangely. Oh and subsequent induced memory loss. (which yes, can be performed even when an ET is not physically present)

Yet another instance, involving what he calls a girl wherein he again did the same thing and telepathically signaled her. To no apparent acknowledgement. Then the girl was seemingly directed to meet him uncharacteristically and greet him. Then "as if" after the action is completed, she comes to self-realize that shes not herself. And walks away in what he said seemed like a self realization at the awkward point she was driven to.

ETC.

That's my thoughts on those experiences of his. I don't think he knew about certain typical things that ETs (supposedly) do. I guess the easier thought is that he actually met an ET. Though from my looking over his story it sounds more likely that it was his role put him in the scope of the monitoring. Someone ET probably thought it would be something "fun" to acknowledge his attempts directed at an unaffiliated third party. Using experiencers as eyes and ears at a conference certainly wouldn't be very hard. (don't even need experiencers for that matter)

I guess there is more than one use for certain experiencers. I took it as a good story that there are others.

What made me laugh was the story with the girl who was seemingly manipulated. I have seen (first hand, in person) how when the ET release the *induced skew* on someone elses mind "the affected" seem internally/externally confused when they are "released" from remote psychic "hold" the ET had on them. Stories like that are interesting to hear from others.

montalk
09-29-2014, 04:50 AM
Around the thirty minute mark. The man in the video (I forget his name) comments on odd encounters during UFO conferences. I believe what he met was not ET, but instead people either:

A) "Handled" by ET
OR
B) Accidentally stumbled (unwittingly) upon an exercise where there were ET(s) who were remotely monitoring the conferences he was at.

I think B is more likely in the scenarios he described.

Likely at each event he was present there were multiple people monitored including his thoughts. They probably were noted during psychic monitoring. Some ET at a remote location probably noticed his internal mental chatter directed towards other human being present during a routine psychic "collection activity". Likely the focus was the content presented by the speakers. Further from the way he described things, I think the collection activity was through peoples own cognition and the use of "proxy people" present in the crowd.

These are two likely (to me) scenarios that likely happened to account for his experience where he thought he had come across an ET.

Makes sense. Well he did seem struck that two of the mysterious people he met each had those piercing light colored eyes. Either they were selected because they had a certain look that could serve as a red herring, or they weren't regular people.

It's also possible that, in knowing that people like Timothy Good are researchers / opinion leaders, these encounters at public events are little different from UFO encounters in the sense that they are staged encounters meant to impart a certain impression and therefore steer opinion. Like what made him send a psychic message out into the crowd to begin with? I wouldn't be surprised if the idea was dropped into his head to ensure he'd ask at the engineered place and time.

I've read stories of someone (abductee, researcher, etc.) having an encounter with a mysterious person (usually at a public event) who acted as if they were an ET incognito, doing and saying strange things and acting suspicious. Except later when they track this person down, turns out the person isn't ET at all but just another abductee or contactee at best. But it's like something was controlling them and watching through them during the public event, causing this person to act strange. Later the person would return to normal. I don't know if they remembered what they did at the event or not. I suspect there are quite a number of such people out there who are like walking intercom speakers through whom their alien handlers can talk whenever convenient.

Recently I was re-reading parts of John Keel's book "Operation Trojan Horse" and came across a section that was relevant. Here it is.



Within a year after I had launched my full-time UFO investigating effort in 1966, the phenomenon had zeroed in on me, just as it had done with the British newspaper editor Arthur Shuttlewood and so many others. My telephone ran amok first, with mysterious strangers calling day and night to deliver bizarre messages "from the space people." Then I was catapulted into the dreamlike fantasy world of demonology. I kept rendezvous with black Cadillacs on Long Island, and when I tried to pursue them, they would disappear impossibly on dead-end roads. Throughout 1967, I was called out in the middle of the night to go on silly wild-goose chases and try to affect "rescues" of troubled contactees. Luminous aerial objects seemed to follow me around like faithful dogs. The objects seemed to know where I was going and where I had been. I would check into a motel chosen at random only to find that someone had made a reservation in my name and had even left a string of nonsensical telephone messages for me.

I was plagued by impossible coincidences, and some of my closest friends in New York, none of whom was conversant with the phenomenon, began to report strange experiences of their own-poltergeists erupted in their apartments, ugly smells of hydro* gen sulfide haunted them. One girl of my acquaintance suffered an inexplicable two-hour mental blackout while she was sitting under a hair dryer alone in her own apartment. More than once I woke up in the middle of the night to find myself unable to move, with a huge dark apparition standing over me.

While traveling through some twenty states to check firsthand the innumerable UFO reports, I was astonished to find many silent contactees, and while the physical descriptions they offered were varied, it quickly became obvious that they were all suffering the same physiological and psychological symptoms. Through these silent contactees (people whose stories have never been published) I actually entered into communication with the entities themselves. When a UFO would land on an isolated farm and the ufonaut would visit a contactee, he or she would call me immediately and I would actually converse with the entity by telephone, sometimes for hours. It all sounds ridiculous now, but it happened. My notes, tapes, and other materials testify to the fact.

I developed an elaborate system of checks and balances to preclude hoaxes. Unrelated people in several states became a part of my secret network to that mysterious "other world." I wasted months playing the mischievous games of the elementals, searching for nonexistent UFO bases, trying to find ways to protect witnesses from the "men in black. " Poltergeist manifestations seemed to break out wherever I went. It was difficult to judge whether I was unwittingly creating these situations in some manner, or whether they were entirely independent of my mind.

Now, in retrospect, I can see what was actually taking place. The phenomenon was slowly introducing me to aspects I had never even considered before. I was being led step by step from skepticism to belief to -- incredibly -- disbelief. When my thinking went awry and my concepts were wrong, the phenomenon actually led me back onto the right path. It was all an educational process, and my teachers were very, very patient. Other people who have become involved in this situation have not been so lucky. They settled upon and accepted a single frame of reference and were quickly engulfed in disaster. Several examples will be cited in this chapter.

p. 243-244

Fore
09-29-2014, 08:11 AM
Yeah,

I can say two things that I know to be true. One of them being ?a small? number of members of this forum and the previous open minds were susceptible to being utilized at times. A few times people realized it, then PM'd me about how odd they acted during the manipulation within their own body and mind.

It is of course reasonably "strange" if you assert that a foreign entity is capable of:

--reading information
--introducing information (Thought Manipulation / Thought Insemination)
--blanking information (induced memory loss)

That "strangeness" falls away though when people experience it and noticed that it was intelligently driven by something they couldn't see or properly identify. In a few rare cases, they came to certain folks in person rather than doing it remotely.

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The second thing is that researchers (professionals or otherwise) are not at all immune. Some obviously become aware that ET stuff is sometimes weirder than they like it to be. That is usually only because they don't understand what is actually happening in the background around them.

Over time, some researchers clearly become aware that the beings they study is sometimes fully aware of them.

If nobody minds me saying <looks up at the ceiling>.....it's not like they don't like to mold researchers into having nasty habits and feeding into any number of fantasy or fallacies.

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For example,

If some head director at MUFON thinks that anything that remains unidentified...must then automatically be a plane...however illogical it may be to any intelligent observer. There it is.

Another good example, is compulsion to adhere to certain methodologies (as Montalk pointed out). For example, some of the breath taking evidence ever filmed or recorded may be in the hands of researchers tucked away in boxes and private vaults. Only to probably be rehashed and released after the cat is already out of the bag. When really angry pre-disclosure investigators eventually ask why the hell it wasn't made public before Disclosure day....expect a blank look and a stupid look on their face as an answer.

ET's know there is sufficient evidence. They just play games of confusion to muddy the waters and keep things going for as long as possible. If you ever see them intervene, it is probably because there was a potential break in that operational status quo. If they do things right, then it won't materialize and the people holding on to the best evidence will remain complacently silent.

There has never been a rule (at least not in some ET circles) that to "futz with someone" they have to be absolutely be an experiencer. As long as they are none the wiser.

I do think that some of the biggest and most popular name in UFOlogy have interference, scrapes and proverbial bruises with ET Intel types. If you could pull apart the insides of some researchers I can only "imagine" the amount of secrets hidden inside them about what they don't dare say in public places. And even those have to contend with the frank possibility that they see strangeness but don't really know what is going on around them.

An ET likely won't make it clear what is going on around them either. What typically important is that people remain sufficiently confused.

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Like having circumstances that spins endlessly without (seemingly) rhyme or reason. Even if you wanted to talk to someone about it, you don't really know what you should say (or admit to) about this strangely confusing circumstances that leaves you totally bewildered.

WildMage
09-29-2014, 11:02 AM
As I read thru these, a question popped into my mind... how much of this can be related to parallel worlds. A resonant frequency away where the mind can tap into it or be entrained to it.

Artists run into this phenomenon in the sense of it feels like certain works are extracted from the invisible space around them. External to their own mind but a part of the mental landscape they can tap into.

Looking back across the centuries especially in the religious, tribal, and occult type practices, it points to such a parallel world which can be accessed. The access either thru altered mental states or thru specific tonal type chants and rituals. Another aspect which stands out is how some very old and wealthy families became involved in seance type occult practices. Societies with strange claims of communicating with something elsewhere, in some cases either getting future information or information regarding radical advances in technology.

I am speaking to things like King Solomon, The Moses Story, The Veda's, The Tibetan Monks, The Thule Society/VRIL, Alistair, Parson's/ JPL, Blavatsky... even Tesla in his early radio work

Each of them in their own way, point to another world or worlds, some of it embedded in demonology, and in later years a communication bridge with some other civilization. I do not think disclosure will come anytime soon, mainly because it is esoteric in nature. The big part being this civilization has had access to our world for millennia, and we have yet to figure out a method of accessing their specific space time. As far as governments or those who rule are concerned this is an unequal footing. They can affect us but we do not have any methods available to us to affect them.

On the other hand assuming the Eisenhower meetings did take place, my question is what drove such a civilization into the open. Perhaps the US Military found or discover a key piece of technology, which would provide access or made such a parallel world visible if not accessible to researchers... Then the secrecy is tied into engineering projects where certain technologies would be more akin to building out a parallel space time. A continuity of government in an off world space, parallel to our own. In the event of a catastrophic disaster, where the planet become uninhabitable a select few would have a ticket to this alternate space-time. Sort of reminds me of the Georgia Guide Stones 500M have tickets and the rest perish on the planet. Are they the guests of another civilization or the owners of a space-time they had a part in engineering at some level.

The technology to make something exist in a parallel space time, and perhaps bridge it between two or or more parallel space-times. -- Philadelphia / Montauk / Stargate / Looking Glass projects, could be related to an accidental discovery of closed time-like curves or an application of them without a physical/mathematical understanding of what these were. Perhaps later these became better understood. What makes it interesting however is how there seems to be a bleed thru with certain individuals who access such a space naturally.

@Fore you were given a gift to interpret and understand a language, which leave many others who come into contact with it confused. You were shown aspects which allows you to navigate this space within certain parameters. It is not something which can be proven or dis-proven, those you interact with will either believe you or not. For the most part when you get a certain momentum going the situation gets defused, in any number of ways. Most minds which are by default extremely curious do have access to combinatorial factors, which with key pieces of information gain access to areas they cannot properly handle. Much less understand what it is they are accessing, or how to properly structure their own thought patterns to control what they are emitting or receiving, within this space. They have no way of properly interpreting, what is communicated, or what they are actually experiencing.

There is a relinquishing of control, which must take place, which the human mind instinctively fights. It is a trust between lower and higher mind which must be established, allowing the higher mind to interpret the environment being accessed. This takes practice and many immersions into this environment. Looking at how ET does it, my own interpretation is this a procedural acclimation. Created to remove fear or the fight instinct blocking the natural bridge mechanism within our own minds. Pragmatically there is no way ET is going to stop you from disclosing the things you know, you will continue on your quest one way or another. I know you knew this was coming and at some level knew it would be coming from me. This is not to discourage you, but to give your readers an ability to weigh what it is they are absorbing.

ET good or ET Bad... I have no way of knowing either way. What I am certain of however is I would not want them in charge of any program which would allow them to fix or provide help in fixing psyche type damages derived from such experiences. It is something which must be resolved at a human level without any external influence. Perhaps in the near future we get introduced to or discover a technology which explains aspects of this phenomenon in a clear manner. Until then we may be blind, and susceptible to deception, and it may simply be a choice we make. However I feel our own mental and psychic freedom is at stake. Where if we progress and understand it on our own we establish our own right to be recognized as sentient beings within these alternate or parallel worlds. Alternately, we are helped and this is used to establish a right of ownership over the human mind and psyche. It is my two cents, and mostly conjecture, opinion and wild guess at the situation, but hopefully something which is considered.

*WM*

Fore
09-30-2014, 03:13 AM
I am going to try to show you a different way to interpret your questions or add small corrections.

As I read thru these, a question popped into my mind... how much of this can be related to parallel worlds. A resonant frequency away where the mind can tap into it or be entrained to it. That sets up "a premise" that, rather than actual events, these are "imaginary" or "transcendental".

While I know you come from that way of thinking and that you don't mean any harm by it. (so don't worry about it)

It [the premise] sets off a trigger for those who are susceptible to that line of thinking to think of all these accounts (or most of it) within that context. Thereby taking away from the information the relevance to their own experience.

"That fore guy is just in tune with some unknown which is not a straight forward ET phenomena with some additional coatings of the paranormal happening side by side."

If you are vulnerable to that kind of fallacy, it can lead you to disregard data whenever your internal compass says it is fine.

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I can give the audience "an antidote" to this line of obfuscation by simply pointing to a (when I find them) diverse source of materials of other parallel stories from other disassociated events. To show you that it is not a case of "tuning in" to something that only "a few" (another proposed fallacy) have access to.

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The risks in doing that is I will no doubt end up pissing off the ET members I once knew and forcing them to once again intervene to put out another fire.

The rules are: I can say certain things as long as I don't [openly] convince anyone through the use of evidence or somehow create a preponderance of unavoidable experiences.

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Meaning for example, if I turned "on" everything the ET gave in terms of psi abilities like theirs:

I could just start reading Montalks mind and start posting every detail that comes to me, thereby convincing Montalk and subsequently other members.

I SHOULD NOT (under penalty of ET intervention) do that repeatedly to the point where people find themselves in the unavoidable belief that there is a member who has definitive PSI ability. ET overseeing me prefer to frame everything as non-definitive and VERY vague.

I SHOULD NOT use that as a platform to disseminate knowledge to induce others to perform the same. (already broke that plenty of times)

I SHOULD NOT divulge knowledge of the future; either handed to me by an ET during content editing NOR through my own independent ability. (already broke that plenty of times)
(Because when I complained about the editing of what I could not say, the ET supervising the situation sometimes did actually point out what they specifically wanted to avoid as a resulting situation. If I then turn around and then point it out to the public what that was...even to one person....a community would get paranoid that I knew before it actually happens.)

When you tell just a handful of people, then it happens, well that create confidence. ET members who used to keep watch over me knew that having too many individuals vouch for me when they tried to shut conversations down in select people was extremely...not good.

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The point is, staying nebulously uncertain, keeps the ET from coming back. Turning off any PSI abilities that I acquired during the time spent with them is good for their status quo. When I do disrupt their status quo, there is trouble for me. (and often others watching what I said)

I am pretty sure if I pick up a habit of pointing out details in foreign cases that will not be "a good thing" for me. Even though I havent' seen them in some time I can tell they are sometimes peaking in to see what I am up to.

In either case, it would damage the premise in the minds of others that I "tune" in to phenomena rather than blood and bone ET figures.

Fore
09-30-2014, 03:38 AM
Looking back across the centuries especially in the religious, tribal, and occult type practices, it points to such a parallel world which can be accessed. The access either thru altered mental states or thru specific tonal type chants and rituals. Another aspect which stands out is how some very old and wealthy families became involved in seance type occult practices. Societies with strange claims of communicating with something elsewhere, in some cases either getting future information or information regarding radical advances in technology.

