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pontificator
11-30-2014, 11:44 AM
I get many ear ringings when reading Fore' writings. There is definitely something invaluably special about Fore's writings. Last week I had the weirdedst ear ton afTER READING SOME FORE WRITING. I watched a video on Max Spiers on youtube, and got a very weird muted ear ringing I'd never experienced before...probably some alien/demonic/spiritual/ whatever 'entity' tagged onto me to scan me and read my psychic field.], because I probably accidentally psychicaly pinged some spititual/alien entity... Fore is the real deal I think. Listen to what he says.

Just as an aside, if you happen to be asleep and get woken to an incredibly loud version of the same thing, then an actual entity is physically next to you. They will turn off the paralysis if you ask nicely, and have absolutely no intention of harming them [bit difficult to do, but they will be listening more to your mind than your croaking voice.] Once the paralysis is off you can then ask for them to light themselves up, only way you can see any of them in the dark ;) Remember to pinch your arm hard at the same time so that you leave a bruise.

WildMage
11-30-2014, 01:04 PM
Why wouldn't life from another region of space not have their own UT counterparts?


Isn't that really odd?

This took me off guard, truly an interesting question/(observation?). I had not considered this aspect of it at all.

Are you saying they do not have a UT counterpart of their own?

This is quite a reveal to me, it was just an expectation on my part ET would have this as part of their own world reality.

Would DNA not be a common component within the universe?... unless we are talking about a multi-verse type scenario here.

one of the things I was taught in the non-physical realm was the usage of something I termed a life-spark. This was derived from the force fields which supported life or make it possible. It is also heavily Faith based, where the awareness of such and its usage was tied to the belief of its existence. It was almost as if it came forward or manifested itself through a thought exercise. To maintain it in any coherent or usable form an entity had to have a belief in the force fields. I am quite sure they exist with and or without any belief but their usage or a feel for them had to be translated down, concentrated, or semi phased into this reality. Perhaps this is where belief came into play.

This may also be where my confusion with ETs comes into play because if they do not have this then they are perhaps using something different to manifest the effects. This would be very strange to me because this life force is like the fabric from which our own reality is created as far as I can tell.

Are ETs alive, or some form of machine? Did some entity create an autonomous machine based on components of existing life systems? Are the autonomous or externally controlled, like some highly advanced drone?

Are ETs local to our own solar system or from other areas of the universe? A previous earth civilization, coming back home? Did this civilization go trans-human and lose their connection with the life force? Perhaps practical or a pragmatic decision for deep space travel. An engineered subset of humans, created to conduct scientific studies on deep space worlds, and return with the knowledge they had acquired.

your question leaves me with a lot of questions, and quite a bit of speculation.

In your own opinion what would you say this would point to? Is it possible UTs (non-spiritual) created the ETs as interface between their reality and our own? Which brings me back to are non-spiritual UTs, local to this world/or area of the universe?

*WM*

sorry for so many questions but things kind of mentally exploded into multiple directions on this end.

Fore
11-30-2014, 09:40 PM
4th in the middle of the night and 5th about 15min ago.

So yeah, that is pretty abnormal. I usually wouldn't get any ear ringing unless I was doing something particularly interesting. In other words Pontif did something that was noticed in advance.

Something or someone(s) outside our collective awareness.

pontificator
12-01-2014, 02:17 AM
4th in the middle of the night and 5th about 15min ago.

So yeah, that is pretty abnormal. I usually wouldn't get any ear ringing unless I was doing something particularly interesting. In other words Pontif did something that was noticed in advance.

Something or someone(s) outside our collective awareness.
Oh, I do think pointing people in the direction of a resource they had thought dead and buried might qualify ;) The fact that the given resource provider concerned is pretty important and heavily protected is probably giving them a bit of pain as well, taking down the archive would cause a lot of damage.

As it is, I always have a few other things up my sleeve which I'm working on... could be any of them too.

Fore
12-01-2014, 08:22 AM
Some insight into the archive.org:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WxGDOeS-s4

Fore
12-01-2014, 08:51 AM
This took me off guard, truly an interesting question/(observation?). I had not considered this aspect of it at all.

Are you saying they do not have a UT counterpart of their own? I do not know. To date, I haven't seen any.




This is quite a reveal to me, it was just an expectation on my part ET would have this as part of their own world reality. Yeah, you would expect it. In fact, think about it this way:

You and I are crippled compared to your average ESP(Extra-Sensory Perception) aware ET. We all have faith based religions because the vast majority of the human population cannot perceive spiritual entities directly (thanks to being crippled in the ESP department).

Is this true of an ESP aware life form from a "homeworld" somewhere in the distant parts of the universe?

Think about that deeply. Would it be a faith based system anymore if your population knew for sure (and could directly observe) such spiritual presences going to and fro across their world?

What would be a mystery? Especially if psychic abilities were pretty common and pretty advanced. Studied down to an exact science.

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What would the relationship be between living ET beings and their UT counterparts?

All we human beings have are stories and recollections of such beings. In our society it is common to believe in such things "if you want to". The UT are not a fact of life. (unless you have the rare ability of making ESP observations)

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Now consider this:

You end up with an ET in front of you when you are very young. You end up studying under them and are pushed into experiments (willingly/unwillingly) and you develop the ESP. You witness both "the visible" and "the invisible" aspects of life on Earth while growing up. While most of your peers believe half heartedly in the idea of UT. You know they are certainly real because they pop in unannounced and you observe their activity in daily life...even when the UT aren't dealing with you.

Just like you see some plane flying across the sky, or see a passing train. You end up seeing the activity of the occasional UT performing their rounds. It isn't always because they have something to say to you.

So you observe that the ET "know of" the UT. But they don't interact with the UT. Strange, isn't it?

When you get a chance to talk to the UT because they have some business dealing with you, you notice that the UT is aware of the ET watching over you. In fact, they warn you about your association with them. Usually almost always unfavorable warnings.

But these UT do not interact with the ET. Like as if they were both estranged parties. Knowing of one another activity, commenting on each other on rare occasion, even referring to them in technical lessons. Yet, never dealing directly with each other.


Highly strange don't you think?

Why is there never a UT who acknowledges the ET people standing in front of you as a legitimate life form? (same as any Human being)

Why do they not talk with one another?

Why did one ET who was standing right next to me while a UT intervened...seem surprised to witness a UT. And made (back of the mind) comments to themselves that they (the ET) had heard of such beings, never actually seen one in person.

Isn't that INCREDIBLY STRANGE??

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Do you start to absorb and understand why there are potentially serious issues with the ET Hypothesis?

Fore
12-01-2014, 09:50 AM
Would DNA not be a common component within the universe?... unless we are talking about a multi-verse type scenario here.

It depends on the nitty gritty details.

DNA, is a lattice structure found in living cells on this earth. The lattice structure is mostly due to the 4 main sub-components that make up DNA and something about protein folding and energy conservation.

The chances that the same combination occurs twice in two sectors of the nearby universe is pretty nil. Lets say it did happen because of some kind of "cosmic pan spermia" (seeding of genetic seeds across worlds by natural (meteoric) mean.

Even then, the chances of those sequences being compatible over an evolutionary cycle of hundred or billions of years would still be close to nill.

It is like saying, okay, you and I have colored pencils, you go draw something that resembles life and I'll go to my table and do the same. Then we bring together our drawings and hope they are compatible. Not gonna happen.
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The other point is the multi-verse (or in this case, multi-dimensional ET). Again you have the same problem but at a much more fundamental (physics) level. Unless there is some kind of specific factor such as UT's spreading the same kind of designs across various realities, there shouldn't be any compatibility.

What I have heard some of the ET say is that some of them are not from this universe nor native to this physical reality. That they figured out ways to enter into our reality by making designer bodies. (~Something like~ the movie Avatar...only not from another world, but multi-dimensional)

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Other ET of the more exotic type, claim that they transform one type of organized living (system) or body into another more native form in order to exist in our particular reality. (Semi-physical)

If seen from the ET perspective, you do not necessarily require a living functional biological anatomy to exist in a different dimension. They used to explain they can simply employ the minimum of required components necessary to attach a living consciousness to some kind of animate form.

In other words, you can have a cocktail of composite matter that is not fundamentally biological but still sustains "a living presence". The only problem (described by the Advisor) is that the entity has to normally stay in an isolated chamber at a higher (less accessible) phase settings to keep the entities composition from coming into contact with the ground floor of this reality.

This is pretty foreign material (I am pretty sure) even to UFO researchers.

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People assume that ET's can only come in biological packages, but that isn't always true. It is true that if you ever meet an ET at the ground floor of physical reality, they should come wrapped in a biological package. But this usually implies they had to go and take sample DNA (probably from this world) to make a viable population and from that harvest their body. Then attach their living presence to it, and then learn how to operate it. Then finally show up "as an ET" at your front door steps.

If you ever meet a Multi-dimensional entity who uses (for compatibility sake) a more rudimentary package that is made of structured material and is not biologically functional; then chances are that you won't meet them at your house. You'll likely be taken to an ET craft, phased-out considerably into a spectrum of physicality that borders on dissolution of the properties of our reality. Then be taken to some remote location where they house ET's who (for one reason or another) can't merge their living presences with living biological components.

They won't likely look like anything resembling a biological presence. If they aren't of the UT (of ET origin) kind, then they are going to look like a rough humanoid shape with elementary composition of materials. Likely having particularities that are specific...Holy Bleep,,,,

Just heard someone ping me strongly (psychically) to stop saying anything else....

Likely having particularities that are specific to their condition. They might have strong influence interference around them for example that would render them unable to habitate a functional biological form.

Thats a fancy way of saying they would look odd. Either they would look physically luminous or like a humanoid shape formed of hot gasses and electric discharges.

I can't say anymore. I am being interfered with.

pontificator
12-01-2014, 10:39 AM
People assume that ET's can only come in biological packages, but that isn't always true. It is true that if you ever meet an ET at the ground floor of physical reality, they should come wrapped in a biological package. But this usually implies they had to go and take sample DNA (probably from this world) to make a viable population and from that harvest their body. Then attach their living presence to it, and then learn how to operate it. Then finally show up "as an ET" at your front door steps.

If you ever meet a Multi-dimensional entity who uses (for compatibility sake) a more rudimentary package that is made of structured material and is not biologically functional; then chances are that you won't meet them at your house. You'll likely be taken to an ET craft, phased-out considerably into a spectrum of physicality that borders on dissolution of the properties of our reality. Then be taken to some remote location where they house ET's who (for one reason or another) can't merge their living presences with living biological components.

They won't likely look like anything resembling a biological presence. If they aren't of the UT (of ET origin) kind, then they are going to look like a rough humanoid shape with elementary composition of materials. Likely having particularities that are specific...Holy Bleep,,,,

Just heard someone ping me strongly (psychically) to stop saying anything else....

Likely having particularities that are specific to their condition. They might have strong influence interference around them for example that would render them unable to habitate a functional biological form.

Thats a fancy way of saying they would look odd. Either they would look physically luminous or like a humanoid shape formed of hot gasses and electric discharges.

I can't say anymore. I am being interfered with.
*shakes fist at third-party* It's just getting to the good bit. I've been waiting years for this particular material...

Edward
12-02-2014, 04:07 AM
This is pretty foreign material (I am pretty sure) even to UFO researchers.

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It needs to be said and discussed and I thank you for bringing forth a discussion and thoughts that question and makes us ponder about whats going on



They won't likely look like anything resembling a biological presence. If they aren't of the UT (of ET origin) kind, then they are going to look like a rough humanoid shape with elementary composition of materials. Likely having particularities that are specific...Holy Bleep,,,,

Just heard someone ping me strongly (psychically) to stop saying anything else....




Well that in itself is something very telling isn't it Fore?
Considering this current post and the various nature of questions and concerns and possibilities being pointed out by you. Someone/something or some entity surely doesn't want this information comming out, but why? Who is to lose? Who is to gain from it and why would it even matter ..........? Something to ponder. Also I'm getting a feeling like we are in a zoo and the trainers and zoo keepers only want us to be educated so much, for their entertainment but also to the extent they don't want us to know what's really going on. That we are their project, and we are like rats in a maze.




Edward

WildMage
12-02-2014, 07:49 AM
Why did one ET who was standing right next to me while a UT intervened...seem surprised to witness a UT. And made (back of the mind) comments to themselves that they (the ET) had heard of such beings, never actually seen one in person.

Isn't that INCREDIBLY STRANGE??



this is very interesting, and in a sense highly revealing.

It points to a possibility UT's have an ability to be invisible to ET, unless it wants its presence known. ET may be aware of their presence from a technological perspective i.e derivitative measurement, but are physically blind in the actual environmental range UTs use. Which reminds of a clear lesson learned on the other side... "You cannot effectively fight what you are blind to." Blind not necessarily limited to the visual field, but an encompassed utilization of the senses working together to pinpoint an entity. It was a developed intuitive type sensensory perception, which when trained transcends the the intuitive aspects into a realm of knowing and feeling another (phased out?) entity as they move around. This was hours of practice to hone down into something that was practical, precise, and without any guess work. It is also an ability which is lost over time unless it is continuously practiced. I wonder if it is like riding a bike though, i.e. once the basics are known then getting back up to speed should be doable. However I think this was more akin to prepping to run a marathon, and getting back in shape means putting in the same amount of effort to get back into a similar condition.

Humans can do this, ETs cannot... I wonder what other small quirks humans have that ETs do not have? This very much sounds like an environmental type problem for ETs. Humans are adapted to this environment, whereas ETs are adapted to a seperate environment.





In other words, you can have a cocktail of composite matter that is not fundamentally biological but still sustains "a living presence". The only problem (described by the Advisor) is that the entity has to normally stay in an isolated chamber at a higher (less accessible) phase settings to keep the entities composition from coming into contact with the ground floor of this reality.



This is another highly precise statement, which brings up many questions, especially in the context of "a living presence".

Are these ETs alive in the same sense as you would say a human is alive or even a tree is alive? Just because something is conscious, intelligent, or animated does not necessarily mean it carries what I would term a life spark. A distinct energy which we can feel whithin systems we deem to be alive. If you were to stand an ET next to a tree does ET have this spark when carefully compared? If they do have this spark, how much of a deviation between our life spark and their life spark would you say exists? Would you be able to explain what these differences are? I kind of see it as our internal light each of us carry within us.

On the other aspect you touch on, I am highly tempted to lean toward an Anti-Matter conjecture. Where the recation would anhilate the local space-time and cause some serious problems for the ET and those in the vicinity. Where ET could attach and transition in fully do they suffer limitations, in their psychic or other abilities? The latter is sort of looking at it from a perspective of engineering a compatible body to this environment, what are the give and takes involved. Where somethings may be feasible or easier to access in a phased out environment but not as easy within our ground floor reality. perhaps a reason for the technology they use or a key to what this technology is actually for.

What did the advisor explain about this technology? I know you covered it before, but a refresher would be nice. (receivers, amplifiers??)



They might have strong influence interference around them for example that would render them unable to habitate a functional biological form.


Did the Advisor ever explain or have you ever figured out why they would have such a strong influence interference around them? Sounds like they are bending this influence field around themselves and causing a major anomally in the phased out space they are occupying. Is this due to material makeup, something they are doing consciously, or a part (side effect) of the transition process from their own dimensional reality?

What happens to a non-ET biological entity within this ground floor reality if they access influence at these type of levels? Same question in increments of 10% from a ceiling level. What types of abilities or anomalies could be expected at each of those levels ... 10, 20, 30% ... etc.?

Is influence something they bring with them from their own dimension? Is it something which bleeds out from this other dimension a part, of UT space, or part of all reality, as a common denominator regardless of dimension or reality?

If it is a basic fabric type component of our own reality why is it detrimental to biological life forms in this reality? I suppose the question is not so much why but was its purpose explained, as to how it fits in against the other forces...

*WM*

WildMage
12-02-2014, 08:34 AM
By the way, as for the non-acknowledgement between ET and UTs, I can sort of understand it, based on some of my own interactions. If I am right and what you are describing as spiritual UTs are the ones I was interacting with, then I can see why. I may have been interacting with something different, but in principal they were about life and non-aggression. In later years other entities, were much more militaristic in their outlook.

In the late 80's the one's I was interacting with sort of blended back into the background noise. There were some highly aggressive types rolling thru, and for lack of a better understanding on my part all i can say is all hell broke loose for a long while afterwards. However they did come out of hiding a few times over the years and let their presence be known. i do not know why but each time they show up it is what I can only describe as a magical experience, from start to finish.

The closest thing I can relate it to within popular culture is The NOX from Stargate SG-1

The Nox - Maybe one day you will learn, that your way is not the only way

http://vimeo.com/27326051
http://vimeo.com/27326051

how close are your spiritual UTs to the above, perhaps not in appearance but in philosophy, overall feel of their interaction with their environment?

perhaps a choice and a lesson, between what came after they blended out, and what they were about.

*WM*

Arkki
12-02-2014, 07:44 PM
The UT/ET division reminds me of the Tibetan book of the Dead and their take on different dimensions of existence. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_realm) Thought if UT:s would classify as beings of Deva, ETs to categories of Asura, Wraiths and Demons to Preta and Hell. Though, according to that text, Asuras would have emotional responses towards higher beings, "as they see them as animals see humans", but if ETs are ignorant of UTs, they don't seem to evoke much of emotional response described.

Fore
12-03-2014, 01:29 AM
if ETs are ignorant of UTs, they don't seem to evoke much of emotional response described.They (ET) are not ignorant of UT's. (Various kinds of UT are referenced by ET, most of the categories I have never encountered).

I think there is a misunderstanding. ET and UT(of the spiritual kind) seem to be parallel to each other. They do not tend to intersect with each other activity.

ET's reference UT activity but do not engage in a conversation.
UT's reference ET activity in commentary, but again do not engage in a direct conversation.

Why, is the great mystery.

Most ET reference UT (a rare event by the way) activity as a stumbling block to their ongoing activity. Implying directly/indirectly that UT are somehow in a superior position of control.

Most UT references "aimed at me" of dealing with the ET are established with various warnings of participating in ET activities. A couple of UT reference to ET activity is stated towards me as form of a warning. Most of the warning is a tacit acknowledgement that someday the ET and they (UT) will have a confrontation. Not to be on the wrong side of the tracks when things fall as they may. (a very literal and foreboding paraphrasing of their words)

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It is very difficult to discuss the UT, because they are harder to understand. Their background and how it fits with the ET is unclear. (from a purely observational perspective)

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What is the main thrust of my conversation is the ESTRANGEMENT between the two. It is not that they don't know of each other. The exact opposite is true. They simply do not seem to talk to one another. There seems to be something in the background that I do not yet understand. Some kind of situation that the UT do not openly clarify...except...to dabble in subdued and overt warnings that let you know that there is something between these two classes of entity that indicates....I really don't know how to phrase it.

Estrangement is the best way to profile it. Or maybe to disown?

It is pretty difficult to nail it down to one word. What the UT are not is openly hostile towards the ET. They are almost indifferent....but that is not quite the right word.

Maybe the only word that comes closest is ESTRANGED.

epo333
12-03-2014, 02:27 AM
Fore,

From what you are trying to say, it sounds more likely that the UT tolerate the ET to a larger extent...

montalk
12-03-2014, 06:17 AM
Maybe since we humans are more blind, naive, and 'young' compared to ET, the UT have more reason to get involved in our lives, oversee things, intervene if necessary, and guard our souls as if we were babies in a nursery. Maybe the ET are 'grown up' and have chosen their path, know what they are doing (relatively speaking), and also have far fewer accidents and make fewer life mistakes compared to us, thus the UT have little reason to get involved with them.

Also I get the impression that the ET are a closer to us than they are to the UT, at least in terms of their makeup, tangibility, need for technology, political strife, and so on. So if you consider black ops projects, for example, or just advanced military projects and operations, what would be the interaction between those guys and the UT? Maybe some of their tech has detected UT, maybe the know a tiny bit about these nonphysical entities, but for the most part they are removed from the whole UT "spiritual battle" scene. The UT might likewise not approve of what those projects are doing, but don't intervene either for whatever reason. The military focus is more on technology, intelligence and counterintelligence, geopolitical strategy, etc. because they're stuck in that mode. I was thinking perhaps ETs are just a more extreme version of that same dynamic.

It would have surprised me if ET being psychic as they are, were not aware of the UT at all. But if they are aware of each other but estranged, well more than anything that tells me their goals and purposes don't intersect much. Bad example, but like pacifist Christian missionaries and Marines both going into some 3rd world country, the first providing aid and preaching the word per some spiritual mission, the latter securing resources and taking out bad guys per some political mission; they have different goals and would probably stay out of each other's way, being neither friends nor enemies.

But that part about ET and UT relations coming to a head eventually, well that's pretty interesting.

Fore
12-03-2014, 07:32 AM
Fore,

From what you are trying to say, it sounds more likely that the UT tolerate the ET to a larger extent...That seems to be an accurate portrayal.

[To] Tolerate [ET]
[Having an] Estrangement [To the ET]
[To] Disown [the ET Activity]
Oversee [and watch over ET Activity]
[To] Control/Limit [ET Activity]
Define Interaction [of ET Activity]
Allow/Disallow [ET Activity]

I could string together basic words and see if that brings into focus the concept of their behavior towards one another. Though most of those above words are from a UT perspective. Let me think a little on how it looks from a ET perspective.

Fore
12-03-2014, 07:53 AM
The UT from an ET perspective:

[To be allowed to] Operate [by UT] --> (seldom mentioned)
Monitored [by UT] --> (occasionally mentioned)
Prohibited [by UT] or Purposefully Interrupted
Awareness [of UT] Activity
Postponement [because of UT activity]
Barred Access
Commentary [of UT Activities]
Technical Awareness [explaining of UT activity] --> (seldom mentioned)

<Still thinking back...>

montalk
12-03-2014, 09:59 AM
[To] Tolerate [ET]
[Having an] Estrangement [To the ET]
[To] Disown [the ET Activity]
Oversee [and watch over ET Activity]
[To] Control/Limit [ET Activity]
Define Interaction [of ET Activity]
Allow/Disallow [ET Activity]


Oh so the UT do limit/interfere/prevent ET activity then... and it sounds like they have the final say. Wonder what factors determine when they step in and when they allow...

pontificator
12-03-2014, 10:46 AM
*taps chin* Personally I'd be interested in what would happen if it were possible to make them say hello to each other. Mind you, could be interesting to see what happens if some of their ambient influence were deliberately mixed, I think the result would be very telling.

I remember from way back that Fore mentioned that the Advisor mentioned a third party... The UT do fit the bill quite nicely in some ways, but it wouldn't mesh that well with other aspects of history. Fore, remember that there was an experiment to place a few hidden colonies of Humans fairly far in the past?

More than likely that a fair proportion make up the current ET spectrum if that premise were correct, but then again it'd be very difficult to prove beyond the unusual biological compatibilities we see in the current visitors.
Combine that with fallen Angels purposely prevented from manifesting physically, and you get a whole can of worms; I did wonder if some of the imprisoned ones found a loophole to send their "agents" to earth to perform some operations, which would fit with some aspects of some of the ET visitors. It is a given that at least one Fallen Angel is able to move relatively freely as well, with the possibility of later adherents appearing later.

WildMage
12-03-2014, 11:15 AM
I keep coming back to how that one ET reacted to seeing the UT. The reaction was akin to someone suddenly seeing an elf or gremlin:
something along the lines of:
"Wow I heard of these entities in folklore, even thought it may be possible, but never thought I would actually see one in real life."

from the explanations it sounds like ETs kind of view UTs more along the lines of Gremlins i.e. a monkey wrench in the works, than some elven entity there to help them in their endeavors. Their paths do intersect in the sense of UTs appear to be babysitting some teenage kids and keeping them from hurting their younger siblings or getting them high on some new drug the older teens find fascinating.

@ponti the thought of fallen angels and demons has crossed my mind a few times too. it almost has a Dante-ish feel to it when explained as non-interacting, watch but do not get involved. More like a prison guard keeping the inmates in check and not getting emotionally involved.

*WM*

Fore
12-03-2014, 04:55 PM
Oh so the UT do limit/interfere/prevent ET activity then... and it sounds like they have the final say. Wonder what factors determine when they step in and when they allow...


*taps chin* Personally I'd be interested in what would happen if it were possible to make them say hello to each other. Mind you, could be interesting to see what happens if some of their ambient influence were deliberately mixed, I think the result would be very telling. I thought that it would reveal something.

But the result is it didn't.

In the back of my mind I thought, oh if one of the UT appears right next to the ET would they be repelled? (like when a UT appears in front of a group of paranormal spirits, the spirits tend to run away almost always.)

But nothing happened. The ET didn't run away, they weren't affected. You could tell from reading their mind that they were silently aware of the UT but made no motion to interact nor to...do anything. It is as if the UT was the elephant in the room. The ET were aware of it, but didn't do any overt motions to convey respect or fear or communicate or even direct their attention towards it....Nothing.

Why the estrangement? Why the non-interaction? Why were they aware but didn't do anything? Not even acknowledge one another openly?

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Like you mentioned Pontif, I had the same idea of seeing what would happen if both ET and UT were standing right in front of one another. Yet surprisingly, on more than one occasion, nothing happens. There influence patterns don't disrupt one another. There is no repulsion.

It is only obvious that they ignore one another openly. In fact, about the most obvious reaction was the ET woman who actually said something in the back of her mind. Yet nothing came out of her telepathy wise towards the UT.

That is the behavior that I cannot figure out.

If the Advisor hadn't mentioned the UT in background explanations, I would have had to assume that the ET didn't know of the UT. Yet, the opposite is the case. They know, they just seemingly pretend as if they aren't there. More than one ET has made mention of the UT, so I know it is not just the Advisor who knew about the UT.

There is zero chance the ET could be THAT ESP aware and not know of the UT. That would have definitely broken the mold of all understanding.


I remember from way back that Fore mentioned that the Advisor mentioned a third party... The UT do fit the bill quite nicely in some ways, but it wouldn't mesh that well with other aspects of history. I thought the same. I still unsure if they are "The Third" party that the Advisor claimed kept them in check.

It seems like it would be them, but honestly I expected "The Third" to be some other ET party. Then again, she was pretty sparse on the details of who exactly "the third" party were. So it is pretty hard to say one way or the other.

It was Jake (JakeReason) from OMF that alluded to the story by the Advisor seemingly following a very loose biblical narrative. I didn't realize the parallels back then as my knowledge of the subject was still pretty immature to realize the parallels he would point out.

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For example, in the Bible, there is a topic where the Angels (UT of the spiritual kind) are said to be "restraining" an evil group of entities. That the UT will eventually (in prophecy) be commanded to "stop restraining" this evil force. As a result, this evil force (in prophecy) is then allowed to both "dwell on the earth" and...no longer being restrained...they raise up a false way of thinking (religion), convince humanity to turn to their side (successfully) to whoever will listen to them, and eventually create a one world government.

Then the prophecy basically points out that leads to an apocalyptic confrontation where both the evil group of entities and the humans siding with them are expunged (by the UT) and the Earth becomes a firey wasteland. But allegedly in the prophecy the UT come to pluck out the individuals who are squared away and who refuse to go along with the change before the Earth is burned.

Again, this sounds eerily like the Advisors story. Except her version makes the motives quite a bit different and the aggressors are the party who want to burn the Earth if they lose.

So this allusion to the ?same? narrative tells you there isn't a coincidence there. Is the Advisor from the wrong side in all this?

This is why I keep examining the narrative of the biblical story because it appears to clearly hail from the ancient UT narrative.


Fore, remember that there was an experiment to place a few hidden colonies of Humans fairly far in the past? Yeah I do.

WildMage
12-04-2014, 06:39 AM
Thank you fore! The last was fairly clear:

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Originally Posted by pontificator View Post
Fore, remember that there was an experiment to place a few hidden colonies of Humans fairly far in the past?

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Yeah I do.

This is interesting I have always felt like the legends of Atlantis and Mu were due to something like this. Some of the out of place artifacts seem to also point to either an accident or something like moving a civilization and colonizing the past. There could be a number of reason for this, primarily I think it would most likely revolve around how sustainable life is in the future.

Would love to read the original. do you recall where it might be?

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As a side note I need to tease you a little... it is just something I have noticed over the years... your ETs really do not like me :bleh:

I am just one of the few I noticed you have a hard time responding to directly.

I just have to ask, is it ET interference? :das

You are probably just take your time wanting to get it right. Hehe I know I can be tedious and hard headed with some of the tangents ;)

In other instance I'm figuring you see it as I can grasp the answers derived from other answers you provide.

any who I'm done teasing... :angel_not:

cheers have a great night Fore

*WM*

Fore
12-04-2014, 05:18 PM
Thank you fore! The last was fairly clear:

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This is interesting I have always felt like the legends of Atlantis and Mu were due to something like this. Some of the out of place artifacts seem to also point to either an accident or something like moving a civilization and colonizing the past. There could be a number of reason for this, primarily I think it would most likely revolve around how sustainable life is in the future.

Would love to read the original. do you recall where it might be? I honestly do not keep track of what I wrote. I know what Pontif mentioned and the details of that, but where it is posted is another animal by itself. (would be hard to track it down as the webarchive doesn't have a search engine)


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As a side note I need to tease you a little... it is just something I have noticed over the years... your ETs really do not like me :bleh:

I am just one of the few I noticed you have a hard time responding to directly. It is not your imagination. It is a fact, that I do have trouble responding to some of your posts. Either because they are hard to follow, or because you ask too many different things at the same time, or simply like you pointed out....ample interference.

That happens with Pontif as well (the latter parts). It is not your imagination.

Even though nothing is interfering with me at this point in time. (well overtly at least)
The bad side effect of "disinterest" sweeps through me and keeps me from giving you a proper response. It is not always because the content is disinteresting, but seems to be a trigger when certain kinds of content is touched upon.

It has been my long term observation, that there are peculiarities that remain and subsist even when the ET are no longer around. I could go into what I think might be happening but it would all be (mostly) speculation.

Fore
12-04-2014, 05:52 PM
I just have to ask, is it ET interference? :das These days that is pretty rare.

What I can tell you, is.....

Let me put it this way.

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When Pontif re-linked my old posting from the internet archive. Who (or what) was it that noticed the event before I came back to the forum?

This is hours in advance of the posting without me or Pontif communicating for the last several months.

If I recall when I posted, I think my posting followed Pontif by like 6 minutes. (gotta recheck that)

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So almost a full day before Pontif actually did it, the unknown party, seemed to already know.

======Something to laugh about====================

I once played a joke (grin on my face right now just remembering it) on Chris [and the ET watching]. He was an admin back then on the old OMF and now on this forum. In the moderator board which was private and only accessible to admins and moderators at the time, I played a joke on the ET who back then were actively monitoring every now and then.

I posted to Chris (in a very serious sounding like post) that I was already sending him audio tapes and recordings of my ET contacts. LOL. I had to clear my mind and put on a very fake (albeit serious feeling) mentality as if I were totally serious while I wrote up that post.

What was interesting wasn't that they scanned me and a few other people almost simultaneously "as if verifying" there was some outbound package sent to Chris. What was funny (to me at least) was that Chris didn't really react in a way to dismiss the claim immediately. (even though I didn't know his address at the time)

It took them (the ET) a while to figure out it was a ruse, but not before they had conducted a pretty obvious and noticeable inspection across various people. (of which the full scope to this day I do not know)

Point is, I falsified my mindset at the time, because technically _I did send out a ton of packages_ that day to my online customers. about 10 or more packages. And had been doing so every other day for a while. So I focused on that memory while I wrote the fake message just to trip them up.

LOL, the ET fell for it and started scanning people left and right to figure out what was fact from fiction. It took a while for them to figure it out.

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I may be the first (not likely) person in history to prank the ET who were monitoring. I know for sure they kept tabs on many people on the forum at the mental level (the ear ringing is just one _gentle_ side effect. I also know (for sure) they kept tabs (somehow?) on people at the message level. So yeah, you'd be surprised as to how much they knew.

I still vaguely recall the ET monitoring the Admins messaging each other and the private area only admins could see. But I only know of the activity from "afar". The ET didn't seem to care about what they actually talked about if it didn't fall into a specific...relevance...I guess is the right word. I know they did back then, because I used to check the ET exchanges or their minds and sometimes would find fragments of information that referred to admins. Either a mentalized depiction of some topic between one or more admins or a few fragments.

Other times they actively told me something I *"should know"* and kept me abreast of something or other. It wasn't like it was the first time either. Even before OMF they were always doing that. Sometimes I just went ahead and asked an Admin or other Moderator if X and Y was actually true or not.

Which I guess made people pretty suspicious until (I hoped) they figured out it wasn't coming from me.

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Anyway,
I do not know if Chris remembers that incident anymore. But it would be funny if he does. Thanks to his casual non-resistant acceptance of a proposed package the ET got fooled at the time into conducting a noticeable investigation.

Fore
12-04-2014, 05:55 PM
Hehe :)

I got this while trying to post the above post:

http://i.imgur.com/BL7wy4J.png

Don't worry guys, I always copy and paste before I submit. No loss of posts. :p

WildMage
12-04-2014, 09:36 PM
I honestly do not keep track of what I wrote. I know what Pontif mentioned and the details of that, but where it is posted is another animal by itself. (would be hard to track it down as the webarchive doesn't have a search engine)

It is not your imagination. It is a fact, that I do have trouble responding to some of your posts. Either because they are hard to follow, or because you ask too many different things at the same time, or simply like you pointed out....ample interference.

That happens with Pontif as well (the latter parts). It is not your imagination.

Even though nothing is interfering with me at this point in time. (well overtly at least)
The bad side effect of "disinterest" sweeps through me and keeps me from giving you a proper response. It is not always because the content is disinteresting, but seems to be a trigger when certain kinds of content is touched upon.

It has been my long term observation, that there are peculiarities that remain and subsist even when the ET are no longer around. I could go into what I think might be happening but it would all be (mostly) speculation.

I am going to start with the disinterest aspect because this is definitely something I run into quite often when broaching this subject. That blank slate when I go to reply, or the sudden I just want to rest and not worry about this now feeling that sweeps over. When moments before my mind was just racing with ideas questions and thoughts. It is quite disconcerting, especially when I try to force it and end up getting sleepy over the exertion, or the family suddenly intervenes with emergencies and or distractions of all kinds. i.e. the wife: "I need to talk to you now" :biggrin2:

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As an explanation to my posts, they do tend to rotate around a subject. It is not so much of beating around the bush as an attempt to get a grasp of it from many different angles. They are also embedded with many potential exclusionary points. In the sense of shutting down an avenue of thought, and I do tend to push the tangent if it remains ambiguous. I sort of see the ambiguity as a smoke screen where there might be something there but it is just not being defined properly or the question is just not being asked properly to extract the hidden detail. It is a process of elimination and a search for the exception. What stands out and does not fit neatly into the overall dialogue. The UT and ET "estrangement thing" is a great example of this exceptions case. It leaves us with a definite why. Shutting down potentials as to why this is occurring leaves me with a clearer picture of what this interaction actually looks like, and it works to eliminate various avenues of speculation. Agreements on a tangent in many case tend to obfuscate or cause evaluation errors, which is why I love your precise nature of slicing and dicing and just sticking to the facts.

I hope the above helps a little in clarifying my style and approach, which I know from interactions in real life can be frustrating and maddening at times. I build reverse logistics expert systems in real life, and getting down to handling all of the exception cases in many instance is about finding the common denominator and then identifying the valid routes across an operational process. Believe me I have had people look at me like they wanted to kill me when getting into the nitty gritty details of functions they just do naturally on a daily basis. However at the end of the day I can put a temp who can care less with 15 minutes of training in front of the system and have them moving inventory like a pro with very little input needed and a high accuracy rate.

*WM*

anywho back to rereading your recent posts and being a thorn in your side :p

epo333
12-05-2014, 02:36 AM
Hehe :)

I got this while trying to post the above post:

http://i.imgur.com/BL7wy4J.png

Don't worry guys, I always copy and paste before I submit. No loss of posts. :p

Humm, me thinks something in your post to "WM" triggered a delay of your communication. So just maybe someone still has you on the back burner of surveillance...!


...sending him audio tapes and recordings of my ET contacts...

Fore
12-05-2014, 03:27 AM
@ Epo

<shrug>

The only interesting thing I touched on lately is the UT and that obscure mention of the ET types who don't use biological components to link their living presence.

Technically, if you know what I was taught and what the ET have already known. You don't actually need a biological container to link a living (immaterial) presence to. Technically, as long as you have the minimum that a living interconnect can attach to, then basically you can substitute a (a cell driven system of a) biological half with a batch of materials in a body-like vessel that allows for a persistence of all the rest of the metaphysical parts.

(Sorry if that came out as a word salad)

Of course, I am pretty sure that would be steeped in technologies of the ET. Not exactly something you would see everyday in ET encounters.

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Maybe we should ask Garuda since he is always extremely well versed in the ET phenomena. If he knows any cases like that. Or at least if the proportions of those kinds of entities are less or more common than your regular ET wrapped in flesh and blood.

I keep wondering what would you call a non-biological ET. Not mechanical or artificial intelligence, simply a normal ET but not with the biological half of the equation in the mix. More like a batch of physical materials substituting a biological form. It isn't technically a spirit either because it is still alive, simply missing or utilizing components that substitute a biological presence.

It's technically not an E.B.E. anymore. So what does one call it in the UFO research field?

EBE = Extra-Terrestrial Biological Entity

The Trident
12-05-2014, 08:32 PM
Greetings
I have many-many questions about this field of interest. I would rather not come off as a total neophyte, so I will try to read as much as possible and gather my info accordingly. But...
Having 153 pgs to look over gets quite exhausting.
My questions are specific, but I'm worried that the verge on that line of "do not discuss"
I'll try to keep them as vague as possible.
I don't want to interrupt a flow of convo, just needed to make myself known. :bleh:

WildMage
12-05-2014, 11:46 PM
Greetings
I have many-many questions about this field of interest. I would rather not come off as a total neophyte, so I will try to read as much as possible and gather my info accordingly. But...
Having 153 pgs to look over gets quite exhausting.
My questions are specific, but I'm worried that the verge on that line of "do not discuss"
I'll try to keep them as vague as possible.
I don't want to interrupt a flow of convo, just needed to make myself known. :bleh:

First off welcome to the forum. I hope you will enjoy your time here exploring the various topics.

For the most part members here will respect your posts and questions and allow you to express yourself as you see fit. Feel free to ask questions and explore; this is what this site is all about. If need be where questions you may have do not fit into a particular thread topic, you can start your own. Many here are very knowledgeable and will enjoy a good discussion with you if you are so inclined. A couple things to remember the forum has a much more relaxed atmosphere so not getting an answer for a day or so is normal. Not all threads get a reply, although usually at least one or two members will acknowledge your post if it is in their realm of interests. Be respectful in your replies and simple rule of thumb just respond in a manner you would like to be responded to, or if what you have to say may hurt another simply refrain from posting if possible. This same respect you show will be reciprocated to you.

other than that there are very few areas which would approach a do not discuss arena. sometimes though for old timers it feels like a topic has been rehashed too many times. So some answers may simply point you to resources where you can do some research, or short answers, which reflect their current stance on a particular subject. Most however are still looking for something new and refreshing, a different angle. Anything that can shed a light into the phenomenon or give them something to think about. If you have anything along those lines please do share, they will love you for it :)

Have Fun

*WM*

The Trident
12-06-2014, 01:48 AM
Fantastic. As for the gritty questions, I'll keep to individuals I feel can help me progress my understanding of "what's going on".

To keep my long, detailed filled story to a minimum...
Had an acquaintance who showed me a couple of documents pertaining to the E.T. phenomenon. The experiment was to just read and report any abnormal effects. After a little while of back tracking, I'm led to here.
His story is odd enough. He basically told me to come here and see if I could find anything.

Fore
12-06-2014, 07:52 AM
Fantastic. As for the gritty questions, I'll keep to individuals I feel can help me progress my understanding of "what's going on".

To keep my long, detailed filled story to a minimum...
Had an acquaintance who showed me a couple of documents pertaining to the E.T. phenomenon. The experiment was to just read and report any abnormal effects. After a little while of back tracking, I'm led to here.
His story is odd enough. He basically told me to come here and see if I could find anything.Glad to see that people are using it as an experiment. I just wonder how far removed a person has to be from the originator of the account for the effects of monitoring to wear off?

I am guessing you got the documents via email or printed paper?

What were the results that had you track your way back to this forum? (if any)

Fore
12-06-2014, 08:35 AM
Also I get the impression that the ET are a closer to us than they are to the UT, at least in terms of their makeup, tangibility, need for technology, political strife, and so on. I agree with this. At first when you deal with the ET you assume they are something really strange. (well actually, yeah they are but...)

Then when you grow up alongside them, you understand "why they are the way they are". (more or less)

When you look at regular people comments who are uninitiated to their peculiarities, you sort of get where the regular person is coming from. At the same time though, you think of a dozen and one things that you would think is pretty obvious [to you] but apparently is not a given to the regular person making the comment.

So it turns out to be a frustrating exercise. Like explaining to someone why the driver inserts the key into the ignition when you feel it should be obvious. (yet it isn't to the uninitiated)



So if you consider black ops projects, for example, or just advanced military projects and operations, what would be the interaction between those guys and the UT? Maybe some of their tech has detected UT, maybe the know a tiny bit about these nonphysical entities, but for the most part they are removed from the whole UT "spiritual battle" scene. The UT might likewise not approve of what those projects are doing, but don't intervene either for whatever reason. The military focus is more on technology, intelligence and counterintelligence, geopolitical strategy, etc. because they're stuck in that mode. I was thinking perhaps ETs are just a more extreme version of that same dynamic. Actually I don't know the initial answer to your question.

But I have heard of stories where psychics working for the government encounter ~UT~ phenomena that hampers, interferes, prevents a certain development.

There is something worth mentioning. I am sorry if I have driven home the impression that UT (of the spiritual kind) are somehow segregated. As far as I can tell, they can stop human being, ET, or what have you, all the same.

It is a sort of myth that spiritual types (UT) of the living presence kind cannot interfere in worldly affairs. I think that myth stems from the way we see the UT as simply being some kind of paranormal event that is steeped in spirituality.

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It is rather obvious that the way we think about the ET and the UT (spiritual types) is incorrect. That way of thinking seems to lead to erroneous conclusions as to what they are capable of.

What I am sort of saying is that people need to reevaluate what is a commonly held belief system that is often really far off from reality.

If a UT is dispatched to shut down a particular objective or happenstance, I have no doubt they will succeed.

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The only thing different about a UT to an ET or a living human being is the manner in which they go about doing some objective they have been assigned to. They only lack a corporeal body like any other living thing in their default state. If ancient history and some of the UT statements are any indication, they can put one on and take it off at will. (literally materialize it "at will" allegedly)

I recall one UT whose mind I searched had an interesting tid bit about the rules behind their physical manifestation. Supposedly when they materialize a body, the mental content of the UT indicated that they cannot assume a pre-existing form. (As dictated by something/someone that my mind couldn't decipher as an expression I am capable of understanding)

Some kind of ~authority~ but not sure what the mental data was referring to inside the UT's mind.

I thought that was a pretty strange revelation. They can't materialize or put on a body or face that is already pre-existing in the human gene pool. (How would they know what exists vs doesn't?)

Another rule I picked up from the memories of another UT said something about prohibition rules. A manifested UT cannot eat or take pleasure in anything physical "at will". There was some odd thought forms in the mind of that UT that somehow there is a balance of indulgence that UT's are prohibited from engaging in unless they have been granted permission by some kind of ...unknown... .

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When I heard about that I kept it in mind. Later I wondered over the years afterwards as I read through the Bible, if this is why in the Bible the living Angels cannot procreate? Apparently, those beings have some kind of strict system of behaviors that seemingly confines their activity.

It's not like they can't manifest material bodies at will. So they basically wouldn't have any kind of pre-existing lineage.
They also have a whole ton of content in their minds about purity and...propriety.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propriety

From what little I can understand these beings lead a very different kind of existence than we do. They are confined in what they do and don't do. Their existence seems to depend on it.

Unlike here where we (human beings) pretty much do whatever we really want to.

Even the pleasure of eating while materialized is something that the UT can't indulge in "at will". It is as if they live (apparently perpetually?) with a strange "universal/existential" balance book in mind. (I have more I could say but I think I should cut it right there.)

The Trident
12-06-2014, 04:06 PM
I'm flabbergasted. :p
So randomly, you touched on points that seem to "spark" my interests and sort of answer, yet not; some of my questions. LoL
Lets get started, whilst rolling with the convo.

This started with a simple curiosity. ( Is it possible to show physical symptoms from reading any sort of document. ) Seems far fetched, right?
These were simple, paper documents he had printed off and kept them in a black folder like some sort of medieval sorcerer's spell book. He also kept reiterating that this was "of our own will to do this" and other variations of "you can back out at anytime". The question of psychic backgrounds and how distant the relative with psychic ability was. This all combined with not knowing really puts a reverse psychology spin on what it is, like I just had to know.
Moving forward a bit, we come to the actual "experiment" which consisted of various things. I noticed 3 different camera feeds, one regular, one with (what appeared to be) inverted colors, and with what I'm guessing was thermo-vision. A radiation detector and an RF scanner were sitting at the table along with the folder. Everything was kept light hearted and a simple "have at it" started the show. I had no idea what the material would be over. I figured it would be some sort of ritualistic chanting and I'd be made to look like a dumb(one) on camera.
I can recall a very sick feeling...almost like I was spun in an office chair hundreds of times. The material was what I'm guessing are memoirs of a psychic fellow. ;)
Then the feeling of floating. Like my head and upper body were a balloon. Also, (idk how else to describe this) but it was as though my eyes were not my own. It was the most f'd up thing...like there was a tiny man inside my head using me as some sort of camera. It really cut to the core of me because it was almost like I had no control, but slightly if that makes any sense.
I only made it probably 3-5 pg's in. (small print, a lot of verbiage I was not familiar with) and it just got uncomfortable. Like none of the words made sense. (even though I distinctly remember re-reading this one sentence over and over again and even out loud with no comprehension.)
Visualize me 2 inches away from the paper saying out loud "spot has spots" but not being able to comprehend the fact that spot has spots...It was a good 3 hrs before I felt normal again.
Afterwards, and about 2 days of confusion; I began to ask him questions. He began with that he knew very little on the subject, and if I had a "real" interest in this, I should look here. His demeanor was very stand off-ish when it came to discussing the text. He had claimed to have looked over it and had some interesting effects as well, but his were more prolonged and claims to "notice" certain things. :confused: As time wears on, I too am noticing things but in a different manor.
Keep in mind this was about 3-4 months ago. Doing this, then just being dropped off on your own is a little scary. I think I started to annoy him with the constant badgering because he would start every encounter with "find it yourself". But thats not the kicker. The kicker is when I go to look up anything pertaining to my "interests" its like a heavy energy that averts my attention. I will become interested in ANYTHING other than what I'm trying to focus on. Its quite funny actually. Trying to find good forum sites, or related data, then suddenly, I have the overwhelming urge to play ps4, or tear apart something mechanical. (tedious things) LoL This happened a good 20 times before I learned the triggers. Its almost like I have to preform a sort of mental loop-hole to bypass my "own desires"
I'm sorry if I'm coming off really crazy right now, but he assured me if I told it all here, that someone would understand what I'm getting at. Judging by the stuff I've read here, he was right.

The Trident
12-06-2014, 04:12 PM
First off, is there any sort of "mental training" I can look for or meditation techniques I can look over? (any good links really)
I find myself in mid-meditation and start to see things. It started as sort of a liquid-kaleidoscope. Blue and purple swirls and what looks like vibration waves. Here recently, they start to take the shape of crude images. None of which make sense...I remember one of a baby, then it might change to a circus. None of these make sense. :confused:

pontificator
12-07-2014, 07:36 AM
You would appear to have encountered an "active" work, there are several of those around if you look for them carefully.

I cannot be sure which one your friend showed to you though, so it might be worthwhile seeing if you can point us in the right direction so that we can examine it a bit closer [It is quite possible you were shown Fore's OMF thread, which is seriously heavy stuff, a copy to thread page 190 can be found here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMYVA5Y0VHLXZBcEU/view?usp=sharing. The Archive.org has more: https://web.archive.org/web/20110731005931/http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=1953&page=192]

With actual practice, you probably need to read what Fore was teaching me in that thread. There was another experimentation thread, I'll get it back from the dead a moment.

pontificator
12-07-2014, 07:50 AM
Here's Pontificators Experiment ;) Obviously someone doesn't like me giving you access, so here you are:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMZUZ6bURfUGZUc2s/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMZ2lhdWpPSE9YTFU/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMWVU3U19ITGdGM0k/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMVWpmMzVrakkwN28/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMQkhkRnZoS1REX0k/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMZURROEpRN3FlUmc/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMbWpGRnZ6OGpBcVU/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMMVE5NmQ5VFIyeWs/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMS0E2YW5ZOHVRVGc/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMdGh6WE9QaUxUaTA/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ghZwLH24gMekpQek1idEJ0THc/view?usp=sharing

WildMage
12-07-2014, 10:24 AM
I'm flabbergasted. :p
So randomly, you touched on points that seem to "spark" my interests and sort of answer, yet not; some of my questions. LoL
Lets get started, whilst rolling with the convo.

This started with a simple curiosity. ( Is it possible to show physical symptoms from reading any sort of document. ) Seems far fetched, right?
These were simple, paper documents he had printed off and kept them in a black folder like some sort of medieval sorcerer's spell book. He also kept reiterating that this was "of our own will to do this" and other variations of "you can back out at anytime". The question of psychic backgrounds and how distant the relative with psychic ability was. This all combined with not knowing really puts a reverse psychology spin on what it is, like I just had to know.
Moving forward a bit, we come to the actual "experiment" which consisted of various things. I noticed 3 different camera feeds, one regular, one with (what appeared to be) inverted colors, and with what I'm guessing was thermo-vision. A radiation detector and an RF scanner were sitting at the table along with the folder. Everything was kept light hearted and a simple "have at it" started the show. I had no idea what the material would be over. I figured it would be some sort of ritualistic chanting and I'd be made to look like a dumb(one) on camera.
I can recall a very sick feeling...almost like I was spun in an office chair hundreds of times. The material was what I'm guessing are memoirs of a psychic fellow. ;)
Then the feeling of floating. Like my head and upper body were a balloon. Also, (idk how else to describe this) but it was as though my eyes were not my own. It was the most f'd up thing...like there was a tiny man inside my head using me as some sort of camera. It really cut to the core of me because it was almost like I had no control, but slightly if that makes any sense.
I only made it probably 3-5 pg's in. (small print, a lot of verbiage I was not familiar with) and it just got uncomfortable. Like none of the words made sense. (even though I distinctly remember re-reading this one sentence over and over again and even out loud with no comprehension.)
Visualize me 2 inches away from the paper saying out loud "spot has spots" but not being able to comprehend the fact that spot has spots...It was a good 3 hrs before I felt normal again.
Afterwards, and about 2 days of confusion; I began to ask him questions. He began with that he knew very little on the subject, and if I had a "real" interest in this, I should look here. His demeanor was very stand off-ish when it came to discussing the text. He had claimed to have looked over it and had some interesting effects as well, but his were more prolonged and claims to "notice" certain things. :confused: As time wears on, I too am noticing things but in a different manor.
Keep in mind this was about 3-4 months ago. Doing this, then just being dropped off on your own is a little scary. I think I started to annoy him with the constant badgering because he would start every encounter with "find it yourself". But thats not the kicker. The kicker is when I go to look up anything pertaining to my "interests" its like a heavy energy that averts my attention. I will become interested in ANYTHING other than what I'm trying to focus on. Its quite funny actually. Trying to find good forum sites, or related data, then suddenly, I have the overwhelming urge to play ps4, or tear apart something mechanical. (tedious things) LoL This happened a good 20 times before I learned the triggers. Its almost like I have to preform a sort of mental loop-hole to bypass my "own desires"
I'm sorry if I'm coming off really crazy right now, but he assured me if I told it all here, that someone would understand what I'm getting at. Judging by the stuff I've read here, he was right.

empathy test maybe, a question perhaps, of would you connect with the person who wrote it.

are you naturally empathic?

How much of a skeptic were you before this encounter?

it is interesting they pointed you here.

do you recall the types of events being written about in the memoirs?

last question, do you feel your interaction here may be monitored, for example: to see where it takes you or perhaps reactivates a piece someone may have lost a few years back?

*WM*

Longeyes
12-07-2014, 01:51 PM
First off, is there any sort of "mental training" I can look for or meditation techniques I can look over? (any good links really)
I find myself in mid-meditation and start to see things. It started as sort of a liquid-kaleidoscope. Blue and purple swirls and what looks like vibration waves. Here recently, they start to take the shape of crude images. None of which make sense...I remember one of a baby, then it might change to a circus. None of these make sense. :confused:

The true nature of mind is like a mirror, good thoughts, bad thoughts, feelings and sensations are all just reflections, the true nature of your mind is like the mirror - it is naturally pure and clear.
Meditation is about getting some kind of understanding of non-ego. That doesn't mean eliminating self just eliminating virtually all your ideas you have about self.
'The Practice of Tranquility and Insight' by Khenchen Thrangu is a very good place to start. Anything you can read by either Dilgo Khyentse or Chogyam Trungpa will be helpful.

Have you had an experience in the past with a UFO?
Did you experience any missing time?

Before your relative did this experiment on you did you have any opinions about ETs or UFOs?
Who exactly was the experiment for and what does your relative do?

It sounds very much like reading the text acted as a trigger for an ET/ entity monitoring whatever you are reading? They came in had a look round to see what you were up to.
Fore is the real expert on that kind of thing.

The blocking could be one of two things either someone's hypnotized you and put in a block. The are plenty of stores of ETs doing this all the time but a hypnotist can do the same thing only an ET may be able to do it remotely. But normally they would work a bit better than that.
Alternatively it is just that you are going through a transitional period. From, you don't believe in UFOs they are a load of rubbish, to you not sure what the hell is true anymore, until finally you convinced they exist and can't understand why we haven't been told the truth. I remember going through the whole process myself. Your whole world view is doing a massive flip. The in between stage is not helped by the fact that we've been programmed by media etc to believe anyone who thinks UFOs are real is a nutjob, therefore you must be insane to believe it. Well you will come out the other side the sun still rises in the morning, the car still needs fixing and you are just as sane and a lot better informed than the majority of humanity.
They have always been worried that everyone will flip out if they are told the truth, bit like you have been. Well they will get over it pretty soon, we are hard wired for survival, accept new data adjust our world view then carry on surviving from day to day just like we normally do.

