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Fore
12-05-2015, 06:50 AM
I haven't read you last post but something happened last night when I closed my eyes, briefly. Granted I'm very busy so this thread and your lessons were the furthest thing from my mind at that moment but I saw something, a being, in a catastrophic scene that flashed in and out very rapidly. Aside of those inner eye visions I get occasionally when I "meditate", in this case, once again, just like a few days ago, I was not "meditating" yet it popped in anyway. Things like this do not happen when I'm not participating in this forum but now it's starting up again. lol

All I can say is two things. It ain't me. And...your not the only one.

While I have not had any flashes of thoughts or anything. I can say that any time I post something somewhat useful in the paranormal category, there is an upshot of paranormal activity.

I usually try to stay out of the paranormal topics. (not including the psychic chit chat like what we are having now)

I've suspected for a good long time now that at least one or more unidentified members visiting this site has a serious paranormal problem.

And for whatever reason, if you go into paranormal subjects and say something poignant, there is a noticeable jump in activity at my end. As it is not ET related, it leaves me to suspect it is someone with a serious case of paranormal issues.

The spiritual entities that show up I don't recognize at all, so they are unfamiliar and pretty nasty.




I know that somehow it's connected to you. Anyway, I'm still processing what I saw in that vision.

I'll stop by later to read over your newest post later as I'm busy with something else now.It's not me. That's for sure.

It can only be someone human who is watching or reading through our conversation(s) who has a really nasty case of spiritual attachments/infestation on their back. (And I may be mistaken, but at times I "wonder" if it isn't a directed activity)

I too tend to avoid writing on the forum anything useful at times just to avoid the stray connections/attention.

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If I stay away, the stray appearance of anything paranormal seems to go down to nothing.
If I come back and say anything somewhat useful-like, boom, a few hours later I have a stray uninvited Spiritual.

So either someone is sending them, or there is a casual connection of spiritual looking over peoples proverbial shoulders.

Fore
12-05-2015, 07:23 AM
The strangest thing about spiritual entities from other members over the years is that they are usually either not-comment worthy appearances and disappearances. Or they come in the other variety that is noticeably....malevolent.

I dunno if it's me, but the spirituals I used to know aren't as bad (relatively speaking) as the entities some members bring into the picture.
Some of them are really strange. Like something you'd expect to crawl out of a dark hole somewhere with someone involved in some kind of satanic worshiping or something??

I dunno, perhaps I am just used to the types I once knew?

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Just a few nights ago (about three nights, or four ago), I was sleeping and suddenly became lucid in the sleep state. Next thing I knew I looked to my right in the dream. I noticed I was laying in a bed (in the dream) and something was laying next to me, when I looked over I saw a woman except when she looked back at me her eyes were all black.

When I looked at her eyes, I realized that "feeling" that the background control of the dream was "occupied" by someone other than me. The thing (spiritual entity) pretending to take on the shape of a woman locked eyes with me and I noticed it wasn't a living presence. All that happened in about a few seconds.

The entity grabbed my head and forced me to look at it's dark eyes. Felt quite a bit of fear and since the real mind behind the appearance. Only thing that came to me as a reflex was to pray and ask God for protection while it was holding the sides of my head. I hadn't even said more than a few words into the prayer and the entity presenting it's appearance as a woman turned away and "locked up" facing away from me while both of us were still sitting in bed.

I pushed it away but it didn't react. I didn't think much else except about getting away and out of the dream state and the bed I was in. As I pushed its back, it turned invisible, but the "mass" of the presence was still there, only seemingly unresponsive but still solid. (seen this before by the way after prayer applied against malevolent spirituals within a dream)

The invisible "mass" still shaped as a woman seemed to be frozen out of accessing my consciousness and the dream state. Something gave though as I got out of bed and ran away, I heard a strange laughter echo around the dream but it was between a deep malevolent sounding voice and a female tone.

So I continued to run and again prayed and it ceased again. Then the dream state interrupted completely and as I was waking up fully I noticed I could hear my real body breathing rapidly and then I woke up it slowed down to a normal pace almost immediately. (Made a mental note to self that this pattern of breathing indicated distress while dreaming for future reference.)

As soon as I woke up I noticed the spiritual presence off to my top left in a corner and it seemed to be struggling. Prayed again for good measure and it was seemingly overcome and I couldn't perceive it anymore.

Since then I have been having residual partial headaches from having my influence field turned up a notch. (partial activation resulting from the incident)

I was lazy to get up out of bed but the time it occurred was around the end of 3am on that night.

A99
12-05-2015, 12:28 PM
1414

Your visitor's name might be "Isadora". Click on the thumbnail above which is a screenshot of one of my posts I made around 3PM in this thread for what is now, 2 days ago (Dec. 3rd).

Notice that in the "Reason for Edit" at the bottom of that post, I typed out the name "Isadora" because I wanted to see if you were familiar with that name. I had a lucid dream the night before where a woman said, "I am Isadora" and the impression I got was that she was connected to you or Ponti. That's why I put that name there in the "Reason for Edit" in that post. I was sensing that you or Ponti was being visited by an unseen female presence whose name is Isadora.

If she shows up again, call her out with that name and then take it from there if you get any kind of response from doing that.

PS -- she's a haunter. That's the impression I got when viewing that lucid dream. Sorry.

A99
12-05-2015, 03:10 PM
Suggestion: You may want to give this product a try to keep 'em away. (If it were only this easy...) :bleh:

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/DemonMax.jpg

Fore
12-05-2015, 04:54 PM
Here I am trying to be serious about something :p .

No, I don't recognize the name, anyway it's not like your average dead person gives you a business card to remember them by.
On the rare occasion they do tell you their name and some stray phone number, the info goes in one ear and out the other.
I don't keep a mental log of any of that unless it is somehow an event of a useful nature.

I don't talk to any paranormal nor direct any conversations towards them anymore. (and haven't for quite some time)

Edit: By the way, why are you concerned about me or Pontif sending something? I recall you have supposed paranormal connections? Why not just get those connected individuals of yours to cast those menacing presences into the void or the pearly gates....or wherever for you.

No need to be polite about it if you still think it is me, please by all means, off with their heads. Send them to kingdom come.
It's a simple solution and you won't have the same entity reappear. You'll even be doing us both the favor.

A99
12-05-2015, 06:20 PM
Typical Fore. I posted the name of that female who is haunting you in someway and I posted that name 2 days ago. Below is a screenshot of that post I made 2 days ago in this thread when I typed in the name "isadora" which can be seen at the bottom of the post after the word Reason.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/isadora.jpg

Now yesterday or last night, you posted that post about that very scary detailed lucid dream of a female phantom of some type that was in your bed in that lucid dream.

I know this is going to irritate you but once again I got a "hit".

But as usual, you always choose to ignore my psychic "hits". I'm used to it though and I'm not surprised that you're choosing to ignore it.

I suggested that if that female shows up again be it in a lucid dream or some other way, to call out the name Isadora and see what happens. You are saying that you do not engage in that way with phantoms or whatever. Fine.

But you'll never find out if "it" indicates to you that that is "her" name if you don't ask her. Unless she tells you without you asking. That may happen too, if she shows up again.

All I know it is NO coincidence that I got that name via a lucid dream which I was more or less told to post here in this thread wrt you or Ponti. Now I know it had to do with you and your connection to that female phantom.

That's the way I see it.

Fore
12-05-2015, 08:18 PM
Typical Fore. I posted the name of that female who is haunting you in someway and I posted that name 2 days ago. Below is a screenshot of that post I made 2 days ago in this thread when I typed in the name "isadora" which can be seen at the bottom of the post after the word Reason.

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/isadora.jpg

Now yesterday or last night, you posted that post about that very scary detailed lucid dream of a female phantom of some type that was in your bed in that lucid dream. I do not know, if that entity was named that.


I know this is going to irritate you but once again I got a "hit". If you say so. I do not personally acknowledge the hit.

Look, honestly, if you want to "irritate me" you could simply display a series of far more advanced psychic abilities that is approaching that of an ET. To be honest, I would not be the least irritated and far more like intrigued as to how you happened to do it.

But okay, in your mind, you have focused on the idea of irritation (?). So then, let yourself keep misjudging the situation and the people around you (?).


But as usual, you always choose to ignore my psychic "hits". I'm used to it though and I'm not surprised that you're choosing to ignore it. Sorry, I really do not know. If I had, and I were somehow trying to keep you from knowing. I wouldn't have shared the episode. Logical right?


I suggested that if that female shows up again be it in a lucid dream or some other way, to call out the name Isadora and see what happens. You are saying that you do not engage in that way with phantoms or whatever. Fine. Keep reading my thread and it will become obvious as to why.

I do not (any longer) communicate; nor try to acknowledge the presence of any spiritual entity.

If I have an entity issue, I pray and ask for the appropriate spiritual intervention or assistance.
I don't ask for any name, I don't look up it's ID nor use any psychic ability to that task.
I don't converse nor make any active acknowledgement that would somehow facilitate any semblance of communication.

Nor do I establish any subtle "rights" to communicate or any other "subtle" affirmation of any acceptance of that spiritual entity or it's presence in my life.

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All these rules were explained to me over time by the administering Angels who've explained what I do/did/kept doing wrong when encountering these situations.

I learned the lessons and why my actions used to facilitate an adverse situation.

For that specific reason (and many more) I decided to throw away any psychic activity. Once I understood the nature of the problem, I corrected my system of behavior.

If you continue reading this thread as you once said you would, all of that would be cleared up and you would fall into a state of actually understanding the situation.


But you'll never find out if "it" indicates to you that that is "her" name if you don't ask her. Unless she tells you without you asking. That may happen too, if she shows up again.

All I know it is NO coincidence that I got that name via a lucid dream which I was more or less told to post here in this thread wrt you or Ponti. Now I know it had to do with you and your connection to that female phantom.

That's the way I see it.I do not know if it is a coincidence, I only know for sure that the entity did not originate with me.
I speculate, that there is a third party involved and it likely has nothing to do with you or me. Probably someone else reading and watching is at the center of that mystery.

Lets put it another way even if after all that you still don't believe me, then what is to be done about it?
Do we start nagging the mods (as funny as that sounds) to do something about spiritual phenomena?
While I imagine they are a diverse bunch and very open minded. I do not know of any of them being exorcists nor shamans (or what have you).
I do not believe they would know what to do as it appears to fall outside the scope of their duties. (Let me know if I am wrong though)

It is a case without much in the way of a resolution.

If you have a way to resolve the situation, like I said, engage in whatever you can to get rid of the phenomena.

It just doesn't make much sense to badger me about something I don't know about. I can only tell you about what happened near the same time frame. That in itself is not enough (at least in my mind) to establish a connection. You may think differently about it though.

I am trying to be rational about this A99.

epo333
12-05-2015, 10:40 PM
Of coarse the staff here maintain a "pest" free forum(s) I'm not aware of banning any entities, spirits, ghosts, or demons. In that respect members resolve those issues on their own.

Usually by sharing peaceful discussions!

We do frequently resolve issues of open hostilities between members, as well as violations of T&Cs c. . . !

So lets stay nice.

As for those things that go BUMP in the night . . . well . . .

Fore
12-06-2015, 07:27 AM
To put the issue to rest, I would also like to tell A99 that I do acknowledge her psychic ability. So she does not have to prove it, I already figured out she was since long ago.

Though, A99 I have serious reservations on certain things you do at times and claim them to be paranormal or psychic in nature.
So as long as you keep that in mind, you don't have to go far to prove what I already know about your range of ability since long ago.

I also need to say I have a more conservative view on your psychic ability.
In other words, I assess it in a certain bracket of functionality which I don't think you'd readily agree with.
Your assessment and my assessment on this matter may not be on the same page of the same chapter for that reason.

My assessment (from years ago by the way) is based on ascertaining kinds of features and levels of functionality.
Your own assessment of your psychic ability may evaluate things on a different kind of metric which results in a different kind of valuation.

I hope this puts the record straight on that matter.

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You don't need to keep pointing out that you can interact with spiritual presences. I already know that about you and that you can do that.

A99
12-06-2015, 04:18 PM
Fore, you're really something else, ya know? lol

newyorklily
12-06-2015, 04:30 PM
Seriously, A99. Does that sarcastic video belong in the Sanctuary?

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A99
12-06-2015, 07:25 PM
Yes, I agree with you hence why I removed that video within a few short minutes after I posted it. I did that because I knew that it does not belong in the sanctuary. My apologies for posting it in the first place and it won't happen again.

newyorklily
12-06-2015, 07:56 PM
Yes, I agree with you hence why I removed that video within a few short minutes after I posted it. I did that because I knew that it does not belong in the sanctuary. My apologies for posting it in the first place and it won't happen again.
Thank you.

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L-W
12-20-2015, 08:33 PM
Anyone got a clue as to why Higher Order Entities or E.T aren't interferring with the world situation, ISIS and all that?

I just don't know why they aren't interferring. Must be something about rules/laws that cannot be broken.

CasperParks
12-20-2015, 10:41 PM
Anyone got a clue as to why Higher Order Entities or E.T aren't interferring with the world situation, ISIS and all that?

I just don't know why they aren't interfering. Must be something about rules/laws that cannot be broken.

L-W you are correct:

It is rumored there is a "No Interference" rule/law in play. However, some people speculate many religions are the direct result of "Alien Contamination, Interference and Intervention (http://www.theoutpostforum.com/tof/entry.php?331-Alien-Contamination-Interference-and-Intervention)" in an effort to keep humanity upon the Earth from reaching the stars. It is rumored one of the Grey Alien Races are attempting to turn humans on Earth into them, this in effort to save themselves from extinction. Again, rumored...

It is rumored the Greys operate as a "hive mind". Massive surveillance by corporations for profit, and government to keep people in-line could be viewed as proof of humanity upon the Earth moving toward a "hive mind".

If true: Is it being forced?

Is there a conflict among the stars over the Earth?

Has "No Interference" kept other alien races from intervening on humanities' behalf?

Is a total "Intervention" on the horizon?

We must beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. First alien race to make their presence public knowledge must be taken with care. We must demand to meet with other alien races. We must learn what is going on beyond our Solar System.

That said, when looking at the vast Universe - Earth is a small spec. Anyone thinking the Universe revolves around the Earth is foolish. However, that does not mean Earth is not important.

L-W
12-20-2015, 11:04 PM
The physical aspect is understandable if it's not possible to be anything done. One or several alien races "protecting" the planet with weapons, is understandable.

What about the metaphysical aspect? It's not fair that a violent minority with weapons are in control of the majority of the population by means of terror and physical force.

What are the (non-physical) entities doing about this?

Edward
12-21-2015, 01:01 AM
The physical aspect is understandable if it's not possible to be anything done. One or several alien races "protecting" the planet with weapons, is understandable.

What about the metaphysical aspect? It's not fair that a violent minority with weapons are in control of the majority of the population by means of terror and physical force.




What are the (non-physical) entities doing about this?


Well technically they can't do much unless they incarnate here. Here is the thing, they have to go through everything that is going on with this planet which includes not remembering. But there is stuff also going on in the non-physical, where I've been taken out of my body and stuff has been done to me. So it seems stuff can happen I just think it harkens back what is outlined in the Stargate Tv series with the Ancient's and the ascended one's. They generally can't interfere but that doesn't stop others that who have ascended via various means and are of various dispositions, Ie: good and not so good. I believe the same thing is also is happening. Do I think there is a general moral/spiritual/universal code of some kind? Yes I believe there is something there of some sorts. With free will in place I just think sometimes or a lot of times thoses things are sometimes by-passed.


Edward

CasperParks
12-21-2015, 01:05 AM
I suspect, non-physical entities are involved.

A99
12-21-2015, 01:02 PM
I think the term "non-physical" is an antiquated term embedded in an antiquated theory of what "matter" actually is. As it stands now and has been since the beginning of "science" as we now know it, the three states of matter are solid, liquid and gas. Knowing what I know, if one wants to keep troublesome spirits/phantoms or whatever at bay, one lights up incense to do that. This means that they are affected by various forms of gaseous matter, smoke and scents. They also don't like cigarette smoke either so go figure. So what does this tell us? It could mean that some of those unseen supposedly "non-physical" entities out there can manifest into some kind of gaseous state hence why they are so affected by things like strong scents and smoke.
For example, let's take the djinn which are said to be created by Allah from smokeless fire. This implies that in their native state, they are in a gaseous state.
All I'm saying is that it's all just physics that hasn't been discovered yet. At least "officially".
At any rate, there's ample proof and evidence that various kinds of "unseen" intelligence's can manifest at various densities. From this we can surmise that their base state may actually be some kind of physical state that's too low on the spectrum for science to detect yet.

newyorklily
12-21-2015, 02:06 PM
I think the term "non-physical" is an antiquated term embedded in an antiquated theory of what "matter" actually is. As it stands now and has been since the beginning of "science" as we now know it, the three states of matter are solid, liquid and gas. Knowing what I know, if one wants to keep troublesome spirits/phantoms or whatever at bay, one lights up incense to do that. This means that they are affected by various forms of gaseous matter, smoke and scents. They also don't like cigarette smoke either so go figure. So what does this tell us? It could mean that some of those unseen supposedly "non-physical" entities out there can manifest into some kind of gaseous state hence why they are so affected by things like strong scents and smoke.
For example, let's take the djinn which are said to be created by Allah from smokeless fire. This implies that in their native state, they are in a gaseous state.
All I'm saying is that it's all just physics that hasn't been discovered yet. At least "officially".
At any rate, there's ample proof and evidence that various kinds of "unseen" intelligence's can manifest at various densities. From this we can surmise that their base state may actually be some kind of physical state that's too low on the spectrum for science to detect yet.
From the way I understand it, incense works because of the intent that goes with it. It is usually used to sanctify and cleanse an area so the intent is to banish any unwanted spirits. The intent is already there.

A ghost reacting to cigarette smoke might be due to many reasons (i.e. maybe the ghost was a person who died of lung cancer or in a fire and avoid smoke if seen).

These do not prove that the entity was physical. From our human perspective, these entities are non-physical (i.e. spirit, energy). Perhaps some have a physicality in the dimension they are viewing us from and, maybe to them, we are non-physical.



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L-W
12-21-2015, 02:17 PM
Very good points lily and a99.
But to follow my topic; if Higher Order Entities could simply shutdown or cause severe nausea to a terrorist about to commit a horrible crime; why don't they?

A99
12-21-2015, 03:15 PM
From the way I understand it, incense works because of the intent that goes with it. It is usually used to sanctify and cleanse an area so the intent is to banish any unwanted spirits. The intent is already there.

A ghost reacting to cigarette smoke might be due to many reasons (i.e. maybe the ghost was a person who died of lung cancer or in a fire and avoid smoke if seen).

These do not prove that the entity was physical. From our human perspective, these entities are non-physical (i.e. spirit, energy). Perhaps some have a physicality in the dimension they are viewing us from and, maybe to them, we are non-physical.



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You are expressing the traditional viewpoint. This said though, even though I think unseen intelligence's are in fact physical beings too (it's science that has not been discovered yet) for reasons I stated before. Though it's true that "intent" plays an important role too, I do not think that it plays as important a role as what's entailed in the traditional view on this subject matter. IMHO.

Food for Thought:
WRT Mind/Body Dualism

Dualism is the division of two contrasted or opposed aspects.The dualist school supposes the existence of non-physical entities, the most widely discussed one being the mind. But beyond that it runs into stumbling blocks.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-physical_entity#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBechtel198882-5)Pierre Gassendi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Gassendi) put one such problem directly to René Descartes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Descartes) in 1641, in response to Descartes's Meditations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meditations_on_First_Philosophy)::
[It] still remains to be explained how that union and apparent intermingling [of mind and body …] can be found in you, if you are incorporeal, unextended and indivisible […]. How, at least, can you be united with the brain, or some minute part in it, which (as has been said) must yet have some magnitude or extension, however small it be ? If you are wholly without parts how can you mix or appear to mix with its minute subdivisions ? For there is no mixture unless each of the things to be mixed has parts that can mix with one another.
— Gassendi 1641

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-physical_entity

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As for cigarette smoke, well, I'm not the only one who knows that it's something spirits do not like. I'm basing this not only on my own experiences but also this is what I have been told, over and over and over again by a number of different spirits. They have a real aversion towards the smell of cigarettes and they will tell you that too. Though those ones who have died of a tobacco related disease are even more adamant about the medium not lighting up a cig. (i'm a former smoker, btw).
Many mediums/channelers are saying the same thing I am about all of this. For example, that Cassiopaean channeler Laura Knight-Jadczyk has claimed for many years now that by lighting up a cigarette, one can keep the "lizzies" away. They hate the smell and smoke of cigs. I'm not surprised at all that she is claiming that and I can really relate to it too.

A99
12-21-2015, 03:51 PM
Very good points lily and a99.
But to follow my topic; if Higher Order Entities could simply shutdown or cause severe nausea to a terrorist about to commit a horrible crime; why don't they?

For all we know, they may be doing exactly that in another parallel timeline, just not in this one... at least in the case of the current state of terrorism i.e. ISIS etc. But we don't know if they have not intervened in some way in our own timeline too.

This said though, there is such a thing as divine intervention (having to do with spirits and religious icons) but as for "aliens" intervening on human affairs, haven't they intervened in some ways having to do with nuclear matters on the military front and that their crafts have shown up around nuclear power plants too. And what about alien abductions? That may have something to do with the future.... humanities future so if that be the case, abductions would be a form of intervention too.

newyorklily
12-21-2015, 03:59 PM
Very good points lily and a99.
But to follow my topic; if Higher Order Entities could simply shutdown or cause severe nausea to a terrorist about to commit a horrible crime; why don't they?
They might not know that they can and if they do make someone very nauseous, it might be unintentional. Many Experiencers have mentioned that they felt dizzy and/or nauseous after an encounter. This could be due to something about the craft or the energy fields around the craft. Some energies can cause a feeling of motion sickness in some people

Then, there is always the possibility that the beings have their own form of the Prime Directive.

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A99
12-21-2015, 04:18 PM
Then, there is always the possibility that the beings have their own form of the Prime Directive.

Could you explain what you mean in your statement above at least in the context of L-W's comment?

PS -- Googled "Prime Directive"....



In the fictional universe of Star Trek (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek), the Prime Directive is the guiding principle of the United Federation of Planets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Planets). The Prime Directive, used in four of the five Star Trek-based series, prohibits Starfleet personnel from interfering with the internal development of alien civilizations. This conceptual law applies particularly to civilizations which are below a certain threshold of technological, scientific and cultural development; preventing starship crews from using their superior technology to impose their own values or ideals on them. Since its introduction in the first season of the original Star Trek series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series), it has served as the focus of numerous episodes of the various series. As time travel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel) became a recurring feature in the franchise, the concept was expanded as a Temporal Prime Directive, prohibiting those under its orders from interfering in historical events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Directive


Ok, no need to respond to my inquiry on this Lily. I understand what you're saying now.

montalk
12-21-2015, 07:51 PM
Positive forces (whether alien, angelic, or related) do intervene and save lives (based on anecdotal reports) which rules out them being unable to do anything for lack of physicality or not being incarnated, or them following an absolute non-intervention policy. Those things might restrict them, but not always and completely.

Except, they only protect certain people at certain times. So then you have to wonder, what person does not get protected, or what situation doesn't warrant intervention. And which ones do, and why. The answer is probably that they, or someone they obey, has a God's-eye view of things and can see deep into the past and future and into the soul's intentions, for context.

In my view, that would support the idea of reincarnation and the consequences of freewill accumulating over and between multiple lifetimes, because then the history and needs/choices of that soul provide some context of whether something that happens to them is necessary or not. That doesn't mean everything everyone gets is deserved, because for freewill to exist the possibility of violating another's freewill must exist, so violations do happen and thus not everything that happens is deserved or chosen. In that case, I think the priority of the soul comes into play; like, where were angels when the cow got slaughtered for that steak? ...and yet if a certain kid chokes on a chunk of beef maybe intervention comes in the form of a certain 'stranger' being there just in time to heimlich the kid out of it. Makes you wonder what judicial process is behind such events.

pontificator
12-22-2015, 01:25 AM
I'm going to cover why the incense, or any particulate matter forming a dust, will affect a ghost or other evil spirit.

In general a living creature has a shell around its spiritual body, which protects it from wear and tear and other effects related to the interactions of another spirit or a physical object's own influence.
This shell appears to be directly proportional in strength to the beings good graces with God, granted protection, and most likely faith as well.
Now, a faithless being with no belief may still have granted protection, as the being may still be required for a higher purpose, or there may be a base-line protective effect.
Without such a protective shell the spiritual body of the being will begin to break down, possibly vent influence uncontrollably all over the place, and be subject to damage from other influence sources.


So, this means certain non-protected beings would need to get around in the dark, and also be far more subject to adverse effects around them; the body might resist certain physical effects, like some forms of radiation, but the spiritual component would have a problem.
If it is a non-protected spirit, like a ghost, demon, or something else interesting, then it'll have immense problems just staying cohesive. All those photons passing through it will burn like acid, and the dust from the incense will be like bullets passing through it.
I'm pretty sure that if everything around you was a potential hazard like that, then you'd want to hide somewhere cool, dark, and lacking in general entropy.
There is also the siphoning behavior of a fair amount of these beings, where they siphon off decayed influence from the living, mainly in an attempt to both replace their own decaying influence and the influence they are venting into their surrounds. A protective field on a living being vs a non-protected spirit is also apparently extremely painful, so an unprotected spirit would either need to be desperate or attempting to interact with someone possessing a diminished field. Should an unprotected spirit not go out and resupply itself, then it'll simply fade away into nothing and effectively cease; except the demon, they can gradually self-replenish.


The only dead thing I've had a chance to examine, briefly, was pretty sad to be honest.
The majority of it was gone, and what was left was coming from what appeared to be a zero-point that was still connected to it's actual soul; divine spark.
So, it still had a short pair of arms, fingers, eyeballs, and the semblance of a scalp with hair where the remains of the psychic body's brain would reside under; not that far off from Freddy Kruger's idea of a Boglin.
These were all reaching out from that zero-point, and the impression I got was that those bits were gradually being sucked back into that zero point.
How long that had taken I wasn't sure, but it looked like it was stripped down to the bare essentials and didn't have much time left, especially with the translucency of it overall.
It was no-longer capable of cohesive speech, and at best sounded like a hocking old man; and it's touch was much like being mouthed by the same.
I came across it once, and I've never seen it again; I put in an immediate clobbering request, both for it's own benefit and the public at large, nothing should have to live like that.

There are a lot of ideas above, so you'll want to re-read it several times to get the gist of it.

newyorklily
12-22-2015, 02:45 AM
I'm going to cover why the incense, or any particulate matter forming a dust, will affect a ghost or other evil spirit.


There are a lot of ideas above, so you'll want to re-read it several times to get the gist of it.

Yes, I will have to read it several times because, at first glance, there seems to be a lot I disagree with. A couple of questions first.

1) Why do you say a ghost is evil?
2) What is your definition of God?

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A99
12-22-2015, 04:00 AM
There's the view that ghosts are actually intelligence's with a trickster bent that take over those discarded energy shells of human discarnates as the discarnate progresses in the spiritual world towards a more pristine spiritual state of being. (Montalk's site has a section about this)

Those intelligence's take on those superficial ego traits of the discarnates' energy shell where they pose as the personality that previously occupied it. Some call them the mimickers.

And in my view, over time, I've come to the tentative conclusion that most EVP voices, for example, are "mimickers" too... so it's not just "ghosts". A good example too are those haunting ghosts that repeat the same kind of behavior over and over again at various locations. Usually it's a place where the original owner of the discarded energy shell lived or died. The trickster intelligence that takes over the discarded shell and is posing as its previous owner is merely using it for its own nefarious purposes... i.e. to haunt or worse, to give it an opportunity to latch on to a living person who will then experience spirit obsession or possession by that intelligence. But in their haunting endeavors, they feed off the fear that they generate from those who encounter them in some way.

But there are also low level human discarnates that are not "mimickers" too. Then of course there are those authentic progressed human discarnates out there too who communicate to their loved ones or serve as guardians in one way or another.

There's quite a variety of spiritual intelligence's out there and we are all surrounded by them.

I personally do not call authentic human discarnate's "ghosts" or "phantoms". In my view, ghosts are the mimickers.

A99
12-22-2015, 05:02 AM
Ponti stated: "In general a living creature has a shell around its spiritual body, which protects it from wear and tear and other effects related to the interactions of another spirit or a physical object's own influence.
This shell appears to be directly proportional in strength to the beings good graces with God, granted protection, and most likely faith as well."

I agree but we also know that it's more complicated than that. Regardless of the strength of ones belief in God and that they are protected by God at all times as a result of that faith and belief, if one has any kind of an addiction, that protective shell can be rendered into looking like a doily with holes all over it that allows those uninvited and unwanted influences to seep in. But like you said, you are only talking on a general level but I thought I would mention this anyway.

Interesting post. WRT a few points that you brought up, I think we're on the same page... but I can't say that I'm in agreement with everything you are saying in that post. Maybe more clarification will come later.

pontificator
12-22-2015, 05:06 AM
Yes, I will have to read it several times because, at first glance, there seems to be a lot I disagree with. A couple of questions first.

1) Why do you say a ghost is evil?
2) What is your definition of God?

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Perhaps describing it more specifically as an "unclean spirit" would be a more apt term, but take the word evil and reverse it a moment, and then consider a ghost is dead; I do hope we agree a ghost is dead, things will be a bit difficult if we don't ;)

I generally stick with the Abraham definition, but then again there has never been an absolute full definition, and if it were possible then we'd probably not be taking about the supreme being in that case; that being not fully definable.

Now, rather than disagreeing, which we all well know no-one is satisfied to the fullest extent even by facts on the ground, perhaps it is better to move ahead with the bits we're in agreement on? It is far more constructive, no?

newyorklily
12-22-2015, 06:12 AM
Perhaps describing it more specifically as an "unclean spirit" would be a more apt term, but take the word evil and reverse it a moment, and then consider a ghost is dead; I do hope we agree a ghost is dead, things will be a bit difficult if we don't ;)

I generally stick with the Abraham definition, but then again there has never been an absolute full definition, and if it were possible then we'd probably not be taking about the supreme being in that case; that being not fully definable.

Now, rather than disagreeing, which we all well know no-one is satisfied to the fullest extent even by facts on the ground, perhaps it is better to move ahead with the bits we're in agreement on? It is far more constructive, no?
I don't view a ghost as "dead". The person died, their body is dead but the soul is eternal and is very much alive.
I also don't view a ghost as an "unclean spirit". To me, that is like saying the ghost is in hell (btw, I don't believe in hell). To me, a ghost is a spirit/soul who, for some reason, cannot psychologically detach itself from its last incarnation. Psychological holds are very strong energies. Mediums are like therapists. They can help the spirit let go and move on if it wants to.

The God I know does not judge but instead will send help an infinite number of times.

But yes, let's move on.

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A99
12-22-2015, 06:21 AM
I think we first need to get the semantics straight before we go any further. The standard definition for each term should suffice.

Ghost: a disembodied soul; especially: the soul of a dead person believed to be an inhabitant of the unseen world or to appear to the living in bodily likeness
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghost

God: the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/God

A99
12-22-2015, 06:55 AM
We are not in any position to authoritatively suggest to a spirit to move on into the light or whatever. We can pray for the poor souls in purgatory but that's it.

In my view, earthbound spirits are not human discarnates. They are something else.

newyorklily
12-22-2015, 07:27 AM
We are not in any position to authoritatively suggest to a spirit to move on into the light or whatever. We can pray for the poor souls in purgatory but that's it.

In my view, earthbound spirits are not human discarnates. They are something else.
Interesting article about Purgatory. It's not a place, it's a process.

http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/purgatory-process-not-place-pope-says

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A99
12-22-2015, 12:09 PM
So the current pope said dat? lol

I thought this article was interesting but I'm sure the Vatican was only joking:

Vatican: Get time off in purgatory by following Pope on Twitter

http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad164/A99_x/harley_AP447454738800.jpg

The Vatican is taking a modern approach to one of its oldest traditions, by offering indulgences to Twitter followers of the Pontifex's social media account...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vatican-get-time-off-in-purgatory-by-following-pope-on-twitter/

newyorklily
12-22-2015, 12:27 PM
So the current pope said dat? lol

I thought this article was interesting but I'm sure the Vatican was only joking:

Vatican: Get time off in purgatory by following Pope on Twitter

The Vatican is taking a modern approach to one of its oldest traditions, by offering indulgences to Twitter followers of the Pontifex's social media account...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vatican-get-time-off-in-purgatory-by-following-pope-on-twitter/

I suggest you read the article. The thought of Purgatory being a process not a place, goes back to the writings of St. Catherine of Genoa.



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A99
12-22-2015, 01:33 PM
I read the article but St Catherine is not a pope.

But one thing for sure, I grew up being told that purgatory was a place. That's what we were told in catechism. You and I are in the same age grp so I'm sure you were taught that too. But then in the 90's, Pope John 2 apparently introduced the notion that it's not an actual place. Didn't know that until I just read it so apparently, this is where it's at now though I'm interested in finding out what Pope Francis has to say about that.

Learn something new everyday. Thanks for bringing that up. ;)

update:
Below is a recent speech by Pope Frances. Notice that he's directly asking for prayers for those in purgatory... it's at the end of the speech. So as we can see, for the current pope, purgatory is a place.

"This is where the church is heading," he said. "More than a place, it is a state of the soul where our deepest aspirations will be fulfilled with abundance."
At the end of time, he said, "we will be face to face" with God. "It's beautiful to think about this, isn't it, to think about heaven. All of us will be there, all of us. It's beautiful and gives us strength."
The communion of the church cannot be broken by death and will only be stronger at the end of time, he said. "It is a deep communion between the church in heaven and that still journeying on earth. Those who already are living in the presence of God, in fact, can support, intercede and pray for us."
And, Christians on earth, he said, "are called to offer good works, prayers and the [celebration of the] Eucharist to alleviate the tribulation of the souls still awaiting blessedness without end."
The prayers for those in purgatory, the pope said, make sense because from a Catholic point of view, "the distinction is not between those who have died and those who have not yet, but between those who are in Christ and those who are not. This is the decisive element for our salvation and happiness."

http://ncronline.org/blogs/francis-chronicles/world-will-end-peace-not-annihilation-pope-francis-says

A99
12-22-2015, 02:28 PM
Here's another speech by Pope Francis... or rather a section of it:

"All the baptized down here on earth,the souls in Purgatory and all the Blessed who are already in Paradise make up one great family. This communion between earth and Heaven is brought about especially through the intercessory prayer."

Read more: http://vivificat1.blogspot.com/2013/10/pope-francis-speaks-about-purgatory-and.html#ixzz3v3W6FUei

He's clearly indicating to us that Purgatory is a place and not just a process.

pontificator
12-24-2015, 08:58 AM
I think we'd better get back on track from P176, how are your PSI exercises going A99? (I find threads have a tendency to wander a bit, and then the original aspect is lost in the noise, I'll try and steer things a bit to keep it relatively consistent.)

@Fore, if you are able to reply, I ran into a bit of a problem recently where something synced with me gradually over roughly a week, whatever it was was pretty dangerous as it both pushed my abilities into relatively new territory and attempted to alter my thinking fairly extensively at the same time. I noticed the effect in much the same way as when I noticed the Orange One performing a similar operation, when I met it face to face all those years ago [good grief, a few more years and it'll have been a decade since that incident.] Whatever it was has backed off for now, but I know that if things had "got going" it would have gone pretty serious after another week, very serious... seems I'm going to have to learn how the bits it turned on actually work, they won't go away in a hurry, and they were actively affecting people near me; as in control, but I'm a bit puzzled as to why it seems to be broad spectrum, possibly it did all the heavy lifting to make it actually work.

Fore
12-27-2015, 07:07 AM
@Fore, if you are able to reply, I ran into a bit of a problem recently where something synced with me gradually over roughly a week, whatever it was was pretty dangerous as it both pushed my abilities into relatively new territory and attempted to alter my thinking fairly extensively at the same time. I noticed the effect in much the same way as when I noticed the Orange One performing a similar operation, when I met it face to face all those years ago [good grief, a few more years and it'll have been a decade since that incident.] Whatever it was has backed off for now, but I know that if things had "got going" it would have gone pretty serious after another week, very serious... seems I'm going to have to learn how the bits it turned on actually work, What new bits?



they won't go away in a hurry, and they were actively affecting people near me; as in control, but I'm a bit puzzled as to why it seems to be broad spectrum, possibly it did all the heavy lifting to make it actually work.I ultimately simply do not know.

Perhaps, I can only assume that my lack of any active responses is outside of the normal expectation. (?) Maybe those see an opportunity in the making? (Otherwise a big Shrug from my end!)

If an ET affects more than one person it is perfectly normal behavior. It happens when you are buried knee deep in that situation. Perfectly normal.

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If I were you I would just be extra careful in how your behaviors play out in the meantime.
It could be anything, from what you are thinking upon all the time (content wise).
To simply the notion that there is a game afoot.

So just be extra careful in how you behave and it'll probably work itself out over time.
Censor your own self, think twice about it, then simply just do whatever it is your doing.

Fore
12-27-2015, 08:42 AM
From the way I understand it, incense works because of the intent that goes with it. It is usually used to sanctify and cleanse an area so the intent is to banish any unwanted spirits. The intent is already there. I don't think intent is necessary.

Way back when I wasn't practicing prayer I used to notice that *some* spiritual entities seemed to be bothered by burning incense. While other types (more malevolent than your average joe) were not as deeply affected.

Then, after I practiced prayer I noticed that there isn't necessarily a need to burn incense, but it worked more profoundly with prayer.

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Basically, I still assume incense suspends particulate matter and vapors with a different background "influence" pattern.
That by itself seems to affect different kinds of spiritual entities. There seems to be different degrees of susceptibility of spiritual presences to certain compounds when vaporized.

I think prayer just adds to the mixture by creating a supporting undercurrent of spiritual/influence phenomena that makes the area extremely unpalatable to certain kinds of spiritual entities.

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I think of it like a "influence" type of chemistry only with a more metaphysical bent.

Considering I also have had an external field in most of those cases when I burned incense, the incense felt like it made me feel a bit loopy at times.

So I assume that among the living, normally having flesh covering our spiritual/influence unexposed internals, seems to (more or less) keep us from being affected similarly as living beings.

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Its a topic that has made me wonder one thing very deeply. (And yes, I did ask the ET about it a long time ago when I learned/realized these implications)

Assuming that great varieties of compositions of atmospheric gases (physical matter) also carry "subtle" influence patterns....does this mean that even if we put on a thin space suit and step out unto another world....does this mean that our spiritual/influence internals will be affected despite the space suit protecting our physical body?

In other words,
The space suit protects my physical body, but what protects my spiritual/influence structures when standing on another world? What happens to my "influence"/psychic field when it comes into contact with a non-terrestrial atmosphere?

I asked the ET a very long time ago;
If my external-field resembles something like yours (in reference to the ET) and extends on all sides of me by 10's of feet in all directions like yours, what would happen if I stepped on Mars in a theoretical scenario?
If the physical atmosphere is made mostly of a different material, would that hamper/dampen the functionality of my immaterial field...or does it enhance it?

Can a certain non-terrestrial atmospheric combination lead to debilitating conditions even though the physical body is completely protected? Is our human body designed for a specific kind of environment? How does our living presence behave in an incompatible environment?

Next Question I asked,
If (like they explained) that is already known in other circles, does N.A.S.A. know and have they tested for survive-ability in different environments?
I mean we have taken into account the physical body of the astronaut, what about their metaphysical body? How does that react in an alien environment with a different atmospheric composition?

Anyway, I don't post any of the answers because I'd rather see members think about it internally and figure out new questions to ask within themselves. If vaporized incense is effective on metaphysical beings, how would a different atmosphere affect a living creature metaphysically?

L-W
01-03-2016, 11:57 PM
I would think of it as layers. The 'universal layer' of influence patterns is more subtle than atmospheric ones, but more thorough and finer.

One can wonder what would happen in close vicinity to Jupiters atmosphere.

Does voids in space (between galaxy clusters for egs.) contain any patterns or influence fields?

pontificator
01-05-2016, 08:31 AM
I'm still thinking deeply on this question. First thought that comes to mind is that bodily influence is affected by other influence patterns that are part of its responsive range, so if the alien atmosphere is not part of that responsive range then nothing untoward will happen. This in turn means the answer really depends on the atmospheric composition, and whether it is influence "toxic"; I personally suspect that influence toxic atmospheres would also be physically poisonous anyway, so the individual would probably be wearing a spacesuit with its own atmosphere, and that atmosphere - with its own influence range - would effectively act as a barrier.

Now outside of the range of the influence non-toxic barrier I would expect that an influence toxic atmosphere would affect influence generated by its host, and that could take a variety of forms - faster dissipation, intent corruption, tainting of the field - which could feed-back to the host. The next question here is, will the body barrier that prevents the normal decay of the spiritual body also filter and prevent this taint and toxic feedback? I don't know without any experimental evidence, but I would err on the side of caution and say it would probably depend on the exposure time. Personally I suspect if you wanted to actually test influence toxicity, then Titan would be a pretty good bet, due to the heavy hydrocarbon concentration in its atmosphere.

In contexts where there is no external influence, well I would expect that the host body's own influence would exert a more powerful effect on its surrounds ( as there would quite possibly be a lack of influence static/background influence ) and this in turn would mean that influence may decay at a lesser rate and be required in lesser quantities for certain effects. That does, however, depend on what the natural background influence state of an atmosphere-less body is; as in asteroid, moon, Ceres etc.

All of the above is speculation, I'd actually need to test this in a lab with a gas chamber; which I don't have. I might be able to do something with a vacuum jar if I can find one, and see if pushing my influence into it actually has a greater effect or not.

@Fore: the extra bits I mentioned appear to be tree-like structures extending from the front of the brains hemispheres towards the back of them, one for each hemisphere where the thickest portion seems to start from roughly where the so-called "third eye" influence canal meets the forehead. It had a wrap-around effect where the two side control points were interacting with the central point, and the tree-like structures were extending back via the canal, I didn't notice the ring that much, but I suspect it was operating externally as it should be. There was no painful feedback on this, it simply all worked at the time; it's currently dimmed down for now, but I can get it to startup again with little effort.

L-W
01-06-2016, 10:58 PM
I'm hearing quite annoying malevolent spiritual entities.

Anyone got any idea how to get the benign kind to visit me instead?

L-W
01-10-2016, 04:42 PM
Okay let me ask another question; what am I going through? What's the reason I am contacted Now and not 10 years ago?
This contact has been going on for roughly 5 years.

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pontificator
01-13-2016, 11:19 AM
Hi L-W,
I must admit that seeking out spirits is not something I try to actively do, if anything comes long then it's looking for me, or I stood on it if you get my meaning. Physical entities are a different kettle of fish, and are about as elusive as spotting a wild Lynx in Britain; it does happen. Now, in terms of benign, well to be honest if its not part of the G team, then its probably not benign to have around; keep that in mind.

Now, as for the second question set, we're missing background here; its like asking a stranger "why does my next door neighbor hate me?", without context they won't have a clue. So what do we know:
1) You've had contact for ~5 years.
2) The contact is from malevolent spirits.
3) You use the Tapatalk forum app on your android phone, a very nice Samsung Galaxy Edge Plus, which is setup for your native tongue of Swedish; your income is higher than mine, or you have a good phone provider plan.

You mention contact over the last 5 years, placing it as having started in ~2011, which is a curious date about 30 years after the 80's batch of PSI Alien contacts and experiments. I've not typically seen stable 90's or 00's batches yet due to my center of work revolving around individuals who wouldn't be active enough yet; Other than a few unstable examples, I simply don't see PSI individuals in NZ; although I could go to one of the UFO conventions, but my feeling is that it would be highly embarrassing, and probably have 0 actual PSI individuals present.

Now you saw me mentioning batches, which decade of birth fits you? Its rather important, as there seems to be an age range which is considered "safe enough" for activation/visitation.

L-W
01-13-2016, 03:25 PM
Hello Pontificator. It's an honour.

Some facts:

* I hear the spirits audible with my ears.
* Some of them are extremely intelligent.
* They are around 24/7 and I can at any given moment listen in to them, and get intelligent responses.
* I was introduced to this phenomena around May of 2011.
* The more advanced ones can read very subtle thoughts; this was used against me in cruel ways.
* I have met and appreciate the negative aswell as the positive ones - depending on how they treat me - as I am a wanderer of many paths, so to speak.
* Yes, I do have some "bad" Karma.