I am speaking to things like King Solomon, The Moses Story, The Veda's, The Tibetan Monks, The Thule Society/VRIL, Alistair, Parson's/ JPL, Blavatsky... even Tesla in his early radio work Occult practices are almost always paranormal. A paranormal entity has no material mass. Though it can induce physical anomalies without the use of mass by altering influence fields.

The occultist don't see paranormal entities. Unless the paranormal entity induces some kind of psychic phenomena to recreate a visual image in the mind of some occultist. Most cameras trying to take an image of a paranormal figure just see fluctuations in physics.

The strongest fluctuations become visible (usually as whisp of paranormal "smoke"). Since you mentioned Moses from the Bible, keep in mind the top of the mountain was covered "in smoke". See any connection?

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Moving beyond the occult, the ET don't normally allow people to look at them. Even during abduction procedures. Even when they do it is usually with the victim hampered.

Point is, you might want to rethink what the real reasons are that people get influenced by a wide spectrum of paranormal entities. It is regularly (in my mind) not about tuning in to anything. It is more about the paranormal gaining access to a living persons physical biology and all the invisibly connected components.

If the occultist listen to some paranormal presence who tries to associate with them, whether they realize it or not, most paranormals don't perform long distance PSI phenomena. Locating the location of a victim is just about the longest distance PSI phenomena that most paranormal types can pull off.

They are almost always therefore within a close proximity (10 to 100 meters).

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The same is not true with the ET who are PSI capable.

They can certainly reach over very large distances with their influence field (psychic field). As long as preparations are already in place it is not very hard. Even for a human being like me with a resemblance of their psi talents.

Could they pull off pretending to be a ghost? Sure why not. It wouldn't be too hard as long as they remain non-visible.

Fore
09-30-2014, 03:56 AM
Each of them in their own way, point to another world or worlds, some of it embedded in demonology, and in later years a communication bridge with some other civilization. I do not think disclosure will come anytime soon, mainly because it is esoteric in nature. The big part being this civilization has had access to our world for millennia, and we have yet to figure out a method of accessing their specific space time. As far as governments or those who rule are concerned this is an unequal footing. They can affect us but we do not have any methods available to us to affect them.Another fallacy to point out is that paranormals don't have any technology. (with the exception of the UT)

They have no access to physical materials, they can only take the invisible fabric they are made off and alter its properties.
So there is no such thing as a "civilization" of paranormal types. (with the exception of the UT)

They are virtually <no more than> stark naked. Using their own energetic influence to create small alterations in physical space. Collecting influence from living beings just to improve their condition. They are like the hobos (as funny as that sounds) of the paranormal.

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I am pretty sure that paranormals put up pretenses that they have some "great civilizations". But if you look closely they have no precepts of such. Can they still learn? Yeah they have a ton of time. But they can't do much with it.

The best a paranormal can do with excess knowledge is roaming about with intelligent deception. The collection activities are usually all that deception is used for.

They can't (and don't) even have a bed. (not that they need one anyway)

Fore
09-30-2014, 04:44 AM
On the other hand assuming the Eisenhower meetings did take place, my question is what drove such a civilization into the open. Perhaps the US Military found or discover a key piece of technology, which would provide access or made such a parallel world visible if not accessible to researchers... Then the secrecy is tied into engineering projects where certain technologies would be more akin to building out a parallel space time. A continuity of government in an off world space, parallel to our own. In the event of a catastrophic disaster, where the planet become uninhabitable a select few would have a ticket to this alternate space-time. Sort of reminds me of the Georgia Guide Stones 500M have tickets and the rest perish on the planet. Are they the guests of another civilization or the owners of a space-time they had a part in engineering at some level.

The technology to make something exist in a parallel space time, and perhaps bridge it between two or or more parallel space-times. -- Philadelphia / Montauk / Stargate / Looking Glass projects, could be related to an accidental discovery of closed time-like curves or an application of them without a physical/mathematical understanding of what these were. Perhaps later these became better understood. What makes it interesting however is how there seems to be a bleed thru with certain individuals who access such a space naturally.

The way I see it, it is pretty simple.

The first thing you'd expect is a time and place of the first official ET contact. Due to what the ET said, I am guessing way before 1940's. Likely 1910s.

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The next thing you'd imagine would happen, is that they would have sent someone at the level of a General of the armed forces to the invitation, not a president. (that would be dumb and unnecessary) I don't believe the paper trails on "Majic" or whatever. I don't even believe in the timeline that supposedly took place.

I think what likely happened is that a general was sent to some airport in the middle of nowhere. Likely with supporting staff and advisors. They saw the first official UFO approach. Probably noticed it go from invisible to visible and the fact that it wasn't a standard plane.

Then the occupants probably stepped out and the General noticed that they were telepathic. Then, likely the ET started accessing a ton of classified data in the Generals head and the advisors. That likely taught (duh) the folks not to send high ranking officials with access to secret knowledge. What likely happened next is that they started studies on how to compartmentalize the armed forces. Knowing for the first time, that a higher and more evolved intelligence could and did have access to all present knowledge to date.

Public figures in government and the armed forces likely became a liability. From then on, there is a high likelihood (in my mind) that the first secret agencies formed where the president no longer "needed to know". A separate armed forces with separate staff and a separate government. People were likely chosen to study the ufo phenomena and probably saw the first reports from the General who noted at ton of characteristics.

That probably created the first "secret" government and armed forces. Where its members were not an open and active part of society. The people were likely specialized and specified to live and work underground exclusively with no paperwork and no documentation to outline their time with no possibility of a return to public society. For the obvious fear that any ET scanning the minds below could have gained additional access to the activities of the newly formed state.

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What likely then took place is that instead of Generals, it was now educated advisors who know only protocols about who they are meeting with zero access to privileged information.

That probably started the general cooperation of ET and human beings.

What happened next is probably one of the meetings in the early 1920's turned up alarming info that caused a change of pace in the continuity of government, technology and the human race. They started shooting down UFO's to obtain technology and pilots. Huge investments in projects to study everything from how the crafts worked to how the ET's operated to where their true origins hailed from.

That likely started computer technology, radio, increasing air craft performance, rocketry etc.

They likely ended up studying telepathy. How did aliens perform these talents? etc
Then Invisibility in the crafts and occupants. Recovery of more spacecraft shot down by prototype weapons and new insights into how their ships navigate and propel themselves.
Then studying the advanced physics of UFO's and the structure of command structures, resources, etc.

The insights likely kept pouring in with secret knowledge far outpacing public science. Kidnappings of contactees, attempting to intercept abductions after they occurred to figure out what the ET's were up to. Studying the traces left behind by UFO's to figure out ways to track their activity. Geiger counters, false identities, etc.

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1930's and 40s the first attempts to replicate "computer" technology used by the ET's with rough estimations of what type of ET science.

Rumors and leaks of project Montalk, the so called philadelphia experiment. Probably a leaked facsimile of real data by malicious ET into the mind of more than one man.

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Project Montalk,
The study of recreating sentient "computer" technologies used to pilot some of the ET craft. As well as studies in "Influence Field" and "Influence Space" modifiers. Creating and bending the instructions in influence space to create artificial paranormal phenomena. (Altering the "Source Code" to what defines physical space, processes, and physical objects)


Then the study of the human influence field and psi technologies. Mind control (ala ET), Consciousness removal from a living organism, replacement of consciousness. The first attempts to recreate (unsanctioned) ET hybrid automations. Genetics first and then process techniques for the consciousness programming. The first attempts to fashion psychic super soldiers...human beings with access to advanced forms of battlefield insight?


Studies of advances in PSI weapons and targeted killing. Protection from ET telepathic eavesdropping. First attempts to recreate human telepaths. Remote Viewing programs for Intelligence. Mind control studies.

Philadelphia experiment,
Attempting to recreate ET "phasing technologies" and applying it to (then) modern warfare. The first attempts at an invisible naval warship?

Then recreating an even more complicated (but separate) technology, the first attempt to recreate "Translation Gates" (dimensional displacement).

Looking Glass,
The replication of ET technology to be able to see into the future through strictly technological means.

etc.....

Even if it is all a guess. It is not hard to see how the black projects we don't even know about might have started and why they took the directions they did.

WildMage
09-30-2014, 10:25 AM
The timeline you provide in your last post is very close to the one I had in mind, for the families of old wealth and power, pulling strings as the say. Many began blending out of the public eye in the mid 19th century. The 1910 time period is inline with Rutherford's radioactivity, Marconi's first transatlantic wireless signals, The Wright Brother's first flight and the works of Einstein and Planck. I have strong feeling what those secret societies communicated with at various times was not spirit but a UT civilization. During other periods of time they may have communicated with spirits. The Victorian era was UT, post Victorian could very well have been spiritual all the way up to WWII, with a few exceptions here and there. The differentiation being a transfer of technological knowledge in periods of UT contact.

Perhaps an awareness of something inter-dimensional existed long before the 1910 date, with certain breakthroughs occurring in those years? It would not surprise me a first meeting took place at that point. The Nuclear age could have prompted further contact. I do point to old texts, as a source, wherein perhaps it was esoteric knowledge held by Kings and priests. Those with access to libraries, and schooling.

While I do not discount the spiritual aspect as a portion of the mix, what you write about is not spiritual. However I cannot shake the feeling the experience you write about is with UT type beings who have bridged the gap between their reality and our own. Whether this is thru the use of technology or thru a set of natural abilities they possess is almost irrelevant. Their ability to cross over persay is what allows them to affect our reality. It maybe true most UT types would not have this capacity and perhaps only use mental or psychic type abilities to communicate. However your accounts point to an entity with access to some other world with a different set of physical rules. Time moves at a different pace, our environment is toxic to them, their presence here is toxic to humans. You also speak of their ability to manipulate their own physical presence phasing in and out of our own solid reality. Just how solid our own reality is remains debatable, my own experience would say it is a construct which under the right conditions becomes modifiable. Reality can be fabricated and deconstructed it can also be moved in space time or jumped/merged into alternate realities.

The technology I was shown as a kid 40+ years ago just became reality a few weeks ago. The version I was shown was much more advanced, but it is the same baseline technology. I asked the question on a physics forum roughly 10 years ago, and it was shot down as impossible. Yet researchers at Princeton still managed to pull it off. It is technology which ultimately opens the door to an alternate space-time or reality. making it possible to create structures or an alternate space within our own reality. We only experience a small portion of the reality around us this will expand it into alternate realities with very different physics rules. Mass-less constructs that experience time at a much slower rate, or can have these properties modified based on a generated field configuration.

I do not know what UT/ET is thinking, but I would venture to say the technology we sit on, was provided and explained by UT type entities. For what purpose I do not know.

I do think there is an ETH component to this, but I do not think this subset are the ones communicating, if anything it feels more like they discourage such interactions.

anyway it is fairly late on my end and just wanted to clarify a little regarding the directions my thoughts were floating in.

*WM*

Fore
09-30-2014, 11:58 AM
While I believe this guy has a few error in his assumptions as to how the UFO's work. I think he is as close as you can get to being rather on the spot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyKVQMIunoY

"Bulk Space" = Phased Space (in Fore's ET Lingo)
Phased Space is accessed by Phasing Technology.

TeV Brane = Spacetime = "The Ground Floor" (in Fore's ET Lingo)

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I think he is wrong about bulk space and it's properties. I think there are still a number of revisions in order for theoretical science to get it right.

I think the narratives that our grand kids will grow up with will be with different notions of space and time. I think eventually people will eventually accept that spacetime is different than is conceived of in schools. That reality (physical reality) has more than 1 discrete level. That slightly mis-aligning any physical mass with respect to "the ground floor" of reality render a mass to exist in a slightly different capacity as a physical object.

That objects that exist or are slightly "phased out" of any "ground floor" of reality gradually lose their parent spacetime properties. Until eventually it loses cohesion and ceases to exist if left to ~evaporate~ far enough from a "ground floor" spacetime. (This will eventually open the door to the idea of "Translation Gates" or dimensional transference.)

Making an object disappear from one spacetime (or in science lingo a [mem]Brane) and transforming it with an intermediary process....then reconstructing it's properties for another spacetime. (Dimensional travel)

The eventual question is (like the ET advisor showed me) is what prevents someone from transferring any object from one time frame in the same spacetime to another time frame in the same spacetime? (Time Travel)

Or even....what prevents someone from translating an object into a intermediary form and then (through an abstract concept called a "Translation Gate") reintroducing that same object at another location in the same spacetime "Brane"? It would mean large distances traveled without anything like a wormhole.

(Wormholes is something which is surprisingly absent in ET lessons in my case)

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Translation Gates are said to be "process phenomena" that are "abstract" because they don't exist anywhere, in any spacetime. The "Translation Gates" exist as abstract processes that are said to be an upper functionality between two (or more) compatible realities. Existing only as processes of intermediary exchanges of potentials between realities.

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Unfortunately, the guy in the video imagines that phased space (He names it Bulk Space) is going to serve the same functions as "Translation Gates". He seems to think in terms of "a wormhole physics paradigm" which is unfortunate.

Phased space is more like subtle space-time layers. It gives access to a different layer of a spacetime reality who's properties progressively deteriorates as they leave the ground floor of reality.

It can be used for rate distortion of time.
Reduction in the force of gravity.
Optical Invisibility.
The appearance of having immaterial characteristics towards object on the ground floor or reality. (In example, an ET could be standing next to you, observing you, but you wouldn't notice it even though the two of you are material objects in spacetime.)

But shortening long distance space travel? Not from what I heard. <shrug>?


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I also wonder if discrete layers of phased space in the universe, is what is currently bewildering scientist in astrophysics. I wonder if that is why they are looking for dark matter and dark energy in the universe. Massive astronomical objects which are there, registered in the continuity of spacetime, but aren't detectable. :) ;)

Fore
09-30-2014, 12:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBDsvf0CFGI

https://kippywinston.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/32120-clipart-illustration-of-an-expressive-yellow-smiley-face-emoticon-flirting-and-winking.jpg

Fore
09-30-2014, 02:31 PM
The timeline you provide in your last post is very close to the one I had in mind, for the families of old wealth and power, pulling strings as the say. I didn't intend for any of it to be accurate. Mostly just a dart board at throwing out what I thought might be progressive discoveries leading to research. (being rather predictable)

I just meant to show that what at first may appear to be a series of haphazard "black projects" from popular stories thrown around in the UFO field; is not as haphazard or as it may seem to some (like me).

The different research angles told by different accounts, however questionable, make sense only if you know of certain topics and technology. If you don't know what to expect, it may just look like a soup of technology testing that doesn't have any relevance or interconnected ties to one another. When in reality they do.

It (in my mind) makes sense why some leaks ended up sounding the way they did. Even if the characters behind them sounded (or are) questionable.

That was the thrust of that post. Not really aimed for any accurate story telling. Just a manner of drawing points of reference between technology and puzzle pieces.

Given that association anyone reading would be (hopefully) realizing that some research was aimed with a specific intent and with some relevant trajectories. I also think compartmentalization of government bodies and research and development makes sense if you take into account what our (wordly) governments undeniably know about the ET's and their intelligence capabilities.

Geeze, had an ear ringing at 2am and again at...exactly 7:30am. Left ear. <sigh>

Fore
09-30-2014, 03:08 PM
Many began blending out of the public eye in the mid 19th century. The 1910 time period is inline with Rutherford's radioactivity, Marconi's first transatlantic wireless signals, The Wright Brother's first flight and the works of Einstein and Planck. I have strong feeling what those secret societies communicated with at various times was not spirit but a UT civilization. You might just be on to something. It seems there was intellectual gravity very early in the last century and then it sort of drops off. Most of the science of today was hinted at in the very early 1910's and 1920's.

One could assume (if you believe that Majic narrative centered in the 1950's and 40's) that quite basically the ET's didn't inspire us in pretty much anything.

But if you assume that most important events happened earlier, then it is a bit interesting. I do not doubt that UT (of the malevolent kind) have had their hand in the soup that is the world. I would not be too surprised if behind ET life there are UT with operating agendas.