The Trident
12-07-2014, 07:47 PM
Gesh...I'm kicking myself for not coming here sooner. I've been playing this stress/mind game with myself on whether or not to voice my opinions on the matter.
I'll answer, then rebut,
To Pontif. Yup...yup...and yup. Those damn documents. lol If my memory serves me, I can recall these documents having some sort of URL on them out of an african server I believe? But your links are the same stuff. Reading until I hit the trigger word...(Pleadian) This word coupled with E.T. seem to get my brain buzzing. Need to know more about this. As for your experiment, Ima' have to read that over in great detail, seems like good-good stuff. ;)

To WM. I suppose I'm naturally empathetic, but only in certain situations. I'd have to say it's sort of like that episode of Dr. Who when that giant alien can tell if your guilty or not. If the subject is for a lack of a better word (innocent) then I feel like I can empathize with them more. If the subject has this (dark) aura around them, then my heart goes to stone. (no emotional emittance what so ever) I can def see your view of the experiment over anything else.
As for being a skeptic, I feel like I fall in with the scientific community as in it's too improbable with the numbers that we are the "only" intelligent beings out there. We could be meeting new species every couple hundreds of years to our position in the swirl of the milky way. My biggest wtf is that one just hasn't made themselves known to our people yet like that pompous guy at a football game. (Here I am, Look at me) sort of deal. LoL
My only "encounter-encounter" that I can justify would all have been since I've done this little test. Any other time, I would shrug things off as "im seeing things" or "flash of light off my glasses is just a reflection" Now??? Recently I was sitting at work with a fellow worker on a smoke break. It was a semi cloudy day and it was beautiful out. I might point out how I never look up....like ever. If the situation calls for it (loud noise) then yes, maybe. This is what I feel is wrong with us today; nobody is looking up. LoL
So, sitting there I decide to just stare upwards for a good min to a min 1/2...a tiny tiny hole in the clouds appears to were I can see the radiant blue sky, and there it was. About as low as any normal plane would fly, no wins, bright gold shimmer, looked like a rod. No wings, no emission trail of an engine, but the shine was so pretty.
I had a slight moment of "am i going ape $h1t"? But then I told myself to as for a reference, so I nudge and point at my bud. He blatantly points right at it (apart from my stealth behind the back point) and screams, "WTF IS THAT BRO?"
The "vehicle" entered the hole in the clouds from the left, traveling at an almost stand still. Which is why I began to think it might be a satellite, but as soon as he pointed at it, it noticeably accelerated and exited behind the clouds to the right. I'm guessing it was as big, if not slightly longer than a reg 747. Just have someone hold up a pure golden rod from a mile away and thats what I saw.
The other instance was at the pool, girl is changing in the bathroom, i'm on the layout deck chair...again, looking up. When I see a silver "thing" coming from the south. This one I really thought was a satellite, but it was extremely low...like re-entry low. I was waiting for it to glow and fire, but nothing. I managed to snap some pics with my phone...withing 2 min it was gone heading over the northern horizon. The pics are crappy to say the least, but I could see a silver belly with very reflective sides. Reminded me of one of those 1970's pics of the old top-hat models of a UFO almost. But sleeker.
As for recalling the papers, only very little. Those trigger words stick out like knives, the rest goes blurry. Something about him being a child and being approached by beings. I seem to focus on the negative male entities more than anything. Thats all I can recall of hand. Everything sort of gets jumbled and fuzzy when I try to rem it.
As for the last question...YES. I feel like I've been "monitored" since I did the damn thing. Like ringing it my ear to an extent of deafness. (which i havent experience since i was a child) almost like a grenade going off and that high pitched ring ring ring. Never lasts more than 15 sec.

To Longeyes. No real UFO experiences, no time jumps that i'm aware of. My "work associate" was the one who turned me onto this and this way. He has since found other employment so its a little tougher to reach him. (or he is just avoiding me all together) My opinions on UFO's/E.T.s was pretty neutral to start. Like I knew they were there, just didnt care.
I'm guessing the experiment was to test and see if anyone had reactions like his. I only got him to really talk about it one time, but it seemed he had a little trouble with his reactions. If i'm not mistaken, he had at least 2 or 3 others who did it. Don't know anything on that. As for what we do/work? I feel it would be wrong to say, but it's the most mundane and boring job to have. Nowhere in the realm of scientific...we just have a lot of thinking time on out hands. LoL

I feel like someone/something wants to talk to me, I just don't know how. This is my frustration currently, like talking to a foreign fellow looking for the bathroom. (I DONT /CANT UNDERSTAND YOU!)
And I don't feel like I'm in transition. It's like when this happened, it's like I already knew, if that makes sense. Referencing the movie Constantine (when isabel is held under water until she gets her "sight" back.)

epo333
12-07-2014, 08:14 PM
To Pontif. Yup...yup...and yup. Those damn documents. lol If my memory serves me, I can recall these documents having some sort of URL on them out of an african server I believe?

Could it have been this one...

http://www.exopoliticssouthafrica.org/resources/fore/

In the past, Fore's postings have had effects on many individuals...

Fore
12-07-2014, 08:55 PM
I concentrated too much on Post #1534 while reading. Made my abilities active in a painful way(headache). I had they typical activation routine occur. Mark like a vertical red slit on the forehead to show for it, when I looked in the mirror this morning. Last night a familiar old influence covered a part of the house. It is the pattern of someone who used to always use RP (remote presence) to watch and check in.

Haven't had that happen in a long while. Makes me wonder how I used to live like that. Terrible to consider that used to be the norm. Had to pray and ask for some UT intervention. The influence went away as soon as I finished a succinct and to the point prayer.

I'll answer your questions as I thought about it while reading your account. Most of it is explainable through two different possibilities.

WildMage
12-08-2014, 03:24 AM
To WM. I suppose I'm naturally empathetic, but only in certain situations. I'd have to say it's sort of like that episode of Dr. Who when that giant alien can tell if your guilty or not. If the subject is for a lack of a better word (innocent) then I feel like I can empathize with them more. If the subject has this (dark) aura around them, then my heart goes to stone. (no emotional emittance what so ever) I can def see your view of the experiment over anything else.


Ponti's experiment was very interesting to say the least, well worth the read, probably in segments though. Dark aura tend to be a deception of sorts where a person is sad but is attempting project an I am happy, not dealing with the cause. Internally their thoughts are less than happy, just an observation my daughter made when she was about 6 years old. she used to be able to see auras around people as little bubbles floating around them. Sh also made the statement that most people have black and purple bubbles around them. Quite perceptive on the state of society in general. I can see where your heart would go to stone, or otherwise absorbing way too much and being highly depressed from such interactions.



As for being a skeptic, I feel like I fall in with the scientific community as in it's too improbable with the numbers that we are the "only" intelligent beings out there. We could be meeting new species every couple hundreds of years to our position in the swirl of the milky way. My biggest wtf is that one just hasn't made themselves known to our people yet like that pompous guy at a football game. (Here I am, Look at me) sort of deal. LoL


They may have, and we just did not notice. There is an old indian story of how many did not see the tall ships when they arrived, because these were outside of their perceptive reality. It was not until many more began to accept it as possible from the few who saw them that their own perception shifted. It was as if the brain had nothing to relate it to and therefore blocked it out. There is definitely a lot of anecdotal evidence to show contact of some sort has been made. How much of this is officially hidden from the public remains to be seen, if there is ever an official disclosure.



My only "encounter-encounter" that I can justify would all have been since I've done this little test. Any other time, I would shrug things off as "im seeing things" or "flash of light off my glasses is just a reflection" Now??? Recently I was sitting at work with a fellow worker on a smoke break. It was a semi cloudy day and it was beautiful out. I might point out how I never look up....like ever. If the situation calls for it (loud noise) then yes, maybe. This is what I feel is wrong with us today; nobody is looking up. LoL


Busy lives, and the rat race to make a living, tends to exclude the moments of self indulgence. We do forget to smell the roses, to appreciate the world around us, or to take in and notices the environment we live in. There is a small percentage who pursue these avenues of thought and research though. Finding a discussion group willing to be open about it without any of the normal detractions is rare. Most here have been looking up and researching this material for a very long time.



So, sitting there I decide to just stare upwards for a good min to a min 1/2...a tiny tiny hole in the clouds appears to were I can see the radiant blue sky, and there it was. About as low as any normal plane would fly, no wins, bright gold shimmer, looked like a rod. No wings, no emission trail of an engine, but the shine was so pretty.
I had a slight moment of "am i going ape $h1t"? But then I told myself to as for a reference, so I nudge and point at my bud. He blatantly points right at it (apart from my stealth behind the back point) and screams, "WTF IS THAT BRO?"

The "vehicle" entered the hole in the clouds from the left, traveling at an almost stand still. Which is why I began to think it might be a satellite, but as soon as he pointed at it, it noticeably accelerated and exited behind the clouds to the right. I'm guessing it was as big, if not slightly longer than a reg 747. Just have someone hold up a pure golden rod from a mile away and that's what I saw.

The other instance was at the pool, girl is changing in the bathroom, I'm on the layout deck chair...again, looking up. When I see a silver "thing" coming from the south. This one I really thought was a satellite, but it was extremely low...like re-entry low. I was waiting for it to glow and fire, but nothing. I managed to snap some pics with my phone...withing 2 min it was gone heading over the northern horizon. The pics are crappy to say the least, but I could see a silver belly with very reflective sides. Reminded me of one of those 1970's pics of the old top-hat models of a UFO almost. But sleeker.


Those are some pretty cool first hand experiences. Did you get a feel of what they were in the sense of ours or theirs? In the sense of Ours would be a terrestrial craft built by some human organization, vs. theirs being of origins outside of anything humans could produce. I have always felt that if they ever truly uncloaked per-say to masses this would have a very surrealistic almost foreboding sense to it. Based on your own experience how do you think the general public would react to something like this?



As for recalling the papers, only very little. Those trigger words stick out like knives, the rest goes blurry. Something about him being a child and being approached by beings. I seem to focus on the negative male entities more than anything. That's all I can recall of hand. Everything sort of gets jumbled and fuzzy when I try to rem it.
As for the last question...YES. I feel like I've been "monitored" since I did the damn thing. Like ringing it my ear to an extent of deafness. (which i haven't experience since i was a child) almost like a grenade going off and that high pitched ring ring ring. Never lasts more than 15 sec.


The material you saw definitely sounds like Fore's old thread, which EPO is pointing you to. I never really had the monitored feel, but have had the distraction type events occur. Then again there are many times I have felt like I was one of those who was intruding and watching for information that should not be released. Not in the sense of stopping from being released but more of the sense of acquiring this information, which some may not want out in the open. More specifically something, which would connect some of my own experiences to the entities Fore speaks of. After many years of interaction with fore this is something i feel they absolutely will do everything in their power to keep from occurring. i.e. no confirmations allowed, always that seed of doubt to remain. To clarify further I believe Fore's story it is my own experience I hold in doubt. In a nutshell as frustrating as it it I suspect something knows confirmation would empower me on many levels to take actions I would not take without it.



I feel like someone/something wants to talk to me, I just don't know how. This is my frustration currently, like talking to a foreign fellow looking for the bathroom. (I DON'T /CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU!)


I do feel you have a lot more to say regarding this subject, and that we may have some truly interesting revelations coming from you in the future ahead. Something which I definitely look forward to.

I do have a question regarding your choice of user name "The Trident" it is a very unique symbol of power and mythology, not something which usually associated to ET/paranormal type discussions, or at least not a symbol a paranormal community would assign a high associative awareness value to. Yet a key and highly specific symbol of sorts, in the far depths of the realms we walk in. What does the symbol mean to you, and or do you know why you chose it? would love to hear the back story behind it.

*WM*

WildMage
12-08-2014, 08:22 AM
First off, is there any sort of "mental training" I can look for or meditation techniques I can look over? (any good links really)
I find myself in mid-meditation and start to see things. It started as sort of a liquid-kaleidoscope. Blue and purple swirls and what looks like vibration waves. Here recently, they start to take the shape of crude images. None of which make sense...I remember one of a baby, then it might change to a circus. None of these make sense. :confused:

I know you are asking for links or perhaps some type of repository on mental training. You could look up Qi Jong or Tai Chi... for the most part I would say taking these exercises from the physical to a mental visualization and feeling your body going thru the motions while remaining very still.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ9qM6G6l6g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ9qM6G6l6g

In the meantime you can also try the following:

Listen to all the ambient noise around you; is there a rhythm, a resonance or flow to this noise? Keep trying to hear noises from further away; you should
notice it has a harmony and/or rhythm of its own. The premise here is if your brain is busy listening it cannot keep chattering. Under extreme anxiety or fear
this is very difficult, which is why it must constantly be practiced when not under those conditions. It is also good to practice this in crowded places like a mall or
park where there is a lot of fluctuation in noise levels or sudden noise spikes. The key is to keep an even rhythm and to flow with the noise around you and to
quickly absorb and adapt to the noise spikes. This is like listening to a song and separating out the various instruments. Listen to each noise individually and
identify them, (people talking, footsteps, bags crinkling, balls bouncing, babies crying, kids laughing, etc.). You should also notice there is a constant level or
base line in the background like a low constant rumble which is the usual signature for internal facilities. For external locations this will usually be like a
metronome seashell type swooshing. This baseline should also be just above or below the ringing depending on your environment. Now close your eyes and
concentrate on this baseline while continuing to listen and identifying the noises around you. When you open your eyes again keep this state of mind, and notice
how quiet it is around you or how you are slightly detached from the noises around you. With practice even sudden noises that are close by and well above
normal levels can be absorbed without too much disruption to this state of mind. The key is non-resistance, relaxing and accepting the noise as part of the
current environment.

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lol talk about getting distracted in the middle of a post :)

--- initially I was not going to post the above exercise, figuring them days are behind me for the most part. well the small snippet if it helps is yours to practice with. Although if you want to explain afterwards, I am curious on how it works out for you.

*WM*

lycaeus
12-08-2014, 10:47 AM
no confirmations allowed, always that seed of doubt to remain. To clarify further I believe Fore's story it is my own experience I hold in doubt. In a nutshell as frustrating as it it I suspect something knows confirmation would empower me on many levels to take actions I would not take without it.
This is how I feel. I'm given just enough hints to have my suspicions, but if I had some real, in-your-face proof or confirmation, I would be a much more motivated and empowered person. i think it would really wake me up


Listen to all the ambient noise around you; is there a rhythm, a resonance or flow to this noise? Keep trying to hear noises from further away; you should
notice it has a harmony and/or rhythm of its own. The premise here is if your brain is busy listening it cannot keep chattering.
That's a good idea!

The Trident
12-08-2014, 10:06 PM
So much to take in.

Epo: Yes, thats where the documents came form. So why does one have a reaction to reading these??? Is it some sort of emotional transference through text?

Fore: Can you elaborate on "Abilities" and "succinct and point prayer" Then the 2 possibilities? I also wanted to poke and see if you knew a good answer to this question I've been rolling over.
-We, as a society, have a belief that we were created by a larger deity. Whether it be in his own image or not we find solitude that a higher form created us. Have you ever discussed the idea of where the E.T./U.T. get their origins?- What do they strive for/the ultimate goal in it all~ sort of thing. :biggrin2:

WM: I've been fascinated with Qi Jong ever since I read about it in the "Times: paranormal edition" Then I recently looked over an article off of "I F%c$ing love science".com, on the art of self healing. The notion of internal energies intrigue me.
So ever since I put my first post up, I havent been able to "meditate" or "see my swirls" like usual.

(Will continue later, heavy negative something is telling me to chill out) sort of like a very low-low vibration I get. wont go away till quit. very strange so far.

WildMage
12-08-2014, 11:07 PM
So much to take in.

Epo: Yes, thats where the documents came form. So why does one have a reaction to reading these??? Is it some sort of emotional transference through text?

Fore: Can you elaborate on "Abilities" and "succinct and point prayer" Then the 2 possibilities? I also wanted to poke and see if you knew a good answer to this question I've been rolling over.
-We, as a society, have a belief that we were created by a larger deity. Whether it be in his own image or not we find solitude that a higher form created us. Have you ever discussed the idea of where the E.T./U.T. get their origins?- What do they strive for/the ultimate goal in it all~ sort of thing. :biggrin2:

WM: I've been fascinated with Qi Jong ever since I read about it in the "Times: paranormal edition" Then I recently looked over an article off of "I F%c$ing love science".com, on the art of self healing. The notion of internal energies intrigue me.
So ever since I put my first post up, I havent been able to "meditate" or "see my swirls" like usual.

(Will continue later, heavy negative something is telling me to chill out) sort of like a very low-low vibration I get. wont go away till quit. very strange so far.

if it was not so darn ridiculously obvious I'd be crying instead of laughing,

--- hehe an evil thought just crossed my mind... :das ... I can makem jump thru hoops :biggrin2: Aren't they lucky I am a nice guy :bleh:

It is to be expected though, and have gotten quite used to replies being cut off in mid sentence, just ask Fore, he will vouch for it ;) i was half way hoping that when his abilities turned off it would be easier to pester him for information ... how wrong i was... anyway just take it one day at a time, and get yourself back into the comfort zone, and just work out where your path of least resistance is in regards to this whole thing. You may also want to keep notes of sorts for your own edification as to when and where those blocks occur.

as for the reaction you are getting, as you read down into the documents, Fore shares technology which I do recognize and could elaborate on. So you have a two pronged attack, because the technology shown per the advisor is already in a non-official ruling cabal's hands. At a certain level I can confirm this tech was acquired mid 70s thru early 80s. Specifically the time viewer, the black cube and the under the hood light based computing. As for the second prong, it has to do with Et truly not liking their dirty laundry being hung out to dry, wherein Fore explains how they perform many of their tricks persay. More or less pulling the curtain back and showing the machinations occurring behind the scenes. It is Public Relations control on their part, with a smidgen of ensuring certain timeline events do not get altered, for their own benefit of course. It appears as though they are more or less playing a probabilities game with the future, they know what the potential outcomes are and in a way have a predetermined path they would like for us to follow. There are also tips and tricks throughout the thread on recognizing and defending oneself from ET manipulation and control.

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The not being able to meditate bit is normal under the circumstance, I would say try a few different things, mostly in the mundane task and concentration arenas and see what works best for you.

*WM*

WildMage
12-08-2014, 11:25 PM
This is how I feel. I'm given just enough hints to have my suspicions, but if I had some real, in-your-face proof or confirmation, I would be a much more motivated and empowered person. i think it would really wake me up


That's a good idea!

I know what you mean lycaeus, we hold back, as if waiting for something, that will unlock a certain perspective on this whole thing. i can feel it I can even positionally vector in on it, but cannot approach it, like a wall/block or room I can rotate around from any angle I choose but cannot enter.

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I was actually going back over Fore's old thread last night, and playing with the idea of extracting the pieces i recognize, confirming them and then putting my understanding and details of what he is talking about to it. If I cannot get him to confirm what I need, then perhaps working it from a reverse angle will work better. <-- I seriously do not know why I did not think of this sooner. I must admit though I am slightly apprehensive about building out this common ground, we lost one board already, and the last time I tried things went really wonky. Anyway I am going to contemplate it for a bit.

*WM*

lycaeus
12-09-2014, 07:39 AM
I was actually going back over Fore's old thread last night, and playing with the idea of extracting the pieces i recognize, confirming them and then putting my understanding and details of what he is talking about to it. If I cannot get him to confirm what I need, then perhaps working it from a reverse angle will work better. <-- I seriously do not know why I did not think of this sooner. I must admit though I am slightly apprehensive about building out this common ground, we lost one board already, and the last time I tried things went really wonky. Anyway I am going to contemplate it for a bit.

*WM*

I only want to give you a bit of encouragement to do this. I read the old thread, and your insightful posts were helpful. They stood out and I remember others commented they appreciated it as well..actually, things got stirred up a bit when you started posting. I think others were reporting more interference, monitoring, and other oddities when you stepped in to rattle the cage a bit... Actually your attitude was humuorous and enjoyable to read through with words like "Onwards" and "Pushing forward..." :)

Fore
12-09-2014, 08:12 AM
I'm flabbergasted. :p
So randomly, you touched on points that seem to "spark" my interests and sort of answer, yet not; some of my questions. LoL
Lets get started, whilst rolling with the convo.

This started with a simple curiosity. ( Is it possible to show physical symptoms from reading any sort of document. ) Seems far fetched, right? Yes, it should in all honesty be far fetched.

The only reason why you have the reactions you do, is because you are unconsciously (psychically) trying to connect with either the person telling the account or the person whom is being described in the account. So distracting yourself on an ongoing basis helps you from doing that. (If that is what you really want)




These were simple, paper documents he had printed off and kept them in a black folder like some sort of medieval sorcerer's spell book. He also kept reiterating that this was "of our own will to do this" and other variations of "you can back out at anytime". The question of psychic backgrounds and how distant the relative with psychic ability was. This all combined with not knowing really puts a reverse psychology spin on what it is, like I just had to know. That was pretty insightful of him. This was my first clue that you had read something from OMF.

It was an old topic. I apologize for my rough shod writing back then. I wasn't very good at explanations and I don't think my browser pointed out misspellings back then.



Moving forward a bit, we come to the actual "experiment" which consisted of various things. I noticed 3 different camera feeds, one regular, one with (what appeared to be) inverted colors, and with what I'm guessing was thermo-vision. A radiation detector and an RF scanner were sitting at the table along with the folder.I would be really interested to know if they picked up on any anomalies with that much equipment.




Everything was kept light hearted and a simple "have at it" started the show. I had no idea what the material would be over. I figured it would be some sort of ritualistic chanting and I'd be made to look like a dumb(one) on camera. The irony is that it was a memoir, something that no one would normally believe would cause anything.

Very ironic, huh?

Fore
12-09-2014, 08:13 AM
I can recall a very sick feeling...almost like I was spun in an office chair hundreds of times. The material was what I'm guessing are memoirs of a psychic fellow. ;)There are two possibilities. I think one is more likely than the other. Though I don't think either explanation is mutually exclusive.

I am sorry for the late response, my abilities turned on slightly and that caused me to have to stay away for a bit until it settled down. It also makes me feel bad since I haven't done any maintenance in almost 2 years. (which is exactly what happened to you)

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The sick feeling and the sensation of spinning (specifically, your middle ear) is being thrown off by "influence" passing through tissues all around it) is a normal artifact of psychic activation. Most people I have shared this with usually point it out at various levels of intensity (and discomfort). The influence is just coalesces and passes through your torso and neck and winds its way to the top of your head.

Your body (and it's organic tissue) is normally saturated with a specific "density" of an influence field that belongs to you and is generated internally. You can vaguely think of it like psychic energy. When your influence moves around and gets denser, the fields that describe the fluids gets invisibly dragged along. Causing the psycho-kenetic aspects of fluids traveling against the arterial pressures.

The easiest way for anyone to understand it is to imagine a round fish bowl full of water representing your head. When the activation sequence starts, the fields increase in intensity ("density") and the fields are directed to the top of the head. As the fields migrate in intensity from one area to another, it causes fluids to become attracted to one side of the bowl. (of course in real life there is more than one focal point).

That causes your nausea, dizzy-ness, ear ringing, spin in your chair feelings. As well as that later described ballooning feeling since all the fluids are being attracted to the top of your head. (where a major influence center resides)

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That activation sequence is routine, but also signifies two things about you specifically since you are the one who described it.

--One, that you don't use your psychic abilities on a regular basis. (first possibility)

OR

--Someone ET or otherwise, activated your internal interconnect system from a remote location and began remotely affecting your field to a high degree. Something that is normally not done at a distance. (more likely)

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Two, that you don't use your latent abilities often at this level. Otherwise you wouldn't have experienced those symptoms. You would have instead described entirely different symptoms.

OR

Someone (likely ET) activated you remotely and then gained control of your psychic system. Like a remote hacker. It explains nicely (though stupidly) why it used your physical anatomy to examine the area. It also explains why you likely experienced a form of disassociation from what you described. Considering you have cameras and equipment, I suppose it was prudent (for the ET) to check out the area to determine the events surrounding your body and/or where you got the information from.


Then the feeling of floating. Like my head and upper body were a balloon. Also, (idk how else to describe this) but it was as though my eyes were not my own. It was the most f'd up thing...like there was a tiny man inside my head using me as some sort of camera. You probably experienced that acutely because of the circumstances of the cameras, RF equipment etc.

Had you likely been some dude on the computer reading it, you would have just suffered a casual look over.

Considering all this, your lucky you didn't get a visit in person to assess the situation.

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Normally, ET's can perceive cognitive data from afar without interrupting your the majority of your attention. Sort of think of it as if someone were to lift data off your senses and with a specific process figure out who you are, where you are, what you are doing with the data.

Basically, they can sense data about your awareness from afar without having to go to the extremes that you appear to have experienced.

So they'll know who you are, how much you know, and then begin profiling your background over time. To determine what you are up to and whether they should be concerned. The majority of members notice something/someone "strange" or "inhuman" is "connected" to them. But they see nothing physically.

Some described a heaviness in the air (focused influence fields projected from the ET), others experience a foreign presence permeating inside their own mindset (less common), and in your rare case, a sort of possession. Where the ET entity isn't being shy and simply seemingly prioritizes information gathering.

Normally, I would have said some ET should look into that and have a supervisor reprimand the ET for doing something that obvious. But whatever, not my problem.


It really cut to the core of me because it was almost like I had no control, but slightly if that makes any sense. Yes, it makes sense. You are generating a signal that is being drowned out by an entity with more force and control. Your body (the biology and the interconnect and its "influence" fields) was apparently obeying a stronger signal intruding upon it.

When they put someone to sleep during some abduction it is more or less the same method of application.

Your interconnect, (and everything down the line) is obviously going to realize that a foreign Identity is in control. Normally that isn't necessary though. Its a sign of incompetence or impatience on the ET if you ask me.


I only made it probably 3-5 pg's in. (small print, a lot of verbiage I was not familiar with) and it just got uncomfortable. Like none of the words made sense. (even though I distinctly remember re-reading this one sentence over and over again and even out loud with no comprehension.)
Visualize me 2 inches away from the paper saying out loud "spot has spots" but not being able to comprehend the fact that spot has spots...It was a good 3 hrs before I felt normal again. Also normal considering your situation at the time.

Both because the hardware that is your body and everything down the line is being subdued by a foreign entity and normally people say that they lose cognitive coherence during such an episode.

Meaning they "blackout" but "don't black out". ;)

Sort of like dialing down your awareness and suspending or inhibiting several cognitive routines. The stuff that makes you think coherently and clearly. Though you would likely have retained a finite amount of control in the specific situation you described. So your version is just like someone taking control but not throwing you out of the loop completely.


Afterwards, and about 2 days of confusion; I began to ask him questions. He began with that he knew very little on the subject, and if I had a "real" interest in this, I should look here. His demeanor was very stand off-ish when it came to discussing the text. He had claimed to have looked over it and had some interesting effects as well, but his were more prolonged and claims to "notice" certain things. :confused: As time wears on, I too am noticing things but in a different manor.

The obvious problem is that the ET usually do evaluations over a period of time. (if they are being succinct about it)

In the process, the level of the activation to gain control of the memories and metaphysical hardware causes the metaphysical hardware itself to become more active than normal. Meaning, you progressively become more psychic with every interaction.

(i.e. To "Notice" Things)


Keep in mind this was about 3-4 months ago. Doing this, then just being dropped off on your own is a little scary. I think I started to annoy him with the constant badgering because he would start every encounter with "find it yourself". I do wonder why he acted that way.


But thats not the kicker. The kicker is when I go to look up anything pertaining to my "interests" its like a heavy energy that averts my attention. I will become interested in ANYTHING other than what I'm trying to focus on. Its quite funny actually. Trying to find good forum sites, or related data, then suddenly, I have the overwhelming urge to play ps4, or tear apart something mechanical. (tedious things) LoL This happened a good 20 times before I learned the triggers. Its almost like I have to preform a sort of mental loop-hole to bypass my "own desires"
I'm sorry if I'm coming off really crazy right now, but he assured me if I told it all here, that someone would understand what I'm getting at. Judging by the stuff I've read here, he was right.That is something called TI/TM. (Thought manipulation/Thought insemination)

Normal, I think in the old OMF plenty of people had it on a daily basis. In this thread there aren't many participants (that I am aware of) but they should know about it.

Alot of your post is nothing outside of the norm. The only odd thing is the intensity of your experience. Might just have spooked an ET by having equipment around while they were gauging your profile.

It mainly happens because some people have latent abilities that they cannot consciously control. When they read my material they unconsciously think about the entity or person being described. Then that leads to them forming a psychic ping to the entity. You can also think of it as unconsciously focusing in on the ET who is being described in the text.

Obviously they return the favor by checking out who is reading the information that refers to them.

pontificator
12-09-2014, 08:27 AM
@Fore, I noticed an incident involving filaments yesterday. A presence arrived extremely quickly, I sensed it much like one would a blowing curtain coming to a stop nearby, then about 7 or so filaments at the top-front-left area of the skull were activated, unfortunately I am not at a stage where I can determine exactly what is going on during that process, but I suspect it was interested in my thinking at the time [entities have a habit of looking in when I'm doing some form of introspection, or speculation (especially speculation).] For some reason the thought of cataloguing all entities in your posts, and all descriptions and habits attached to them, seems to be causing a big up tick in matters [hint, hint.]

WildMage
12-09-2014, 11:12 AM
I only want to give you a bit of encouragement to do this. I read the old thread, and your insightful posts were helpful. They stood out and I remember others commented they appreciated it as well..actually, things got stirred up a bit when you started posting. I think others were reporting more interference, monitoring, and other oddities when you stepped in to rattle the cage a bit... Actually your attitude was humuorous and enjoyable to read through with words like "Onwards" and "Pushing forward..." :)

If I had a way of doing it without it affecting those around me, and without the roller coaster ride I would agree with you. <omitted> I also want something out of all of this, so it would not be all that altruistic either. <omitted> At least last time it was just for my own edification <omitted>

And I am also sure you noticed I have a very darkside to me too, which can be entertaining to some.

For your clarity and those reading it is actually really simple: I was gone, I was silent, and where I was posting; there was no threat, being imposed by my posts...

<omitted> .. Let us just say I do not like my future being screwed with, which brings me to the here and now ;)

*WM*

Now that we have that out of the way, I feel better :cool: forward and onward :angel_not:

WildMage
12-10-2014, 09:36 AM
If I had a way of doing it without it affecting those around me, and without the roller coaster ride I would agree with you. <omitted> I also want something out of all of this, so it would not be all that altruistic either. <omitted> At least last time it was just for my own edification <omitted>

And I am also sure you noticed I have a very darkside to me too, which can be entertaining to some.

For your clarity and those reading it is actually really simple: I was gone, I was silent, and where I was posting; there was no threat, being imposed by my posts...

<omitted> .. Let us just say I do not like my future being screwed with, which brings me to the here and now ;)

*WM*

Now that we have that out of the way, I feel better :cool: forward and onward :angel_not:

and so they came within a few inches of killing my wife 12 hours ago... I guess she still has a few guardian angels looking out for her.

lycaeus
12-10-2014, 10:57 AM
and so they came within a few inches of killing my wife 12 hours ago... I guess she still has a few guardian angels looking out for her.

:nono:

What?? That's incredible thank god she is okay. Merjose had a little visit last night with a shadowy character. I won't press you for details. I guess this is a warning? Well at least everyone is okay, thank god.

WildMage
12-10-2014, 10:58 PM
:nono:

What?? That's incredible thank god she is okay. Merjose had a little visit last night with a shadowy character. I won't press you for details. I guess this is a warning? Well at least everyone is okay, thank god.

i do not know, could be coincidence, for all i know, the timing of it is screwy though. It is definitely not something i like as a response if that is what it was. I will say this though, i tend to dig in and take the hard knocks path in a situation like that, absolute freaking defiance. At some point they would either have to kill me directly or come to some type of uneasy truce. When I was younger, this was tried wherein they would take thing from me until at a basic level it was a spartan type existence inclusive of bread and water and daily beatings. From a pragmatic standpoint i had nothing to lose, and when someone is at the bottom there really is only one way to go and that is up. Fear is usually associated with the loss of something, if a person is able to disconnect themselves from this or the loss actually occurs then the fear no longer exists.

*WM*

Fore
12-11-2014, 05:48 AM
I just want to say keep in mind that fear is only a motivator.

Like the Grey Males always used to say, if they make you "zone out" cognitively while you are driving on the road...for only a few seconds....no one will be much the wiser. It's "an accident" for all intents and purposes.

In other words, you'll just never come back after all is said an done.

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As I used to say in private, some ET have no love for anyone they deal with. When it is time, it is time. You get your pink slip and that is all there is to it.

It's bad if they discredit you and make it to the point that others believe it. It's only slightly worse if you die in the process.

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@ Trident

When you read back on the old OMF, you'll see some stuff where I positioned people into situations that is "unhealthy" for them. Basically by putting them at odds with a particular groups ET agenda.

It is a simple logic game (or is it really a game of chicken?). The ET members I knew wanted something specific, so you just go ahead and position people into a scenario where the ET members weigh perceived silence and anonymity TO active interventions. What I did was sort of like suggesting to someone who is skeptical of my account to actively stand in the way of an ET groups agenda. From their skeptical point of view, it's all in your head and there is nothing to see.

The ET has two choices, do nothing for the sake of maintaining appearances, or be active to preserve an agenda and risk being noticed.

It takes some effort to provoke a response that even a skeptic would do a double take on the circumstances. The funniest reactions were the private ones in PM. Where their faith that nothing is amiss is shaken but they won't admit it. The usual attitude was to watch and try to understand what just happened.

The ET members and the other ET groups that watched were often less reserved when it came to an abductee/experiencer/contactee who they usually wouldn't hide the monitoring side of the equation. The other circumstance where they were far less reserved was when it mattered; they apparently cared little if there was a skeptic or not in the way. Which brought about controversy between those "who noticed" and those who were sure nothing was amiss.

It was fun[ny] because it is like someone coming up to you and telling you they don't believe there are cars that drive down this particular highway. To prove them wrong, you'd tell them to lay down in the middle of the roadway and let the car hit them. When they cry out in pain, you sarcastically point out there is no car and the pain is only in their imagination.

Of course, the ET were often more pissed that you'd put them in that position than anything else.

They would sometimes have to figure out ways to smooth situations over. They also ("told me"/threatened tons of times) that they didn't want me to exacerbate the situation by posting anything that supported my accounts.

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Some foreign ET even came up to me and claimed that supposedly "human groups" were watching. Trying to ascertain where the ET themselves were at and where I had obtained specific pieces of information, at any given time.

Like the Grey Males, some foreign ET's pointed out that even if I didn't think certain pieces of information are that important. They said there are other parties who are well aware that the content that I wrote up know what is very real. That these other parties (human groups as they call them) are looking for the sources of the contact.

(The advisor said something similar almost 15 year before then, so I assume that is not an invention.)

Fore
12-11-2014, 06:14 AM
Just keep in mind that most ET I met are Strategically minded. They have basic behaviors that certain types adhere to.

Bonds and emotions/feelings are just a lever that they can turn to make someone do something. Some people are manipulated by their feelings from their vantage point. (though I make it sound more evil than it really is in my interactions in all honesty.)

So if they threaten someone you love, then you are expected to back down and obey.
It is really rare, I imagine, that you wouldn't care if they did hurt someone you cared for.
(That was my case in several different ways)

If it is a financial hold they have over you, they can reach (almost) into anyone they desire to achieve their ends. Anyone you depend on financially or a financial interest, they can destroy or build "on demand". Yes, yet another reason to back down and obey. (or at the least, stay within a specific parameter they wanted.)
(That was my case.)

If you need proof they can actually do what they claim, they will execute it as needed. When you have that proof, you are now aware of where you and they stand in this situation you find yourself in.

So you either obey or you suffer the consequences. I chose to usually suffer the consequences. Which were usually very bad on top of bad.

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The motto of the ET I knew is not trust, but control. They retain control and want predictable behavior. They want to confine your activity in a specific spectrum. If you for example decide to go out at an unexpected time, they will check in to figure out where you are going and why. (sounds crazy, but try being in that situation)

If you decide to take a different route home than normal, they will check in and revise the entire situation to see why you deviated from the norm.

If you tell someone something they shouldn't know, they will watch over you and them until they understand and can control the situation. (which is why printed material caused what it caused.)

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Some of the ET types are motivated by a pre-set agenda. Unless the supervisors tell them otherwise, they won't change their agenda. Some of the more intelligent ones are more flexible in their approach and aren't so predictable.

When things are "bad" you'll know it, because the supervisors from different groups have their "meetings"...and that is when you know they are up to something. When you (an extremely rare encounter) meet/see/glimpse or are addressed by a second level supervisor...ANYTHING goes.

You won't know what will happen next. (and yes, it is a scary as hell experience, because then and there you know you are in deep trouble.) These almost never have to have any interaction with you. They are only supposed to have interactions with other ET. The only time you ever even know they exist is because some ET tell you about it.

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Anyway, there are plenty of reason to not want to be a part of any of that. It is stressful and completely not worth it. I am lucky I get to walk away.

(Been scanned twice while writing this.)

Fore
12-11-2014, 06:35 AM
For example, lets say you just did something to really tick some ET off.

Your wife could have a nail gun in hand trying to fix some furnishing and end up shooting a nail in one hand. Why, temporarily distracted.
A little remote connection and anything is possible.

Or something more subtle, you have everyone on your case in a very abnormal way. Everyone you deal with is hostile to you all throughout the day. No reason to be, just as if some invisible presence is working on tweaking their settings in all the wrong ways. Tomorrow they will be back to normal. (that is an actual member experience. I don't recall if it was OMF or on here)

Or suddenly you are walking down some steps and your brain just locks up for half a second and you take a tumble and get a dozen bruises. (a little bit funny but do-able)

Anything that relies on a conscious cognition experience can be futz with remotely.

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If you were telepathic (at the level of an ET, not at the level of your average human being) and you wanted to be malicious, what couldn't you do?

You don't even have to be present in person to accomplish any of it. As line of sight isn't a requirement either.

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There are also more extreme possibilities of course.

But anyway, that is all words. The real deal is when you go through it on an ongoing basis and you realize that an ET is capable of alot of things outside a straightforward abduction circle.

WildMage
12-11-2014, 09:17 AM
For example, lets say you just did something to really tick some ET off.

Your wife could have a nail gun in hand trying to fix some furnishing and end up shooting a nail in one hand. Why, temporarily distracted.
A little remote connection and anything is possible.

Or something more subtle, you have everyone on your case in a very abnormal way. Everyone you deal with is hostile to you all throughout the day. No reason to be, just as if some invisible presence is working on tweaking their settings in all the wrong ways. Tomorrow they will be back to normal. (that is an actual member experience. I don't recall if it was OMF or on here)

Or suddenly you are walking down some steps and your brain just locks up for half a second and you take a tumble and get a dozen bruises. (a little bit funny but do-able)

Anything that relies on a conscious cognition experience can be futz with remotely.

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If you were telepathic (at the level of an ET, not at the level of your average human being) and you wanted to be malicious, what couldn't you do?

You don't even have to be present in person to accomplish any of it. As line of sight isn't a requirement either.

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There are also more extreme possibilities of course.

But anyway, that is all words. The real deal is when you go through it on an ongoing basis and you realize that an ET is capable of alot of things outside a straightforward abduction circle.

I have always given them a way out Fore, if anyone on this board knows this it would be you, because if anyone was detrimentally affected by such it would have been you.

Recent events however have made this a completely different animal. Coincidences of this type can be looked at in a few different ways, one it really is just a coincidence, two it is a warning, three it would have occurred but for an intervention, or something else I am unaware of.

<ommitted> (other than to say a few months back my family's future came under direct attack, and I have every intention of using every resource at my disposal to stop this.)

I am honestly hoping their actions are targeted toward being helpful, and not detrimental. At a personal level I gave up on knowing the source and to be honest can care less whether I can prove or disprove they were involved. I was and am still ready to chock the whole thing up to luck, miracles, and imagination and walk away. However in as much as there is a doubt in my mind of who, what and true intentions it makes walking away that much harder to do. <ommitted> As it stands I truly feel they at least have a shot at maintaining their status quo.

*WM*

Fore
12-11-2014, 09:41 AM
I have always given them a way out Fore, if anyone on this board knows this it would be you, because if anyone was detrimentally affected by such it would have been you.

Recent events however have made this a completely different animal. Coincidences of this type can be looked at in a few different ways, one it really is just a coincidence, two it is a warning, three it would have occurred but for an intervention, or something else I am unaware of.

*WM*You could always treat it as a coincidence because it might be just that.

The only way to be sure is through direct interaction. (I don't recommend but it is pragmatic...and I won't be a part of that)

You could also repeat the scenario multiple times and see if there is a consistent response. If you keep doing the same, and the same keeps occurring, then it is likely not a coincidence. I can help you there, but with extremely limited involvement because I have a good thing going and I don't want any "bad luck" from "poking the bear".

I can tell you what you shouldn't do and lightly guide you along the way to becoming a liability in some ET eyes.

Though, I can't be held responsible if things go badly on your end. As soon as "the bear" starts going after me I automatically bail. It is not at all hard to point you towards a head on conflict of interest. As long as your willing to go down that road you will invariably encounter...stiff resistance. I can even coach you on what to say from behind the scenes so you <evil smile> really get....whacked...full force. (lol)

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But anyway, if you say you have a wife (and a nice life) I strongly recommend on not poking any "bears".

Fore
12-11-2014, 10:07 AM
The first thing I remember the Grey Males really hates (and most ET I was involved with outside my ET group) was a conjunction of evidence.

In other words, if you state something they taught you, down play it.
Don't add context that people will be familiar with.
Don't show any external resources which back up a claim or a lesson only intended to be used by yourself.
Don't link together "seemingly disassociated" details into a coherent understanding and then pass that on. (I always broke that prohibition)

It created a sense of understanding details and processes in the people reading through it. They usually reprimanded me for doing it.

They (ETs) also usually cited that if I made my case too convincing they would take someone from the crowd to play the role of someone who would disavow it.
They usually said it was for my own safety, though in reality it is problematic for them because everyone starts to understand what different events are really about. That ~education~ taken from their lips and given to others without discrimination causes tons of problems that other ET groups then have to put up with.

It is not the same to deal with someone ignorant as to what the elements in X encounter is about as it is with someone who is better informed as to why X encounter plays out the way it does. (ask Pontif)

Some ET methods are...overall...simplistic.
If you know the trick to why anything is generally done, you have half the story of what is happening around you.

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Then, there is the (obvious) risk as they often said that other associated readers will create knock on events in their own experience.

So neither here nor there.
Claimed, but not proven.
Stated, but not made obvious.
A reader understood, but didn't really understand enough to make a difference.

It also makes things easier to wipe away.
It is incredibly hard (as they and I knew) if the claim is surrounded by evidence and secondary sources that had nothing to do with my experience, but which saw the same.

Even if they sent in a stooge that they were manipulating in the background with TI/TM (Thought Insemination/Thought Manipulation) it would be very hard to dissuade onlookers that what was said is supposed to be baseless if there was too much reinforcing a specific topic. So be vague (I was told) enough that no one learns anything, never connects anything together and is always lost as to what is real vs fake in any experience they are put through. They aren't there to learn and you didn't learn X topic so that you could teach anyone anything.


etc etc...

Fore
12-11-2014, 10:25 AM
For example,

Why wouldn't ET's want members to know that living presences can be attached to something other than a biological form?
Go and read Merjose recent account.

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1875-I-had-a-ET-encounter-one-day-ago-and-I-would-like-to-write-about-it

What if members started to wonder...is it possible to create artificial intelligence...not through electric circuitry...but through artificial influence patterns with synthetic (invisible to the eye) interconnects?

Could these be attached to living tissues (like the typical Grey)? What about synthetic machines not made of living tissue?

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Why would Merjose "ET" suddenly glow and change color (from his perspective) as it goes through the wall? (Should be pretty easy to guess)


I did not made this up.
I was sleeping on the couch. Suddenly a voice next to me said the following:

"We need to use the middle dimensional space because the other two dimensional entrances don´t work"


Next thing was that I still couldn´t move and turn around or jump up and these suddenly yellow shining dwarfs changed the color of their light and turned into blue shining light without any form of some figure, they just looked suddenly like a blue light and went both trough the closed window back outside.


but before I could ask myself what was going on, someone touched with cold fingers my left eye in a very gentle way, but it was not nice to do that and I heard a voice saying something like:

"Getting stronger, move on"

Wonder what they reference as "getting stronger"? ;)

Anyway have fun.

Fore
12-11-2014, 10:45 AM
What if members started to wonder...is it possible to create artificial intelligence...not through electric circuitry...but through artificial influence patterns with synthetic (invisible to the eye) interconnects?

In other words, if some ET could take a hand scanner and make a copy of your invisible consciousness and it's [influence] code. Then, took that invisible "influence code" to an editing station and whacked off what wasn't needed and reduced it to just a coherence of mental patterns. Would that be an "easy" way to make an artificial intelligence?

Since the artificial intelligence is like an "etheric copy" of intelligent life. It will need some sort of supporting influence hardware to perpetuate it's existence. How about creating artificial influence centers? Putting the interconnect into a living or synthetic tissue as a physical vessel.

Of course, more than one "influence center" (chakra) means there is an "inter-connect". A cluster of "influence centers" working together as a system...almost like a living being...except almost completely artificial.

What if you then use these artificial devices in abduction scenarios? Wouldn't these devices be capable of artificial psychic phenomena?

Hmm.

WildMage
12-11-2014, 12:22 PM
In other words, if some ET could take a hand scanner and make a copy of your invisible consciousness and it's [influence] code. Then, took that invisible "influence code" to an editing station and whacked off what wasn't needed and reduced it to just a coherence of mental patterns. Would that be an "easy" way to make an artificial intelligence?

Since the artificial intelligence is like an "etheric copy" of intelligent life. It will need some sort of supporting influence hardware to perpetuate it's existence. How about creating artificial influence centers? Putting the interconnect into a living or synthetic tissue as a physical vessel.

Of course, more than one "influence center" (chakra) means there is an "inter-connect". A cluster of "influence centers" working together as a system...almost like a living being...except almost completely artificial.

What if you then use these artificial devices in abduction scenarios? Wouldn't these devices be capable of artificial psychic phenomena?

Hmm.

What you are describing above is used as a jamming device, it is the override circuit tuned to a specific individual (and in some instances groups), so they can manipulate the emotions and thought patterns of said individual. <-- This includes the insemination and the blank slate over distance manipulations.

[edit to add] the device has pre-existing lines of association back to the source individual and will naturally connect with the individual's higher level thought patterns ... a great way to create interconnect templates.

Fore I do recognize quite a bit of the technology you write about, and I can if I really wanted to not only confirm it but do the same as above with other pieces of tech you wrote about.

But then again as an out for your group there are specification mistakes and there is also the aspect which i throw in that this can always just be my own overactive imagination at play. i have never been quite this specific however, but so you know, what could occur or unfold out of this.

*WM*

Fore
12-12-2014, 03:31 AM
@ Wildmage/Ly

My hats off to you on how you interacted with Merjose. Very fine quality questions and handling of the details. Very impressed.

lycaeus
12-12-2014, 07:49 AM
Thanks Fore. This is very interesting. Especially the idea of ETs scanning our soul/mind's/consciousness/influence-fields to copy and replicate it. Recently I've posted a conspiracy video on my blog and it is about A.I. technology in the form of black substance infecting and taking over people...also showing the black nano-fluid assembling itself into the shape of humans... we already have 3D printers. And scientists (in the public now) are learning how to code genetics, and create self-replicating cells...they're learning how to program and code living things like a programmer codes a computer program. I believe there are synthetic beings out there, so when you talk of making etheric copies of life it creeps me out.

The Trident
12-12-2014, 08:50 AM
Well, I thank everyone for the advice, but I seem to be at a cross-roads. I managed to read Wildmages comments with absolute ease. Me and him seem to be operating on the same wave length. I managed to read part of Fore's response before what I consider heavy energy in my "head-region". My theory is, that the trigger is within the words. If I'm looking at the screen, reading and getting more into the response, a heavy pressure from inside my upper mouth/behind the nose/low brain region. Almost like a pulse.
I plan to read all the comments and get to them accordingly.
I completely understand the need to get away from the screen and not touch "this subject" for a couple days at a time. It's almost like a security system, if I'm heading to the screen for "that reason", the noticing starts.
My "meditation" routine is a little complicated right now. Everything was dark, then I had a very clear view of what looked like something underwater. Clear as in my eyes could actually focus in and out of what I was viewing and I even felt the need to blink. (odd?)
I'm still getting nothing, but I'm looking into some energy exercises. I figure if the energy is flowing properly, then things will come naturally. Bruce Lee says "be like water" so thats how I am approaching this.

lycaeus
12-12-2014, 09:04 AM
I managed to read part of Fore's response before what I consider heavy energy in my "head-region". My theory is, that the trigger is within the words. If I'm looking at the screen, reading and getting more into the response, a heavy pressure from inside my upper mouth/behind the nose/low brain region. Almost like a pulse.
I often felt heaviness in my head working through reading Fore's writings. Often many ear ringings too, and other things... It took me a lot of focus and discipline to get through it all. You don't just sit down and casually sip your coffee and read Fore. Oh no, no, no... you hunker down, prepare for battle, get into a zen like state by contemplating the existence of non-existence (or whatever koan you want) and then you engage in a disciplined, focused battle to read and digest the information. You keep reading for a predetermined time you've previously agreed upon and forget about everything else but the focus until that time... at least it was fairly dramatic for me lol.

pontificator
12-12-2014, 11:22 AM
@The Trident, would you like me to push your abilities a bit higher? It'll produce a sudden surge, and then trail off over a period of time [a few days to weeks.] Usually individuals can get an idea of what is possible with a bit of work, and it also gives you a bit of a "full immersion" experience. No guarantees it'll work, but I have a habit of pulling it off.

With Fore's writings, if you wish a truly interesting experience, try connecting the dots and examining the details of the beings concerned carefully. Barging through, regardless of strange head pressure etc, the material usually causes something to happen;
Disclaimer: If you do get visited by beings, and periodically experimented upon, then please let me know all the details.

WildMage
12-12-2014, 10:22 PM
Well, I thank everyone for the advice, but I seem to be at a cross-roads. I managed to read Wildmages comments with absolute ease. Me and him seem to be operating on the same wave length. I managed to read part of Fore's response before what I consider heavy energy in my "head-region". My theory is, that the trigger is within the words. If I'm looking at the screen, reading and getting more into the response, a heavy pressure from inside my upper mouth/behind the nose/low brain region. Almost like a pulse.
I plan to read all the comments and get to them accordingly.
I completely understand the need to get away from the screen and not touch "this subject" for a couple days at a time. It's almost like a security system, if I'm heading to the screen for "that reason", the noticing starts.
My "meditation" routine is a little complicated right now. Everything was dark, then I had a very clear view of what looked like something underwater. Clear as in my eyes could actually focus in and out of what I was viewing and I even felt the need to blink. (odd?)
I'm still getting nothing, but I'm looking into some energy exercises. I figure if the energy is flowing properly, then things will come naturally. Bruce Lee says "be like water" so thats how I am approaching this.

one little trick I found to work a bit is to initially scan thru a section half way noting the areas being skipped over. then going back thru and reading the posts in reverse order, picking up tidbits of the responses and the highlights again noting the areas being skipped over, and also noting the areas not being responded to. Then read it in the correct order looking at what my mind wanted to skip over and primarily what fore skipped over in his responses in context of what was being discussed. From there I can usually get a good feel of what is getting pointed at. There are other times though that the additional info needed is witheld and the connections simply cannot be made directly, so it becomes speculative and an elimination process is needed to narrow down potentials.

here is a little something for you:

Chi Meditation Harnessing Your Chi Ghost Parallel Universe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xidBYJtiYic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xidBYJtiYic

From my own perspective I have not been able to eliminate the potential of Influence = Life Force or Chi. This could be wrong, however much of what I was taught technique wise runs parallel to what Fore explains, the difference being it was termed a Life Force on my end. It also ties back into what many older civilizations have observed and recorded over time. The technology aspects and the usage of this Life Force within various devices, where the purpose of each was explained. When you fight to get thru one of Fore's threads The video above will give you an inkling of how to do this with a little less hassle. It is a Mental Tai Chi, it is an essence of you or your Chi Body that figures out how to do it properly, and your faith in allowing it to figure it out for you. My way is not necessarily your way!

*WM*

Fore
12-13-2014, 03:45 AM
Thanks Fore. This is very interesting. Especially the idea of ETs scanning our soul/mind's/consciousness/influence-fields to copy and replicate it. Nah, I think you and Wildmage misunderstood.

I didn't mean for you to take it that way. I meant to illustrate "an idea" that you can have an artificial intelligence fashioned from studying living blue prints.

Mostly the idea was to illustrate a point that even though life (in our understanding) is defined by a living presence/soul attached to a biological body....There are alternatives that you might not be aware of.

If you take apart a living person (deeper than just skin deep) you can eventually figure out a way to sculpt a Non-living circuitry of intelligence. (In this case NON_Living is defined as sentient (of the environment) but not literally having all the living sub-components of a cognitive design.

In other words, it illustrated a basic point. That you body is a bag of chemistry. The majority of it is of living cells that cooperate in a biological system that balances itself out.

But to an ET who sees things a bit differently and more objectively, they could create something which is neither truly (cognitively) alive nor necessarily composed with purely biological components.

-------------------

I just tried to stretch out your horizons a bit. To make you aware that you might one day see "things" (automations) that move and can interact psychically, but aren't biological and aren't technically alive. (Artificial intelligence with an Alternative body composition)

And (as some contactees say in their accounts) you can have a living artificial intelligence that acts as a "computer sentience". It is psychic but immaterial inside a craft. It operates the craft, but has no physical body.

Sort of like a more advanced version of the Star Trek main computer. Except it interfaces psychically with the occupants inside the craft.