I do withhold some information, as you probably understand. But what I have given above is quite undistorted.

L-W
01-13-2016, 08:49 PM
I was born in the 80's.

Fore
01-14-2016, 06:58 AM
Now, in terms of benign, well to be honest if its not part of the G team, then its probably not benign to have around; keep that in mind. Sharp as ever, I must agree.


Now, as for the second question set, we're missing background here; its like asking a stranger "why does my next door neighbor hate me?", without context they won't have a clue. So what do we know:
1) You've had contact for ~5 years.
2) The contact is from malevolent spirits.
3) You use the Tapatalk forum app on your android phone, a very nice Samsung Galaxy Edge Plus, which is setup for your native tongue of Swedish; your income is higher than mine, or you have a good phone provider plan. You made me laugh so hard at those observations. You have a very good sense of humor Pontif.


You mention contact over the last 5 years, placing it as having started in ~2011, which is a curious date about 30 years after the 80's batch of PSI Alien contacts and experiments. I've not typically seen stable 90's or 00's batches yet due to my center of work revolving around individuals who wouldn't be active enough yet; Other than a few unstable examples, I simply don't see PSI individuals in NZ; although I could go to one of the UFO conventions, but my feeling is that it would be highly embarrassing, and probably have 0 actual PSI individuals present. You never know. If you are curious it might be worth the look?


Now you saw me mentioning batches, which decade of birth fits you? Its rather important, as there seems to be an age range which is considered "safe enough" for activation/visitation.
What do you mean?

Fore
01-14-2016, 07:01 AM
Hello Pontificator. It's an honour.

Some facts:

* I hear the spirits audible with my ears. Are you saying that your ears pick up intelligible speech at a reasonable volume?

In other words are these whispers or fully audioable sounds that even a machine with a microphone can register as speech?


* Some of them are extremely intelligent.
* They are around 24/7 and I can at any given moment listen in to them, and get intelligent responses.
* I was introduced to this phenomena around May of 2011.
* The more advanced ones can read very subtle thoughts; this was used against me in cruel ways.
* I have met and appreciate the negative aswell as the positive ones - depending on how they treat me - as I am a wanderer of many paths, so to speak.
* Yes, I do have some "bad" Karma.Thanks for the background info. What do you mean by "bad karma"?


I do withhold some information, as you probably understand. But what I have given above is quite undistorted.Thanks.

Arkki
01-14-2016, 10:32 AM
Regarding the physical environment reflecting to the outer-influence field. I like this theme - testatable.
That smudge-stick white-sage insence has a noticable effect.Now, If one could try energy-works while scuba-diving, though we are so much water anyway that it wouldn't differ much. Breathing gear and meditation inside a gas-chamber. ;) Or a room filled with balloons containing different gasses. Or burying inside a sand. Find a storage room full of metals, stack them to a cave, cram into a tight spot and see how the influence fields work then. Or some small narrowway inside a meters-thick castlewalls.
I remeber that there once was that discussions that some materials are easier to phase through - an iron cage is harder to pass than concrete wall. Would there be similar scale in regards the materials and how they affect on influence layer?

A pressurized space suit keeps a minimal atmosphere near the body, so there would be small standard environment for the outer field, but would it really have difference towards the effect that of the vacuum? As effects to influence happen with delay and outer field is generated from the person, effects would not be immediate, but become noticable.

pontificator
01-14-2016, 11:32 AM
I was born in the 80's.


What do you mean?

Fore, Myself, and L-W appear to be from the 80's period [Fore could be from the late 70's though, I've not confirmed his exact decade of birth.] Just an observation that 80's PSI individuals tend to run into something in their mid to late 20's, with a possible blip earlier in childhood. Individuals from the 90's don't appear to have hit this age range in high enough quantities for one to have popped up in this thread with more "developed" PSI abilities yet; else that or they are lurking more. This is all anecdotal though, and I'd need more people to be able to see if there is a definitive development period in a Human's physiology in which Psychic activation by outside forces becomes more likely.
The flip side of the coin is that activation and incidents occur all the time to these individuals, and it is in their mid to late 20's that the "off switch" stops working properly. I'd also be fairly interested if the ET's are preparing differing waves of PSI capable individuals, the point being that they will be in place for each decade with the required capabilities for that time period.

L-W, could you put up a verbatim transcript, no more than ten lines, of what you are hearing/being told? I'm thinking more the words, not simple sounds; reason being I hear people talking about it, but they never actually say what is being said. Oh, and as a word of advice, don't put up anything from any of the evil ones, else it'll end up with a line of association right to any PSI capable individual reading the sentence; and if it heads my way it'll become part of a test/experiment, and I'm sure it wouldn't want that.

L-W
01-15-2016, 06:34 PM
Are you saying that your ears pick up intelligible speech at a reasonable volume?

In other words are these whispers or fully audioable sounds that even a machine with a microphone can register as speech?

Intelligble speech at a reasonable volume, yes. Back when the phenomena started I was convinced I could record what I heard on an audio recording device. Nowadays I'm just pondering the possibility that the phenomena is produced by making my eardrums vibrate and produce the sounds, making it a local (only for me) occurence.


Thanks for the background info. What do you mean by "bad karma"?

I was quite nasty to other people during my late teens and up until early 20's. I remember a specific event where I knocked this guys front teeth out (did NOT mean to do that), and he was innocent. I'm "ashamed" of it.
However I have tons of very good karma aswell. And there were reasons why I was nasty when I was young, I had a wierd family and was bullied alot for a long period of time in school.

L-W
01-15-2016, 06:53 PM
L-W, could you put up a verbatim transcript, no more than ten lines, of what you are hearing/being told? I'm thinking more the words, not simple sounds; reason being I hear people talking about it, but they never actually say what is being said. Oh, and as a word of advice, don't put up anything from any of the evil ones, else it'll end up with a line of association right to any PSI capable individual reading the sentence; and if it heads my way it'll become part of a test/experiment, and I'm sure it wouldn't want that.

I don't want to go into specifics, as I'm only in contact with the evil ones at the moment. But as far as I understand, this is a part of the ascension process.
The whole planet will eventually recieve voices/sounds that will assist us, sort of as a computer program/game.

We will be able to learn to know ourselves better, theese guys knows me better than I know myself, they will give their slant upon how they view things I've done, who I am, what I stand for.
Some of them are so so so intelligent and wise, and they will probably (ofcourse they will) be a super duper resource to us.

Not only that, but they will also help us get to know other individuals, the essence of them, they will bring forth the best sides of people (through words and sentences. simple huh?). Sort of like ultimate diplomats.
We will soon be able to have wonderful dialogues with our loved ones through theese computer-like entities. Harmony between people is on it's way.

They are extremely good with words, pronouncocations (spelling?). They have so so so much humour and such empathy. And they can sound happy, depressed, enthusiastic, serious - ANYTHING! Such great sound quality aswell.
I laughed and cried several times a day when they first introduced themselves - and I'm far from over-sensitive.

The ascension has already begun. Funny that I am the one releasing this fact to you guys on TPB forum. Makes me feel special, and I deserve it for my life in hell.
I have done some bad things but the good things I've done far outshines those.

You can bomb me with questions. I am well aquinted with my theory of how this all works now.

Enjoy your final days in 3d density/dimension, we are moving into the 4th - the density/dimension of Love. (I can explain this part if you have no idea what I'm talking about)

Yours,
L-W

- I would like to add that I am a representing the darkness, however I am also of the light -

L-W
01-15-2016, 07:20 PM
Please forgive me. Concerning the reply to Fore; it was only one tooth.

L-W
01-15-2016, 09:44 PM
I do withhold quite abit of information, just so you know. I want to be careful in releasing it.

Edward
01-16-2016, 05:12 AM
Glad you are coming forth with this information, keep it up. There is much though that is been kept back or shall I say from. It frustrates me but at the same time it scares me because I only get feeling and sense of whats going on and I feel stuff has been kept away from me for a reason but Im not sure if its for the right reasons or not, I suspect its for the wrong reason in some cases but not all. Anyways I do get pieces of info here and there myself and Im at the point in my life and I think it scares or shall I say put a big exclamation over my head as to what I get now a days because frankly Im sick of the secretive s##t and I would tell everyone and anyone about the stuff I'd get or experience. People have a right to know but as I type this my intuitive mind tells me that perhaps everything I want to share is not right for everyone for its not time for them to have such information, experiences ect..ect. I say w/e to that but I can understand it but I don't necessarily agree with it. (edit: Reason I say this is because I feel there is some negative stuff at hand and the situation we are all in and the stuff being told to us, I have a deep sense is a big lie and I feel any truths we can bring out will better us all. I'm talking about who we are, why we are here and life in general) Anyways I guess triggers still come. L-W please share what you can, when you can. I really do appreciate what you bring forth and what everyone here on this forum shares and the insights they bring to us all. I may not understand/agree/ or share the same sentiments but regardless the information is still important to digest and have. Why? Because it helps me for a better understanding of what and how I do things and/or understand things and it all adds to my existence and experiences.

Edward

Fore
01-16-2016, 07:01 PM
You and Pontif before you, got the right idea.


Regarding the physical environment reflecting to the outer-influence field. Pontif made an interesting inference about influence and the physical environment it is "immersed" or "interacting" with in.

I am making it a strong point not to answer anything for a specific purpose. Though, I would like to put a question mark out there for you all to think and test.

Pontif made an (really interesting) assumption that the outer influence ~ejected~ beyond the confines of the body is being reflected. Question, is that really all that goes on in the outer field as it passes through the gaseous environment around our bodies?

Think about it and test with real world examples in your own spare time. Just what is really happening in that outer influence field?

What kinds of interactions might happen out there in that exterior influence field envelope? (especially in different environments or vacuums or physical material configurations)


I like this theme - testatable. Glad you thought so, though, honestly almost all of it is testable.

There isn't an actual need to take anyones word on any single topic. There are even insightful stories abound on all sorts of incidents in both short and long term historical accounts of people who encounter beings with these sorts of talents. From the mundane to the extra-ordinary.

The only thing you have to do is figure out the basics and you can infer alot even from what at first looks like an observers cryptic account of events. Even when the observer does not fully understand what they are seeing in front of them.

Fore
01-16-2016, 07:30 PM
Now, If one could try energy-works while scuba-diving, though we are so much water anyway that it wouldn't differ much. Breathing gear and meditation inside a gas-chamber. ;) Or a room filled with balloons containing different gasses. I think you are about to hit on a vein of thinking that not many would really think to consider.

Your post is noteworthy and worth ample inquiry (in my opinion) from Extra-Terrestrial sources.

Anyway, let me just point one thing out and see if it broadens your horizons now that you are thinking in this context.

I wonder...
I wonder, is your physical and biological composition and design as a human being important to how your meta-physical systems work?

When you breathe in and out gasses in our atmosphere, would a meta-physical designer have taken into consideration the materials and processes (and placement) of biological structures to make everything work properly? (In context of a meta-physical design)

If you dropped a biological design like yours (a human being) on a different kind of environment, how would your meta-physical components react? (assuming you only compensated for the physical body but none of the metaphysical aspects)

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Going further down the questions list:

If you were a non-human who was fully metaphysical-ly aware in a physical form. When you walk across the landscape of the world, you would notice interactions in the environment that were not physically observable.

Question:
Having been aware of these "invisible" processes that are not visible to the human observer...what would you discover if you made a standard human home structures and then realized that the dynamics of that invisible environment are perturbed by the design?

Would you keep redesigning the structure until the invisible metaphysical processes "flow" and process correctly?
(Not just taking into account the physical functionality of that home like a human being would)

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What if you were an alien architect?
What if you had to build out an entire civilization with these principles in mind?

Would you build certain structures with a specific range of criteria that functionally works not only on the physical level of reality but also the metaphysical components and its properties?

If that were the case, would you build out the civilizations structures in such a way as to provide comfort in both the visible spectrum as well as the invisible spectrum?

If so, would you use materials that have no functional aspect in the physical but has proper functionality in the invisible dynamics?

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I imagine a human being seeing you build a home out of granite, would ask you why you would use such a heavy material instead of making it out of light materials like wood.

But then, I guess you and they would be completely looking at two different levels of the same environment.

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And a final intrigue.

Assuming you grew up in a more advanced alien world with an alien composition and awareness. Would your scope of physical and meta-physical sciences and principles also allow you access to specific design principles of building "structured"/"placements" that allow the furthering of personal development of metaphysical properties found in that alien culture?

Sort of like a physically designed stage designed for medical purposes. A metaphysical tuning fork facility.
Where people go to de-stress and/or advance their own metaphysical aspects.

Sort of like when you want to build out a strong physical body, you go to a gym.
It has weights and training equipment. People go there to relax and exercise.
Simple enough right?

So what would the metaphysical entity build to strengthen or advance their own metaphysical properties?
Think about it. :angel_not:

Edward
01-17-2016, 03:19 AM
I think you are about to hit on a vein of thinking that not many would really think to consider.

Your post is noteworthy and worth ample inquiry (in my opinion) from Extra-Terrestrial sources.

Anyway, let me just point one thing out and see if it broadens your horizons now that you are thinking in this context.

I wonder...
I wonder, is your physical and biological composition and design as a human being important to how your meta-physical systems work?

When you breathe in and out gasses in our atmosphere, would a meta-physical designer have taken into consideration the materials and processes (and placement) of biological structures to make everything work properly? (In context of a meta-physical design)

If you dropped a biological design like yours (a human being) on a different kind of environment, how would your meta-physical components react? (assuming you only compensated for the physical body but none of the metaphysical aspects)

--------------------------

Going further down the questions list:

If you were a non-human who was fully metaphysical-ly aware in a physical form. When you walk across the landscape of the world, you would notice interactions in the environment that were not physically observable.

Question:
Having been aware of these "invisible" processes that are not visible to the human observer...what would you discover if you made a standard human home structures and then realized that the dynamics of that invisible environment are perturbed by the design?

Would you keep redesigning the structure until the invisible metaphysical processes "flow" and process correctly?
(Not just taking into account the physical functionality of that home like a human being would)

--------------------------

What if you were an alien architect?
What if you had to build out an entire civilization with these principles in mind?

Would you build certain structures with a specific range of criteria that functionally works not only on the physical level of reality but also the metaphysical components and its properties?

If that were the case, would you build out the civilizations structures in such a way as to provide comfort in both the visible spectrum as well as the invisible spectrum?

If so, would you use materials that have no functional aspect in the physical but has proper functionality in the invisible dynamics?

==============================

I imagine a human being seeing you build a home out of granite, would ask you why you would use such a heavy material instead of making it out of light materials like wood.

But then, I guess you and they would be completely looking at two different levels of the same environment.

==============================

And a final intrigue.

Assuming you grew up in a more advanced alien world with an alien composition and awareness. Would your scope of physical and meta-physical sciences and principles also allow you access to specific design principles of building "structured"/"placements" that allow the furthering of personal development of metaphysical properties found in that alien culture?

Sort of like a physically designed stage designed for medical purposes. A metaphysical tuning fork facility.
Where people go to de-stress and/or advance their own metaphysical aspects.

Sort of like when you want to build out a strong physical body, you go to a gym.
It has weights and training equipment. People go there to relax and exercise.
Simple enough right?

So what would the metaphysical entity build to strengthen or advance their own metaphysical properties?
Think about it. :angel_not:

A Geometric like structure(perhaps a pyramid ;) ) with various levels of or shall I say rooms for where certain energies flow higher or lower and have these certain rooms for various activities as well. Like meditation, Obe stuff. Keeping food fresh and water too. Also where you sleep so that you don't over do it on the physical and metaphysical aspects of yourself with the energies. Then go about eating a diet that is conducive for the energy flow physically and meta-physically. That would be a good start.

Edward

Fore
01-17-2016, 08:39 PM
A Geometric like structure(perhaps a pyramid ;) ) with various levels of or shall I say rooms for where certain energies flow higher or lower and have these certain rooms for various activities as well. Like meditation, Obe stuff. Keeping food fresh and water too. Also where you sleep so that you don't over do it on the physical and metaphysical aspects of yourself with the energies. Then go about eating a diet that is conducive for the energy flow physically and meta-physically. That would be a good start.

EdwardInteresting reply,

So what your postulation then implies is that, quite possibly, if some entity who has a more advanced configuration....would perhaps bring with it a unique arrangement of buildings and properties.

Reminds me of some landmarks on Earth. Strange designs.

I wonder if some of these beings made a homestead for themselves on Earth, what their requirements might be in living structures and other pleasantries?

Edward
01-18-2016, 04:38 AM
Interesting reply,

So what your postulation then implies is that, quite possibly, if some entity who has a more advanced configuration....would perhaps bring with it a unique arrangement of buildings and properties.

Reminds me of some landmarks on Earth. Strange designs.

I wonder if some of these beings made a homestead for themselves on Earth, what their requirements might be in living structures and other pleasantries?


Yeah I'm guessing these beings made sure that that the multi-dimensional properties were also in place so that that seen and unseen worlds would mesh as efficiently as possible(in regards to the buildings and even surrounding areas) As to your postulation about if these beings made homesteads for themselves, there might be the information you seek in the stories of the various gods and beings said to be found in various lore, mythology and in some scientific records.

It's all fascinating to ponder, to postulate and to piece together.

Edward

pontificator
01-18-2016, 11:13 PM
At a more systematic level, I'm quite interested in how environmental influence interacts with different materials. This is something that could actually be tested, and would involve exposing different pure materials to a given influence field to see what happens.

More to the point though, how the influence actually interacts with different materials when it is in a raw state is not currently defined, think of the following:
Depending on the state of the influence it can have any mixture of properties of elements in the touchable-world; for example a gas operating/interacting in a radio spectrum manner with sublimation properties and a multi-dimensional latticework structure.
If I have a solid sheet of steel does raw influence ignore it, pass through it, be filtered by it to leave behind only non-interacting influence, amplify aspects within the raw influence, cause the influence to go around it, cause the influence to go ten seconds back in time before passing through, transmigrate the raw influence into a different location matching a different type of material and so on.

I have seen it appear like smoke in the local environment, glowing orange, but move in lock-step with the entity controlling it; i.e. it was not interacting with the air like smoke would, nor with it's host like smoke would.
I have walked through a roughly 1mx1m patch of influence that felt like grass blades of "vertigo" passing through my feet. That one was weird, you could walk back through it and get the same sensation.
All in all, when you run into influence that is defined as one type, and it is unnatural, it's very noticeable. Thinking further on it, flat floors made out of tile/stone seem to ground unnatural influence quite well.

Fore
01-19-2016, 04:37 AM
At a more systematic level, I'm quite interested in how environmental influence interacts with different materials. This is something that could actually be tested, and would involve exposing different pure materials to a given influence field to see what happens.

More to the point though, how the influence actually interacts with different materials when it is in a raw state is not currently defined, think of the following:
Depending on the state of the influence it can have any mixture of properties of elements in the touchable-world; for example a gas operating/interacting in a radio spectrum manner with sublimation properties and a multi-dimensional latticework structure.
If I have a solid sheet of steel does raw influence ignore it, pass through it, be filtered by it to leave behind only non-interacting influence, amplify aspects within the raw influence, cause the influence to go around it, cause the influence to go ten seconds back in time before passing through, transmigrate the raw influence into a different location matching a different type of material and so on.

I have seen it appear like smoke in the local environment, glowing orange, but move in lock-step with the entity controlling it; i.e. it was not interacting with the air like smoke would, nor with it's host like smoke would.
I have walked through a roughly 1mx1m patch of influence that felt like grass blades of "vertigo" passing through my feet. That one was weird, you could walk back through it and get the same sensation.
All in all, when you run into influence that is defined as one type, and it is unnatural, it's very noticeable. Thinking further on it, flat floors made out of tile/stone seem to ground unnatural influence quite well.

I for one wonder if it is true what some of the various ET told me about ET craft. That some of the alien crafts supposedly have specialized influence field/generators.

Normally, in our sphere of technology you would call a spacecraft simply a round piece of metal with fuel and some computers attached onboard for navigation purposes. Normally that would be pretty much it as far as building it goes.

Half the consideration goes into (physical) life support while the other half goes into navigation.

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But what if there is more to it than that?

What if it takes more than simply an atmosphere and pressure to keep an astronaut alive?
Why haven't we seen NASA or any of the other agencies occupied on that topic about astronauts becoming ill on long term stays outside the natural earth ecosystem??

Secondly, if there is any truth to the matter, (and I strongly assume there is) what are the signs that our astronauts (if any exists) suffer from the isolated environments in space? (And how far from Earth is "safe"?)

Thirdly, if there is any truth to this matter, would we see any mention of these aspects in people stories while being abducted or contacted?

EVEN MORE SO, would the lack of any of those (realistic) aspects in "disclosure publications" indicate that some of the released stories in UFOlogy are fabrications?

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I am only mildly aware of some cases on the net of people claiming that some of the more advanced ET's (says the witness) use a combination of spiritual/metaphysical/physical technological solutions to build space craft. Most of those (as far as I am aware) are considered "bogus". (Curious isn't it?)

Yet, there is that inescapable question.

Can a human being or ET or any other advanced life form, exist in space for a prolonged period of time with just a normal breathable environment?

I can't help but wonder. Even if NASA were a completely ignorant agency of everything else relating to that matter, and assuming all of this hypothesis is established in some hard reality that cannot be avoided. Then it wouldn't it be a very well kept secret?

If so, then it perhaps might explain why there is ample controversy over whether mankind has actually traveled any significant distances in space beyond our earth.

If there was any truth to any of it, then it would set into motion some doubts about what the prospects are in traveling to the stars with our current level of technology. It would also set an air of question(s) over some accounts deemed to be leaks about travels to far off distant worlds through conventional space travel.

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Keep in mind, the people who see certain types of UFO's up close, indicate that their properties are VERY strange. Not just physically speaking.

For example, the little I know about serpo, I don't readily recall any of those mentions.

Arkki
01-19-2016, 09:54 AM
Fore: fun questions! thoughts it brought up:

influence gathering, breathing in from the surroundings is important. Once I rembember the lesson of imagining oneself like a “sponge” that absorbs it from around (and then you try to tune it, and guide it do you put in your own structures, target it, or say guide it to a thought form. ) but rather than just absorbing it, it seemed to be related to air, and getting the lungs full, breath it in from the very bottom lungs. so this hints clearly at least that the influence is abudnantly absorbable more to the gaseous matter than more solid forms.
So, is it bound to oxygen? or whatever the influence-layer representation of “air” is? or mere attribute of it? If only it were so simple.
Living forms can contain it, be it a plant, animal, (and according to some, crystals formations as most privitive lifeforms / containers for metaphysical entity). And I remember on one “build a doll to house a spirit” material that it was salt-water inside a candlevax-doll, with possibly different stones set inside, but main point being a saltwater container, preferably in a closed box hidden in low-entropy environment.

So these would say that mineral-rich water in vax (non interfering), and if we take the contained gasses inside the box alongside with it, would make a cosy house for a spirit without a body. I would assume that as the saltwater settling and the crystals, either from it or stones itself would be intended to support the metaphysical organs, functions of interconnect centres etc.

Spirit preferred to dwell inside empty spaces of walls, floors and attics, but not inside solid walls, stating the preference for gaseous places. There is also saying that flowing water is considered unpleasant, being entropic. I wonder about the wind from the sea, when I walk into it, often feels rejuvenating, it kind of cleanses the weights gathered on the shoulders, and depending, fills with vigour. So does wind, or the nature overall just be a place to vent out the abundance / nonhealthy influence, or does it replenish it with healthy influence?

So free movement of gas is preferable over solid for spirit metaphysical forms. and those who don’t have stable metaphysical forms prefer low-entropy environments as changes in physical are bearing in metaphysical. Wood “breathes” and is more invisible, granite and metals are solid and unchanging.

I’ve always loved the churches, and architecture in “superhuman scale”, where I feel that I can stand tall and reach as high as I can, without being obstructed, and in similar way, feel compressed - though adjusting, when the ceiling heights drop down. I dream of someday moving to an apartment with 5 meter room height. I joke about place suiting for my ego, but contains the hint of why I think it being it is elevating.

Of engineering metaphysically pleasant place, I would keep the outer walls solid, thick and full of granite. feet or two. And inside, have the wooden walls and roofs above the rooms. but solid walls, uncoverd, or filled with insulation, would not like to leave chambers where air doesn’t circulated. Have a focal point - a chamber with even higher roof, just in case someone with preference for a spacious presence would fancy to float by. And gravitational air conditioning, just a hunch but I bet it flows gentler. And a moat connected to a stream, whirring around the house would make it a slightly calmer place.

For training training purposes, there could be room shaped to represent the capacity outer field / metaphysical body full developed or expanding - however that would be. Maybe chamber above with an opening to the room below, for the interconnect to expand upwards, though if the human field is the 15-30ft, the one tall room might be enough. Though if the floors are separated by "transparent" material, the chamber above might do regardless. I once had a driving-theory lesson held in a room above a martial-arts school. Once, I felt abundant flow of influence from floor below and got immersed into it. Did not realize to check what class they were running there.

Now, would there be point to have places to contain thought forms, say a granitey-chambers, so that if you do energy works and want to have places to put a forms as you work with others, Maybe. A good one would not need such, and whole thing of keeping thought forms for periods of time is tricky.

Any benefit for having water moving in pipes? Once I fashioned that as annoyance to some spirits, running a processor-water-cooling-system pumping pipes full of moving water, set as a lining at the borders of the room might be great. Feng Shui always recommends having a flowing pool inside the apartment (and have guidelines where to place it) Would there be any benefit, say having a salty water around. Churches traditionally have the holy water sitting in getting stale. Hmm. But say, have a pool indoors. What would that change? Also, those floating tanks with salt-water, might there be more to that than the sense-isolation? possible- grouding?. But if water could work as conduct, if one were to know about the structures in detail, could one expand “veins” of water around - might that benefit on developing the metaphysical formations? notch influence to right directions from a source? At one time it was popular to sleep in water-filled beds. Anyone ever tried energy works laying on such, how did it go?

There is also this “grounding effect”, Walk barefoot on the grass or wet mulch and excess influnce sinks to. So good. Stone floor seems to do that as well - which would indicate that there it it acts as conduct, than on walls it insulates. hmh.
Now to have a grounding place indoors? Would a garden do? How thick layer there has to be for it to have such effect. And how to isolate it so that nothing unintended leaks out.

But the other way around. Say, an UT would fancy make a place down here to be comfortable for itself. How would that differ? what kind expanses such would take? A cosy spacious room, and then what? a cosy spacious room that stays that way in multiple probable timelines. Something stable, institution of a sort.


So, for a human to feel healthy and have a positive environment to evolve

ok. A house surrounded by a stream / moat to bother random spirits. Island would do.

Thick walls to insulate from outside and inside - no unintentional leaks. Heavy material. fully stone or brick and then layer of metal inside the structure, maybe just a sheet of aluminium foil, Montalk talked once about lining room with copper, but it was in different context. Metal roof, copper is classic there.

No unintended, closed hollow spaces where nothing circulates and things can linger. So walls and ceilings made of wood without panelling, or if so, fully insulated. Nonmetallic furniture.

Controlled airflow and atmosphere. A way to flush the place with entropy - burn insence, flowing water, lots of air changing swooshing through, and sunlight scattered through to colors and rainbows.. And on the opposite - be able to close the windows and doors, turn the circulation to minimum, gentle light.

Airy rooms 3-5 meter ceiling height, and central chamber with 10m ceiling height, to which smaller chambers open at the sides. arranged so that even the largest of outer fields can pass relatively unobstructed. Airiness literally means leaving plenty of air inside. So even if the air doesn’t change fast, there is enough for comfortable living. (=the old fashioned gravity based air circulation only works in tall rooms)

There to be a salt-water tank or pool, something that is easily drainable or has wave-machine. And there must be a garden, with something growing that can actually lay roots far down to soil. Windows to let plenty of sunshine in. And good natural air circulation with breathing structures. f

With a garden next to.

An timeline wise, church would do nicely. They tend to stick around.

Remembering from OMF, there was user with name of SpinningShields, and had accordingly animated icon. And if there is talk about making influence spin (around interconnect centres) for heightened effects. So, spinning rooms? just put the whole church on wheels and make it spin gently- if done right, it would not disorient. A house that acts as an influence centrifuge? ;) And then maybe some inside chambers that can be put to spin on their own as well.
I wonder how the waves would look in a pool inside a spinning room.

L-W
01-20-2016, 01:51 AM
So no questions regarding my 5 year long contact with -extremely- intelligent Higher Order Entities?

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mek
01-22-2016, 05:29 PM
So no questions regarding my 5 year long contact with -extremely- intelligent Higher Order Entities?


I might have some.

Were they talking about religious or just daily things?

Do they know things before they take place?

What exactly makes you think they are so intelligent?

Are they talking about ascension related matters?

Do they give information on these dimensional ascension 4d, 5d... matters?

I'd like to know a bit about how they are like. I have this channeling phenomena going on too, so that I hear entities, spirits like it was real sound, but it's just heard by me.

L-W
01-22-2016, 09:08 PM
Were they talking about religious or just daily things?
Daily things, in a broad spectrum. What occured in my life for example.

Do they know things before they take place?
I'm not sure. Sometimes I was/am under the impression that they do/did. They played alot of tricks on me.
However, I believe in multiple probability timelines. Which means they may know the greatest chance for something to occur, but thanks to freewill; no definite answers (atleast that's what I think).

What exactly makes you think they are so intelligent?
I could give you a few examples of what I remember.
* They know alot of my life, even stuff I have forgotten.
* Extremely well-timed sound effects that leaves you baffled in awe.
* Control of ones thoughts, sight, emotions and perceptions.
* Extremely clever games of deception; I once asked a doctor to "kill me with his gaze", cause I was caught up in their 'games'. Imagine the reaction.
* Structured environment of sound, so to speak. 'Games' that lets you get to know your friends better, for example. Almost like you enter this sub-reality where you suddenly enter Life 2.0, with music playing, motivating words being heard, information about your surroundings and thoughts of others being given, communication with others through sort of like a 3d party (whom decides what is being transferred and not, and other variables). We are talking about a SYSTEM here, much like a computer operating system.
* Extremely good with words; they have theese really cool phrases and labels of stuff. Much of it that you never or rarely heard in your life before, but can relate to (which is why I ruled out schizophrenia almost instantly).
* Very loving and wise beings if you speak to the right ones. I fall in love with some of them.
And much more.

Are they talking about ascension related matters?
Yes, some.

Do they give information on these dimensional ascension 4d, 5d... matters?
Yes, some. But I did know alot about the creation even before I was introduced to them.

I'd like to know a bit about how they are like. I have this channeling phenomena going on too, so that I hear entities, spirits like it was real sound, but it's just heard by me.
For how long have you been having the phenomena?
Anyone else in your surroundings that has the same phenomena that you know about?
Lived a 'normal' life?

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Much of my time with them has been spent reviewing and working on my somewhat bad Karma.

Arkki
01-23-2016, 02:11 AM
Post seemed to gather some activity, even with the false assumptions included. Jolly.
Summarising the core point of my specuatlion was that physical materials and their influcence-mirrors, could be categorized by function:
Insulating vs transparent (metals vs. candlewax- is it about molecular weight or density?) Metals - gasses? Are there molecule-based differences and how they relate to human physiology?
Conducting - attributes will pass along to some direction. Grounding happens, is rest just theoretical?
Transforming vs sustaining - entropy and conditions that strenghten or inhibit. Can movement play a non-enthropic part when interacting with metaphysical?
And the whole point of asssisting generation or gathering influence, is there a something working in, say orgonite -theory?

And then applying and testing this with what living organisms do, metals, water / fluids and differnt gasses - and voids.
Were there enough test result, so far just anecdotal, applying framework of outer fields, energy works and related structures, purposeful environments could be engineered.

Arkki
01-23-2016, 02:38 AM
>L-W
Have you read the Montalks "Discerning the alien disinformation" (http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1) -serie? It is a good gathering about the games and narratives common in these kind of conditions, if not, I heartily recommend it. It is a mouthful to read at once, but worth it.
What would you state as their core message/ paradigm /world-view? If there were there an agenda, statement or viewpoint they'd like you to share, what would it be?

Fore
01-23-2016, 03:51 AM
>L-W
Have you read the Montalks "Discerning the alien disinformation" (http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1) -serie? It is a good gathering about the games and narratives common in these kind of conditions, if not, I heartily recommend it. It is a mouthful to read at once, but worth it.
What would you state as their core message/ paradigm /world-view? If there were there an agenda, statement or viewpoint they'd like you to share, what would it be?

@ LW

Best as I can ascertain based on your responses;

Sounds like a psychic entity with it's own intelligence. (Malevolent category is likely)
Sounds like you may experience sensory manipulation based on the idea that you experience sound.

The question came up in my mind as to whether you were hearing externally occurring "whispering" using your ear drums....
AS OPPOSED TO
....Having the sensory experience of hearing something coming from your ear.

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The main different between the first type and the second is where the sensation of sound is generated.

In the first type it is external and audioable to anyone in earshot. (including a machine without a consciousness)
Literally speaking, the whispers or audioable sound emanates from some where nearby.

While in the second it is a sensory illusion. Which means some entity has a pretty close proximity to your body and has already influenced/interfaced/affected your internal world (mental/cognitive/super-cognitive?) to the point that it can create strongly induced illusory phenomena.

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You pretty much fit the second profile since you pretty much pointed out symptoms consistent with someone who is connected on an immaterial level (psychically) to the entity.

You mentioned that it messed with your mind and that of others in close proximity. So....unlucky for you, it can at least pick up on the ongoing thoughts of at least some of the people it comes into close proximity with you and it in the vicinity.
You also responded that you were unsure if it had any precognitive features.

So that indicates you are interfacing with something which is closeby (at least some of the time) but doesn't appear to have any advanced development in the psychic scope of things.

Considering you also mentioned you say you have had other affiliation with similar entities, the whole thing is starting to sound like an acute case of a paranormal haunting. (Best ?educated? guess)

Fore
01-23-2016, 04:30 AM
Much of my time with them has been spent reviewing and working on my somewhat bad Karma.Well, if they are dis-incarnate (dead) and still there, spending any time paying them any mind is going to be a bad idea. (This is a personal view and well documented "opinion".)


Like I explained to my own family using a simple kind of logic.
If you believe in God...and assuming you believe that the dead who do not ascend are rejected from going "up". ("Cursed")

You come to two basic forks in the road.

Either the entity next to you is "cursed" for a good reason (?a really bad person?) that you know nothing of as of yet.
Or
The entity next to you is something other than what you may think it is, (?demonic?) and is still "cursed" anyway.

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Using that basic idea:

Generally anything that is "cursed" by God....is cursed into suffering.
So if you keep it around and "talk" with it, then you too will share in it's suffering. (your bad karma goes here <-- )

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Thinking of it in a more technical way, it is like dealing with a random number generator. (--> ie. Your "Karma")
If all things being even if you were to throw a dice in a normal environment sans any spiritual intervention, and this dice only had two possible values.

It should always hit 50/50.

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If you keep these "cursed" entities around your vicinity, you average score starts tilting one way. (if 1 is bad and 2 is good)

You'll end up with a score that looks like 60/40. (consistently "bad karma")

The further you magnify the problem by keeping up your interaction with malevolent paranormal entities, it tilts the averages one way, like mine once did you'll end up with a 95/5. (A exceedingly poor "karma" score)

95 events will be bad, 5 will be good.

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The entity will be making up some bold lie no doubt, that you have some kind of issue with your past (total baloney). When in reality it is fully aware that you are being plagued by it's own induced and unceasing misfortune.

Their cursed existence, now becomes a part of your every day life. So in order to tilt the averages back to 50/50, you basically have to admit you have "a problem", accept the issue is identified, then act on it.

Once you take out the paranormal problem, your average score should tilt back to 50/50 over a span of time as the invisible environment slowly equalizes. And if you truly change your ways like I did, you may get a spiritual blessing or two (or thirty) which will put your average future prospects strongly on the good side.

In which case, assuming you are a repentant person at heart (by God standard, not our own) the blessings themselves seem to be the opposite of "a curse". Which seems to tilt the averages in the opposite direction. Everything comes out real good, pretty easily. (70/30 --> "Good Karma")

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Anyway, that is just some of my advice on your situation.

The other positive benefit is that Higher Order Entities attend to your needs (if it pleases God) and various ongoing issues and you spiritually progress as a person. Which is not at all bad in my mind. Lots of peace of mind.

Reality is seemingly like a random (quantum number) generator from the upper perspective. The Admin gets to tilt the randomness as He sees fit.
A miracle is apparently when the Admin pushes the quantum dial in one direction with vigor. :)

So I suspect it is good for your health to simply not keep any "cursed" paranormal company who is on that Admins' bad side.

mek
01-23-2016, 10:02 AM
For how long have you been having the phenomena?
Anyone else in your surroundings that has the same phenomena that you know about?
Lived a 'normal' life?


It's for me years ago, when it started, I know others who can listen to these. Yes normally lived life.

I'd like to know a bit more what they think about the typical ascension and 5d 4d, I myself don't believe into it much and the "spirits" don't tell me about these things, I'm told and what I think myself is that they are some invention and hoax, but I'm not sure, if for example you are told about these matters more, you could enlighten me a bit on what the entities tell you about these 4d 5d, so what the entities tell not what you have learned from the internet/books?

I think the entities, or spirits are as you mentioned connected to a system, where everything is under the other side's control. Evil and such things do exists also in their system, but as a punishment phenomena not trying to make things worse, but to punish those who have made things worse. So I'm not myself afraid of these evil spirits, since I have a clean conscious.

L-W
01-23-2016, 09:47 PM
>L-W
Have you read the Montalks "Discerning the alien disinformation" (http://montalk.net/alien/145/discerning-alien-disinformation-part-1) -serie? It is a good gathering about the games and narratives common in these kind of conditions, if not, I heartily recommend it. It is a mouthful to read at once, but worth it.
What would you state as their core message/ paradigm /world-view? If there were there an agenda, statement or viewpoint they'd like you to share, what would it be?

I've peeked at montalk's site before.

It's not a free education class. Knowledge and wisdom has to be earned, and it comes in portions. Hierarchy is prelavent. Remember that I represent the dark side, so to speak.
This is just the beginning of the ascension process.

L-W
01-23-2016, 10:06 PM
@ LW
Sounds like a psychic entity with it's own intelligence. (Malevolent category is likely)

I would say, entities. A pretty educated guess.


The question came up in my mind as to whether you were hearing externally occurring "whispering" using your ear drums....

It produces a local phenomena. I have been in the same room as other people while hearing the entities in full volume.


So that indicates you are interfacing with something which is closeby (at least some of the time) but doesn't appear to have any advanced development in the psychic scope of things.

If you can read very subtle thoughts, you must be a good psychic? Right?


Considering you also mentioned you say you have had other affiliation with similar entities, the whole thing is starting to sound like an acute case of a paranormal haunting. (Best ?educated? guess)

Not a haunting, no. Ascension.
The ascension process seems to begin for the ones with bad Karma, or people in powerful positions. Which makes sense; getting the proof of life after death, Karma and spirituality could prevent alot of innocent casualties.

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Artificial programs. Is that a common thing, Fore?

L-W
01-23-2016, 10:18 PM
It's for me years ago, when it started, I know others who can listen to these. Yes normally lived life.

I'd like to know a bit more what they think about the typical ascension and 5d 4d, I myself don't believe into it much and the "spirits" don't tell me about these things, I'm told and what I think myself is that they are some invention and hoax, but I'm not sure, if for example you are told about these matters more, you could enlighten me a bit on what the entities tell you about these 4d 5d, so what the entities tell not what you have learned from the internet/books?

I have already given you examples of some of the things we can expect in fourth density. They aren't exactly philosophing with me and tell me what they think. It's more centered around me and my thoughts.

Fore
01-25-2016, 01:07 AM
It produces a local phenomena. I have been in the same room as other people while hearing the entities in full volume. Yes, but the point is, do they also hear it as it happens?


If you can read very subtle thoughts, you must be a good psychic? Right? Not exactly, it depends on various factors.

For the dead, there is less ~insulation~ between their floating structures and the living body standing right next to them. Its a complicated topic/point, but essentially there are different points and kinds of isolation which creates some form of communication between one entity and the next. (Hence, why EFM, External Field Manipulation is more prevalent among the more talented psychics as far as I can see.

There is also a very obvious point (well maybe not too obvious to the average person, I admit) that the individual who picks up on someone elses thought process is rarely 1 to 1. The closer it is to a 1 to 1 perception (as in, nothing is lost in the reception) then the more acute it is for the receiver.

In real life, a psychic doesn't actually want to experience the other person on a 1 to 1 level of clarity. If you do, your lower mind, won't handle it too efficiently. At a 1 to 1 replication of the other persons experience, you'll be immersed in the experiencing the thought process of the other person and it will interrupt your own thought process.

So no, in real life, its not convenient. In real life you'd normally aim for just the surface elements in the mind of that other person that indicates enough information, coherently, so that you capture the other persons sufficiently detailed train of thought. (Less than 1 to 1)

But for example, you won't experience other aspects that exists only inside of that other person. It's also easier if you use the higher mind portions of "you" to pre-process a greater depth and dimension of what constitutes the other persons thought process. So the analogy that pops into the lower mind (your day to day mind) renders a sufficiently accurate rendering of what the other person is thinking in real time. (or in some cases, ahead of time with more advanced talents)

When you hear someones subtle thoughts, the process itself is different than popular myths about telepathy or psychic observation of a specific target.


Not a haunting, no. Ascension.
The ascension process seems to begin for the ones with bad Karma, or people in powerful positions. Which makes sense; getting the proof of life after death, Karma and spirituality could prevent alot of innocent casualties. So there you go.

You've pretty much have been convinced that what is happening is actually a good thing. <shrug>
Same tricks same old application.


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Artificial programs. Is that a common thing, Fore?I used that terminology.
It depends on how you choose to understand the process in front of you.

If you look at "influence" long enough in all its various states, you'd likely remark that it seems to be a pretty complex set of rules. The influence itself seems to affect and actually define the processes of physical nature. But this "influence" itself does not appear to be a 3D object nor does it behave like a 3D object.

So like a defined and divisible piece of behavior, it is functional. --> Codified in my terminology.
If you alter the function of a specific kind of codified "influence" it seemingly and reliably affects physical matter.

Whoever made "influence" rules (God?) and the physical matter that relies on its discrete behavior, they seem to have purposely made it pliable.

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Current science says that only a physical process can affect another physical process.

Obviously that is not true, since we have the paranormal and supernatural.

montalk
01-25-2016, 08:46 AM
FYI, I regularly get emails from people who say they've been in contact with beings.

Typically, their interaction with these beings remains exclusively mental / dream / voices rather than any kind of physical interaction or physical abduction for that matter. They don't fit the alien abduction profile, but more a paranormal/occult possession or harassment profile, even if the beings project the appearance of being alien. Sometimes it's angels instead of aliens, or ascended masters, or whatever, but same methodology and pattern.

After enough time, these people tend to become "experts" on the ideas, philosophy, and story given to them by these beings. Sometimes they become active participants, working for them willingly, and being okay with that. Often they feel like they know what's up, what the truth is, how things work, what the deal is.

But the funny thing is, all of them generally contradict each other. I even encouraged two of them to get together online to chat and compare notes. Well, they did so, and both came away deeply confused and disturbed, wondering why their stories didn't even come close to matching, why the other hadn't heard of this or that concept, or why this or that name of some important group/being/faction didn't ring a bell.

I was fortunate enough to know one of them before they underwent "contact" and got to see the whole process unfold as it happened. It started with minor astral parasite harassment, then with a bit of astral projection, lucid dreaming, becoming somewhat psychic, then hearing voices and seeing beings, channeling/automatic writing, and getting increasingly sucked up into their words, dramas, stories. Guy ended up in a mental hospital for a bit. Tried to help him but guess I wasn't as interesting and entertaining as the beings.

mek
01-25-2016, 04:05 PM
But the funny thing is, all of them generally contradict each other. I even encouraged two of them to get together online to chat and compare notes. Well, they did so, and both came away deeply confused and disturbed, wondering why their stories didn't even come close to matching, why the other hadn't heard of this or that concept, or why this or that name of some important group/being/faction didn't ring a bell.

It's quite probable, people have different entities they are in contact with, everyone has different settings in life in general otherwise too, we are not all "apple trees".