During other periods of time they may have communicated with spirits. The Victorian era was UT, post Victorian could very well have been spiritual all the way up to WWII, with a few exceptions here and there. The differentiation being a transfer of technological knowledge in periods of UT contact. I do losely recall there being references in a documentary about the 1920's being a period of spiritual mediums. As it was supposedly all the rage back then.

I do not know much of anything in the victorian era. If what you said is true, I guess that is pretty interesting.

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I think at least some of the most interesting advances in past eras were due to interventions. I recently learned that during WWI/WWII, Radar was supposedly inspired/invented by a guy who had an interesting nighttime dream wherein the layout of an early radar tracking unit was laid out using what was seemingly useless technolgy. Turning a useless set of technologies into a weaponized Radar tracking platform.

Turrets were then guided by the invention to shoot down enemy planes.


Perhaps an awareness of something inter-dimensional existed long before the 1910 date, with certain breakthroughs occurring in those years? It would not surprise me a first meeting took place at that point. The Nuclear age could have prompted further contact. I do point to old texts, as a source, wherein perhaps it was esoteric knowledge held by Kings and priests. Those with access to libraries, and schooling. Probably.

I do know the Grey Males taught me quite a few things I thought were useless until I advanced in school and realized that different lessons (formed differently than text books) dealt with physics seen from a different perspective. What you don't know they can teach you. But it will be absent of any names in human history and the processes won't be called what human beings call it. (usually the ET use compact forms of telepathy descriptors when you lack a proper knowledge base to work with)


While I do not discount the spiritual aspect as a portion of the mix, what you write about is not spiritual. Normally, I don't, though I know plenty from observation. There were paranormal encounters alongside the ET.

To tell you the truth I think the ET's level of psychic ability seems to attract paranormals (spiritual entities) from afar in their wake.


However I cannot shake the feeling the experience you write about is with UT type beings who have bridged the gap between their reality and our own. Whether this is thru the use of technology or thru a set of natural abilities they possess is almost irrelevant. Their ability to cross over persay is what allows them to affect our reality. It maybe true most UT types would not have this capacity and perhaps only use mental or psychic type abilities to communicate. However your accounts point to an entity with access to some other world with a different set of physical rules. Time moves at a different pace, our environment is toxic to them, their presence here is toxic to humans. You also speak of their ability to manipulate their own physical presence phasing in and out of our own solid reality. Just how solid our own reality is remains debatable, my own experience would say it is a construct which under the right conditions becomes modifiable. Reality can be fabricated and deconstructed it can also be moved in space time or jumped/merged into alternate realities. I only classify exotic types of life forms as UT.

Most of them are ET. There is a spectrum. But more or less all ET are like you and me as in flesh and blood or at least partially flesh and blood. UT are a different form of life that I do not completely understand. The rare times they appear they don't have technology in the sense of machines. Their ability to modify their environment seems supernatural yet seemingly a different kind of technology. Perhaps a spiritual technology?

All UT I know of have at least the principle factor that they are capable of adjusting the environment around them with through what I perceive is some kind of spiritual knowledge. They don't appear to rely on external devices in the sense of a hand radio or a hovering craft.

So I threw them in the bin of "UT". Ultra-Terrestrials. Most of them seem to be spiritual entities that are alive.

Paranormal spirits who are dead I do not call UT, as they seem to be to lack being alive, lack bodies, don't employ neither spiritual technology or physical technology...etc. They are just spiritual entities nothing more.


The technology I was shown as a kid 40+ years ago just became reality a few weeks ago. The version I was shown was much more advanced, but it is the same baseline technology. I asked the question on a physics forum roughly 10 years ago, and it was shot down as impossible. Yet researchers at Princeton still managed to pull it off. It is technology which ultimately opens the door to an alternate space-time or reality. making it possible to create structures or an alternate space within our own reality. We only experience a small portion of the reality around us this will expand it into alternate realities with very different physics rules. Mass-less constructs that experience time at a much slower rate, or can have these properties modified based on a generated field configuration. I know right, it is an enlightening feeling to notice an example of that technology from some other human source.

It kinda puts a smile across your face to see it no longer attached from some ET entity's visit.


I do not know what UT/ET is thinking, but I would venture to say the technology we sit on, was provided and explained by UT type entities. For what purpose I do not know.

I do think there is an ETH component to this, but I do not think this subset are the ones communicating, if anything it feels more like they discourage such interactions.

anyway it is fairly late on my end and just wanted to clarify a little regarding the directions my thoughts were floating in.

*WM*

WildMage
10-02-2014, 08:29 AM
While I believe this guy has a few error in his assumptions as to how the UFO's work. I think he is as close as you can get to being rather on the spot.

I think he is wrong about bulk space and it's properties. I think there are still a number of revisions in order for theoretical science to get it right.

I think the narratives that our grand kids will grow up with will be with different notions of space and time. I think eventually people will eventually accept that spacetime is different than is conceived of in schools. That reality (physical reality) has more than 1 discrete level. That slightly mis-aligning any physical mass with respect to "the ground floor" of reality render a mass to exist in a slightly different capacity as a physical object.

That objects that exist or are slightly "phased out" of any "ground floor" of reality gradually lose their parent spacetime properties. Until eventually it loses cohesion and ceases to exist if left to ~evaporate~ far enough from a "ground floor" spacetime. (This will eventually open the door to the idea of "Translation Gates" or dimensional transference.)

Making an object disappear from one spacetime (or in science lingo a [mem]Brane) and transforming it with an intermediary process....then reconstructing it's properties for another spacetime. (Dimensional travel)

The eventual question is (like the ET advisor showed me) is what prevents someone from transferring any object from one time frame in the same spacetime to another time frame in the same spacetime? (Time Travel)

Or even....what prevents someone from translating an object into a intermediary form and then (through an abstract concept called a "Translation Gate") reintroducing that same object at another location in the same spacetime "Brane"? It would mean large distances traveled without anything like a wormhole.

(Wormholes is something which is surprisingly absent in ET lessons in my case)

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Translation Gates are said to be "process phenomena" that are "abstract" because they don't exist anywhere, in any spacetime. The "Translation Gates" exist as abstract processes that are said to be an upper functionality between two (or more) compatible realities. Existing only as processes of intermediary exchanges of potentials between realities.



I am finally grepping what it is you are getting at. Different, but it is finally meshing into what I understand. I agree he is using a gravity model to explain his Bulk space and based on physics cannot let go of the curvature aspects expecting a warped field which can be traversed.

My own understanding lays along something more akin to what I term a field set configuration. A segment of the [mem]brane is shaped and then configured to hold certain properties at different points in the constsruct. What I was shown looked like points of different colored lights in a a semi-solid field which had been shaped into a crystal-like matrix. Changing the configuration would transmute matter/energy in the immediate space-time reality as they phased in and out of bulk space. The one representation which sticks out however was the transformation of a dark liquid like energy into matter. Vapor depositing like a 3-d printer whatever molecular structure was needed into the ground floor state.

I am pretty sure it was just my own mind translating what was going on in a colored light spectrum, but each molecular construct had it's own template or configuration.

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I only classify exotic types of life forms as UT.

Most of them are ET. There is a spectrum. But more or less all ET are like you and me as in flesh and blood or at least partially flesh and blood. UT are a different form of life that I do not completely understand. The rare times they appear they don't have technology in the sense of machines. Their ability to modify their environment seems supernatural yet seemingly a different kind of technology. Perhaps a spiritual technology?

All UT I know of have at least the principle factor that they are capable of adjusting the environment around them with through what I perceive is some kind of spiritual knowledge. They don't appear to rely on external devices in the sense of a hand radio or a hovering craft.

So I threw them in the bin of "UT". Ultra-Terrestrials. Most of them seem to be spiritual entities that are alive.

Paranormal spirits who are dead I do not call UT, as they seem to be to lack being alive, lack bodies, don't employ neither spiritual technology or physical technology...etc. They are just spiritual entities nothing more.

I do not know if I am grepping this correctly, but I feel like I am finally wrapping my mind around why you classify thing the way you do. It is a much more precise representation of what is going on. If I am correct you say ET because even though they may come from a different ground floor reality it is still a seperate and distinct reality with its own properties. It has its own bulk space or reality layers distinct from our own bulk space and reality layers. The bridge or translation gate is a construct between two or more realities. UT on the other hand exists within bulk space and does not have a ground floor persay and their reality is tied to the bulk space or reality layers of a distinct ground floor. They cannot and or do not have the capacity to bridge into another bulk space or ground floor reality.

[Ground Floor Reality A] --> [Bulk Space A] --> [Translation Gate] --> [Bulk Space B] --> [Ground Floor Reality B]

ET has access accross the entire path
UT can only occupy one of the Bulk Spaces
Humans have access to one side of the translation gate a single reality and portions of the bulk space attached to said reality.

The above if correct explains a lot in my own mind. It also raises some questions...

*WM*

WildMage
10-02-2014, 10:29 AM
Fore, does the influence field if enough of it is gathered into a confined area begin to act like a liquid?

Also when influence is passed thru the translation gates does it act like a plasma?

As it comes back out of the translation gate does it act like a vapor/gas, which then condenses or thru some process drops back down to a ground floor reality?

note I am not saying influence is liquid, plasma or gas but acting in similar manner as if it has these properties thru the transition. -- to me it is a baseline form of energy --- if i were to give it a overarching property I would say either tightly coupled to time or it is time in a energetic form... however this is wild guess on my part

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on a different note when changing time rate was this explained as something akin to a compression/decompression chamber?

WildMage
10-02-2014, 11:00 AM
[edit to add] -- let me rephrase this as influence is a form of energy we incorrectly perceive as time... time as we define it does not exist, however the energy field we interpret as time does.

Fore
10-02-2014, 07:36 PM
I am finally grepping what it is you are getting at. Different, but it is finally meshing into what I understand. I agree he is using a gravity model to explain his Bulk space and based on physics cannot let go of the curvature aspects expecting a warped field which can be traversed.

My own understanding lays along something more akin to what I term a field set configuration. A segment of the [mem]brane is shaped and then configured to hold certain properties at different points in the constsruct. What I was shown looked like points of different colored lights in a a semi-solid field which had been shaped into a crystal-like matrix. Changing the configuration would transmute matter/energy in the immediate space-time reality as they phased in and out of bulk space. The one representation which sticks out however was the transformation of a dark liquid like energy into matter. Vapor depositing like a 3-d printer whatever molecular structure was needed into the ground floor state.

I am pretty sure it was just my own mind translating what was going on in a colored light spectrum, but each molecular construct had it's own template or configuration.

========================= I am not familiar with anything like that.




I do not know if I am grepping this correctly, but I feel like I am finally wrapping my mind around why you classify thing the way you do. It is a much more precise representation of what is going on. If I am correct you say ET because even though they may come from a different ground floor reality it is still a seperate and distinct reality with its own properties.You got it. But that is only in the cases of Trans-dimensional ET's.

ET's who come from a separate spacetime "system". (a different reality)


It has its own bulk space or reality layers distinct from our own bulk space and reality layers. The bridge or translation gate is a construct between two or more realities. Yep, you got it.


UT on the other hand exists within bulk space and does not have a ground floor persay[...]I do not know. I have scanned the mind of [rather benevolent UT] when they make a rare appearance. Their place of origin is mysterious. For some UT it looks alot like Earth. Physical looking. Yet on other UT it is less like Earth and is more immaterial.

The reality they come from appears to be (my best guess) a quasi-composite reality.

https://www.google.com/search?q=quasi

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Their statements also allude to the notion that while the UT standing immediately in front of you appears to be humanoid, it is only (they stated) a purpose driven appearance. That different UT experience their own reality with different renditions.

Best guess, their origin reality doesn't function like ours. Best guess, [surprisingly] not unlike the bible sources, they appear to originate in a reality that is multi-layered. I am unsure if it is a case of different UT experiencing the same unified reality in different ways. Or if there are discretely different domains inside that one reality.

Another point that seems illusive. The limited descriptors I have been able to lift off their mind doesn't have any straightforward relationship to planetary bodies. So I am guessing the dimension they come from is not formed like stellar and cosmic bodies. If anything, it sounds like a dream-like reality.

I am sorry I don't have any more input than that. I can't make heads or tails out of the notions.

When you try to scan their memories, the length of time seems unending. The UT are more a mystery than the ET.



and their reality is tied to the bulk space or reality layers of a distinct ground floor. They cannot and or do not have the capacity to bridge into another bulk space or ground floor reality. No, I don't think their reality works that way. Not like ours. I do not know to be honest but it doesn't seem anything like ours.

Your statement would be true of other lifeforms like us who are in a separate spacetime continuum though.


[Ground Floor Reality A] --> [Bulk Space A] --> [Translation Gate] --> [Bulk Space B] --> [Ground Floor Reality B] You got the idea. But there is something I don't want to mislead you in. Separate phased-space and translation gates.

The reason why is because the ET descriptions of Translation Gates are more abstract as a process phenomena. It is not a spacetime phenomena. So while bulk space in that guys model is made into a very 3D adaptation. The real thing is much less 3D looking or functioning.

But if someone wanted to understand the chain of relationships between things, I guess your chain (while inaccurate) would be simple enough to get the idea across.


ET has access accross the entire path
UT can only occupy one of the Bulk Spaces
Humans have access to one side of the translation gate a single reality and portions of the bulk space attached to said reality.

The above if correct explains a lot in my own mind. It also raises some questions...

*WM*I do not think there is much of a difference between the UT and ET in terms of spacetime transference. Except one can do without the machines.

UT's seem to be able to bend the properties of spacetime through non-obvious....components...of their "fabric" I guess you could say.

ET seem to require the technological processes that are more obvious, logical and separate from their "fabric".

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I guess what I am trying to say is that the UT are a different kind of existence. The way they seem to operate is strangely unique. They do seem to possess knowledge but the knowledge isn't constructed in terms of the same kind of process technology as an ET would have it.

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I guess you need an analogy.

Lets say you have an ET and a UT standing next to a tree. They both want an apple hanging off a tree a thousand miles away.

The UT will intention it and appear at the other end and the apples falls into their hand.

The ET will have to scrounge up parts from all around to build a vehicle to take them to the tree and then figure out an effective way to bring it down.

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For either one, the entire process requires knowledge. Both need to know how to traverse the distance. Though ones mind is full of schematics for a vehicle and physics, the others mind is full or a different kind of discrete knowledge about how it's body's fabric can traverse distances with intention.

So the two are intelligent, but the formulation of knowledge is unique to each and different.

With one, the ET body is a lump of flesh that has to be adapted to get it across the distance. The other, the UT body itself is the facilitator of motion.

Fore
10-03-2014, 02:47 PM
Fore, does the influence field if enough of it is gathered into a confined area begin to act like a liquid? No, as far as I know it isn't a factor of solidity/liquidity plasma or gas.

It is a property of reality (at least this one). You should treat it as information that describes spacetime properties. If you compact the influence information "densely" together the data/information describing spacetime becomes gradually corrupted. Most of it (best that I know) is because the information itself is (depending on the pattern) prone to change due to several factors.

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For example, in chemistry, they show you that spacetime is really mostly made of space and a handful of particles. That if you combine elements together with varying degrees of heat or cold (and some catalysts) the changes in the composition of matter occur. (chemical changes)

If you perform even greater changes on the fundamental particles, (such as nuclear changes) then one material changes into another. (nuclear level changes)

You can also supposedly screw around with "zero point" energy and create particles from space itself as the current accepted idea is that space is constantly creating and destroying matter/energy. But that isn't to well defined in physics at the moment.

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Putting that to the side, the "influence" is an immaterial description of objects. It is like instruction code that defines and describes how materials and processes should behave. For more than one reason, the various kind of influence code is itself is vulnerable to changes if certain factors (something like rules in chemistry) are met.

From that we get "the paranormal" side effects within reality. As well as beneficial stuff like consciousness in living beings. Immaterial creatures manipulating material organic bodies and moving from one end of the world to the other...etc.