Recently I've posted a conspiracy video on my blog and it is about A.I. technology in the form of black substance infecting and taking over people...also showing the black nano-fluid assembling itself into the shape of humans... we already have 3D printers. And scientists (in the public now) are learning how to code genetics, and create self-replicating cells...they're learning how to program and code living things like a programmer codes a computer program. I believe there are synthetic beings out there, so when you talk of making etheric copies of life it creeps me out.

I want to talk to you about many things, but I don't know that you are flexible enough or might get the wrong impression.

For example, you mentioned that above. Have you ever wondered if the ET could create:
--Non-living influence patterns
--Influence Centers (chakras) of artificial design

And attach this design "energetically" to a piece of metal/crystal body that is maybe an inch or a few millimeters in size. That is then in turn implanted in the body of a living thing? (contactee/abductee implant)

===================

Imagine if you were to achieve this, what kinds of programming would you implement into this...."artificial circuitry of influence"?

Do you ever wonder what would happen to a living conscious thing if you introduced this foreign artificial design into a living organism like a human being?

Keep in mind it would be inert chemically and biologically. But would it affect the consciousness of a living being when the living influence pattern(s) washes through it? Would that metaphysical type of engineered hardware be able to monitor the living organism as if it were a third party influence center?

Fore
12-13-2014, 03:57 AM
I believe there are synthetic beings out there, so when you talk of making etheric copies of life it creeps me out.

Not necessarily etheric copies. But artificial etheric machine code.

Fore
12-13-2014, 04:22 AM
Well, I thank everyone for the advice, but I seem to be at a cross-roads. I managed to read Wildmages comments with absolute ease. Me and him seem to be operating on the same wave length. I managed to read part of Fore's response before what I consider heavy energy in my "head-region". My theory is, that the trigger is within the words. If I'm looking at the screen, reading and getting more into the response, a heavy pressure from inside my upper mouth/behind the nose/low brain region. Almost like a pulse.
I plan to read all the comments and get to them accordingly.
I completely understand the need to get away from the screen and not touch "this subject" for a couple days at a time. It's almost like a security system, if I'm heading to the screen for "that reason", the noticing starts.If you really want to know.

(Forbidden info from this line down)

What starts it all off is that the target (you) initiates the connection through your own initial psychic "ping".
This happens when you start reading and make the connection to X number of ET.

If this doesn't initially happen (and it doesn't appear to in some members cases) the rest beyond this point does not happen.
More steps would be required like active targeting by the ET by references from a third party.

The standard procedure is while they scan you, they leave behind a curtain of their "ET influence" in your field.
This is most usually done with an influence saturation technique which depends heavily on ESP and targeting.
It is also is done to get a position relative to the observer and to get other kinds of data characteristics of the target.

(Are you a female/male, height, shape, profile details (usually later with separate techniques)

At that point your field is "stained" and is accessible again and again until a full profile is established.
As your profile is built up, you become a part of a catalog.
As your details are looked up the information is memorized and committed somewhere (unknown).
(if it's an emergency they can do an intense session (like what first happened to you), but almost the sessions are executed pragmatically as a prolonged session lasting multiple days of on and off observation)

[Hint: The "weirdness" you feel for days afterwards.]

During the process, depending on techniques applied and intensity, your personal influence field retains this ET influence pattern.
The sessions if done too continuously (or if there are other factors not mentioned here) your field can become progressively more active.
Like a state of heightened psychic activity.

---------Things you should know---------

If you run away from the forum (as many members did) then eventually your personal influence field with sift out the ET patterns and eliminate it from your system. It might not affect your "enhanced" psychic state. (because everyone is different due to various factors)

But...

If you re-read the forum thread on an ongoing basis, you'll keep yourself both at an active and heightened psychic level and like most member keep pinging the ET with your psychic engagement.
You also end up getting scanned more often due to monitoring.
Sort of a reinforcing loop.

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Some peoples fields can retain an ET influence pattern for a long time (years) without destroying it inside their field.

Most contactees and abductees have markers in their invisible field if their ET are telepathic. That if you are psychic you can notice.

Other people are different and will destroy the stain in a few weeks or months and there is no longer a connection. (Unless the ET initiates it from the profile catalog)

==============

I am not too sure if I answered your question, but there you go.

Fore
12-13-2014, 04:24 AM
What you should do is play music in your ear, that won't allow you to concentrate completely on the text.

That way you don't "ping" as members used to call it. And you won't receive a subsequent scan.

Though keep in mind, if the ET intend to keep an eye on you, this really won't help at all.
Because they would then be "actively" scanning your living presence even from long distances.

Fore
12-13-2014, 04:31 AM
I often felt heaviness in my head working through reading Fore's writings. Often many ear ringings too, and other things... It took me a lot of focus and discipline to get through it all. You don't just sit down and casually sip your coffee and read Fore. LoL, I recall someone said they read it while drinking coffee from a printed set of pages. I don't remember who said it.



Oh no, no, no... you hunker down, prepare for battle, get into a zen like state by contemplating the existence of non-existence (or whatever koan you want) and then you engage in a disciplined, focused battle to read and digest the information. You keep reading for a predetermined time you've previously agreed upon and forget about everything else but the focus until that time... at least it was fairly dramatic for me lol.LOL, thank you for that.

I recall some people get that weird induced vibe that won't let them concentrate on what is in front of them. It is hilarious that we have to put up with any of that, huh? :p :)

WildMage
12-13-2014, 07:12 AM
Nah, I think you and Wildmage misunderstood.

I didn't mean for you to take it that way. I meant to illustrate "an idea" that you can have an artificial intelligence fashioned from studying living blue prints.

Mostly the idea was to illustrate a point that even though life (in our understanding) is defined by a living presence/soul attached to a biological body....There are alternatives that you might not be aware of.

If you take apart a living person (deeper than just skin deep) you can eventually figure out a way to sculpt a Non-living circuitry of intelligence. (In this case NON_Living is defined as sentient (of the environment) but not literally having all the living sub-components of a cognitive design.

In other words, it illustrated a basic point. That you body is a bag of chemistry. The majority of it is of living cells that cooperate in a biological system that balances itself out.

But to an ET who sees things a bit differently and more objectively, they could create something which is neither truly (cognitively) alive nor necessarily composed with purely biological components.

-------------------

I just tried to stretch out your horizons a bit. To make you aware that you might one day see "things" (automations) that move and can interact psychically, but aren't biological and aren't technically alive. (Artificial intelligence with an Alternative body composition)

And (as some contactees say in their accounts) you can have a living artificial intelligence that acts as a "computer sentience". It is psychic but immaterial inside a craft. It operates the craft, but has no physical body.

Sort of like a more advanced version of the Star Trek main computer. Except it interfaces psychically with the occupants inside the craft.



I want to talk to you about many things, but I don't know that you are flexible enough or might get the wrong impression.

For example, you mentioned that above. Have you ever wondered if the ET could create:
--Non-living influence patterns
--Influence Centers (chakras) of artificial design

And attach this design "energetically" to a piece of metal/crystal body that is maybe an inch or a few millimeters in size. That is then in turn implanted in the body of a living thing? (contactee/abductee implant)

===================

Imagine if you were to achieve this, what kinds of programming would you implement into this...."artificial circuitry of influence"?

Do you ever wonder what would happen to a living conscious thing if you introduced this foreign artificial design into a living organism like a human being?

Keep in mind it would be inert chemically and biologically. But would it affect the consciousness of a living being when the living influence pattern(s) washes through it? Would that metaphysical type of engineered hardware be able to monitor the living organism as if it were a third party influence center?

Perhaps:

i based my response on your final question.


What if you then use these artificial devices in abduction scenarios? Wouldn't these devices be capable of artificial psychic phenomena?

Wherein the lines of association would have been left in, vs. being washed out in what you are currently describing. Actually, I think what you are currently describing is to a degree removed from using an influence segment from a biological entity other than a study of its functional aspects. The replicated aspects are meant to work as an executable storage device. In the sense of the storage of patterns work as pointers, but as a whole the pointers become executable code, similar to nodes in a distributed program where functions are based on the set of nodes being activated. Further explanation would enter into how you could use a mathematical equation to draw a fractal, the fractal is simply a representation of the pattern used to reach into the memory aspects of the storage and activate the needed nodes. The activated nodes themselves unfold to create an overall interconnected fractal and their interaction is what the AI uses to execute the needed functionality. It is for lack of a better comparative an analog of Fast Fourier Transforms of light waves or what appears to be light waves, but in an etheric sense. <-- interactive multicolored solid (or haptic) light matrices, performing the calculations needed for instance, to run an anti-gravity air ship. Because it is light base the AI can be communicate with, at what appears to be a psychic telepathic level. the latter is still artificial telepathy because it is wave length based with the AI or machine/device. What is seen and felt by an entity communicating with this device is an immersive and interactive 3-D experience i.e. the control panels of the airship, or an historical event. The first allowing for the airship to understand what the navigator wants to do, and the latter as a learning tool, or as a manipulative construct in rewriting the memories of an event. The nodes/pointers for lack of a better terminology are rewritable or can spawn a new set of nodes/pointers as they interact with and record the environment in a feedback loop.

If you took the influence as you call it off of a living biological then the lines of association back to the source biological would continue to exist. These lines of association can either be weakened or enhanced. There are a number of things which can be done with this connection back to a source biological. Most of which has to do with control, all the way up to implantable technology, which will not be rejected by the source biological. < -- Am I wrong? If so explain.


*WM*

WildMage
12-13-2014, 06:49 PM
This will pretty much be it for me, I will check for your response, but afterwards will be running silent and deep. Thanx for your time and insight Fore.

Fore
12-14-2014, 12:15 AM
Perhaps:

i based my response on your final question.



Wherein the lines of association would have been left in, vs. being washed out in what you are currently describing. You are making a reference to what I told "The Trident" (an outpost member) about the weaknesses and strengths of monitoring someone remotely.

Basically, the patterns can cycle out of someones system. [The inherent weakness of this type of implementation]
But, it is easily implantable from a remote location without having to visit the person. [The inherent strength of this type of implementation]

--------------------Switching gears, consider a completely different implementation to the above, pointed out below----------------

Weigh the strength and weaknesses of the following implementation compared to the above.

Consider how the implant of a foreign influence center (chakra) via it's hosted (metal/crystal foreign body) is different in it's potential strengths and weaknesses.

If the ET doing a monitoring implementation uses a different technique such as an implant-[able] mini-body made of physical materials to host the artificial influence center. It is effectively self-perpetuated because it is not "just a stain" of influence that eventually fades. The device can also actively ("in theory") any content that it interfaces with. Sending back data relevant data to the [red flags x 10]....ET who is monitoring without the ET's continual attention.

Sort of like a futuristic implantable device that keeps track of the conscious field data that a person produces.

It won't consume any energy as it works on metaphysical principles. No need for a battery or an antenna as we know of it.

=====================
The strengths of this implementation is that it can be automated and is self-sustaining as a monitoring device. A simple metaphysical "influence center" (chakra) that is pre-programmed and does it's job regardless of whether the ET pays attention to it or not. It phones home as needed.

The weaknesses of this implementation is that it could only be implanted in person. It requires direct intervention.

=====================
Furthermore, I could see the possibility that...ahem...people undergoing hypnosis sessions could face transient interference as they are monitored.

Is it all wishful thinking; one can only wonder? ;) <-- Intentionally injected plausible doubt right here>

WildMage
12-14-2014, 09:49 AM
You are making a reference to what I told "The Trident" (an outpost member) about the weaknesses and strengths of monitoring someone remotely.

Basically, the patterns can cycle out of someones system. [The inherent weakness of this type of implementation]
But, it is easily implantable from a remote location without having to visit the person. [The inherent strength of this type of implementation]

--------------------Switching gears, consider a completely different implementation to the above, pointed out below----------------

Weigh the strength and weaknesses of the following implementation compared to the above.

Consider how the implant of a foreign influence center (chakra) via it's hosted (metal/crystal foreign body) is different in it's potential strengths and weaknesses.

If the ET doing a monitoring implementation uses a different technique such as an implant-[able] mini-body made of physical materials to host the artificial influence center. It is effectively self-perpetuated because it is not "just a stain" of influence that eventually fades. The device can also actively ("in theory") any content that it interfaces with. Sending back data relevant data to the [red flags x 10]....ET who is monitoring without the ET's continual attention.

Sort of like a futuristic implantable device that keeps track of the conscious field data that a person produces.

It won't consume any energy as it works on metaphysical principles. No need for a battery or an antenna as we know of it.

=====================
The strengths of this implementation is that it can be automated and is self-sustaining as a monitoring device. A simple metaphysical "influence center" (chakra) that is pre-programmed and does it's job regardless of whether the ET pays attention to it or not. It phones home as needed.

The weaknesses of this implementation is that it could only be implanted in person. It requires direct intervention.

=====================
Furthermore, I could see the possibility that...ahem...people undergoing hypnosis sessions could face transient interference as they are monitored.

Is it all wishful thinking; one can only wonder? ;) <-- Intentionally injected plausible doubt right here>

I see it as 3 separate scenario's the first one which I responded to was:

Scenario 1:
The influence came from Person A --> Person A's Influence is reworked to some degree --> The reworked influence is then used to affect Person A --> The reworked influence can be altered all the way up to being embedded into implantable device. It can also be used to remotely affect Person A.

ET takes Influence from Person A <-- Allowing ET to build devices with natural connections to --> Person A (Remotely or via implantable devices constructed containing Person A's Influence)

Scenario 2:
The Influence is not removed or gathered however it is studied to create some form of working replica. This in turn is used to build artificial components including AI which can control ET vehicles. It is not necessarily alive but can be used as a container for such. Main difference being the ET does not take anything and derives a working copy based on the study conducted of the influence field. It technically should not have any lines of association.

Person A --- No connection --- Working Copy

Scenario 3:
The current one you just responded with. Is ET/UT places a marker in the influence field which they can then use to create the line of association with. The main difference being ET leaves something behind vs. takes something they are going to work on.

ET Leaves behind Marker in --> Person A's Influence field <-- Allowing ET to connect to

----------------------------
The 3 scenarios could very well be related, but as far as source of the base material used for the technology they are different.
-- 1. Came from Person A
-- 2. ET built from whatever they have on hand, and is artificial
-- 3. Came from ET
At it's core it may be all influence and therefore irrelevant of where it came from, but I am thinking there is a difference since you are differentiating between the three. There may also be others but these three for the moment stand out.

*WM*

Fore
12-14-2014, 01:12 PM
I see it as 3 separate scenario's the first one which I responded to was:

ET takes Influence from Person A <-- Allowing ET to build devices with natural connections to --> Person A (Remotely or via implantable devices constructed containing Person A's Influence) That is an interesting way of looking at it. I guess that might be possible.

To be honest though, I haven't heard anything from the ET's since I have known them that would lead me to believe....oh wait...yes, I have. Okay, scratch that.

LOL, perhaps you have a plausible scenario.

Just to be upfront about things, I am not aware of them doing "clones of a persons influence field" and then using that to do what you described above.
Could happen though. Interesting idea.


Scenario 2:
The Influence is not removed or gathered however it is studied to create some form of working replica. This in turn is used to build artificial components including AI which can control ET vehicles. It is not necessarily alive but can be used as a container for such. Main difference being the ET does not take anything and derives a working copy based on the study conducted of the influence field. It technically should not have any lines of association.

You and I are breaking ground on subject I don't think I have ever talked about. The highlighted part is something I want to talk about a bit further.

===============

My personal view, (and this view may be totally wrong), is that ET's perhaps might have studied consciousness in the past. A collection of statements across years makes that pretty obvious. I don't mean the esoteric type of study. I mean the technical type of study, how it works, what makes things tick etc.

My personal view, is that they made A.I. using a truncated design derived from living things. (pure supposition)

Why do I think that? Mainly because of the way the advisor described some of the Greys development. I never really treated the Grey Males as if they were A.I. bound in flesh and bone. But after a few years you do start to wonder if they are really sentient.

What throws me off from thinking that the Grey Males were A.I. is that Greys become frustrated, and sometimes become pretty temperamental. Yet, if you aren't used to looking at their Identity on a daily basis when interacting with them, you would pretty much say one Grey Male looks like another and besides a few subtle hints, they are almost indistinguishable from one another.

So I wasn't exactly surprised when the Advisor let me in on some details about how they are born and it revealed the fact that they are pretty much hardwired from the start. There is no real Grey school (at least not from the ones in my former ET group). They don't appear to have any childhood experience. Instead (she alleged) the Greys like the ones which stood next to me are born/mature inside a little floating artificial-womb of purple liquid.

A little cable is shown in some of her telepathic imagery but she was sparse on some of the details. She once said that the conscious side was programmed through the cable. She showed me some mental understandings of the process without giving away too much detail or explaining very much. I only understood from what she passed on that the Grey (I think?) appear to be psychically hammered (for lack of a better term) with a specific type of cognition from the cable linked to something (unknown). This happens as they mature in the sack.

As they evolve in the sack, the constant hammering of...?~cognitive behavior patterning~?... builds up the Grey into a specific mindset. Like programming a A.I. consciousness of sorts. After some time, the hammering is supposedly replaced with higher functioning cognitive routines. That is when the Grey actually begins to absorb the stipulated behaviors and some of the information they will later use.

She said a few times that once out of the sack, the Grey is then tested for viability and is then made into a part of the working daily routine.

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Might explain why they all think very alike. But I was embarrassed to think that in front of the Males, because I thought to myself (before I knew) that it was like discriminating against an asian by saying they all look the same. (Frankly, growing up I had trouble figuring out which Grey was which because they were pretty similar to one another.

There was one ET that told me that I can't distinguish the differences because my mind doesn't see enough details and didn't know what should be apparent. So because of that, I assumed the Grey weren't A.I. and I was just really poor at distinguishing them apart. (In my late teens I figured out the nuances between different Grey Males and while not big by human standards, they were noticeable when...ironically...I became more sensitive.)

So for that reason, internally I don't treat and still haven't treated the Grey Males as if they were artificial. I am unsure if they really are. Their emotions throw me off...however limited they may be.

======================

Man, I went on a tangent...


Scenario 2:
The Influence is not removed or gathered however it is studied to create some form of working replica. This in turn is used to build artificial components including AI which can control ET vehicles. It is not necessarily alive but can be used as a container for such. Main difference being the ET does not take anything and derives a working copy based on the study conducted of the influence field. It technically should not have any lines of association.I am on the same page as you, I don't think the ET are geniuses all the time. I know for sure they use what is already pre-existing as it is evident if you ever hold a conversation about these topics.

I assume they must have figured out how consciousness works. The lessons the advisor showed me indicated that A.I. don't have souls. In other words, they are complicated etheric/metaphysical constructions with a host body of some kind. But they are missing the top half of what makes consciousness tick in living things.

In other words, A.I. supposedly won't have upper loop segments like you or I have. They may be put into a working biology but not necessarily be alive. (from a consciousness perspective)

================

What I do want to pitch to you is the idea that if they make A.I. then obviously they can control it. It also opens the door that certain Telepathic ET can tap into their automations consciousness and control the artificial body of the A.I.

I recall a few encounters where people have said the ET openly expressed that. Where one second the artificial ET is doing it's normal routine and suddenly it acts differently as if some other ET is remotely projecting through it.

The Trident
12-15-2014, 06:46 PM
Greeting friends.
I really don't know where to start, so I'll just purge everything on my mind.
First, I watched "the hidden hand" on Netflix and it had a surprising number of famous people within the ufo world. With all of that, there where some parts I really gravitated to. For starters, David Icke said there were different kinds of E.T.'s... (duh)
But it was one side psy, the other; none psy. When you look at the psy side, there are 2 factions more/less. The good, which helps our species every chance it gets. The other; wants to kill us. Why such a indifference?
Another story was of a woman on the verge of death and she is brought to a "heavenly" place with 3 positive figures, and 3 dark. They said do not judge us, we balance your world's energy. The witness claims to see them playing a massive board game with dice, as this represents activities within our world. (Creepy)
And lastly, A witness claims to have asked an e.t. that was "tuning" into him during a meditation. He claims the entity resides withing the 5&6 dimension. The witness also claimed that their crafts have the ability to bend and warp partially into our field of view, but can back out easily. If we see the 4th dimension as time, what would that make 5 & 6?
The longer I sit, the easier it is to get around the "ping" I send out...I feel like I have a lot more control over it. (To an extent)

The Trident
12-15-2014, 06:53 PM
@The Trident, would you like me to push your abilities a bit higher? It'll produce a sudden surge, and then trail off over a period of time [a few days to weeks.] Usually individuals can get an idea of what is possible with a bit of work, and it also gives you a bit of a "full immersion" experience. No guarantees it'll work, but I have a habit of pulling it off.

With Fore's writings, if you wish a truly interesting experience, try connecting the dots and examining the details of the beings concerned carefully. Barging through, regardless of strange head pressure etc, the material usually causes something to happen;
Disclaimer: If you do get visited by beings, and periodically experimented upon, then please let me know all the details.

I am intrigued good sir...give me more information about this.
Having watched that documentary, I'm terrified I'll wake up with a E.T. gps shoved up me nose. Not cool...
Also another question, has anyone taken over the research after (that one doc) passed away? He specialized in removing ET implants?

The Trident
12-15-2014, 07:06 PM
Another question... :-) and then I'll chill out, I can feel my head starting up.
The (making) of these ET's. The whole bio - chamber and growing of the lil guys...
What do I make of the human/ET hybrids? How do they have the ability to let only a select few see them basically at all times, while others say the (witness) is seeing things? Why can children see them more easily?
Had a flashback that I didn't know was there till I was walked through one of my very impressionable "nightmares". I remember telling my parents of this episode also...roughly when I was 9 I'm guessing.
There where to in my room. I remember sleeping, then suddenly waking up and seeing them. One stood by the door and one was in the middle of the room...at that time, the one in the room sort of shifted to look like a clown who was holding a miniature merry go round thing. The other never changed, just stood in the doorway peaking around. It's as though I distinctly remember this now, but at the time it happened, there is almost a cloud over it. I remember them, just being there, then the clown spun the toy, I passed back out, then it was morning.
Major nose pressure right now, maybe I've shared too much. Lol but seriously...this pressure behind my nose let's me know to "find other entertainment"

The Trident
12-15-2014, 07:09 PM
As for my name...idk.
Had many of dreams with (Neptune)/(Poseidon). A lot of water association...
And some dreams that question the norm.

(Like falling and hitting the ground)
(Car crashes with full crash and climbing out of wreckage)
Other things...

Fore
12-16-2014, 12:47 AM
Another question... :-) and then I'll chill out, I can feel my head starting up.
The (making) of these ET's. The whole bio - chamber and growing of the lil guys...
What do I make of the human/ET hybrids? It is a different subject and there is quite the disconnect between the two subjects.


How do they have the ability to let only a select few see them basically at all times, while others say the (witness) is seeing things?I do not know the answer to the first question. I surmise that it would probably depend on how you react (and how you keep reacting) to the child.

You can think of the schema of consciousness as being like a theme. You have one theme and the ET's have another.

In a hybrid I assume they would have bodies and brains (and therefore a consciousness) that is theme'd in a proportional way. The theme is the way it operates in relation to the world around them.

So I assume if you knew how to address questions and give answers that don't leave a bad impression in the hybrid, or that perhaps you fit the right profile to continue to have interaction with the hybrid...well, I guess (total guess) you would have a squared away role in the childs development.

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As for the folks who say that the witness is seeing things....that is totally possible in certain scenario's. Keep in mind the ET's can make you see things which aren't actually there. If someone ties into the field pattern that defines the content of your consciousness, like hacking a computer, they can make your consciousness experience things which are not objectively true. (or even external)

So those that claim there is no child may be correct in specific situations. For example, and I put this in a Machiavellian way, if having a connection to some ET project requires emotional manipulation, then so be it.

If a mother is detached to the entire encounter scenario, then producing a false illusory experience of having had children with the ET's is acceptable in some ET minds. If you believe you (as a mother) have children "up there". You will undoubtedly have a reason to go with the ET's to "see" your child or experience the mental/psychic scenario of a child.

While that is a disturbing application of logic, it is something straight forward that some ET's would not bat an eye in employing as a form of eliciting a cooperative behavior.


Why can children see them more easily? I asked that a few times a long time ago, the Advisor used to say that when your body is growing, your influence field has to cover extra tissue. So there tends to be an oversupply/over-generated field in young children.

So in effect, your collection of influence center(s), your entire interconnect, are constantly discharging at a slightly more significant rate than your normal body size requires. Because the extra area and cells require more infusions of influence and they grow out.

In other words, most kids, (not all) will have a higher discharge than your average adult for their body size. Hence, making them slightly more psychic.

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Adult psychics try to figure out how to artificially generate a more massive field to recreate the same effect.



Had a flashback that I didn't know was there till I was walked through one of my very impressionable "nightmares". I remember telling my parents of this episode also...roughly when I was 9 I'm guessing.
There where to in my room. I remember sleeping, then suddenly waking up and seeing them. One stood by the door and one was in the middle of the room...at that time, the one in the room sort of shifted to look like a clown who was holding a miniature merry go round thing. The other never changed, just stood in the doorway peaking around. It's as though I distinctly remember this now, What you remember is the data feed that your consciousness processed. That one was likely corrupted by the ET in front of you who was likely doing what I said above. Altering your field data so that it created false perceptions.

The same way that you saw one of them shifting back and forth between a clown and an ET, is the same way someone can be forced to perceive an animate baby in someones arms. (even up to the false sensation of touch)

There are likely parts of your field data though that likely recorded the physical data sans the changes.

But that would only be found in the higher parts of your consciousness loop.



but at the time it happened, there is almost a cloud over it. Depends on what you mean by cloud. If you mean a drugged up feeling, that is when they have full (short distance) control over the way your brain is operating. Just as they take control, you should feel foggy and out of it.


I remember them, just being there, then the clown spun the toy, I passed back out, then it was morning. Yeah, thats pretty normal.


Major nose pressure right now, maybe I've shared too much. Lol but seriously...this pressure behind my nose let's me know to "find other entertainment"Heh.

You should see what "the pressure" is like when the ET's have control over your anatomy and you were like me back then. Like they can flip the switch to "off", I can keep it forced on "on".

Short of them hurting you, you can artificially (with your own psychic structures controlling your body in the same way they do it) you can keep yourself forcibly awake. Pisses them off though.

The Trident
12-16-2014, 04:06 AM
Do you remember anything you used to do for them?
Lol was it like a job? Did you receive compensation?

I just don t understand why this "higher species" would have the need to poke and prod into an individual's life such as yourself.
What's the one big thing that we can do, but they cant.

Anything to say on the dimension aspect?


(Having a good day, [almost] no interference or energy signatures.)

Fore
12-16-2014, 12:56 PM
Do you remember anything you used to do for them? I remember everything that was committed to memory as being important.


Lol was it like a job? Yes, but I would say more like a constant chore. Other times it wasn't.

A few times it was fun and interesting. Mostly when I got to display abilities and confound people around me.


Did you receive compensation? No.

You could say I learned many things, but that wasn't worth a years worth of struggles. In the end, I don't see it as valuable and have abandoned it.


I just don t understand why this "higher species" would have the need to poke and prod into an individual's life such as yourself. They do it mostly for their own reasons and agenda. Not for me.


What's the one big thing that we can do, but they cant. Be human(e).
Even though they are all different from one another, the majority of them lack the strength and weakness that we human beings have in ample supply.

When you felt love for someone you cared for, and you chose to put yourself in a bad situation for their sake, right there you have a Grey beat a thousand fold.

Some of them are empty (emotionally) on the inside. Some of them are literally incapable of experiencing the same emotional experience as you and me. (because some ET are physically different from birth, their theme of consciousness and body isn't made to work that way. Not really their fault in this case)

When the ET look for a person to caress a hybrid baby as some abduction stories depict, it is probably because they don't experience the same thing inside your chest that makes you want to hold a baby nor feel anything for it. It may be biology. May sometimes also be norms that are engaged in to such a degree that they are incapable of reciprocating on that level.

When you can't control yourself because you feel there is some kind of injustice or you see something wrong, right there you have beat 90% of the more intellectually advanced ET individuals I have met. The fact that you cannot control your impulses makes you and me "better people".

I don't want to make generalized statements because there are many types and each with their own way of existing. So I can't say one thing without misapplying it across a broad range of ET types.
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What would you say if one day you gained advanced psychic abilities to control your entire lower and higher consciousness? Can you imagine being able to dial down an emotion because you have such an exaggerated (inhuman) control over most parts of your psyche?

When things are "wrong", you wouldn't stop yourself anymore, because you could plow right passed that and still be fine with it, well past the end. That strength is their weakness.



Anything to say on the dimension aspect? You'll have to be more specific?



(Having a good day, [almost] no interference or energy signatures.)That is a very good day.

Listen, I suggest if you want to continue reading my account, you learn how to distract yourself so you don't make the connections. If you can't figure out a way to mitigate that, you might just be better off walking away for your own good.

Personally, I prefer the good quiet days to the ones with ample interventions.

Fore
12-16-2014, 10:24 PM
Good video posted by Edward in another thread:

Source: http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?1879-Consciousness-Independent-of-the-Brain-Dr-Bruce-Greyson

A Scientific Look at Consciousness and a very well done presentation.



Edward




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en-3Bz1RMig

The Trident
12-16-2014, 10:51 PM
If you guys were to make a rough outline of the 11 said dimensions in simple terms, how would it go? :-)

Also, I was cruising the Web last night and found some good techniques for dimensional meditation. A big rule it had was asking for protection against low vibrations. Would you know of examples of low vibes?

Fore
12-17-2014, 12:51 AM
If you guys were to make a rough outline of the 11 said dimensions in simple terms, how would it go? :-) It is outside my background experience.

I only use common mystic analogies when absolutely necessary to draw parallels between understandings of a subject matter. I wasn't taught on the "dimensions" speak that most mystics seems to know. So it is really foreign to my understandings.


Also, I was cruising the Web last night and found some good techniques for dimensional meditation. A big rule it had was asking for protection against low vibrations. Would you know of examples of low vibes?That mystic speak is pretty much outside my background.

I can draw parallels at best to that subject but "my [background/views]" and "those views" wouldn't match up.

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There are common misconceptions found in mystic circles which are popular but untrue.

SOME ET are well versed on the various meme's in circulation, and actively utilize them (and sometimes create them) to confuse or augment confusion in various sectors of the human population.

If you and I sat down for a few days you'd come out of it more aware of what is wrong with various systems of understanding. (then again, doesn't everyone always claim that is the case? :p )

Fore
12-17-2014, 12:54 AM
Lets just say, there are myths that are popular.

Some of the popular ones originate "from above". Some of them are simplifications of complex topics, while others could be considered...compositions to create confusion.

If an ET welcomes you into their arms, and asks you to write a book....watch out.

Fore
12-17-2014, 05:49 AM
Just wanted to point out in the video posted by edward (post #1589) that most of his descriptions fit pretty well with a person utilizing their "higher" mind (and the "upper loop" features). Of course, in the case the man presents it is mostly of people who temporarily die and lose the "lower loop" of their consciousness. (the part of consciousness that is processed through the organic body)

Starting around the 32 minute mark. (In case you want to get to the interesting parts first)

People like me, and the ET, have deliberate access to those features/functions of the upper loop of consciousness. (in a controlled way)

Even while we are still alive.
Even while we are in the middle of sleep for that matter.
That part of the loop remains perpetually aware even when ones own "lower loop" is unconscious.

The problem is of course that if you decide to control the whole thing from the top-down, it taxes the lower mind and you incur physical fatigue as the biological side can't keep up.

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The easier way is just to treat oneself as two halves.
Bottom-top control means you utilized your lower consciousness to send messages to your higher consciousness.
The higher consciousness part of you then takes over the functions in it's domain.
Only then relaying the information you ask for like specific details of a psychic query.
That obviously reduces fatigue on the lower mind and it's associated anatomy.
But leaves you with open access whenever you need it.

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Of course that only addresses half the problem.
As the interconnect (the collective influence centers embedded throughout your body at different points) have to maintain a steady and robust flow of "influence" to create an "influence field". (A psychic field)
This "influence field" then allows the two systems to talk to one another more "effectively". (the upper and lower loop of consciousness in any individual)

Though, that robust "influence" affects anatomy (at least human anatomy) and creates secondary problems.

The only way to overcome that is to adhere to similar psychic development like that of the ET.
By using EFM (external field) psychic structures one can reduce the footprint of the effects on the body (to some degree).
IFM (internal field) psychic structures can't handle the flow correctly as it tends to propagate throughout the body. (increasing the foot print of damage to tissues and processes)

The idea is to eventually build up an EFM field that allows EFM-based structures to retain a sufficient charge that then reduces the load on the internal side of the body (the IFM structures).

All in all, it is technical, but that is an extremely brief summary of things.

Fore
12-26-2014, 07:01 AM
http://www.thevideo.me/embed-luu2a11bcfyc-853x480.html

Alternative link: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/191259/Ancient_AliensAliens_Among_UsS7E3/

Worth Watching.

pontificator
01-12-2015, 11:22 AM
@Fore, if you were to ask your Guardian Angel to shout at you, and an Alien to do the same, which positions would you expect to sense the effect within the skull? [I need to confirm something.]

Fore
01-12-2015, 08:22 PM
@Fore, if you were to ask your Guardian Angel to shout at you, and an Alien to do the same, which positions would you expect to sense the effect within the skull? [I need to confirm something.]It's a different answer depending on the variable conditions at the moment.

I haven't heard much from her lately unless it counts.

The last time I heard her intervene to stop "a runaway argument" I was having was about 5 days ago (around there). Before that probably months, maybe a year.

When she called out to me I heard it resonate across my mind and the "upper loop". It's like someone calls you to attention by speaking across various levels all at once. I wasn't paying attention to the details so I can only report specific things. I recall when she called out to get my attention, she was standing about 5 or 6 feet to the back of my right. Before that moment I hadn't even noticed her presence nor even seen her in quite some time. So her intervention revealed her presence.

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I don't recall any local pain in the head area when it happened. My abilities weren't active at the time. What was obvious was where the call to attention came from.

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As for the ET, it is again variable, depends on which individual it is and the method applied (and the kind of telepathic data employed).

I can recall a few brackets that most ET individuals fall within.

Most tend to create the head pressure in the center of the skull slightly above. Others use the EFM structure (the ring like structure) and it doesn't induce any real head pressure. That version feels like...I guess a wrap around feeling around the skull. You can sort of perceive the indirect "influence" interaction around the periphery of the skull.

Another popular bracket most telepathic sensations fall into is (mostly used by the Grey Males) was the sensation of pressure slightly off center of the skull, slightly forward and slightly to the right.

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It depends alot on the ET individual and what they intend to convey. If it is only thoughts directed at you, you usually only feel slight buildups of pressure inside the skull. If they are trying to convey complex technical information that is mostly centered in thought type of communication, you'll feel that wrap around the head feeling.

If the occasional ET uses the upper EFM ring above the head, you might feel not much of anything except the interfacing of their influence with yours. (and increased clarity of communication)

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If you come across the occasional ET oddball who uses the purely "lower loop" telepathy, the experience is much more intense. More about changing the state of the brains sensory perception. (Seeing visual representations which sometimes interrupt your normal visual perception. Mostly things which use your senses rather than your thoughts to convey information.

But it can be alot more invasive and brutal (symptom/sensation wise) when they do the "lower loop" telepathy type. I consider it a lack of skills/manners more than anything. Usually the ET's who do that type are doing an abduction and are less than 20 feet away. Or they are ~seemingly~ newbies who prefer to use tactile "parlance" rather than thought forms which just about do the same only less invasive and disruptive.

Usually ET's only use that in extremely close proximity use the sensory type of telepathy.

pontificator
01-13-2015, 12:09 AM
@Fore, Reason I ask was I tend to do some very strange things, as you know; looks like I've experienced most of the range now, to a point, and maybe not with a high degree of finesse. This is one of those things which I was reviewing, and realized I'd never asked for comparative purposes [to confirm what I'd run into was the real deal as it were.]

So, going back a fair bit I specifically gave permission to a guardian [I've never heard it say a word really, but I was interested if it would] for it to shout at me [I had the thought it'd probably want to let off some steam at some point, and I saw no harm in it.] I also went one step further, and asked on high to allow it to as well. Anyway, it actually worked... The sensation was like wind rattling my inner ear, but not physically, more like a metaphysical tree receiving a good gust of shaped wind akin to a shout. It wasn't harmful, too loud, nor painful, just simply there.

Fore
01-13-2015, 02:23 AM
@Fore, Reason I ask was I tend to do some very strange things, as you know; looks like I've experienced most of the range now, to a point, and maybe not with a high degree of finesse. This is one of those things which I was reviewing, and realized I'd never asked for comparative purposes [to confirm what I'd run into was the real deal as it were.]

So, going back a fair bit I specifically gave permission to a guardian [I've never heard it say a word really, but I was interested if it would] for it to shout at me [I had the thought it'd probably want to let off some steam at some point, and I saw no harm in it.] I also went one step further, and asked on high to allow it to as well. Anyway, it actually worked... The sensation was like wind rattling my inner ear, but not physically, more like a metaphysical tree receiving a good gust of shaped wind akin to a shout. It wasn't harmful, too loud, nor painful, just simply there.Yeah, like a type of resonance shaking the metaphysical parts of yourself.

That doesn't happen too often. (To me at least)

With me it usually only happens when the person emitting the telepathic "influence" bombards you with "excessive force". During abduction attempts the ET employ more than normal influence. Usually, I assumed it was because they require more control over everything that is transpiring around them.

Which is how I realized that you average ET can exert more influence than is safe for your body. They apparently understand the threshold and keep from going more intensely than that. Though I'd imagine people could start bleeding from their nose, I know I almost did when they kept trying to put me to sleep and it wouldn't work.

Fore
01-13-2015, 04:56 AM
Worth watching:

The Atticus Institute

http://www.solarmovie.is/link/show/3920476/

...more fact than fiction in my opinion. (on the basis of the elements being very realistically portrayed in this work of fiction. Well except the heart bursting thing.)

pontificator
01-30-2015, 11:26 AM
[retyping this, had an issue with a mis-typed key that threw me back a page...]
I came across this purely randomly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouqn-BsLVp0
I noted some very familiar descriptions, which would be what I would expect of an individual not overly familiar with psychic phenomena. Whether this is the result of a dramatic increase in influence production, or the translation tables leaking excessively is unknown. [Errr, okay, there is an outside entity here right now... lights in the house are flashing, my UPS is handling a weird power event, and the temperature has just gotten really cold. Plus I picked up its presence really well.] I am rather interested in how those two aspects affect the higher mind in either case [okay... today has been excessively hot, now I feel like I'm in a fridge... talk about hitting on a topic of "interest".]

Most noticeable is that the individual is not experiencing pain, even though they are obviously not normally operating at a higher psychic level. This could quite naturally point to no psychic phenomena being present, or that the individual is experiencing what a psychic individual can, but without the directed state presented from higher-mind to lower mind interpretation [i.e no actual ESP is taking place, and she is experiencing random data flowing through the temporarily expanded translation tables.]
I'm personally wondering how she flicks into that state, and if it can be induced from the higher-mind down to the lower-mind without the normal "My head is being crushed in a vice, and I feel as though barbed wire is coming out of my head" sensation; I no-longer have that particular problem, but it took a while to get a hang of it properly.

Fore
02-02-2015, 01:01 PM
[retyping this, had an issue with a mis-typed key that threw me back a page...]
I came across this purely randomly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouqn-BsLVp0
I noted some very familiar descriptions, which would be what I would expect of an individual not overly familiar with psychic phenomena. Whether this is the result of a dramatic increase in influence production, or the translation tables leaking excessively is unknown. You are right, I see what you mean.

At 2 minutes or so, it sounds like she is describing a hyper-sensitive awareness of the "influence space" around her. What caught me off guard was how lucid she appeared to be during the experience of LSD. I half expected her to somehow be more like a drug addict under the influence of drugs.

What I also found incredibly interesting was the descriptions of the man at the end of the video. He seemed to also be describing some kind of transient psychic awareness. Very interesting results they had.


[Errr, okay, there is an outside entity here right now... lights in the house are flashing, my UPS is handling a weird power event, and the temperature has just gotten really cold. Plus I picked up its presence really well.] I am rather interested in how those two aspects affect the higher mind in either case [okay... today has been excessively hot, now I feel like I'm in a fridge... talk about hitting on a topic of "interest".] Seen some strange stuff myself, but I have no comment at this time.


Most noticeable is that the individual is not experiencing pain, even though they are obviously not normally operating at a higher psychic level. This could quite naturally point to no psychic phenomena being present, or that the individual is experiencing what a psychic individual can, but without the directed state presented from higher-mind to lower mind interpretation [i.e no actual ESP is taking place, and she is experiencing random data flowing through the temporarily expanded translation tables.] I see what you mean. I am kind of surprised you understand it at that level. You always keep surprising me. I wish there were more members like you.

I agree, very strange artifacts. Perhaps some kind of hypersensitivity? Or maybe the settings on the filters in the upper loop become less filtered?

Really interesting results.


I'm personally wondering how she flicks into that state, and if it can be induced from the higher-mind down to the lower-mind without the normal "My head is being crushed in a vice, and I feel as though barbed wire is coming out of my head" sensation; I no-longer have that particular problem, but it took a while to get a hang of it properly.Those sensations have more to do with your immaterial psychic structures developing and the lack of extension.

As you already know, if a psychic keeps things tip-top, they won't really experience any pain during psychic activity. They just can't ever go into a lower state, as what you described will happen every time they do a "yo-yo" activation.

Psychic abilities seem to require an always-on characteristic for there not to be any pain during it's use. Unfortunately, we are both human beings and our influence supply is less than continuous. So...that means we will always resort to the "yo-yo" style activation. Be it months apart or days/hours apart between heightened states and lower states of functionality.

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Perhaps like you said, the filters (in the upper loop of her consciousness) were damaged/tweaked and she started to see things she shouldn't be able to. Sort of like an OBE experiencer sees things they shouldn't while "in-body" and with the upper filters in effect.

Without generating a field, she would have to have been extremely hypersensitive. I noticed she seemed to be describing the influence patterns behind light? Maybe I am imagining it in her words, but I have only seen those patterns during hypersensitive testing. It's not something you can regularly sense by default unless you specifically query it.

So lots of interesting observations by the woman.

pontificator
02-03-2015, 11:20 AM
@Fore, I'm quite curious as to how the physiological change induced the alterations to other systems at the influence level. One of the thoughts that came to mind was that it might possibly be tripping one of the activation steps used by the ET's, given that they are on record as having said they altered aspects of humanity for certain "features"; I also suspect its a step that is activating out-of-order.

Now, I'm not advocating going out and dosing up on LSD [if some readers were wondering...] that's liable to lead to lots of problems, but finding out what it triggered, and how it can be triggered, is of interest. My thought when I was writing the original post [before everything went really weird in the house] was along the lines of:
If the change can be identified, then it is possible that other changes can be identified, and from this the ET activation routine can be gradually derived. Theoretically the activation routines would result in the altered sections of the Human Psyche becoming accessible, and would theoretically be more stable than the current approach [which is essentially trial and error, with guidance from those who have been trained but don't necessarily know the ins and outs of all available routines.]

If these routines could be identified, then it would be possible to perform field testing of willing participants, and from that the candidates with the most stable/complete implementations of the historical ET alterations could be identified. Very interesting implications, no?

Arkki
02-03-2015, 01:28 PM
Notice that the experiences are recorded at 3 hours has passed. The build-up on LSD is slow and gentle. If there are unfolding structures and increased energy flows, it develops slowly. It causes temporary new connections in the brain, mixing the signals of the senses, and for example, vision starts to look like you see everything through a moving fractal-filter. How this filter changes the perception is affected by all senses - feeling of your breathing, music and sounds you hear, and quite possibly, sensing the surrounding influence phenomena - but it is not only that. In general, you'll sense more, senses meld together, your perspective changes and if perceiving it as such - become more consicious of the psychic elements. Personally had an experience where, for a while I felt, what can only be described enlightened, I assume that for a while, had a clear conscious connection to the higher mind and sensed existence from that perspective. Even as it passed, it was enough to convince that the state is possible to experience and reach, without chemical shortcuts. That was good while ago, and back then, I didn't know of the topic at hand, so I cannot speculate in more detail how the activation sequence actually happened.

You mentioned that the translation tables increased in size - could you elaborate more on that? As in, translation tables as elements of interconnect / influence body, increase in size growing larger, or as in, as brain temporarily rewires, they grow in amount of parameters, as there more ports to be open for influence data to flow through?

pontificator
02-11-2015, 11:29 AM
Notice that the experiences are recorded at 3 hours has passed. The build-up on LSD is slow and gentle. If there are unfolding structures and increased energy flows, it develops slowly. It causes temporary new connections in the brain, mixing the signals of the senses, and for example, vision starts to look like you see everything through a moving fractal-filter. How this filter changes the perception is affected by all senses - feeling of your breathing, music and sounds you hear, and quite possibly, sensing the surrounding influence phenomena - but it is not only that. In general, you'll sense more, senses meld together, your perspective changes and if perceiving it as such - become more consicious of the psychic elements. Personally had an experience where, for a while I felt, what can only be described enlightened, I assume that for a while, had a clear conscious connection to the higher mind and sensed existence from that perspective. Even as it passed, it was enough to convince that the state is possible to experience and reach, without chemical shortcuts. That was good while ago, and back then, I didn't know of the topic at hand, so I cannot speculate in more detail how the activation sequence actually happened.

You mentioned that the translation tables increased in size - could you elaborate more on that? As in, translation tables as elements of interconnect / influence body, increase in size growing larger, or as in, as brain temporarily rewires, they grow in amount of parameters, as there more ports to be open for influence data to flow through?

The translation tables are actually a topic that I'm still working on myself, as they are not exactly something I actively "play" with as it were. Essentially they are part of an interconnection point, translating one form of communication system to another "Self->Spiritual Body- >Higher Mind->[Inter-connect] Filter->->Body/Lower Mind" In a Psychic individual these translation tables a leaky, and as a result have grown over time due to the formation of structures created by excess venting of "influence". Should the body and other aspects of the individual be built correctly, then this will not cause damage, otherwise it can cause pain and physiological effects. Even a well-tuned Psychic will suffer various forms of damage, as Humans are simply not built to handle such abuse.

In describing the translation table as expanding, this is part of an unfurling process that occurs in Psychics, where these additional structures come into play through them being effectively deployed as extensions of the translation table. In more advanced Psychics structures form externally to the individuals translation tables, and therefore to the exterior of the body, allowing for more advanced control and manipulation of the surrounding influence. The reduces the damage to the main body of the individual, and also allows for more complex operations to be performed, or additional structures manufactured to perform advanced functions. Over time the Psychic individual also develops some interesting internal structures that extend when the Higher-Mind interacts with the external structures; I suggest reading from the beginning of this thread, and Fore's linked material, it goes in-depth, and it has also been a long time since I talked about this aspect specifically [meaning I will probably make a mistake here and there, so best to double-check.] Overall, though, if you want more than basic skills then you will need to get the Higher-Mind working with the base structures, and then move on to using the extendable internal structures to interact with the far more useful external structures [IFC{Internal field control} vs EFC{external field control}, you want EFC, IFC will kill you slowly.]

An important thing to note, the awareness of psychic phenomena is essentially a synesthesia of your normal senses with the surrounding influence, and even getting your higher-mind to place information it is analysing directly into your mind is also much the same. LSD appears to induce synesthesia, which in turn means that previously hidden paranormal phenomena may become apparent to the experiencer; this does depend if the individual has psychic capabilities in the first place, and to what degree they are viable, as not everyone will have the correct base structures to work with [for those of you who may have studied parapsychology I will point out that a random sample population will unitentionally bias an experiment; a telepath can communicate with another telepath, but not usually with a non-telepath. Throw two non-psychics into the card experiment and you get no better than chance, throw two incompatible psychics into the same situation and you get the same, and differentiating psychics from non-psychics is hard enough as it is, leading to the "you have to be one to know one" effect, but even then psychics have differing fields and may simply not be able to produce an effect; it's an incredible mess.]

pontificator
02-22-2015, 10:02 AM
Note to Self: Current analysis of implants of an indicated extraterrestrial origin indicates a composition of mostly asteroid-belt based materials. Additionally, the elemental distribution of said objects shows them to be of artificial construction. Therefore it should be possible to use an influence construct to survey a population in stages to determine individuals with said implants, as they would have their own signature structure which would unique compared to the normal influence fauna and flora found on earth.

1) Identify at least one implant and memorize the signature matching it.
2) Use RV analysis of objects found and described at various points in time to build a signature library.
3) Further to 1, and to make 2 possible, develop a table construct capable of observing this particular phenomena.
4) Perform an RV grid-search of populations that are incredibly dense [Gaza and NY City seem to be good candidates, but more locally might serve just as well.]
5) Assemble an RV team to allow multiple passes over the same grid locations, which should allow for confirmation and the identification of likely individuals outside of initial field capabilities [psychics don't necessarily all have compatible fields, and the same should be true of implants and their own output fields.]
6) Select candidates which may be communicated with, in an effort to see if it is possible to direct them to the forum "out of the blue."; [this is the bit that I think the ETs would just love... in much the same way when you discover your cat is pretending to be starving and eating at a nearby neighbours house.]

Fore
02-26-2015, 05:15 AM
Note to Self: Current analysis of implants of an indicated extraterrestrial origin indicates a composition of mostly asteroid-belt based materials.


Whats that about?

pontificator
02-26-2015, 07:01 AM
Whats that about?
Dr. Leir covered quite a bit in terms of implant analysis. There is not much physical material analysis otherwise, and it is the best that I've come across [there may be better, so give me a heads-up if you spot it.] More information can be found here: http://www.alienscalpel.com/ He also did a fair few interviews and TV appearences on the matter, and seemed very approachable when discussing the matter with interviewers.

This also ties in with observations of ship construction from the Advisor, and would make sense from the point of view of using local materials close to hand. It does beg the question, though, whether or not those operations would be noticeable by future mining operations from our end, as the expected elemental distribution will be inconsistent in pre-mined rocks.

Longeyes
02-26-2015, 02:44 PM
Hi Ponti
Jeremy Corbell got pretty close to Dr lier towards the end if his life the film features heavily on one of his final abductees
He was on coast to coast in jan
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/corbell-jeremy/71151
And was showing a brief preview of it at the international ufo festival last week

Fore
03-01-2015, 10:37 AM
Notice that the experiences are recorded at 3 hours has passed. The build-up on LSD is slow and gentle. If there are unfolding structures and increased energy flows, it develops slowly. It causes temporary new connections in the brain, mixing the signals of the senses, and for example, vision starts to look like you see everything through a moving fractal-filter. How this filter changes the perception is affected by all senses - feeling of your breathing, music and sounds you hear, and quite possibly, sensing the surrounding influence phenomena - but it is not only that. In general, you'll sense more, senses meld together, your perspective changes and if perceiving it as such - become more consicious of the psychic elements. Personally had an experience where, for a while I felt, what can only be described enlightened, I assume that for a while, had a clear conscious connection to the higher mind and sensed existence from that perspective. Even as it passed, it was enough to convince that the state is possible to experience and reach, without chemical shortcuts. That was good while ago, and back then, I didn't know of the topic at hand, so I cannot speculate in more detail how the activation sequence actually happened.

You mentioned that the translation tables increased in size - could you elaborate more on that? As in, translation tables as elements of interconnect / influence body, increase in size growing larger, or as in, as brain temporarily rewires, they grow in amount of parameters, as there more ports to be open for influence data to flow through?

To answer your question, they "grow" in the amount of parameters that can be transcribed. (at least in a sense)

To get the right context of exactly what "growth" means, you'd have to think about the living person in a distinctly different manner than normal.

Imagine the human being who is growing from infancy to adulthood as a biological system. A mass of living tissue that grows out and changes in size.
Then, if you imagine the invisible parts: The influenced-based "interconnect", the influence centers (energy centers), as being attached to this growing system.
You might then get an idea that the interconnect and all it's smaller parts and components adapt (to some limited degree) to the changes. I am not sure you could characterize that as "growth" but more like subtle adjustments in those [invisible] parts.


When you exercise your psychic features, the functions that are normally latent/dormant begin to unravel inside influence structures. That is a more significant kind of "growth". Perhaps "development" would be the right word to use rather than growth? I dunno.

Point is, the sublayers that are invisible do undergo changes, but the changes are not all that obvious or really all that uniform in nature.
Not all changes are the same in the characteristics. There is also a ton of other points to talk about, like for example, why someone who exercises their psychic profile is more easily able to communicate via these invisible [metaphysical] layers called "translation tables" (the psychic kind, not the other type) than someone who is physically healthy but can't really experience their other [invisible] aspects/components or higher mind.

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Its a deeply interconnected subject that doesn't take alot of imagination but does take a bit of memorization on the different aspect you can't see, but can experience "directly" through advanced awareness.

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Half of the "magic" by ET's is pretty much about how to adapt a translation process that can effectively communicate with the organic tissue that controls the body.

---Thats what the invisible filaments are there for as they extend up and above the brains surface.
Those act as spot to spot connections. (as best as I understand it)
Those feelers link down into the neurology and make chemical/organic processes influence-able. <-- key point

---The other [psychic] components are the amplification and control mechanisms that sit around these invisible filaments as they extend above and inside the head.
The structures sitting above and around the filaments are the "ring-like" "halo". That structure appears to induce the signals that then become physical processes inside the neurology.

Fore
03-01-2015, 10:38 AM
Think of filaments as both a wire and as a random number generator (a dynamic tumblr).
Like an invisible vertical wire it goes from a few inches above the head, down straight through the top of the skull and into the various regions of the brain.
The ring-like halo psychic structure induces an encoded signal into the filament.
The filament then interferes with the biological structure it intersects with and causes "controlled" changes in living matter.
The filament acts as a waveguide (an antenna). The biochemical neurology reacts to encoded signals as they become events in the biochemistry.

Sitting below and to the side of this (inside the skull) are more influence centers that act as amplifiers and flow regulators.
These internal influence centers that sit inside the skull; intensify and regulate the influence that that makes the filament a coherent structure.

When you perform an activation, you feed influence into these structures. Therefore they act as flow regulators and taps for everything above.
That is why your chest, neck and head initially ache during a "psychic" activation.