It's about how one interprets the entities one is in contact with. They say something to me the other day and the other about the same thing on another. What is left this confusion you mentioned. How do they match, well of course there are controversies on different interpretations. See what goes around Bible, we have lots of different interpretations, so many and it's still the same book.

I'm saying that the stories on these different days do match on some level, but the entities I'm in contact with are very deceptive and usually try to make me less gullible, for example, by giving these information that conflict also. They are suggestive and manipulative in nature, but still I trust the system behind it, that it isn't meant as harmful, so I listen and also write down what they say to me and ask questions, since I've learned they actually aren't rubbish information.

For others these information might be at first of course very complex and difficult to understand, but well have you ever studied some science deeply, it gets to this complex and difficult to understand at some point, it's natural when one studies something for a long time and tries to connect the dots of information.

L-W
01-25-2016, 05:38 PM
@ Fore

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Not exactly, it depends on various factors.

Thank you so much. That cleared up alot for me.

I haven't utilized the higher mind or higher self much. Is this the same thing?
How do I assign operations to the higher mind?

I am under the impression that my organism has an ?autonomous? mind of it's own. How, if and to what extent is this true?


So there you go.

You've pretty much have been convinced that what is happening is actually a good thing. <shrug>
Same tricks same old application.

I believe this big step of the ascension process (voices) has been given a green, or atleast a yellow light for me, and that my evolution has gotten a small boost.
I also believe that there is a group of physical people cursing me, and that this is why I have endured much, much more suffering than I deserve. Regardless, I am more steadfast and focused than ever.


I used that terminology.
It depends on how you choose to understand the process in front of you.

If you look at "influence" long enough in all its various states, you'd likely remark that it seems to be a pretty complex set of rules. The influence itself seems to affect and actually define the processes of physical nature. But this "influence" itself does not appear to be a 3D object nor does it behave like a 3D object.

So like a defined and divisible piece of behavior, it is functional. --> Codified in my terminology.
If you alter the function of a specific kind of codified "influence" it seemingly and reliably affects physical matter.

Whoever made "influence" rules (God?) and the physical matter that relies on its discrete behavior, they seem to have purposely made it pliable.

Artificial programs that require very little surveillance from the creator, yet mimics real consciousness, or performs logical run-routines (you're a programmer right?).
Can artificial programs perform non-logical operations, such as exhibit traits of free-will?

Yeah. I have been working on influence since I was a kid without even knowing what it was, in various ways.

Fore
01-28-2016, 07:17 AM
@ Fore

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Thank you so much. That cleared up alot for me.

I haven't utilized the higher mind or higher self much. Is this the same thing?
How do I assign operations to the higher mind? It is a long winded topic that has been touched upon lots of times in the past. Just flip through the pages and you'll see the conversations.

To answer your question, I consider the higher mind and higher self to be pretty much the same.

You assign operations (directives) by understanding how the various layers of your inner workings "tie together" to form the "you" that you experience right now.

In other words, if you have a basic understanding of how the pieces go together, you'll devise a strategy (with ample testing and feedback) which will allow you to take your lower (conscious minds) intent and translate it into a "higher" directive which the upper portions of your mentality can then act upon. Then, this directive has to translate properly into a different kind of system that you higher mind works with and is ultimately carried out at a higher layer of what constitutes the immaterial "you".

But for all of that to happen you need to have a psychic field and lots of continuous experience with the parts of "you" that normal people don't normally focus on.

Not my best answer to date, but if I condense it this much, it pretty much comes out as not saying much. Sorry about that.


I am under the impression that my organism has an ?autonomous? mind of it's own. Pretty much a yes and no. It depends on how you look at it. If you take the ET perspective on things, then...pretty much you would state that the lower mind and it's organic composition has autonomous algorithms.

Patterns of behavior which facilitate...whats the right choice of words...."self care".

In other words, your lower half (at least from some ET perspectives) is basically an organic machine with an organic mindset with lots of different algorithms that make it tick properly. Which the thing that makes it move this way or that way is the spiritual "you" which is neither here nor there in the common sense. The spiritual you is the invisible hand that drives the organic mindset and the organic body to do something.

And in reverse, the organic mind and body affects and somewhat forces the decisions of the spiritual self or impulse that drives it. Making a human being a "human being".

All this is tied together by various procedural algorithms and codified instructions. Which exists as a tether of an quasi-immaterial layer of reality (called "influence") that is what binds the spiritual you and your body/mindset together.

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So if you look at it from that perspective your reasoning that your organic body and it's mind is autonomous is sort of a yes and no.

Lets just say that there is a lot of instruction code between the layers that makes it all work. If you look into it is pretty logical as a set up. Which implies some kind of intelligence above the ET level have designed life (and all life systems).


How, if and to what extent is this true? The ET perspective on the organic mind and the body is that it is mostly threads of operations that combine to create the illusion of a mindset.

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How do I put it....

Lets say you built a toy RC car, Imagine that RC toy car has software that makes it move and charges it's battery.

Those are coded algorithms.
The toy car moves when you press on the joystick up or down.
You don't need to know how much voltage is applied to the wheels or how much torque. The autonomy of the basic software does that for you.

All you do is drive the impulse and the toy car moves this way or that way.

So the easiest way to understand "you" is that "you" are an entity that exists in various interlocking pieces.
Some parts of you are organic algo-rythms. Some parts of your are spiritual.


I believe this big step of the ascension process (voices) has been given a green, or atleast a yellow light for me, and that my evolution has gotten a small boost.
I also believe that there is a group of physical people cursing me, and that this is why I have endured much, much more suffering than I deserve. Regardless, I am more steadfast and focused than ever. I am pretty sure my explanation is the right one. I think it is alot simpler a situation than you think it is.


Artificial programs that require very little surveillance from the creator, yet mimics real consciousness, or performs logical run-routines (you're a programmer right?).
Can artificial programs perform non-logical operations, such as exhibit traits of free-will? Hard to say.

If you want to think about it. Lets just say it is very likely that the ET have already made artificial intelligence. Except rather than using principles of pure robotics, they use organic principles/psychic interaction/loopback mimicry.

Algorithms of all sorts taken to the next step....or at least that is what I think I saw.

Fore
01-28-2016, 07:31 AM
Basically, the human body is a spiritual equivalent of an encounter suit.

You remote control it from somewhere. And it keeps you seeing things from one point in spacetime until there until it expires.

When your body has urges to have sex or eat or sleep, it is pretty much autonomous algorithms that keeps the organic hardware in check. You (the spiritual entity) don't actually sleep.

(as far as I can tell)

Fore
02-01-2016, 03:03 AM
Basically, the human body is a spiritual equivalent of an encounter suit.

You remote control it from somewhere. And it keeps you seeing things from one point in spacetime until there until it expires.

When your body has urges to have sex or eat or sleep, it is pretty much autonomous algorithms that keeps the organic hardware in check. You (the spiritual entity) don't actually sleep.

(as far as I can tell)It is possible that scientist have started to figure out the "influence" space/field.

https://youtu.be/D8Oj_hcFE5c?t=526

Feel free to watch a few seconds from that point in the conversation and then run it from the beginning.

L-W
02-07-2016, 11:35 PM
Any thoughts on the double-slit and/or delayed choice experiment?
What about Quantum Entanglement?

(Any ET perspectives on theese things?)

This seems like a good video, especially after 7:56:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Z_TIw9InA

Fore
02-14-2016, 05:46 PM
I am thinking of writing a piece of text to ensure a couple of points come across the psyche of the collective members of the forum.

The problem is, I am bothered (rather deeply) by the reactions one would surmise "others" (Human/ET) would have if explained properly. Hitting the nail on the head when no ones asking you to seems like a bad idea.


I have financial security, so where is the incentive to say anything?
If I say anything, it always turns out very badly for me in very real ways. I prefer to simply say nothing.
I then reasoned, well I will expound on it as simply a work of fiction, then tie in all the elements of real conversations, that should be enough?
Though inside my mind, I already know that is not a good idea, and even if presented as a work of fiction with real elements of information, it will not be taken kindly....at all.

So why stir the hornets on both sides when it is best to simply keep it to myself and walk away?
Sounds like it is better to walk away and simply stay silent. Even if the elements are presented in a story of fiction, I have a deep sense of dread of writing anything. It seems like the urge and common sense are opposing poles.

Peace of mind is a hard thing to come by, I think I will need to pray on it and see what comes out of it. I don't think I need to start picking fights when things are pretty calm and going well. That just seems like self sabotage in my mind.
Perhaps it is time to dig in and enforce some impulse control rather than getting two or three dozen points across.

I find myself devaluing the worthiness of the information in favor of personal comfort. I think that is a mental effect of self preservation, right?

Fore
02-14-2016, 05:51 PM
If someone with a former military background (at least higher than a common "grunt") could be there to pose as a wall to certain set of questions... I think that would suffice to get the point across.

calikid
02-14-2016, 07:16 PM
I am thinking of writing a piece of text to ensure a couple of points come across the psyche of the collective members of the forum.

The problem is, I am bothered (rather deeply) by the reactions one would surmise "others" (Human/ET) would have if explained properly. Hitting the nail on the head when no ones asking you to seems like a bad idea.


I have financial security, so where is the incentive to say anything?
If I say anything, it always turns out very badly for me in very real ways. I prefer to simply say nothing.
I then reasoned, well I will expound on it as simply a work of fiction, then tie in all the elements of real conversations, that should be enough?
Though inside my mind, I already know that is not a good idea, and even if presented as a work of fiction with real elements of information, it will not be taken kindly....at all.

So why stir the hornets on both sides when it is best to simply keep it to myself and walk away?
Sounds like it is better to walk away and simply stay silent. Even if the elements are presented in a story of fiction, I have a deep sense of dread of writing anything. It seems like the urge and common sense are opposing poles.

Peace of mind is a hard thing to come by, I think I will need to pray on it and see what comes out of it. I don't think I need to start picking fights when things are pretty calm and going well. That just seems like self sabotage in my mind.
Perhaps it is time to dig in and enforce some impulse control rather than getting two or three dozen points across.

I find myself devaluing the worthiness of the information in favor of personal comfort. I think that is a mental effect of self preservation, right?
I rather like the idea of a "work of fiction".
Worked for EdF with his " Alien Rapture " story. I'm sure there were pros and cons associated with publishing, but in the end, its out there for all to see.

Would it be possible to write it up, and slowly release it a chapter at a time (maybe store a full copy elsewhere as insurance)?
That way if bad things start to happen, you could slow the release until you deal with whatever comes up.

Just a suggestion.
Good luck, whatever you decide.

lycaeus
02-14-2016, 07:43 PM
I am thinking of writing a piece of text to ensure a couple of points come across the psyche of the collective members of the forum.


Is it things you've already covered in the past?

Edward
02-15-2016, 04:21 AM
I am thinking of writing a piece of text to ensure a couple of points come across the psyche of the collective members of the forum.

The problem is, I am bothered (rather deeply) by the reactions one would surmise "others" (Human/ET) would have if explained properly. Hitting the nail on the head when no ones asking you to seems like a bad idea.


I have financial security, so where is the incentive to say anything?
If I say anything, it always turns out very badly for me in very real ways. I prefer to simply say nothing.
I then reasoned, well I will expound on it as simply a work of fiction, then tie in all the elements of real conversations, that should be enough?
Though inside my mind, I already know that is not a good idea, and even if presented as a work of fiction with real elements of information, it will not be taken kindly....at all.

So why stir the hornets on both sides when it is best to simply keep it to myself and walk away?
Sounds like it is better to walk away and simply stay silent. Even if the elements are presented in a story of fiction, I have a deep sense of dread of writing anything. It seems like the urge and common sense are opposing poles.

Peace of mind is a hard thing to come by, I think I will need to pray on it and see what comes out of it. I don't think I need to start picking fights when things are pretty calm and going well. That just seems like self sabotage in my mind.
Perhaps it is time to dig in and enforce some impulse control rather than getting two or three dozen points across.

I find myself devaluing the worthiness of the information in favor of personal comfort. I think that is a mental effect of self preservation, right?


Hit it on the Head Fore, convey what is inside you that you know in your heart you must say.


Yes you are correct. Self preservation and then there is the road less traveled. Here is the thing. The Choice is yours. Not the ets/sprits/Uts all the above and below, nor the government, or entities that dull consquences. It's by no means an easy task , it it was, do you think the world would be in this current state and it's people???


So it has all happened before, the question is for you. Do you wish to have it happen again?

Edward

Edward
02-15-2016, 04:23 AM
If someone with a former military background (at least higher than a common "grunt") could be there to pose as a wall to certain set of questions... I think that would suffice to get the point across.

I come from a military family myself. I almost was in the service(s) but well I had some thyroid issues that kept my BMI index too high so I didn't qualify to get in at the time. I could be a defacto confidante in that matter. :)

Edward

Fore
02-15-2016, 02:15 PM
I come from a military family myself. I almost was in the service(s) but well I had some thyroid issues that kept my BMI index too high so I didn't qualify to get in at the time. I could be a defacto confidante in that matter. :)

EdwardThanks @ Calikid/Edward

I don't even know if it matters that I can opt to wrap it up in a work of fiction to get the point across.
Honestly, I think it matters who it comes from as opposed to how it is presented that would weigh more on some minds.
Maybe I am being paranoid, or maybe it is just common sense.
I suspect I could jump up and down and swear I was lying while still pointing out something I wanted to convey and I would still get pummeled to hell in a heartbeat.

Maybe I have just become too scared of the 'what ifs' that in recent memory were always absolutely certain and fully expected.

I don't think even framing specific pieces of information in a way that makes it supposedly seem less "real" would actually pass without some kind of intervention.

I have thought (today) of different strategies and weighed it against what I expect.

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I thought of "well, I will write it as a work of fiction".
Though I don't think anyone interested would take it kindly even if I wrap it in that thin wrapping.

I reminded myself that I have already tried that before. I don't recall it actually having the intended effect.
The only thing in this strategy that ever worked is writing about something and intentionally downplaying it with ET oversight.
That did seem to work, but like I would ever have anything to do with them anymore.

I also worry about what the human side of the equation would be like. Most people at the public level wouldn't see it as anything more than a curiosity, but I strongly suspect someone with more knowledge would look it over with the wrong kind of eyes.

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The next option (so far the best contender) is to simply follow a trick that does seem to deflect the blow of what is watching.
Which is to "use" other people (in this case someone in a former military position) to answer "guided" questions.
Narrow enough questions, that you pretty much expect a narrow enough conclusion to come out of it.
Which means the information is generated by the person at the other end, and is in essence, less about me and more about the other person. (well I hope it turns out that way)

I have tried it before, and a number of people get a good wallop and I don't get nearly as much flack.
I used to call it the "throwing the other person under the bus method".
I assume it is because it is genuinely third party content? Dunno.
Just seems to be like wearing a Teflon suit (for me, not for them).

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So the point is, I just need someone with a military background, preferably someone who has worked in a position of security to answer a few simple questions. It gives me less control over how the person will respond, but it also means it should pass the sniff test under scrutiny.

I don't need a perfect imparting of the intended info, just a "good enough" idea for members to recognize at least a dozen points as something to consider.

I surmise, if someone of a high enough position were asked the very same questions, if they knew anything as indicated by ET's years ago, they would stay silent on even conjecture of that nature of the subject.

So it seems logical to pose the (seemingly innocent) question(s) to someone who has at one time been at least a part of some kind of base security. Someone who could be posed a simple series of 'what ifs'. If they are a logical and rational individual the entire concept should come across in a pretty straight forward point that should make anyone reading think about it.

Though, if someone were watching with a high level of knowledge, I suspect they would not be amused on the what ifs.
As long as I downplay it the right way, I think I can make it seem like nothing important was said.
But if you see me get nervous or twitchy it is a sign I am failing to perform the acrobatic feat in just the right way to come out unscathed.

The ET schema is always orientated strongly towards the bland and uninformative. So keeping that in mind while trying to make sure the other guy/gal doesn't respond too informatively is the bigger risk. I think I can manage to keep things as bland and uninformative. Though I seriously don't see how the people reading it won't catch on to the deeper meanings and implications.

As long as someone has a heartbeat and a pulse, they should be able to figure it out.

All I need is a simple military man/woman with a good head and (not too insightful) commentary based on the what if's. As long as they know about security protocols it should cover the first dozen principles taught by ET.

With that much I think I can guarantee at least a dozen points coming across properly, I would love for the other two dozen to come across...but I think it might be all based on luck.

I have the fishing line cast out, lets see if anyone bites.

Edward
02-15-2016, 06:27 PM
Thanks @ Calikid/Edward

I don't even know if it matters that I can opt to wrap it up in a work of fiction to get the point across.
Honestly, I think it matters who it comes from as opposed to how it is presented that would weigh more on some minds.
Maybe I am being paranoid, or maybe it is just common sense.
I suspect I could jump up and down and swear I was lying while still pointing out something I wanted to convey and I would still get pummeled to hell in a heartbeat.

Maybe I have just become too scared of the 'what ifs' that in recent memory were always absolutely certain and fully expected.

I don't think even framing specific pieces of information in a way that makes it supposedly seem less "real" would actually pass without some kind of intervention.

I have thought (today) of different strategies and weighed it against what I expect.

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I thought of "well, I will write it as a work of fiction".
Though I don't think anyone interested would take it kindly even if I wrap it in that thin wrapping.

I reminded myself that I have already tried that before. I don't recall it actually having the intended effect.
The only thing in this strategy that ever worked is writing about something and intentionally downplaying it with ET oversight.
That did seem to work, but like I would ever have anything to do with them anymore.

I also worry about what the human side of the equation would be like. Most people at the public level wouldn't see it as anything more than a curiosity, but I strongly suspect someone with more knowledge would look it over with the wrong kind of eyes.

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The next option (so far the best contender) is to simply follow a trick that does seem to deflect the blow of what is watching.
Which is to "use" other people (in this case someone in a former military position) to answer "guided" questions.
Narrow enough questions, that you pretty much expect a narrow enough conclusion to come out of it.
Which means the information is generated by the person at the other end, and is in essence, less about me and more about the other person. (well I hope it turns out that way)

I have tried it before, and a number of people get a good wallop and I don't get nearly as much flack.
I used to call it the "throwing the other person under the bus method".
I assume it is because it is genuinely third party content? Dunno.
Just seems to be like wearing a Teflon suit (for me, not for them).

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So the point is, I just need someone with a military background, preferably someone who has worked in a position of security to answer a few simple questions. It gives me less control over how the person will respond, but it also means it should pass the sniff test under scrutiny.

I don't need a perfect imparting of the intended info, just a "good enough" idea for members to recognize at least a dozen points as something to consider.

I surmise, if someone of a high enough position were asked the very same questions, if they knew anything as indicated by ET's years ago, they would stay silent on even conjecture of that nature of the subject.

So it seems logical to pose the (seemingly innocent) question(s) to someone who has at one time been at least a part of some kind of base security. Someone who could be posed a simple series of 'what ifs'. If they are a logical and rational individual the entire concept should come across in a pretty straight forward point that should make anyone reading think about it.

Though, if someone were watching with a high level of knowledge, I suspect they would not be amused on the what ifs.
As long as I downplay it the right way, I think I can make it seem like nothing important was said.
But if you see me get nervous or twitchy it is a sign I am failing to perform the acrobatic feat in just the right way to come out unscathed.

The ET schema is always orientated strongly towards the bland and uninformative. So keeping that in mind while trying to make sure the other guy/gal doesn't respond too informatively is the bigger risk. I think I can manage to keep things as bland and uninformative. Though I seriously don't see how the people reading it won't catch on to the deeper meanings and implications.

As long as someone has a heartbeat and a pulse, they should be able to figure it out.

All I need is a simple military man/woman with a good head and (not too insightful) commentary based on the what if's. As long as they know about security protocols it should cover the first dozen principles taught by ET.

With that much I think I can guarantee at least a dozen points coming across properly, I would love for the other two dozen to come across...but I think it might be all based on luck.

I have the fishing line cast out, lets see if anyone bites.


Here is what I have to say about your what ifs and people who have the information about what you are disclosing and how they would feel about it. From a military perspective. They would be none too happy about it. They would do everything they can with out exposing themselves or the information posed by the what if's to some how undermine what is being said, Ie: shills and what not. If the information is so critical, you could be removed or targeted in some fashion. Or people you know. The range of being targeted and by what means can vary. Basically if you keep becoming more of a threat/danger to subverting the disinfo that is already being spun about various topics and shed more truth in the matter you will be keep being targeted more liberally until the matter is deemed obscured or potentially taken care of which can result in many different scenario's of which Im sure you are trying to avoid.

But here is the thing, the chit has been starting to come out the can. Various information(truths) on a whole slew of things are out there in tidbits. Rather than cause more of a chit storm and lend credence to what is being said. They rather just add more chit that's coming out the can and muddy the waters. To keep people more distracted and at odds with each other while totally missing the point. That actually part of the play book of the elites actually. You can see it in every facet of life on the surface of the earth.


Edward

P.S. Or nothing could happen( on a terrestial level)



edit: I guess I cant say **** so I used chit. Also added a P.S.

Arkki
02-16-2016, 01:21 AM
Ha. It's been a while since I had such a clear checkup. Grey I think, but ... intricate, vivid instead of machinelike. And it had something to do with fore. So then came to forum and noticed that you're teasing them again :biggrin2: Alas, I don't have military background, woulnd't otherwise mind playing ball, and I'm not certain where you're going at. And of those I could talk over lunch with, not really that background, security huh. Still, glad to see you're up to your old tricks :biggrin2: So, whatever you're cooking, don't hold it back.

How about you write down the questions, and maybe answers from right kind of person will turn up?

Fore
02-16-2016, 06:06 AM
Ha. It's been a while since I had such a clear checkup. Grey I think, but ... intricate, vivid instead of machinelike. And it had something to do with fore. So then came to forum and noticed that you're teasing them again :biggrin2: Well, keep in mind some of them (ET) are pre-cognitive and operate with fore-sight.

They'll need to know about the layout of the mental landscape between individuals. Mental content, where it's going, what people are thinking, and if it affects any agenda. (which it won't, I promise)
It's normal. At every turn they will keep updating psychic data and you'll keep noticing "it" as we "innocently" have a casual conversation. When there is nothing worth observing, they'll stop.

Keep in mind, they (ET I knew) usually don't care what individuals think about, in-so-much-as what you intend to do with a given idea. If you spread it to another forum or you change the way you think about something, then it is supposed to be an issue.

I don't intend any malicious activity though, but I know certain things are better left unsaid for various reasons.

Lets hope Garuda/Calikid keeps things running during the next internet storm.

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Speaking of shills and the last recent outage, I wonder if that bait was about...this? Nah, just a coincidence. :das:angel_not:


Alas, I don't have military background, woulnd't otherwise mind playing ball, and I'm not certain where you're going at. And of those I could talk over lunch with, not really that background, security huh. Still, glad to see you're up to your old tricks :biggrin2: So, whatever you're cooking, don't hold it back.

How about you write down the questions, and maybe answers from right kind of person will turn up?No, while the ET's probably already know what I intend, I think that leading the security "what ifs" questions in a blind manner will probably be the best outcome.

As long as the other person is blindly led through to obvious or narrow conclusions, anyone reading should figure out...maybe...why certain activity seen from afar has taken on the shape it has.

Maybe,
pure speculation though. :angel_not:

pontificator
02-16-2016, 08:21 AM
@Fore, good you're isolating it down to a Former Military type for the questions. In an alternate reality I can imagine you posing them to me, and then the forum and it's members being subsequently abducted ;)

It's that busy time of year again, and I have a cold. I note my field went rock-solid [absolute solid pressure, and field, no pain] several times in a two day period before it, and that my field is operating at prior levels to that even with the cold; confirming there is a threshold above which a disease will not suppress the field in my case. There is also the possibility that the field was responding to the disease, or that the disease was a consequence of the elevated field; further colds required to test.

I must admit I've not been practicing with the field much lately, have been hit by boredom and the new hobby of gardening... if everything goes according to plan my neighbors will experience an invasion of several different types of vegetable.

L-W
02-17-2016, 12:04 AM
If you need a very tough individual with a strong psyche. I'm up for your service, Fore.

I'm pretty much bored all the time anyway.

Wansen
02-17-2016, 04:03 AM
If there's anything I can (try to) answer Fore, I'm most happy to help.

Fore
02-20-2016, 06:17 AM
If there's anything I can (try to) answer Fore, I'm most happy to help.

Sorry about the delay, was busy for a while.

I briefly checked your recent posts and it seems you fit the profile.

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Thank you Longeyes, I couldn't find it on the MUFON site as I was looking for an article or news story.

It's quite a story.

At every Naval communication station & center I've worked in, highly classified material handling required an E-6/7 or above at all times. Before a highly classified message was received, a warning message would be received just prior informing us that a highly classified message was coming in and requiring the appropriately ranked NCO to confirm their rank before the message was sent from the other end.

A blind would then be placed over the printer and the print-out would only be glanced at to confirm it printed correctly, logged in by the unclassified header, classification stamped then sealed. The point I'm trying to make is that it's not all that easy to see the 'good' stuff.

Only if one has access to a private location (or the clearance & need-to-know) can one peruse highly classified information. After the Walker scandal, all highly classified information required the presence of two persons during transmission, transfer, receipt or destruction which is also logged. So unless you really, really trusted your opposite, you were too scared to violate "OPSEC" (operational security) as you knew they'd throw you in a hole for (most of) the rest of your life.

Generally speaking, that's the higher-ranked NCO's & officers, cryptographic technicians and intelligence specialists but not (usually) a radioman never mind an E4.

I'm not saying he is lying, perhaps they did it differently at NAS's, however, it is IMO, highly unusual for an RM3 to have access to that (undoubtedly) extremely high-level of classified material.

The above posts indicates that you have an understanding of what are the basic layers of security.

For example,

--Limiting physical access to a base is one form of physical security. To deny access to a foreign entity at a physical location is in principle to deny access to be present to observe classified information.
Walls and people are impediments to the foreign observer.

--For communication systems between bases, another layer of security is employed between long distances. It is usually encryption of messages and streams of information of vital importance or the placement of locations and resources along the lines and endpoints of communication.

--Another form of obfuscating information from a foreign entity is by limiting who knows what and how much. Another layer of security which only allow relevant individuals access to just enough information to perform.

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Now the first scenario of what if's.

Fore
02-20-2016, 06:56 AM
@ wansen

You are an individual person working at a base. Onsite, an occurrence at the site begins to occur; you are assigned as one of a 6 person group to investigate the occurrence.

Near the site is an airfield, much to your amazement, there is a UFO at the location. You observe for a few minutes that the craft appears to glide silently over the ground and stops. As you approach the craft, you lose communication with the 5 other individuals. Despite this, you can see the other three individuals visually. 2 of the 6 stay behind a hanger observing your approach of the craft while 4 (including you) investigate the unknown craft.

As you approach the craft, you notice hue shifts to the color of light and some disorientation. You experience a strong buzzing sensation in your limbs and head. As you approach the craft, you begin to surmise that the craft is of unknown origin and looks like a UFO out of some sci-fi movie.

walking around the craft, you notice that a portal with bright white light is along the side of the craft. The other three men follow you as you lead the investigation. Your radio continued to be unresponsive. As you walk into what you believe to be a craft of unearthly origin, you notice two occupants who do not appear to be conscious inside. They are sitting in what looks like chairs molded into the bottom of this craft.

You signal to two of the men, to immediately retrace their steps and notify physically the first two men by the hanger. You indicate that their priority is to inform the base of the find.

As you look around carefully, you notice a strange array of panels of light and materials you do not recognize. But most importantly you realize that there is a third seat and only two ET's. You surmise that there is possibly a third individual that is not accounted for and you take precautions for your groups safety.

As you try to grasp the situation (being careful not to activate any kind of functionality upon this craft) you realize that one of the pilots becomes aware and directs its sight to the individual (the man you came in with) seemingly with great difficulty and momentarily lock sights with him. Then, after a moment, the individual man to you left seems to stagger momentarily and make a strange sound and supports himself by placing his hand above a nearby console.

The ET motions near one of it's consoles and loses consciousness. As it does so, the entire inside (including consoles) appears to dim and the radio you have with you begins to function. After a moment a man in charge of security calls out your name from the entrance. You call back and tell them about the two apparent ET pilots.

As you help the man with you to the entrance, you notice that the daytime is now evening and there is a pale green hue of light coming from the craft. Outside, there is an array of flood lights as well as men in strange uniforms that you do not recognize. They escort you off the craft and no one says anything as they lead you away.

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End of first scenario.

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The next few days no ones says anything to you and you are kept in isolation. You are not allowed any form of contact nor are any of the individuals whom you were with allowed to see you.

After a week, a man in a black suit comes in and addresses you. He asks you your name, your rank, and about your background. He never answers anything, he always asks you about yourself. He walks away and another week passes.

At some point, you are led out of confinement with a black cloth over your head and you are sat in a room with no occupants. This is repeated several times throughout the day.

At the end of the third day, you are asked by another man in a black suit about what you saw and what you experienced. You answer all questions truthfully, which is that you were ordered to investigate a craft of unknown origin, the apparent size and description of the craft, the two pilots and details of where and what everyone was at the time everything occurred.

The man walks away without answering anything.

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After the third week, another man walks in and asked you the same questions as the second man. Again you relay everything.
After your responses, you are asked about what you think you saw. You answer.

Finally the man, asks you to join a team of special investigators as a consultant of general base security. You are to provide important observations and any insights you think are noteworthy in terms of security changes based on your experience. They discuss general security clearances. They discuss your history. After a while they indicate you will be a assigned a role in an investigative group.

After a while you are greeted by two individuals a man and a woman you have never met before, at this point you are introduced by names as karen and mark.

These are the people who you will give guidance to, about this strange incident. After your approved position has been formalized, you will get a (I think you call it a debriefing) over the incident and what is known.

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So far so good wansen?

Wansen
02-20-2016, 10:39 AM
@ wansen

You are an individual person working at a base. Onsite, an occurrence at the site begins to occur; you are assigned as one of a 6 person group to investigate the occurrence.

Near the site is an airfield, much to your amazement, there is a UFO at the location. You observe for a few minutes that the craft appears to glide silently over the ground and stops. As you approach the craft, you lose communication with the 5 other individuals. Despite this, you can see the other three individuals visually. 2 of the 6 stay behind a hanger observing your approach of the craft while 4 (including you) investigate the unknown craft.

As you approach the craft, you notice hue shifts to the color of light and some disorientation. You experience a strong buzzing sensation in your limbs and head. As you approach the craft, you begin to surmise that the craft is of unknown origin and looks like a UFO out of some sci-fi movie.

walking around the craft, you notice that a portal with bright white light is along the side of the craft. The other three men follow you as you lead the investigation. Your radio continued to be unresponsive. As you walk into what you believe to be a craft of unearthly origin, you notice two occupants who do not appear to be conscious inside. They are sitting in what looks like chairs molded into the bottom of this craft.

You signal to two of the men, to immediately retrace their steps and notify physically the first two men by the hanger. You indicate that their priority is to inform the base of the find.

As you look around carefully, you notice a strange array of panels of light and materials you do not recognize. But most importantly you realize that there is a third seat and only two ET's. You surmise that there is possibly a third individual that is not accounted for and you take precautions for your groups safety.

As you try to grasp the situation (being careful not to activate any kind of functionality upon this craft) you realize that one of the pilots becomes aware and directs its sight to the individual (the man you came in with) seemingly with great difficulty and momentarily lock sights with him. Then, after a moment, the individual man to you left seems to stagger momentarily and make a strange sound and supports himself by placing his hand above a nearby console.

The ET motions near one of it's consoles and loses consciousness. As it does so, the entire inside (including consoles) appears to dim and the radio you have with you begins to function. After a moment a man in charge of security calls out your name from the entrance. You call back and tell them about the two apparent ET pilots.

As you help the man with you to the entrance, you notice that the daytime is now evening and there is a pale green hue of light coming from the craft. Outside, there is an array of flood lights as well as men in strange uniforms that you do not recognize. They escort you off the craft and no one says anything as they lead you away.

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End of first scenario.

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The next few days no ones says anything to you and you are kept in isolation. You are not allowed any form of contact nor are any of the individuals whom you were with allowed to see you.

After a week, a man in a black suit comes in and addresses you. He asks you your name, your rank, and about your background. He never answers anything, he always asks you about yourself. He walks away and another week passes.

At some point, you are led out of confinement with a black cloth over your head and you are sat in a room with no occupants. This is repeated several times throughout the day.

At the end of the third day, you are asked by another man in a black suit about what you saw and what you experienced. You answer all questions truthfully, which is that you were ordered to investigate a craft of unknown origin, the apparent size and description of the craft, the two pilots and details of where and what everyone was at the time everything occurred.

The man walks away without answering anything.

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After the third week, another man walks in and asked you the same questions as the second man. Again you relay everything.
After your responses, you are asked about what you think you saw. You answer.

Finally the man, asks you to join a team of special investigators as a consultant of general base security. You are to provide important observations and any insights you think are noteworthy in terms of security changes based on your experience. They discuss general security clearances. They discuss your history. After a while they indicate you will be a assigned a role in an investigative group.

After a while you are greeted by two individuals a man and a woman you have never met before, at this point you are introduced by names as karen and mark.

These are the people who you will give guidance to, about this strange incident. After your approved position has been formalized, you will get a (I think you call it a debriefing) over the incident and what is known.

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So far so good wansen?

So far, very good Fore. I'm riveted and can't wait to read more.

Fore
02-25-2016, 12:49 AM
So far, very good Fore. I'm riveted and can't wait to read more.

Sorry it has been a tiring pair of days:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6EFaMqEk6s

Will get myself back on track soon.

Wansen
02-25-2016, 09:43 AM
Sorry it has been a tiring pair of days:


Will get myself back on track soon.

I completely understand. Free time is a scarcity nowadays.

L-W
02-28-2016, 08:31 PM
Can my body/brain be used as a processor for processing raw data, by an external source/entity, and output cognitive/processed data to that source/entity?

Or something like that.

Sansanoy
02-28-2016, 09:34 PM
Well many abductees report having their mind scanned and then having that scan put into a hybrid. I don't know if that is exactly what is going on, but that is what is reported.

Fore
02-28-2016, 10:58 PM
Can my body/brain be used as a processor for processing raw data, by an external source/entity, and output cognitive/processed data to that source/entity?

Or something like that.Yes, I am surprised you understood that.

Did anyone else understand that pretty important point?

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"Passive" mind reading (the easiest kind of access) is when you access data that lingers in segment 2, and 2a.
"Active" mind reading (requires more invasive methods) involves taking (~hijack) over some of the field at 2, thereby gaining access to 2a, 3 and 3a. Your system (as a person) comes under the control of a foreign entity.

Allowing a foreign entity to emit/introduce signaling (2 through 3a) into your system.
In other words, the foreign entity acting "hijacking as you" is going to issue top-down instructions to pull data from organic structures belonging to your own body.
Which the persons own internal systems percolates/generates the information from 3/3a to 2 and 2a format.

Sometimes even 1a signaling format if necessary. It depends on the purpose and intent of the ET.

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The major difference between active mind reading and induced paralysis is the level and type of signaling.
It's all very logical if you understand the basic methodology and employed tactics.


Sorry for the delay, troubles and lots of catching up on my end.

The main model of experiencing external communication (spiritual or psychic) that I know of to date can be summed up into a simple three layered tree.

Going from obscure to physicality:

1 --> Spiritual signaling
1a (Higher Mental aspect generated somewhere around here)
2 --> Influence signaling (psychic information and messaging system)
2a (Lower-Mental aspects generated somewhere around here)
3 --> Physical signaling
3a (Things that happen at a physical level / Sensory experiences)



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I was going to ask wansen about such a scenario, but to be honest, I am kind of worried about doing so.
I am hoping he will down play the significance of the issue if he answers properly. But I am not sure that he will.
That keeps me a scared cat.

Fore
02-28-2016, 11:14 PM
For example,

@ Wansen

2 scenarios,

Scenario 1)
How are security protocols and military secrecy you've dealt with affected by the following.

--A potential ET entity who can read "thought and memory" content generated by any human individual on a base.
Within a proximity of 30km of the entity (unseen off the bases perimeter).

--"Thought and memory content" is defined as any seen, heard, internally reminisced about, thought about or experience within the last 30 days.

In other words, an entity outside the security zone of a base, with a 30km radius of access to any human individual.
Does not matter if they are in the line of sight or within the confines of a walled structure.

(Scenario 2 is after you answer scenario 1)

Wansen
02-29-2016, 03:02 AM
For example,

@ Wansen

2 scenarios,

Scenario 1)
How are security protocols and military secrecy you've dealt with affected by the following.

--A potential ET entity who can read "thought and memory" content generated by any human individual on a base.
Within a proximity of 30km of the entity (unseen off the bases perimeter).

--"Thought and memory content" is defined as any seen, heard, internally reminisced about, thought about or experience within the last 30 days.

In other words, an entity outside the security zone of a base, with a 30km radius of access to any human individual.
Does not matter if they are in the line of sight or within the confines of a walled structure.

(Scenario 2 is after you answer scenario 1)

Interesting scenario Fore...

I should think that if we had evidence of any entity that could read "thought and memory content" from as far as 30 km from our base, our Communications Security specialists would be in a state of total panic. Potentially any highly classified material that had been read or written within the past 30 days could be compromised which is 'their' worst nightmare and then some. Even remembered cipher & crypto codes would be at risk which could be used to 'break' (pre)recorded data heretofore unintelligible.

In my experience, there is almost nothing the Navy wouldn't do to avoid or control this and the lengths that they would potentially go to are only limited by the imagination. Consider the fact that (during my tours) all supervisor level (and above) cryptologic technicians (CT'O' & CT'R'), were trained in the use the of thermite should it be necessary to destroy (melt) their equipment.

At a US Naval Communications base, undoubtedly, an alert would occur and a full "Sanitization" would be immediately ordered. A base-wide, full lockdown would occur. All access points would be secured and guarded. Fast-reaction ("REACT") teams would be racing through all areas of the base ready to attack (and kill with extreme prejudice), any one or anything that didn't belong.

An emergency, "Flash" (highest precedence, same as a nuke launch), message would be sent stating the base had been compromised and was unsecure which under protocols would scramble C-130's, fighters and (more importantly) bombers. The C-130's (launched from an NAS or USAF base), would start landing right on the Communications Center's access road (being designed to double as an emergency runway) and as the fighters and bombers circled, all personnel that had any exposure to classified material of any kind would (hopefully just) herded up and ordered aboard and flown out, on the spot. Anyone failing to comply instantly would dealt with in a draconian manner or, if necessary, shot.

The base's Comm Center would be shut down in its entirety; all transmitting or receiving equipment shut off and it would be surrounded by at least a platoon of Marines.

The base personnel exposed to classified material would be isolated and put into the custody of the dreaded NIS (Naval Investigation Service) and would undoubtedly be 'debriefed' (interrogated) by them, the DIA and Naval Intelligence et al. IMO, the (or many of the) base personnel exposed to classified material would be held for a protracted period of time, under guard on suspicion of collusion (even if that made no sense at all). There would be an in-depth investigation, lie-detector tests would be given and eventually, someone or several (even though likely blameless) would be made an example of. The others would be likely scattered to remote bases throughout the world. During my time, more than a few were sent to the Antarctic under a program called (I swear I'm not making this up), "Operation Deepfreeze".

In short, it would be a Shitstorm and-a-half.

Wansen
02-29-2016, 03:59 AM
Fore,

I endeavored to be accurate irrespective of a potentially desired response.

I should note that most all of my communications security experience was overseas, outside of the U.S., and security procedures were likely more restrictive than bases located within Stateside.


Final thought, just my opinion: The Navy would spare no expense to apprehend and acquire such an entity. IMO, this (hypothetical) entity would then either be 'turned' and be utilized as a resource, incarcerated indefinitely and studied or if unable to be controlled, terminated.

Strange (but true) story: In 1987 I was a watch supervisor of our Task Group (76.2), Communications Command center in Japan when I developed appendicitis. It quickly got worse and our (Navy) doctor determined that I would have to have my appendix removed at a local civilian (Japanese) hospital asap.

However, 'they' (Command Staff) were concerned that I would possibly violate my oath of secrecy when under anesthesia. The SOP (standard operating procedure) was to have another TS / SCI clearance holder in the operating room to report a violation. The trouble was the fact that I was a foreign language speaker (Japanese) and since it was a Sunday, a long delay ensued while a clearance holder with a knowledge of Japanese was sought while my appendix ruptured and I went into septic shock requiring a protracted hospital stay. The point being: The Navy took no chances with regard to its secrets.

Fore
02-29-2016, 06:11 AM
At approximately 10:30pm CT time, I noticed someone (ET) connected to me and warned me that "the content of our conversation" was considered borderline. That I was to stop immediately.

It was one way communication and it seemed the message wasn't meant as any form of dialog. Just the (been a while) terse warning that I haven't heard in quite a long time.

Wansens response was a Grade A+ response.
Lets hope he stays safe during the rest of it. (Or me for that matter)

I am pretty sure they already know where this is going to end up.

Fore
02-29-2016, 06:23 AM
Scenario 2,

The same scenario as above. Only the effective range of the Entity is a (realistic) range is anywhere from 4,000km to 8,000km.

The Entity is not only capable of accessing the pool of non-organic memory described above, but is furthermore capable of accessing any individuals entire memory and history "as if" they were them.

Scenario 2 involves the idea that the community of (relevant) ET has all sensitive information about most state/military secrets due to collection activity that the Navy and other departments cannot at this time counteract directly.

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Add to this that these Entities are found to be able to break almost all forms of encryption technologies currently in daily use.
They have shown the ability to even disrupt/disturb electrical systems, communication systems, and even trigger abnormal behaviors in Nuclear facilities and storage depots.

In front of you, is thrust a document detailing that all national secrets (if not already exposed) have been assumed to be known to these Entities.

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Using you imagination, (I'll help you out if you have trouble), devise a method where a government and military can operate under these kinds of conditions and still retain some notion of secrecy.

Sansanoy
02-29-2016, 12:45 PM
I am not in the military but if the minimum range of safety from the threat is 8,000 kilometers then that is both the minimum safe distance for any member of the secret party as well as the minimum safe distance for any useful assets...such as people not in the secret party. The problem is anyone in the secret party cannot leave the compound to do anything for 30days, and during those 30 days they would have to avoid all thoughts of their secrets or they will refresh their duration. Trying not to think about something is pretty tricky so the only way I can think of around this is to Manchurian candidate some couriers. You can either hypnotize them and store information there, or you can split their personality (nasty evil business) and store the information in one of their other personas. The couriers would have to wait the 30 days before they could leave but that would prevent that information from being accessed during the cool down interim as well as being locked until the courier reached his destination. The courier itself should appear as anyone else on the base, because for all the courier knows he is just another person on the base. Once the courier reaches his destination and acquires his trigger he will awaken and fulfill his task. (Couriers would have to be used only once, to prevent the reverse from happening). Unfortunately for the secret team they never get to leave the bunker. Not without going through the same process as the courier.

The only way I can think of for immediate and safe communication from the secret party would be through quantum entanglement, where there is no "distance" to travel between two things, no point in the middle to intercept. We have entangled photons, so the technology is available. Normally we would use Faraday Cages and Filters to protect our electronics from electromagnetic and interference waves. But I imagine/hope our military would already be using those at our UFO compromised nuclear facilities, so I guess that method is out of the question. I remember correctly from your writings you found a way to prevent their electronic interference so I guess you know a better way around that.

Sansanoy
02-29-2016, 03:05 PM
That in fact might be the easy part. The hard part I imagine would be keeping a 8,000 kilometer distance. I don't know how you could keep an ET away. They may be from other worlds but they may not be from Rupa-loka worlds. They could be from planet Y but not the rupa-loka planet Y. I don't know, I think it would be really hard to maintain that distance if they are anything other than fully physical, flesh and blood beings. I know they are at times, but they don't seem to always have to be.

Wansen
02-29-2016, 07:34 PM
Scenario 2,

The same scenario as above. Only the effective range of the Entity is a (realistic) range is anywhere from 4,000km to 8,000km.

The Entity is not only capable of accessing the pool of non-organic memory described above, but is furthermore capable of accessing any individuals entire memory and history "as if" they were them.

Scenario 2 involves the idea that the community of (relevant) ET has all sensitive information about most state/military secrets due to collection activity that the Navy and other departments cannot at this time counteract directly.

--------------------------

Add to this that these Entities are found to be able to break almost all forms of encryption technologies currently in daily use.
They have shown the ability to even disrupt/disturb electrical systems, communication systems, and even trigger abnormal behaviors in Nuclear facilities and storage depots.