Apparently, if you compact the influence code very densely, errors begin to occur in spacetime, as the errors grow as distortions. If you take into account that this particular reality appears to have been purposely built from the beginning to support life forms from outside this spacetime...spiritual beings like you and me. Then, you have to assume that immaterial beings, like you and me, have been intended from the beginning to be able to affect physics within the bodies they control. To make it an effective experience.

All you do when you compact influence together is assure that the intended malleability of that code becomes increasingly more apparent.

The only thing psychics do is control the type and nuances of what the resulting distortion is. Sort of like a chemistry experiment but with a different mechanism for change.

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When you start to think of influence patterns (spacetime code) as a plasma, gas, solid or liquid. You sort of miss the basis of what influence actually is. Just code.


Also when influence is passed thru the translation gates does it act like a plasma? I don't know that it can be separated from this spacetime. So the answer to your question is I dunno.

I do know the Advisor mentioned once that teleportation (in science fiction) without accounting for the immaterial processes is going to turn out a corpse on the other end. She pointed that out when looking at one of the sci-fi programs on TV when I was still in elementary school.

So I assume that "translation gates" and the conversion process has to account for that.

I don't recall if it was her, but I recall one of the ET mentioning that end points have to be "compatible" with life. Meaning, you can't introduce something where you are going if it isn't supported. I don't recall which ET said that the ET scientist periodically build immaterial spacetime probes that travel elsewhere. I recall something I wrote on the forum about how the probes assess what that destination properties are and then report back. Letting them know (if it reports back) what is possible.

I recall one of the ET said not all spacetimes are compatible. (not transit-able)


As it comes back out of the translation gate does it act like a vapor/gas, which then condenses or thru some process drops back down to a ground floor reality? I don't know the answer to your question. I can tell you one thing though, that ETs in slightly "phased space" have access to the influence and they are perfectly conscious.

So there you go, a mystery.


note I am not saying influence is liquid, plasma or gas but acting in similar manner as if it has these properties thru the transition. -- to me it is a baseline form of energy --- if i were to give it a overarching property I would say either tightly coupled to time or it is time in a energetic form... however this is wild guess on my part I don't tend to think of it as any of the 4 states of matter. I also don't tend to think of it as a form of energy. (hence why you see me mostly use quotes when speaking of "psychic energy"...because that is how people see it. so for compatibility sake....shrug)


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on a different note when changing time rate was this explained as something akin to a compression/decompression chamber?They mostly referred to it as a syncing process. To be honest I wasn't aware they were out of sync until I noticed one day that the advisor (in my youth) seemed to have a hard time denoting the time.

When she and the other Grey Males sync'ed up with normal time, they could tell you what the time was down to the second. Honestly, I used her as my personal alarm clock for a long while after that. :D

From what I can guess, when out of sync in phased space, a day is about 1 minute in their time. So about 1 to 1400~.

Other times, their time rate seemed only slightly distorted but I didn't pay much attention to that back then. I do know from what the Advisor showed me that being in a phased state does not necessarily require a time distortion. They can pick and choose what type of effect they want when they are out of sync.

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For example, I asked her many times why she never got tired of standing when I was still young. She used to say that she can make herself weigh less even while standing. (which didn't make sense back then)

A couple of times, I noticed she would alter her settings for the phasing field around her. A few times I noticed her floating in a sitting position while waiting for me to wake up with her back towards me. (which was...odd to see an ET do that)

She later explained what she meant in earlier occasions and I came into the knowledge that their phasing field can affect how "the ground floor" physics affects them in more than one way.

Fore
10-03-2014, 03:12 PM
I also wanted to mention that since talking to Edgar Fouche a few days ago I had been thinking about an incident that happened many years ago when I was still in my teens.

What basically happened was (the ET I call the Advisor) her phasing field began to fail. At the time she let me know when I asked why she seemed distracted and agitated.

I don't want to reiterate the whole story, but I want to point out that while she was talking back and forth [telepathically] with the Grey Males who were above and nearby. I still recall I noticed that she called out to them to come pick her up with some abrupt instructions on where to set down.

Well as the moments passed, and from what I could tell was crossing her mind she was trying to fix it, the phasing field started progressively getting worse. Because the next thing I know I started getting pulled horizontally towards her as if gravity was pulling me towards her. In a fraction of a second I looked down trying to stop myself from falling forward towards her direction. I remember looking down at my legs because it was freaky to see your legs sliding forwards and no matter how far you lean back you just keep going forward. I also remember trying to grab on to a counter.

Anyway, looking down, I noticed a glass like bending of light. Like as if you were looking at a different direction even though your eyes were looking down.

The Advisor ran like a mad woman straight outside (all of this in like a span of...seconds) towards where she told them to meet her. I still remember loosely something crossing her mind as she ran about someone will see her. The only thing I still remember is thinking was how the hell did I just fall forward and what was that mirror like effect and what if I had fallen further towards her. Would I have been burned?

I remembered when thinking about Edgar Fouche topics recently that his links made me wonder something weird. What if the gravity wasn't from around her, but from inside her bubble?

All this time I had assume that the burst of gravity centered on her was because of some kind of lensing effect on the field around her.

But now I question, what if the sudden burst of gravity came from inside the bubble she was standing in? If they can make themselves weightless inside the phasing field (the bubble of modified space)...then what if what happened that day was a general failure of that thing she had on her that kept her phased out?

Because if that thing had made enough gravity to bend light, then I should have died right then and there. But I didn't...and I know that they don't need to use gravity to alter spacetime like our scientist imagine they would. So I have begun to wonder if what I was exposed to was the gravity that was inside the bubble she was standing in?

Is that how she knew the phasing field around her was failing?

Edit: By the way, 8:08am my left ear is ringing again. I guess something I am doing is generating a ton of checkups?

WildMage
10-07-2014, 09:41 AM
ok I've read and reread your response about 20 times trying to wrap my brain around it.

The following is just an attempt at putting it into a parallel framework I can understand.
I know it is probably feeble at best, needing multiple corrections, but hopefully it is close, just not precise.
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code --- is a transformation process executed against a set of information.

for example:

property set A as an input is transformed/translated into property set B as an output

property set A is state information which is derived from a measured action
property set A becomes executable when it matches up with transformation code/pathway binders
the code is a set of pathways, which trigger a change in the information state
property set B is the resulting state information of this transformation

translation gate = mapped template between A and B -- i.e the CPU
space-time = 1s and 0s raw data/information in a specific state/configuration representing a piece of composite reality
influence = code i.e instructions to move, pop, push, pull, flip, space-time

an entity needs to understand the translation gate or pathways to use influence in any meaningful manner
alternately an entity would need to understand how to construct their own translation gates
on the latter they would need the ability to read current space-time state and additionally understand the transformation process
overall an entity would need the ability to read and analyze the difference between various space-time states at an information level.

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self executing information, where the information is the code, and/or the code is information...

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Is ET able to isolate and work with segments of space-time so it co-exists alongside our current space-time in a different configuration?

Would an abduction technically be a transition between our current space-time and this isolated space-time?
Where the space-time the abductee transitions into has a separate set of properties.
Where this may or may not be configured to a separate rate of time as it relates to an experience of missing time?

Can ET engineer this space-time so it transitions into our own space-time at a molecular level at whatever point they need?
For instance to instil neurological effects in a subject?
Where the information being perceived is a chemical reaction releasing a set of emotions and memories?

*WM*

montalk
10-08-2014, 08:29 AM
When I enter into your system, (as the proverbial ET) the different streams of data become noticeable. I can take the conjoined / composite consciousness data and translate it through my own system. Either Higher in the loop of consciousness or lower in the loop of consciousness. (higher is usually what ET's choose) <-- important point


The majority of it was explained to be a filtering process governed by directives occurring higher in the loop of consciousness. Encoded data from the foreign host is retrieved through psychic means. Processed according to specific directives so that a translation table sitting between the lower loop and higher loop omits specific types of data. The experienced data at an organic level (and the lower loop) is then both accurate [properly formed] but lacks the data that causes the body or consciousness of the ET to experience 1:1 (1 to 1) physiological symptoms. (like a foreign emotion)


Thanks for explaining all that over the past few weeks. Well a couple questions came up while reading, so hopefully you can help shed some light on these issues:

The one part I was fuzzy on was the initial psychic reading or sampling of the target. You explained clearly what's done with the data afterward (Higher Mind, reduction/substitution/re-presentation, translation matrix, lower loop) but the process of acquiring the data in the first place I'm still not fully clear on.

So when ET wishes to view a target, it passes a directive up to the Higher Mind, and then the Higher Mind directs a portion of the ET's influence field to "plug into" the target's field? And this would be an EFM rather than IFM act?

Like, if you wanted to query the length of a table in inches (assuming you had everything calibrated to allow for this) then would the Higher Mind "just know" or would it need to "reach out" and sample the table in some way? (thus if the table were a living human being instead, the person would in some way be disturbed and might potentially notice being observed, whereas if the Higher Mind just knew, then he wouldn't).

I'm basically asking what's the difference between when an ET scans you and you know it (ear ringing, head feels weird, etc.) versus when you pretty much cannot. What's it doing differently... is it just a choice between high vs low resolution ESP? And (how) does physical proximity factor into this?

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On a related note, you once mentioned catching discarnates standing or leaning or hovering over you while sleeping, only you woke up before they could disconnect and therefore were able to freeze and examine them (if I remember correctly). I have also experienced them doing this to me, jacking into my system (middle of back and left side of head by the ears especially). A handful of times I caught them either during a dream when I became lucid and realized the foreign presence, or while waking up and sensing it around.

Now, what I've done in every case was focus really hard on them as if merging with them to a small degree or wrapping my beingness around them like a white blood cell around pathogen, and then when I had a firm grip on them I would charge myself up with a strong level of willpower, confidence, and control (while reaching for the sense of spiritual levity within and amping that up too) and it always has the effect of depolarizing them, and then they slink away like they're all weak and hurt. The best they could do in return (at first) was writhe and create a sensation of electrocution where they were attached to my body.

If it had been an ET, I doubt that would have worked. Maybe the sense of willpower/control would have impaired the ET's grip over my influence field, but from what you explained it doesn't seem like I'd be able to reverse the flow and affect the ET back using that trick.

Fore
10-11-2014, 06:47 PM
Thanks for explaining all that over the past few weeks. Well a couple questions came up while reading, so hopefully you can help shed some light on these issues:

The one part I was fuzzy on was the initial psychic reading or sampling of the target. You explained clearly what's done with the data afterward (Higher Mind, reduction/substitution/re-presentation, translation matrix, lower loop) but the process of acquiring the data in the first place I'm still not fully clear on.

So when ET wishes to view a target, it passes a directive up to the Higher Mind, and then the Higher Mind directs a portion of the ET's influence field to "plug into" the target's field? And this would be an EFM rather than IFM act?

I think the real question hidden in that question is what does the higher mind "see" or "experience" of the external world.

Unfortunately, I'd have to use a rough analogy since it would be pretty hard to discuss it otherwise.

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The easiest way to see the difference in higher vs lower mind observation is by pulling apart several subjects. (Which the ET helped me understand over quite a lot of questions I had over the years about how different things worked.)

First, lets affix one simple view in our imaginary landscape. If you take the 5 senses and reduce them to 2, you'll basically get a strong picture of what I want to convey. But lets see why we ignore the other three in our imagination.

Take a second and imagine yourself standing in white nothingness.

Taste usually only works as far as your tongue. Anything beyond that isn't possible. So imagine drawing a sphere of sensation in the periphery of your mouth.
Smell usually only works up to a few hundred feet, again you should then draw a sphere of sensation about 20 feet long surrounding you.
Touch usually only works within 1mm of the surface of your skin. Wind, heat, etc only get picked up in that tiny range.

So that is why I exclude them.

Sight picks up photo's bombarding the eye, basically draw two circles around the immediate eye sockets.
Hearing is basically the same, draw two circles around the immediate ears.

That is how most common biological senses work.

As you can tell it is basically all about what strikes or comes into contact with our senses that makes a picture of what is around us.

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ESP and what the higher mind sees has to be experienced in a different way.

Fore
10-11-2014, 07:26 PM
ESP and the Higher mind,

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The same imaginary whitespace, but this time we will add in what the higher mind sees (as if) it were a human sensation. Then we will peel away the human experience until we end up with a more real-to-life rendition. There are tons of variables so forgive me if I am not 100 percent in covering most aspects.

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If you imagine yourself standing in a whitespace of nothinness. Then imagine that your going to be filling in the data of what the higher mind experiences.

First things first, the majority of living people who aren't considered psychic are going to be limited to a very narrow experience in terms of ESP data. (the default setting)

POINT 1: The higher mind will mostly know what is happening inside of the human body. While most of that data is status data, a portion of that data is a facsimile of the lower experience. A copy of the visual, audioable, + 3 senses. As well as all the content derived from and through that: Thought data, cognitive processes, etc.

NOTE:
Meaning as an active psychic:
When you query for ESP data...as a psychic...for example, "What is the size of that table?"

It is going to compare what notions your lower mind has, at that moment, as to what you are referring to. Then compare that sensory data to what it natively sees at the ESP level. When the two different aspects of the same object at two different levels are identified, psychic action takes place.

It then draws parallels between what your -->[cognition: intent]<-- instructs and what is actually in that facsimile of sensory data + ESP data. (There are a few layers I omitted but you'll hopefully get it without the added details.)

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This is a not-obvious point I am going to make.

As a Non-psychic:

POINT 2: Consider for a moment that this collection of facsimile sensory data is like "phantom/illusory information" to the higher mind when there is nothing[at the ESP sensory level] to compare it to.
[a non-psychic rarely generates enough ESP data for there to be a comparison at the "higher mind" level]

When there isn't anything truly seen at the ESP level (because that person is non-psychic) the comparison fails and there is no psychic activity.

When someone non-psychic "tries" to affect some object (or it's properties) or gather some information at the ESP level about something external in the world at the physical level. The higher mind has nothing to compare or draw analogies to in the "phantom data". It simply "ignores" what happens in the cognition of the individual. Usually it also gives back a cognitive signal of a type of non-acknowledgement or "resistance" when there is nothing to compare to.

The "table" that exists in "the sensory data" from the body and the lower mind is not found within ESP data that the higher mind experiences.

Fore
10-11-2014, 08:02 PM
Going back to the whitespace imagination:

If you imagine what your higher mind sees as a non-psychic, it mostly sees what is happening inside the confines of the human body. In a number of people it also sees the immediate periphery of the human body.

The higher mind can easily draw parallels between what is occurring inside the immediate confines of the human body and what it "sees" at it's native level. It is why some beginner psychic can only affect their own body at the very beginning of their psychic experience. While later more advanced psychics can alter other peoples bodies far from them.

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Anyway, in the whitespace imagination you've created a human being standing in nothingness. You should fill in color inside the body of the imaginary person as if it were ESP data.

The [technical] truth is that even non-psychics do (very seldom) see ESP data through their higher mind. Often outside their bodies at sporadic times.

That carries on as you evolve as a psychic. This phenomena is pretty transient.

Due to instability in the higher mind and the influence structures embedded in the body, at times, the influence structure in our body refocuses on foreign influence outside the domain of the body. Meaning, that these invisible psychic structure(s) sporadically change reception at random times before resetting back to their normal settings.

During the sporadic refocus, the structures begin picking up on data that happens outside the body without the express intent of the lower mind. This leads to randomly picking up data from foreign influence sources not native to the body. It also seems to sometimes change the filtering settings at random and causes one to pick up ones own influence signal at different axis of time for a brief period of time.

Meaning, even a normal psychic can experience segments of the future or the thoughts of others (in a random focus) when the structures refocus sporadically on events outside the pattern of the living body.

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ET's usually referred to that phenomena as a "random walk". (mostly how I phrase it in English though)

In the imaginary whitespace you created in your imagination you can think of the "random walk" as a type of error where there shows up bubbles of reception at different distances from the human body. These bubbles of ESP reception randomly pick up data occurring at varying distances.