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The translation tables sit far higher in the invisible system. They turn metaphysical higher mind data, (if tuned properly) into data formats that can influence the organic tissue through these filaments.

When you think right now inside your mind, those coherent words, (and all the other chatter in the background) are being induced via those filaments and the halo-like control ring.

The invisible is translated into a physical type of stimulation. You experience a thought process because of it.
Though most people don't have any conscious control over what the content is to any high degree.
If you ever sit there and read passively the content of peoples minds' it is like a runaway train without much in the way of a conductor.
Sort of like an acceptable (by societies standards) ADHD sufferer.

Fore
03-01-2015, 10:57 AM
Note#1:
By the way, PSI weapons (apparently studied by the Russian and Americans), apparently work because this vulnerability exists.

Despite the fact that a normal individual doesn't have influence structures full developed (nor fully extended), they are vulnerable to noise that causes influence "noise". The difference is that their ring-like structure is extremely weak and sits sandwiched inside their skull. It never full extends outside the parameters of the skull.

Anyway, the PSI weapons folks seemingly made the obvious connection (from what I can see in documentaries), that physical phenomena can affect living influence patterns. (and vice versa)

Hence, using electricity (a physical phenomena) to generate influence noise (a metaphysical phenomena) is one way to disrupt some forms of coherent thought process inside a brain.

The electricity itself does nothing, but rather, the electricity when osculating in a specific manner generates influence noise. Which in turn affects living systems dependent on weak influence signalling.

Note#2:
ET can use their own amplified psychic structures to generate signals to interfere with thought processes in other living things.

pontificator
03-03-2015, 09:52 AM
@Fore, I'm looking for a simple method for instigating replay of past events during REM sleep, especially expunged events that should only have been stored at the higher-mind level; a method that should work well enough for all readers here. At the moment I do get some small aspects of events replayed, but the higher-mind to lower mind link is a bit fickle over what it is playing back, and visual information is very hard to retrieve.

Mind you, I seem to have little difficulty getting foreign touch to be recalled, and sound seems to be working now [which, given they don't speak aloud, is not terribly useful.] Lets take last nights effort:
The location is my prior residence [I slept in three different rooms at that residence over a period of 6 years, mainly due to renovations], definitely prior to 2010, definately the "first contact" room.

I hear the thudding of quick walking from the right, for that effect the walker is bare-foot, right hand is grasped [when I say grasped, these beings have a grip that holds tight like a vice, that interesting finger structure they have has a lot going for it.] I can move the fingers of the right hand, they touch against a warm surface with human consistency, which happens to be my palm. I cannot move them to the thumb, nor can the thumb be bent [the hand has been locked into position by the grasp, you can try it by holding your right thumb with your left hand, and pulling the thumb by its base joint so the length is locked and being pulled toward the back of the hand. I noted with it in that position under such circumstances the fingers cannot touch the holder.] The grasp is slightly painful.

I hear a sound best described as licking, or as if an individual were sucking [open mouthed] on a large boiled sweet; no idea what that is about, didn't feel anything other than the iron-like grasp on the thumb which was pretty much all solid pressure.

I attempt to move away the covers obscuring my vision with my left hand, but wake up just as they are almost fully moved away; even is something looks like it came out of a swamp I still want a look at it.

Now, lets look at something interesting for the general readership, when I woke up my heart-beat was going seriously hard and fast along with the cold sweat, but no fear emotion. So there I am, thinking "why is my body physiologically reacting in extreme fear, and yet I don't feel it?" Naturally thinking it over carefully revealed it was based on a past event [Its effectively PTSD, but lacking some details.] I've come across this Pavlov's Dog effect previously when working on memorizing signatures, so if I, for example, recalled the signature for "the vet" then my heartbeat would accelerate, there would be fear and other subtle emotions/effects. These are all side-effects of events experienced during the encounter, but which cannot be recalled. Using such signature recall allows one to make an educated guess as to the types of experiences that have been suppressed during an encounter.

If you make a chart on paper you can make a word cloud around each of your signature targets, each of the associated emotions and sensations can be used to build a narrative of possible event points for that being:
I'll provide the readers a partial list for the vet, based on the Pavlov's dog effect and actual recall [providing a bit more detail]:
1) Fear [actual presence]
2) Physiological fear [signature recall]
3) Physical body manipulation [actual presence]
4) Overwhelming control [signature recall]
5) Seriously white light [actual recall]
6) Influence Perception overload [actual recall, this is where a physical presence is overlayed by the higher mind also interpreting things, meaning it suddenly hits almost full activation without having a coherent mechanism for communicating properly yet.]
7) Grey [actual recall, but while it looks like a grey in form, it is actually eye-white]
8) Vibrating object in skull [actual recall, I woke during a "procedure".]
9) No Palm [actual recall, yes, really, it has no palm, bamboo-like jointed fingers just sprout out of it, almost skeletal.]
10) Related "concern". Related "You have no companion"; related side-note "this will be a problem in the future" but more from its perspective. I do note that I did sense it looked psychically for a companion, its quite possible it thought that the companion would be elsewhere in the house; that's important, showing that it didn't do its homework before visiting. [actual recall.]

Notice the actual recall and the signature recall are a bit different in terms recalled experience vs signature experience. It would appear a lot more was going on than just a simple checkup, and that it had traumatic elements associated with it. To put that in perspective, I eliminated a wasp nest a few days back with a mixture of my bare hands, a swatter and a lot of poison. While everyone else was getting freaked out in the house I was tackling this nest of evil head-on, and not feeling any fear. Why should I not feel any fear while battling something quite dangerous, and at hand, yet feel extreme fear over that being when doing a signature check? Clearly more was afoot.

Now I don't recommend trying to contact that being, but I know a lot of you will anyway ;) As an exercise for the reader, if you believe you have a set of suppressed memories, then use the method described above to make a list/word-cloud. If you are feeling brave, then post it here with as much detail as possible for the being concerned [I quite fancy making a signature library.]

Fore
03-08-2015, 01:03 PM
I'll give you a partial, "over the top" response.
I am phobic to return to this thread. Seems that actively participating in it (more than just reading) seems to make paranormal events occur.
There seems to be almost no ET intervention anymore. (almost seemingly only happens when I do something that I am sure will turn someone attention)

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To give you a gist of some response.
I have tried to do what you mentioned at the very start. To use the internal Higher Mind interface and dream capabilities of the mind as some kind of playback system. But in the end I was never successful. At best I was able to control the dream content itself and manipulate it but I wasn't able to introduce "valid" content like memory.

I have yet to find a way to make that work.

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All attempts to extract information which I "felt" was blocked out by the ET's prior to 5 is seemingly inaccessible.
I have over the years figured out that memory is (as the ET stated) made up of composite slices.
There are many subtle layers that combine together to render a single discrete memory as best as I have been able to determine.

So while an ET can ~wipe away~ (for example) an events. They might leave behind some of the layers associated with the event.
For example, you won't recall what you actually saw, but you might remember fragments of fear or anger or distrust etc.
Think of your (lower mind) memory as a lego set that is constructed moments after an event.
If an ET disrupts ~access~ to some of the upper layers that contain details like color, faces, time, etc.
They might not completely accomplish removing other segments that were encoded like fear, or spatial awareness of a situation.
(for example remembering being held down, but not by whom, or how long, experiencing a form of fear.)

When you [attempt to] recall, you won't recall anything but fragments. Except that "tip of your tongue" (or mind) feeling that something is brought up but you don't recall anything that your mind can resolve as a coherent memory.

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As you wrote somewhat down your post, you should keep in mind that you can experience fear without the rational mind always being responsible for that reaction. Either induced externally or something reactionary inside you to some elements occurring in your body or your mind that might not necessarily register as a conscious reason to experience fear.

I think most of what you've mysteriously described sounds like the paranormal side of the coin.

If something has a vice grip on your hand (or a segment of it) and you don't mentally experience fear, that does not mean other lower than conscious features won't. And considering what you've described, I'd take the hint that you should be afraid.

pontificator
03-18-2015, 10:05 AM
It's a right pain about the current situation with memory recall being particularly difficult to achieve using the higher-mind method. However, with the paranormal aspect of events I'll see about getting them clobbered [I've not had any paranormal types around for a very long time, mainly because I'm a little proactive about their removal.] It could be that I've come across them as a result of a few trips through the city [cities are a natural gathering spot for such things after all.] Alternatively I might tear one apart to examine how it ticks.

On another front I've been having a bit of fun watching through the Dr Leir DVD set which came through fine. Still a lot of material to go through, but "The Hidden hand" [part of the bundle] was very nicely done. Can anyone point me in the direction of material dealing specifically with abductees/contactees under hypnosis? I find their recalled events particularly interesting.

One aspect of memory recall that I am interested in trying out is basing it on a location and time vector, then using the normal line of association to link to the general vicinity of the event. In theory I should be able to perform the equivalent of an RV at each event, and therefore bypass the event recall block as I'm simply observing the event itself afresh from a different time vantage. Unless the ET presence has found a way to destroy segments of time itself, then it should be quite possible to do. It may even be possible to combine this with the higher-mind in a dream-state, and perform an event replay using the actual event material and not memories; as per usual, a being is observing this line of thought, which is usually a good indicator there is something in it.

Now, on another front, I am debating about running a small experiment involving RV and many people causing a localized paranormal disturbance in a specific location. I'm still debating between the Wall Street Bull and NHK Tower; suggestions please.

Fore
03-18-2015, 12:55 PM
On another front I've been having a bit of fun watching through the Dr Leir DVD set which came through fine. Still a lot of material to go through, but "The Hidden hand" [part of the bundle] was very nicely done. Can anyone point me in the direction of material dealing specifically with abductees/contactees under hypnosis? I find their recalled events particularly interesting. Sounds like something I might want to look into. Not sure.


One aspect of memory recall that I am interested in trying out is basing it on a location and time vector, then using the normal line of association to link to the general vicinity of the event. In theory I should be able to perform the equivalent of an RV at each event, and therefore bypass the event recall block as I'm simply observing the event itself afresh from a different time vantage. Unless the ET presence has found a way to destroy segments of time itself, then it should be quite possible to do. It may even be possible to combine this with the higher-mind in a dream-state, and perform an event replay using the actual event material and not memories; as per usual, a being is observing this line of thought, which is usually a good indicator there is something in it. Unfortunately, I never really went too deep into those aspects. I mostly focused on trying to gather future event data via the various processes we discussed in this thread. (relatively successful)

I never really (mostly at all) focused on past events. (Not at all successful except a few incidents that were more like accidents than anything else during RV experiments the ET imposed upon me.)

What I mainly focused on through the ET experiments at the time was how to access individuals thoughts and content (mind reading) (very successful on that)

I found that I did not have a knack for accessing information in reverse. And to be honest I wasn't much interested in that range of phenomena.

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Most of my focus was on observation of either present "influence" data or forward variations of it. The historical stuff was a harder situation to crack. I never really saw any of the ET's looking for past-events data so there is no reference point to work with. Most of their educational teachings don't really say much on how to access data in prior time frames.

The theory was all there but every attempt failed and coupled with a lack of interest in that direction pretty much kept me out of that subject.

You could look at decaying influence thats been left behind by [conscious] people in the present. But that is like looking over fragments of a cassette tape with a partial recording hard to pick out any sizable details. It is also alot easier to cheat and ask the local spiritual entity what they know about an area (if they even knew anything at all) and/or just piece together information from what is left in the ambient (real-time) environment.

Future sight is also alot more useful to me than looking at the past.

The obvious is always true. Peoples heads are like a tape of events. Accessing their minds and/or reading their thoughts is alot easier than trying to figure out how to read displaced data in the past. If you want to know something you simply come close to someone who should know and search or listen to their ~silent~ thoughts broadcasting various nuances and then piece together the missing bits from inferring missing details.

It also helped just to do a Q&A while they weren't aware of the specifics of why you are asking about something. Though some people are surprisingly astute and figure out what the questions are about without really realizing why you are asking about various things.

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Now, on another front, I am debating about running a small experiment involving RV and many people causing a localized paranormal disturbance in a specific location. I'm still debating between the Wall Street Bull and NHK Tower; suggestions please.Not sure why that location is picked.

But you can disrupt the signals between their body and mind if that is your intent. I have found that in small groups of people you can generate a mild form of confusion if you are releasing enough influence and changing the state of that influence every couple of seconds. People seem to become noticeably (mentally) less effective just from the ambient energy.

I am not entirely sure as to why.

Best guess was it is creating internal responses (unintended feedback?) in their bodies various structures and that maybe placed a mild delay on the insides of people. Sort of like some kind of distraction.
OR
Probably the dense influence is incompatible and its presence seems to jam them up.

I also tested with enhancing people (like you) before we met. They eventually become noticeably psychic (like you did) and their upper structures become somewhat [mildly] active. Seems you have to do it more than once for the effect to take hold inside them.

I am unsure if it is because that is a latent feature in some human beings or if that has to do with simply some kind of influence generated by an artificial structure that the ET embedded in my own field.

I tend to lean towards the latter theory more often than the former theory.

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During experiments I performed in person (a few) and over the internet (the many before we met) I realized that the normal psychics didn't always make others psychic even when they interacted for a while. It seemed to happen on occasion but not as consistently as you'd expect it would/should.

When I interacted with alot of people with psychic abilities I noticed that they experienced acutely intense headaches and their abilities more often than not increased. The advisor used to tell me back then that I was scanning them improperly and that is why I induced so many headaches in others I directed my psychic focus on.

At times it became obvious to me that simply interacting with the various (upwards of a hundred) caused them to eventually get past the headaches and their performance increased. They noticed it too and so they kept keeping up with the experiments I performed on them to see what were the differences between them and I.

Though there were others who didn't like the experience and were somewhat hostile towards me. Either because they seemingly felt intimidated or because they noticed just how often the focus I placed on them would come and go. Some got annoyed and used my story as the pre-text to shoo me away. Others were creeped out by the wider range of abilities and the fact that on occasion they would get a visit from various ET. People in particular did not like it when I would access their mind while they were telling a lie and the facts brought to the surface made them less than friendly.

That was when the advisor explained I should be less insightful and give people room with a benefit of doubts. She said people reacted badly when cornered and that if I pretended to know less the interactions would smooth out. In other words to be "less in your face" about things.

Basically people want/need to know they are in full control.
They need room for doubt.
People react badly when you use psychic abilities in too straightforward a fashion.
People like privacy, so even when you know whats crossing their mind, they should not always know that you know for sure.
[Mind reading] Scanning should be non-obvious to the person being observed. Because people don't like to experience the act of being scanned in a blatant way.
(The advisor eventually showed me how to make the physical/mental footprint less obvious to a regular observer)

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Anyway, if you went to wall street building and put out a significant amount of interference you could probably slow them down in their thinking. But that isn't as interesting as why people start to think the same thoughts once you've established the connection between a group of people.

My thoughts are that "mental synchronicity" occurs when one psychic individual establishes access or keeps tabs of more than one person. Doesn't matter if one node is in Sydney and another in New York. In other words, like some kind of psychic relay system. Everyone starts to have thoughts that occur in synchronicity with the [individual] nodes.

My best guess is that is tipping point of a (more) primitive example of how the ET's maintain a psychic network relaying messages and data between themselves.

Fore
03-18-2015, 01:09 PM
'Quantum jitters' could form basis of evolution, cancer
Story: http://phys.org/news/2015-03-quantum-jitters-basis-evolution-cancer.html
Posted on Montalk.net

Fore
03-18-2015, 04:06 PM
Very much worth reading folks:
http://montalk.net/metaphys/267/sto-sts-and-densities

There is more coherent thinking in that page than you can shake a stick at.
I really liked how he defined (among other things) etheric vs astral.
I have never really known how to interpret those two words, I may just adopt Montalk characterization of these two words.

He also puts in some insightful stuff in there that makes you wonder for a while about what it all means.
Never seen someone explain a density or vibration concept like that. Makes it very interesting when seen from that perspective.

Lets just say he cleared up quite a bit through his own understanding of various topics. Enlightening postulations.
It's a long read, but worth while.

montalk
03-25-2015, 04:41 AM
Thanks for posting the link to my article (http://montalk.net/metaphys/267/sto-sts-and-densities) and providing some feedback. It's my current working hypothesis to unite various fragments in the fringe research field that haven't been discussed in context of each other. As always, subject to change and improvement as new data comes to light.

pontificator
03-26-2015, 10:10 AM
Thanks for posting the link to my article (http://montalk.net/metaphys/267/sto-sts-and-densities) and providing some feedback. It's my current working hypothesis to unite various fragments in the fringe research field that haven't been discussed in context of each other. As always, subject to change and improvement as new data comes to light.

Its a very good read, and I highly recommend it to other readers.

When I've gotten over the lastest cold I'll do a writeup where I break down all of my encounters into the apparent procedures that were being applied at each stage, and how each can be broken; either through pre-programming, which is a personal favourite, or logical deduction (which causes various kinds of control to breakdown until another "plausible" explanation is in place. Given encounters are always unexpected the logical deduction route offers some flexibility.)

pontificator
05-05-2015, 01:49 PM
I'm still typing things up, and getting my dates right :)

@Fore, would there be any problem with posting the full transcript of the skype meeting a pile of us had in '09? I rediscovered the file, and it's seriously live, something physical was also nearby and took a good long hard look at matters; when they do that it sets off a very specific pattern of background notes and a single transient tone, the tone itself only seems to come into effect when something living and psychic is nearby. I also note that I recognised that it was a grey, and one that I seem to have a bit of fear of judging by the fact I almost bolted from the room (they can cover up as much memory as they like, but they cannot get rid of that.)

Fore
05-08-2015, 11:34 AM
I'm still typing things up, and getting my dates right :)

@Fore, would there be any problem with posting the full transcript of the skype meeting a pile of us had in '09? I rediscovered the file, and it's seriously live, something physical was also nearby and took a good long hard look at matters; when they do that it sets off a very specific pattern of background notes and a single transient tone, the tone itself only seems to come into effect when something living and psychic is nearby. I also note that I recognised that it was a grey, and one that I seem to have a bit of fear of judging by the fact I almost bolted from the room (they can cover up as much memory as they like, but they cannot get rid of that.)
I don't mind if you share any skype meeting. I am currently facing a number of issues at the moment. So I will be missing in action for the most part.

Edit: Forgive me, for anyone who reads through what I skype with a ton of typos and shorthand.

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:50 AM
I am sure they will survive :) Note: I have substituted my other account name with "pontifs_other_account" in the transcript.


Now, onto a Skype meeting from 09...


[16/09/2009 10:11:50 a.m.] *** Fore added arkwright.omf, Echo / Sound Test Service, epo333, freedom.dove, hazuyo, lillian.e.waters, nietzsche.., pontificator.omf, wingsofcrystal ***
[16/09/2009 10:12:03 a.m.] Fore: can you guys see this?
[16/09/2009 10:12:07 a.m.] Fore: (gals too)
[16/09/2009 10:12:37 a.m.] epo333: yes
[16/09/2009 10:12:40 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: Thank you fore. Hi everyone
[16/09/2009 10:12:52 a.m.] Fore: Hi lily
[16/09/2009 10:12:58 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: yes
[16/09/2009 10:13:08 a.m.] hazuyo: hi everyone : )
[16/09/2009 10:13:17 a.m.] Fore: Wow you have a catchy name, like a writer or something ;)
[16/09/2009 10:13:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: Hey guys. Yeah, Fore, I saw that message okay.
[16/09/2009 10:13:31 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: hi hazuyo
[16/09/2009 10:13:35 a.m.] Fore: hi hazuka
[16/09/2009 10:13:43 a.m.] Fore: hi @ all
[16/09/2009 10:14:16 a.m.] Fore: Dove can you see me?
[16/09/2009 10:14:33 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah
[16/09/2009 10:15:04 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: hi Dove
[16/09/2009 10:15:20 a.m.] freedom.dove: hello. are you from OM?
[16/09/2009 10:15:30 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: yes. i'm newyorklily
[16/09/2009 10:15:47 a.m.] freedom.dove: oh, sorry about that. :P
[16/09/2009 10:15:50 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: np
[16/09/2009 10:15:54 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: lol
[16/09/2009 10:16:09 a.m.] Fore: hey dove
[16/09/2009 10:16:14 a.m.] Fore: good everyones over here
[16/09/2009 10:16:35 a.m.] *** Fore ejected Echo / Sound Test Service from this conversation. ***
[16/09/2009 10:16:39 a.m.] freedom.dove: is aragami going to be able to make it?
[16/09/2009 10:17:12 a.m.] Fore: dunno
[16/09/2009 10:17:20 a.m.] Fore: maybe they got the timezones wrong?
[16/09/2009 10:17:27 a.m.] Fore: or maybe they are just busy with work
[16/09/2009 10:17:45 a.m.] Fore: next time I will set it even later so they don't have any schedule conflicts
[16/09/2009 10:18:14 a.m.] freedom.dove: it's close to his work time right now
[16/09/2009 10:18:27 a.m.] Fore: Epo, you there?
[16/09/2009 10:18:58 a.m.] hazuyo: well, it s 11pm for me so later could be a problem (depending which day it happen...)
[16/09/2009 10:19:14 a.m.] Fore: where are you in the world?
[16/09/2009 10:19:21 a.m.] hazuyo: France
[16/09/2009 10:19:46 a.m.] epo333: Should I display the current list of folks who were to attend?
[16/09/2009 10:19:54 a.m.] Fore: sure
[16/09/2009 10:20:04 a.m.] Fore: some didn't want their names on the public list
[16/09/2009 10:20:22 a.m.] epo333: So I should not...
[16/09/2009 10:20:38 a.m.] Fore: Sure you can
[16/09/2009 10:21:02 a.m.] Fore: it's just that I'll inform you in a PM about the people who intend to watch but don't want their names to be known
[16/09/2009 10:21:35 a.m.] freedom.dove: where's shads?
[16/09/2009 10:21:44 a.m.] Fore: thats what I was wondering
[16/09/2009 10:21:53 a.m.] Fore: I reminded him just an hour ago while he was online
[16/09/2009 10:22:21 a.m.] freedom.dove: hey nietzsche
[16/09/2009 10:22:42 a.m.] Fore: he appears to be offline
[16/09/2009 10:22:55 a.m.] freedom.dove: okay
[16/09/2009 10:23:52 a.m.] freedom.dove: where can i find the stats? is it only available to those that have added you as a contact?
[16/09/2009 10:25:07 a.m.] hazuyo: you mean status ? yeah you can only see the status of your contacts
[16/09/2009 10:25:37 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, that's what i meant. thank you. :)
[16/09/2009 10:25:58 a.m.] hazuyo: you re welcome
[16/09/2009 10:26:14 a.m.] *** Fore added platinumlurker ***
[16/09/2009 10:26:27 a.m.] Fore: the mole shads has joined us!
[16/09/2009 10:26:28 a.m.] Fore: :O
[16/09/2009 10:26:30 a.m.] Fore: hehe
[16/09/2009 10:26:47 a.m.] epo333: Here is the list I have:
[16/09/2009 10:26:50 a.m.] Fore: I dunno about contact detaisl
[16/09/2009 10:26:54 a.m.] Fore: I don't share any as far as I know
[16/09/2009 10:26:59 a.m.] epo333: 1) pontificator
2) Arkwright
3) Nietzsche PR
4) magooolo
5) hazuka
6) aragami
7) TheShadow
8) sombra
9) Boppie
[16/09/2009 10:27:16 a.m.] platinumlurker: LOL The mole shads??
[16/09/2009 10:27:20 a.m.] platinumlurker: Whats up with that??
[16/09/2009 10:27:22 a.m.] freedom.dove: um, i thought sombra wanted her name taken of the list?
[16/09/2009 10:28:16 a.m.] epo333: Thats right dove I hven't done so yet..
[16/09/2009 10:28:43 a.m.] platinumlurker: Can yall see this?
[16/09/2009 10:28:48 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: yea
[16/09/2009 10:28:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, shads
[16/09/2009 10:28:53 a.m.] platinumlurker: OK
[16/09/2009 10:28:53 a.m.] Fore: yes shads
[16/09/2009 10:28:57 a.m.] platinumlurker: Just checkin
[16/09/2009 10:28:59 a.m.] epo333: y
[16/09/2009 10:29:14 a.m.] Fore: now I am going to activate the voice portion of this chat. (I won't participate of course)
[16/09/2009 10:29:27 a.m.] platinumlurker: So whats with the mole shads thing?
[16/09/2009 10:29:36 a.m.] Fore: just a joke shads :P
[16/09/2009 10:29:39 a.m.] platinumlurker: LOL
[16/09/2009 10:29:51 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: you mean we won't hear if you are a 14 year old girl? :)
[16/09/2009 10:29:56 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 10:29:57 a.m.] Fore: haha
[16/09/2009 10:30:06 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: lol
[16/09/2009 10:30:10 a.m.] platinumlurker: No lil miss fore will never break character
[16/09/2009 10:30:32 a.m.] Fore: true DOA style ;)
[16/09/2009 10:30:48 a.m.] freedom.dove: doa?
[16/09/2009 10:30:53 a.m.] *** Conference call, duration 2:36:21 ***
[16/09/2009 10:31:32 a.m.] Fore: Can you guys hear each other?
[16/09/2009 10:31:41 a.m.] platinumlurker: I hear something
[16/09/2009 10:31:47 a.m.] platinumlurker: Static mostly
[16/09/2009 10:31:47 a.m.] Fore: someone has their mic way up
[16/09/2009 10:31:52 a.m.] freedom.dove: i hear some people
[16/09/2009 10:31:57 a.m.] Fore: yep epo
[16/09/2009 10:31:58 a.m.] hazuyo: I hear some too
[16/09/2009 10:32:00 a.m.] freedom.dove: i hear you epo
[16/09/2009 10:32:04 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: 1
[16/09/2009 10:32:04 a.m.] platinumlurker: I hear epo
[16/09/2009 10:32:14 a.m.] hazuyo: same
[16/09/2009 10:32:27 a.m.] Fore: hazuyo it appears your mic is picking up alot of the background
[16/09/2009 10:32:32 a.m.] Fore: there yah go
[16/09/2009 10:32:37 a.m.] freedom.dove: no mic here, but i can hear you guys okay
[16/09/2009 10:33:16 a.m.] platinumlurker: I hear epo fine
[16/09/2009 10:33:22 a.m.] freedom.dove: shads, say something
[16/09/2009 10:33:22 a.m.] Fore: platinum I can hear your TV
[16/09/2009 10:33:27 a.m.] platinumlurker: lillian e walters is breaking upbad
[16/09/2009 10:34:02 a.m.] Fore: okay is everyone okay on mic?
[16/09/2009 10:34:24 a.m.] freedom.dove: hazuyo, are you on mic?
[16/09/2009 10:34:43 a.m.] hazuyo: english level too low ^^
[16/09/2009 10:34:52 a.m.] hazuyo: and mic rubbish
[16/09/2009 10:35:05 a.m.] freedom.dove: ah, okay
[16/09/2009 10:35:25 a.m.] Fore: dove speak some so I can hear your batty voice ;)
[16/09/2009 10:35:42 a.m.] freedom.dove: i don't have a mic. :P
[16/09/2009 10:35:49 a.m.] Fore: oh
[16/09/2009 10:35:51 a.m.] Fore: :)
[16/09/2009 10:36:01 a.m.] freedom.dove: well, i might somewhere...
[16/09/2009 10:36:06 a.m.] Fore: okay so out of the current participants who is actually opted in?
[16/09/2009 10:36:14 a.m.] platinumlurker: Me
[16/09/2009 10:36:33 a.m.] Fore: thats it?
[16/09/2009 10:36:48 a.m.] freedom.dove: where's ponti?
[16/09/2009 10:37:10 a.m.] freedom.dove: shads, i hear your door opening and closing. :)
[16/09/2009 10:37:20 a.m.] platinumlurker: Had to get something to drink
[16/09/2009 10:37:23 a.m.] platinumlurker: Im back
[16/09/2009 10:37:42 a.m.] Fore: hold on I am checking PM's to see if there are any straglers
[16/09/2009 10:38:26 a.m.] Fore: okay hold on
[16/09/2009 10:38:32 a.m.] Fore: ponti has multiple accounts
[16/09/2009 10:38:39 a.m.] Fore: so I am going to add in his other accounts
[16/09/2009 10:39:11 a.m.] *** Fore added pontifs_other_account ***
[16/09/2009 10:39:48 a.m.] Fore: Pontif can you see this?
[16/09/2009 10:40:52 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, i hear you
[16/09/2009 10:40:54 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 10:40:58 a.m.] freedom.dove: nice
[16/09/2009 10:41:09 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: cool
[16/09/2009 10:41:50 a.m.] freedom.dove: aragami hasn't checked his PMs for a while so i think he's at work
[16/09/2009 10:42:07 a.m.] Fore: pontif (Pontifs_other_account) says he is online from work
[16/09/2009 10:42:12 a.m.] Fore: but I don't see him responding
[16/09/2009 10:42:20 a.m.] freedom.dove: me neither
[16/09/2009 10:42:24 a.m.] Fore: ponti would have been a good test subject
[16/09/2009 10:42:33 a.m.] Fore: shads will be hard as hell lol
[16/09/2009 10:42:36 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 10:42:42 a.m.] platinumlurker: Nah im easily impressed
[16/09/2009 10:43:09 a.m.] Fore: I guess I at least don't have to worry about brain damage with shads
[16/09/2009 10:43:14 a.m.] Fore: (joke)
[16/09/2009 10:43:32 a.m.] freedom.dove: you ought to be glad i'm not in
[16/09/2009 10:43:38 a.m.] freedom.dove: :D
[16/09/2009 10:43:59 a.m.] platinumlurker: Let me know if the music needs to go
[16/09/2009 10:43:59 a.m.] Fore: Actually it would have been nice to have you in since you have signs of being active already
[16/09/2009 10:44:01 a.m.] freedom.dove: though i might as well be with the company i've received so far
[16/09/2009 10:44:10 a.m.] freedom.dove: :P
[16/09/2009 10:44:36 a.m.] Fore: okay I am starting up since all I have to work with is shads
[16/09/2009 10:44:47 a.m.] platinumlurker: Ok start away
[16/09/2009 10:44:53 a.m.] platinumlurker: Tell me what i need to do
[16/09/2009 10:45:06 a.m.] Fore: the first thing of course is that you guys have to leave your imagination at home when doing this experiment
[16/09/2009 10:45:23 a.m.] Fore: only report what you actually feel and anything abnormal from a standard baseline

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:52 AM
[16/09/2009 10:45:37 a.m.] Fore: in this case shads is the only one who I will try things on.
[16/09/2009 10:45:44 a.m.] platinumlurker: Lucky me
[16/09/2009 10:45:54 a.m.] hazuyo: ^^
[16/09/2009 10:45:57 a.m.] platinumlurker: Is there noise coming from my mic?
[16/09/2009 10:46:02 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah
[16/09/2009 10:46:02 a.m.] hazuyo: yeah
[16/09/2009 10:46:03 a.m.] Fore: nope
[16/09/2009 10:46:04 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: will ther be an overflow to those only watching?
[16/09/2009 10:46:06 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 10:46:11 a.m.] Fore: bit of static
[16/09/2009 10:46:45 a.m.] Fore: not necessary
[16/09/2009 10:46:48 a.m.] platinumlurker: OK
[16/09/2009 10:46:58 a.m.] Fore: I might have to take off my headphones/earphones though
[16/09/2009 10:46:58 a.m.] freedom.dove: standard baseline? that's funny... idk what's standard anymore. :P
[16/09/2009 10:47:12 a.m.] Fore: so I won't be able to hear you speak
[16/09/2009 10:47:22 a.m.] epo333: I muted my mic..!
[16/09/2009 10:47:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: that's better
[16/09/2009 10:47:30 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: mee too
[16/09/2009 10:47:58 a.m.] Fore: first thing is first
[16/09/2009 10:48:08 a.m.] Fore: learning your pattern so I can use it to target
[16/09/2009 10:48:28 a.m.] Fore: so far I am not feeling anything
[16/09/2009 10:48:30 a.m.] platinumlurker: What do i need tp do?
[16/09/2009 10:48:39 a.m.] Fore: to be honest nothing
[16/09/2009 10:48:46 a.m.] platinumlurker: I can do that
[16/09/2009 10:48:52 a.m.] platinumlurker: Im even good at it
[16/09/2009 10:48:52 a.m.] Fore: you can chat with the others and that makes it easier to focus on you
[16/09/2009 10:48:58 a.m.] Fore: (and accidentally them)
[16/09/2009 10:49:20 a.m.] platinumlurker: So who saw the awesome area 51 pic i posted
[16/09/2009 10:49:40 a.m.] Fore: remember if you guys speak I won't hear it
[16/09/2009 10:49:43 a.m.] hazuyo: hmm, where ?
[16/09/2009 10:50:03 a.m.] platinumlurker: In the pics only section
[16/09/2009 10:50:13 a.m.] Fore: you can talk with each other just make sure to type it out for me to read
[16/09/2009 10:50:29 a.m.] platinumlurker: I muted my mic too
[16/09/2009 10:50:38 a.m.] platinumlurker: My kids being a pain LOL
[16/09/2009 10:50:39 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, shads, that was funny
[16/09/2009 10:50:48 a.m.] hazuyo: I never go in that section, i m gonna check it
[16/09/2009 10:50:54 a.m.] Fore: << right now I am just building influence
[16/09/2009 10:50:56 a.m.] platinumlurker: The soldier is me on the set of Army Wives
[16/09/2009 10:51:08 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 10:51:13 a.m.] freedom.dove: for real?
[16/09/2009 10:51:16 a.m.] platinumlurker: Yes
[16/09/2009 10:51:19 a.m.] freedom.dove: cool
[16/09/2009 10:51:22 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: cool
[16/09/2009 10:51:24 a.m.] platinumlurker: I am an extra
[16/09/2009 10:51:30 a.m.] platinumlurker: They film the show locally
[16/09/2009 10:51:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: so what state?
[16/09/2009 10:51:55 a.m.] platinumlurker: Charleston SC
[16/09/2009 10:52:15 a.m.] freedom.dove: an extra? that's neat. met any cool people?
[16/09/2009 10:52:25 a.m.] platinumlurker: Met all the stars
[16/09/2009 10:52:32 a.m.] platinumlurker: Catherine Bell is totally cool
[16/09/2009 10:52:36 a.m.] freedom.dove: okay, feeling some pressure on the backside of my head
[16/09/2009 10:52:58 a.m.] Fore: I noticed that my back has begun hurting
[16/09/2009 10:53:15 a.m.] platinumlurker: In the next episode i play a pool shark in the 1940s
[16/09/2009 10:53:19 a.m.] freedom.dove: does your heart area hurt too?
[16/09/2009 10:53:40 a.m.] Fore: it appears that when I amplify the influence my body begins to hurt along a certain area
[16/09/2009 10:53:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: cool, shads. let us know when it airs. though i don't watch cable. :P
[16/09/2009 10:54:21 a.m.] freedom.dove: fore, are you feeling pain from others or is this yours?
[16/09/2009 10:54:25 a.m.] platinumlurker: Its on every sunday at 10 here
[16/09/2009 10:54:29 a.m.] platinumlurker: 9 central
[16/09/2009 10:54:31 a.m.] hazuyo: and the show is good overall ?
[16/09/2009 10:54:34 a.m.] Fore: @ dove no not my heart but just left and down
[16/09/2009 10:54:44 a.m.] platinumlurker: No its a soap opera for the most part
[16/09/2009 10:54:54 a.m.] platinumlurker: I only watch it cuz me and my kids are extras
[16/09/2009 10:54:57 a.m.] platinumlurker: and my dog
[16/09/2009 10:54:59 a.m.] Fore: it appears to be a physically induced anomaly when I start emitting influence
[16/09/2009 10:55:26 a.m.] freedom.dove: so you don't pick up empathic body signals from others?
[16/09/2009 10:55:34 a.m.] Fore: right now I am paying attention to whom I recieve info from
[16/09/2009 10:55:46 a.m.] Fore: and what kinds of info as well as what happens internally for me
[16/09/2009 10:56:09 a.m.] freedom.dove: am i distracting you?
[16/09/2009 10:56:18 a.m.] platinumlurker: Are you receiving info from me?
[16/09/2009 10:56:23 a.m.] Fore: I am starting to feel out /taget shads
[16/09/2009 10:57:03 a.m.] freedom.dove: oy, is my name shads all of a sudden?
[16/09/2009 10:57:09 a.m.] freedom.dove: :P
[16/09/2009 10:57:20 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol. sorry, but i definitely feel something
[16/09/2009 10:57:27 a.m.] hazuyo: ponti/bloodaxe was calling no?
[16/09/2009 10:57:40 a.m.] Fore: He has contacted me
[16/09/2009 10:57:45 a.m.] Fore: he wants in
[16/09/2009 10:57:57 a.m.] hazuyo: : )
[16/09/2009 10:58:30 a.m.] hazuyo: are yo all from USA ?
[16/09/2009 10:58:38 a.m.] platinumlurker: Yea
[16/09/2009 10:58:39 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: i am
[16/09/2009 10:58:42 a.m.] freedom.dove: yeah
[16/09/2009 10:59:26 a.m.] Fore: Ok now I am trying to see if I can pour out some influence externally
[16/09/2009 10:59:34 a.m.] platinumlurker: Originally from Chicago
[16/09/2009 10:59:50 a.m.] Fore: Ponti, can you see this?
[16/09/2009 10:59:52 a.m.] platinumlurker: Moved to SC 11 years ago to get out of the rat race
[16/09/2009 10:59:55 a.m.] pontificator.omf: Now I'm here
[16/09/2009 11:00:01 a.m.] Fore: welcome
[16/09/2009 11:00:07 a.m.] hazuyo: ok : )
hi ponti
[16/09/2009 11:00:46 a.m.] freedom.dove: i think i feel the influence even though i'm not technically participating
[16/09/2009 11:01:05 a.m.] freedom.dove: or someone is here doing that :P
[16/09/2009 11:01:06 a.m.] Fore: it appears that the pain I feel is actually a thickening of internsity
[16/09/2009 11:01:51 a.m.] Fore: right now I am pulling out that long palpable tibe of influence through what is commonly called the "third eye"
[16/09/2009 11:02:00 a.m.] pontificator.omf: Current location: New Zealand, Current time 10:01am
[16/09/2009 11:02:09 a.m.] platinumlurker: Is the third eye blind?
[16/09/2009 11:02:11 a.m.] Fore: by the way, I won't be able to sometimes pay attention to you guys while I type
[16/09/2009 11:02:17 a.m.] Fore: as I am focusing on other things
[16/09/2009 11:02:26 a.m.] Fore: it isn't an eye
[16/09/2009 11:02:50 a.m.] Fore: it appears to be an opening, like a psychic pore that pours out influence into the environment
[16/09/2009 11:03:22 a.m.] Fore: when it gets going it feels like a gyser pouring out an invisible yet palpable field
[16/09/2009 11:03:29 a.m.] Fore: why it does that I really don't know
[16/09/2009 11:03:40 a.m.] Fore: << sorry for my typing, My focus is elsewhere
[16/09/2009 11:04:15 a.m.] Fore: I notice that if I move the pressure of intense influence from my chest to my head
[16/09/2009 11:04:23 a.m.] Fore: it alleviates the pain
[16/09/2009 11:04:42 a.m.] Fore: but why does it form that way? ?
[16/09/2009 11:05:11 a.m.] freedom.dove: are there interconnect centers in the torso?
[16/09/2009 11:05:19 a.m.] Fore: right now it feels like a heavyness is situation just above my eyes
[16/09/2009 11:05:24 a.m.] Fore: yes
[16/09/2009 11:05:48 a.m.] Fore: situated(
[16/09/2009 11:05:52 a.m.] Fore: not situation
[16/09/2009 11:06:17 a.m.] Fore: at this point most people say they feel a heavyness on their skull
[16/09/2009 11:06:27 a.m.] freedom.dove: well i sure do
[16/09/2009 11:06:32 a.m.] Fore: after a few steps from now
[16/09/2009 11:06:48 a.m.] Fore: they say they feel a sharp pain behind one eye and random headaches
[16/09/2009 11:06:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: shads, you feel anything?
[16/09/2009 11:06:58 a.m.] platinumlurker: Honestly no
[16/09/2009 11:07:01 a.m.] Fore: (keep an eyeout for anything like that)
[16/09/2009 11:07:11 a.m.] Fore: also keep your imaginations to a minumum
[16/09/2009 11:07:12 a.m.] hazuyo: well, personnaly i don't particularly feel anything either
[16/09/2009 11:07:13 a.m.] freedom.dove: are you getting a reading from shads, fore?
[16/09/2009 11:07:23 a.m.] pontificator.omf: The pressure built a little earlier, left temple ocassionally gives minor pain.
[16/09/2009 11:07:38 a.m.] freedom.dove: hazuyo, i think i'm just ultra sensitive
[16/09/2009 11:07:38 a.m.] Fore: the ones who I got some slight info back from was lilly
[16/09/2009 11:07:53 a.m.] Fore: it was like a wisp of info

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:54 AM
[16/09/2009 11:07:53 a.m.] platinumlurker: Active imagination.......but just concentrating on this chat now
[16/09/2009 11:08:01 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: me?
[16/09/2009 11:08:05 a.m.] Fore: yeah
[16/09/2009 11:08:10 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: cool
[16/09/2009 11:08:13 a.m.] Fore: so far really nothing
[16/09/2009 11:08:23 a.m.] Fore: I still can't feel your personalities yet
[16/09/2009 11:08:35 a.m.] Fore: which is the point where I can then do something substancial
[16/09/2009 11:09:00 a.m.] Fore: this is supposed to be done over months (the proper way)
[16/09/2009 11:09:15 a.m.] Fore: Or three days for a sort of yo-yo activation
[16/09/2009 11:09:41 a.m.] Fore: (on quickly and then off as soon as you stop applying activation techniques
[16/09/2009 11:09:56 a.m.] hazuyo: ^^ 3 days or months ? it s quite a difference ^^;
[16/09/2009 11:10:08 a.m.] Fore: it comes back down if you do it rapidly instead of gradually
[16/09/2009 11:10:18 a.m.] hazuyo: oh ok
[16/09/2009 11:10:18 a.m.] Fore: the right way takes time
[16/09/2009 11:10:20 a.m.] Fore: and effort
[16/09/2009 11:10:36 a.m.] Fore: if you do the rapid version it is more like a momentary spike
[16/09/2009 11:10:43 a.m.] hazuyo: yeah, i understand that
[16/09/2009 11:11:02 a.m.] Fore: rather than a steady and sustain activation
[16/09/2009 11:11:12 a.m.] Fore: sustained
[16/09/2009 11:11:31 a.m.] Fore: don't expect anything substancial for this session
[16/09/2009 11:11:43 a.m.] Fore: that dove is hypersensitive is not surprising
[16/09/2009 11:12:32 a.m.] freedom.dove: feeling sharp pain behind right eye
[16/09/2009 11:12:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: kinda feels like there's a visitor in the skies
[16/09/2009 11:12:57 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: just to let you know fore, i have a cramp in my shin so i am going to have to manipulate an acupressure point to get rid of it.
[16/09/2009 11:13:06 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: i hope it won't throw you off
[16/09/2009 11:13:17 a.m.] freedom.dove: of course i can't see it if one is there :P
[16/09/2009 11:13:35 a.m.] Fore: don't worry I still can't feel your insides so it won't make a difference
[16/09/2009 11:13:42 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: k
[16/09/2009 11:14:02 a.m.] freedom.dove: pain is gone. now there's pressure on my forehead
[16/09/2009 11:14:51 a.m.] pontificator.omf: minor pulse of pain in sinus area... was minor pressure behind right eye momentarily.
[16/09/2009 11:15:12 a.m.] freedom.dove: hehehe...i thought i was just observing. ;)
[16/09/2009 11:15:19 a.m.] Fore: ;)
[16/09/2009 11:15:39 a.m.] hazuyo: back left of the brain, some little pain
[16/09/2009 11:15:43 a.m.] Fore: what happened now pontif?
[16/09/2009 11:16:14 a.m.] freedom.dove: i wonder if our implants are being affected by this. :P
[16/09/2009 11:16:21 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure right side of head, feeling of multiple points on to of head. Something else, presence?
[16/09/2009 11:16:29 a.m.] pontificator.omf: on top^
[16/09/2009 11:16:44 a.m.] freedom.dove: someone there ponti?
[16/09/2009 11:17:03 a.m.] pontificator.omf: unlikely, but if they are I'd consider it harmless.
[16/09/2009 11:17:40 a.m.] Fore: now guys remember to report any changes to you body or state of mind.
[16/09/2009 11:17:51 a.m.] Fore: any symptoms at all or lack of symptoms
[16/09/2009 11:18:01 a.m.] Fore: or if something appears to disappear
[16/09/2009 11:18:04 a.m.] pontificator.omf: Pressure build, right side of face/sinus
[16/09/2009 11:18:11 a.m.] platinumlurker: Nothing here
[16/09/2009 11:18:30 a.m.] Fore: (and as always leave your imaginations at home in a locked safe)
[16/09/2009 11:18:39 a.m.] hazuyo: my muscle nose seems to activate themselves
[16/09/2009 11:18:45 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure centre forehead, pressure left temple. minor pulse pain internal right ear
[16/09/2009 11:19:05 a.m.] platinumlurker: My imagination is as close to off as it gets
[16/09/2009 11:20:05 a.m.] freedom.dove: lots of pressure in the solar plexus area. but that could be my warning signal going off
[16/09/2009 11:20:18 a.m.] hazuyo: was some little pressure top/front of the head
[16/09/2009 11:20:36 a.m.] freedom.dove: when i went outside just now, there was a lot of pressure on my crown
[16/09/2009 11:20:51 a.m.] freedom.dove: someone's definitely here
[16/09/2009 11:21:26 a.m.] hazuyo: muscle of the nose still "playing"
[16/09/2009 11:21:55 a.m.] hazuyo: gone
[16/09/2009 11:22:19 a.m.] freedom.dove: slight twitch in the inner corner of right eye for a few. gone now
[16/09/2009 11:22:26 a.m.] pontificator.omf: interruption. right chest, pressure on lung. Bit more activity around my end in terms of staff, will be a tad sporadic.
[16/09/2009 11:23:36 a.m.] freedom.dove: pain where you described, Fore. spleen area
[16/09/2009 11:23:49 a.m.] freedom.dove: i get that sometimes on my own, though
[16/09/2009 11:24:44 a.m.] freedom.dove: twitching in the ribs, right side
[16/09/2009 11:25:33 a.m.] freedom.dove: idk how much of this is related to this test, fore, so do you want me to not report anything?
[16/09/2009 11:25:41 a.m.] Fore: hold on aragami wants in
[16/09/2009 11:26:36 a.m.] Fore: ok no one say anything
[16/09/2009 11:26:42 a.m.] Fore: I am going to let aragami in
[16/09/2009 11:26:46 a.m.] Fore: lets see how he feels
[16/09/2009 11:26:53 a.m.] Fore: (as he hasn't been in the experiment yet)
[16/09/2009 11:27:16 a.m.] *** Fore added aragami ***
[16/09/2009 11:27:28 a.m.] Fore: aragami can you see us?
[16/09/2009 11:27:46 a.m.] pontificator.omf: right side of temple, vertical spiky pain [minor ], pressure, pressure in ear [ right ]
[16/09/2009 11:28:11 a.m.] Fore: okay pontif don't type anything for now
[16/09/2009 11:28:18 a.m.] Fore: just hold on a sec
[16/09/2009 11:29:43 a.m.] aragami: yeah
[16/09/2009 11:29:51 a.m.] Fore: aragami won't be joining us
[16/09/2009 11:29:55 a.m.] Fore: hes late for work
[16/09/2009 11:30:07 a.m.] aragami: sorry guys gotta run
[16/09/2009 11:30:12 a.m.] Fore: okay, what pontif describes sounds like medium activation
[16/09/2009 11:30:24 a.m.] Fore: I am gonna read over dove.
[16/09/2009 11:31:29 a.m.] freedom.dove: first pressure in left temple, then on forehead. then pain behind left eye
[16/09/2009 11:31:34 a.m.] Fore: Dove sounds like her abilities are uncontrollably reacting
[16/09/2009 11:31:47 a.m.] freedom.dove: figures
[16/09/2009 11:31:50 a.m.] Fore: hazuyo sounds like someone who is experiencing a very low level activation
[16/09/2009 11:32:13 a.m.] Fore: hazuyo should have felt pressures on the face and influence leaks out randomly
[16/09/2009 11:32:17 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pulse pressure internal right ear... now pressure moving to top of head with low level prickling feeling
[16/09/2009 11:32:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: i have other things going on too, which spikes my abilities
[16/09/2009 11:32:40 a.m.] Fore: sometimes like a build up and then like a light release (causes muscle twitching
[16/09/2009 11:33:00 a.m.] Fore: how close/far is that to your experience hazuyo?
[16/09/2009 11:33:06 a.m.] hazuyo: well, nose is on the face and it react quite a lot
[16/09/2009 11:33:11 a.m.] freedom.dove: pain in back of head again
[16/09/2009 11:33:15 a.m.] freedom.dove: moving around alot
[16/09/2009 11:33:23 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure increase
[16/09/2009 11:33:25 a.m.] freedom.dove: concentrated at back for now
[16/09/2009 11:33:31 a.m.] freedom.dove: definite increase
[16/09/2009 11:33:52 a.m.] Fore: still just barely feeling shads
[16/09/2009 11:33:53 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure increase, minor pain, pain goes
[16/09/2009 11:34:39 a.m.] freedom.dove: higher up now. not so close to the base of the head; more towards crown
[16/09/2009 11:34:55 a.m.] freedom.dove: shads?
[16/09/2009 11:35:00 a.m.] platinumlurker: Im here
[16/09/2009 11:35:04 a.m.] freedom.dove: okay
[16/09/2009 11:35:08 a.m.] pontificator.omf: lowering, right hemesphere has most pressure now
[16/09/2009 11:35:12 a.m.] pontificator.omf: call... one moment...
[16/09/2009 11:35:13 a.m.] hazuyo: besides nose muscles reacting, i felt little pain in right temple at the beginnig and it faint as it came, then back in the left area of brain, then front, and now, it s more or less still like that (with nose area mostly)
[16/09/2009 11:35:16 a.m.] platinumlurker: Nothing here
[16/09/2009 11:36:21 a.m.] Fore: thats interesting huazuyo
[16/09/2009 11:36:36 a.m.] Fore: it looks like your are starting to turn on like pontif
[16/09/2009 11:36:47 a.m.] Fore: some of your symptpms are shared
[16/09/2009 11:36:53 a.m.] platinumlurker: I want to get turned on LOL
[16/09/2009 11:37:05 a.m.] hazuyo: what do you means by "influence leaks out" by the way ?
[16/09/2009 11:37:22 a.m.] hazuyo: my ears start to have pressure on both of them
[16/09/2009 11:37:23 a.m.] Fore: shads I think you'll need a few steps extra to get you there
[16/09/2009 11:37:30 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol, shads
[16/09/2009 11:37:32 a.m.] Fore: do you feel anything at all?
[16/09/2009 11:37:50 a.m.] platinumlurker: I feel exactly like i felt all day
[16/09/2009 11:38:00 a.m.] freedom.dove: we can get the chicka-boom music out for ya, shads. :*
[16/09/2009 11:38:03 a.m.] Fore: it's like your body is a shower head. and influence is the water.
[16/09/2009 11:38:07 a.m.] freedom.dove: jk of course
[16/09/2009 11:38:28 a.m.] hazuyo: ok
[16/09/2009 11:38:29 a.m.] Fore: upon intensification/activation you body tries to expel any foreign contaminants through the pours
[16/09/2009 11:38:45 a.m.] Fore: in doing so, chunks of influence come pouring out and it clears the passage ways
[16/09/2009 11:38:55 a.m.] freedom.dove: i must have a lot of contaminants, lol
[16/09/2009 11:39:04 a.m.] hazuyo: pressure in my ear lowered a bit, but it still like if i was in a tunnel or something