In front of you, is thrust a document detailing that all national secrets (if not already exposed) have been assumed to be known to these Entities.

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Using you imagination, (I'll help you out if you have trouble), devise a method where a government and military can operate under these kinds of conditions and still retain some notion of secrecy.

Quite fascinating Fore.

It seems as though you're describing the real-life events and situation of the (supposed) meeting between an ET and (IIRC) one of the Queen's official advisers. If memory serves, this human-looking ET informed this advisor that virtually all of England/UK's highest military secrets were known that them and this ET apparently divulged some of those secrets as proof of their knowledge.

I will have to give this one a bit of thought...

"The Navy is a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots. If you are not an idiot, but find yourself in the Navy, you can only operate well by pretending to be one." - Herman Wouk.

Fore
03-01-2016, 12:37 AM
@ Sansanoy

Spot on. Wansen should probably apply your idea in his thought process.

I do have one question though, how did you come to that conclusion? What was the consideration behind this conclusion?
I would like to know if it is something I have mentioned before or if you came to that specific conclusion all on your own?
In other words, I am really curious as to what was the inspiration.

@ Wansen

(Holds card up and reads from the imaginary cue card)

"Real life events? Haha, no, that is just a coincidence. Haha. :bleh: :angel_not: :das"

Keep in mind, everything we have talked about is a very simple premise. Nothing that is in any way "hard to believe" or even that all that "unlikely" if you know anything about the ET phenomena.


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One of the things I do want to eventually know, is how any given topic we discuss affects each of you in your prior knowledge.

A long time ago, a certain ET I used to know; always said that people are complicated. That I'd have to be careful about presenting information because they then reflect on topics (internally) on their own established (individualized) knowledge base. Then these new perspectives give people insights into old information. (paraphrased)

In other words, as a matter of careful reflection, I would love to know how your individual understanding of the topic of ET and UFO subjects changes before and after those little tidbits that we discuss.

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Also a disclaimer (for the ET sake): Nothing being discussed in any way reflects reality on any individuals, processes, knowledge base, or parties involved in the ET/Human sphere of reality. Absolutely everything is a falsehood and exists only in the minds of those discussing it. It has no bearing on reality. Thanks!

Sansanoy
03-01-2016, 02:04 AM
@ Sansanoy

Spot on. Wansen should probably apply your idea in his thought process.

I do have one question though, how did you come to that conclusion? What was the consideration behind this conclusion?
I would like to know if it is something I have mentioned before or if you came to that specific conclusion all on your own?
In other words, I am really curious as to what was the inspiration.



Basically I couldn't sleep last night and my mind kept turning the possibilities. For some reason my brain just sort of battles things out right before bed when I'm trying to sleep. Although it feels like a logical battle in my mind some epiphanies happen as well. The "useful assets" part kind of dominated my mind, and the rest came normally the next morning when I posted. I work in the media business and there have been a couple of times where I have had to pass through security for political candidates and during the down time I would day dream of how I would run security. One of the things I came up with was to treat threats like a virus and set up quarantine zones. So that if anything outside the quarantine zone comes in contact with someone in the quarantine zone that person should be considered contaminated and searched.

So for the ET's case he could contaminate the quarantine zone if he could access anyone or anything in that quarantine zone. For the other stuff I've just done a lot of broad reading. As far as your writings I have read the stuff montalk quoted from Nordic aliens and the grail race and half of "My experiences part 1" I'm a good bit past where Ysensa is brought up. I found part 5 first so I read that as well. I'm still reading it all. The only thing I could take from what I have read so far is the part where you would try to video tape the caretaker and they would interfere with the camera until you found a way to stop that.

Wansen
03-01-2016, 02:44 AM
@ Sansanoy

Spot on. Wansen should probably apply your idea in his thought process.

@ Wansen

(Holds card up and reads from the imaginary cue card)

"Real life events? Haha, no, that is just a coincidence. Haha. :bleh: :angel_not: :das"

Keep in mind, everything we have talked about is a very simple premise. Nothing that is in any way "hard to believe" or even that all that "unlikely" if you know anything about the ET phenomena.


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One of the things I do want to eventually know, is how any given topic we discuss affects each of you in your prior knowledge.

A long time ago, a certain ET I used to know; always said that people are complicated. That I'd have to be careful about presenting information because they then reflect on topics (internally) on their own established (individualized) knowledge base. Then these new perspectives give people insights into old information. (paraphrased)

In other words, as a matter of careful reflection, I would love to know how your individual understanding of the topic of ET and UFO subjects changes before and after those little tidbits that we discuss.


While I consider myself fairly good at problem solving, I admit I'm not an especially creative thinker at times; Sansanoy's "quantum entanglement" idea went right over my head.

I also admit I've focused my UFO research primarily on military encounters as this is how I was exposed to the phenomena and I feel these documented encounters are among the more difficult (generally speaking) to fabricate and therefore tend to yield more reliable information (again, generally speaking) than abductees encounters.

The esp, telepathy, remote viewing and mind-control aspects of this phenomena are still a subject of study for me and I would welcome knowledgeable input with regard to informative books, sites or documentaries to further my knowledge.

Regarding "how [my] individual understanding...changes"

Interesting question.

While recalling our emergency procedures I remembered several other aspects about the environment we worked in. Simply put, it was an environment of suspicion and secrecy that (at the very least) bordered on paranoia. Secrecy was first, last and everything in between. Even getting into the main communications operations center required memorizing half a dozen cipher lock combinations and navigating through a series of "blast proof" doors resembling the scene in the old TV show "Get Smart" as Don Adams walked down the corridor (our doors didn't slide horizontal or vertical however and we didn't fall through a phone booth but that would have been kinda cool.)

3X's a day every single code "publication" (and there were dozens), had to be inventoried and signed for attesting in writing that the signee was now responsible for it until the next watch shift. Any mistake that even possibly violated security could be and usually would punishable by the most extreme measures available. Everyone not cleared in writing was suspect and treated with distrust even if known to be a crewman or shipmate.


At the same time, we were privy to a host of facts regarding what US Naval forces worldwide were up to.

I think I'd get into trouble if I said everything but suffice to say that we were 'stirring the pot' and 'sticking our fingers in many pies' seemingly everywhere with (at times) little or no regard for international boarders, espionage and deadly provocations.

After my discharge I received an invitation to attend a CIA recruiting seminar. They were quite up front about what type of lifestyle one could expect and not surprisingly it was all too familiar: Being monitored, watched, recorded, asking permission to travel outside the US and getting routinely polygraphed.

I'd had enough. Seeing two UFOs and reading about the JASDF's encounter over Kansai and a score of other classified operations convinced me that there was way too much BS going on for my taste.

I also recalled being in our comm centers 'front office' where the senior staff worked and overhearing a discussion on the significance and rarity of a "Cosmic" clearance. USNAVCOMMSTAPHIL (US Naval Communication Station Philippines) had a little known about USAF detachment assigned to that facility that specialized in advanced radar tracking and detection with a highly sophisticated array of large dishes. Their group was very "hush-hush" about what they did but they had a large contingent of USAF security at all times. Given what I've now learned, I've often wondered what that USAF group might have really been up to.

In closing, my UFO experience has taught me that the world is not what it appears to be at all; most everyone is oblivious to the phenomenon or blissfully ignorant (many if not most by choice), and that most freedoms and liberties are relinquished happily rather than forcefully taken away.

Wansen
03-01-2016, 02:58 AM
Scenario 2,



The Entity is not only capable of accessing the pool of non-organic memory described above, but is furthermore capable of accessing any individuals entire memory and history "as if" they were them.


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Using you imagination, (I'll help you out if you have trouble), devise a method where a government and military can operate under these kinds of conditions and still retain some notion of secrecy.

Am I correct in assuming that "non-organic" memory would mean harddrives and data chips?
If so, you've got me stumped. My original idea was sub-compartmentalization of classified data on a 'stand alone' neural net controlled by an advanced A.I.

Fore
03-01-2016, 05:56 AM
Am I correct in assuming that "non-organic" memory would mean harddrives and data chips? No, it refers to anything that is not organic brain tissue-stored-memory/pattern in an individual. (sorry for the mouthful)

Lets see if I can explain it without losing any of the details...

"Non-organic" memory is the equivalent of an invisible memory pool...a cache or buffer...that is made of an encoded pattern that describes information about the experience.

That encoded pattern exists as an immaterial substance at a layer of reality called "Influence [space]".

This encoded pool of immaterial "influence" allows you to basically transform "Organic" memory processes into something you can absorb over time as an immaterial detail of all the events around you.

The encoded pool of immaterial "influence" memory IS = "Non-Organic memory"

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The encoded pool contains several streams of data.
--Raw Body-Wide material state awareness.
--Derivative content (Thought processes, Recall, etc)

^^^ Lower Loop content

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The encoded pool also contains streams of data that permeates from the Upper Loop.

Upper Loop Content

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When you "think" about something, you generate an encoded pattern of influence with that information.
If it is something recalled, then the encoded information resembles the nuances of the recorded, with all it's imperfections.
If it is something experienced, then the encoded information resembles the nuances of the sights and sounds.

(Though keep in mind we are talking about different kinds of encoded information)

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"Passive" Telepathy only accesses whatever is stored in an immaterial buffer zone. That is called "non-organic".
Passive Telepathy cannot access organic (in the brain) transcripts.

That requires "active" telepathy which involves controlling another individuals type of [internal] communication within them, that then induces the person to reintroduce organic memory encodings [brain tissue-stored-memory/pattern] back into the inorganic buffer.

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Hopefully, I was successful in spelling that out? Not too sure myself if I was successful.

Fore
03-01-2016, 06:13 AM
In other words, if I had all my psychic abilities active, I couldn't pull from you information about your first day at a military base.

If I sit here and prompt you (with text) to go over the details of that first day at a military base, then before you have finished describing the scenario, I would already be able to read the immaterial copy of that data and divulge it back to you.

It wouldn't be so much "Telepathy" as "Mind Reading".

(Actually, I am not sure if either definition fits, but whatever.)

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And yes, in case your thinking about it, the same kind of prodding can be done to any human individual without even interacting with them physically.
The only thing someone like a ET psychic would do is change their strategy.
If you consider that a human being responds to communication whether it be spoken, written, or mentalized.

(I am receiving a telepathic warning again, yikes)

Then you do not necessarily require physical and knowing interaction with the targeted individual.

As long as you can initiate telepathy and convince the other party that your inducement is actually coming from within themselves as a thought or rumination (with their own voice if necessary), you can induce someone to go over anything [point by point] from security process details, to where they live, where they work, who they know, access codes, etc.

And all the while the individual would (if not trained) not know they had ever actually had someone interact with them remotely.

(And yes, I am talking about actual things I have noticed the ET doing in actual life. Lets see if the server breaks this time.)

pontificator
03-01-2016, 09:40 AM
Don't forget, any entity interacting with an individual's influence field will effectively stain it for a reasonable amount of time [in the order of roughly 4 months from memory.] I use this effect to hop from one individual to another when tracking down entities that may have interacted with the individual describing an experience, although I can also use the line of association effect which seems to work in a way closer to temporal "triangulation". So, no stain from something other than your team = possibly okay. @Fore, correct me on this though, I don't want to muddy things too much; but this is a useful tool. @ETs, could you please visit again, things have been very quiet and I want to examine one of you a bit more closely; don't forget to knock.

Longeyes
03-01-2016, 12:39 PM
Quite fascinating Fore.

It seems as though you're describing the real-life events and situation of the (supposed) meeting between an ET and (IIRC) one of the Queen's official advisers. If memory serves, this human-looking ET informed this advisor that virtually all of England/UK's highest military secrets were known that them and this ET apparently divulged some of those secrets as proof of their knowledge.

I will have to give this one a bit of thought...

"The Navy is a master plan designed by geniuses for execution by idiots. If you are not an idiot, but find yourself in the Navy, you can only operate well by pretending to be one." - Herman Wouk.

Hi wansen you mean the mysterious mr Janus ?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884978/pg1

Sansanoy
03-01-2016, 05:26 PM
I guess one way to think about that is like a computer hard drive and it's ram. The hard drive is what can't be viewed remotely, the Ram memory is what is view able, what the computer is about at that time, it's what emerges from certain selections of the hard drive and what defines the computers potential and purpose at that time.

Influence. I like the way you termed that. While studying Judges 5 I came across a fragment of that concept which I called potential, but "influence" is a more comprehensive way to describe that. In Judges 5 you have a roll call for a battle, praising those that came to fight and cursing those that didn't come to fight the Canaanites. In the description you have a ground battle as well as a heavenly battle occurring at the same time. Whats interesting is that those fighting the heavenly battle were not also fighting humans. The troops were not mixed, it was two parallel battles occurring simultaneously but there had to be some intersection. In trying to figure out the intersection I came up with the idea of potentials. The battle that was taking place was effecting the potentials of the ground troops below. The Israelite's were outnumbered. So as these heavenly creatures succeeded, the potential of each person below is increased. Their ability to accomplish a task became greater as so their lack of numbers was no longer a disadvantage. Under such circumstances the Isrealites tended to divide their numbers even more leaving only the courageous with nothing to lose. With that and my own internal reasons I have a feeling that the potential level in ones own influence field is transferable to others psychically. Something like Charisma, but it need not be verbal it could occur silently like a mist that spreads out and amplifies and bolsters the potential of someones current influence when those influences are aligned. I think it happens naturally on it's own to a weak level but I also feel that it can be intentionally sent out at greater levels.

What I like about the word influence is that it represents what we are capable of at anytime, based on the things we are thinking about at the time, and the things that are "with us" at any time. I think it also describes possession well, to reach a state of possession it takes multiple attachments to someones influence. It's like a muscle and there has to be enough threads to contract and change the persons behavior and actions. People describe it as like having a demon inside them, but that is just a crude description, it's more like having a demon attached to them than "inside them". I am not sure what to call a heavenly attachment, faith? Inspiration? Rather than being constricted like a boa in possession it's more like you reach out and God reaches in and you hold hands. You are free to let go and free to hold tightly.

I wonder. Could a memory of a divine encounter provide supernatural influence? Just remembering it would change your influence but I wonder if the nature of the memory itself, the strict alignment of the encounter to core aspects of good or evil, could induce an influence greater than human. For example, those people who lift cars to save someone, I wonder if they access certain things in their memory that embody some divine component, like love, that then augments their influence to a heroic level. I experience something like that in voluntary ASMR, an unfortunate and temporary word, but it's more like a mix of Hesychasm and ASMR.

Wansen
03-02-2016, 05:08 AM
Hi wansen you mean the mysterious mr Janus ?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread884978/pg1

That's the one Longeyes! Thank you for finding it!

Wansen
03-02-2016, 11:18 AM
In other words, if I had all my psychic abilities active, I couldn't pull from you information about your first day at a military base.

If I sit here and prompt you (with text) to go over the details of that first day at a military base, then before you have finished describing the scenario, I would already be able to read the immaterial copy of that data and divulge it back to you.

It wouldn't be so much "Telepathy" as "Mind Reading".

(Actually, I am not sure if either definition fits, but whatever.)

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And yes, in case your thinking about it, the same kind of prodding can be done to any human individual without even interacting with them physically.
The only thing someone like a ET psychic would do is change their strategy.
If you consider that a human being responds to communication whether it be spoken, written, or mentalized.

(I am receiving a telepathic warning again, yikes)

Then you do not necessarily require physical and knowing interaction with the targeted individual.

As long as you can initiate telepathy and convince the other party that your inducement is actually coming from within themselves as a thought or rumination (with their own voice if necessary), you can induce someone to go over anything [point by point] from security process details, to where they live, where they work, who they know, access codes, etc.

And all the while the individual would (if not trained) not know they had ever actually had someone interact with them remotely.

(And yes, I am talking about actual things I have noticed the ET doing in actual life. Lets see if the server breaks this time.)

I think I'm (finally) on the same page, thank you for the expounded explanation.

Although none of my communications security training ever addressed anything remotely like this, I recall reading chapter 13 in the FEMA manual that warned of possible mind control in an ET's presence so this actually makes sense.

Therefore, I believe it's highly probable that the military has confronted this no longer quite-so-hypothetical issue.

I do know that there were military personnel within the active ranks that operated on a autonomously, practically "black" level. We carried them once during a 'forward' deployment and while they ate, slept and showered in the same facilities we did, they never spoke (except amongst themselves), their uniforms were standard navy issue with the exception of a missing rating (job description) badge on their rank insignia and every day they went into a very special, unique location that amazed me...

At first, it looked like a cargo container placed upon our highest upper deck of our ship that had not been there just hours before. A second look revealed that it was actually welded into the deck plate and was a highly sophisticated enclosure complete with power and an independent communications system (viewed only from the outside) that amazed us to no end. Our best technician, who was a genius, famous for his brilliant career in the both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets, pointed out the multiple 24-carat gold-sheathed rubber jacketed cables ("bleed" proof), that had been run up the mast to exacting military specifications extending to both yardarms as I eyed an antenna array that was far beyond even our auto locking and tracking satellite dishes designed to rotate and tilt independently as the ship moved.

Their system independently interfaced with our multiplexors, and had direct connection to the ship's main power plant, seven decks below, done to MILSPEC standards (an awesome job usually requiring a stay in a shipyard) and it had all been set-up within hours while the communications staff supervisors were conveniently kept occupied elsewhere.

That there was another group onboard our command ship, with an INDEPENDENT communications system, including cryptography that was more advanced than ours (supposedly state-of-the-art), just blew our minds. I had not only a TS / SCI clearance, I had two (or three) 'compartment' designations added on and my senior had far higher than that as a "Crypto Custodian" (i.e., Disclosure Project's witness Dwayne Areneson), and even he had no idea what they were up to. Later, quite by happenstance (and a careless mistake I made that another missed), did I learn that part of what this group was up to seemed to involve keeping informed about UFOs.

The point being: Even though the only good thing about our job was (supposedly) being in the "know", there was always another realm above (likely several) that operated in a "black" state which we (almost never) had knowledge of.

Fore
03-02-2016, 04:47 PM
I think I'm (finally) on the same page, thank you for the expounded explanation.

Although none of my communications security training ever addressed anything remotely like this, I recall reading chapter 13 in the FEMA manual that warned of possible mind control in an ET's presence so this actually makes sense.

Therefore, I believe it's highly probable that the military has confronted this no longer quite-so-hypothetical issue.

I do know that there were military personnel within the active ranks that operated on a autonomously, practically "black" level. We carried them once during a 'forward' deployment and while they ate, slept and showered in the same facilities we did, they never spoke (except amongst themselves), their uniforms were standard navy issue with the exception of a missing rating (job description) badge on their rank insignia and every day they went into a very special, unique location that amazed me...

At first, it looked like a cargo container placed upon our highest upper deck of our ship that had not been there just hours before. A second look revealed that it was actually welded into the deck plate and was a highly sophisticated enclosure complete with power and an independent communications system (viewed only from the outside) that amazed us to no end. Our best technician, who was a genius, famous for his brilliant career in the both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets, pointed out the multiple 24-carat gold-sheathed rubber jacketed cables ("bleed" proof), that had been run up the mast to exacting military specifications extending to both yardarms as I eyed an antenna array that was far beyond even our auto locking and tracking satellite dishes designed to rotate and tilt independently as the ship moved. According to an (or thee should I say?) ET advisor the Human Groups (you guys) are historically divided into three main zones.

The public sector, the "co-operative" sector ("black" world as you guys call it) and finally what the ET consider the "un co-operative" sector.

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The public sector includes everyone in government institutions, intelligence and (public) military.

That is probably the sector where you worked at.

The ET described the first segment as the acknowledged day-to-day historically accounted for institutions. They are said to only know of affairs that directly affect normal routines. The human groups have their own level of secrecy designed for other human beings. It was explained that almost nothing is a secret at this level with respect to the knowledge gained by the ET (with a few exceptions at best caused by a rarely talked about encryption protocol/scheme).

It was explained that almost everything that happens at this level is open knowledge for the relevant ET.
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The next sector that is called "black" by the community is described by different ET in different ways. But in common they all have the same general conclusion. They are mainly co-operative in the sense that human beings either design technology and applications on their own, or they (ET) are tasked to provide the working foundation for it.

The level of secrecy is designed with ET lifeforms in mind and I was told is a part of unacknowledged history. People and events that are not disclosed and are compart-mentalized.

Most of the information is known to the ET with some projects are said to be not known to them. They said different things at different times.

Describing human and ET protocols (as seen from a third party) of operation with human beings from different factions.

The Alien registration (individuals) system.
The Alien activity registration system.
The Alien accord on the beacon and tracking system.
The transportation rules, flight level and trajectory rules and some tidbits about local residency. ~paraphrased~

The problems of the sometimes cat-and-mouse with unregistered alien activity.
Proposals for the Integration of (as) Human technology.

Security screening processes (vague references/complaints) and various ET talked about the problems with Human Telepaths and unannounced "Surreptitious" Security inspections in the public intelligence/military sector.

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The most I heard of this was plainly from "complaints" from ET. Mostly frustrated types who usually were the annoyed type.
For such serious people, you'd think they would actually act less human.

One of the interesting tidbits was something I scanned off one ET's mind. Something about Human and ET "incidents".

That has to do with the third sector. Blacker than black. The Human led projects that are devoid of any ET oversight or accounting. They aren't a part of any ET accord whatsoever. They (the ET) don't know of much of anything. They intone this is what they mostly spend time on in their "ET intelligence" circles. The locations and development cycles are made to be invisible to the ET collection activity.

And from more than one ET I have picked up the strong impression that they are serious business.
One ET had a slip in their attention and I noticed that in their "non-organic memory" (a long time ago) they had an interesting set of references to destruction of Human installation underground.

Something like a white projectile (a "bomb") launched from a significant distance in space. Something about an installation deep in the Earth below the surface. Then something about specifications and ruminations about a past event. A guided ~penetration~ of the white projectile going through the surface of the earth, arriving at the destination, then a momentary imagery of a blue and white flash ?implosion? and the gap where the installation is at closes up.

Then some weird mental references (that I still clearly remember) to something about specifications of thee projectile ~dimension-ally passing through crustal material~. With some mental notations as to references magnitude of a (series) of Earthquakes that should have ensued from the closure.

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Whatever it was, was like looking at a glimpse of some report of something that happened a long time ago. Like someone (ET) reviewing historical accounts and gauging something which was unclear.

Whatever it was, it didn't sound like a nuclear device. It was something else.

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Point is, if you sift through different ET's statements and data they give you (unwittingly sometimes) the picture that comes out is that public sectors (be they military/intelligence/government) are all about human-to-human secrecy.

There is so much, it would take a few pages to go over alot of it.

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Anyway, from what I gather, the reason the presidents of any nation really has no idea on the ins or outs of the second sector or the third sector. Is very simply because he/she probably shouldn't. I don't doubt they will get a vague informational review. At least some of the public news stories highlight the possibility that they do receive some kind of information. I highly doubt they will be told anything of significant value.

It would be a liability.

At the very least any high level official should be aware that there is "another layer" which no one has elected publicly. A ?necessary evil? I suppose.
It also makes me laugh a bit inside when the community at large are fed the idea that officials in public government or military actually know anything of value. If they did, then the ET would know it too.

Now I am not saying that (according to the ET at least) the "public" sector hasn't divised techniques and implemented changes to try to curtail the ET factor.
But if you know enough about the topic, I don't think anyone can really assume that "those techniques and devices" give as much comprehensive protection as others used in sector two or three.

That would be pretty hard to believe.

Fore
03-02-2016, 04:54 PM
IF you really peel the apple/subject slowly and carefully (even on ET innuendo) you can pretty much gather alot of what one can infer from a given set of information.

And if you straighten out any story and weigh the considerations carefully, any audience would likely start to understand why certain kinds of extreme measures are a matter of necessity. And possibly how such necessity can truly peel away a certain sectors level of humanity.

Sansanoy
03-03-2016, 04:35 PM
(I am receiving a telepathic warning again, yikes)



If you ever feel afraid or in pain to speak Acts 4:29 is a particularly powerful prayer especially in the context of the whole chapter.

Longeyes
03-05-2016, 12:32 AM
As a dzogchen master said

No me
No mine
No problem

Fore
03-09-2016, 06:40 AM
@ Wansen

Do you want more time to answer the other scenario or do you want me to provide some hints and directions to the scenario?

Fore
03-12-2016, 08:36 AM
@ Wansen

Are you still interested in continuing the scenarios?
I noticed you are still coming online but you haven't really responded in recent days.

Sansanoy
03-12-2016, 03:16 PM
I was thinking about this third group and how they could operate. A human is not strong alone. We are each born builders, fighters, scientists, medics etc and we acquire strength through working together in cooperation. A leader is only as strong as the people in his employ. A cabal could not acquire or maintain power tied up in the isolation of a bunker. To keep and acquire power they would have to stay ahead of the information game, they would have to have spies within the second group, spies in all cutting edge research facilities, bankers, operatives in various positions of power, and continual communication between assets. They can have a central command but they would also have to be, at least in part, spread out. Given that they exist, and that they must also, at least in part, be spread out, it should be reasonable to conclude that they must also have a method of mentally hiding their identity. So somehow there must be a way to hide that information beyond just staying out of range.

Whatever that method is it couldn't be physical, like a helmet because then you couldn't blend in. It couldn't be a scrambler because then the telepath would know something is being scrambled and so identify the spy. A masker would be best, something that puts out a false field. A mental lie so to speak.

I also remember reading about people that could not be read. There are those that can naturally read people but from what I read there are also people whose mind is naturally blocked (at least from humans). I wonder if that is something that can be acquired or learned.

Fore
03-12-2016, 04:34 PM
I was thinking about this third group and how they could operate. Are you referring to the last set of posts or something I wrote about a very long time ago?


A human is not strong alone. We are each born builders, fighters, scientists, medics etc and we acquire strength through working together in cooperation. A leader is only as strong as the people in his employ. A cabal could not acquire or maintain power tied up in the isolation of a bunker. To keep and acquire power they would have to stay ahead of the information game, they would have to have spies within the second group, spies in all cutting edge research facilities, bankers, operatives in various positions of power, and continual communication between assets. They can have a central command but they would also have to be, at least in part, spread out. Given that they exist, and that they must also, at least in part, be spread out, it should be reasonable to conclude that they must also have a method of mentally hiding their identity. So somehow there must be a way to hide that information beyond just staying out of range.

So far I have only established one point towards what I wanted to convey. (about three dozen points)

So far I have only stated that "Some ET" are telepaths. Their range and the level of their access.
Now having said that, who on this forum (or even anyone in the UFO community) is going to say that isn't the case?
I don't think anyone will.

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So what came of that?
The only thing that came out of that central point of discussion is the "proposed reality" of ET Telepaths and how it affects our (National|Global) infrastructure.
The Human Groups would have had to wise up to this reality and figure out how to change all secretive and clandestine activities.

That means a Human Group would have to first establish some consensus of extreme urgency and of extreme security knowing that *at any moment* people from beyond this world could be listening in.

If the Human Groups were logical and assuming they were methodical individuals with an educated background, the first thing they may do is send messages between each other at different strata of government and the Armed Forces to exchange some kind of alert that some kind of global penetration has occurred. In other words, they would let the absolute minimum of the then "White Sector" know that there was possibly 1 or more ET's out there who had potential access to everything.

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They would probably have to call in all kinds of intelligence assets (people, doctors, scientists, cryptologists, information specialists..etc) at their disposal to establish a plan that separates (and probably at the same time Unifies) White and Black sector activities.

This is alluded to in the UFO community as ?MAGIC? or "The Majestic Twelve" but I am pretty sure this purely a false tall tale.
The reason why I say this is because the ET who let on to that history and it's implications (the Advisor) also made it pretty clear that most of this stuff happened in the 1910's and 20's and not 30 years later in the 40's nor in 1947 as the fable goes.

If you look close enough you can even tell there are projects that pre-date "the story" that clearly deal with ET technology and its potential applications.

So I am pretty sure the names and dates are all falsified. No matter how many "documents" and "paperwork" comes out of which ever archive.


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Anyway, during that gathering, they would have had to disclose at least enough to let all branches know that the scope and severity of the problem is a real issue.

The next thing they would have to do is devise a method to figure out what the ET can and cannot do. What their scope of technology is and what the Armed Forces under the Human Groups can actually do about it. Then, figure out how and to what extent they may have been compromised based on that knowledge.

For that, they will/would need new branches of intelligence and the Armed Forces dedicated to that aim.

They need:
--To abduct ET individuals (Testing applications, medical experiments, knowledge, gathering intelligence)
--Advanced equipment designs that can't be disclosed/acknowledged nor used in the "White" Sector.
--Obtain ET crafts and technologies
--Delve into esoteric theories/hypothesis (assessing each one for plausible and practical applications)

Sansanoy
03-12-2016, 05:33 PM
Are you referring to the last set of posts or something I wrote about a very long time ago?




I was refering to the last post about the 3 divisions. I'm almost through the first thread of your experiences just shy of the end.





So far I have only established one point towards what I wanted to convey. (about three dozen points)

So far I have only stated that "Some ET" are telepaths. Their range and the level of their access.
Now having said that, who on this forum (or even anyone in the UFO community) is going to say that isn't the case?
I don't think anyone will.



I don't think anyone could say that it's not the case that some ETs are telepathic. There are so many reports out there of them being telepathic that I don't think anyone could make the case that none of them are. Additionally there are humans that are not telepathic and if they visited another planet they would be non telepathic ET's. So the statement "Some ET's are telepaths" is unquestionably true.






They need:
--To abduct ET individuals (Testing applications, medical experiments, knowledge, gathering intelligence)
--Advanced equipment designs that can't be disclosed/acknowledged nor used in the "White" Sector.
--Obtain ET crafts and technologies
--Delve into esoteric theories/hypothesis (assessing each one for plausible and practical applications)

Yeah exactly, they have to have people in the "white" sector so they must have found away to hide them from telepathy more so than just distance. Another possible thing to add to the "need" list is to ally with a non telepathic alien group. So long as you have assurance that they are not telepathic you can at least work on equally secure footing with such a group, and it's likely that such a group already has knowledge and methods for dealing with telepathic groups. In the same sense that a human will ally with another human to become stronger, I suspect that this group will also try to find some ET ally they can work with.

Another thing I have been thinking about a lot is that this group must be multinational. Mainly because of your last point on the need list. The need to secure crashes and archeological esoteric knowledge from all around the world would require that this group have agents and control within in all relevant governments.

Fore
03-15-2016, 07:44 AM
Yeah exactly, they have to have people in the "white" sector so they must have found away to hide them from telepathy more so than just distance. That is true according to what certain ET's said. Those ET though were almost always dodging questions about that.

One of the Grey males told me with certainty that the question about "how" is off limits and the information itself is "high risk" if I were to repeat it. So I was told I couldn't know more about the specifics along a certain line of questions.

So there is a big hole as to how they achieve that specific task.

One ET (the advisor) let on in very uncertain and vague mentions that VIP's in white sector have something that looks like a lapel/pen shape. Vaguely referring to the ability of the device to disrupt Psychic intervention relatively efficiently (whatever that means).

The other ET had in their minds some fleeting thoughts about some kind of ?radio emissions? or ?interference? or something like a propagating wave around properties like the white house (the topic of that time) and various locations which act like a blanket of some kind. The main idea was that it was a disruptive technique. Although I am unsure if the references were to eaves dropping of the electronic or psychic kind OR if it meant both.

Since the question wasn't affirmatively answered it is unclear.

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That was like 25 year ago or so. I recall in the years since that talk, that different reports (public media on TV) about security outside the intelligence offices that there was mentions of there being various kinds of electromagnetic countermeasures to keep spies from other countries from gathering leaked data.

I am unsure if when I peeked at thoughts of that ET; if it was referring to that or something else. There was very little in terms of mental pointers to figure out what it meant exactly.



Another possible thing to add to the "need" list is to ally with a non telepathic alien group. So long as you have assurance that they are not telepathic you can at least work on equally secure footing with such a group, and it's likely that such a group already has knowledge and methods for dealing with telepathic groups. In the same sense that a human will ally with another human to become stronger, I suspect that this group will also try to find some ET ally they can work with. I am unsure.

It depends on how you take into account different kinds of information when you have a look at it.

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In my case, I interpreted different things depending on who was asked about any given subject. (Keep in mind, different ET's are less credibly and will lie openly)

The general consensus within the faction of ET that I knew was that Human Groups are considered "bad people". Dangerous, to be avoided, untrustworthy.

The truth is I don't know. They also said ET's who work with Human Groups are untrustworthy and dangerous. If I came into contact with one or one approached me I was told to basically say nothing and report the incident.

The only thing I can say for certain is that ET's who identify/say they work with Human Groups somehow seem...different. They don't seem the same on the inside. You can sense a weirdness about their constitution.

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Normally the ET's I knew of are like extremely smart people with a usually detached from the majority of their emotions and answer questions either by lying or telling you what you need to know. They don't think like a normal human being but you get used to it. They are intellectually heavy and most of their answers are logical when they aren't lying to cover something else up.

You don't sense any real "evil" nature from 95% of them. The ones with bad personalities just seem offensive at all times, or a few say things that are rather inappropriate to keep you from coming close to them. The advisor explained a long time ago that some ET's are nervous/defensive because they aren't used to dealing with conscious (human) people who aren't under the control of protocols. (paraphrased)

I figured out that ET's are often afraid of individuals and some have some nasty thoughts processes (with fear in mind) as if though they think we are unpredictable aggressive animals. (??)

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The Human Group ET's though feel "off". They seem intelligent but they are harder to read the rare few times I have come across them. They project telepathy with more invasive method than the other ET's. They also feel strangely "hostile"....how to put it accurately. The few I have come across are like if you gave a demon an ET's body. That just about describes it (ludicrously) correct.

They seem knowledgeable about ET technologies, they seem to cover their minds slightly less effectively, and they seem to give off really strong bad vibes. Like these types are somehow malevolent. I dunno why.

They seem like a rougher version of the ET I am used to. They are very strange. Though one of them did emulate British speech pretty damn well.

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So I don't know if there is a story there; I don't honestly know what it is.

One thing that all ET's have in common (IMO) is that they are often malicious leakers of information. They "seem to" derive some kind of ?strange satisfaction? from leaking information that seems to be sensitive in nature. It's like when no one is looking, they seem to take pleasure in divulging a tidbit here and there and thats it.

I think perhaps it is a reason why there are so many false leaks in the community. Perhaps some kind of perverse hobby these guys/gals have.

Though more than once, I have noticed that a Human Group ET was doing so out of malice. I think these guys have issues. (and a very humanistic one at that)



Another thing I have been thinking about a lot is that this group must be multinational. Mainly because of your last point on the need list. The need to secure crashes and archeological esoteric knowledge from all around the world would require that this group have agents and control within in all relevant governments.

Well, don't take this with more than a grain of salt because there isn't a way to confirm. The ET Advisor explained it to me a long time ago in very simple terms without much detail.

She basically said that there is more than one nation involved. Not all nations have ET contact. (very few compared to the larger total)
Each has their own "black sector". (Some Cooperative, with each other some not)
Each has their own development programs. (Non-Cooperative in some cases)

She said they do have goals and funding. (Other ET said not normal financial connections)

The main stay thing she pointed out is that not all nations have equal access. Different groups had different levels of progress.
She mentioned some odd stuff of ET contracts on manufacturing but I don't recall much at the moment.

So it is hard to really say just how much cooperation there is between nations behind the curtain of the black sector. How that applies to the white sector, I do not know.

Sansanoy
03-15-2016, 11:41 AM
The Human Group ET's though feel "off". They seem intelligent but they are harder to read the rare few times I have come across them. They project telepathy with more invasive method than the other ET's. They also feel strangely "hostile"....how to put it accurately. The few I have come across are like if you gave a demon an ET's body. That just about describes it (ludicrously) correct.

They seem knowledgeable about ET technologies, they seem to cover their minds slightly less effectively, and they seem to give off really strong bad vibes. Like these types are somehow malevolent. I dunno why.

They seem like a rougher version of the ET I am used to. They are very strange. Though one of them did emulate British speech pretty damn well.



Is this the case for both the black sector and the un-cooperative sector? Did you ever get any sense about the humans in that group? Did any of them appear spiritually or mentally like a demon and a human simultaneously. Not like they were possessed and being driven around by demons but more like an internal collaboration with them, like they are one in mind and spirit and will. Where a single thought is like two simultaneous thoughts with slight differences.

The way I view things something like a demon with an ET body doesn't seem off beat to me. I believe there may be matter world aliens, but I see the things we are dealing with on earth more as spirit ET's than matter world ET's. Where as our only apparel is our physical body spirits are able to change their apparel and appear as one thing or as another. There is at least one group, and likely more that has been stripped of a particular set of apparel that allows them to enter heaven. Heaven, spoken of generally, is just where spirits dwell in the same sense as the universe is where humans dwell. In a sense they are born out of the "air" (ruach) and we are born out of earth (though in our case there is more that occurred).

Fore
03-15-2016, 09:58 PM
Is this the case for both the black sector and the un-cooperative sector? Did you ever get any sense about the humans in that group? The question is very nebulous and I don't quite know what the question means.

If what you are asking me is about the Human Groups as depicted by the ET I knew, then I pretty much got the impression that they (Human Groups) are "not good" people.

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But keep in mind, that is hear-say, I don't know and haven't met any Human Groups of which they describe. So I can't evaluate that for veracity.
The only thing I can do is infer based on other information why what is said may be true or false. Or at least if the entire topic sounds logically consistent.

Note: Keep in mind, if you ever come across an ET you'll notice that their level of mental capability puts them well above the average human capacity. So if they wanted to they could fabricate an entire lie that seems elaborate and good sounding. That is why you should always pit whatever they state against actual reality.

Some ET tend to lie in greater proportions of their overall interactions (Greys especially).
While others simply avoid or abstain from answering a question when it is not convenient for them to answer a given topic.
Some ET's will even contradict each other because they don't inform one another about each others lie. (LOL)

So, you have to treat them like you would any other human being, they are capable of lying when necessary and don't have any compulsions about it.

Other times they plainly state they won't answer the question as it is of a sensitive nature or plainly state that if I repeated the details anywhere it would trigger flags eventually. (Thats when they give a series of courses on how to understand "just enough" on what not to do with any given set of information.)

They also enforce ignorance by prohibiting oneself from reading up and crosschecking information with other relevant sources. Half of that seems to be so you don't put the pieces into context, othertimes it seems to be to keep oneself from becoming any wiser.

If a superior ET (supervisor) instructs another ET to give direction and instruction, then they stop lying and plainly instruct you on what is the topic on hand with pertinent details. If you ask something you shouldn't ask, the supervising ET is there to monitor the entire situation remotely and inform the ET not to divulge a range of details and they (the ET) simply avoids the topic or state they can't offer an answer.

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So bearing that in mind, always keep in mind never to take anything at face value until you can verify.

Edward
03-15-2016, 10:46 PM
As I have been following the recent flow of conversation here. I have come to an understanding on various or certain E.T.s and their propensity to propagate a lie or just not answer a question or avoid it all together. With-in the conversations that have been highlighted in the proceeding pages the nature of the beings have been called into question in regards to "good, bad or indifferent".

Now onto my question or point I want to get across. In various circles and postings it has been said that Humanity(as we currently know it) is not allowed to be in space until we learn to grow up, deal with current issues on this planet and yada, yada ect...ect. If we are "so bad or not evolved enough" then what the heck is going on with those E.T.s that are seemingly having high technology but or no more spiritually advanced or even less than we are??? It doesn't make any sense, unless there is still a bigger picture or another facet shall I say that is being hidden. Some is just not right here and I know there has to be spiritually and technologically advanced well-meaning and essentially good ETs but what gives about the situation that has been discussed in this thread and elsewhere and with said point I have delivered with-in this posting? My spidey senses tell me that there is more here to know.


Edward

Fore
03-16-2016, 01:45 AM
As I have been following the recent flow of conversation here. I have come to an understanding on various or certain E.T.s and their propensity to propagate a lie or just not answer a question or avoid it all together. With-in the conversations that have been highlighted in the proceeding pages the nature of the beings have been called into question in regards to "good, bad or indifferent".

Now onto my question or point I want to get across. In various circles and postings it has been said that Humanity(as we currently know it) is not allowed to be in space until we learn to grow up, deal with current issues on this planet and yada, yada ect...ect. If we are "so bad or not evolved enough" then what the heck is going on with those E.T.s that are seemingly having high technology but or no more spiritually advanced or even less than we are??? It doesn't make any sense, unless there is still a bigger picture or another facet shall I say that is being hidden. Some is just not right here and I know there has to be spiritually and technologically advanced well-meaning and essentially good ETs but what gives about the situation that has been discussed in this thread and elsewhere and with said point I have delivered with-in this posting? My spidey senses tell me that there is more here to know.


Edward
I have a post in the pipeline but I am being careful to word things correctly and accurately as I understand it. So it takes more time to be exact.

About the issue of ETs and being good or bad. If I were the casual member I would dump to the side the notion that there are perfectly good ET or bad ET. They are people (period). A different kind of person.

They may be smarter or think in more than one dimension. But that doesn't really mean much except that they are imperfect.
Some ET's have an Agenda, they act upon that point of reference in their life. And like anything in life, no one is perfect.
They just are.

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In other words, even the nicest person you have ever met in your life is prone to lying (when necessary). So take that to the heart.

The only people I currently consider substantially different are perhaps the UT. There seems to be a completely different dynamic at play in those minds. I am unsure as to what that is.

Edward
03-16-2016, 02:18 AM
I have a post in the pipeline but I am being careful to word things correctly and accurately as I understand it. So it takes more time to be exact.

About the issue of ETs and being good or bad. If I were the casual member I would dump to the side the notion that there are perfectly good ET or bad ET. They are people (period). A different kind of person.

They may be smarter or think in more than one dimension. But that doesn't really mean much except that they are imperfect.
Some ET's have an Agenda, they act upon that point of reference in their life. And like anything in life, no one is perfect.
They just are.

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In other words, even the nicest person you have ever met in your life is prone to lying (when necessary). So take that to the heart.

The only people I currently consider substantially different are perhaps the UT. There seems to be a completely different dynamic at play in those minds. I am unsure as to what that is.

Very true indeed. But I was remarking on the a perceived double standard unless there isn't one and its just a facade to obfuscate the truth. That of which we are too primative and haven't come of age yet. Now I don't necessarily disagree fully on that notion alone but it seems that there are many agenda's at play here and sorting through what going on really does take some patience since most likely that some of the agenda's going on in this realm, dimension, planet and other dimensions are prob. not all on the same page and indeed at odds with each other so the information that is gleaned and filtered through can get lost in the big haystack of data that is out there and inside of us. The layering of ideas, worlds, dimension truth, and life. It is all so complex but so simple at the same time once it's realized and it is through this Realization and understanding we as humans in this form must come to so we can further evolve, ascend transcend and deal with what we know as life and what we will know.


Edward

Fore
03-16-2016, 04:40 AM
Very true indeed. But I was remarking on the a perceived double standard unless there isn't one and its just a facade to obfuscate the truth. That of which we are too primative and haven't come of age yet. Now I don't necessarily disagree fully on that notion alone but it seems that there are many agenda's at play here and sorting through what going on really does take some patience since most likely that some of the agenda's going on in this realm, dimension, planet and other dimensions are prob. not all on the same page and indeed at odds with each other so the information that is gleaned and filtered through can get lost in the big haystack of data that is out there and inside of us. The layering of ideas, worlds, dimension truth, and life. It is all so complex but so simple at the same time once it's realized and it is through this Realization and understanding we as humans in this form must come to so we can further evolve, ascend transcend and deal with what we know as life and what we will know.


Edward
I think there is a double standard. I feel it mostly comes from the affected individuals.

When I mean "affected individuals", I don't only refer to the people who feel bad about the experience, but also the ones who (strangely) feel good about it.

Whats not a happy experience if done by a human being....some consider perfectly fine and reasonable just because it was a non-human entity. People are strange...but there you go. <shrug> Some could say they are also mentally affected. "Probably" intentionally so. (IMO)

Edit: For example, if the individual is affected by the ET, it stands to reason the ET will usually prefer to cough themselves as in someway "special" and therefore common notions shouldn't (supposedly) be applied to them.

I consider it mostly a gameplay with the minds of men/women/children.

Fore
03-16-2016, 04:53 AM
Oh, for example, there was once a really creepy ET who once said something really confounding a long time ago to me.