As I have been told, the "random walk" happens to ET's as well. So it appears to be a natural defect.

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I guess the most human way of expressing what a "random walk" is like....is when you pick up hinting thoughts/premonitions of what is going to happen in the next few hours thats forms as a transient thought.

Or when you fall asleep and you experience a segment of the future.

Or when you are standing around at work and you realize someone you know was thinking about something and then you mention it.

etc. ("random walk")

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When you get to advanced levels an ESP "random walk" is just when your influence structures occasionally focus in on events or objects that you didn't cognitively intend to occur. Sort of like random psychic targeting that happens on occasion. It usually is brief and usually only results in a transient pick up of an event nearby.

Fore
10-13-2014, 05:45 AM
Thanks for explaining all that over the past few weeks. Well a couple questions came up while reading, so hopefully you can help shed some light on these issues:

The one part I was fuzzy on was the initial psychic reading or sampling of the target. You explained clearly what's done with the data afterward (Higher Mind, reduction/substitution/re-presentation, translation matrix, lower loop) but the process of acquiring the data in the first place I'm still not fully clear on.

So when ET wishes to view a target, it passes a directive up to the Higher Mind, and then the Higher Mind directs a portion of the ET's influence field to "plug into" the target's field? And this would be an EFM rather than IFM act? From what I have seen time and time again, EFM is preferred 9 out of 10 times to an IFM for interfacing with a foreign field.

Chances are if they are touching you physically it is either A) because they have a "bad" focusing habit OR B) because they are using their IFM field.

Sort of like to heal someone or manipulate their field you don't need to actually lay hands on them. But most human being would if it helps them focus a bit easier on the target in question. A mental crutch or "bad" habit. Different ET's behave in different ways at an individual level.

Most tend to use EFM for it's flexible and intense nature from what I can see. IFM introduces a real risk that the person will be able to attain 1) identity information or 2) internal access to their internals if not isolated properly.


Like, if you wanted to query the length of a table in inches (assuming you had everything calibrated to allow for this) then would the Higher Mind "just know" or would it need to "reach out" and sample the table in some way? My previous explanation flushed out the missing pieces that you needed to know to be able to answer this question.

Your higher mind is paying attention to many things at the same time in a way that doesn't resemble the human [organic] mind. (well, if you are psychic and your IFM or EFM field is bleeding out into the external world. Meaning, beyond the confines of the human body.)

If you try to use your psychic abilities on something your higher mind is not "aware of" you'll feel resistance or a subtle refusal. If as a psychic someone isn't yet working with their higher components in terms of a communicative process. They may simply only feel a very basic type of resistance.

If you are aware of the table at an ESP level, if you have a good communicative process between your organic (lower mind) and the higher mind (inorganic) then when the directive (your cognition of intent) comes through. The higher mind will parse what you organic experience is of a table, compare that to what it knows of the table at the ESP level and executes an action.

If you don't have functional ESP nor even a functioning communicative process, the higher mind simply ignores everything. Then nothing happens except a subtle sign in the cognition of the individual that the intent is rejected or refused.


(thus if the table were a living human being instead, the person would in some way be disturbed and might potentially notice being observed, whereas if the Higher Mind just knew, then he wouldn't). What you really want to know is a chain of other interconnect pieces of information. (I am sorry I am slow these days in finishing up responses!)


I'm basically asking what's the difference between when an ET scans you and you know it (ear ringing, head feels weird, etc.) versus when you pretty much cannot. What's it doing differently... is it just a choice between high vs low resolution ESP? And (how) does physical proximity factor into this? Yeah, I thought thats what you were asking.

You and I need to discuss a few basic ideas to figure out what the difference is.

I am sorry if I am not the best at explaining. If you have any questions simply ask along the way.

Fore
10-13-2014, 06:14 AM
(thus if the table were a living human being instead, the person would in some way be disturbed and might potentially notice being observed, whereas if the Higher Mind just knew, then he wouldn't).


I'm basically asking what's the difference between when an ET scans you and you know it (ear ringing, head feels weird, etc.) versus when you pretty much cannot. What's it doing differently... is it just a choice between high vs low resolution ESP? And (how) does physical proximity factor into this?

The first question you need an answer to is a topic of entanglement and how interconnect centers actually work with the field around them.

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Think of the interconnect center as a sort of sensing device that exists at the influence level (and a bit at the spiritual level).

An interconnect center emits a specific configuration of influence. It's primary purpose is to basically pick up nuanced processes occurring all across the body. This information exists outside of any information derived from the biology of the body. In other words, it picks up information in a different manner than what the body organically pick up through nerves endings and processing occurring in the brain.

The ET's regularly referred to it as "status/state data".

So even if you had a doctor cut the nerves leading to an arm (without killing the arm), the influence that propagates out into the now [biologically] numb arm is still sending status data. Even if you can't physiologically feel what is happening because the arms nerves have been cut leaving it numb. The higher mind and upper loop components still know what the influence embedded in the skin of that arm is doing and what it's current status is.

Thats one discrete bit of info.

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There is another bit of info being encoded in the influence pattern infused in the skin, meat and bones. Influence centers embedded throughout the living body flush patterned influence that also hold identity information. Most of the identity information is generated after a living thing, thinks, breathes and experiences itself and the world around it. This encoded data streams from head to toe. (and then some, into clothes etc.)

How you think and behave as a living being is encoded in the living influence and gets flushed around endlessly. Cycling from head to toe. This infusion of an ID specific to that living being becomes part of the code of it's influence.

"Thought data" ("status data" occurring around the head) mixes with that and so do quite a few other types of data. Including recent memory status data (which isn't actually memory by the way).

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Note: I should disentangle the memory thing while I am at it. Technically it's not memory being recorded. It is technically "status data" that carried specific details of a process occurring at any moment that the higher mind can play back as if it were a memory. It is a very exact duplicate of what actually happened as state data when the brain was "thinking".

There are two discrete stages in ET lessons. The type that resides in the field as if it were a cache of recent experiences. Then there is the long term recording which is completely stored in the immaterial, higher in the loop. This latter type normally won't ever be played back at the lower end of the loop of consciousness.

Okay, I think that is deep enough. Now to answer your question.

Fore
10-13-2014, 06:52 AM
(thus if the table were a living human being instead, the person would in some way be disturbed and might potentially notice being observed, whereas if the Higher Mind just knew, then he wouldn't). There are various methods to scanning someone.

The most obvious is passive vs active mind reading.

The best I have figured it out, the passive mind reading is basically when you connect to that persons field and you capture random bits of status data and then play it back in your own body.

Like passively listening to someones recent cache of experiences. The cache of status data that still resides in the ambient field inside and outside them.

Active mind is reading is actually hijacking their influence field and sending commands invisibly so that a persons field becomes [partially] under your control. Whereas the native individual spirit has access to the lower mind and all it's integral parts (including the influence field)...hijacking that persons field cuts that native spirit out of the loop and accesses their lower mind as if it were a remotely controlled body.

You don't need to control their movements of even their thought process. All you really need is control of the influence centers that can receive influence directives and act on them appropriately. So the functions governing memory embedded in living tissue is brought up and then gets re-encoded as status data, which you then pick up and play back on your end. = Active Mind reading.

The problem of course is, that if you use your IFM field to do active mind reading then that field you emit over a distance has your personal ID. The influence center at the other end will then recognize that you are a "Foreign" ID. When that status ID gets picked up and goes through numerous processes (which I won't even touch on) the upper loop becomes aware that a "Foreign" ID is accessing the human body.

There is then a recognition that: "Hey, someone from outside of me is reading my mind. Spooky action at a distance."

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The way to mitigate that type of problem is to omit the ID, and edit most other identifiers or things that would set off a real noticeable recognition that something is accessing you other than your own self.

For example, if you remove things in the field that would be noticed like:
--Foreign memories encoded in the field
--Foreign ID encoded in the field
--Foreign body status data

ETC..

Then your internal field would simply acknowledge the foreign commands and barely make you alert that something strange is happening inside you at a psychic level. Your system would not recognize something worth alarming itself.

The most you would feel is the dense influence fields effects on your body as it accesses your influence centers and the neurological or sensory functions.

So in other words, you might have a mild headache from the foreign field but you wouldn't notice much else. (ear ringing maybe?)


I'm basically asking what's the difference between when an ET scans you and you know it (ear ringing, head feels weird, etc.) versus when you pretty much cannot. What's it doing differently... is it just a choice between high vs low resolution ESP? And (how) does physical proximity factor into this?

Hopefully that answers this part of your question.

If it doesn't make sure to ask me something. Looks like no one is looking over my shoulder if you know what I mean.

Fore
10-13-2014, 07:10 AM
On a related note, you once mentioned catching discarnates standing or leaning or hovering over you while sleeping, only you woke up before they could disconnect and therefore were able to freeze and examine them (if I remember correctly). I have also experienced them doing this to me, jacking into my system (middle of back and left side of head by the ears especially). A handful of times I caught them either during a dream when I became lucid and realized the foreign presence, or while waking up and sensing it around. Yes, mostly because back then I could snap out of a sleep cycle extremely fast as compared to how fast they could disconnect.

I was using my own influence field back then to control how different aspects work. So forcing a sleep to end abruptly without gradually waking up seemed to work. Looks like normally from a dream ending to you waking up it seemingly takes about 15 minutes or so. Giving them enough time to disconnect and walk away. But if you interrupt the process artificially and forcing it, you can wake up within 30 seconds or less.

"Freezing them in place" is just more like exploiting their own exposed influence field to keep them locked up mentally. Takes considerable effort and concentration to prevent them that way while we are connected. Paranormals types are not as educated as an ET when it comes to execution of a task.


Now, what I've done in every case was focus really hard on them as if merging with them to a small degree or wrapping my beingness around them like a white blood cell around pathogen, and then when I had a firm grip on them I would charge myself up with a strong level of willpower, confidence, and control (while reaching for the sense of spiritual levity within and amping that up too) and it always has the effect of depolarizing them, and then they slink away like they're all weak and hurt. The best they could do in return (at first) was writhe and create a sensation of electrocution where they were attached to my body. I have noticed them writhe because the advantage we have as living beings (and add to that as psychics) is that we output a stronger influence control signals than most paranormals normally would.

You rarely hear about a paranormal keeping a living person suppressed for more than a minute. If even that.

I don't do that anymore. Lately, I just pray in a dream and put in a request and almost immediately someone else intervenes outside the scope of the dream. Making them lock up, writhe in a state of paralysis and incapacitates the entity etc.

Something else (God or UT) takes over and takes care of the issue and terminates the control they had. Then in real life upon waking up they either scram or some UT shows up and takes it somewhere else.


If it had been an ET, I doubt that would have worked. Maybe the sense of willpower/control would have impaired the ET's grip over my influence field, but from what you explained it doesn't seem like I'd be able to reverse the flow and affect the ET back using that trick.

I agree it wouldn't likely have worked, but still worth trying if you ever get the chance. ET's are prone to panic when things go wrong.

I do recall as a little kid I tried to affect the ET Males (Grey members) like I tried with the paranormals. They would seemingly experience pain and would sternly warn me not to continue doing that. Not exactly what I had hoped, but if they are sensitive it seems to affect them to some light degree.

Fore
10-18-2014, 05:46 PM
I just learned yesterday that not all angels have that loving aura around them. Apparently some are different than others. They still have that purity sensation in them but the loving vibe is seemingly not present. Probably a different class of entity.

I also learned that Demons are aware of when an Angel is about to arrive. At least several 10's of seconds in advance of their arrival. I am unsure as to how they would know though.

I should also add that regular non-demonic (though malevolent) types of ghosts/phantoms seem to [openly] feel threatened when you are trying to push them out. Probably the correct word is to banish them.

I also noted that the Angel I encountered seemed to be sent as a response to my request for intervention. But the entity seemed unable to properly manifest verbal communication in the scope of my mind. It came out very cut up and I had to somewhat halfway "guess" what was on it's mind from what little I did know.

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I also have a growing hypothesis that is gaining more merit each day that the only reason why I can sense a certain class of entities with more ease, seems to mainly be because I have latent energy from those types still inside the confines of my body. So it appears that heightens my receptivity/sensitivity.

I noticed today that I couldn't sense other living human patterns in the people around me anymore. A very disturbing insight/realization. Nor could I sense the living presence of my pets while I had a blindfold on. It's as if my psychic abilities have finally shut down enough that I don't perceive their field anymore.

I did some tests while blindfolded to figure out why I couldn't notice the person standing next to me. I tired turning "on" some of my psychic control structures and that I could feel. I also noticed (for the thousandth time?) that the other persons psychic control structures also simultaneously became active. I could sense their psychic control structure but still had significant trouble sensing their field.

I still wonder about why exactly our psychic control structures simultaneously become active? I assume it has to do with my signal disturbing their field somehow. I am unsure if it is because my patterns are still in their body and if those fragments from years ago are still responding to my signal. Or if it is because of proximity?

whoknows
10-18-2014, 07:39 PM
I don't usually get involved with this thread, I think because of nomenclature more than anything, though I do always read with interest.

The thing that caught my eye was the sensing others patterns. I find attempting to do so, for me anyway tends to confuse the over all picture. Just and aside here as I think it has some relevance. I was having a very pleasant conversation with a young lady and suddenly she said please stop looking into my soul, my immediate response was how would you know I was looking into your soul unless you were not doing so as well? So yeah I think we carry many things we share on a deeper level with others, within us after the fact, forever if you will, as we can not un-meet once met.

I'd like to ask why you want to turn something that you have a propensity for, off? I ask because I found over the years that I have modified my perceptions to see more clearly what I want to see. That being group dynamics more than individual as observing individual on a large scale just got to be too complex and unwieldy, unless of course you might be seeking a closer personal contact in which case I will carefully lower my own shielding as it were, but I have never attempted to shut anything down.

Fore
10-22-2014, 04:27 PM
I don't usually get involved with this thread, I think because of nomenclature more than anything, though I do always read with interest.

The thing that caught my eye was the sensing others patterns. I find attempting to do so, for me anyway tends to confuse the over all picture. Just and aside here as I think it has some relevance. I was having a very pleasant conversation with a young lady and suddenly she said please stop looking into my soul, my immediate response was how would you know I was looking into your soul unless you were not doing so as well? So yeah I think we carry many things we share on a deeper level with others, within us after the fact, forever if you will, as we can not un-meet once met. Gathering information about someone through their patterns usually wouldn't confuse the picture for me. More or less it details the picture.

But I grok what you meant. I found that sometimes the details don't amount to the totality of what that a person actually is. People aren't always the sum of their parts.


I'd like to ask why you want to turn something that you have a propensity for, off? I ask because I found over the years that I have modified my perceptions to see more clearly what I want to see. That being group dynamics more than individual as observing individual on a large scale just got to be too complex and unwieldy, unless of course you might be seeking a closer personal contact in which case I will carefully lower my own shielding as it were, but I have never attempted to shut anything down.I basically gave up an evolution that wasn't mine to begin with.

They experimented on me, looking back I realized that while I did have a fascination for everything I went through, I wasn't able to have the freedom to do anything with any of it. As a result of partial success the people who put "this cup" in front of me...did it soley for their own purposes. They (the ET) restricted what I could do with any of it to such an intolerant degree that none of it was useful with those kinds of restrictions. It never really helped positively in my life. In fact, it usually caused other [secondary] paranormal problems that as a result were pretty devastating. Every new thing or talent was (as a result) "always shelved" because there was "no purpose" and no "liberty" to it other than the experimentation. (as far as I can tell)

So you'd learn alot of interesting things, but in the end you aren't allowed to use it. So what was at first a curiosity and a fascination becomes a chore. Everything about the learning and development process was limiting and worst of all, isolating as a result. I'd see lots of things and experience lots of things that I was absolutely sure alot of other human being hadn't seen or felt before. So what? I couldn't share or talk about it. I was always being scrutinized and observed to make sure I didn't do anything with any of it as a result of learning.