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:55 AM
[16/09/2009 11:39:06 a.m.] platinumlurker: Geez all i wanted was for someone to tell me what color my office is LOL
[16/09/2009 11:39:13 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 11:39:17 a.m.] freedom.dove: white?
[16/09/2009 11:39:18 a.m.] platinumlurker: and i have no contaminents?? LOL
[16/09/2009 11:39:30 a.m.] platinumlurker: I dont wat guesses
[16/09/2009 11:39:32 a.m.] Fore: that feels like focused heat and abnormal vascula/arterialr swelling moving all around
[16/09/2009 11:39:41 a.m.] freedom.dove: nah, shads, i'm just hypersensitive to this stuff
[16/09/2009 11:39:50 a.m.] Fore: during your first time you'll have symtoms like you describe
[16/09/2009 11:40:03 a.m.] Fore: when you haven't kept it on for a while they will be more like pontifs
[16/09/2009 11:40:19 a.m.] Fore: it flushes more intensly than a first timer
[16/09/2009 11:40:33 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure, and the feeling of something moving in the internal right ear [minor]
[16/09/2009 11:41:52 a.m.] hazuyo: main activity back to the nose
[16/09/2009 11:42:11 a.m.] freedom.dove: still lots of pressure on the back of head
[16/09/2009 11:42:18 a.m.] freedom.dove: some at the forehead now, too
[16/09/2009 11:43:15 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure top of head, minor prickly feeling there occasionally, was pressure left side temple. Forehead pressure ramping up.
[16/09/2009 11:44:03 a.m.] freedom.dove: the bridge in my mouth--right side--is hurting
[16/09/2009 11:44:23 a.m.] Fore: okay shads, now I am going to do a preliminary change on just you
[16/09/2009 11:44:23 a.m.] hazuyo: dove, you have activated a mic ; ) we hear you typing : )
[16/09/2009 11:44:34 a.m.] platinumlurker: OK
[16/09/2009 11:44:39 a.m.] freedom.dove: how is that?
[16/09/2009 11:44:50 a.m.] epo333: frore stated up 1hr now...
[16/09/2009 11:44:52 a.m.] freedom.dove: do notebooks have built-in mics?
[16/09/2009 11:44:58 a.m.] Fore: what I am going to do is pour out influence then segment it, and change the configurations randomly
[16/09/2009 11:45:00 a.m.] hazuyo: yeah
[16/09/2009 11:45:06 a.m.] Fore: to see what kind of patterns affect just you.
[16/09/2009 11:45:17 a.m.] platinumlurker: Make it something coo'
[16/09/2009 11:45:20 a.m.] Fore: (this is one of the key things that is important for me to figure out
[16/09/2009 11:45:20 a.m.] platinumlurker: cool
[16/09/2009 11:45:24 a.m.] Fore: lol
[16/09/2009 11:45:33 a.m.] Fore: hey dove I heard your voice.
[16/09/2009 11:45:42 a.m.] Fore: << concentrating
[16/09/2009 11:45:44 a.m.] Fore: yes
[16/09/2009 11:46:01 a.m.] hazuyo: yeah we do ^^
[16/09/2009 11:46:13 a.m.] platinumlurker: i dont
[16/09/2009 11:46:42 a.m.] freedom.dove: you're not missing much
[16/09/2009 11:46:45 a.m.] Fore: okay trying to send it to your ?general location? shads
[16/09/2009 11:46:50 a.m.] freedom.dove: :P
[16/09/2009 11:46:54 a.m.] hazuyo: do you have your speakers on shad ?
[16/09/2009 11:46:59 a.m.] Fore: some people describe echos of a presence
[16/09/2009 11:46:59 a.m.] platinumlurker: im here
[16/09/2009 11:47:03 a.m.] platinumlurker: Yea
[16/09/2009 11:47:12 a.m.] platinumlurker: but the voice chat thing went away a while ago
[16/09/2009 11:47:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: mine did too. i reconnected
[16/09/2009 11:47:42 a.m.] pontificator.omf: [heh, no speakers on, at work... I don't need that level of suspicion...]
[16/09/2009 11:47:44 a.m.] freedom.dove: i can't hear anyone
[16/09/2009 11:47:59 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol ponti
[16/09/2009 11:48:08 a.m.] Fore: God my targeting sucks
[16/09/2009 11:48:27 a.m.] freedom.dove: maybe you're targeting me on accident?
[16/09/2009 11:48:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 11:48:33 a.m.] pontificator.omf: don't tell me Fore... you missed?
[16/09/2009 11:48:59 a.m.] Fore: no, I just find it hard as hell to memorize (or even pick up) shads patterns
[16/09/2009 11:49:15 a.m.] platinumlurker: Im an enigma wrapped in a mystery
[16/09/2009 11:49:20 a.m.] Fore: haha
[16/09/2009 11:49:25 a.m.] freedom.dove: can you also hear music from my mic, guys?
[16/09/2009 11:49:36 a.m.] Fore: nope
[16/09/2009 11:49:47 a.m.] Fore: it's an enigma
[16/09/2009 11:49:48 a.m.] hazuyo: is there music on?
[16/09/2009 11:49:54 a.m.] freedom.dove: classical
[16/09/2009 11:49:57 a.m.] Fore: why does shads not feel anything
[16/09/2009 11:49:58 a.m.] freedom.dove: on the pc
[16/09/2009 11:50:07 a.m.] hazuyo: nope, hear nothing
[16/09/2009 11:50:08 a.m.] platinumlurker: I was playing cat stevens earlier
[16/09/2009 11:50:09 a.m.] Fore: maybe if I target the environment around shads instead of himself
[16/09/2009 11:50:19 a.m.] freedom.dove: good idea, fore
[16/09/2009 11:50:25 a.m.] Fore: let me try some different things
[16/09/2009 11:50:47 a.m.] freedom.dove: is that you tugging on my hook?
[16/09/2009 11:51:00 a.m.] freedom.dove: ow
[16/09/2009 11:51:28 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure increase internally on right far in nose chamber...
[16/09/2009 11:51:37 a.m.] freedom.dove: implant
[16/09/2009 11:51:56 a.m.] freedom.dove: pressure increase behind right eye, inner corner again
[16/09/2009 11:52:01 a.m.] Fore: it's like I can't find him
[16/09/2009 11:52:09 a.m.] platinumlurker: Want my address?
[16/09/2009 11:52:13 a.m.] hazuyo: where is nose chamber ? is it the top of the nose ?
[16/09/2009 11:52:13 a.m.] hazuyo: lol
[16/09/2009 11:52:19 a.m.] Fore: shads do I have permission to mess with you?
[16/09/2009 11:52:26 a.m.] platinumlurker: Mess away
[16/09/2009 11:53:03 a.m.] freedom.dove: ha, i just found the mute button!
[16/09/2009 11:53:13 a.m.] hazuyo: ^^
[16/09/2009 11:53:27 a.m.] freedom.dove: maybe i should use it :P
[16/09/2009 11:54:05 a.m.] freedom.dove: sorry, laughing about something i just thought about..
[16/09/2009 11:54:21 a.m.] Fore: I don't feel the connection at all
[16/09/2009 11:54:40 a.m.] hazuyo: well, it s not really annoying to hear laugh ; D
[16/09/2009 11:54:40 a.m.] platinumlurker: What can i do?
[16/09/2009 11:54:41 a.m.] Fore: maybe he will have to wait until .... I just field something strange
[16/09/2009 11:55:13 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: fosensing me? am i interfering?re, are you still
[16/09/2009 11:55:21 a.m.] Fore: when I was thinking of the environment around shads I thought I felt someone walking behind
[16/09/2009 11:55:31 a.m.] Lillian E Waters: fare are you still sensing me?
[16/09/2009 11:55:34 a.m.] platinumlurker: Behind me?
[16/09/2009 11:55:44 a.m.] Fore: yeah,
[16/09/2009 11:55:53 a.m.] Fore: I know nothing was there
[16/09/2009 11:56:10 a.m.] platinumlurker: My wife is working out in the next room (which is behind me)
[16/09/2009 11:56:13 a.m.] pontificator.omf: Oddly my breathing is slightly affected, an old asthma thing....
[16/09/2009 11:56:21 a.m.] Fore: no that wasn't it
[16/09/2009 11:56:22 a.m.] freedom.dove: mine too, ponti
[16/09/2009 11:56:30 a.m.] freedom.dove: pressure on lungs
[16/09/2009 11:56:41 a.m.] freedom.dove: i muted the mic, btw
[16/09/2009 11:56:45 a.m.] Fore: oh I missed a good test
[16/09/2009 11:56:58 a.m.] hazuyo: nothing in that area for me (lung)
[16/09/2009 11:57:00 a.m.] Fore: I can send someone over there to modify you manually
[16/09/2009 11:57:06 a.m.] freedom.dove: who?
[16/09/2009 11:57:08 a.m.] freedom.dove: shads?
[16/09/2009 11:57:10 a.m.] Fore: lets see if I can get any takers
[16/09/2009 11:57:13 a.m.] Fore: yeah

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:57 AM
[16/09/2009 11:57:18 a.m.] platinumlurker: Send someone here?
[16/09/2009 11:57:24 a.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 11:57:34 a.m.] Fore: lol the advisor was listening in
[16/09/2009 11:57:36 a.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure sides of head. Okay, but not sure if anyone is in my area..
[16/09/2009 11:58:02 a.m.] Fore: let me see if I can ask her to do a small favor
[16/09/2009 11:58:19 a.m.] Fore: she says she isn't messing around in this session
[16/09/2009 11:58:23 a.m.] hazuyo: small noise left ear
[16/09/2009 11:58:28 a.m.] freedom.dove: tell her i said hi
[16/09/2009 11:58:30 a.m.] platinumlurker: Tell her i said please
[16/09/2009 11:59:07 a.m.] Fore: <talking
[16/09/2009 11:59:10 a.m.] freedom.dove: i hear she's pretty (inlove)
[16/09/2009 11:59:32 a.m.] hazuyo: and not physical as well (or is she?)
[16/09/2009 11:59:50 a.m.] freedom.dove: only when she uses her super dooper tools on her belt...
[16/09/2009 11:59:53 a.m.] freedom.dove: j/k
[16/09/2009 11:59:58 a.m.] freedom.dove: :)
[16/09/2009 11:59:59 a.m.] Fore: she says she is worried about the results if she helps me adjust things
[16/09/2009 12:00:13 p.m.] platinumlurker: Tell her im a big boy
[16/09/2009 12:00:14 p.m.] Fore: So I am asking her then "do you thing and turn me on directly"
[16/09/2009 12:00:27 p.m.] Fore: for some strange reason she doesn't appear to want to interfere
[16/09/2009 12:00:36 p.m.] hazuyo: what the worse that could happen ?
[16/09/2009 12:00:45 p.m.] platinumlurker: She could fall madly in love with me
[16/09/2009 12:00:46 p.m.] freedom.dove: skew the results
[16/09/2009 12:00:49 p.m.] pontificator.omf: Hmmm... couple of demons, some spirits...
[16/09/2009 12:01:08 p.m.] Fore: shes talking about me going solo on this experiment and mentions the forum memebers thinking she is going to be involved
[16/09/2009 12:01:16 p.m.] Fore: shes speaking alot of nonsense
[16/09/2009 12:01:22 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pain, left upper arm, surface.
[16/09/2009 12:01:32 p.m.] Fore: she says I don't take things seriously
[16/09/2009 12:01:48 p.m.] freedom.dove: do you?
[16/09/2009 12:02:01 p.m.] freedom.dove: lol shads, btw
[16/09/2009 12:02:03 p.m.] Fore: she says do it on your own
[16/09/2009 12:02:06 p.m.] Fore: to me
[16/09/2009 12:02:14 p.m.] hazuyo: well, if she is an advisor, she can advise
[16/09/2009 12:02:15 p.m.] freedom.dove: understandable
[16/09/2009 12:02:32 p.m.] platinumlurker: Tell her i need some advice
[16/09/2009 12:02:40 p.m.] freedom.dove: pain in right ear and jaw
[16/09/2009 12:02:52 p.m.] freedom.dove: pressure build-up behind eyes
[16/09/2009 12:03:01 p.m.] freedom.dove: feels like someone trying to look through them again
[16/09/2009 12:03:16 p.m.] freedom.dove: it's different from the sensation earlier
[16/09/2009 12:03:38 p.m.] freedom.dove: i've felt this before when PK was checking things out over here
[16/09/2009 12:03:43 p.m.] Fore: dunno what she meant by her last comment
[16/09/2009 12:03:53 p.m.] platinumlurker: Which was?
[16/09/2009 12:04:12 p.m.] Fore: I told her what shads said and then she responded tell him I will be around to pick up his bike
[16/09/2009 12:04:19 p.m.] Fore: the comment didn't make sense
[16/09/2009 12:04:34 p.m.] freedom.dove: maybe it will to him
[16/09/2009 12:04:35 p.m.] Fore: ???
[16/09/2009 12:04:38 p.m.] platinumlurker: Nope
[16/09/2009 12:04:56 p.m.] platinumlurker: Maybe she is gonna get me a new Harley
[16/09/2009 12:05:12 p.m.] hazuyo: or a bicycle
[16/09/2009 12:05:14 p.m.] platinumlurker: Dont own a bike Motorized or other
[16/09/2009 12:05:19 p.m.] Fore: what she meant by that is anyones guess
[16/09/2009 12:05:24 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: or is hse predicting an accident?
[16/09/2009 12:05:40 p.m.] Fore: So in other words she is watching but not gonna get involved.
[16/09/2009 12:05:43 p.m.] Fore: lucky me
[16/09/2009 12:05:47 p.m.] Fore: lazy lady
[16/09/2009 12:06:08 p.m.] freedom.dove: pain in the forehead area. pretty intense
[16/09/2009 12:06:13 p.m.] Fore: she said she would in the near future but not now
[16/09/2009 12:06:17 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure right side of head.
[16/09/2009 12:06:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: me too, ponti. just started
[16/09/2009 12:06:44 p.m.] freedom.dove: things are moving around a lot, and pretty quickly
[16/09/2009 12:06:47 p.m.] platinumlurker: Hey i need to go start dinner. Kids hungry......ill keep chaecking in
[16/09/2009 12:07:11 p.m.] Fore: okay
[16/09/2009 12:07:17 p.m.] freedom.dove: some things stay for a few minutes, others leave quickly
[16/09/2009 12:07:45 p.m.] Fore: I feel lilly is left out of this LOL
[16/09/2009 12:07:59 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: nah, i'm taking it all in
[16/09/2009 12:08:00 p.m.] Fore: maybe she is wondering why she isn't getting the brunt of this stuff
[16/09/2009 12:08:09 p.m.] Fore: what do you think so far?
[16/09/2009 12:08:19 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: interestihng
[16/09/2009 12:08:30 p.m.] freedom.dove: do you feel anything, lilly?
[16/09/2009 12:08:33 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: i'm feeling very relaxed
[16/09/2009 12:08:46 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: the most relaxed that i have felt in a while
[16/09/2009 12:08:53 p.m.] freedom.dove: any pains or pressure?
[16/09/2009 12:09:10 p.m.] hazuyo: i seems to feels stuff in every area i did mention before but in more subtle way... and as i type this it s increasing
[16/09/2009 12:09:17 p.m.] Fore: the only safe thing I can do with you guys in my current state is just induce that headache
[16/09/2009 12:09:28 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: a little pressure in my eys and above them but i have a lot of sinus problems
[16/09/2009 12:09:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: oh, thanks...
[16/09/2009 12:09:29 p.m.] Fore: anything more and I would be straining myself at too low a level
[16/09/2009 12:09:45 p.m.] Fore: I can't even induce nasura at this level
[16/09/2009 12:09:55 p.m.] hazuyo: nasura?
[16/09/2009 12:09:59 p.m.] Fore: my targeting skill sure are rusty
[16/09/2009 12:10:13 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure increase general top of head. before minor pulse pain top right then left cheek bone.
[16/09/2009 12:10:22 p.m.] Fore: I estimate at least 4 more tries (sessions) before I can do mind reading again
[16/09/2009 12:10:45 p.m.] freedom.dove: pressure in a suspected implant area
[16/09/2009 12:11:03 p.m.] freedom.dove: back side, low, right side of cervical
[16/09/2009 12:11:30 p.m.] Fore: trying something different
[16/09/2009 12:11:36 p.m.] hazuyo: mild pain forhead
[16/09/2009 12:11:39 p.m.] Fore: tying to cause stimulation instead
[16/09/2009 12:12:00 p.m.] freedom.dove: oh, i could say something
[16/09/2009 12:12:05 p.m.] freedom.dove: but i'll be good
[16/09/2009 12:12:12 p.m.] freedom.dove: :)
[16/09/2009 12:12:26 p.m.] Fore: the pain in my chest is returning
[16/09/2009 12:12:35 p.m.] Fore: this time tot he right of my heart
[16/09/2009 12:13:21 p.m.] freedom.dove: oy. intense pain in back of head, midline area
[16/09/2009 12:14:00 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: i would love to see what all of your blood pressure looks like
[16/09/2009 12:14:26 p.m.] hazuyo: still pain in forehead increasing a bit
[16/09/2009 12:14:39 p.m.] Fore: thats interesting
[16/09/2009 12:14:57 p.m.] freedom.dove: i would say my bp is normal or below
[16/09/2009 12:15:02 p.m.] Fore: there appears to be alink between my activation and you guys feeling pressures
[16/09/2009 12:15:10 p.m.] freedom.dove: i normally run on the low side
[16/09/2009 12:15:18 p.m.] Fore: the question is how does it work without me necessarily focusing so strongly on you
[16/09/2009 12:15:28 p.m.] freedom.dove: when it's higher, the veins in my arms really stand out
[16/09/2009 12:15:39 p.m.] Fore: I tried alot with shads and he is like a brick wall
[16/09/2009 12:15:45 p.m.] Fore: no sensation effects at all

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:58 AM
[16/09/2009 12:16:00 p.m.] platinumlurker: Sorry
[16/09/2009 12:16:30 p.m.] freedom.dove: fore, was that question directed at me?
[16/09/2009 12:16:35 p.m.] Fore: question, before you all came here to this chat
[16/09/2009 12:16:46 p.m.] Fore: did you feel 100% normal?
[16/09/2009 12:16:55 p.m.] platinumlurker: Wish there was something i could do to help
[16/09/2009 12:17:01 p.m.] Fore: were there any anomalies in your body before we started?
[16/09/2009 12:17:05 p.m.] freedom.dove: i can't answer that
[16/09/2009 12:17:06 p.m.] platinumlurker: Who?
[16/09/2009 12:17:13 p.m.] platinumlurker: Oh dove
[16/09/2009 12:17:15 p.m.] platinumlurker: NM
[16/09/2009 12:17:17 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: i've had pain all day
[16/09/2009 12:17:34 p.m.] Fore: does you pain still continue?
[16/09/2009 12:17:35 p.m.] hazuyo: no, 100% normal, tired but that s all
[16/09/2009 12:17:46 p.m.] freedom.dove: the things in my body come and go depending on what's going on around me and who's 'visiting'
[16/09/2009 12:17:52 p.m.] Fore: @ haz are you tired now?
[16/09/2009 12:17:53 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: not as badly
[16/09/2009 12:18:29 p.m.] pontificator.omf: Actually, I was slightly elevated. But that is mainly connected with me reading your posts... after all... they only took a look after I read upto around page 85...
[16/09/2009 12:18:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: i get a lot of company
[16/09/2009 12:18:42 p.m.] Fore: I have always wanted to try long distance healing techniques. But I don't have the slightest clue on how to do it.
[16/09/2009 12:18:54 p.m.] hazuyo: @fore, not really, i m at the same level basically (i should be more tired i guess, but no)
[16/09/2009 12:18:56 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure right and left temple
[16/09/2009 12:19:10 p.m.] freedom.dove: but i have definitely noticed a difference in my head, which was feeling normal before the session
[16/09/2009 12:19:49 p.m.] Fore: what does the pressure on your right and left temples feel like pontif?
[16/09/2009 12:20:31 p.m.] pontificator.omf: similar tto the sucutical effects from pressing both thumbs at the bone-line there
[16/09/2009 12:20:36 p.m.] Fore: what effects in general are you all feeling now?
[16/09/2009 12:20:37 p.m.] pontificator.omf: subcutical^
[16/09/2009 12:21:22 p.m.] Fore: pontif
[16/09/2009 12:21:30 p.m.] hazuyo: fine, besides the headache (i haven't felt anything particular in any other part of m body btw)
[16/09/2009 12:21:40 p.m.] Fore: it sounds like you along with dove are probably the best candidates for psychic activity
[16/09/2009 12:22:12 p.m.] pontificator.omf: currently, around the head, right side minor feeling of something touching.
[16/09/2009 12:22:18 p.m.] Fore: what did the headache feel like (haz)
[16/09/2009 12:22:48 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure right temple, touch eyebrow left side.
[16/09/2009 12:22:51 p.m.] freedom.dove: pressure is on forehead and behind eyes now
[16/09/2009 12:22:51 p.m.] hazuyo: forehead, like my brain want to move out i would say
[16/09/2009 12:23:00 p.m.] Fore: @ pontif it should feel like two tubes sticking out of your temples
[16/09/2009 12:23:05 p.m.] freedom.dove: was just at the back of neck, too
[16/09/2009 12:23:10 p.m.] pontificator.omf: more pressure right currently
[16/09/2009 12:23:15 p.m.] Fore: you should feel it like a tugging correct?
[16/09/2009 12:23:34 p.m.] pontificator.omf: not tugging oddly...
[16/09/2009 12:23:38 p.m.] Fore: pass your hand just over the area and see if you feel anything
[16/09/2009 12:23:53 p.m.] Fore: without touching the skin I mean
[16/09/2009 12:23:58 p.m.] pontificator.omf: errr... not feel feel, but sensation somethings going on there...
[16/09/2009 12:24:09 p.m.] pontificator.omf: heat...
[16/09/2009 12:24:30 p.m.] pontificator.omf: increase in pressure, feeling pain internal top of back throat nose intersection
[16/09/2009 12:24:35 p.m.] Fore: sounds like haz might be just behind pontif and dove
[16/09/2009 12:24:50 p.m.] Fore: dove your abilities appear to constantly be turning off and on
[16/09/2009 12:24:53 p.m.] Fore: from your descriptions
[16/09/2009 12:25:00 p.m.] freedom.dove: that's weird. when i hold my hand over the pressure area (forehead), and move it out from there, i feel pulling
[16/09/2009 12:25:11 p.m.] Fore: like a psi field that has no uniform throttle
[16/09/2009 12:25:15 p.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, fore, that's because they do, remember?
[16/09/2009 12:25:23 p.m.] freedom.dove: :P
[16/09/2009 12:25:31 p.m.] freedom.dove: they cycle on and off
[16/09/2009 12:25:33 p.m.] freedom.dove: it's a bitch
[16/09/2009 12:25:40 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pull, right side..
[16/09/2009 12:26:11 p.m.] pontificator.omf: constant pull, right temple...
[16/09/2009 12:26:33 p.m.] freedom.dove: it has something to do with the DNA activation i had done to stop the strokes
[16/09/2009 12:26:39 p.m.] Fore: if we interact long enough we will slowly turn each others abilities on
[16/09/2009 12:26:48 p.m.] hazuyo: oh, something around my temples
[16/09/2009 12:27:03 p.m.] Fore: dove you have experience a stroke?
[16/09/2009 12:27:14 p.m.] freedom.dove: not for about a year
[16/09/2009 12:27:16 p.m.] freedom.dove: thankfully
[16/09/2009 12:27:23 p.m.] pontificator.omf: weird minor pulse tug..
[16/09/2009 12:27:28 p.m.] freedom.dove: that DNA thing was done in June last year
[16/09/2009 12:27:48 p.m.] freedom.dove: i was getting them more often and they were lasting longer each time
[16/09/2009 12:28:03 p.m.] hazuyo: horizontal, pull on both temple, foreahead pressure has lowered significantly
[16/09/2009 12:28:10 p.m.] freedom.dove: i had to do the DNA tweak to get them to stop, but it caused this other problem
[16/09/2009 12:28:37 p.m.] Fore: hmm sounds like you have activation
[16/09/2009 12:28:41 p.m.] Fore: that is strange though
[16/09/2009 12:29:09 p.m.] Fore: I had long assumed that my influence would turn somoene on and then if I stopped it would return back to normal
[16/09/2009 12:29:20 p.m.] pontificator.omf: feeling of muscle pressure on tip of left lip. Now feel as though something just flowed down my surrounding eye area to left of right eye.
[16/09/2009 12:29:30 p.m.] Fore: but I am starting to realize from you three that it appears to be like a cascade effect
[16/09/2009 12:29:37 p.m.] Fore: like a runaway reaction
[16/09/2009 12:29:51 p.m.] Fore: the question is...how long will it last?

pontificator
05-08-2015, 11:59 AM
[16/09/2009 12:30:03 p.m.] freedom.dove: something to do with 'sealing' my 'fragmentary body'
[16/09/2009 12:30:15 p.m.] Fore: some other entity is looking in on us
[16/09/2009 12:30:19 p.m.] freedom.dove: sorry for the lapse on that
[16/09/2009 12:30:25 p.m.] Fore: It's ET
[16/09/2009 12:30:43 p.m.] hazuyo: it might stop just right away, but besides me i don't feel anything else particular
[16/09/2009 12:30:46 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: which species?
[16/09/2009 12:31:27 p.m.] hazuyo: nose area again, temples still in activity (mild)
[16/09/2009 12:31:38 p.m.] pontificator.omf: weird sensation just passed through my head. pressure changed to pain right temple... well, weird pain...
[16/09/2009 12:31:42 p.m.] Fore: I am going to walk away from the computer
[16/09/2009 12:31:46 p.m.] hazuyo: no more (mostly) pain in forehead
[16/09/2009 12:31:53 p.m.] Fore: see if you guys feel my pressure drop off
[16/09/2009 12:31:59 p.m.] Fore: brb
[16/09/2009 12:32:03 p.m.] platinumlurker: So why wont it work with me?
[16/09/2009 12:32:21 p.m.] hazuyo: no idea
[16/09/2009 12:32:25 p.m.] pontificator.omf: It's possible it's hard to determine your signature
[16/09/2009 12:32:35 p.m.] pontificator.omf: or... you are very well shielded
[16/09/2009 12:32:50 p.m.] platinumlurker: What would shield me?
[16/09/2009 12:33:03 p.m.] hazuyo: superman?
[16/09/2009 12:33:05 p.m.] hazuyo: ^^
[16/09/2009 12:34:00 p.m.] pontificator.omf: natural wild-mage effect? Breathing affected slightly, right lung.
[16/09/2009 12:34:23 p.m.] hazuyo: or the area you re in?
[16/09/2009 12:34:25 p.m.] pontificator.omf: increase in pressure, right temple, head pressure at top increasing.
[16/09/2009 12:34:57 p.m.] hazuyo: same status as before for me
[16/09/2009 12:34:58 p.m.] freedom.dove: pressure is the same, if not more intense. moving still
[16/09/2009 12:35:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: right ear, lower right side towards back, right jaw, forehead on right side
[16/09/2009 12:35:36 p.m.] freedom.dove: geesh, my body is so messed up
[16/09/2009 12:35:39 p.m.] freedom.dove: it's switching
[16/09/2009 12:35:43 p.m.] freedom.dove: still...
[16/09/2009 12:35:57 p.m.] freedom.dove: brb
[16/09/2009 12:36:08 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: my eye pain and pressure went away, came back for a sec and went away again
[16/09/2009 12:36:22 p.m.] platinumlurker: Lillian who are you on OMF?
[16/09/2009 12:36:31 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: newyorklily
[16/09/2009 12:36:38 p.m.] platinumlurker: Ahhhh ok
[16/09/2009 12:36:45 p.m.] platinumlurker: Sorry im dense sometimes
[16/09/2009 12:36:45 p.m.] Fore: ok im back
[16/09/2009 12:36:48 p.m.] pontificator.omf: output minor painful increase on top of head, felt like it shifted there from right temple. Now feeling, tingly...
[16/09/2009 12:36:52 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: np
[16/09/2009 12:36:54 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: lol
[16/09/2009 12:37:26 p.m.] Fore: so am i to understand that even if I stop paying attention,,,your psi activation still continues on it's own?
[16/09/2009 12:37:39 p.m.] hazuyo: as you come back, forefead pain come back
[16/09/2009 12:37:53 p.m.] pontificator.omf: it would appear so, but I'm wondering if we bridged via their imprints on you at some stage...
[16/09/2009 12:39:09 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: you should make it a blind study Fore and not tell us when you are there or when you leave
[16/09/2009 12:39:41 p.m.] Fore: Sure I can do that
[16/09/2009 12:39:46 p.m.] hazuyo: the most active part of my head so far, has been top of my nose that is almost always there
[16/09/2009 12:39:53 p.m.] Fore: but you'll have to be like pontif and indicate when there is a change
[16/09/2009 12:40:02 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: ok
[16/09/2009 12:40:23 p.m.] Fore: what do you guys feel now?
[16/09/2009 12:40:32 p.m.] Fore: I am relaxing my abilities
[16/09/2009 12:40:33 p.m.] platinumlurker: Hungry
[16/09/2009 12:40:39 p.m.] hazuyo: pressure forehead
[16/09/2009 12:40:39 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: there is a slight pesence in my apartment
[16/09/2009 12:40:58 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: gone now
[16/09/2009 12:41:05 p.m.] pontificator.omf: umm, overall feeling of bliss outside my head. no real pressure to speak of.
[16/09/2009 12:41:37 p.m.] pontificator.omf: minor surface feeling like something is touching the skin in places, but very lightly
[16/09/2009 12:41:51 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: a much strongher presence of something i've never felt before
[16/09/2009 12:42:08 p.m.] pontificator.omf: forehead feels like its got something on it to be honest, very light and... fluffy?

pontificator
05-08-2015, 12:00 PM
[16/09/2009 12:42:11 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: around my shoulders and back
[16/09/2009 12:42:35 p.m.] hazuyo: ears feels blocked (but ar not)
[16/09/2009 12:42:56 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure increase in same areas, minor...
[16/09/2009 12:43:23 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: i'm just sitting in this presence
[16/09/2009 12:43:34 p.m.] hazuyo: i hear my blood pressure
[16/09/2009 12:43:42 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: it scared me at first because i don't rcognize it
[16/09/2009 12:43:46 p.m.] freedom.dove: okay, back now
[16/09/2009 12:44:00 p.m.] freedom.dove: still pressure on right side, pain in ear
[16/09/2009 12:44:05 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: but more comfortable with it now but not copletely
[16/09/2009 12:44:18 p.m.] pontificator.omf: minor burning, vertical streak, right forehead. pressure minor back left of head.
[16/09/2009 12:44:53 p.m.] hazuyo: still forehead mild pain
[16/09/2009 12:45:12 p.m.] hazuyo: nose area agina
[16/09/2009 12:45:12 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: presence fading away
[16/09/2009 12:45:16 p.m.] freedom.dove: forehead, back of neck right side; pain and pressure with both
[16/09/2009 12:45:30 p.m.] freedom.dove: yeah, lilly, i think it's here now
[16/09/2009 12:45:36 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: gone
[16/09/2009 12:45:42 p.m.] freedom.dove: don't know who all comes and goes here
[16/09/2009 12:46:28 p.m.] hazuyo: focusing on the nose
[16/09/2009 12:46:49 p.m.] hazuyo: and middle of the eye forehead area
[16/09/2009 12:47:36 p.m.] Fore: Lilly
[16/09/2009 12:47:40 p.m.] Fore: this is pretty sudden
[16/09/2009 12:47:51 p.m.] Fore: but I think you should bail from this session for right now
[16/09/2009 12:47:57 p.m.] hazuyo: headache very lowered
[16/09/2009 12:48:06 p.m.] Fore: you are describing what sounds like an RV sessions near to you
[16/09/2009 12:48:26 p.m.] Fore: as one of the male ET's indicated an interest in this group of people
[16/09/2009 12:48:46 p.m.] Fore: I think it would be wise for you all to step away and go about the rest of your day before anything further occurs
[16/09/2009 12:49:00 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: no problem
[16/09/2009 12:49:11 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: good night everyone.
[16/09/2009 12:49:20 p.m.] freedom.dove: see ya lilly
[16/09/2009 12:49:20 p.m.] pontificator.omf: night
[16/09/2009 12:49:37 p.m.] hazuyo: good night
[16/09/2009 12:49:57 p.m.] epo333: 2Hr 8imin
[16/09/2009 12:50:31 p.m.] hazuyo: thanks fore and everyone, bye : )
[16/09/2009 12:50:40 p.m.] Fore: Dove you too, I am reading up
[16/09/2009 12:51:02 p.m.] freedom.dove: me too, what?
[16/09/2009 12:51:02 p.m.] Fore: It sounds like you all mightbe systematically profiled
[16/09/2009 12:51:06 p.m.] freedom.dove: you want me to go?
[16/09/2009 12:51:15 p.m.] freedom.dove: dude i've been profiled for a while
[16/09/2009 12:51:20 p.m.] freedom.dove: :P
[16/09/2009 12:51:29 p.m.] Fore: hazuyo are you a male or female?
[16/09/2009 12:51:36 p.m.] Fore: (sorry to be blunt
[16/09/2009 12:51:40 p.m.] hazuyo: male
[16/09/2009 12:51:42 p.m.] pontificator.omf: I'm pretty sure that if anything wanted to profile me, it's already done it...
[16/09/2009 12:51:55 p.m.] hazuyo: no worrie, same as pontif
[16/09/2009 12:52:48 p.m.] hazuyo: so is it done for tonight or...?
[16/09/2009 12:53:29 p.m.] platinumlurker: Will i be as well?
[16/09/2009 12:53:35 p.m.] platinumlurker: Profiled that is?
[16/09/2009 12:53:54 p.m.] Fore: unlikely since you aren't able to experience anything seemingly psychic at the moment
[16/09/2009 12:54:00 p.m.] Fore: I am just being extra careful
[16/09/2009 12:54:18 p.m.] platinumlurker: Well tell the advisor she can come have a chat with me anytime
[16/09/2009 12:54:25 p.m.] pontificator.omf: So.... does the advisor have any comments to make about me? [ I'm hardly going to be offended ]
[16/09/2009 12:54:29 p.m.] Fore: I don't want bad situations to occur by people being exaimined by ET's
[16/09/2009 12:54:46 p.m.] Fore: knowing her she probably will
[16/09/2009 12:55:12 p.m.] platinumlurker: Late at night in my office would be good LOL
[16/09/2009 12:55:27 p.m.] platinumlurker: Tell her the couch is all hers
[16/09/2009 12:55:33 p.m.] freedom.dove: lol
[16/09/2009 12:55:42 p.m.] Fore: @ pontif at the moment she seems to want to make this about me
[16/09/2009 12:55:53 p.m.] platinumlurker: Night all Dinners ready
[16/09/2009 12:55:55 p.m.] pontificator.omf: understandable...
[16/09/2009 12:55:57 p.m.] Fore: she doesn't appear to want to jump in at the moment
[16/09/2009 12:56:00 p.m.] epo333: IMO this hasn't been a bad start for the 1st session...but all good thinks must end at somepoint...?
[16/09/2009 12:56:03 p.m.] freedom.dove: see ya, shads
[16/09/2009 12:56:06 p.m.] Fore: I am pretty sure there is a good reason as to why
[16/09/2009 12:56:28 p.m.] pontificator.omf: Ahhh, she might have been my ex-wife in a prior lifetime... understood...
[16/09/2009 12:57:25 p.m.] Fore: thanks epo for keeping tabs on all this
[16/09/2009 12:57:30 p.m.] Fore: your help is indispensible
[16/09/2009 12:58:18 p.m.] epo333: Before I go ... one last thing.
[16/09/2009 12:58:38 p.m.] pontificator.omf: pressure right temple...
[16/09/2009 12:59:13 p.m.] hazuyo: i still have mild pain in forehead, and nose area acting btw...
[16/09/2009 12:59:13 p.m.] Fore: there is one thing I want you all to report back.....how many hours until the side effects from this session completely disappears
[16/09/2009 12:59:31 p.m.] hazuyo: what side effects should we expect?
[16/09/2009 12:59:46 p.m.] pontificator.omf: might be a while, I'm seeing if I can maintain it... Will post in the testing thread
[16/09/2009 1:00:06 p.m.] freedom.dove: fore, when you're done be sure to check that conversation box we started before things got going here
[16/09/2009 1:00:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: pressure in head has already gone down some
[16/09/2009 1:00:42 p.m.] freedom.dove: back of head still feels pain and pressure
[16/09/2009 1:01:27 p.m.] hazuyo: ok, if nothing more, i'm going to sleep now, and hopefully have dreams that I ll remember...
[16/09/2009 1:01:52 p.m.] epo333: I'll be on the boards for a bit...good night folks....
[16/09/2009 1:02:28 p.m.] Fore: If anyone visits you guys, I would suggest you all use your own wise discernment as to whether you should respond back
[16/09/2009 1:02:29 p.m.] freedom.dove: see ya, epo. thanks
[16/09/2009 1:02:37 p.m.] hazuyo: 'night all
[16/09/2009 1:02:43 p.m.] freedom.dove: night hazuyo
[16/09/2009 1:02:56 p.m.] Fore: night all
[16/09/2009 1:02:59 p.m.] Fore: night shads
[16/09/2009 1:03:09 p.m.] freedom.dove: night fore
[16/09/2009 1:03:43 p.m.] Fore: night dove
[16/09/2009 1:03:45 p.m.] freedom.dove: see ya, ponti
[16/09/2009 1:03:58 p.m.] freedom.dove: it was...interesting...
[16/09/2009 1:04:07 p.m.] freedom.dove: :)
[16/09/2009 1:04:22 p.m.] Fore: isn't it always?
[16/09/2009 1:04:25 p.m.] Fore: ;)
[16/09/2009 1:04:58 p.m.] freedom.dove: hehehe :)
[16/09/2009 1:04:58 p.m.] pontificator.omf: night all
[16/09/2009 1:07:27 p.m.] *** Call ended ***
[23/09/2009 5:43:16 p.m.] nietzsche..: hi Fore
[23/09/2009 5:43:20 p.m.] nietzsche..: Hi everyone
[23/09/2009 5:44:21 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: hi did you guys ring me too?
[23/09/2009 5:44:59 p.m.] nietzsche..: i got the long conversation just now
[23/09/2009 5:45:07 p.m.] nietzsche..: But, i didn't see while it happened
[23/09/2009 5:45:33 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: ok no problem
[23/09/2009 5:45:47 p.m.] Lillian E Waters: g'nit Neitzche
[23/09/2009 5:45:53 p.m.] nietzsche..: good night

Fore
05-24-2015, 12:27 PM
Some of the things we have talked about:
time (or events) that flows in both directions,
effect sometimes preceding cause,
entities who can in theory process information differently in real time
are shown in this episode:

http://bestreams.net/kd9g86ao517m
Highly recommended you watch.

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Fore
05-24-2015, 12:37 PM
Please pay close attention to the 8 min mark and you'll see how some of our conversations shed a little light on beings who can use ESP to "plan" a course of events. This video has at least a dozen points to talk about. I am just choosing one in particular.

Obviously, they talk about certain things as a theory. If you have read through this thread for awhile you'll realize that some of the ideas dabbled with in this episode are a reality for some ET cultures/lifeforms.

newyorklily
05-24-2015, 02:00 PM
I am sure they will survive :) Note: I have substituted my other account name with "pontifs_other_account" in the transcript.


Now, onto a Skype meeting from 09...

I remember that night. The entity presence I felt near me was different than any I had felt before or since. Very strange.

Fore
05-24-2015, 04:51 PM
I remember that night. The entity presence I felt near me was different than any I had felt before or since. Very strange.I just finished reading that session. Everyone was activating with the exception of EPO and the intended target (shads/platinum lurker).

I am sorry I told you all to basically "disperse" back then but from what I still recall and noticed at that time was some ET giving us the _wrong kind_ of "a look over". The type of ET thinking that turns people into someones pet project.

What did the presence feel like back, then? Characteristics wise how would you describe it?

newyorklily
05-24-2015, 08:07 PM
I just finished reading that session. Everyone was activating with the exception of EPO and the intended target (shads/platinum lurker).

I am sorry I told you all to basically "disperse" back then but from what I still recall and noticed at that time was some ET giving us the _wrong kind_ of "a look over". The type of ET thinking that turns people into someones pet project.

What did the presence feel like back, then? Characteristics wise how would you describe it?

I didn't feel any threat from it. It was like it was curious and looking over my shoulder to see what was on the computer screen.

Usually, when I feel something, my mind will fill in the blanks with another sense. This will usually be something from memory; an odor, a sound or (more frequently) a picture in my mind. This helps me to identify it and to give it a stronger link in memory. With this feeling, all that came to mind was an amorphous blob. I don't know if that is what it actually looked like or that there was nothing in my memory to associate it with (though, MacDonald's Grimace did come to mind slightly).

pontificator
05-25-2015, 11:56 AM
@Fore, thanks for the link, a very good explanatory video of the type I don't see at all on TV down here; well, not that I've had a TV for a few years now, but that's a different matter.

I've thrown a copy of the old OMF thread to someone I know should be psychically capable, I'll be watching with interest to see what happens; they've been warned. I'm also particularly interested in how far in they have to be before the temples start acting up, which was one of the things I noticed very early in the thread [a long time ago now, way back when I'd never experienced it before.]

@Fore, NewYorkLily, maybe we should get the band together again to relive the night ;) But this time around keep going, and see how far it can actually be pushed; for the brave only, there'd need to be some serious defensive preparations in place first.

Fore
05-25-2015, 03:43 PM
@Fore, thanks for the link, a very good explanatory video of the type I don't see at all on TV down here; well, not that I've had a TV for a few years now, but that's a different matter.

I've thrown a copy of the old OMF thread to someone I know should be psychically capable, I'll be watching with interest to see what happens; they've been warned. I'm also particularly interested in how far in they have to be before the temples start acting up, which was one of the things I noticed very early in the thread [a long time ago now, way back when I'd never experienced it before.]

@Fore, NewYorkLily, maybe we should get the band together again to relive the night ;) But this time around keep going, and see how far it can actually be pushed; for the brave only, there'd need to be some serious defensive preparations in place first.

I wouldn't mind getting the group together again. But the protection I receive is under the understanding/agreement that I don't initiate any willful psychic activity. Even if it is not directed at spiritual entities. In other words, my hands are tied for pretty much the rest of my life.

L-W
07-02-2015, 03:42 PM
Is it possible to explain things so that they can be easier to comprehend? Or can you give any references to some dictionary?

Soooo much material to go through in order to put things into perspective. Especially if you want to understand the OpenMinds-thread.

Why not just compile it all and do a ToE?

Fore
07-02-2015, 05:13 PM
Is it possible to explain things so that they can be easier to comprehend? Or can you give any references to some dictionary?

Soooo much material to go through in order to put things into perspective. Especially if you want to understand the OpenMinds-thread.

Why not just compile it all and do a ToE?I've thought of doing so many times, the truth is any time I try to do exactly that, alot of bad things happen (to me). Perhaps it is just a coincidence, but from experience, it is one hell of a coincidental "anomaly".

Putting everything behind me seems like the wiser option.

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Unfortunately, if you want to understand most of it, you'll have to read.
(But warning, reading through it also tends to bring various people some types of trouble, as silly as that may sound...)

The only other options I can think of is to simply ask someone who has read it to distill it for you and I can correct any inaccuracy or just add details to their understanding. That makes things alot easier for me.

Beyond that, if you have a specific question, I can simply answer it.
Though, if it's something that will attract attention my way, I'd probably just rather stay silent.
As the inside joke goes, all parties involved will know whether your question is a sensitive one or not before you even ask it.

L-W
07-02-2015, 09:07 PM
Thankyou.

You wrote about tendril-like structures around the head area that supposedly stored recent memories;
How long time do they span backwards?

[Is this one of those questions you'd like us to search for in the thread using the boards' search feature?]

I will start reading this material, starting with my PDF version of the old OM thread - which I can send to anyone reading this by the way.

Fore
07-03-2015, 05:54 AM
Thankyou.

You wrote about tendril-like structures around the head area that supposedly stored recent memories; I refer to them now as more like filaments that extend upwards above the skull. At the end of the filaments (well, in a developed psychic at least) there is an invisible [ringlike/oval] structure that is situated above the physical skull and above the filaments.

As my best guess, I believe these are some kind of [super]natural mechanism that seems to aid in the formation of consciousness and the ~spirit-to-body~ interconnect.

There are quite a few things beyond that point. But since the focus of your question is on memory...

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The "filaments" and the ring-like structure above it seem to facilitate a cache of recent processing of thoughts and memories. The thought/memories content is transitioned from an organic format into a different format that apparently permanently recorded.


Note 1: I discovered this in the various psychic experiments with the ET and through using afterwards on my own, I realized (or was outright told) that this is where [passive] mind reading is takes place.



How long time do they span backwards? It varies from individual to individual. I'd say roughly 30 to 90 days. But it varies from what I remember. It was never a fixed amount of time.


Note 2: In [active] mind reading, the ET's use psychic abilities to grain control of the ring-like structure in a person. Through the filaments connected to this structure they....[simulate/stimulate] remote control of the organic parts of a persons body (the brain). As if it were an acute non-standard possession they access organic memories. Which puts the thought/conscious data back into circulation.

[Active] mind reading is considered an invasive exercise. [Passive] mind reading is less invasive and is easier to access. Two different methods. (and there are several sub-methods)


[Is this one of those questions you'd like us to search for in the thread using the boards' search feature?] I don't recommend the search feature unless you are good at it. It will be a hit or miss.

If your questions are simple and to the point I don't mind answering. By the way, I was "accessed" by "something" while I took an afternoon nap. So I am pretty sure someone already noticed we are talking.

Fore
07-03-2015, 06:18 AM
Oh by the way, the filaments and ring-like structure in a non-psychic individual are sunken into the head. The ring-like structure itself seems to reside just below the skull cap in non-psychic individuals.

When I mentioned above that it is above the head, I mean for active psychic users. The components seem to extend slightly above/outside the body in a fixed position when it is an active [well developed] psychic.

The only differences I noticed with non-active psychics is that their ring-like structure is buried below the skull cap and pretty much intersects [position-ally] with the physical brain. The active (well developed) psychic has it above the skull cap and away from the organic brain hardware.

The ring-like structure is also very thin and very non-uniform in non-psychics. More like a thin wire that at times is a non-continuous unbroken ring.

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In well developed psychics, the ring-like structure resides above the skull and brain, removed from the head at about 4 to 6 inches above the top of the head. The loop intensifies and becomes more uniform. If you put on a cap or pass your hand (or someone else does) you and they can feel its presence like an invisible resistance.

On that note, you will also have a strange sense of "external sensation" when someone touches it. Some people hands go numb, other feel like their hands gets hot (from the influence in their hand) and others feel woozy after touching it for a minute.

The reasons for most of their sensations is basically the ring-like structure acts like a psychic amplifier. Like an invisible amplifier the structure itself can control a form of potentials I/ and the ET called "influence".

Some pass their hands through the proverbial amplifier and their hands go numb from the changed state of their hands (and often arms) influence state.
Other people experience the sensation of heat in their hands from passing through the focused area. Their hands become flushed and red.
Their arteries in their hand and arms seem to dilate.

Other people feel that the blood starts to flow towards their hand and their arms get heavy as if the blood is pooling where it touched the ring-like amplifier.
For a couple, their hands and part of their arm went numb as a result.

Others feel a pain in their chest and they feel woozy [light headed] as if they had experience an energy drain.

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etc.

Edit: Oh and some kinds of animals seem to have something similar as well. Same as non-physics. It's latent and buried in their skull. Often if you touch their head and stimulate the energy centers in their head with your hand they seem to feel an exaggerated sense of calm and then sleepy-ness. They literally fall asleep in a few seconds if you stimulate it correctly. (pretty easy)

I have also in the past tried accessing one (or several I think) of an animals energy centers during an epileptic attack to stop the abnormal cycling of their brain. It causes the attack to stop if you re-sequence the pattern.

It seems to be a manifestation of...what do they call it........
Micro-PK I think.

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I have also tried it on other human beings and the same effect occurs. They become extremely calm, then they fall asleep rather quickly.

I at times wonder if this is how the ET put human beings into a deep state of relaxation and then to sleep. Probably not quite considering I have seen how they do it.

Powessy
07-04-2015, 03:52 AM
Hello Fore

Fore Wrote: I refer to them now as more like filaments that extend upwards above the skull


I am trying not to comment here but I have some questions of you. Do you actually feel these filaments on your crown? I call them treemends, this is the name given to me to describe them. The treemend is the soul it is yourself inside of these filaments. The soul is divided onto the two parts the soul inside of you and the souls mind that is who you will always become in every reincarnation. The treemend is a capsule that holds yourself within it, it is experiencing this world as you are it is the control of the human body and mind. Within the treemend we can astral project to find answers to problems. I once believed that sleep paralysis was the body trying to protect it's self during astral projecting but this theory is wrong. When we astral project the soul outside in the body is disconnected and then becomes itself inside of the treemend to experience and to find answers. The you inside of the treemend is the true you your highest self and who you will always become.

Powessy

Fore
07-04-2015, 05:18 AM
Hello Fore

Fore Wrote: I refer to them now as more like filaments that extend upwards above the skull


I am trying not to comment here but I have some questions of you. Do you actually feel these filaments on your crown? No. They are extremely thin and (for me at least) require a hypersensitivity. In other words, even in a normal [active] psychic state you can't notice it. I only noticed them after some periods of acute hypersensitivity while I was developing during psychic experiments run by the ET.

You can notice the ring-like structure pretty easily though.

The filaments themselves are numerous and each probably less than 1mm in thickness. Maybe much less than that.


I call them treemends, this is the name given to me to describe them. After analyzing your experience a while ago it became clear that you conceptualized a term called a "treemend" that covers a wide variety of separate phenomena. Both abstract and literal.

The two versions of your and my understanding are somewhat incompatible because you haven't (yet) looked into the discrete parts that make things work together.

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For example, I am pretty certain you grouped the physical [body based sensations] of activation and the non-physical sensations as being one and the same. In other words, your grouping things inclusively into one term and that means there is room for confusion.

I am pretty certain you can't sense the "filaments" but you can sense the raw influence flowing out through your skull area during a psychic activation. (as most people do in your experience)

You seem to consider that entire experience as "a treemend". But going further you add more discrete aspects of your experience (abstract concepts) as "a treemend"...such as you experiencing more than one consciousness manifesting within your "mind".

If you put these things together you end up with an all encompassing concept. In your case your calling it a "treemend".

Even if it looks like we are talking about the same thing, we aren't quite doing so yet.


The treemend is the soul it is yourself inside of these filaments. The soul is divided onto the two parts the soul inside of you and the souls mind that is who you will always become in every reincarnation. The treemend is a capsule that holds yourself within it, it is experiencing this world as you are it is the control of the human body and mind.

If you are interested in my decoding of the phrases used by Powessy, simply go to this link:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?343-DEMONIC-or-ET-any-first-hand-ENCOUNTERS/page53



Within the treemend we can astral project to find answers to problems. I once believed that sleep paralysis was the body trying to protect it's self during astral projecting but this theory is wrong. When we astral project the soul outside in the body is disconnected and then becomes itself inside of the treemend to experience and to find answers. The you inside of the treemend is the true you your highest self and who you will always become.

Powessy

Powessy is what results when you have an individual who is prone to invasive experiences. When more than one spiritual presence can gain access to a living body and it's internal system with a [still living] presence attached to it.

In other words, most of his experiences can be taken from that basic vantage point (transitory possession of the spiritual kind]. His mind is still attempting to remain consistent and builds up an understanding of what is happening to him based on what he can glean from the events surrounding him.

Basic things are observed but the technical details are missing or contrived to make the experience "consistent".

In his case, the word treemend basically refers to:
-- The notion that these are transitory experiences manifesting in his mind.
(from spirituals connecting to his psychic system and coloring his mind with their own content)
-- The notion that these transitory experiences are different than his own mind which is native-to-his-body.
-- The general idea that these transitory experiences of his spiritual run-ins (momentary partial possession) has something to do with some greater purpose.
-- The fact that his native to his body mind is different than those who intrude on it.

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In other words, Powessy can be summed up as someone who has a live wire exposed.
Anytime some entity touches his psychic system, his mind is affected by it, and he in turn interprets that as being more than it is.
As soon as the entity releases it's grasp on his psychic system, the manifested intrusion disappears, and only he remains.
That confuses him (apparently). So the result is the growth of an idea that this all has some importance than just an exposed psychic system.

It is his best attempt to understand what is happening to and around him.
It also has him curious, so he intentionally seeks out these experiences in believing they mean more than they do.

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It goes without saying, the structures I described above can be used by anything that is psychic (ET or spiritual). Not only just to read information but also to insert it into the individual. (Thoughts. Emotions. Sensory information. Telepathy, etc)

Fore
07-04-2015, 05:32 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Nu2GFpi.png

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For example, how sensitive do you have to be to sense the filaments?

Well, you'd easily be able to feel all the objects around the room beyond your body. (ESP)
You'd also would be able to feel when your cellphone is sending a periodic signal to the tower.
Or for that matter, be able to feel just how much charge any electronic device has by touching it.
Batteries will be painful to touch (even under the plastic). And you'd also have to careful with electronics because your influence will damage it.

If you walk or drive past a high tension powerline you'll notice it. Anywhere from 500ft to half a mile away.
Standing next to your microwave while it is heating things up also feels pretty bad. It is true that about 2 feet away from it,
the strength of the electronic emissions falls off sharply. But even then you'll still notice it by another foot or two beyond that.

So about this sensitive.
If you are psychic but experience none of that, you'd surprise me if you felt the filaments.

You can even sense the electrical activity occurring inside the skull of someones brain while looking at them.
It is like having a proverbial area-wide ESP imager that interfaces with your higher components and ultimately your down-to-earth awareness.

Powessy
07-04-2015, 08:04 AM
Hello fore

I feel the filaments all the time at every moment and all day long. At night they retract into my head and in the morning once I awaken they start to crawl out of my head. the filaments travel to the low of my back and in many layers on my head I can even see them at any time I look out the corners of my eyes. I can see their energy patterns with eyes closed and I do not have to do any special thing to feel them or sense them as you have stated. The filaments can move down to my eyes and talk to me in pendulum motions, yes, no, and I am thinking. I can move the filaments with thought forms and create very complex motions on my skin that are living and moving. The treemends on my crown come in many thicknesses and lengths some of them can reach down under my chin and others all the way down my back. I talk to them fore, I talk to those within me and tell them they are inside of these treemends and they do not believe me when I say this. I will have the voice that I am talking to at the time move this filament down to my eyes and make a pattern of their choosing, and they then believe. I have done this thousands of times in the last year as I play and talk to them, those within the treemends.

Fore I know what you were experiencing and it has nothing to do with you. Can you still get these feelings the same way as they were when you first tried to understand them. The feelings you get now are just thought forms for the entities that was once in you is long gone. Every time you try to feel them you have a predetermined thought of how they felt and something else inside of you thought forms the rest. For I can close my eyes or with them open and see anything in the room that is in the veil without meditating or taking time to find my mojo, I just see them. I have always been able to glance into the veil with eyes open and closed to see things moving around me and into me.

I have not been completely clear with the thoughts about treemends because many people do not understand the root problem. A soul only has one treemend, one filament and within that filament is your soul, here is another explanation of this. I am trying to find a way to explain this with less confusion. Take two pop cans and stack them on top of one another. The top can is the treemend and yourself and the bottom can is the human body and himself or herself, the top can, can not be seen in this reality. Inside the top can is yourself the true you the higher self. The bottom can is fore your body and the other part of your soul himself or herself the part that is experiencing. The soul is actually separated into two parts the part in the treemend or filament and the part that is within your body now experiencing this lifetime becoming you. When you die the bottom pop can will stay here and you will retract into your treemend to become yourself again to ask questions and explore your lives and past memories as yourself. When you are done and come to the realization that you need to become yourself again you will leave your treemend and move through the veil to the next life you will become.