It (the ET) stated that not all ET's are capable of lying because "lying is a capability" that "is present as an organic function only in some creatures".
(With telepathic overlays of various details of organic algorithms present in some ET and supposedly not present in other ETs.)

Obviously, that is a statement that cannot be substantiated nor verified if true or false. As that was a visitor ET to the group; I never got to see them again to put them to the test to see if they can or cannot lie. (Although, I vaguely recall one or more ET repeating it)

But that (in my view) is an elaborate SHAM. I do not know if it is true or not. But I assume that it might not be true and there is no reason for me to assume otherwise unless tested. (a matter of defensive preference)

Sounds logical, sounds reasonable, but is it actually true? I doubt it after I spent much thought on the topic.

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It is those kinds of potential lies that you'd deal with all of the time.

When you deal with ET's alot, it makes human lying look pretty pitiful in comparison.

Edward
03-16-2016, 05:03 AM
I think there is a double standard. I feel it mostly comes from the affected individuals.

When I mean "affected individuals", I don't only refer to the people who feel bad about the experience, but also the ones who (strangely) feel good about it.

Whats not a happy experience if done by a human being....some consider perfectly fine and reasonable just because it was a non-human entity. People are strange...but there you go. <shrug> Some could say they are also mentally affected. "Probably" intentionally so. (IMO)

Edit: For example, if the individual is affected by the ET, it stands to reason the ET will usually prefer to cough themselves as in someway "special" and therefore common notions shouldn't (supposedly) be applied to them.

I consider it mostly a gameplay with the minds of men/women/children.


Yeah that game play with the minds is something we can see also on the human level as well. It's just frustrating. I know that you know that very well first hand.
Oh btw, Have I ever told you, I love the way that you write. ;)
Really I do. :cool:

As for me, I'm just fed up at this point in my life and frustrated. I'm sure you can fully relate. All I want to see is the truth come out so we can move on and break free of all illusions and conceptions that keep us limited as a whole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5a-VAenpPI



Edward
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Edward
03-16-2016, 05:24 AM
Oh, for example, there was once a really creepy ET who once said something really confounding a long time ago to me.

It (the ET) stated that not all ET's are capable of lying because "lying is a capability" that "is present as an organic function only in some creatures".
(With telepathic overlays of various details of organic algorithms present in some ET and supposedly not present in other ETs.)

Obviously, that is a statement that cannot be substantiated nor verified if true or false. As that was a visitor ET to the group; I never got to see them again to put them to the test to see if they can or cannot lie. (Although, I vaguely recall one or more ET repeating it)

But that (in my view) is an elaborate SHAM. I do not know if it is true or not. But I assume that it might not be true and there is no reason for me to assume otherwise unless tested. (a matter of defensive preference)

Sounds logical, sounds reasonable, but is it actually true? I doubt it after I spent much thought on the topic.

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It is those kinds of potential lies that you'd deal with all of the time.

When you deal with ET's alot, it makes human lying look pretty pitiful in comparison.


Well I can relate a little bit to that. I can almost see how they would do it because I have lied before. In terms of the lie I would not really say the truth I would say something on some other matter that could possibly relate to something being true of what is being said, but being vague at the same time to mislead someone in thinking in some other terms so that they don't really grasp at what I was getting at. From a certain perspective one could say I didn't lie but in the end it really wasn't the real truth it was more or less a half truth that was layered to mislead. And only I would know what I was hinting or trying to say. I imagine there is more complexity to it than that for various ET's . Then there is just straight out fiction and bald face lying.

Now granted I strive for the the truth and most of my life I've been a fairly honest person but again, I have lied and especially when you want something you pull out everything you can think of to manipulate the lie to gardner what you want, ie: more play time either outside, or with the video games or getting out of trouble.


Edward

Fore
03-16-2016, 07:30 AM
Edit: For example, if the individual is affected by the ET, it stands to reason the ET will usually prefer to couch themselves as in someway "special" and therefore common notions shouldn't (supposedly) be applied to them.

I consider it mostly a gameplay with the minds of men/women/children.

Significant typo.

@ Edward

You just reminded me of an argument I used a long time ago on an ET. I said something to the effect of what you typed at the time. Same principle. I vaguely recall I pointed out to an ET that Lying can be used to ones advantage. especially if you were born elsewhere (@ the ET) your ancestors must have employed it to get out of tough situations.

In other words, I didn't think even back then that it was very likely that certain ET's can't lie physically. Even if someone ET super seriously tells you that is a fact, it just seems to fly in the face of common sense adaptations of a species.

(Reminds me now of a cheesy movie someone made...I think it was called "liar liar"?

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Anyway, the interesting question that makes most ET's silent is the following:

How many people have you lied to today?
If they respond no one (some of them did answer that way), then I would ask:

When was the last time that you lied to someone and why did you do it?

Hah, they usually stopped talking for a while at that point. It is a no-win answer.
The only way to win, is to admit you have lied to someone and when, and then establish a reason for why you'd do it.
Answering as if they had never ever lied probably doesn't sound like anyone would realistically consider that even a possibility.
Which I thought was interesting at the time that most ET's would stop the conversation right there.

Most Greys Males I met think of human interactions like a formula, so I assume the valuation behind the idea that oneself has never lied probably equates to some error in their mind? Anyway, it seems like it would fly against common sense.

Edit: I haven't thought to ask the same question to another human being...wonder what the result would be?

pontificator
03-16-2016, 09:07 AM
So, Fore, when was the last time you lied to someone, and why did you do it? [you can pose the same back to me after you see the initial difficulty.] ;)

Sansanoy
03-16-2016, 11:29 AM
The question is very nebulous and I don't quite know what the question means.



Oh sorry, I mean which section are the ETs that come across like demons in ET bodies in. Are they in the uncooperative sector, the black sector or both.

Sansanoy
03-16-2016, 12:24 PM
All I want to see is the truth come out so we can move on and break free of all illusions and conceptions that keep us limited as a whole.



That is a profound way to put the pieces together. No matter which alien you point at we are all under a single broad illusion. Each group may operate in different ways for different purposes under that illusion but they all operate under illusion. So why, out of all the possible ETs that are supposed to be interacting with us are they all following the same rule book. When I look at it, at the commonalities, it's like there is a global set of rules and they are all trying to achieve their differing purposes within those sets of rules. It's like there is this structure in place and they are all behaving according to the way the structure limits them. Like the rules of a game board. We seem to be the only ones in this game that can move our pieces where ever we want.

The one thing that won't lie is the rules. If we can figure out the rules and where the rules come from we should be able to see past the lies. We can figure out what game board we are on and how to play our own pieces.

Fore
03-16-2016, 06:22 PM
So, Fore, when was the last time you lied to someone, and why did you do it? [you can pose the same back to me after you see the initial difficulty.] ;)

The last time was yesterday when I was asked if I had taken out the dogs to pee in the last few minutes. I responded I just took them out, when in reality it was about an hour before then.

Why did I do so? It was out of consideration that they had already gone out, give or take a few minutes. Then noticed it was about an hour before, and just let it be after it had left my mouth. I try pretty hard not to lie at all times.

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At other times I say I am busy working on something when in reality I am on here typing up a long post. (It takes effort these days to think about the past, I am starting to forget some of it as I don't dwell on the past anymore)

Nothing else significant comes across my mind when I think about it. Though I am sure there are other instances somewhere.

Fore
03-16-2016, 06:52 PM
Oh sorry, I mean which section are the ETs that come across like demons in ET bodies in. Are they in the uncooperative sector, the black sector or both.I don't know. The few I have encountered don't actually identify themselves other than stating what they are there for. Though when they respond, they do so with details of Human activity.

So I infer human group ET. They don't feel "right". That part is consistent. They express themselves differently with coarse/invasive Telepathy. They (few times) clearly identify their activity and the info they leak is something you'd expect to see from a human group ET.

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There are many details I haven't shared that were background details given by different ET.

What surprised me more than anything was "that feeling" of malevolence emanating through Human Group ET. They don't feel right on the inside. They don't use Telepathy like the others do. Their telepathy is like the type you'd expect to see from an abduction scenario. They don't s(t)imulate telepathy in the upper loop of consciousness. They always seem to do it through the body and organic sensations. In other words, like an abduction scenario style. Something isn't right about them on the inside.

They seemed less refined. Thats probably what it amounts to. (?)

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One of them even told me that my writings were ~notorious~. Though, I assumed that was some kind of flattery at first it didn't seem to be intended to come across that way. The way it expressed it was clearly as if someone had recommended or talked about me elsewhere and not in a good way. In other words as if I were once a topic of conversation elsewhere in some unknown circle.

I doubt I am notorious. Though, somehow it shook me the wrong way when it said that back then. It seemed serious when it said that back then.

That one I think was the one who showed me an edited mental recording of someone human making a report. Some one in english identifying themselves (edited out by the ET) about SL54 and some one human making a log info about moving ET's from one location to another. Some logs made about preparing conditions at some site for an alien installation. Some references to the DOE I think. Not sure as I don't recall perfectly. It is written up somewhere on this forum.

I wanted to ask Wansen about what SL54 might mean but he seems to be avoiding me at the moment. Maybe just busy. Or maybe my PM's are full again...damn.

whoknows
03-16-2016, 06:57 PM
We most often lie to ourselves, so much so that we are often not even aware that we do it, and by far the hardest to admit when we skim close to the edge of knowing the truth of the lie.

Truly know our selves, warts and all, will always be the first best line of defense against manipulation by anyone or anything. Sorry if this post seems non sequitur but I feel it is relevant.

L-W
03-16-2016, 11:48 PM
Can two people's/organisms' upper loop of consciousness (higher mind) discuss something or transfer information between eachother without letting the lower loop (lower mind) know directly, yet [as if carefully planned by the higher mind or soul/divine spark(which?)] expose the lower mind to relevant information of the conclusions/results of that information transfer [over time]?

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I think this is what I was interpreting the subject as when I asked you if the organic body has a kind of sentience of it's own.

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Furthermore, is there a difference to the soul and the divine spark (divine spark; the first form of individuation from god-unity, if you know intuitively or knowingly what I mean by god-unity)?

Sorry for the loosely formatted text. I am working on creating a desireable formatting-system.

Edward
03-17-2016, 02:54 AM
Significant typo.

@ Edward

You just reminded me of an argument I used a long time ago on an ET. I said something to the effect of what you typed at the time. Same principle. I vaguely recall I pointed out to an ET that Lying can be used to ones advantage. especially if you were born elsewhere (@ the ET) your ancestors must have employed it to get out of tough situations.

In other words, I didn't think even back then that it was very likely that certain ET's can't lie physically. Even if someone ET super seriously tells you that is a fact, it just seems to fly in the face of common sense adaptations of a species.

(Reminds me now of a cheesy movie someone made...I think it was called "liar liar"?

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Anyway, the interesting question that makes most ET's silent is the following:

How many people have you lied to today?
If they respond no one (some of them did answer that way), then I would ask:

When was the last time that you lied to someone and why did you do it?

Hah, they usually stopped talking for a while at that point. It is a no-win answer.
The only way to win, is to admit you have lied to someone and when, and then establish a reason for why you'd do it.
Answering as if they had never ever lied probably doesn't sound like anyone would realistically consider that even a possibility.
Which I thought was interesting at the time that most ET's would stop the conversation right there.

Most Greys Males I met think of human interactions like a formula, so I assume the valuation behind the idea that oneself has never lied probably equates to some error in their mind? Anyway, it seems like it would fly against common sense.

Edit: I haven't thought to ask the same question to another human being...wonder what the result would be?

Fire away :cool:

Edward

Edward
03-17-2016, 02:56 AM
That is a profound way to put the pieces together. No matter which alien you point at we are all under a single broad illusion. Each group may operate in different ways for different purposes under that illusion but they all operate under illusion. So why, out of all the possible ETs that are supposed to be interacting with us are they all following the same rule book. When I look at it, at the commonalities, it's like there is a global set of rules and they are all trying to achieve their differing purposes within those sets of rules. It's like there is this structure in place and they are all behaving according to the way the structure limits them. Like the rules of a game board. We seem to be the only ones in this game that can move our pieces where ever we want.



The one thing that won't lie is the rules. If we can figure out the rules and where the rules come from we should be able to see past the lies. We can figure out what game board we are on and how to play our own pieces.

Yep, yep and yep. I agree.

Edward

pontificator
03-17-2016, 07:12 AM
Can two people's/organisms' upper loop of consciousness (higher mind) discuss something or transfer information between eachother without letting the lower loop (lower mind) know directly, yet [as if carefully planned by the higher mind or soul/divine spark(which?)] expose the lower mind to relevant information of the conclusions/results of that information transfer [over time]?

If the higher mind is functional then that is certainly possible, and the summary ability is more dependent on the ability for the higher mind to interface with the lower mind correctly; a higher mind can be functional, but lack sufficient skill to make the lower mind fully aware of what it would wish to communicate. As for the divine spark, it is effectively a part of the soul, if you consider the soul to be a composite of several portions working in tandem to create a consciousness.

Fore
03-17-2016, 12:11 PM
Can two people's/organisms' upper loop of consciousness (higher mind) discuss something or transfer information between eachother without letting the lower loop (lower mind) know directly, yet [as if carefully planned by the higher mind or soul/divine spark(which?)] expose the lower mind to relevant information of the conclusions/results of that information transfer [over time]?

... Looks like a compound question.

Can two people's/organisms' upper loop of consciousness (higher mind) discuss something or transfer information between eachother

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without letting the lower loop (lower mind) know directly,

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yet [as if carefully planned by the higher mind or soul/divine spark(which?)] expose the lower mind to relevant information of the conclusions/results of that information transfer [over time]?

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The answer is Yes to all of the above independently or in addition to each other.


I think this is what I was interpreting the subject as when I asked you if the organic body has a kind of sentience of it's own.

*** The organic body has what the ET usually called organic algorithms. Not quite conscious on it's own as it requires upper loop interfacing to create what you sense as a consciousness in your own body. (best as I understood it through various ET lessons at the time)

The so called organic algorithms are like autonomous responses to stimulation. (hunger, sleepy, wanting to play, wanting to have sex, etc)

The lower loop (Lower mind) of an individual supposedly aids in creating a facade through which a person can identify themselves with their body.

The upper loop (Higher mind) of an individual supposedly is super-sentient (in a non-human way) and acts like a link in a chain carrying impulses from the "divine spark" that the advisor described.

Every layer meets at its respective middle and interfaces with the appropriate layers to make an individual who is self aware and has desires and inclinations etc.



Furthermore, is there a difference to the soul and the divine spark (divine spark; the first form of individuation from god-unity, if you know intuitively or knowingly what I mean by god-unity)? On the ET of things we rarely talked about things in terms of a soul or spirit, so while I know of those terms I didn't understand what they really meant until recently. (I used to assume they were interchangeable.)

Soul or spirit usually refer to the immaterial portion of an individual. So that is like a fuzzy term that covers a large array of individual components.

If I were to try to attach the words to their respective slots, I think the spirit of an individual is something like:
"Divine Spark" + Upper loop

Whereas the soul might then be something like:
"Divine Spark" + Upper Loop + Lower Loop (?)

I am unsure, it takes a bit of effort to evaluate what people define as a soul and spirit and it seems to change from person to person.



Sorry for the loosely formatted text. I am working on creating a desireable formatting-system.

I am worse than this, so no problems.

Fore
03-17-2016, 01:19 PM
I think the real question you want to know is if the higher mind and lower mind of an individual are aware of one another.

The answer varies depending on what you are weighing and how you weigh it.

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In human beings it looks like we are not (by default) aware of the higher mind as seen from our lower mind.

In other words, mentally, you shouldn't be aware it is there. Though, it infuses impulses through your mentality all day, every day.

The higher mind isn't aware of what your lower mind is doing (at times) and at other times it is. There is a complicated discussion on this that is hard (very hard) to parse back into English terms from when I talked with them (ET) about the subject. It is mostly about processing conscious data in the different format. Very hard topic to relay in any simple terms.

The point I should instead stick with is simply saying that psychic abilities are all about learning how to transform existing mechanisms in your body into a somewhat different behavior.

--Like generating a psychic field is really all about excessively amplifying an influence field that is supposed to be present but in small quantities until it overflows.

--Re-adapting influence structures to pick up data on different bands of influence.
In other words, forcing the influence structures not only to report back up the loop what data it has on the body it is stuck to, but also report on what is beyond the confines of the body. (ESP, Remote Viewing etc)

--"Finally", learning to re-purpose normal influence signals to achieve control of the upper loop and its attention to events. (various processes)
Which really means learning to communicate with your own upper consciousness which in reality is what controls the majority of the invisible aspects of yourself.

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So obviously, after you have run through that concourse you (eventually) must realize that each individual is a multi-layered cake.

"Telepathy" and any other psychic ability is merely "an induced trait" of all those three activities above.

So is communicating from one higher mind to another without the lower mind (between two individuals) being fully aware of it.

It all looks fancy until you are familiar with it, then it looks alot more normal.

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People on these forums aren't typically fully aware of what is actually going on behind their eyes. There are alot of hidden features and functionality and not everyone is exactly the same on the inside.

I would also like to point out that someday it would be nice if people also tried to see things from the other side of the tracks. In this case, try to see things from an ET perspective. (I know, that practically impossible without information)

I'd like it if people eventually realized just how out of touch many people are. It's really something.

Sansanoy
03-17-2016, 02:31 PM
Furthermore, is there a difference to the soul and the divine spark (divine spark; the first form of individuation from god-unity, if you know intuitively or knowingly what I mean by god-unity)?


I have no first hand knowledge over any of this but the Judaic interpretation of the soul is composite. They believe there are 5 parts of the soul, I disagree with them on some of the parts because our science has taught us that not everything that is experienced is derived from the soul.

This is my rationalization of it based on my views on dualism, science and Judaism. I need to use the word soul twice here so lets refer to the composite soul, all the parts that leave your body when you die as the omni soul and the essential aspect of your identity as the soul.

Omni-soul - The composite properties of existence when your body dies and you leave it. This is a composite existence of several properties including a soul. This is all that you are without a body. This is what people traditionally refer to generally as a spirit, but that is only a partial description of a composite being.

Soul - This is the essential property of your personal identity. Without it you cease to be a person. This is living information, so it includes your memory but it will not be the same as your bodily memory. When your soul enters a body it enters with a unique set of prior information, you do not start off as a blank soul. The experiences in the body profoundly change the information and nature of the soul, far more so than experiences in the spirit. In this way, the material world is like a refinery of the soul. It is only with a material body that one can perform Mitzvah (a type of good work) to produce a change in the soul.

Spirit - This is your potential, your power and your ability. This is the outer layer of the soul that allows you to act casually to what ever world surrounds you. It is your body when you have no material body. This would be the divine power that allows information to have power to act casually. If we compared it to a car and driver the driver would be the soul and the car would be the spirit. I believe the spirit is also the essential bonding mechanism between a body and soul.

Spirit apparel - These are capacities and natures of the spirit. A human soul has it's body as it's greatest apparel, but an immaterial spirit being has differing apparel in such a way that it can manifest as fire or as a human. Some of these manifestations may be nothing more than golems without emotions. Since I believe that a mind (Our current awareness tied to the brain, I think you could call it the lower mind)is the emergent product of a body and a soul I also suspect that a spirit being may chose a golem body for it's emergent properties in the same way that we might choose a better brain for more intelligence. So that covers the capacity of spirit apparel but there is also nature apparel. There seems to be something called "clothed in righteousness". Those spirits, including ours, that are arrayed with this can enter heaven. Heaven has many realms, the high heaven is where God is and there are many heavens below that. So when the general word heaven appears you can think of it as an immaterial world just as the universe is a material world. Heaven is simply where spirits dwell, some in close proximity to God and some not so much. A spirit being without this apparel is stuck between the material world and the immaterial world, in some void place (the abyss).

Divine essence. The word spirit is derived from Ruach meaning air or wind. These beings emanated from Gods power. They were created from the air when God said "Let there be X". When God spoke, this being came into existence separately from God. We humans were not created this way. God took the dust of the ground and formed our body, then he put his lips to ours and breathed life into us. This is an intimacy that our omni-soul contains that spirit omni-souls do not. I do not understand the implications of this for the human race, but it is something that spirit beings would desire to have or be jealous over. I am still thinking about what all this means but I believe one way to view it is to imagine it like having the bloodline of a great king. You may not have power like the spirits, but you have blood and that blood reaches back to something of great authority. It is something we should respect in everything we do.

Sansanoy
03-17-2016, 03:31 PM
Spirit - This is your potential, your power and your ability. This is the outer layer of the soul that allows you to act causally to what ever world surrounds you. It is your body when you have no material body. This would be the divine power that allows information to have power to act causally. If we compared it to a car and driver the driver would be the soul and the car would be the spirit. I believe the spirit is also the essential bonding mechanism between a body and soul.



Spelling correction. It should read causally rather than casually (lol).



I think the real question you want to know is if the higher mind and lower mind of an individual are aware of one another.

The answer varies depending on what you are weighing and how you weigh it.

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In human beings it looks like we are not (by default) aware of the higher mind as seen from our lower mind.

In other words, mentally, you shouldn't be aware it is there. Though, it infuses impulses through your mentality all day, every day.

The higher mind isn't aware of what your lower mind is doing (at times) and at other times it is. There is a complicated discussion on this that is hard (very hard) to parse back into English terms from when I talked with them (ET) about the subject. It is mostly about processing conscious data in the different format. Very hard topic to relay in any simple terms.



Based on the problems of dualism and my own experiences I have made a model I call emergent dualism that seems very similar to this. I wanted to see how it fits or doesn't fit your experiences.

Imagine 3 circles set apart in the shape of a triangle. The bottom left is the soul the bottom right is the body and the top is the mind. The mind is where you and I are right now. When we die that mind collapses and we are once again our soul, minus the advantages and limitations provided by the body. The body has thousands of sub minds that vie for attention in the mind. For example there are cells in the eye that activate to horizontal and vertical lines to draw your attention in a manner that is appropriate to your culture and life style. This is also why we can throw a baseball without doing math. Our body informs our mind of the correct pitch through feelings. It's also why we have fully formed thoughts in "eureka" moments rather than building those thought piece by piece in the mind.

Our soul also informs our mind through gut feelings and weird unconscious nudges. But for the most part our body circle leans heavily toward the mind circle in the diagram. I think the soul might be the source of the higher mind so that when our soul leans toward our mind (or visa versa) our mind becomes aware of the soul mind and exchanges information in such a way that a different experience of existence emerges, one that is less humanish, as defined by the body, and more primal in nature.

Does this model fit with your experiences and teachings? Is there anything that doesn't seem right about the model in your experience?

Fore
03-17-2016, 11:21 PM
Based on the problems of dualism and my own experiences I have made a model I call emergent dualism that seems very similar to this. I wanted to see how it fits or doesn't fit your experiences.

Imagine 3 circles set apart in the shape of a triangle. The bottom left is the soul the bottom right is the body and the top is the mind. The mind is where you and I are right now. When we die that mind collapses and we are once again our soul, minus the advantages and limitations provided by the body. Technically we should (slowly|gradually|quickly) collapse into our respective higher mind.

Upper loop processes continue while lower loop processes discontinue/unravel. Though there are supposedly lots of gotchas and exceptions based on what happens as that occurs.

--If your body dies (a physical object), and you remain "here", then your lower-loop untangles from the body (and it dies) and supposedly (your lower loop) seems to progressively dissolve/decompose still attached to a (dis)functioning interconnect....sans the body.

--If your body dies, and you continue upward, your lower-loop (and it's associated interconnect) disconnects from the body and then seems to either change/disappear. The patterned influence from the interconnect, that is extracted from the body is (hard to track) but seems to be left behind as it swirls above. What happens then, I can't know. It seems to take some time for it to dissipate. Longer than I have had a chance to observe.

It only takes about a few seconds though (sadly) for the dying to stop registering as being present in their body. The identity and locality of the formerly living entity seems to stop registering on ESP after a few minutes. Even when querying your own higher mind for the location of the identity, it registers as having no positional result. (a good thing I am sure)

Fore
03-18-2016, 12:03 AM
Imagine 3 circles set apart in the shape of a triangle. The bottom left is the soul the bottom right is the body and the top is the mind. The mind is where you and I are right now. When we die that mind collapses and we are once again our soul, minus the advantages and limitations provided by the body. Keep in mind I could talk about this topic in another way, but I doubt other onlookers will appreciate the depths of the discussion.

I wanted to point out that the less material aspects of you are less 3D than the average person assumes. Anything above the physical level is really less here nor there. Supposedly, according to the ET it is "a mental thing" where we associate "influence" as being specific to an area. It has more to do with interaction than it does with locality.

You can project the locality of a segment of influence a few feet behind your body in perpetuity as much as you can change it's position to being 4000 kilometers away. The lower mind is a fun house of mirrors and pragmatism as they explain long ago.

When I used to read the state of mind of Pontif (years ago) keep in mind he is literally on the other side of the Earth and is upside down compared to my relative position. Other members are probably sitting at an angle relative to me. As far as the location and targeting aspects, they might as well be a few feet away regardless of their actual physical position.

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The higher loop is even less associated with spacetime, so "you" aren't actually in your body as most people imagine it. The only thing that keeps a static position relative to the body is the associated interconnect of a person. The same interconnect that infuses your specific influence type (like a metaphysical blood type) into your body.

So when you modify/manifest excess influence it's always located by default right at the hub of your interconnect. Which is just inside the confines of your organic body.

Going further, nothing stops your upper loop consciousness (and everything associated) from reading your physical variations in the quantum flux that is spacetime. The only real things that stops that from happening are two kinds of filters. The one built into the interconnect itself which will filter out all signaling going up or down the chain....except the one your supposed to receive and send information to.

That can be changed if you are very careful so you can pick up selves in different time frames and probabilities. Which is how the ET seemingly do it and so did I.

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Adding: I suspect remove viewers and OOBE (out of body experiencers) who can re-orient their consciousness locality are probably individuals who have probably damaged (or modified) their interconnect. To the point that their structures are like that of a dead person. Able to move to a substantially different vantage point "at will". (assuming they even know how to do that)

Sansanoy
03-18-2016, 02:31 PM
--If your body dies (a physical object), and you remain "here", then your lower-loop untangles from the body (and it dies) and supposedly (your lower loop) seems to progressively dissolve/decompose still attached to a (dis)functioning interconnect....sans the body.



I wonder if this is the root of ancient beliefs of the dead. For several thousand years people had a custom of burying their dead in their own houses, and sometimes making totems of their skulls while feeding and making requests of them. It is believed that decay "physically" pains the dead person (trapped lower loop) and worms "are like needles". This could explain the physical preservation rituals as well as the ongoing spiritual preservation rituals (preserving the lower loop through offerings). When Jacob fled Laban, Rachel stole Labans gods, but in Jewish tradition these were the idols of his ancestors. In the Bible it's just inexplicable why she stole them, but in Jewish tradition it is explained that she stole them so that her father could not ask his ancestors where Jacob went.


As far as the location and targeting aspects, they might as well be a few feet away regardless of their actual physical position.



I know what you mean. In a certain occasion of my life while meditating (something I don't normally do, it just sort of fell upon me) my perception went to some "place" (no name for it). What I noticed was that "here" was someone, "there" was someone they were all communicating but distance was meaningless. When I say here and there it refers to their physical root location but not where they are in that place. It's so weird it's like there is some unnameable coordinate system for that place. Here I know location by xyz in a slightly complicated way but there the "where" is just a knowing feeling. Something X can be separate from something Y without there being any "distance". Or perhaps our problem is we view distance as requiring energy or effort to accomplish whereas over there no energy is required, or distance is just not a relevant factor to anything there. I wonder if the system of locality of that realm can be viewed in the same way we view abstract objects. A flat head screw driver is near to a philips head screw driver. A lemon is near to a lime. They are near to each other but xyz is not relevant to that thought of nearness. I don't mean it's literally like a lime and a lemon but that we might be able to discover things about the nature of that world by thinking about 'abstract objects'.




Going further, nothing stops your upper loop consciousness (and everything associated) from reading your physical variations in the quantum flux that is spacetime. The only real things that stops that from happening are two kinds of filters. The one built into the interconnect itself which will filter out all signaling going up or down the chain....except the one your supposed to receive and send information to.



This explains so much. I sometimes know the future, but I don't see it like a vision. Sometimes I remember it, other times it feels like Quantum Super Position is collapsing, and I feel it collapsing. In particular the "shuffled time" experience I mentioned in your pre-cognition thread. It's where a particular time line causes itself to cease to occur by knowledge of that time line...and you "feel" that occurring.

I'm smiling ear to ear this is just amazing stuff.

L-W
03-19-2016, 03:52 AM
Does ET use psychadelic drugs?

Fore
03-19-2016, 06:00 AM
Does ET use psychadelic drugs?I don't know. I don't think so? <shrug>

Sansanoy
03-21-2016, 04:06 PM
Regarding the assets of the non cooperative sector. It seems that the technology to create couriers and a network of useful assets was well in place by the CIA way back in the 60's and earlier. In project MKultra they were able to bypass resistance to hypnosis through sodium pentothal and amytal creating a deeper hypnosis. This created a full hypnosis in which they had full operative control. They were also able to depattern people though hypnosis and medically induced comas for 90 days. Through depatterning they essentially remove our identity and memory. When people wake up from these states they have to relearn everything, even simple stuff like not soiling themselves, they are essentially infants for the state to raise like parents. Those that they have hypnotized will remain triggerable for 20 years, and longer if refreshed. These hypnotics can be triggered anywhere around the world through non audible sounds sent through a telephone.

The CIA also discovered that the frequencies used in television and radio broadcast can be used to cause voices in ones head or induce emotions. Psitech ( I think it was them) was able to cause specific behavior through microwave broadcasts. They broadcast the statement "bring us cake" and the party that received the microwave broadcast allegedly brought them cake. Equally shocking is that watching TV puts people into a relaxed and semi hypnotic suggestible state.

So playing devils advocate here, if I was this truly evil group that needed assets I would create a system where I can remain maximally isolated from my assets in every conceivable way. I would use hypnotic couriers but I would also use planted agents who even to themselves seemed like a normal person but in fact they have a sub layer of programmed behavior. They could be programmed to wake up every month and make a report then fall asleep again and forget everything they did. I would try to develop a way to communicate directly to the subconscious without notifying the consciousness in such a way that I could make use of the prehypnotic state that television puts people in to insert a hypnotic back door in everyone. In this way I could intercept a potential asset, trigger them hypnotically into my care, take them off site for interrogation and then reinsert them back into society seamlessly.

This would allow them to remain a minimal organization but have a maximal amount of assets. I think the only technology that is not already made public is the ability to effectively bypass the consciousness and communicate with the subconscious directly. That would be the key to putting in hypnotic backdoors into people. They needed sodium pentothal to do this in the past because people knew they were trying to hypnotize them, but if you can do it without them knowing it should work just as well.

whoknows
03-21-2016, 06:29 PM
One thing that strikes me about this tread is it's complexity, which makes me wonder to what overall purpose any entities, groups or organizations would have to go to such lengths? I know this is going to sound very rude and I suppose it is but the general public are sheeple. There are a few whom follow the "left had path." I am referring to Joseph Campbell's interpretation of the phrase. It exist in all of us it just needs to be awoken. https://www.facebook.com/ApotheosisStudios/posts/1041141905920204


https://books.google.com/books?id=TKGe6GRh-sUC&pg=PT71&lpg=PT71&dq=%22left+handed+path%22+joseph+campbell&source=bl&ots=pkbi0Bbm2A&sig=l7h1QsARkku7RLu8UIQKjrE72tg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXsvaRpNLLAhVFNT4KHRxIB4UQ6AEILTAD#v=on epage&q=%22left%20handed%20path%22%20joseph%20campbell&f=false

"We do not see things as they are. We see them as we are."
-The Talmud

Edward
03-21-2016, 10:12 PM
Regarding the assets of the non cooperative sector. It seems that the technology to create couriers and a network of useful assets was well in place by the CIA way back in the 60's and earlier. In project MKultra they were able to bypass resistance to hypnosis through sodium pentothal and amytal creating a deeper hypnosis. This created a full hypnosis in which they had full operative control. They were also able to depattern people though hypnosis and medically induced comas for 90 days. Through depatterning they essentially remove our identity and memory. When people wake up from these states they have to relearn everything, even simple stuff like not soiling themselves, they are essentially infants for the state to raise like parents. Those that they have hypnotized will remain triggerable for 20 years, and longer if refreshed. These hypnotics can be triggered anywhere around the world through non audible sounds sent through a telephone.

The CIA also discovered that the frequencies used in television and radio broadcast can be used to cause voices in ones head or induce emotions. Psitech ( I think it was them) was able to cause specific behavior through microwave broadcasts. They broadcast the statement "bring us cake" and the party that received the microwave broadcast allegedly brought them cake. Equally shocking is that watching TV puts people into a relaxed and semi hypnotic suggestible state.

So playing devils advocate here, if I was this truly evil group that needed assets I would create a system where I can remain maximally isolated from my assets in every conceivable way. I would use hypnotic couriers but I would also use planted agents who even to themselves seemed like a normal person but in fact they have a sub layer of programmed behavior. They could be programmed to wake up every month and make a report then fall asleep again and forget everything they did. I would try to develop a way to communicate directly to the subconscious without notifying the consciousness in such a way that I could make use of the prehypnotic state that television puts people in to insert a hypnotic back door in everyone. In this way I could intercept a potential asset, trigger them hypnotically into my care, take them off site for interrogation and then reinsert them back into society seamlessly.

This would allow them to remain a minimal organization but have a maximal amount of assets. I think the only technology that is not already made public is the ability to effectively bypass the consciousness and communicate with the subconscious directly. That would be the key to putting in hypnotic backdoors into people. They needed sodium pentothal to do this in the past because people knew they were trying to hypnotize them, but if you can do it without them knowing it should work just as well.


What about listening on in either via the conscious or subconscious mind or seeing events through said eyes of the person you are sending/receiving? I mean you speak of methods of sending and programming and activating through various methods, what remotely accessing the individual? Is there machines or methods that can pick up on various wavelengths of the conscious mind and subconscious? If not then perhaps someone with various psychic abilities?


Edward

Sansanoy
03-21-2016, 11:15 PM
What about listening on in either via the conscious or subconscious mind or seeing events through said eyes of the person you are sending/receiving? I mean you speak of methods of sending and programming and activating through various methods, what remotely accessing the individual? Is there machines or methods that can pick up on various wavelengths of the conscious mind and subconscious? If not then perhaps someone with various psychic abilities?


Edward

The brain does broadcast electromagnetic waves that can easily be picked up in direct proximity. The emotive device is one example you can get for $300 dollars. It macros brain states to computer functions. The only problem is that those electromagnetic waves don't have the power to go very far. I don't know of any remote machines that can do this, not because it would be impossible but because it's power level at a remote distance would be so low as to be indistinguishable from the noise floor. There are natural RF waves at television frequencies but the actual television channel is so far above the noise floor in power that the real signal can be determined from the noise. I suppose if it could be done you would have to have a computer that could determine information from random noise but I don't know how a computer could make that determination because information is qualitative.

They have been able to receive information from brain waves remotely to an extent using direct contact between brains. They can use receivers and transmitters to pick up a brain state, and then retransmit that brainstate to another person through a hard line. It doesn't allow them to control the other person, just communicate simple things to them. The person at the other end is clearing his mind and waiting to receive a thought. The technology exists publicly to remotely experience, just not the technology to receive the brain state remotely from the brain.

If it could be done reliably and remotely it would likely be psychically and Fore would know better than me on that.

Part of the governmental push to digital was so that new frequencies could be used. Previously each channel was given 6mhz in which to broadcast an analog signal. So each TV channel was stacked above the other channel ascending in 6mhz per channel. Now that 6 mhz is divided between several sub channels operating on 1's and 0's so that you can have realistically 4 channels inside your 6mhz of assigned RF. The government is trying to take up the unused digital spectrum from broadcast channels. So if you only broadcast 2 channels per your 6mhz they want to free up the specturm for other purposes. Basically they want to squeeze the huge RF spectrum for television into a smaller range and free up a large portion of the spectrum for something else. They could be doing it for good reasons or bad I don't know, but this is the same operational range for remote mind control.

Fore
03-21-2016, 11:27 PM
One thing that strikes me about this tread is it's complexity, which makes me wonder to what overall purpose any entities, groups or organizations would have to go to such lengths?

If your question is why do I know so much, (supposedly), it is because someone like me is analyzed, slotted and measured in relevant attributes. They profile'd on an ongoing basis, testing reactions and trying different kinds of tactics to throw you off.

If you stick to a rigid system and are inflexible in some ways, (committing events to memory, asking the right questions, being logical in a good way and throwing back details that came out of them like a sledgehammer coming their way) some of their tricks don't work out. Other times you pick up (or lift/steal) from them the concepts and you more or less figure out what they want to generally achieve.

Everything I have ever said is what you should expect someone of my type to know. Some probably know alot more.

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I expected to eventually see others, one way or the other, but as they kept explaining things and they expressed the numbers and details, you could pretty much infer that people in general shouldn't/wouldn't know much of anything. (that is what I eventually found on my own)

Everything presented to me was always stated in a more or less sanitized and benign way. Even I was naive back then. But if you review things with a lot of cynicism and ample objectivity you can peel off the sticker off their prepackaged story and perhaps even see why things were presented the way they were.

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Anyway, the thread itself isn't complex in my view. It is a very simplified and dumbed down version of what I actually heard with better than 50% of the details left out.

I have figured out over the years that I don't need to be too specific about things. And another thing to keep in mind is that they enforced behaviors that are now second nature to me.

For example, if I actually walk you/Sansanoy through any specific detail without using generalities. I am pretty sure an ET will take the wrong way pretty quickly.

If you don't think that is the case, I would like to try it out on Sansanoy/Wansen and see if anything is at all different about practices behind the scenes. I'll pretend that I don't receive the warnings and won't mention anything unless the member themselves does it for me.

I am pretty sure it is easy to get the ET's watching upset without trying very hard. :angel_not:

Edward
03-21-2016, 11:49 PM
I am pretty sure it is easy to get the ET's watching upset without trying very hard. :angel_not:

And why would they get so upset? Why would they even care? Unless............... :cool:


Edward

Fore
03-22-2016, 04:54 AM
Regarding the assets of the non cooperative sector. It seems that the technology to create couriers and a network of useful assets was well in place by the CIA way back in the 60's and earlier. In project MKultra they were able to bypass resistance to hypnosis through sodium pentothal and amytal creating a deeper hypnosis. This created a full hypnosis in which they had full operative control. They were also able to depattern people though hypnosis and medically induced comas for 90 days. Through depatterning they essentially remove our identity and memory. When people wake up from these states they have to relearn everything, even simple stuff like not soiling themselves, they are essentially infants for the state to raise like parents. Those that they have hypnotized will remain triggerable for 20 years, and longer if refreshed. These hypnotics can be triggered anywhere around the world through non audible sounds sent through a telephone. I can only see things from the lense of my experience, but I wanted to add 10's of cents to this paragraph. While stopping myself from doing so for the third time.

http://i.imgur.com/X0cHg16.png

(The last one I seemed to have already deleted since I wasn't happy with the details. Details like these I throw away because I am not convinced it is a good idea to put it as accurately as that.)

Fore
03-22-2016, 06:17 AM
Regarding the assets of the non cooperative sector. It seems that the technology to create couriers and a network of useful assets was well in place by the CIA way back in the 60's and earlier. In project MKultra they were able to bypass resistance to hypnosis through sodium pentothal and amytal creating a deeper hypnosis. This created a full hypnosis in which they had full operative control. They were also able to depattern people though hypnosis and medically induced comas for 90 days. Through depatterning they essentially remove our identity and memory. When people wake up from these states they have to relearn everything, even simple stuff like not soiling themselves, they are essentially infants for the state to raise like parents. Those that they have hypnotized will remain triggerable for 20 years, and longer if refreshed. These hypnotics can be triggered anywhere around the world through non audible sounds sent through a telephone. Let me point out what I see when I read the above.

Whats in red makes me wonder why the text mentions well known drugs instead of something one has never heard of?

What is in blue makes me think about the word phrasing "depatterning". Kind of an odd phrase coming from a Human led CIA. Rarely do people think of human thoughts as patterns. Only ET think of human inter-cerebral functions as a composite pattern for the fact that they can see the electrical patterns inside of a human being while a person thinks through the aid of ESP.

I am assuming de-patterning must mean something else like a more human description for thought and cognition? Odd choice of words.

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Whats in green makes me very suspicious. The fact that a human agency talks of patterning and that an implied concept of decaying patterns is mentioned. Referencing back to the 90 days and coma inducement. Makes me assume the human agency probably knows by that time that the human brain organically trims data and inter-connectivity after a long period of inactivity. Something only described in ET lectures. Interesting to possibly find such a notion in Project MkUltra?

I thought that was a only a public discovery in medical science of recent times?

Last part of the green sounds like an outright lie. I wonder if that is disinformation on the individual being triggered by "inaudioable sounds".

Makes me think of an ET tangent of information. Particularly of targeting individuals on the other side of the phone with a direct line of association. (A psychic phenomena)

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If you wanted to reprogram someone you could do it through various methods. The proposed CIA version sounds like it is full of a cover story.

Wonders if they were already employing psychic means for proper remote targeting techniques? Telephone? Inaudioable sounds?

Is that some kind of code for psychic targeting of an individual? Inaudioable sounds would not be noticeable and therefore wouldn't logically trigger anything in an observer. Makes me wonder if the phrase is intentionally obfuscating something else. 60's? Wasn't that around the time of the Russians working on PSI weapons?

Shouldn't have taken a genius at the CIA to develop something that works using conventional and psychic phenomena.




The CIA also discovered that the frequencies used in television and radio broadcast can be used to cause voices in ones head or induce emotions. Psitech ( I think it was them) was able to cause specific behavior through microwave broadcasts. They broadcast the statement "bring us cake" and the party that received the microwave broadcast allegedly brought them cake. Equally shocking is that watching TV puts people into a relaxed and semi hypnotic suggestible state. I think this is a lie.

If anything, as soon as the "White" sector discovered there were PSI capable ET, they would have wanted to replicate just about everything they witnessed. From the Invisibility of the crafts to every kind of psychic phenomena. Down to logically developing similar technologies used in some of the more artificial kinds of ET life forms.

If they recovered any bodies, or even living ET, they would have quickly noticed the obvious. And they would have wanted to replicate every facet and technologies. Limitations in technologies would have led scientist to create hypothesis on what the supernatural phenomena is surrounding some recovered entities.

Then they would have noticed at least some of the ET crafts use non-obvious interfaces using such principles.
Then they would have to have come up with a scheme to use commonly available technologies to bridge the limitations of that time.

Pulsed Electricity that can create transient phenomena in influence patterns. PSI weapons and PSI manipulation techniques.

Studying "Influence Space" they would have come up with more than one hypothesis on supernatural phenomena and its shadow, influence phenomena.
Then through effort learned of the limitations of such phenomena, creating some kind of security measures that prevent the phenomena from being effective and creating the first security zones designed specifically against influence phenomena.

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Having the ET in some form of isolation, they should have had more than enough reason to study the esoteric and historical accounts from around the world.
Though they would have then probably have peeked inside some UFO's and the occupants and informed themselves that not all ET are natural.

The artificial ones must have inspired them "how do we replicate these?". The Artificial intelligence inside certain UFO craft should have inspired them on the idea of recreating phenomena through artificial constructs. Sans the living entity.

Such as Pulsed electrical phenomena designed to induce influence patterns. That then creates processes similar to what is created by ET life forms. Though they (ET) probably don't use pulsed electrical phenomena as an intermediary. (?)

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Assuming they succeeded in having created artificial intelligence aspects that were found in some non-natural ET and having recreated the physical anatomy associated with the very same bodies, for the first time on the horizon they may have tried to make the first human made ETs. How they created the programming though is a mystery.

The artificial "intelligence" found in certain ET crafts must have allowed them to pilot unconventional craft and develop the <gulp, I hope not> first phasing technologies.

Anyway, back to the CIA....


The CIA also discovered that the frequencies used in television and radio broadcast can be used to cause voices in ones head or induce emotions. Psitech ( I think it was them) was able to cause specific behavior through microwave broadcasts. They broadcast the statement "bring us cake" and the party that received the microwave broadcast allegedly brought them cake. Equally shocking is that watching TV puts people into a relaxed and semi hypnotic suggestible state.