As times went on, you lose the luster of the entire experience. It loses it's purpose in my eyes. I learned XX number of things and they were very frustrating and time consuming efforts. But in the end what did I reap? Any benefits? No, it just got shelved in the back of my mind as yet another full success, partial success or outright failure. A curiosity I could use with the ET's openly but never be of use outside of that narrow experimentation.

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If I were to take a few months and turn everything back on and went back to old routines, you can be sure the ET would be back to control the situation.

Giving up is the only practical choice one has left. It's too much trouble and definitely not worth it. Losing those things is like gouging out a part of your senses and stooping down for the rest of your life. But even that is better than the alternative. Freedom [without restriction] and happiness [of your own making] is something that calls out to me.

I had written a VERY long response for you, detailing blow by blow why I made these decisions. Then, I decided I'd prefer no one ask me too many questions about it.

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I turned to God for help in my life a long time ago, He answered with a simple choice. Give it up and He'd help restore things to the way they were. It took some (significant time) but I eventually came around both emotionally and mentally and most importantly in the desire department.

My time was wasted effort developing these things, trying to please someone else and in the end they proved to have no useful purpose in the circumstances they came about in.

God simply asked me to do one thing, decide and commit to it, that is it. In return He would restore everything (and progressively has). When I finally came to terms with the situation I figured out what I really wanted. Part of that entails simply disabling advanced features in my time spent with the ET. Like cutting away something that is linked to my time with the ET. The advanced consciousness, the abilities, the relationships with the ET, etc. Everything had to be cut off.

A few simple rules the Angels (UT types) laid out helped with the paranormal trouble. They pointed out not to talk to the paranormal types and to call out for God when they showed up. They would take care of the rest. And they did. I had to abandon the use of abilities and keep restraining my abilities until they became inactive. That would supposedly help the situation. And it did.

They (UT types) also said that if the ET types turned up, I should contact them and they would intervene/mediate/block/stand-in-between them and me. I was told they always had someone nearby watching what took place nearby.

When the ET would scan my mind because I had said something I shouldn't have, I did what I had been told to do, they [UT] did show up and (though I don't know how) put themselves between me and the [ET] problem. It hasn't escalated into a down on the ground encounter since that time. Though a few projected intrusions, nothing really big happens anymore. I don't know what the story is behind that, or how they do it, but if it works I don't really care.

I should also point out the UT types ask me during these events not to provoke the interventions and simply stop talking about the accounts from prior events. I still haven't figured out how to go cold turkey. But it's getting there.

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I have a alot of reasons to give up on the past. I am just working through it and as time goes on, the past has less bearings on the future I want to create.

Honestly, I don't want to give anyone the wrong impression that just a decision without some backing is all that it takes. If the UT or God weren't there to support that decision of mine, and give various kinds of proper advice and point out the bad behaviors. I would still be embroiled in the same circumstances.

So I openly give credit where credit is due. God can work [amazing] miracles even in situations where you think it is utterly hopeless. He's been untangling my situation like a tangled cord for a while now. I couldn't have done that by myself, even if I had made the decision without His help, it wouldn't have amounted to anything.

God and the UT have been kind, supportive, sometimes kinda stern but always constructive. The ET peddlers and their form of testing various implementations of "an evolution" is anything but useful and helpful. Be wary when they eventually perfect it and try to peddle it openly to society...someday in the future.

whoknows
10-22-2014, 07:57 PM
Thanks for that very thoughtful response, and forgive me as I think I just hadn't paid enough attention and caused to go over subject matter that you had already covered.

I often think how can I really get a clear picture of others when I still am changing at such a rate that I don't wholly "grok" my self.

As to the rest of what you had to say, the word that seems most appropriate is, Namaste, though I wouldn't want that to be taken the wrong way,(the words we speak with our mouths or write with our hands seem so weak and banal at times) as you have written, our commonality of experiences converge and diverge, or something to that effect. Yet as I have said before this is an embryonic journey more than and evolutionary one. We I believe are metastasizing rather than evolving, at least for those that chose that path. Many will think the evolutionary path to be the right way, though that may be the great danger. What more dangerous a lie than one that mirrors the truth.

But then again, evolution or trans humanism may be the way many will have to go... Who am I to judge. Can't help but feel that, that will be a very cold place rather than hot, but then intense cold makes skin feel as though it's burning.

"Freedom [without restriction] and happiness [of your own making] is something that calls out to me." Yup and the infinity that stretches out before us demands these thing. May they always be yours!

montalk
10-23-2014, 07:55 AM
POINT 1: The higher mind will mostly know what is happening inside of the human body. While most of that data is status data, a portion of that data is a facsimile of the lower experience. A copy of the visual, audioable, + 3 senses. As well as all the content derived from and through that: Thought data, cognitive processes, etc.

NOTE:
Meaning as an active psychic:
When you query for ESP data...as a psychic...for example, "What is the size of that table?"

It is going to compare what notions your lower mind has, at that moment, as to what you are referring to. Then compare that sensory data to what it natively sees at the ESP level. When the two different aspects of the same object at two different levels are identified, psychic action takes place.

It then draws parallels between what your -->[cognition: intent]<-- instructs and what is actually in that facsimile of sensory data + ESP data. (There are a few layers I omitted but you'll hopefully get it without the added details.)

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This is a not-obvious point I am going to make.

As a Non-psychic:

POINT 2: Consider for a moment that this collection of facsimile sensory data is like "phantom/illusory information" to the higher mind when there is nothing[at the ESP sensory level] to compare it to.
[a non-psychic rarely generates enough ESP data for there to be a comparison at the "higher mind" level]

When there isn't anything truly seen at the ESP level (because that person is non-psychic) the comparison fails and there is no psychic activity.

When someone non-psychic "tries" to affect some object (or it's properties) or gather some information at the ESP level about something external in the world at the physical level. The higher mind has nothing to compare or draw analogies to in the "phantom data". It simply "ignores" what happens in the cognition of the individual. Usually it also gives back a cognitive signal of a type of non-acknowledgement or "resistance" when there is nothing to compare to.

The "table" that exists in "the sensory data" from the body and the lower mind is not found within ESP data that the higher mind experiences.

Thanks for the explanations, all made sense except for the part above. I read it a bunch of times but still had some confusion about semantics. There were a couple ways I could interpret what you wrote, and wasn't sure which one or which parts of the following interpretation is correct:

A) In a non-psychic, the Higher Mind sees things natively at its own ESP level just fine, but it doesn't act on any instructions from the lower mind because the non-psychic person is unable to generate the necessary facsimiles that the Higher Mind can understand and compare with its own native ESP awareness of things.

B) In a non-psychic, the Higher Mind is relatively blind. It only has ESP data about what goes on within the person's body and sometimes surroundings, but is unable to perceive anything regarding places far away, in the future, in other people's minds and bodies... Meaning the person has to first become psychic to generate the influence fields needed to probe those additional areas in order to generate the ESP data that the Higher Mind needs in order to examine them and relay that info back down to the lower mind.


I just learned yesterday that not all angels have that loving aura around them. Apparently some are different than others. They still have that purity sensation in them but the loving vibe is seemingly not present. Probably a different class of entity.


Did you notice a functional difference between this and the others? Like how angels are said to be different from archangels; some say angels are more nurturing/guiding and archangels more oriented toward battling evil.

Fore
10-24-2014, 04:18 PM
Thanks for the explanations, all made sense except for the part above. I knew that part was going to cause trouble. I had already re-sequenced the paragraphs and cleaned it up about 7 times. I decided to just let it ride even though it rolls off the tongue like a giant boulder. So I am not surprised you had trouble with it. I also noticed just now I could have changed a word or two to make it easier to understand.



I read it a bunch of times but still had some confusion about semantics. There were a couple ways I could interpret what you wrote, and wasn't sure which one or which parts of the following interpretation is correct:

A) In a non-psychic, the Higher Mind sees things natively at its own ESP level just fine, but it doesn't act on any instructions from the lower mind because the non-psychic person is unable to generate the necessary facsimiles that the Higher Mind can understand and compare with its own native ESP awareness of things.

B) In a non-psychic, the Higher Mind is relatively blind. It only has ESP data about what goes on within the person's body and sometimes surroundings, but is unable to perceive anything regarding places far away, in the future, in other people's minds and bodies... Meaning the person has to first become psychic to generate the influence fields needed to probe those additional areas in order to generate the ESP data that the Higher Mind needs in order to examine them and relay that info back down to the lower mind.

B is correct.

Option A is wrong because you wrote it backwards.

"but it doesn't act on any instructions from the lower mind because the non-psychic person is unable to generate the necessary ESP data that the Higher Mind can understand and compare with its own native ESP awareness of things."

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Some [complicated details] worth pointing out.

Point 1:
ESP data in the higher loop, in it's native pre-translation table format, should usually be seen and understood as being non-spatial.
Sensory body data coming from the lower loop [the organic body] is usually formed as spatial data.

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Point 2:
Sensory data created by the organic body in the lower loop is ONLY considered "phantom sensory data" when the higher loop segment is unable to compare it to ESP data seen higher in the loop.

No comparison = phantom data

Keep in mind that these analogies are ET derived. Human beings usually see things from a body-centric point of view. (Lower Loop Consciousness)
Most ET see things from the perspective of the Higher Loop of Consciousness. Which is not usually body-centric.

So it is a top --> down for an ET.
For a human being it is bottom --> up

Saying that ESP data is missing and therefore a comparison can't be drawn with normal organic body based data is usually only something you would see in a non-psychic. The term "phantom data" therefore refers to a condition where the organic body (in the lower loop segment) perceives something which is not perceived in the higher loop segment. To the higher mind the lower mind perception is therefore "phantom data".

It is perceived materially, but not perceived immaterially.

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Point 3:
Psychic activity fails when the higher mind can't [literally] see or perceive what it is doing.
Even if the human body and mind sees things in the lower loop, it means literally nothing when the higher loop can't perceive the same event at it's own level.

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Point 4:
Psychic activity becomes possible when comparisons can be drawn between what the lower loop perceives and the higher loop perceives. When the two work together we call that psychic activity.

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Point 5:
ESP data in the "upper loop" (higher mind) is more important than Body-based (organic) sensory data when performing psychic phenomena. You can discard or have sensory data absent, most of the time, but you cannot discard ESP data when performing psychic activity.
[This is an advanced and very non-obvious topic]
ET can perform complicated psychic tricks such as backfilling remote spatial data to augment the psychic process. It's a post all in itself (or a couple of pages at least).

Fore
10-24-2014, 05:33 PM
Did you notice a functional difference between this and the others? Actually I did, but only mentally. From the way I sensed it when I had the blindfold on, it seemed like it had a different purpose. I might be wrong in this.

I only know that (for sure) there are different kinds of UT. I have also noticed that some UT are about as capable of psychic feats as any normal person. While others (I might be wrong) seem to be in a different class. Maybe there are different types for specific purposes? The bible says that, but I am going by what I see rather than what the bible points out.

I can only tell you for certain it seemed to perform the same measures as the others, but it was different in the way it behaved. I know a long while ago I accessed one of the UTs mind and noticed that it had some information in it's mind about different types for different purposes.

So I think I have to say I just don't know yet. It's not the first time I have seen unique behaviors in a UT.


Like how angels are said to be different from archangels; some say angels are more nurturing/guiding and archangels more oriented toward battling evil.Perhaps that is the case, that one felt like "a soldier" (I guess) rather than your typical UT with the good feelings emanating from it.

I doubt that was an "archangel" though as I have noticed on extremely rare occasions *very large* UT who definitely aren't within the range of human proportions. Like the size of a moving sky scrapper. (No, I am not crazy, it is VERY rare but I have noticed it once or twice in my life a very long time ago.)

So I suppose that UT from that night is something perhaps more orientated to some kind of "field troop" rather than those who are more amiable. It was strange to see a UT that couldn't communicate effectively. I don't know if it is because I am broken or if it is just a UT type that doesn't really have a need to talk directly to a human being? Dunno. Many questions and few answers.

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I can tell you though that there are UT who could definitely pass muster as archangels. Some of the extremely rare times I have had the scary opportunity to be aware of them was when a regular human sized angel had given me a sort of "healing energetic transfusion". Because of that I momentarily saw a brightness in the sky even though it was night. The transfusion seemed to allow me to see their spectrum or something.

I witnessed/sensed a vivid brightness in the distant sky. It wasn't like looking at the sun, it was large covered about 40 to 50 degrees of the sky. I was told that brightness is the "sight of God" by the angel who performed the healing transfusion.

From that brightness, slightly offset inside the brightness you could perceive intense entities speaking with such an incredible level of intensity. It was like hearing a vivid voice that was incredibly intense and rang in your head like as if it were a train horn or a voice so poundingly vivid and loud that it was like a thunderclap that carried a voice in it. The beings surrounding the inside of the brightness identified themselves as Angels from inside the brightness.

Different beings inside the brightness said that they were going to shut out my sight of God, that I wasn't worthy to see what I was looking at. Not all of them had the thundering voice. But you could tell they were on a level all their own. The angel standing next to me at that time many years ago, couldn't hold a candle to those incredible beings.

Before they shut out what I was seeing one of the voices inside the brightness said that they weren't doing it because God hated me or anything. I just wasn't worthy of looking and a few other things.

This was before I had really known what the bible was about. So I can't make up what I didn't know. If anything, back then it was a bizarre insight into the UT. I think what I saw standing in the brightness was some kind of command hierarchy that tells the Angels in our domain what to do. I tried looking around in the Bible to see if there were any references to the brightness. At a glance, the best example I found was in the Book of Enoch. The segment where the fallen angels are ashamed of their actions and won't look up at the sight of God. There might be other references though.

I can probably assume at least some of those beings standing off to the side in the brightness were archangels. While others were probably intermediaries. I dunno.

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The one from those last nights is the type of UT you encounter when you ask for a direct intervention or they are punishing someone who has really deserved it.

I recall I have met one other like it who had a very similar profile, a couple of years ago, probably around 2004 when one of them was punishing a former neighbor I lived with at the time. The woman came home and was vomiting violently and couldn't stand up for very long. One of my family members asked me to see if I could alleviate her symptoms back then with my ability to modify her field.

I recall I inspected her field and noticed someone else with extremely good control affecting her field. When I traced the origin of the phenomena I noticed it was coming from overhead. When the UT/Angel noticed me notice it, it warned me not to interrupt it. It said back then that the woman was being punished for what she was going to do. It had been told to do this to her.

It said if I interfered with it's effort it would do the same with me. Not angrily that I recall, just very stern and straightforward. I simply observed the woman vomiting away because it identified itself as an Angel doing it's job. I automatically know not to get in the way when they show up.

Apparently the woman was jealous of one of my family members and didn't want her to go out for the night with a family friend. So she pretended to be sick a few hours later and escalated the lie by calling for an ambulance later that night. When the paramedics weren't there I scanned her again and noticed that there wasn't anything at all wrong with her. She was perfectly fine energetically and physically. Her field was in it's normal state despite everything the UT did a few hours earlier.

When the paramedics came into the room I handed her over to them and they came to the same conclusion after running various tests. Nothings wrong with her.

A while afterwards a different Angel pointed out why the entire incident happened when I asked what that was about and told me what she was actually like. They gave me the backstory as to what happened and why she was being punished. I was told that the ambulance that had been occupied at the residence she lived at was needed elsewhere for another victim. But it wasn't there where it was needed because she had faked an illness.

A sort of memo was sent from above their paygrade to strike her with an intense discomfort in the hours leading up to her act.

etc etc.

Some months later after those incidents. I learned that everything they had said about her was spot on. She is extremely malevolent even for a living person. Bad upbringing I guess.