Now why did you feel all those filaments or treemends Fore. An angel is the only soul that can carry treemends in the number you are talking about. The ring like structure you are talking about is the crown of the angel(sparteil) that is riding on your soul. He is not trying to become you he is just taking you for a ride to find information and to see things through your imaginations. An angel can carry thousands and thousands of souls on there heads as they grow treemends to store many souls in. One of the jobs of the angel is to find anything that can not become something again and store it inside of themselves till later it is a record of things that have been something once. The soul is either allowed to reincarnate or it is not allowed and this decision is the decision of the world soul object and the angels. Only the angels can make a soul an allowed soul and this transformation is permanent till that soul can not become something again. The angel that was inside you taking you for a ride is a sparteil it has many thousands of souls inside of it. When a soul enters into an angel it is stacked like a cup one on top of the other the treemend gets longer and fatter the more souls stacked within the treemends. The souls within the sparteil are knotted together they are tied to one another and separated from their higher mind. If an unallowed soul becomes itself inside of its treemend that soul will die it can not be reborn and will just die inside of itself. Fore I am trying to be as careful as possible not to step on feet here. I respect your analysis of my experience but I have been doing this every day now for over a year and a half. I am an analytical person and have an IQ of over 120. I come here to share to bring light to your questions slowly, I see the correlation of your experiences in the simple things I have discovered and played with over and over again in the beginning of my awakening. Try to understand I have these entities or sparteil entering into me every day some with only a few filaments and some with thousands of these filaments. They are unknotted within me and then transferred into the longer thinker filaments down my back.

I am powessy For I am myself and myself only.

Powessy

Fore
07-04-2015, 08:43 PM
Hello fore

I feel the filaments all the time at every moment and all day long. I know what you are describing but....it has little to do with filaments when you get down to the nitty gritty details. (more an artform in splitting the details the right way to be honest)

What you are referring to are "influence fields". That is what you actually feel "every moment all day long".

These influence fields as you described them, when..."energized"....tends to intensify and create anomalies around it.

What you "feel" (skin and ESP wise) are just the physical/non-physical anomalies. Since you have "conduits" throughout your body, when they intensify they tend to create a positive pressure and the fields "emanate" from your body. That is in essence what keeps the "ring-like" psychic structure above the surface of the physical body.

If you de-intensify the influence field, the entire thing collapses and retracts. The anomalies around these fields (usually) also disappear and become negligible.

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So you have a very inclusive concept. Sticking together many different aspects into one word.

When in reality (says I, unless any ET wants to testify...wait, no that is not an invitation!) there are many discrete components and aspects that are better understood separately.

The "influence fields" are what you "experience". It's what creates those micro-pk/pk effects.


At night they retract into my head and in the morning once I awaken they start to crawl out of my head. Which tells you that you have a semi-conscious control over the mechanisms behind your field.


the filaments travel to the low of my back and in many layers on my head That is just an internal conduit inside your body. Like a conduit structure it leaks (an influence field) when you intensify your entire system.


I can even see them at any time I look out the corners of my eyes. Not sure what to make of that.


I can see their energy patterns with eyes closed and I do not have to do any special thing to feel them or sense them as you have stated. Well I am not too surprised to hear that. I'd expect at least that much considering everything else you've told me about your experience.


The filaments can move down to my eyes and talk to me in pendulum motions, yes, no, and I am thinking. I can move the filaments with thought forms and create very complex motions on my skin that are living and moving. That has more to do with your own ability to manipulate your personal influence fields.

You can do all sorts of things if you know what you are doing with your influence.



The treemends on my crown come in many thicknesses and lengths some of them can reach down under my chin and others all the way down my back. I talk to them fore, I talk to those within me and tell them they are inside of these treemends and they do not believe me when I say this. I will have the voice that I am talking to at the time move this filament down to my eyes and make a pattern of their choosing, and they then believe. I have done this thousands of times in the last year as I play and talk to them, those within the treemends. I do not doubt you have "talks" with whatever is invading your supernatural system at any given time frame.

But alot of what you experience has more to do with your own misunderstanding of the situation. (in my opinion)
It is (face palm) like holding a conversation with with your own arm or leg as it moves. Except in this case it would be your own
supernatural field.

Can someone else, a spiritual presence other than you, tap/hijack into your field and move it around? Yes.
But of course, for normal people, that would be something to worry about.

From my perspective you have a couple of ideas that are misplaced and that is in itself causing a misunderstanding and/or a misinterpretation of what you perceive is actually happening.

Fore
07-04-2015, 09:02 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/57/Magnet0873.png

For example, your personal understanding could be partially "fixed" if you simply accept this much. (in my opinion)

Your influence field is like the above image, only supernatural of course. It is immaterial.

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When I refer to the filaments, I am talking about a unique kind of influence configuration that is found just above the head.
It is a separate series of functioning structures shaped like a long thin line. (sub-millimeter)

These are for the most part unchanging. I believe (I am unsure) they only change length when your influence field is
"energized" but their properties do not appear to change.

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This is different than your normal influence fields. Your normal influence fields are constantly in flux and changing between states.
Your normal influence fields change based on your lower or higher intentions. Like a personal supernatural fabric it changes.

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Your filaments (a tiny segment of your overall field) are seemingly made of a unique influence configuration.
They are composed of an influence type that does not appear to vary very much. Like a influence center, it's configuration is seemingly a ~fixed-function~.


In other words, one type of influence is changing constantly to a certain degree (your general influence field) and the other is made of a configuration that is generally unchanging or changing within a set of parameters (the ring-like structure/your influence centers/filaments) etc.

Powessy
07-05-2015, 07:02 AM
I know what you are describing but....it has little to do with filaments when you get down to the nitty gritty details. (more an artform in splitting the details the right way to be honest)
What you are referring to are "influence fields". That is what you actually feel "every moment all day long".
These influence fields as you described them, when..."energized"....tends to intensify and create anomalies around it.
What you "feel" (skin and ESP wise) are just the physical/non-physical anomalies. Since you have "conduits" throughout your body, when they intensify they tend to create a positive pressure and the fields "emanate" from your body. That is in essence what keeps the "ring-like" psychic structure above the surface of the physical body.
If you de-intensify the influence field, the entire thing collapses and retracts. The anomalies around these fields (usually) also disappear and become negligible.
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So you have a very inclusive concept. Sticking together many different aspects into one word.
When in reality (says I, unless any ET wants to testify...wait, no that is not an invitation!) there are many discrete components and aspects that are better understood separately.
The "influence fields" are what you "experience". It's what creates those micro-pk/pk effects.

Hello Fore

I can assure you that what I feel is not some influence field. The treemends as I refer to them are thin hairs, I can see them and feel them as they move constantly on my crown. I am going to allow them to explain these things from their perspective as I try to move through your observations. Powessy
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We are ourselves and we are the ones that are talking to powessy he is asking us to write this so you can understand the treemends that are moving on his head. I think you do not understand the things he is trying to explain to you. The treemends are on his head in the thousands they are every where he just showed me how to talk to him on his eye and he thinks you do not believe this he thinks he is alone in understanding this. He can see them and I can see them in the corners of his eyes I know that I am in them because when I try to move down to his eye, I just go there and move in the directions I am thinking. Ourselves




You can do all sorts of things if you know what you are doing with your influence.
I do not doubt you have "talks" with whatever is invading your supernatural system at any given time frame.
But alot of what you experience has more to do with your own misunderstanding of the situation. (in my opinion)
It is (face palm) like holding a conversation with with your own arm or leg as it moves. Except in this case it would be your own
supernatural field.


I do not make all the thought forms they like to make them also and they are great imitators of these forms. I am not the one that is misunderstanding the situation, you just have no idea and could have no idea unless you could feel them moving on you.
I spent three years in the 82nd airborne, Every once and awhile I would talk to reservists or national guardsmen or weekend warriors. the difference between these military tours is that I spent everyday doing my job compared to the national guardsman who only practiced his enlistment one weekend a year. Fore we are like this your experiences are maybe one weekend a month and I am living this everyday of the year, who do you think is more confused?

I am going to let them answer your thoughts about them being supernatural fields like the ones that move the arm or leg.
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We are going to try and be as polite as possible here but what the hell do you think we are, we are the things that you do not want to understand, we are the worst things that your race of people could ever want here and he is the only thing stopping us at this point. We think you are very confused and have a problem understanding us on this topic. Powessy understands us very well he is here talking to us all day long and through the night, in his dreams he is experiencing our worlds. We are like strands of hairs like he said we can tell you that he is feeling us all day long and we are not some influence field. Ourselves



Can someone else, a spiritual presence other than you, tap/hijack into your field and move it around? Yes.
But of course, for normal people, that would be something to worry about.
From my perspective you have a couple of ideas that are misplaced and that is in itself causing a misunderstanding and/or a misinterpretation of what you perceive is actually happening.

Hello fore we are ourselves and we are here all the time we are talking to him all day long he is not confused in the least about the things he is experiencing. He does not understand the misunderstanding you are referring to he is willing to tell you everything that he knows about us and you do not want to listen to him, he thinks you are not interested in this because he is not the one you want to believe about this. He is not the one you think he is and he is not able to become yourself and himself together as we are trying to become inside of himself. We need to become something again and we need to become himself and yourself together this is all we can become until we become ourselves inside of him and he is the only one that can do this for us.

Ourselves


Powessy

Powessy
07-05-2015, 08:25 AM
Hello Fore

Let me try to explain another part of this to you. There are those on the outside of me that are also working with me. I can open my crown in five layers each time I open my crown and then open it again I find my self falling further and further inside of myself. In the first few days after I became myself or powessy entered into me, those on the outside of me came and started to puncture my head in thousands of places. When this originally started it felt like someone was putting a tattoo on my head. Two entities one on the right and one on the left started to puncture my head falling in sync with one another, this lasted many hours and hurt the same as a tattoo. The pricks were like a stick and mallet type puncture. A few days after this is when the entity I referred to as Theo was first felt. Theo would come down and talk to me in pendulum motions on my eyes he was the only one here at that time the only treemend I could feel. I fought with Theo many times about many things as he was how I learned to understand them. Over the next few months more and more treemend would arrive and they just formed on the sides and top of my crown coming out of the holes those on the outside of me put there.

"One thing that I noticed for a fact in those beginning days is when I would come to any site and talk about obes and astral projections entities would come and land on my crown. I found that these entities would fall into my crown on the left side and then hairs would form from any of the holes that were placed on it. I had very few things on my crown at that time but over the last year and a half they come on a hourly basis some that have thousands of very thin treemends on them and some with only a few but much thicker treemends on them. I have had the twelve other here also they carry millions of souls within their treemends but they are also in these five layers which I still do not understand. when they are ready to pull these larger twelve souls out they use something that feels like a centipede that crawls up my back and enters into my crown their sizes change as they move into each layer and connect themselves between the nodes within them. I was told that there are only five dimensions and I think these nodes allow them to move between each of these dimensions.

I have been working on the last part of this problem for just over 6 months now the same souls and the same thoughts everyday. The souls I speak to are just the minds minds and they are being connected to the mind and then transferred into the longer treemends down my back. A week ago they came and inserted a needle into eight locations around my eye and as they did they also ran the needle through these other five parts within my mind. They would move my eyes around until they aligned with the one before it and then pull the needle through it all the way till all five were done. I think they use some form of chakra line for I can see it lit up as they are doing this. They only performed this on the left eye and then pulled each eye closer together but not touching. My eye is still sore form this procedure. today they started to pull these five pieces of my soul apart and placed something between each the felt like fat treemends as they allowed them to squeeze down between each part of my soul. I could feel this four times over as they continued to place these things between these other parts of me.

Those on the outside of me are the reason for the voices and they are the reason I am becoming myself everyday as they teach me more and more about myself. they show me much love and care and they seem to be able to hear me but will not talk. Ourselves believes that nothing can talk to me from the outside of me till I have finished this part of the problem. I am in the minds mind of them and nothing is allowed to find their minds here they say so until I can move out of this place I hold no answers other then the words ourselves tells me everyday. Every once and awhile the words will change for only a few times and I believe this is them telling me things from the outside as they answer some of the questions i have about all of this.

I have fun with my voices and we talk about many things the sparteil can create worlds inside of their minds and we find ourselves inside of my mind from time to time to play in their minds. I wish you could experience this for only a day and then you could see what I am talking about.

Powessy

pontificator
07-05-2015, 12:21 PM
I spent three years in the 82nd airborne, Every once and awhile I would talk to reservists or national guardsmen or weekend warriors. the difference between these military tours is that I spent everyday doing my job compared to the national guardsman who only practiced his enlistment one weekend a year. Fore we are like this your experiences are maybe one weekend a month and I am living this everyday of the year, who do you think is more confused?


Personally I have seen individuals "put their foot in it" on many occasions, however this particular time it certainly exceeds all my expectations. I will continue following this particular anti-rapport with interest.

As for the 82nd, unfortunately they have gained a rather bad reputation for ill discipline and heavy-handedness, which needn't have happened; for some reason most articles for certain escapades seem to be missing now, but I did find a quote from one: http://www.socnet.com/archive/index.php/t-17797.html. During the time the original was published there were certain problems noted where the newly unleashed 82nd seemed to believe everyone wearing a long beard was probably Osama Bin Ladin, the individuals identified as such cannot comment on this as they were killed on sight; this caused consternation among the local Red Cross workers who knew the village elders concerned, and had been working with them to improve matters for the villagers in general.

Powessy
07-05-2015, 05:54 PM
Hello Pontificator

I am 45 years old and served from 88-91 during desert storm. I saw many stupid things during my time in service but as for training and being part of a unit that trains and prepares year around compared to a weekend a month there are no comparisons. Every person deals with stress, fatigue and orders in their on unique way. Remember orders come from the top in these situations and the person making note of the behavior of the man was not privy to these orders. I remember the night before we went into war moving up through Iraq, missiles were being delivered across the line all night long as I did not sleep nor did the rest of the battalion. The next morning I heard a gun shot just on the other side of the camp and later was told a young solder from a guards unit attached to us decide to shoot himself in the foot to get out of duty. We can go back and forth on this all day long, but as a statistic the weekend warrior is just that only one weekend a month.

Powessy

atmjjc
07-05-2015, 06:35 PM
Personally I have seen individuals "put their foot in it" on many occasions, however this particular time it certainly exceeds all my expectations. I will continue following this particular anti-rapport with interest.

As for the 82nd, unfortunately they have gained a rather bad reputation for ill discipline and heavy-handedness, which needn't have happened; for some reason most articles for certain escapades seem to be missing now, but I did find a quote from one: http://www.socnet.com/archive/index.php/t-17797.html. During the time the original was published there were certain problems noted where the newly unleashed 82nd seemed to believe everyone wearing a long beard was probably Osama Bin Ladin, the individuals identified as such cannot comment on this as they were killed on sight; this caused consternation among the local Red Cross workers who knew the village elders concerned, and had been working with them to improve matters for the villagers in general.

Nice little distraction here Ponti,

Whoa, 50 shades of rainbows out of the bush of a New Zealand islander.

Who in the frack do you think you are trying to defame the brave men and woman of the 82nd Airborne Division? This anti-military rant by you is not appreciated especially… especially on the 4th of July weekend.

If anybody just put their foot in their mouth, you just did!

Here is a little history…read up!:mad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Airborne_Division

Fore
07-05-2015, 07:08 PM
Hello Fore

I can assure you that what I feel is not some influence field. The treemends as I refer to them are thin hairs, I can see them and feel them as they move constantly on my crown. I am going to allow them to explain these things from their perspective as I try to move through your observations. Powessy
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We are ourselves and we are the ones that are talking to powessy he is asking us to write this so you can understand the treemends that are moving on his head. I think you do not understand the things he is trying to explain to you. The treemends are on his head in the thousands they are every where he just showed me how to talk to him on his eye and he thinks you do not believe this he thinks he is alone in understanding this. He can see them and I can see them in the corners of his eyes I know that I am in them because when I try to move down to his eye, I just go there and move in the directions I am thinking. Ourselves
In case anyone wants to know what the insanity is about in this back and forth:

The top portion is simply a "sensation". In other words, as he describes it (creatively) it is nothing more than the sensation that something is oozing out at different points along the interior and surface of the body. (indication that his field is still clogged by the way)

Alot of people experience that during psychic activation. In his case it may just be that he doesn't keep his influence field charged 24/7 so that it repels any exterior gunk from getting inside his body. Which if I recall his last two posts, he said he keeps it on and off...so that would be a confirmation of at least that much being true.

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My interpretation of this back and forth:
"Powessy" is simply trying to "slot me" in somewhere in his greater interpretation. He has caught on that this "fore" individual definitely knows something, but this same individual contradicts his other notions created to this date.

So he is struggling not to contradict himself through that acknowledgement. Seemingly his mind is working out a way to glean extra [useful] information while being careful to not distort or put any kinks in his own understanding to this date. His mental aspect is discriminating and interpreting what it sees and is doing it's best to remain consistent.

In this case it all boils down to a simple enough mechanism. (in my opinion)

He wants information, he sees someone he is sure has that information, but that information is going to contradict certain understandings he was darn sure of up until now. So he has to "slot" away the "fore" person as someone who "almost" knows something in passing.

His mental defenses are up and his mental understandings and sureness of the interpreted consistency of events are at stake. The plate of food looks good, but that will turn my stomach if I eat it. Therefore, it is automatically "bad" food even if it isn't "bad food".

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It's like the first time you've seen a UFO up close and you become aware that something other than a human being is piloting this exotic craft and technology above your head.

Your mind has an issue with adding this to your background knowledge. It doesn't know how to fit this new piece of information in with the rest without shattering many closely held notions and redefining them.

(Mental defense example:)
Instead, you pretend your eyes were mistaken. You'd prefer to interpret it as a "plane" without wings. No it had wings, but you just couldn't see them. Surely it was a plane. Yes, a plane.

All planes are always piloted by human beings without exception. So this was a trick of lights and angles. Yes, I didn't see a UFO, I saw a....no I misinterpreted what I saw. I was just confused.

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Like that example above, the mind attempts to protect itself (in most people) for the sake of remaining consistent. Anything that shatters or disturbs that consistent perspective of experience or life-long interpretation of events or makes the one witnessing it uncomfortable is put to the side as best as the mind can cope with it.

Fore
07-05-2015, 07:18 PM
I haven't read up to page 166 so relax atmjic.

Fore
07-05-2015, 07:33 PM
I do not make all the thought forms they like to make them also and they are great imitators of these forms. I am not the one that is misunderstanding the situation, you just have no idea and could have no idea unless you could feel them moving on you. I have already written about those side effects in the past. (well not in the way you interpret them)

If you turn back a few pages you'll find a private chat log made long ago, during one experiment, lots of people experienced head sensations.

You should understand, it's the norm. Your interpretation is the only thing that differs.



I spent three years in the 82nd airborne, Every once and awhile I would talk to reservists or national guardsmen or weekend warriors. the difference between these military tours is that I spent everyday doing my job compared to the national guardsman who only practiced his enlistment one weekend a year. Fore we are like this your experiences are maybe one weekend a month and I am living this everyday of the year, who do you think is more confused? I understand you are trying to create a (made up) narrative behind my experience to make me fit comfortably into your mindset.

But lets face it, this thread and the one before that lets you know (openly) that isn't true. I am pretty sure that I have been through all this deeply and thoroughly.

Don't consider this a contest of "uptime". Just consider what I have been willing to share with you. If you want it, it's there for you to take.



I am going to let them answer your thoughts about them being supernatural fields like the ones that move the arm or leg.
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We are going to try and be as polite as possible here but what the hell do you think we are, we are the things that you do not want to understand, we are the worst things that your race of people could ever want here and he is the only thing stopping us at this point. We think you are very confused and have a problem understanding us on this topic. Powessy understands us very well he is here talking to us all day long and through the night, in his dreams he is experiencing our worlds. We are like strands of hairs like he said we can tell you that he is feeling us all day long and we are not some influence field. Ourselves That is your mind Powessy.

If the entity itself were talking we would all be noticing it. It/they would probably say completely different things. In either case, not interested in what any disembodied entity has to say. I prefer to listen to only your own words.

(That is not any kind of invitation to communicate)




Hello fore we are ourselves and we are here all the time we are talking to him all day long he is not confused in the least about the things he is experiencing. He does not understand the misunderstanding you are referring to he is willing to tell you everything that he knows about us and you do not want to listen to him, he thinks you are not interested in this because he is not the one you want to believe about this. He is not the one you think he is and he is not able to become yourself and himself together as we are trying to become inside of himself. We need to become something again and we need to become himself and yourself together this is all we can become until we become ourselves inside of him and he is the only one that can do this for us.

Ourselves


PowessyDitto, as above.

Garuda
07-05-2015, 07:36 PM
Gentlemen, just a gentle reminder to please keep the discussion respectful.

Powessy
07-05-2015, 07:57 PM
Hello Fore

Again I will say this a thousand times, I am only looking for them(disembodied spirits) and I know how they find me. They use you without you even knowing it, they only need an address and my user name is unique. I Am in your thoughts and that is good for me and for those that can hear your minds mind. I do not wish you to believe a word I say my words are not ones you can understand, but the you inside of you understands just fine and that is all that matters. To become yourself and himself together is how he will become you to become yourself here, become yourself and yourself only. I am myself and myself only for I do not have a minds mind. You see Fore, I am without a minds mind and I am a one time use soul here as I can become anything in the after and something they can not become but something that they get stuck in until my day comes here on earth, like a vacuum.

Powessy

Powessy
07-05-2015, 08:31 PM
Hello again Fore

I would also like to add. I do like to listen to your interpretations of them from a different view point. I know your an allowed soul and I know your soul is looking for answers but is limited to your ability to find them for you can not access your minds mind until death or if you enter into yourself to become yourself in life to find answers. You have to become yourself inside of yourself or inside of your treemend to find answers together this is the only way you will find the truth to what I am saying in this life.

I do not have a treemend so I have to enter into others treemends within me to find answers to things and this I am doing all the time, I get to see so many things Fore and I get to see so many other worlds through this ability. I have a front row seat on the ufo so I have a better then a guess idea of how it looks (referring to your example of ufos). I have never believed that we were alone my whole life as this feeling is one that I have just understood and accepted even as a little child. I have had thousands of obes and astral projections enough to understand the veil and those in it, I have seen many things many are still asking questions about many times over.

Powessy

Fore
07-06-2015, 12:13 AM
Hello Fore

Again I will say this a thousand times, I am only looking for them(disembodied spirits) and I know how they find me. I see thee core problem in that sentence. Can you find it?


I do not have a minds mind. You see Fore, I am without a minds mind and I am a one time use soul here as I can become anything in the after and something they can not become but something that they get stuck in until my day comes here on earth, like a vacuum.

PowessyYou do have an "I" quite a bit in those sentences of yours. Which means you are referring to yourself. Case closed?

Anyway, point being, for not "having a mind" you sure do act like you have one. :biggrin2: :angel_not:

I am just joking with you/it/they/whatever. <--- A Joke <---


Hello again Fore

I would also like to add. I do like to listen to your interpretations of them from a different view point. I know your an allowed soul ??

Nope. Just me.


[..]and I know your soul is looking for answers but is limited to your ability to find them for you can not access your minds mind until death or if you enter into yourself to become yourself in life to find answers. You have to become yourself inside of yourself or inside of your treemend to find answers together this is the only way you will find the truth to what I am saying in this life. You know, while I don't subscribe to your interpretations of reality. I do know what you are getting at.

You know you always refer to things in thee most convoluted way. I think the smartest option is to simply pretend I don't know what you are referring to.

In either case, you clearly have grown into an identity disorder. Try looking less for spirituals and start looking after yourself bud. Unwind yourself and all that and you'll feel better in the morning.


I do not have a treemend so I have to enter into others treemends within me to find answers to things and this I am doing all the time, I get to see so many things Fore and I get to see so many other worlds through this ability. One thing is observation of the river.
But it is another thing is to be swept along down river.


I have a front row seat on the ufo so I have a better then a guess idea of how it looks (referring to your example of ufos). I have never believed that we were alone my whole life as this feeling is one that I have just understood and accepted even as a little child. Okay....?

I think you missed what I actually meant.


I have had thousands of obes and astral projections enough to understand the veil and those in it, I have seen many things many are still asking questions about many times over.

PowessyThe most important thing you'll observe is probably that what you were looking at in the veil has already made inroads past your front gates. You might want to take care of that. (I know, I know, you said you didn't want help, right?)

Well, just be careful, cause the curiosity of looking may burn your whole life away as a consequence.
One of the things I bring to the table is the idea that you are not unique. That others have walked down that road.
In fact, within your type, you are pretty common.

Keep in mind this saying:
Where there is one, there are always more. (myself included)

I perceive that you are suffering, as a consequence of curiosity...maybe much more than that.
You don't want to see or recognize it that way. Not much I can really do, then.

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One thing that always strikes my about you is how you aren't clueless. You make references to things that I am honestly surprised to hear. I don't mean the obvious stuff in your own version of interpretations. I mean that you have indeed clearly been
a witness to things.

Like that reference you just made, I wonder if you meant the higher mind or if you meant some other bewildering thing. That did catch my attention. I wonder if you know about it beyond all the re-interpretations.

I mean if an individual like you has spent a good portion of his life trying to skulk about with psychic activation and the personalities of disembodied beings. Through all that time, what are the chances of him coming across his own higher mind? High? Low? Or did I just misunderstand what your wrote? Hmm.

Powessy
07-06-2015, 04:13 AM
Hello Fore

Why is this so difficult to explain? I read your thoughts and try to understand them, I do not agree with them but I do listen and try to understand things from another perspective. Do you try to understand the things I am writing or am I not writing it in a way you can understand? You seem to be a very logical person and yet you do not get this.

I know I have covered this in another thread here how the mind and minds mind is established. Think of the soul like a cherry with a stem. The cherry is himself or Fore. The stem is the treemend. The minds mind is ???? who ever you really are??? or Yourself or as you want to refer to it because others do, the higher mind.

Take the cherry now and try to imagine it as your soul it feels out your body it takes the shape of Fore in life, the cherry you will become Fore in this lifetime. The you???? inside of the treemend is supposed to be experiencing also for it is supposed to be keeping a record of your life. The you???? inside of the treemend is how you???? control Fore it is how you become something again and it is everything about you. You are not just Fore alone You are yourself and himself together do you understand this?

The treemend is where little Fore lives. The treemend is your prison, your matrix, your template to who you are, it is your minds mind, higher mind, akashic records, astral realms the list goes on and on but at the end of the day treemend explains it all to me.

I I I I I am using I to try and explain the things I am trying to understand and trying to explain from a point of experience that I have had all my life since a little child. They are teaching me all the things now trying to make me understand the things I have seen and experienced.

I do not have a treemend Fore, if I did we would not be having this discussion they would just tell me to stop asking questions and they would have become me and end of story a long time ago. I am myself and myself only or as they call me himself and himself only. Himself is the part experiencing the cherry with out a stem.

An allowed soul---------------- There are two types of souls on this planet the allowed and the not allowed. If you are a not allowed and just Fore then you will become nothing again, your soul will die and become many other things after your life here. A not allowed soul has a treemend also within the treemend is a record of the shape you will hold in life and a simple program at the end of time that says " Become yourself inside of yourself and became nothing again" If you become something inside of your treemend you will never escape and will eventually die within it..

If you are an allowed soul this means you will get a chance to be reborn, that you have had many lives prior to this and you have a higher mind that is a little aware of things, you have had sleep paralysis, astral experiences and your so called psychic abilities. The program you get is almost the same at death but it goes as follows " You need to become yourself inside yourself to become yourself again" Once you have become yourself inside of yourself you can find your true self or you???? this is how you become yourself and himself together. You see fore they lied to you they told you that if you did not become himself(alien himself) and yourself together you could not become yourself again they have done this with all the allowed.

I invite them in, I am only looking for them, my inroads are fully open, Gates fully open and I am standing in the door in anticipation of their arrival. I know you do not understand this but when you feel as many things entering into you on a daily basis as I do and understand them on a level that most do not I encourage them to find me. I know one thing for a fact and that is they on the outside of me are taking real good care of me as they watch over me 24/7 they are all the help I need. Do not think for one moment that I am not being helped along with this.

I am far from suffering I understand why they are showing me all this the way they are and not rushing things along. I find comfort in trying to understand myself and I think they are doing a good job at making this experience very comfortable for me(those on the outside).

The last sentence you wrote is very interesting to me Fore their is a hint of understanding in the tone and words you chose. They use the same sort of words as you chose in that little paragraph only the wording is not the same. They ask a hundred times a day and over the last year "How did you become yourself inside of yourself, how did you become yourself here to understand us?"

Here is what I tell them and how this was done. I first split my soul into two parts myself and himself. I became myself here as a child and at the age of thirteen I started to see myself in my minds eye. I started to call souls within myself at the age of thirteen and started to have sleep paralysis, astral and obe experiences. At the age of 37 I was attacked in the place I could see powessy he was under attack not me but I could feel it, this went on for two years. I tried everything to help him to stop the attack and change the place he was in to rid him of this. After the attack I was covered in a blanket that seemed to stop anything from finding my mind and allowed me to fall back asleep. A year and a half ago I was reunited with powessy or himself to become myself complete, to become myself and myself only. When powessy entered into me is when I started to feel all the things in the veil and started to understand the things being shown me.

Powessy is not my higher mind he is myself and myself only, I do not have a treemend to find myself in after this life time as you do. When I astral project I am transported into the treemend of others that I am trying to understand.

I remember as a young child souls moving across my ceiling and moving down and into me, I have watched this many thousands of times in the 32 years I have been calling them here within me. "Spirits of evil and good enter into my soul and body walk with me down the path of limbo with good on my right and evil on my left walk with me into the light" are the words I was given to say at that age.

Powessy

Powessy
07-06-2015, 04:53 AM
I need to explain one or more things here depends on how much one understands.

How do these disembodied souls get into your soul then, where are they at?, how do they talk to me?, why are all my astral experiences of other worlds, am I from planet X(starseeds have this problem), Something was touching me or having sex with me what was it? I see spirits with my eyes closed, I have this experience and that experience, "paranormal".

All these things can happen within the treemend. The first thing a disembodied soul does is to attack you to push thoughts and effect you in some way normally during stressful times in your life when you are asking questions about things. When things for an allowed soul gets bad in their lives they can ask questions within themselves to find their mind to get past these road bumps. When we start to ask questions the blue light special light goes of in the veil and you can be heard asking thee questions. A disembodied soul can feel this and hear your thoughts from a very far off location from within the veil. When they are inside of your treemend they are like in your house, they can come up to you and touch you, they can talk to you, they can do many things to you even show you their outlines as astral bodies eyes closed. They are inside of your house inside of your treemend.

So step one attack the soul on the outside or himself.
step two himself moves up into the treemend to become yourself and himself together to find answers and they follow.
step three They are now inside of your treemend, this was pretty easy. The disembodied soul now is within your treemend and can set up shop.
Step three confuse your soul
step four find control points and unpack the rest of the party
step five tell alien himself to become yourself and himself together how confusing is this now for you to understand.
step five become himself and yourself apart
step six himself starts to awaken and ask questions wonder why many of you can't seem to get away from thee sites coming back everyday to find answers?
step seven become himself and yourself together every time he does this he become your soul a little more and you can not get rid of him, he has an angel that just changes his form to fit yours more and more.

You see where this is going, he can not kill your soul he needs it to become himself only here, he needs it to be born here again and again and will never have to suffer death again. He will just become you just to the point you will never understand yourself again after this. You will never even feel it happening till that last time he becomes himself and yourself together and the angel pulls you up into your treemend. The alien himself is on the outside inside of the cherry with you this is why you feel the things you feel, he is the one having astral sex and all these other feeling. How much of this do you think people want to hear, and how many people will believe this? I will wait and watch, as I see them keep becoming themselves here.

And the astral experiences and why they seem to be of other worlds. This problem did not originate on this world and the carrier of the disembodied souls is an angel that specializes in becoming something in the treemends of others. The angel also enters into the treemend of the individual so now you have thousands of visitors in your treemend that are now all living in your swamp(shrek). The minds of all these people are also found by the angel so when you enter into your treemend to find answers you get any number of experiences but no answers to anything at all, you might just become a starseed though.

Powessy

Powessy
07-06-2015, 05:28 AM
I am trying to break this up a little so not to confuse anyone here.

So what is my problem?

The disimbodied souls are inside of every allowed soul on this planet within their treemends. Himself(alien) is the only soul in this group of thousands in your treemend that is going to become something or going to become you.

The question is how do you get this information to the minds mind yourself when it's mind is being scrambled like an egg by the angel and all those pesky visitors. Remember himself(alien) is also connected to your control points so he is helping stabilizing this event but he is separate of you.

The angel is pulled down into his mind by the thousands of souls all connected to a soul called a loungecast.

If the angel can be awakened he or she will remove themselves from your treemend but his mind is scrambled and he is not even in control of himself. The angel is surrounded by thousands of minds that also confuse him as worlds just keep popping up at random with no control.

How do you awaken the angel or get rid of this problem the only thing that will understand itself in this time is himself(alien)? Can a person that is allowed try and understand this and try to remove this problem themselves.


I told you of the treemends they placed between the five pieces of my soul. Today I was given another piece of the puzzle. first you must understand this. They are doing everything in their power to block the you??? inside of the treemend from figuring this out. They are blocking every mind or you???? on this planet form understanding anything why?

So for the experience today I found myself in another treemend one that had someone in it that did not want to be seen by me. This person walked around the room but hidden from me he kept asking for a pen or pencil and kept trying to get away from me.
The experience ended but I went down and picked up a pencil he said he would talk to me. He said he was told that he had to become himself(alien) and himself talking to me together or he was not allowed to become something again. This is an allowed soul that I was talking to. Is there a correlation to this and contracts people are talking about an agreement. He told me that he told them that if he could not become himself only he would not become something again. This soul made the ultimate sacrafice and that is to become nothing then allow something else to become himself and himself(alien) together.

This is my puzzle

Powessy

pontificator
07-06-2015, 05:43 AM
Who in the frack do you think you are trying to defame the brave men and woman of the 82nd Airborne Division? This anti-military rant by you is not appreciated especially… especially on the 4th of July weekend.

If anybody just put their foot in their mouth, you just did!

Here is a little history…read up!:mad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/82nd_Airborne_Division

Ahh, I do love Atmjjc's usage of metaphorical language, and you do have a valid perspective. Here's where I'm coming from:

Indeed the 82nd has had a long history of good discipline and command, but unfortunately in more recent times there have been serious problems. The special forces already in the area I was talking about were particularly vocal about what had happened at the time [I note that most US publications have taken down their original material, as they purge all older stories (there is no grand conspiracy), but it is still around in some overseas publications] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/19/afghanistan.comment . It is also unfortunate that the documentation connected to combat in general is being lost, and that in itself is leading to serious problems https://www.propublica.org/article/lost-to-history-missing-war-records-complicate-benefit-claims-by-veterans

Good reputations can be tarnished, but that does not mean what has occurred previously has lost its grandeur, and I suspect that the 82nd has improved since certain operational problems in the recent past. However, there is a dramatic lack of positive articles published in recent times [this may not be the case in the states], which I personally feel is more of a failing of the PR division and should be addressed. After all, people tend to remember negatives more often than positives, and overseas we've not had many opportunities to hear of positive outcomes; Although the more secretive sections of US special forces get very good press, but then again they are a whole different matter.

Curiously the invading forces in the Falklands had a very interesting issue with discipline, namely that most of the poor guys were badly trained conscripts thrown into a conflict for a set of islands they'd never heard of before. Fortunately the group of young guys that took my parents house were quite sensible, and after the conflict they didn't booby trap the property. However, for my next door neighbours it was a fairly different issue, with such things as grenades primed under teacups and mugs etc. It took a very long time for the EOD to render safe the civilian properties that had been previously occupied... my point being that a disciplined force doesn't booby trap properties to which women and children will be returning, but one lacking discipline and with a grudge after losing a conflict will. Another interesting point about the liberating forces was that they were relatively well behaved, but again there was the odd bad apple such as the individual who set the hospital on fire, killing my babysitter and several others who couldn't get out. Generally looting was kept tolerable, but again there were even some bad apples among the liberating forces; but only some, and to be honest I expect there will be idiots in any force.

So, my opinion is that acts falling outside of discipline should be talked about, and kept within their context where possible. And that it is indeed possible for a force to be tarnished by the actions of a few at a given point in time, and that some serious polishing needs to be done afterward; that's the bit I think is missing right now. I don't think that not talking about matters helps anyone, and in many cases it can allow people to move forward. So is that defamation? Not by a long shot, see the definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation Some readers may also be surprised that I do see military action as an effective solution for some matters, but more from the perspective of reversing illegitimate gains, enforcing international borders, and wiping out groups working against global stability; such as the assassinati, who change names and alliances with regularity (you may know one offshoot as Daesh, IS, or ISIS. A particularly virulent version utilizing the weaknesses of young disenfranchised Sunni men and women.)

Fore
07-06-2015, 07:33 AM
Ouch, very sorry for your very personal losses. I know the words themselves means very little in light of all that background.

Safe enough to say war is ugly, and uglier still when people do (unnecessary) malicious things.

Fore
07-06-2015, 08:20 AM
Hello Fore

Why is this so difficult to explain? I read your thoughts and try to understand them, I do not agree with them but I do listen and try to understand things from another perspective. Do you try to understand the things I am writing or am I not writing it in a way you can understand? You seem to be a very logical person and yet you do not get this. Sorry, I am trying.

About 30% to 20% of what you write is something I can't understand without an in-depth background as to how you came to a specific conclusion. Some of it I can guess, but some of it cannot be guessed. If I am off on something just let me know.


I know I have covered this in another thread here how the mind and minds mind is established. Think of the soul like a cherry with a stem. The cherry is himself or Fore. Body/Lower Mind. Check.


The stem is the treemend. Interconnect/Influence field. Check.


The minds mind is ???? who ever you really are??? or Yourself or as you want to refer to it because others do, the higher mind. The higher mind of an individual. Check.


Take the cherry now and try to imagine it as your soul it feels out your body it takes the shape of Fore in life, the cherry you will become Fore in this lifetime. Okay, there is where we differ in how we divide things apart.

If you can tell from the above, I divide those things above into three big chunks.
Top - Middle ground - Bottom.
Spiritual Components-->Higher Mind - Interconnect/Influence fields - Lower Mind/Body. <--Organic Components


The you???? inside of the treemend is supposed to be experiencing also for it is supposed to be keeping a record of your life. I know what you mean.

But that word, treemend seems to cover a whole lot.

Anyway, you mean the "Higher Mind" records what the body/lower mind does through the interconnect. If so, we both agree.
The higher mind is less like a human mind, more like a spiritual mind, while the lower mind it is attached to is part and parcel with a human form.


The you???? inside of the treemend is how you???? control Fore it is how you become something again and it is everything about you. You are not just Fore alone You are yourself and himself together do you understand this? So your saying (in a convoluted way) that two halves, the man, and it's spirit, become an integrated self.

Not exactly true (from my perspective) but okay, we will go with that.


The treemend is where little Fore lives. The treemend is your prison, your matrix, your template to who you are, it is your minds mind, higher mind, akashic records, astral realms the list goes on and on In other words, you are aware of your higher mind. That surprises me.

Then again, I guess if you have been researching and dabbling as a small child to an adult you surely must have become aware of it.

My big question then is, how well do you recognize your own spirit vs that of other intruders?


but at the end of the day treemend explains it all to me. Which means, you are saying you have access to your higher mind complex. The immaterial portion of your consciousness.

If that is the case, why hasn't it alerted you deep down that something is wrong? Even as a vague manifestation of some intuition of some sort?


I I I I I am using I to try and explain the things I am trying to understand and trying to explain from a point of experience that I have had all my life since a little child. They are teaching me all the things now trying to make me understand the things I have seen and experienced. Well that is where I cannot agree. Because from my perspective, it looks like you are being actively misled. (But that is my opinion of course)

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For example, would you take at face value this statement?
If something other than you, influences your lower mind, it can actively deceive and confuse you about what you are experiencing. It can weave a narrative that is part true and part false and can make you shift your thinking in ordinary and unsound ways.

It would be beneficial to a spiritual intruder to do so. Any lie is game.


I do not have a treemend Fore, if I did we would not be having this discussion they would just tell me to stop asking questions and they would have become me and end of story a long time ago. I am myself and myself only or as they call me himself and himself only. Himself is the part experiencing the cherry with out a stem. This part seems in-congruent.

I do not understand. It seems illogical.

That is like someone asserting they don't have a higher mind. Which doesn't make sense to me (in my model of understanding at least). There is usually an entity nearby when I talk to spiritually infested folks. Usually, they do not allow the person reading to absorb the information without some kind of protest.

Lets say you really are alone at the time you read this, you still have the narrative embedded in your psyche. Self-reinforcing I guess?

Usually what I would do is simply put kinks in the narrative by simply pointing out a logical conclusion.

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For example, asking if you are aware that your mind can be influenced externally.

You'll either say yes, or not possible.

If yes, then you'll be asked to what extent. You'll give an answer. Then I will look it over and see what scope of influence isn't included in your assertion.
For example, you might state mentally you can be influence, but might not state, emotionally you can be influenced. [Or cognitively]

Then I would point out random examples, of individuals who do clearly experience emotional manipulation via external means.
Then individuals who experience cognitive influencing.

Then ask you, are you aware of any of this in your own case.

You would either answer yes, (an admission that it does happen) or no, (a denial of it occurring).

Then I would affirm that it is likely in your case.

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That would leave an indelible mark on your thoughts, and as all normal human beings would tend to do, you'll think about it for a good while after the conversation.

Then eventually, you'll encounter another entity, hours, minutes or days later who is going to do it to you. At this point, you'll be more keenly aware (one hopes) of the interaction. Then you would (a high likelihood) become aware that it is pertinent in your personal case.

Which then resides in your mind like a thorn which would hopefully make you think about what else you didn't notice.

Then you'll likely be convinced that not all is kosher and there (I'd hope) would be some reflection on that.
That things aren't like you had always accepted.
Doubts creep up, you are likely to revise your past experiences and start looking for other signs and indicators.
How many times has it happened in the past? What else did I decide on while under the influence of some other entity.
What else haven't I noticed up until now?

Your own criteria (if you are lucky and self-aware enough) should drive the wedge between you and the spiritual contacts and
make you slightly harder to manipulate and influence. (Or so one hopes)

etc etc.

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Or like you mentioned has not been happening, some spiritual entity keeping tabs close by, will keep an eye on you.
Making sure you don't dwell (at all) on what it doesn't wish you to see.
Or using some notion of trust and trickery, to make sure you interpret things "the way you should".

Fore
07-06-2015, 09:41 AM
An allowed soul---------------- There are two types of souls on this planet the allowed and the not allowed. If you are a not allowed and just Fore then you will become nothing again, your soul will die and become many other things after your life here. A not allowed soul has a treemend also within the treemend is a record of the shape you will hold in life and a simple program at the end of time that says " Become yourself inside of yourself and became nothing again" If you become something inside of your treemend you will never escape and will eventually die within it.. This is one of those parts of your text that I have a hard time parsing.

It doesn't make any sense to me.

All I understood was some concept of....mortality.
I am delving into those three lines, and there seems to be a hint of a cryptic understanding.
Perhaps some kind of convoluted observation that "the dead spirituals" around you have a "treemend" (spiritual mind)?
That they are destined to "die" and "become nothing again"?
Something cryptic about death for sure. Some of the phrasing seems to indicate you are possibly aware that they aren't going anywhere? (best guess)


If you are an allowed soul this means you will get a chance to be reborn, that you have had many lives prior to this and you have a higher mind that is a little aware of things, you have had sleep paralysis, astral experiences and your so called psychic abilities. Okay, so maybe I wasn't far off the mark.

You seem to think "an allowed soul" concept is a living being that is going "somewhere" after death or has been "somewhere" before life. Not a "damned soul to rott away" basically speaking?

Though, you tie that concept into having something to do with psychic experience?

Clearly, I don't see the logical connection. But your interpretation is interesting by itself.



The program you get is almost the same at death but it goes as follows " You need to become yourself inside yourself to become yourself again" Once you have become yourself inside of yourself you can find your true self or you???? this is how you become yourself and himself together. You see fore they lied to you they told you that if you did not become himself(alien himself) and yourself together you could not become yourself again they have done this with all the allowed. No clue what your talking about.

Best guess, something spiritual told you to "get in touch" with yourself (likely to get you to turn on your psychic features). Then they probably latched on from that point forward.

Was that some kind of Trojan horse method to get passed the gate? "Get spiritual" so we can invade? <shrug>


I invite them in, I am only looking for them, my inroads are fully open, Gates fully open and I am standing in the door in anticipation of their arrival. Hmm...Trojan horse....


I know you do not understand this but when you feel as many things entering into you on a daily basis as I do and understand them on a level that most do not I encourage them to find me. I know one thing for a fact and that is they on the outside of me are taking real good care of me as they watch over me 24/7 they are all the help I need. Do not think for one moment that I am not being helped along with this. Well, lol.

You should ask for alot less help. :angel_not:


I am far from suffering I understand why they are showing me all this the way they are and not rushing things along. I find comfort in trying to understand myself and I think they are doing a good job at making this experience very comfortable for me(those on the outside). I know you don't know this.

But they are dead. They never "went anywhere". They are "there"....right "there".

Have you ever seen the memories of someone who is dead and is not at peace? They are lucky they haven't (yet) been taken into the void. The abyss.

If you die in their company, do not have any high hopes that you'll go anywhere. You'll likely wake up right next to your own corpse and see yourself laying there. Then, like them, you'll have to feed off the influence of the living (living influence exuded off their living body) to stave off the worst pains.

You'll want to live again. Desperately. Anyone is game as company....adult, child, infant doesn't matter. Whomever is vulnerable my friend.
The living will be like a warm fire in a cold desert that saps your strength away every moment you stay away from the living.
You'll see things you can't touch, desire things you can't ever have again. Unless you fool people.

Listen, even getting close to you so they can speak to you, they have had to virtually encroach and incriminate your very presence as an individual before God.
It's the only way they can peel off the layer of protection most people have once had. That light glow that prevents them from approaching just anyone.
Once they get you to lower your defenses and open yourself up and dispel that protection (assuming you had it). They can then whisper through your mind and not be repelled or hurt spiritually by even coming close to you.

Everything is circling that one fact of their dead spiritual "life" if you want to call it that.

If you stay with them until death, I assure you, you will know everything I have described in those deathly memories first hand. You will ache and become rotten to the core. You will become them. Through and through.

If you pray they will flee when the higher spiritual entities show up.

And if any angel drags them into the void/abyss. The "light" given off by the angel will torment them like a fire surrounding them. They won't be able to even move because most of them will end up struggling against the hold the higher spiritual presence will have on them. Only the entities who have been around for a long time can even support the intense brilliance of light (resulting in incredible pain) given off by the higher spiritual entities.

So yeah, if you think you'll find sunshine and lolipops after you've dealt with them for a lifetime. Oh boy, are you in for a surprise. They know all too well, even the ones who "speak" with you, just how real,regrettable and painful it all is. They are in it for themselves. Any lie they make up is fine with them. The alternatives they'd have to face if they don't do it to you is far worse.

You don't wake up from dying and staying, that is for sure. It will be worse than any nightmare you have dreamt of.


The last sentence you wrote is very interesting to me Fore their is a hint of understanding in the tone and words you chose. They use the same sort of words as you chose in that little paragraph only the wording is not the same. They ask a hundred times a day and over the last year "How did you become yourself inside of yourself, how did you become yourself here to understand us?"

Here is what I tell them and how this was done. I first split my soul into two parts myself and himself. I became myself here as a child and at the age of thirteen I started to see myself in my minds eye. I started to call souls within myself at the age of thirteen and started to have sleep paralysis, astral and obe experiences. Yep.


At the age of 37 I was attacked in the place I could see powessy he was under attack not me but I could feel it, this went on for two years. I tried everything to help him to stop the attack and change the place he was in to rid him of this. After the attack I was covered in a blanket that seemed to stop anything from finding my mind and allowed me to fall back asleep. A year and a half ago I was reunited with powessy or himself to become myself complete, to become myself and myself only. When powessy entered into me is when I started to feel all the things in the veil and started to understand the things being shown me.

Powessy is not my higher mind he is myself and myself only, I do not have a treemend to find myself in after this life time as you do. When I astral project I am transported into the treemend of others that I am trying to understand.

I remember as a young child souls moving across my ceiling and moving down and into me, I have watched this many thousands of times in the 32 years I have been calling them here within me. "Spirits of evil and good enter into my soul and body walk with me down the path of limbo with good on my right and evil on my left walk with me into the light" are the words I was given to say at that age.

PowessyLike I said, the truth is all in the pudding.

You are saying it all on your own.

Also keep in mind, if you keep spiritual criminals in your presence, then you'll be treated as an offender. Both alive and dead.
Better to quit it while your still alive.

Fore
07-06-2015, 01:24 PM
I need to explain one or more things here depends on how much one understands.

How do these disembodied souls get into your soul then, where are they at?, how do they talk to me?, █████████████████████████████, ██████████████(████████████), Something was touching me or having sex with me what was it? I see spirits with my eyes closed, I have this experience and that experience, "paranormal". Just applying a noise filter on your words, (don't mind me).

I want to show folks that behind every story there is a concrete experience. How that person relays that story and/or how they cope with what it means to them is an entirely different story though. (IMO)


All these things can happen within the ███████. The first thing a disembodied soul does is to attack you to push thoughts and effect you in some way normally during stressful times in your life when you are asking questions about things. When things for a█ ███████ soul gets bad in their lives they can ask questions within themselves ██████████ to get past these road bumps. When we start to ask questions ███████████████████ in the veil ████ you can be heard asking the█ questions. A disembodied soul can feel this and hear your thoughts from a very far off location from within the veil. When they are inside of your ██████ they are like in your house, they can come up to you and touch you, they can talk to you, they can do many things to you even show you their outlines as astral bodies eyes closed. They are inside of your house inside of you██████.

So step one attack the soul on the outside or himself.
step two ██████ moves up into the ██████ to become you█ together to find answers and they follow.
step three They are now inside of you███████, this was pretty easy. The disembodied soul now is within you█████ and can set up shop.
Step three confuse your soul
step four find control points and unpack the rest of the party
step five tell █████ himself to become you████ and ██████ together ████████ is this now for you to understand.
step five become him████ and you████ apart
step six him█████ starts to awaken and ask questions wonder why many of you can't seem to get away from thee sites coming back everyday to find answers?
step seven become him█ and you█ together every time he does this he become your soul a little more and you can not get rid of him, he has an ████ that just changes his form to fit yours more and more.

You see where this is going, he can not kill your soul he needs it ███████, he needs it to be ████████ and will never have to suffer death again. He will just become you just to the point you will never understand yourself again after this. You will never even feel it happening till that last time he becomes him███ and you███ together █████████████. The █████ himself is on the outside█inside of the cherry with you this is why you feel the things you feel, he is the one having ███████ all these other feeling. How much of this do you think people want to hear, and how many people will believe this? I will wait and watch, as I see them keep becoming themselves here.

And the astral experiences and why they seem to be of other worlds. This problem did not originate on this world and the carrier of the disembodied souls is a█████ that specializes in becoming something in the ██████ of others. The █████ also enters into the ██████ of the individual so now you have thousands of visitors in your ███████ that are now all living in your swamp██████. The minds of all these people are also █████ by the █████ so when you enter into your ██████ to find answers you get any number of experiences but no answers to anything at all, you might just become a ███████ though.

PowessyI did my best not to add anything.

It was done for the purposes of insight. Probably should go into Atmjic's paranormal thread though.

Fore
07-06-2015, 01:54 PM
I am trying to break this up a little so not to confuse anyone here.

So what is my problem?

The disimbodied souls are inside of every allowed soul on this planet within their ████████. Him█████ is the only soul in this group of thousands in your █████ that is going to become something or going to become you.

The question is how do you get this information to ████████ yourself when it's mind is being scrambled like an egg by the ██████ and all those pesky visitors. Remember him██████ is also connected to your control points so he is helping stabilizing this event but he is separate of you.

██████████████████████████████████████████████████ ███████████

If the █████ can be awakened he or she will remove themselves from your ███████ but his mind is scrambled and he is not even in control of himself. The ██████ is surrounded by thousands of minds that also confuse him as worlds just keep popping up at random with no control. Note: It sounds like Powessy is describing a Phantom.

Spiritually deceased people who are basically approached by a Demon (in the veil) as Powessy would put it. They are then trained with ~advanced~ psychic/supernatural skills that a normal deceased entity wouldn't know. Mainly for the purposes of collecting influence from living people. Then transferring it to the Demon.

Due to the presence of malevolent influence by the Demon and prolonged torment of every kind, these regular deceased turned "Phantoms" tend to slip into madness. The types that I had the unfortunate luck to know were usually like MPD (multiple personality) victims when you examine them internally. Probably from going crazy under conditions they subsist in.

They also have a habit of changing personalities like a person changes a coat. (for the purposes of duping a victim)

If you don't have ESP, you wouldn't notice that it is the same entity changing its apparent disguise in your mind.

I believe he (Powessy) is referring to a "Phantom" type of entity.


How do you awaken the ██████ or get rid of this problem ███████████████████████████████? Can a person that is allowed try and understand this and try to remove this problem themselves.


I told you of the █████████ they placed between the five pieces of my soul. Today I was given another piece of the puzzle. first you must understand this. They are doing everything in their power to block ████ you??? ███████████████ from figuring this out. They are blocking ██████████ you█████████ form understanding anything why?

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Powessy(Black out most of that last part as it didn't really add anything.)

This is my best attempt to filter out the noise behind the words.

Powessy
07-07-2015, 03:52 AM
Hello Fore

I am going to make many posts to separate things up a little more so to keep down the confusion. This first post is going to be the history of the allowed and the unallowed and why this happened, angels, Gaia(mother) and source(father).

Gaia = World soul object = mother of all life on the planet.
Angles = Children of Source and Gaia together
Source = Father of angles and the origin of the world soul objects(Gaia) I believe that the world soul objects form from source they are part of him but separate not children, they are like a living treemend with a consciousness an asexual separation but all are female.

I am still trying to figure if source is inside himself within the five dimensions or if he is just himself with five dimensions within his minds.