Gee, having mentioned all that, perhaps what the above really means is that they and the Russians had a field day creating PSI weapons and trying to induce and modulate influence space for their own reasons. The "Russians" apparently being less successful than "the Americans" from the looks of things.

Well, it's obvious that the CIA would have found out there is something to this psychic phenomena and like all things American would have set out to dominate the methods and techniques in every way and application. (?) Probably where MKUltra spinoffs came from I am guessing.

I notice though that everything I know of being mentioned about MKUltra is said to be conventional technologies. Instead it sounds like they dabbled in a little bit of everything. From conventional to the esoteric from the way things are phrased.

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If they succeeded in recreating UFO and ET artificial intelligence...and did the next step....to replace the organic human being from being the influence generator, then they could have done just about anything and anywhere.

From piloting unconventional crafts to creating the programming for non-natural organic ETs to function. If they clone the organics, and plug in a


So playing devils advocate here, if I was this truly evil group that needed assets I would create a system where I can remain maximally isolated from my assets in every conceivable way. I would use hypnotic couriers but I would also use planted agents who even to themselves seemed like a normal person but in fact they have a sub layer of programmed behavior. They could be programmed to wake up every month and make a report then fall asleep again and forget everything they did. I would try to develop a way to communicate directly to the subconscious without notifying the consciousness in such a way that I could make use of the prehypnotic state that television puts people in to insert a hypnotic back door in everyone. In this way I could intercept a potential asset, trigger them hypnotically into my care, take them off site for interrogation and then reinsert them back into society seamlessly. Already invented on the ET side.

You don't need the TV either.


This would allow them to remain a minimal organization but have a maximal amount of assets. I think the only technology that is not already made public is the ability to effectively bypass the consciousness and communicate with the subconscious directly. That would be the key to putting in hypnotic backdoors into people. They needed sodium pentothal to do this in the past because people knew they were trying to hypnotize them, but if you can do it without them knowing it should work just as well.The ET are still adapting it for it to work properly as of 15 year ago or so.

Fore
03-22-2016, 06:51 AM
From piloting unconventional crafts to creating the programming for non-natural organic reproduction ETs to function. If they clone the ET organics, and plug in the artificial influence code for that organic ET, they could make a custom (made in the USA) ET. As many as their budget allows.

Which some insiders have claimed thats what they have seen. So perhaps there is some truth to it. Maybe.

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Further more, the Human Groups could recreate something very similar to an ET lab. With the implied ability to use the artificially intelligent interfaces that are independent of any organic body.

You could use those devices to recreate human telepaths (at least those who are compatible anyway).

You could create the ~sentient intelligence~ that drives certain ET crafts systems.

You could probably even rewrite more than one human beings memories in a MILAB somewhere. :angel_not:

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But keep in mind, this is all fantasy, none of this is even remotely true. Or at least that is what I am supposed to say. :cool:

Sansanoy
03-22-2016, 04:44 PM
I don't know anything about sodium amytal but pentothal makes sense chemically. It can be used to put people into comas as well as anesthetize the upper cognitive functions of the brain disabling complex thought. I think your suspicion over the word "depattern" is warranted. The people that led these studies were truly evil people. Two of them, Anton Lavay and Michael Aquino became founders of two satanic cults, the temple of set and satanism. They were deeply involved in esoteric ideology. They used Russia as an excuse to begin research on these things but there was something far more sinister involved here. Something happened in the early 1900's that set the world on some deeply evil course. Something was released into our world at that time. Two people were openly trying to release it, Jack Parsons (JPL nasa) and Aliester Crowley. These people are trying to bring something into this world, both to lead it and to change mankind, and on the other side the aliens are telling us that is exactly what they are here for only they won't identify themselves with "lucifer".

I also think there is something wrong with the "bring us cake" story. iirc it was psitech which Michael Aquino had a hand in. I listened to about 10 hours of CIA video while multitasking over the weekend, and I missed the reference and details for this story. What I find suspicious is that the "US" is undeclared in the message. How would the "us" be referenced correctly such that the right person would receive cake? I think it is possible to use these frequencies to make a message but it would have to be calibrated to each individual person. I don't think you could broadcast 1 signal that could massage every persons temporal lobe into falsely generating audio.

Regarding the inaudible sound, I think our subconscious could be aware of more than our conscious. So it may be that when the subconsciousness experiences this frequency it activates the suggestion. So maybe when they are hypnotized they say "when you hear this sound (play sound) you will X" and the subconsciousness experiences the sound and makes a note of the suggestion. I guess it all depends on whether the subconsciousness is aware of things beyond the audible range.

Some of the research into these frequencies for mind control may have come from UFO's themselves. According the UK files (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121026065214/http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UapInTheUkAirDefenceRegionVolume2.htm) the "UAP"s broadcast non ionizing radiation (anything from the AM band to cell frequencies.) They believe they are using some frequencies to disable vehicles which does make sense. Back in the analog tv days faulty spark plugs would interfere with certain television channels. It would cause the signal to snow up in a beat pattern when a truck or car with bad plugs would drive by. They also believed that this same radiation was being used to paralyze people "One explanation is that either constant or pulsed microwave, coupling into the nervous system may cause this affect. Pulsed interference with the human system is possible because of the 500 milliseconds muscle relaxation delay. " (vol 2a page E1) iirc there is also something in there about using non ionizing radiation to cause "missing time".

What you said about the way some people are released as disinformation agents resonates with me. Mainly because these disinformation agents have all these amazingly bad accounts (example reptilians loving drano like beer) but at the same time they have some deeply occult threads. Al Bielek is a good example, he is obviously a disinformation agent but at the same time he has this idea of sex (in his case child rape) being used to implant the subconsciousness of one person into another. Like a form of programming. This same practice has been used in occult magic since forever. It's used ritualistically to implant demons into people (though they don't call them demons). Another thing he mentions is them torturing children to record their patterns of fear. This also goes back to occult magic where children would be sacrificed in ultimate fear because it would cause their adrenaline to release and then they would drink their blood like a mind altering elixir. Someone who is simply crazy doesn't come up with with stuff that resonates this deep into the occult. This is a guy who was attached to the truth but has become manually deranged from it, just like you said. And it makes sense to do it this way. It's easier to corrupt the information there by adding absurdities to the memory and altering some aspects of it than it is to completely "depattern" someone and reraise them as an infant.

If I can help in any way that does not give "them" permissions I would be glad to do so.

Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble with typing the wrong homonyms? I'm having a terrible time with it. "hear instead of here" "know instead of no", "against instead of agents". I keep having to go back and correct myself.

Edward
03-22-2016, 05:24 PM
Is it just me or is anyone else having trouble with typing the wrong homonyms? I'm having a terrible time with it. "hear instead of here" "know instead of no", "against instead of agents". I keep having to go back and correct myself.


Sometimes I catch myself other times you'll see it in my postings, but yes. I do it quiet a bit myself. As we are mentally and physically typing out any posts, we get in mode of well you know what you are typing and it all sounds the same but grammatically it is wrong as you have so noted. Why does this happen? I don't know.


Edward

whoknows
03-22-2016, 06:34 PM
If you stick to a rigid system and are inflexible in some ways, (committing events to memory, asking the right questions, being logical in a good way and throwing back details that came out of them like a sledgehammer coming their way) some of their tricks don't work out. Other times you pick up (or lift/steal) from them the concepts and you more or less figure out what they want to generally achieve.


Fore are you sure this wouldn't make you more malleable than less?


Everything presented to me was always stated in a more or less sanitized and benign way. Even I was naive back then. But if you review things with a lot of cynicism and ample objectivity you can peel off the sticker off their prepackaged story and perhaps even see why things were presented the way they were.

I would make and exhaustive study on objectivity. I mean the most objective people I can think of are theoretical mathematicians and even they are shaped by what came before, therefore subjects of the past and, are quite often wrong.

BTW making these statements does not make me any less subjective or more objective. Is the pudding the proof or is the proof in the pudding?

Just remember the title of this thread is "What We Think We Know So Far." What we think we know so far is subject to and capable of being shattered by what we may come to know. I have hung my metaphorical coat on too ridged a frame work in the past only to have uprooted by the winds of proof. LOL really I find myself wrong more often than not. But it sure is fun testing the boundaries of what we think we know, actually very freeing!

Fore
03-22-2016, 06:37 PM
I don't know anything about sodium amytal but pentothal makes sense chemically. It can be used to put people into comas as well as anesthetize the upper cognitive functions of the brain disabling complex thought. I think your suspicion over the word "depattern" is warranted. The people that led these studies were truly evil people. Two of them, Anton Lavay and Michael Aquino became founders of two satanic cults, the temple of set and satanism. They were deeply involved in esoteric ideology. They used Russia as an excuse to begin research on these things but there was something far more sinister involved here. Something happened in the early 1900's that set the world on some deeply evil course. Something was released into our world at that time. Two people were openly trying to release it, Jack Parsons (JPL nasa) and Aliester Crowley. These people are trying to bring something into this world, both to lead it and to change mankind, and on the other side the aliens are telling us that is exactly what they are here for only they won't identify themselves with "lucifer".

You know what your thoughts brought up in my mind, I didn't know all that background stuff, but you brought up an interesting insight.

I wonder (fearfully), if those bastards at R&D ("Black" sector) in the Human Groups were actually crazy/deranged enough to utilize spiritually dead entities as a replacement for the artificial code behind some artificial ET's consciousness.

I don't know why, but when you mentioned that, for some strange reason I had a few eureka moments with possible connections between topics.
I wonder if that is why a couple of those ET's I encountered, who claimed to work with human groups felt so "evil".

Intelligence of an ET but a spirit like a demon? Is it possible.

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Who in the heck would have ever even have allowed such a project to even begin going down that route.
I seriously hope that what that connection implies isn't the case. I can't help but be hopeful that they never dipped into that forbidden cup.
Although, I can't imagine the Human Groups would have held back for very long with exploiting the esoteric if "these people" figured out there is a reality behind the phenomena and wanted to know of the in's and outs of everything forbidden.

That is truly worthy of divine punishment.
Makes me wonder deeply if the foretold biblical horde of 200 million is somehow a reference to inhuman things being grown and inculcated with dead souls.
Many disturbing possibilities if so.

Too disturbing to consider....

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Though, I know there are insiders who claimed they have seen ET's being grown in huge batches in facilities in the UK.
With very similar techniques to those used by ET.

And then I recall also that some MILAB victims state the most bizarre types of practices and perverse treatments. Stuff that no sane mind would really come up with.

...Unless you had replica ETs with malevolent spiritual souls buried inside. Man, I sure hope that is nothing real. But the possibility is there.

calikid
03-22-2016, 07:19 PM
Sometimes I catch myself other times you'll see it in my postings, but yes. I do it quiet a bit myself. As we are mentally and physically typing out any posts, we get in mode of well you know what you are typing and it all sounds the same but grammatically it is wrong as you have so noted. Why does this happen? I don't know.


Edward
I wouldn't worry to much about misspelled words. Sometimes when typing fast, it is hard to notice autocorrect jumped in with a totally wrong substitution.

Garuda
03-22-2016, 07:43 PM
I wouldn't worry to much about misspelled words. Sometimes when typing fast, it is hard to notice autocorrect jumped in with a totally wrong substitution.

Sometimes autocorrect makes me say things that I did nintendo.

Sansanoy
03-22-2016, 11:42 PM
...Unless you had replica ETs with malevolent spiritual souls buried inside. Man, I sure hope that is nothing real. But the possibility is there.

I have been trying to come up with a TOA that explains ancient history, abduction phenomenon, as well as human activity and this was one of my conclusions as well. I came to this same conclusion through a different method. I took the first book of Enoch as my primary framework because that book is either true or entirely fabricated by humans but based on beliefs that stretched back toward that time period. The important thing about those two possibilities is that alien disinformation isn't one of the possibilities. It's literally a book of embarrassment for angels, that has humans stepping in for their sake. If they were inclined to do anything about the book it would be to destroy it rather than write it.

So I took a piece of paper and on one side I wrote the things that these angels lost and on the other side I drew what they would desire based on the things that they lost.
Lost
Bound for 70 generations (which puts us at now)
Ability to enter heaven, which places them in the void or abyss as referred to in the Judaism. An empty place between heaven and earth.
They lost their children, the spirits of their children became evil spirits and they would lament and make supplication for them unto eternity
No peace or forgiveness would be granted to the watchers.

Desires
They would seek to leave the void by entering earth as that is more likely than entering heaven.
They would seek to restore their children by putting them back into a human body
They would seek forgiveness through a human body because forgiveness is available to humans. Perhaps they think that because the body so profoundly effects the soul that they could perform mitzvah and prayer to seek forgiveness. I don't know. In the midrash there is a story that the angels pointed out our sin and told God that they should have earth instead. God said "I know that would you live on that world, the evil inclination would rule you just as much as it controls man, but you would be even worse". But the angels said that they would do better so God granted them the authority to go down to earth. If that is true they might be seeking another shot at accomplishing this task.

One of the most interesting aspects of the book of Enoch is why the nephilim are evil spirits. Enoch 15. "Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men, and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin" There seems to be some miraculous zipping process during conception that combines aspects of the male soul with aspects of the female soul. This is why sin is carried down from the father, and why Jesus had to be born not from a human father. So when the angels laid with humans aspects of the angels soul (soul including spirit) was zipped up with aspects of the human mothers soul such that when the body died the resulting soul was an evil spirit being rather than a human soul. They may be trying to use this process to insert themselves into our soul design or they may be altering our DNA to manufacture specific bodies that can be bonded with specific spirit souls at the moment of conception before a human soul can be acquired for that body.

Another interesting aspect to this is that punishment for sin occurs on and unto the 3rd and 4th generations (Deuteronomy 5:8-10). This is interesting because on page 85 of "The Threat" by David Jacobs he says that the process of hybridization is complete at the 4th or 5th generation. Basically falling just after the expiration of punishment. If they were seeking to avoid judgement they would have to process the body through 3 or 4 generations. Probably coincidence but it is interesting.

So putting the pieces together they want immediate peace for themselves and their children as well as eventual salvation for themselves. So immediately they will seek to create a human body to house both their own spirits as well as their children's spirits so that they might have a temporary peace. After doing so they will in some way take advantage of that situation to avoid the impending judgement for them by some means. Some people assume they will use their freedom to spite God and mankind but I think they it would make more sense if they tried to use that time to save themselves from judgement instead.

Another possible way to achieve this avoidance of judgement may be to acquire what our souls have that their souls lack. That is the Neshama, the breath of God. This is an intimacy from God that occurred with our creation that did not occur with the creation of spirit beings. God breathed His essence into us to bring us to life, but for the spirits he called them into creation. They may perhaps be seeking what ever process occurs between man and woman at human conception to acquire this Neshama and so inherit the same status as us and perhaps by some method seek salvation.

The way they would seek to avoid judgement is still pretty fuzzy to me but their immediate need to enter this world and leave that void place is pretty clear. This is exactly what their children the demons seek to do now by possession. Even dead they hunger and thirst for human things. So it may not be a distant possibility that one of their primary goals is to put spiritual souls in physical bodies. That is all heavily dependent of ones world view of course but some of the common threads of abductions are soul work where the soul is removed (Linda Moulton Howe talks about this a lot) and reimplanted and hybridization.

Fore
03-23-2016, 03:01 AM
An interesting perspective:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-theory-of-consciousness/

calikid
03-23-2016, 06:48 AM
An interesting perspective:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/a-theory-of-consciousness/


The integrated information theory (IIT) of consciousness.
A few obvious flaws, but thought provoking none the less.
Thanks for sharing.

Fore
03-23-2016, 11:39 AM
I also think there is something wrong with the "bring us cake" story. iirc it was psitech which Michael Aquino had a hand in. I listened to about 10 hours of CIA video while multitasking over the weekend, and I missed the reference and details for this story. What I find suspicious is that the "US" is undeclared in the message. How would the "us" be referenced correctly such that the right person would receive cake? I think it is possible to use these frequencies to make a message but it would have to be calibrated to each individual person. I don't think you could broadcast 1 signal that could massage every persons temporal lobe into falsely generating audio. Well, I can tell you one thing is certain.

When I am using my own psychic ability, I can lock onto members through interaction. Passive or otherwise. As long as I can sense their pattern from where I am it is enough to give me access.

What type of "access" depends on any method applied using psychic means.

So even a the phone call to someone is enough to build the connection. If the CIA used a similar techniques then it really would be wordless and inaudioable. Though the phone doesn't do anything nor does the speaker in the phone. Nor does the electromagnetic spectrum. It's all done on a different spectrum.

Now of course, any psychic activity produces "structured noise" at different layers of reality. So in that case, if I produce a large enough or specific enough gradient of noise, the effect is that electromagnetic interference occurs. But that is just a symptom and not the cause.

And I mean that from first hand experience, not a theory or fantasy. So I am 100% positive on that.
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Of course, if you are a genius at the CIA and you figure out that "structured noise" in "influence space" equates to electromagnetic disturbances.
Then that same genius at the CIA would also assume that if you do the reverse of inducing specific kinds of "structured noise" in the electromagnetic spectrum you can also then induce changes to the "influence space" spectrum.

Do it well enough and you can access psychic phenomena using (seemingly nonsensical) electrical pulses.

Does that mean the CIA uses electric technology to produce similar results? Who knows?
If they can't build the technologies used by the ET which produce influence patterns directly, then that would be one handicapped way of doing it. Though I assume they would be fairly limited by what they can achieve.

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For example, it may be completely impractical to do anything particularly complex with electric fields to stimulate influence field patterns. The voltages or the propagation of the electric fields might cause other problems which may defeat the ultimate purpose. For example, beaming a thought into the head of someone by using electrical means.

The manner of doing so through that technological handicap might cause the location of the intended receiver to notice events that interfere with other electronics. Or you might fry someones brain. I have no idea. But it sounds like an impractical application for most useful things.

If I were to beam a signal (even a microwave) all the way to Pontif, it would require a few megawatts to get a signal that far using the electromagnetic spectrum. It would also probably fry his brain.

So while it sounds to me like that might have been a measure used at the beginning for the lack of better technology like those of the ET, it sounds like it would have probably have been a very limited development. (Of course I know no one actually knows what the CIA had access to back then)

Still, the way things read, it sounds alot like it's described as using conventional techniques (microwaves, electromagnetism, sound triggers etc). No clue how they would have made it work that way.

I do not doubt they were test beaming population areas to see if they could perhaps manipulate factors like concentration. But useful aspects like mind control...I am very skeptical. If they got it working I am inclined to believe they used more traditional ET methods. Maybe they didn't know it was from ET and all that. Dunno. Just a hunch though.

It strikes me as if they are couching psychic phenomena and writing out on documents that it is actually something conventional. Maybe to throw off people from what would otherwise be a pretty straight forward psychic phenomena.


Regarding the inaudible sound, I think our subconscious could be aware of more than our conscious. So it may be that when the subconsciousness experiences this frequency it activates the suggestion. So maybe when they are hypnotized they say "when you hear this sound (play sound) you will X" and the subconsciousness experiences the sound and makes a note of the suggestion. I guess it all depends on whether the subconsciousness is aware of things beyond the audible range. Maybe, but in the ET side of things, they just use telepathic suggestion.

If I were to interfere with your internals, to the point where I can stimulate any feature your mind can create as an extension of me, it would not be very hard.

For example, if I were to state the sky is green, you automatically know as you read this, that isn't the case, because you have memories that tell you that isn't the case. You go through a small process of evaluating the statement, sensations emerge, it feel incorrect, and you mind chimes in on why "the sky isn't green".

But if I were an ET, in control of your insides, I could practically compel you to believe otherwise. Instead of the reactive attributes described above...where a healthy mental reaction occurs. I could tamper with your insides to suppress those sensations and thought processes that say otherwise. Anytime you attempt to think otherwise, I could stimulate your mental aspects to produce positive sensations...even that "knowing" feeling that comes from deep in your mind when you feel certain about something.

As you struggle to self-correct and remain consistent, I could add false memories as content and run you through them until you distinctly recall that is the case.

After a while you mind will begin to probably malfunction as it is inconsistent with other memories and observations. Selective memory loss is the solution to your problems. Of course, you'd come out unstable as an individual. So a little mental massaging is going to take time until the thought processes line up.

Might even add a little "glue" inside your mind so that it cycles again and again like a subconscious routine any time it comes up with a contradiction against the sky is green. (A trick used by ET's, forgot what researchers call it at the moment)

If you need a reason, then I'd give you one. It can even be made logical sounding (to you at least). During the process you wouldn't be in control of the processes and sensations building in your own mind. If anything, the moment you fully appreciate the experience is the moment your open to different kinds of disinformation.

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Thats the generalized way to cook a human mind in a bad direction (https://www.google.com/search?q=GiGo).

Think about how entirely dependent you are on experiencing your thoughts and the associated sensations. If someone else stands inside of you with deep control over everything that you are, you have to wonder how long you can continue to function.

And keep in mind we are only really talking about lower-loop functions. (Your mental side, that canvas that you think with.)

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And if you think that I am exaggerating on what ETs can do....

Well just think of losing control over the insides of yourself when caught in such a grasp.

I have heard members tell me before that they seem to forget entire topics from time to time. <Cough>
Heck, so have I from time to time.

Lets hope the CIA didn't take a page out of the ET booklet and are still microwaving remote corners of the earth on some unsuspecting citizen.
Sorry if this post is very sloppy. I am too lazy to clean it up right now.

Fore
03-23-2016, 12:21 PM
Some of the research into these frequencies for mind control may have come from UFO's themselves. According the UK files (http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20121026065214/http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/FreedomOfInformation/PublicationScheme/SearchPublicationScheme/UapInTheUkAirDefenceRegionVolume2.htm) the "UAP"s broadcast non ionizing radiation (anything from the AM band to cell frequencies.)
They believe they are using some frequencies to disable vehicles which does make sense. Back in the analog tv days faulty spark plugs would interfere with certain television channels. It would cause the signal to snow up in a beat pattern when a truck or car with bad plugs would drive by. They also believed that this same radiation was being used to paralyze people "One explanation is that either constant or pulsed microwave, coupling into the nervous system may cause this affect. Pulsed interference with the human system is possible because of the 500 milliseconds muscle relaxation delay. " (vol 2a page E1) iirc there is also something in there about using non ionizing radiation to cause "missing time". So like some kind of blanket ECM? (Electromagnetic Counter Measure)

(UAP = Unidentified Ariel Phenomena?)

I dunno, maybe. I currently think along the lines that when they do disable vehicles (it is probably) one of two ways. Psychically, by changing the characteristics of the properties of influence in a given area. (Bodies are probably going to be less affected by those unspecific methods)

Or they probably do what they probably could do pretty easily. Extend the phasing field around the UFO and cause some kind of timing issue. I know they have a specific trick, I just don't know what the specifics are. So it is all a guess.

Though I can tell you (again) first hand, that I have witnessed them turn off electronics in a car "at will". Even stopping a running engine.

So have I after some practice runs. It just takes a large influence field and some mental directions and some ESP targeting.
Some people honk while you are crossing the street so I turned off their car using the psychic method while it was at the intersection at the red light. (Years ago, when I was still active)

It is surprisingly easier than you'd imagine.

Same thing with larger vehicles, it takes some practicing, but not much compared to other tougher talents. The size of the engine doesn't seem to matter as long as your psychic field can control it and the ESP can track it. (the vehicle)

The ET only warned me not to do it when a vehicle is in motion and not to make it obvious.

You can even sustain it and program it to dissipate "at will".

Sansanoy
03-23-2016, 12:40 PM
That is terrifying amount of control. Do they have any control over the most base and raw aspects of your being? The parts of you that overcome rationalization such as when someone rescues a victim at great risk to ones own life because "thats the kind of person they are"?

Kind of a weird side question, but in your psychic work did you ever do anything that gave you goosbumps? Not the creeps just plain and simple goosebumps on your skin with a feeling like non harmful fire around your body?

Fore
03-23-2016, 07:16 PM
That is terrifying amount of control. Not sure why you are surprised though. I thought you read my thread from the beginning?


Do they have any control over the most base and raw aspects of your being? The parts of you that overcome rationalization such as when someone rescues a victim at great risk to ones own life because "thats the kind of person they are"?

You are asking a complex question.

If you really want to know, the question you should have asked is if they can control the higher mind. (The impulse or emergent properties of your soul/spirit that manifests itself in your mind.)

The answer is a mix of yes and no.

If you want to know whether they can take full control and do that with the lower mind (the mental aspects you are aware of and even the subprocesses) then the answer is yes. But...it depends on technique and method.

One of the limitations of the psychic ET in general is that they require proximity to do it in-depth. While from far away they can induce thoughts and emotions as long as they are close or have marked someone. Now I say that and you and everyone reading that is going to think alot of things. Most of them probably as a matter of relief, but that would be deceptive to the actual truth.

I'll explain why in the next post. I need to put it in a more down to earth way so that anyone watching gets a strong sense of the reality and not what "they think" I mean by that.


Kind of a weird side question, but in your psychic work did you ever do anything that gave you goosbumps? Not the creeps just plain and simple goosebumps on your skin with a feeling like non harmful fire around your body?Keep in mind I don't do anything against any members. So there is no psychic work. I would say it is psychic experience as the ET's test you to see if you can perform the tasks at every stage of experiments.

Then, they tell you not to do anything and keep a watch over you to make sure you don't act out. So everything I learned is by necessity "shelved" and/or barely used.

For example, if I did have real liberty and was still performing psychic tasks then it would only require one talent (out of dozens) to make it very obvious and I wouldn't need to say very much to convince others.

Talking about, but not showing, is the way the ET keep the peace. There is room for doubt and naysayers and all else in the absence of proof. Also you aren't allowed to say plenty of things or allude to specifics and if they don't censor you, then you auto-censor most things you know will not be taken kindly.

Fore
03-23-2016, 07:58 PM
Okay, for example,

The lower mind (the mental aspects) can be manipulated from far away. Not very hard and some of it is not direct manipulation like a human being would normally assume.

For example, if I use(d) just pre-cognitive psychic features normally found in ET's as my main method and mental scans as my supporting method. I can easily know a whole lot of relevant information about everyone and what kinds of thought processes they think with.

If I know what is roughly happening inside your mind as it happens, and before it even happens in real time, I can condense "you" into a profile. It's not 100% accurate, but it is sufficiently detailed to give me an accurate peek into how you behave and what your mental status is.

Using that information you can demote certain phrasing, and promote other kinds of phrasing, and you can customize the experience. (similar to how ET's manipulate a person during contact scenarios)

Condensing someones modality (https://www.google.com/search?q=modality) to a mental profile is also a way to assure that you answer questions in the right order. Or avoid questions before they were even asked.

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It depends on who is behind the wheel. If you are a manipulative ET, you'll use it to confuse and dis-inform. Saying what is right for the moment to get the right reaction.

If it is me, using a text medium as the communicative method, it allows you to know what is coming around the corner in topics and question and pre-answering a range of questions and shifting probabilities in your favor.

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If you want to know just what a phone call can do, (and please don't take it the wrong way), the moment you pickup the phone and a few words are exchanged, the other person on the line is "sensed" and that sensation is a form of a psychic targeting procedure.

At the point that you can sense the other person, you have some influence or access within that person. My field interfaces with yours and I sense information traversing your insides.

Though if you aren't careful, my thoughts passing through my field, can color your insides (your field and my fragment in your field) and end up skewing your thought processes. Even from just a call.

If you were a CIA lab rat, and I wanted to trigger a series of preconditioned behaviors, you'd see that it would be pretty easy to trigger then "inaudioably". <hint hint>

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So to what extent can your lower features (your consciousness and body) be affected?

First off, I'd like to point out I am curious as a person, but not malicious. And I don't do nor enable any of those features anymore. If I were malicious I wouldn't tell you, and yes, the blow back will come to me for pointing it out. I also do not do these things, I simply have been informed and am well versed about the topics and applications.

At a significant distance, you can probably change your rhythms relating to your mood and level of rational behavior.
Change the mental topics,
Substitute lines of thought,
Cause mental interference, (induce "light" memory loss)
Promote certain lines of thought and suppress others, (Passively as in fully psychic methods)

See data that is/was created in "immaterial memory",
Observe specific spatial relationships as mentally coded information,
See third party influence patterns in close proximity, (Wife, boss, children, etc)
Pick up pre-cognitive routes of that individuals activity, seconds, days or months.

etc etc.

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If you move on to immediately in front of the person or nearby (within 300 meters lets say), the range of effects increase, until you can even remotely induce physical sensations in a persons body against their will. Making them experience any emotion and mental thought process or even create structured illusions.

Even up to inducing physical paralysis, or playing elaborate memories "through" them for them to experience. (note: requires the person to know about anatomy and different operational states found inside a human being.

You can even curb the entire consciousness and knock them out without laying a finger on them.

You can make them see (visually) or hear things that are very body based. Though that is complex.

You can also manipulate a persons experience of themselves and/or even make them forget (many ways) entire periods of time.

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In other words, just about anything.

Fore
03-23-2016, 08:04 PM
If you interface with someone through their higher loop (their higher mind level).

Then you can introduce thought processes without them (normally) realizing it. So you can have them process entire thought chains "At will".

Distance isn't as much a problem at this level.

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You can also make them learn things without having taught them anything. Sort of like an upload. The information trickles down until it is accessed. After each access, the person integrates the information into their organic features.

Mostly this level is for tinkering and creating long distance communication. ET's can only seemingly do so much at this level. I am short on details as of the time of this writing. Drawing blanks actually...hmm

Sansanoy
03-23-2016, 09:06 PM
Not sure why you are surprised though. I thought you read my thread from the beginning?

I wish I could but for some reason I can't with you, not with you in the present anyway. For me the present modalities of a person gets recorded into the words they type or even the sounds they make, a cough, a scuffing of the feet everything seems to have that modality recorded into it. I can't see them presently through it, just their modality at the time it was recorded. For me it's kind of like how people naturally understand the emotion displayed in a dogs whimper without being a dog, you just experience it in your mind. Depending on the person and context it can actually be painful if I push deep enough into the words.

Whats weird is when I read your old stuff your modality seems very smooth and normal but when I read you currently it's like your modality is too complex for me to understand, or maybe it changes to fast. Also when I read the old stuff your words just sink into my consciousness easily but when I read the new stuff it's like there is a layer of obfuscation there and I have to try really hard to pierce it otherwise I will read an entire post and have no recollection of what I just read. I know you said your trying to be vague but it's not just that, it's like there is a film over it obfuscating it. I don't know, it may just be all this darn pollen in the air. I swear my sinuses are swelling into my brain. I'm basically going of my gut instincts without any deep thought to it to cope. Does any of that seem right?

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What you said about the phone and accessing a person is something I have experienced. I had just made the decision to drive to the next city over to pick up a game and while my thoughts were swirling over the directions my mind blinked, my prior thoughts disappeared and I said to myself "Garrets calling me" in a startled tone. I looked at my cell phone, no missed call so I drove on to pick my game. When I got home my parents said "Garret called you" I asked what time and it was the same time I sensed the call. It's like when he picked up the phone and chose to call me he locked on to me and I knew it.

I have experienced the mixed mind thing before. I seem to be extra susceptible to that as I tend to easily and quickly pick up the rabbits (lol habbits, darn pollen) and mannerisms of those around me. Sometimes even drinking coffee at the exact same time repeatedly, which is really awkward. It's like being a mental sponge that just soaks stuff up unconsciously.

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I consider you psychic because you know what you're doing but for me I don't really know what I'm doing. I have instincts of things that are possible that I just can't do. Like someone who was born paralyzed, never seen someone walk or even know what walking is, and has weird first instincts to walk when they need to move but can only be confused by the instinct because they can't walk. I have had instincts to control a situation in my favor when someone was thinking. In my mind I consider it a real possibility to manipulate their mind, but I think it's immoral and won't even try. But I feel like those first primal instincts represent things that are possible... for someone at least, maybe not me but someone. Some of them I have tried and they work, like precognition (haven't had that in a year though) and locating someone I liked a lot. But for a lot of things, like the fire/goosebumps thing and others it's like a machine that is missing the last gear down the line. It spins but it doesn't operate. So I guess it's like learning that it actually is true, instead of just suspecting it's true, and that is whats scary about it.

Sansanoy
03-23-2016, 10:16 PM
Oh, I don't know if it makes any interesting difference but I could not read abo in part 1. Well not correctly anyway. Everything seemed normal at first but as I was laying down thinking about what I read something just opened up in my perception and I felt like everything was being said twice. Like two people were speaking simultaneously, his caretaker and him both. It seemed clear from then on but I never would have noticed otherwise. It seemed to be just chance happenstance that that came through and I saw him differently rather than what was on the surface. I don't see you speaking for two or anything so don't worry about that, I just mentioned it because he had a "current" caretaker at the time, in his case a very evil one that I recognize from some things I have read about.

Fore
03-24-2016, 02:55 AM
I wish I could but for some reason I can't with you, not with you in the present anyway. For me the present modalities of a person gets recorded into the words they type or even the sounds they make, a cough, a scuffing of the feet everything seems to have that modality recorded into it. I can't see them presently through it, just their modality at the time it was recorded. For me it's kind of like how people naturally understand the emotion displayed in a dogs whimper without being a dog, you just experience it in your mind. Depending on the person and context it can actually be painful if I push deep enough into the words.

Whats weird is when I read your old stuff your modality seems very smooth and normal but when I read you currently it's like your modality is too complex for me to understand, or maybe it changes to fast. I am obviously without any of the psychic talent. It's not "off" like a normal person would understand the word "off". I just simply keep it under wraps and control.

Like one day deciding you won't ever use your left arm ever again, and just keeping it still for the rest of your life. The arm itself (that analog for a psychic extension) is still there, I just simply won't use it again.

It also means I have gotten dimmer and less able. I can't assess people the same way anymore and I don't see more than any other person. So all those adaptations are just disabled by intention. So all I see now is just text on the screen. Just whatever is obvious in front of me and around me. The rest of it is as close to silent as I can manage.

Sometimes it leaks but I plug it up as best as I can. That why I stay away from anything relating to psychic activity. Even an ET contacting me to warn me about what I said, is enough to turn things on again. Which makes it a struggle to keep things under control and various psychic extensions as inert as possible.

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At first I felt like a different kind of blindness. (psychic blindness)
Probably because my organic mind was already well adapted to the extra range of inputs.
It took a while for the blindness sensation to fade away into a more normal nothingness.

Now I feel fine.
Actually alot happier and more at peace.
I am actually trying to completely forget the past and everything that happened.
It is already fading and I am forgetting more and more as I let it all go.
I rarely even think about the advisor anymore.
It doesn't seem to have a place in my life anymore anyway.

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Back then, all my accounts were based on what I psychically noticed in the audience. So it was custom designed for them.
Now I am just writing in the best way I know how with alot less information and insight. I still make plenty of grammar mistakes, that for sure.




Also when I read the old stuff your words just sink into my consciousness easily but when I read the new stuff it's like there is a layer of obfuscation there and I have to try really hard to pierce it otherwise I will read an entire post and have no recollection of what I just read. Oh that is... :)



I know you said your trying to be vague but it's not just that, it's like there is a film over it obfuscating it. I don't know, it may just be all this darn pollen in the air. I swear my sinuses are swelling into my brain. I'm basically going of my gut instincts without any deep thought to it to cope. Does any of that seem right? No, you are not the first to experience that.

There was this annoying time when I would read posts and come away with a completely different context than what was actually written.

Slight mind tricks from an ET Jedi-wannabe I am sure.

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I recommend you try prayer before a reading session and asking for God to defend your mind from any outside interference. As silly as that might sound, it may actually just work.

You may even find yourself reading the same posts back to yourself and notice an entirely different context that was seemingly lost before hand.

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Try to be objective though, I understand that people may not be used to psychic affairs, so it helps to triple check everything you do including how you think and express things in your own mind and commit them to e-paper. You might just notice a hidden hand at certain times with uncanny, consistent behaviors.

And if you start having headaches, you may also want to pray about it and see if the effects are deflected.

P.S. Also watch for electrical fluctuations in your home and radio as I mentioned before, when a psychic exerts a significant influence field, they tend to create "structured noise" in the EM spectrum and physics of an environment.

Sansanoy
03-24-2016, 02:27 PM
My head feels better today and everything you're saying seems smooth and normal again. It might have been the pollen, or simply having to be vague because of those things.

Yeah I think not using it is best. I think a lot of times being psychic is really a lack of natural defense that can also be used for advantage. I know for a fact that right now I am not qualified as a human being to have the ability to do some of the things that can be done. The only one who should have power has it and I'm satisfied with that. Weakness is beautiful in it's own right. I pray every morning about those things, giving it to God to use in me as he sees fit or remove it entirely. Other than the weird instincts the only thing that remains is reading things and that fire thing. So I assume those are from Him which is a lot safer. I'm actually able to use the reading to prepare to teach people about God so that is a plus but the fire thing just doesn't do anything ostensibly. God spoke to me about it once through another person who was reluctant to come up to a complete stranger and say the whole "I know this is weird but God has been asking me to tell you this" thing. But nothing about what to do with it, so I just pray He will teach me.

You know, besides politicians people don't generally build things for no purpose. For example we build rockets to enter space or for defense, we build wells because we want water. No one builds anything without a reason. So lets say we dig up an ancient city and found massive walls around the city loaded with every sort of defensive and offensive measures we would assume that the city had a powerful enemy, or at least were very paranoid. We would never think that these builders would do this without a cause. So here in us, we have these giant battlements, what the heck is the cause? Like that city if I base what is coming on what is in us how terrifying is what is coming. It's like something is just sleeping and one morning you will wake up and the time will have come in which you are purposed. Having no knowledge of this purpose, and silence from God, all you can do is hope you will be a butterfly rather than a moth. Do you ever get the sense of the same thing coming?

epo333
03-30-2016, 11:35 PM
Hey! Where did everybody go???

LOL

Fore
03-31-2016, 07:58 AM
Hey! Where did everybody go???

LOLIf you post "it", they will come. :biggrin2:

Edward
03-31-2016, 08:35 AM
If you post "it", they will come. :biggrin2:


LMFAO , that was priceless :biggrin2::cool:

Edward

Fore
03-31-2016, 08:42 PM
@ Sansanoy (Or anyone else who can add some insight into the topics)

I have a question. You seem pretty well versed in Biblical topics (and hopefully phenomena).

I was wondering something lately because I witnessed a common event after a prayer and made a connection from a long time ago.

The first part is an observation, a long time ago (years prior) I was trying to figure out how the "Holy Spirit" seems to do it's job and all that. Basically, I asked someone else to pray and put into practice an experiment on a hypothesis, that if one were specific enough in the prayer, the resulting effects seemed to be more acute and directed than if you were to simply ask for something less specific and vague.

The experiment basically was about figuring out why some results are more prominent while other results seemed more subdued.
So I instructed the person who was praying to simply put in their mind the idea of what we asked the "Holy Spirit" to do in a prayer.
I asked that they affix mentally the proposal in a visual and spatial format.

What was very curious was that as expected, the effects were very acute and phenomenal. (almost unrealistic if it weren't so)

The aim was a house blessing, but I directed the person who was in prayer to think only of the room they were in up to the front door. Interestingly, the "Holy Spirit" showed up and coalesced into the area and performed the instructions, with the only added instructions to bless any miscellaneous objects or contents within the room.

That was roughly when I first realized that this presence didn't seem to have a beginning or end within my ESP's area of observation, it also didn't seem to have any standard qualities that I expected. It seemed to be like a secondary atmosphere when it coalesced. It's after effects were also similar to all previous times, except it was very pronounced in it's effects. Seemingly, specificity of a prayer seemed to make the situation more effective?

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Anyway, after the experiment the results were very impressive....and very strange. The room and area that was asked to be blessed was characteristically different to that of all other rooms. It was...as best as I can describe it, very clean and light, free of any spiritual presences in the hours afterwards.

What was strange was that the floor took on a very strange characteristic on an ESP level. There was an area of the affected room at ground level, up to your calf, was denser than normal. It felt (very much physically and psychically) like you were walking through water. (?)

It stayed that way in like some kind of "afterglow" for 24 hours. After that, the invisible sensations of a change of density at the calf level of your legs seemed to disappear and the room remained very light.

So I understood, at least, that the Holy Spirit appears to be able to clean an area. And thats when I realized that is what people must mean by "a house blessing". So the Holy Spirit appears to be able to put the spiritual/influence layers of a given area back in order.

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What was a bigger surprise was that it ignored all other areas of my home that were not specified in the instructions. So I took it to mean it is intelligent and must be aware of the environment. Though, I could not classify it as any normal presence I have ever encountered. It feels heavy/dense (in a good way) when it is present in the environment.

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In the days that followed (being completely impressed and mystified at the amazing results) we took turns performing the same style of prayer in distinct rooms and setting the various parameters the same. It was consistent and the results were always the same. Eventually that was the start of living in a comfortable clean environment (spiritual/influence wise).

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Okay, so the point is, a couple of days ago, my chihuahua was having a seizure (which he is prone to due to inbreeding from dog breeders) and I prayed for his health to be restored and a cessation of his seizure. Like always, the Holy Spirit showed up and it condensed around him and he quickly stopped having the seizure. I then had a thought to pray for cleansing of my body/spirit and asked another member if they had anything to add they should do so (health wise).

So they did, which was out of the norm to add more details in such a way. And that is when I noticed the effects intensifying to the same levels as that period of time and again noticed the invisible water feeling around my calfs when I walked. Which made me realize that if it is present you can ask for more things in prayer.

Hmm, so if it is an intense effect, it causes that wading through water feeling. (?)

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Then I had another question, why do some prayers require 3 or 4 sessions for the intended criteria being discussed; to be resolved?
Why are some things addressed acutely and other addressed over time?
What makes certain events more poignant in their effects and others somewhat more subdued?

I also wonder why the Holy Spirit (back in Biblical events) act in moments notice, and then in others with more subdued fixes?

I am not complaining in any sense of the word, but I am very curious as to what the (missing) factor is. I also wanted to know if other people have noticed something like what I described in my experience? I wonder if that kind of thing is common or if I am the abnormal one on this side of the world?

Edward
03-31-2016, 11:25 PM
@ Sansanoy (Or anyone else who can add some insight into the topics)

I have a question. You seem pretty well versed in Biblical topics (and hopefully phenomena).

I was wondering something lately because I witnessed a common event after a prayer and made a connection from a long time ago.

The first part is an observation, a long time ago (years prior) I was trying to figure out how the "Holy Spirit" seems to do it's job and all that. Basically, I asked someone else to pray and put into practice an experiment on a hypothesis, that if one were specific enough in the prayer, the resulting effects seemed to be more acute and directed than if you were to simply ask for something less specific and vague.

The experiment basically was about figuring out why some results are more prominent while other results seemed more subdued.
So I instructed the person who was praying to simply put in their mind the idea of what we asked the "Holy Spirit" to do in a prayer.
I asked that they affix mentally the proposal in a visual and spatial format.

What was very curious was that as expected, the effects were very acute and phenomenal. (almost unrealistic if it weren't so)

The aim was a house blessing, but I directed the person who was in prayer to think only of the room they were in up to the front door. Interestingly, the "Holy Spirit" showed up and coalesced into the area and performed the instructions, with the only added instructions to bless any miscellaneous objects or contents within the room.

That was roughly when I first realized that this presence didn't seem to have a beginning or end within my ESP's area of observation, it also didn't seem to have any standard qualities that I expected. It seemed to be like a secondary atmosphere when it coalesced. It's after effects were also similar to all previous times, except it was very pronounced in it's effects. Seemingly, specificity of a prayer seemed to make the situation more effective?

---------

Anyway, after the experiment the results were very impressive....and very strange. The room and area that was asked to be blessed was characteristically different to that of all other rooms. It was...as best as I can describe it, very clean and light, free of any spiritual presences in the hours afterwards.

What was strange was that the floor took on a very strange characteristic on an ESP level. There was an area of the affected room at ground level, up to your calf, was denser than normal. It felt (very much physically and psychically) like you were walking through water. (?)

It stayed that way in like some kind of "afterglow" for 24 hours. After that, the invisible sensations of a change of density at the calf level of your legs seemed to disappear and the room remained very light.

So I understood, at least, that the Holy Spirit appears to be able to clean an area. And thats when I realized that is what people must mean by "a house blessing". So the Holy Spirit appears to be able to put the spiritual/influence layers of a given area back in order.

--------

What was a bigger surprise was that it ignored all other areas of my home that were not specified in the instructions. So I took it to mean it is intelligent and must be aware of the environment. Though, I could not classify it as any normal presence I have ever encountered. It feels heavy/dense (in a good way) when it is present in the environment.