She was one of the few people on this earth that knew I had psychic abilities and actually enjoyed showing them off in front of her. (not that the Grey members appreciated any of it)

Eventually she (bad idea) went to other neighbors and her own family to tell them about what I could do and did every day. LOL, they really thought she had lost the plot. (good for me)

Even though she was twice my age back then, she was pretty unsettled when I read her mind all the time without effort. Hell, I even read her grown childrens minds from several states away. I told her alot of things which she would then ring up her children to confirm what I leaked to her. She had lots to be paranoid about. I still vaguely remember her own son living in california getting mad at her for somehow finding out about his secrets.

Or how the many of her family members got into uproars with each other (LOL) when they tried to figure out where their secrets leaked out from. Near the end the woman turned her malicious side towards me and the rest of my family. She would get red hopping mad when I told her what the future was like for her even though she wanted to know.

Just like the internet folks she swore up and down that I was "of the devil" near the end of living with her. Because she didn't particularly like hearing the truth or even like someone constantly peering and knowing so many things.

The house she lived in was later abandoned several times because of the influence output I used in 2004 was pretty intense. It unfortunately brought in the paranormal by the droves. I don't recall exactly how many months after we left her to her own devices that she tried to get rid of the property and have someone pay the mortgage. Everyone who lived there was constantly experiencing paranormal activity that eventually no one wanted to be there even when they didn't have to pay any rent.

After a time she went back there after it was abandoned as a property no one wanted to live in, just like I had told her a year and five months prior, she was losing the house in February of 2006. She went to all the neighbors and told them about me probably out of spite. Mixed in with plenty of lies. Though what I found funny is that some actually believed her. I still wonder how she pulled that off and got a few to believe her story.

I even wonder how that conversation started without her sounding absolutely nuts.

Sorry for the tangent, went down a trip through memory lane.

Fore
10-27-2014, 11:15 PM
ok I've read and reread your response about 20 times trying to wrap my brain around it. I can say the same about your recent post. I literally can't understand how to even figure out what is being asked....yet. ;)


The following is just an attempt at putting it into a parallel framework I can understand.
I know it is probably feeble at best, needing multiple corrections, but hopefully it is close, just not precise.
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code --- is a transformation process executed against a set of information.

for example:

property set A as an input is transformed/translated into property set B as an output

property set A is state information which is derived from a measured action
property set A becomes executable when it matches up with transformation code/pathway binders
the code is a set of pathways, which trigger a change in the information state
property set B is the resulting state information of this transformation The best I can guess, you are trying to understand what encoded influence information is, or how it works, or you are trying to break it down into simpler concepts?

Your wording and definitions are "slightly off the mark" every few sentences so that is probably the culprit.

The above seemed to be aimed at you trying to understand influence state data or it's configurations. While the next segment below seemed to be your attempt to understand physical processes in spacetime. Loosely connected, but you have to be careful with how you phrase things.




translation gate = mapped template between A and B -- i.e the CPU
space-time = 1s and 0s raw data/information in a specific state/configuration representing a piece of composite reality
influence = code i.e instructions to move, pop, push, pull, flip, space-time

an entity needs to understand the translation gate or pathways to use influence in any meaningful manner
alternately an entity would need to understand how to construct their own translation gates
on the latter they would need the ability to read current space-time state and additionally understand the transformation process
overall an entity would need the ability to read and analyze the difference between various space-time states at an information level.

Lets work on this segment so we can hash out where the issues might be.

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property set A as an input is transformed/translated into property set B as an output

property set A is state information which is derived from a measured action
property set A becomes executable when it matches up with transformation code/pathway binders
the code is a set of pathways, which trigger a change in the information state

Basically what this tiny section you wrote up, seems to be about how interactions occur with influence code. Like I wrote to montalk, it is a type of non-physical chemistry. That is the easiest way to understand it. Very similar in principle.

Influence Code A tends to perpetually cycle until it comes into contact with Influence Code B. The two codes sometimes settle alongside one another naturally and the interference (or as I refer to it "entaglement") is negligible between two types of influence code. There are different kinds of reactions between these various types of code. For the most part, the code is itself pretty stable by default.

Influence code A can affect Influence code B without the changes being materialized as a physical event. Some changes are relatively "benign" or not obvious if you are only looking at the results in a physical spacetime setting where objects with specific dimensions reside.

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That is an extremely brief view of immaterial physics. ("influence code" / "influence patterns")
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Human bodies (and other living things) have seemingly spiritual components that can modify and change overtones in this influence code.

Sometimes the differences induced at the influence level by a living being is relatively small. Such as a re-sequencing of a synapse firing in the brain in a particular sequence. That is why the ET refer to influence center control structures as a form of coordinator. It controls the symphony of the physical body and it's tiny processes so that it is ~relatively~ in sync with the immaterial side that controls it.

For example, will yourself to think about more than one thought while reading this, that is what your influence control structures in your head just did right now. You can experience a "consciousness" and actively control it through those structures. Psychics are just people who figure out how to amplify these changes to a degree where they are not just controlling sequences of brain activity. When this internal influence spills out beyond the confines of the body, it actually allows a living being some control of exterior influence code that is foreign to the body. That is what a psychic boils down to.

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Alot of people don't know that, so they only have extremely passive control over their own thoughts and everything attached to that. That is the extent to which they have used their influence control structures.

Something like an ET has learned to harness what the influence control structures in a living being can do and put it to a useful use. Culminating with everything from psychic activity to controlling foreign processes outside the confines of their own body.
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What you are trying to understand is basically, how immaterial physics actually works. What the different components do in a living system. Etc.

To tell you that, it is a bit difficult because we both can only relay on written words and normal concepts that you've learned while growing up.
I have to draw parallels to what you already know or currently understand and build it up into a coherent (and most importantly: accurate) understanding.

Fore
10-27-2014, 11:16 PM
I am suddenly feeling extremely drowsy for some reason. So I will be back when I get some rest.

WildMage
10-30-2014, 09:08 AM
I can say the same about your recent post. I literally can't understand how to even figure out what is being asked....yet. ;)

The best I can guess, you are trying to understand what encoded influence information is, or how it works, or you are trying to break it down into simpler concepts?


Your wording and definitions are "slightly off the mark" every few sentences so that is probably the culprit.

The above seemed to be aimed at you trying to understand influence state data or it's configurations. While the next segment below seemed to be your attempt to understand physical processes in space-time. Loosely connected, but you have to be careful with how you phrase things.




no worries, you are actually correct on all three points and follow up analysis.

What makes it confusing is more my own fault in the sense of I have tendency of visualizing or attempting to visualize what it is you are explaining. This in turn drops the concepts into a 2D and/or 3D structures. Which for all intents and purposes are truly non-existent in regards to this subject matter.

One of the attempts or angles is targeted at state transition which on flow execution (mentally visualized) can provide a pseudo 4D element to the construct. Sort of like frames of film being played to get motion. Each frame is a different state as it transitions thru other frames. What is being represented in the snapshots are the changes into various other states. I use this as a methodology to analyze the differences between each snapshot persay and create a mental reconstructive gap analysis between initial and final states.

Logistically, at its base I also run a certain type of switch yard where the above is used as an overlay. A good way to visualize this is to see it as a railway station where pieces (railcars) are rearranged so they are routed or switched around until the pieces line up and achieve an expected final state. Again this is a limitation on my part, in an attempt to reconstruct this into something which can be physically represented.




Lets work on this segment so we can hash out where the issues might be.

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Basically what this tiny section you wrote up, seems to be about how interactions occur with influence code. Like I wrote to montalk, it is a type of non-physical chemistry. That is the easiest way to understand it. Very similar in principle.

Influence Code A tends to perpetually cycle until it comes into contact with Influence Code B. The two codes sometimes settle alongside one another naturally and the interference (or as I refer to it "entanglement") is negligible between two types of influence code. There are different kinds of reactions between these various types of code. For the most part, the code is itself pretty stable by default.

Influence code A can affect Influence code B without the changes being materialized as a physical event. Some changes are relatively "benign" or not obvious if you are only looking at the results in a physical space-time setting where objects with specific dimensions reside.

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That is an extremely brief view of immaterial physics. ("influence code" / "influence patterns")
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The above makes sense to me. I do however move away from chemical reaction and translate this into a light spectrum morphing across fixed points in a mentally constructed space time. Another representation I use to visualize this is to see it as smoke or two clouds morphing into each other. Again I am fairly certain it is not you but my own limitation, and desire to visualize something which cannot be visualized or reconstructed in lower dimensions.

So in a way what I am doing is attempting to break it down into components or self contained objects. Define the properties and methods for these, and then understand their position in the overall construct.

Going to your use of chemistry -- In the same way we can separate water in to hydrogen and oxygen by adding electricty to it I break this down as:
Component 1 = Water -- as an input
Component 2 = electricity -- as a modifier
Component 3 = Hydrogen -- as an output
Component 4 = Oxygen -- as an output

or water modified by electricity outputs hydrogen and oxygen

taking the above we have four components which need to be defined

water = liquid, clear, tasteless, odorless, molecule 2 parts hydrogen 1 part oxygen
hydrogen = gas, flammable, odorless, atom, atomic weight 1.00794 u
oxygen = gas, flammable, odorless, atom, atomic weight 15.999 u
electricity = a flow or current of electrons

Gap = metal wires (cathode/anode) to carry electric current thru water <-- I'm looking for this
Gap = water state is measured at room temperature <-- I'm looking for this
etc




Human bodies (and other living things) have seemingly spiritual components that can modify and change overtones in this influence code.

Sometimes the differences induced at the influence level by a living being is relatively small. Such as a re-sequencing of a synapse firing in the brain in a particular sequence. That is why the ET refer to influence center control structures as a form of coordinator. It controls the symphony of the physical body and it's tiny processes so that it is ~relatively~ in sync with the immaterial side that controls it.

For example, will yourself to think about more than one thought while reading this, that is what your influence control structures in your head just did right now. You can experience a "consciousness" and actively control it through those structures. Psychics are just people who figure out how to amplify these changes to a degree where they are not just controlling sequences of brain activity. When this internal influence spills out beyond the confines of the body, it actually allows a living being some control of exterior influence code that is foreign to the body. That is what a psychic boils down to.

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Alot of people don't know that, so they only have extremely passive control over their own thoughts and everything attached to that. That is the extent to which they have used their influence control structures.

Something like an ET has learned to harness what the influence control structures in a living being can do and put it to a useful use. Culminating with everything from psychic activity to controlling foreign processes outside the confines of their own body.
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What you are trying to understand is basically, how immaterial physics actually works. What the different components do in a living system. Etc.

To tell you that, it is a bit difficult because we both can only relay on written words and normal concepts that you've learned while growing up.
I have to draw parallels to what you already know or currently understand and build it up into a coherent (and most importantly: accurate) understanding.



I think one of the missing pieces I am looking for is wrapped up in the "spiritual components" phrase. It would be interesting to know how ET explained this. Did they explain it as spiritual or as a component with specific sets of properties. Was this the hidden component in their magic? Are they harnessing spiritual energy in some way to achieve their goals?

The next question to this however is how would we define spiritual energy? -- An interesting aspect here is under stress humans tend to lean toward spiritual guidance/outlets to re-balance their lives. Altering their own state of mind and pushing toward a non-physical positive experience.

pontificator
11-13-2014, 08:35 AM
*phew* Almost through a pile of training. I made the mistake of doing some gardening, and found I'm allergic to some kind of vine; currently have an eczema outbreak from hell going down, so that's keeping me pretty occupied (it's taking about half an hour to apply all the cream to every affected area.)

@Fore, I was given a heads-up that I'm down for "an early pickup" with a time and a cryptic location. Means nothing right now, but thought I'd let you know [no specific day or year.] There was a communication the previous day that I should shut down a website of mine as well [naturally they didn't specify exactly which one, but it's all very odd.] Has there been anything happening your way?

Fore
11-14-2014, 06:44 AM
*phew* Almost through a pile of training. I made the mistake of doing some gardening, and found I'm allergic to some kind of vine; currently have an eczema outbreak from hell going down, so that's keeping me pretty occupied (it's taking about half an hour to apply all the cream to every affected area.)

@Fore, I was given a heads-up that I'm down for "an early pickup" with a time and a cryptic location. Means nothing right now, but thought I'd let you know [no specific day or year.] There was a communication the previous day that I should shut down a website of mine as well [naturally they didn't specify exactly which one, but it's all very odd.] Has there been anything happening your way?Nothing has been happening to be honest.

I have a WildMage post I wasn't satisfied with and that is stuck in the writing pipe for quite some time. Other than one extremely brief and uninteresting incident with the paranormal, everything is perfectly normal. (As in regular people normal.)

I honestly just have nothing to report.

P.S. I would be Leery of following those mental suggestions if I were you.

Fore
11-14-2014, 08:32 AM
The next question to this however is how would we define spiritual energy? -- An interesting aspect here is under stress humans tend to lean toward spiritual guidance/outlets to re-balance their lives. Altering their own state of mind and pushing toward a non-physical positive experience.

I don't consider most paranormal events (outside the scope and spectrum of the UT) to be related [directly] to spiritual energy.

Most common ghosts/phantoms/demons tend to utilize influence modification. I don't really consider influence itself a form of a "spiritual energy". I just treat influence fields and influence manipulation as someone messing with non-physical space properties.

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The only time I could say I see any form of actual "spiritual energy" affecting reality, it is particularly very elusive to observe it directly. It is something stranger only seen with UT types. I wouldn't know how to even characterize it properly.

Personally, I am of the opinion that 90% of the paranormal stuff you would see in real life is squarely in the scope of some form of influence modification rather than some form of materialized "spiritual energy". I doubt alot of people will understand what is behind my statement though and why I look at it that way in particular.

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Have I witnessed UT's using some strange kind of "spiritual potential" that doesn't conform to what I understand as "influence" manipulation?
Yes. I have.

I'd say most of my observations of actual "spiritual energy" (probably "potentials" is the proper term) seems to be related to either how some random UT uses an unknown potential or "energy" to drastically manipulate influence fields. The manner and method that a UT manipulated the influence fabric of our reality seems to be through subtle but different mechanisms than how a ghost/phantom or demon might use to create the same effect.

It's like the difference between using a lighter to start a fire (a UT) and someone without a lighter who has to dry the wood first, then gather brushes that'll burn, and then put their back into it to try to create enough friction to start a fire. ( The latter category being most all other paranormal types except the UT)

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The only other prevalent form of the use of "spiritual energy" that I can see in just about every living [and even dead] entities is the process of how sentient entities (regardless of their living or dead status) display the ability to think internally. Your thoughts forming and being guided by your spiritual components through your personal influence field is an act I recognize as a "spiritual exertion".

Everytime you think internally or decide on something you want to do. You have basically used a spiritual mechanism.
Even if most of the lower cogs in the process are organic, and slightly higher cogs that are influence-based.
It all seems to start or is guided at your spiritual level.

I see the "Spiritual potentials" in sentient things as the lightest and most invisible "component" driving things.
All of the rest (the influence structures, and physical body and mind) are far more visible and easier to observe.

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UT's are seemingly always capable of talking to you at a spiritual level.
Even if your lower mind only perceives a limited exchange of verbose communication, they speak volumes at a spiritual level without saying very much at the level of your ordinary mind.

Whereas some ET are typically telepathic but are using rich context and verbal-like interactions to recreate meaning at the mental level. I don't really see the ET's I interacted with as interfacing at a spiritual level or with any of my spiritual components. They are pretty much interfacing within the realm of the lower cogs. (influence level, physical level, mental level)

Regular human beings when talking to one another are a different story. Everything is about guessing. We all speak something that is usually not too vague and the other party your talking to is supposed to fill in the rest. Lots of space for misunderstandings and the general process of using a fixed language is that you don't typically replicate all nuanced ideas from your own mind to their mind. There is alot of room for interpretation in most conversations and alot of it is lost in translation sometimes. Human beings also don't relay or convey everything they intend to through structured language.

Paranormal types (dead spiritual entities) are somewhere between ET's and regular living human interaction. The newer they are to being dead, the more human like their interactions are. The longer they have been dead, typically the more adept they learn at communicating thoughts and ideas along side with verbose expressions.