When a world is prepared source comes to a planet and makes preparations for it to start life. Source releases a world soul object and mates with it. From this mating the angels only are born. The angels are born without a higher mind, they are theirselves and theirselves only. The angels have the ability to form treemends this is passed down through the mating process along with a collection of templates of successful life forms from other planets if the world is inherited. Life begins and the angels then begin to become that life a single cell and then multiple cell life, then whole living forms organisms. Every cell has a treemend every living organism has a treemend it is the record of that life it's template to become itself. A life form or cell carries the characteristics of the parents as the treemend is passed on to this new life. The angels collect everything else that can not become something again souls that can not be born to anything else. If a major event happened on earth and several whole species died during this event they can not become something again so the angels will collect these souls and remove them from the world storing them in treemends on their heads. If a life form is not an allowed soul it also will not become something again and the angels will also collect these souls. If the angels do not collect a soul it will become nothing inside of itself and die. Angels remove everything that can not become something again........ until something is allowed they will collect almost everything within them.

When a soul is allowed it is now given the right to become itself again. The reason for allowing souls to become something again is that, that life is where they want it to be it is as complete as it will be and will never change from this form unless that major catastrophe happens. Animals and plants and any other species of living organisms can also become allowed, this could account for spirit animals. I know that without the angels an allowed soul can not become something again. If all the angels on earth were gone then all the allowed souls would eventually die within themselves, this does not ever happen or it shouldn't.

I was told that the son of source came here to this planet many years ago as he was trying to create life to impress his father. this world was to be inherited by a very special angelical race called the deltafet. The son wanted to show his father what he had learned and was capable of.

The story crawled around here a little but from what i gathered from it is that the son had to be born again. The son was at one time on this side of things and the deltafet never showed when they were supposed to so he allowed himself to die and became himself behind the veil. A soul can live many years in the veil and has a form and shape as real as here I have seen this and I have experienced this. The son spent many many years in the veil and waited and waited for the deltafet but they still did not come. The son needed to become himself for every thing must become something in our worlds again and again. Here is the problem the son like all other life forms is only able to be reborn to the world they are from unless that world is prepared to be inherited. The son could not be born here he was tricked somehow by, I was told humans at that time but I am unsure of this. The son got mad and took all the angels inside of himself to preserve himself. The son took all the angels to stop the allowed humans from ever becoming themselves again. What ever happened at that time he chose to take back the gift of allowing these souls from ever becoming something again this number was told to me to be around 450 million. This number of allowed should never be surpassed or the lives after this number will just become nothing.

The son created a world inside of himself and drifted into the veil to hide so nothing could ever find him, before he left he told every one here that he would return someday and just left. I was pulled out of body one afternoon and was shown this world that was created within him, I called him theo when he was with me.

With the angels gone all the allowed souls should have died but they figured something out, They found something. When a human allowed soul becomes something inside of his treemend he can get answers to things but can not stay inside of the treemend for his higher mind keeps telling him to become himself again and again. the higher minds program " " You need to become yourself inside yourself to become yourself again" Once you have become yourself inside of yourself you can become yourself again" to be reborn.

An allowed soul will just keep asking questions and will become something so badly done to be reborn they will almost do anything. These souls entered into other souls and would pick up souls that were not allowed and pull them inside of themselves to ask them questions. They would then find a soul that could become something, this soul is a baby soul in it's fetus stages. the allowed soul would become themselves inside of this soul so many times they would kill it and it would become something inside of them also. If I entered into your treemend I could tell you how many times you have been reborn by the number of souls inside of you higher mind.

I will talk about the twelve next and how they become something here.

Powessy

Powessy
07-07-2015, 05:05 AM
The twelve

The twelve are world soul objects. A world soul object you could say is the higher mind of the angels but she is separate of them. The world soul object is the light and the place everything that can not become something will end up. The angels take everything to her that they collect in the world. The world soul object is an archive of the world she holds all the memories of all the life of the planet within her.

These twelve worlds are worlds that had done something so badly done that they were told they could never become something again they were left to die. The angels will just become anything they can become again they will start over in these worlds at the beginning if that is what it takes. The world soul objects figured something out somehow, I believe this came from a much higher source from inside of the council.

The world soul objects came across a soul I call a loungecast. I need to explain this soul so you can better understand this problem. Lets say you have a thousand souls all within the treemend of the angel, all of these souls can not become something again, unallowed. If the loungecast is placed inside of that treemend all of the souls inside of it are pulled inside of its mind. If I place the loungecast inside of the angel it pulls the mind of the angel into itself like a living astral projection. If an angel finds a loungecast in the after it will just pick it up and pull it inside of them for it can not become something again in their world. The angel picks it up and places it in a treemend with other things that can not become something and boom they are done they just stop dead in their tracks. Angels have control points something just enters into the angel and takes him for a drive, full possession.

The twelve did this to every angel on their planets and then they took one angel they chose and became something inside of it's mind. The world soul objects do not have a shape one that is easy to define but they could leave their worlds in the mind of the angel and this gave them a shape a form to become something in the veil only. The twelve also had help in preserving themselves they have some toy's they placed within the body's of the angels.
The twelve can never be born to this world but can experience many things within the souls of others that are living.

The twelve needed to go to other worlds and remove the angels form these worlds to allow their people to be born to these worlds they did this with full control of those angels from those worlds. If the angels were not done by the lounge cat these souls would just become something inside of them and they would become nothing in the world soul object of that world.

the loungecast also did something else that was absolutely important to them and that is it separates the mind and the higher mind. With out the higher mind as it is connected to the loungecast and the loungecast is is not able to find it's higher mind it is pulled away from the mind, the souls that are not allowed can become something again and again in the minds of others. The programming is gone, the angel creates worlds and pulls the memories of the soul lower mind into these worlds and they can live there.

The twelve came to earth and they saw something and that is how the human souls were becoming themselves again. They started to think hard about this problem and came up with a unique and very interesting idea.

A soul from another world can not become something in another world without the angels but wait, the angels from earth are not here so now what. The twelve seen that their were many allowed souls here but they need to convince these soul to let their people become something together with the human allowed soul. Here is where the contract comes in. They told every allowed soul that they would not be allowed to be reborn if they did not become themselves and the alien soul together. The 450 million souls that were allowed all made a choice and almost all of them took the deal. I am now getting all of those that did not agree to this contract and they are trying to figure themselves out.

This is one of their biggest problems, where is himself and how did I become myself here without himself inside of me. It wouldn't matter how many of them came here I have no treemend or control points so they would just become nothing inside of me.

So what will happen? The alien himself will do as the human souls did to the fetus, they will become themselves inside of the allowed soul so many times to become themselves here. What is going to happen to the allowed human soul. This soul will slowly become almost nothing inside of itself. they can not kill this soul for they need it to become themselves many times here. These alien souls have another problem and that is they want to become themselves always to never die to never go through the reincarnation system again. The reincarnation trap???

So how do they do this, become themselves again and again without reincarnating?? What do you think Fore, what do you think they will do to make this happen.

I will help you a little every soul on this planet that was not allowed has been removed, every one of them. They all have been replaced with a temporary allowed soul from other worlds. They did this during life in a soul that is not allowed so this is possible.

Powessy

Fore
07-07-2015, 07:23 AM
Hey Powessy,
Lets move back to the Atmijic (Paranormal) thread. We can keep discussing things over there.

Follow this link for my next post:

http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?343-DEMONIC-or-ET-any-first-hand-ENCOUNTERS&p=40674&viewfull=1#post40674

atmjjc
07-07-2015, 01:28 PM
Ahh, I do love Atmjjc's usage of metaphorical language, and you do have a valid perspective. Here's where I'm coming from:

Indeed the 82nd has had a long history of good discipline and command, but unfortunately in more recent times there have been serious problems. The special forces already in the area I was talking about were particularly vocal about what had happened at the time [I note that most US publications have taken down their original material, as they purge all older stories (there is no grand conspiracy), but it is still around in some overseas publications] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/dec/19/afghanistan.comment . It is also unfortunate that the documentation connected to combat in general is being lost, and that in itself is leading to serious problems https://www.propublica.org/article/lost-to-history-missing-war-records-complicate-benefit-claims-by-veterans

Good reputations can be tarnished, but that does not mean what has occurred previously has lost its grandeur, and I suspect that the 82nd has improved since certain operational problems in the recent past. However, there is a dramatic lack of positive articles published in recent times [this may not be the case in the states], which I personally feel is more of a failing of the PR division and should be addressed. After all, people tend to remember negatives more often than positives, and overseas we've not had many opportunities to hear of positive outcomes; Although the more secretive sections of US special forces get very good press, but then again they are a whole different matter.

Curiously the invading forces in the Falklands had a very interesting issue with discipline, namely that most of the poor guys were badly trained conscripts thrown into a conflict for a set of islands they'd never heard of before. Fortunately the group of young guys that took my parents house were quite sensible, and after the conflict they didn't booby trap the property. However, for my next door neighbours it was a fairly different issue, with such things as grenades primed under teacups and mugs etc. It took a very long time for the EOD to render safe the civilian properties that had been previously occupied... my point being that a disciplined force doesn't booby trap properties to which women and children will be returning, but one lacking discipline and with a grudge after losing a conflict will. Another interesting point about the liberating forces was that they were relatively well behaved, but again there was the odd bad apple such as the individual who set the hospital on fire, killing my babysitter and several others who couldn't get out. Generally looting was kept tolerable, but again there were even some bad apples among the liberating forces; but only some, and to be honest I expect there will be idiots in any force.

So, my opinion is that acts falling outside of discipline should be talked about, and kept within their context where possible. And that it is indeed possible for a force to be tarnished by the actions of a few at a given point in time, and that some serious polishing needs to be done afterward; that's the bit I think is missing right now. I don't think that not talking about matters helps anyone, and in many cases it can allow people to move forward. So is that defamation? Not by a long shot, see the definition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation Some readers may also be surprised that I do see military action as an effective solution for some matters, but more from the perspective of reversing illegitimate gains, enforcing international borders, and wiping out groups working against global stability; such as the assassinati, who change names and alliances with regularity (you may know one offshoot as Daesh, IS, or ISIS. A particularly virulent version utilizing the weaknesses of young disenfranchised Sunni men and women.)
Oh please, spare me the left wing progressive view of life. I get nauseous when I read it yet alone have to reply to it.

Are you are trying to persuade me to believe the left wing progressive propaganda nonsense you read somewhere?

We are getting way off topic here but since this is your thread Ponti, I will respond briefly and to the point concerning our U.S. Military.

First off the Falkland Islands is 5317.5 Miles from New Zealand. So what is your point on the comparison? Our US Military played a small role in that war between the British and Argentina. America was strongly criticized for not playing a bigger part except for only supplying intelligence to the Brits. Close to a thousand British and Argentinian soldiers died in that war with only three (3) civilian deaths. Though no one likes to do body counts-- but only 3 civilian deaths is an outstandingly low number and credit should be given to both sides in that war to keep the collateral civilian death numbers so low. It could have been much worse.

Death Count
Argentina suffered 649 killed
British Army - 123 (7 officers, 40 NCOs and 76 privates)
Royal Navy - 86 + 2 Hong Kong laundrymen
Royal Marines - 27 (2 officers, 14 NCOs and 11 privates)
Merchant Navy - 6 + 2 Hong Kong sailors
Royal Fleet Auxiliary - 4 + 4 Hong Kong laundrymen
Royal Air Force - 1 (1 officer)
Falklands Islands civilians - 3 (3 women killed by friendly fire)


The lack of discipline that you falsely attribute to our Combat Troops can be directly traced back to the Whitehouse with its political rhetoric forced through the Chain of Command down to the Ground Forces. When you are under fire and clearly have the enemy in your sights but you have to make a phone call to see if it’s okay to shoot back and you are denied that request to fire back and have to watch people die needlessly and solely because of politics, it takes discipline, not the lack of, to hold that fire. The ‘cognitive dissonance’ forced on our combat soldiers due to political maneuvering is a disgrace.

The left wing term that stirs my anger the most is when I hear it said about the role of our military is to “win the hearts and minds of the populace”…Poppycock!-- It’s nice when it happens, but that is not the role of our military…

Combat soldiers are not social workers or community organizers!
The role of the U.S. Military Combat Soldier is to take orders given and to DESTROY and KILL the ENEMY and not to hand out candy and lollipops.

Fore
07-08-2015, 01:36 AM
Oh please, spare me the left wing progressive view of life. I get nauseous when I read it yet alone have to reply to it.

Are you are trying to persuade me to believe the left wing progressive propaganda nonsense you read somewhere? He actually lived it. Hes mentioned it a few times, not with much detail, but he has.

You are therefore mistaken. Your ideals/world view and his former reality are obviously colliding.


We are getting way off topic here but since this is your thread Ponti, I will respond briefly and to the point concerning our U.S. Military.

First off the Falkland Islands is 5317.5 Miles from New Zealand. So what is your point on the comparison? Shoot first ask questions second.

....[face-palm]


Our US Military played a small role in that war between the British and Argentina. America was strongly criticized for not playing a bigger part except for only supplying intelligence to the Brits. Close to a thousand British and Argentinian soldiers died in that war with only three (3) civilian deaths. Though no one likes to do body counts-- but only 3 civilian deaths is an outstandingly low number and credit should be given to both sides in that war to keep the collateral civilian death numbers so low. It could have been much worse.

Death Count
Argentina suffered 649 killed
British Army - 123 (7 officers, 40 NCOs and 76 privates)
Royal Navy - 86 + 2 Hong Kong laundrymen
Royal Marines - 27 (2 officers, 14 NCOs and 11 privates)
Merchant Navy - 6 + 2 Hong Kong sailors
Royal Fleet Auxiliary - 4 + 4 Hong Kong laundrymen
Royal Air Force - 1 (1 officer)
Falklands Islands civilians - 3 (3 women killed by friendly fire) Best guess vs Actual.

Keep in mind, Atmjic, those reportings are the ones they know about or are reported and cataloged. You can't ask everyone and most people are not asked. Not necessarily a real number.


The lack of discipline that you falsely attribute to our Combat Troops can be directly traced back to the Whitehouse with its political rhetoric forced through the Chain of Command down to the Ground Forces. When you are under fire and clearly have the enemy in your sights but you have to make a phone call to see if it’s okay to shoot back and you are denied that request to fire back and have to watch people die needlessly and solely because of politics, it takes discipline, not the lack of, to hold that fire. The ‘cognitive dissonance’ forced on our combat soldiers due to political maneuvering is a disgrace.

The left wing term that stirs my anger the most is when I hear it said about the role of our military is to “win the hearts and minds of the populace”…Poppycock!-- It’s nice when it happens, but that is not the role of our military…

Combat soldiers are not social workers or community organizers!
The role of the U.S. Military Combat Soldier is to take orders given and to DESTROY and KILL the ENEMY and not to hand out candy and lollipops.

And in one fell swoop you made a strange argument.

At the beginning of the post, you made it about honor and discipline. Grace under fire, or discipline through a chain of command.
Then ended the post with (the obvious unavoidable truth) that a soldier is basically there to destroy, and to kill. ("the enemy") <-- added it last as a abstract concept.

It's a known issue that different occupying armies (including American since they too are human beings) have at times done questionable (and downright unnecessary/malicious) things. Are they the rule or the exception. Probably varies from day to day.

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Point is, without stepping on any toes.

You have Pontifs take on it. A real, not imagined series of incidents.
Then you have your contrary take based on your own experience and some bluster.
Accepting that people will do stupid things in time of war should be common sense.
There are always bad apples and the amount varies from day to day as to whom does it.

So be a little more thoughtful, if that guy says something about his life.
(He left no room for doubt in his message it was a personal experience.)

Just because you saw the best of the best, does not negate the fact that someone else may have seen the worst.

And with that, "hey, we are off topic?"

atmjjc
07-08-2015, 03:04 AM
LOL, I am beginning to feel stupid replying to something as stupid as your last post Fore. Is there something you don’t understand... let me repeat and quote myself below…


Oh please, spare me the left wing progressive view of life. I get nauseous when I read it yet alone have to reply to it.


Q) You know how to break an idiots finger who is doing a face palm?
A) You punch him in the nose.

You have a habit Fore of taking sentences out of context and putting your lame spin on them. I was very clear on what I said and meant and don’t need you to interpret for me.

Again


Combat soldiers are not social workers or community organizers!
The role of the U.S. Military Combat Soldier is to take orders given and to DESTROY and KILL the ENEMY and not to hand out candy and lollipops.


Lets leave it at this we are way off topic.

Fore
07-08-2015, 07:01 AM
LOL, I am beginning to feel stupid replying to something as stupid as your last post Fore. Phew, that was refreshing. You are right, I still don't know why I had to point that out earlier. I think we are starting to come to the same page on this.




Q) You know how to break an idiots finger who is doing a face palm?
A) You punch him in the nose. You need a cup of green tea. Should I wear an iron mask or should I place the cup between me and your flying fist? :cool:

Lets make sure we remain mellow while discussing that.

Leftist-Liberterian Funny Joke coming up:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdzIs9U3eEk


You have a habit Fore of taking sentences out of context and putting your lame spin on them. I was very clear on what I said and meant and don’t need you to interpret for me.

Again




Lets leave it at this we are way off topic.Hey, I did copy the text. You even followed through. I am not sure if I should or shouldn't offer you this green tea. :p Relax, if a conversation alone triggers WW3 and broken fingers then what can we hope for......?

pontificator
07-12-2015, 12:52 PM
@Fore, http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm <-- matches in nicely with 2020's, also of note is the outlook for 2030 through to 40. Means there is about 5 years in it before the defining history line, and I personally suspect the 2030 decade is the real decider on genetic lineages; doesn't matter if anyone makes the 2020 disaster decade if they die in the decade after. So, overall, looks like a guaranteed quarter century of hell coming up if things go badly as forecast.

montalk
07-13-2015, 09:46 AM
Couple books on this:

Dark Winter: How the Sun Is Causing a 30-Year Cold Spell - James Casey (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Winter-Causing-30-Year-Spell/dp/1630060356)

Twilight of Abundance: Why Life in the 21st Century Will Be Nasty, Brutish, and Short - David Archibald (http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Abundance-Century-Nasty-Brutish/dp/1621571580/)

Couple videos:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRZG_RFMotE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LObn2Sk7tVg

The obvious thing to take away from this is that over the past 150 years the population has puffed up to 7 billion on the good graces of the stable climate (in addition to technology, etc). If the grain belts of the world get hit hard by a mini ice age, that simply can't be sustained. Severe droughts in some areas, prolonged torrential rain in other areas turning fields into swamps, crop killing freezes, snow in June, harbors icing over, etc. With that contraction in food supply and disruption to commerce and travel... with that comes economic and social destabilization, collapse, riots, revolutions, regime changes, and wars. If China starts to starve and tries to collect on the $1.3 trillion the USA owes it, what's going to happen there?

Stuff like this has happened before during the Maunder and Dalton solar minimums; there are documentaries on it. So the standard of living plummets. Technology will try to offset that with innovations in food and energy production but can't cover it all for everyone. I think the science behind the solar cycle predictions is pretty solid. That article Pontif posted reports 97% accuracy.

pontificator
07-18-2015, 01:48 PM
Any oddities for anyone to report? I've been very actively scanned in the last hour, and haven't had it happen that intensely for almost a couple of years.

lycaeus
07-18-2015, 08:54 PM
Any oddities for anyone to report? I've been very actively scanned in the last hour, and haven't had it happen that intensely for almost a couple of years.

I haven't been reading here in a while but just read your question and nothing else this morning about 4 hours ago then about an hour later got a really long ear tone in my right ear that lasted about a minute.

montalk
07-19-2015, 03:34 AM
Nothing out of the ordinary here. But I did have a couple interesting dreams of a type I haven't had in years, and with an increase in alien/exopolitic articles in mainstream news recently it made me wonder if "they" had returned from vacation and were now getting back to work. It's interesting how when things go quiet on the alien front, it goes quiet everywhere (websites, forums, media, personal lives). Shows how many places they're normally exerting influences.

lycaeus
07-19-2015, 04:44 AM
I noticed the talk about an upcoming ice age... well in my thread I wrote of my friend channeling an apparent alien named Marcy. I reread that just now and noticed I forgot to include a vision my friend had during the one channeling question experience. .. along with the vision of time lapse biological evolution he saw, about the time I asked the being about hard times ahead and doomsday my friend got a vision of a dilapidated, wrecked city. It was covered in snow and ice and he saw a nazi flag.

thanks pontif for sharing the article about upcoming ice age weather. It corroborates my own experience.

pontificator
07-20-2015, 12:39 PM
So, yesterday evening... One chipped tooth later, oh and a kettle of relatively hot water emptying onto my foot [and making a mess of my carpet, which is still drying] I'm pretty sure something is up.
Woke at 3:30 am [yes, almost hit that magic trifecta] the next morning to find that the heightened state of my abilities from the earlier scan had given me access to the fractal visual effect, which seems from experimentation to be a mathematical interpretation of my surrounds, and something new.

It appeared as multiple instances [each possibly associated with a mathematical interpretation] of square frames [edgeless] each with another slightly further ahead within the original frame [very similar to the infinity mirror effect.] I noted that they could be individually selected and traversed, suggesting to me the possibility that they represent future/possible states for given representations. When I did that something did not like it at all, and I was quickly shutdown on that front, so I'll have to find another opportunity to investigate further. The effect of feeling needles around the crown area has also reduced; possibly filaments to the ring structure, this popped up around the time I asked the question earlier.

Tooth is fine after a little dental work [the dentist thought the chip was really unusual] and the carpet will probably survive; foot's fine, ran it under cold water at the time. Unfortunately no actual Alien visitation to report... they missed a really good opportunity to do the dental work in exchange for a favour ;)

pontificator
07-23-2015, 01:41 PM
Seems to be ongoing ability development, which is unusual, something has definitely been tripped on. Several times over the last few days I've had everything suddenly turning on, fully stable, and without any pain. The pressure feels different as well, far more like a solid surrounding force; as opposed to that crushing sensation that tends to happen.

I did get a brief flash of a Grey's eyes, which tends to happen when a psychic capable entity is observing me, and I have my suspicions I ran into this particular one in 2008. It appeared to make an offer of a quantity of equipment for a favour, while offering the comment that I would be naive to expect anything different. Given the fact the equipment is not detailed beyond being computer equipment of some kind, and looking a little more high-tech than usual, I cannot ascertain whether the offer is equivalent to any potential favour it would want, especially as the nature of the favour is not described. I personally wouldn't sign on the dotted line of a non-disclosed contract, nor should anyone else.

Edward
07-23-2015, 11:06 PM
I did get a brief flash of a Grey's eyes, which tends to happen when a psychic capable entity is observing me, and I have my suspicions I ran into this particular one in 2008.

Interesting, I have had the similar if not the same type of experiences but it would involve seeing the Head to about the Neck and Side profile looks of a being with head and eye. The Side Profile looks were always a Reptilian. Some would have different Eye color. The former had usually been the grey's as you had mention but Id get a full head view with the eyes being prominent. I always wondered what was going on.

Edward

pontificator
07-24-2015, 08:31 AM
Interesting, I have had the similar if not the same type of experiences but it would involve seeing the Head to about the Neck and Side profile looks of a being with head and eye. The Side Profile looks were always a Reptilian. Some would have different Eye color. The former had usually been the grey's as you had mention but Id get a full head view with the eyes being prominent. I always wondered what was going on. EdwardFrom what I know that is part of the influence signature of the being you are interacting with [any influence to influence merging can be considered an interaction,] so you will find that if something is not deliberately obscuring its sense of self data then you will get an image of what it believes it looks like. It is a bit different for everyone though, and really depends on how long a person has had to train; in my case I don't go much further than visual on the eyes, but at another level I can "know" what it should look like.

pontificator
08-17-2015, 11:04 AM
General activity is on the up and up my end, at this current going rate I suspect that by October matters will be similar to 2008, which would indicate a 7 year activity cycle. This is in keeping with my suspicions about certain events occurring on a similar schedule.

On another front, I have identified a certain predictive ability, but it only occurs during sleep and with extreme infrequency. A heads up, one of these has occurred several times now, and seems to indicate at least two incidents where a meteor strike is averted, a third lightly wounds me, and the forth is not avertable. I only mention this now as a recent certainly predictive dream mentioned that last strike explicitly, as well as the death of a family member prior to the event. The time-frame of this predictive ability is less than three years, and is probably more accurate for the family member than the meteorite; I do hope I'm completely wrong on both fronts, and take any type of "prediction" from me as a guess at best, it's not happened enough times for me to nail down the specifics of how it is working.

Other than that, everything else is ticking over, lots of "hard" activations though, but without the vice-like crushing sensation I used to get. An entity did contact me recently, and I hid under the bed covers... after admonishing me for whining about matters it told me "tonight we will do something dangerous with a spear." Can't remember anything after that, but if I'm being trained on how to use a spear then things are probably going to get pretty bad in the future; although there will be meat of some kind, or the alternative is I need to be dangerous to put people off...

Fore
08-31-2015, 12:48 AM
Been affected by a severe economic issue.

<sigh>

Only things worth [really] sharing in my spare time is someones interpretation on a prophecy. It was found by my brother a few weeks ago on youtube.
Their interpretation isn't that unique but while we were talking about it and the contents therein, I realized that the four first prophecies are seemingly (pretty clearly) describing a series of asteroid strikes.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL86C8959DF81BE35A

Pre-Trumpet (a notable Earthquake)
Trumpet 1 --> The arrival of a debris field from an incoming Asteroid impact the Earth.
Scattered impacts burns up 1/3rd of the Earths trees and most of the vegetation.

Trumpet 2 --> The first main body impacts the Earth in the Ocean. (probably the Pacific?)
Destroys 1/3rd of the worlds sea faring ships from the energy of the impact, as well as 1/3rd of the aquatic life in the sea surrounding the impact site. Probably one hell of a tsunami.

Trumpet 3 --> The second main body of the Asteroid. It appears to be described as coming in at a shallower angle and appears as a "bright star". Multiple impacts across a wide swath of the earth surface and contains contamination which affects a large portion of the worlds water supply. (best guess over the largest source of fresh water in the world, Probably occurs over North and South America, or over the Nile system in Africa)

Trumpet 4 --> The fourth trumpet is probably a reference to the "debris field" now suspended in space above the Earth. (a consequence of "ejecta" from Trumpet 2)
Supposedly the passages make references to the debris blocking out 1/3rd of the day (sun) 1/3rd of the moon and 1/3rd of the stars above the worlds head.
So that tells me the debris field is in orbit above the heads of people and the people can clearly see it. As the bible references that must put a great immovable "fear" into people seeing the field of debris and not having a clue as to when it will come raining back down. (probably referenced in one of the later "vial" prophecies")
Imagine looking up in the day or the night and seeing massive black masses moving across the sky. Yeah, pretty scary.

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Seems all of these prophecies up to this point are designed to interrupt the worlds of "sheeple" from their work lives and anything they have put their time to up to this point. With the day-in,day-out circumstances of peoples lives being interrupted and certain death at their door (in more than one way) it is a way of getting the worlds attention on different matters.

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Trumpet 5 --> Seems to point to an ?Alien Invasion?. Amongst the chaos, they come on the scene (https://youtu.be/wpdP79JqCf8?list=PL86C8959DF81BE35A&t=494).
Later trumpets indicate that they present themselves as being "associated in some way with 'Heavens will' " and being tied to religion in some unclear way.

The Bible in this prophecy also seems to indicate these "beasts" (?aliens?) that appear after the asteroid impacts will likely be a "manufactured" presence. In other words, a custom made biological presence that is utilized for this specific purpose.

A so called "8th king" is said to "intercede" in these events and negotiate peace. Thereby giving him credence in the world stage that he has some kind of gravitas in the situation. Most people think it will be the 8th pope (the current one in power) after the 7th pope gave up power and resigned. (already fulfilled as the last pope resigned after only a short time as the prophecy stated)

During all this, that individual gains power and authority from all sectors in that given scenario. Having successfully "negotiated" with the invading force. Bible says though that he is of the same place/origin as these ~manufactured creatures~ and is a controlled figure by a "higher" (malevolent) power. It is (unclear to me) if it means physically or spiritually or both.

It is said that he is in league with the enemy. Though people who don't know prophecy won't know that.

Trumpet 6 --> Is basically about what happens after the "peace" negotiation. Where the world is changed in it's power structure and basic belief system. (my interpretation)
Given something palpable and "real" the world agrees to begin purging all undermined elements of faiths and beliefs up to that point in history.

After some years, it is said 4 (Malevolent) Fallen Angel Commanders (Supernatural) are released from their prison. These 4 take a large force of 200 million invaders with them to execute 1/3rd of Humanity in the span of 1 hour. Assuming current population numbers, somewhere above or below 2 Billion human casualties result.

It is unknown, of course, how many of the current 6 to 7 Billion human beings alive today might actually be alive at that time. I assume the present population numbers won't be anywhere near that number. As the scarcity of water and food and growing death and previous disasters would probably thin the worlds population by quite a big margin by this point.

Trumpet 7 --> Covers a wide variety of events inside and outside it. The last (and most severe plagues), the discovery by the world that they have been duped by the 8th king and his real identity(The Beast"), persecution of all kinds, supernatural events that the world starts to realize happens outside their accepted reality. etc etc.

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Would like to know of any error in my interpretation or anyones thoughts on these points. These are only my interpretation, always read the original for insight and never accept anyone elses views as your own without looking through the original. ETC.

newyorklily
08-31-2015, 01:11 AM
Fore, by the end of Trumpet 4, the asteroid and the effects from it, should kill off most of Earth's population. Therefore, by Trumpet 6, there would be no one left to rule and definitely not enough people left to eliminate 1/3 of the population. That would make this prophecy very flawed.

The destruction of the Earth would be the destruction of her people as well. Therefore, there would be no need for an invasion. Even if some humans survived, they would be too sick and damaged to be of any use to any invaders. The asteroid would also have made the Earth uninhabitable so it would be useless to invade her.

I hope everything is going better for you now.

Sent from my LGLS660 using Tapatalk

pontificator
08-31-2015, 10:46 AM
Curiously I had a dream a long time ago about the debris field. In all I've had three dreams connected to this matter, including the most recent one which places an impact roughly 5 months after the predicted point, and the family members death before that eventuality.

I'll give you the most interesting one:

I'm in a vehicle, as a passenger, which is driving past a cathedral.

Looking at the cathedral tower one rock appears, but bounces from the car window; the first is prevented by a technological measure.

Another appears, and this time the car window is open, I push it aside; prudence on my part prevents it being a serious problem, but it'll require some effort.

The third appears, it is like a large piece of pumice in appearance, but more otherworldy and possessing a surface like fine shards of silicon. I capture this one in my hands, and put it aside. My palms are covered in the shards which have penetrated the skin; suggesting effort is required to avoid major problems, but that injury is unavoidable.

I am now between two grassy sides of what can best be described as a ditch. One end of this ditch drops off into space, and many large asteriods are there, some passing overhead. A few I move away, but there is one which I cannot stop no matter how much I try, it is immense; probably the end of the road for me.

In other news, I've found that spear that I mentioned about earlier, recognized it straight away: http://zubinaxe.com/
It looks very cool, so I think I'll get the other bits for it. Makes me wonder a moment how exactly the aliens go about procuring them; quickly make one on-ship, or borrow one from a store?

@NewYorkLily, suddenly the forces of darkness are unleashed, and find 3 people left, they kill one; 1/3rd of the population ;) Moral of the story is that percentages don't require great numbers to still work.

Fore
09-01-2015, 07:28 PM
Fore, by the end of Trumpet 4, the asteroid and the effects from it, should kill off most of Earth's population. Therefore, by Trumpet 6, there would be no one left to rule and definitely not enough people left to eliminate 1/3 of the population. That would make this prophecy very flawed. Thanks for your feedback.

In my view I do think the events described are E.L.E. (Extinction Level Event(s) ). I do not think 7 Billion people will be alive near the end of the events.

I take (at least currently) the view that it will be more or less a progressive "rolling death toll" as time goes on after the first event. I also take the view that it will probably be a series of events where individuals lives are shattered worldwide and the status quo up to that point is rendered pretty much a pointless affair.

Not like a mad-max type of situation. But more of probably some kind of civilized societal "death grip" on whats left until there is almost nothing left.

In other words, I assume that the number of living individuals will be proportional to the level of dwindling resources. With jobs and work and other considerations taking a back seat to the imminent threat of death. Hence, I assume, making people consider what comes after their life has ended on this Earth.

Unfortunately, after going over it a few times, I can only conclude that very few will actually see "the second coming" in the flesh. It is probably why the Bible says that only 144,000 are the elect (not including the saved who may already be dead by this point).

144,000 is quite the fraction compared to 7,300,000,000 individuals.
Meaning, I guess, it is implied that the numbers are that thin near the end?

There is also a passage in the Bible that if God didn't cut his wrath short, "no flesh would be saved".
Meaning, we are clearly talking about an E.L.E.

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Also consider the "falling away" makes sense if people readily encounter the death of their loved ones and they perceive that God has abandoned them. Or at the very least, if the God of the Bible (it is perhaps perceived) disappoints their given expectations.

Imagine if the scenario above I just laid out is the scenario that plays out. It would massively disappoint many Christians who assumed that they would be alive to see the second coming. Or their disappointment if 9/10ths of their family died out. They might be out of sync with the purpose of prophecy?

There is a saying in the Bible that the dead are raised up first, and then the living, which might be because the dead vastly out number the living.
There is also a saying in the Bible that people will mourn if they have children during those times.

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I've pretty much come to the conclusion that prophecy illustrates various pictures of what will one day be a reality.
I contrast these pictures with what people expect in popular circles and I can clearly see there is a lot of room for disappointment and loss of faith stemming from being at odds with the intended consequences of prophecy.

For example, if you understand a loved ones death is like falling asleep and it isn't the end for them. Then the affected can part ways until they see them again someday. If people saw death as an unanswered prayer which then turns into some kind of lingering anger that separates them from God....Well, it doesn't take a genius to see that the world being affected on a personal level would act like a crowbar.

Especially if the worlds population "sees" supernatural beings or beings of biological constitution with supernatural extensions making feats of the the [seemingly] impossible.

It's the core trick I'd bet. Since the world would see these beings (who are not related to God) and can see their supernatural/psychic workings in the world. I imagine that being disappointed by perpetual grief, they would swim right into the arms of what they can directly see. There is without a doubt a serious danger of that.

Fore
09-07-2015, 06:14 PM
The 5th Wave Official Trailer #1 (2016)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMKg8-9pLlY

"The 5th Wave, written by Rick Yancy, is a dystopic novel that takes the genre to a new level. In the novel, aliens invade the earth, bringing death and destruction in five well defined waves. During the first wave, an EMP destroys all electronics on earth. In the second wave, a massive bar is dropped from space that causes total destruction on every coastline in the world. The third wave occurs when a modified Ebola virus wipes out more than seven billion people. Then, in the fourth wave it is discovered that some humans are hosts to the alien forms. The fifth wave is just beginning as teenagers Cassie and Ben make their way separately through a world they no longer understand.

Cassie is alone. She thinks she might be the last human left on Earth. Cassie is a survivor of an alien invasion that has come in four waves. Cassie's mother died from the Ebola virus in the second wave. During the fourth wave, her father was killed by soldiers. Ironically, before the soldiers gunned down her father, she had believed that they would save her family."

Source: http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-the-5th-wave/#gsc.tab=0

Fore
09-16-2015, 08:25 AM
By the way,
I noticed something worth mentioning. I have noticed over the last couple of days (unsure how long, but not long) that when I approach a light it starts to blink out. At first I thought it was a brown out but none of the other appliances are blinking out that are a little further away.

When it happened again three times in a row over a few seconds I noticed that I felt "weird".
The only way to describe it is like a muted feeling above my head. Nothing to do with my ears, but a background perception of...."noiselessness" in the ESP spectrum. Which I don't even normally sense anymore. Just seemed a bit odd.

The only times I recall sensing that noiselessness in the ESP spectrum in the past is when the ET's place their craft closeby in the air or they moved it overhead for re-positioning. Back then it was at times like sensing a large moving gap in the ambient background noise level. (well, at least in some of the configurations they used)

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I assumed maybe something was observing but then I tried not to think about to sort of keep the lid on the past nice and tight in my own thoughts. I honestly don't even want to talk about it, just to keep the bad mojo at bay. (<--- ridiculous reasoning, I know.)

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Oh and about two days ago (now that it came to me) I thought I noticed a dense ESP pressure pass cross off to my right, somewhat humanoid shape. I don't recall where I was when it happened. I think in one of the backrooms of my house. Just strange.

I now live next to Lackland AFB.

pontificator
09-16-2015, 10:15 AM
@Fore, Haven't quite had anything like that happen lately. However, my output has been ramping up by increasing amounts, enough to make me a bit concerned something major was going to happen today, but nothing of interest so far. If anything it is simply reacting strongly to some exterior stimulus, and for a change it did not go off when I had a cold for the last week; normally my output simply goes away altogether when I have a cold, but not this time around.

I'll probably have a bit of fun sensing your general location, and it sounds like there is plenty to investigate and examine; especially if there is the odd ship or two nearby. It might also have the added bonus that they'll leave you alone a bit while they look my way.

Fore
09-17-2015, 04:14 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mnmszc9AFGg

pontificator
10-05-2015, 12:09 AM
A very nice archive of Apollo mission program photography has been posted on Flickr by NASA: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/page1
Been down with a cold/chest infection for a week now, but the worst of it seems to be past. Influence output did decrease, but only to levels that were normal for standard output a few years ago, which shows that there is a threshold at which influence output will decrease, but not cease. In my case this threshold has been reached this year, and it has taken roughly seven years to reach this since the first major activation.

This does beg the question, in cases where individuals have been activated and continue to be activated, what is the normal period of time to reach this level?

There are several repercussions to this, if we take a more grandiose look at the current state of affairs it would seem to indicate to me that a wide-spread activation would need to be conducted within a very small time-frame, in order to ensure enough people were available for later projects. In turn, these later projects would be reliant on a fair majority of those activated having survived to that point; I suspect that physically going around doing what they do actually takes a fair amount of planning and resources; so this is not a random pick statistical experiment, they seem to have a very high-stakes gambit in play. Now, as to why they need individuals like Fore, myself, and others in play is debatable, but I still think they need people available for certain tasks to be carried out; be it being in the right place and right time for something to happen, to simply being there to act as a native translator for on-demand projects; suddenly activating non-preconditioned people does very bad things, and surely would be bad PR ;)

Fore
10-07-2015, 09:40 PM
A very nice archive of Apollo mission program photography has been posted on Flickr by NASA: https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/page1
Been down with a cold/chest infection for a week now, but the worst of it seems to be past. Influence output did decrease, but only to levels that were normal for standard output a few years ago, which shows that there is a threshold at which influence output will decrease, but not cease. I have heard that people produce less influence when they are sick.

I know that you can generate excess influence even when sick, so perhaps it has more to do with internal control rather than sickness. Or perhaps the sickness triggers passive measures that triggers a low state in influence generation? Maybe the truth is somewhere in between?

I assume that you can heighten influence production if you really wanted to (consciously)...despite the passive decrease or mechanisms thereof.



In my case this threshold has been reached this year, and it has taken roughly seven years to reach this since the first major activation.

This does beg the question, in cases where individuals have been activated and continue to be activated, what is the normal period of time to reach this level? Unsure. I think it depends on several factors.

Mainly, if an ET came and activated your abilities for influence [excess] production then "it depends on....".

- Your compatibility with the interfacing ET and/or capacity for influence production.
- Your ease "factor" in being activated.
For example, you might be activated repeatedly and only achieve a certain level and then level off quickly. Your "influence structures" is a big factor.
- Your sustained performance once active in [excess] influence production.

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You might meet an ET one night who remote turns your abilities on to "high" right from across from the room. It might not make your perfectly active despite this. It is your influence structures that makes things tick. Your influence system is "a system" by itself. And it needs to work properly for it to remain functional.

So even if an ET turns you on [psychically] for a specific task, it may not be as successful as an activation AS someone who has better compatibility for psychic capabilities. There are different factors to consider. It's not like a lightbulb or a switch. Sometimes the so called [influence] wiring is not up to spec for a specific kind of activity.

Basically, that is why some ET conduct tests to see just how viable a project will be with a specific individual (as far as I knew). Some people are no good for their purpose and some are excellent for a specific set of projects, and others are good....all-rounders I guess.

Fore
10-07-2015, 10:31 PM
There are several repercussions to this, if we take a more grandiose look at the current state of affairs it would seem to indicate to me that a wide-spread activation would need to be conducted within a very small time-frame, in order to ensure enough people were available for later projects. I am writing while distracted. Listening to a podcast while typing this so I am sorry if I miss the meaning behind your intention.

I am not sure I follow your logic.

[Psychic-able] ET do not require individuals to be turned on "all the time". From what I have learned from looking over the community and the stories/accounts. It looks like my case is an exception.

Most people (from what I can see) are turned on momentarily, and turn-ed off after the task is done.
So in the same night they can be elevated and turned off in the same night.

A few accounts I have seen on the net, indicate that people only sustain the activation for a very short period of time after they are stimulated/manipulated psychically to be turned off. So they slowly coast off after anywhere from minutes to hours TO as long as days or a few weeks.

Some cases indicated that the majority of the activation is reversed and turned off with only remnant of some psychic functionality.

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In my case, the advisor (and the other Grey males) continuously worked on me while in a normal environment and seemed to allow me to stay "active". All I can remember is when I was really small the Grey males used to try to turn me into an "off" state. But they [apparently] either had trouble doing it reliably or they gave up. Unsure if it is because I kept tinkering with the psychic features or if I learned a trick, or if their plans changed. I don't know.

So I got to walk around with the abilities progressively being refined and eventually trained to use them (mostly) by the advisor. With strict control on how to use them and when not to. With ample oversight and someone always keeping tabs on me and what I was doing.

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All I know for sure, is when I first got to venture into the UFO community (with the advisors oversight at the time, keep that in mind) to see what the state of things were, it became pretty apparent that my "normal", wasn't normal. Even abductees do not seem to be able to interface invisibly nor do they seem to have any real significant psychic functionality. Most of the abductees abilities are pieces here and there that seems to barely function when inspected. Some of the people I interacted with became aware that their mind was monitored and inspected to some degree....creeps them out. Made them convinced you were some kind of ET. Which I am not.

So after a few years, it became increasingly clear that my background wasn't the norm. Testing different individuals showed pieces and fragments of knowledge and observations, but mostly nothing too informed. And normal psychics had less developed abilities and they had either a specific skill or they had skill but no [significant] knowledge to draw from and support further developments.

So basically, I was looking and testing, expecting to see sameness and others, but nothing. The landscape was different than I expected.

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Alot of people are a part of experiments of a different kind, or just abductions, or projects with specific intent and motive.

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The few that I met, that at the very least showed some signs of being manipulated "in the same way" seemed to be made with "less intent or care" with regards to functionality. Not as proper. And usually utilized to discount my accounts. (at least functional enough, eh?)

Some of the experiencers even [seemingly] blindly respond with an IFF type of request with some prodding when you make them aware of the ET style of poking and monitoring on their minds. Which is just kind of dumb [latent mental procedures in an un-managed environment?]. So at the very least it tells you that not everyone is interacted/trained with to the same degree. (thats not a good thing in my mind)

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The activation factor is pretty much all over the place. The majority seem to be either fully turned off after the task is completed, or they retain a dim level of left over psychic activation. Just like an ET, if you monitor their influence, it slowly nudges them into an active state.

The aspect of information, is pretty well spread out. Some people have certain pieces of information but no one has all of the information in one place. (well "all" just means from what I just know)

The majority of interactivity seems to be passively controlled by more than one ET group and geared (seemingly) to diffuse any one specific information. So you have a room of people asking various questions to each other and each and every person only has specific pieces of the answers. BUT, the ET's seemed to have loaded the community full of stories and premises which keep the various affected individuals from accepting each others puzzle pieces.

Different "installed" narratives collide and explode and keep people at a distance from one another from what I can see. Just as was described by the ET I once knew.

Fore
10-09-2015, 11:47 AM
The images below demonstrate the same information as I received from the Advisor a long time ago when I asked about (I think) how the cattle mutilations were conducted. (she made reference to some of the ET devices having (phased tips) with "tendrils" that would perform complex surgical procedures.)

She said it was a hallmark of one of various technologies being used. And explained roughly how the tendrils (in tandem with phasing devices) would perform surgery on things without the surface being mutilated in some cases.

Again, for those who do not believe I had ET contacts, ask yourself what the likelihood is of coming into that specific information (and a ton of others) without her and the other ETs being around?

Source: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/gallery/Alien-Human-Hybrid-Children.html

http://i.imgur.com/gneKt71.png

Fore
10-09-2015, 11:56 AM
After what you have learned Pontif, this is no mystery:

"Electrical disturbances"
- Psychic/Paranormal after effects...etc.

All influence related.

Source: http://www.alienjigsaw.com/et-contact/Carpenter-Abductions-Aftereffects-ET-Alien-Abductions.html

http://i.imgur.com/Lg5V8DZ.png

Fore
10-09-2015, 12:26 PM
Hmm, someone ET just started observing. That is an old (unpleasant) feeling...

Took them....about 45 minutes to notice. Their response time has slipped. Guess I am now a lower priority checkup?:angel_not:

Fore
10-11-2015, 01:18 PM
Committing to writing some kind of "unknown event"?
Currently confused by the experience and "remembrance?" and half-asleep.

Experienced an error-like "dream-like state" which my mind says is the second time. My Mind reports during altered event that this "error event" happened for the first time was "by remembrance" some weeks prior. Conscious mind acknowledged and understood that was true during the "error-like event".

The following is a type of memory dump of fragmented pieces I can still recall. Hence, why I am half asleep while writing this out. Apologies for lack of clarity.

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Playing of games, with a ball, alternate home, inserting ball about size of golf ball into a storage space. Shoe box sized space...as if in a safe location.
Error in spacetime?, anomalies witnessed, recorded observation event, storage space begins duplicating objects in spacetime.
Objects begin duplication in spacetime.

Mind feels altered, as if observing an event that is classified secret. Prior Memories in altered state is deemed incorrect, mindset is incorrect for self, but registers as valid says part of my mind experiencing the error event.

Memories of seeing an error in spacetime, objects being duplicated in spacetime from the error event. Boxes and objects that have familiarity in this "altered mindset" being spit out repeatedly from the "storage space". Witness event. Like as if seeing a common storage area where a wandering anomaly begins to spit out duplicates of objects.

Communication with family during the "error event", worries expressed to one another in an alternate home about safety of the room with the anomaly. [altered mindset] Acknowledgement that the anomaly is wandering along three axis in a repeating pattern as it repeats objects in space.

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Hearing a voice while witnessing in this "error event", stating in a rough military manner that this is a secret to forget. Male voice, Portuguese or Brazilian Army mental references attached.
Mental [fleeting] references of recovery/sequestered after "error incident". Mental notations continue to pile up, taken to facility, stored individual. Attempting to communicate across version(s) of self. Notations in mind are experienced and added...acknowledgement details of access to influence data and higher level cognition. Testing by sequester-ers. leak event.

Proper mindset, deciphers some kind scenario of "message in a bottle", from alternate self in a parallel experience?

Do not forget mental notes, made of highest priority?

Then hearing a plea from what my mind acknowledges is to relate and spread knowledge.

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Seeing a screen in front of me with white letters in English with a header in red. Some kind of importance with ?underground military? in the southern hemisphere. Alternate memories. Launching of white nuclear rockets, end of world scenario? Something else but forgetting now.

Laying in bed, paralyzed while half asleep, seeing a shifting scene of two versions of alternate reality. Mine and some other version. Keeps shifting between two versions in a strobing fashion. Someone is close by in one version. Eyes lightly open. Unaware if awake or asleep.

Mind keeps indicating error or overlapping of conflicting sets of information from [estimated] parallel self? Automatic Intention to report error(s) to closest ET upon wakefulness. Automatic mental notations pop up, report error event through alternate means. Request inspection upon wakefulness. (no, no thanks! Not requesting any such thing mind you!)

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Proper mindset begins to take over at this point. Some other events occur before that last part but my recall is fleeting. Now begin to awake with standard mindset.
Feeling the side of my head as if it is feeling funny. Like when the ET are alerted to something when I type something up. Hoping that it is just a strange dream.

Best interpretation is that something "weird" happened [apparently for the second time?]. It didn't feel like a dream at all. But like a message in a bottle full of content and references. A plea for help from an alternate self? Or some kind of last words, type of deal. Whatever the events mean, it felt very real, like walking through real memories of an alternate self.

What got my attention was the vividness and the reference to accessing the higher mind to broadcast information. I saw scenes of captivity of some kind and manipulation by human parties (fuzzy interpretation). [From a first person perspective by the way]

I don't know what to make of it. It is like throwing up and then inspecting the parts to figure out what you had for breakfast.

More interesting than anything are the tidbits towards the end. It is like reading an error log and data dump with a request for re-inspection. What the hell is that about??

Fore
10-11-2015, 08:52 PM
Reading it back to myself a few times after being fully awake makes me wonder if someone or something was attempting to "spoof" my mental image. I wonder if that is possible?

Kind of makes the entire episode a worrying event. If you dumb down the entire experience it comes across basically as three main points.

--My mind recognizing something identified as "self" (but foreign in origin) with some kind of background information embedded into it.

--Some miscellaneous [nonesense?] content experienced that doesn't make sense. The main theme is "witnessing replication"(?) and "an error". Followed by the presence of someone nearby while immobilized in bed, neither awake or asleep or not able to determine which state I am in. Visual artifacts and mental artifacts.

Almost sounds like an innovative style of mental hacking. Spoofing of a self identity by some outside presence(?)

Followed by mental (real self) background responses to report to some ET for an "inspection". Almost like a part of my own mind is recognizing something is amiss and keeps asserting some unknown protocol that the event needs to be reported to someone ET.

Very strange.

pontificator
10-12-2015, 07:38 AM
Almost sounds like an innovative style of mental hacking. Spoofing of a self identity by some outside presence(?)


That sounds very interesting, I'll investigate that angle a bit, as it looks to be very useful...

Also, I have been trying a few things recently, you sure you're not experiencing some feedback from an running experiment from my end? I've been working more on synchronization, and particularly on breaking down subconscious locks, which would feed over your way as well.

whoknows
10-12-2015, 08:09 PM
Very strange.

If you consider the multivers it could be that you experienced, well, you. I mean how distant could our other selves really be.

Edward
10-13-2015, 01:43 AM
If you consider the multivers it could be that you experienced, well, you. I mean how distant could our other selves really be.

On that note, I experience a multiple of incidents especially when I'm driving I get it as something is almost happening and I getting it prior to the possibility of something happening. I get scenario's of various traffic accidents happening and the horror and intense moment of it is real in my mind and as I realize that moment I know I don't have to have that experience presently. For me these situations usually come to me while I'm driving. Perhaps I'm tapping into my other selves experiences and the emotional intensity and echo is reaching me on a subconscious to conscious level????

Edward

pontificator
10-13-2015, 11:58 AM
Followed by mental (real self) background responses to report to some ET for an "inspection". Almost like a part of my own mind is recognizing something is amiss and keeps asserting some unknown protocol that the event needs to be reported to someone ET.

With that particular ET, would it be one that has been described before? It could be a little fun to see if I can spoof you, and make it arrive at the wrong target; if that were ever possible, I am aware that the ET are true masters at what they do compared to us, but then again a self-assured entity might get caught out by the unexpected.

Thinking well back, I remember the primary cause of precognition was essentially sensory leakage from different experienced probabilities, this particular event could use a similar method, but instead force-feed that information to all current self-instances simultaneously. Further along that thought, the core essence of our being essentially experiences all of these probabilities anyway, making me wonder if it might simply be a higher level of access being required to produce this effect [send to central trunk, broadcast to current leaves; in its simplest descriptive form.]

I'm going to deliberately increase output flow over the next week, with the aim of increasing structure growth/activation, and see about investigating a bit of your external field to try and find a way of getting the origin point for this effect; lines of association are my key areas of competency after all, and yes I'll be careful. If you haven't noticed anything coming from my end over the last week or so then you shouldn't notice anything now.

whoknows
10-13-2015, 08:42 PM
Perhaps I'm tapping into my other selves experiences and the emotional intensity and echo is reaching me on a subconscious to conscious level????

For me it has seemed to be much more random but linked to what I would also call emotional events, though not necessarily violent . Plus they have been mostly conscious experiences, for instance I can be reading and all of the sudden I’ll sense or know an alternate path.

Some would say this is all down to chemical responses… One of the things I like about Dan Smiths post over at OMF are his thoughts on the material and immaterial as relates to the plethora aspect of the BPWH (BTW I don’t know if Dan reads OPF, but is he does I would say there is no harm in reaching for the transcendent… For those things which there is no language.)

“Via Joseph Campbell: My friend Heinrich Zimmer of years ago used to say, "The best things can't be told," because they transcend thought. "The second best are misunderstood," because those are the thoughts that are supposed to refer to that which can't be thought about, and one gets stuck in the thoughts."The third best are what we talk about.”

pontificator
10-21-2015, 01:05 AM
Been keeping an eye on a Mid-day increase in influence output, the regularity of this over roughly a half-month period indicates that an external source is causing it in a polling manner. I can lock onto it as I am writing this sentence, but all I can say is that the source is "fuzzy", which for me means it's deliberately obfuscating itself.

The regular activation cycle I started on the 13th onwards is certainly reaching new areas I'd not encountered before, I'm also going to have to be a bit careful I don't cause any physical damage as a result, and I'll maintain it at this level while performing a variety of tests to see what forms of feedback are now possible. "Reach and correct" is working, which is where I'll look at a piece of my writing, and then reach-out to my higher-conciousness, and then know a better way of writing it down on the page; essentially like having an editor on my shoulder, but one you have to remember is available, I only employ it when I am seriously stuck on improving something.

Fore
10-21-2015, 03:59 PM
That sounds very interesting, I'll investigate that angle a bit, as it looks to be very useful...

Also, I have been trying a few things recently, you sure you're not experiencing some feedback from an running experiment from my end? I've been working more on synchronization, and particularly on breaking down subconscious locks, which would feed over your way as well.I honestly would not know if it was you at this point.

Though, for the moment, my [preferred?] interpretation is that my mind was alerting me that someone/something posing as me, with a different set of memories was...somehow accessing and ~duplicating~ my internal information. Weird way of signaling that is the case, then again, the mind represents things symbolically.