--------

In the days that followed (being completely impressed and mystified at the amazing results) we took turns performing the same style of prayer in distinct rooms and setting the various parameters the same. It was consistent and the results were always the same. Eventually that was the start of living in a comfortable clean environment (spiritual/influence wise).

==============


Okay, so the point is, a couple of days ago, my chihuahua was having a seizure (which he is prone to due to inbreeding from dog breeders) and I prayed for his health to be restored and a cessation of his seizure. Like always, the Holy Spirit showed up and it condensed around him and he quickly stopped having the seizure. I then had a thought to pray for cleansing of my body/spirit and asked another member if they had anything to add they should do so (health wise).

So they did, which was out of the norm to add more details in such a way. And that is when I noticed the effects intensifying to the same levels as that period of time and again noticed the invisible water feeling around my calfs when I walked. Which made me realize that if it is present you can ask for more things in prayer.

Hmm, so if it is an intense effect, it causes that wading through water feeling. (?)

--------------------------

Then I had another question, why do some prayers require 3 or 4 sessions for the intended criteria being discussed; to be resolved?
Why are some things addressed acutely and other addressed over time?
What makes certain events more poignant in their effects and others somewhat more subdued?

I also wonder why the Holy Spirit (back in Biblical events) act in moments notice, and then in others with more subdued fixes?

I am not complaining in any sense of the word, but I am very curious as to what the (missing) factor is. I also wanted to know if other people have noticed something like what I described in my experience? I wonder if that kind of thing is common or if I am the abnormal one on this side of the world?

I don't proclaim to know it all. But as I read this you answer some of your very questions but you want to hear it from someone else. We all seek validation to some extent. Its a part of us until we no longer seek, then we'll just know.

With that said. It has to do in part with consciousness. It's a powerful tool, the visualization, the focus, the detail. It all plays a factor. Coming from the heart, your true self and letting go of how things should happen and just let it happen. You could be creating all of it, you could be summoning an already existing spirit, entity or life form. So why do things happen differently for other people ? I am not sure. I'd like to find out though.

Edward

Fore
03-31-2016, 11:42 PM
I don't proclaim to know it all. But as I read this you answer some of your very questions but you want to hear it from someone else. We all seek validation to some extent. Its a part of us until we no longer seek, then we'll just know.

With that said. It has to do in part with consciousness. It's a powerful tool, the visualization, the focus, the detail. It all plays a factor. Coming from the heart, your true self and letting go of how things should happen and just let it happen. You could be creating all of it, you could be summoning an already existing spirit, entity or life form. So why do things happen differently for other people ? I am not sure. I'd like to find out though.

Edward

I am not sure that the answers "I think I have" are the actual correct ones. I want more inputs from anybody who knows anything about this phenomena.

I think it may have to do with specificity, but, that doesn't really convince me as a full on answer. I am really unsure what the [real] factor is. (Popped into my mind the word "Faith")

I think there has to be something that "I sense" I am overlooking OR something I do have that I don't "see" and identify correctly.

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In other words, I see a correlation with specificity, but that doesn't strike me as the full story. I doubt it could just be that. (Or maybe I am hoping that isn't the whole and sum of it)

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For example, if you step into my mind, you'll see a hanging question. A question that hangs on without a good answer.

If/since the Holy Spirit in the past can heal people in a moment or do fantastic and amazing things like that, why does it sometimes seem like it is less potent in some circumstances than others? What is the factor? Why do some things get done in 3 or 30 sessions while other things in the past were done extremely quickly.

I assure you that it's a question I have been asking myself for quite a while after testing different things. I don't think "specificity" covers as the answer. It ("specificity" as a factor) seems to make things more effective, but doesn't quite round out the answer.

I don't know why sometimes it is a phenomenal performance (from my perspective at least) and other times it is a more drawn out performance.

Fore
03-31-2016, 11:51 PM
For example, I know for certain "it" ("Holy Spirit") is the same as it always has the same characteristics.

And considering my background, I know those types of things are entirely possible and doesn't seem to stretch the imagination at all. (Though in all honestly, I am still impressed every time)

So does knowing something or some phenomena is real from directly observing it in any way differ from someone who just assumes it is the case?

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I guess the secondary question is does everyone have that kind of experience when they call out to the Holy Spirit/God etc?

What makes some scenarios play out in the immediate and others on a more protracted period of time?

Edward
04-01-2016, 01:05 AM
I am not sure that the answers "I think I have" are the actual correct ones. I want more inputs from anybody who knows anything about this phenomena.

I think it may have to do with specificity, but, that doesn't really convince me as a full on answer. I am really unsure what the [real] factor is. (Popped into my mind the word "Faith")

I think there has to be something that "I sense" I am overlooking OR something I do have that I don't "see" and identify correctly.

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In other words, I see a correlation with specificity, but that doesn't strike me as the full story. I doubt it could just be that. (Or maybe I am hoping that isn't the whole and sum of it)

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For example, if you step into my mind, you'll see a hanging question. A question that hangs on without a good answer.

If/since the Holy Spirit in the past can heal people in a moment or do fantastic and amazing things like that, why does it sometimes seem like it is less potent in some circumstances than others? What is the factor? Why do some things get done in 3 or 30 sessions while other things in the past were done extremely quickly.

I assure you that it's a question I have been asking myself for quite a while after testing different things. I don't think "specificity" covers as the answer. It ("specificity" as a factor) seems to make things more effective, but doesn't quite round out the answer.

I don't know why sometimes it is a phenomenal performance (from my perspective at least) and other times it is a more drawn out performance.


All good questions, I don't know but I would like to help keep the conversation going by bringing up ideas that could help one , one way or another but in the end the experience is subjective to the individual. Why? There has to be a lot of factors, and we may only know of some of them but stumble on the complete picture. Such as life and the other great mysteries and why do they have to be such? A mystery, there has to be a purpose, a reason? Yes?

Edward

Edward
04-01-2016, 01:12 AM
For example, I know for certain "it" ("Holy Spirit") is the same as it always has the same characteristics.

And considering my background, I know those types of things are entirely possible and doesn't seem to stretch the imagination at all. (Though in all honestly, I am still impressed every time)

So does knowing something or some phenomena is real from directly observing it in any way differ from someone who just assumes it is the case?

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I guess the secondary question is does everyone have that kind of experience when they call out to the Holy Spirit/God etc?

What makes some scenarios play out in the immediate and others on a more protracted period of time?


Yes. There is the faith of knowing/feeling something is true/right/real and it's something you can't explain but know it's there.

Then there is the observational effect where your intellect/ego-mind knows and mentally you can frame an event, a situation and how that can fit, work or be able to happen in a more structured way.



"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"



Edward

L-W
04-01-2016, 01:51 AM
I apologize if you think the last question is inapropiate, Fore.

Did the Advisor ever relate to you as a contrast to her gender being female and you male?

Was there a reason they picked a female for being your handler?

Did she ever have spontaneous sexual thoughts about you, that not necessarily meant much?

pontificator
04-01-2016, 05:14 AM
An aside, I'm currently carefully reading this: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesmatkinson
It's rather interesting, and when I find things interesting there is usually something more to it; the disclosure and description of several highly classified compartmentalized programs aside.

Fore
04-01-2016, 05:18 AM
I apologize if you think the last question is inapropiate, Fore. (?) Not sure what you mean?


Did the Advisor ever relate to you as a contrast to her gender being female and you male? Not sure what the question means. I assume you are asking if she made it obvious that she was female? She is/was female for sure.

Though, I am unsure of certain aspects of her being because having taken a peek I saw things that were in-congruent for something like a human-esque being.



Was there a reason they picked a female for being your handler? There was lots of mentions from different ET as to why. Everything from she was the closest individual, to different mentions that I tended to trust females more than males. (lots of different people made very different observations across the years.)

Her own group said that she was elected out of three members at different times.
The Grey Males said they opted to let her "handle me" since they said she had more credibility in my mind.
etc. etc.


Did she ever have spontaneous sexual thoughts about you, that not necessarily meant much?No and yes. Different ET's were in the background urging her to do things I wasn't particularly aware of back then and can only see in hindsight. So I don't want to talk about it.

All I will say is that she is feminine by a fair bit.
I learned from my interactions with her on how to relate to other females to a very good degree. (at least that is a good thing)
But the overall relationship wasn't typical.

Being telepathically connected for prolonged periods of times under a state of observation seems to create issues all in their own.
I have learned over the years since then that to be natural with others, you have to think of yourself on some level as being the same.
Hard to do when a good portion of your day is experiments and being a lab rat.
The experiences that make us human seems to be all about running through the concourse of life.

Any one or anything that gets in-between that normalcy that defines ones life cannot be a good thing. (IMO)

I think regular human beings learn from each other while growing up and identify with normalcy.
I think the organic features have to be subjected to the right kind of experiences for the right kind of developments to set in.
When you add elements (psychic phenomena or beings) who aren't the typical set of reference for a human being, the results are deeply skewed.

I also now understand that you cannot tamper with the template that is a human being otherwise you might create compatibility issues.

I think on the topic of feminism, I think for a good period of time I became comfortable/captive to a particular "Advisor".
Even if I don't want to think about it that way. I think in retrospect she very well knew what she was doing and what it meant.
I call up memories and realize I was there but didn't really realize what the signs meant.
I know for certain she was conflicted and somewhere deep down she is a decent (but not perfect) person.

I can't imagine her situation despite her telling me alot about it and bemoaning things.

I can also imagine if she hadn't done what she did, I would have been far worse off. She could have done much worse but didn't. For that much and other things I forgive her. I recognize she had a conflicted conscience even if back then I saw it, but didn't recognize what her expressions really meant.

If anything, I hope one day God liberates her from these beings. At least giving her some well deserved rest from the troubled situation she is embroiled in. If anything, it serves as a lesson that there are no perfect people down here. And that true evil comes from one who willfully wants to be. I think in different circumstances I wouldn't mind taking her out to a picnic as she once had in mind.

At the very least I have empathy and realize that many of the children who are being put through these ET programs are not evil but products of their landscape and the people molding that landscape.

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All I can say is, now I know better.
I also give thanks to God because through Him I have been able to mend things in my heart and mind (and even body/influence).
Things I didn't think were possible are now a reality. A miracle all on it's own in my book.

I am still a patient in the intensive care unit of God, but someday I will completely catch up to recover everything I once lost.

Sansanoy
04-01-2016, 04:40 PM
I think there may be two ways in which a prayer is answered. Either by the Holy Spirit or by the Angels.

In the case of Angels the Angel in charge of fulfilling Gods request can be resisted and withheld. An account of this can be seen in Daniel 10, where Daniel had been praying for 3 weeks even though the angel was dispatched immediately. When the Angel finally arrived to Daniel he said "Don’t be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day you began to pray for understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your request has been heard in heaven. I have come in answer to your prayer. 13 But for twenty-one days the spirit prince[c] of the kingdom of Persia blocked my way. Then Michael, one of the archangels,[d] came to help me, and I left him there with the spirit prince of the kingdom of Persia." The "spirit prince of the Kingdom of Persia" are the Angels that were given charge of the nations after the Tower of Babel (Deuteronomy32:8). At least most of them, if not all of them are not in good standing with God (Psalm 82).

In the case of the Holy Spirit I think something different occurs. The Holy Spirit cannot be resisted or withheld, however we can. I think the factor here is what Jesus refers to as Faith. I think the best explanation of Faith comes from the example of Peter walking on water. It wasn't faith in Jesus's power, or faith that Jesus had power, it was more faith in Jesus's character and trustworthiness when He said "Come". "Then Peter called to him, “Lord, if it’s really you, tell me to come to you, walking on the water.” “Yes, come,” Jesus said. When Peter saw the waves growing he began to lose "trust" not power and so he began to sink. It was fine for him to trust Jesus on calm water, but his trust wavered when he saw that the sea was rough. So I think the root of this type of prayer is trust.

I think the effects of general and specific prayers are indicators of something deeper. I think a specific prayer would have far more personal intensity than a general prayer. For example lets say I'm bogged down in Bills. If I pray "Lord I need more money" then there won't be much intensity, however if I look through the books and realize I need a specific amount I can pray with far more intensity over that specific number than simply more money. Outside of prayer it is also the case that a person who realized the specific amount they need is far more serious about the matter than the person who just knows they need more money. A specific seems to occupy more of your focus and I think the reality may be focus, intensity, and actual need. To take the example further if we could we should all pray for God to cleanse the whole world rather than just a room, but it is the case that mentally the room is more dire, pressing and immediately necessary to us personally, but we don't or can't quite perceive the whole world with that level of intensity. Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed could move a mountain, but I think the mountain will never move unless there is a good reason for it to not be in that location. I think that reason must exist intensely in our minds and then we act on trust in God to get us through. In the same way that Moses acted on trust to get the Israelites across the sea. The sea was just another mountain. So it's not a matter of acquiring power from God as Simon Magus would have thought but stepping out of the way and putting Him into control.

There seems to be some hidden law of permissions and authority as well. Certain actions give one side or the other permissions of authority in which they can act. In some way that room was given permission to be haunted. In one sense you were praying for their authority over that room to be removed. I think the same sort of thing occurs with alien abduction either through personally seeking it, acquired permissions through past generations, and I think there are also genetic permissions that make someone simply vulnerable to it despite their will.

I have never experienced the walking in water, however I do notice that when I burn with that fire thing it is always in the upward direction, like a candle flame. It doesn't occur in my feet upward but the base of it is either at the torso or at greatest the base of the flame grows into the thighs. Is there any chance it is your upper body that is being affected giving you the impression that your feet are being affected?

whoknows
04-01-2016, 07:30 PM
I think we need to be careful not to concertize those things that are symbolic of those things for which there isn't even a language to describe or understand. Not that we shouldn't or can't discuss these things. Is that where faith comes in?

That glass darkly... Things that seem to have such depth to me, at one moment, I think I know with clarity, while in the next moment my knowing is so feeble and so incomplete that it really makes me laugh out loud.

It amazes me how fluid we seem to need to be. I do need to caution here that from my perspective we need a thread to anchor us... Sorry that I am repetitive on this but, it is love!



When the white eagle of the North is flying overhead
And the browns, reds and golds of autumn lie in the gutter, dead
Remember then the summer birds with wings of fire flame
Come to witness springs new hope, born of leaves decaying

And as new life will come from death, love will come at leisure
Love of love, love of life and giving without measure
Gives in return a wondrous yearn for promise, almost seen
Live hand in hand and together we'll stand, on the threshold of a dream

Moody Blues - The Dream


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1IkAyT_R2w

Fore
04-01-2016, 07:44 PM
I think there may be two ways in which a prayer is answered. Either by the Holy Spirit or by the Angels.

In the case of Angels the Angel in charge of fulfilling Gods request can be resisted and withheld.
I noticed this as well.

Even though some of the Angels are so strong, you'd think they couldn't be resisted for very long. Even though the malevolent types always used to describe Angels as having an unyielding grip. I have noticed that when they confront each other the malevolent entity is always the one who is weakened significantly after the struggle. (a good thing)

Yet sometimes it takes Angels hours to wear down a negative entity. I noticed they sometimes call on each other to take (I guess you could say) an entity into "custody".

Though when it is the "Holy Spirit" it seems that if a malevolent entity is still around and the Holy Spirit comes into contact with it, it responds with extreme pain/agony. Only the extremely stupid among those entities stay around long enough for that to happen. The average malevolent entity gives off mental signals/signs of being in some sort of fire.

When I had the opportunity to look over their memories the many different types have memories of Angels being a presence that debilitates them. Paralysis in their presence, or indescribable terror (on an inhuman level) of being sent back into some place where it is black and full of some kind of terror(s).

Others memories describe the Holy Spirit as some kind of ~light~ or ~moving fire~ but I don't really recall any characteristics like that when it touches me. If anything it feels like an invisible pressure and weight, on skin it feels like invisible water. Influence wise, it feels pretty good.

Though, when I encounter the Holy Spirit I don't sense any fire. So it is probably just them who sees/saw it that way (?).




I think the effects of general and specific prayers are indicators of something deeper. I think a specific prayer would have far more personal intensity than a general prayer. For example lets say I'm bogged down in Bills. If I pray "Lord I need more money" then there won't be much intensity, however if I look through the books and realize I need a specific amount I can pray with far more intensity over that specific number than simply more money. Outside of prayer it is also the case that a person who realized the specific amount they need is far more serious about the matter than the person who just knows they need more money. A specific seems to occupy more of your focus and I think the reality may be focus, intensity, and actual need. To take the example further if we could we should all pray for God to cleanse the whole world rather than just a room, but it is the case that mentally the room is more dire, pressing and immediately necessary to us personally, but we don't or can't quite perceive the whole world with that level of intensity. Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed could move a mountain, but I think the mountain will never move unless there is a good reason for it to not be in that location. I think that reason must exist intensely in our minds and then we act on trust in God to get us through. In the same way that Moses acted on trust to get the Israelites across the sea. The sea was just another mountain. So it's not a matter of acquiring power from God as Simon Magus would have thought but stepping out of the way and putting Him into control. I noticed that too. That putting Him in control always seems to be what is best.

It also seems to be about the FACT (in my view) that oneself is never actually as correct as one imagines they actually are. It seems that surrendering to that FACT seems to be the only way to really see the forest from their trees.

I also noticed that if you pray in groups it is more likely the Holy Spirit will appear than if you pray alone. Or the results are more pronounced.

It is one of the questions I have had for a while and that I hope gets understood. At one time I directed to an Angel that I thought it was that we all had a value of credit or something like that assigned to us. But it discouraged me from thinking like that. It generally stated that I don't understand for now. (shrug)

So back to the drawing board on that idea.


There seems to be some hidden law of permissions and authority as well. Certain actions give one side or the other permissions of authority in which they can act. In some way that room was given permission to be haunted. In one sense you were praying for their authority over that room to be removed. I think the same sort of thing occurs with alien abduction either through personally seeking it, acquired permissions through past generations, and I think there are also genetic permissions that make someone simply vulnerable to it despite their will. Yeah exactly, it seems there are alot of rules that are unsaid (or at least most people don't know pertains to them in some way).

It's almost like different (hidden) factors play a role in a simple Prayer.


I have never experienced the walking in water, however I do notice that when I burn with that fire thing it is always in the upward direction, like a candle flame. It doesn't occur in my feet upward but the base of it is either at the torso or at greatest the base of the flame grows into the thighs. Is there any chance it is your upper body that is being affected giving you the impression that your feet are being affected?You've mentioned that before, what fire are you referring to?

Sansanoy
04-01-2016, 09:40 PM
You've mentioned that before, what fire are you referring to?

There is something that occurs in people that has just begun to gain acknowledgement in the scientific community. A bunch of people on the internet came to a decision to call it ASMR (Autonomous sensory meridian response) for lack of a scientific statement on it. I don't think it's ASMR but it is the closest thing I have heard of other than Hesychasm to it.

It basically feels like the veil of this world begins to draw back around you (invisibly, you feel this) and fire begins to erupt from your chest rising toward your head. The fire moves through every part of your body, even parts that don't feel, like your brain. Your skin develops "goosebumps" as you feel what feels like tongues of fire rising over a foot above and outside your body. It doesn't "burn" you just feel the tongues of fire waveing through your body. If it was visible and you zoomed back you would see something like a candle flame surrounding the body, but if you zoomed in you would see that candle flame is made up of several smaller candle flames at the tips waveing like in the wind. And you feel it waving through your body, inside of it. The flame neither feels cold or hot, in fact it doesn't have a temperature feeling at all. It's also not effected by temperature, as I have stood under really hot water (1/4 cold turn) in the shower when it began and my arms were covered in goosebumps and I did not feel the hot of the water. The same is true in the cold, I do not feel the cold when this is happening.

My consciousness changes some as well. It's like it condenses and becomes more simple, more solid and strong, more resolved, more focused, more white and black about things as if you are no longer confused by grey. It's like bodily awareness retracts without clumsiness while spiritual intent and resolve increases. It also seem like a second feels like 2 seconds.

I can initiate it voluntarily and it can occur involuntarily. When it happens voluntarily it's like I am a strand vibrating and I see another strand vibrating beside me. I touch the strand and begin vibrating in resonance. I first noticed it singing in church. There was a particular hymn verse that resonated with me, and it's like I saw the core essence behind that theme, deep down to it's raw essence where it is founded in God. Like love in it's rawest form, or sacrifice in it's rawest form, so it's not that I'm touching God, but that I am reaching toward God through one of His invisible qualities (Romans 1:20) extended and maintained in this world. When I touch it I change. What ever part of me allows this to happen is also aware of what I am aware of such as when it happens unconsciously. For example I was playing a game with the TV running in the back ground. Some cartoon version of the book "the red wall" was playing but I wasn't paying attention to it, nor have I ever read the book. One of the characters in the movie shouted the word "I AM THAT IS!" and I blew up in fire. That phrase is equivalent to the Tetragrammaton, which I didn't even know at the time. Some part of me beyond my consciousness leaped at that phrase.

To me it seems identical to what is described in Hesychasm. I have read some of the works from early Hesychasts and there are some striking similarities there both to the personality of the Hesychast (natural detachment and distraction from the ostensible world) and the occurrence. While it feels like I can accomplish anything when its happening I in fact accomplish nothing outside of experiencing it. I'm left feeling like there is a gear missing that would bring it to completion that is either temporarily withheld or not understood. Despite it's fire like nature I am hesitant to claim that it is the Holy Spirit as that is such a precious and dangerous thing to claim inside one self, especially me as I am not even close to being a righteous man. But I get the sense that if an evil ET tried to enter my mind through my eyes during that time he would be very very sorry he did, not by me but what is in me at the time. When the fire starts I just get the sense that anything that is near me that is flammable (of evil nature) will begin to burn. When that person said to me "you have this intensity" that is a precise word for the experience. I just wish more of the message he tried to carry to me survived.

Fore
04-02-2016, 09:08 AM
There is something that occurs in people that has just begun to gain acknowledgement in the scientific community. A bunch of people on the internet came to a decision to call it ASMR (Autonomous sensory meridian response) for lack of a scientific statement on it. I don't think it's ASMR but it is the closest thing I have heard of other than Hesychasm to it.

It basically feels like the veil of this world begins to draw back around you (invisibly, you feel this) and fire begins to erupt from your chest rising toward your head. The fire moves through every part of your body, even parts that don't feel, like your brain. Your skin develops "goosebumps" as you feel what feels like tongues of fire rising over a foot above and outside your body. It doesn't "burn" you just feel the tongues of fire waveing through your body. If it was visible and you zoomed back you would see something like a candle flame surrounding the body, but if you zoomed in you would see that candle flame is made up of several smaller candle flames at the tips waveing like in the wind. And you feel it waving through your body, inside of it. The flame neither feels cold or hot, in fact it doesn't have a temperature feeling at all. It's also not effected by temperature, as I have stood under really hot water (1/4 cold turn) in the shower when it began and my arms were covered in goosebumps and I did not feel the hot of the water. The same is true in the cold, I do not feel the cold when this is happening. Almost sounds like something close to a psychic activation.

Where the positive pressure starts to build up and outward. Except it doesn't burn or feel cold or hot or anything like that. At least for me it is just an invisible pressure that presses on your body and you can notice it there (so can anyone else in the room). If you compress it over someones body (like an arm or hand) they tend to experience heat. But that seems to come from their reaction to the influence rather than the influence I emitted. (arteries seem to dilate in the other person)

Or their veins become pretty pronounced and their skin physically feels an invisible pressure on it. Most of the time under a low grade exposure they experience physical pain. Any more intense and they lose sensation in the limb or the limb momentarily loses motor control. If you focus on their head they lose physical sight for a second or two. I think in the few times it has happened it is a momentary loss of cognition, but I am unsure and am unwilling to find out. Dangerous to do and therefore I kept it in mind always to be mindful about the consequences of releasing that much influence into the local environment.

That wavering is pretty much like you mentioned. The potentials and the density of the influence field discharges irregularly sometimes.

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The rest of the paragraphs slightly resemble something I tried to figure out but was never successful. I called it third level control. (Spiritual level manipulation on influence layers)

Pretty potent in its effects but almost (for me) impossible to figure out. It feels weird and with very little conscious feedback. It never seemed to work from the lower loop of consciousness at all.

Though I at first thought that ASMR sounded like some disease. (I haven't yet looked it up)
But it sounds like you might be describing a psychic activation as seen from (mostly) the physical sensation perspective. Yet at the same time you can tell you are describing sensations that are not "skin" based. (ESP?)


My consciousness changes some as well. It's like it condenses and becomes more simple, more solid and strong, more resolved, more focused, more white and black about things as if you are no longer confused by grey. It's like bodily awareness retracts without clumsiness while spiritual intent and resolve increases. It also seem like a second feels like 2 seconds. It sounds like the third level control in a way.

It isn't seemingly mental. Which is why I couldn't figure out how to work it. It seemed to produce pronounced effects, but impossible to really control or direct with any precision.

I tried to develop it after observing the UT and guessing on how they performed certain feats. Though I never really got anything useful out of it. It was a guessing game to adapt things and the access to those features was spotty.

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I am unsure, but these are my thoughts on that fire thing you described.

Sansanoy
04-02-2016, 04:23 PM
Yeah it seems like it originates in my spirit/soul instead of my mind and begins from there. I can't control it, such as moving it here or there either. I can only affect it so that it grows larger or relaxes. If feels like there is just so much power there but it's not connected to my body, just beside it in an overlapping way. I think if I could just find one thing that I can do while that is happening I might figure out the rest. Is there anything you think I might be able to accomplish without there being another person present? Something I can practice on my own?

pontificator
04-04-2016, 01:37 PM
I've been observing periodic activation from an outside source for quite a few days now. It first started when I initiated a routine from the higher-mind level, as I had had a couple of dreams (both very far apart) where I suspected they were due to me stopping breathing during my sleep for whatever reason, the routine I implemented was rather simple "wake-up upon detection of strangulation/suffocation." Prior to learning how to interact with the higher mind I used a similar method for determining the time I would awake in the morning, I could look at a clock-face and imagine the hands in the position I needed to wake up, and it usually worked within a margin of error of about 15 or so minutes.

Following activation of this routine I was immediately checked by something external, reminding me of a few incidents in the past when ETs would be turning up; namely the vet. It was a pretty deep check, more in depth than I've encountered before, and as far as I could tell it was checking what was going on (I note the command word "suffocation" set this off, so I think there was a degree of concern as to why I would implement such a routine.) Further light level checks have been occurring regularly during the day as well, and upon further reflection I realized that the routine I put in place would be fairly disruptive to an ETs operations if they were moving me using their phasing technology.

Normally an ET will use this technology to move an individual into a ship, or perhaps a local out of phase structure (I've seen one of those rooms, pretty spartan, was about 3 meters away from my bedroom at the time,) but there is one side-effect of moving an individual using this technology, and that is that the individual cannot breathe during the procedure; you are out of phase with the atmosphere. It should now be pretty apparent what will happen if they attempt to move me; I'll wake-up, and no doubt cause them distress by asking them rather pointed questions once I can breathe again. For readers capable of doing so, I suggest implementing this routine to make your life, and therefore that of the Aliens, more "exciting." Bonus points to the first person who can report what happens when they ask the Holy Spirit to bless an alien ship; I'm not kidding, I want to know.

Fore
04-05-2016, 08:29 AM
I've been observing periodic activation from an outside source for quite a few days now. It first started when I initiated a routine from the higher-mind level, as I had had a couple of dreams (both very far apart) where I suspected they were due to me stopping breathing during my sleep for whatever reason, the routine I implemented was rather simple "wake-up upon detection of strangulation/suffocation." Prior to learning how to interact with the higher mind I used a similar method for determining the time I would awake in the morning, I could look at a clock-face and imagine the hands in the position I needed to wake up, and it usually worked within a margin of error of about 15 or so minutes.

If I were you I would try teaching your higher self what a period/unit of time is.
Then, teach it what spatial equivalents mean.

Then pose a specific question to your own "higher mind". A directive (in the form of a query) which requires the two understandings of (spatial and temporal equivalents) to answer a specific question. Measure your higher minds response and then measure the actual answer.

These should be questions you can pose but do not have the actual answer to in your cognition.

(ET called them psychic calibration tests)

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When you higher components understand (by you creating a cross reference or index of measurements and their equivalents) it can transform it's level of observation into "a format" that your "lower perception" can then render.

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So in reality, what your gonna do is adapt the normal impulse driven responses that streams from your upper loop into your lower loop into a more broad spectrum of information.

Normal impulses coming down the upper loop into your lower loop: (mental format)
From your specific individual "higher mind" should typically be subconscious impulses with some bits and pieces manifesting in your conscious mind.

As far as I know the ET adapted the concept that if you turned what are normally only guided impulses from an individuals higher components into a more comprehensive and responsive format. The data stream into organic tissue (and the lower mental aspects of an individual) could receive restructured information.

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In a lame way of saying it, instead of just urges comes down and guiding the mental complex of a person, it would instead invoke structured mental processes.

Meaning, your higher components would learn lower components lingo on a higher functioning level.

So instead of just simple urges or hunches, you could introduce into the mental consciousness structured mental data.

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So for example, in someone who hasn't been "retrained", they might ask themselves normally in their own mental landscape where there wife is right at this moment, and all that would happen is either nothing or just lower mental meanderings. The higher mind would not respond to queries (as they have no structured communication with their own higher components)

As opposed to someone who has been retrained and calibrated properly for responses to various kinds of data:

The same question posed above would instead bring into an individuals lower mind (mental) the position and activity of their spouse which is accurate as it occurs in real time. (Or precognitive if other associated features are active)

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It is a corner stone of utilizing advanced features together and in tandem to make psychic phenomena a "meaningful" exercise.

Sansanoy
04-05-2016, 02:07 PM
I think I can do this. I already have a foot in the door so to speak that should help. Although I have not done it in a while this is how I can sometimes know things before they happen. When I come across an object that is related to what will happen I feel this slight nudging inside, like some part of me just slowed down or stirred a little bit. I just stop and stare at what ever my inside me stirred and I try to feel what it's feeling and I get a gist or a structure of what will happen within the next 24hours. (For some reason nothing over a day will trigger). I just need to develop some better communication between the parts of myself.

Thanks.

A99
04-05-2016, 07:13 PM
Good Luck Sans! It's kinda lonely being the only one making psychic predictions in this forum so it would be nice to have someone else making psychic predictions here too! I'm sure you will do fine! The first step is just DOING it and the rest will fall into place. :) If one turns out to be a hit, that's great... if not, that great too!

Sansanoy
04-06-2016, 01:45 PM
Thanks for the confidence, that means a lot.

You might still be the only one predicting anything. For some reason I can only see what I will come to see. Kind of like I am remembering the future that I will experience. It's just that the memory of the event occurs before the event rather than after it. It's kind of weird but it really is like I just recall a memory that is out of place in time. Haven't done it in a year though, it happens in month long phases where my mind is calm instead of erratic, preoccupied, and distracted like it typically is. I think that is where I need to get to again, a calm mind where I can communicate with the higher mind.

A99
04-06-2016, 03:00 PM
I go through month long phases where I'm more psychically active than usual too. As far as I know, that's how it is for a lot of people. At any rate, I do psychic exercises... like focusing on what the next pick 3 lotto numbers will be. They have them twice a day and it's excellent practice. There are other kinds of exercises one can do in this area too but the bottom line is to practice, practice, practice because when you do that, more things come up spontaneously too. I'm just saying that this is how it is for me and I guess it comes down to whatever works for you, keep doing it. Another thing... being around someone who's good at it rubs off on you. That helps too. There are reasons why but I won't go into that here.

whoknows
04-06-2016, 07:26 PM
Thanks for the confidence, that means a lot.

You might still be the only one predicting anything. For some reason I can only see what I will come to see. Kind of like I am remembering the future that I will experience. It's just that the memory of the event occurs before the event rather than after it. It's kind of weird but it really is like I just recall a memory that is out of place in time. Haven't done it in a year though, it happens in month long phases where my mind is calm instead of erratic, preoccupied, and distracted like it typically is. I think that is where I need to get to again, a calm mind where I can communicate with the higher mind.

I think this is an example of my theory that we exist across a multiplicity of universes where we experience everything we possibly can, including every moment in time... "Am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man or am I man dreaming I am a butterfly?" Somehow I feel connected to everything and every when!

Fore
04-06-2016, 08:05 PM
I think I can do this. I already have a foot in the door so to speak that should help. Although I have not done it in a while this is how I can sometimes know things before they happen. When I come across an object that is related to what will happen I feel this slight nudging inside, like some part of me just slowed down or stirred a little bit. I just stop and stare at what ever my inside me stirred and I try to feel what it's feeling and I get a gist or a structure of what will happen within the next 24hours. (For some reason nothing over a day will trigger). I just need to develop some better communication between the parts of myself.

Thanks.That probably means that your higher components are paying some kind of attention to what you are doing.

It probably (operative word here is probably) means that you are unconsciously feeding information to it, and it is feeding back subliminal responses as you go about your daily business.

When you reached the level of control that I described you can query almost any relevant details and figure out the issue.

Though, if you say it only happens in precognitive format displaced by 1 day, it also means that your influence output level is pretty low.
Back when I was coasting to a psychic standstill I kept tabs on how much influence is really required to run different features.

From what I can only give a "best guess"...I think most features do not require as much influence as I once used to think it did. It seems the denser the influence the less that may be required?

Though, I am unsure what "denseness" actually means. Does it mean the propensity to induce changes in organic tissue with high efficiency or does it just mean something else? (?) I don't know.

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I would also point out that God does not seem to like people dabbling in those kinds of things. So I would advise against developing it further.

I am aware that the "Holy Spirit" can supposedly impart such sanctioned "gifts" to individuals but I am somewhat ignorant as to the nuances of that.

I also used to wonder if the ET were trying to create fake replications of those sanctioned "gifts". It really does make one wonder quite a bit about what their aims were. I can see people getting the wrong idea or impressions on various phenomena that are not sanctioned. If you catch my drift. :angel_not:

Fore
04-06-2016, 08:26 PM
Thanks for the confidence, that means a lot.

You might still be the only one predicting anything. For some reason I can only see what I will come to see. Kind of like I am remembering the future that I will experience. It's just that the memory of the event occurs before the event rather than after it. It's kind of weird but it really is like I just recall a memory that is out of place in time. Haven't done it in a year though, it happens in month long phases where my mind is calm instead of erratic, preoccupied, and distracted like it typically is. I think that is where I need to get to again, a calm mind where I can communicate with the higher mind.


Yeah, exactly!

That was my preferred method of analyzing the displaced content.

Though there are a numerous array of formats you can choose from for different instances. Part of the ET experiments were about their efficiency in me to produce results. They would have you sit there and they would make the modifications to settings in psychic structures and then have you perform the same test again and again until they decided it wasn't a useful result or they/I succeeded in the efficiency of a particular task.

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Anyway, it sounds like you are describing cycles of when you are in a low influence state and a higher one.

It comes and goes. Normal people seem to have pre-cognitive "fits" every now and then. The less psychically active they are, the longer the period between episodes as far as I can figure.

If you start using psychic features on a regular basis you'll notice the periods between will significantly shorten.
If you start to understand how to communicate with your own higher components then the periods will pretty much stop and it will be accessible "at will" whenever you drive a directive up the loop into the invisible aspects.

I used to love answering peoples questions in reverse chronological order. I would love it when people would have the answer before they had finished asking it.
If you would scroll up in a text chat, you'd see a smorgasbord chronological paradoxes.

Though the concept of a paradox is also substantially incorrect since reality is pretty different than is assumed in our minds.

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If you do affect others with the aid of precognition though you'll encounter the UT. (Utra-terrestrials/Angels)
The more disruptive the inconsistency (in real life, not in some chat) you are, the more often they will announce their presence and warn you not to do anything further. (OR ELSE)

So if I were you, I wouldn't go through the trouble of researching any of it. There are entities who will notice your activity and in doing so come to stop you from doing it.

In the end, you'll just end up shelving just about everything you can learn.


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Which makes one wonder, if these ET are being restrained in all the possible disruptions they could possibly perform. Interesting question, right?

Fore
04-06-2016, 08:30 PM
I think this is an example of my theory that we exist across a multiplicity of universes where we experience everything we possibly can, including every moment in time... "Am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man or am I man dreaming I am a butterfly?" Somehow I feel connected to everything and every when!

I wonder these days if that is what the Bible (or God) means by being made in "His" likeness.
Normally people would assume it means in human qualities, and maybe that is the case.
But I wonder if there is more meaning behind that statement.

montalk
04-07-2016, 12:21 AM
I would also point out that God does not seem to like people dabbling in those kinds of things. So I would advise against developing it further.

Could you elaborate on what is liked and encouraged by God and the UT/angels, versus discouraged or looked down upon? Or put another way, what should humans ideally be like in their eyes?

Fore
04-07-2016, 01:57 AM
Could you elaborate on what is liked and encouraged by God and the UT/angels, versus discouraged or looked down upon? Or put another way, what should humans ideally be like in their eyes?

It's a good question.

The constant things that have been asked to refrain from either directly (by God) or through the UT/Angels is:

Don't interfere with the order of events or other peoples lives through any psychic means. (Angels)
Don't communicate with any spiritual being except those who are "of God". (God/Angels)
Don't use any (psychic) ability other than the abilities expressly given "with sanction". (God/Angels)
Don't seek out any interference or audience from malevolent spiritual entities. (Angels)
Don't communicate with or utilize the ET psychic network.
Don't continue to (I am discouraged from) relating the knowledge espoused by ET to other people. (Angels mostly...still working on it)
Don't allow any passage/entrance or call out to any entity (biological or spiritual) from the guards assigned. (Angels)
Abandon almost all supernatural or psychic phenomena or it's research. (Angels)
Anything that God deems necessary for you to have (phenomena wise) will be assigned. (?) (God\Angels)

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Ask for anything needed and if it is given/granted, then it will be. (Angels Mostly)
Be (fearful ~or~ resolved) to be on the wrong side of the fence when _the_ time comes. (?) (Angels warning me about collaborating with ETs)
Be forgiving and realize compassion for the plight of others. (God\Angels)
Recognize your own faults and strive to work on them every day. (God\Angels)
etc.

(Those are the ones that come to the top of the list off the top of my head.)

Edward
04-07-2016, 03:02 AM
It's a good question.

The constant things that have been asked to refrain from either directly (by God) or through the UT/Angels is:

Don't interfere with the order of events or other peoples lives through any psychic means. (Angels)
Don't communicate with any spiritual being except those who are "of God". (God/Angels)
Don't use any (psychic) ability other than the abilities expressly given "with sanction". (God/Angels)
Don't seek out any interference or audience from malevolent spiritual entities. (Angels)
Don't communicate with or utilize the ET psychic network.
Don't continue to (I am discouraged from) relating the knowledge espoused by ET to other people. (Angels mostly...still working on it)
Don't allow any passage/entrance or call out to any entity (biological or spiritual) from the guards assigned. (Angels)
Abandon almost all supernatural or psychic phenomena or it's research. (Angels)
Anything that God deems necessary for you to have (phenomena wise) will be assigned. (?) (God\Angels)

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Ask for anything needed and if it is given/granted, then it will be. (Angels Mostly)
Be (fearful ~or~ resolved) to be on the wrong side of the fence when _the_ time comes. (?) (Angels warning me about collaborating with ETs)
Be forgiving and realize compassion for the plight of others. (God\Angels)
Recognize your own faults and strive to work on them every day. (God\Angels)
etc.

(Those are the ones that come to the top of the list off the top of my head.)


A lot of restrictions there, of which I can seemingly understand for some as for others. It really doesn't make sense. Why would god put limitations on something he gave all of us? I am reminded of this quote, So to correlate a relation to what I'm saying if one does not follow is this: "Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next,.............." -The Devils Advocate.

God gave life and with that various abilities with-in. So what's up with the limitations then? Why create that at all then if there shouldn't be use for it. I believe God allows us to experience things. I believe that individuated Consciousness(or those individuals who feel they are seperate) that look to have power and control to excise various rules and/or controls over spirits/entities/people is the cause for such implied and rigid rules.


Edward

Fore
04-07-2016, 05:46 AM
A lot of restrictions there, of which I can seemingly understand for some as for others. It really doesn't make sense. Why would god put limitations on something he gave all of us? I am reminded of this quote, So to correlate a relation to what I'm saying if one does not follow is this: "Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next,.............." -The Devils Advocate.

God gave life and with that various abilities with-in. So what's up with the limitations then? Why create that at all then if there shouldn't be use for it. I believe God allows us to experience things. I believe that individuated Consciousness(or those individuals who feel they are seperate) that look to have power and control to excise various rules and/or controls over spirits/entities/people is the cause for such implied and rigid rules.


EdwardMontalk only asked me to state what some of the rules were, not the specifics behind them. I also forgot to answer the last question. (on hold)

I don't know or fully understand all of the rules (not yet mentioned). All I can say is I have learned there is always a very good reason for them and they are eventually understood.

Don't talk to spirituals:
Simple enough, they interface with you on more than an external verbal format like you would from one human individual to another human individual.

In other words in psychic communication, they speak through you, as opposed to "at you".

When you and I communicate verbally, we don't get inside each others head. (with various exceptions of course)
When you communicate with a spiritual entity, they share the invisible fabric allotted for "just you".

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It doesn't take some individual entity very much effort to change your mind about anything in particular if you aren't ever vigilant and careful.
It is one of the reasons why I overadapted to have a very combative personality deep down inside. I don't accept anything new until it is very evident.

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So there will be people out there in the world, who look around for entities selling them spiritual candy. Thoughts wrapped/warped up inside.
(sorry for the wordplay)

The only one you are supposed to ever talk to is each other (human to human) (a hazard at best). Down here (on Earth) people don't know anything beyond the world they live in. So they make it up as they go. Philosophy, ideas, assumed truths etc.

Some are popular and some aren't as popular. Then you have (a proposal for the sake of this argument) people who arrive from beyond our small sphere of knowledge.

They will take your inner world, attach and influence it, and say just about anything. You/we don't know any better in either case.

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So beware of strangers offering you weird looking candy.

Especially if God has forbidden such activity. Any entity who doesn't follow those rules are extremely likely to be the one to tell you half truths or full on lies. Thats at least 25% of what the Bible is about.

If one goes looking, one will find, but you never know what or who you'll find.

Fore
04-07-2016, 06:12 AM
In other words, think about it this way.

Up there in your head, you have the most powerful and flexible ability. The ability to think and imagine things.
Which most of us take for granted.

We can use that tool to find out truths about the world around us. Or we can also use it to blind ourselves or each other.

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Like I said a long time ago, imagine being one of those UT standing there timelessly seeing and knowing the absolute truths about life and everything after it.

Compare that with a human being with a mind that knows nothing for certain.

Even science doesn't know alot of things in all spectrum's of research.

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Now knowing the truth (like a UT) and seeing what God does on a daily basis, you would know for certain "that character" of His.

What could shatter "your insight" though, probably even on a UT, is if a Liar of epic proportions, weaved twisted interpretations of reality to the point where The Liar calls into question the reality you (as a UT) have observed all that time. Just by planting seeds of doubt.

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That is what I understood as a tragic issue. The fact that there is only one being who knows absolutely everything and every when.
Yet everyone below that only knows some things and never absolutely everything about anything.

Perhaps (I am guessing here) that is why Faith plays a critical role. Logical deductions and conclusions can be skewed no matter how hard you try to avoid it.

Perhaps that is why God doesn't form his presentation of himself that way? Because any logical argument in his favor could be turned around even if they are well founded.

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In either case, I'd be weary of how the parties currently coming and going are all related. UT/ET/Spiritual Entities.

I honestly wonder. "What is Truth?"

Fore
04-07-2016, 09:39 AM
Could you elaborate on what is liked and encouraged by God and the UT/angels, versus discouraged or looked down upon? Or put another way, what should humans ideally be like in their eyes?Thats a really good question. After racking my brain for a bit, I don't seem to recall any specific instance of some Angel telling me to be something specific.

Besides them saying don't sin/curse/use swear words when they are present?
I am sure they did guide the thinking/feeling process of correcting me in several ways....but an ideal representation. I don't think anything comes to mind. They sort of correct you and point out issues and provide guidance when you need something.

Sometimes they offer a moral backdrop to which you are invited to either abstain from continuing the error they pointed out, or they invite you to reflect on your actions which they deemed to be in error. But I don't recall them ever couching that as if it were "their" ideal. It's more like they are just pull you to the side and have a talk with you about some given situation. They coax you to go down a specific path which I am pretty free to ignore or to adopt.