Fore
11-14-2014, 08:56 AM
If you look carefully at how much volume of information I usually try to post. You'll notice I go out of my way to add unnecessary details to backfill our conversations. Mostly out of bad habit to express detailed thoughts.

More like an ET does with telepathy than a human being who just says something simple but where meaning is lost in the translation. I am used to answering things with details rather than vagueness. If you see me being vague it is because I am avoiding something or I am trying to conform to how people prefer things to be written out.

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For example, in that little clip of your post. Had you and I interacted telepathically, In the moment you expressed the topic of "spiritual energy" as a topic. We would have hashed out what we both mean from each others perspective when we use that word. Then the rest of the context of the question would follow.

So we would have both have been pretty familiar with what we were both thinking even if we thought differently on the subject.

But from the way human beings normally interact, you would just say "spiritual energy" in the form of a question as if we have some automatic common ground. It is slow and arduous process to then point out what my version of understanding is like. Then figure out what your version is like, then point out the contrasts between our two understandings of the same issue. Then, we have to move on to writing out a response about that topic, etc. All this written.

All that can take a few days. Just on that subject.

The telepathic version where you detail thoughts and topics would be quick and speedy and the conversation might not last more than 4 minutes at best. Though at the end of it, you and I would have answered each others questions and learned about why we both think differently on that very subject. By the end of that hour you would have assimilated what another persons thoughts are and gone through your own thoughts and adapted or amended some of your own thoughts based on the reasoning of another (where necessary).

After a year or two, you would sound "smart" to other normal people because you have accumulated alot of insights from different interactions with different individuals. It is more efficient to talk that way than to use your voice to sound out words. (I sound like the advisor...)

It is part of the reason why some ET prefer their telepathic interaction vs verbal interaction. The verbalized dynamics of a conversation are redundant and slower. As many ET pointed out over the years, if not for the added design problems of some of their throats; they'd only speak aloud for courtesy sake in front of a normal human being if it makes them feel good about the interaction (if they can make the same sounds). Only if the person was isolated and no one was watching during the interaction.

pontificator
11-14-2014, 10:56 AM
@Fore, actually, that's something that's not been covered a lot, and that would be ET etiquette; this would be very useful with general writing, as the alternative perspectives make for very good characterization.

I've not been flexin any influence based muscles for ages now, but I'm finding that when they turn on they are working much better than before [I suspect I've gone over a threshold somewhere, the control rods are no-longer a temple crushing sensation to either side, and I can now feel them as distinct rods with a very localized presence. Pressure for them is far more reasonable.] Turning the influence flow up and down is much smoother, without the crushing effect being a bit much, and there seems to be far more fine control. In terms of filaments, I have been noting their presence far more in the last month, previously they were a very rare occurrence; seem to be responding to external stimuli though, probably someone looking in.

I'll run through the usual influence tests I've done in the past, and see how they compare with the past results.

Fore
11-17-2014, 06:13 AM
@Fore, actually, that's something that's not been covered a lot, and that would be ET etiquette; this would be very useful with general writing, as the alternative perspectives make for very good characterization. What do you mean specifically?


I've not been flexin any influence based muscles for ages now, but I'm finding that when they turn on they are working much better than beforeI also don't know why, but the same happens to me.

It appears that once the structures are active they just keep gradually getting strong and more dense. If the same is happening with you, then eventually you'll notice it takes less and less of an activation routine to use gradually higher psychic abilities.


[I suspect I've gone over a threshold somewhere, the control rods are no-longer a temple crushing sensation to either side, and I can now feel them as distinct rods with a very localized presence. Pressure for them is far more reasonable.] Turning the influence flow up and down is much smoother, without the crushing effect being a bit much, and there seems to be far more fine control. Yeah, same thing happened to me in the past.

But if you keep it off and try to turn it on, you'll experience discomfort and pain without a doubt.

I've come to the conclusion that "real" psychic abilities and the associated structures are probably meant to remain active on a continuous basis.



In terms of filaments, I have been noting their presence far more in the last month, previously they were a very rare occurrence; seem to be responding to external stimuli though, probably someone looking in. I am surprised to hear that, they are pretty hard to notice. Usually I only notice the filaments when I was exerting my structures with some task or when I was hypersensitive. What is the experience like for you?


I'll run through the usual influence tests I've done in the past, and see how they compare with the past results.Sure, let me know if you find anything noteworthy.

WildMage
11-27-2014, 03:27 AM
Thank you for the response Fore, and sorry for the really late reply.

the following from your post is giving me something to contemplate:


I'd say most of my observations of actual "spiritual energy" (probably "potentials" is the proper term) seems to be related to either how some random UT uses an unknown potential or "energy" to drastically manipulate influence fields. The manner and method that a UT manipulated the influence fabric of our reality seems to be through subtle but different mechanisms than how a ghost/phantom or demon might use to create the same effect.

I have been researching this on and off for just a smidgen over 27 years. It started with my ability to use this "potential" in a way which from any sane perspective is an impossibility. However it is an intimate remembrance of how it was accomplished. With very real phenomenon occurring or translating into the physical reality.

I can give you the following, because it seems to tie into what you wrote above.

To explain from my perspective what occurred is similar to an English spin on a cue ball, in that it becomes stationary as if gathering some type of (non-temporal, non-emotional, non-informational ??) energy from the field around it. Adding to this spin allows for more energy to be stored to a point that it can be stretched into an elastic type entanglement so it can be drawn back like a slingshot. The rest is just a release of this energy along a trajectory of sorts. It is like a tap at the right moment releasing the whole thing so that it can impart this stored energy in the form of angular momentum at a specific point creating a cause and effect moment.

It is a flight which occurs within the mind in a controlled astral projection. It is also lethal per my own experience.

The energy field itself is clear, fluid, like water but closer to heat waves shimmering off of pavement like a mirage or like a compression wave from an explosion. There was a gif I saw once of the sun adjusting its magnetic field in a region and it looked like jello in a bowl being thumped, however this was more akin to a shield absorbing a hit. The shield being a concentrated sheet or shell of energy with the same movement properties of jello. This however is more of a visualization which is translated from what is being felt kinetically.

I sure would love to be able to explain the above to you telepathically, because it does start with a highly focused thought, and a high level of concentration to keep the mental projection in a coherent state. In a sense to me it is spiritual energy because because it is tapping into a thought field potential and using it. Under normal circumstances it is a field we bleed out thoughts, and emotions, without any personal awareness. It is also a sort of mirror which reflects back our own thoughts and emotions in a feedback loop of sorts. Perhaps a non-manifested reality with the feedback loop creating a trajectory toward a manifested reality. I am guessing here in saying this is the feedback loop which gets hijacked in a thought insemination type exercise. Alternately what an entity would use to feed information in a channeling type situation. To keep a clean loop I would say a person needs to be aware of what it is they are sending out and know what to expect back. Know where they are and know where it is they are going per say. A very good control over the back and forth chatter which is a constant for the mind.

I never really questioned the communication aspects of the experience, mostly because from when I was little I was able to tell when a thought was external to myself. I have however questioned some of the things I was shown. I know the advisor explained a lot to you, and understand the amount of information you can share back with people like me is highly controlled. There have been so many times in the past where you touched on things and then backed off abruptly, almost like the piece I needed to figure it out was being withheld. Frustrating at times, but also something I can relate to when it comes to how some information is related, or in some cases not related. Your recent reply had aspects which were helpful to me in my quest to understand my own experience, for this thank you.

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How much interaction would you say ET has with the UT types? Do they work together at certain levels and if so what would you say are the defining aspects of this relationship?

Did the advisor ever explain to you why humans are able to access all three levels of reality from physical to UT to spiritual? Is this something engineered within us, or just some natural evolutionary/environmental aspect of our being? If engineered did she provide a reasoning as to the purpose for such a capacity?

By the way Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Family may it be a great one.

*WM*

Fore
11-27-2014, 06:45 AM
Thank you for the response Fore, and sorry for the really late reply.
I think it is 10 times more appropriate that I apologize to you. Considering I haven't answered most of your questions in that last post.



How much interaction would you say ET has with the UT types? It is a very odd situation. It is obvious they know of each other and reference one anothers activity at a distance and in short references. But they don't seem to actively acknowledge one another.

Why, is the greatest mystery of all.

Considering the ET hypothesis is basically that ET are another life form like us with a different technological and social background. You would expect that you would see aspects of spirituality of the ET kind.

Yet I have never seen that.

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Either it implies the ET aren't what they seem (Jacques Vallee) or there is some important observation that I haven't made. My view is that the ET and UT are at odds with one another. Clearly there is a monumental story hidden in between the lines but I don't really know what it is.

(Keep in mind I define 99% of the UT I know of as spiritual in origin, with a remaining 1% being more exotic types of ET who I have heard of in vague or detailed references from ET sources but not actually ever met one in real life.)


Do they work together at certain levels and if so what would you say are the defining aspects of this relationship? I would say they observe or know each other activities. I would not say they actually work together. If anything, I would say from observations that UT's ( of a spiritual origin) are permissive of ET activity when they allow it within a certain frame of interaction.

The UT (of ET origin) are said to be the upper part of the hierarchy. (More or less)

Don't confuse the two of different origins as being the same or connected to one another.

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In general, it seems to me that the UT (of spiritual origin) are the dominant party. While the UT (of ET origin) seem to be just the upper parts of a working society not from this Earth.

I don't know what the hidden story is between ET and UT (of spiritual origin). The two seem at odds with one another.

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My best guess (and suspicion) is that the ET aren't of a natural evolutionary origin. I think it is possible that the ET societies we witness are in the majority artificial societies. Created by Something(s) or Someone(s) from a formerly UT (spiritual origin).

Most likely the majority of the gene pools you see in the ET are probably harvested and originated on Earth and another possibly separate (natural) evolutionary line.

Even if I wasn't a Christian, I would still assume the same. Because many things don't match quite right. ET's are usually guarded when you ask about their origins. And when they do opt to tell you something it is usually false. (Not just in my case, but apparently lots of contact cases)

The most glaring issue is their spirituality. The UT (of Spiritual origin) don't appear to look at ETs in the same way they see a human being. Which automatically tells you there is something you don't know.




Did the advisor ever explain to you why humans are able to access all three levels of reality from physical to UT to spiritual? Is this something engineered within us, or just some natural evolutionary/environmental aspect of our being? If engineered did she provide a reasoning as to the purpose for such a capacity? She stated it is both engineered and a natural evolution/environmental aspect.

The way she described the mechanisms and the functions you can't avoid the obvious. That the UT (of spiritual origins) are like terraformers of a reality.

The way she explained things in elaborate details leads you to the obvious conclusion that life on this Earth cannot be separated from the UT. The bodies we have are made for the environment we live in. But the components beyond the physical body is custom tailored for the body we have now.

You can tell that the UT have a form of technology that is on a completely different level than that of the ET. The ET are some kind of less developed tinkerers who are manipulating the various living things in this terraformed reality. Adapting themselves, splicing pre-existing designs and improving themselves....well at least that is my current hypothesis.

I have moved away from the ET hypothesis in it's purest form. I see many kinds of inconsistencies that don't jive quite right. I have never seen a UT who claims to be an Angel from Zeti-Reticuli (sp?). I have never seen references of those types existing either.

Why wouldn't life from another region of space not have their own UT counterparts?


Isn't that really odd?

I think the ET are perhaps not what we think they are. Evolutionary creations from some off world civilization. Perhaps they have habitats and bases off world. I just have doubts they were born or evolved there. I would not be the least surprised if a rogue Offshoot of the UT created the ET using life designs sourced from our Earth. That might explain lots of things very nicely.

For example, did the ET astronaut who can't breathe oxygen originate on a world where oxygen isn't the evolutionary backdrop to it's biology. Or was it's life design adapted for an environment that is offworld?

If you are a scientist you would normally gravitate towards assuming that the ET astronaut is a species from another world with a different atmospheric composition. Yet, is that always the case?

How does the scientists mindset change when they see a UT who doesn't resemble any life form found on Earth and doesn't resemble any Extra-Terrestrial life form? Does this change the equation in the mind of the scientist? Does he now have to tangle with just how much of 'Life of Earth' is constructed by intelligent but immaterial life forms from another existence?

Does the ET hypothesis still fit neatly like a glove when you take that into account?

To me, it would allow the scientist to consider a wider array of options. Especially if they find fragments of Earthly DNA in what is supposed to be an ET from an offworld civilization.


By the way Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Family may it be a great one.

*WM*Thanks and likewise to you and yours.

pontificator
11-30-2014, 06:25 AM
@Fore, I'll get a reply together as soon as I can.

In the mean-time: http://web.archive.org/web/20111009094743/http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi I suggest to anyone who was missing material from OMF to gather it now, don't know why I didn't think of this method earlier.

Fore
11-30-2014, 06:31 AM
@Fore, I'll get a reply together as soon as I can.

In the mean-time: http://web.archive.org/web/20111009094743/http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi I suggest to anyone who was missing material from OMF to gather it now, don't know why I didn't think of this method earlier.

I just came to the forum because I was getting an unusual number of ear ringings on this day. 3 so far.

Here I am, and I am noticing you posted the link to the old forum. Heh. Funny coincidence. :)

Edit, the last ear ringing happened seconds ago. (left side for first in the morning, right side for sometime this afternoon ~4pm?, last one was just a minute ago.)

Edit2: I guess you have gotten someones attention. (I also don't know why I didn't think of the archive.org) Good catch.

lycaeus
11-30-2014, 07:32 AM
I get many ear ringings when reading Fore' writings. There is definitely something invaluably special about Fore's writings. Last week I had the weirdedst ear ton afTER READING SOME FORE WRITING. I watched a video on Max Spiers on youtube, and got a very weird muted ear ringing I'd never experienced before...probably some alien/demonic/spiritual/ whatever 'entity' tagged onto me to scan me and read my psychic field.], because I probably accidentally psychicaly pinged some spititual/alien entity... Fore is the real deal I think. Listen to what he says.

pontificator
11-30-2014, 11:31 AM
What do you mean specifically?
As an aside I write as a hobby, with the intention of doing it professionally at some point, the more alternative perspectives I have the more "interesting" the characters I can create ;)


In terms of etiquette, this is more a sign of a given groups culture, and they would seem to hide theirs pretty well. I would be interested in manners of address [how they address each other, differences between the types of address depending on hierarchy, species or sex.] Are there restrictions in the types of terms they use with each other depending on a situation, including how you are treated in each type of situation. Were there differences in communications between different groups from different planets that were part of a collective "federation/alliance" even though they were the same species etc.


To be honest I suspect what I'd really be after would be almost a word for word retelling of anything that was ever mentioned or said, but that would take a very long time to do. Even the most minor things can reveal an incredible amount of information about their socio dynamics.




I am surprised to hear that, they are pretty hard to notice. Usually I only notice the filaments when I was exerting my structures with some task or when I was hypersensitive. What is the experience like for you?


The filaments produce a pin-point of intensity where they pass through the scalp, and my scalp is a bit sensitive so I notice them very well.
Generally they appear to be popping up in areas related to brain locations which would be related with something I'm thinking on deeply. I can also make them pop-up if I pass an influence wave-front over the skull, they appear at the highest influence point. However, I'm not consciously manipulating them, and it would appear to be the higher mind at work, and other entities [first time I ever came across a filament was when something deliberately "spoke" to me via one, from memory it was the one that said "you may think of us as ghosts... at the core".]



Sure, let me know if you find anything noteworthy.
So far testing is difficult, more a case of lots of other things are interrupting me, including studies and work. Effectively what happens is by the time I can actually do something I need to go to bed for the next day. However, I'm busy finding way to fight back as it were, as a certain link above does ;) However, my preference is to do an analysis based on more comprehensive information, and present a new finding that causes them a minor aneurysm; as you know, I devour information, but start doing serious work with it only when I lack new material (which means the more they give the more time it takes for anything "interesting" to come from my end.)