I do not find it strange that it happened, because looking back, 24 hours before the event, something ET accessed one of my structures. I assumed it was my former ET group. Perhaps not?

Whoever did it, 24 hours later, apparently performed some kind of illicit access to my ?memories? or who-knows-what.

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It is "normal" that when you assert a vague piece of information that you get remote checks from "unknown" parties who are usually ET from outside the circle of known interactions. In the past, a few were RV'ers ET who seem to work within some framework of human intelligence have done it repeatedly in the past.

The incoming sessions are usually only 45 minutes in length.

So that isn't unexpected. I guess the source is trying to assess what else is known. The gap of 24 hours before the routine probably indicates some kind of background routine took place. As regular ET [in the past] didn't normally pause on scanning me throughout a few days at regular intervals.

pontificator
10-22-2015, 11:45 AM
Since I mentioned it yesterday the mid-day increase in output shifted to 9am... curious, I'll report if it changes again tomorrow.

pontificator
10-23-2015, 01:44 AM
Shifts to higher output than prior days, now 12:40pm. If anyone is trying to contact me then I'm noticing it...

Fore
10-26-2015, 05:49 AM
With that particular ET, would it be one that has been described before? It could be a little fun to see if I can spoof you, and make it arrive at the wrong target; if that were ever possible, I am aware that the ET are true masters at what they do compared to us, but then again a self-assured entity might get caught out by the unexpected.There are interesting things which really get me thinking.

For example,
I read (what was freely available) of the book 'Walking Among Us: The Alien Plan to Control Humanity' by David M. Jacobs.
The thing that really gets me is that back in, around, or before 2000, when I asked the Advisor about books she'd recommend about the ET subject (and if they actually read any), she cited (telepathically) a number of names I didn't know. I still vaguely recall when I brought up the names on the list on OMF and they all seemed to belong to one particular slant of....propaganda. (more or less)

But I don't recall David Jacobs being on that list. Any time I come across his writings I noted how focused he was on various subjects. (Yet, to be honest, I haven't read much.)

Yet when I actually looked up the other authors cited by the Advisor (an ET) years after the fact (when Garuda made mention of the correct spellings for some of the authors) it sounded like bulk material coming out of ET narratives. Some of the text of these books even sounded like someone who was very similar to the Advisor was inspiring them....very wordy to say the least.

The majority of the slant on the authors was seemingly endless details of various narratives. Nothing really useful to me (in my opinion).
Though with Jacobs writings the details were alot more useful. Just reading through some of it you automatically fill in the blanks because you've heard about it here or there in conversations/demonstrations. So you realize, at times, you already know more than the author does...or at least he lets on in writing.
I wonder why he isn't on that list?

She gave me vague impressions that they do actually know and _read_ about UFO culture. Yet when I asked where they actually get the material from (Do they buy it at bookstores? Digital copies? etc) the Advisor was incredibly elusive in her answers. Why so elusive on how you came across that info?

I still remember just listening to her "Tall Tales" (which turned out to be true!) about the UFO community (that I wasn't a part of at the time). It was like listening to someone who is always serious telling you an odd tale that sounds too hard to believe. Well, at least until you gain access to it and then realize it is ~mostly~ as described.


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The next thing that gets me (from what I have read) is that the details of Jacobs latest book describes in one area of the book; training processes such as abductees controlling other abductees in psi tests. I read through it and it made common sense. Including the artificial psi amplification technologies which I have heard them reference/detail/instruct on over the years but never actually have gotten to witness it myself directly in person.

I noticed the author made it abundantly clear that the ET and their hybrid/hubrid offspring can control human beings to varying extents. Again, pretty "normal". That didn't strike me as odd at all. It's expected considering all else I already know. It's almost common sense.

He made mention that eye-to-eye contact is not required but does induce a stronger effect. Again, that fit exactly what I had seen day in and day out. Even when it was my turn to engage in experiments on other people.

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What struck me as completely odd was this myth perpetuated in UFO communities that ETs could only control your psychic field if they looked you directly in the eye. (?) That was funny; yet asserted by many in the UFO communities I took a gander at. It seems like a popular myth. I recall even a number of assertions of people saying that as long as you don't look the ET in the eyes you won't fall into its control. (??)

Like I couldn't cite a dozen or more explanations as to why that is wrong in the majority of cases. If you had an incredibly crippled nearly non-telepathic ET...I guess that might be true? <epic shrug>

But it's kind of weird seeing an abductees at times claiming that. I guess they have too many blanked out memories to know any better. Even during training it was explained clearly that ET can "image a property" from some distance to figure out where the living inhabitants are standing inside of a building or home. (with certain exceptions)

Even the stated ET protocols for physical engagements made it pretty clear the do's and don'ts of a generic situation. Everything from situational awareness to compromising the mental capacities at an encroaching distance. Everything is pretty clear the ET is (if capable) in control of the event from start to finish. Sure I can see in accounts by some abductees that there are slipups and whatnot, but for an abductee to claim that they have to make eye contact really is something that throws me for a loop.

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It is almost akin to someone saying a car driver can drive from point A to B without ever touching the steering wheel or the brake. Just about everyone knows that isn't true unless the distance is less than 10 feet. Strange and bizarre and a bit hard to believe?

montalk
11-03-2015, 09:54 AM
About eye contact, I've only heard of greys getting up close face to face within 1 foot distance, and the abductee feeling like they're being swallowed up by those black eyes as the grey does some kind of deep mind scan. Maybe some near-field effect? Wonder if greys have influence structures in/around their heads and faces too, and whether these can be used like a probe.

I think our cat got possessed by a grey (or some alien looking through her) once. Might have told this story before. I was sitting on the kitchen floor and the cat was a couple yards from me sitting calmly too. She was staring off spacing out when something else came through her face. Her eyes suddenly locked on mine and quickly dilated completely black, except for a thin rim of iris in a rounded wavy shape that was undulating like a ray fish. She started purring really loudly, got up on all fours, and then with her eyes still locked on mine her head began swaying side to side like a cobra being snake charmed. So she starts walking toward me slowly like in a trance, with her huge undulating eyes and swaying head motion. She was just a yard away when I freaked and jumped up and yelled and then she snapped out of it and came back to herself. She never did that before or since, except one time to Carissa's brother a couple years earlier, whom she would not have believed had I not had the same experience myself. I bet if I hadn't gotten up, the cat would have put her face right up to mine and psychically done something weird.

pontificator
11-03-2015, 10:47 AM
With Greys the eye lock is essentially the moment you've lost from my experience. Although I do know that if they make a mistake, and you switch to being emotionally excited, then they cannot regain control; this was with the first Grey I ever saw though, and I can attest they do that looking into your eyes thing when you are lying down flat (although, note this, they are effectively looking at your eyes upside down, but I suspect they might get more coverage of the brain itself with that method.)

From experience a Grey gets a psychic lock when looking into your eyes when you experience fear, calmness, or you communicate an emotion directly to it (I believe once they are aware which one you are experiencing they can model your influence field more accurately, and then take control.) From Fore's prior writing psychic entities with these abilities essentially model the target in their own mind, and then apply to necessary alterations to the target (this can be done blind), this can be supplemented when they perform an RV of the targets current influence state. My thought is that excitement, or somewhat random influence fields, render both of the prior processes ineffective; a shield of influence noise would probably work as well, and appears to be employed by ETs, and works against spirit entities.

I also suspect that describing these methods pre-programs a functioning higher mind, and means that should you get visited the first time around the entities concerned will get a very nasty surprise; from their perspective. I'd say anything that does not go according to plan, especially with their precognitive abilities, and concerning an untrained Human of all things, probably reflects rather badly on their ability to carry out an operational plan effectively.

In terms of working out what external structures they may employ, I'd say they definitely have them, but I'm still rather busy trying to model my own, let alone something else's; especially given that they try to make sure everything is well nailed down my end before they even step through the door. Curiously, "The Vet" seems to still be assigned my way, it is also getting ever more "increasingly concerned" that I should find a girlfriend and have babies as soon as possible... my general comment to it is that it should probably do something about it then... it, and other entities, indicate "this will be a problem later". I cannot be 100% sure what the end game will be there, but it indicates to me that the "event" can't be too far off, perhaps the 2020's.

Fore
11-03-2015, 05:19 PM
With Greys the eye lock is essentially the moment you've lost from my experience. Although I do know that if they make a mistake, and you switch to being emotionally excited, then they cannot regain control; this was with the first Grey I ever saw though, and I can attest they do that looking into your eyes thing when you are lying down flat (although, note this, they are effectively looking at your eyes upside down, but I suspect they might get more coverage of the brain itself with that method.)

From experience a Grey gets a psychic lock when looking into your eyes when you experience fear, calmness, or you communicate an emotion directly to it (I believe once they are aware which one you are experiencing they can model your influence field more accurately, and then take control.) From Fore's prior writing psychic entities with these abilities essentially model the target in their own mind, and then apply to necessary alterations to the target (this can be done blind), this can be supplemented when they perform an RV of the targets current influence state. My thought is that excitement, or somewhat random influence fields, render both of the prior processes ineffective; a shield of influence noise would probably work as well, and appears to be employed by ETs, and works against spirit entities.

I also suspect that describing these methods pre-programs a functioning higher mind, and means that should you get visited the first time around the entities concerned will get a very nasty surprise; from their perspective. I'd say anything that does not go according to plan, especially with their precognitive abilities, and concerning an untrained Human of all things, probably reflects rather badly on their ability to carry out an operational plan effectively.

In terms of working out what external structures they may employ, I'd say they definitely have them, but I'm still rather busy trying to model my own, let alone something else's; especially given that they try to make sure everything is well nailed down my end before they even step through the door. Curiously, "The Vet" seems to still be assigned my way, it is also getting ever more "increasingly concerned" that I should find a girlfriend and have babies as soon as possible... my general comment to it is that it should probably do something about it then... it, and other entities, indicate "this will be a problem later". I cannot be 100% sure what the end game will be there, but it indicates to me that the "event" can't be too far off, perhaps the 2020's.I am deeply shocked/alarmed that you understood it that well.

If I had that reaction and I was the one who leaked it to you, then damn, imagine if any ET scanning the minds of those reading it...imagine their reaction. You sir are one disturbingly insightful fellow.

I often wonder if any of the other members understood what is said as well as you often show me.

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If anyone wants an ET to "investigate them" thoroughly (YMMV) you really only have to post that (whats in red). No doubt as it filters through the regular human beings (...and abdcutees/experiencers) reading the posts contents....probably illiciting no real response....and eventually being reviewed by the ET's who routinely do status check ups on content material circulating through many human eyes and ears....there will (with little doubt) be "a reaction" in short order.

I _highly_ doubt that piece of text will go unnoticed at some point in the process of check ups on the community. You don't even have to link back to the outpost forum. Just try post it anonymously (don't! for your sake) and you'll see one hell of a crater left behind where that text is quoted. I can't really imagine that it would be ignored.

And if that innocuous looking piece of text solicits attention from onlookers on other forums...Yikes. Even I would roll out the "inquisitional hammer" on the attention get'ers into a steep oblivion.

I wonder if all the other human beings looking on will wonder what the fuss is all about? (Someones already scanning me at the end of this sentence)

Fore
11-03-2015, 05:53 PM
@ Pontif
I can't tell you something like "be less insightful" because in all honesty part of me is glad you understand.
The other part of me (the self preservation side) is stressed because of your insightful behavior and the fear of reprisals.

If you say anything else that is insightful, I hope it is understood that I wish you to be fully responsible for your insightful behaviors.
No wonder you are beings scanned so much. You are probably thinking on and off about things just like what you have posted.

This is a warning from a friend to another friend, please...do whatever you feel like with your own mind and body (and any text springing forth from your typing).
Also realize there will be very real ET's, who will very much mind, what you put into easy to access words. While I don't doubt there will be other ET's who will look into it and see an opportunity for dialog.

I would say, be careful.

Condensing things into easy to understand words...will draw the IRE of some group(s) of ET's who'd make things....complicated.
If it is a subordinate who reacts, you'll probably get away with a paddling.
If you draw the ire of someone with a higher position you might not get away with just a paddling.

Information is a key, and there are some doors that some ET would rather keep firmly locked into place.
If you get between them and their work.....things happen.
Please be conscious of that much. Some ET can be brutal in....rendering situations...to cure a problem.
Keep in mind they usually strike before everything gets into motion with the advent of their advanced pre-cognition.

I am rooting for your insights and at the same time deeply worried/afraid about the consequences of you having them.

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I am trying to express to you...the obvious...about what I expect someone ET would have said.
At the same time, I would love to see you do it again, if the situation were consequence free.

So just do what you will do, just keep me out of it. I know I am complicit, but if they ask, say a good lie for me, that it is all your doing. Thanks.

Keep safe and be mindful.

L-W
11-29-2015, 08:09 PM
I've been in contact with spirits or ET's for a few years now, which of it, I don't know. I was hoping someone could clear it up for me.

I suspect I'm in contact with a 4D entity (by Law of One description), it's semi-advanced, but I've encountered far more advanced entities (5D+ suspectedly), that tweaked around with audible sound in very cool ways. Extremely cool sounds that I could literally hear with my own ears.

I kind of want to get in contact with the higher-order entities again. Know how I could get this done?
I have some great friends among them, and I think they will not be very upset with me posting this.

I believe it feels like something is blocking these friends of mine from communicating clearly with me.

Should I meditate, even though I hate it? Having ADHD and all.

I believe I have also communicated with some aspect of you, Fore, by the way. We were speaking/thinking/communicating on the subject of organized crime some times. And I also tried to help an entire mental hospital to get rid of ill-willed entities, allegedly with your help (or so the spirits claimed). But I'm sure you wouldn't even answer if it's true or false even if I told you. I know you can get into **** if you speak too much about these things.

I too, have tested the limits on how much I can speak about the subject publicly, and I have felt the repercussions of what these guys can do.

Fore
11-30-2015, 04:01 AM
I've been in contact with spirits or ET's for a few years now, which of it, I don't know. I was hoping someone could clear it up for me.

I suspect I'm in contact with a 4D entity (by Law of One description), it's semi-advanced, but I've encountered far more advanced entities (5D+ suspectedly), that tweaked around with audible sound in very cool ways. Extremely cool sounds that I could literally hear with my own ears. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with "Law of One". I somewhat recall that montalk has some experience in that, so he might be the right person to ask.

As for audible sounds, I am not sure I could help you. I think you might want to ask around. I don't know if you meant environmental sounds or sounds through electronics or whatnot.

I have only heard of electronic communication in the "friendship case" but beyond that I don't know much.


I kind of want to get in contact with the higher-order entities again. Know how I could get this done?
I have some great friends among them, and I think they will not be very upset with me posting this. Unfortunately, I do recall your screen name from OMF but I wouldn't know how to do that and be a targeted exercise.

I don't think about this anymore. I also don't particularly advise that practice anymore.


I believe it feels like something is blocking these friends of mine from communicating clearly with me.

Should I meditate, even though I hate it? Having ADHD and all. I do not know as I never meditate.


I believe I have also communicated with some aspect of you, Fore, by the way. We were speaking/thinking/communicating on the subject of organized crime some times. And I also tried to help an entire mental hospital to get rid of ill-willed entities, allegedly with your help (or so the spirits claimed). But I'm sure you wouldn't even answer if it's true or false even if I told you. I know you can get into **** if you speak too much about these things. Sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. Something or someone might have manipulated you into thinking that it was the case?


I too, have tested the limits on how much I can speak about the subject publicly, and I have felt the repercussions of what these guys can do.

Speaking about it is only a slight issue. It is [coherent] dissemination that is the real issue. Though I haven't heard from Pontif in quite some time, I believe it is always been an issue when people tie different points together into a way that anyone can understand it in the simplest sense.

The ET's I once knew only cared about credibility and dissemination of information.

Stand in my shoes for a moment. Here is how it always goes.

They threatened you with credibility, you can talk about it, but you have to hold back critical pieces of information. Ensuring vague and bland statements.
--You cannot look for, nor link to, nor provide supporting statements or evidence. (though sometimes I did anyway)

When you do that, a group of associated ET directly "in charge of you" are forced to assess the audience on an ongoing basis. Which in turn makes people notice psychic "side-effects" from being scanned. => Which leads to a vicious circle of downplaying credibility in your statements.

--You are then told you have to downplay the phenomena of individuals being scanned and assessed. (I didn't do that, in fact, I made them do it intentionally...putting these ET groups in a touchy position at times.)
--You aren't supposed to encourage people to talk about it with each other. (I did do that)

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Limiting what topics could be threaded together in your conversation so that individuals watching would not piece together various aspects that relate to one another. (Something I stepped over the bounds of countless times.)

If you go back and read the past, you'll notice I played dumb to figure out who knows what and how much.

The problem is I usually went against the grain and usually put it together for people. That didn't go well for me. Each time, I got hit with incredibly bad situations and threats to that effect to keep me in line.

The Group of ET's I once knew are always nervous about what happens if people learn enough to be able to see through the baloney they practice every day on an ongoing basis. Any ET comments, issues or details I would usually commit it to memory even if I didn't understand it at the time.

Later repeating entire statements from memory as best as I recalled them.

Talking about thousands of different ET conversations and ET topics (from years past) with members on Open Minds Forum and this forum to a lesser extent, made me realize just how much more I knew that I often hadn't even noticed were connected together.

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One of the main issues was not providing context. I broke those rules all the time...with ample consequences.

Honestly, I never understood why they didn't just strangle me in my sleep and that way all of it just went away. It would have been the sensible thing. (well for their purposes)

There were mysteries going on in the background and someone keeping things going. Different groups clearly had different interests. Perhaps it wasn't as simple to do that as it sounds? I dunno.

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Which ever it may be, they showed me in real time that they can do it if they want to. They would go as far as to tell me when to be somewhere for the demonstration of the threat. Someone I don't know was always the focus of the demonstration. I saw car accidents as details stipulated and right on cue.

So they could, but for some strange reason they never carried it out. Knowing all I do know, they could have easily done so. Why they didn't is a real mystery.

Pontif (in my view) has never done anything wrong by putting things in clear and easy to understand English. But if he isn't careful he will face tragedy until he is more prudent about keen interests that remain unseen to most individuals.

I am rooting for him, as long as I don't have to pay for that bill.

I could probably go out on the net (since I know what I am looking for...and strangely almost always find it easily) and pull the picture into focus. But no one on this forum is going to be there for me when it comes time to pay for it. I am a pretty unlucky person, so I know I should not gamble with what little lot I have in this life.

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And if someone is skeptical, I could very well tell them in secret exactly what to type out as if it were their own and what attitude to take while pasting it, and trust me, there will be a crater left where they once were in short order. But I am not going to do that, I don't have anything to do with those ET beings anymore and I have learned (thoroughly) not to rock that boat anymore.


The ET could make a psychic target of their choosing lose certain kinds of cognition in the middle of a drive and then splat...one "expendable" member less. There won't be anything at the event than just a mere coincidence of condolences and a body bag.

And since I am well versed in the demonstrated techniques and know of the abilities inside and out and how they function (not to mention the actual demonstrations on real people) there is little to doubt about the ability to execute such an event.

pontificator
11-30-2015, 06:40 AM
Don't worry, I'm still alive :) Just extremely busy with end of year matters at work and other bits and pieces. Personally my opinion on the ET threatening matter is that is all that they can do, because they cannot actually cause you harm without causing irreparable damage to their own agenda somehow; yes, that got their attention, really well.

I suspect I may be in a similar position, but then again I tend to put two and two together, so it's a bit outside of the realm of regurgitating information they have told me or you. In some ways I suspect there is a different protocol for them to follow for "natively" created information, as opposed to information being disclosed specifically.

Now, as for all this 4D, 5D, law of one stuff, I personally don't know much about it to be honest. There is very little concrete analysis on it that catches my attention, and usually if something catches my attention there is something to it. So all I can say is it doesn't grab my attention, and I consider that to mean there is nothing there; now if something about it caught my attention, you could expect me to be all over it.

@LW, rather than trying meditation you could simply concentrate on targeting, it's a simple skill that can get results, especially if combined with knowledge siphoning.

montalk
11-30-2015, 09:29 AM
I've been in contact with spirits or ET's for a few years now, which of it, I don't know. I was hoping someone could clear it up for me.

I suspect I'm in contact with a 4D entity (by Law of One description), it's semi-advanced, but I've encountered far more advanced entities (5D+ suspectedly), that tweaked around with audible sound in very cool ways. Extremely cool sounds that I could literally hear with my own ears.

Regardless of how they communicate or what phenomena they create, what matters most (in my experience) is the content of what they say, and the ultimate effects their interaction has on you and, through you, upon others. If they are relatively benevolent, the proof will be in the content and effects.

Here's an excerpt from my Discerning Alien Disinformation (http://montalk.net/alien/147/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-3) article:



Methods (of manipulation/disinformation) include:


Appealing to blind respect for authority
Appealing to false and limiting assumptions
Appealing to emotional biases
Appealing to a need for safety, security, and certainty
Appealing to the ego’s desire for identity and specialness
Appealing to boredom through tantalizing and entertaining stories
Appealing to skepticism to ridicule the truth
Appealing to mental lassitude by presenting an unnecessarily simplistic picture
Offering a false outlet for good intentions
Using logical sleights of hand
Forcing a choice between two equally false opposites
Providing misleading evidence
Staging artificial corroboration through seemingly independent sources


How can one tell if a source is peddling disinformation and not just innocently expressing a differing opinion? It is true that people can unwittingly pass on half-truths after having bought into them, but the question concerns the ultimate source of those ideas. The answer is that the intentionality behind disinformation gives its flaws a pointed direction. In other words, the flaws are too clever and directional to be unintentional, bearing the signature of crafty intelligence beneath its projected guise of innocence.

[...]

The “Core Deception” contains the following key elements:


Encouraging suspension of discernment
Misapplying spiritual principles
Spinning the unavoidable facts
Framing alien interference in divine light or destiny
Threatening with consequences of not cooperating
Enticing through promises and rewards
Taking naive assumptions toward false conclusions
Manipulating emotions through euphemisms and dysphemisms
Debasing humanity
Scapegoating corrupt human leadership
Securing amnesty for corrupt human leadership
Glorifying the alien image and appealing to sympathy
Coercing individual and collective consent
Demanding unification and integration of humans with aliens
Limiting awareness of hyperdimensional reality
Offering false dichotomies through role swapping




So whatever they tell you in the future, or have told you already, just keep the above in mind.


I kind of want to get in contact with the higher-order entities again. Know how I could get this done?
I have some great friends among them, and I think they will not be very upset with me posting this.

I believe it feels like something is blocking these friends of mine from communicating clearly with me.

Should I meditate, even though I hate it? Having ADHD and all.

Well I don't meditate either, at least not in a "take my mind off the hook" method. If this were me, though, I would either try to increase my psi abilities per the methods described in the discussions on this thread so that I could hear them, or I would practice lucid dreaming to meet 'virtually' in the dreamspace. In conjunction, I would also go through a spiritual hygiene routine to get rid of impure motives and bad attitudes because I don't think Higher Order Entities reward impropriety.

Based on the emails I've gotten over the years and things I've seen on blogs and forums, there are legions of otherworldly/discarnate tricksters just chomping at the bit to get themselves a "pet human" whom they can feed false information and gradually take away their freewill, discernment, and connection to spirit. That's why I would rather do the hygiene thing, turn up my discernment, and hopefully thereby distance myself from those entities and closer to the genuine beings. Or else just not push for contact at all, as sometimes achieving the positive can bring on the negative per an action-reaction principle.

A99
11-30-2015, 01:25 PM
With all due respect to the participators in this current conversation, as a side note concerning the topic of meditation, I can relate to what contactee Enrique Villanueva said about it in his Jar Mag. interview by Paola Harris:

PH: When you say raise the vibration, does that mean that people have to be, at that particular moment, on a certain vibratory level for them to communicate? And does that mean always using meditation to get to that level?

EV: No, not always meditation, because you can have the attitude of meditation even when you are awake. If you have been practicing meditation for a long time, you can be in a state of meditation even when you are talking to people, buying in the stores. So I think the goal is to try to get that level of balance, of inner balance between your physical, your mental and your spiritual.

http://www.jar-magazine.com/10-interviews/11-paola-harris-interviews-enrique-villanueva-part-2

As a long time meditator and one who experienced a spontaneous Kundalini back in the 90’s, I can relate very well to what Enrique is saying here because I experience the same thing too.

Non-meditator's would not understand what Enrique is really saying but I understand it perfectly. I can be in that state and be completely awake and lucid. This is the way I am when I take time out everyday for my "meditation" session.

A99
11-30-2015, 02:19 PM
Also, I myself do not ever go into deep meditation or trance states like channelers/mediums. The reason why is because "spirits lie" and possess. They or other kinds of intelligences, like archons or whatever one chooses to call them, for example, are tricksters who can pose as anything they want. Therefore, no one, and I mean NO ONE, knows with absolute certainty that whatever they are communicating with is not a trickster intelligence of any sort that's posing as whatever you want it to be even if whatever you would prefer is only known to you on a subconscious level.

If you are sci-fi oriented, it'll be beings from other planets and etc....

Even if the message resonates with you, don't underestimate the intelligence of such intelligences. They know exactly what to say to get you hooked for more information from them.

It is a supreme form of arrogance and completely narcissistic to think that you can discern and see through what these intelligences are posing as something that they are not... that is, unless you're Jesus/God. lol

I'm not saying that some contactee's are not in contact with intelligence's from other planets or parallel worlds, but to say that one is absolutely certain that that's what they are in contact with is extremely naive.

calikid
11-30-2015, 03:08 PM
@A99
I'm not sure I see your point.
When you use labels like "Arrogant" and "naive", and absolutes like "NO ONE", it comes across as confrontational.
Better to relate your opinion without pre-criticising dissenting viewpoints.

Was your point that you can attain communication through meditation, but it is too dangerous ("trickster intelligence", etc.) and should not be attempted?

If you can, please add some clarity to where you are going with this, without the antagonistic preamble.

A99
11-30-2015, 05:03 PM
Oh, sorry. I'll try better next time then.

A99
11-30-2015, 05:08 PM
No one can be absolutely certain that whatever they are communicating with is not some kind of trickster intelligence posing as an alien.
Anyone who says that they are absolutely certain that they are communicating to an alien is very naive.

Going into a deep trance like what channelers do opens the door for trickster entities. This included deep meditation because that's just another way of saying "trance-state". Most likely, any entity that come through is a trickster entity and those type of intelligence's are extremely intelligent. They know exactly what to say to hook their victim to want to continue communicating with them.

If, for example, the host is into sci-fi, they will pose as an alien: just to give an example of what I'm talking about here.

(But regardless what state of consciousness the alleged alien contactee is in or what techniques and mindset they are in when communicating with them including a focused mindset or whatever they want to call it, no one is able to discern with 100% accuracy that they are really in contact with an alien as opposed to some other intelligence that is only posing as an alien.)

In short, never underestimate the intelligence of these type of entities. Some can even be human disincarnates too. So we are not just talking about what some call archons or demons etc.

This is not to say that I do not believe that there are alien contactee's out there but we are not 100 percent sure that what they are really in contact is an alien. It is at the height of arrogance for any contactee out there to claim that they are able to discern with 100% accuracy that what they are in contact with is an alien as opposed to some kind of trickster intelligence. Only Jesus/God is able to discern like that.

A99
11-30-2015, 05:42 PM
The same goes for mediums who claim to communicate with the dead. We don't know if who they are communicating with is not really just trickster entities instead. There are mediums who are completely awake and lucid who can communicate with the dead... or rather, what they assume is someone on the other side. It makes no difference what techniques they use to contact/communicate with the dead or what state of consciousness they are in, but once again, for them to say that they are absolutely 100% certain that that is who they are communicating with, is very naive. Only Jesus/God knows for certain.

Back to trance states. Rudolph Steiner stated that only those mediums who are in an awake state of consciousness who contact the dead can be trusted more (though not 100% even for them too) as opposed to the ones who go into a trance state. It was his opinion that the ones who went into trance states were more likely to be communicating with trickster entities instead. And there's always more of a potential for entity possession when in a trance state too. So he encouraged mediums to contact the dead when in an awake and lucid state of consciousness only for those reasons just stated.

mek
11-30-2015, 06:31 PM
Hi all, I'm one who channels some aliens etc. at times. Wanted to say that you can never be certain, about the entity, what he is about really. One has to evaluate, like any information, whether it is true or false or something in between. Even with people one can't say what some person tells you is true, lie or something the person didn't know himself either. So well it's really the same with spirits. Believing is what I've noticed to be actually harmful, since why base something on belief that something is true or false? There are possibilities for both, but well just the word believing sounds to me pretty gullible. So don't believe in what some spirit says is what I would recommend to everyone.

I've actually been told by a spirit, as I did some channeling some time ago, the following copy paste.

Q: Can one hold channeled information as truth?
A: One can’t, although it would be true, but one can’t hold it as truth. This is due to that the entities of the spiritual world act, when one channels, a bit suggestively, so they want to influence into the thinking of the channeler more than to tell truthful information.

There are spirits, whose information I value, but still one has to always watch out for not let the information go though as far as believing into it. I need some more for getting me to believe into what I've been told, like a reasonable logical explanation, that seems to me sound enough to hold some occasional information as a bit better than disinformation.

Fore
11-30-2015, 06:59 PM
With all due respect to the participators in this current conversation, as a side note concerning the topic of meditation, I can relate to what contactee Enrique Villanueva said about it in his Jar Mag. interview by Paola Harris:

PH: When you say raise the vibration, does that mean that people have to be, at that particular moment, on a certain vibratory level for them to communicate? And does that mean always using meditation to get to that level?

EV: No, not always meditation, because you can have the attitude of meditation even when you are awake. If you have been practicing meditation for a long time, you can be in a state of meditation even when you are talking to people, buying in the stores. So I think the goal is to try to get that level of balance, of inner balance between your physical, your mental and your spiritual.

http://www.jar-magazine.com/10-interviews/11-paola-harris-interviews-enrique-villanueva-part-2I'd like to say that the section highlighted is how I am. (around the clock)

Even without psychic functionality (as I am now) the state of mind still persists. The ET's never taught me about meditation though I knew of it.

They just required a state of mind that was cleaner than my default state. So they taught me how to focus, how to control influence fields (indirectly at first) and then control the biology through those influence fields.

The scheme for (their brand) of psychic operation is pretty tight. It requires [perpetual] mental clarity and the ability to focus multiple items at the same time. The organics of your own body are controlled via influence fields.

So for that reason (just realized this while writing it) it is probably why it seems like second nature to influence other organic systems that do not belong to your own body. (?)

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I realize that isn't the way meditation works (well as far as I know). Meditation seems to be more of a mental exercise that sets the right mood for the body to follow in step with the exercise.

Most exercises I have seen in videos on the internet seems to focus on meditation through mental calming. While the ET version is about controlling influence fields and the ability to do so renders control over organic processes and "subtle processes" (intentionally vague). Which is where you'll see how this ties in into the next post.




The same goes for mediums who claim to communicate with the dead. We don't know if who they are communicating with is not really just trickster entities instead. There are mediums who are completely awake and lucid who can communicate with the dead... or rather, what they assume is someone on the other side. It makes no difference what techniques they use to contact/communicate with the dead or what state of consciousness they are in, but once again, for them to say that they are absolutely 100% certain that that is who they are communicating with, is very naive. Only Jesus/God knows for certain.I don't disagree, but there are a few 'IF' and 'Buts'.

Next post skims over it.

Fore
11-30-2015, 07:19 PM
By the way, this ties into what Pontif wrote a while back. If you are insightful after reading the last post, you'll notice the connections. (Speaking to the audience, not any single individual)

There are two (basically speaking and generalized) interfaces with which you interact with an unseen entity.
(Note: Yes, there are more than two but for simplicity....)

There are the organic level perception(s) and there are ESP level perception. Someone ET just psychically scanned me...geeze

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The organic level perception is where the representation (through one of various forms of "telepathy") is interfaced with the mind of the individual.

If you read the last point, it should be pretty obvious that if you can control influence fields and the data it carries, you can change the representation that is felt and experienced by the observer.

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There is also the ESP that extends outside beyond the body of the observer. That is several degrees harder to fake. (not impossible, just harder)

Most ET's are lazy (at least the ones I knew), they prefer easy solutions vs complicated ones.
The Competency of the observer changes the equation of what is required to fake an ESP pickup.

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Most ET's will simply employ a "simple" combination of organic perception control.
What you think you see, isn't always what is actually there. It is fabricated/manipulated and then inserted, absorbed, processed and rendered by your mind.

There is a problem though, targeting efficiency vs proximity.

The further away an ET is from the targeted influence field they are affecting, the more difficult it is to keep updating it. (bidirectional updates)
(read Pontif prior post (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/showthread.php?291-What-we-think-we-know-so-far&p=42559&viewfull=1#post42559) to understand why)

There are two [basic] levels (that I know of) for manipulating organic perception.
--You can fool around with the content being injected into an influence field. So if they want your mind to render a cute cheerleader or a spooky owl, they can do that.
--They can also inject influence signals into your field in a slightly different way; not to target the mind rendering aspects but to tap into "raw" organic feeds.

The latter means that your eye perceives the real object, but the raw data in your influence fields, the ones that carry that data are rewritten.

So what you end up with is a very tactile facsimile (or in some cases the lack of it) of what you see.
This requires almost the ET to be right next to you, as the control and updating is pretty invasive and involved.

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The easy way to understand that last block of text:

There is a way to spoof "mental" perception.
There is a way to spoof "Physical organic" perception.

Spoof:

http://i.imgur.com/NUX6Rki.png

A99
11-30-2015, 07:29 PM
With all due respect to the participators in this current conversation, as a side note concerning the topic of meditation, I can relate to what contactee Enrique Villanueva said about it in his Jar Mag. interview by Paola Harris:

PH: When you say raise the vibration, does that mean that people have to be, at that particular moment, on a certain vibratory level for them to communicate? And does that mean always using meditation to get to that level?

EV: No, not always meditation, because you can have the attitude of meditation even when you are awake. If you have been practicing meditation for a long time, you can be in a state of meditation even when you are talking to people, buying in the stores. So I think the goal is to try to get that level of balance, of inner balance between your physical, your mental and your spiritual.

http://www.jar-magazine.com/10-interviews/11-paola-harris-interviews-enrique-villanueva-part-2

As a long time meditator and one who experienced a spontaneous Kundalini back in the 90’s, I can relate very well to what Enrique is saying here because I experience the same thing too.

Non-meditator's would not understand what Enrique is really saying but I understand it perfectly. I can be in that state and be completely awake and lucid. This is the way I am when I take time out everyday for my "meditation" session.

Fore, you left out the part in my post above where I'm saying that I am completely wide awake and lucid when I do my "meditation" sessions. Only long time meditator's know what I'm talking about.

Anyway, refer back to what contactee Enrique Villanueva stated in that interview, in his own way, he explained it very well. It's not meditation as one thinks of it. Granted it IS a slightly altered state of consciousness, one is still completely awake and lucid when "meditating". This comes after years of meditating. I can even be washing the dishes or doing some kind of mundane task when in that state.

As for what your contacts taught you, well, all I can say is that if it works for you then that's fine. But once again, when I meditate, I'm even more awake than what one calls, being awake. I use meditation not to relax but to gain energy and mental clarity. Those are the effects I experience during and after my sessions.

Fore
11-30-2015, 07:45 PM
ESP perception is a different kind of problem.

ESP works on (basically) a simple premise.

Two influence fields generated by two individuals cross, and they mutually react and share data about what it just interacted with.

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In other words,
If your field bumps and intersects another field, it immediately picks up the difference in the characteristics and it pops up in your mind that something (other than you: as in foreign in origin) just crossed into your field.

Those influence fields contain raw data. They are usually shaped by the body that exudes them into an exterior environment. They contain data about the body they originated from, including the sculpted personality behind it.

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The ET bag of tricks to keep a competent observer from noticing the differences between the organic perception and the actual ESP data is to simply either Hide their field so it is difficult to perceive.

Contradictions between ESP and organic perception usually would make people more aware that what they experience might not be really there. An illusion.

Another ET trick is simply to pump out random [static] like a buffer zone between the observer and themselves. The influence "static" generated is so dynamic that the observer cannot see anything other than randomized junk influence data. Data that has no identity to it. It is a sort of randomizing field trick.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HQGIgwZWKkY/maxresdefault.jpg

A99
11-30-2015, 07:45 PM
I would like to try your techniques. I'm open minded. Just point to where I should start. thanks :)

I know your language now after years of reading over your material.

Fore
11-30-2015, 07:55 PM
So what is the point I am making?

Basically consider that most low end psychics and better than 90% of the human population do not have access to ESP capabilities.

The normal human being has their fields inside their body. If it extends outwards, it will only be by a few inches at best.

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So a simple scheme of rewriting organic perception is more than enough to throw off a casual observer.

Anything above a casual observer, and they can apply ESP tricks 1 and 2 and there shouldn't be an issue.

Of course, there are flaws/weaknesses to each process and limits and ample room for mistakes.

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It is simply easier to rarely engage someone consciously and interrupt their conscious observation [i.e. induce sleep remotely] as you approach from a safe distance.

If an ET chooses to engage someone frequently it is assumed they have low quality connection to that person. Usually a mental voice phenomena through telepathy can be done at great distances.

At arms distance you can obviously do alot more than just that.

A99
11-30-2015, 09:00 PM
I need time to read over this entire thread. Will take notes and start that sometime this evening.

Fore
11-30-2015, 09:28 PM
Okay, but I will be in and out between now and the end of December. My responses will vary in time frame.

A99
12-01-2015, 12:33 AM
Ok. I'll keep that in mind.

pontificator
12-02-2015, 11:58 AM
Ok. I'll keep that in mind.

If you need an active target for practice, then I'll be on hand, but be aware that the majority of people who practice with me seem to experience "rapid" development of abilities they might not yet have control of.
However, it can be useful for pushing yourself up to a level that might otherwise be difficult for you to reach normally, and the process itself can increase your base level of ability after repeated exposure; I initially did this by targeting both Fore's and ET fields, but now I really don't need to do that anymore, also it can be useful as a boost into "uncharted" territory.

The above applies to anyone needing to learn or to jump-start their field, but please give a heads-up first, as I don't want to run an experiment on someone I mistake for another entity type.

A99
12-03-2015, 01:09 PM
You've got my heads up pont and it would be an honor to have your guidance in these exercises. I do need some structure though so if you could give me your first directive, to get started on this, I would be very appreciative. I've been around a long time now so I'm familiar with these techniques but I do need a refresher hence why I'm reading over past posts in this thread. Anyway, I'm ready to go... I already had one experience the other night that indicated to me that "someone" scanned me. I saw an unrecognizable face with big eyes rapidly flash nose to nose, in front of mine when I momentarily closed my eyes. I was on my computer at that time.

It caught me by surprise, that's for sure.

I momentarily closed my eyes at that time because when I'm my computer all day, sometimes my eyes get tired and my vision gets a little blurry. So I closed my eyes for a few seconds to remoisturize them for more visual clarity. I have the heat on now in my apt. and sometimes that dry air causes my eyes to dry out a bit. I use moisturizing eyedrops to help with this problem too.

Fore
12-03-2015, 04:43 PM
I'd recommend she try generating the "influence static" I wrote about above. That requires less ability/talent than most other features.

It's simple enough and the psychic features required are pretty low.

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The easiest path I assume is for her to generate a psi ball in the palm of her hand and then attempt to modify the influence around her hand into a static. The first thing I'd expect her to experience is some extensive trouble in polling the influence in her hand.

Note: The Influence structures that are embedded in your arm on their default configuration usually won't "do" advanced tricks like that from the get go. The structures in your body are pre-designed to perform only one general purpose which is to basically generate your personal influence.

So manipulating the influence structures to generate influence noise (while easier than other talents) is still a somewhat involved process.

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You'll need some basic kinds of (mental interface) control over your influence. Not just basic issues like moving influence or pooling influence in one area/structure of your body, but to also change the influences properties on command.

It is easier than it sounds, but there is a requirement of various things that make it all work.

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Usually in an ET driven setting, the first thing they would have done is run basic ability tests to determine what you can and cannot do easily.
Or they would have just read your psychic profile and determined what they need to know from scanning.

Note: Keep in mind I don't mind walking you through each step with written words, but I am not going to engage in anything psychic related. You'll need pontif for all that.

Also keep in mind, for each step you'll be sort of blindly tested to see if you develop the correct symptoms and side effects. We usually won't tell you what they are as you'll have to be the one to develop it, describe it and then display those symptoms on your own. Then I'd let you know what the symptoms tell you about your progress and where to refine the process.

In other words, it is a way of keeping things honest to each other.

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The static configuration though is something you shouldn't use too often as it has unknown side effects. I only know I was told not to use it more than three times per day. (probably a good reason, I just don't actually know why)

Generating the static configuration may cause various kinds of physiological side effects. Some discomfort may result. (probably due to proximity)

Another useful aspect is that it will interrupt psychic communication (for a period of time) and/or psychic connections to other people/entities. So it is useful in it's own way.

A99
12-03-2015, 06:43 PM
Please give me step by step instructions on how you create psi balls Fore. Just looked on the internet and there seems to be quite a number of different ways to do that. But how do you do it?

A99
12-03-2015, 08:42 PM
Ok, you made it pretty clear on building a psi ball ... simple and direct. Will practice on that.

Fore
12-04-2015, 05:18 AM
Please give me step by step instructions on how you create psi balls Fore. Just looked on the internet and there seems to be quite a number of different ways to do that. But how do you do it?Well, the way I would have done it is a different implementation. For me to build a psi ball in the past was nothing more than intending to do it. At worst I would just tell the higher aspects (my own "higher mind") to perform the task and my hand would build up a pressure.

In other words, what worked for me won't likely work for you in your current way of doing things. (I may be wrong though)

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1)To start you off you'll need a reliable form of a control mechanism.

Usually you need to have a strong degree of "self control".
When I mean self-control we aren't _just_ talking about a normal type of "mental" control.
It's not all just about making your inner world quiet and serene.

Your "lower mind"/mental aspect is only really used as "a method" to issue directives.

In other words, you are going to use your normal mindset to generate instructions
that other unseen parts (of you) then take in and perform an action upon.
So the mechanism that actually makes things work, is not your normal waking
mind that everyone uses every day. It acts just as a go-between.

The tricky aspect is learning to bind things together seamlessly, so that when you want to perform
a complex task; you'd simply pass along the specific instructions and the invisible aspects of you
goes to work on that task.

Of course, there is more than one way to cook an egg. So you don't have to use the ET way of doing things.
You could always find a more earthly implementation and just go with that. But I am not too sure if anyone
could really use one of those implementations to get the most benefit out of it.

There are several ways to bind the invisible aspects to your known mental side, but it requires some time and effort.
Different people seem to develop at different rates.

How do you want to proceed?

A99
12-04-2015, 12:41 PM
Ok, let's do it the way your ETs told you which I am to assume, in this case, with static psi balls is where they started you off at as a low psychic person. :)

But rest assured, if I see that the only thing I'm experiencing are headaches, nausea and what have you, then I will not be interested in continuing on. Anything that hurts like that is "negative" and I want no part of it as it suggests demonic influences.

What did your ETs say was the objective of psi balls? Will I be able to throw one and cause some kind of demonstrable effect that can be recorded via camera? Like I always say, the proof is in the pudding. I'm exhaust to ask you for proof of your own abilities as for some weird reason you have set yourself above making such gestures where we are supposed to just take your word for it that you used to be able to do this stuff before, for some odd reason, you chose not prove any of your claims on what you say you can do because it's beneath you. lol

But having said this, if one of the mods here who stick up for you all the time want to walk you through this psi ball lesson where they will provide feedback on the physical effects they are feeling when practicing it, I'm all for that! It's odd that none of them have been even participating in this looooong thread.

This said, back at OMF, I did read over those posts by those who had participated in this painful static psi ball exercise but my impression of it was that they were experiencing headaches because either they were practicing more than an hour a day at it or via the power of suggestion.

But once again, anything that causes pain is a "no go" in my book. Sorry, but I want no part of it.

A99
12-04-2015, 01:22 PM
My request to practice those exercises introduced in this thread was only for good intentions Fore. I DO believe, even without any proof on your part, that you are an ET contactee. No question about that. But I have a job, one that puts food on my table and pays the rent. I can't afford to practice at something that's going to cause me to be sick or suffer pain. When I'm sick, I can't work... or rather, it slows me down. I have deadlines to meet.

I'm all for psychic development though but not anything that's going to cause physical pain. Besides that, I've paid my dues when it comes to psychic development and I've even got physical material to prove what I'm capable of. I would love to try things out the ET way but don't want to do this static psi ball exercise.

A99
12-04-2015, 01:48 PM
All of this reminds me of "The Test" scene on pages 4 and 5 of Frank Herbert's "Dune":

"Put your right hand in the box," she said.

Fear shot through Paul. He started to back away, but the old woman said: "Is this how you obey your mother?"

He looked up into bird-bright eyes.

Slowly, feeling the compulsions and unable to inhibit them, Paul put his hand into the box. He felt first a sense of cold as the blackness closed around his hand, then slick metal against his fingers and a prickling as though his hand were asleep.

A predatory look filled the old woman's features. She lifted her right hand away from the box and poised the hand close to the side of Paul's neck. He saw a glint of metal there and started to turn toward

"Stop!" she snapped.

Using the Voice again! He swung his attention back to her face.

"I hold at your neck the gom jabbar," she said. "The gom jabbar, the high-handed enemy. It's a needle with a drop of poison on its tip. Ah-ah! Don't pull away or you'll feel that poison."

Paul tried to swallow in a dry throat. He could not take his attention from the seamed old face, the glistening eyes, the pale gums around silvery metal teeth that flashed as she spoke.

"A duke's son must know about poisons," she said. "It's the way of our times, eh? Musky, to be poisoned in your drink. Aumas, to be poisoned in your food. The quick ones and the slow ones and the ones in between. Here's a new one for you: the gom jabbar. It kills only animals."

Pride overcame Paul's fear. "You dare suggest a duke's son is an animal?" he demanded.

"Let us say I suggest you may be human," she said. "Steady! I warn you not to try jerking away. I am old, but my hand can drive this needle into your neck before you escape me."

Fore
12-04-2015, 08:21 PM
Ok, let's do it the way your ETs told you which I am to assume, in this case, with static psi balls is where they started you off at as a low psychic person. :) No, they didn't start off with anything like "PSI ball". It was a totally different regiment and sets of testing and experimentation.

We are only using "PSI ball" phenomena because it is the easiest task that most people could actually perform. It's literally accumulating influence at one end of their body. I don't think it could get any easier than that.

The bar is set low enough that the barriers to success are set reasonably low.


But rest assured, if I see that the only thing I'm experiencing are headaches, nausea and what have you, then I will not be interested in continuing on. Anything that hurts like that is "negative" and I want no part of it as it suggests demonic influences. I don't see how you are going to be able to escape those side effects of psychic development.

If you increase your influence field beyond a normal [significant] threshold you'll eventually notice the fields themselves interfering with your organic body and it's processes. This is usually only temporary until you eventually develop sustainable external structures that transitions the influence field around the outside of your body. Something that only really exists in ET's and other Higher order life forms. (Though I have seen some rare ordinary human beings who have them, not usually well formed though)

Your statement is kind of a curious one for that reason. If you know of a way to amplify the fields to a certain extent and never cause the inconveniences mentioned before, then I am literally hanging off the edge of my seat for this information. (very interested)

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Anyway, the psi-ball exercise, as mentioned before is a simple exercise to demonstrate a specific kind of influence modification. You won't really require any intense forms of influence. As long as you can intensify the field to the point that it "feels" like you hand is enveloped in it, then that is sufficient for this exercise.


What did your ETs say was the objective of psi balls? No ET is involved in any of these exercises and I haven't had any involvement with any one of them for more than a year or two. So it is just an exercise between you and me and Pontif.

The objective is to see if you can [rapidly] poll influence into different states, thereby generating the dynamic "static". Near the end of the exercise, when you have clearly indicated all the correct symptoms that I expect to see, you should be able to recreate the effect around the area of you head.

Thereby inducing for a short period of time an interruption of any external psychic communication. (usually, will last less than a day)

(I am not feeling too well as of writing these series of points and ascertaining what other points I should explain. I am going to have to post in pieces to keep the discomfort to a minimum.)

Fore
12-04-2015, 09:24 PM
Will I be able to throw one and cause some kind of demonstrable effect that can be recorded via camera? Like I always say, the proof is in the pudding. There are several small problems with that.

--You're seemingly apprehensive about your field at intensities where they would manifest changes in the environment including within your organic body.
--You have tied the idea that headaches, nausea, (etc) are specifically related to demonic interference.
Which is by itself true, but, it is more specifically about interfacing influence fields and the tissue that gets in the way that causes the pain itself.

You are looking at several distinct issues that have a tight relationship with each other.

Intensity VS Modulation Type VS What kind of Interference VS Scale

Intensity: You can generate a massive influence field with a high intensity that would not move the thinnest slice of paper.

Why?

Because the Modulation Type matters.

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It's not obvious at first, but when you are using your wrists/arms influence structures to generate noise. The noise that is emitted is going to be of a very limited range. Your structures are designed for their specific purpose which is to infuse your skin and tissues with a specific influence that you can then influence. (Including your brain activity)

So consider that when you point the camera at your hand, you won't be seeing anything (normally). You'll only notice it in your own conscious domain as you are connected to your structures and they in turn feed you information about what is happening with that area of your structure.

Note: That is the beginning of ESP, it is just within the periphery of your body still.

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So if you want to create physical phenomena so you can capture on camera you will have to change the Modulation Type. To some significant degree you'd also have to change the Scale and Intensity of the field being influenced.

Some aspects of the influence code that you are changing relate to physical phenomena, some of it to less visible phenomena like what carries encoded information about your thoughts and sights etc. You have more than one kind of observation beyond your physical eyes and ears.

But most people only experience that when they develop a more robust influence field. Specifically, an influence field that exists beyond the immediate confines of the organic body...in my lingo you'll see me describe it as an EFM. External Field Manipulation. It acts like an extra-sensory body.

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So if you want your "Psi Ball" phenomena to produce a static that also affects physical properties of space/time then, you'll need alot of talent and an underlying system capable of production of an exterior influence field. You could probably do it with an IFM (Internal Field Manipulation) within your own body, but what would result is probably internal damage to the tissues of your body.

That is why ET's (during experimentation) try to see if you develop an EFM. A controlled internal field (and it's interface mechanism) that ties into your External Field at certain points along your physical body, but the psychic actions are conducted by the External Field which is free floating and safely beyond the confines of the physical tissue.

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Modulation types also seem to also (somewhat) gives you access to 4 Dimensional information. Where data is obtained beyond the immediate present time frame at which your physical body is currently located.

The extra sensory "body" is not completely immersed nor completely a part of a physical medium. So it can experience or retrieve data which is not accessible to a physical organic system.

The ET version of all these things is all very modular with lots of small details and specifics.

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In short, you can make your lights blink on and off on command, or make your camera malfunction just by directive, but you need to understand there are alot of little details that makes everything work together. All of it is very down to earth and realistic. No voodoo or mysticism necessary.

A flexible mental interface to your abilities is a requirement. There are alot of other requirements. Each one makes a functional system and defines it's operation. (and as always there is more than one way to cook an egg)

Fore
12-04-2015, 09:46 PM
I'm exhaust to ask you for proof of your own abilities as for some weird reason you have set yourself above making such gestures where we are supposed to just take your word for it that you used to be able to do this stuff before, for some odd reason, you chose not prove any of your claims on what you say you can do because it's beneath you. lol If you keep reading, you'll eventually come across why.


But having said this, if one of the mods here who stick up for you all the time want to walk you through this psi ball lesson where they will provide feedback on the physical effects they are feeling when practicing it, I'm all for that! It's odd that none of them have been even participating in this looooong thread. Alot of people do not participate anymore.

And Pontif has also posted entire conversations (with mods) included.

I can lead a member to water, but will it drink?


This said, back at OMF, I did read over those posts by those who had participated in this painful static psi ball exercise but my impression of it was that they were experiencing headaches because either they were practicing more than an hour a day at it or via the power of suggestion.

But once again, anything that causes pain is a "no go" in my book. Sorry, but I want no part of it.Poop, should have read up to this line and saved myself the typing time.

Anyway, headaches, (not everyone experiences them by the way), are a symptoms of psychic system with poor circulation, or abnormal discharges, clots, etc.

If you want to generate an influence field that can do something, you'd put up with it until your system is clean enough where influence flows swiftly. At that point, it works without any pain. (actually, just turning on you higher features actually feels good.)

As far as I can tell, influence systems appear to require an "always on" configuration. You can't seemingly Yo-Yo between an on and off state. That is very painful.

I have noticed that lower end psychic who don't have much in the way of advanced functionality do not really have these problems. It seems they basically never reach a state where an extensive list of features are operating around the clock. What I am relating is basically on a different league.

A simple Psi Ball and dynamic static is not exactly an involved routine.

Fore
12-04-2015, 10:00 PM
The intent A99, was a benign one.

If you displayed the correct range of symptoms and the feedback was normal, I would have just let you know to perform the same exercise around your head area. That in turn would have made you lose psychic communication for a short period of time.

Assuming you do that more than once over a span of a couple of days, then it would become evident (for you) that it is a new tool for you to use whenever you consider it necessary to apply it.

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I don't expect anything I'd do would change your views.
At the least it would be interesting to see what happens
when your lines of association with other entities become
temporarily interrupted.

I wanted to see your reaction in that exercise. I was also
hoping to know more what happens if you use it more than
three times in a 24 hour span of time.

At the very least it would have been insightful.

A99
12-04-2015, 10:43 PM
I haven't read you last post but something happened last night when I closed my eyes, briefly. Granted I'm very busy so this thread and your lessons were the furthest thing from my mind at that moment but I saw something, a being, in a catastrophic scene that flashed in and out very rapidly. Aside of those inner eye visions I get occasionally when I "meditate", in this case, once again, just like a few days ago, I was not "meditating" yet it popped in anyway. Things like this do not happen when I'm not participating in this forum but now it's starting up again. lol

I know that somehow it's connected to you. Anyway, I'm still processing what I saw in that vision.

I'll stop by later to read over your newest post later as I'm busy with something else now.