Most every time after some thought and coaxing, you tend to give in.

It's not so much a mental thing as much as "they act as" a moral compass that you might not have at that particular time, but which they get your attention by addressing you directly and pull you to the side for a moment to think about it. Then urge you to take a stance based on a moral choice they present.

But there isn't a moment when they really state that is their personal opinion. It's more like they are simply a reflector for God and His wisdom.

They are just the hands and feet, the voice and the presence you can actually hear and perceive.

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I've noticed more than once that alot of Angels do not know as much as you think they actually would. Some of them are seemingly ordered by God (according to them) to be at a specific time and place and to conduct some activity without them actually knowing the in's and out's of it.

Some of the lower Angels I have met are even less capable than I was in psychic feature sets. They seem to have purposes established within their ability. (?) <<--Very unsure

Have I ever really heard a UT say this XX is their ideal? No, not that I can see after wracking my brain for a bit. It doesn't seem to be about them at all.

I have noticed some lower Angels express exasperation and some faint hints that they know what will happen in the next 24 hours. Even sentimental grief over something that is about to happen. (at which time I do not typically know anything...but can infer from their behavior "that it can't be good, if you are doing that grief thing".

So at least the Lower Angels seem to express their preference for a situation. But not really anything remarkable in my view.

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There were a few Angels who were a bit weirder who think in very odd terms.

Almost like 20 years ago, I recall a few incidents where UT's would show up and address me directly and state in responses to my questions that entailed strange applications of logic. For example, I still recall that one of those told me that my current state of affairs (back then) is measured by my future actions. (?)

That supposedly God knows exactly how I would ultimately (truly) perform and therefore my requests were seen/weighed in that light. (?)
I read it's mind and I pretty much saw what was a strange mentality based on future events that still hadn't occurred but which were unknown to me and undefined other than their mental representation in the mind of that UT.

(Mind twisting wording, sorry about that)

So basically, I took it to mean God is always kind to those who will eventually overcome. (?)
Not sure how to really interpret it as it just is hard to grasp it.

Consider it a case of Angelic vomit of whose entrails are hard to figure out. lol
In other words, I am pretty sure Angels don't impose *their* ideals. I am not too sure.

whoknows
04-07-2016, 07:37 PM
I wonder these days if that is what the Bible (or God) means by being made in "His" likeness.
Normally people would assume it means in human qualities, and maybe that is the case.
But I wonder if there is more meaning behind that statement.

I wonder too Fore! I myself have always likened trying to fathom "God" (any name has left me wanting, being inadequate to the task) as the three blind men in a room trying to describe the elephant.

If you believe in "God" how can you separate your self form said being. After all is it not said in the bible and even physics that everything we can observe has a single origin/source?

The meaning? Getting my head around the word infinity has me a bit dumbfounded. It's one of those transcendent things we've managed to put a word to, like, love, that we still don't quite fully understand. To know the meaning will probably take timelessness.

In the end we must try to discuss those thing for which we haven't the words. Are we still too stuck in the physical? It also said that we all have been born with "Buddha consciousness" a baby does not need to be taught how go to it's mothers breast for sustenance.

Sansanoy
04-07-2016, 08:20 PM
I would also point out that God does not seem to like people dabbling in those kinds of things. So I would advise against developing it further.



Ever since I gave it all to God I have never experienced it again. The one time I tried to cause it to happen, rather than allow it to happen I got really freaked out and disturbed out my place of mind. It just kinda makes you feel all sorts of wrong about yourself.



Don't communicate with or utilize the ET psychic network.

That or something similar is the thing that got me that verbal (internal) reprimand. That abyss stares back.



So beware of strangers offering you weird looking candy.


This made me think of a meme.

http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n541/Juggernaut007/124ksh_zpsawyesxig.jpg (http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/Juggernaut007/media/124ksh_zpsawyesxig.jpg.html)

Sansanoy
04-07-2016, 08:46 PM
A lot of restrictions there, of which I can seemingly understand for some as for others. It really doesn't make sense. Why would god put limitations on something he gave all of us? I am reminded of this quote, So to correlate a relation to what I'm saying if one does not follow is this: "Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next,.............." -The Devils Advocate.

God gave life and with that various abilities with-in. So what's up with the limitations then? Why create that at all then if there shouldn't be use for it. I believe God allows us to experience things. I believe that individuated Consciousness(or those individuals who feel they are seperate) that look to have power and control to excise various rules and/or controls over spirits/entities/people is the cause for such implied and rigid rules.


Edward

Gabrielle Amorth, Chief exorcist of the Catholic Church made a good distinction between Charisms (gifts of the Holy Spirit) and psychic ability. Charisms don't consume energy, they don't make you tired when you use them. Whereas Pyschic abilities come from the person, and tire the person when used. The main difference however, or the significant difference comes in the definition of Charism. Charism - any good gift that flows from God's love to humans.

So a Charism flows from Gods love to humans, and a Psychic ability flows from that persons intent and desire. My intents and desires are very impure. It is actually a really good thing that I do not have any sufficient ability to allow my intents and desires the power to work. They overcome me even without psychic ability, how much worse if I had any real power.

I think it is also the case that these psychic abilities may more represent a defect rather than a bonus. I think they may be open doors that are safer left shut. They seem to allow an advantage at the cost of disadvantage.

I think everyday what good I could do or accomplish if I just had the power. But my desire is not good, it is not doing the work of God for me to seek power to do my work for His sake. After the loaves and fishes miracle the people there said to Jesus “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-19) This is why I give all these things to God everyday, so that I will know what is according to Gods will for me and what isn't.

I think the trickster isn't the designer of the game, but the one who printed the instructions and put them in the box. It's not that someone has put us into some cruel game, it's that someone has tricked us into seeing and playing the wrong game.

epo333
04-07-2016, 11:49 PM
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There were a few Angels who were a bit weirder who think in very odd terms.

Almost like 20 years ago, I recall a few incidents where UT's would show up and address me directly and state in responses to my questions that entailed strange applications of logic. For example, I still recall that one of those told me that my current state of affairs (back then) is measured by my future actions. (?)

That supposedly God knows exactly how I would ultimately (truly) perform and therefore my requests were seen/weighed in that light. (?)
I read it's mind and I pretty much saw what was a strange mentality based on future events that still hadn't occurred but which were unknown to me and undefined other than their mental representation in the mind of that UT.

(Mind twisting wording, sorry about that)



. . . Ok I'll chime in my thoughts on this fwiw . . .

I notice you have put out quite a bit of your experience in regards to UTs, and you perceived/received no psychic warnings so to speak. However, had you posted about your inter-relations with ETs in as much detail, you may have perceived a stern warning, no?

So just maybe, (from your discussion here) you are now following the desired path, seen in the past by the very UT you now speak of . . .

. . .well thats my rare $.02 . . .

Carry on . . .

Fore
04-08-2016, 05:07 AM
. . . Ok I'll chime in my thoughts on this fwiw . . .

I notice you have put out quite a bit of your experience in regards to UTs, and you perceived/received no psychic warnings so to speak. I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out. Good point.

Though that hasn't always been the case. In the past anytime I mentioned something about God of some significance I usually get an uptick in spiritual activity. Though not lately that I can recall off the top of my head. I wonder why?


However, had you posted about your inter-relations with ETs in as much detail, you may have perceived a stern warning, no? Correct, that is the typical.

Though, I haven't usually said anything lately it does seem to be less frequent. Again, I wonder why?


So just maybe, (from your discussion here) you are now following the desired path, seen in the past by the very UT you now speak of . . .

. . .well thats my rare $.02 . . .

Carry on . . .I think I am still off the path, but working my way to finding it. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

There was an old prognosis some ET made about 15 or so years ago I have been meaning to re-mention these last few days but haven't recalled it when writing on topics lately. I think you'll recall it from my early stuff.

There was an old prediction alongside the NASA launch programs discontinuing at the end of the decade that followed. (which refers to 2010, which surprisingly did happen)

There was more than one ET who used to say that the last President of the United States was after the next. (In reference to Obama before his first term if I recall correctly) That they wouldn't be in office longer than a year before ~the discontinuity of government~ takes place. They said that at that point there won't be any more elected presidents (by the people) and what will take place is a random shuffle of government succession.

In other words, they had me understand that _THAT_ is the supposed skeleton government left to fend for themselves. The end of the road.

More than one ET made mention of that but I am having trouble recalling who at the moment. But they spoke of it as in past tense. And they also mentioned that the Human Groups were long aware of that eventuality.

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I just thought I should add that. Because I don't watch live TV anymore. So I don't know what are the happenings on TV or the news lately. I was looking at an online broadcast and noticed that the two front runners are Trump and Hilary. LOL, it really must mean it doesn't matter who wins at this point?

Yikes...

I should also point out that they spoke of it as a done deal. In other words, everyone except the public sector is said to know that is the case. Lets see if it is fact or fiction in a year.

Edward
04-08-2016, 05:42 AM
Montalk only asked me to state what some of the rules were, not the specifics behind them. I also forgot to answer the last question. (on hold)

I don't know or fully understand all of the rules (not yet mentioned). All I can say is I have learned there is always a very good reason for them and they are eventually understood.

Don't talk to spirituals:
Simple enough, they interface with you on more than an external verbal format like you would from one human individual to another human individual.

In other words in psychic communication, they speak through you, as opposed to "at you".

When you and I communicate verbally, we don't get inside each others head. (with various exceptions of course)
When you communicate with a spiritual entity, they share the invisible fabric allotted for "just you".

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It doesn't take some individual entity very much effort to change your mind about anything in particular if you aren't ever vigilant and careful.
It is one of the reasons why I overadapted to have a very combative personality deep down inside. I don't accept anything new until it is very evident.

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So there will be people out there in the world, who look around for entities selling them spiritual candy. Thoughts wrapped/warped up inside.
(sorry for the wordplay)

The only one you are supposed to ever talk to is each other (human to human) (a hazard at best). Down here (on Earth) people don't know anything beyond the world they live in. So they make it up as they go. Philosophy, ideas, assumed truths etc.

Some are popular and some aren't as popular. Then you have (a proposal for the sake of this argument) people who arrive from beyond our small sphere of knowledge.

They will take your inner world, attach and influence it, and say just about anything. You/we don't know any better in either case.

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So beware of strangers offering you weird looking candy.

Especially if God has forbidden such activity. Any entity who doesn't follow those rules are extremely likely to be the one to tell you half truths or full on lies. Thats at least 25% of what the Bible is about.

If one goes looking, one will find, but you never know what or who you'll find.


It just sounds like we need to avoid them because there are not a whole lot of Honorable entities around(Ones that will do and say anything). I'm kinda disappointed when thinking about it that way. /Sigh Well the show must go on. Things can't be all pessimistic.

Thanks for explaining Fore.

Edward

Edward
04-08-2016, 05:44 AM
In other words, think about it this way.


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In either case, I'd be weary of how the parties currently coming and going are all related. UT/ET/Spiritual Entities.

I honestly wonder. "What is Truth?"


As do I, but perhaps Truth is in the eye of the beholder? /shrugs

Eward

Edward
04-08-2016, 05:55 AM
Gabrielle Amorth, Chief exorcist of the Catholic Church made a good distinction between Charisms (gifts of the Holy Spirit) and psychic ability. Charisms don't consume energy, they don't make you tired when you use them. Whereas Pyschic abilities come from the person, and tire the person when used. The main difference however, or the significant difference comes in the definition of Charism. Charism - any good gift that flows from God's love to humans.

So a Charism flows from Gods love to humans, and a Psychic ability flows from that persons intent and desire. My intents and desires are very impure. It is actually a really good thing that I do not have any sufficient ability to allow my intents and desires the power to work. They overcome me even without psychic ability, how much worse if I had any real power.

I think it is also the case that these psychic abilities may more represent a defect rather than a bonus. I think they may be open doors that are safer left shut. They seem to allow an advantage at the cost of disadvantage.

I think everyday what good I could do or accomplish if I just had the power. But my desire is not good, it is not doing the work of God for me to seek power to do my work for His sake. After the loaves and fishes miracle the people there said to Jesus “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.” (John 6:28-19) This is why I give all these things to God everyday, so that I will know what is according to Gods will for me and what isn't.

I think the trickster isn't the designer of the game, but the one who printed the instructions and put them in the box. It's not that someone has put us into some cruel game, it's that someone has tricked us into seeing and playing the wrong game.


This goes back to what is truth, that fore put before us. Be nice to know what's going on in terms of what's the game but there have been many that have said that it's set up so that we don't remember and I'm not sure if that's by god's plan or the "others".

Edward

Sansanoy
04-08-2016, 02:51 PM
There was an old prognosis some ET made about 15 or so years ago I have been meaning to re-mention these last few days but haven't recalled it when writing on topics lately. I think you'll recall it from my early stuff.

There was an old prediction alongside the NASA launch programs discontinuing at the end of the decade that followed. (which refers to 2010, which surprisingly did happen)

There was more than one ET who used to say that the last President of the United States was after the next. (In reference to Obama before his first term if I recall correctly) That they wouldn't be in office longer than a year before ~the discontinuity of government~ takes place. They said that at that point there won't be any more elected presidents (by the people) and what will take place is a random shuffle of government succession.



Many people, myself included feel that this election is the beginning of the end. We feel it as a gut feeling, and as a logical conclusion to what is going on. The country is near civil war right now. Everyone is sitting on a powder keg just waiting for the right arsonist. I feel like if we choose the wrong president in this election, then that is it, the course is locked in. That is if there even is a choice.

Sansanoy
04-08-2016, 04:31 PM
This goes back to what is truth, that fore put before us. Be nice to know what's going on in terms of what's the game but there have been many that have said that it's set up so that we don't remember and I'm not sure if that's by god's plan or the "others".

Edward

What is truth. I think there is an answer for that, but unfortunately it doesn't come with any knowledge. It does however give us hope through this terrible game within our shared beliefs.

We all have this innate belief of morality that seems true, objective, and prescriptive (obligated to obey). There are certain morals that seem subjective, but others seem to be objective, or mind independent. They are true regardless of anyone's belief that they are true. But since an objective moral value would be mind independent we cannot ground them in Gods mind. Nor should we because then morality would either be arbitrary or greater than God which would make the term God self defeating. But what we can bind them to is Gods nature. God, by definition is a maximally great being, so if objective moral values refer to Gods nature then they are the greatest possible moral value. In this way God is the paradigm of moral value, in the same way that an inch refers to a ruler.

What brings us hope is that Gods moral nature is an essential property of his being. To lack an essential property is to cease to be that thing. So God cannot act against his nature. And because our moral values refer to His nature we can trust that His actions will be in accordance with the moral values we perceive and adhere to. The confusion lies in our inability to perceive moral values clearly as well as our lack of complete knowledge of worldly and spiritual events. Even though it's confusing and painful we can always trust God to act according to His nature. So long as we believe in objective moral values we kind of have to, because to doubt the nature of God due to what we perceive from His actions is to simultaneously doubt the moral values we are using to judge Him. It's kind of like going back in time to kill yourself, the ability to do so simply becomes impotent.

While we do not perceive it internally God also claims that Truth is grounded in Himself. So that if His intention was to declare that truth was grounded in Him when He said "I am the way, the truth, the life" then there is only 1 actual truth. And that kind of makes sense because as a maximally great being He would know the greatest amount of truth with the greatest amount of precision. In a way He would be a record to which truth refers to in a way that is more precise than language (or perhaps independent of?) and without floating truth around as an abstract object with no home.

So we may not know what is going on but we shouldn't doubt who the good guy is, because we lose what "good" even means in the process of doubting His nature. It's kind of complicated but there is so much hope that comes from knowing that.

I don't know if its Gods plan either. In one sense it is but I don't think it's part of His specific plan. In a chess game your overall plan is to win, and that includes the choices the other player makes, but your plan has no bearing on the free choice of the other player, it just uses and includes those choices in the overall strategy. And that is kind of the consequence to free choice beings, it means you can no longer just arrive at a conclusion but instead have to navigate your way there.

I have been trying to figure it out too. I think if I could just find out what happened at the tower of Babel it would open up a whole new level of understanding. I have been studying Mesopotamian texts, deep Biblical translations, and apocryphal texts and it has really opened my eyes on some of it but it also just widens the mystery. From everything I have read there has been a huge corruption of knowledge and genetics brought about by creatures below or above the earth (abyss goes both ways). All of it came to some ultimate conclusion at the time of the building of the city of Babel where a man, almost certainly Etana began to be something more than human. At which point everything became confused, not just language, and the ownership? of men was transferred over to angels. I just have this strong feeling that a major key to the puzzle lies in Babylon. I think there are 3 main keys, Eden, the civilization that Cain built, and Babel, with Babel being the most pertinent.

whoknows
04-08-2016, 07:23 PM
Sansanoy, I can not see there being objectivity in any belief system, none seem natural to me, rather a artifact of nurture. That is not to say there is not truth to be found in, well, most of them from my pov. Though again, any "truth" I may perceive is subject to the nurture of my acculturation, and in the age we live in the "good guy" has been everywhere and in everything. As I said in my last post to this thread, "All things, everything, came from the same place!

In Kabbalist tradition I think they would say that all is good even the bad being necessary so that you can know and chose what is good, well, as much as we can, (it is a choice),and as of yet I have meet no one that is perfect.

After all in a world of all light you would see nothing... Light needs something to reflect off of. Pairs of opposites, we are surrounded by them.

Sansanoy
04-08-2016, 09:15 PM
Sansanoy, I can not see there being objectivity in any belief system, none seem natural to me, rather a artifact of nurture. That is not to say there is not truth to be found in, well, most of them from my pov. Though again, any "truth" I may perceive is subject to the nurture of my acculturation, and in the age we live in the "good guy" has been everywhere and in everything. As I said in my last post to this thread, "All things, everything, came from the same place!

In Kabbalist tradition I think they would say that all is good even the bad being necessary so that you can know and chose what is good, well, as much as we can, (it is a choice),and as of yet I have meet no one that is perfect.

After all in a world of all light you would see nothing... Light needs something to reflect off of. Pairs of opposites, we are surrounded by them.

I don't mean to argue my belief with what I just said, I just mean to talk with Edward within the context of our shared world view. I do believe that even within my world view a lot of religions have uniquely valuable truths with in them. I also agree with you that even my own world view is not an objective view of God, it's subjective. However I also believe that some objective truths are perceivable and others are as you say are seen through a glass darkly. In my world view though I am told to love God with all my desire, all my soul, all my ability, and all my intellect. So that is what I try to do, use my ability and intellect to see more clearly through that glass. Philosophy is a great tool for that as it holds the structure of epistemology. It is how we come to know that we have come to know the truth. It is a mechanism that allows us to see past that dark glass.

There are moral values that appear to be subjective or at least obfuscated and unclear. But I don't mean those I mean the things that are very clear, such as the moral value that "torturing innocent children for fun" is wrong. That is something that is clearly perceived, and so prescriptive that it declares itself as objective. It's a "never, ever no matter what" It's always true and never not true. In that case it just is, a priori, informing our consciousness in an objective manner. That is the sort of thing I am referring to.

I don't think that evil is necessary for good to be good. Or that the existence of evil is necessary to choose good because you can still choose good even if the ability to choose evil is turned off. For example lets say I put a computer chip in your brain while you slept so that when you go to vote the next day I can paralyze your arm so that you cannot vote for the candidate I want to lose. If you try to pull the lever for candidate X your hand will become paralyzed and you can't pull the lever. However if you try to vote for candidate Y nothing will happen, so you can still freely choose Y even without being able to choose X. Even if you knew I put the chip in you as long as you intended to vote for candidate Y the chip made no actual difference in your choice. It only makes a difference if you want to choose candidate X.

I think the Kabbalist came to that conclusion later on because they viewed sin or evil as a means of refinement by choosing to perform mitzvah. But it should really be viewed as poison, not refinement. In the parables someone came and sowed tares among the wheat. In the infancy stage tares and wheat look the same. You can't separate them until they are fully grown and become distinct, but the tares are actually poison. If you don't separate them when you bake the bread the person who eats it will die. So the existence of an evil path allows the tares to be tares, it allows those that would vote for candidate X to vote for candidate X, but it does not allow or perform any function to allow good to choose good or candidate Y because that has always been a choice that one could freely make with or without evil or candidate X.

Fore
04-09-2016, 12:21 AM
I have been trying to figure it out too. I think if I could just find out what happened at the tower of Babel it would open up a whole new level of understanding. I have been studying Mesopotamian texts, deep Biblical translations, and apocryphal texts and it has really opened my eyes on some of it but it also just widens the mystery. From everything I have read there has been a huge corruption of knowledge and genetics brought about by creatures below or above the earth (abyss goes both ways). All of it came to some ultimate conclusion at the time of the building of the city of Babel where a man, almost certainly Etana began to be something more than human. At which point everything became confused, not just language, and the ownership? of men was transferred over to angels. I just have this strong feeling that a major key to the puzzle lies in Babylon. I think there are 3 main keys, Eden, the civilization that Cain built, and Babel, with Babel being the most pertinent.

I admittedly do not know the ins and out of Babel. But I wonder if it was about something as simple as building a structure to reach one of the portals used to traverse into heaven.

The reason why I mention it is because I talked about this topic a couple of weeks ago with my brother when we were discussing the Bible. And one of the things that came to mind during it, was the significant observations I have made over the years that almost all Malevolent entities can't float above a certain height.

The majority of the types I encountered are literally stuck to the ground. They can rise to the roof by attaching themselves and working their way up using the structure as a form of doing so.

The only ones who are capable of actually floating are the gaseous types and only then have I seen them rise (unsupported) slightly more than roof level. They seem unable to attain any height without a structure beneath them.

So I wondered, why do Angels/UT always seem to be coming from above in the sky? Why do they seemingly cross the sky unaided? They don't have any wings, and I have seen them standing literally in mid-air. Yet when I see malevolent spirituals do something at about the height of a telephone pole they are supporting themselves off the literal telephone pole.

That rings bell of an illogical conclusion though....

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Why does a non-incarnate being made of _zero mass_ require supporting mass beneath it to elevate it's height? Seems illogical doesn't it?
Yet there it is. Seen it and noticed it as long as I have been alive.

Why can Angels go up to an altitude as high as clouds....but not malevolent spirituals?

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Anyway, simply after thinking about the Babel story and connecting the two, a logical deduction came to mind.

What if the Tower of Babel was simply both a meeting place as well a literal stair/stool to help them make their way up to a height where they could enter into those supposed portals in the sky that Angels use?

I noticed when Angels observe the situation they do so from a few hundred feet in the air.
I noticed when Angels leave the vicinity to take some entity with them either go parallel to the ground at about the level of your average roof, or they go higher up into the sky and then drop off my proverbial psychic radar.

I could sense things from miles away at the time, so it wasn't a distance problem. (?)

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Anyway, just an observation, I wonder if the main purpose was to "ascend" once again. Maybe they built the tower to gain access to a pathway that Angels used all the time but couldn't quite reach it anymore in their current state? Dunno.

Maybe since you know more about the story you can see if it means anything or if it is even plausible.

Since that conversation I have wondered about the topic and those weird people on the internet who say there are portals in the sky. (usually I relegated the idea to kooks, but then again, right in front of me and didn't realize it)

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It was years ago that I also noticed that Angels do assignments, in some cases the same ones in the same area. So I started wondering how they enter this reality? If portals were the method, then do they always keep them open? Are they always in a fixed position? What are the logistics of keeping such traffic going on a worldwide scale?

It also made me finally wonder if some of the rich and powerful were always building towers high into the sky for more than just real estate and ego purposes. Too bad we don't have any more details on how the UT do their things.

Fore
04-09-2016, 12:29 AM
P.S.

Ironically, none of the malevolent spirituals could probably pick up a hammer and build anything. So it is kind of laughable that they would turn to human beings who can do it for them. I also wonder if the Tower of Babel was about active collaborators with Spiritually Malevolent beings.

One thing malevolent spirituals can do though, is impart knowledge. So if you have a willing ear and a willing mind, I guess that would be the sweet spot for it.

Makes you wonder if that is why they made it a meeting place for the human beings alive at that time. And then it would make sense that God broke up their pow wow by setting the then unified human kind into different sects against each other by changing their language and all. (Tower of Babel)

With humanity spread out and different kinds of bases of thought and language in each mind, I doubt the malevolent spirituals could set up plans to do a remake of Babel. At least not easily.

Sansanoy
04-09-2016, 12:30 PM
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Anyway, simply after thinking about the Babel story and connecting the two, a logical deduction came to mind.

What if the Tower of Babel was simply both a meeting place as well a literal stair/stool to help them make their way up to a height where they could enter into those supposed portals in the sky that Angels use?


Anyway, just an observation, I wonder if the main purpose was to "ascend" once again. Maybe they built the tower to gain access to a pathway that Angels used all the time but couldn't quite reach it anymore in their current state? Dunno.



That is the conclusion I came to as well. While I was told as a child it was a tower that physically reached toward the heavens I discovered later that doesn't make sense according to Mesopotamian cosmology. For one thing that is not the only time the statement "reaches toward the heavens" is used of some city structure. The same terminology was used in the cursing of Agade. "An took up (some mss. have instead: out) (1 ms. has instead: away) into the midst of heaven its fearsomeness that reaches heaven". The main thing is that in Mesopotamian cosmology the sky is vaulted in metal. Above the sky is the abyss (Hebrew) or Abzu (Sumerian) which surrounds all of the world and flows beneath the world (underworld) and from the bottom rises into the sea. So it doesn't make sense to me why these people, having just survived the flood would try to pierce that metal vault which would flood the earth again just to reach heaven which is passed the abyss.

I think what was made is some sort of portal. In Jewish literature angels were often described as stars. I wonder if someone asked an angel "where are you from" and they responded "see that star over there?". Maybe they thought they were the star? It also makes sense given the other religions of the areas belief that their gods were associated with planets and constellations. In Enoch some of the bad angels were bound in the Pleiades. So if Enoch is correct some of the preflood angels became bound in the heavens above and their stars are shimmering past the abzu like a coin underwater.

What they wanted to build was a holy mountain that accessed the abzu. If we look at "Enki and the New world order" we can see that these gods live in the abzu of space.
"The lord established a shrine, a holy shrine, whose interior is elaborately constructed. He established a shrine in the sea, a holy shrine, whose interior is elaborately constructed. The shrine, whose interior is a tangled thread, is beyond understanding. The shrine's emplacement is situated by the constellation the Field, the holy upper shrine's emplacement faces towards the Chariot constellation. Its terrifying awesomeness is a rising wave, its splendour is fearsome. The Anuna gods dare not approach it. ...... to refresh their hearts, the palace rejoices. The Anuna stand by with prayers and supplications. "

Then in Enmerker and the lord of Aratta we see Innana confirming to Enmerker (possibly nimrod candidate) that the holy mountain of his city will be built.
"The people of Aratta shall bring down the mountain stones from their mountains, and shall build the great shrine for you, and erect the great abode for you, will cause the great abode, the abode of the gods, to shine forth for you; will make your me flourish in Kulaba, will make the abzu grow for you like a holy mountain, will make Eridug shining for you like the mountain range, will cause the abzu shrine to shine forth for you like the glitter in the lode. When in the abzu you utter praise, when you bring the me from Eridug, when, in lordship, you are adorned with the crown like a purified shrine, when you place on your head the holy crown in Unug Kulaba, then may the ...... of the great shrine bring you into the jipar, and may the ...... of the jipar bring you into the great shrine. May the people marvel admiringly, and may Utu witness it in joy"

What is particularly interesting there is that the abzu grows for him, that could mean the waters of the earth rise but that wouldn't make sense in context because waters rising up like a mountain sounds like the flood all over again, and this is supposed to be blessing. Maybe it means the abzu reaches out to the holy mountain like it's forming a portal. It also says that when Enmerker is in his shrine he will be taken to the great shrine of Jipar, which is Inannas primordial shrine. And from the Jipar he will be taken back to the great shrine. It's sounds like two way travel! And if it's like the rest of the godly abodes it is in the abzu. So it is like there is some sort of portal. It also seems to be tied to the "me", because this doesn't happen until the "me" of Eridu into this new holy mountain. Perhaps that is the power source, or some essential part that allows the portal to open.

I almost forgot, one translation of Babylon is "gate of the gods". There really seems to be some strong evidence that it was some portal of sorts, and maybe they were trying to access or maybe even free the angels (gods) that were locked away after the flood.

The reason why I think it is Etana is that he is the only antedeluvian ruler to have the Dingir before his name which denotes him as a god. In the Sumerian king list he is "the shepherd, who ascended to heaven and consolidated all the foreign countries" In the bible he "began" to be a mighty one, and curiously he is not listed with the sons of Kush, but is introduced separately in the next line as begotten of Kush. In Hebrew there is no vowel letter U in the word Kush, which makes Kish a viable translation of KSH. Etana ruled in his fathers city of Kish. "Nimrod" (likely not the actual name but the title lord of marad) was a mighty hunter before the lord (should read against). There are ten kings (interesting given Revelation) that preceded Etana on the Sumerian king list and each one is the name of an animal or creature. The Sumerian king list is the only instance where these 10 kings are mentioned. In the legend of Etana, the city of Kish is built by the gods themselves and Etana is chosen as its ruler. He goes out to try to find the Plant of Birth which unlike Gilgamesh is not under the water abzu, but in the space abzu. He finds this eagle stripped of its wings and laying in a pit (a lot of symbolism there). He nurses it back to help and the eagle agrees to take him to the heavens to acquire the plant of birth. "Together they passed through the gates of Anu, Ellil, and Ea, and they made obeisance. Together they passed through the gates of Sin, Shamash, Adad, and Ishtar, and they made obeisance. They came to the throne of Ishtar, and she smiled upon them, and gave the plant of birth to Etana, and made known to him its use." So he is basically entering space here in perhaps the first recorded ufo ride.

So if nothing else this guy entered heaven, is a god or began to be a god, consolidated the nations, is a mighty hunter of men given creature names, or perhaps they are something unknown entirely, he is likely a son of Kush and rulling in the city of Kush.

Not sure what it means but the "field constellation" is the square shown above Pisces here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pegasus_IAU.svg). It is interesting that it is in the Pegasus galaxy because the story of Pegasus and the Islamic story of the buraq have similar veins to the legend of Etana. In the Greek myth the rider falls of the back of Pegasus, just as Etana did only in the Greek myth he dies and is given a place in heaven whereas in the Mesopotamian myth he enters heaven. It's similar to the Islamic Buraq as well as in Muhammad Night Journey in which Muhammad enters heaven on the Buraq and passes the exact number of gates as Etana.

Sansanoy
04-09-2016, 05:45 PM
Here (http://wind.caspercollege.edu/~marquard/astronomy/images/star_ch_med.jpg) is a constellation map. The shrine should be somewhere near the Pegasus square on the top left and in line with the Auriga constellation on the middle right. Normally one would build a physical temple below a constellation but if this is a physical temple it is not in line with any constellation, as the author in Enki and the new world order has to reference the temple by what its near and what it's facing, rather than what it is under. The author says its by the constellation the field, not below but near too, which makes me think what is translated as sea should be the primordial waters or space. It's literally by that constellation rather than under which would be surprising given the historical tendency to align a temple with a constellation. So it's some non-constellational point near Pegasus and in line with Auriga. It could be the set of 4 stars between Pegasus and Cygnus. I also wonder if "wandering stars" could mean constellation-less stars, which would reference the fallen angels.

Fore
04-10-2016, 05:44 AM
Here (http://wind.caspercollege.edu/~marquard/astronomy/images/star_ch_med.jpg) is a constellation map. The shrine should be somewhere near the Pegasus square on the top left and in line with the Auriga constellation on the middle right. Normally one would build a physical temple below a constellation but if this is a physical temple it is not in line with any constellation, as the author in Enki and the new world order has to reference the temple by what its near and what it's facing, rather than what it is under. The author says its by the constellation the field, not below but near too, which makes me think what is translated as sea should be the primordial waters or space. It's literally by that constellation rather than under which would be surprising given the historical tendency to align a temple with a constellation. So it's some non-constellational point near Pegasus and in line with Auriga. It could be the set of 4 stars between Pegasus and Cygnus. I also wonder if "wandering stars" could mean constellation-less stars, which would reference the fallen angels.


You know that is a creepy way of looking at the night sky. Putting on the mindset of those in the past who didn't know as much as we do is really interesting. At least some of them thought the bright lights in the sky were literally right "over there" and nearby. Can you imagine thinking that bright light is something like a being or whatever. Wow.

Yet, strangely at the same time, at least some of them knew of it in a more conventional sense. As in star travel or travel in the abyss.

Imagine that, a human being who has never actually left the ground and seen the earth from a great height having the imagination to realize that the stars are "somewhere else" in a large abyss.

Kinds of sparks the imagination as to what (or whom) they have seen or what they had seen for them to think up of a completely different and radical notion of the world. As "here" being the Earth and "those constellations" being another place in the heavens that is far from here.

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And even as I try to absorb everything you are sharing it also sparks a key question. What are these gates they keep referring to on their journey?

Even astronomers of today wouldn't really think of anything of gates as being related to star travel. (unless you are talking about some kind of wormhole or portal or gateway of some kind.

So there is that incongruity in what they saw. Unless they figured that being inside of some stellar craft is some kind of gateway itself??

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Another thing that tips the scales in my mind is why they keep calling these people as "mighty men". One would assume it means they were strong, and yet it almost seems to imply what makes them mighty are artifacts and extensions to their being.

Like the golden crown that is mentioned as being upon the persons head after their travel.

Is that what they refer to as "mighty"? And is that why they refer to the individuals as becoming "like the gods"?

Sansanoy
04-10-2016, 12:28 PM
The stars may be the physical proximity of a spiritual location as well. There is one gateway mentioned in the Bible "And he dreamed, and behold, there was a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven; and behold, the angels of God were ascending and descending on it!" God spoke to Jacob from the top of the ladder. They didn't believe God was in the sky but the high heaven far beyond it so this ladder reached farther than Jacob could see. Maybe it represents the speedily traveled distance between two points, high heaven and earth. But angels are spirits so maybe not a physical world gateway but a spiritual gateway.




So there is that incongruity in what they saw. Unless they figured that being inside of some stellar craft is some kind of gateway itself??



It does seem to reference some thing that takes Enmerker from the great shrine to the Jipar shrine and back. I guess if this is the earthly water it would be a boat, but if it's the waters above it would be different boat. In the translation the word for this craft if either missing or unknown but boat is known. "When you place on your head the holy crown in Unug Kulaba, then may the ...... of the great shrine bring you into the jipar, and may the ...... of the jipar bring you into the great shrine. But even so I kind of think all this is of a spiritual dimension rather than a physical one that would require a spacial worm hole. These types of temples or Tells are all over the place in the middle east, we have found Eridu and many other places so we should have found some sort of apparatus if it was physical. Though we have never found these "me"s given from the gods and they are suppose to be present in these shrines. The "me"s were both gifts of civilization as well as physical gifts that supposedly held some capacity or ability. If there was any apparatus or power capacity it would be the "me"s that are missing from archeology. But it could also be spiritual. When Paul relates the story of the person that was caught up to the third heaven he didn't know if he was caught up in the body or out of the body. So they may just be caught up to another place in the spirit.

In Judaism of the second temple era they believed in multiple heavens some believed in 3, some 7 some much much more. The guy in 2 Corinthians 12:2 that was caught up to the third heaven would have been caught up to the high heaven, but if he was caught up to the second heaven that would be somewhere between heaven and earth or basically where the planets are. Some people believed each of the visible planets were a separate heaven as well and if you look at the some of the old religions they viewed gods as associated with planets. When Etana enters heaven he passes through 7 gates which is exactly the same amount of visible "Planets" known to the old world. The Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. The idea of astral traveling to these planets or gates persists through the old world and into the spell books, religions, and denominational religions of the modern world. So maybe these accounts refer to the spiritual side of these physical bodies. Like the Arupa-Loka version of these places, the spiritual side of the physical plane. That is the way I take it all, that it is a gate way to a spiritual dimension that has some physical reference point.

I looked up wandering stars and it looks like these are simply the planets so I was definitely wrong about that.

epo333
04-10-2016, 01:56 PM
Another thing that tips the scales in my mind is why they keep calling these people as "mighty men". One would assume it means they were strong, and yet it almost seems to imply what makes them mighty are artifacts and extensions to their being.

Like the golden crown that is mentioned as being upon the persons head after their travel.

Is that what they refer to as "mighty"? And is that why they refer to the individuals as becoming "like the gods"?

Sounds a lot like a Halo. Which could be spiritual or a device...!

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Fore
04-10-2016, 07:26 PM
@ Epo

Actually I think (suspect) it may be natural.

I know though, the ET can induce augmented versions of that loop (halo) to be made to appear that way through technologies that the ET possess.
I assume there are more natural (fully developed) versions that are spiritual technologies which I know very little if anything about.

So that loop thing (even I have one) can be "natural" or developed "artificially".

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The point being, there are many ways to obtain "it" (that loop) and not necessarily through truly divine of supernatural means.

When I checked my family to see if I could find it (and not expecting to find it) I noticed they did have it. But it wasn't developed like mine. It was much more fragile and thin than mine. After messing around with theirs, theirs seemed to develop and they started to have psychic features.

Theirs was something like this (as a loop inside their cranium) in it's undeveloped state (many years ago):

http://media-us-west-motionelements.s3.amazonaws.com/m/s/223/2223908/a-0196.jpg

After I tried to mess with it, it seems that they started to experience psychic features and they had the headaches from it's activation.

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So I assumed at the time (and still do) that there is something in my influence that made their develop or there is some kind of replication code I am unaware of that makes it into their system and it auto-develops.

Testing the second hypothesis, I worked with individuals over the internet and tried to mess with theirs. They also seemed to develop the psychic features.

But then I was uncertain if these resulting developments were because some hidden device or process the ET implemented that is somehow....leap frogging from me to other individuals.

OR

If simply manipulating someone psychically has the ability to trigger it's development.

I am not too clear on it.

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Long ago, to try to resolve the question, I tried to see if interfacing two individuals at the higher mind level (upper loop) would also cause such developments to occur.

Confusingly, the results were inexact, it seems like they absorbed part of the information (I believe Pontif was among the last of the candidates to which I subjected that experiment). But at the same time they seemed to develop "intuitive knowledge" about subjects.

As if higher level loop communication, transference and interfacing did occur but seemed to require time. (Rough guess, about 3 or so months)

The results were unclear. It didn't resolve the question I had in mind and I eventually stopped psychic research in all subjects.

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Point being, I think that invisible psychic structures and higher loop features can be augmented artificially and supernaturally. I don't know or am unsure if all individuals have it by default though. It's hard to ask someone to stand still while you check their head. (:angel_not:)

It all comes down to a big question mark.

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By the way, notice I said "invisible structure", I assume it is because the intensity of the activity of that "loop" thing is too low to create visible interference with the surrounding environment.

At the level I ran it, I noticed that when you activate those structures into ~a ready and active state~ they generate noise in electronics and brown outs. As well as cause radio reception and TV reception to cut out. I am certain it has to do with "structured noise". I haven't ever tried to interfere with the dynamic physics behind something vulnerable and large like a sub-station to see what happens. (LOL, too bad I'll never get a chance)

I am pretty sure that if you turned it up a few notches it would start to create enough interference in "the influence" level of reality that physical properties of physical reality would become distorted. Probably distorted enough that all kinds of optical and physical phenomena would occur.

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But again, I should point out, it hasn't much to do with divinity if you see it coming from any ET. There is more than one way to cook an egg.

So just because "I claim" to have that structure doesn't mean I am in some way special or more perfect than a common hobo on the street.

If you see something spiritual with one of those things, and it is of God, then I would certainly say it is someone special.
If you see someone like an ET with one of those things, I would ask you to keep in mind that those things are probably mass manufactured.
If you see a human being with one of those things, and they aren't attached to God, I would ask that you inquire as to how they got it.
Chances are if they aren't with God, they got it from some ET through technology.
And while they might dazzle you with psychic features, it really ultimately means nothing.

How was it that Garuda once said?, "All that glitters is not Gold"

pontificator
04-13-2016, 12:29 PM
I've been busy attempting to do a Holy Spirit trade of the current loop for a more "augmented" natural one. A like for like as it were (I did ask gently, with the usual provision of it doesn't have to happen, and boy does it dive into action.) It appears to have occurred in a fashion... that particular force was very busy... the only problem is that the activation seems to go off at the oddest of times, and I'm still affected by phenomena that occurred before; so it seems to be loop+ edition, but with a far gentler activation pressure, and several things I'm not 100% familiar with.

So, today I started working on a piece of equipment while a class was still present, and while doing that suddenly I go through a gentle activation phase, which I'm pretty sure is caused by the presence of another PSI sensitive individual. However, to characterize the oddities I became aware of the area around me, as if it had been lit up, and the central forehead vent activated; I had this sense of light flowing/shining from it into the surrounding environment, and the dust particles passing though it. I know it wasn't light, but it certainly had to be similar to a form of very diffuse influence; sensing the dust particles in the air was... different, and the influence concerned might not have been diffuse, but it seemed that way.

To characterize it another way, the emitted influence was characteristically me, and I felt it all as though it were me; more like extending it as a form of limb, with all the sensory feedback you would expect if it were non-solid. Although it was in response to something I did not receive any feedback from that something, nor do I think I spotted it. I was a bit more concerned at sorting out the problem at hand, and getting the hell out of there before something went wrong.

I'll keep you appraised of what happens, it's all very experimental, and I suspect I'll need to relearn a few things. Not spotted an Angel to ask for comment yet, although there was an odd reaction somewhere when I pondered what would happen if I asked the Holy Spirit to "bless" an ET ship... I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Fore
04-13-2016, 07:49 PM
I dunno, all that I have noticed over the last week is someone keeps targeting me psychically. Keep getting activations that affect the forehead area ("third eye"). Keeping it under a tight lid. I am pretty sure it was a human being, but then yesterday and the day before that I started getting visited by some malevolent spiritual.

Some member who hasn't really posted seems to have noticed it as well and has left the forum.

We have an issue with a human being who is surrounded by (low grade) malevolent spiritual entities who keeps targeting individuals on this forum.

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Keep me appraised of your findings, as soon as you do, I'll let you in on some of the stuff I have found in the same vein as what you are doing. I don't want to contaminate your findings.

Also what does the "Holy Spirit" feel like to you when it is around. I am curious if we all sense it the same way or not.

Fore
04-13-2016, 07:50 PM
I'll keep you appraised of what happens, it's all very experimental, and I suspect I'll need to relearn a few things. Not spotted an Angel to ask for comment yet, although there was an odd reaction somewhere when I pondered what would happen if I asked the Holy Spirit to "bless" an ET ship... I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

A curious experiment worth trying. Definitely let me know what happens. Very curious.

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Curious link for you to read. Keep in mind, most of the UFO community considered this story debunked. Just how many details do you notice?

https://books.google.com/books?id=H9S6ITWKticC&pg=PT239&lpg=PT239&dq=samjase+hits+her+head&source=bl&ots=WRaHK7KZ6J&sig=TFX876bvr_vU-jUjTQZH8XRDWj0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjiwMPolozMAhUJt4MKHbvyCe0Q6AEIHTAA#v=on epage&q=samjase%20hits%20her%20head&f=false

Scroll back 1 page to catch the beginning of it.

Sansanoy
04-13-2016, 11:24 PM
I'll keep you appraised of what happens, it's all very experimental, and I suspect I'll need to relearn a few things. Not spotted an Angel to ask for comment yet, although there was an odd reaction somewhere when I pondered what would happen if I asked the Holy Spirit to "bless" an ET ship... I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Regarding the thought of having the Holy Spirit bless an ET ship I want to do a rapid thought experiment. I want you all to clear your mind and think and visualize something. Don't think about it, I just want your instinctive thought. Imagine you are outside and see a UFO hovering overhead. You pray for the Holy Spirit to come and bless the ship. As you do you see the Holy Spirit slowly move toward the hovering ship. You can watch this happen as your awareness is following right behind the Holy Spirit. You see the Holy Spirit enter the ship and begin to bless it. NOW think quickly at the moment the ship is blessed what is the first thing that happens in your imagination?




I can think of two things that could happen. One is not interesting and one is really interesting. The interesting thing would be if our first instinct is that the ship crashes immediately. (< Highlight) If that were true it may mean the ship is also a manifestation or at least not natural.

Did anyone imagine what I wrote in white?